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Kevin Dougherty: All right, welcome back to Fright Central. I'm Doc, back here again, as always, with Keck. And tonight we are going to talk about Alien Earth. ah But first, I do have some news. ah Also, we will be spoiling Alien Earth. you So if you haven't seen it yet, go watch it, then come back and listen to us.
Kevin Dougherty: ah We always recommend that anyway.
Brandon: Yeah, we mentioned the spoilers and stuff like that, but like yeah we expect that if you're listening to a discussion about Alien Earth, that you're here for the discussion and you've either already seen it or you're looking for our opinion to know whether or not you should watch it.
Kevin Dougherty: Well,
Brandon: But like if you're tuning in to any cast for ah topic... like expect there to be spoilers. I think that pretty much goes without saying, don't you?
Brandon: I mean, now um unless you advertise as being spoiler-free, like you should expect like, hey, I'm going to tune in for a discussion on Alien Earth, and I expect that there's going to be no spoilers.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: They're going to discuss all around it like, you know, they've never seen it before. So, I mean, yeah, ah this is a temporary disclaimer, and we're going to soon...
Brandon: assume that the audience is intelligent enough to know that if you're tuning in for a discussion about a topic, you know, there's going to be a discussion about that topic.
Brandon: Fair enough?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I just know some other podcast break it down to a non-spoiler review, and then they do a spoiler review. So we won't be doing that.
Brandon: Well, they're very elegant and, you know, kudos to them, but fuck you.
Kevin Dougherty: so
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: and That's, that's, hey, that's, that's me at least.
Kevin Dougherty: And if you're coming here to listen to our Yellow Jackets review, because we have yet to do Yellow Jackets season three, We've decided we are going to wait until after season four airs, which they also just announced that season four is going to be this the final season.
Kevin Dougherty: So we'll be able to do three and four all in one minute.
Brandon: Really? I thought there was supposed to be five seasons.
Kevin Dougherty: Well, they just announced season four is the final season, so
Brandon: But did they initially say that there was going to be five seasons? I thought we talked about it before on the cast. I thought you had said that um there was supposed to be five seasons. i have that wrong.
Kevin Dougherty: I have no idea. I don't remember that far back to them saying that there was going to be
Brandon: Okay. All right. Yeah, I thought they initially had said there was supposed to be five seasons, but I could be wrong. I'll look ah more into that, and the next time we discuss Yellow Jackets, I'll ah bring that up. But I thought initially they had said there was going to be – well, not initially, but after season three, I thought they had said there was supposed to be five seasons.
Kevin Dougherty: No, I'm glad it's ending with four because, I mean,
Brandon: But like I could have missed their season three. Oh, yeah, I do too. I think i think three would have been alright. I think that they should have been able to wrap this up.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah, I think they could have ended it at three.
Brandon: I thought they'd been really dragging the story out a bit.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: And that's sort of why we kind of, well, that and we weren't sure whether or not we had done season three because we had privately discussed the third season.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: And sometimes it's kind of hard to discern what, you know, you have and have not talked about. ah Something we should
Kevin Dougherty: I don't even remember what we...
Brandon: Probably have archived but
Kevin Dougherty: Because it was so long ago, because our last cast was like the beginning of September, right before i went to Wasteland, i barely remember what we even talked about in the last cast, or even if I've put it up yet.
Kevin Dougherty: So...
Brandon: ah Yeah, more burnouts or burnouts
Kevin Dougherty: That's something I can do. Yeah. Yeah. But ah also, ah Dexter has... Resurrection's been renewed for second season.
Brandon: Yeah, that I mean, I thought ah thought that was official the last time we had mentioned it.
Kevin Dougherty: That has been official.
Brandon: But yeah, I also got um a news alert saying that it had been renewed for a second season. So I guess maybe it wasn't like 100% official before and now it is.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, dude, that would be terrible if they cancelled fucking Original Sin and
Brandon: There's no way that they were going to cancel it considering the reception it got.
Kevin Dougherty: No, mean... No, I'm saying, ah considering they already just cancelled Original Sin because they didn't want competing ones.
Brandon: bridget after Well, who knows?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Who knows?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Because Original Sin had a officially gotten an official renewed for a second season. And then they were like, oh yeah, you know that official renewal?
Brandon: Well, now we're overriding that official renewal with an official cancellation. So we're all, and and just to note on that, be right before doing this cast, like literally hours ago, I checked um to see if there was any um ah response from anybody.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: that had the official authority, like, from the production company or from the studio that has released anything to, like, concretely say, this is why we made that decision to cancel Originals in, and there has not been anything official. So, the only thing out there still is speculation and rumor, and, uh,
Brandon: Because of that, I'm guessing that they're just probably never going to tell us, or it might come out like years later or something like that. But yeah, there's been there's been nothing from anybody that like actually had a hand in the decision-making process that said, you know, this is why we canceled the Original Sin.
Brandon: So it's really it's really, really strange. But the anyway, sorry.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I mean, who knows what will happen depending on whether or not they buy out Warner Brothers and HBO as well.
Brandon: Continue.
Brandon: yeah Yeah, for all we know, it might come it might it might come back again.
Kevin Dougherty: like So things could change again.
Brandon: I mean, i just think with Dexter Resurrection being, and Dexter Resurrection still maintains a strong 9.2 with like hundreds, I think it's got like 100,000 reviews.
Brandon: It has not dropped at all in favorability on IMDb. Like, that's Game of Thrones type numbers. So like, you know, it's just, for me, it's, It's totally feasible with this much interest in Dexter that, like, that show could come back. I mean, I wouldn't count on it.
Brandon: But at this point, with all the different mergers and stuff going on right now, all the different buyouts and stuff like right now, and all the other shade and backroom dealings and stuff, like, I could see Original Sin coming back in a year or something like that.
Brandon: Like, know, don't know.
Kevin Dougherty: Or and I was saying, or they cancel Dexter Resurrection as well.
Brandon: resurrection and then come back with like, you know, Dexter re-resurrection or some shit. Like, don't know.
Kevin Dougherty: but
Brandon: There's a lot of interest in Dexter. So, I mean, yeah um
Kevin Dougherty: I think, how about Dexter Born Again?
Brandon: yeah. Dexter born again where he finds Christ.
Kevin Dougherty: thing Yeah.
Brandon: Oh, God, things are so ridiculous. I mean, I really, you know, I don't know. There is a Christian nationalist movement going on, so who knows?
Kevin Dougherty: i I didn't mean it in the Christian way either.
Brandon: I know he didn't, but that would be funny.
Kevin Dougherty: I don't know. That's what happened in time.
Brandon: but You got riots going on on Hollywood Boulevard right now?
Kevin Dougherty: ah
Kevin Dougherty: I'm not on Hollywood anymore.
Brandon: Oh, yeah, that's right.
Kevin Dougherty: Remember, I'm in Redondo. I don't know.
Brandon: I just hear sirens.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I don't know what's going on over there. But, uh, anyway, moving on. the bit of news I had was, uh, Predator news with Badlands coming out November 7th on November 5th. They will be having a double feature of Prey the first time in theaters, unless you're one of the lucky few that was able to go to the premiere and the Santa Monica that I was at.
Kevin Dougherty: ah
Brandon: I was not one of those lucky features, in case you were wondering.
Kevin Dougherty: that's Not to brag or anything, but yeah. yeah But they will be playing at AMC Theaters on the 5th, so you'll be able to see Badlands early and you'll be able see Prey in theaters.
Kevin Dougherty: I'm hoping to get a ticket for that because I would love to go see that game.
Brandon: and Yeah, i'm I'm going to try to do that double feature as well. I figured that would be like, a I mean, that that would be like a good like double feature for like a date, like the sci-fi horror element and... ah with um you know with the ah with Predator Badlands, um the co-star is, what's the name of the actress?
Kevin Dougherty: Ellie Fanning.
Brandon: ah Yeah, i ah for so I had just watched a movie with Dakota Fanning in it, and I would for i was going to say it was Dakota Fanning, but yeah, Alec Fanning. um you know So, I mean, i think that this is going to be a Predator movie that has like,
Brandon: a little bit of something for everyone um like I mean obviously if like you're interested in the predator universe but I mean I think that this is going to be I mean like I said ah to you and you said to me we're both already sold like with ah killer killers being as successful as it was with prey exceeding everyone's expectations um I'm trying to not have such high expectations because, you know, that usually leads to disaster.
Brandon: If like you want, like, you know.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah. but
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And Dan Trachenberg made 10 Cloverfield Lane as as well, which is also fantastic. So he's like all hits so far. So eventually he's going to have to miss.
Brandon: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: I just hope it's not with Badlands.
Brandon: Got it, yeah. I just hope he doesn't miss on this. I hope if he does miss, it's on something that, like, I care about a lot less than Predator.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Because Predator is, like... I mean, Predator is just, like, one of my favorite concepts of all time. Like, Predator is just one of my favorite...
Kevin Dougherty: I watched character two last night. I just threw it off for the shit.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: I've seen the original Predator all the way through, i would say... I don't want to exaggerate, so I'm going to say probably 350 times, but I think it could have been well over 500 all the way through, beginning and focused on the movie.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: If we were going on clips, it's probably tens of thousands of times.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah Yeah, because that's not a movie I can throw on and pass out to.
Brandon: Wow.
Kevin Dougherty: It's a movie that I end up...
Brandon: Well, I try to do it, but like I learn from my mistakes.
Kevin Dougherty: right
Brandon: Because if I have Predator on, generally, I watch it till the end.
Kevin Dougherty: I told you I was watching Predator the other day and I got up to go to the bathroom and I paused the movie.
Brandon: You know?
Brandon: Yeah, you kind of got it.
Kevin Dougherty: Even though I've seen it a thousand times. Yeah.
Brandon: You kind of of got – I mean, with ah Predator Killer Killers, there's been several times where I turned it on just to watch – because, you know, with Killer Killers, you can easily turn it on and just watch a chapter, like The Shield, The Blade.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: And what was the ah the third one with the mechanic? What was – I can't remember. I can't remember, but –
Kevin Dougherty: Was it a gun or don't know what it was called?
Brandon: The gun, yeah, I think it was, yeah, the gun maybe, and ah I've turned it on several times just to watch the one part, and i watched it all the way to the end.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Or in one part where I watched the Blade, I ended up going back, and I was like, wait, I want to see, i want to compare this to the Shield, and I ended up watching the Shield, then the Blade again, and then the rest of the movie.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: So that's happened two times, where I went back to watch the a later chapter and then they're watching the entire thing again. Yo, man, you got a lot of like sirens and activity.
Brandon: It's a beehive of activity out there.
Kevin Dougherty: It sounded like he was trying to be quiet too when he was passing by. He threw it all for a second like meh and then it just like right as he got there.
Brandon: Yeah. air like
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: I'm trying to high K it, man. I want my presence known. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah He was like, I'm about to creep up on you in the middle of this fucking sentence.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: But... Anyway, oh ah they did also say that... um people And people were flipping out about this online because they're fucking idiots.
Brandon: Oh, please tell me.
Kevin Dougherty: and
Brandon: I love flip outs.
Kevin Dougherty: ah Prior to Badlands is going to be rated
Brandon: That is kind of a big deal, to be honest, to me.
Kevin Dougherty: But because there's no human blood in there.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: That's the only reason. and They said it's still going to be ah violent predator movie, but because there's no humans in it, you get away with, oh, with, with half a body of Ellie Fanning.
Brandon: I was kind of hoping for full penetration.
Brandon: Yeah, well, I wasn't necessarily saying it had to be Ellie Fanning. I mean, I wasn't getting all that.
Kevin Dougherty: ah Well, she's the companion, the half companion on the back.
Brandon: i was na I was talking about predator on predator action.
Kevin Dougherty: but sir Or a predator on one of those giant monster that like, opens and closes his mouth like a Venus fly trap.
Brandon: I wasn't really trying to go there either, but yeah, I mean, but Dr.
Kevin Dougherty: you Whatever the fuck that was.
Brandon: Dolph Lundgren. Anyway. Moving on.
Kevin Dougherty: ah Yeah, that was the last ah thing I had since it was, ah we'll eventually get a predator alien crossover because l a Fanon's character is a synth from, from,
Brandon: Yes.
Kevin Dougherty: Wayland yutani so that's our first like official crossover for this new universe so.
Brandon: Yes.
Brandon: And do we know, um I guess, that in the trailer that I saw for Brother Badlands, at least the most recent one I saw, she seems to be ah rocking, like, a bishop from Alien 3, like, decapitated from the waist down from, like, the very get-go.
Brandon: I don't, I guess we don't know if you actually see how that happens to her in the movie.
Kevin Dougherty: It looks like you do.
Brandon: Okay, you you see like what like.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. i think we I think we will in the beginning because ah she's also playing two parts. her like ah She's playing, i forget what the other character's name was, but it's also a synth, but she doesn't have like the same emotions as the one that we see.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: So, yeah.
Brandon: There there are also seems to, and I mean, I guess we're not going to know whether or not this works or not until, like, we've both seen it, but um it seems like they were also trying to um kind of render her character as, like, some comedy relief relief as well.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Like, it it seems like there were, like, ah there was a lot of, like, ah sarcastic, like, kind of, like, comedy, like, little, like, snide remarks that she had, which... You know, I mean, it goes back to the original Predator.
Brandon: They had to give, like, ah Schwarzenegger the – where he throws the machete and pins the guy to the wall, and he goes, stuck around. You know what I mean?
Kevin Dougherty: yeah Oh yeah, yeah it's it's full yeah it full of one-liners.
Brandon: Like, had to throw in, like, a one letter. But, like, you know, david it seemed it looked like she was kind of gave some comedy relief from the trailers, at least.
Kevin Dougherty: And even in the...
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, even in the Alien movie, Bishop kind of has that...
Brandon: Right.
Kevin Dougherty: like and It's like not and necessarily intentional comedy, it's just because he's like an android and doesn't understand human emotions. Same with Timothy Olofland's character in Alien Earth, which we'll get into.
Brandon: Well, yeah, there is no way that, like, Tim would have that, like, written in the script.
Kevin Dougherty: kind of
Brandon: He'd be like, yeah, there's no comment. Like, there's no, like, I need to have some kind of pompous line in here somewhere.
Kevin Dougherty: i
Brandon: So, i mean...
Kevin Dougherty: yeah yeah but you but you know what i mean it's like there there's scenes with him where he says things or does things that are like that you find funny but like there aren't necessarily like he wouldn't find them funny but like to the audience you'd find it fun yeah yeah yeah that's what i mean
Brandon: Yeah, well, because it's like programming and stuff like that. Yeah, and the anything he has in it, like ah in Alien 3, when Sigourney Weaver asks Lance Hendrickson how he's feeling after she reboots him in that horrid state, and he goes, my legs hurt.
Brandon: You know what mean?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Brandon: Like, he knew to tell that joke, like, you know what I mean?
Kevin Dougherty: Shit like that. Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: So, um but...
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, and even, i think, Alien Romulus, the the the character they um that android was telling like jokes, or trying to tell jokes.
Brandon: The android that was supposed to be, um what's his name from the original Alien? um
Kevin Dougherty: No, not Ash.
Brandon: can't.
Kevin Dougherty: No, I'm not i'm talking about the Black Knight.
Brandon: Not Ash.
Brandon: Oh, the the brother. ah the The brother, yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yes.
Brandon: Well, he was like ah he was supposed to be like an emotional support android.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah,
Kevin Dougherty: yeah yeah.
Brandon: So it would make sense that he would have like a whole bunch of jokes, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, jokes. Yeah. Yeah, so so we don't know what kind of synth she is yet, so to worry.
Brandon: I just hope they don't go overboard with it.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, no, yeah, me too.
Brandon: You know what I mean?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Brandon: ah Based on his previous work, I'm thinking that, like, you know, he wouldn't have put this in there unless he really thought it, like, worked in the story. But, ah you know, this is just speculation, you remains to be seen.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I mean, yeah the American pilot in the Here Comes the Fucking Siren again.
Brandon: Yeah, I know you got lot of activity going on there.
Kevin Dougherty: What? He just waits for it. What the fuck?
Brandon: Whatever.
Kevin Dougherty: It's like a fire truck, but something's burning.
Brandon: It's cool. You live in the hood, you know?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. yeah Yeah, of course.
Brandon: That has to happen right when we do the cast, too. Totally quiet the rest of the day in this, like, one hour period. Like, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: it Just this 10-minute fucking period.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Like, 20 minutes into the episode. But, yeah, i was going to say that... um We don't know what kind of synth yet she is.
Kevin Dougherty: And
Kevin Dougherty: yeah, so that'll ah so well we'll find out in the movie. I hope it's not a a straight like comedy horror. No, I'm sorry.
Brandon: Yeah, well, I mean, I wasn't like, I'm just saying like, you know,
Kevin Dougherty: I know where I lost track. Hold on. It was the you the human pilot in the end of Killer and Killers, his last segment, he had a lot of comedy aspects. And especially when he was in that big but battle at the very end,
Kevin Dougherty: he was kind of the comic relief in that and that portion ah of that final battle. Because remember, he was like, i don't know how this gun works. like
Brandon: Yeah, no, I no i see.
Kevin Dougherty: There's elements like that.
Brandon: I know what you mean. There were elements of that in all the movies.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: I think also, like, with the trailer, they could have just, like, really cherry-picked. You know, when you're putting together a trailer, you're trying to make the film look as as appealing as possible to the most diverse group of people as possible to maximize your attendance.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: yeah yeah
Brandon: You know what I mean? So, i mean, they could have just cherry-picked. like very small, like there could have only been like um a few punchlines like in the entire film, but you know, they just made sure to cherry pick that for the trailer.
Brandon: I don't know. I just hope it worked. It was something I, I just was making note of that, uh, you know, I, saw I saw in the advertisements. So anyway, my expectations are very high.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: I'm just trying to, if you know I'm saying, I'm trying to manage those expectations or that.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah yeah
Brandon: Like I don't ruin the film for myself in advance.
Kevin Dougherty: so you're not like so hyped up that when the movie comes out you're like oh this wasn't as hyped up as i made it out to be but it was still a good movie type of feeling
Brandon: which
Brandon: yeah as long as like it's on the same level as prey I will be happy. If I if i get a film that is about the same level of quality as Prey, I'm expecting it's probably going be better with a larger budget and, you know, a major theatrical release. um You know, it's kind of hard not to think that, like, it should be better, but, like,
Brandon: if it's just the same, i would say, i would take that. Like, you know what I mean?
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: Like, I'd be happy with that. Cause I thought Prey, uh, was, uh, you know, hit on, uh, nearly every cylinder. So, uh, yeah, I'm just, I'm really looking forward to this film.
Brandon: I haven't been to the movies really.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: Uh, it's probably been like ah about two years since I've been in theater. So, uh, I'm really looking forward to this one. So, yeah.
Brandon: Anyway, moving on.
Kevin Dougherty: So yeah, let's get into Alien Earth. So for those who are her not aware, ah the film is set, what is it, 21?
Kevin Dougherty: set two years prior to the events of Alien.
Brandon: Well, just a correction, the series, not not the film, the the series. It was, what was it, eight episodes?
Kevin Dougherty: Yes, the series is eight episodes, yes.
Brandon: Yeah, eight episodes on Hulu, and it was, um who was the creator in, I think he did all the direct, the guy that did Fargo, ah Noah?
Kevin Dougherty: Noah Hawley.
Brandon: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Needed Fargo and Legion, which was really good as well.
Brandon: Yeah, yep, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: ah Yeah, I guess we start there. ah So the IMDB rating of 7.2 out of 10 for the whole series.
Brandon: Yeah, it dropped. It was up there around like 8, and then I saw it fell to 7.5. I kind of disagree with this um this rating. I know that like if you look episode by episode, some episodes were rated like much higher than others.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, like episode five, which we'll talk about as the highest rating of 8.6.
Brandon: But yeah, yeah. yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: I disagree with it getting as low of a rating as it does. I mean, I know horror always gets shit on, and it always kind of takes a nosedive when it comes to the masses.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: But I disagree with, and you know this is so ah a theme that I've been talking about more and more on this podcast, is is that I find myself overall becoming more and more at odds and more distant from the ah mass reviews that we're seeing on IMDb.
Brandon: When I used to kind of take IMDb as gospel, like I would see the review and
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I would still agree with them more. like they're They're still more closely aligned to me than the Rotten Tomatoes, that's for sure.
Brandon: Yes, I was you.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: That was the next sentence that was going to come out.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Brandon: Like, I would say IMDB is probably more aligned with me than any other rating platform that I've seen. Aside from like certain like, very like localized and individualized subreddits and stuff like that, where the community is pretty much already in sync with one another.
Brandon: Like, in terms of, like, mass reviews on, like, a very large platform, I think IMDB is probably the most accurately aligned with me. But, like, yeah, I know what you mean. Like, I'm just saying, like, in general, I've been more and more at odds and more distanced than I used to be with them.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah. I definitely ah agree with that for some things, for sure. ah oh But sorry. um So getting into the show itself, and it's set two two years prior to the original Alien series. So basically, they are, at this point, Sigourney Weaver and the crew have, I believe, have just taken off, or they're at least a year into the
Brandon: oh
Kevin Dougherty: I forget exactly what it what it breaks down to.
Brandon: well, it took them a long time to get to their destination. So like, you know, they would like shove off and then they would go into like hypersleep for like a certain amount of years.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: I know in alien earth, for example, they've been gone, they're deep space research, e still doing biological surveys.
Brandon: And I know that they've been gone for a total 65 years. And, of course, in Aliens, Sigourney Weaver, she was found after, I believe it was 56 or 57 years.
Kevin Dougherty: That's right.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, you're talking about in between the two, yeah.
Brandon: But, yeah, part of that time she was drifting know, her escape shuttle.
Brandon: her escape shuttle ah for that time, so I don't know if it was a total of 57 years she had been gone, or if it was like 57 years plus the initial time that she had um shoved off on with Waylon Industries.
Kevin Dougherty: I'm looking at it right now.
Brandon: I'm not sure if it was total
Kevin Dougherty: It's set in the same year. ah Alien Earth is set the same year that Nostromo left.
Brandon: Okay, so it's same year.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh.
Brandon: i'm just I wasn't sure how long Ripley was gone, told but i mean if you look at like ah the if you look at Aliens, the ah the though director's cut that's got like all the added stuff in it...
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: um it has more information about like the daughter she had just given birth to like i guess the daughter was like uh just learning to talk and like you know it was still like a mommy relationship so she was aware that her mother was leaving she had made promises to her and stuff but like by the time she had gotten back her daughter had like led a full life and died i think she had gotten cancer or something like that
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah. 57 years. Yeah. fifty seven years yeah
Brandon: Yeah, 57 years. So I'm not – what I was trying to say, I'm not sure if she was just drifting in the shuttle for 57 years or if it was a total of 57 years she'd be gone.
Brandon: So ah in the time she left with the company plus her time in the – I'm not sure if it was 57 years total.
Kevin Dougherty: 57 years between since left Earth. the time her in the second one.
Brandon: Yeah, no, I'm talking about something different.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah. fifty nine years since she left earth
Brandon: Yeah. Okay, so it was two years with the company, and then 57 years that she was drifting in the shuttle.
Kevin Dougherty: lifetime you used gear in the second one
Brandon: Okay, yeah, that's what I was, so it was a total of 59 years, and in that time, her daughter, like, lived her life, and
Kevin Dougherty: yeah yeah
Brandon: yeah, she had gotten some kind of, uh, I think she got sick. I think it was like cancer or something and she passed away and she probably would have clipped, uh, her daughter late in life if she had gotten back, uh, and her daughter had not gotten sick.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Um, but I mean, for me, I think I would rather my daughter have already been passed away than like leave her as a little girl and then like get back and she's like 80.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. yeah
Brandon: know what I mean? Like, For me, that would be like a real psychological head fuck. Like, so, I don't know.
Kevin Dougherty: I think it would be for her as well. Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: Yeah, I mean, I'm just, well, that's what I mean.
Kevin Dougherty: I think.
Brandon: If I wasn't her, like, you know, to leave, like, an eight-year-old girl and get back and she's 80, you know what I mean? Or in her, like, 70s or whatever, it would just be, you know, that would be really fucked up to me.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah i meant I meant if you were the kid seeing your mom come back after 80 years with yeah and she was mad young too like the same age yeah that was when she left yeah that would fuck
Brandon: So...
Brandon: Oh, yeah. Yeah, well, you get back and, like... ah Yeah, you're, you're like all this fucking like your mom's like the exact same age. Like, yeah, yeah.
Brandon: Yeah, because at that point, it would feel like you're more of the parent, you know what I mean? Like, it would just be like, oh, my God. Yeah, that's that would be a real head fuck.
Kevin Dougherty: me up too yeah So, uh, so this, uh, series introduces, um, corporation, five different corporations as well.
Kevin Dougherty: And, uh,
Brandon: The only one that I was familiar with was like, I think like I had heard of, um well, Waylon is the one that we're all like very familiar with, like in the Alien Universe. And I did recognize one other. Was it like, was it Tanaka?
Brandon: Or was it something I, do the one that was the Japanese name sounded like, Yutani.
Kevin Dougherty: The Weyland-Yutani,
Brandon: Yeah, that that was what was,
Kevin Dougherty: thats that's the one everyone's familiar with.
Brandon: Yeah, that's what I was familiar with.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah Yeah, they had already, I believe at this point, they're already one company.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: so they Because they used to be two separate companies and they merged.
Brandon: Yeah, see, everybody, like, you know, just like everybody's merging.
Kevin Dougherty: We can't wait on it.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, and then you have Lynch, who we don't ah see in the series at all. ah Dynamic or Threshold are the other two that I don't think are really mentioned that much either. But Prodigy is the one we mostly focus on.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And there's a little bit of Weyland-Yutani that we do see, but it's mostly focused on Prodigy. And this series also introduces the the new, um you know, not new AI, or should I say, like they they introduce new enhanced beings or whatever, if you want to say.
Kevin Dougherty: So we have cyborgs, which are humans enhanced with biomechanical body parts. ah Synthetics, the fully artificial beings with AI intelligence.
Kevin Dougherty: And then hybrids are synthetic synthetic bodies with transferred human consciousness. And that's what it mostly focuses on, is that last one with the company Prodigy.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah,
Brandon: Yeah, I mean, it can get, like, kind of confusing. i mean, for me, I was just looking at it as, like, you know, the hybrids, like, people with, like, machine parts, like, we're going to start seeing that, like, very, I mean, we are ready in certain, like,
Brandon: like in certain rare instances, we're already seeing that here on Earth, um you know, people with pacemakers and stuff like that, you know, but that that technology is starting to advance here.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah. yeah
Brandon: So in the, you know, coming decades, we're going to start seeing um people that are part robot, um you know, in the in the not too distant future.
Brandon: ah But for me, I mean, i was just looking at as like, you know, people, you know, normal, like fully organic people. And, you know, then you had your hybrids and then i was just calling everything else robots.
Brandon: Like I wasn't going to like ah for me, it's just all a lot to make like the distinction between like fully synthetic and then synthetic.
Kevin Dougherty: oh Yeah.
Brandon: But like, you know, you have a human mind that has been upload it into like a drive inside that, you know, so I was just going like, you know, you're either like, you're either really, I mean, it could just be like organics and synthetics.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: I mean, just because you have like a few robotic parts, like i don't think that necessarily should like label you a cyborg, but like, it seemed like ah within this universe,
Brandon: there seemed to be like a lot of like phobia and discrimination against people that were like part man and part machine. Like you heard them say like, oh, he's a cyborg. Like, you know what mean? Like it was, yeah there seemed to be like a bit of like,
Brandon: class, i I guess you can't call it racism. I'm i'm not sure what the what the term would be, but people were definitely critical of people that had had a certain degree of synthetic alteration, for lack of a better word.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: ah I also think it's they're also like the older tech as well, so they kind of outdated because when you when you get that confrontation between the cyborg and and Yutani,
Brandon: Okay.
Kevin Dougherty: That's not really a conversation, but the conversation that they have where he's like, ah yeah, I'm looking for Yutani. And she's like, I am Yutani. You're thinking my mother. Like, he's been around long enough to know when...
Brandon: Grandmother. brent and Her grandmother.
Kevin Dougherty: their Yeah, grandmother. Yeah. So he's been around for a long time.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: i think I think since are are probably the second ones that have been around for forever. And then the hybrids are are pretty new. And I mean, you do have to kind of make a distinction between the three because, again, one is fully computer you know intelligence and the other one is human mind inside a fully synthetic body.
Kevin Dougherty: you know It's just a transfer of consciousness. It's not an artificial consciousness. And then the cyborgs, because apparently in this series, ah if you still have like any human or organic parts to you, that the aliens will sniff that out and destroy you.
Kevin Dougherty: Because apparently they don't notice the fucking...
Brandon: I guess. I mean, it's really up to the viewer. I mean, to me, you're a person or you're a robot. I mean, that's just the way I took it. I didn't really see any real big difference.
Brandon: um But yeah, I mean, obviously they're they ah went to lengths to point out ah the differences between the technology that they had. Like with Prodigy, he was talking about this as being like the newest technology.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: He talking about the human consciousness put in ah robotic, a fully robotic body. um This is being looked at as the next evolution ah to humanity because the reason they're doing this is to allow um humans to invent like things like... um For example, faster than light travel, it gives a person the ability to
Kevin Dougherty: It gives them it people eternal life. The rich people.
Brandon: Yeah, they said that you wouldn't necessarily get eternal life, but like you'd be able to live for like hundreds or maybe even thousands of years.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: You know what I mean? They said there would be like some lifespan, but like, yeah, I mean, someone could go on and I mean, you might even be able to transfer that consciousness to a new body.
Kevin Dougherty: but the
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. You would be able to just keep transforming.
Brandon: You know what mean?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: So, I mean, we don't know, but like, yeah, I mean, you would be able to live for the foreseeable future, you know, unless,
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, the ah the inforeseeable future.
Brandon: down
Kevin Dougherty: um The other thing that they make a distinction of is that it doesn't work on adult minds. It only works on children's minds.
Brandon: at the At present, yeah, at where they are with the technology now.
Kevin Dougherty: At the time, at the time, yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: So, yeah, that that's kind of ah you know kind of a cutoff, you know what I mean?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: like you know if So, like you really want to be a child at that point, I guess.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: yeah think that That's the key. Or, um well, I think...
Kevin Dougherty: ah Specifically a dying child. ah
Brandon: Well, at that point, but that was just how they did the sample. Like, that's how they got the consent, like from kids that were dying, that they were terminally ill, didn't have much time left.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: I guess they got the family to basically sign the child away um and, you know, to give it life. And they were supposed to never have contact with the family again.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. They told them that they told him they were all dead.
Brandon: And that, of course, gets...
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Yeah, that that of course gets like totally fucked. But, um you know, um yeah, I mean, it was an interesting concept so ah that, you know, and I believe that the overall goal, though, was to piggyback off the technology if it was successful in integrating the children into the synthetics.
Brandon: And they were hoping to eventually eventually make that available for anyone that wanted to be transferred.
Kevin Dougherty: Yes, yes. that That was their angle. Absolutely.
Brandon: They just weren't yet. They're just not there yet. And they called them floor models. I think he probably you actually, like the codename was the Lost Boys, which you know you know from the movie.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yes.
Brandon: So like, yeah, this was the very early stages to this new like groundbreaking technology. They said they developed it over a decade. So it was 10 years work.
Kevin Dougherty: Yes. So then, ah I would like, don't, I'm not sure how to go about maybe we can just jump to episode five. Cause that's kind of like episode five kind of shows you what happened prior the first couple episodes.
Brandon: Yeah, well, before we just before we jump to that, I mean, in between, from from where we start off, um episodes one to four, five is like a flashback.
Brandon: And that like tells you like how they got to where they're at now. Because episode one, it starts with a crash of the two stages, basically.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, yeah. Sorry, I didn't realize we didn't get that far.
Brandon: breath Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: good
Brandon: All right. So ah setting it up, there's a crash into the city of the Deep Space Research Measual. And, you know, that's got all the alien. It's got the original xenomorph, and it's got a whole bunch of like cool critters on there.
Brandon: That's one thing that um I didn't initially plan to talk about, but I would say I was really impressed.
Kevin Dougherty: Yes.
Brandon: with ah the sample selection that they brought back for the show. I thought all the creatures that they had were really, really interesting. Even the ones that they didn't really get into that much and show you like how they worked and everything.
Brandon: like All the creatures I thought were impressive. I thought the leeches were cool. I thought that one plant thing that was like hanging from the ceiling.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, that just eats entire people.
Brandon: i don't They didn't really get into that that much, but everything seemed... Really, really cool. The eyeball was fucking awesome.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. I think the...
Brandon: The way it worked, the way they show how it worked, that was really neat.
Kevin Dougherty: I think the eyeball kind of stole the show from the aliens, in my opinion.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: But yeah, the eyeball was definitely a fan favorite for this season.
Brandon: Yeah. ah
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: I even like those like more like those more things that like ate the fucking mechanical parts from like the Android and shit.
Brandon: Yeah, the eyeball was cool.
Brandon: Yeah. Yeah. yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: They, like, ah the ones that, like, vomit it, like they're think like, the one that, like, dissolved the guy's face. And I guess the only thing I wanted to, ah before we get into the flashback, in episodes one to four, um I thought those were the strongest episodes.
Brandon: I thought that introduction, especially, like, Timothy Alphonse character, like, I thought, i mean, he... He's one of my favorite actors, and I thought that he brought so much depth to that character of, and just for context, Timothy, he was just a built robot, right?
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Yes, yes, he is a full synth.
Brandon: He was just a full synthetic.
Kevin Dougherty: Yes.
Brandon: Yeah. So he is your bishop. He is your ash. Yeah. from the from the other Alien movies, and I thought his character was tremendous, because he really seemed to, I mean, he had, like, his one-liners, he had that, like, element of humor that he could bring, but for the most part, he was, like, just real straight-faced,
Brandon: And for a while, I didn't know what his scene was.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: I thought he was maybe like, you know, going through like, you know, a mental, like some kind of hardware breakdown, like a hardware software combo breakdown, like where all the synthetics always seem to go berserk in alien movies.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: Like, because, you know, at one point prodigy is going to him, like, is there a problem? And he's like, watching like the creatures like eat like the one kid like you know melting his face and like
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: killing everybody. And he's seeing that like the alien has like, um, the xenomorph had like, uh, jumped on one of the guy's faces and all this like really pissed chaotic shit is going on.
Brandon: And, uh, like, yeah, I was, and dude's like, uh, is everything okay? And he's just like, yep, everything's fine. That's he's like watching. I'm like, Oh dude, he's going nuts.
Brandon: But like, nah, he was just observing and doing his job.
Kevin Dougherty: it
Kevin Dougherty: yeah Yeah, I also think he i also think he didn't doesn't like the hybrids.
Brandon: and
Kevin Dougherty: I don't think he's a...
Brandon: you got that ah yeah yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I think he ah think he might also feel like they're taking... like taking They're there the next replacement. like They're not going to want to build or make other synths again, you know what I mean?
Kevin Dougherty: ah like They're just going to phase them out and get rid of them if they're just going to replace them with hybrids.
Brandon: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: But yeah so yeah, I really like the ah the first four as well. um You obviously get into Wendy Moore, who's like the main character, who can like apparently um like hack into computers and video monitors just by looking at them or whatever. then she... like can learns the language of the aliens, starts speaking to them.
Kevin Dougherty: These are the parts I didn't like. I feel like she was way too overpowered.
Brandon: Yeah, I mean, I guess that's something we should talk about, too, is the um relationship between, like, the – I'm just going to call them synthetics um for lack of – I'm just going to call them the hybrids or whatever.
Kevin Dougherty: They're hybrids.
Brandon: i don't know. It's just a lot of different – anyway.
Kevin Dougherty: It's three things.
Brandon: Yeah. The characters between um the robots and the aliens and ah yeah the language and talking and the weird, yeah, I mean, it gets like kind of strange. It's a real lot to just break down in like a normal discussion. But if you've already seen this, which we assume you have, you know what we mean. And yeah, I kind of,
Brandon: I don't really know how I felt about that. I thought that was a little bit strange. I don't understand like why the aliens were talking to her and her only.
Brandon: I thought that was like kind of weird. I didn't really think that worked in my opinion.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, like, I could see if, like, she was able to, like, you know, because she's kind of, like yeah like, we said, she's a hybrid.
Brandon: um
Kevin Dougherty: like So she can, like, access, you know languages and stuff. I could understand her eventually learning what that language was.
Brandon: But no one else did at all, not even slightly.
Kevin Dougherty: But, yeah.
Brandon: No one else had any other interaction whatsoever.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. But her, like... using the language to control them and the fact that she could like just hack any system by just like, you know, thinking about it really.
Kevin Dougherty: She didn't have to like actually touch anything.
Brandon: No one else had that ability even remotely.
Kevin Dougherty: Well, yeah. i was like, why are we giving her all the fucking abilities? Like, yeah ah and she's a good fucking alien.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: She can kill the aliens really well too. Like give her one thing, make her good at one thing, not fucking everything. give Like give the other characters like something to do.
Brandon: Yeah, she had everything. The other characters had nothing. The other characters were very, very passive. I mean, the one goes berserk. um the The redhead girl, I can't remember what her name was.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, because she almost had the fucking eye go into her and just fucking in traumatized her.
Brandon: Yeah, she, like, suffers, like, trauma.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: But that actually made sense because they're kids in the body, so, like, you know, it would be normal.
Kevin Dougherty: Yes, it does. Yes. Yeah.
Brandon: The other aspect that they bring into it, and this made sense to me, is that the kids would miss their families.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: And it's kind of unrealistic to think that, like, you know, you could um take a bunch of children away from their families, give them new identities, and then say, oh hey, you know, you're basically at summer camp for the rest of your life on this weird research island.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, you're not allowed to leave, yeah.
Brandon: You also had the one that was, like, um Tim O'Flandt's assistant, in a scientific lab, and I'm thinking, you know, the one that wants to change his name to Isaac after Isaac Newton, and I'm thinking, like, how do you think that this is suddenly going to qualify the children to be, like, intense, like, advanced scientists? Now, I realize that they were able to upload programs and stuff into them. Like, one of them was able to learn to speak fluent French in an afternoon.
Brandon: So, you know, you're able to do stuff like that. But, like, to be a scientist, like, you you have to ah get, like, vast amounts of experience.
Brandon: Like, the art of deduction over experimentation over a prolonged period of time through scientific observations is how you you know, become a scientist. Like, I don't think you can just suddenly quantify somebody by uploading...
Brandon: ah programs into him, and it seemed like he, like, went from...
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, that's pretty much what the synths are, though. They're artificial intelligence, but they're not.
Brandon: Yeah, but, like, they had said that, like, for example, Timothy Afflant's character, who, you know, was built aesthetically, he had been alive, they said, for, like, hundreds of years up to that point.
Kevin Dougherty: You can, like, go to school. Yeah.
Brandon: And, you know, he was, and he had
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: a lot of laboratory experience. Like he was pretty much like born in the lab and you know, his whole existence was based on like scientific observation.
Brandon: So the like, ah so the version of him, not only did he have all that software up added into his system, he had like a hundred plus years of actual experience.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I'm just saying, I think the kids have, they have access to fucking files and shit. Like, that wasn't that out it.
Brandon: I guess, but it's it seemed like he was still a moron.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Brandon: You know what I mean? like He didn't seem like he was like, ah yeah, the wavy lines, like after they put the eyeball into the sheep, which was a scene that I really liked, the eye going into the lamb, the sacrificial lamb.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. yeah every Every fucking eye scene was fucking great.
Brandon: Yeah, it was.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: I like how the eye always knocks the old eyeball out right away.
Kevin Dougherty: and
Brandon: Like, you know I mean?
Kevin Dougherty: yeah yeah
Brandon: Like, that was funny to me. But, ah you know, for a kid who is supposed to have all this software, like, installed in into him to be, like, a research assistant, like, he's like, oh, yeah, like, look at how all the wavy lines have gotten, like, a lot more intense. And he's like, yeah, those are gamma waves.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: They indicate problems. Like, whatever software they were putting into him, they certainly didn't make him very articulate as a scientist. like i
Kevin Dougherty: hear that yeah
Brandon: So, I mean, it was there was a lot of, like, ah yeah, i you know, a lot of stuff. Like, for everything that worked, it seemed that there were several other things that really didn't work, in my opinion.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah. yeah my Yeah, my just major problem was the just giving Wendy, like, everything.
Brandon: everything and yeah and she got none of the trauma because all those kids would have suffered trauma like you know that was the thing they would send them into an active crash site like it was basically a military operation you know i mean it's like they had no training you know they obviously didn't you know it was just a very bizarre thing and even the characters questioned that decision making
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, like, these are, brand like you said, they're brand new floor models. He's like, yeah, let's just send them in as a test run to this fucking...
Brandon: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Like, you haven't tested them out in any type of, like, combat situations, like, in your own lab yet. You're gonna just send them into this real-world fucking, like, rescue.
Brandon: Yeah, it was ridiculous, and they even quit.
Kevin Dougherty: Just to see how they react. Like, yeah.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, it seemed like there
Brandon: What was your opinion of the boy genius, Prodigy?
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, I thought he was great as a character.
Brandon: Yeah, I had mixed feelings.
Kevin Dougherty: Like...
Brandon: Like, he seemed, for a genius, he really sort of acted like an idiot to me a lot. ah Like, he just, I mean, he was like a pompous ass.
Kevin Dougherty: Because he thought he was smarter than everyone. Yeah, that was the problem.
Brandon: Yeah, and he he was, like, extremely arrogant ah about that.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. And he wasn't. Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: I guess that was sort of, but, like, i don't know.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: He didn't really, i don't know. He didn't really act, like, very, i don't know. He didn't act in, like, a very technical manner. He wasn't, like, very articulate in his speech.
Brandon: he didn't really, i don't know, he didn't really say anything that I thought was like, oh yeah, you know, this is obviously the visionary who would have like created this. Like, i don't know.
Brandon: I guess I was looking for more of like, um, someone like very wise for his years, like Lance Hendrickson as a child.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah yeah yeah i bought him i i bought him as character i like this character yes
Brandon: Like, you know what I mean? you're Like that's where, like, don't know, like his character. Yeah. I, Yeah, I guess I didn't. that That was something that I really, I thought that ah his character didn't really work for me.
Kevin Dougherty: because like up for the first couple episodes you think like he's you think he's a good guy in the first couple episodes
Brandon: I never did.
Kevin Dougherty: No, I never never either.
Brandon: I never thought he was a good guy.
Kevin Dougherty: ah Because A, he's some corporate guy. But I mean, he thought that that's kind of how they portray him at the beginning when he's you know you know he's helping these kids you know live.
Brandon: Yeah. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: So yeah like he's coming off that way. But then when we get to episode five, which is the episode we've been trying to talk about, ah is though the what leads up to the crash.
Kevin Dougherty: And you find out that on board somebody not only sabotaging the ship, but they're like you know stealing information as well. And on top of that, one of the fucking aliens has gotten out as well. So you do see pretty much alien again, but you also get that extra element of sabotage from somebody on board, and then you find out that it was...
Kevin Dougherty: ah you know, that the prodigy kid, you know, was the one behind it, behind the crash and everything and purposely.
Brandon: yeah Yeah, yeah that that was that was a neat twist. I wanted to ask your opinion about episode five.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: How did you feel about the way they were conducting scientific experiments aboard the research festival? Because I thought it was just so fucking bungled. like They all seemed like total bungling idiots. like You would want to hire the best of the best.
Brandon: If you're spending billions of dollars on a 65-year deep search, you want to have detailed psychological breakdowns of every person you're putting on that mission.
Kevin Dougherty: Well, yeah, sure, when you leave, but you...
Brandon: You would want the scientist to be the best scientist in the world that would go on this. You're spending all that money. And it seemed like the laboratory conditions, how the leeches got out, the eyeball got out. Everything was escaping.
Brandon: Like, they didn't have them in, like, fucking unbreakable glass. They had it in, like, normal, like, the glass that you would have, like, your pints, like your kitchenware.
Brandon: It was just really ridiculous. I was just like, wait, what the fuck? Like...
Kevin Dougherty: It's just corporations cutting corners there.
Brandon: But the thing is, is like you would not be cutting those corners because you were putting so much.
Kevin Dougherty: no
Brandon: And it was like everybody they had on there. You had a pervert, the Chinese guy who is like creeping around, like masturbating to like that sleeping girl.
Brandon: And then you had the engineers that were all like psychologically breaking and they want to flush. the specimens, and then the other one that was the saboteur, you had just complete disorganization. When the captain dies, the backup captain, you found that she was ah in having an affair with somebody, and hey, that I can understand that happening.
Brandon: I can understand like some people like you know after all that time you know hooking up with one another, you're always going to have something like that.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, but I also get that whole being out there for so long you're going fucking nuts. fucking Yeah.
Brandon: Everybody went nuts. Like you had a complete breakdown. And the thing is, is you weren't out there for all that time because a lot of that time they were asleep in cryostasis.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: So it's not that they were awake for 65 years.
Kevin Dougherty: No, but still.
Brandon: For the most part, they were asleep.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, still, you don't know what that we don't know what that does to you, you know what i mean, for being up in space that long?
Brandon: Like they were only up
Brandon: Yes, you do.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: They've had that technology for centuries. They've been using that technology for hundreds of years.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: not talking about the hypersleep. I'm just bit of saying you don't know you just being in space for that long with the same amount of people...
Brandon: Yes, they do. They've been doing that for centuries. They've had countless successful expeditions to other plants. And this was a privately funded best of the best thing. And I just look, I know you had to do that.
Brandon: Otherwise, the whole show wouldn't have worked. You had to have bungling and stuff like that.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: I thought that that episode was brilliant. I loved every second of it. But at the same time, I'm thinking, like, you couldn't find... like a little bit more of like a better like story as to how everything unfolded other than you hired a crew of complete incompetence that bungled everything. Like you had that one kid that like was like just a total fucking moron and eating ramen and like,
Brandon: I was just like, Jesus Christ, they're all bungling idiots.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: Like everything that could go wrong did go wrong. From the way the characters were disobeying orders to the breakdown the chain of command to the equipment that they brought.
Brandon: I was just like, what the fuck? Quarantine procedures, the whole safeguarding of Like, I don't know.
Kevin Dougherty: that's happening That's happened in every fucking alien movie.
Brandon: Yeah, I know.
Kevin Dougherty: It happens in the first movie.
Brandon: And hey, it worked. I loved every second of it.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: I'm just, but I was thinking like, I'm like, dude, basically the only competent person it seemed was Morrow. That was it.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: Like if it wasn't for him, mean, my goodness gracious, I would have hated to see what happened.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah I like how they knew how to stop it but it with like the electric with like the tasing and like the netting. I thought that was really cool.
Brandon: Yeah, that was really cool. I had never seen the netting before.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah. So I thought that was a cool thing they brought to so the Alien franchise.
Brandon: Yeah, I was wondering if, like, he was going to, when he first started spraying the netting, because that was really neat.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah.
Brandon: It was, like um like, this material that kind of foamed over the alien and kind of, like, just made, like, a natural cocoon on the alien. Similar to the cocoon that the alien seems to be able to secrete in the various movies.
Brandon: Like, you even see it in the show when not his brother is kind of, like, restrained to the trailer. in the third episode, I believe, ah the alien has like that saliva that it you cocoon people.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: You never really see people get cocooned in any of the alien movies until after it happens, but you know, you kind of deduce how they would do it. They like secrete something.
Brandon: But ah yeah, that netting was really cool because I had seen them freeze aliens in other movies, like using like liquid nitrogen, but that was really fucking neat.
Brandon: um The only other thing I wanted to mention about that crew was ah the character Morrow, the cyborg.
Brandon: He seemed to be about as cool as a cucumber under pressure. Like, you know, he talked about the alien sensing fear.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: I don't know if you ever see that mentioned in the other alien movies. You may. It certainly is inferred that they do. But I don't know if anyone ever mentions it. He is calm as fuck.
Brandon: He's like, mother, I need the impact room. He gets in there. That alien gets close as hell to his face. He even spits on him.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: And he doesn't even flinch. He doesn't even blink, yo.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: Like, that motherfucker was a good investment for fucking Waylon. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, and he's just a cyborg. He's not even like the synth or anything like that.
Brandon: yeah Yeah, and you had mentioned his backstory.
Kevin Dougherty: So be able to like...
Brandon: He had, like, cerebral palsy, I think you said, like the grandmother. art
Kevin Dougherty: I said that?
Brandon: it Tanaka?
Kevin Dougherty: Yutani.
Brandon: Weyland. It's Weyland-Yutani.
Kevin Dougherty: Waylon Yutani.
Brandon: Sorry, I was calling it Tanaka.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: That's from another movie. um Yeah, Weyland-Yutani. It mentions that the grandmother finds him, like, begging on the street or something like that.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Brandon: Like sick kid. I think you had mentioned he had, like, cerebral palsy or something. And, like, I think the grandmother, like, pays for his, like, cybernetic upgrades and stuff like that.
Brandon: That was really, I mean, that was a great investment, you know, because he, and they have his backstory. He has a daughter who, you know, obviously he's out there for,
Brandon: 65 years and he's like everybody I know and love is dead so I have no friends or anything like that but uh yeah I mean he's like she even says oh you should have read your contract he's like I'm not complaining I'm trying to complete this mission I'm not trying to come back I have a recruited asset I have an in I'm gonna get in there I'm gonna get our shit back and I'm going to kill that prodigy motherfucker.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: He's a badass.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: He was my favorite character.
Kevin Dougherty: Absolutely. Yeah. Him and Timothy Olfant were my two favorites.
Brandon: like
Kevin Dougherty: Absolutely. The, what was the other? Yeah, I guess we can talk about the ending, the final episode.
Brandon: Yeah, I apologize. i was i really like the characters in this, and I know I've kind like ranted on and on, but like before this cast, like i I've watched the series twice over, and I've watched episode five about three or four times now.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, yeah.
Brandon: And yeah, I mean, i know I've talked a lot of shit about like what I didn't like about this show, but I think that the future of this show has a lot of potential.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: I gotta say that, I mean, they definitely bundled up the the final episode. It felt a little rushed with like, you know, the alien gets out onto the island and then they're like searching around, but it's just like real random.
Brandon: Yeah. yeah Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: I don't know. It's the...
Brandon: Well, and it was eight episodes, Kev?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: It wasn't seven?
Kevin Dougherty: Yes.
Brandon: You're certain it was eight. So after episode five, we have another three episodes.
Kevin Dougherty: It was neat.
Brandon: Yeah. And so episodes six, seven, and eight, I didn't like it much.
Kevin Dougherty: you learn ah You learn Prodigy, that you learn the kid's backstory where he didn't like his father, so we built a synth who is the the
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: ah like who looks like his butler for most of the show. You're not really sure what the guy's scene is, and you find out towards the end of it that he was a full-on synth as well. I believe he built him to replace his dad, and I believe he had him kill his dad and become his new father for the next
Brandon: Yeah.
Brandon: Yeah, you kind of got the feeling that he was a henchman.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: you know Yeah, and i never I never saw it, but you you spoke highly of that.
Kevin Dougherty: ah But I believe he was like the first. And if you've ever watched the British ah series, The Young Ones, he's Vivian ah from The Young Ones.
Brandon: um Yeah, I mean, i i guess one thing that I might argue is that um I would have probably liked to see a little bit more of his character in this.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: um because he he was a little little bit of one of the more obscure characters. He didn't have as much screen time as I would have liked because he seemed to be very interesting.
Kevin Dougherty: Did
Brandon: I liked the actor. um He was a very intimidating presence. And I thought we could have used little more Cowbell with him in it. I don't really
Kevin Dougherty: did he die? Or was he just incapacitated, I think, when we last seen him?
Brandon: i don't I don't recall, but I would say also, ah before I forget, one thing I did like.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, I remember what happened. The eye.
Brandon: ah what
Kevin Dougherty: The eye got into the hymn, didn't it?
Brandon: No, no, no. The eye ends up crawling into the us the dead scientist on the beach that hatched the second xenomorph.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, yeah, that's right.
Brandon: That's where the eye is.
Kevin Dougherty: Okay. Yeah.
Brandon: They tried to put the eye into the brother. We didn't really touch on the character brother and sister thing, but I really don't think that merits much discussion.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: I really, um I think it's realistic that like she would have wanted a relationship with her brother.
Kevin Dougherty: No.
Brandon: For the sake of the show, I really don't think it worked. That was like one of my like, like lesser. You know, like my least favorite ah dynamics was the thing between the two of them.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Like, obviously, all those children would have wanted their families. And that's like a concept that they brought up.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, and he didn't know that she was still alive and like and all that stuff.
Brandon: Yeah, I it just yeah, I mean, and Prodigy didn't like that either. Like, he was like, oh, the brother.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, he was still a... I think he was still an interesting character in himself where he was like stuck working for the corporation and coming out of the office.
Brandon: yeah Oh, yeah, because that's like ah something you see like in Romulus. You brought that up a bunch about how Waylon is like a real fucked up company where they like to prey on people that don't have family and don't have the means.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: Like, you know what i mean? Like in Romulus where they trick that girl.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, they just keep extending your fucking contract.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Yup. Like, without, like, nah, like, sorry, your ah request has been rejected, and we've just involuntarily and arbitrarily added an additional five years.
Brandon: Have a nice day.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: Like, what the fuck?
Kevin Dougherty: you no You have no say over it.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. yeah
Brandon: It's like ah that, and... dumb Do you want to get talk a little bit um about the relationship between Morrow and what did they call his name? um The Indian boy. What was his name?
Brandon: It was like Flurry.
Kevin Dougherty: I know we're not exactly like.
Brandon: It was something. I can't remember his name. It was, I want to say Flurry, but I know it wasn't Flurry. um Hurry. what What the fuck was his name?
Kevin Dougherty: You have a fucking computer right in front of you.
Brandon: I don't, I should have the IMDb.
Kevin Dougherty: but Slightly.
Brandon: Slightly, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Slightly was his name. um ah Because it that was something that was a bit interesting to me.
Kevin Dougherty: No, was it slightly?
Brandon: Yeah, it was Slightly.
Kevin Dougherty: No, slightly was the the black eye.
Brandon: No, Slightly was the Indian kid. Yeah, alright, anyway. Slightly.
Kevin Dougherty: dar oh yeah, sorry, I hit the wrong one.
Brandon: Morrow touches him and puts like a tracker into his neck. And that allows him to be able to communicate with Slightly over, like, long period like long distances.
Brandon: Like, he was able to, like, basically hack into his comms and communicate with him at any time he wanted.
Kevin Dougherty: Yes.
Kevin Dougherty: yes
Brandon: And, but, uh, Timothy Aflant's character, uh, recognized that there was this surveillance and he was actively monitoring the communication the entire time, but took absolutely no action.
Brandon: Uh, because he was like luring Morrow into a grand trap. And that's what I wanted to ask you about before we wrapped up was, um, I thought a really interesting scene was the scene in the elevator between Timothy O'Flaunt and Morrow, where ah they had a very hostile exchange, where Morrow was talking about how he loved to kill synthetics, because they felt no pain, and he could, like,
Brandon: chop piece after piece off of them and stuff. And then Timothea Thorn's like, really? I thought, like, the pain and suffering would have been the whole point.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Like, I mean, I really, really like that scene. I thought that would real.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I really like their exchanges the whole time. And then then they then their fight as well was great, too.
Brandon: Yeah.
Brandon: Yeah. Oh, God, i totally we forgot about that. Yeah, they really yoke you. like you fly get
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Like, doesn't he, like, break his back over, like, that thing?
Kevin Dougherty: yeah Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, on like a table. Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: Yeah, I totally forgot about that.
Kevin Dougherty: You watched it twice. You forgot about that scene. Yeah.
Brandon: Yeah, well, you know, there was a lot going on. I watched episode five several times, and I was sort of more fixated on the first four episodes than I was the last three.
Brandon: Um, I, I especially did not like how, um, the alien became like the, uh, one hybrids Wendy's pet, Wendy Macy.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Like how she was able to say like, all right, I want you to like help us stealth kill anybody that like tries to fuck with us and like follow.
Brandon: Like, I don't know like what her like end game was for that. And like, I have no idea what that, where they were going with that.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah so
Brandon: Like, writers, I think, went a little bonkers there. I'm not really sure, like, what they were trying to achieve with that. And um the other kid that they had to... um That they did the memory wipe to, to, like, try to erase her trauma during the crash, she... Well, they erased her memories, but they sure as fuck didn't fix her. Because she, like, starts to go berserk and shit like that. And, like, yeah, I mean...
Brandon: There is definitely, yeah, there is definitely going to be like some like long term, like unforeseen consequences to the shady like experimentation with this ah technology that they're doing. Because she was, yeah, she was very, very, very damaged.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: And I didn't get the idea that any of them were doing any favors for their mental health by what they were doing. And in the final scene, they kind of like basically take everybody prisoner, and then they imply that they're going to, quote, rule.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: So I didn't like that.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah I mean, I'm looking forward to the next season, and see where it goes.
Brandon: that Do we know if there's going to be a next season?
Kevin Dougherty: It hasn't been confirmed yet, but they have already started working on ideas for the second season is what I've gotten so far.
Brandon: So that's positive that's positive that there's ideas.
Kevin Dougherty: i mean, yeah, yeah.
Brandon: Um, Do
Kevin Dougherty: Like, I mean, they were already talking to the studio, I want to say, about like ideas for the second season if if they were to get renewed, but there is no official word yet. We'll obviously tell you when there is an official word.
Brandon: I don't think... Hulu doesn't seem to have a whole lot of shows compared to the other networks, like especially original programming. So I'm hoping that that might give it a little bit more of a boost.
Brandon: um You know, because...
Kevin Dougherty: Well, it was an FX show, which FX and Hulu and all them, they're all owned by Disney now.
Brandon: um but
Kevin Dougherty: So, and it's all on the Disney app.
Brandon: I'm just saying, it streams exclusively on Hulu, right?
Kevin Dougherty: yes Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: So i don't, I guess compared to the other streaming services, I feel like Hulu doesn't have as much original content as like, you know, for example, like Prime or Max or Netflix and stuff like that.
Brandon: So I was thinking like maybe that might give it a little bit of ah an extra boost. But I mean, I think that the show deserves a second season on merit.
Kevin Dougherty: don't know. I would just disagree with you on that. I think Kulu has a lot of original series.
Brandon: does it Well, I guess maybe I don't know is ah no as much.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, you don't really stream much.
Brandon: drop Yeah, i don't I don't really pay as much attention to Hulu as I do because like i feel like i guess like Netflix and the other um the other streaming companies seem to have like a little bit more exclusive content that's tailor tailored to my desires.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: But the I think that this show deserves a second season on Merit alone.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Absolutely.
Brandon: and, um, I'm just worried that they might shit can it because it did end very poorly. I think on IMDB, the final episode, I think was like 6.5 or 6.6.
Brandon: And usually you want like the first episode and the last episode to be some of your most popular, your most highly rated. Um, that's generally the format you go for to engage the audience. But, uh,
Brandon: I feel like it ended on a very, like, negative note, and it seems like so did the rest of the audience. So that that's my concern, is that it's not going to get related.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, well, hopefully it's another season so they can, like, you know, fix that.
Brandon: Yeah, I hope so as well.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: um Is there any thing that ah that we missed that you want to discuss? Is there, like, any, like, major, like, you know, the coach burning down the –
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I'll just say...
Brandon: the house at the end of Yellow Jackets that we forgot to mention. Yeah,
Kevin Dougherty: I'm sure we'll think of it, like, you know, after we get off of the air.
Brandon: i
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: yeah I can't think of anything major. um I guess the only other the other scene that i liked, i wish there was a little bit more of... um the ah The Japanese woman, Yutani, I wish there was like a little bit more set in her realm.
Kevin Dougherty: u tony Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: like Because it looked like she had like this really cool like kind of like skyland metropolis. like They show the one scene where Mara goes to check in
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: And there's that really great shot from like outside the skyscraper. that kind of shows, like, it kind of looked like the Cloud City from Star Wars, almost.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: Like, I mean, they had literal skyscrapers.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah I kind of like how I i do wish that it was more focused on Weyland and Yutani, but at the same time, I do like how they keep that little bit more of a mystery and they're slowly revealing on time, over time, instead of just like giving you all this lore dump on Yutani.
Brandon: And I was like, you know, that's fat.
Brandon: Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah there was a mess breaker.
Kevin Dougherty: I like keeping this kind of mystery. like You know they're a fucking shady corporation already. so
Brandon: Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, they're all shady corporations.
Kevin Dougherty: like You don't need... Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: They obviously didn't, like, fix the world, like you said.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Like, you know what I mean? Like, they got in there and, like, they pretty much, like, just, you had the takeover of democracy.
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, they were bringing back these aliens. Yeah, they were bringing back these alien species to weaponize them.
Brandon: Yeah, no.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. okay
Brandon: Like, he says, like, the one dude's like, wouldn't it be better if we just rid ourselves of all this and just gave it back to Yutani? And he's like, nah, I'm not trying to, like, give her her shit back only to have, like, a fucking, like, xenomorph in my belly a year later or something like that.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: And like, you know, but at the same time, like I didn't feel any more confident with them in his hands than they did because that is the one thing like Prodigy supposed to be so smart, but like.
Kevin Dougherty: No. Yeah.
Brandon: his ah The one that you were talking about in YoungBuds, his assistant is constantly reminding him like, Sir, you're breaking protocol.
Kevin Dougherty: Young ones.
Brandon: By separating these specimens, it makes it harder for us to maintain proper control and command that you know this facility is designed to do.
Brandon: We are violating quarantine procedures. just like Yutani did on that fucking deep, you know, they constantly do that.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: It's just like an overlying theme. Like, you know what? We need for shit to get buck wild. that We need for the aliens to escape. So in order to do that, we're just going to start violating quarantine procedures left and right and, you know, bringing...
Kevin Dougherty: but Literally every Alien movie.
Brandon: Yeah, I mean, it's just like, you know, God, ah ah you know, I guess the only other quick thing I wanted to mention that I thought was cool was um how they won the creature, the leech, how it spit into that chick's drink, and you keep wondering who's going to drink it.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: Is it going to burn? And it ends up being that kid. And I was just like, oh, man, dude. If I realized I had just drank those leeches, the first thing I would do is just grab a gun and blow my brains out.
Kevin Dougherty: but Yeah, if you knew that's what you drank, you didn't know.
Brandon: There's never way. yeah um i would immediately shoot my...
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: No, like, dude, that bugged me out. Like, I was, like, looking at my water after I did that.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Like, because I, like, picked up my drink. I was, like, looking inside my glass. I was just like, dude, that would be...
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: the ultimate, like, yeah, that would be, there's no, uh, there's no escaping that, because even when they tried to, like, remove it surgically, it, like, spewed out, like, that, like, toxic pollen gas, and, like, it kills them, like, instantly, and they die a bad death.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: yeah what
Brandon: And it was just, like, oh, fuck, dude. And that shit's all on Earth.
Kevin Dougherty: what I'm really looking forward to is I want to see what that eye has to say. Cause that like, cause there's points in that show where like it takes a, on episode five, it takes over a dude and and kind of like fights the alien at one point.
Brandon: Mmm.
Brandon: It bites the alien.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: It jumps on him and it bites into the side of the alien's head.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. um So, so was the, like the eyeball trying to help or like, cause like, cause again, with the water,
Brandon: It did try to help a couple times.
Kevin Dougherty: with the water, it like tried to close the thing to like, like ah yeah.
Brandon: It banged on the glass. It tried to get her attention.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah. was trying to keep them out.
Brandon: But you don't know, was it trying to actually help? Or did the eye realize, hey, it's in my own best interest for these things not to get loose on the ship.
Kevin Dougherty: Because he wants to get in that eye.
Brandon: You know? Yeah, exactly.
Kevin Dougherty: Like, no, that's my eye. I'm not letting this other creature destroy this body.
Brandon: That's my eye. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: That's my eye. I'm getting in that shit.
Brandon: And, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: You know, there's a couple times where it almost gets in people's eyes, too, that are fucking phenomenal.
Brandon: it did
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And but every time it's, like, crawling around.
Brandon: And you can tell it's extremely intelligent.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Like it's like at one point he tries to communicate with the sheep and he's like, this is pie. All advanced civilizations would recognize this number.
Brandon: And you tell me the corresponding numbers and like it starts doing all this stuff. Like it starts pounding its hoof. And then at one point it shits to like signify number two. And it's like, oh man, only if you could talk.
Brandon: Like, you know what i mean?
Kevin Dougherty: Dude
Brandon: So yeah, just, there's a lot of fun.
Kevin Dougherty: when he was in that sheep was great too and then But it does kind of like Sabotage the one Dude when like he goes in to feed those Things it like bangs on the Glass to like you know Get his ah not get his attention But to distract him so the door would shut On so yeah
Brandon: Yeah.
Brandon: Exactly. is Just to draw more attention to it I think, you know, and I mean, like this is ah an intelligence that's probably far smarter than prodigy is probably smarter than, you know, we don't even know how intelligent it is.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: You know, it might be so far advanced that, you know, we all know, and it just doesn't have the ability to properly manipulate its environment.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: And so, you know, who,
Kevin Dougherty: Well, now that it's in that fucking hybrid kid, like, I think, well, I think it's in the
Brandon: Well,
Brandon: it's not in the hybrid kid. It's, it, uh, got in that guy's dead body on the beach. The one that had this, you know,
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, I thought the dead body on the beach was one of the dead hybrids. Sorry. Yeah, you're right.
Brandon: no, it was, uh, it was the husband of the, uh, the scientist wife.
Kevin Dougherty: No, it was a soldier. That's right.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Brandon: He like, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: I remember that now.
Brandon: So, uh, that's going to be like a temporary host.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: The eye is basically looking for a new eye right now.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah. Constantly looking for a new eye.
Brandon: So like, constantly looking for a new eye.
Kevin Dougherty: It's like... but I think if it's a dead body it crawls into, it probably wouldn't last as long as it's fresh host.
Brandon: Yeah, exactly.
Kevin Dougherty: I think it's eventually trying to get into one of those fucking hybrid eyes because then it's an immortal fucking host for it.
Brandon: Yeah, and well, we don't know.
Kevin Dougherty: Unless it can't survive like in inorganic material, we don't know. It did try to get in that hybrid's eye, but it probably didn't know.
Brandon: We don't know yet, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: It might have bounced out immediately after it got in.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah and yeah
Brandon: It might have been like, oh, wow, all right, this is synthetic. It doesn't work, and it needs an organic. Because, yeah, it looks like it gets into your eye and then shoots like a probe directly into your brain.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, it looks like the rest of the tentacles like hook onto the brain inside or something, yeah.
Brandon: And, yeah, and what I was wondering is, like, what if the eye is in you, Would you still be alive and just be like, oh, God, I'm still alive, but I'm missing my eye?
Brandon: You know what I mean? Like, do you, like, coexist with the eye, but the eye just has total control? Like, you know what I mean?
Kevin Dougherty: ah Like you're like deep in your brain somewhere.
Brandon: Or, yeah, like, if you're a hostage within yourself, like, you don't even know.
Kevin Dougherty: Like you're like, like where you can see what's happening, but you have no control over your own body.
Brandon: Yep.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Yeah, you don't know.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: And I'm thinking most likely you're only going to be alive, like, if you were in that hostage state, like, locked within yourself, like, being John Malkovich, sort of.
Brandon: Like, you know, I'm assuming that you would die.
Kevin Dougherty: You get spit out after 15 minutes on the side of the Jersey Turnpike.
Brandon: I'm assuming that you would die when that eye left.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: You know, when I was in, because, like, it probed into your brain, And you have like a hole in your head.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: So like, yeah, I'm assuming.
Kevin Dougherty: I think it's given keeping people alive. Absolutely. Yeah.
Brandon: yeah So I don't know.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: But like, you know, this was a a lot of really cool creatures, a lot of cool ideas, a lot of places for this story to go. So I hope there's a season till.
Brandon: But um that's pretty much all I got.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, me too.
Brandon: Any ah parting words, Doc?
Kevin Dougherty: No, did you have anything that you were currently watching that I think you want to mention real quick?
Brandon: Yeah, um
Kevin Dougherty: You don't have go into detail about it, just recommendations.
Brandon: i ah no i no I just watched um a show called, or not, well, I watched them some show. It was the third season of Monster.
Brandon: ah They had done, the first one was Dahmer, then they did the Menendez brothers, and then the third season was on Ed Gein. I just finished watching that, and then um just before the cast,
Kevin Dougherty: I do want to watch that.
Brandon: I watched a movie called Vicious with Dakota Fanning. I didn't realize that it just came to streaming on Friday. It's a new horror movie.
Kevin Dougherty: I didn't remember hearing about this at all until you'd mentioned it.
Brandon: um
Brandon: um
Kevin Dougherty: Wow.
Brandon: I didn't even know. like I literally was watching like South Park. And then the South Park episode ended. I went to the bathroom, came back in, and this movie had just began.
Kevin Dougherty: no
Brandon: And I was just like, oh, what's this? And I was like, oh, it's a horror movie. And it's October, so I'll watch it. And, yeah, it was meh. But, you know, at any rate. So I just figured, you know, it is the ah ah month of spook.
Brandon: And I just figured I'm trying to get in, like, the Halloween spirit. So I've been trying to watch as much horror content as possible.
Kevin Dougherty: Well, two movies just came to HBO Max. The Substance, which we've talked about on this cast itself.
Brandon: Oh, well that's on HBO now. Good, good.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, that's all on HBO. And Bring Her Back is on there as well. ah It's by the same people who did Talk To Me. i don't know you've seen that one, but they're both on they're both on HBO.
Brandon: Oh, cool. I did say it. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: it's I think Bring Her Back was earlier this year. believe it was, yeah. And that one's pretty fucking grim as well.
Brandon: It wasn't 20. It was, or it was earlier in this year. It wasn't, it wasn't 2024. It wasn't last year.
Kevin Dougherty: No, I believe Talk to Me was last year.
Brandon: Maybe. Oh yeah. I'm thinking. talk Yeah. I'm thinking of talking.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Sorry.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Yeah. Talk to me was fine.
Kevin Dougherty: and bring her And Bring Her Back is this year. Yeah. Because I remember we talked about Talk to Me on this cast.
Brandon: Yeah. So.
Kevin Dougherty: So, but...
Brandon: Do you have any like ah haunts or anything that you have like lined up in the near future?
Kevin Dougherty: I am trying to go to the LA Hornet Hayride.
Brandon: Oh, cool.
Kevin Dougherty: I know it depends on what other people are doing, though. that There was talks about doing the Long Beach Queen Mary Harbor one. I am going to Disney with some friends next weekend for our birthday.
Brandon: And you you just got back from Wasteland recently, and that was really cool.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. When I fall in the Thunderdome, it's
Brandon: Yeah, that was that was really good. Did you post any of that up on social networking for other people to see, or are you going to post any links?
Kevin Dougherty: i i only I only ended up finding in the one-minute video that ah somebody had taken.
Brandon: Because I know you didn't have the full videos.
Kevin Dougherty: with We'd asked for them to record the whole thing, and that's all I did.
Brandon: ah Yeah, that's too bad.
Brandon: It looked really cool if you want to put that up for people to check out, even though it's just a minute.
Kevin Dougherty: It sucks.
Kevin Dougherty: It's up. Yeah.
Brandon: Like, it looked, you guys really looked like you were trying to fuck each other up.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, that was the whole point.
Brandon: your Like, it was really really, really, really, really neat.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: It looks like a really fun time. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: I sent all those comments and stuff to to my buddy who I fought and he was like, oh, these are fucking great. i was like yeah, people think we like really hate each other.
Brandon: that
Kevin Dougherty: Like that's how we wanted it. Like they they said we put on a good show.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: So like, yeah.
Brandon: You did. You really did. You really you really did. So, ah yeah, that looked like ah that looked like a lot of fun. I'm jealous. I hope I get to go out to one of those things at some point.
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, my ribs still hurt a little bit. It's been like few weeks, but I got a little bruised ribs.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: I got to fucking start training. Like I was telling him, I was like, yo, like once these heal up, like we're just going to start having to hit the gym and tell people where they're training to fight in the Thunderdome.
Brandon: Two men enter, maybe one man leaves.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: But anyway, we know this was a bit of a longer cast than usual, but thank you for joining us and follow us on, the you know, all the necessary bullshit. And we will talk to you next time. Peace out. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Peace.
