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Nosferatu
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Introduction and Setup
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Kevin Dougherty
All right, welcome back to Fright Central where we talk all things horror. I'm Doc back here again with Keck as always. And how has your weeks been going by since our last cast?
00:00:32
Keck
Everything's great. I feel very strategic and focused and sober to- tonight
00:00:38
Kevin Dougherty
All right, that sounds great.
Nosferatu's Digital Release and Insidious Experience Issues
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Kevin Dougherty
Tonight we are going to talk about Nosferatu. Uh, since it's now available on digital and hopefully everybody's had a chance to, uh, watch it, especially before they come here.
00:00:52
Kevin Dougherty
Uh, but first I got some news for you. I don't know if I talked about the insidious live experience that was supposed to be going on tour. Uh, the reviews were so bad that it got canceled.
00:01:09
Keck
wait what it's not it got fucking cancelled yeah i'm aware this is because of budgetary restriction like something happened like the money people pulled out or
00:01:10
Kevin Dougherty
It was supposed to be like,
00:01:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it was supposed to be like a like a live theater, you know, play thing where I guess they were supposed to have like, where they're supposed to have like, you know, people scaring you in the audience and apparently like the reviews are just
00:01:34
Kevin Dougherty
and No, I mean, I guess like, I don't know, it just had hideous reviews. It was like promoted as like a groundbreaking, spine chilling live show. ah ah Not for people who are easily rattled. It's created to design to keep you on the edge of your seat. You the audience will play an integral character in a chilling story as it unravels live right before your eyes. It also promises goose bump inducing live show production elements.
00:01:57
Kevin Dougherty
will be on full display at Insidious to further your fear, including but not limited to cutting-edge special effects, strobe lights, fog costumes, hair, makeup, and much more.
Broadway Hits and Misses in Horror
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Kevin Dougherty
However, fans of costume hair and makeup expect an immersive live theater experience. Have your luck scratching their heads and airing their annoyance as the production quality in The Nature Show did not live up to the description.
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Kevin Dougherty
In a horror subreddit full of negative reactions to the the production, one user said there were no jump scares, no interaction, no real immersion.
00:02:24
Keck
Oh, I think that was it.
00:02:28
Kevin Dougherty
Production timing was off in at least three noticeable moments, and the production felt amateurish.
00:02:28
Keck
fish
00:02:34
Kevin Dougherty
It simply did not deliver on what was promised.
00:02:38
Kevin Dougherty
Another said this was my fire fest.
00:02:45
Keck
It sounds like, what was the name of that haunt that you went on that you shit on a couple years ago?
00:02:52
Kevin Dougherty
Oh the fucking one in the valley the venture of fair around Yeah Yeah, that's true that fucking haunt was my fire festival If I wasn't like stranded there
00:02:55
Keck
Oh god, yeah, kind exactly to insane it's like the same fucking reviews.
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Keck
thathow
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Keck
What a fucking nightmare
00:03:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that reminds me of like the they did like a Spiderman production on Broadway. And it it was like, turn off the lights or some shit like that it was supposed to be like a musical thing. And apparently it was like, it was just a disaster fucking production, like everything was going wrong. And that ended up like getting canceled as well. But Yeah, anyway, moving on. speaking But speaking of musicals, they're doing a Lost Boys musical coming to Broadway spring 2026.
00:03:50
Kevin Dougherty
So I mean, well, hopefully they, you know, do better than the fucking insidious one, I guess.
00:03:59
Kevin Dougherty
Because the only one that I haven't seen that I wanted to see was like the Evil Dead musical.
00:04:04
Kevin Dougherty
I missed that when it was around.
00:04:06
Keck
Evil dead on ice.
00:04:08
Kevin Dougherty
No, that'd be fucking great. But no, it's just called Evil Dead the Musical. And apparently it was really well done. And it got great reviews.
00:04:15
Keck
Everything is core on ice.
00:04:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it would be funnier if it was on ice.
Horror Movies in the Oscars Spotlight
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Kevin Dougherty
And then moving on from that, I do have piggybacking off of last week, where I think it was last week, or or whatever our last cast was when we were talking about the Emmy wins that, i you know, The Substance got, well, we have updates on the Oscar nominations and three horror movies all got a handful of Oscar nominations. Alien Romulus a is just just got one. And I believe it is for yeah best visual effects. It's competing against Better Man, Dune Part 2, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, and Wicked. So it's got some stiff competition there.
00:05:05
Kevin Dougherty
But I mean, I mean, I guess playing of the apes was probably the only other one that had like probably some practical effects in there. I would prefer an alien rhombus one because of the practical effects.
00:05:19
Kevin Dougherty
But moving on from that. The not the substance was nominated for best picture, best actress, best director, best original screenplay, and best makeup and hair styling.
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Keck
the
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Keck
fuck yes everything everything included yeah and these are nominations correct yes yeah
00:05:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And then, yeah.
00:05:42
Kevin Dougherty
The other nominations, yes, yeah, which is still huge. Yeah. Because not everyone gets nominated. I mean, you can submit to be, ah you know, you know, to, you know, ah appear for nomination, but it's still a process just to get nominated.
00:05:58
Keck
Hell yes. Yeah.
00:05:59
Kevin Dougherty
And then the
00:05:59
Keck
Yeah. No, that's definitely. And they deserve everything. I mean, if they clean up, I mean, fuck. Can you, I mean, I assume that they're gonna, for everything they got nominated for, I'm thinking that they're going to get at least 70% of the awards.
00:06:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I hope so. Like, I hope Demi Warwin's best actress, if if if they only end up with, like, you know, getting one or something like that.
00:06:33
Keck
it's just It's difficult because, I don't know, i they did such a great job of splitting the character.
00:06:42
Keck
It's so hard to know where Demi Moore ends, Margaret Coyle he begins, and vice versa. You know what I mean? it's like you know And that's the way it was supposed to be.
00:06:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, but unfortunately she didn't get nominated for it. I guess it would be best supporting or best co-star.
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Keck
Margaret Qualey didn't get anything?
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
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Kevin Dougherty
Now.
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Keck
She didn't get any notoriety from this?
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Kevin Dougherty
Now it's just Demi Moore, best actress.
00:07:10
Keck
No shit, and we talked about this I know in a cast, I don't know if it was our last, I think it was the cast before our last cast. And we, she got no notoriety from this. We didn't mention that, did we?
00:07:27
Kevin Dougherty
No, yeah, she didn't. I don't think she got nominated for any Oscar or any Emmys and she didn't get nominated for any Oscars. So, but I mean, she'll be all right.
00:07:36
Keck
So it was just Demi Moore.
00:07:37
Kevin Dougherty
She'll be fine.
00:07:38
Keck
Yeah, I know she'll be fine because she's like they portrayed her in the film as a young hot actress.
00:07:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:07:48
Keck
but she didn't get any notoriety from this. Like that's kind of hard for me to believe.
00:07:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:07:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Well.
00:07:55
Keck
Well, anyway, I don't want to go off on the sidebar.
00:07:58
Keck
Please continue.
Nosferatu's Oscar Nominations and Analysis
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Kevin Dougherty
Well, that brings me to the movie we are going to talk about tonight. Nosferatu, which got nominated for best cinematography, best production design, best makeup and hair styling, and best costume design.
00:08:14
Keck
but not best picture that's outrageous fucking bullshit
00:08:15
Kevin Dougherty
But not Best Picture. So it's only going up. So it's only going up against the substance in one category, best makeup and hairstyle.
00:08:25
Kevin Dougherty
So maybe like the nose for all two can win their categories and, uh, and the substance can win all theirs. That'd be huge.
00:08:33
Keck
I was going to say in the beginning of the cast, before we got any further into it, I was going to say that this is up for best picture.
00:08:34
Kevin Dougherty
And if they only run me, let's go.
00:08:46
Kevin Dougherty
But it's not.
00:08:46
Keck
I'm talking about the Academy Awards, are we talking about the same thing?
00:08:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yes.
00:08:53
Keck
It's not up for best picture.
00:08:55
Kevin Dougherty
No.
00:08:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, just best of photography. Ball and the other five, but yeah.
00:09:04
Keck
doc you're going to be the lead tonight take us home baby continue let's talk we have both had ample time to review this film we talked uh together about certain time points in the video certain scenes that both of us were passionate about why don't you i mean first i guess the thing i would say is that we are both in complete agreement that we uh tongue the assholes of the people that made this film because they did a fantastic job i am
00:09:55
Keck
beyond impressed with Nesteratu.
Review of Nosferatu - Performances and Production
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Keck
I have seen it five full times from beginning to end and analytically taking certain clips that I was interested interested in. I mean I've probably seen it about seven times. I'm Yeah, I'm at all with it. The performances by, first off, Johnny Depp's daughter, who I've never heard of. I locked up her...
00:10:33
Keck
filmography, if you will, on IMDb. She has not been in very much, a couple shorts. She's never been anything more than like a memorable character in some kind of like a minor, like lesser known films. And in this, she shows that she has a massive amount of talent she is gorgeous and uh, yeah, I mean Wow, what a what a fucking selection.
00:11:08
Keck
I mean what what a fucking performance by a new actress I Don't think it's necessary but we can yeah
00:11:15
Kevin Dougherty
Before we get into the movie itself, should we talk a little about about the history of Nosferatu the film?
00:11:24
Kevin Dougherty
Because some people might have just seen this movie and not know about the original 1922.
00:11:29
Keck
Then there are assholes that should get like swept up by the waves.
00:11:34
Kevin Dougherty
Hey man, it's always one person's entry point into horror movie. There's always going to be one movie, maybe this was that person's movie, into horror.
00:11:45
Keck
Now I must burn this town.
00:11:50
Kevin Dougherty
So if you haven't seen, I definitely highly recommend the original film, which was an unauthorized adaptation of Bram Stoker's Dracula.
00:11:53
Keck
and
00:12:00
Kevin Dougherty
And they were meant, they were told to burn all of the copies of the film in the lawsuit against it, but some were were survived. And then it was released again in the 60s and 70s.
00:12:13
Kevin Dougherty
Then in 79, the rights ran out and Werner Herzog a ah remake of it, but it he took the names from the original ah book, even though he still called it Nosferatu. And then finally, we get up to Eggers. theres There's been another adaptation that was, I guess, straight to video with ah Doug Jones' Nosferatu. And then there's the adaptation of the movie within the movie Shadow of the Vampire with John Malkovich and Willem Dafoe, who are
00:12:48
Kevin Dougherty
playing the characters who made the first movie in a fictional retelling of The Making of Nosferatu. And then Eggers, i this was originally, he said it was gonna be his second film. And then he, ah you know, was like, all right, maybe I'll hold back on of it, because it's a little pretentious for and and big and aitious for me to make this my second film. So then he went on to do two more films before coming back.
00:13:16
Kevin Dougherty
to this one. And yeah, I think it's phenomenal. And I think Eggers has yet to fucking miss. Like four fucking phenomenal films. If you haven't seen The Witch, The Northman, or The Lighthouse, ah go fucking watch those as well. And I believe we had talked about this at one point. I don't remember which film of his we had watched, but he was definitely going to be on our watch list for like, you know, upcoming, you know, best directors and stuff like that. Would you agree?
00:13:47
Keck
The lighthouse. It was fantastic. It had William Defoe in it. And it was the same William Defoe from the lighthouse. It was almost like a fucking, like, I don't know, hybrid character.
00:14:09
Keck
projecting him into this I thought it was great because he had the same like hysterical feel the same like miss like do you remember in the lighthouse where he was like masturbating to the mermaid or something like that like it was something majestic right
00:14:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:14:30
Keck
I felt like it was, he said like, yo, I want like you half or one third Van Helsing, like one
Nosferatu's Historical Context and Adaptations
00:14:40
Keck
third the like this, like new character that I'm forming for Nastroptu with your predecessor, who or not predecessor, your underling, who was Shivers. I love that guy, by the way, that played Shivers.
00:14:57
Kevin Dougherty
Sure. Which was the...
00:14:59
Keck
He was the doctor that recommended Defoe's character. who What was Defoe's actual character's name in Nes Ratu?
00:15:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:15:10
Kevin Dougherty
Ennus Frazu. Yes, I didn't look at the characters. Oh, it's Professor Van Frans.
00:15:13
Keck
because yeah
00:15:17
Keck
Yeah, ah ah he he's like the hybrid of like three different doctors from like three different you know, three different I don't know, folk or tales.
00:15:29
Keck
He also appears in consultation in films such as the Wolfman variants.
00:15:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:15:39
Keck
I mean, you know, there's been hundreds of the, you know what I mean?
00:15:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. Well, that's actually Eggers next movie is going to be a Wolfman film that takes place like, you know.
00:15:44
Keck
So yeah, I'm wondering if they're going to reference, you know, the same doctor.
00:15:55
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, that'd be sweet if the folks showed up in Wolfman as the same
00:15:59
Keck
Well, it's just he's often the name that is referenced in The One Believer of the Occult.
00:16:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:16:09
Keck
As you'll recall in Nusratu, he said, the first thing that we need to do in order to defeat these forces are to acknowledge the fact that they exist.
00:16:28
Keck
That's like the big like barrier in all of this. In all the films, in all of the lore, in all of the legends, and all of the things produced by Hollywood, the one thing that you know the prey often fall victim to is lack of vision.
00:16:49
Keck
and you know he always you know is like the breakthrough we need to say like you know these things do exist and then we can move forward to defeat them and uh
00:17:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, egger's Eggers attention to detail when i can because he comes from a production background like stage design, you know, that's like his background into film. So like his attention to detail when it comes to like the lore And like, you know, the customs of what was going on at that time and the, and the costumes and, and everything, like, it's just like, it's, it's, it's so amazing. Like, like you better win like best production design or something. Like everything felt like real and yet a little abstract and and weird at the same time, like, like, you know, in the homage to the original film as well. So.
00:17:45
Keck
Yes, yeah I'm just going to be butt hurt throughout the duration of this cast about the best picture not even been considering because I think that's absurd.
00:18:01
Keck
we talked about, uh, I had sent me some timestamps about like, uh, my thoughts throughout the film. And like, uh, I think I mentioned at about like 17 to 18 minutes in his, uh, Thomas's journey to Bohemia.
00:18:21
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I mean, right away, right off the bat, what we're you're missing the whole opening scene, which is like, right away, like pulls you in and grabs you like with her summoning the count to begin with.
00:18:33
Keck
Oh, ah ah yeah, I wasn't like talking about like the opening scene. I was talking about like more like the landscapes and cinematography, the picture, and like him leaving on his
Deep Dive into Nosferatu's Cinematography and Themes
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Keck
german journey to Bohemia.
00:18:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I thought you kind of wanted to talk.
00:18:52
Keck
I'm not talking about like just the single scene of her in a room like you know yeah I get like she's praying to a celestial god and everything I'm talking ah ah merely about scenery at this point yeah I'm i'm sorry you I'm not going like by the story yeah
00:19:08
Kevin Dougherty
You know, I just thought you wanted to kind of go.
00:19:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I kind of thought you wanted to go through the movie kind of in a sequential order.
00:19:16
Keck
i yeah I did want to do that but I was saying like my most notable scene because like I'm assuming anybody that would you know of the like five or six people that might listen to this regularly you know I was more talking about like the things that stuck out to me I'm assuming like if you're listening to this you know the premise you know that uh
00:19:19
Kevin Dougherty
And you kind of jumped ahead, that's me.
00:19:31
Kevin Dougherty
yeah You're it all.
00:19:45
Keck
You know, she kind of calls out too.
00:19:47
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, I wasn't gonna go into like the premise. I mean, yeah, at this point, you should have for you're watching this, you should see I'm just mean, like the way like at the whole beginning scene was shot with like the shadow coming in the curtains and everything like that.
00:20:00
Kevin Dougherty
And like, I don't know, I just thought it was an amazingly shot scene.
00:20:04
Keck
What? Are you saying that like she deserved it? like she was dressed that way like what you dress that way for in the middle of the night calling out to celestial spheres when you're dressed like that you're like the victim
00:20:09
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, she did she did did she
00:20:22
Kevin Dougherty
you be dress now She but she was subbing the subbing into subbing Yeah ah But yeah, I mean some of the the other things that I guess stood out if we're not gonna I mean because it's hard to go with scene to scene because like every scene was fucking kind of amazing and ah ah and like itself So
00:20:39
Keck
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it was tremendously done. The first thing like I said that stuck out to me was just about a little over 15 minutes. It's when her be true Thomas after he you know in all the stories Dracula you know all the count or lock he it's always Thomas and he's always trying to secure his position in a firm whether it's in England or in Germany where the you know well germ I mean Germany is where
00:21:21
Keck
the nineteen twenty nine nessvara to originally took place correct and a lot of the dot the rock all war takes place where he's going to a london so there there there slight discrepancies but it's basically the same thing somebody is transporting this like evil fucking bohemian count
00:21:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I believe all all the adaptations of Nosferatu have taken place in Germany. Dracula takes place in England. Yeah. Yes, yeah. yeah
00:21:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:21:49
Keck
from like the Romanian fucking Alps to a more civilized area where he's going to uh permeate the kind of like an Armageddon where the entire region falls there's
00:22:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:07
Keck
no one to bury the dead because like him and his minions have like sorted out and multiplied exponentially sort I mean that's pretty much the lore of it and only this one maiden who he is betrothed to and really a kind of a love story between the two of them because she did first invoke him
00:22:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:37
Keck
but at the same time she was sort of looking for a guardian, a friendly spirit and he sort of clanged on the her in a web of lies yet sort of a desperation because he wanted to love but was, as he says, cannot love but yet cannot be sated.
00:23:08
Keck
I but i think that's verbatim.
00:23:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yep, I believe that was verbatim, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, it's just, a I don't know, you you've pretty much hit the the nail on the head. Some of the the see other scenes that has stood out to me, oh
00:23:22
Keck
Well, what about the village scene that we both talked about?
00:23:26
Kevin Dougherty
yeah, yeah.
00:23:27
Keck
We're about 20 minutes in.
00:23:29
Kevin Dougherty
I thought I was gonna mention,
00:23:30
Keck
I got this Spaghetti Western vibe. What about you? Like how the whole village suddenly comes alive around him and he becomes familiar with, like, the customs that he takes to Orlok, who Orlok is not pumped about.
00:23:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. When he arrives into the town and like gets the night for the end and when they first like walks into the end and like everything's like smoky and fire and like dark and everyone's kind of just staring at him and shit and everything more cold.
00:24:05
Keck
Time freezes for him, right?
00:24:07
Kevin Dougherty
Pretty much. Yeah. and And then like when he
Impactful Scenes and Atmosphere in Nosferatu
00:24:12
Kevin Dougherty
takes takes to to bed, he, he oh you know, wakes and follows the villagers out to kill on their vampire hunt.
00:24:22
Kevin Dougherty
And then he wakes up, and he thinks it's a dream, but then he sees the muddy boots. And then when he walks out of town, everyone's gone.
00:24:27
Keck
His boots are muddy as fuck!
00:24:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and everyone's gone the next morning. And he has to fucking like walk up to the castle.
00:24:35
Keck
I had a question, um um your interpretation of that scene, now did the village get like cleaned out by Orlok or did they abandon the village because they knew that like he was like his vessel of sorts?
00:24:55
Keck
ah ah like Were they all dead and cleaned out or did they like basically like retreat in terror?
00:25:02
Kevin Dougherty
I think they...
00:25:03
Keck
That is one thing I wasn't sure of.
00:25:04
Kevin Dougherty
but how do they They were ah Romanian gypsies, I believe they even say it later on.
00:25:09
Keck
Yeah.
00:25:10
Kevin Dougherty
So like, they're always kind of on the move. So I took it as they had picked up and left because Dracula, I'm sorry, Nosferatu would have left all the bodies there if he was going to drain them.
00:25:13
Keck
get that is true
00:25:23
Kevin Dougherty
Because he like like that's his ah ah kind of his emo. He's not trying to hide his his death and destruction. So he would have woke up to a bunch of fucking dead animals and people if that was his goal.
00:25:34
Kevin Dougherty
But I believe they had fled and took everything with them.
00:25:36
Keck
what They also seem to have some kind of like ritualistic, um um because after that scene, it's Thomas and, oh god, there's some beautiful, I i mean, I don't know where they like shot that, I don't know if it was CGI.
00:25:56
Keck
but there's some beautiful background landscapes of mountains when he is traveling to where he's supposed to get transport from the Count's personal chauffeur to like basically his isolated castle in, I think it's Eastern Bohemia is what they describe it as.
00:26:25
Keck
There's a point where he's traversing the landscape and it's got a beautiful mountain in this background and he gets to a particular bridge and on one side of the bridge before he crosses, there's all these different like kind of ritualistic talism.
00:26:48
Keck
And you can tell, like for example, from like other ah Dracula tales, when Renfield is usually the one being transported, there's a barrier.
00:27:01
Keck
between like you know what is outside of the castle, purviewing commands, and like what is inside. And I always saw like him breaking that bridge as him basically abandoning the protections of like the priestesses who later heal him after he you know fleas from the castle the only way he knows how to which is like jumping from huge heights in all the stories and he somehow miraculously survives.
00:27:40
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
00:27:42
Keck
But inside the castle, the one scene that really stood out, I mean, I had texted you that I thought all the castle sequences were phenomenal.
00:27:56
Keck
But the one thing is when he cuts himself, because he's like basically a slave. Everything, like the count says, he basically does it robotically.
00:28:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:07
Keck
but when he slices himself accidentally and is told to wait by the fire. The actor's name for Thomas is Jason Tyler, correct?
00:28:20
Kevin Dougherty
No, for Thomas it's no Nicholas Hall.
00:28:23
Keck
Nicholas Holt. His facial expressions are fucking amazing. As, you know, the count rises up, who is one of the Starsguard actors, correct?
00:28:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's Bill who played, uh...
00:28:39
Keck
The same one that played Pennywise.
00:28:42
Kevin Dougherty
yep, correct.
00:28:43
Keck
same actor yeah i thought his facial expressions as the count says i will see to your wound like i thought that was fucking amazing because it's like he's transported from where he's sitting on the table to the fireplace like instantaneously and he sees the count arise and then approach him and he sees just the terror that he's like completely paralyzed to what's about to happen next. I thought that was fantastic.
00:29:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, even that, yeah, that whole sequence of him, like, you know, when he comes in, he's like, hands on the the piece of paper, and then like, he's on the other side of him suddenly.
00:29:24
Keck
i'm
00:29:32
Kevin Dougherty
And then he's like, then he's sitting down.
00:29:34
Keck
oh
00:29:35
Kevin Dougherty
So yeah, yeah, it was fan. that's fantastic well That That whole, that whole
00:29:38
Keck
i I mean everything in there. From when he later tries to hunt him down after recalling the ritual he saw in town and realizing he was a prisoner.
00:29:53
Kevin Dougherty
And then he finds the cow in the coffin and he gets out and you see that dead dick.
00:29:57
Keck
Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah yeah yep yep that happened that were like basically real and
00:30:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And he's being like fed on like the entire time, like each night and and it's just causing fucking like nightmares and shit like that.
Character Dynamics and Plot Influence in Nosferatu
00:30:18
Keck
the woman said you know you're lost in his shadow which is a concept
00:30:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:30:24
Keck
in all the tales of this disruptive Dracula that you become hypnotized and you kind of become a servant of them ah you know sometimes it's a long-term thing sometimes it's a short-term trance but either way it's usually ah fatal to the servant in the end and
00:30:51
Kevin Dougherty
like uh what's what was his name knocks knock the yeah oh dude his performance is fucking phenomenal throughout that fucking movie wow like from like the uh when he's first like you see him summoning him with the candles around him and he's fucking butt ass naked yeah and then later on
00:30:56
Keck
Yeah hair knocks hair knocks It was Invoking him yeah, I will invoke you that I master at the place of your Contract and then the whole place goes dark.
00:31:19
Kevin Dougherty
well
00:31:22
Keck
Yeah. Yeah
00:31:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:23
Keck
It was great. Sorry, I didn't mean to get that carried away.
00:31:24
Kevin Dougherty
They blow out everybody. Yeah, you blow out everybody's ears with that one.
00:31:29
Keck
Yeah, sorry, I got a little... okay.
00:31:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:31:32
Keck
I like the film.
00:31:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. and he And when he's in the fucking they go down to the dungeon to meet him and he bites the bird's head off and everything. Like every so every scene he was in is fucking like phenomenal.
00:31:45
Keck
And he says the key words in every movie, ah ah especially in the beginning of Bram Stoker's Dracula, the blood is the life.
00:31:58
Keck
That is what he says after he bites off the bird's head and after he eats out the porter guard's neck.
00:32:09
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah and then the dude's like and then later on uh who is it the foe is like where's your lunatic they're like uh yeah he's uh he's eating that dude neck and he bounced so we haven't found him oh that was
00:32:09
Keck
The blood is the life. and
00:32:19
Keck
yeah
00:32:27
Keck
yeah
00:32:32
Keck
Yeah, he wasn't that well secured.
00:32:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. then um and I guess we get guess right after that is up to the point where like, or the you get the giant fucking hand shadow like all the shadow movements and fucking shit like that were fucking phenomenal.
00:32:51
Kevin Dougherty
Like I've already said about like,
00:32:52
Keck
Oh yeah, where he seeks her out after he gets to, what was the name of the manor? shit i can't uh i can't recall the last voyage of what was it called the debt did that what was it did the meter yeah they actually made a film i don't i think it's available through hpo
00:33:01
Kevin Dougherty
The one that he bought, I don't remember. I mean, I did just skip over the whole boat sequence as well. I mean, it's not that long of a sequence. Demeter. The Demeter.
00:33:25
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's all one of those. It came out a couple of years ago, maybe. Maybe one or two years ago.
00:33:30
Keck
uh 2023 yes at the end of 2023 yes it does yeah it could have been a lot better if they had some more like known actors and well better writers i mean
00:33:31
Kevin Dougherty
that's yeah it was just about yes i think that kind of lacked that movie kind of lacks the whole plague aspect of it to me it did anyway it was kind of like it was kind of alien on a boat but like so it was cool but it was nothing like yeah i think it had the onion knife
00:34:00
Keck
yes the onion knight was the lead actor and yeah
00:34:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:34:05
Kevin Dougherty
But that was another thing I liked about the Nosferatu was, you know, the real world, you know, ah ah situations going on at the time with the plague and everything.
00:34:17
Kevin Dougherty
And like the fear, you know, the fear of rats and and stuff like that. So I always liked when he brings, you know, realness.
00:34:23
Keck
Well, rats at that time were the cause of the bubonic plague.
00:34:25
Kevin Dougherty
as well
00:34:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:34:29
Keck
And the thing is, is it depended upon what region like different ships could carry different regional rats that had been feeding on the dead of plague victims.
00:34:44
Keck
So like it was basically at that point, it was basically like eco terror. depending upon like you know if the ship that was to come to port was not like uh properly registered and they actually had like possible like contamination like it could spread and kill an entire fucking I mean yeah I mean it spread through I mean that's how it spread to like the United Kingdom well and although I guess it wasn't the United Kingdom or let's not split hairs like can get into a whole thing but you know so yeah I mean but that's in all
00:35:15
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:35:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. and Yeah.
00:35:33
Keck
the stories, whether it's going to Germany, the plague ship, or it's going to the UK.
00:35:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:43
Keck
It's basically the same story that he carries a plague that not only affects like a few people, but it starts affecting like the entire town.
00:35:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And that's what everyone blames it on, but it's actually like him feeding on people.
00:35:57
Keck
am Yeah.
00:36:00
Kevin Dougherty
And like, I like how instead of the but night biting on the neck, he bites on the chest.
00:36:01
Keck
Exactly.
00:36:06
Kevin Dougherty
So it looks more like a rat bite in a lot of ways too. So I thought that was a neat aspect. to
00:36:12
Keck
Yeah, ah ah yeah, he bit at the heart. it It was basically like directly in the heart.
00:36:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:18
Keck
I don't know why he would have done that because like you would think the artery in the neck like for humans. I mean, that would be the most direct thing, but I guess they were trying to go for like the original.
00:36:32
Keck
I don't know, like bite directly in the heart as more of like an intimate like for the love story because I mean that's what it was I mean she did whether whether she was like hypnotized or she obviously was kind of demonically hypnotized and kind of scored to a path phenomenal
00:36:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:36:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's a Gothic love story. Yeah.
00:36:56
Kevin Dougherty
Oh dude, her possession scenes, yeah, her possession scenes, when she's like horny, where she's horny for Dracula as I like to say it, like, and the doctor's like, uh, I'll give her, like, he was like, I need more ether.
Dark Themes and Emotional Depth in Nosferatu
00:37:13
Kevin Dougherty
They all increase the ether.
00:37:14
Keck
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00:37:16
Kevin Dougherty
is
00:37:22
Keck
I don't know. There's just so much to talk about. I had labeled it like pages of notes. But, you know, to be totally honest, to go through it so meticulously and so sequentially and to diagnose scene by scene would kind of be fucking boring.
00:37:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, I mean, they because it's like every fucking scene while it was fun.
00:37:49
Keck
But I mean, the scenes that you were talking about with the character who um iconically plays as Renfield in the Dracula story and Hernacht in Nosferatu I really loved all the dungeon sequences because Shivers, who is the head of the modern hospitals in Germany where this
00:38:19
Keck
a whole main story transpires. He's like, oh no, why would you put anybody in the fucking cellars?
00:38:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that's inhumane.
00:38:29
Keck
This is like a modern hospital.
00:38:30
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:38:32
Keck
He's like, dude, I saw this guy murder why fucking three goats with his bare hands.
00:38:42
Kevin Dougherty
and then eat them raw he that shit twice he says when he bites the bird's head off
00:38:42
Keck
and he was eating them all raw like raw and dude yeah dude it it was that was really fucking pumped i like that that i love this fucking like dungeon things like we said when he ripped that guy's neck out no it's just the blood it's just spewing his face he's like blood is the life
00:39:11
Kevin Dougherty
when he bursts the bites the bird's head off and it's still like squirting out of the fucking bird's neck and shit.
00:39:16
Keck
Yeah, and same thing with the guy's open neck hole.
00:39:17
Kevin Dougherty
and Yeah.
00:39:26
Keck
ah
00:39:27
Kevin Dougherty
was only a couple other scenes I wanted to talk about that I just thought kind of stood out to me was like when she's she's like is freaking out on a halt for signing that contract to like annul their marriage even though he like He didn't really know about it.
00:39:41
Kevin Dougherty
He was kind of tricked into it for like gold. And she starts getting all possessed. And then she was like, yeah he fucks me better.
00:39:47
Keck
Oh yeah, the of my forefathers. You must first be compensated. Yeah, for a bag of gold.
00:40:08
Keck
ah No, no, no! My Thomas went for a bag of God! That's what you're talking about, right?
00:40:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And she's flip she flips out on one of those. She's like, he can fuck me better or whatever than like they fuck right there. And then like he's he's there.
00:40:30
Keck
Okay, he's like, let him see upon our love!
00:40:35
Kevin Dougherty
please
00:40:36
Kevin Dougherty
but Yeah. She starts laughing at them like.
00:40:36
Keck
Yeah!
00:40:39
Keck
yeah yeah that pisses him off pretty bad but oh yeah it's eating her best friend yeah it's eating her everywhere and then eating her children
00:40:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:40:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And then when she gets when she rejects them and then like he like. the rat eating the fucking lady.
00:40:55
Kevin Dougherty
And then, yeah. And then, and then it kills. Well, yeah, then the, then those rats who kills both children and eats them.
00:41:07
Keck
little girls they were like six years old and they had been faring and getting fed to the monster
00:41:07
Kevin Dougherty
And then fucking, yeah.
00:41:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And then when, Aaron Taylor-Johnson, sorry, when he was the one watching out for his wife while he was gone. Once his like wife and children are dead, he just like loses it and goes to like her grave and like fucks her until he dies. And like they find him the next morning.
00:41:37
Keck
wait he's like penetrating her like i know he like hugs her and shit i didn't know he was having sex like i didn't know he is uh like practicing necrophilia i didn't know
00:41:40
Kevin Dougherty
Did he not like go to the grave and like pretty much they find her? like
00:41:48
Kevin Dougherty
Dude, it looks like when they found him, it looked like his pants were down.
00:41:59
Kevin Dougherty
The first part the first time I watched it, that's what I saw. i I was still taking notes when I watched it the second time. so But I think you should go to that scene.
00:42:07
Keck
Yeah, my I guess I missed that.
00:42:08
Kevin Dougherty
I'm pretty sure he was like yeah like because he was like kissing her and shit, right?
00:42:17
Keck
hanging I guess he was like holding her. I didn't know he was fucking her dead cold corpse.
00:42:27
Kevin Dougherty
I think he did.
00:42:27
Keck
like
00:42:28
Kevin Dougherty
Don't take my word for it though. You saw it more times than me.
00:42:33
Keck
Yeah, I must have missed that scene all four times. At any rate,
00:42:42
Kevin Dougherty
But then they go find him, burn it all down.
Final Thoughts on Nosferatu and Podcast Farewell
00:42:44
Kevin Dougherty
I thought that part was cool too. And then the end. Yeah.
00:42:46
Keck
I guess it doesn't matter either way.
00:42:50
Keck
He didn't help.
00:42:51
Kevin Dougherty
No. And then in the end, when the the final scene where she takes no straw to bed and fucks her tongue pretty much.
00:43:06
Keck
Sure, she's aware that, I mean, she's aware from talking to William Defoe's character there that it's going to be a sacrifice.
00:43:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:43:20
Keck
That she knows that, like, she's going to die.
00:43:20
Kevin Dougherty
she
00:43:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, she learns about the sunlight.
00:43:27
Keck
but at the same time yeah it's about the greater good like I know that if and because if she didn't didn't sacrifice the plague was going to encompass the land anyway and she was going to be the one that she felt invoked the plague and she would have been you know I guess
00:43:28
Kevin Dougherty
a Yeah.
00:43:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:43:54
Keck
involuntarily uh yeah the invoker of a curse that she didn't want to come upon the land you know i mean she knew that it was her responsibility and she took she took she took responsibility
00:44:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. you She was the one invoked it. Yeah, she was the one invoked and she had to finish it. Yeah.
00:44:19
Keck
yeah it was it was the only way because yeah i mean i i don't know exactly how they always like uh find this count that like you know awakens from pits of 100 years of darkness and despair but somehow fair maidens have this way yeah and
00:44:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it was a nice. Yeah.
00:44:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. You can get some beautiful woman calling out to you and you've been asleep for a while. You wake up horny. You wake up with that morning wood that he's trying to get rid of.
00:44:52
Keck
room
00:44:54
Keck
Well, he yeah I don't he didn't expect you fucking perverted asshole ruin He did not perceive love in that way and you know, it was more about It was more about an eternity of loneliness think about it a hell of seclusion to not have any comfort and to not have a love, to not have a friend, to basically live in total isolation, to be an incel for millions of years or something like that.
00:45:03
Kevin Dougherty
He had his dick out, man. No, he could have loved you.
00:45:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:45:33
Keck
You know, I mean i imagine that kind of decrepit torture that that would have on the psyche.
00:45:34
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:45:41
Keck
ah ah Would you do anything to be sated? from that fate like you know what I mean like no you wouldn't you would do anything to escape that no matter what it was so yeah I mean I thought it was fantastic I thought the performances were absolutely stellar from everyone involved I didn't think that there was I mean aside from like a random like you know uh addition
00:45:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:46:10
Keck
Like I didn't think there was a single character that came up too short. I thought every one was brilliant I can't speak highly enough about this for ought to Obviously, it's not for everyone.
00:46:26
Keck
There's going to be those that see and you know say oh, yeah, it's just not my type of horror flick and that's fine, but I
00:46:33
Kevin Dougherty
i mean they won't say that way but yeah
00:46:36
Keck
Yeah, say that way, but like, I mean, for those that are a fan of the genre, it's a must say.
00:46:37
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:46:46
Keck
And I mean, I think for anyone that would possibly come across the discourse of me and Doc here, I would find it very hard to believe that you would not enjoy this thoroughly.
00:46:57
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, they won't say it that way, but yeah.
00:47:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, my favorite just aspects of the film itself were definitely like everything from the costume to the music to the lighting because well even the lighting itself felt like it was coming from an actual like, you know, a candle or it was just coming from the fire. You know what I mean? It didn't seem like there was like extra light light it setting up. ah cinematography was fantastic.
00:47:30
Kevin Dougherty
the yeah Everybody's performance was great as well. And now that you've seen this, and since you hadn't seen it when we did our top 10, where would you put it in your top 10?
00:47:43
Keck
of 2024 number one.
00:47:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, because it did come out. So above the substance.
00:47:49
Keck
Yes.
00:47:50
Kevin Dougherty
OK. So I put it right below the substance for me. It is still like right there.
00:47:54
Keck
Number one, probably in the last few years.
00:48:03
Kevin Dougherty
Okay, I respect that. All right. Well, that's all we got for you today. Thanks for listening. And we will catch you next time. Follow us on all the social medias and peace out.