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3 body Problem
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We discuss Netlix's 3sci-fi series 3 body problem
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Keck
you
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kevindoc81
All right.
Introduction to Fright Central
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kevindoc81
Welcome back to Fright Central. I'm back here again with Keck. How's it going?
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Keck
It is going what's going on then Yep,
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kevindoc81
I guess I probably should've introduced myself as well. I'm Doc. But, uh, we're going to talk about three-body problem, uh, tonight.
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Keck
it's all good Well,
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kevindoc81
Uh, sure they came out back in March, but I did have two quick news updates.
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kevindoc81
One, up I thought it feels like it feels like it cause I watched so much stuff in between then.
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Keck
I thought you said I came back out in January I
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Keck
oh Yeah, because of because of your fucking gross consumption of everything. are gotcha everything everything You just consume content.
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kevindoc81
Yeah, not just hard, but if everything in general, yeah. Yeah.
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Keck
That's what you do.
Amazon MGM's Poltergeist Series
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kevindoc81
But there, I don't know if i we talked about at some point about Amazon doing a poltergeist TV series.
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Keck
I don't recall that.
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kevindoc81
Okay, but yeah, the I don't know if it's going to be on MGM or Amazon, but it's Amazon MGM Studios. But yeah, they're going to do a series based on Poltergeist, and they've got their showrunners, Kalinda Vasquez.
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kevindoc81
I'm not sure if I'm saying and any of these names right.
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Keck
but so That sounds very familiar, yeah.
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kevindoc81
They were one of the showrunners, or they worked on Fear of the Walking Dead, and Robbie Thompson from Supernatural. So there's no plot details, except for the fact that it's inspired by the 82 horror films.
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kevindoc81
We got nothing. Oh, that house is on up for sale right now, too. The original Poltergeist house.
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Keck
the poulter guy I don't know that much about the Poltergeist house.
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kevindoc81
Well, I mean, they removed the headstones, but they didn't remove the bodies.
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Keck
Oh yeah, I yeah i know i know that. i mean like When I think about like cool houses that were used in horror, I always think about the Amityville house.
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kevindoc81
and Yeah.
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Keck
That looks like it's a face. like That would have been awesome if that was the Poltergeist house though. but Anyway, yeah, they removed the headstones.
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kevindoc81
yeah Yeah, this one's better.
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Keck
yeah that that That was the error.
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kevindoc81
Yeah, it's not far from me. It's in the Simi Valley. It's up for actually at 1.174 million.
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kevindoc81
So yeah, four bedroom, two and a half bath.
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Keck
dead and he has a nice place
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kevindoc81
but sos So that's pretty good steel. It's got a big backyard with a pool. But yeah, uh, anyway, that was the Poltergeist
Upcoming Crystal Lake Show
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kevindoc81
news. And then I've got a news update for Crystal Lake.
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kevindoc81
Uh, they've got their show runner, which is Brad, Brad Caleb Kane, uh, who recently just got done working on, uh, it, Welcome to Dairy, the HBO series.
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Keck
go on
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kevindoc81
So, I mean, I don't, I've only seen little teasers for that show, so I can't really speak on the quality of that. Uh, but.
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Keck
I haven't seen it. I didn't. The only thing I know about is that you had mentioned that it exists. But again, like for me, like Friday the 13th, it's dead. I have no hope of ever seeing anything.
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Keck
So like everything you say to me is just like meaningless until like that shit comes out.
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kevindoc81
thank but these terrorized
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Keck
That's when I'll believe it. Like as far as I'm concerned, everyone's lying.
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kevindoc81
Oh, he also worked on a Tokyo Vice, Black Sails, and Warrior.
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Keck
I'm not kidding.
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Keck
Black Sails like the the star show with the Pirates Because it ended at it had four seasons and then at the end like one of the main Characters like Captain Flint.
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
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kevindoc81
yeah
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Keck
He actually was still alive so there's definitely like room for them to make like a Comeback if they won even using like the same characters because a lot of them were still alive at the end
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
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Keck
Wait, so that there there's a spin-off coming out of that or it's like going to just be like a totally new thing.
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kevindoc81
No, no, no. The the but new showrunner for Crystal Lake worked on, worked on Black Cube's album.
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Keck
Oh. Oh, shit. I'm sorry. I totally misunderstood what you were saying.
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kevindoc81
Yeah. Well, I mean a wish.
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Keck
My bad. yeah I thought you were like, oh, like black sales is like coming back.
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kevindoc81
but
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Keck
All right. Well, that's cool.
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kevindoc81
No, no, no, he worked on Black Sails Fringe Warrior, which was based on some story by Bruce Lee. That was really good. That's on Max and Tokyo Vice.
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kevindoc81
So yeah I mean, and and the more recent It series, you know, it they got Bill Skarsgard back. So I don't know.
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Keck
i looked I looked for the it series I couldn't find
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kevindoc81
I'm excited.
Misleading Promotions on HBO
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Keck
it is it like out okay okay that would be well that would be why yeah
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kevindoc81
It's not out yet.
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kevindoc81
Yeah, I think there's only small teasers out right now, but I know they finished production recently.
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Keck
jo
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kevindoc81
So it's in post-production right now. So I guess he's not needed on that. I'll see. I don't know if that means we're not going to get a season two or if there was only a season one or if he's not going to be involved.
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Keck
Yeah might be like something that's just like a limited miniseries type thing like I don't know like HBO is like known for doing that.
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kevindoc81
well so
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kevindoc81
Which good.
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Keck
Recently HBO has been doing this thing that really pissed me off because I really only look on the HBO website to see like what's coming out and like what is out. and then all look into it like later. But HBO's been doing this thing where like they bring in like British shows and foreign shows and like introduce them as if like they're like brand new HBO originals. But really, like you know they've been you know they're like five to 10 years old, or they already have like five seasons, and it's all like extremely British.
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Keck
And, uh, yeah, it's, uh, kind of fucks me up because, like, I wanna, you know, see that new shit. And I think this is new and, like, I start watching it and I'm like, wow, you know, this is not good.
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Keck
And it's like, very antiquated, you know what I mean?
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kevindoc81
method
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kevindoc81
Yeah, I know on Netflix did this I think other companies do the same thing when they buy Yeah
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Keck
Oh no, I'm sure they do. I just noticed HBO doing it. like There was a show called Industry that I wanted to check out, and it had Kit Harrington's face on the front of it.
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kevindoc81
yeah
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Keck
And I was like, oh, this looks all right. They had showed this heated exchange. And so I started just before watching it, I wanted to see like you know who else was in it.
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Keck
And it turns out that like they're in their fourth season, and in their fourth season, they're at episode two. And Kit Harington has only started appearing in the fourth season.
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Keck
so And his face is on the cover of the whole thing. So he's only been in two episodes.
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
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kevindoc81
Yeah, they'll do that for new episodes if a star named stars in it and they start looking at, okay, this is the new poster for the new season.
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Keck
Yeah.
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kevindoc81
That doesn't necessarily mean it was in previous seasons, but yeah.
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Keck
It's just bullshit. Yeah, like they just had, you know, I'm talking about like, uh, like on HBO or HBO max, like just on the main posts. I'm not like talking about like a poster you see on the street.
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Keck
I'm talking about what they post and it was, it was only him.
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kevindoc81
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Keck
Like there was no one else.
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kevindoc81
yeah
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Keck
It's just him and like, you know, Hey, I'm Karen. You know what I mean? Like, so I just assumed.
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kevindoc81
Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like they don't put the people that have been on the show already for like fucking four seasons, like.
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Keck
Yeah, the last I think they have like their 12 episode seasons He's so far been in two episodes out of you know, all that so, you know, I'm just saying that's Yeah, I'm
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kevindoc81
So like the shadows really revolve around him at all.
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kevindoc81
Okay. Well, that's, that's, I thought you'd be excited for that news since they, it looks like it's taken a step in my direction.
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Keck
not excited. I I just have I have no hope yeah, I am excited I guess in the sense that like Well, no, I mean, well, I'm excited in the sense that, like, it could possibly happen, but, like, I gotta tell you, when you just, like, give up and let go and embrace the darkness, that there really is just no hope. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you're already dead.
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Keck
Anything that happens after that that you didn't expect is good So, you know, yeah, I'm excited in the fact that like it could happen But I have no hope whatsoever that ever will I'd be shocked if I saw some Friday the 13th content that came out anytime in the I don't know, next two years that was even fathomably decent material. So that's where I'm at.
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kevindoc81
Alright, I mean it took, so what, it's gonna take six years between then when they first announced the Alien TV series for it to be released.
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Keck
But there's been like alien movies and stuff in like the interim.
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kevindoc81
because it was
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kevindoc81
Well, that's Not, well, except for this movie.
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Keck
Like, you know, there's been like alien content in like the last like, you know, four or five years.
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kevindoc81
There isn't, well, 2017?
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Keck
what When was the last Alien movie?
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Keck
i Yeah, 2017, 2018. So like a year or two before the pandemic.
Introduction to Three-Body Problem on Netflix
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Keck
So for to for me, that's like alien content in like the recent past.
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
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Keck
Like I think Friday the 13th, as we've said, it's been before 2010, you know, we're taught, if it's been 15 years.
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kevindoc81
I love that you did something else.
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kevindoc81
Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah. Well, there's a the TV series and the and the movie that just came out two weeks ago. That was originally going to be put on the Hulu like they did with Prey.
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kevindoc81
And I guess they decided, no, maybe we should put that shit in theaters and make some fucking money.
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Keck
we and maybe we can you know we can make some other fucking money up holy well that whoever did that had the right idea three-body prop prop pop problem three-body arm what yeah
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kevindoc81
Yeah, I think it made 108 million worldwide this past weekend. So yeah. Yeah, so yeah, let's talk about three body problem.
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kevindoc81
so
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kevindoc81
Problem. Came out March 21st on Netflix. So we're still a little behind on talking about it, but that should give everybody plenty of time to watch season one.
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Keck
Yeah, forget I never really, aside from like a high school elective, I didn't take physics in college. It's always something that interests me. But I never read like a whole lot of like Isaac Newton, aside from like you know the essential shit all of us were taught.
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Keck
But I was just doing a little bit of like theoretical research on like the three body problem concept. and Well, apparently, like whenever you search Google now, if it can, Google is like integrated with some kind of AI system where it automatically does an AI generated thing before it gives you anything else.
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Keck
So just like a little, I'll mix in my own stuff, but just as an overview, aside from the Netflix show, the three-body problem is a physics problem. And it basically asks how three objects move when they attract each other through gravity. And I'm assuming through gravity in space.
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Keck
So the problem could be like movement of the Earth, Moon, and Sun. The problem is, at this point, hypothetical and assumes that two bodies of positive mass move in circles around the center of mass, while a third body with zero mass moves in a plane close to one of the positive mass points that's pretty much me and AI like trying to blend in and explain it as easy as I can because it actually looks like it's a pretty easy problem but there are problems to the problem
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Keck
And even mentions this, the problem is chaotic for most initial conditions and there is no general closed form solution. This means that small differences can amplify and lead to unpredictable future behavior and that is one of the key concepts of the show which we will get into in the next few
Key Points and Initial Thoughts on Three-Body Problem
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Keck
minutes. Scientists have been unable to find a starting point for three objects to form stable orbits
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Keck
but have recently made progress using computational algorithms and other methods such as artificial intelligence, which is pretty fucking cool. And the theory body problem is also a Netflix show that some say is a social commentary that critiques human nature and history. There's more but I'm going to get off of, you know, all that fucking jazz for now.
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Keck
and just hop into the show with our opinions. Dock.
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kevindoc81
Yeah, I mean, initial thoughts from when I finished it yeah I enjoyed it but like yeah it's been so long that I kind of forgot a lot of what happened and I had to watch like a little recap video that to help figure out what was going on.
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Keck
Initial.
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Keck
Nothing wrong with that.
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kevindoc81
But, you know, I'd only watched it once but yeah I enjoyed it overall. Even though it was definitely some more, like, out there sci-fi themes that that I haven't heard about before. I didn't hear about the three-body problem until after the show when Neil deGrasse Tyson was talking about it. And I was like, oh, that's a real thing, okay.
Plot Unfolding in Three-Body Problem
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kevindoc81
so and then like I liked how they worked that into the show where certain characters have to put on this advanced like VR headset and have to help solve this problem for this. What they think is like just some fake world and they think it's a video game or whatever, but it's actually this alien race. is like home place that they have to like leave because their planet is constantly being like you know destroyed or will be destroyed so and they have like super advanced tech that they they can't it was like something they can't get to us for like another thousand years or whatever
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Keck
400 400 years Exactly that's where yeah
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kevindoc81
for Oh, 400 years, that's right. and then But their tech is so advanced that they can send a bunch of it here and and still fuck with us. like So it's not like we aren't already being invaded, but they won't get here for 400 years. Because at first I was like, oh, they're not going to be here for 400 years. I'm like, I don't care, like whatever. like But then I was like, that's kind of how like we are about you know the environment and shit. it's like oh like like gold war cabinet and like that's gonna fucking kill everybody but it's not gonna happen in my lifetime so fuck it you know I mean so yeah it was kind of a similar aspect in that sense
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Keck
Well, it starts off interesting because the initial beginning, i I really didn't know where they were going because it starts off, I believe, a showing in China during the many Chinese like inquisitions that they had where, you know a certain set of ideas is no longer allowed at all in society, and a little girl watches her father, I think they call it dunst or something like that, but he's supposed to like be on stage, and he's supposed to like renounce like all his ideas or like educational upbringing, and hail the new emperor and the new way of thinking.
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Keck
and he is in fact beaten to death and this like little girl watches it and she then gets into trouble in her later adult life like she was very young I think she was like late teens or early 20s or something like that and she gets arrested and they take her to like this military base and they're basically like look you have two choices you can either work for the government and you're gonna stay here and you're gonna work your fucking science craft and you're gonna be here until you die or you can just go back to prison it's up to you and she says this is exactly what I want I'll stay here forever and in the course of her being there she sort of like uh invents like
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Keck
a new way to kind of send out like radio waves like further than they had ever been before. and They're basically sending out you know messages like, hi, you know is anyone out there, anyone listening, blah, blah, blah, yeah to the aliens like we're currently doing.
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Keck
and She gets communication back. and This is what was interesting right in the beginning
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kevindoc81
five po She bounces it off the sun to extend the diva part.
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Keck
yeah she Yeah, that was her invention. like Somebody else tried to take credit for it too.
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
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Keck
But in the very beginning, this is actually something that is right now like a hot topic on like Reddit and all the discussion forums about it. Because they say it doesn't make sense.
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Keck
And it's in the very beginning, and I noticed it too, you might have as well. But when she first makes contact, she makes contact with them and somebody says, I'm a pacifist.
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Keck
in this world you know you've made contact yippee however if you try to contact again I'm not going to be able to keep this a secret the reason why I want to keep this as a secret is because I'm a pacifist and if my main race finds out that you've communicated with me we will come to your world and your world will be conquered and Later, it's sort of established that they're sort of a hive mind. So how one individual, like alien, could be speaking like as, you know, a single entity, that is sort of like what's been debated. We get a little more into it.
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Keck
but yeah he basically says you know i'm a pacifist on this world and he sends her back like repeated message do not respond do not respond let it go everything will be cool but you know she's scorned from the death of her father which is why i kind of went back that far and she realizes that in her interpretation the human race is doomed like, you know, uh, like the things you were saying, like she foresaw climate change, all the issues that were destroying the planet, the way we were treating each other, the way we were treating other organisms, and she's basically like, you know what? Fuck it.
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Keck
come like nothing could be worse than what's already going on we can't even take care of ourselves I will help you I will help you conquer this world and that's like I'm pretty sure that's the end of the first episode was like her fucking typing that in and I thought that was real baller and I knew I was gonna like after that
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kevindoc81
yeah come come be our new oval yeah i thought thought i didn't get to that part where she types in that she was the one to bring it to like later on i thought i kind of like
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Keck
No, in the very beginning, like she because you don't see her again until later on as she's an older woman. like and They kind of do flashbacks later in the episodes as to when she was young. so there's some play yeah obviously like I know it's been a while since you saw it.
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kevindoc81
yeah Yeah,
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Keck
but
Aliens Begin to Influence Earth
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kevindoc81
I just remember all that being in the first episode I remember being like the where he gets beats of death on stage. And then it's like them and, you know, the Oxford five, the group of like friends that were all like, you know, different.
00:20:27
Keck
yeah basically
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Keck
Yeah. Yep.
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kevindoc81
different scientific areas of expertise. They are like, you know, got meeting up again for the first time in a while because their friend had just committed suicide and then we find out that like a bunch of scientists have been committed suicide. That's where I kind of thought where the rest of that episode went.
00:20:59
Keck
Yeah, no, that's in the very, like after that you see the beating to death, that's in the very beginning of the first episode.
00:21:07
kevindoc81
Yeah, I still remember her contacting the aliens till and being like, y'all come get us till later on in the series.
00:21:07
Keck
You see that. Yeah.
00:21:15
Keck
Yeah, no, they show they show that like it's either the first or so I could be wrong Maybe it's the second episode but it's in the very beginning of the show She does that and then you don't see her again till later on and you don't find out until like mid to sort of end way through the season that like they have initially been trying to experiment with sending their
00:21:24
kevindoc81
okay
00:21:42
Keck
I think they call them photon computers. Basically they're basically trying to send information to us that fucks with our theoretical knowledge of physics.
00:21:54
Keck
So like stuff that like we have had proven throughout the you know the course of our history as to how we understand like what's going on in the universe.
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:22:06
Keck
there sending basically bullshit at us like stuff that's supposed to make our scientists go in circles and they had been doing that for a while before like there was any like widespread knowledge of uh... contact which you know comes in that one episode when they were like we will teach you how to fear again and then like the whole world basically gets encased in that huge eye and like I mean there's so much shit to talk about between now like it this is almost impossible to do like a fucking 45 minute even an hour and a half podcast about all the intricacies there are because you have what the show runners were doing the creators were doing and then you actually have the real like uh you know uh
00:22:37
kevindoc81
Yeah, you are us.
00:23:02
Keck
uh... physics equation the actual algorithm that of uh... physicians have not physicians uh... how on not doctors uh...
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Keck
how do you say a physicist physicist sorry i'm saying position how physicists have been actually debating for a long time since like you know the uh...
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kevindoc81
yeah so you ph
00:23:26
Keck
stuff that uh... isaac newt had first written so you know there's so many things to go into so the only thing i can think of the is now that we laid the groundwork uh...
00:23:38
Keck
just a little bit about characters and what were your thoughts of like the cast, the characters, and how the show progressed?
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kevindoc81
I thought it was good. I thought it was a a good mix of characters. I mean, it's got some recognizable Game of Thrones people in it, like...
00:24:00
Keck
who was I know Sam was in there, was there somebody else from Game of Thrones?
00:24:03
kevindoc81
The Onion Knight?
00:24:04
Keck
and Oh yeah, the main dude!
00:24:07
kevindoc81
Yeah, The Onion Knight, who was the...
00:24:08
Keck
He was terrific!
00:24:10
kevindoc81
Yeah, and the leader of the... One of the leaders of the cult was that priest...
00:24:20
Keck
Oh yeah, the High Sparrow!
00:24:24
kevindoc81
Yeah. yeah
00:24:25
Keck
Yeah, I didn't even, you know, I've seen him in a lot of other stuff.
00:24:31
kevindoc81
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:32
Keck
Yeah, so but basically what happens is at some point when the young Chinese girl, the the fall of that particular regime in China comes down and she gets kind of like bailed out.
00:24:47
kevindoc81
yeah
00:24:47
Keck
She basically breaks out and she meets like this young guy who has like the similar interest that she has and He has like the ability to he had like a lot of funding he had the He had a lot of investors and he was trying to like save people he was trying to save the environment and to try to just skip ahead through a bunch of fucking nonsense and
00:25:13
Keck
Lots of years go by and he rents this gigantic oil tanker that he like transforms into like a commercial vessel where they have like all this like satellite communication shit that allows them to communicate with the aliens that are called the oh god the sautee or some oh my god I can't
00:25:38
kevindoc81
and oh sun tea sunday
00:25:39
Keck
Yes, but they address them as Lord
00:25:41
kevindoc81
you the fote
Alien Technology and Character Responses
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Keck
that is like the name like, you know, they're gods basically to them and yeah, but they get like this oil tanker What's that?
00:25:44
kevindoc81
It's more a giant cruise ship than an oil rig. more like a giant cruise ship than an oil ra
00:25:57
Keck
well they say it was an oil rig that was because of episode five they talk about they wanted to understand how many people could possibly be on it and I believe they say that it was like a giant oil frigate which are you know huge ships that are basically designed to carry as much weight in oil as possible so that would be like a choice vehicle to try to convert
00:26:09
kevindoc81
Oh yeah.
00:26:16
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:26:26
Keck
to, you know, a commercial thing because you could put a lot of equipment and stuff on that. Similar to that real baller fucking ship they had for aircraft in what I watched recently, Godzilla, the Kong, Skull Island that you had told me to watch.
00:26:44
Keck
where they had all the choppers going, yeah, I finally saw that.
00:26:44
kevindoc81
Are you asking? Yeah.
00:26:47
Keck
just We could branch out into a cast of that all itself, but like i was like I was counting the amount of helicopters they had on there because you know they were trying to send everything out.
00:26:51
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:26:58
Keck
and Yeah, so they had all this equipment on there and it was it allowed them a few different things. It allowed them total privacy. So they were able to like basically pick up a bunch of people that wanted to be in the army of the Lord or part of like you know helping them with the initial invasion of our planet.
00:27:23
Keck
Basically, traitors to the Earth.
00:27:25
kevindoc81
yeah
00:27:25
Keck
And it gave them the ability of total isolation.
00:27:25
kevindoc81
yeah yeah
00:27:29
Keck
They were able to pull the true believers on there, and they were able to work this out. And at the same time, they had this crazy the aliens had this crazy ability to like cloak them from harm.
00:27:42
Keck
They were protecting them. And that's something we didn't mention, and I was wondering your ideas on this.
00:27:49
kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:27:51
Keck
They were able to manipulate our vision and like directly manipulate an individual's fate by putting a timer that they could say. Do you remember that?
00:28:01
kevindoc81
yeah yeah it was like the man Yeah, yeah, that the the lights blinking in the sky when that that chick is like, hey, this is what time the lights are going to blink in the sky and then like they blanket the sky and then like they can't find video for it all because like they have kind of like whites.
00:28:02
Keck
I thought that was real bugged out. Like that scared the fucking shit out.
00:28:19
Keck
Yeah, that's when they real like I thought one of things
00:28:22
kevindoc81
Thank you. She managed the whole thing.
00:28:25
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:28:25
Keck
yeah I thought one of two things I thought one she was maybe a little bit mentally unstable or like the aliens were just like fucking wet her head or something like that beaming stuff and they were gonna play her as crazy but yeah they went in the other route where the aliens were just like able to like scrub our footage like they're basically in like all of our computers they were able to like get in
00:28:37
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:28:49
kevindoc81
think But remember, they didn't even see, they they were able to scrub it. So Benedict Wong, one of the other FBI guys was trying, he was watching Samwell Tarly.
00:29:03
kevindoc81
And remember when he gets, uh, yeah, you don't see her at all.
00:29:05
Keck
Yeah, and you seem like getting picked up and stuff like that. Yeah, so there was something in there with him. Yeah.
00:29:11
kevindoc81
Yeah. Yeah. You don't see her at all in there. So yeah. So they were able to not just do that with, you know, through television screens or through circuitry, they were able to do that straight in front of your eyes.
00:29:21
Keck
yeah Yeah, no, that shit was actually happening. There was like a being doing the damage and they were just able to like predator cloak them out of everything.
00:29:33
kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah.
00:29:33
Keck
So yeah, there was like an actual entity in there with them at all times. And yeah, I mean, the VR was I thought really, really cool. But it also kind of like made me think, like because they find these VR headsets, where they're just like shiny metal that fit on a human skull.
00:29:53
Keck
And all you have to do is put it on, and like you know it goes into a technology that is just eons beyond anything we have.
00:29:53
kevindoc81
yeah
00:30:03
Keck
you know even like They were like, where did you get? like Doc, if me and you found those, we would both say the same thing.
00:30:11
kevindoc81
yeah
00:30:11
Keck
We just found alien technology like this is shit We know we don't have and that was something that sort of pissed me off was that like the group of friends didn't be like alright, so This is alien shit that our friend was fucking with Yeah Yeah
00:30:29
kevindoc81
Yeah Yeah, if it is me and you and we're immediately thinking that like these are fucking like physicists and shit who like wouldn't know if that shit was even possible. And they were like, if it's not fucking possible.
00:30:42
Keck
Yeah.
00:30:42
kevindoc81
And they weren't like, yeah, it's it might be alien tech, you know, they're just like, this is some fancy new fucking VR thing. Yeah.
00:30:50
Keck
Yeah, and it should also, I guess, be noted that the the woman from China who event who initially asked them to come to the planet and said she'd help conquer, it turns out that in the beginning, they're all devastated by the suicide of their friend, which you had mentioned earlier.
00:30:51
kevindoc81
So yeah.
00:31:10
kevindoc81
yeah
00:31:10
Keck
We later find out that like her mother was actually the mother of the girl that committed suicide. was actually the daughter of that young Chinese girl that welcomed the invasion.
00:31:24
Keck
And when she found out her mother was doing that, and I know I'm bouncing around, but that's just kind
Character Discussions and Alien Interactions
00:31:31
Keck
of how the show goes.
00:31:31
kevindoc81
but so Yeah.
00:31:32
Keck
Like, you know what I mean?
00:31:33
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:31:34
Keck
It's just like pinging, you know, it's the three-body problem.
00:31:34
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:31:37
Keck
It's just pinging around. And, you know, it's just like, yeah, they find out that.
00:31:39
kevindoc81
yeah
00:31:42
Keck
And yeah, and things just start going down the rabbit hole. really rapidly, right?
00:31:50
kevindoc81
yeah yeah i was like when she's like the one chick she starts seeing the visions and like then like she's like yeah you gotta shut down your like nano uh your nano project otherwise like you're gonna be fucking next pretty much and then the countdown stops
00:31:50
Keck
I mean...
00:32:03
Keck
Oh yeah, the alien's telling her to do that, yep.
00:32:06
kevindoc81
Yeah. And then, uh, later on, like when like they, they find out that it's real and shit, which like, I didn't like Samuel Tarly's, uh, character like the whole time. Cause he was like, kind of like this arrogant prank, but like, I respected him when like, as soon as you found out that they were aliens and shit.
00:32:20
kevindoc81
And he was just like, nope, I'm out of this shit. Like there's cults and keep your shit.
00:32:23
Keck
yeah yeah no i mean he actually acted like somewhat rationally as to what you would think somebody would do and like the real world like i mean i don't know what i would do in that situation i would think maybe i would try to like contact like
00:32:25
kevindoc81
I'm out. Peace. And like, yeah.
00:32:32
kevindoc81
yeah
00:32:44
Keck
somebody i trust it in law enforcement maybe to like give me an introduction to somebody else like higher up and be like yo like i found out this like i don't want you to lock me up as a crazy person i also don't want to go to jail for knowing shit i'm not supposed to know but like yo aliens is a common man
00:33:10
Keck
I mean, what do you do when you find that out? I mean, unless you have go-betweens, you know, there's just no other way around it.
00:33:13
kevindoc81
Well, first of all
00:33:18
Keck
You're gonna look like a fucking nutjob.
00:33:22
kevindoc81
well i mean if you have as much money as he does and but the thing is like the way he went about it was wrong like if you're in a fucking like some sketchy fucking warehouse or whatever and it's just you two some random fucking lady they they just told you and they're super fucking conspiracy or whatever you don't tell them right there that you're like ow you're like and then as soon as you get an opportunity you take your fucking money you change your whole fucking identity you fucking
00:33:25
Keck
Yeah.
00:33:31
Keck
You think?
00:33:41
Keck
Yeah, exactly!
00:33:51
kevindoc81
bounce.
00:33:52
Keck
yeah or you betray them you know like you know you don't want to betray the earth and everybody on it so like you're like yo man i'm real pumped about that like you know i i want to know more like i'm into this give me an assignment like you know i mean like let me uh you know they had a lot of like young female worshipers and stuff like you know try to get involved in however you can
00:33:53
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:34:06
kevindoc81
or try found yeah
00:34:18
Keck
And then get the hell out of there and like tell all your friends about it who are also you know and they had friends that were like They all kind of were together, and they knew that there was some shady shut shit So like they could have went back and were like, oh, you're not going to believe what happened.
00:34:34
kevindoc81
yeah
00:34:37
Keck
I was at this meeting, like blah, blah, blah. We need to take action right now. like Yeah, he was just like, he like got up and was just like, nah, I'm done. like you know I'm in the room all by myself by people who apparently have gotten, kind of you know.
00:34:47
kevindoc81
but
00:34:53
Keck
and like you know there are people with guns there and shit he just thought he'd go like get up and leave like it was super high security it was like you know you had to basically receive like a nano fucking head implant to get invited to this thing like he thought like that was just gonna fly and everything was gonna be cool
00:34:56
kevindoc81
Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:13
kevindoc81
yeah Yeah, I was surprised he made out of that room alive. like
00:35:17
Keck
I mean, they did have backup. There was backup. like they did have you know That whole meeting was being monitored by... like what uh...
00:35:28
Keck
it was british intelligence i don't know if it was and i a it was something like uh...
00:35:32
kevindoc81
yeah was
00:35:33
Keck
this most secret of the secret i don't know if cuz like uh... british intelligence has several different divisions i think uh... the onion night dude was trying to say that like his ship was like at like the highest possible level where they didn't even you know most people didn't even know it existed like when he tries to elicit help from
00:35:54
kevindoc81
Yeah, just ofus yeah.
00:35:56
Keck
Yes, it was like, you know, beyond like, you know, the CIA, it was like a a department that's not supposed to exist that only do shit.
00:35:57
kevindoc81
yeah
00:36:05
kevindoc81
yeah
00:36:06
Keck
So they, I think he realized, I don't know if he realized that they were monitoring it at the time, but like there was backup. But either way, he reacted very, very badly.
00:36:20
Keck
I mean, he thought what we would all be thinking, but he reacted very poorly.
00:36:25
kevindoc81
yeah exactly but then uh but then yeah it was on i know it was a different it was different the chick with the uh nanobytes which she had initially stopped it i forget why she restarted it i think it was
00:36:28
Keck
you know yeah there were a few times they had to uh...
00:36:42
kevindoc81
it
00:36:45
Keck
in the uh... you talk about like the one nano like wire things yeah uh...
00:36:51
kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know why she stopped because she thought that because the countdown and stuff, but then I forgot why she had restarted it.
00:36:54
Keck
it yeah when they get
00:36:59
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:36:59
Keck
And when you see like what happened to the countdown people, she had to temporarily restart it because she needed a little bit of data. The oil tanker that me and Doc were describing earlier about like the human to alien communication base.
00:37:18
Keck
they wanted to destroy that tanker and in order to do it in like a very stealthy and very like completionist way they needed a little bit more data so she has to go to her lab and she temporarily restarts to get like a few, I don't know if it was like algorithms or if she got like an actual physical piece of something she needed but she needed to power everything on and her countdown immediately restarts and like when she shuts it down it's down to like two or three seconds.
00:37:56
Keck
and then it disappears but yeah and then she gets it for use in episode five which is my favorite of the do you want to take it it seems like i'm talking everything i know you haven't seen it in a while but you did fucking physically watch it
00:38:04
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:38:10
kevindoc81
you can leave patient
Memorable Scenes and Their Impact
00:38:15
Keck
season five the tanker
00:38:15
kevindoc81
that was That was my favorite. Yeah, my favorite scene. Yeah.
00:38:20
Keck
I mean, it's got to be everybody's favorite scene. I mean, there's if you know you're not familiar with it and you've seen the show but you want to learn more, there's tons of YouTubers, posts on Reddit and I'm sure tons of social networking things as well as articles by various publications that review Netflix shows and other shows, and they all talk about how this scene was done.
00:38:48
Keck
And there's actually a lot of people that apparently hated this scene. I have no idea where they're coming from. I thought it was amazing. Do you want to like describe how it basically goes down?
00:39:00
Keck
like They're like setting up these nanofiber wires, and the ship is supposed to pass through it.
00:39:05
kevindoc81
market canal Yeah and basically if you've seen Resident Evil where those layers cut that dude into pieces that's Basically what it does to the entire ship like not just like a person but the entire ship and it just cuts them smaller and smaller cubes as it goes through yeah and
00:39:14
Keck
that's very good very very very good uh illustration yeah yeah i mean it was really i mean they did it in a way like it It was I thought it was very ambitious because I thought that they were just going to show like the ship going through this and it was going to start to break down and then maybe just like explode. But like they showed it so that each nano fiber.
00:39:50
Keck
saw through the entire ship from the very beginning all the way back into the fucking end. And it just goes through everything.
00:40:02
Keck
And I mean, it was kind of fucked up because it cut down kids, man.
00:40:06
kevindoc81
Yeah. Yeah. And you don't you you don't even see it coming either.
00:40:07
Keck
They killed everyone.
00:40:11
kevindoc81
Like it just cut somebody in half as people like, what the fuck just happened?
00:40:12
Keck
Yeah.
00:40:15
kevindoc81
And I'm like, yeah.
00:40:16
Keck
And the people that did see it coming is the worst. Like, for me, I'd rather have not seen it coming.
00:40:22
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:40:22
Keck
Like, just get solved in half real fast, it's over. But, like, I thought it was kind of of crazy, because they were showing, like, classfuls of, like, school children.
00:40:33
Keck
And they got fucking slaughtered. Like, it just kills everything. I'm not exactly 100% sure why they didn't think that they could maybe try taking the ship.
00:40:50
Keck
using other means where there weren't 100% casualties, but my guesstimation was is they realized that the lords were monitoring everything and they realized that her nanofibers were a serious threat to them.
00:41:11
Keck
Which is why they had to have her shut down the project. And I'm thinking that they thought, we have one chance at taking this ship out. And taking out the entire fucking command on Earth.
00:41:25
Keck
We're not gonna fuck this up, we have to kill everybody. That's the way I perceived it.
00:41:30
kevindoc81
Yeah, that's kind of odd.
00:41:31
Keck
Would you? Yeah.
00:41:32
kevindoc81
Yeah, like, yeah, we have to kill everybody and take it take out anyway.
00:41:36
Keck
It was brutal.
00:41:37
kevindoc81
Yeah. Yeah, my other favorite scenes were kind of more in the virtual reality when like, you know, it was showing like the different destructions.
00:41:46
Keck
oh Yeah, thought that was real really really really dude. It was really I mean the CGI was brilliant oh Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah That that was cool.
00:41:53
kevindoc81
Yeah, the ones like I forget all all the different ones, but definitely the one that where they're in like sucked up into the fucking like grab they were getting pulled up from the gravity and like end of Yeah,
00:42:06
Keck
I like the love like the like ancient like samurai type vibes that we're going on to oh
00:42:11
kevindoc81
yeah, that was cool. So yeah there was There was one other one that I was like, well, I wonder if this was the scene Keck was talking about. And I forget, I can't remember what it was, but it was definitely in the VR one.
00:42:23
kevindoc81
And it might have just been when like people were getting brutally murdered. And I was like, oh, I wonder if this is what Keck was talking about, that it wasn't.
00:42:29
Keck
Well there was the one where that like the little girl was riding through on a horse that was like on fire.
00:42:30
kevindoc81
You were ahead of me!
00:42:36
Keck
like there were a lot yeah like There were a lot of like brutal kills in the virtual reality thing.
00:42:38
kevindoc81
Oh, yeah.
00:42:43
Keck
apparently You could also get like it was some like you could feel the heat you could like feel like the sand underneath your finger Sam talks about like when he's first not invited and that check keeps killing them with the samurai sword He's like I could taste my own blood
00:43:02
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:43:02
Keck
Yeah, I mean, there were a lot of the hydrating thing, too. I'm wondering if that's going to come into play in, you know, seasons to come, because there is a big focus on when do we hydrate again? It made me think that like this species maybe was faced with situations where they had to go into like mass like hibernation.
00:43:30
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:43:30
Keck
as a species.
00:43:30
kevindoc81
Oh yeah. That's what it was when they, and that's what it was when they're fucking, they would be dehydrating their skin.
00:43:32
Keck
You know what I mean? like
00:43:36
Keck
Like...
00:43:37
kevindoc81
Yeah. That was, I was like, Oh shit.
00:43:37
Keck
Yes!
00:43:38
kevindoc81
Like, yeah, that's wild. Yeah. I forgot about that.
00:43:40
Keck
like sort of like the stasis pods from Alien, you know like when they had to tre like go like so they would all like you know like sort of like freeze their bodies in stasis like yeah for these aliens like it seemed like they would go into like a mass hibernation and wait until conditions were ripe to
00:43:42
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:44:01
Keck
and if they fucked that up they all died and of course that was of like uh the three-body problem that newton talked about is that like the slightest fuck up even something that you think is like minuscule that you do that initially seems like oh yeah this worked like cool we've got to the next stage of the algorithm or equation
00:44:09
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:44:27
Keck
but then like later on you would find out like maybe far later on that that thing you actually thought was helping you that you solved you fucked up and it was gonna come back and bite you in the ass and like it could like decimate you like by like 50% of your population or something so yeah I mean there's a lot to unpack man
00:44:53
kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:55
Keck
and You seem like fucking so stumped like like it's been like like three years since you've seen it Usually I'm the one that's like the dumbass and I'm just like asking you questions and like you have all the answers like it seems like it's been years like your head like you're fucking trying like you're like doing some flight at a navigator stuff or like they're like filling your head with star charts and
00:44:55
kevindoc81
Oh yeah, that was fascinating.
00:45:02
kevindoc81
Yeah, I'm like, oh yeah, no I remember that.
00:45:15
kevindoc81
this
00:45:18
kevindoc81
it nice It's not as fresh on my mind as as other things. so But episode
00:45:26
Keck
But yeah, like season 5, the ship scene, anybody that hears this obviously knows what we're talking about.
00:45:33
kevindoc81
five. Yeah.
00:45:35
Keck
I'm trying to think of, like, we didn't really discuss, there was the one character, the kid who was sick. And he had, yeah, we didn't really touch on that.
00:45:43
kevindoc81
Oh, yes and i yeah. And and Samuel leaves all his money to him because he you you always felt like he was going to get better and stuff like that.
00:45:50
Keck
Yeah.
00:45:53
kevindoc81
and But like yeah, that guy was like, you know,
00:45:56
Keck
He had some form of like cancer. It was a terminal thing that they weren't able to solve. And he also had like this like secret of romantic interest with one of the other characters that he chooses like never to reveal because he feels that she wouldn't feel the same way. She was, I think, like sleeping around with a lot of other guys and stuff.
00:46:20
Keck
and you know he didn't ever want her to know about it but they did something very interesting at the end where they they kind of like euthanized him but like cut his brain out and put it in like some form of like cryogenic stasis so that like the aliens like would be able to like communicate with him and so they take his brain and they put it in this fucking rocket ship and they were like shoot it at the uh fucking alien invading force like where they know it will be coming I guess they have the somehow they
00:46:57
Keck
have the full trajectory of like where the alien force is going to be coming and like they start denating like all these like atomic bombs because they you know need to get it up to like a certain speed as close as as they could as to like the speed of light even though they weren't going to be able to generate that I think they said they could get it so that like
00:47:10
kevindoc81
speed yeah yeah
00:47:19
Keck
He could like intercept them like like something like two hundred years or a hundred to two hundred years before they reached and I don't know exactly what he was supposed to do to them you know it was complicated but
00:47:35
kevindoc81
He went off course anyway.
00:47:35
Keck
they felt that he would like yeah they figured that he would like fuck with them in some way but yeah apparently the experiment went went like wildly wrong he goes off trajectory and his brain is headed for i don't know the center of the sun i don't really
00:47:53
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:47:54
Keck
But I don't that's something that I think is a little bit off in the season I have a feeling that his brain is going to Come back into play in season 2 now you had mentioned there's books So this might already have been revealed, but I don't know anything about that
00:48:08
kevindoc81
Yeah probably.
00:48:13
kevindoc81
Well, there's three, there's three books and this one basically covered most of one and a little bit of two. And there's it's based on like the the three books, the three body problem by this Chinese writer who apparently was putting, uh, just started putting these stories out like in some like magazine, you know, in China or whatever.
00:48:32
kevindoc81
And then it got, and then it got put together and published in the first book and then I did two more.
00:48:37
Keck
oh So he went like the Witcher route like the dude did in Poland like just like yeah So he just started like publishing like short stories in like a certain paper or something where people would read and
00:48:38
kevindoc81
it's a pretty random Like,
00:48:42
kevindoc81
like Yeah, this is like 2016-ish, like, so it's not even that that that old, so it's pretty new. I believe it's pretty new.
00:48:58
kevindoc81
Yeah, that's... from what I understand, that's what I read.
00:49:01
Keck
And after he like produced like, uh, enough of them, like, uh, he got approached like, uh, by, uh, an interest at party of some sort that said like, yo, like, yeah, like some publisher was like, yo, I've been reading your stories and whatever paper.
00:49:01
kevindoc81
Yeah, so...
00:49:12
kevindoc81
sure yeah i asked it
00:49:19
Keck
Like, would you be interested in combining them into like a larger work, something like that.
00:49:25
kevindoc81
Something like that. Yeah, I didn't go too deep into the storyline.
00:49:27
Keck
i did not know I did not hear anything about that.
00:49:28
kevindoc81
a
00:49:30
Keck
I didn't see that. That's interesting.
00:49:31
kevindoc81
Yeah, when I was watching the watching the recap video, he was thought the the guy that was talking about it. And I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. I think it was a heavy spoilers. YouTube, they they kind of like do like a recap. It was a recap, but it was like kind of a ending explained type of video, but he talks about the books and stuff like that and what covers what.
00:49:48
Keck
Yeah.
00:49:52
kevindoc81
So oh that was pretty, that kind of helped me catch up to speed after not watching it for for like five months. So yeah.
00:49:57
Keck
yeah I thought the end at the end, once the aliens reveal that they basically can read, like they can basically see everything we do. like If we communicate anything with anyone else, they're going to be able to see it. so like Their whole thing is to like fuck with our science so that any breakthroughs that we make, because their whole logic came down
Aliens' Strategies Against Human Scientific Advancement
00:50:22
Keck
to this. they said In 400 years of us pursuing you, your science will eventually outclass ours, so that when we finally reach your world, you're gonna be far enough advanced where you're going to fucking completely destroy our invading force. They call it a funeral procession, in fact.
00:50:47
Keck
and they said after you do that you're going to send your invading force out to whatever is left of our planet or you know where we're from and you're gonna wipe out every trace of us you know and probably cop our ship So their whole thing was basically to fuck with our shit so that like we're either, our science is bound by like problematic malware or that they're able to oversee
00:51:19
Keck
every breakthrough that we would have made and that would allow them to imput implement all of our successes so that when they got here they would still be like you know many many hundreds of well you know four hundred plus years ahead of us and be able to wipe us out with you know pretty good efficiency from what they were making it out today.
00:51:45
kevindoc81
Yeah, that's why they that's why the government puts together like that secret organization. It was a group of people that all work separately from each other and like they aren't supposed to.
00:51:56
Keck
There's a name for it. What was it? What were they? I did not like this.
00:51:59
kevindoc81
I forget what the name was.
00:52:00
Keck
I thought it sounded corny.
00:52:04
Keck
It sounded German. It was like the gnome watchers. I don't know.
00:52:08
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:52:09
Keck
It was something I can't remember. Like I can't remember what I'll see if I could like look it up. But explain. It was basically like there were three people, right?
00:52:20
kevindoc81
Yeah, the one one guy, I don't remember the character's name, but he was just like, dude, I don't want to like, I don't want any part of this. I don't want to be your fucking like, keeper.
00:52:32
kevindoc81
And they're like, but giving them bad respect. They're like, all right, all right, keeper. Like, like, he was like, he was like, I don't want any bodyguards or whatever. Then he gets like, he almost gets killed because they find out he was one of them.
00:52:44
kevindoc81
And he was like, that's what, fuck, I guess I have to be.
00:52:45
Keck
wall-facer is what they were called i thought it was just cheesy and basically it's like three people and like they were going each person was going to be given like on the limit resources they were supposed to be the best and the brightest but they can't communicate anything they have to like figure all this shit up because like if they were to get out of their head at any point like the aliens would foresee what they were working
00:52:48
kevindoc81
Well, for yeah, I didn't like the, the name either.
00:52:59
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:53:15
Keck
I gotta tell ya, the wall-facer program just didn't seem to have a lot of potential to me.
00:53:20
kevindoc81
but Yeah, yeah, I don't know how that's gonna work.
00:53:21
Keck
but but yeah I it got renewed for two more seasons.
00:53:22
kevindoc81
Apparently there's there's going to be them in the next season plus like other people who are trying to figure out what these people are doing and shit too. So apparently I don't know.
00:53:32
kevindoc81
I like I mean, it got renewed for two more seasons. We're going to get a three full three seasons.
00:53:40
kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah, so they're going to do all three books so.
00:53:43
Keck
oh well that's cool i mean i knew it got renewed for a second season i didn't realize it got that i mean with netflix like you know after what they did with uh...
00:53:55
Keck
uh... was it eighteen ninety nine what was it the uh...
00:53:56
kevindoc81
I don't know, should I take this out?
00:54:00
Keck
i just never you know i never was it eighteen ninety nine eighteen eighty
00:54:04
kevindoc81
Or in 1889? But yeah, on 1899, I think, yeah.
00:54:08
Keck
eighteen nine yeah with with netflix nowadays i just never know like i feel like they could just slit the throat of any project at any time but yeah i mean it would it would certainly make sense that like three body problem would get like three seasons so yeah
00:54:09
kevindoc81
Yeah, let's go up to the dark. Yeah.
00:54:26
kevindoc81
Yeah, especially since they had three bucks, you might as well just like, all right, the first season did well enough. Let's just finish it off. We know we're not going to do more than three seasons. So yeah, we can.
00:54:35
Keck
Yeah, hey, that that that that works for me.
00:54:36
kevindoc81
yeah
00:54:38
Keck
I mean, I really wish that's where they, well, I was about to go on a whole like Mine Hunter wormhole, which I'm gonna not do. But I was just trying to think of like, in the future, I was wondering, because I had seen somebody post on Reddit about characters that had been deceased,
00:54:59
Keck
would return in like VR form so like characters like Sam perhaps you know and like characters who had died like you know whose brain that they had taken that stuff like that like the aliens like for all we know they might be able to beam that guy's brain in even though because it's like such a small
00:55:07
kevindoc81
oh yeah and
00:55:22
Keck
well I mean they showed it was like a fucking they they were trying to make it like she wanted to put like something he liked in it like seeds or something and he was like no that will raise the weight by like three grams and that will make it go that like three great like so it like for all we know those characters might come back and like a virtual reality type thing and it could be a situation where like that was one of the things they were really worried about is getting like their minds and then bringing like sympathy back at them to be used against us to play us off of our emotions and stuff because that was a big thing that these aliens they did not understand us fully
00:55:32
kevindoc81
Oh, yeah.
00:55:36
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:56:09
Keck
on somehow they did not understand the concept of line because that was a big thing that's how all of season five happened
Season Wrap-Up and Future Questions
00:56:18
Keck
the wards
00:56:19
kevindoc81
Episode, you keep saying season five.
00:56:22
Keck
oh i'm sorry uh...
00:56:22
kevindoc81
Episode five.
00:56:23
Keck
episode five the wards the wards learn what lying is they didn't know apparently what it was before and the guy did not lie to them but they learn the concept between the line being able i guess they're like on capable of being uh...
00:56:24
kevindoc81
We got one season. So.
00:56:44
Keck
fictitious amongst their own race because I'm not sure how that exactly works, but like when they find out that we're able to practice the art of deception, they suddenly become like drastically fearful of the people that were their ambassadors to the earth all this time. And they just cut them off without anything. They're like, we understand.
00:57:13
Keck
we fear you the end no more communication they let them all get fucking slaughtered in that ship like yeah so i mean yeah but again with this show if for some reason you're listening to this conversation and you have not seen it there's a lot to unpack
00:57:16
kevindoc81
Yeah. Yep.
00:57:34
kevindoc81
Yeah, I mean, don't if you haven't seen it, don't listen to the show. Go watch it. I mean, it's not nearly as complicated as like the the dark was, but.
00:57:37
Keck
yeah
00:57:42
Keck
they do a good job explaining sets yet
00:57:45
kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you'll be able to follow along everything. There's not like time travel and, and different dimensions as much either. I mean, it does.
00:57:54
Keck
not yet not that we know of not yet but i mean like
00:57:55
kevindoc81
are Yeah, our flashback and stuff, but yeah, everything gets like wrapped up to somewhat, understandable degree by, the by the end of the first season.
00:58:05
kevindoc81
and So, but I mean, there's still a question.
00:58:06
Keck
The only other thing that pissed me off, kind of, was that one scientist, the incredibly sexy Mexican scientist, I guess Mexican-American scientist, she's like basically like like, she's got the body of a supermodel and she's like supposed to be like a super nerd.
00:58:23
Keck
I just didn't buy that, but i really but i really I really liked her character.
00:58:25
kevindoc81
Oh yeah, yeah.
00:58:28
Keck
I mean i thought her acting was great. you know it's just like it was just She was like a little out of place. but yeah i mean i I liked her.
00:58:38
Keck
i mean like She was the one that was like really, really... like Watching all those people get slaughtered by her experiment when that ship breaks apart in the fifth episode like you she just basically lost her shit she starts drinking hardcore like you see her like waking up in the middle of the night puking because she's just getting shit faced every night and she ends up like basically bouncing from everyone she's like i don't want anything to do with any of it she i think at the very end
00:59:12
Keck
of the show and like the last scenes she's like down in Mexico like figuring out some kind of weather purification thing so she's obviously going to be back for season two though they're definitely pulling her back into the team
00:59:23
kevindoc81
Oh yeah, yeah. yeah
00:59:27
Keck
We already went the wall facer thing. I saw a familiar guy from Silicon Valley That was they call them big head and that I don't know if you've ever seen the show but uh When I saw him that made me also think like oh man the wall face like this is a really ridiculous idea like I I just I didn't really like feel that but I know, I mean, yeah, it's cool to see that like there seems to be like mass corruption because the aliens obviously are able to communicate with any individual they really want to. They don't have to be on an oil tanker with all this tech. I guess even being 400 years away, they're able to kind of like home in on anyone on the planet.
01:00:13
Keck
and start like putting ideas in your head, or at least send someone to meet you, or have you assassinated, or you know whatever the fuck.
01:00:21
kevindoc81
Yeah. It seems like and there's almost no time difference between when they want to do something to do it.
01:00:28
Keck
Yeah.
01:00:30
kevindoc81
Like, that even though it was 400 years away, it seems like communication is almost instantaneous too.
01:00:30
Keck
Yeah.
01:00:36
kevindoc81
so Yeah.
01:00:36
Keck
Exactly. It's a cell phone, right? It's like me and you here on Zencaster. It's basically like we say something and you hear it, whether like you know you're three hours away like you are or 400 years away.
01:00:49
Keck
I don't know what that is in light years.
01:00:50
kevindoc81
Yeah.
01:00:53
Keck
186,000 miles per second is the speed of light. I'm not even going to pretend like I can do that in my head. So, but yeah, they're able to instantaneously not only like communicate, but like, I mean, they're able to, well, I guess it is communication, but they're able to like, uh, do the whole psychological thing with the countdown.
01:01:17
Keck
And it seems like when the number gets to zero, do they ever show someone's number getting to zero?
01:01:18
kevindoc81
It's just like what the network has to, you know, eight different nodes. So we're going to start heading to zero. I think, no, I think they, when they get to zero, the person just dies, but I don't know if it's they're doing or if they've committed suicide before that number is counted down or, or what, I don't remember anybody's getting zero.
01:01:41
kevindoc81
I just remember the one girl's getting close, but then she shuts it down again. That's all I remember. I don't remember seeing somebody's going to zero. So I don't know.
01:01:52
Keck
Yeah, yeah.
01:01:53
kevindoc81
Yeah.
01:02:02
Keck
But yeah, I'm looking forward to season two with pretty great intensity. So do you have like any final thoughts?
01:02:11
Keck
Is there any like major things you think we missed?
01:02:11
kevindoc81
all
01:02:14
kevindoc81
thats Not that I think I've all thought my head. I think you would be more of the expert on that from
Clarifying Viewing Timelines and Future Topics
01:02:20
kevindoc81
watching.
01:02:20
Keck
Yeah. I mean, dude, it's not like I saw it like you, I actually saw it later than you did because I had told you, I was like, yo, I saw a three body problem and you were like, oh, I haven't seen it yet.
01:02:23
kevindoc81
that
01:02:32
Keck
So like, you know, I hadn't really watched it.
01:02:34
kevindoc81
Oh, I thought you had... I thought you had watched it the first time before me because you were talking about a certain part.
01:02:41
kevindoc81
And then I was like...
01:02:41
Keck
No, you, I saw it before you.
01:02:43
Keck
Yeah.
01:02:44
kevindoc81
or Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You saw it before me, yeah.
01:02:46
Keck
Yeah. yeah
01:02:47
kevindoc81
and But then the second time, you had watched it twice.
01:02:51
Keck
Yeah, I had watched it twice, but the second time I had watched it, I think you still had not seen it.
01:02:57
kevindoc81
don see Oh, really? Oh, but you had watched it twice.
01:03:00
Keck
I think so. i could be I could be wrong about that.
01:03:02
kevindoc81
get
01:03:02
Keck
I don't know exactly when you watched it.
01:03:05
kevindoc81
Yeah, I watched it twice as well.
01:03:06
Keck
Because I had watched it, and then two weeks later I saw it again.
01:03:11
kevindoc81
Oh, okay.
01:03:11
Keck
Because a group of friends had not seen it, and I watched it early.
01:03:12
kevindoc81
Well, watching it twice is still easier to, you know, remember what you want.
01:03:21
Keck
Oh yeah, no yeah no doubt no doubt.
01:03:24
kevindoc81
yeah
01:03:24
Keck
There's a lot of stuff going on, but I've rewatched that scene in episode 5 several times, and then I watched it on YouTube with like commentary.
01:03:26
kevindoc81
oh why
01:03:34
kevindoc81
watch
01:03:37
Keck
So, I mean, again, I was a real big fan of that scene.
01:03:38
kevindoc81
okay i mean again
01:03:43
kevindoc81
yeah
01:03:43
Keck
you know
01:03:44
kevindoc81
Uh, yeah, that's all I got.
01:03:45
Keck
anyway
01:03:46
kevindoc81
Uh, so yeah, uh, thanks for joining us. Uh, we'll be back shortly. Hopefully maybe they'll fall out next. Uh, we'll see.
01:03:55
Keck
Oh yeah, we're going to be talking some fallout. We're definitely going to be talking some fallout. it's it's it's It's been a little bit of a ways, but like I'm still seeing like more information coming out about like the first season and like different things being revealed that are going to be in the second season.
01:04:00
kevindoc81
so
01:04:14
Keck
So you know I'm happy to discuss that in the not too distant future.
01:04:20
kevindoc81
Yes,
01:04:20
Keck
But yeah, thank you for joining us and i hope everybody's well and good night.
01:04:23
kevindoc81
uh, so... Goodnight, peace.