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Alien: Earth
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some news items and the new Alien tv show on Hulu/FX
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Spoiler Warning for Alien Earth
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Kevin Dougherty
All right, welcome back to Fright Central. I'm Doc, back here again, as always, with Keck. And tonight we are going to talk about Alien Earth. ah But first, I do have some news. ah Also, we will be spoiling Alien Earth. you So if you haven't seen it yet, go watch it, then come back and listen to us.
00:00:39
Kevin Dougherty
ah We always recommend that anyway.
00:00:42
Kevin Dougherty
Well,
00:00:42
Brandon
Yeah, we mentioned the spoilers and stuff like that, but like yeah we expect that if you're listening to a discussion about Alien Earth, that you're here for the discussion and you've either already seen it or you're looking for our opinion to know whether or not you should watch it.
00:01:02
Brandon
But like if you're tuning in to any cast for ah topic... like expect there to be spoilers. I think that pretty much goes without saying, don't you?
00:01:14
Brandon
I mean, now um unless you advertise as being spoiler-free, like you should expect like, hey, I'm going to tune in for a discussion on Alien Earth, and I expect that there's going to be no spoilers.
00:01:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:01:27
Brandon
They're going to discuss all around it like, you know, they've never seen it before. So, I mean, yeah, ah this is a temporary disclaimer, and we're going to soon...
00:01:38
Brandon
assume that the audience is intelligent enough to know that if you're tuning in for a discussion about a topic, you know, there's going to be a discussion about that topic.
00:01:50
Brandon
Fair enough?
00:01:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I just know some other podcast break it down to a non-spoiler review, and then they do a spoiler review. So we won't be doing that.
00:01:57
Brandon
Well, they're very elegant and, you know, kudos to them, but fuck you.
00:01:59
Kevin Dougherty
so
00:02:03
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:02:04
Brandon
and That's, that's, hey, that's, that's me at
Review Plans for Yellow Jackets
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Brandon
least.
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Kevin Dougherty
And if you're coming here to listen to our Yellow Jackets review, because we have yet to do Yellow Jackets season three, We've decided we are going to wait until after season four airs, which they also just announced that season four is going to be this the final season.
00:02:24
Kevin Dougherty
So we'll be able to do three and four all in one minute.
00:02:25
Brandon
Really? I thought there was supposed to be five seasons.
00:02:30
Kevin Dougherty
Well, they just announced season four is the final season, so
00:02:33
Brandon
But did they initially say that there was going to be five seasons? I thought we talked about it before on the cast. I thought you had said that um there was supposed to be five seasons. i have that wrong.
00:02:47
Kevin Dougherty
I have no idea. I don't remember that far back to them saying that there was going to be
00:02:50
Brandon
Okay. All right. Yeah, I thought they initially had said there was supposed to be five seasons, but I could be wrong. I'll look ah more into that, and the next time we discuss Yellow Jackets, I'll ah bring that up. But I thought initially they had said there was going to be – well, not initially, but after season three, I thought they had said there was supposed to be five seasons.
00:03:15
Kevin Dougherty
No, I'm glad it's ending with four because, I mean,
00:03:15
Brandon
But like I could have missed their season three. Oh, yeah, I do too. I think i think three would have been alright. I think that they should have been able to wrap this up.
00:03:23
Kevin Dougherty
yeah, I think they could have ended it at three.
00:03:25
Brandon
I thought they'd been really dragging the story out a bit.
00:03:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:03:28
Brandon
And that's sort of why we kind of, well, that and we weren't sure whether or not we had done season three because we had privately discussed the third season.
00:03:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:03:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
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Brandon
And sometimes it's kind of hard to discern what, you know, you have and have not talked about. ah Something we should
00:03:47
Kevin Dougherty
I don't even remember what we...
00:03:48
Brandon
Probably have archived but
00:03:51
Kevin Dougherty
Because it was so long ago, because our last cast was like the beginning of September, right before i went to Wasteland, i barely remember what we even talked about in the last cast, or even if I've put it up yet.
00:04:03
Kevin Dougherty
So...
00:04:08
Brandon
ah Yeah, more burnouts or burnouts
00:04:09
Kevin Dougherty
That's something I can do. Yeah. Yeah.
Dexter: Resurrection's Second Season
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Kevin Dougherty
But ah also, ah Dexter has... Resurrection's been renewed for second season.
00:04:19
Brandon
Yeah, that I mean, I thought ah thought that was official the last time we had mentioned it.
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Kevin Dougherty
That has been official.
00:04:25
Brandon
But yeah, I also got um a news alert saying that it had been renewed for a second season. So I guess maybe it wasn't like 100% official before and now it is.
00:04:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, dude, that would be terrible if they cancelled fucking Original Sin and
00:04:40
Brandon
There's no way that they were going to cancel it considering the reception it got.
00:04:43
Kevin Dougherty
No, mean... No, I'm saying, ah considering they already just cancelled Original Sin because they didn't want competing ones.
00:04:49
Brandon
bridget after Well, who knows?
00:04:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
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Brandon
Who knows?
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:04:53
Brandon
Because Original Sin had a officially gotten an official renewed for a second season. And then they were like, oh yeah, you know that official renewal?
00:05:04
Brandon
Well, now we're overriding that official renewal with an official cancellation. So we're all, and and just to note on that, be right before doing this cast, like literally hours ago, I checked um to see if there was any um ah response from anybody.
00:05:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:05:26
Brandon
that had the official authority, like, from the production company or from the studio that has released anything to, like, concretely say, this is why we made that decision to cancel Originals in, and there has not been anything official. So, the only thing out there still is speculation and rumor, and, uh,
00:05:47
Brandon
Because of that, I'm guessing that they're just probably never going to tell us, or it might come out like years later or something like that. But yeah, there's been there's been nothing from anybody that like actually had a hand in the decision-making process that said, you know, this is why we canceled the Original Sin.
00:06:06
Brandon
So it's really it's really, really strange. But the anyway, sorry.
00:06:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, who knows what will happen depending on whether or not they buy out Warner Brothers and HBO as well.
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Brandon
Continue.
00:06:21
Brandon
yeah Yeah, for all we know, it might come it might it might come back again.
00:06:21
Kevin Dougherty
like So things could change again.
00:06:25
Brandon
I mean, i just think with Dexter Resurrection being, and Dexter Resurrection still maintains a strong 9.2 with like hundreds, I think it's got like 100,000 reviews.
00:06:38
Brandon
It has not dropped at all in favorability on IMDb. Like, that's Game of Thrones type numbers. So like, you know, it's just, for me, it's, It's totally feasible with this much interest in Dexter that, like, that show could come back. I mean, I wouldn't count on it.
00:06:58
Brandon
But at this point, with all the different mergers and stuff going on right now, all the different buyouts and stuff like right now, and all the other shade and backroom dealings and stuff, like, I could see Original Sin coming back in a year or something like that.
00:07:14
Brandon
Like, know, don't know.
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Kevin Dougherty
Or and I was saying, or they cancel Dexter Resurrection as well.
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Brandon
resurrection and then come back with like, you know, Dexter re-resurrection or some shit. Like, don't know.
00:07:24
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:07:25
Brandon
There's a lot of interest in Dexter. So, I mean, yeah um
00:07:29
Kevin Dougherty
I think, how about Dexter Born Again?
00:07:32
Brandon
yeah. Dexter born again where he finds Christ.
00:07:37
Kevin Dougherty
thing Yeah.
00:07:41
Brandon
Oh, God, things are so ridiculous. I mean, I really, you know, I don't know. There is a Christian nationalist movement going on, so who knows?
00:07:50
Kevin Dougherty
i I didn't mean it in the Christian way either.
00:07:53
Brandon
I know he didn't, but that would be funny.
00:07:54
Kevin Dougherty
I don't know. That's what happened in time.
00:08:00
Brandon
but You got riots going on on Hollywood Boulevard right now?
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Kevin Dougherty
ah
00:08:04
Kevin Dougherty
I'm not on Hollywood anymore.
00:08:06
Kevin Dougherty
Remember, I'm in Redondo. I don't know.
00:08:06
Brandon
Oh, yeah, that's right.
00:08:07
Brandon
I just hear sirens.
00:08:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I don't know what's going on over there. But, uh, anyway, moving on.
Predator: Badlands Excitement
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Kevin Dougherty
the bit of news I had was, uh, Predator news with Badlands coming out November 7th on November 5th. They will be having a double feature of Prey the first time in theaters, unless you're one of the lucky few that was able to go to the premiere and the Santa Monica that I was at.
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Kevin Dougherty
ah
00:08:36
Brandon
I was not one of those lucky features, in case you were wondering.
00:08:36
Kevin Dougherty
that's Not to brag or anything, but yeah. yeah But they will be playing at AMC Theaters on the 5th, so you'll be able to see Badlands early and you'll be able see Prey in theaters.
00:08:50
Kevin Dougherty
I'm hoping to get a ticket for that because I would love to go see that game.
00:08:53
Brandon
and Yeah, i'm I'm going to try to do that double feature as well. I figured that would be like, a I mean, that that would be like a good like double feature for like a date, like the sci-fi horror element and... ah with um you know with the ah with Predator Badlands, um the co-star is, what's the name of the actress?
00:09:14
Kevin Dougherty
Ellie Fanning.
00:09:15
Brandon
ah Yeah, i ah for so I had just watched a movie with Dakota Fanning in it, and I would for i was going to say it was Dakota Fanning, but yeah, Alec Fanning. um you know So, I mean, i think that this is going to be a Predator movie that has like,
00:09:33
Brandon
a little bit of something for everyone um like I mean obviously if like you're interested in the predator universe but I mean I think that this is going to be I mean like I said ah to you and you said to me we're both already sold like with ah killer killers being as successful as it was with prey exceeding everyone's expectations um I'm trying to not have such high expectations because, you know, that usually leads to disaster.
00:10:07
Brandon
If like you want, like, you know.
00:10:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. but
00:10:10
Kevin Dougherty
And Dan Trachenberg made 10 Cloverfield Lane as as well, which is also fantastic. So he's like all hits so far. So eventually he's going to have to miss.
00:10:10
Brandon
Yeah.
00:10:16
Brandon
yeah
00:10:17
Kevin Dougherty
I just hope it's not with Badlands.
00:10:17
Brandon
Got it, yeah. I just hope he doesn't miss on this. I hope if he does miss, it's on something that, like, I care about a lot less than Predator.
00:10:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:10:29
Brandon
Because Predator is, like... I mean, Predator is just, like, one of my favorite concepts of all time. Like, Predator is just one of my favorite...
00:10:36
Kevin Dougherty
I watched character two last night. I just threw it off for the shit.
00:10:38
Brandon
Yeah.
00:10:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:10:41
Brandon
I've seen the original Predator all the way through, i would say... I don't want to exaggerate, so I'm going to say probably 350 times, but I think it could have been well over 500 all the way through, beginning and focused on the movie.
00:10:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:10:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:11:00
Brandon
If we were going on clips, it's probably tens of thousands of times.
00:11:04
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah, because that's not a movie I can throw on and pass out to.
00:11:05
Brandon
Wow.
00:11:08
Kevin Dougherty
It's a movie that I end up...
00:11:09
Brandon
Well, I try to do it, but like I learn from my mistakes.
00:11:09
Kevin Dougherty
right
00:11:15
Brandon
Because if I have Predator on, generally, I watch it till the end.
00:11:19
Kevin Dougherty
I told you I was watching Predator the other day and I got up to go to the bathroom and I paused the movie.
00:11:19
Brandon
You know?
00:11:26
Brandon
Yeah, you kind of got it.
00:11:26
Kevin Dougherty
Even though I've seen it a thousand times. Yeah.
00:11:30
Brandon
You kind of of got – I mean, with ah Predator Killer Killers, there's been several times where I turned it on just to watch – because, you know, with Killer Killers, you can easily turn it on and just watch a chapter, like The Shield, The Blade.
00:11:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:11:45
Brandon
And what was the ah the third one with the mechanic? What was – I can't remember. I can't remember, but –
00:11:50
Kevin Dougherty
Was it a gun or don't know what it was called?
00:11:52
Brandon
The gun, yeah, I think it was, yeah, the gun maybe, and ah I've turned it on several times just to watch the one part, and i watched it all the way to the end.
00:11:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:12:03
Brandon
Or in one part where I watched the Blade, I ended up going back, and I was like, wait, I want to see, i want to compare this to the Shield, and I ended up watching the Shield, then the Blade again, and then the rest of the movie.
00:12:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:12:16
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
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Brandon
So that's happened two times, where I went back to watch the a later chapter and then they're watching the entire thing again. Yo, man, you got a lot of like sirens and activity.
00:12:29
Brandon
It's a beehive of activity out there.
00:12:30
Kevin Dougherty
It sounded like he was trying to be quiet too when he was passing by. He threw it all for a second like meh and then it just like right as he got there.
00:12:37
Brandon
Yeah. air like
00:12:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:12:39
Brandon
I'm trying to high K it, man. I want my presence known. Yeah.
00:12:44
Kevin Dougherty
yeah He was like, I'm about to creep up on you in the middle of this fucking sentence.
00:12:49
Brandon
Yeah.
00:12:49
Kevin Dougherty
But... Anyway, oh ah they did also say that... um people And people were flipping out about this online because they're fucking idiots.
00:12:59
Brandon
Oh, please tell me.
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Kevin Dougherty
and
00:13:00
Brandon
I love flip outs.
00:13:02
Kevin Dougherty
ah Prior to Badlands is going to be rated
00:13:07
Brandon
That is kind of a big deal, to be honest, to me.
00:13:09
Kevin Dougherty
But because there's no human blood in there.
00:13:13
Brandon
Yeah.
00:13:14
Kevin Dougherty
That's the only reason. and They said it's still going to be ah violent predator movie, but because there's no humans in it, you get away with, oh, with, with half a body of Ellie Fanning.
00:13:21
Brandon
I was kind of hoping for full penetration.
00:13:27
Brandon
Yeah, well, I wasn't necessarily saying it had to be Ellie Fanning. I mean, I wasn't getting all that.
00:13:32
Kevin Dougherty
ah Well, she's the companion, the half companion on the back.
00:13:34
Brandon
i was na I was talking about predator on predator action.
00:13:39
Kevin Dougherty
but sir Or a predator on one of those giant monster that like, opens and closes his mouth like a Venus fly trap.
00:13:47
Brandon
I wasn't really trying to go there either, but yeah, I mean, but Dr.
00:13:47
Kevin Dougherty
you Whatever the fuck that was.
00:13:54
Brandon
Dolph Lundgren. Anyway. Moving on.
00:13:58
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah, that was the last ah thing I had since it was, ah we'll eventually get a predator alien crossover because l a Fanon's character is a synth from, from,
00:14:11
Brandon
Yes.
00:14:12
Kevin Dougherty
Wayland yutani so that's our first like official crossover for this new universe so.
00:14:13
Brandon
Yes.
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Brandon
And do we know, um I guess, that in the trailer that I saw for Brother Badlands, at least the most recent one I saw, she seems to be ah rocking, like, a bishop from Alien 3, like, decapitated from the waist down from, like, the very get-go.
00:14:39
Brandon
I don't, I guess we don't know if you actually see how that happens to her in the movie.
00:14:44
Kevin Dougherty
It looks like you do.
00:14:46
Brandon
Okay, you you see like what like.
00:14:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. i think we I think we will in the beginning because ah she's also playing two parts. her like ah She's playing, i forget what the other character's name was, but it's also a synth, but she doesn't have like the same emotions as the one that we see.
00:15:03
Brandon
Yeah.
00:15:04
Kevin Dougherty
So, yeah.
00:15:05
Brandon
There there are also seems to, and I mean, I guess we're not going to know whether or not this works or not until, like, we've both seen it, but um it seems like they were also trying to um kind of render her character as, like, some comedy relief relief as well.
00:15:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:15:22
Brandon
Like, it it seems like there were, like, ah there was a lot of, like, ah sarcastic, like, kind of, like, comedy, like, little, like, snide remarks that she had, which... You know, I mean, it goes back to the original Predator.
00:15:35
Brandon
They had to give, like, ah Schwarzenegger the – where he throws the machete and pins the guy to the wall, and he goes, stuck around. You know what I mean?
00:15:44
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Oh yeah, yeah it's it's full yeah it full of one-liners.
00:15:44
Brandon
Like, had to throw in, like, a one letter. But, like, you know, david it seemed it looked like she was kind of gave some comedy relief from the trailers, at least.
00:15:50
Kevin Dougherty
And even in the...
00:15:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, even in the Alien movie, Bishop kind of has that...
00:15:55
Brandon
Right.
00:15:59
Kevin Dougherty
like and It's like not and necessarily intentional comedy, it's just because he's like an android and doesn't understand human emotions. Same with Timothy Olofland's character in Alien Earth, which we'll get into.
00:16:12
Brandon
Well, yeah, there is no way that, like, Tim would have that, like, written in the script.
00:16:12
Kevin Dougherty
kind of
00:16:18
Brandon
He'd be like, yeah, there's no comment. Like, there's no, like, I need to have some kind of pompous line in here somewhere.
00:16:21
Kevin Dougherty
i
00:16:26
Brandon
So, i mean...
00:16:27
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah but you but you know what i mean it's like there there's scenes with him where he says things or does things that are like that you find funny but like there aren't necessarily like he wouldn't find them funny but like to the audience you'd find it fun yeah yeah yeah that's what i mean
00:16:42
Brandon
Yeah, well, because it's like programming and stuff like that. Yeah, and the anything he has in it, like ah in Alien 3, when Sigourney Weaver asks Lance Hendrickson how he's feeling after she reboots him in that horrid state, and he goes, my legs hurt.
00:16:59
Brandon
You know what mean?
00:17:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:17:00
Brandon
Like, he knew to tell that joke, like, you know what I mean?
00:17:01
Kevin Dougherty
Shit like that. Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:04
Brandon
So, um but...
00:17:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and even, i think, Alien Romulus, the the the character they um that android was telling like jokes, or trying to tell jokes.
00:17:16
Brandon
The android that was supposed to be, um what's his name from the original Alien? um
00:17:26
Kevin Dougherty
No, not Ash.
00:17:26
Brandon
can't.
00:17:27
Kevin Dougherty
No, I'm not i'm talking about the Black Knight.
00:17:27
Brandon
Not Ash.
00:17:30
Brandon
Oh, the the brother. ah the The brother, yeah, yeah.
00:17:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:17:34
Brandon
Well, he was like ah he was supposed to be like an emotional support android.
00:17:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah,
00:17:38
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah.
00:17:39
Brandon
So it would make sense that he would have like a whole bunch of jokes, yeah.
00:17:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, jokes. Yeah. Yeah, so so we don't know what kind of synth she is yet, so to worry.
00:17:46
Brandon
I just hope they don't go overboard with it.
00:17:48
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, no, yeah, me too.
00:17:48
Brandon
You know what I mean?
00:17:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:17:49
Brandon
ah Based on his previous work, I'm thinking that, like, you know, he wouldn't have put this in there unless he really thought it, like, worked in the story. But, ah you know, this is just speculation, you remains to be seen.
00:18:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, yeah the American pilot in the Here Comes the Fucking Siren again.
00:18:07
Brandon
Yeah, I know you got lot of activity going on there.
00:18:07
Kevin Dougherty
What? He just waits for it. What the fuck?
00:18:10
Brandon
Whatever.
00:18:10
Kevin Dougherty
It's like a fire truck, but something's burning.
00:18:11
Brandon
It's cool. You live in the hood, you know?
00:18:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah Yeah, of course.
00:18:16
Brandon
That has to happen right when we do the cast, too. Totally quiet the rest of the day in this, like, one hour period. Like, yeah.
00:18:23
Kevin Dougherty
it Just this 10-minute fucking period.
00:18:25
Brandon
Yeah.
00:18:25
Kevin Dougherty
Like, 20 minutes into the episode. But, yeah, i was going to say that... um We don't know what kind of synth yet she is.
00:18:36
Kevin Dougherty
And
00:18:39
Kevin Dougherty
yeah, so that'll ah so well we'll find out in the movie. I hope it's not a a straight like comedy horror. No, I'm sorry.
00:18:47
Brandon
Yeah, well, I mean, I wasn't like, I'm just saying like, you know,
00:18:48
Kevin Dougherty
I know where I lost track. Hold on. It was the you the human pilot in the end of Killer and Killers, his last segment, he had a lot of comedy aspects. And especially when he was in that big but battle at the very end,
00:19:01
Kevin Dougherty
he was kind of the comic relief in that and that portion ah of that final battle. Because remember, he was like, i don't know how this gun works. like
00:19:09
Brandon
Yeah, no, I no i see.
00:19:10
Kevin Dougherty
There's elements like that.
00:19:11
Brandon
I know what you mean. There were elements of that in all the movies.
00:19:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:14
Brandon
I think also, like, with the trailer, they could have just, like, really cherry-picked. You know, when you're putting together a trailer, you're trying to make the film look as as appealing as possible to the most diverse group of people as possible to maximize your attendance.
00:19:21
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:19:28
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
00:19:31
Brandon
You know what I mean? So, i mean, they could have just cherry-picked. like very small, like there could have only been like um a few punchlines like in the entire film, but you know, they just made sure to cherry pick that for the trailer.
00:19:45
Brandon
I don't know. I just hope it worked. It was something I, I just was making note of that, uh, you know, I, saw I saw in the advertisements. So anyway, my expectations are very high.
00:19:53
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:19:56
Brandon
I'm just trying to, if you know I'm saying, I'm trying to manage those expectations or that.
00:20:00
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
00:20:01
Brandon
Like I don't ruin the film for myself in advance.
00:20:05
Kevin Dougherty
so you're not like so hyped up that when the movie comes out you're like oh this wasn't as hyped up as i made it out to be but it was still a good movie type of feeling
00:20:05
Brandon
which
00:20:09
Brandon
yeah as long as like it's on the same level as prey I will be happy. If I if i get a film that is about the same level of quality as Prey, I'm expecting it's probably going be better with a larger budget and, you know, a major theatrical release. um You know, it's kind of hard not to think that, like, it should be better, but, like,
00:20:38
Brandon
if it's just the same, i would say, i would take that. Like, you know what I mean?
00:20:43
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:20:44
Brandon
Like, I'd be happy with that. Cause I thought Prey, uh, was, uh, you know, hit on, uh, nearly every cylinder. So, uh, yeah, I'm just, I'm really looking forward to this film.
00:20:55
Brandon
I haven't been to the movies really.
00:20:56
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:20:58
Brandon
Uh, it's probably been like ah about two years since I've been in theater. So, uh, I'm really looking forward to this one. So, yeah.
00:21:09
Brandon
Anyway, moving on.
00:21:11
Kevin Dougherty
So yeah, let's get into Alien Earth. So for those who are her not aware, ah the film is set, what is it, 21?
00:21:23
Kevin Dougherty
set two years prior to the events of Alien.
00:21:26
Brandon
Well, just a correction, the series, not not the film, the the series. It was, what was it, eight episodes?
00:21:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, the series is eight episodes, yes.
00:21:36
Brandon
Yeah, eight episodes on Hulu, and it was, um who was the creator in, I think he did all the direct, the guy that did Fargo, ah Noah?
00:21:48
Kevin Dougherty
Noah Hawley.
00:21:49
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:21:49
Kevin Dougherty
Needed Fargo and Legion,
Alien Earth's Underrating Debate
00:21:52
Kevin Dougherty
which was really good as well.
00:21:52
Brandon
Yeah, yep, yeah.
00:21:54
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah, I guess we start there. ah So the IMDB rating of 7.2 out of 10 for the whole series.
00:22:00
Brandon
Yeah, it dropped. It was up there around like 8, and then I saw it fell to 7.5. I kind of disagree with this um this rating. I know that like if you look episode by episode, some episodes were rated like much higher than others.
00:22:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, like episode five, which we'll talk about as the highest rating of 8.6.
00:22:18
Brandon
But yeah, yeah. yeah
00:22:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:22
Brandon
I disagree with it getting as low of a rating as it does. I mean, I know horror always gets shit on, and it always kind of takes a nosedive when it comes to the masses.
00:22:30
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:22:36
Brandon
But I disagree with, and you know this is so ah a theme that I've been talking about more and more on this podcast, is is that I find myself overall becoming more and more at odds and more distant from the ah mass reviews that we're seeing on IMDb.
00:22:58
Brandon
When I used to kind of take IMDb as gospel, like I would see the review and
00:23:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I would still agree with them more. like they're They're still more closely aligned to me than the Rotten Tomatoes, that's for sure.
00:23:09
Brandon
Yes, I was you.
00:23:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:23:11
Brandon
That was the next sentence that was going to come out.
00:23:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:14
Brandon
Like, I would say IMDB is probably more aligned with me than any other rating platform that I've seen. Aside from like certain like, very like localized and individualized subreddits and stuff like that, where the community is pretty much already in sync with one another.
00:23:32
Brandon
Like, in terms of, like, mass reviews on, like, a very large platform, I think IMDB is probably the most accurately aligned with me. But, like, yeah, I know what you mean. Like, I'm just saying, like, in general, I've been more and more at odds and more distanced than I used to be with them.
00:23:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. I definitely ah agree with that for some things, for sure. ah oh But sorry. um So getting into the show itself, and it's set two two years prior to the original Alien series. So basically, they are, at this point, Sigourney Weaver and the crew have, I believe, have just taken off, or they're at least a year into the
00:24:24
Brandon
oh
00:24:25
Kevin Dougherty
I forget exactly what it what it breaks down to.
00:24:27
Brandon
well, it took them a long time to get to their destination. So like, you know, they would like shove off and then they would go into like hypersleep for like a certain amount of years.
00:24:36
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:24:39
Brandon
I know in alien earth, for example, they've been gone, they're deep space research, e still doing biological surveys.
00:24:49
Brandon
And I know that they've been gone for a total 65 years. And, of course, in Aliens, Sigourney Weaver, she was found after, I believe it was 56 or 57 years.
00:24:55
Kevin Dougherty
That's right.
00:25:05
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, you're talking about in between the two, yeah.
00:25:05
Brandon
But, yeah, part of that time she was drifting know, her escape shuttle.
00:25:13
Brandon
her escape shuttle ah for that time, so I don't know if it was a total of 57 years she had been gone, or if it was like 57 years plus the initial time that she had um shoved off on with Waylon Industries.
00:25:33
Kevin Dougherty
I'm looking at it right now.
00:25:34
Brandon
I'm not sure if it was total
00:25:34
Kevin Dougherty
It's set in the same year. ah Alien Earth is set the same year that Nostromo left.
00:25:39
Brandon
Okay, so it's same year.
00:25:40
Kevin Dougherty
Oh.
00:25:41
Brandon
i'm just I wasn't sure how long Ripley was gone, told but i mean if you look at like ah the if you look at Aliens, the ah the though director's cut that's got like all the added stuff in it...
00:25:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:25:55
Brandon
um it has more information about like the daughter she had just given birth to like i guess the daughter was like uh just learning to talk and like you know it was still like a mommy relationship so she was aware that her mother was leaving she had made promises to her and stuff but like by the time she had gotten back her daughter had like led a full life and died i think she had gotten cancer or something like that
00:26:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:26:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. 57 years. Yeah. fifty seven years yeah
00:26:22
Brandon
Yeah, 57 years. So I'm not – what I was trying to say, I'm not sure if she was just drifting in the shuttle for 57 years or if it was a total of 57 years she'd be gone.
00:26:34
Brandon
So ah in the time she left with the company plus her time in the – I'm not sure if it was 57 years total.
00:26:39
Kevin Dougherty
57 years between since left Earth. the time her in the second one.
00:26:46
Brandon
Yeah, no, I'm talking about something different.
00:26:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. fifty nine years since she left earth
00:26:49
Brandon
Yeah. Okay, so it was two years with the company, and then 57 years that she was drifting in the shuttle.
00:26:51
Kevin Dougherty
lifetime you used gear in the second one
00:26:57
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
00:26:57
Brandon
Okay, yeah, that's what I was, so it was a total of 59 years, and in that time, her daughter, like, lived her life, and
00:27:05
Brandon
yeah, she had gotten some kind of, uh, I think she got sick. I think it was like cancer or something and she passed away and she probably would have clipped, uh, her daughter late in life if she had gotten back, uh, and her daughter had not gotten sick.
00:27:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:27:21
Brandon
Um, but I mean, for me, I think I would rather my daughter have already been passed away than like leave her as a little girl and then like get back and she's like 80.
00:27:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah
00:27:33
Brandon
know what I mean? Like, For me, that would be like a real psychological head fuck. Like, so, I don't know.
00:27:39
Kevin Dougherty
I think it would be for her as well. Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:41
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, I'm just, well, that's what I mean.
00:27:41
Kevin Dougherty
I think.
00:27:43
Brandon
If I wasn't her, like, you know, to leave, like, an eight-year-old girl and get back and she's 80, you know what I mean? Or in her, like, 70s or whatever, it would just be, you know, that would be really fucked up to me.
00:27:56
Kevin Dougherty
yeah i meant I meant if you were the kid seeing your mom come back after 80 years with yeah and she was mad young too like the same age yeah that was when she left yeah that would fuck
00:27:56
Brandon
So...
00:27:59
Brandon
Oh, yeah. Yeah, well, you get back and, like... ah Yeah, you're, you're like all this fucking like your mom's like the exact same age. Like, yeah, yeah.
00:28:15
Brandon
Yeah, because at that point, it would feel like you're more of the parent, you know what I mean? Like, it would just be like, oh, my God. Yeah, that's that would be a real head fuck.
00:28:21
Kevin Dougherty
me up too yeah So, uh, so this, uh, series introduces, um, corporation, five different corporations as well.
00:28:36
Kevin Dougherty
And, uh,
00:28:36
Brandon
The only one that I was familiar with was like, I think like I had heard of, um well, Waylon is the one that we're all like very familiar with, like in the Alien Universe. And I did recognize one other. Was it like, was it Tanaka?
00:28:55
Brandon
Or was it something I, do the one that was the Japanese name sounded like, Yutani.
00:29:00
Kevin Dougherty
The Weyland-Yutani,
00:29:02
Brandon
Yeah, that that was what was,
00:29:03
Kevin Dougherty
thats that's the one everyone's familiar with.
00:29:05
Brandon
Yeah, that's what I was familiar with.
00:29:07
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah, they had already, I believe at this point, they're already one company.
00:29:12
Brandon
Yeah.
00:29:12
Kevin Dougherty
so they Because they used to be two separate companies and they merged.
00:29:16
Brandon
Yeah, see, everybody, like, you know, just like everybody's merging.
00:29:16
Kevin Dougherty
We can't wait on it.
00:29:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and then you have Lynch, who we don't ah see in the series at all. ah Dynamic or Threshold are the other two that I don't think are really mentioned that much either. But Prodigy is the one we mostly focus on.
00:29:37
Brandon
Yeah.
00:29:37
Kevin Dougherty
And there's a little bit of Weyland-Yutani that we do see, but it's mostly focused on Prodigy. And this series also introduces the the new, um you know, not new AI, or should I say, like they they introduce new enhanced beings or whatever, if you want
Enhanced Beings in Alien Earth
00:30:00
Kevin Dougherty
to say.
00:30:00
Kevin Dougherty
So we have cyborgs, which are humans enhanced with biomechanical body parts. ah Synthetics, the fully artificial beings with AI intelligence.
00:30:11
Kevin Dougherty
And then hybrids are synthetic synthetic bodies with transferred human consciousness. And that's what it mostly focuses on, is that last one with the company Prodigy.
00:30:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah,
00:30:26
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, it can get, like, kind of confusing. i mean, for me, I was just looking at it as, like, you know, the hybrids, like, people with, like, machine parts, like, we're going to start seeing that, like, very, I mean, we are ready in certain, like,
00:30:43
Brandon
like in certain rare instances, we're already seeing that here on Earth, um you know, people with pacemakers and stuff like that, you know, but that that technology is starting to advance here.
00:30:51
Kevin Dougherty
yeah. yeah
00:30:57
Brandon
So in the, you know, coming decades, we're going to start seeing um people that are part robot, um you know, in the in the not too distant future.
00:31:11
Brandon
ah But for me, I mean, i was just looking at as like, you know, people, you know, normal, like fully organic people. And, you know, then you had your hybrids and then i was just calling everything else robots.
00:31:24
Brandon
Like I wasn't going to like ah for me, it's just all a lot to make like the distinction between like fully synthetic and then synthetic.
00:31:24
Kevin Dougherty
oh Yeah.
00:31:33
Brandon
But like, you know, you have a human mind that has been upload it into like a drive inside that, you know, so I was just going like, you know, you're either like, you're either really, I mean, it could just be like organics and synthetics.
00:31:41
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:31:49
Brandon
I mean, just because you have like a few robotic parts, like i don't think that necessarily should like label you a cyborg, but like, it seemed like ah within this universe,
00:32:03
Brandon
there seemed to be like a lot of like phobia and discrimination against people that were like part man and part machine. Like you heard them say like, oh, he's a cyborg. Like, you know what mean? Like it was, yeah there seemed to be like a bit of like,
00:32:22
Brandon
class, i I guess you can't call it racism. I'm i'm not sure what the what the term would be, but people were definitely critical of people that had had a certain degree of synthetic alteration, for lack of a better word.
00:32:27
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:32:38
Kevin Dougherty
ah I also think it's they're also like the older tech as well, so they kind of outdated because when you when you get that confrontation between the cyborg and and Yutani,
00:32:48
Brandon
Okay.
00:32:54
Kevin Dougherty
That's not really a conversation, but the conversation that they have where he's like, ah yeah, I'm looking for Yutani. And she's like, I am Yutani. You're thinking my mother. Like, he's been around long enough to know when...
00:33:03
Brandon
Grandmother. brent and Her grandmother.
00:33:07
Kevin Dougherty
their Yeah, grandmother. Yeah. So he's been around for a long time.
00:33:11
Brandon
Yeah.
00:33:11
Kevin Dougherty
i think I think since are are probably the second ones that have been around for forever. And then the hybrids are are pretty new. And I mean, you do have to kind of make a distinction between the three because, again, one is fully computer you know intelligence and the other one is human mind inside a fully synthetic body.
00:33:33
Kevin Dougherty
you know It's just a transfer of consciousness. It's not an artificial consciousness. And then the cyborgs, because apparently in this series, ah if you still have like any human or organic parts to you, that the aliens will sniff that out and destroy you.
00:33:53
Kevin Dougherty
Because apparently they don't notice the fucking...
00:33:53
Brandon
I guess. I mean, it's really up to the viewer. I mean, to me, you're a person or you're a robot. I mean, that's just the way I took it. I didn't really see any real big difference.
00:34:04
Brandon
um But yeah, I mean, obviously they're they ah went to lengths to point out ah the differences between the technology that they had. Like with Prodigy, he was talking about this as being like the newest technology.
00:34:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:34:20
Brandon
He talking about the human consciousness put in ah robotic, a fully robotic body. um This is being looked at as the next evolution ah to humanity because the reason they're doing this is to allow um humans to invent like things like... um For example, faster than light travel, it gives a person the ability to
00:34:50
Kevin Dougherty
It gives them it people eternal life. The rich people.
00:34:53
Brandon
Yeah, they said that you wouldn't necessarily get eternal life, but like you'd be able to live for like hundreds or maybe even thousands of years.
00:34:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:35:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:35:02
Brandon
You know what I mean? They said there would be like some lifespan, but like, yeah, I mean, someone could go on and I mean, you might even be able to transfer that consciousness to a new body.
00:35:03
Kevin Dougherty
but the
00:35:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. You would be able to just keep transforming.
00:35:17
Brandon
You know what mean?
00:35:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:35:18
Brandon
So, I mean, we don't know, but like, yeah, I mean, you would be able to live for the foreseeable future, you know, unless,
00:35:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, the ah the inforeseeable future.
00:35:29
Brandon
down
00:35:30
Kevin Dougherty
um The other thing that they make a distinction of is that it doesn't work on adult minds. It only works on children's minds.
00:35:37
Brandon
at the At present, yeah, at where they are with the technology now.
00:35:38
Kevin Dougherty
At the time, at the time, yeah. Yeah.
00:35:42
Brandon
So, yeah, that that's kind of ah you know kind of a cutoff, you know what I mean?
00:35:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:35:47
Brandon
like you know if So, like you really want to be a child at that point, I guess.
00:35:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:35:52
Brandon
yeah think that That's the key. Or, um well, I think...
00:35:56
Kevin Dougherty
ah Specifically a dying child. ah
00:35:59
Brandon
Well, at that point, but that was just how they did the sample. Like, that's how they got the consent, like from kids that were dying, that they were terminally ill, didn't have much time left.
00:36:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:12
Brandon
I guess they got the family to basically sign the child away um and, you know, to give it life. And they were supposed to never have contact with the family again.
00:36:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. They told them that they told him they were all dead.
00:36:24
Brandon
And that, of course, gets...
00:36:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:36:27
Brandon
Yeah, that that of course gets like totally fucked. But, um you know, um yeah, I mean, it was an interesting concept so ah that, you know, and I believe that the overall goal, though, was to piggyback off the technology if it was successful in integrating the children into the synthetics.
00:36:52
Brandon
And they were hoping to eventually eventually make that available for anyone that wanted to be transferred.
00:36:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, yes. that That was their angle. Absolutely.
00:37:01
Brandon
They just weren't yet. They're just not there yet. And they called them floor models. I think he probably you actually, like the codename was the Lost Boys, which you know you know from the movie.
00:37:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:37:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:37:12
Brandon
So like, yeah, this was the very early stages to this new like groundbreaking technology. They said they developed it over a decade. So it was 10 years work.
00:37:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yes. So then, ah I would like, don't, I'm not sure how to go about maybe we can just jump to episode five. Cause that's kind of like episode five kind of shows you what happened prior the first couple episodes.
00:37:38
Brandon
Yeah, well, before we just before we jump to that, I mean, in between, from from where we start off, um episodes one to four, five is like a flashback.
00:37:51
Brandon
And that like tells you like how they got to where they're at now. Because episode one, it starts with a crash of the two stages, basically.
00:37:59
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah. Sorry, I didn't realize we didn't get that far.
00:38:02
Brandon
breath Yeah.
The Crash and Alien Creatures
00:38:04
Kevin Dougherty
good
00:38:04
Brandon
All right. So ah setting it up, there's a crash into the city of the Deep Space Research Measual. And, you know, that's got all the alien. It's got the original xenomorph, and it's got a whole bunch of like cool critters on there.
00:38:20
Brandon
That's one thing that um I didn't initially plan to talk about, but I would say I was really impressed.
00:38:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:38:28
Brandon
with ah the sample selection that they brought back for the show. I thought all the creatures that they had were really, really interesting. Even the ones that they didn't really get into that much and show you like how they worked and everything.
00:38:43
Brandon
like All the creatures I thought were impressive. I thought the leeches were cool. I thought that one plant thing that was like hanging from the ceiling.
00:38:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that just eats entire people.
00:38:51
Brandon
i don't They didn't really get into that that much, but everything seemed... Really, really cool. The eyeball was fucking awesome.
00:38:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I think the...
00:39:01
Brandon
The way it worked, the way they show how it worked, that was really neat.
00:39:05
Kevin Dougherty
I think the eyeball kind of stole the show from the aliens, in my opinion.
00:39:08
Brandon
Yeah.
00:39:09
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah, the eyeball was definitely a fan favorite for this season.
00:39:11
Brandon
Yeah. ah
00:39:14
Brandon
Yeah.
00:39:15
Kevin Dougherty
I even like those like more like those more things that like ate the fucking mechanical parts from like the Android and shit.
00:39:15
Brandon
Yeah, the eyeball was cool.
00:39:22
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah. yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:39:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:39:25
Brandon
They, like, ah the ones that, like, vomit it, like they're think like, the one that, like, dissolved the guy's face. And I guess the only thing I wanted to, ah before we get into the flashback, in episodes one to four, um I thought those were the strongest episodes.
00:39:44
Brandon
I thought that introduction, especially, like, Timothy Alphonse character, like, I thought, i mean, he... He's one of my favorite actors, and I thought that he brought so much depth to that character of, and just for context, Timothy, he was just a built robot, right?
00:39:54
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:40:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, yes, he is a full synth.
00:40:08
Brandon
He was just a full synthetic.
00:40:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:40:11
Brandon
Yeah. So he is your bishop. He is your ash. Yeah. from the from the other Alien movies, and I thought his character was tremendous, because he really seemed to, I mean, he had, like, his one-liners, he had that, like, element of humor that he could bring, but for the most part, he was, like, just real straight-faced,
00:40:40
Brandon
And for a while, I didn't know what his scene was.
00:40:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:44
Brandon
I thought he was maybe like, you know, going through like, you know, a mental, like some kind of hardware breakdown, like a hardware software combo breakdown, like where all the synthetics always seem to go berserk in alien movies.
00:40:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:59
Brandon
Like, because, you know, at one point prodigy is going to him, like, is there a problem? And he's like, watching like the creatures like eat like the one kid like you know melting his face and like
00:41:12
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:41:13
Brandon
killing everybody. And he's seeing that like the alien has like, um, the xenomorph had like, uh, jumped on one of the guy's faces and all this like really pissed chaotic shit is going on.
00:41:27
Brandon
And, uh, like, yeah, I was, and dude's like, uh, is everything okay? And he's just like, yep, everything's fine. That's he's like watching. I'm like, Oh dude, he's going nuts.
00:41:38
Brandon
But like, nah, he was just observing and doing his job.
00:41:38
Kevin Dougherty
it
00:41:42
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah, I also think he i also think he didn't doesn't like the hybrids.
00:41:45
Brandon
and
00:41:47
Kevin Dougherty
I don't think he's a...
00:41:48
Brandon
you got that ah yeah yeah
00:41:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I think he ah think he might also feel like they're taking... like taking They're there the next replacement. like They're not going to want to build or make other synths again, you know what I mean?
00:42:03
Kevin Dougherty
ah like They're just going to phase them out and get rid of them if they're just going to replace them with hybrids.
00:42:06
Brandon
yeah
00:42:10
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah so yeah, I really like the ah the first four as well. um You obviously get into Wendy Moore, who's like the main character, who can like apparently um like hack into computers and video monitors just by looking at them or whatever. then she... like can learns the language of the aliens, starts speaking to them.
00:42:37
Kevin Dougherty
These are the parts I didn't like. I feel like she was way too overpowered.
00:42:41
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, I guess that's something we should talk about, too, is the um relationship between, like, the – I'm just going to call them synthetics um for lack of – I'm just going to call them the hybrids or whatever.
00:42:56
Kevin Dougherty
They're hybrids.
00:43:00
Brandon
i don't know. It's just a lot of different – anyway.
00:43:03
Kevin Dougherty
It's three things.
00:43:04
Brandon
Yeah. The characters between um the robots and the aliens and ah yeah the language and talking and the weird, yeah, I mean, it gets like kind of strange. It's a real lot to just break down in like a normal discussion. But if you've already seen this, which we assume you have, you know what we mean. And yeah, I kind of,
00:43:34
Brandon
I don't really know how I felt about that. I thought that was a little bit strange. I don't understand like why the aliens were talking to her and her only.
00:43:47
Brandon
I thought that was like kind of weird. I didn't really think that worked in my opinion.
00:43:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, like, I could see if, like, she was able to, like, you know, because she's kind of, like yeah like, we said, she's a hybrid.
00:43:52
Brandon
um
00:44:00
Kevin Dougherty
like So she can, like, access, you know languages and stuff. I could understand her eventually learning what that language was.
00:44:07
Brandon
But no one else did at all, not even slightly.
00:44:09
Kevin Dougherty
But, yeah.
00:44:10
Brandon
No one else had any other interaction whatsoever.
00:44:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. But her, like... using the language to control them and the fact that she could like just hack any system by just like, you know, thinking about it really.
00:44:23
Kevin Dougherty
She didn't have to like actually touch anything.
00:44:24
Brandon
No one else had that ability even remotely.
00:44:24
Kevin Dougherty
Well, yeah. i was like, why are we giving her all the fucking abilities? Like, yeah ah and she's a good fucking alien.
00:44:30
Brandon
Yeah.
00:44:32
Kevin Dougherty
She can kill the aliens really well too. Like give her one thing, make her good at one thing, not fucking everything. give Like give the other characters like something to do.
00:44:39
Brandon
Yeah, she had everything. The other characters had nothing. The other characters were very, very passive. I mean, the one goes berserk. um the The redhead girl, I can't remember what her name was.
00:44:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, because she almost had the fucking eye go into her and just fucking in traumatized her.
00:44:54
Brandon
Yeah, she, like, suffers, like, trauma.
00:44:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:44:57
Brandon
But that actually made sense because they're kids in the body, so, like, you know, it would be normal.
00:44:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, it does. Yes. Yeah.
00:45:04
Brandon
The other aspect that they bring into it, and this made sense to me, is that the kids would miss their families.
00:45:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:12
Brandon
And it's kind of unrealistic to think that, like, you know, you could um take a bunch of children away from their families, give them new identities, and then say, oh hey, you know, you're basically at summer camp for the rest of your life on this weird research island.
00:45:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, you're not allowed to leave, yeah.
00:45:32
Brandon
You also had the one that was, like, um Tim O'Flandt's assistant, in a scientific lab, and I'm thinking, you know, the one that wants to change his name to Isaac after Isaac Newton, and I'm thinking, like, how do you think that this is suddenly going to qualify the children to be, like, intense, like, advanced scientists? Now, I realize that they were able to upload programs and stuff into them. Like, one of them was able to learn to speak fluent French in an afternoon.
00:46:06
Brandon
So, you know, you're able to do stuff like that. But, like, to be a scientist, like, you you have to ah get, like, vast amounts of experience.
00:46:17
Brandon
Like, the art of deduction over experimentation over a prolonged period of time through scientific observations is how you you know, become a scientist. Like, I don't think you can just suddenly quantify somebody by uploading...
00:46:34
Brandon
ah programs into him, and it seemed like he, like, went from...
00:46:38
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, that's pretty much what the synths are, though. They're artificial intelligence, but they're not.
00:46:42
Brandon
Yeah, but, like, they had said that, like, for example, Timothy Afflant's character, who, you know, was built aesthetically, he had been alive, they said, for, like, hundreds of years up to that point.
00:46:48
Kevin Dougherty
You can, like, go to school. Yeah.
00:46:58
Brandon
And, you know, he was, and he had
00:46:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:47:02
Brandon
a lot of laboratory experience. Like he was pretty much like born in the lab and you know, his whole existence was based on like scientific observation.
00:47:14
Brandon
So the like, ah so the version of him, not only did he have all that software up added into his system, he had like a hundred plus years of actual experience.
00:47:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I'm just saying, I think the kids have, they have access to fucking files and shit. Like, that wasn't that out it.
00:47:35
Brandon
I guess, but it's it seemed like he was still a moron.
00:47:40
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, absolutely, yeah.
00:47:41
Brandon
You know what I mean? like He didn't seem like he was like, ah yeah, the wavy lines, like after they put the eyeball into the sheep, which was a scene that I really liked, the eye going into the lamb, the sacrificial lamb.
00:47:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:47:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah every Every fucking eye scene was fucking great.
00:47:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:47:57
Brandon
Yeah, it was.
00:47:58
Brandon
I like how the eye always knocks the old eyeball out right away.
00:47:58
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:48:02
Brandon
Like, you know I mean?
00:48:02
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
00:48:03
Brandon
Like, that was funny to me. But, ah you know, for a kid who is supposed to have all this software, like, installed in into him to be, like, a research assistant, like, he's like, oh, yeah, like, look at how all the wavy lines have gotten, like, a lot more intense. And he's like, yeah, those are gamma waves.
00:48:24
Brandon
Yeah.
00:48:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:48:24
Brandon
They indicate problems. Like, whatever software they were putting into him, they certainly didn't make him very articulate as a scientist. like i
00:48:33
Kevin Dougherty
hear that yeah
00:48:34
Brandon
So, I mean, it was there was a lot of, like, ah yeah, i you know, a lot of stuff. Like, for everything that worked, it seemed that there were several other things that really didn't work, in my opinion.
00:48:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. yeah my Yeah, my just major problem was the just giving Wendy, like, everything.
00:48:54
Brandon
everything and yeah and she got none of the trauma because all those kids would have suffered trauma like you know that was the thing they would send them into an active crash site like it was basically a military operation you know i mean it's like they had no training you know they obviously didn't you know it was just a very bizarre thing and even the characters questioned that decision making
00:48:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:49:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:49:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, like, these are, brand like you said, they're brand new floor models. He's like, yeah, let's just send them in as a test run to this fucking...
00:49:24
Brandon
yeah
00:49:27
Kevin Dougherty
Like, you haven't tested them out in any type of, like, combat situations, like, in your own lab yet. You're gonna just send them into this real-world fucking, like, rescue.
00:49:36
Brandon
Yeah, it was ridiculous, and they even quit.
00:49:38
Kevin Dougherty
Just to see how they react. Like, yeah.
00:49:39
Brandon
Yeah.
00:49:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it seemed like there
00:49:40
Brandon
What was your opinion of the boy genius, Prodigy?
00:49:45
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, I thought he was great as a character.
00:49:49
Kevin Dougherty
Like...
00:49:49
Brandon
Yeah, I had mixed feelings.
00:49:51
Brandon
Like, he seemed, for a genius, he really sort of acted like an idiot to me a lot. ah Like, he just, I mean, he was like a pompous ass.
00:50:01
Kevin Dougherty
Because he thought he was smarter than everyone. Yeah, that was the problem.
00:50:04
Brandon
Yeah, and he he was, like, extremely arrogant ah about that.
00:50:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And he wasn't. Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:08
Brandon
I guess that was sort of, but, like, i don't know.
00:50:08
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:50:11
Brandon
He didn't really, i don't know. He didn't really act, like, very, i don't know. He didn't act in, like, a very technical manner. He wasn't, like, very articulate in his speech.
00:50:23
Brandon
he didn't really, i don't know, he didn't really say anything that I thought was like, oh yeah, you know, this is obviously the visionary who would have like created this. Like, i don't know.
00:50:34
Brandon
I guess I was looking for more of like, um, someone like very wise for his years, like Lance Hendrickson as a child.
00:50:43
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah yeah i bought him i i bought him as character i like this character yes
00:50:43
Brandon
Like, you know what I mean? you're Like that's where, like, don't know, like his character. Yeah. I, Yeah, I guess I didn't. that That was something that I really, I thought that ah his character didn't really work for me.
00:50:57
Kevin Dougherty
because like up for the first couple episodes you think like he's you think he's a good guy in the first couple episodes
00:51:03
Brandon
I never did.
00:51:04
Kevin Dougherty
No, I never never either.
00:51:05
Brandon
I never thought he was a good guy.
00:51:06
Kevin Dougherty
ah Because A, he's some corporate guy. But I mean, he thought that that's kind of how they portray him at the beginning when he's you know you know he's helping these kids you know live.
00:51:18
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:19
Kevin Dougherty
So yeah like he's coming off that way. But then when we get to episode five, which is the episode we've been trying to talk about, ah is though the what leads up to the crash.
00:51:30
Kevin Dougherty
And you find out that on board somebody not only sabotaging the ship, but they're like you know stealing information as well. And on top of that, one of the fucking aliens has gotten out as well. So you do see pretty much alien again, but you also get that extra element of sabotage from somebody on board, and then you find out that it was...
Prodigy's Betrayal Revealed
00:51:54
Kevin Dougherty
ah you know, that the prodigy kid, you know, was the one behind it, behind the crash and everything and purposely.
00:52:01
Brandon
yeah Yeah, yeah that that was that was a neat twist. I wanted to ask your opinion about episode five.
00:52:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:08
Brandon
How did you feel about the way they were conducting scientific experiments aboard the research festival? Because I thought it was just so fucking bungled. like They all seemed like total bungling idiots. like You would want to hire the best of the best.
00:52:27
Brandon
If you're spending billions of dollars on a 65-year deep search, you want to have detailed psychological breakdowns of every person you're putting on that mission.
00:52:40
Kevin Dougherty
Well, yeah, sure, when you leave, but you...
00:52:41
Brandon
You would want the scientist to be the best scientist in the world that would go on this. You're spending all that money. And it seemed like the laboratory conditions, how the leeches got out, the eyeball got out. Everything was escaping.
00:52:57
Brandon
Like, they didn't have them in, like, fucking unbreakable glass. They had it in, like, normal, like, the glass that you would have, like, your pints, like your kitchenware.
00:53:08
Brandon
It was just really ridiculous. I was just like, wait, what the fuck? Like...
00:53:12
Kevin Dougherty
It's just corporations cutting corners there.
00:53:15
Brandon
But the thing is, is like you would not be cutting those corners because you were putting so much.
00:53:19
Kevin Dougherty
no
00:53:21
Brandon
And it was like everybody they had on there. You had a pervert, the Chinese guy who is like creeping around, like masturbating to like that sleeping girl.
00:53:31
Brandon
And then you had the engineers that were all like psychologically breaking and they want to flush. the specimens, and then the other one that was the saboteur, you had just complete disorganization. When the captain dies, the backup captain, you found that she was ah in having an affair with somebody, and hey, that I can understand that happening.
00:53:54
Brandon
I can understand like some people like you know after all that time you know hooking up with one another, you're always going to have something like that.
00:54:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, but I also get that whole being out there for so long you're going fucking nuts. fucking Yeah.
00:54:06
Brandon
Everybody went nuts. Like you had a complete breakdown. And the thing is, is you weren't out there for all that time because a lot of that time they were asleep in cryostasis.
00:54:18
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:54:18
Brandon
So it's not that they were awake for 65 years.
00:54:21
Kevin Dougherty
No, but still.
00:54:22
Brandon
For the most part, they were asleep.
00:54:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, still, you don't know what that we don't know what that does to you, you know what i mean, for being up in space that long?
00:54:24
Brandon
Like they were only up
00:54:29
Brandon
Yes, you do.
00:54:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:54:30
Brandon
They've had that technology for centuries. They've been using that technology for hundreds of years.
00:54:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:54:36
Kevin Dougherty
not talking about the hypersleep. I'm just bit of saying you don't know you just being in space for that long with the same amount of people...
00:54:42
Brandon
Yes, they do. They've been doing that for centuries. They've had countless successful expeditions to other plants. And this was a privately funded best of the best thing. And I just look, I know you had to do that.
00:54:58
Brandon
Otherwise, the whole show wouldn't have worked. You had to have bungling and stuff like that.
00:55:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:55:05
Brandon
I thought that that episode was brilliant. I loved every second of it. But at the same time, I'm thinking, like, you couldn't find... like a little bit more of like a better like story as to how everything unfolded other than you hired a crew of complete incompetence that bungled everything. Like you had that one kid that like was like just a total fucking moron and eating ramen and like,
00:55:35
Brandon
I was just like, Jesus Christ, they're all bungling idiots.
00:55:39
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:55:40
Brandon
Like everything that could go wrong did go wrong. From the way the characters were disobeying orders to the breakdown the chain of command to the equipment that they brought.
00:55:51
Brandon
I was just like, what the fuck? Quarantine procedures, the whole safeguarding of Like, I don't know.
00:55:56
Kevin Dougherty
that's happening That's happened in every fucking alien movie.
00:55:59
Brandon
Yeah, I know.
00:56:00
Kevin Dougherty
It happens in the first movie.
00:56:00
Brandon
And hey, it worked. I loved every second of it.
00:56:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:56:04
Brandon
I'm just, but I was thinking like, I'm like, dude, basically the only competent person it seemed was Morrow. That was it.
00:56:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:13
Brandon
Like if it wasn't for him, mean, my goodness gracious, I would have hated to see what happened.
00:56:20
Kevin Dougherty
yeah I like how they knew how to stop it but it with like the electric with like the tasing and like the netting. I thought that was really cool.
00:56:27
Brandon
Yeah, that was really cool. I had never seen the netting before.
00:56:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. So I thought that was a cool thing they brought to so the Alien franchise.
00:56:35
Brandon
Yeah, I was wondering if, like, he was going to, when he first started spraying the netting, because that was really neat.
00:56:35
Kevin Dougherty
yeah.
00:56:41
Brandon
It was, like um like, this material that kind of foamed over the alien and kind of, like, just made, like, a natural cocoon on the alien. Similar to the cocoon that the alien seems to be able to secrete in the various movies.
00:56:58
Brandon
Like, you even see it in the show when not his brother is kind of, like, restrained to the trailer. in the third episode, I believe, ah the alien has like that saliva that it you cocoon people.
00:57:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:12
Brandon
You never really see people get cocooned in any of the alien movies until after it happens, but you know, you kind of deduce how they would do it. They like secrete something.
00:57:24
Brandon
But ah yeah, that netting was really cool because I had seen them freeze aliens in other movies, like using like liquid nitrogen, but that was really fucking neat.
00:57:34
Brandon
um The only other thing I wanted to mention about that crew was ah the character Morrow, the cyborg.
00:57:46
Brandon
He seemed to be about as cool as a cucumber under pressure. Like, you know, he talked about the alien sensing fear.
00:57:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:57:56
Brandon
I don't know if you ever see that mentioned in the other alien movies. You may. It certainly is inferred that they do. But I don't know if anyone ever mentions it. He is calm as fuck.
00:58:09
Brandon
He's like, mother, I need the impact room. He gets in there. That alien gets close as hell to his face. He even spits on him.
00:58:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:58:17
Brandon
And he doesn't even flinch. He doesn't even blink, yo.
00:58:20
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:58:20
Brandon
Like, that motherfucker was a good investment for fucking Waylon. Yeah.
00:58:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and he's just a cyborg. He's not even like the synth or anything like that.
00:58:30
Brandon
yeah Yeah, and you had mentioned his backstory.
00:58:30
Kevin Dougherty
So be able to like...
00:58:33
Brandon
He had, like, cerebral palsy, I think you said, like the grandmother. art
00:58:39
Kevin Dougherty
I said that?
00:58:39
Brandon
it Tanaka?
00:58:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yutani.
00:58:42
Brandon
Weyland. It's Weyland-Yutani.
00:58:45
Kevin Dougherty
Waylon Yutani.
00:58:45
Brandon
Sorry, I was calling it Tanaka.
00:58:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:48
Brandon
That's from another movie. um Yeah, Weyland-Yutani. It mentions that the grandmother finds him, like, begging on the street or something like that.
00:58:57
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:58:58
Brandon
Like sick kid. I think you had mentioned he had, like, cerebral palsy or something. And, like, I think the grandmother, like, pays for his, like, cybernetic upgrades and stuff like that.
00:59:10
Brandon
That was really, I mean, that was a great investment, you know, because he, and they have his backstory. He has a daughter who, you know, obviously he's out there for,
00:59:22
Brandon
65 years and he's like everybody I know and love is dead so I have no friends or anything like that but uh yeah I mean he's like she even says oh you should have read your contract he's like I'm not complaining I'm trying to complete this mission I'm not trying to come back I have a recruited asset I have an in I'm gonna get in there I'm gonna get our shit back and I'm going to kill that prodigy motherfucker.
00:59:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:59:49
Brandon
He's a badass.
00:59:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:59:51
Brandon
He was my favorite character.
00:59:52
Kevin Dougherty
Absolutely. Yeah. Him and Timothy Olfant were my two favorites.
00:59:54
Brandon
like
00:59:55
Kevin Dougherty
Absolutely. The, what was the other? Yeah, I guess we can talk about the ending, the final episode.
01:00:04
Brandon
Yeah, I apologize. i was i really like the characters in this, and I know I've kind like ranted on and on, but like before this cast, like i I've watched the series twice over, and I've watched episode five about three or four times now.
01:00:08
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah.
01:00:22
Brandon
And yeah, I mean, i know I've talked a lot of shit about like what I didn't like about this show, but I think that the future of this show has a lot of potential.
01:00:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:00:34
Brandon
Yeah.
01:00:36
Kevin Dougherty
I gotta say that, I mean, they definitely bundled up the the final
Alien Earth's Rushed Ending
01:00:41
Kevin Dougherty
episode. It felt a little rushed with like, you know, the alien gets out onto the island and then they're like searching around, but it's just like real random.
01:00:43
Brandon
Yeah. yeah Yeah.
01:00:51
Kevin Dougherty
I don't know. It's the...
01:00:52
Brandon
Well, and it was eight episodes, Kev?
01:00:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:00:55
Brandon
It wasn't seven?
01:00:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
01:00:56
Brandon
You're certain it was eight. So after episode five, we have another three episodes.
01:00:58
Kevin Dougherty
It was neat.
01:01:01
Brandon
Yeah. And so episodes six, seven, and eight, I didn't like it much.
01:01:05
Kevin Dougherty
you learn ah You learn Prodigy, that you learn the kid's backstory where he didn't like his father, so we built a synth who is the the
01:01:11
Brandon
Yeah.
01:01:16
Kevin Dougherty
ah like who looks like his butler for most of the show. You're not really sure what the guy's scene is, and you find out towards the end of it that he was a full-on synth as well. I believe he built him to replace his dad, and I believe he had him kill his dad and become his new father for the next
01:01:26
Brandon
Yeah.
01:01:32
Brandon
Yeah, you kind of got the feeling that he was a henchman.
01:01:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
01:01:36
Brandon
you know Yeah, and i never I never saw it, but you you spoke highly of that.
01:01:37
Kevin Dougherty
ah But I believe he was like the first. And if you've ever watched the British ah series, The Young Ones, he's Vivian ah from The Young Ones.
01:01:51
Brandon
um Yeah, I mean, i i guess one thing that I might argue is that um I would have probably liked to see a little bit more of his character in this.
01:02:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
01:02:01
Brandon
um because he he was a little little bit of one of the more obscure characters. He didn't have as much screen time as I would have liked because he seemed to be very interesting.
01:02:10
Kevin Dougherty
Did
01:02:14
Brandon
I liked the actor. um He was a very intimidating presence. And I thought we could have used little more Cowbell with him in it. I don't really
01:02:27
Kevin Dougherty
did he die? Or was he just incapacitated, I think, when we last seen him?
01:02:30
Brandon
i don't I don't recall, but I would say also, ah before I forget, one thing I did like.
01:02:40
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, I remember what happened. The eye.
01:02:42
Brandon
ah what
01:02:43
Kevin Dougherty
The eye got into the hymn, didn't it?
01:02:46
Brandon
No, no, no. The eye ends up crawling into the us the dead scientist on the beach that hatched the second xenomorph.
01:02:55
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, that's right.
01:02:55
Brandon
That's where the eye is.
01:02:56
Kevin Dougherty
Okay. Yeah.
01:02:57
Brandon
They tried to put the eye into the brother. We didn't really touch on the character brother and sister thing, but I really don't think that merits much discussion.
01:03:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:03:06
Brandon
I really, um I think it's realistic that like she would have wanted a relationship with her brother.
01:03:06
Kevin Dougherty
No.
01:03:13
Brandon
For the sake of the show, I really don't think it worked. That was like one of my like, like lesser. You know, like my least favorite ah dynamics was the thing between the two of them.
01:03:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:03:24
Brandon
Like, obviously, all those children would have wanted their families. And that's like a concept that they brought up.
01:03:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and he didn't know that she was still alive and like and all that stuff.
01:03:32
Brandon
Yeah, I it just yeah, I mean, and Prodigy didn't like that either. Like, he was like, oh, the brother.
01:03:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, he was still a... I think he was still an interesting character in himself where he was like stuck working for the corporation and coming out of the office.
01:03:45
Brandon
yeah Oh, yeah, because that's like ah something you see like in Romulus. You brought that up a bunch about how Waylon is like a real fucked up company where they like to prey on people that don't have family and don't have the means.
01:03:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
01:03:59
Brandon
Like, you know what i mean? Like in Romulus where they trick that girl.
01:04:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, they just keep extending your fucking contract.
01:04:03
Brandon
Yeah.
01:04:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:04:04
Brandon
Yup. Like, without, like, nah, like, sorry, your ah request has been rejected, and we've just involuntarily and arbitrarily added an additional five years.
01:04:18
Brandon
Have a nice day.
01:04:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
01:04:20
Brandon
Like, what the fuck?
01:04:20
Kevin Dougherty
you no You have no say over it.
01:04:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah
01:04:23
Brandon
Yeah.
01:04:25
Brandon
It's like ah that, and... dumb Do you want to get talk a little bit um about the relationship between Morrow and what did they call his name? um The Indian boy. What was his name?
01:04:44
Kevin Dougherty
I know we're not exactly like.
01:04:44
Brandon
It was like Flurry.
01:04:45
Brandon
It was something. I can't remember his name. It was, I want to say Flurry, but I know it wasn't Flurry. um Hurry. what What the fuck was his name?
01:04:59
Kevin Dougherty
You have a fucking computer right in front of you.
01:05:02
Brandon
I don't, I should have the IMDb.
01:05:03
Kevin Dougherty
but Slightly.
01:05:05
Brandon
Slightly, yeah.
01:05:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:05:06
Brandon
Slightly was his name. um ah Because it that was something that was a bit interesting to me.
01:05:12
Kevin Dougherty
No, was it slightly?
01:05:14
Brandon
Yeah, it was Slightly.
01:05:14
Kevin Dougherty
No, slightly was the the black eye.
01:05:17
Brandon
No, Slightly was the Indian kid. Yeah, alright, anyway. Slightly.
01:05:22
Kevin Dougherty
dar oh yeah, sorry, I hit the wrong one.
01:05:23
Brandon
Morrow touches him and puts like a tracker into his neck. And that allows him to be able to communicate with Slightly over, like, long period like long distances.
01:05:37
Brandon
Like, he was able to, like, basically hack into his comms and communicate with him at any time he wanted.
01:05:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
01:05:46
Kevin Dougherty
yes
01:05:48
Brandon
And, but, uh, Timothy Aflant's character, uh, recognized that there was this surveillance and he was actively monitoring the communication the entire time, but took absolutely no action.
01:06:03
Brandon
Uh, because he was like luring Morrow into a grand trap. And that's what I wanted to ask you about before we wrapped up was, um, I thought a really interesting scene was the scene in the elevator between Timothy O'Flaunt and Morrow, where ah they had a very hostile exchange, where Morrow was talking about how he loved to kill synthetics, because they felt no pain, and he could, like,
01:06:35
Brandon
chop piece after piece off of them and stuff. And then Timothea Thorn's like, really? I thought, like, the pain and suffering would have been the whole point.
01:06:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:06:44
Brandon
Like, I mean, I really, really like that scene. I thought that would real.
01:06:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I really like their exchanges the whole time. And then then they then their fight as well was great, too.
01:06:52
Brandon
Yeah.
01:06:56
Brandon
Yeah. Oh, God, i totally we forgot about that. Yeah, they really yoke you. like you fly get
01:07:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:07:05
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah.
01:07:05
Brandon
Like, doesn't he, like, break his back over, like, that thing?
01:07:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, on like a table. Yeah, yeah.
01:07:11
Brandon
Yeah, I totally forgot about that.
01:07:14
Kevin Dougherty
You watched it twice. You forgot about that scene. Yeah.
01:07:16
Brandon
Yeah, well, you know, there was a lot going on. I watched episode five several times, and I was sort of more fixated on the first four episodes than I was the last three.
01:07:31
Brandon
Um, I, I especially did not like how, um, the alien became like the, uh, one hybrids Wendy's pet, Wendy Macy.
01:07:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:07:43
Brandon
Like how she was able to say like, all right, I want you to like help us stealth kill anybody that like tries to fuck with us and like follow.
01:07:54
Brandon
Like, I don't know like what her like end game was for that. And like, I have no idea what that, where they were going with that.
01:08:01
Kevin Dougherty
yeah so
01:08:01
Brandon
Like, writers, I think, went a little bonkers there. I'm not really sure, like, what they were trying to achieve with that. And um the other kid that they had to... um That they did the memory wipe to, to, like, try to erase her trauma during the crash, she... Well, they erased her memories, but they sure as fuck didn't fix her. Because she, like, starts to go berserk and shit like that. And, like, yeah, I mean...
01:08:31
Brandon
There is definitely, yeah, there is definitely going to be like some like long term, like unforeseen consequences to the shady like experimentation with this ah technology that they're doing. Because she was, yeah, she was very, very, very damaged.
01:08:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:08:50
Brandon
And I didn't get the idea that any of them were doing any favors for their mental health by what they were doing. And in the final scene, they kind of like basically take everybody prisoner, and then they imply that they're going to, quote, rule.
01:09:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:09:07
Brandon
So I didn't like that.
01:09:09
Kevin Dougherty
yeah I mean, I'm looking forward to the next season, and see where it goes.
01:09:13
Brandon
that Do we know if there's going to be a next season?
01:09:16
Kevin Dougherty
It hasn't been confirmed yet, but they have already started working on ideas for the second season is what I've gotten so far.
01:09:24
Brandon
So that's positive that's positive that there's ideas.
01:09:24
Kevin Dougherty
i mean, yeah, yeah.
01:09:28
Brandon
Um, Do
01:09:30
Kevin Dougherty
Like, I mean, they were already talking to the studio, I want to say, about like ideas for the second season if if they were to get renewed, but there is no official word yet. We'll obviously tell you when there is an official word.
01:09:41
Brandon
I don't think... Hulu doesn't seem to have a whole lot of shows compared to the other networks, like especially original programming. So I'm hoping that that might give it a little bit more of a boost.
01:09:57
Brandon
um You
Second Season Potential for Alien Earth
01:09:58
Kevin Dougherty
Well, it was an FX show, which FX and Hulu and all them, they're all owned by Disney now.
01:09:58
Brandon
know, because...
01:10:02
Brandon
um but
01:10:04
Kevin Dougherty
So, and it's all on the Disney app.
01:10:04
Brandon
I'm just saying, it streams exclusively on Hulu, right?
01:10:07
Kevin Dougherty
yes Yeah, yeah.
01:10:09
Brandon
So i don't, I guess compared to the other streaming services, I feel like Hulu doesn't have as much original content as like, you know, for example, like Prime or Max or Netflix and stuff like that.
01:10:23
Brandon
So I was thinking like maybe that might give it a little bit of ah an extra boost. But I mean, I think that the show deserves a second season on merit.
01:10:32
Kevin Dougherty
don't know. I would just disagree with you on that. I think Kulu has a lot of original series.
01:10:36
Brandon
does it Well, I guess maybe I don't know is ah no as much.
01:10:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, you don't really stream much.
01:10:41
Brandon
drop Yeah, i don't I don't really pay as much attention to Hulu as I do because like i feel like i guess like Netflix and the other um the other streaming companies seem to have like a little bit more exclusive content that's tailor tailored to my desires.
01:10:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:11:01
Brandon
But the I think that this show deserves a second season on Merit alone.
01:11:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
01:11:06
Kevin Dougherty
Absolutely.
01:11:06
Brandon
and, um, I'm just worried that they might shit can it because it did end very poorly. I think on IMDB, the final episode, I think was like 6.5 or 6.6.
01:11:22
Brandon
And usually you want like the first episode and the last episode to be some of your most popular, your most highly rated. Um, that's generally the format you go for to engage the audience. But, uh,
01:11:36
Brandon
I feel like it ended on a very, like, negative note, and it seems like so did the rest of the audience. So that that's my concern, is that it's not going to get related.
01:11:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, hopefully it's another season so they can, like, you know, fix that.
01:11:50
Brandon
Yeah, I hope so as well.
01:11:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:52
Brandon
um Is there any thing that ah that we missed that you want to discuss? Is there, like, any, like, major, like, you know, the coach burning down the –
01:12:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I'll just say...
01:12:03
Brandon
the house at the end of Yellow Jackets that we forgot to mention. Yeah,
01:12:09
Kevin Dougherty
I'm sure we'll think of it, like, you know, after we get off of the air.
01:12:09
Brandon
i
01:12:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:12:13
Brandon
yeah I can't think of anything major. um I guess the only other the other scene that i liked, i wish there was a little bit more of... um the ah The Japanese woman, Yutani, I wish there was like a little bit more set in her realm.
01:12:28
Kevin Dougherty
u tony Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:12:35
Brandon
like Because it looked like she had like this really cool like kind of like skyland metropolis. like They show the one scene where Mara goes to check in
01:12:42
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:12:45
Brandon
And there's that really great shot from like outside the skyscraper. that kind of shows, like, it kind of looked like the Cloud City from Star Wars, almost.
01:12:54
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:12:55
Brandon
Like, I mean, they had literal skyscrapers.
01:12:58
Kevin Dougherty
yeah I kind of like how I i do wish that it was more focused on Weyland and Yutani, but at the same time, I do like how they keep that little bit more of a mystery and they're slowly revealing on time, over time, instead of just like giving you all this lore dump on Yutani.
01:12:59
Brandon
And I was like, you know, that's fat.
01:13:14
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah there was a mess breaker.
01:13:17
Kevin Dougherty
I like keeping this kind of mystery. like You know they're a fucking shady corporation already. so
01:13:24
Brandon
Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, they're all shady corporations.
01:13:25
Kevin Dougherty
like You don't need... Yeah, yeah.
01:13:27
Brandon
They obviously didn't, like, fix the world, like you said.
01:13:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:13:31
Brandon
Like, you know what I mean? Like, they got in there and, like, they pretty much, like, just, you had the takeover of democracy.
01:13:37
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, they were bringing back these aliens. Yeah, they were bringing back these alien species to weaponize them.
01:13:44
Brandon
Yeah, no.
01:13:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. okay
01:13:45
Brandon
Like, he says, like, the one dude's like, wouldn't it be better if we just rid ourselves of all this and just gave it back to Yutani? And he's like, nah, I'm not trying to, like, give her her shit back only to have, like, a fucking, like, xenomorph in my belly a year later
Quarantine Violations in Alien Series
01:14:02
Brandon
or something like that.
01:14:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:14:03
Brandon
And like, you know, but at the same time, like I didn't feel any more confident with them in his hands than they did because that is the one thing like Prodigy supposed to be so smart, but like.
01:14:11
Kevin Dougherty
No. Yeah.
01:14:18
Brandon
his ah The one that you were talking about in YoungBuds, his assistant is constantly reminding him like, Sir, you're breaking protocol.
01:14:22
Kevin Dougherty
Young ones.
01:14:28
Brandon
By separating these specimens, it makes it harder for us to maintain proper control and command that you know this facility is designed to do.
01:14:41
Brandon
We are violating quarantine procedures. just like Yutani did on that fucking deep, you know, they constantly do that.
01:14:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
01:14:50
Brandon
It's just like an overlying theme. Like, you know what? We need for shit to get buck wild. that We need for the aliens to escape. So in order to do that, we're just going to start violating quarantine procedures left and right
Horror of the Leech Creature Scene
01:15:04
Brandon
and, you know, bringing...
01:15:04
Kevin Dougherty
but Literally every Alien movie.
01:15:07
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, it's just like, you know, God, ah ah you know, I guess the only other quick thing I wanted to mention that I thought was cool was um how they won the creature, the leech, how it spit into that chick's drink, and you keep wondering who's going to drink it.
01:15:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:15:11
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:15:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
01:15:27
Brandon
Is it going to burn? And it ends up being that kid. And I was just like, oh, man, dude. If I realized I had just drank those leeches, the first thing I would do is just grab a gun and blow my brains out.
01:15:41
Kevin Dougherty
but Yeah, if you knew that's what you drank, you didn't know.
01:15:41
Brandon
There's never way. yeah um i would immediately shoot my...
01:15:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:15:46
Brandon
No, like, dude, that bugged me out. Like, I was, like, looking at my water after I did that.
01:15:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:15:51
Brandon
Like, because I, like, picked up my drink. I was, like, looking inside my glass. I was just like, dude, that would be...
01:15:58
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:15:58
Brandon
the ultimate, like, yeah, that would be, there's no, uh, there's no escaping that, because even when they tried to, like, remove it surgically, it, like, spewed out, like, that, like, toxic
Intelligent Eye Creature
01:16:10
Brandon
pollen gas, and, like, it kills them, like, instantly, and they die a bad death.
01:16:10
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:16:16
Kevin Dougherty
yeah what
01:16:16
Brandon
And it was just, like, oh, fuck, dude. And that shit's all on Earth.
01:16:22
Kevin Dougherty
what I'm really looking forward to is I want to see what that eye has to say. Cause that like, cause there's points in that show where like it takes a, on episode five, it takes over a dude and and kind of like fights the alien at one point.
01:16:28
Brandon
Mmm.
01:16:37
Brandon
It bites the alien.
01:16:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:16:40
Brandon
It jumps on him and it bites into the side of the alien's head.
01:16:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. um So, so was the, like the eyeball trying to help or like, cause like, cause again, with the water,
01:16:49
Brandon
It did try to help a couple times.
01:16:51
Kevin Dougherty
with the water, it like tried to close the thing to like, like ah yeah.
01:16:55
Brandon
It banged on the glass. It tried to get her attention.
01:16:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. was trying to keep them out.
01:16:59
Brandon
But you don't know, was it trying to actually help? Or did the eye realize, hey, it's in my own best interest for these things not to get loose on the ship.
01:17:11
Kevin Dougherty
Because he wants to get in that eye.
01:17:12
Brandon
You know? Yeah, exactly.
01:17:14
Kevin Dougherty
Like, no, that's my eye. I'm not letting this other creature destroy this body.
01:17:16
Brandon
That's my eye. Yeah.
01:17:18
Kevin Dougherty
That's my eye. I'm getting in that shit.
01:17:20
Brandon
And, yeah.
01:17:22
Kevin Dougherty
You know, there's a couple times where it almost gets in people's eyes, too, that are fucking phenomenal.
01:17:22
Brandon
it did
01:17:25
Brandon
Yeah.
01:17:27
Kevin Dougherty
And but every time it's, like, crawling around.
01:17:27
Brandon
And you can tell it's extremely intelligent.
01:17:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:17:31
Brandon
Like it's like at one point he tries to communicate with the sheep and he's like, this is pie. All advanced civilizations would recognize this number.
01:17:42
Brandon
And you tell me the corresponding numbers and like it starts doing all this stuff. Like it starts pounding its hoof. And then at one point it shits to like signify number two. And it's like, oh man, only if you could talk.
01:17:58
Brandon
Like, you know what i mean?
01:17:58
Kevin Dougherty
Dude
01:18:00
Brandon
So yeah, just, there's a lot of fun.
01:18:02
Kevin Dougherty
when he was in that sheep was great too and then But it does kind of like Sabotage the one Dude when like he goes in to feed those Things it like bangs on the Glass to like you know Get his ah not get his attention But to distract him so the door would shut On so yeah
01:18:16
Brandon
Yeah.
01:18:20
Brandon
Exactly. is Just to draw more attention to it I think, you know, and I mean, like this is ah an intelligence that's probably far smarter than prodigy is probably smarter than, you know, we don't even know how intelligent it is.
01:18:25
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah
01:18:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:18:38
Brandon
You know, it might be so far advanced that, you know, we all know, and it just doesn't have the ability to properly manipulate its environment.
01:18:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:18:48
Brandon
And so, you know, who,
01:18:49
Kevin Dougherty
Well, now that it's in that fucking hybrid kid, like, I think, well, I think it's in the
01:18:50
Brandon
Well,
01:18:53
Brandon
it's not in the hybrid kid. It's, it, uh, got in that guy's dead body on the beach. The one that had this, you know,
01:18:58
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, I thought the dead body on the beach was one of the dead hybrids. Sorry. Yeah, you're right.
01:19:02
Brandon
no, it was, uh, it was the husband of the, uh, the scientist wife.
01:19:03
Kevin Dougherty
No, it was a soldier. That's right.
01:19:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
01:19:08
Brandon
He like, yeah.
01:19:09
Kevin Dougherty
I remember that now.
01:19:09
Brandon
So, uh, that's going to be like a temporary host.
01:19:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:19:13
Brandon
The eye is basically looking for a new eye right now.
01:19:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. Constantly looking for a new eye.
01:19:17
Brandon
So like, constantly looking for a new eye.
01:19:18
Kevin Dougherty
It's like... but I think if it's a dead body it crawls into, it probably wouldn't last as long as it's fresh host.
01:19:27
Brandon
Yeah, exactly.
01:19:27
Kevin Dougherty
I think it's eventually trying to get into one of those fucking hybrid eyes because then it's an immortal fucking host for it.
01:19:33
Brandon
Yeah, and well, we don't know.
01:19:34
Kevin Dougherty
Unless it can't survive like in inorganic material, we don't know. It did try to get in that hybrid's eye, but it probably didn't know.
01:19:39
Brandon
We don't know yet, yeah.
01:19:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
01:19:44
Brandon
It might have bounced out immediately after it got in.
01:19:47
Kevin Dougherty
yeah and yeah
01:19:47
Brandon
It might have been like, oh, wow, all right, this is synthetic. It doesn't work, and it needs an organic. Because, yeah, it looks like it gets into your eye and then shoots like a probe directly into your brain.
01:19:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it looks like the rest of the tentacles like hook onto the brain inside or something, yeah.
01:19:59
Brandon
And, yeah, and what I was wondering is, like, what if the eye is in you, Would you still be alive and just be like, oh, God, I'm still alive, but I'm missing my eye?
01:20:15
Brandon
You know what I mean? Like, do you, like, coexist with the eye, but the eye just has total control? Like, you know what I mean?
01:20:23
Kevin Dougherty
ah Like you're like deep in your brain somewhere.
01:20:24
Brandon
Or, yeah, like, if you're a hostage within yourself, like, you don't even know.
01:20:25
Kevin Dougherty
Like you're like, like where you can see what's happening, but you have no control over your own body.
01:20:34
Brandon
Yep.
01:20:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:20:35
Brandon
Yeah, you don't know.
01:20:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:20:36
Brandon
And I'm thinking most likely you're only going to be alive, like, if you were in that hostage state, like, locked within yourself, like, being John Malkovich, sort of.
01:20:48
Brandon
Like, you know, I'm assuming that you would die.
01:20:50
Kevin Dougherty
You get spit out after 15 minutes on the side of the Jersey Turnpike.
01:20:52
Brandon
I'm assuming that you would die when that eye left.
01:20:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:20:59
Brandon
You know, when I was in, because, like, it probed into your brain, And you have like a hole in your head.
01:21:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
01:21:05
Brandon
So like, yeah, I'm assuming.
01:21:07
Kevin Dougherty
I think it's given keeping people alive. Absolutely. Yeah.
01:21:10
Brandon
yeah So I don't know.
01:21:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:21:13
Brandon
But like, you know, this was a a lot of really cool creatures, a lot of cool ideas, a lot of places for this story to go.
Horror Recommendations
01:21:23
Brandon
So I hope there's a season till.
01:21:25
Brandon
But um that's pretty much all I got.
01:21:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, me too.
01:21:29
Brandon
Any ah parting words, Doc?
01:21:31
Kevin Dougherty
No, did you have anything that you were currently watching that I think you want to mention real quick?
01:21:35
Brandon
Yeah, um
01:21:37
Kevin Dougherty
You don't have go into detail about it, just recommendations.
01:21:37
Brandon
i ah no i no I just watched um a show called, or not, well, I watched them some show. It was the third season of Monster.
01:21:49
Brandon
ah They had done, the first one was Dahmer, then they did the Menendez brothers, and then the third season was on Ed Gein. I just finished watching that, and then um just before the cast,
01:22:00
Kevin Dougherty
I do want to watch that.
01:22:02
Brandon
I watched a movie called Vicious with Dakota Fanning. I didn't realize that it just came to streaming on Friday. It's a new horror movie.
01:22:11
Kevin Dougherty
I didn't remember hearing about this at all until you'd mentioned it.
01:22:11
Brandon
um
01:22:14
Brandon
um
01:22:15
Kevin Dougherty
Wow.
01:22:15
Brandon
I didn't even know. like I literally was watching like South Park. And then the South Park episode ended. I went to the bathroom, came back in, and this movie had just began.
01:22:27
Kevin Dougherty
no
01:22:27
Brandon
And I was just like, oh, what's this? And I was like, oh, it's a horror movie. And it's October, so I'll watch it. And, yeah, it was meh. But, you know, at any rate. So I just figured, you know, it is the ah ah month of spook.
01:22:43
Brandon
And I just figured I'm trying to get in, like, the Halloween spirit. So I've been trying to watch as much horror content as possible.
01:22:51
Kevin Dougherty
Well, two movies just came to HBO Max. The Substance, which we've talked about on this cast itself.
01:22:58
Brandon
Oh, well that's on HBO now. Good, good.
01:23:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that's all on HBO. And Bring Her Back is on there as well. ah It's by the same people who did Talk To Me. i don't know you've seen that one, but they're both on they're both on HBO.
01:23:08
Brandon
Oh, cool. I did say it. Yeah.
01:23:12
Kevin Dougherty
it's I think Bring Her Back was earlier this year. believe it was, yeah. And that one's pretty fucking grim as well.
01:23:17
Brandon
It wasn't 20. It was, or it was earlier in this year. It wasn't, it wasn't 2024. It wasn't last year.
01:23:25
Kevin Dougherty
No, I believe Talk to Me was last year.
01:23:26
Brandon
Maybe. Oh yeah. I'm thinking. talk Yeah. I'm thinking of talking.
01:23:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:23:30
Brandon
Sorry.
01:23:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:23:30
Brandon
Yeah. Talk to me was fine.
01:23:31
Kevin Dougherty
and bring her And Bring Her Back is this year. Yeah. Because I remember we talked about Talk to Me on this cast.
01:23:34
Brandon
Yeah. So.
01:23:37
Kevin Dougherty
So, but...
01:23:38
Brandon
Do you have any like ah haunts or anything that you have like lined up in the near future?
01:23:44
Kevin Dougherty
I am trying to go to the LA Hornet Hayride.
01:23:48
Brandon
Oh, cool.
01:23:48
Kevin Dougherty
I know it depends on what other people are doing, though. that There was talks about doing the Long Beach Queen Mary Harbor one. I am going to Disney with some friends next weekend for our birthday.
01:24:03
Brandon
And you you just got back from Wasteland recently, and that was really cool.
01:24:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. When I fall in the Thunderdome, it's
01:24:08
Brandon
Yeah, that was that was really good. Did you post any of that up on social networking for other people to see,
Wasteland Event Highlights
01:24:16
Brandon
or are you going to post any links?
01:24:16
Kevin Dougherty
i i only I only ended up finding in the one-minute video that ah somebody had taken.
01:24:18
Brandon
Because I know you didn't have the full videos.
01:24:24
Kevin Dougherty
with We'd asked for them to record the whole thing, and that's all I did.
01:24:24
Brandon
ah Yeah, that's too bad.
01:24:28
Brandon
It looked really cool if you want to put that up for people to check out, even though it's just a minute.
01:24:28
Kevin Dougherty
It sucks.
01:24:31
Kevin Dougherty
It's up. Yeah.
01:24:34
Brandon
Like, it looked, you guys really looked like you were trying to fuck each other up.
01:24:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that was the whole point.
01:24:39
Brandon
your Like, it was really really, really, really, really neat.
01:24:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:24:43
Brandon
It looks like a really fun time. Yeah.
01:24:45
Kevin Dougherty
I sent all those comments and stuff to to my buddy who I fought and he was like, oh, these are fucking great. i was like yeah, people think we like really hate each other.
01:24:52
Brandon
that
01:24:53
Kevin Dougherty
Like that's how we wanted it. Like they they said we put on a good show.
01:24:55
Brandon
Yeah.
01:24:56
Kevin Dougherty
So like, yeah.
01:24:57
Brandon
You did. You really did. You really you really did. So, ah yeah, that looked like ah that looked like a lot of fun. I'm jealous. I hope I get to go out to one of those things at some point.
01:25:05
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, my ribs still hurt a little bit. It's been like few weeks, but I got a little bruised ribs.
01:25:08
Brandon
Yeah.
01:25:10
Kevin Dougherty
I got to fucking start training. Like I was telling him, I was like, yo, like once these heal up, like we're just going to start having to hit the gym and tell people where they're training to fight in the Thunderdome.
Conclusion and Social Media Reminder
01:25:22
Brandon
Two men enter, maybe one man leaves.
01:25:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:25:26
Brandon
But anyway, we know this was a bit of a longer cast than usual, but thank you for joining us and follow us on, the you know, all the necessary bullshit. And we will talk to you next time. Peace out. Yeah.
01:25:40
Kevin Dougherty
Peace.