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Halloween Experiences and Mishaps
00:00:18
Kevin Dougherty
All right, welcome back to Fright Central. I'm Doc, back here again with Keck, as always. How was your Halloween, buddy?
00:00:24
Brandon
Happy Halloween, man!
00:00:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:00:28
Brandon
That was my Halloween. um It was alright. i ah Unfortunately, nobody was seriously hurt, but a family member had an accident on the stairs on Mischief Night. you know Typical.
00:00:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:00:45
Brandon
and They had hurt themselves really, really badly.
00:00:48
Brandon
and They're fine and everything, but it just kind of like delayed my plans. i was supposed to go to this saw one Halloween party, and I ended up, instead of getting there early to help them set up and stuff like that, I ended up not getting there until almost midnight, and everybody was like really sloshed and stuff like that, but I mean, apparently I didn't miss too much, so yeah, it was okay.
Mischief Night: Regional Names and Traditions
00:01:15
Brandon
What about you?
00:01:16
Kevin Dougherty
sorry we went out uh early probably like 7 38 to west hollywood like parade carnival thing that they had going on there and so we probably got home around midnight because i think the uh stage turns off at like 11 and then we went into this one bar that was just like kind of packed and sweaty and then we just kind of left and then we went back and kind of hung out and like threw on uh
00:01:25
Brandon
Oh, yeah?
00:01:41
Kevin Dougherty
movies back at my friend's house but uh i do want to mention some one thing you you called it mischief night but uh mischief night is only called that in new jersey and eastern pennsylvania parts of delaware yeah and in michigan it's called devil's night and then nowhere else really has a name for it
00:01:55
Brandon
Really? Is that is that correct? so I did not hear that.
00:02:03
Brandon
I've heard it called Tic Tac Night.
00:02:07
Kevin Dougherty
i've never heard of that before
00:02:08
Brandon
Oh, yeah, I've heard it called Tic Tac Night by a lot of people. In fact, when I was a lot younger, I remember hearing adults calling it Tic Tac Night, and I thought that they were actually talking about Tic Tacs as candies.
00:02:22
Brandon
Because, you know, you gave it out on Halloween. And I remember thinking, like, I never got Tic Tacs on Halloween. Like, I thought they were talking about, like, how everybody was buying Tic Tacs the night before Halloween to, like, give out the trick-or-treaters.
00:02:35
Brandon
And I remember thinking, like, yo, I would probably kick somebody's ass if they gave me Tic Tacs. Like, you know what I mean?
00:02:41
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:02:43
Brandon
um But, yeah, I had heard called that. I didn't know it was only called that in, like, the Northeast. So...
00:02:49
Kevin Dougherty
Not even the Northeast. Jersey, specifically, eastern Pennsylvania and no, eastern Pennsylvania and parts of Delaware.
00:02:51
Brandon
and Michigan.
00:02:58
Kevin Dougherty
And then a Michigan calls it Devil's Night.
00:03:00
Brandon
So that's like when Eminem was saying it's devil's night. That's what he was talking about.
00:03:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. and and then like that's much And it's mentioned in the Crow as well, because that takes place on Devil's Night.
00:03:05
Brandon
So other than Michigan.
00:03:10
Brandon
No shit.
00:03:12
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:03:13
Brandon
Huh, I did not know that. I can't believe that. I didn't know that before. It's only called that in New Jersey, eastern Pennsylvania, and then randomly in Michigan they call it Devil's Night.
00:03:24
Brandon
And so nowhere else in the country is like Mischief Night, a time to go out and toil at paper trees and egg people's houses.
00:03:30
Kevin Dougherty
No, they just don't have a name for it. i hear in like I have no idea if they still do shit, but they don't have a name for it.
00:03:33
Brandon
But they do they still fuck shit up? Yeah.
00:03:38
Kevin Dougherty
I think in like and um New England somewhere. They call it like Cabbage Night or something like that.
00:03:45
Brandon
Really?
00:03:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. ah Like even that it's like it's so yeah.
00:03:51
Brandon
Because when I was a kid, like, Mischief Night was kind of a big deal. Like, some people would really, like, some people, like, it used to be like there were two sets of people. There were people that would, in good fun, go out and, like, toilet paper your trees. Not doing anything that would, like, harm your house.
00:04:12
Brandon
And then there were other people that would throw eggs. And eggs can kind of fuck shit up. So that's sort of, like, more of a violent action. But then there were people, I remember one year, like these people, I don't know if they were drunk or what they did, but it was in the newspaper. They went down Mountain View Road and somebody turned their car up and just ran over a whole line of mailboxes.
00:04:35
Brandon
As like a mischief night thing.
00:04:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:04:36
Brandon
And we remember thinking like, what the fuck? Like they had to be fucked up or something. We couldn't figure out if like that was a mischief night thing or if it was a drunk driver coming home from a Halloween party.
00:04:49
Brandon
But like, yeah, there were people that used to like baseball bat mailboxes and stuff like that. So... It seemed like there were people that just, you know, took it in good fun and would go out and create just mischievous pranks, you know, no big deal.
00:05:03
Brandon
And then there were people that got like kind of violent about things. So that's.
00:05:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I definitely remember a ah curfew a few times when we were younger on mischief night that like if you were out like you just to be immediately arrested because they would assume you were out causing mischief.
00:05:09
Brandon
Yeah.
00:05:11
Brandon
Yeah.
00:05:16
Brandon
Or at least questioned, you know what I mean?
00:05:18
Kevin Dougherty
and Yeah.
00:05:18
Brandon
Like they would have the right to like search you and shit like that.
00:05:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:05:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:05:21
Brandon
Like kind of a stop and frisk type thing if you were out past curfew. um especially if you were in like a certain age bracket, I think it was, you know, if you were like an old guy, like coming home from work, they probably wouldn't bother you.
00:05:30
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:05:33
Kevin Dougherty
Nah, yeah.
00:05:34
Brandon
But yeah.
00:05:34
Kevin Dougherty
Mostly the curfew is for kids under 18, really.
00:05:38
Brandon
Yeah. ah Yeah.
00:05:39
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:05:39
Brandon
I remember that. How about that? And so for the rest of the country, it was curfews like a thing or are you just like, you don't know how widespread it was.
00:05:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. They just didn't have a name for it anywhere else. So, yeah, I don't know.
00:05:53
Brandon
so That's really interesting. That had totally passed me by. Well, some wisdom by Doc.
00:05:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I thought it was a little more common knowledge than that, but yeah.
00:06:03
Brandon
I thought it was all through the country. I thought it was even up in Canada. I thought everybody knew about Mischief Night.
00:06:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:06:09
Brandon
look
00:06:12
Kevin Dougherty
I guess it's just our fucking crazy asses.
00:06:14
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, it's the way it is.
00:06:16
Kevin Dougherty
Anyway, um moving
The Witcher Season and Viewing Order Confusion
00:06:18
Kevin Dougherty
on. um I didn't have any news for you tonight, but I did want to mention one thing, because we are going to be talking about The Witcher, because that just dropped.
00:06:28
Kevin Dougherty
ah There was also... that dropped at the same time, a film that takes place in between season three and four. So I thought you were supposed to watch that first, but when you go onto Netflix, it tells you to watch it after the new season, because apparently there's a spoiler in it.
00:06:44
Kevin Dougherty
ah So I've just started watching the the new season instead, but it does have a Dolph Lundgren playing an older Witcher in it. So not, not Gerald though.
00:06:54
Brandon
Yeah, yeah.
00:06:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:06:58
Brandon
I stopped like two episodes into the season of the Witcher because you had mentioned it to me. And i actually did try to get some information.
00:07:08
Brandon
I went on IMDb, but on IMDb, they had everything wrong. Like there was no rating.
00:07:14
Kevin Dougherty
Thank you.
00:07:15
Brandon
It was just called Witcher spinoff. And it even credited as a TV series rather than like a movie. And i was just like, well, this isn't helpful. So I just assumed that it was like a transition-natory type thing, like to like carry you from season three into four. So like I had stopped and started watching that and I was like, what the fuck is going on?
00:07:40
Brandon
So, and yeah, and then you told me about that and i was like, all right, cool.
00:07:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's like a full 88 minute movie.
00:07:44
Brandon
I just went back to the witcher.
00:07:46
Kevin Dougherty
And apparently like, because I read it like the day the new season came out, it was just like surprise new Witcher movie out. was like, what the fuck? And it was like starred Dolph Lundgren. I was like, what the fuck? How did not hear about this?
00:07:58
Brandon
It did come out nowhere.
00:08:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And then they were like, oh, yeah, by the way, i also season four is out. And I was like, wait, what the fuck? Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:06
Brandon
Season four wasn't, like, announced, like, way ahead of time. They just kind of dropped it out.
00:08:11
Kevin Dougherty
It was, but it definitely kind of snuck up on me because I guess I'm not on like Netflix that often.
00:08:14
Brandon
Oh, gotcha.
00:08:17
Kevin Dougherty
So I don't see the ads for it. But like, I feel like I would have saw a little bit. I only saw like one trailer before the new season came out. So I was like, yeah, I'm going to check it out.
00:08:27
Kevin Dougherty
Like whatever. Like, but, uh, yeah, I don't know.
00:08:33
Brandon
but
00:08:33
Kevin Dougherty
Uh,
00:08:33
Brandon
ah there's
00:08:34
Kevin Dougherty
I think they should have waited until we released the movie. toll If they didn't want us to watch it until after the season, they should have released it after the season and not the same day. But whatever.
00:08:42
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. like Or even if they just waited like maybe a few days before releasing it, you know what mean?
00:08:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:08:51
Brandon
Or 48 hours or something like that, or the ah the next week or something.
00:08:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, they should have waited like a month and then released it.
00:08:57
Brandon
Yeah.
00:09:00
Kevin Dougherty
I'm like, oh, here you go.
00:09:02
Brandon
Or like, i don't know, just made it a little bit more clear about like the timeline and when you should watch it. Like anything like that. Like, you know, ah it was very confusing to me.
00:09:12
Kevin Dougherty
ah yeah first thing i read was like hey uh takes place between three and four and follows the rats the the group that sir sir see uh joins up with at the end of season three and i'm like okay so then i should watch that before i watch the new season ah then like i go on to netflix and it was like watch this after season four and i was like wait what why and then i googled it like yeah there's a spoiler at the end that that like spoils something going on later i'm like oh Yeah.
00:09:40
Brandon
i never I never got that far, so I didn't experience it.
00:09:41
Kevin Dougherty
Okay. Yeah, ah yeah
00:09:45
Brandon
So I lucked out, and you you corrected me, luckily. so
00:09:49
Kevin Dougherty
yeah that's good.
00:09:51
Brandon
yeah
00:09:51
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah, I guess ah unless you got anything.
00:09:55
Brandon
I just have one thing. It's not like rolling news. It's just something I
Clearing Misunderstandings from Previous Podcast
00:09:59
Brandon
wanted to mention. um Back when we did our cast on Alien Earth, like I kind of thought I had made it clear that a Guy Cavalier's character, who I kept referring to
00:10:10
Kevin Dougherty
Boy, boy, Cavalier.
00:10:11
Brandon
Boy, I'm sorry. got for Boy, boy, guy. Yeah, I can't get that right.
00:10:16
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:10:16
Brandon
um Boy Cavalier. um I thought I had like made it like kind of clear early on in the cast that I was kind of sarcastically calling his character the prodigy the entire time. But like, I guess I just thought that I had made that clear.
00:10:34
Brandon
But like I had just kind of like sarcastically went into it and like, I had thought in my mind i had stated it, you know, like Hunter S. Thompson, Jesus, did I say that or just think it?
00:10:44
Brandon
Like, did they hear me?
00:10:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:10:45
Brandon
Like, well, apparently only you guys didn't hear me because I was just thinking it. And I just want make it clear that, like, I was referring to him as the prodigy out of, like, sort of like a sarcastic thing.
00:10:59
Brandon
I knew that his character's name was actually Cavalier. And it's just like sort of a correction because another one of my friends said, listen to the cast we did and she was like you know his name wasn't the prodigy and then I remember that you had mentioned it to me and i was like huh one person is a misunderstanding two people say it it's a pattern and uh yeah sorry about that I just wanted to clear that up like uh yeah
00:11:13
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:11:28
Kevin Dougherty
I feel like we knew who you were talking about, so it worked.
00:11:31
Brandon
Yeah, but I mean, you thought of it enough to mention it, and she thought of it enough to mention it, so like I felt like I just wanted to make sure, because she was like, yeah, you sounded stupid, so, you know.
00:11:31
Kevin Dougherty
Whatever. Yeah.
00:11:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
Introduction to the Film 'Weapons' and Plot Overview
00:11:48
Brandon
At any rate, but yeah, that's pretty much all I have, and tonight um we're going to discuss something that you recommended to me that I had not heard of. Do you kind of want to lead us off into this?
00:12:01
Brandon
Because this was your video, and you were like nailing it into me.
00:12:01
Kevin Dougherty
Well, we're going to talk about weapons.
00:12:05
Brandon
Like I was like watching other stuff, and you were like, heck, you need to watch weapons. And I was like, yeah, I'm going to watch it.
00:12:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:12:11
Brandon
And you're like, nah, dude, you need to watch weapons. And tell tell us why.
00:12:17
Kevin Dougherty
I feel like I was, like, telling you to watch weapons almost as soon as I finished watching it. in there I was like, dude, you got to see weapons, like.
00:12:22
Brandon
Pretty immediate. Yeah.
00:12:25
Kevin Dougherty
But I knew you weren't going to run to theaters to see it. But now it's available on HBO, I believe, is where I watched it, HBO Max.
00:12:32
Brandon
Yeah. yeah
00:12:34
Kevin Dougherty
Because I re-watched it the other day. And I think the trailer for this was was really just brilliant, where it just shows like very minimum. And even like the i think the second trailer doesn't give away anything either.
00:12:49
Kevin Dougherty
And even though the poster's great, and it's just... I mean, the basic plot is like when... um one night all at the exact same time 17 kids all from the same class leave their home and disappear and they all run real funny with their arms out and shit no no but
00:13:06
Brandon
it shows that and that It says that in the synopsis. impprintses And they run real funny with their arms out in chat. You're from the class.
00:13:16
Kevin Dougherty
and uh so yeah like i thought that basic uh premise of the basic trailer even like the later trailers kind of just show like ah Josh Brolin's character and Julie Garner and then the like what happened to these kids and like over the course of the movie you find out as well but like going in like knowing nothing and we will spoil this like right away so you better go watch this now and then come back to this but ah yeah to to go in not knowing what this was and then like three quarters of the way through when you finally meet like the villain or whatever if you like yeah like or would call her the villain
00:13:53
Kevin Dougherty
ah you're like, oh oh, this is this type of movie. You know mean? You didn't really know where it was going. You were like, okay, it's a thriller. The whole time you were kind of like, all right, what is this weapons thing?
00:14:07
Kevin Dougherty
And like I understand like the even in Josh Brolin's dream, which we'll get to, like it is very much like, why is this? it's It's kind of like an analogy for school shootings in a way or and like really kind of dealing with the aftermath of a school shooting like why has this happened to us why and trust this classroom and it even has like the the one kid survivor in the classroom maybe like maybe even like did he do it or like you know what i mean so yeah we're sorry yeah
00:14:37
Brandon
and sure It seemed like he had survivor's guilt sort of like throughout the movie too, you know? Well, first I didn't see any
Witchcraft Elements and Non-linear Storytelling in 'Weapons'
00:14:47
Brandon
trailers. I didn't even read the synopsis. I know that you were like very concerned that I had like briefly glanced over at the IMDB page. Cause you're like, you should have gone in totally cold. And I'm like, dude,
00:15:00
Brandon
All i read were the hashtags, and if anything, they confused me even more. I just wanted to go ah because I have the Wikipedia page and the IMDb page open. The Wikipedia page has even more tags, but it it first read dark comedy.
00:15:18
Brandon
Then it' said psychological horror. Then supernatural horror. Then witch horror. Then horror. Then mystery. And um I was just like, wait, what the fuck? What's witch heart? Wait, was it all this shit? And you I guess you thought that the word witch was going to give too much away.
00:15:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:15:36
Brandon
But when I started watching it, within the first five minutes of the movie, someone ah spray paints witch on ah Julie Gardner's car and her character in the movie. So I call her by that.
00:15:53
Brandon
was Justine. And when they spray painted a witch on Justine's car, they never really mentioned anything about witches again for almost an hour into the movie, like at least 45 minutes.
00:16:05
Brandon
And I was, I remember thinking like, so they wrote witch horror just because somebody wrote witch on her car. Like what the fuck does this have to do with witches?
00:16:14
Kevin Dougherty
sure
00:16:15
Brandon
So, you know what i mean? Like if anything, like the hashtags confused me even more.
00:16:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah,
00:16:19
Brandon
Yeah. So, yeah, i'm I'm really glad that I didn't know anything about this movie. I thought it made it a lot more fun. Yeah.
00:16:30
Kevin Dougherty
yeah I really liked the ah the way it, ah the narrative, the way it told the story, nonlinear, and like it i kind of just jumped, it kind of told it in chapters and and told it from a couple different characters' perspective of like,
00:16:42
Brandon
Yeah.
00:16:45
Kevin Dougherty
how they were dealing with it and what was happening with them and everything. And yeah, it's, yeah. and well So yeah, it's a, it's a witch movie to to get to that.
00:16:56
Brandon
Kind of I mean, i mean sort yeah, I guess like the main protagonist is a witch.
00:17:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:17:02
Brandon
But as you said, it goes through chapters. And I think the first chapter was Justine.
00:17:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:17:09
Brandon
The second chapter was um Josh Brolin's character. What was his ah Archer in in the movie.
00:17:16
Kevin Dougherty
Archer, yeah.
00:17:18
Brandon
I think he was chapter two, right?
00:17:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, I believe so.
00:17:22
Brandon
And then i think chapter, so in those two chapters, they didn't really, there was nothing about witches or anything like that, except it began written on their car. I think it was maybe chapter three when Gladys is um first revealed, because Marcus has his own chapter.
00:17:40
Kevin Dougherty
No, chapter three was Paul, which was the paul which was the
00:17:45
Brandon
Mm.
00:17:45
Kevin Dougherty
not
00:17:48
Brandon
Chapter three was Paul, and then I think chapter four was the young meth head.
00:17:48
Kevin Dougherty
so
00:17:54
Kevin Dougherty
e Was it the meth head or was it Marcus? No, it was it was the meth head, James.
00:17:59
Brandon
That was the meth head, and you see Gladys for the first time, but you still don't know she's a witch.
00:18:02
Kevin Dougherty
James.
00:18:07
Brandon
You just see her in the woods waving to him, and you're like, what the fuck is that?
00:18:11
Kevin Dougherty
if you If you go back, you definitely see her like, you see like the back of her head at one point when when they're like interviewing Alex and he's on the couch.
00:18:11
Brandon
And
00:18:18
Brandon
Oh, really?
00:18:23
Kevin Dougherty
You see like there's two people there, I believe. Oh no, I think that's just, oh yeah, i think of them is like the back of her head. And then um you see her in ah and like ah James Brolin's dreams where he like wakes up and he's like, what the fuck was that?
00:18:40
Brandon
Oh, so you see her, like, glimpses of her, like, very, very briefly.
00:18:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, but you don't let but you haven't met her like yet at all, and you're like, who is this weird fucking like clown lady that are showing up in people's dreams and shit like that?
00:18:51
Brandon
Yeah, well, and it's not Paul's dream. I'm trying to think of the character having character issues. Who was the meth head?
00:19:01
Kevin Dougherty
Well, Justine and and
00:19:05
Brandon
Paul was the cop Justine, of course, is Julia Gardner.
00:19:07
Kevin Dougherty
James. James was the ah the homeless method.
00:19:09
Brandon
James was the, uh, the drug addict, like, meth abuser, who you see, like, pretty much through everybody else's chapter as, like, he's kind of like a beggar in Justine's thing, and then he's the first time that I noticed Gladys was in his chapter, when he's, like, he's kind of running away from Paul after they have an encounter, meth head and cops don't really mix very well, and, uh,
00:19:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:19:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:19:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:19:38
Brandon
It actually was kind of funny. That was the comedy because I guess I didn't see a lot of comedy in this, but I guess the exchanges between Paul and James's character was a lot of comedy.
00:19:50
Brandon
But at any rate, James is like in the woods at one point running away from Paul the cop. And he just sees like, yeah, like this crazy clown lady waving.
00:20:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:20:00
Brandon
And that was the first time I really noticed Gladys. And the other times, I guess I didn't pick up. But still, at that time, i had no idea that like, she was involved in witchcraft. I didn't know if he was hallucinating that. He didn't know if he was hallucinating that.
00:20:19
Brandon
Because he's like, that didn't happen. That didn't happen.
00:20:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:20:22
Brandon
So, um but yeah. Then it becomes, like you said, ah ah a witch movie.
00:20:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, basically when they jump to Marcus's chapter, the Principal, and like he's sitting down having like fucking eight hot or seven hot.
00:20:30
Brandon
Yeah.
00:20:41
Kevin Dougherty
It's a reference to Whitest Kids You Know, because I should mention this is directed by Zach Krieger, and he wrote it in like um as like a, um I don't know what to call it, but um because his writing partner had had passed away and who had worked on Whitest Kids You Know.
00:20:58
Kevin Dougherty
So he did the he did that part with the hot dogs as like ah it was a skit in the whitest skits you know.
00:21:02
Brandon
Oh, I was wondering about that. It seemed very strange. I'm not really familiar with whitest kids, you know. I didn't know.
00:21:10
Kevin Dougherty
I'm not either. Somebody told me that afterwards. But yeah.
00:21:12
Brandon
Oh, okay. Okay.
00:21:14
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, I should also mention that this was a budget of $38 million and it made $268 million. So it it definitely made its money.
00:21:20
Brandon
deserve de deserve Deservingly. Yeah.
00:21:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And Zach Krieger, who directed... um barbarian before and he's doing the next resident evil movie so i just throw that out there we kind of skipped over that but uh yeah when they uh when i realized it was a witch movie was basically when gladys shows up even when like you you meet gladys a little bit before that like um when he she goes to meet the principal like you meet her you're kind of like okay like she's this aunt like okay she looks fucking bizarre but all right yeah
00:21:30
Brandon
Yeah.
00:21:53
Brandon
she's She's eccentric. that You know what mean? like She's like an eccentric, like kind of like you get the idea that she might be like an eccentric cat lady. You know what I mean?
00:22:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:22:04
Brandon
Like one those weird like kind of like reclusive people that are just very socially awkward and they have a lot of cats. like That's kind of what I thought she was. Yeah.
00:22:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and then when she rolls up and like asks for water and she is like, oh can have it bowl? And I was like, what? You get the same reaction as Benedict Wong and they're like, oh, okay, like here's your bowl of water.
00:22:28
Brandon
If she started slurping that, like if she picked it, I would have been like, I see.
00:22:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:35
Brandon
That's the comedy. Like if she started acting like a cat.
00:22:36
Kevin Dougherty
ah yeah but course she was concerned larry yeah but then yeah that's when she pulls out well when she pulls it the stick it starts wrapping the hair around it I was like oh okay this is a fucking witchcraft movie I was like this yeah yeah but as she's like as she's doing it yeah yeah yeah
00:22:46
Brandon
Yeah.
00:22:49
Brandon
Well, she asked him if he had notified the authorities. And I was like, oh, okay. Shit's about to go down now.
00:22:57
Kevin Dougherty
But pretty much, pretty much as soon as she brought, the like, the stick out and was, like, wrapping it. And she goes up and fucking just, like, cuts that fucking dude's hair, like, right there. And he's like, what the fuck? Yeah.
00:23:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, then then it's like, okay, it's a witch movie. And I was like, wow, this is fucking really clever to fucking hide that for, like, three quarters of the movie where you don't know, like, what's going on and stuff, so.
00:23:14
Brandon
Yeah.
00:23:19
Brandon
Well, I should mention is one of the things we knew, something terrible happened to Marcus in movie because in earlier chapter, you see him crazed out of his mind.
00:23:34
Brandon
Like, his whole face is covered in blood, his eyes are, like, bugged out, and he
00:23:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, should we just go through and we just go through each chapter with that instead of jumping around? Would that make it a little bit easier for everybody?
00:23:47
Brandon
I could go jumping around or not. I mean, if you want to go analytically through every chapter, we can. i was just mentioning that you know something happened to Marcus, like, ah that was really fucked up.
00:24:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:24:01
Brandon
And, you know, he was possessed out of his mind. And I was kind of thinking, like, what could have possibly happened to him?
00:24:04
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:24:09
Brandon
And as soon as she says something about the authorities, i was like, okay. And things really go off the rails fast.
00:24:16
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:24:16
Brandon
That's what I mean. Like, Ron Burgundy, he's like, wow, that really escalated quickly. I mean, things really got out of hand fast. Like, that's what I was thinking. Like, you know, because – The pace of the movie was good. it was slow and eerie.
00:24:32
Brandon
You knew it was building up to something, but I did not see that coming.
00:24:37
Kevin Dougherty
no not at all yeah neither did i that's what that's what i liked about it so much and uh i hope if you're still listening to this you've
00:24:38
Brandon
So...
00:24:44
Kevin Dougherty
already watched it and you've come back. But, uh, yeah.
00:24:46
Brandon
Or you're someone that's like, you know what, I heard this and I heard that.
00:24:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:24:51
Brandon
I'm not sure if I want to watch it. I want to hear the opinion of some other people. You know, those people do exist. I mean, I know there's a lot of films out there that I'm like, yeah, like Doc said it was okay, which generally means it's god-awful.
00:24:59
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:25:10
Brandon
I want to hear the opinion of someone else before I commit to the time of watching this.
00:25:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:25:15
Brandon
So I would actually go out and look for a podcast and I would have listen to some people. Like I was hoping for spoilers. I'm like, you know what? That shit sounds dope. I'm going to watch it. so
00:25:25
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I thought there'd be ah actually a lot more Gladys's for Halloween this year. And I only saw three in all of West Hollywood and that's pretty impressive. so
00:25:35
Brandon
I saw zero because I'm not a cool guy that lives in West Hollywood or in the, you know, SoCal cool guy area. But we did have, I just want a quick sidebar is in the Northeast, it was a really great night for Halloween. we had a cool weather with a good breeze and was blowing like all the leaves and stuff like that. And like the kids costumes, we had a great trick or treater turnout this year.
00:26:03
Brandon
And like a lot of thought went into all the kids costumes and like, you know, the Draculas and people in robes. You had that blowing in the wind with the leaves. It was a great fucking year for like trick or treating and stuff like that. And so, you know, although I didn't get get to see Gladys's and stuff like that, it was ah it was a very special year. But that's cool. So you only saw three Gladys's.
00:26:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, we because one of our friends was going to dress up as Gladys. And they were like, no, there's going to way too many. We thought it was going to be like 20 fucking Gladysons. You what mean?
00:26:38
Kevin Dougherty
But like there's thousands of people that go out the West Hollywood. They shut down like the entire street.
00:26:44
Brandon
Yeah, it's like a parade, right? It's I mean.
00:26:46
Kevin Dougherty
It's not really a parade. They have a stage and then a bunch people kind of like walk around in this closed off area and like kind of jump from like stage or outside a bar that's playing music to like different areas.
00:26:58
Kevin Dougherty
You know what I mean It's, it's just basically an open carnival type of thing where people are just wandering around drinking and having fun and partying, you know?
00:27:06
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:27:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. It's not,
00:27:07
Brandon
Well, you know, I was actually surprised on the Halloween that ah there were not – I just happened to quickly skip by and watch one inning of the World Series final, and it was in Toronto.
00:27:19
Brandon
And I was thinking like, oh shit, you know, there's got to be like a lot of people dressed up. I wonder if they're going to – I didn't see anybody dressed up at the World Series. And my friend goes to me, she goes, well, Brandon – Maybe they don't celebrate Halloween in Canada.
00:27:36
Brandon
And I'm just like, oh, Jesus, God, I hope she's good. She was not kidding. um Yeah, big brain on her. ah They celebrate Halloween Canada, honey.
00:27:46
Brandon
yeah
00:27:47
Kevin Dougherty
yes Anyway,
00:27:50
Brandon
But, yeah, anyway.
00:27:52
Kevin Dougherty
ah back to weapons. ah yeah they ah ah The first part just basically follows Justine, who is the teacher of the class. and You find out a little bit of her backstory where like she used to um she got fired from her last job for being like two ah tips for being inappropriate, but it was with another staff member.
00:28:16
Kevin Dougherty
So it wasn't like a weird thing with another kid or anything.
00:28:17
Brandon
yeah
00:28:19
Kevin Dougherty
It was just like, she had a relationship with a staff member and things got weird. So she got let go of that one. And then she's been like, you know, told a couple of times that like, she can't give like kids rides home and stuff like that.
00:28:32
Kevin Dougherty
So, cause she, yeah, yeah, a little bit, but not too bad.
00:28:33
Brandon
she comes off as kind of sketchy she does
00:28:38
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, she definitely, ah I mean, you definitely find out pretty quickly that she's an an alcoholic and, it seemed like she was that way before the kids went missing.
00:28:47
Brandon
Yeah.
00:28:47
Kevin Dougherty
here But ah she really ah takes it up a notch and since then. But then, yeah, it starts kind of at this meeting right before the kids go back to school.
00:29:01
Kevin Dougherty
And, you know, Josh Boland's like calling her out and she tries to like explain like, Hey, like ah I'm just as like confused and hurt and everyone's like blaming her. And all of sudden, like, she goes home and stays locked inside, and, like, she hears somebody, like, ringing the bell and knocking on the door, and then that's when she finds somebody had written, like, witch on the car.
00:29:22
Kevin Dougherty
And then, uh, she goes to, like, she wants to talk to kid, the out there and a kid Alex, uh, who is the only one left, and they, uh, and she, so she kind of like, follows him, like, home, but then, like,
00:29:36
Kevin Dougherty
nobody's answering the door. So she kind of sits outside. And that's when you see like your first glimpse of something weird happening. Cause somebody like comes out the door, like all weird with fucking scissors in their hand and like gets in the back of her car and cuts her hair, but it doesn't look like Gladys at all. So at this point you're like, who the fuck is this lady?
00:29:53
Kevin Dougherty
And then like, she just cuts her hair and like leaves and goes back inside. And then then and that's when it cuts to ah Josh Boland's character.
00:30:04
Brandon
Well, it's interesting, and that scene that you were describing when she's parked out, I mean, she's stalking a student. I thought that, I mean, I thought her behavior would merit dismissal because, you know, she's stalking the student.
00:30:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:30:18
Brandon
I kind of understood why, because one thing that you hadn't mentioned is she goes up to his house, and she notices, like, the whole house is, like, really bizarrely kept.
00:30:28
Brandon
Like, all the windows have, like, newspaper taped up over it. it seems like someone went to elaborate lengths to, you know, conceal what was going on within the house.
00:30:41
Brandon
And she raises that um concern to the faculty. And I guess Marcus was the principal, I believe he was the principal of the school.
00:30:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:30:51
Brandon
And, but the thing is, is that her behavior towards this kid, Alex, and it's understandable being that like, he's the only one left out of the class when his and you know entire class disappears overnight.
00:31:06
Brandon
It's understandable she'd be concerned about him, but she was kind of basically disobeying, like, direct orders, but it was...
00:31:14
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah. She definitely overstepped her boundaries.
00:31:16
Brandon
um Yeah, I mean, it was an order from the principal.
00:31:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:31:20
Brandon
Basically, like, look, you have a very checkered past. We gave you ah another chance here at this school. And, you know, for whatever reason this happened, i mean... we did put your life in great jeopardy at that meeting by not having any law enforcement present.
00:31:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:31:37
Brandon
so I mean, that that was one thing i thought about that meeting. I was just like, seriously, like, You're to have all these parents here confronting the teacher one-on-one and have, like, no law enforcement whatsoever? Like, that was kind of weird. But, um yeah, I mean, at that point in the film that you're describing, when the hair was cut, I guess that should have been my first inclination. Like, oh, there's some witchcraft about.
00:32:05
Brandon
But because i had seen, like, the whole witch thing— I was confused thinking about the hashtags and what that meant and the witch. So it just I was just kind of like, huh, that was fucking weird.
00:32:18
Brandon
I did not make the connection. I guess I probably should have in hindsight.
00:32:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, yeah, because I rewatched it too, and I was i was like, oh shit, because she had gone like and peeked in the window too and saw like somebody sit like two people sitting there, zombies pretty much, yeah.
00:32:23
Brandon
I was kind of confused.
00:32:30
Brandon
Yeah. not Zombies. Zombies. Yeah.
00:32:34
Kevin Dougherty
But even at that point, you still don't know. Even when she comes out of the house like just looking all crazed, you don't know if it's like, which, but yeah, I mean, when she cuts her hair, we...
00:32:42
Brandon
mad crazed like she was like had like a a jason vorhebes like i at first i thought she was holding a butcher knife like she was all like raised up like you know what i mean i was like whoa shit's about to go down and then nothing yep
00:32:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:56
Kevin Dougherty
She stops at the window and then like dips away and then you hear her open the car door and get in. Yeah. Yeah. We probably should have known when she'd cut her hair. Definitely in hindsight, but it's still like, yeah.
00:33:07
Brandon
I was confused. Like I said, that the hashtags, they were all crazed. There were a bunch of them, and they confused me more than like led me to any conclusions. I was just like, oh, what the fuck?
00:33:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:33:18
Brandon
That's weird.
00:33:21
Kevin Dougherty
And then the the next the next chapter is ah Archer, which is Josh Brolin's character. And you find that he like works for like this construction site site, and he's been fucking up recently because he's and one of his i mean his kid is missing.
00:33:34
Kevin Dougherty
So it's um it's kind of understandable.
00:33:34
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, anybody would.
00:33:37
Kevin Dougherty
And he's like frustrated with the the police, so he starts doing his own investigation by looking at the doorbell camera, and he notices like the paths are like straight.
00:33:47
Brandon
Yeah, he gets tech, right?
00:33:47
Kevin Dougherty
So he goes to... Yeah.
00:33:48
Brandon
He gets laser and stuff like that.
00:33:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And he goes to fucking Justin Long makes an appearance.
00:33:56
Brandon
Oh, shit. I forgot about that. I meant to bring that up in the first ah few minutes of the cast. Yeah, I forgot about that, man.
00:34:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:34:05
Brandon
That was a great cameo.
00:34:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, first, like, um people were wondering if it was like this, he if he was playing the same character from Barbarian, if the worlds were linked at all.
00:34:15
Brandon
Yeah.
00:34:16
Kevin Dougherty
But I don't think they were because like he's married in in this. And I don't think he was in the other one.
00:34:20
Brandon
Yeah.
00:34:23
Brandon
I thought that there was going to be a Link King,
00:34:25
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. Because he showed up.
00:34:26
Brandon
When I saw him, I thought that, you know, but yeah, I don't think there was.
00:34:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:31
Brandon
so I think it was just a cameo.
00:34:31
Kevin Dougherty
No. Yeah, and he just like ah you know goes through their footage as well. I like when he talks to the wife and she's like, no, I'm not letting you in. So he sits out there and waits for Justin Long to come home.
00:34:41
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He goes to the wife. He's like, look, you know, yeah.
00:34:44
Kevin Dougherty
And he's like, hey, buddy. Yeah.
00:34:47
Brandon
But I mean, I would have kind of been the same way because like, yo, my kid is missing. I'm asking for your help because your kid's missing too. The police are getting us no answers.
00:34:59
Brandon
As another parent, like, yo, can I just see the doorbell footage? And when she shoots him down, i was just thinking, like, I could understand if he was, like, a reporter or something like that.
00:35:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:10
Brandon
and but he's another parent. I would have done the same thing. Like, yo, if the wife says no, go to the husband. If the husband says no, I'd go to the wife when the husband was away.
00:35:21
Brandon
That's what I would have done. And yeah, but that that was that was that was a really good moment just to get Justin Longjustice in.
00:35:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and he survives, too.
00:35:30
Brandon
But yeah, yes, he does.
00:35:33
Kevin Dougherty
ah yeah But, ah he yeah, so Josh Brolin like looks at that camera and figures out that um they've kind of run in
Character Interactions and Revelations in 'Weapons'
00:35:42
Kevin Dougherty
the same direction. He kind of draws the line, so he's like, but he doesn't know where to yet.
00:35:46
Kevin Dougherty
He's kind of driving around, that's when he sees Justine at the gas station, and that's when we get Marcus running up real fucking crazy.
00:35:54
Brandon
Marcus's introduction. Well, I thought
00:35:57
Kevin Dougherty
And ah Brolin kind of defends him, and then, you know, he gets, like, you know, after a few fights and getting up and betting through the liquor store and then back out and down the fucking road, and he gets fucking nailed by that fucking car.
00:36:16
Kevin Dougherty
Like, his little head came off.
00:36:16
Brandon
yeah well i thought that i thought that Archer was going to run over.
00:36:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I did too, yeah.
00:36:23
Brandon
Like, you know what I mean? I was like, oh shit. Or, like, maybe there was going to be an accident where he means, to like, to pull up and clip him or something. Or just something like that. Maybe there would be an accident where he runs him over. But, like, nah.
00:36:38
Brandon
He, like, runs right that light and a pickup just liquefies his...
00:36:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:36:46
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, i guess that is dark comedy. I mean, it's definitely what I was hoping for.
00:36:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:36:54
Brandon
At the time I watched it, for some reason it didn't register to me as like funny.
00:36:55
Kevin Dougherty
It's dark if you're dark. Yeah.
00:37:00
Brandon
Well, I guess it did. i don't know. Maybe I'm just misremembering my ah emotions at the time. but ah i When you see that his head has like totally liquefied and people are screaming, I felt that that's stuff that like normal people shouldn't laugh at.
00:37:18
Brandon
But like...
00:37:18
Kevin Dougherty
Well, that's why it's dark humor and not regular people humor.
00:37:21
Brandon
Dark. Yeah. um
00:37:24
Kevin Dougherty
It's for dark people. Yeah.
00:37:26
Brandon
Touche, that. Touche.
00:37:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:37:27
Brandon
Yes.
00:37:28
Kevin Dougherty
Uh, then, uh, so then it cuts to Paul, who is the, uh, who is a cop that was, um, hooking up with Justine and he's supposed to be sober and he's supposedly married as well.
00:37:43
Kevin Dougherty
Uh, and he's supposed to be trying to have a kid, but, uh, He goes to meet up with ah Justine at a bar and he ends up relapsing and taking her home. But ah in the meantime, he runs into James, the drug addict homeless who was like trying to break into someplace and and in search in his pockets.
00:38:02
Kevin Dougherty
He gets stuck with needle and he gets real mad that like even though he just asked him if there was anything in his pockets and he was like, no, he got stuck. He punched him, knocked him out.
00:38:11
Brandon
He seemed like he was a germaphobe to me.
00:38:14
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I don't know if it was a germaphobe or it was like, hey, this guy has fucking needles that could have AIDS or fucking heroin in it.
00:38:22
Brandon
He just, I don't know. I got like a germaphobe.
00:38:23
Kevin Dougherty
And that's why he bugged out.
00:38:25
Brandon
Yeah. I mean, when he punched, when he punches Paul, when Paul's like handcuffed and restrained, I felt like, i don't know. He seemed like he was sort of having like, Like, I would have been pissed if I got jabbed by a fucking heroin needle by some junkie.
00:38:40
Brandon
But, like, don't know. Paul seemed to have, like, almost like a panic attack reaction to it. You know, he hits him, knocks him down, and he's like, oh, fuck, what did I do? Like, I don't know. It just seemed like it was, like, almost like a knee-jerk reaction.
00:38:51
Kevin Dougherty
of the
00:38:53
Brandon
You know what I mean? Like...
00:38:54
Kevin Dougherty
Oh yeah, it was definitely knee-jerk reaction to knock him out. And the, the, oh shit, what I do is like, oh shit, my dash cam is still on.
00:39:01
Brandon
Yeah. And, like, yeah, I fucked up.
00:39:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:39:04
Brandon
Yeah.
00:39:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And so then he ends up letting James go because of that, but he was like, I don't want to see you around here. And then he goes to tell his boss who actually is like his wife's father,
00:39:16
Brandon
Oh, yeah. I didn't quite pick up on that the first time I saw it. It was when I was skimming back over it. I was wondering, like, he seemed very comfortable going to the chief of police and being like, yo, I just assaulted, like, a random guy that I stopped that was restrained.
00:39:34
Brandon
Like, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, he didn't seem to, like, feel him out.
00:39:37
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:39:39
Brandon
He was like, yo, can I talk to you? And so, yeah, I mean, that's... yeah i Yeah, I didn't pick up on that the first time that I had seen the film.
00:39:48
Kevin Dougherty
yeah because he even says like oh hey like my wife's coming back soon we'll be so we'll be able to make your anniversary dinner and then yeah then uh she comes home early and finds him like came back drunk and like uh she even like uh accosts uh
00:39:49
Brandon
Yeah, yeah I missed that.
00:40:07
Kevin Dougherty
Julie Garner and Juliet in the liquor store as well.
00:40:08
Brandon
Yeah. yeah It was a great scene. It occurred.
00:40:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:40:13
Brandon
I thought maybe she was the witch or something like that.
00:40:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:40:15
Brandon
Like, I didn't know. It was early on.
00:40:16
Kevin Dougherty
You see her stalking her in the back behind her as says like she's completely unaware that she's behind her when she does it.
00:40:23
Brandon
Yeah.
00:40:24
Kevin Dougherty
And like you can see him walking by later when he finds that out that like the chief of police is like just staring him down like, you really fucked up now, man.
00:40:32
Brandon
Yeah, that's true.
00:40:33
Kevin Dougherty
So, like yeah. The one was like, all right, we can get away with this if like he doesn't come back and and you know report it to anybody. But now you fucking...
00:40:42
Brandon
You fucked with my little girl. Yeah.
00:40:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:46
Brandon
And I'll tell you, he did a really, really bad job of covering that up at all. Like I felt like when she just came home, she was just like, where were you? And like his face was just so riddled with guilt. Like she knew within like,
00:41:01
Brandon
like, I don't maybe 10 seconds of her asking, hey, we're like, he couldn't, he didn't even think to come up with a lie or anything.
00:41:07
Kevin Dougherty
He had nothing. Yeah.
00:41:09
Brandon
Like, i would have been like, oh, you know, I had to work late, like, blah, blah, blah, or something like that. Like, he was just speechless. Like, you could kind of tell he most likely had done something like that once before.
00:41:23
Brandon
And, you know, with being an alcoholic, yeah.
00:41:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:41:27
Kevin Dougherty
Well, as soon as he walked in the door and the suitcase was sitting right by the door, which he didn't notice... I was like, oh shit, she's home early. And then like you see then you he sees her purse on the counter he's and he starts panicking and he's like, oh fuck, I'm fucked.
00:41:42
Brandon
He didn't seem like he was a very good cop. He didn't seem to have very good powers of observation. You know what I mean?
00:41:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:41:49
Brandon
Like, I would have, like, walked in, seen that case, did a 180, and bounced right back.
00:41:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, seriously.
00:41:56
Brandon
Like, you know? Like, I don't know.
00:41:59
Kevin Dougherty
just sort of went straight to work. me Yeah.
00:42:02
Brandon
Yeah, exactly. Like, would have just done a 180, been like, yo, I'll just shower at the fucking station.
00:42:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:42:08
Brandon
Fuck that. Yeah.
00:42:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And he didn't tell, ah he told Juliet that like, ah or Justine, sorry. What was her name? Justine?
00:42:18
Brandon
Justin, yeah.
00:42:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Sorry. Gibson and Juliet called Justine that they were, had were separated at the time. So yeah. ah He was like lying about that to like hook up with her, I guess, even though it didn't seem like that was intention at first, he kind of was like, have a drink.
00:42:34
Brandon
Yeah, it was a strange vibe, yeah.
00:42:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. But then...
00:42:39
Brandon
Paul's character was like conflicted. You know, he wanted to do bad things, but he kind of wanted to, I feel like he was like psychologically trying to like, like, yo, I'm trying to fuck around, but I want her make the move so that later I could justify it to myself and lie to myself and say, oh, she got me drunk.
00:43:05
Brandon
And that's why I did that.
00:43:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:43:07
Brandon
Like, that's the source of psychology I saw there.
00:43:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, it seemed like he was trying to stay sober than like when he had that run-in with James and got the and and you know knocked him out and everything.
00:43:10
Brandon
Yeah.
00:43:17
Brandon
Yeah.
00:43:20
Kevin Dougherty
Then he was like, oh fuck. like and Then he saw her and had texted her and was like, all I think I will go out and fucking have a drink.
00:43:22
Brandon
yeah
00:43:27
Kevin Dougherty
and fucking yeah Because he was like, oh, I don't need to go to a meeting.
00:43:27
Brandon
yeah
00:43:31
Kevin Dougherty
If I feel like I need to go to a meeting, I'll go to one later. And like yeah, that didn't work out for him very well. ah And then and when it goes to James, you find James is breaking into Alex's house, which he thinks is empty because there's a bunch of newspapers there.
00:43:47
Brandon
yeah
00:43:48
Kevin Dougherty
and then like he discovers the mom and dad just sitting on the couch real zombie-like. And he still continues rob him. Every time he heard a noise in that house, he was just like, huh, wonder what that is.
00:44:01
Kevin Dougherty
And then he just continues to make as much noise as possible to rob him until he finally...
00:44:05
Brandon
It's kind of accurate to what I've seen, like really like bad drug addicts that are like real heavy into their addiction.
00:44:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:13
Brandon
You know what mean? It's just like, there could be chaos going on all around you. Like crazy shit. Somebody gets shot. Somebody gets stabbed. Like, you're just like, yeah, that's fucked up.
00:44:24
Brandon
Like, you know, you know, it's like, you're a zombie yourself.
00:44:26
Kevin Dougherty
him
00:44:28
Brandon
And like, you know, that was, yeah, I told him, yeah, he gets in these like, what the fuck? He's like snapping his fingers. They're doing nothing. He's just like, fuck it. I'm just going to go through their silverware.
00:44:39
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Oh, and he was going through the DVDs and he's like, ooh, Willow.
00:44:45
Brandon
yeah That was a good one. I would have totally forgot to bring that up. I did notice that.
00:44:49
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:44:49
Brandon
He's like, oh, well.
00:44:54
Brandon
Oh, shit. He put it back. you would have been classic if he like threw that in the sack.
00:44:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I thought he was going to take all that shit, but I guess he like got distracted. But ah yeah, then he finds the kids in the basement, so he's like, oh, I'll go get a fucking reward for this.
00:45:10
Kevin Dougherty
And then this cop sees him again and starts chasing him down.
00:45:14
Brandon
First, he goes to pawn the silverware, though, of course.
00:45:14
Kevin Dougherty
And then...
00:45:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, yes, he does go to point the point.
00:45:17
Brandon
Now, it goes to pawn the silverware to get fucking high, and he figures he'll go get the, what was it, like $50,000 reward, I think?
00:45:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:45:21
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:45:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:45:27
Brandon
yeah
00:45:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, for the information on the missing kids. And that's when he gets chased by the cop, and that's when he runs back into the woods and sees Gladys for the first time. And he hides in his tent, and he thinks that that weird lady...
00:45:39
Kevin Dougherty
ah that he saw waving to him is coming up the tent, but it's the cop and he ends up stabbing him in the face with the fucking arrow needles. It looks like a lot.
00:45:45
Brandon
and for the second time gets stabbed in that time in the
00:45:48
Kevin Dougherty
In the face, dude.
00:45:53
Brandon
face.
00:45:54
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, the cop really should have been like, yo, come out of there. I know you're in there and not try to fucking open it and shit, but, uh, yeah.
00:46:01
Brandon
Yeah, like, and he tried to open it, like, all slow and creepy, you know I mean?
00:46:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:46:06
Brandon
That's not the last thing you should have done. Yeah, like, he would have known not to do that, but, you hey, it worked really well for the film, so.
00:46:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:46:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I like how he hid in that tent and he was like, well, they're not going to get me in here. Like, type of thing.
00:46:19
Brandon
that didn't That didn't happen. That didn't happen.
00:46:21
Kevin Dougherty
But then that, but yeah.
00:46:22
Brandon
That didn't happen.
00:46:25
Kevin Dougherty
So then, uh, James takes him to the house, ah but of course he's handcuffed in the back and the cop goes in during the day and then, like, it cuts to night and he's still fucking out in the car.
00:46:37
Kevin Dougherty
And he's like, oh, fuck, like,
00:46:38
Brandon
Yeah.
00:46:39
Kevin Dougherty
And then eventually the cop comes out and just drags him out and drags him to the house.
00:46:43
Brandon
I saw that coming at that point. I knew i knew that he was most likely done.
00:46:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:46:48
Brandon
um or Or at least like, you know, he was about to get rocked in some really horrible way.
00:46:48
Kevin Dougherty
oh yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:46:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:46:54
Brandon
So, yeah. At about that point, you knew that like there was some really, really bad mojo going around.
00:47:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and then that's when we finally get Alex's story, where it goes through and it shows that, like,
00:47:07
Brandon
And that reveals all, right? Pretty much.
00:47:09
Kevin Dougherty
he's yeah he's being bullied ah at school and then like this aunt that his dad tells him he's coming in and like um even though he was like we haven't seen her in 15 years or something like that and he was like i don't know like there was still like um a whole thing online i think they're supposed to be talking about doing a gladys spinoff as well like a prequel
00:47:32
Brandon
Just real quick, did we skip over Marcus? Like, I know we talked about him early in the past.
00:47:37
Kevin Dougherty
No, Marcus was an app for Alex.
00:47:39
Brandon
Did he have his own chapter? Oh, he was after Alex.
00:47:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I believe so.
00:47:42
Brandon
Okay. so you But what you see Gladys do all this shit, though, before Alex's story. So there wasn't a Marcus chapter?
00:47:53
Brandon
there Because you see...
00:47:55
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, no, you're right. It does do Marcus first, because then he, yeah, yeah.
00:47:56
Brandon
yeah Okay, I just wanted to make sure we were going.
00:47:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah,
00:48:00
Brandon
and But we already pretty much covered everything that happened in the kitchen scene.
00:48:03
Kevin Dougherty
yeah. yeah
00:48:04
Brandon
The hot dogs, we talked about what it was tribute to. Marcus's chapter, I think, was very, very short because you just see, basically, Gladys come in, talk to him, take his ribbon, and then it cuts immediately to his house.
00:48:18
Brandon
So his chapter was very short. It only lasted about 10 minutes.
00:48:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because he's like, and the she first he meets her first at the print at the school, then she's at the house. Then she cuts herself and snaps.
00:48:29
Brandon
yeah
00:48:32
Kevin Dougherty
He goes after his husband and and like bashes his fucking brain in with his own fucking head.
00:48:40
Brandon
With his own fucking head.
00:48:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:48:42
Brandon
Yeah.
00:48:42
Kevin Dougherty
And that's why when you see him running after Justine in the um earlier, that like that's why his face is all fucking bloody and shit.
00:48:43
Brandon
Yep.
00:48:51
Kevin Dougherty
But then, yeah, after that chapter, it goes to Alex.
00:48:51
Brandon
Yeah.
00:48:55
Brandon
Alex. And Alex pretty much gives us the whole picture of what's been going on.
00:48:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and it's like, we still don't know if like that is his actual aunt, or if it's just...
00:49:05
Brandon
Yeah. I was kind of confused as to that, too. Like it seemed like she was.
00:49:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:49:10
Brandon
they Both of his parents in the beginning were lucid. And they said, you know, Aunt Gladys is going to stay with us. She's probably not going to be here very long because she's very, very sick.
00:49:23
Brandon
But at the same time, I'm thinking like, yo, you didn't know that your own sister was, well, if not a witch, very sketchy?
00:49:31
Kevin Dougherty
it was a It was his wife's mom's sister.
00:49:34
Brandon
Yeah.
00:49:37
Brandon
Yeah.
00:49:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Well, it
00:49:39
Brandon
Oh, okay. it was So she was a very distant aunt. Alright, I was a little bit confused on that.
00:49:43
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:49:47
Brandon
I was thinking that it was like his mom's older sister. I didn't realize that. it was it So it wasn't like a first aunt. It was like ah like a more distant relative.
00:49:58
Kevin Dougherty
well It was, yeah, it wasn't Alex's mother's aunt. It was Alex's mother's mother's aunt.
00:50:06
Brandon
Mother's mother's aunt.
00:50:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:50:07
Brandon
Okay, yeah, i thought I thought it was Alex's aunt.
00:50:08
Kevin Dougherty
would have been like his, no, it would have been like his grand aunt or something like that.
00:50:10
Brandon
So it was it the parent's aunt. Okay, yeah, all right, it was the parent's, yeah.
00:50:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:50:16
Brandon
I was a little confused as to that, yeah.
00:50:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. But even the parents were like, I don't know, we don't know her that well. Like we haven't seen her in years.
00:50:21
Brandon
Yeah, I was thinking, like, why is she in your house then?
00:50:24
Kevin Dougherty
And then even later on, Gladys even says to Alex, oh, I haven't seen you since you were little. And i was like, well, that kid's not 15. And your dad just said that you haven't seen her in 15 years.
00:50:36
Brandon
Oh, yeah.
00:50:36
Kevin Dougherty
and he wasn't And she wasn't at the wedding either. So how did she see the kids? So that's why I think she kind of worked her way into this family.
00:50:45
Brandon
yeah
00:50:46
Kevin Dougherty
And yeah.
00:50:46
Brandon
Yeah. i think that's ah I think that's a good, I think that's solid logic. Yeah, because I was like, what the fuck is going on here?
00:50:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:50:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and the the whole thing with the parents looking zombified is her drawing like their energy to become like younger and live longer.
00:50:54
Brandon
Yeah.
00:51:02
Kevin Dougherty
And it works even better with kids. So she gets Alex, like is and then she's like, oh, if you tell anybody like your your parents, I'll show you this, what I can do.
00:51:02
Brandon
yeah
00:51:13
Kevin Dougherty
And they like are stabbing themselves in the fucking face with forks and shit like that.
00:51:16
Brandon
Yeah, she talks.
00:51:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:17
Brandon
She's like, I could make them eat each other. I can make them do all this fucked up shit.
00:51:19
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:51:21
Brandon
But, the you know, Alex was Alex was observant.
00:51:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:27
Brandon
Like he watched. He was scared, but he watched. He waited and things work out well for Alex. But yeah, I'm sorry.
00:51:37
Brandon
Continue.
00:51:38
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah. So then he convinces Alex to grab out like oh get your school kids, like get a personal item from them. and So he steals all their folders with their drawings or whatever.
00:51:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:49
Brandon
Yeah, their name it was like their name tags that they all make in their cubby holes.
00:51:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:53
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:51:54
Brandon
You remember when that used to be a thing.
00:51:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it had to be something they made or something with them all, like personalized thing on it.
00:51:57
Brandon
Yeah.
00:52:00
Kevin Dougherty
And then that's when we finally see like um her do her ritual and and and like draws all the kids in. And you see them all running out their houses and into their house, into the basement.
00:52:12
Kevin Dougherty
But then finally we get to Roland and Julie Garner rolling up to the house. And they see the cop there. And then they see, like, and they're like, oh, I know that fucking cop because he comes out and like, waves him in. And they're like, yeah, this is real fucking sketchy.
00:52:29
Brandon
I would not have followed him. would have been like, no, no, no, no. Like, no, no, no, no.
00:52:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:52:36
Brandon
and and and and na and
00:52:38
Kevin Dougherty
And that's, ah at that point, by the time I think the cops show up, GLaDOS is like, yeah, we need to fucking bounce. Like, people are, like, starting to, like, get in and find, like, us and shit and figure out what's going on.
00:52:50
Kevin Dougherty
So we need to bounce. So, like,
00:52:52
Brandon
Yeah, she's like, pack up your shit and stuff like that. And you know, there was just one thing before that happened. I don't know if you felt this way, but I was wondering where they were going to go with the story at that
Potential for Witchcraft Learning and Plot Climax
00:53:05
Brandon
point.
00:53:05
Brandon
And part of me thought, like, as evil as I am, I guess, like, I would have figured, all right, my parents are lost. Everything is lost. I'm going to be stuck with this fucking witch.
00:53:17
Brandon
I was thinking, is Alex going to be like... can you teach me this power? Like, I was thinking like Alex was going to become a witch, like, you know, ah or a warlock.
00:53:28
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:53:28
Brandon
And I was thinking like weapons too. Like I was thinking that early on, like, well, I would do, I'd be like, all right, I see what you got. Can you teach me this? Like, I'll help you out with the kids and shit. But like,
00:53:41
Brandon
I need you to know that I'm on the level because I don't want you to fuck with me the way you have with everybody else. I don't want to be eaten and shit. Like, so I'll do what you want, but you need to teach me the dark arts.
00:53:54
Brandon
Like, I was wondering if they were going to go there, but they didn't.
00:53:54
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
00:53:58
Brandon
ah
00:53:58
Kevin Dougherty
So it's ah it's like really a prequel to the fucking Warlock with Julian Sands.
00:54:02
Brandon
I was thinking, I was even thinking of Julian Sands. Yeah. What happened to him? But the yeah, that's what I was thinking about. Like, are we going to have like weapons to like the warlock emerges or something like that?
00:54:17
Brandon
Like, I think, Hey man, I think there was a lot of potential there, but anyway.
00:54:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. Then the final ah scene is basically like them battling out against the people that have been turned in the house. And Josh Brolin's just tossing that fucking junkie around. I thought but that was fucking hilarious.
00:54:34
Kevin Dougherty
And then when...
00:54:34
Brandon
Did you see the salt? Did you know what the salt represented?
00:54:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:38
Brandon
I assume you would because that's like a thing that's in like voodoo, witchcraft and all that stuff.
00:54:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:54:41
Kevin Dougherty
A ton of superpowers.
00:54:43
Brandon
the like
00:54:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, if you cross the the salt, like they come after you, pretty much.
00:54:47
Brandon
Yeah, umve I've seen it and there's rituals where they would use sugar or flour or soil of earth and stuff like that. But when the line's drawn like that, like, yeah, you don't want to cross that shit.
00:55:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, she even said it to the kid because she had the parents blocking the her door where she does all her witchcraft.
00:55:04
Brandon
Yep.
00:55:06
Kevin Dougherty
She was just like, don't cross that so salt line. And then he does, so he gets his parents chasing after him, and then like, yeah, yeah.
00:55:12
Brandon
He knew he had to, though. He needed to get to her shit. See, he was very observant, Alex. He was watching and studying her rituals. And that's why I kind of thought, like, he was going to ask.
00:55:23
Brandon
her to teach him, you know what I mean? But like, he kind of like, I guess he kind of took it for himself. And now that his parents are all fucked up, like maybe he will come back all fucking witchcraft.
00:55:35
Brandon
You know what I mean? Like, I could see that. I could see Alex like reemerging from this, like all pissed off. Like when he's like an old man, like he's like, yo man, like I want to be young again too.
00:55:47
Brandon
I don't want to be like, you know what mean? I could say it, but.
00:55:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, she's down there peeling the fucking cop's face off with a fucking peeler.
00:55:53
Brandon
Yeah, that was fucked
00:55:55
Kevin Dougherty
ah And Josh Brolin's tossing the junkie around. He's up there like, getting the parents to chase him so like he can sneak around and enter her room to grab her fucking tree that she has all the fucking voodoo sticks off of and grab her hair then she snaps and all the kids fucking start chasing after her and she's like she knows like instantly she's like oh shit and like she starts running through people's houses
00:56:17
Brandon
And she knows too, I guess.
00:56:24
Brandon
She hears it, right? She hears it. Because did he ring the bell or he just snapped the twig?
00:56:28
Kevin Dougherty
he just snapped quig yeah
00:56:29
Brandon
I guess he didn't need it. And she, like, could hear. She's like, as soon as that shit got snapped, like, she knew, like, almost this telepathically.
00:56:37
Kevin Dougherty
I think she heard all the rumbling ah from all the kids downstairs starting to come up the stairs too.
00:56:37
Brandon
i Yeah, but she hasn't what was coming from her.
00:56:43
Kevin Dougherty
as Because she wasn't up there. She was, she was hiding down there real creepy. Like when Josh Bowling comes down.
00:56:51
Brandon
Oh, yeah, yeah, because she like comes out like all witch.
00:56:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And she ends up turning him as well. And both the, and both the cops.
00:56:59
Brandon
Yeah, we should mention he was like strangling Justine at the time.
00:57:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Both.
00:57:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, both the cop and the junkie both got shot in the fucking head with the fucking, uh, the cop's gun.
00:57:03
Brandon
Yeah.
00:57:09
Kevin Dougherty
I think Julie Garner shoots both of them.
00:57:09
Brandon
And Gladys was getting up close and personal with Justine. She wanted to watch her lights go out. She was pissed off at Justine, you could tell.
00:57:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:57:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, absolutely, because, like, she kind of fucked up her old plan and shit, really, so.
00:57:19
Brandon
She's like, yeah, that's it.
00:57:23
Brandon
But what about you?
00:57:23
Kevin Dougherty
But,
00:57:23
Brandon
I mean, what preceded when Alex snapped the twig and the kids went after Gladys, that but what the handheld, the tracking shots of the kids going after her from the perspective of the kids, that was my favorite scenes in the entire film.
00:57:42
Kevin Dougherty
Oh yeah, there was some great cinematography in this movie too, with like the camera work and shit.
00:57:43
Brandon
Right. and great cinematography. Yeah, like the kids like going after her because she's running through other houses.
00:57:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:57:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:57:52
Brandon
Like she like came in like, oh, and people are like, you know, eating their cereal and like suddenly this old lady just runs through their house and then suddenly like a wave, a tidal wave of kids running right through the window, running through walls, not opening the door, going through fucking full sliding windows.
00:58:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:58:09
Kevin Dougherty
go yeah
00:58:11
Brandon
The kids who were just going, dude, and the tracking shots of the children and all the breakaway glass, like debris was like a fucking tornado, a tsunami of souls.
00:58:22
Brandon
It was brilliant filmmaking. I really am.
00:58:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, when when the one guy is like cutting the grass and he just sees her running by and he stops and and like looks over and then so like all these kids fucking go screaming after her. Yeah.
00:58:36
Brandon
Did you think the lawnmower might be involved in that? Because when I saw him mowing the lawn, I was like, oh, shit.
00:58:43
Kevin Dougherty
there
00:58:43
Brandon
Is the lawnmower going to, like, you know, is some dead alive type shit going to go on?
00:58:44
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:58:48
Brandon
I just thought it might. I don't know. Oh, yeah.
00:58:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and then they end up fucking catching her fucking ripping her to pieces and that fucking...
00:58:55
Brandon
oh yeah
00:58:56
Kevin Dougherty
That cuts everything off once you've killed her. And, like, Josh Brolin comes to is like, oh shit, and, like, he follows the debris to find them. ah Like, at one point, like, he's, like, walking through their house and they're like, oh, what the fuck?
00:59:05
Brandon
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:59:09
Kevin Dougherty
And then ah the the lady, she's like, oh god, there's a man in my house!
00:59:13
Brandon
Like, now there's a man in the house.
00:59:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:59:18
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:59:19
Brandon
Oh, God.
00:59:19
Kevin Dougherty
And all the kids are just standing there and it pretty much ah ends there with like the, um the parents are still like pretty much catatonic. Cause I think they'd be under the longest and that's why.
00:59:31
Kevin Dougherty
and they were saying that like um weeks or months have gone by since the very end of this is all in like the voiceover credit where like the, and the kids are just starting to talk again.
00:59:31
Brandon
Yeah.
00:59:41
Kevin Dougherty
But how did you feel about the one, there was one extra twist in there where um Josh Brolin's kid, was the one that was bullying Alex.
00:59:51
Brandon
Mm-hmm.
00:59:51
Kevin Dougherty
Did you notice that? I didn't know i didn't notice it to the very end.
00:59:53
Brandon
Yeah. I noticed and No, I noticed it in the beginning.
00:59:54
Kevin Dougherty
that I was like, yeah. Okay, I don't think I caught on to that in the beginning.
00:59:59
Brandon
He kept throwing stuff at him, and, like, you know, he yeah, he was just being the typical bully.
01:00:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah,
01:00:05
Kevin Dougherty
yeah I just didn't know that was going to be Josh Brolin's son in the end. That's all.
01:00:09
Brandon
I just had a feeling based on, well, I think Josh Brolin might have had a picture of him at one point in the movie. I'm not 100% certain on that.
01:00:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, these are the baseball uniforms, so I didn't really recognize them.
01:00:21
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah. you see so You see something, but um I just thought because of the way Josh Brolin was talking about his son and the type of man Josh Brolin was, like Matthew just seemed like he would be the byproduct of that kind of guy.
01:00:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:00:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:00:38
Brandon
He seemed like a very manly man, like, you know, and I just, I don't know, like kids that have fathers like that often turn into being bullies and stuff.
01:00:38
Kevin Dougherty
I see that.
01:00:48
Brandon
So, I kind of thought that that might be the case. But, yeah, I mean, I knew Matthew was the boy that had been pecking on him the whole time. And, it pretty much ends with the narration. Two parents are catatonic.
01:01:01
Brandon
And I think they mentioned that, like, the older the minds are, too, the more antiquated your mind is, ah you know, and them being under the longest. I guess it would have taken them longer to break free of her spell if they ever come back.
01:01:17
Brandon
You know what I mean? Because their mind, you said months had gone by in this period. Like, I was thinking, like, maybe a week or two had gone by.
01:01:24
Kevin Dougherty
yeah I don't remember what exactly, but they were like, oh, yes, now the kids are starting to talk again. so
01:01:29
Brandon
After a year, they said. They said the after yeah they said after a year, some of some of the kids are finally starting to talk again.
01:01:31
Kevin Dougherty
oh after a year? Okay.
01:01:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:01:40
Brandon
And it seemed, oh, yeah, they mentioned that eric are eric alex um they mention Alex went to live with other relatives.
01:01:50
Brandon
So that basically says, oh, and they say also, That his parents are still eating soup, but not directly from a can or something. So you kind of get the idea that his parents have been taken to an asylum where they're basically still catatonic with the rest of their lives. And Alex has to be cared for by other family members.
01:02:11
Brandon
So, yeah, unfortunately his parents seem to never really recover. Yeah.
01:02:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:02:17
Brandon
But yeah, they say after a year, some of the kids became began talking again. So you kind of got the idea, like you brought about like the school shootings and stuff like that, the trauma, the post-traumatic stress, how some kids will really clam up and be very quiet after that.
01:02:35
Brandon
You kind of got the idea that, you know, it took them a while, but finally they were able to break free. At least some of them were able to break free of the trauma that they experienced because...
01:02:45
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
01:02:47
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, don't know. I guess witnessing a school shooting would be really fucked up for me, but, like, knowing that, like, I was under the control of a witch for a while, and, like, whatever the hell voodoo shit she did to my mind, like, yeah.
01:03:04
Kevin Dougherty
uh which one part i did kind of gloss over that i want to just touch on last was the um
01:03:04
Brandon
So...
Symbolism and References in 'Weapons'
01:03:10
Kevin Dougherty
ah Josh Brolin's dream where he sees literally a weapon over top of a house with 217 on it. Now we know 217 was the time that all the kids got up and ran out the house.
01:03:24
Kevin Dougherty
But I can give you some ah theories on what 217 meant.
01:03:29
Brandon
What weapon did he see? I'm not sure of the scene you're referring to.
01:03:34
Kevin Dougherty
In Josh Brolin's dream where he's dreaming about his kid and he follows the kid out the door and then like
01:03:40
Brandon
Yeah, I remember it.
01:03:40
Kevin Dougherty
want to think and he comes back and before he goes back into the house you see like an assault rifle floating above the house and it says 217 on it.
01:03:48
Brandon
oh Oh, yeah. I was not. I kind of forgot about that scene. That's right. I totally forgot about that. Interesting. Yeah, go ahead. What what ah what do you have on that?
01:03:59
Kevin Dougherty
Some of the allegory and symbolic interpretations that people were believing were saying that 217 was a reference to like The votes that were needed for the assault weapons ban of 2022 received in the House of Representatives symbolizing in the political effort that failed to pass the Senate.
01:04:18
Brandon
No shit.
01:04:19
Kevin Dougherty
This is just like people's interpretations of it. It's not necessarily the what the director meant.
01:04:24
Brandon
Yeah.
01:04:25
Kevin Dougherty
um The victim count was another theory that the 217 represented the victims in the story, specifically two parents and 17 children who go missing.
01:04:35
Brandon
Interesting.
01:04:35
Kevin Dougherty
Dream sequence with the assault rifles interpreted as a powerful algorithm for school shootings. Yes, with the number serving to reinforce this connection to real world tragedies. But um the only confirmation that we get from the director was that 217 was a reference to the novel of Stephen King's Shining because that was the movie.
01:04:54
Brandon
Yeah, I was going, ah that was going to come. I was like, I knew 217 was the original room. They had changed it to 237. I was going to bring that up if you didn't bring it up, huh?
01:05:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:05:04
Brandon
Yeah.
01:05:05
Kevin Dougherty
That was the only thing he confirmed for.
01:05:05
Brandon
So the director.
01:05:07
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Everything else is like he purposely left up to interpretation, but he was like, this is a direct reference to Stephen King's the shining the novel, because I've had to correct a few people online.
01:05:07
Brandon
Yeah.
01:05:15
Brandon
Yeah.
01:05:17
Kevin Dougherty
They're like, it's two, three, seven. I'm like in the movie is two, three, seven, but in the novel it's two 17. Yeah.
01:05:22
Brandon
And the reason it was 217 was because in the actual hotel, they were worried because there was actually a room 217. And they switched it to 237 because that room didn't actually exist. And they were, I guess, worried that it might affect, like, guests wanting to get. See, for me, we discussed this.
01:05:43
Brandon
I would want to be in that room. I'd be like, yo, put me in a room 237, like, or 217.
01:05:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:05:49
Brandon
Like, I want to be in that room. But, like, yeah, I guess they were worried. Well, I mean, at the time The Shining came out, I think it really bugged a lot of people out. And I'm thinking that was right.
01:05:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. 1980, like people were like, there was, there was definitely a whole different, like satanic scare and all that stuff back then.
01:06:04
Brandon
whole culture. Yeah, yeah
01:06:07
Kevin Dougherty
So like people, people still like really, I mean, there are still people believe in ghosts, but like, People really believed more back then, I would say, with like without less information available to them.
01:06:14
Brandon
yeah.
01:06:19
Brandon
Yeah. the client Yeah, the climate was different. We didn't know as much.
01:06:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:06:23
Brandon
Yeah, there was a lot more superstition, I think, at that time. And yeah, yeah.
01:06:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. and and now And nowadays, it's a nowadays it's a cult classic, people are like, i want to sleep in that room.
01:06:27
Brandon
So it's hard for us to
01:06:32
Brandon
Oh, yeah.
01:06:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:06:32
Brandon
Yeah, I want to be in that room.
01:06:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:34
Brandon
Like, you know i mean? Yeah, definitely. Put me in there. Yep. Yeah, that would, yeah, I would think that that room would actually, like, go for more money or something like that. You know what I mean?
01:06:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:06:44
Brandon
How times have changed.
Analysis of 'The Shining's' Tracking Shots
01:06:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. They should. that I mean, they probably ah should, or if they don't already have like full on conventions at that and just and have and play the shining there.
01:06:52
Brandon
Yeah.
01:06:55
Kevin Dougherty
You know what mean? Yeah.
01:06:56
Brandon
Yeah, yeah.
01:06:57
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:06:57
Brandon
I mean, what a marvelous hotel. I mean, you want to talk about tracking shots. I mean, the whole Shining movie, I mean, we talked about it in cast before. I mean, that movie is famous for its tracking shots, especially the one where Danny's, like, pedaling through the overlook on his, like, little, like, ah roller bike.
01:07:15
Brandon
And, yeah, I mean, and the end of Weapons, where you have following the kids, yeah, i mean call it a wave, call it a tornado, whatever it was, it just left debris in its wake, and you just saw great tracking shots, like, bre yeah, great photography. Really, really, really good movie. I'm so glad that you pushed this on me so hard.
01:07:38
Brandon
And, yeah, because ah this was a real gem, and if you have not seen it,
Awards and Upcoming Releases Discussion
01:07:44
Brandon
definitely have. Check out Weapons 2025. And we did the Chainsaw Awards last cast, and we were I had mentioned to you that I was surprised Weapons wasn't involved.
01:07:54
Brandon
Is that because Weapons wasn't in the time period that the Chainsaw Awards encompassed? You had said you were going to look at that. I think that was the case, right?
01:08:06
Kevin Dougherty
Uh, yes. Let me see. Oh, yeah, because it came out in August 8th. So, yeah.
01:08:06
Brandon
Because they couldn't have looked overlooked Weapons.
01:08:11
Brandon
yeah Okay, yeah. So the Chainsaw Awards, the reason that it wasn't on there, it'll be in the next Chainsaw Awards.
01:08:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I think it'll definitely be definitely nominee, if not win, depending on what else comes out in the next.
01:08:17
Brandon
Yeah.
01:08:22
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, ah unless like a horror, like, i mean, unless like massive gems start dropping or something like that. And yeah, I mean, I find it hard to believe that it's not going to be at the very least nominated in most categories.
01:08:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:08:38
Brandon
You know, I mean, you excellent costume design. We already talked about like the direction shots and all that stuff. You had great performances by big name actors. So ah yeah, I mean, it's got awards written all over it
01:08:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I mean, next we got prior to badlands coming up and Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein. ah
01:08:58
Brandon
oh
01:08:58
Kevin Dougherty
That's actually coming straight to, well, it had wasn't select theaters, but it was, it's pretty much straight into Netflix. which is a real shame because del Toro stuff should be played in theaters nationwide.
01:09:09
Brandon
I think so. At least like for a limited time in general theaters, not like just a limited theaters for a short period. I would think you would at least put it in theaters and give it like maybe a couple weeks or something like that for you.
01:09:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it seemed like it was only, I mean, it's Netflix. So of course it was playing at their theater, which they, cause they now own the Egyptian in Hollywood. I believe it was playing at Elmo draft houses.
01:09:34
Kevin Dougherty
but it never made it to like major cinemas really. So, which is a shame, but it'll be on Netflix this this week. So, and then part of Badlands will be out.
01:09:41
Brandon
Yeah.
01:09:43
Kevin Dougherty
So we'll have stuff to it to watch and and discuss. And also ah it welcome the dairy is that the first two episodes are out now. and
01:09:52
Brandon
and i'm I'm waiting for it to be done. i have a feeling like you already like saying praise off the first step.
01:09:55
Kevin Dougherty
really good.
01:09:59
Brandon
I was just like, yeah, I'm definitely waiting for I'm definitely gonna wait for that conclusion. And we'll be talking all about that and other stuff. And, yeah, obviously with the release of Predator Badlands, we're going to have a a long conversation about Predator World and, of course, our reactions to that film. So, but, yeah, that's pretty much all I have for this evening. Doc, do you have anything else you wanted to mention before we wrap up?
01:10:25
Kevin Dougherty
Not on weapons. I think I've covered pretty much everything.
In-depth Analysis and Appreciation of 'Weapons'
01:10:30
Kevin Dougherty
I think we've covered everything.
01:10:31
Brandon
Yep, you got very analytical. like We discussed it, and then you're like, nah, man, I want to go chapter chapter.
01:10:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:10:36
Brandon
and yeah I mean, there's a lot to talk about.
01:10:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah, I think it was easier to go chapter to chapter than to have to go back and and figure and, like, kind of explain what was going on. it was easier just hit the points as we would go through the movie.
01:10:48
Kevin Dougherty
So, yeah.
01:10:49
Brandon
Yeah, well, it was a lot of fun. It's a really great film to see. It's a great film to talk about. And, again, if you have not checked this gem out, I highly recommend checking out Weapons.
01:11:01
Kevin Dougherty
And if you've only seen it once, go back and see it again and you'll start you'll see see something you didn't catch the first time.
01:11:04
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
01:11:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:11:07
Brandon
i You're already bringing up stuff that I totally glossed over, and I saw it twice. So, you know, I still missed it.
01:11:12
Kevin Dougherty
All
01:11:13
Brandon
So thank you so much for joining us, and good night, and good luck.
01:11:19
Kevin Dougherty
right. Good night. Peace.