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Sweet Revenge
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We discuss the new Friday the 13th offical short film available free on youtube
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00:00:19
Brandon
Good evening. Welcome to Fright Central, where we talk all things horror. My name is Keck, and I am here with Doc, as always. And tonight, we are going to be discussing Friday the 13th's new short, Sweet Revenge. um But first, Kevin has some news, don't you?
00:00:45
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah, I don't know if I had mentioned this one time, like, kind of in passing and didn't really look into it before, but the there's a Clive Barker Hellraiser game coming out.
00:00:57
Brandon
No shit.
00:00:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and it's a ah called Hellraiser Revival. And, you know, i kind of just thought, like, oh, it's going to be another one of those, like, Dead by Daylight Friday the 13th games.
00:01:08
Brandon
Yeah.
00:01:09
Kevin Dougherty
But, a you know, not really looking into it. But once I, like, started reading about it, it's actually a single-player survival horror game set in the Hellraiser universe. And, like...
00:01:20
Brandon
Oh, so it like focuses on like single player campaign type thing? Like, oh, Wow.
00:01:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And apparently, like, you play as, like, this guy ah who, like, makes a deal, I guess, with...
00:01:35
Brandon
with the Cenobites?
00:01:36
Kevin Dougherty
with With pen of Penhead and the Cenobites and like he's you can you're like you can use the box to like open up portals for Cenobites to come out and fucking kill people?
00:01:45
Brandon
Oh, shit, that might have to be like a day one copying.
00:01:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:01:54
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, i mean, I would think that's going to go one of two ways. so i think it's either going to be like very solid and decent or it's just going to come out and suck balls.
00:02:05
Brandon
Like, you know what I mean?
00:02:05
Kevin Dougherty
yeah here's the ah official ah Here's the official like ah blurb thing.
00:02:07
Brandon
It's just going to be
00:02:11
Kevin Dougherty
Discover the tale of Aiden who must unlock the dark powers of the Genesis configuration, a mysterious puzzle box help ah to help his girlfriend from a hellish abyss.
00:02:21
Kevin Dougherty
As Aiden, you'll harness the box's infernal abilities to survive your pact with the sinister pinhead and battle against the twisted cult that worships him and the Cenobites. Fail and your suffering will be legendary even in hell.
00:02:34
Brandon
It's interesting that ah they mention the Genesis configuration and not typical Lament configuration which is usually the configuration that the box starts in in its default configuration and then you can kind of like mold it into different configurations which like I think open up like different realms of very unpleasant places.
00:02:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:03:02
Brandon
um But yeah, that's and that's interesting. I wonder if that's like done intentionally, like if there's going to be um references to like Genesis and the Bible and stuff like that.
00:03:14
Brandon
like that Yeah, that's that sounds really interesting.
00:03:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I haven't watched the trailer yet, but just reading that makes me excited because I do like single-player horror campaign games. and not really that interested in that run-around-solve-things while trying to like escape from a killer.
00:03:33
Brandon
Yeah.
00:03:33
Kevin Dougherty
like more of a story-driven aspect to it.
00:03:37
Brandon
Yeah, games like Outlast and I can't remember, but that Alien Survival game actually was really good.
00:03:44
Kevin Dougherty
Isolation?
00:03:45
Brandon
Yeah, it was actually really good.
00:03:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:03:47
Brandon
Especially if you had um the ah voice sensor features on with ah either your PC or console, because like, the alien would actually be attracted to your sound in real time. That was something kind of unique that I had never really experienced before. So, yeah. yeah and But, ah yeah, i I've had enough of those type of games. Like, I'm um'm ready to move on.
00:04:15
Brandon
So, yeah, that's that's something really exciting, yeah. And when did this news first break?
00:04:21
Kevin Dougherty
I want to say during Comic-Con.
00:04:25
Brandon
So, like, what was...
00:04:26
Kevin Dougherty
So July 22nd.
00:04:28
Brandon
Okay, so, yeah, all right, so we're we're about like a month behind, three three, four weeks behind, so that's not too, too bad, but ah yeah, I think if you had mentioned that before, I would have remembered.
00:04:42
Kevin Dougherty
I think I had brought it up briefly and when I was just, you was just like, oh, it's another one of those Friday 13 games and we didn't really talk about it more is is what I'm thinking.
00:04:49
Brandon
yeah, yeah, yeah. So we just dismissed it quickly. Yeah, yeah, I get what you mean, yeah yeah.
00:04:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:04:54
Kevin Dougherty
But then I...
00:04:54
Brandon
I mean, it happens when you have so many of those type of games.
00:04:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, you just assume that, like, what else are you going to do with it, right? And, like, I'm not thinking story-driven where you can, like, use the box to open up fucking hell and torture your fucking enemies.
00:05:02
Brandon
yeah Yeah.
00:05:08
Kevin Dougherty
Like...
00:05:08
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, yeah, that's really, really, really cool.
00:05:09
Kevin Dougherty
perfect
00:05:13
Brandon
Especially if you had things like, uh, where someone could like invade your hell to like, you know, like wreak havoc, like, you know, maybe like somebody, like if you kill someone in hell, can that be like your like gateway to like,
00:05:30
Brandon
coming out of the blood-soaked bed, like, skinless, and, like, then you have to, like, merc people to slowly earn your flesh back and shit like that.
00:05:41
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of, like, ways you could take that, like, you know, even with, like, ah DLC expansions and stuff like that, you could build on that. So, yeah, that sounds like a lot of fun.
00:05:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, I'm into it. On the more lower budget news, because they're crowdfunding this one, there's a Return to Living Dead game coming out or that they're working on anyway. You can like crowdfund this one.
00:06:07
Kevin Dougherty
It's ah called reach Return of the Living Dead More Brains Assault on Onida. And it's supposed to like follow more of the the meta sequel, Trash's Revenge, that's like a reboot of the original and sequel, kind of.
00:06:24
Kevin Dougherty
It's probably, i mean, I haven't seen it, but I'm assuming if it's like most of the Return of the 11 Dead sequels and remakes, it's probably trash.
00:06:31
Brandon
Yeah.
00:06:33
Kevin Dougherty
No pun and intended. Yeah.
00:06:35
Brandon
Again, we're being like somewhat like maybe like preemptively dismissive and like, you know, I could see somebody like listening this and say oh like, well, you know, you guys are trashing something like before you even, but I mean,
00:06:49
Brandon
It's just been like the pattern for so long that like, you know mean?
00:06:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:06:53
Brandon
Like I think like low expectations are probably the best way to look at something like this because if it exceeds your expectations, then it becomes a big win.
00:07:06
Brandon
And you know what I mean? But like, yeah, I i pretty much feel the same. I don't have too much more to add on that.
00:07:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, the game is supposed to be like an expansion of that film, Trash's Revenge, and more like it picks up right after happens.
00:07:23
Brandon
Yeah.
00:07:24
Kevin Dougherty
But I mean, the game still looks interesting for being like low budget where you're just fighting through hordes of zombies.
00:07:26
Brandon
Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:07:30
Kevin Dougherty
I don't know what the ultimate story or goal is besides fighting zombies.
00:07:35
Brandon
Yeah, it might be like a smaller like a smaller file file size thing where it's like, you know just like a survival game where you fight like waves of zombies.
00:07:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:07:46
Brandon
Like, it's probably going to be like some multiplayer aspect where you can do like co-op and stuff like that with your friends. So, yeah, I mean, that could be interesting to check out. But, like, again, I don't have high hopes.
00:07:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah Neither do I. They need some they need to get some studio almost to like take a hold of that.
00:08:04
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, like what people have been doing with like game mods and like Nexus community. I mean, it's been goddamn downright impressive. But a lot of the big modders, like the people that do like the convergence mod for like Elden Ring and Dark Souls and all that.
00:08:23
Brandon
They have like a large team now. They're well-funded. A lot of them are being now hired by like professional studios and stuff like that.
00:08:34
Brandon
So, I mean, like I've seen the power of like the independents, but like yeah, if you want to make something that's going to be like entertaining, where people are really going to want to play something built from scratch, you need to go with a big studio or something.
00:08:47
Kevin Dougherty
i I mean, i know what you mean, but I wasn't talking about the video game aspect of somebody who needs to come in and take control of the franchise.
00:08:55
Brandon
I thought you were talking about like it being like a low budget game where like there wasn't going to be a lot of.
00:08:56
Kevin Dougherty
i'm
00:09:02
Brandon
Okay. Yeah.
00:09:02
Kevin Dougherty
I just meant the way the film franchise has gone.
00:09:02
Brandon
I. Oh, all
00:09:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:09:07
Brandon
right. I kind of wasn't picking up what you were putting down.
00:09:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:09:10
Brandon
I understand now, but.
00:09:11
Kevin Dougherty
but they need not I'm not saying they need like a universal or you know something like that, but even like you know AMC you know with Shudder, even if they came in, or you know a Blumhouse or an a twenty four and they kind of took control over it, then we can maybe get some better stories out of what they've been doing.
00:09:25
Brandon
Yeah.
00:09:31
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:09:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:09:33
Brandon
well I mean, it's the same principle if they're properly staffed. and
00:09:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's it's also tough to like you know make something as good as the first one and try to recapture the magic the first one was, because everything else just kind of seems, you know.
00:09:45
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, it's gonna, I mean, to To try encapsulate some of that, you're going to have to be perhaps overly ambitious and like, you know, you more often miss than hit when, you know, you try to take on like something like that. But, you know, hey, you know, I'll definitely check it out. I'll definitely at least like check out like the early reviews and stuff like that. See if it's something that I'd be interested in like delving into. But, you know, anyway.
00:10:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, again, I was mostly talking about the film franchise there.
00:10:25
Brandon
Yeah, I know.
00:10:26
Kevin Dougherty
the games
00:10:26
Brandon
i but um i'm thinking about I'm thinking about, I've been thinking a lot about games, like with the new Friday the 13th game and everything. Yeah.
00:10:36
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, I also just found out that there was a Predator VR game, and I was watching a little bit of trailer of that, and I was like, oh, this might be the game to get me back into VR, because I haven't put it on in a while.
00:10:40
Brandon
Yeah. yeah
00:10:46
Brandon
Isn't the Predator VR game? Because I noticed I was actually playing Batman Arkham Knight just before the cast actually on pc because I had it on um updated graphics and frame rates and it looked really good. um And I found out that there was actually another batman Arkham game, but it was apparently, it's like something like Batman, like Arkham Shadow, or called something like that, and I was looking to find out what platform it's on, so that I could like check it out, and possibly buy it, and I found that it was a MetaQuest 3 exclusive, and I was like, oh shit, so it's like a straight VR only thing, and yeah,
00:11:33
Kevin Dougherty
ah Because I remember there was ah like a Batman that was like kind of set in the Arkham World VR thing that was kind of a more short thing. It was kind of like a almost like well like a test ah game.
00:11:45
Brandon
Like a demo like type thing.
00:11:45
Kevin Dougherty
to see not Not really a demo. It was ah it was it had like a full story and everything, but it didn't seem like it like nowadays you'd play full 16-hour or however many-hour fucking video games.
00:11:58
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:59
Kevin Dougherty
Now, this was back when like they were only making fucking like 15 20 minute games because like it took so much processing power and all that other stuff and now you get yeah and now you get like full like lived in games nowadays so I think it was like around that time but it was a pretty cool ah thing where you go around and pick up stuff but there it's not really as much like swinging around and and fighting people as there there are probably in the the new one
00:12:07
Brandon
Yeah. yeah yeah yeah know We just didn't have the hardware to. Yeah.
00:12:29
Brandon
Yeah, yeah.
00:12:29
Kevin Dougherty
because he plans for MetaQuest 3, so it's got to be pretty new. I haven't seen that at all either. But yeah, but this Predator game looks interesting because you can play as the Predator and and like there's like a campaign or like there's multiplayer as well.
00:12:41
Kevin Dougherty
So I'd be interested in playing that.
00:12:43
Brandon
Well, i think that screams VR. You know what I mean?
00:12:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:12:48
Brandon
Especially when you think about the original movie where you first see the Predator's hand after that big skirmish at the village. Like, you know, when you first see that, like, you know, that would be, like, a great, like, intro to, like, your VR thing where, like, you see your predator hand like that.
00:13:09
Brandon
And, you know, it's just reminiscent of that scene from the movie that was, like, that big iconic, like, first glimpse of the alien. Like, yeah, that that would be really cool.
00:13:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, oh.
00:13:20
Kevin Dougherty
what if the ah What if the multiplayer aspect of was it was kind of like Halo, and you can have like two priorities going in?
00:13:20
Brandon
You know, that, yeah.
00:13:21
Brandon
Yeah.
00:13:27
Kevin Dougherty
And we were both, and you remember how we used to play Halo on like Legendary, and like one of would just go in like full suicide?
00:13:27
Brandon
Oh,
00:13:34
Brandon
yeah.
00:13:34
Kevin Dougherty
Like, we just
00:13:35
Brandon
You kind of had to do that at some parts.
00:13:38
Kevin Dougherty
You just that you're your set your self-detonation fucking thing and then run into a horde of fucking Xenomorphs or something and just wipe them all out.
00:13:38
Brandon
Yeah.
00:13:42
Brandon
Yeah.
00:13:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:13:48
Brandon
Yeah, like, Doc, I'm going to go set off my nuke, and then, you know, you just wait for my body to respawn and make sure you're far away enough from combat that I get spawned back in and then you can do your suicide bomb, and that's how we'll take out, like, a really hard boss or something like that.
00:13:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:14:08
Kevin Dougherty
very
00:14:10
Brandon
Ranged nukes. Yeah.
00:14:12
Kevin Dougherty
ah but
00:14:15
Brandon
Oh, shit. Yeah. I mean, that yeah. But on a series, that that sounds really fun. um Yeah. that that And is that like um a MetaQuest um exclusive or is that available on VR, like on different platforms, like PS5 VR or something like that?
00:14:32
Kevin Dougherty
I think it's supported by Steam because that's where i was because I was looking up Predator games.
00:14:37
Brandon
but Okay. Okay.
00:14:38
Kevin Dougherty
And I think i said it said it was supported by Steam, but I think you might have to buy it ah elsewhere. I'm not really sure. So you might, it said like in the VR, you know, gaming section.
00:14:47
Brandon
so it' scott's too So it's got PC support. Yeah, yeah that's good.
00:14:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, I believe so. so Yeah, I would like to check that out. But anyway, on to our ah topic for today, which is the new Friday the 13th short Sweet Revenge, which was ah now officially the first Friday the 13th product we've gotten in what they call the new Jason Universe, which is really just like the company banner name, I guess.
00:15:13
Brandon
Yeah, yeah.
00:15:17
Kevin Dougherty
So... ah What do you think ah about this, them doing it this way as being like the first thing to that they announced instead of being the first thing of the TV series?
00:15:32
Kevin Dougherty
ah Doing a short film first to kind of reintroduce people back to Jason?
00:15:35
Brandon
Well, just a quick side note that I ah said that I was going to just mention maybe like here and there. um This ah cast is going to be spoiler-sealed.
00:15:52
Brandon
bloody spoiler soak. So we expect, as you just described, like the universe and everything, we expect that like you've either seen the film or the topic of the discussion or you just don't really give a fuck.
00:16:09
Brandon
And like, you know...
00:16:09
Kevin Dougherty
or you at least you know something about Jason i don't know how like
00:16:12
Brandon
yeah or Yeah, or exactly, like maybe you're like, you know what, I want some spoilers because I want to see if this is like, you know, worth my time. You know what mean? There are some people like that, like that just like they don't give a fuck about spoilers.
00:16:26
Brandon
But anyway, that's just like a quick disclaimer.
00:16:28
Kevin Dougherty
yeah for a 15 minute uh short film um like I wouldn't mind if if somebody told me spoilers ahead a time but like
00:16:35
Brandon
No, no, no. i Yeah, I fought the urge.
00:16:38
Kevin Dougherty
It's also like for 15 minutes, for 15 minutes, just go watch it. You know what mean? Like, it's not going to take that long. It's not that big of a deal.
00:16:45
Brandon
Yeah. And well, I'm also saying that for like future discussions we have and stuff like that. And, you I'll, we'll try to mention that first. And, but, uh, to answer your, um, original question, I mean,
00:17:00
Brandon
This was the best short that I've seen, um at least, like, from anything, like, Friday the 13th related. I mean, we haven't – well, I mean, in fairness, in the last 15-plus years, because of, like, the whole, like, copyright thing, like, we haven't really seen very much content.
00:17:21
Brandon
I've seen some Friday the 13th, like, theme slasher content, like a few shorts here and there. Yeah.
00:17:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, there's lot of fan-made shorts that you have.
00:17:29
Brandon
Yeah, exactly. I mean, i think you were talking to me at one point that you did like, um you were doing like a GoFundMe, like you were you had like basket it in somebody yeah somebody's project.
00:17:38
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I did help crowdfund a cyberpunk Jason one.
00:17:42
Brandon
ah so Yeah, exactly.
00:17:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it it was terrible.
00:17:43
Brandon
says something This was by far the best I've seen. ah you know in short i mean, the i was actually impressed with the production quality in general.
00:17:57
Brandon
Like, it seemed like it was, like, a pretty polished film.
00:18:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yes.
00:18:03
Brandon
um You know what I mean?
00:18:04
Kevin Dougherty
And the effect looks good as well. Like, yeah.
00:18:06
Brandon
Yeah. And I thought that the writing was very solid, although we're going to have to talk a little bit more about, especially about the ending, ah seems to be, like,
00:18:19
Brandon
the large like portion of discussions that I've heard in forums and on the other like ah YouTube videos I've seen, the ending has been like um a ah big sort of, I guess, open question to people's... It leaves a lot to the imagination. and But yeah, initially I thought that this was a pretty goddamn impressive.
00:18:48
Brandon
And, you know, what what what about you? I mean, that that was my that was my take initially. like What did you think?
00:18:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, even when it just at first started off, like, you can tell just with, like, you know, the cinematography that that they were, that you can tell that they took their time and, like, you know, cared about this and wasn't just trying to throw, like, some homemade, you know, it could have easily been a Steadicam, you know, found footage Friday the 13th that they gave us, but, you know.
00:19:05
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:19
Brandon
what I was expecting, yeah.
00:19:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, but yeah the then like when you see like the first like body or like guts or whatever, like you do get you're like, okay, they actually took time to make this look gory too, and the the effects looked good.
00:19:34
Kevin Dougherty
And the acting was...
00:19:34
Brandon
The foreshadowing when he mentioned the propeller blade, like, you knew that was coming.
00:19:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:19:40
Kevin Dougherty
He was like, oh yeah, tell your tell your boyfriend that this propeller is ready to go whenever.
00:19:42
Brandon
Sorry.
00:19:46
Brandon
Uh,
00:19:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:19:47
Brandon
I was like, all right, I know Jason's looking for that.
00:19:50
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:19:51
Brandon
ah Like, that's coming out.
00:19:53
Kevin Dougherty
Jace is the one that showed him. He was like, hey, this propeller is ready. He showed him his face.
00:19:58
Brandon
I just wondering whether or not it was going to be used on Jason or used on, like, one of the campers and whether it was going to be used in the lake or, like, somewhere else. And, you know, of course, that gets quickly answered.
00:20:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, but I thought the acting was, you know, about the same as it is in pretty much any other Friday the 13th movie.
00:20:18
Brandon
Yeah, i agree.
00:20:19
Kevin Dougherty
Like, it wasn't bad, but it's not great. It's like, you know, and it, well, it's basically, you know, a group of four friends go to a cabin at Camp Crystal Lake and, you know, start to get murdered.
00:20:32
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, she finds out that her boyfriend or fiance is cheating on her with one of her friends.
00:20:35
Brandon
ah Fiance, yeah. So this is a very tight-knit group, yeah.
00:20:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so they drive out there at the cabin. Of course, there's a creepy old ah man that like rents the cabin to him. was like spying on him and
00:20:48
Brandon
ah And he's great. I mean, that the one scene where he talks about like, ah you know, yeah, revenge, betrayal, and lots of murder.
00:20:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:20:54
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, the background. There's been so much. Yeah.
00:21:01
Kevin Dougherty
He goes, yeah, there's there's been lots of murder. And then he just goes, so much murder or something like that.
00:21:08
Brandon
it something Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:21:10
Kevin Dougherty
yeah it's along those lines it's like a lot of murder and i just love the way he said that and i was like oh yeah i gotta write that down that was that was great and uh yes she's by herself like out by the lake while he said he was going fishing with one of his friends and uh
00:21:16
Brandon
yeah
00:21:19
Brandon
Yeah.
00:21:27
Brandon
After she makes a comment about, like, how she was, like, thinking swimsuits were optional, I would have just been like, you know what, I could fish any time. Fuck this.
00:21:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, he even, like, you think he's going to go out there because he goes, what the fuck?
00:21:37
Brandon
Yeah. ah
00:21:40
Kevin Dougherty
And then, but then, like, he just doesn't go out there. And then when the next you see her, like, she's she said, what who said anything about bathing suits that she's wearing a bathing suit, which I thought was funny.
00:21:48
Brandon
Yeah, well, I think it was going to be like got deal where like if he came with her, but it was um just to do a quick zap back.
00:21:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:00
Brandon
It reminded me of a scene from Friday the 13th for the final chapter where a um ah co, well, you know, one of the campers was going to go skinny dipping with her boyfriend Paulie and Paulie decides well I think he either fucks off or he's already been killed by Jason And she strips completely naked and goes out onto that raft where Jason like comes under with the machete and like slices her in half.
00:22:33
Brandon
It was a great scene, but it reminded me of like sort that where like for no good reason, like they decide to like split up and like go off on their own, you know?
00:22:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:44
Brandon
So it's iconic with every Jason movie.
00:22:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:46
Brandon
And now that, yeah, that, that, that's good.
00:22:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:49
Brandon
That works, you know?
00:22:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And sure enough, she finds herself, you know, paddling out on the lake by herself. And then Jason comes up and grabs her underwater for hours.
00:23:00
Kevin Dougherty
I don't know if you noticed that because it was day when he grabbed her.
00:23:04
Brandon
It's day and then it's night and nobody even comes looking for
00:23:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:23:07
Brandon
That was another thing. Like, she goes up and, like, knocks on the window and they're all, like, bugged out. Like, oh, my God. Like, I would think they'd be out with, like, search parties and flashlights and shit.
00:23:19
Brandon
Hours.
00:23:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, they did not give a fuck. Like, I assumed she was just dead, like, because she held, because he held her under there, and it was, like, daylight, and then she comes up with breath of ah air, and it's, like, dead night.
00:23:27
Brandon
Hours.
00:23:31
Kevin Dougherty
it's Like, not even sun setting, just dead night.
00:23:31
Brandon
Yeah.
00:23:34
Kevin Dougherty
And then I was like, what the fuck? i was like, so maybe she's dead, and she's now gotten the spirit of Jason or some shit like that is what I was thinking.
00:23:39
Brandon
yeah that Yeah, we're going to, yeah, that's.
00:23:42
Kevin Dougherty
I'm glad they didn't go that route, but like she sees her fiancé making out with, like I guess, her friend or one of their friends.
00:23:49
Kevin Dougherty
And then Jason... Yeah, she's...
00:23:49
Brandon
Wait, she does see that?
00:23:51
Brandon
she She sees her fiance like kissing that other. Oh, okay.
00:23:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:23:55
Brandon
You know what?
00:23:56
Kevin Dougherty
And that's when she goes up to knock on the window, and that's when she sees him.
00:23:56
Brandon
I was not.
00:23:59
Kevin Dougherty
And then Jason throws her through the window.
00:24:00
Brandon
Oh, that's why they were so startled. Okay, I think I might have just turned my head or lost attention for about five to ten seconds and, like, didn't see that because i would have been like, i was going to say before you moved on, i was going be like, wouldn't you be like, hey, man, where's your fiancé?
00:24:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:24:23
Brandon
Didn't she say she was going swimming naked like four hours? and Like you're not in any way concerned.
00:24:31
Kevin Dougherty
yeah that's why they weren't looking for her yeah they probably were hoping she died so they could make out
00:24:39
Brandon
Yeah, I get it. But like there was that other guy too. I'm not really sure what his deal was. The other guy that wasn't her.
00:24:48
Kevin Dougherty
he just came out of the room of like a door and like pulled his pants up. But like, how many people were there? There were only four of them. Was he just in the other room jerking off?
00:24:55
Brandon
Four of them, yeah.
00:24:58
Kevin Dougherty
Like, Oh,
00:24:58
Brandon
He might have been coming out of the bathroom or something.
00:25:01
Kevin Dougherty
oh
00:25:01
Brandon
I think that's what it was. I think he was coming out of the bathroom.
00:25:03
Kevin Dougherty
ah
00:25:05
Brandon
I don't think they were trying to insinuate that he was like frantically masturbating in the other room.
00:25:11
Kevin Dougherty
like he was spying on them making out and jerking off or something.
00:25:14
Brandon
No, no. i I do not believe that's what was inferred in that scene. But, I mean, I could be wrong, yeah.
00:25:20
Kevin Dougherty
Okay, I didn't realize he came out of the bathroom. i didn't know where he came from.
00:25:23
Brandon
I, that's what I, that's where I was assuming he came out.
00:25:26
Kevin Dougherty
Okay.
00:25:27
Brandon
It looked like he was like in there because I think he had been drinking a bit or something too. So he might've been like possibly sick in the bathroom or, you know, just coming the bathroom.
00:25:33
Kevin Dougherty
ah Okay.
00:25:37
Kevin Dougherty
Well, he's definitely pulling his pants up when he came out of there.
00:25:40
Brandon
Yeah, he was definitely pulling his pants.
00:25:41
Kevin Dougherty
Because I was like, oh, this is like the fuck shack where everybody's fucking each other.
00:25:43
Brandon
Yeah.
00:25:45
Kevin Dougherty
And then I was like, wait, there's only four of them there. And the one girl's staying out.
00:25:48
Brandon
Yeah.
00:25:49
Kevin Dougherty
So I was like, so what was that dude doing? I didn't even think about like bathroom. I just thought like everybody who's getting their fuck on or whatever. And then I was like, wait, there are enough people. That dude's fucking jerking off watching them or something.
00:26:02
Brandon
and And nobody thought to say, like, hey, where is your, you know, fiance who said she was going to swim naked hours ago?
00:26:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. I think before that, as she's walking up to the house, either the cameras pass him by all these different things, or she walks by him and sees him. But you get the, I think the neighbors, I guess, or somebody, they were sitting in the lawn chairs whatever, and they're both, their throats are wet.
00:26:29
Brandon
Yeah.
00:26:30
Kevin Dougherty
And then you see a clothesline with people like purposely hung up to it.
00:26:31
Brandon
Yeah.
00:26:37
Kevin Dougherty
the clothesline, but they're like cut in half and like bleed. So i was like, i was like, oh, that means Jason like is thinking about what to do with the corpse afterwards.
00:26:47
Brandon
Yeah. Well, that's what he usually does. Like, that's part of his whole thing is, like, posing the bodies to like, maximize terror. Like, you know, um I don't just kill you. Like, I fuck with your corpse afterwards to fuck with your friends.
00:27:02
Brandon
You know what I mean? Like, that's his, like, sadistic thing.
00:27:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I was like, as long as Jason's not like digging tunnels or running through the woods and jumping off roofs like like a ninja, then like I'm okay with whatever he does.
00:27:14
Brandon
Or, yeah, and, like, has, like, an elaborate, like, fucking power grid with, like, floodlights set up and, like, uh, intricate tool system where he's like meticulously like using all kinds of like modern age crafting tools to sharpen his machete and shit rather than just like pulling a rusted one out of fucking tree.
00:27:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:27:38
Brandon
You know what mean? So yeah.
00:27:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, this is more best ah back to basics where he's just grabbing whatever's around.
00:27:42
Brandon
Back basics.
00:27:43
Kevin Dougherty
and Because she's the one that picks up the machete from the 12th before she goes to the house and sees her fiancé cheating on her.
00:27:52
Brandon
Oh, yeah, that's right.
00:27:53
Kevin Dougherty
And then he after Jason throws it through the window, Jason comes around the the door and kicks it in and then takes the the ah blade from the the boat and shoves it into the guy's face.
00:27:53
Brandon
That's true.
00:28:05
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, the per the propeller.
00:28:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:28:08
Brandon
And again, another iconic scene that Doc just described, Jason picking up somebody by their neck and throwing them through the window.
00:28:08
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:28:16
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:28:18
Brandon
I mean, that's like always like there's always a huge window that a body comes flying through in almost every Friday 13th movie. Like it's required.
00:28:29
Brandon
Yeah.
00:28:29
Kevin Dougherty
yeah and a door being kicked down
00:28:29
Brandon
So, you know, they were capturing a lot of all the fucking, you know what I mean? Like all the kills, like all those moments, they were able to fit them all into 15 minutes and 27 seconds.
00:28:43
Brandon
And yeah, but the moving on, the propeller kill. The first real gory kill, we say.
00:28:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:28:50
Brandon
How do you feel that scene went down? I thought they did a really good job.
00:28:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, i thought it was pretty good. And then he but it picks up like half the blade and like ninja stars into somebody's back.
00:28:59
Brandon
Yeah, ah yeah you like like he had already sliced the dude.
00:29:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:04
Brandon
I mean, it was pretty cool because I wasn't sure if like somebody was maybe going to come and rescue that guy from getting, but like not. Like Jason just goes right in and with the propeller blade and then rips off the propeller blade and takes the motor
00:29:15
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:29:21
Brandon
and stomps it in the stump of the guy's head. You know, his face is gone. His head is pretty much decapitated. And like he still stomps the motor on the open neck hole.
00:29:35
Brandon
husband I mean, that guy probably got let off the easiest because he just gets propeller blade to the back that kills him instantly.
00:29:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, true.
00:29:46
Brandon
Pretty painless ah very painless way to go. Like, if i was going to get killed by Jason, like, that would be one of my more preferred ways to go. Like, it's just a quick...
00:29:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I don't want to see it coming to my face, that's for sure.
00:29:58
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah, it's exactly. It's about the equivalent of, like, Jason walking in with, like, a 12-gauge shotgun and just shooting you point blank.
00:30:07
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah, it'd be ridiculous.
00:30:08
Brandon
You know what i mean? Like, that's about it.
00:30:10
Kevin Dougherty
I don't want to see Jason use a gun, but yeah.
00:30:12
Brandon
Yeah, yeah. No, I don't want to see that either. I'm just saying, you know what I mean. like it
00:30:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, yes, yes.
00:30:17
Brandon
Most people don't get afforded the luxury of a one-shot death when faced by Jason.
00:30:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:30:25
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Jason turns his attention on the the cheating fiance and throws her around and the the main character trying to like grab her leg, grab Jason's leg like that's going to stop him.
00:30:25
Brandon
oh Oh, this is great.
00:30:38
Kevin Dougherty
And Jason just takes a machete and and just cuts it right right into her and then turns his attention back to the other girl who he like I guess takes a pie cutter to the face?
00:30:47
Brandon
ah No, this is, I have one.
00:30:48
Kevin Dougherty
cutter?
00:30:50
Brandon
um I've used these my whole life.
00:30:51
Kevin Dougherty
cookie cutter?
00:30:52
Brandon
It's for an apple. What you do is, yeah, um you slam it down on an apple it decores it for you.
00:30:54
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, okay. Oh, it takes the core out. Yeah.
00:31:02
Brandon
And the it just cuts it into like those like normal slices.
00:31:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:31:05
Kevin Dougherty
Four slices or whatever. Yeah.
00:31:06
Brandon
Yeah, my mom used to do that and give it to me with peanut butter as a kid. So when I saw that, I was like, good motherfucking choice.
00:31:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that makes me want to go out and get a fucking apple and some peanut butter and now.
00:31:14
Brandon
Yeah.
00:31:18
Kevin Dougherty
Fuck.
00:31:19
Brandon
Yeah, right? is
00:31:21
Kevin Dougherty
Bring back childhood their memories.
00:31:22
Brandon
but I will mention that apple cutter again in a minute. But ah yeah, this was my favorite part, I think, is the machete through the stomach and then him going at her with an apple cutter and then her pulling...
00:31:37
Brandon
the machete slowly out of her stomach and screaming. this ah This girl, I don't know her name, but like she really stole the show in terms of acting performances. I think she was the one that pulls the machete out of her stomach.
00:31:54
Brandon
I think she was ah by far the most talented actor in the short.
00:31:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, was it Eve or Dana? yeah
00:32:01
Brandon
I'm I'm not, I can't really remember.
00:32:02
Kevin Dougherty
think it might have been Eve.
00:32:04
Brandon
I think it was Eve. I think it was.
00:32:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:32:06
Brandon
Yeah. And I think it's, I'm going to talk a little more about that, but, uh, so moving moving on, uh, as you said, she was going at the one girl with the apple cutter to the face and like starting to press it into her cheek.
00:32:23
Brandon
And then Eve comes out and he, she does stop him, right? Yeah.
00:32:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, she takes the machete that she pulled out through his back.
00:32:28
Brandon
She shut the machete bruised. Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:32
Brandon
Yeah, through his back. And somehow she, at this point, I guess she's like transforming.
00:32:33
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:32:38
Brandon
Because although I don't think the machete would have like instantly killed her, most people would probably have like gone into shock. Or at least after pulling it out, like she's going to be sustaining substantial blood loss at that point.
00:32:48
Kevin Dougherty
Or be bleeding out. Yeah.
00:32:57
Brandon
And would need pretty much immediate medical attention. So it kind of, to me, infers that whatever happened to her in that lake about five minutes prior kind of did something transformatory to her, like the visions of Jason's mother pulling ah the camper down under.
00:33:23
Brandon
And I don't know, like I felt like the lake had some kind of like very rare that we've never seen before in the Jason universe or Friday 13th universe where the lake has some kind of transformatory magical power.
00:33:42
Brandon
What I mean.
00:33:42
Kevin Dougherty
Well, yeah, here's what I got from that and what I mentioned earlier when I thought like, oh, maybe like, oh, if you get killed by Jason, you get like, she's going become Jason.
00:33:50
Brandon
Yeah.
00:33:51
Kevin Dougherty
I think if you drown in that lake, it'll bring you back.
00:33:51
Brandon
Yeah.
00:33:55
Brandon
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:33:57
Kevin Dougherty
So it does kind of have some magical power because that's how Jason's brought back. He drowned in the lake. So if like Jason drowns you.
00:34:02
Brandon
Jason had drowned mad other campers in that lake, though, and they didn't know that.
00:34:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, this would be a new thing that they're adding to the lore. Yeah.
00:34:10
Brandon
true ne True that. True that.
00:34:12
Kevin Dougherty
that like if ah So that's that makes sense of while she had been down there for hours, she definitely would have died and drowned in that lake.
00:34:18
Brandon
Yeah.
00:34:19
Kevin Dougherty
And now she comes back and you can see it on her face as she's getting looking more and more haggard.
00:34:19
Brandon
Yeah.
00:34:24
Kevin Dougherty
And the fact that she was able to pull that machete out made meant like, because Jason pulls the machete out of him and goes right back after them. So she was becoming...
00:34:32
Brandon
Yeah, that's a very interesting take.
00:34:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so she was becoming like Jason, and you see it like later on when she grabs the knife from the kitchen, and she she like leaves with the girl the other girl that she saved, and they get in the car, and she's driving, and she's like, I'm so sorry, and she fucking cuts her, and they fucking stabs her in the throat, and they crash into the car, and she gets out unscathed.
00:34:36
Brandon
Yeah.
00:34:47
Brandon
That is real funny.
00:34:53
Brandon
I like first the key thing. Yeah, sorry.
00:34:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so, sorry. Sorry.
00:34:57
Brandon
Wait, the keys. I'm sorry. I just wanted to mention before getting to the very end, i there was a part where she's like, oh, God, keys. And, like, the girl goes, like, they do the, like, you know, the ah the screeching music where Jason, like, usually is raising up with his machete or about to make a kill.
00:35:16
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
00:35:16
Brandon
And they make that sound. And she, like, yeah doesn't look at her at all. She just quickly, like, raises up the keys with one arm, like, no luck. And yeah, I thought that like, you know, the element of comedy, like they really encapsulate a lot in that 15 minutes.
00:35:35
Brandon
But sorry, please continue, Doc.
00:35:35
Kevin Dougherty
yeah no no i'm glad you brought that up because yeah that was really good shot yeah
00:35:39
Brandon
Yeah, I just wanted to mention that one scene because I thought it was really funny, but.
00:35:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, then she does it again when she gets in the car and she's like she's like, what are getting in the car? and then she gets in the car and she does it again with the keys, like right to her face without looking at her.
00:35:51
Brandon
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:52
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:35:53
Brandon
yeah so Yeah, it's kind of like a double take, you know what I mean, at that point.
00:35:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:58
Brandon
And yeah, that's when I knew there was something going on, and I knew the girl driving was going to get it.
00:36:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:36:05
Brandon
I just wasn't sure
00:36:06
Kevin Dougherty
you
00:36:08
Brandon
how
00:36:08
Kevin Dougherty
You would think you would wait until like you got someplace where she wasn't driving anymore and you would do it. But yeah, she stabs her in the neck and they crash. And this is where it comes into, again, where she can survive anything because she now has like the same power as Jason.
00:36:23
Kevin Dougherty
So she gets out and she you know picks out the knife and she's standing face to face with Jason.
00:36:23
Brandon
yeah
00:36:27
Kevin Dougherty
They walk towards each other and you get coast of blackness. So...
00:36:32
Brandon
Yeah, she has no fear. Like, she's like, yo, I'm not running. Like, I'm coming after you, which I had ah read something about, like, the creator, like, when he was writing this.
00:36:45
Brandon
He had different ideas at one point, like, he was going to say that, uh, it is Eve, right, where I don't want to, like, fuck up the name. I don't. Because I was thinking Eve, like as in Adam and the Eve, like her being the first.
00:36:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, exactly.
00:37:01
Brandon
So I thought there was maybe some symbolism there, whether or not that was intentional or not. I wasn't sure.
00:37:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it definitely feels intentional.
00:37:08
Brandon
But I thought that was interesting.
00:37:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:37:12
Brandon
And I saw something about where like they had an idea where Jason was going to notice that like, you know, She obviously came back from the dead. She's more than human.
00:37:25
Brandon
And like there was an idea where Jason was going to kill all the other campers. And he was just going to like follow her around for a while or something.
00:37:34
Kevin Dougherty
No, that's good.
00:37:34
Brandon
Like stalking her but not killing her because he realized that she was probably like him and couldn't die. And he just didn't know what to do. And it was going to end with like Jason confused.
00:37:48
Brandon
Which I guess they kind of did pull off because like Jason had to be kind of confused because he's never had somebody step to him like that before.
00:38:00
Kevin Dougherty
um Or do you think that maybe like when Jason was stalking them during the day before he kills her in the canoe, like he was already in the water and he could see the other group of friends or whatever fishing and maybe already saw them ah making out.
00:38:17
Kevin Dougherty
So he was like, oh, like she'll be a perfect candidate to be able to come back because you need ah a good revenge to be able to come back from the dead and like a good reason.
00:38:25
Brandon
me
00:38:26
Kevin Dougherty
So he was like, maybe he saw like, like okay, Like I'll, I'll, I know that they're cheating on each other cause I saw them all come together or whatever. Like he figured it out. Like, uh, obviously it would change like the story of Jason being this, like, you know, not unthinking, unrelenting killer.
00:38:45
Kevin Dougherty
Like he'd obviously put some thought into it or you could say that the mother was at like, the maybe the mother's still alive in this universe.
00:38:52
Brandon
Kind of like the spirit of the mother went into her was another like theory that like I had in my head.
00:39:00
Kevin Dougherty
Kind of like how Freddy was controlling Jason and Freddy versus Jason by becoming a mother and was like, this is what you should do, Jason.
00:39:05
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:06
Kevin Dougherty
You should go this way or whatever. could be something like that where it's like, oh, you should kill this girl because she'll come back and see that her friends are hooking up and she'll have a perfect reason to become like you.
00:39:16
Brandon
yeah
00:39:16
Kevin Dougherty
know yeah.
00:39:17
Brandon
I mean, they don't fail to leave the human imagination to really wander.
00:39:18
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:39:23
Brandon
So that was something that I thought that they did very effectively there. ah Because, you know, at one, you know, it looks like they're about to like, because she gets like a smile on her face right as she goes at him at the end. So like, that's something Jason definitely never experienced. to Somebody like coming at, like stepping to him and yet stepping to him with like,
00:39:45
Brandon
no fear and maybe even confidence and like you know i mean and i it also though leads you to wonder do would they actually go at it were they going to battle or were they going to go up and jason was going to do that thing where he kind of like tilts his head like you know what i mean like that weird luck thing you know what mean where he does the uh
00:39:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah,
00:40:05
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah, like a dog. Yeah, yeah.
00:40:11
Brandon
incorporated that in the South Park where they had Jason in there. And, you know, um I was wondering, like, would they just come face to face and just stare each other down?
00:40:22
Brandon
And then, like, she would just, like, kind of go off with the butcher knife and he would just kind of stalk after her with the machete and, like, they would start killing in tandem. Like, you know what I mean?
00:40:34
Kevin Dougherty
You get this half of the lake, I get this half of the lake.
00:40:35
Brandon
Like, his mother reborn...
00:40:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:38
Brandon
Yeah, like his mother reborn, and like Jason goes off, and yeah, Jason starts wiping out one half, she starts wiping out the other half, and they meet in the middle. And then the cycle just repeats.
00:40:48
Kevin Dougherty
there there
00:40:51
Kevin Dougherty
yeah but
00:40:52
Brandon
you know Because Jason, the one thing I hear what you're saying about how he was waiting for in the water and everything, but I had to figure, it seems like most of the kills we see are off camera.
00:41:05
Brandon
Like you pointed out how everybody, so the majority, we only see three actual kills, I think, with the fiance, the propeller guy, and then the girl that had the apple cutter who gets stabbed.
00:41:05
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yes, yes.
00:41:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:41:20
Brandon
So I think that's the only kills we actually see on screen and everybody else. So Jason was doing a substantial amount of killing. So he was working his way through like systematically.
00:41:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, he was he was straight daytime killing. Like, he wasn't even waiting until the night.
00:41:35
Brandon
Yeah, daytime killing, and it seemed like he just, like the two people on the patio, it seemed like he just walked up to them.
00:41:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:41:44
Brandon
ah Like, hey, I'm Jason, you're dead.
00:41:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:41:46
Brandon
Nah, nah, nah.
00:41:46
Kevin Dougherty
Like, they didn't even bother to get up. He was like he's like, don't get up, we'll make this quick. But, like yeah, like the fact that he was just he wasn't out there you know just you know not doing anything during the day like he normally will hunt at night, but he was out there murdering people during the day, like people, broad daylight, people can see him.
00:42:06
Kevin Dougherty
So yeah, overall, I liked this short very much.
00:42:07
Brandon
Yeah.
00:42:10
Kevin Dougherty
And I just watched it before we came on.
00:42:10
Brandon
Yeah, me too. Yeah.
00:42:12
Kevin Dougherty
So it was like real fresh. So i was just throwing
00:42:13
Brandon
Yeah, you were saying wanted it fresh. And I think the fact that we're about, we I mean, it was a 15 minute short and we've been talking about for what about a half hour. I think that's emblematic.
00:42:25
Brandon
That like you know it really merits like a discussion, you know, a lot work went into it a lot of thought and it had good production value and I will just say this.
00:42:37
Brandon
um And you know you can tell me what you think, but you know i've been. Very vocal on this cast about how skeptical I am about the reemergence of the Friday the 13th franchise.
00:42:50
Brandon
But with the new, very positive news coming from Crystal Lake that's a little bit hard to deny now, the confirmation of a new game and you know the apparent ceasefire and the legal entanglements with Cunningham and that other idiot.
00:43:09
Brandon
It does appear with this short, this is exactly the way you would go about raising interest to a franchise that just simply hasn't existed in the minds of a lot of you know teenagers and you know young adults these days.
00:43:30
Brandon
So this this is the national campaign. The fact that it was free for everyone to say, like, this is how you would want to reemerge a franchise.
00:43:40
Brandon
So I am now, i said I was never going to, like, give in until I actually saw something. Well, you know, I have seen something now. And my outlook is slowly but surely changing.
00:43:55
Kevin Dougherty
And now there's behind the scenes photo of Crystal Lake, the series.
00:43:55
Brandon
And yes.
00:43:58
Kevin Dougherty
So you can actually see something from there. And they're shooting in New Jersey at the original where they originally shot the first one.
00:44:02
Brandon
Yes.
00:44:05
Brandon
And ah in Phillipsburg, where we've been many times, we had a friend whose band played up there. I mean, you went up there and we spent some time up there. Yeah, I mean, it's way up there north of Frenchtown.
00:44:18
Brandon
think it was an old steel mining town, and, uh, yeah, I mean, there, it's a very hilly, uh, lots of, uh, lots of, like, rocky wilderness terrain, so, yeah, I mean, definitely a good place, uh, to shoot, i'm really glad that they're shooting it on location where they shot some of the, uh, early, uh, earlier films, so, uh,
00:44:40
Kevin Dougherty
And it looks like we're actually going to see some of the town this time. I mean, feel like in one of the other ones, I can't remember which one, that there was like some houses that they went to that weren't far from where the cabins were.
00:44:44
Brandon
yeah
00:44:53
Brandon
Yeah.
00:44:54
Kevin Dougherty
I believe it was Jason Lives.
00:44:57
Brandon
it
00:44:57
Kevin Dougherty
ah
00:44:58
Brandon
I think so, too.
00:44:58
Kevin Dougherty
No.
00:44:59
Brandon
Well, it was, it might have been, it might have been the final chapter.
00:44:59
Kevin Dougherty
No, it was Final Friday.
00:45:04
Kevin Dougherty
Final chapter, yeah, because it was Corey Feldman, I believe.
00:45:05
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah, it was the, it was the fourth, it was the fourth film.
00:45:06
Kevin Dougherty
He lived in house.
00:45:09
Brandon
Yeah.
00:45:09
Kevin Dougherty
He lived in a house in that town, so but we didn't really get to see like the whole town, so we'll actually get to see some of that in this series, I hope, which will be really cool.
00:45:12
Brandon
Yeah.
00:45:18
Kevin Dougherty
um But yeah, um last thing I wanted to say about the the short was, like you said, it is a very good start and a good good way to bring back you know, the series. And what I, another thing I liked about it was it wasn't just like a regular ah kill thing. It like, like we, like I just watched and didn't read anything else about it and was able to like, you know, figure out, Oh, okay. She drowned in the lake. You know what mean? it Without it holding your hand, it told you the story without holding your hand and telling you what was happening.
00:45:49
Kevin Dougherty
It made you come to the, made you come to the conclusion of that's what happened at this lake on your own without being like, Oh,
00:45:49
Brandon
Yeah.
00:45:58
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, how did you survive? You've been drowning for hours. You know what mean? Like, it like, I like that.
00:46:02
Brandon
Yeah.
00:46:02
Kevin Dougherty
It didn't, it didn't tell you what was happening. It showed you and made you come up with your theories on what had happened.
00:46:05
Brandon
Yeah.
00:46:08
Kevin Dougherty
So, yeah.
00:46:10
Brandon
and did that And in that respect, a kind of like extends. Yeah. the movie beyond that 15 minute marker, because, you know, you're going to be, you know, uh, like I said, we've already been talking about, uh, the movie for, you know, over, over a half hour. And, uh, yeah, I mean, the, the imagination is just going to carry.
00:46:34
Brandon
And, uh, yeah, I just think this is a great way jumpstart the franchise again. And, uh,
00:46:39
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:46:40
Brandon
that's That's pretty much all I have. Do you have any final words of wisdom or any other news that you have on the horizon?
00:46:46
Kevin Dougherty
yeah i mean i'm not sure no well i'm just not sure how i would like i liked how they did it for the short but going forward for the series and other movies i'm not sure how i feel if anybody just drowns there they come back as a ah thing but they're gonna they i mean they're gonna need to explain that a little bit better and maybe like the crystal lake series can it's some like ancient evil or something in the fucking lake or something but i kind of always like the theory that uh he was brought back using the necronomicon and like so then it's i think because i believe that ties into um the freddie versus jason versus ash
00:47:04
Brandon
Agreed.
00:47:25
Brandon
Don't they talk about that in Jason goes to hell? Uh, in, in, then it was the ninth movie. And, uh, I think, like I mean, it was real ridiculous.
00:47:37
Brandon
Jason's spirit basically passes from person to person like that creature did in, uh,
00:47:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:47:45
Brandon
Kyle MacLachlan, The Hidden. and ah But and don't they make references to the Necronomicon in that? I think they do, but I'm not 100% certain.
00:47:53
Kevin Dougherty
It might have. It's
00:47:58
Brandon
But I think they make well they make a reference that like an ancient evil has brought them back. And then in Jason X, Jason in Space... in the very beginning, the guy says, we're keeping Jason alive.
00:48:11
Brandon
His ability to regenerate human tissue is, you know, something we've never seen before. That's why we have him in, ah you know, Carbonite, and we're studying him.
00:48:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:48:23
Brandon
So, you know, but with with me, I don't think they're going to show that at all.
00:48:24
Kevin Dougherty
I think it was in
00:48:28
Brandon
I think it was just in this short. I don't think it's going to be present in the series or in future films.
00:48:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:48:33
Brandon
I don't think anyone is going to come back from...
00:48:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:48:37
Brandon
you know, death in the lake. That's mine.
00:48:39
Kevin Dougherty
Besides Jason.
00:48:39
Brandon
Yeah.
00:48:40
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah, I think it definitely has to be something with his mother using some type of, you know... magic or some spell or something like that for it to make sense for him to come back.
00:48:46
Brandon
Yeah.
00:48:50
Kevin Dougherty
And like because that's why I hope it is. I hope it's not just some dude. You know what i mean?
00:48:54
Brandon
Yeah.
00:48:54
Kevin Dougherty
I don't want it to be just some guy. I want it to be this unstoppable supernatural force.
00:49:00
Brandon
yeah
00:49:00
Kevin Dougherty
And I believe the Necronomicon actually tied into it in the Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash, which was originally supposed to be the next movie. But they and ended up turning that into the comic book series. Because I believe it's like Freddy's using Jason to get the Necronomicon to um get Freddy from the dream world into the real world.
00:49:21
Kevin Dougherty
And Ash is trying to stop him. I believe that's what the comic's about.
00:49:25
Brandon
yeah
00:49:25
Kevin Dougherty
Or that that might have been helping or that was what the original that might have been what the original script was.
00:49:26
Brandon
i'm not I'm not familiar with it, so i can't really i can't really speak to that, but I'll have take your word for it.
00:49:34
Kevin Dougherty
I can't remember. but yeah because i haven't gotten I didn't read all of the the comics, so I don't know.
00:49:39
Brandon
Yeah. I know the Necronomicon is mentioned, i believe, somewhere in the Freddy universe. I think in, like, the sixth film they, like, mention – They mention, like, how he escapes from hell and all that stuff and, you know, shit like that.
00:49:56
Brandon
But, I mean, I just never really put too much into into those stories and those obscure references. I mean, you know, ah that's not why I was watching those movies for.
00:50:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I wouldn't mind this happening at some point down the line where if they are able to reboot um Nightmare and on Elm Street without, you know, with a new Freddy Krueger, like, without...
00:50:13
Brandon
Yeah.
00:50:24
Brandon
I'd rather not see Freddy and Jason Tangle ever again.
00:50:24
Kevin Dougherty
ah final I want to see...
00:50:27
Brandon
I don't want to see them like, you know, you know, I mean, unless somebody like maybe mentions Freddy Krueger in a Friday the 13th movie or something.
00:50:32
Kevin Dougherty
um don't want to see
00:50:38
Brandon
I don't ever want to see them occupy the same space in the same film or the same series ever again.
00:50:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I think the only way I want to see either Freddy or Michael Myers in the Jason universe is if it's a ah movie that also exists in that universe. Like somebody's watching it on somebody's watching Halloween on TV or something like that in the movie.
00:50:55
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:01
Kevin Dougherty
That's fine with me, but. I wouldn't mind having the Necronomicon in there. I mean, they obviously, you're not going to get Bruce Campbell to come back as Ash, so we'll never see Jason versus Ash.
00:51:12
Kevin Dougherty
But just including, I think, the Necronomicon itself, even if there's no other links to with Evil Dead, because I think that's a really, like, the Book of the Dead is a great way to bring somebody back to life.
00:51:23
Kevin Dougherty
So I would like it.
00:51:24
Brandon
No, of course, I mean, yeah, I mean, that's one of its main purposes,
00:51:27
Kevin Dougherty
And it could just be more of an Easter egg to the other movies and never actually crossover, which, which I think would be cool.
00:51:31
Brandon
true that, true that, no, I mean, I think we, uh, covered this, um, like I said, you know, this, uh, made me very enthusiastic, I felt very happy, I watched it twice, and, uh,
00:51:33
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah, that's all I got. Did you have any final thoughts?
00:51:47
Brandon
I skimmed over it again a third time before the cast, and you know I'll probably watch it a few more times while I'm waiting for more content to come out. But yeah, no, that's all I got.
00:52:01
Brandon
Thank you for joining us. Good night and good the luck.
00:52:05
Kevin Dougherty
And don't forget to follow us social media. It's Fright Central on Facebook. And we will be back same time ah next week, even though I will post this way later than I normally do.
00:52:20
Kevin Dougherty
I've been changing it up to Fridays instead of Sundays. So, yeah, keep a lookout for that. All right. Thanks.