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Kevin Dougherty: All right, welcome back to Fright Central where we talk all things horror. I'm Doc back here again with Keck as always. And how has your weeks been going by since our last cast?
Keck: Everything's great. I feel very strategic and focused and sober to- tonight
Kevin Dougherty: All right, that sounds great. Tonight we are going to talk about Nosferatu. Uh, since it's now available on digital and hopefully everybody's had a chance to, uh, watch it, especially before they come here.
Kevin Dougherty: Uh, but first I got some news for you. I don't know if I talked about the insidious live experience that was supposed to be going on tour. Uh, the reviews were so bad that it got canceled.
Keck: wait what it's not it got fucking cancelled yeah i'm aware this is because of budgetary restriction like something happened like the money people pulled out or
Kevin Dougherty: It was supposed to be like,
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, it was supposed to be like a like a live theater, you know, play thing where I guess they were supposed to have like, where they're supposed to have like, you know, people scaring you in the audience and apparently like the reviews are just
Kevin Dougherty: and No, I mean, I guess like, I don't know, it just had hideous reviews. It was like promoted as like a groundbreaking, spine chilling live show. ah ah Not for people who are easily rattled. It's created to design to keep you on the edge of your seat. You the audience will play an integral character in a chilling story as it unravels live right before your eyes. It also promises goose bump inducing live show production elements.
Kevin Dougherty: will be on full display at Insidious to further your fear, including but not limited to cutting -edge special effects, strobe lights, fog costumes, hair, makeup, and much more. However, fans of costume hair and makeup expect an immersive live theater experience. Have your luck scratching their heads and airing their annoyance as the production quality in The Nature Show did not live up to the description.
Kevin Dougherty: In a horror subreddit full of negative reactions to the the production, one user said there were no jump scares, no interaction, no real immersion.
Keck: Oh, I think that was it.
Kevin Dougherty: Production timing was off in at least three noticeable moments, and the production felt amateurish.
Keck: fish
Kevin Dougherty: It simply did not deliver on what was promised.
Kevin Dougherty: Another said this was my fire fest.
Keck: It sounds like, what was the name of that haunt that you went on that you shit on a couple years ago?
Kevin Dougherty: Oh the fucking one in the valley the venture of fair around Yeah Yeah, that's true that fucking haunt was my fire festival If I wasn't like stranded there
Keck: Oh god, yeah, kind exactly to insane it's like the same fucking reviews.
Keck: thathow
Keck: What a fucking nightmare
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, that reminds me of like the they did like a Spiderman production on Broadway. And it it was like, turn off the lights or some shit like that it was supposed to be like a musical thing. And apparently it was like, it was just a disaster fucking production, like everything was going wrong. And that ended up like getting canceled as well. But Yeah, anyway, moving on. speaking But speaking of musicals, they're doing a Lost Boys musical coming to Broadway spring 2026.
Kevin Dougherty: So I mean, well, hopefully they, you know, do better than the fucking insidious one, I guess.
Kevin Dougherty: Because the only one that I haven't seen that I wanted to see was like the Evil Dead musical.
Kevin Dougherty: I missed that when it was around.
Keck: Evil dead on ice.
Kevin Dougherty: No, that'd be fucking great. But no, it's just called Evil Dead the Musical. And apparently it was really well done. And it got great reviews.
Keck: Everything is core on ice.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, it would be funnier if it was on ice. And then moving on from that, I do have piggybacking off of last week, where I think it was last week, or or whatever our last cast was when we were talking about the Emmy wins that, i you know, The Substance got, well, we have updates on the Oscar nominations and three horror movies all got a handful of Oscar nominations. Alien Romulus a is just just got one. And I believe it is for yeah best visual effects. It's competing against Better Man, Dune Part 2, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, and Wicked. So it's got some stiff competition there.
Kevin Dougherty: But I mean, I mean, I guess playing of the apes was probably the only other one that had like probably some practical effects in there. I would prefer an alien rhombus one because of the practical effects.
Kevin Dougherty: But moving on from that. The not the substance was nominated for best picture, best actress, best director, best original screenplay, and best makeup and hair styling.
Keck: the
Keck: fuck yes everything everything included yeah and these are nominations correct yes yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. And then, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: The other nominations, yes, yeah, which is still huge. Yeah. Because not everyone gets nominated. I mean, you can submit to be, ah you know, you know, to, you know, ah appear for nomination, but it's still a process just to get nominated.
Keck: Hell yes. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And then the
Keck: Yeah. No, that's definitely. And they deserve everything. I mean, if they clean up, I mean, fuck. Can you, I mean, I assume that they're gonna, for everything they got nominated for, I'm thinking that they're going to get at least 70 % of the awards.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I hope so. Like, I hope Demi Warwin's best actress, if if if they only end up with, like, you know, getting one or something like that.
Keck: it's just It's difficult because, I don't know, i they did such a great job of splitting the character.
Keck: It's so hard to know where Demi Moore ends, Margaret Coyle he begins, and vice versa. You know what I mean? it's like you know And that's the way it was supposed to be.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, but unfortunately she didn't get nominated for it. I guess it would be best supporting or best co -star.
Keck: Margaret Qualey didn't get anything?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: She didn't get any notoriety from this?
Kevin Dougherty: Now.
Kevin Dougherty: Now it's just Demi Moore, best actress.
Keck: No shit, and we talked about this I know in a cast, I don't know if it was our last, I think it was the cast before our last cast. And we, she got no notoriety from this. We didn't mention that, did we?
Kevin Dougherty: No, yeah, she didn't. I don't think she got nominated for any Oscar or any Emmys and she didn't get nominated for any Oscars. So, but I mean, she'll be all right.
Keck: So it was just Demi Moore.
Kevin Dougherty: She'll be fine.
Keck: Yeah, I know she'll be fine because she's like they portrayed her in the film as a young hot actress.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: but she didn't get any notoriety from this. Like that's kind of hard for me to believe.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Well, anyway, I don't want to go off on the sidebar.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Well.
Keck: Please continue.
Kevin Dougherty: Well, that brings me to the movie we are going to talk about tonight. Nosferatu, which got nominated for best cinematography, best production design, best makeup and hair styling, and best costume design.
Keck: but not best picture that's outrageous fucking bullshit
Kevin Dougherty: But not Best Picture. So it's only going up. So it's only going up against the substance in one category, best makeup and hairstyle.
Kevin Dougherty: So maybe like the nose for all two can win their categories and, uh, and the substance can win all theirs. That'd be huge.
Keck: I was going to say in the beginning of the cast, before we got any further into it, I was going to say that this is up for best picture.
Kevin Dougherty: And if they only run me, let's go.
Kevin Dougherty: But it's not.
Keck: I'm talking about the Academy Awards, are we talking about the same thing?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yes.
Keck: It's not up for best picture.
Kevin Dougherty: No.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, just best of photography. Ball and the other five, but yeah.
Keck: doc you're going to be the lead tonight take us home baby continue let's talk we have both had ample time to review this film we talked uh together about certain time points in the video certain scenes that both of us were passionate about why don't you i mean first i guess the thing i would say is that we are both in complete agreement that we uh tongue the assholes of the people that made this film because they did a fantastic job i am
Keck: beyond impressed with Nesteratu. I have seen it five full times from beginning to end and analytically taking certain clips that I was interested interested in. I mean I've probably seen it about seven times. I'm Yeah, I'm at all with it. The performances by, first off, Johnny Depp's daughter, who I've never heard of. I locked up her...
Keck: filmography, if you will, on IMDb. She has not been in very much, a couple shorts. She's never been anything more than like a memorable character in some kind of like a minor, like lesser known films. And in this, she shows that she has a massive amount of talent she is gorgeous and uh, yeah, I mean Wow, what a what a fucking selection.
Keck: I mean what what a fucking performance by a new actress I Don't think it's necessary but we can yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Before we get into the movie itself, should we talk a little about about the history of Nosferatu the film?
Kevin Dougherty: Because some people might have just seen this movie and not know about the original 1922.
Keck: Then there are assholes that should get like swept up by the waves.
Kevin Dougherty: Hey man, it's always one person's entry point into horror movie. There's always going to be one movie, maybe this was that person's movie, into horror.
Keck: Now I must burn this town.
Kevin Dougherty: So if you haven't seen, I definitely highly recommend the original film, which was an unauthorized adaptation of Bram Stoker's Dracula.
Keck: and
Kevin Dougherty: And they were meant, they were told to burn all of the copies of the film in the lawsuit against it, but some were were survived. And then it was released again in the 60s and 70s.
Kevin Dougherty: Then in 79, the rights ran out and Werner Herzog a ah remake of it, but it he took the names from the original ah book, even though he still called it Nosferatu. And then finally, we get up to Eggers. theres There's been another adaptation that was, I guess, straight to video with ah Doug Jones' Nosferatu. And then there's the adaptation of the movie within the movie Shadow of the Vampire with John Malkovich and Willem Dafoe, who are
Kevin Dougherty: playing the characters who made the first movie in a fictional retelling of The Making of Nosferatu. And then Eggers, i this was originally, he said it was gonna be his second film. And then he, ah you know, was like, all right, maybe I'll hold back on of it, because it's a little pretentious for and and big and aitious for me to make this my second film. So then he went on to do two more films before coming back.
Kevin Dougherty: to this one. And yeah, I think it's phenomenal. And I think Eggers has yet to fucking miss. Like four fucking phenomenal films. If you haven't seen The Witch, The Northman, or The Lighthouse, ah go fucking watch those as well. And I believe we had talked about this at one point. I don't remember which film of his we had watched, but he was definitely going to be on our watch list for like, you know, upcoming, you know, best directors and stuff like that. Would you agree?
Keck: The lighthouse. It was fantastic. It had William Defoe in it. And it was the same William Defoe from the lighthouse. It was almost like a fucking, like, I don't know, hybrid character.
Keck: projecting him into this I thought it was great because he had the same like hysterical feel the same like miss like do you remember in the lighthouse where he was like masturbating to the mermaid or something like that like it was something majestic right
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Keck: I felt like it was, he said like, yo, I want like you half or one third Van Helsing, like one third the like this, like new character that I'm forming for Nastroptu with your predecessor, who or not predecessor, your underling, who was Shivers. I love that guy, by the way, that played Shivers.
Kevin Dougherty: Sure. Which was the...
Keck: He was the doctor that recommended Defoe's character. who What was Defoe's actual character's name in Nes Ratu?
Kevin Dougherty: Yes.
Kevin Dougherty: Ennus Frazu. Yes, I didn't look at the characters. Oh, it's Professor Van Frans.
Keck: because yeah
Keck: Yeah, ah ah he he's like the hybrid of like three different doctors from like three different you know, three different I don't know, folk or tales.
Keck: He also appears in consultation in films such as the Wolfman variants.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: I mean, you know, there's been hundreds of the, you know what I mean?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah. Well, that's actually Eggers next movie is going to be a Wolfman film that takes place like, you know.
Keck: So yeah, I'm wondering if they're going to reference, you know, the same doctor.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, that'd be sweet if the folks showed up in Wolfman as the same
Keck: Well, it's just he's often the name that is referenced in The One Believer of the Occult.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: As you'll recall in Nusratu, he said, the first thing that we need to do in order to defeat these forces are to acknowledge the fact that they exist.
Keck: That's like the big like barrier in all of this. In all the films, in all of the lore, in all of the legends, and all of the things produced by Hollywood, the one thing that you know the prey often fall victim to is lack of vision.
Keck: and you know he always you know is like the breakthrough we need to say like you know these things do exist and then we can move forward to defeat them and uh
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, egger's Eggers attention to detail when i can because he comes from a production background like stage design, you know, that's like his background into film. So like his attention to detail when it comes to like the lore And like, you know, the customs of what was going on at that time and the, and the costumes and, and everything, like, it's just like, it's, it's, it's so amazing. Like, like you better win like best production design or something. Like everything felt like real and yet a little abstract and and weird at the same time, like, like, you know, in the homage to the original film as well. So.
Keck: Yes, yeah I'm just going to be butt hurt throughout the duration of this cast about the best picture not even been considering because I think that's absurd.
Keck: we talked about, uh, I had sent me some timestamps about like, uh, my thoughts throughout the film. And like, uh, I think I mentioned at about like 17 to 18 minutes in his, uh, Thomas's journey to Bohemia.
Kevin Dougherty: Well, I mean, right away, right off the bat, what we're you're missing the whole opening scene, which is like, right away, like pulls you in and grabs you like with her summoning the count to begin with.
Keck: Oh, ah ah yeah, I wasn't like talking about like the opening scene. I was talking about like more like the landscapes and cinematography, the picture, and like him leaving on his german journey to Bohemia.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I thought you kind of wanted to talk.
Keck: I'm not talking about like just the single scene of her in a room like you know yeah I get like she's praying to a celestial god and everything I'm talking ah ah merely about scenery at this point yeah I'm i'm sorry you I'm not going like by the story yeah
Kevin Dougherty: You know, I just thought you wanted to kind of go.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I kind of thought you wanted to go through the movie kind of in a sequential order.
Keck: i yeah I did want to do that but I was saying like my most notable scene because like I'm assuming anybody that would you know of the like five or six people that might listen to this regularly you know I was more talking about like the things that stuck out to me I'm assuming like if you're listening to this you know the premise you know that uh
Kevin Dougherty: And you kind of jumped ahead, that's me.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah You're it all.
Keck: You know, she kind of calls out too.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, I wasn't gonna go into like the premise. I mean, yeah, at this point, you should have for you're watching this, you should see I'm just mean, like the way like at the whole beginning scene was shot with like the shadow coming in the curtains and everything like that.
Kevin Dougherty: And like, I don't know, I just thought it was an amazingly shot scene.
Keck: What? Are you saying that like she deserved it? like she was dressed that way like what you dress that way for in the middle of the night calling out to celestial spheres when you're dressed like that you're like the victim
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, she did she did did she
Kevin Dougherty: you be dress now She but she was subbing the subbing into subbing Yeah ah But yeah, I mean some of the the other things that I guess stood out if we're not gonna I mean because it's hard to go with scene to scene because like every scene was fucking kind of amazing and ah ah and like itself So
Keck: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it was tremendously done. The first thing like I said that stuck out to me was just about a little over 15 minutes. It's when her be true Thomas after he you know in all the stories Dracula you know all the count or lock he it's always Thomas and he's always trying to secure his position in a firm whether it's in England or in Germany where the you know well germ I mean Germany is where
Keck: the nineteen twenty nine nessvara to originally took place correct and a lot of the dot the rock all war takes place where he's going to a london so there there there slight discrepancies but it's basically the same thing somebody is transporting this like evil fucking bohemian count
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I believe all all the adaptations of Nosferatu have taken place in Germany. Dracula takes place in England. Yeah. Yes, yeah. yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: from like the Romanian fucking Alps to a more civilized area where he's going to uh permeate the kind of like an Armageddon where the entire region falls there's
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: no one to bury the dead because like him and his minions have like sorted out and multiplied exponentially sort I mean that's pretty much the lore of it and only this one maiden who he is betrothed to and really a kind of a love story between the two of them because she did first invoke him
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: but at the same time she was sort of looking for a guardian, a friendly spirit and he sort of clanged on the her in a web of lies yet sort of a desperation because he wanted to love but was, as he says, cannot love but yet cannot be sated.
Keck: I but i think that's verbatim.
Kevin Dougherty: Yep, I believe that was verbatim, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, it's just, a I don't know, you you've pretty much hit the the nail on the head. Some of the the see other scenes that has stood out to me, oh
Keck: Well, what about the village scene that we both talked about?
Kevin Dougherty: yeah, yeah.
Keck: We're about 20 minutes in.
Kevin Dougherty: I thought I was gonna mention,
Keck: I got this Spaghetti Western vibe. What about you? Like how the whole village suddenly comes alive around him and he becomes familiar with, like, the customs that he takes to Orlok, who Orlok is not pumped about.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah. When he arrives into the town and like gets the night for the end and when they first like walks into the end and like everything's like smoky and fire and like dark and everyone's kind of just staring at him and shit and everything more cold.
Keck: Time freezes for him, right?
Kevin Dougherty: Pretty much. Yeah. and And then like when he takes takes to to bed, he, he oh you know, wakes and follows the villagers out to kill on their vampire hunt.
Kevin Dougherty: And then he wakes up, and he thinks it's a dream, but then he sees the muddy boots. And then when he walks out of town, everyone's gone.
Keck: His boots are muddy as fuck!
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, and everyone's gone the next morning. And he has to fucking like walk up to the castle.
Keck: I had a question, um um your interpretation of that scene, now did the village get like cleaned out by Orlok or did they abandon the village because they knew that like he was like his vessel of sorts?
Keck: ah ah like Were they all dead and cleaned out or did they like basically like retreat in terror?
Kevin Dougherty: I think they...
Keck: That is one thing I wasn't sure of.
Kevin Dougherty: but how do they They were ah Romanian gypsies, I believe they even say it later on.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: So like, they're always kind of on the move. So I took it as they had picked up and left because Dracula, I'm sorry, Nosferatu would have left all the bodies there if he was going to drain them.
Keck: get that is true
Kevin Dougherty: Because he like like that's his ah ah kind of his emo. He's not trying to hide his his death and destruction. So he would have woke up to a bunch of fucking dead animals and people if that was his goal.
Kevin Dougherty: But I believe they had fled and took everything with them.
Keck: what They also seem to have some kind of like ritualistic, um um because after that scene, it's Thomas and, oh god, there's some beautiful, I i mean, I don't know where they like shot that, I don't know if it was CGI.
Keck: but there's some beautiful background landscapes of mountains when he is traveling to where he's supposed to get transport from the Count's personal chauffeur to like basically his isolated castle in, I think it's Eastern Bohemia is what they describe it as.
Keck: There's a point where he's traversing the landscape and it's got a beautiful mountain in this background and he gets to a particular bridge and on one side of the bridge before he crosses, there's all these different like kind of ritualistic talism.
Keck: And you can tell, like for example, from like other ah Dracula tales, when Renfield is usually the one being transported, there's a barrier.
Keck: between like you know what is outside of the castle, purviewing commands, and like what is inside. And I always saw like him breaking that bridge as him basically abandoning the protections of like the priestesses who later heal him after he you know fleas from the castle the only way he knows how to which is like jumping from huge heights in all the stories and he somehow miraculously survives.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah yeah
Keck: But inside the castle, the one scene that really stood out, I mean, I had texted you that I thought all the castle sequences were phenomenal.
Keck: But the one thing is when he cuts himself, because he's like basically a slave. Everything, like the count says, he basically does it robotically.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Keck: but when he slices himself accidentally and is told to wait by the fire. The actor's name for Thomas is Jason Tyler, correct?
Kevin Dougherty: No, for Thomas it's no Nicholas Hall.
Keck: Nicholas Holt. His facial expressions are fucking amazing. As, you know, the count rises up, who is one of the Starsguard actors, correct?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, it's Bill who played, uh...
Keck: The same one that played Pennywise.
Kevin Dougherty: yep, correct.
Keck: same actor yeah i thought his facial expressions as the count says i will see to your wound like i thought that was fucking amazing because it's like he's transported from where he's sitting on the table to the fireplace like instantaneously and he sees the count arise and then approach him and he sees just the terror that he's like completely paralyzed to what's about to happen next. I thought that was fantastic.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, even that, yeah, that whole sequence of him, like, you know, when he comes in, he's like, hands on the the piece of paper, and then like, he's on the other side of him suddenly.
Keck: i'm
Kevin Dougherty: And then he's like, then he's sitting down.
Keck: oh
Kevin Dougherty: So yeah, yeah, it was fan. that's fantastic well That That whole, that whole
Keck: i I mean everything in there. From when he later tries to hunt him down after recalling the ritual he saw in town and realizing he was a prisoner.
Kevin Dougherty: And then he finds the cow in the coffin and he gets out and you see that dead dick.
Keck: Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah yeah yep yep that happened that were like basically real and the woman said you know you're lost in his shadow which is a concept
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. And he's being like fed on like the entire time, like each night and and it's just causing fucking like nightmares and shit like that. Yeah.
Keck: in all the tales of this disruptive Dracula that you become hypnotized and you kind of become a servant of them ah you know sometimes it's a long -term thing sometimes it's a short -term trance but either way it's usually ah fatal to the servant in the end and
Kevin Dougherty: like uh what's what was his name knocks knock the yeah oh dude his performance is fucking phenomenal throughout that fucking movie wow like from like the uh when he's first like you see him summoning him with the candles around him and he's fucking butt ass naked yeah and then later on
Keck: Yeah hair knocks hair knocks It was Invoking him yeah, I will invoke you that I master at the place of your Contract and then the whole place goes dark.
Kevin Dougherty: well
Keck: Yeah. Yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Keck: It was great. Sorry, I didn't mean to get that carried away.
Kevin Dougherty: They blow out everybody. Yeah, you blow out everybody's ears with that one.
Keck: Yeah, sorry, I got a little... okay.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: I like the film.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. and he And when he's in the fucking they go down to the dungeon to meet him and he bites the bird's head off and everything. Like every so every scene he was in is fucking like phenomenal.
Keck: And he says the key words in every movie, ah ah especially in the beginning of Bram Stoker's Dracula, the blood is the life.
Keck: That is what he says after he bites off the bird's head and after he eats out the porter guard's neck.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah yeah and then the dude's like and then later on uh who is it the foe is like where's your lunatic they're like uh yeah he's uh he's eating that dude neck and he bounced so we haven't found him oh that was
Keck: The blood is the life. and
Keck: yeah
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Keck: Yeah, he wasn't that well secured.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. then um and I guess we get guess right after that is up to the point where like, or the you get the giant fucking hand shadow like all the shadow movements and fucking shit like that were fucking phenomenal.
Kevin Dougherty: Like I've already said about like,
Keck: Oh yeah, where he seeks her out after he gets to, what was the name of the manor? shit i can't uh i can't recall the last voyage of what was it called the debt did that what was it did the meter yeah they actually made a film i don't i think it's available through hpo
Kevin Dougherty: The one that he bought, I don't remember. I mean, I did just skip over the whole boat sequence as well. I mean, it's not that long of a sequence. Demeter. The Demeter.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, it's all one of those. It came out a couple of years ago, maybe. Maybe one or two years ago.
Keck: uh 2023 yes at the end of 2023 yes it does yeah it could have been a lot better if they had some more like known actors and well better writers i mean
Kevin Dougherty: that's yeah it was just about yes i think that kind of lacked that movie kind of lacks the whole plague aspect of it to me it did anyway it was kind of like it was kind of alien on a boat but like so it was cool but it was nothing like yeah i think it had the onion knife
Keck: yes the onion knight was the lead actor and yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: But that was another thing I liked about the Nosferatu was, you know, the real world, you know, ah ah situations going on at the time with the plague and everything.
Kevin Dougherty: And like the fear, you know, the fear of rats and and stuff like that. So I always liked when he brings, you know, realness.
Keck: Well, rats at that time were the cause of the bubonic plague.
Kevin Dougherty: as well
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: And the thing is, is it depended upon what region like different ships could carry different regional rats that had been feeding on the dead of plague victims.
Keck: So like it was basically at that point, it was basically like eco terror. depending upon like you know if the ship that was to come to port was not like uh properly registered and they actually had like possible like contamination like it could spread and kill an entire fucking I mean yeah I mean it spread through I mean that's how it spread to like the United Kingdom well and although I guess it wasn't the United Kingdom or let's not split hairs like can get into a whole thing but you know so yeah I mean but that's in all
Kevin Dougherty: but
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. and Yeah.
Keck: the stories, whether it's going to Germany, the plague ship, or it's going to the UK.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Keck: It's basically the same story that he carries a plague that not only affects like a few people, but it starts affecting like the entire town.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. And that's what everyone blames it on, but it's actually like him feeding on people.
Keck: am Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And like, I like how instead of the but night biting on the neck, he bites on the chest.
Keck: Exactly.
Kevin Dougherty: So it looks more like a rat bite in a lot of ways too. So I thought that was a neat aspect. to
Keck: Yeah, ah ah yeah, he bit at the heart. it It was basically like directly in the heart.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Keck: I don't know why he would have done that because like you would think the artery in the neck like for humans. I mean, that would be the most direct thing, but I guess they were trying to go for like the original.
Keck: I don't know, like bite directly in the heart as more of like an intimate like for the love story because I mean that's what it was I mean she did whether whether she was like hypnotized or she obviously was kind of demonically hypnotized and kind of scored to a path phenomenal
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, it's a Gothic love story. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh dude, her possession scenes, yeah, her possession scenes, when she's like horny, where she's horny for Dracula as I like to say it, like, and the doctor's like, uh, I'll give her, like, he was like, I need more ether.
Kevin Dougherty: They all increase the ether.
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Kevin Dougherty: is
Keck: I don't know. There's just so much to talk about. I had labeled it like pages of notes. But, you know, to be totally honest, to go through it so meticulously and so sequentially and to diagnose scene by scene would kind of be fucking boring.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah, I mean, they because it's like every fucking scene while it was fun.
Keck: But I mean, the scenes that you were talking about with the character who um iconically plays as Renfield in the Dracula story and Hernacht in Nosferatu I really loved all the dungeon sequences because Shivers, who is the head of the modern hospitals in Germany where this
Keck: a whole main story transpires. He's like, oh no, why would you put anybody in the fucking cellars?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, that's inhumane.
Keck: This is like a modern hospital.
Kevin Dougherty: and
Keck: He's like, dude, I saw this guy murder why fucking three goats with his bare hands.
Kevin Dougherty: and then eat them raw he that shit twice he says when he bites the bird's head off
Keck: and he was eating them all raw like raw and dude yeah dude it it was that was really fucking pumped i like that that i love this fucking like dungeon things like we said when he ripped that guy's neck out no it's just the blood it's just spewing his face he's like blood is the life
Kevin Dougherty: when he bursts the bites the bird's head off and it's still like squirting out of the fucking bird's neck and shit.
Keck: Yeah, and same thing with the guy's open neck hole.
Kevin Dougherty: and Yeah.
Keck: ah
Kevin Dougherty: was only a couple other scenes I wanted to talk about that I just thought kind of stood out to me was like when she's she's like is freaking out on a halt for signing that contract to like annul their marriage even though he like He didn't really know about it.
Kevin Dougherty: He was kind of tricked into it for like gold. And she starts getting all possessed. And then she was like, yeah he fucks me better.
Keck: Oh yeah, the of my forefathers. You must first be compensated. Yeah, for a bag of gold.
Keck: ah No, no, no! My Thomas went for a bag of God! That's what you're talking about, right?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And she's flip she flips out on one of those. She's like, he can fuck me better or whatever than like they fuck right there. And then like he's he's there.
Keck: Okay, he's like, let him see upon our love!
Kevin Dougherty: please
Keck: Yeah!
Kevin Dougherty: but Yeah. She starts laughing at them like.
Keck: yeah yeah that pisses him off pretty bad but oh yeah it's eating her best friend yeah it's eating her everywhere and then eating her children
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. And then when she gets when she rejects them and then like he like. the rat eating the fucking lady.
Kevin Dougherty: And then, yeah. And then, and then it kills. Well, yeah, then the, then those rats who kills both children and eats them.
Keck: little girls they were like six years old and they had been faring and getting fed to the monster
Kevin Dougherty: And then fucking, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. And then when, Aaron Taylor -Johnson, sorry, when he was the one watching out for his wife while he was gone. Once his like wife and children are dead, he just like loses it and goes to like her grave and like fucks her until he dies. And like they find him the next morning.
Keck: wait he's like penetrating her like i know he like hugs her and shit i didn't know he was having sex like i didn't know he is uh like practicing necrophilia i didn't know
Kevin Dougherty: Did he not like go to the grave and like pretty much they find her? like
Kevin Dougherty: Dude, it looks like when they found him, it looked like his pants were down.
Kevin Dougherty: The first part the first time I watched it, that's what I saw. i I was still taking notes when I watched it the second time. so But I think you should go to that scene.
Keck: Yeah, my I guess I missed that.
Kevin Dougherty: I'm pretty sure he was like yeah like because he was like kissing her and shit, right?
Keck: hanging I guess he was like holding her. I didn't know he was fucking her dead cold corpse.
Kevin Dougherty: I think he did.
Keck: like
Kevin Dougherty: Don't take my word for it though. You saw it more times than me.
Keck: Yeah, I must have missed that scene all four times. At any rate, I guess it doesn't matter either way.
Kevin Dougherty: But then they go find him, burn it all down. I thought that part was cool too. And then the end. Yeah.
Keck: He didn't help.
Kevin Dougherty: No. And then in the end, when the the final scene where she takes no straw to bed and fucks her tongue pretty much.
Keck: Sure, she's aware that, I mean, she's aware from talking to William Defoe's character there that it's going to be a sacrifice.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: That she knows that, like, she's going to die.
Kevin Dougherty: she
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, she learns about the sunlight.
Keck: but at the same time yeah it's about the greater good like I know that if and because if she didn't didn't sacrifice the plague was going to encompass the land anyway and she was going to be the one that she felt invoked the plague and she would have been you know I guess
Kevin Dougherty: a Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: involuntarily uh yeah the invoker of a curse that she didn't want to come upon the land you know i mean she knew that it was her responsibility and she took she took she took responsibility
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. you She was the one invoked it. Yeah, she was the one invoked and she had to finish it. Yeah.
Keck: yeah it was it was the only way because yeah i mean i i don't know exactly how they always like uh find this count that like you know awakens from pits of 100 years of darkness and despair but somehow fair maidens have this way yeah and
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, it was a nice. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. You can get some beautiful woman calling out to you and you've been asleep for a while. You wake up horny. You wake up with that morning wood that he's trying to get rid of.
Keck: room
Keck: Well, he yeah I don't he didn't expect you fucking perverted asshole ruin He did not perceive love in that way and you know, it was more about It was more about an eternity of loneliness think about it a hell of seclusion to not have any comfort and to not have a love, to not have a friend, to basically live in total isolation, to be an incel for millions of years or something like that.
Kevin Dougherty: He had his dick out, man. No, he could have loved you.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: You know, I mean i imagine that kind of decrepit torture that that would have on the psyche.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: ah ah Would you do anything to be sated? from that fate like you know what I mean like no you wouldn't you would do anything to escape that no matter what it was so yeah I mean I thought it was fantastic I thought the performances were absolutely stellar from everyone involved I didn't think that there was I mean aside from like a random like you know uh addition
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Like I didn't think there was a single character that came up too short. I thought every one was brilliant I can't speak highly enough about this for ought to Obviously, it's not for everyone.
Keck: There's going to be those that see and you know say oh, yeah, it's just not my type of horror flick and that's fine, but I
Kevin Dougherty: i mean they won't say that way but yeah
Keck: Yeah, say that way, but like, I mean, for those that are a fan of the genre, it's a must say.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: And I mean, I think for anyone that would possibly come across the discourse of me and Doc here, I would find it very hard to believe that you would not enjoy this thoroughly.
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, they won't say it that way, but yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, my favorite just aspects of the film itself were definitely like everything from the costume to the music to the lighting because well even the lighting itself felt like it was coming from an actual like, you know, a candle or it was just coming from the fire. You know what I mean? It didn't seem like there was like extra light light it setting up. ah cinematography was fantastic.
Kevin Dougherty: the yeah Everybody's performance was great as well. And now that you've seen this, and since you hadn't seen it when we did our top 10, where would you put it in your top 10?
Keck: of 2024 number one.
Kevin Dougherty: Yes, because it did come out. So above the substance.
Keck: Yes.
Kevin Dougherty: OK. So I put it right below the substance for me. It is still like right there.
Keck: Number one, probably in the last few years.
Kevin Dougherty: Okay, I respect that. All right. Well, that's all we got for you today. Thanks for listening. And we will catch you next time. Follow us on all the social medias and peace out.
