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The Substance
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The Uncertain Future of 'Crystal Lake'
00:00:19
Kevin Dougherty
Cha for real. Welcome back to Fright Central. I'm Doc, back here again as always with Keck. And today we're going to talk about the substance, but first we've got the news.
00:00:30
Keck
uh number one on the itinerary for this evening is the news about crystal lake and that news is uh there is no news but we're gonna you know talk about it every time whether there's news or not but uh as things stand i don't believe it's ever going to happen i just want to go on the record uh no news hurt
00:00:52
Kevin Dougherty
It's coming out next year, next fall, it's coming out.
00:00:53
Keck
like Yeah, yeah. like like I haven't even seen like a projected start date. like Usually I'll say something like 2025, but um yeah, for Crystal Lake, it's just like 2000-something.
00:01:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, all the projected release date is 2025, but yeah, they don't have a projected start date yet, but I think we're filming
00:01:13
Keck
but right
00:01:18
Keck
and Projected start date.
00:01:20
Kevin Dougherty
Early next year, it could come out by October.
00:01:23
Keck
I would be surprised if it does come out. I would be surprised if it came out before 2026. And I'm being dead serious about that. I would be massively surprised if it comes out in 2025, if it comes out.
Upcoming Releases: 'Yellow Jackets' and 'Silo'
00:01:38
Keck
Anyway, next item.
00:01:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean... I do have an update with the Yellow Jackets Season 3. That is going to be released on and February 14th.
00:01:50
Kevin Dougherty
on Valentine's Day.
00:01:52
Keck
Oh, great.
00:01:53
Kevin Dougherty
I love it.
00:01:53
Keck
And just a quick mention before I forget, um we haven't talked about it yet, but I think we're going to. Silo season two recently came out.
00:02:04
Keck
I think they're in like the third or fourth episode.
00:02:05
Kevin Dougherty
The third or fourth episode, I believe. Yeah.
00:02:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:02:08
Keck
And um yeah, that's definitely something we're going to discuss in the future, maybe after ah the conclusion of the second season.
00:02:15
Keck
so
00:02:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I'm not gonna talk about it mid-season. That's kind
Apple vs HBO: The Sci-Fi and Horror Showdown
00:02:18
Keck
Yeah, no, no, I just wanted to mention like it came out and I'm pretty sure that they um are green lit for a third season as well.
00:02:18
Kevin Dougherty
of pointless.
00:02:18
Kevin Dougherty
yeah we Yeah,
00:02:26
Kevin Dougherty
yeah I believe there were three books that it's based on.
00:02:28
Keck
Yeah.
00:02:29
Kevin Dougherty
So as long as wrap up ah the whole story.
00:02:30
Keck
Yeah, so three seasons would make sense.
00:02:34
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, I haven't read the books, but I'm definitely interested because I think that shows pretty good. And I'm really into the second season too.
00:02:38
Keck
Yeah.
00:02:41
Keck
It's better than, um ike's I had low expectations and it exceeded them, but I kind of also went in like we raw dog in it. So, which is the way you always should go into something like that.
00:02:54
Keck
And yeah, but...
00:02:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I mean, app Apple hasn't really disappointed me yet, so...
00:02:58
Keck
No, is that what that's on?
00:02:59
Kevin Dougherty
No. Yeah.
00:02:59
Keck
Is that an Apple TV? Yeah, I mean, Apple for sci-fi and horror, as we said, I mean, they've really, I mean, if you're into that genre, especially with, ah you know, severance now, ah come I mean, it has its release date, everything scheduled for january like mid-January, I think.
00:03:01
Kevin Dougherty
I'm Apple channel.
00:03:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:03:18
Keck
I mean, sci-fi and horror, Apple, like, ah yeah. they went And not only like, yeah, ah yeah exactly.
00:03:22
Kevin Dougherty
yeah at least tv At least TV wise, I don't i can't say the same through their original movies, but their television shows would be great.
00:03:29
Keck
Yeah, exactly. But one other thing I would just quickly add is not only is Apple killing it in the production of sci-fi and horror television, but they are also killing it in the quality of the creation of those products. Solid actors.
00:03:48
Keck
good writing, just overall quality presentations, and a massive amount of quantity of this quality presentation. So, yeah, Apple TV is on next level, if you're into that.
00:04:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it doesn't feel like it feels like what HBO kind of used to be where it's not over.
00:04:06
Keck
Yes.
00:04:07
Kevin Dougherty
It's not too much. And it's ah but it's it's just the right amount. And that they're all like, it's like, oh, this is a good show. This is a good show. Even like the some of their comedy shows, like I just watched the Vince Vaughn Bad Monkey one.
00:04:19
Kevin Dougherty
And that was really funny and entertaining. So where he's like, yeah.
00:04:21
Keck
Yeah.
00:04:23
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:04:23
Keck
I haven't really watched anything with Vince Vaughn in it since True Detective season two. It kind of soured me to his existence. But hey, it's.
00:04:33
Kevin Dougherty
I think I think you'll be back on you watch bad monkey. You'll be right back on the Vince voluntary Yeah Next item was ah The I don't know if you saw the new Dexter origins trailer
00:04:37
Keck
It's not Vince Vaughn's fault. Whoever was the casting, whoever was like the casting director for that just really fucked up. men So anyway, next item.
Dexter's Survival Theories
00:04:58
Keck
I did not.
00:04:59
Kevin Dougherty
But in the ah beginning of that, it'll it kind of shows how they're going to do the sequel, because in the beginning of the Dexter origin shows it in the trailer, it shows him laying, you know, in the snow like he when he got shot at the end of last season.
00:05:14
Keck
He's still alive.
00:05:14
Kevin Dougherty
And and he's talking about. going to the origin of of himself. And it shows, like ah it cuts from like him in the snow to like an ambulance driving.
00:05:25
Kevin Dougherty
So it's like his life flashing before his eyes, and he's like recounting it to you.
00:05:26
Keck
He lived!
00:05:32
Kevin Dougherty
And that's what we're watching. So that he's doing the inner voice of the young Dexter. I saw some little clip of the some of the cast from ah the young Dexter. that the show and it looked like they got like the people that are playing like young was suka and and the ah the other cops like ah so I thought they were looked I was like wow they kind of looked like the other version of me so yeah
00:05:52
Keck
Oh shit. So basically that theory right now is they left. And let's just keep in mind, his son shot him at very close range. Dexter even pointed out where he should shoot him using a .308 bolt-action rifle. A .308 round is about the same size round that an AK-47 7.62 fires, which is a kill shot usually when you shoot someone in the heart.
00:06:28
Keck
So I'm guessing like the bullet must have grazed.
00:06:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Unless he missed.
00:06:32
Keck
It looked like he, I mean, it looked like he, I mean, if the shot didn't hit his heart, it looked like he bled out.
00:06:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I don't know.
00:06:40
Keck
Like she hadn't, she had like just radioed in. So like it would have been a while before the ambulance got there.
00:06:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:06:48
Keck
And at the end you show her walking over. She didn't try to perform any resuscitation on it.
00:06:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:06:56
Keck
So unless, as soon as, what was his son's name? Hanson, or ah what was it?
00:07:00
Kevin Dougherty
ah it could It was something like that.
00:07:03
Keck
Hanson's, for some reason Hanson's in ah well Whatever.
00:07:06
Kevin Dougherty
it's It was like H something, yeah.
00:07:08
Keck
Yeah, whatever.
00:07:09
Kevin Dougherty
i forget Because it was like his father's name.
00:07:11
Keck
Hansel. um but
00:07:13
Kevin Dougherty
He's still hot right now.
00:07:15
Keck
So yeah as as unless like as soon as like him driving away like fades out she goes like ballistic and runs to her car and gets like a defibrillator and like fucking you know start shocking him and stuff like that and like you know like breathe baby like you know she's got like an oxygen mask on him and all kinds of shit like
00:07:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:07:39
Kevin Dougherty
Or he's going to wake up or or he's going to like wake up in the back of the ambulance, murder everyone back there, and like take off his shirt, and he's going to be wearing like a bulletproof vest or something.
00:07:40
Keck
it
00:07:48
Keck
or Or maybe it's something like from Yellowstone where like he just happened to have like his cell phone in his pocket and like the bullet like you know grazed his cell phone and that took like the impact so it didn't make it to his heart.
00:07:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:08:02
Keck
But either way, there was a lot of blood.
00:08:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:08:05
Keck
I rewatched that a few months ago with a friend of mine who hadn't seen it and she said the same thing when I told her that there was gonna be like a sequel where I believed he lived.
00:08:17
Keck
she was like there's no fucking way but you know well especially when the creators i mean they got the idea from listening to our cast like you know that
00:08:19
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I think they originally right wrote it so he was gonna die and then like there was the Kind of the backlash from that and then I guess they got the the origins one up and running They were like, hey, you know what? Maybe we can do another season with him bring him back and do another one. So a little Of course, yeah
00:08:43
Keck
And um you know, I have to think that after it ended, when they saw the reception that received from both fans, because you know, ah Dexter has been rated objectively on many different forums like Reddit, like social networking, as being one of the worst endings to any show in history.
00:09:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:09:10
Keck
And so, you know, the reception from fans and critics I mean, it's just why the fuck would you end it there? Like I was like really surprised that like we didn't at least get two seasons of Dex or new blood it was called.
00:09:25
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah.
00:09:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And the new one's going to be called the resurrections.
00:09:30
Keck
Yeah, first blood rim.
00:09:31
Kevin Dougherty
I think that comes out. That one comes out next year, and Dexter Origins comes out December 13th.
00:09:33
Keck
yeah
00:09:38
Keck
yeah What I would have liked to see in New Blood, and I won't spend much more time on this ah because we already covered it, but um what I thought would have been awesome, and I was talking to this about my friend because she also um kind of had the same idea, is that season one of New Blood should have been like Dexter like you know showing him, finding his way, and like you know what he had been going through in his new life.
00:09:39
Kevin Dougherty
so
00:10:03
Keck
And what I thought would have been cool is in the last episode, if his son then came in and like in the final minutes like you see him say like hey dad or something like that and at the same time like simultaneously in those last few minutes you find out that his police detective girlfriend was starting to get on to what he was and I thought that would have been a dope segue into a second season because i did I would have preferred if his son wasn't in the first season or you know I don't know I have mixed feelings about how that all like went down anyway I thought that was like
00:10:47
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah. But it wasn't there was' a much better ending than the previous ending they had. And but hopefully they come back.
00:10:52
Keck
Oh, we just established that, but like that whole thing with Batista, she runs into Batista.
00:10:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, hopefully they come back and do even better.
00:11:02
Keck
Harrison, Harrison was his name.
00:11:03
Kevin Dougherty
Harrison, thank you.
00:11:04
Keck
Yeah, she runs into Batista.
00:11:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. You're close.
00:11:07
Keck
he She runs into Batista randomly at that conference. That was like a thousand miles. I think it was like Illinois or something.
00:11:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:11:16
Keck
And like at the very end, he like turns back and he's like, oh yeah, his son Harrison. And it's like. yeah fuck outta here.
00:11:28
Keck
I don't know, that was, yeah, I don't know. Anyway, moving on, sorry.
00:11:32
Kevin Dougherty
so
Chucky's Transition: From TV to Film?
00:11:34
Kevin Dougherty
ah I don't know if I had mentioned this on the last cast, but that Chucky TV series got canceled, but they said it was going to return for a new movie.
00:11:43
Keck
I'm good with that.
00:11:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I know you are, but I enjoyed the series, and I always want more Chucky.
00:11:49
Keck
unfair It's unfair, um really, because I haven't watched it, so what the fuck do I know? It could have been brilliant.
00:11:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, I wouldn't call it brilliant, but it's... and it's It's fun, and it's...
00:12:01
Keck
But I'm speaking from a position of ignorance, that's my point, so I shouldn't say that.
00:12:01
Kevin Dougherty
He murders... Yeah. He murders people pretty brutally. I'm umm there for the kills, and I'm there for Chucky. I don't care about anybody else in that show.
00:12:09
Keck
yeah
00:12:11
Kevin Dougherty
But, uh... I do have some Predator news that I was thinking about saving it for when we talk about ah Alien Romulus, but I'll i'll mention it now. ah
Reinventing 'Predator': A New Perspective?
00:12:21
Kevin Dougherty
There's, Predator Badlands is supposed to be released next year. And apparently it's gonna be more from the perspective of the Predator, like the Predator is the lead character in the movie. So I thought that was an interesting way to go.
00:12:36
Keck
Could you elaborate a little bit more on that when you say the Predator is the lead?
00:12:39
Kevin Dougherty
Let's see.
00:12:41
Keck
um Do you mean like it's going to be more from like the Predator's perspective, like the trials and tribulations of everyday life as a yacha?
00:12:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, pretty much yeah, that's that's what that's the rumor that I that i've read and there was Mean inner species not interracial I think you cancels
00:12:53
Keck
Interesting.
00:12:57
Keck
As long as there's no like interracial love story, like they started to try to get to at the end of Alien vs Predator. And they're yeah in their speech.
00:13:09
Keck
Yeah in a Yeah. Definitely a different race. I mean they are both like human noise in terms of like you know their physical features but yeah green.
00:13:27
Keck
I think that the predators are like um I don't know if they ever explain but I think in the comics they mentioned that the predators are actually like cold-blooded mammals and you know they crave heat sort of like lizards and snakes and stuff like that like they like the warmth you see a um You see a shot
00:13:47
Kevin Dougherty
That's why they usually hunt when it's like the hottest now.
00:13:50
Keck
Yeah, exactly. And you see um in, I think it's Alien vs Predator Part 2, Requiem.
00:13:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:13:57
Keck
I believe they give you a shot in the beginning of the film of Yacha Prime, which is apparently their homeworld, where like he takes off in the ship and you see pyramid sort of like pyramid-like structures, like a big city, and you see like volcanic lava, like magma just like flowing through the streets.
00:14:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:14:17
Keck
like Basically our reservoirs like of you know, h2o for them. They want like straight magma Like so yeah
00:14:25
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. And then there's ah supposedly also another predator project coming out next year. They're calling it like a secret project. The rumor is right now that it's ah like an animated anthology, which I thought was interesting where it's going to be like different stories. So they can do like the one that everyone wants them to do is like the samurai one, which I don't think they will do that in live action because that's going to cost a lot of money to do that. and I don't know if the prior movies make enough to...
00:14:56
Kevin Dougherty
to Yeah.
00:14:58
Keck
Well, I mean, if you have something, if you really have a dope blockbuster, I mean, because um I talk to a lot of Predator fans and the last Predator film, they say, oh, excuse me, that they say they saw was The Predator.
00:15:13
Keck
And a lot of them aren't even aware that Prey exists.
00:15:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:15:18
Keck
And like I've had to bring it up because I think it went to Hulu and we've already discussed this in detail.
00:15:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:15:25
Kevin Dougherty
Straight to the line, yeah.
00:15:25
Keck
It wasn't well promoted.
00:15:28
Keck
Even after it was well received, it still didn't really get much promotion. um So a lot of people
00:15:34
Kevin Dougherty
It did well on streaming, and that's why the next one is going to be released in theaters.
00:15:38
Kevin Dougherty
So I forget.
00:15:38
Keck
in theaters so hopefully if it's a decent one i mean we all know i've talked about before what i think would be really dope although it would probably be expensive and a little bit hard to write would be the bad blood predator uh that takes over the new jersey pine barons because that story is like really epic and like other predators get involved the CIA gets involved so like you know it's like the CIA going after a single predator like the predators from yacha prime start sending enforcer predators
00:16:16
Keck
like the ones that have like all kinds of crazy gear and shit so you would have like a lot of moving parts and plus you would have to write and establish to the audience that the predator is also mentally unhinged so that would be from the perspective of the predator and you would have to establish how predators suffer from like depression anxiety and mental illness so
00:16:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:16:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I could see them doing some sort of thing like that in like an animated form.
00:16:46
Keck
Yeah, yeah, that would be cool.
00:16:46
Kevin Dougherty
i think
00:16:48
Keck
I mean, if you haven't checked it out, um I'm referring to Predator Omnibus. um I think it's like six shorts of comics. And yeah, Bad Blood Predator, I'm not in the comics, but like I checked that one out and read it a couple times.
00:17:04
Keck
I thought it was pretty dope.
00:17:06
Kevin Dougherty
yeah that's will ah Yeah, that's all I got for for news. I'm looking forward to both predator prospects.
00:17:15
Kevin Dougherty
I think the i think the animated ah predator could be like a good jumping off point to see like what kind of works. And then they could always like expand on that into live action if they wanted to.
00:17:15
Keck
I'm into anything, brother.
00:17:21
Keck
Yeah.
00:17:24
Keck
I agree with you 100%.
00:17:25
Kevin Dougherty
what people like like yeah And I think that's a good way to good way to do it.
00:17:29
Keck
I hope the one ah final thing I'll say on this is I hope that whatever they do, I would like it if they put distance between the Predator and the Xenomorph aliens. ah There's been too much of that in like the past. Well, I mean, I guess not in Prey or the Predator, but we had two Alien vs. Prey other movies.
00:17:53
Keck
and a lot of time when like I mentioned like the predator they people talk about the alien and I'd like to see some distance in between those like two stories because I honestly was never really a fan of the whole alien versus predator concept and that the predators were ever even you know uh present in the alien universe and we'll talk a little bit more about that probably when we discuss Romulus but
00:18:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:18:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, what what I understand is ah that they do plan on doing Alienverse Predator again, but that's gonna they said that's going to be a more natural um you know combination, where it'll have some characters that we've already met.
00:18:35
Kevin Dougherty
But it's thats sometime in the future, it's much further down the line than right now.
00:18:35
Keck
sometime in the future like yeah
00:18:41
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, I'll just talk about it right now, but they do plan on doing an an and Alien Romulus sequel. so I guess that'll still be, I don't know when that's going to take place or anything. There's no real news besides the fact that they are doing a second one with possibly the same characters that survived in in that movie. So ah um we'll see. Well, I mean, it all depends on when things take place, because most of the predator movies have been taking place, you know, before the aliens are, you know, and are even introduced, like timeline wise.
00:19:15
Kevin Dougherty
so
00:19:16
Keck
Yeah.
00:19:16
Kevin Dougherty
I'm good with a lot of like in the past prior to movies and not touching the Alien franchise to much later on and let them do their own separate thing for a while.
00:19:25
Keck
Yeah, I just wish, I mean, because in the first Alienverse Predator movie, they go back to like how the Yacha were like involved in the creation of the pyramids. and like in order And if you want to like make anything like in like proper sequential order from that um origin story,
00:19:45
Keck
that really complicates things because then we're going back like thousands of years in human history and you have to figure out how all that fits in when it would be better if like the yacha like found out about like the xenomorphs from you know their uh following uh humanities progress because you know it's something that they do like reoccurringly is that you know they
00:20:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:11
Keck
kind of keep track on like what we're doing and shit like that and you know but Yeah, I mean I would hope that they wouldn't be but like, you know, hey, that's just me I know people that are really pumped about and Yeah, yeah, yeah
00:20:16
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, as of right now, all I know is like those alien first predator movies aren't necessarily canning to what's going on, but I don't think they are necessarily not canon either, you know what I mean? so
00:20:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, we'll see what they do with the Alien Earth TV series coming out next year. But yeah, that's all I got for news. ah
Introducing 'The Substance'
00:20:42
Kevin Dougherty
Let's talk about the substance.
00:20:43
Keck
Yeah, um well, as I usually like to do before this is um I ask you initial thoughts.
00:20:52
Kevin Dougherty
uh well first of all i love this movie but uh i just wanted to mention that we are going to spoil this first off uh so it's been but yeah but it was uh it did have a run in theaters and but the only place you could watch it uh streaming is on uh that streaming service movie it's like m-u-b-i yeah
00:21:02
Keck
It's been out for a bit now, so.
00:21:13
Keck
ah yeah then oh Yeah, that would put ah a bit of a monkey wrench for some people because
00:21:20
Kevin Dougherty
So some people might not have seen it. You can get a free seven day trial and watch it. ah So I might definitely recommend doing that first before listening to the rest of this cast.
00:21:29
Keck
But it's a pain in the ass to do that because you have to yeah put in the credit card number first. You have to give them a payment option and then you know you have to then actively cancel after seven days and a lot of people aren't comfortable doing that.
00:21:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean you can go you can do like, you know when you go into it You can just do like the apple pay or whatever you have signed up and then you so you don't have to put in extra things And then you just can't you can cancel it right after you watch it.
00:21:45
Keck
so
00:21:57
Keck
yeah you do that's what i can do with paypal i can give him my paypal account and then right after doing it i go to paypal go to reoccurring payments and cut them off so that they can't yeah well i'm just saying like you can cut it off so that if they try to you know like you can just like not worry about it anymore because you
00:21:57
Kevin Dougherty
You don't have to wait seven days. Yeah Yeah, yeah, exactly Yeah,
00:22:08
Kevin Dougherty
well, you don't want to just cut off them on uh paypal you want to actually cancel all movies as well. slide you can't
00:22:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:22:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I happened to get a 30 day trial through Fangoria at the time and I sent it to our friend minor.
00:22:29
Keck
oh that's cool aside from so that yeah that worked well is that like a loyalty reward or something because you referred someone or did they just like out of out of the blue say as another promotion like would you like another 30-day trial like at the end of your 30-day trial they just offered you another
00:22:30
Kevin Dougherty
I sent it to our friend minor and I was like, dude, I'm sending you this, like, watch this fucking movie. And then when I went to cancel it, it was like, would you like another 30 day trial? And I was like, all right.
00:22:42
Kevin Dougherty
so Yeah.
00:22:56
Kevin Dougherty
i I think it was because, uh, yeah, I think it was just because I was like canceling it. They were like, Oh, how about, you know, cause sometimes they'll be like, Oh, Oh, are you sure you want to cancel this? We'll give you another 30 days to like, check it out a little bit more.
00:23:12
Kevin Dougherty
So I was like, all right. But I still haven't watched anything on there, so.
00:23:16
Keck
ah Well, that's that was the only thing I wanted to ask you before getting into the substance.
00:23:16
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:23:22
Keck
Well, the substance of the substance is ah is there any other worthwhile content on there? Because apparently they've actually been around for a while.
00:23:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:23:33
Keck
They just started doing like.
00:23:34
Kevin Dougherty
I can't start the streaming service, though.
00:23:36
Keck
And they were, I think they're a subsidiary of a larger company, but I could be wrong about that.
00:23:37
Kevin Dougherty
no
00:23:45
Keck
Like they're owned by someone else.
00:23:46
Kevin Dougherty
They are, but it's like an and it's like some independent, it's not like a major studio.
00:23:50
Keck
Oh, is it totally independent?
00:23:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:23:51
Keck
ah Like it's not like a Time Warner or anything like that.
00:23:55
Kevin Dougherty
No, no, no, no.
00:23:55
Keck
Like it's...
00:23:57
Kevin Dougherty
It's a completely separate independent one.
00:23:57
Keck
Gotcha.
00:23:59
Kevin Dougherty
um So the substance...
00:24:00
Keck
So you fucking love this movie.
00:24:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so the substance...
00:24:03
Keck
Sure why.
00:24:05
Kevin Dougherty
The substance was directed by Corlai Fargate, some French some french ah director. she Her first movie was called Revenge. ah That's also a movie, but that's that movie is available elsewhere as well, and it's definitely worth checking out.
00:24:20
Keck
yeah I'm aware of I'm um' aware of that for like I've actually didn't know it was the same director it is how you pronounce
00:24:20
Kevin Dougherty
For her for her first movie, I thought it was really well done. um
00:24:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. um So yeah, what I went in pretty cold with this. I mean, I saw a little teaser and it was just like, you know, it stars Demi Moore, Margaret Qualey, if that's how you pronounce her name.
00:24:42
Kevin Dougherty
And, uh, and Dennis Quaid. Um, and, uh, it's, the trailer I saw was just like Demi Moore walking down the street and it was like, do you imagine a younger, better version of yourself? And then it like switches to Margaret Quillie. I was like, okay, so Margaret's playing a younger Demi Moore. I didn't know how fucking, like, like how it was, she's not just playing a younger character, like,
00:25:07
Kevin Dougherty
a version of her so like I didn't like so I went in pretty cold to see this and then I took a friend of mine she thought we were going to see something completely different so she went in even colder and she also loved it too I would definitely characterize this as a like ah horror satire would be the best way to to describe it
00:25:28
Keck
I would uh horror grotesque suspense thriller drama body dysmorphia well and you know what
00:25:36
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, it's body horror for sure, yeah.
00:25:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:25:48
Keck
If it was just going to be in like three words, it would probably be horror, psychological thriller, which is like a separate category, and then like drama.
00:26:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. um The ones that how I would describe it to people would be like, that like the sin, especially cinematography wise and somewhat story wise would be like Requiem for a Dream, Black Swan, The Fly, ah Death Becomes Her.
00:26:16
Kevin Dougherty
Like those were like the ones that kind of stood out to me watching it. And there's obvious references to the shining in this as well with like the the shots of the hallway and the carpet and the bathroom and everything.
00:26:25
Keck
What is that called um with the use of color? ah meen so What did they call that in film school?
00:26:35
Kevin Dougherty
It's been like 20 years. I don't remember. but that one
00:26:38
Keck
There's a word for when ah I took a college, I took a class on Kubrick and um it was a lot more ah than I had bargained for.
00:26:48
Keck
It was what's one of my favorite classes, which was totally opposite my major political science, although Kubrick did do a lot of like politics.
00:26:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:26:57
Keck
and But um it was an awesome and we learned all these terms and there's something about the use of color for communication.
00:26:58
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:27:04
Keck
I thought that you would um know what it is. I can't think of it College was a ways away for both of us.
00:27:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I don't I don't remember what the term is off the top of my head, but uh Yeah, yeah, but Yeah,
00:27:13
Keck
So, you know, but uh, you know and I was in the film major But uh, yeah, I'm trying to think of what it yeah, I'm not gonna lock it up. Anyway For a she doesn't aerobic shelf
00:27:21
Kevin Dougherty
but uh, yeah, so the basic plot of this is uh, demi moore is this like uh aging star who who was like really famous for a while then like she's like Yeah yeah Yeah, then she ah becomes like a you know ah an aerobics show. kind of It was kind of based off of like ah Jane Fonda, who was like an Oscar winner. Then she was famous doing like aerobics and stuff like that.
00:27:45
Keck
If you don't know who Jane Fond is, you should educate yourself.
00:27:45
Kevin Dougherty
but that
00:27:48
Kevin Dougherty
yes So she so as as she turns 50, because it's her 50th birthday, ah like she overhears Dennis Quaid's character, who's like the producer of the show.
00:28:02
Kevin Dougherty
um He ah tells, he he's talking on the phone how they need to find somebody younger and hotter than like, at dinner they fire her. And then she's like she's like real distraught and she gets into an accident and somebody comes along and is like, hey, you're a perfect candidate for this.
00:28:21
Kevin Dougherty
And they send stuff in the mail and like, she goes to like the shady locker and ah and she gets the substance. And shit really ah goes off the rails from there.
00:28:31
Keck
What did they do? They gave her, like, they sent her an address, and then, like, um in that address, like, they give her, like, they say, like, go in and go to, like, this locker and...
00:28:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. So there was clearly like, at least maybe like 20 other candidates because they had twenty at least 20 other lockers.
00:28:43
Keck
i Yeah.
00:28:49
Kevin Dougherty
But we only ever meet one other person that was using the substance was the ah the young doctor guy who we see later on in the diner.
00:28:57
Keck
And then he mentioned that things didn't go well.
00:28:58
Kevin Dougherty
and Yeah, yeah.
00:29:01
Keck
but
00:29:02
Kevin Dougherty
And the whole prospect of it is kind of
00:29:05
Keck
it
Plot Mechanics of 'The Substance'
00:29:06
Kevin Dougherty
it when you take the substance, it creates another version of you.
00:29:12
Kevin Dougherty
It bursts from your back spine. And you are you have to like so like when one version of you is in a coma, you have to like and when you and your younger version's out, you have to like you have a feeding tube that you feed it and to keep yourself younger, you're like taking a spinal fluid and making sure you take that to keep yourself younger.
00:29:34
Kevin Dougherty
But if you don't, ah you have to do it exactly like every seven days, like on the top, on the money. Otherwise, like things will get really fucked up. And yeah, it's it's fucking it's a wild movie like if you can say.
00:29:50
Keck
And let me just say, if what Kevin said makes no sense to you whatsoever, that's totally fine, because it is extremely hard to describe.
00:30:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:03
Keck
um It's something that, like, you really have to see. I mean, you tried to sum it up the best you could, but, like, to somebody that's never seen the movie, you'd be like, what the fuck is he talking about?
00:30:14
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:30:15
Keck
When you see it, you're like, oh shit, what the fuck? look
00:30:18
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:30:19
Keck
So yeah, it was very unique in that. like There's been other movies that have had like similar concepts. like yeah A great example that you mentioned was Death Becomes Her with that youth potion and stuff like that.
00:30:32
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah.
00:30:34
Keck
That was a great reference. um i hadn't thought about that movie in quite some time uh that's uh an oldie but goodie if you've never ah checked out and want something retro um um but uh yeah i mean it's just batshit yeah basically it's like it's a youth potion but like in order to claim that youth you have to put ah well First off, let's talk about like what happens when she first injects this drug.
00:31:07
Keck
That's the only thing I knew about the movie and I'm actually glad because I thought it involved drug dealers. Like drug smuggling and stuff like that.
00:31:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:31:17
Keck
And like that is a very inaccurate description as to if.
00:31:23
Kevin Dougherty
i thought I thought the substance was like she was going to take it and she herself would just turn into the younger body.
00:31:29
Keck
Yes.
00:31:30
Kevin Dougherty
That's kind of what I thought.
00:31:31
Keck
Exactly.
00:31:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's not that at all.
00:31:32
Keck
Exactly. No.
00:31:34
Kevin Dougherty
It literally creates another, I mean, they kind of tease in the beginning with the egg and the and the substance going the egg and the ah the other egg conforms.
00:31:40
Keck
Yeah.
00:31:42
Kevin Dougherty
And when when that scene, know that's like the opening shot too. And my friend goes, What the fuck are we watching? I just started cracking up because I was like dude you are in for some fucking shit dude This is my second viewing when I went and took her
00:31:53
Keck
Yeah.
00:31:57
Keck
Well we were just talking about the alien and after she injects the drug basically like if you think of the alien and how that egg opens up and like how that like morphing thing comes out well that's basically like what happens to your body like through your back it like rips open like your body like your living body after you inject this drug turns like basically implants like a xenomorph inside you that's like a human egg that like erupts out of your back
00:32:21
Kevin Dougherty
email your
00:32:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:32:38
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:32:38
Keck
but it doesn't necessarily like you're basically injecting it without the spider like jumping on your face you're putting it in there but it doesn't kill you yeah it just injects something and then a younger better looking you rips out of your body grows exponentially like you're in like basically like an embryonic sac and like
00:32:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and it does like it doesn't kill you either. It doesn't break. Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's and it's not just like a younger version of her. it's yet Like you said, it's a younger, better version of her.
00:33:12
Keck
Yes, better in like every way.
00:33:12
Kevin Dougherty
So it's not like but like a young you're not seeing like a young Demi Moore. So like that's why people don't recognize her as like a young Demi Moore.
00:33:19
Keck
Yeah.
00:33:21
Kevin Dougherty
It creates a younger, better version of you.
00:33:23
Keck
Yeah.
00:33:23
Kevin Dougherty
And you share the same consciousness.
00:33:23
Keck
The interesting...
00:33:26
Kevin Dougherty
And like she has to like sew her but back up.
00:33:29
Keck
Yeah.
00:33:30
Kevin Dougherty
and and like so so she stays that way but yeah went and then uh and the um you could see it was like Chekhov's gun like right in the beginning when she gets the substance and it says like for a single use only and she doesn't finish it you're like well that's gonna come back later on in the movie you know I mean like yeah
00:33:31
Keck
Yeah.
00:33:47
Keck
Oh, yeah, yeah, well definitely. The interesting thing is you talked about joint consciousness and yet they share that. But at the same time, it seemed like only half the like, because the other part of her wanted nothing to do with the older version. So although like they shared like a joint consciousness,
00:34:11
Keck
Part of that consciousness was like a progressive consciousness that wanted nothing to do with the older version, which you can understand.
00:34:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. Well, like the whole thing is like, ah it's kind of all about like beauty standards and and Hollywood and and your self image as well and trying to so like when she was that younger self, she didn't want to go back to the older self.
00:34:30
Keck
Yeah.
00:34:35
Kevin Dougherty
That was that that was the big thing.
00:34:35
Keck
She had resentment towards her older
00:34:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, she was. Yeah, she was like, yeah, exactly. And even though she ran into like
00:34:40
Keck
like this disgusting shell like...
00:34:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and even though she ran into like ah an old classmate who still found the beauty in her, like she was just like, no, I want to stay in that younger body. I mean, when I was talking to her friend Minor about it, I was just like i was like dude thick when she like ah as like, dude, because it's like one week on and one week off, so like when she's like Demi Moore,
00:34:53
Keck
yeah
00:35:04
Kevin Dougherty
And she's just sitting around watching TV. I was like, dude, this is the life. I was like, how is she fucking this up? I'd work for a week straight and then sit around and do nothing for a week.
00:35:12
Keck
yeah yeah
00:35:13
Kevin Dougherty
I was like, this is amazing. But yeah, she abuses it one night when her younger version wants to have sex with this guy. And she stays a little bit too long.
00:35:25
Kevin Dougherty
And when she comes back into Demi Moore, part of her hand is now older. So like it's yeah, it's it kind of fucks with the like if you're if you don't switch, then the older version of you just gets more grotesque and and older as it goes along and eventually you won't be able to do it anymore. And Yeah, i thought I thought this movie was like gross ah like and it was fucking like the acting was fantastic. Like the scene
Exploring Themes of 'The Substance'
00:35:52
Kevin Dougherty
with den Dennis Quaid where he's like eating the shrimp in the beginning when he's talking to Demi Moore. That was probably like one of the grossest scenes of the movie. This is because it's like the recommend for a dream, like the close up shot of like him being real gross and eating the shrimp and shit.
00:36:07
Keck
Or when you show a close-up of anyone's mouth eating anything, to be frank, it's present.
00:36:11
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah, but he was eating it real sloppy though. like
00:36:15
Keck
Yeah, but this movie had some great underlying concepts. yeah we' We're were're describing it like Raleigh to you, but um you know ah one of the things ah that becomes clear is that there is addiction in it. With the drug dealing, um at first it starts as like sort of like um you know just trying like this casual thing to make yourself feel better.
00:36:42
Keck
Then it grows into a dependency. Anyone familiar with drug addiction knows this. And then from dependency it comes to an all-out addiction where you're breaking all the rules.
00:36:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:36:57
Keck
It used to be something you could just do a little bit at a time and it becomes more and more until it's all consuming in your life. And then another dimension was also the hypersexualization of women.
00:37:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yep.
00:37:12
Keck
And, you know, I was thinking it reminded me of an episode of The Simpsons, where ah they were taught the theme of the episode was about like objectivity of women and stuff like that.
00:37:25
Keck
And I think it's like Mo or somebody is like, I love the way your body looks. And someone else is like, you're an object. And it just, you know, that's something that I always remember.
00:37:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:37:36
Keck
And, um you know, ah Margaret Kweli, I mean, she's young, she's absolutely beautiful. She, thankfully, I wasn't sure of this, but this like, um be this was like ah on the Vanity Fair, it was like one of the first things that they mentioned was that Margaret Kweli actually wore a set of prosthetic breasts.
00:37:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that was in my trivia that I was going to like mention.
00:38:01
Keck
yeah Yeah, it was to like make her look i mean even more voluptuous than she was.
00:38:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah
00:38:07
Keck
i I was happy to hear that she didn't actually have surgery for the movie or you know for any other reasons because she is a beautiful woman through and through and doesn't need any of that.
00:38:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:38:19
Keck
But like it just goes further into the theme of the hypersexualization of women today. And ah Dennis Quaid's character did a brilliant job of basically like just going along with it like he didn't give a fuck about anything else except how she looked and that was everything like your feelings mean nothing I just want a good-looking broad to do this and to you know make men tune in to make everyone tune in your body your body your body you're a fucking object
00:38:43
Kevin Dougherty
jeff Yep, yep.
00:39:01
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:39:01
Keck
And, you know, i I thought that they did that brilliantly.
00:39:07
Keck
I thought they integrated those themes brilliantly in a very, as you described in good detail, unconventional manner. And I thought that they pulled it off excellent.
00:39:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeahs so and ah yeah. And the fact that it was like you get like the female director perspective of the objectivity of female and in Hollywood, I thought was like a good, interesting way instead of getting the you know the regular male mail perspective too.
00:39:26
Keck
Yeah.
00:39:36
Kevin Dougherty
And what I also
Demi Moore's Bold Choice
00:39:38
Kevin Dougherty
liked was when I first liked that first scene when she first takes it, she Demi Moore is in the bathroom, like fully nude. And I'm like, wow, she looks great for 50, only to find out later she's 61, 62 years old.
00:39:50
Kevin Dougherty
And I'm um like,
00:39:50
Keck
Oh yeah, i knew I knew that she was, she yeah, she's like 62 or something like that.
00:39:54
Kevin Dougherty
yeah. And I'm like, wow, she looks great for fucking 62. I was really surprised.
00:39:58
Keck
And you know, and good that's credit to Demi Moore too, because I mean, that's like a challenging um thing, you know, if you want to show your body at that age.
00:40:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well that was one of the tributes. She was like she was like worried about like you know being ah fully naked. And it was the younger Margaret that like helped her like you know work on that and um and and like be comfortable being being nude in that situation.
00:40:17
Keck
yeah
00:40:21
Kevin Dougherty
so
00:40:21
Keck
Yeah, and and to go into even more depth about it, and I'm not 100% sure because I didn't read the full interview, but Demi Moore had talked about when she was younger, ah she did a movie called Stripty's.
00:40:35
Keck
And before she did the film, she had gone to a plastic surgeon and gotten implants.
00:40:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:40:42
Keck
um And I believe that later in life before this movie, she had gone back and had those implants removed from her body because you know breast augmentation has come a long way in years since then and um you know because ah the initial implants were very unhealthy they could leak silicone you know women died of poisoning or complications and you know at
00:41:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah
00:41:12
Keck
all the while they were doing it for their own esteem and you know for others to react to them and as a male i'll never really understand what that's like like i i don't feel like i can understand what that's like uh completely but um you know ah She opened up about it in the interview and I believe she went back and had the like implants removed from her body. and um When I saw her in this film, she looked um natural and still beautiful at her age. and I just thought it took a lot of guts, a lot of courage to you know do something like that. and you know For Kweli, of course,
00:41:59
Keck
Whenever, I think whenever, um you know, whether you're a man or a woman and, you know, you do nudity, especially in like a major motion picture that's going to be viewed by, you know, anyone in the world, like there's got to be some sense of like, you know, courage and confidence that are required for the role. And, um you know, I thought that they both did a great job and, you know, hey,
00:42:24
Keck
As a man, I'll just be honest, I'll never get sick and tired of looking at a Margaret Poily. I mean, she's beautiful.
00:42:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, she is under the G before, so she was way more comfortable than Demi Moore was, yeah.
00:42:32
Keck
And yet, she actually did something with that guy I hate. I told you about it. I can't remember. It was actually a good, it was a short film.
00:42:43
Kevin Dougherty
Should I look both?
00:42:45
Keck
He was in the Indiana Jones movie. ah Yeah, they were in I actually watched the full short it was actually like really really good but yet
00:42:50
Kevin Dougherty
Can I fly?
00:42:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I was like, who could you hate from Indiana Jones? Oh, there's only one.
00:42:59
Keck
Well, yeah, I mean, there is.
00:42:59
Kevin Dougherty
There's like one person.
00:43:00
Keck
Yeah. um I mean, but I mean, to his credit, he also admit about having substance abuse. say Well, I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole.
00:43:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:43:09
Keck
But um ah yeah, I mean, she just did. um I mean, she did a a fantastic job. And see, not only is she beautiful on the outside,
00:43:20
Keck
but I've seen like multiple interviews with her. She is a very intelligent woman, very well spoken. um and i mean She seems to be a beautiful person on the inside as well. and that's always be so that's always been something that I found attractive about her.
00:43:40
Keck
I first discovered her ah from an HBO series called ah The Leftovers, which ah was a, yeah, it's some horror, sci-fi,
00:43:47
Kevin Dougherty
Okay, I never watched that.
00:43:54
Keck
Bizarre yeah, um and that was the first time I ever noticed her and um Since then, you know her career has done.
00:43:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:44:04
Keck
Well, I mean she's a she's a great actress and um You know, I thought she nailed it. I thought the chemistry between her and Demi Moore was great and Dennis Quaid man ah Yeah
00:44:18
Kevin Dougherty
yeah They should all get like so somebody's got again an offer or something from that that, from all their performances, like everybody's so fucking great.
00:44:24
Keck
Yeah, and Dennis Quaid had nowhere near as much screen time as um ah more Qualey.
00:44:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:44:34
Keck
I mean, Qualey had the most screen time, you know, because, you know, she was constantly, she became a full-blown addict.
00:44:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:44:42
Kevin Dougherty
Abusing the situation.
00:44:44
Keck
did yeah
00:44:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:44:46
Keck
The thing is, is despite Quaid's lack of screen time compared to the other two, every time he made an appearance, it was like a real fucking standout, like bang.
00:44:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:45:00
Keck
Like it it was like totally fucking perfect, like totally on cue. His facial expressions were, you know, he could have just been totally silent, him rubbing his hands together, and like, yeah, bring out the next one.
00:45:12
Kevin Dougherty
air Yeah, yeah. know Yeah.
00:45:17
Keck
You know, yeah, I mean...
00:45:18
Kevin Dougherty
i was I was not expecting that that performance from him either. I know he's been like, a but he's not like a top tier actor for me.
00:45:25
Keck
Yeah.
00:45:25
Kevin Dougherty
And like that really like put him a little bit higher for me. And originally, yeah, he used to be.
00:45:28
Keck
he used to be, I mean, dude, you re we all remember, you know, uh, those of us that are old enough, we all remember inner space, right?
00:45:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:38
Keck
With him. And I think it was like Dana, was it Dana Carter? Uh, who's on only work?
00:45:45
Kevin Dougherty
and it was I think it was Dana Carvey, yeah.
00:45:47
Keck
Was that who's in the only workers?
00:45:48
Kevin Dougherty
Oh no, ah no, it was Martin Short.
00:45:51
Keck
Martin Short, yes.
00:45:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:52
Keck
Martin Short, like him being in that probe inside Martin Short's body doing all that thing.
00:45:57
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
00:45:59
Keck
I mean, I fell in love with him like, ah and when I was like younger, and then he did a whole bunch of crazy shit where he would like go on ah Ellen DeGeneres, and like he would do like prank phone calls to people, or Ellen would be like narrating to him what to say.
00:46:16
Keck
My mom loves him because of that.
00:46:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:19
Keck
And, uh, yeah, every time he was on screen, like, although his appearance might have been brief, it was a real fucking standout. Like, I could have used more Quaid.
00:46:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:46:31
Keck
But at the same time...
00:46:32
Kevin Dougherty
Well, um originally that role was supposed to go to ah Ray Liotta, but he had passed away before Feldman started, it so it wasn't...
00:46:41
Keck
He, uh... You should really never say that.
00:46:43
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, sorry.
00:46:44
Keck
He is simply on a hill.
00:46:44
Kevin Dougherty
he he's he became unaventled He became unavailable. unavailable.
00:46:48
Keck
He became unavailable for the foreseeable future.
00:46:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yes. I have some other ah trivia here. um Let's see, it's it's movie's highest gross in the film. ah the um Obviously, the Red Hallway scene was a Stanley Kubrick. um Yeah, the close-up montages, fisheye lenses were reference references to Red Room for a Dream. I've already mentioned that. um There was one other one that I saw.
00:47:26
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, um that the film was partly inspired by a picture of Dorian Gray, which makes sense when you when you think about it.
00:47:33
Keck
yeah Yeah, yeah, the actual I didn't even um I didn't actually even consider that it didn't come to mind.
00:47:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:47:42
Keck
that That's ah that's a fucking that's a great reference.
00:47:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, because when she starts like when Sue starts ah abusing the ah
00:47:47
Keck
That's a great reference.
00:47:52
Kevin Dougherty
the The substance, yeah, look, this body starts to rot.
00:47:54
Keck
Yeah.
00:47:57
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, and I guess I'm gonna spoil the end here.
00:48:02
Keck
Well, the end,
00:48:02
Kevin Dougherty
ah
The Grotesque Finale of 'The Substance'
00:48:03
Keck
I did not see the ending coming.
00:48:05
Keck
I mean, the end, the end, I could have used without the grotesqueness, but at the same time, they nailed it.
00:48:05
Kevin Dougherty
No.
00:48:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I don't think, um don't think ah yeah, I know a lot of people were like,
00:48:16
Keck
They absolutely nailed it.
00:48:21
Kevin Dougherty
the The movie's great, but like it should have ended like 30 minutes earlier. I'm like, well, then how do you end the movie? Like you can't, like you need.
00:48:26
Keck
I don't think that movie went on too long.
00:48:27
Kevin Dougherty
and like great have thing
00:48:29
Keck
No, I thought i thought it was...
00:48:30
Kevin Dougherty
No, no, not they didn't, they didn't say it went on too long. They, they were saying that the ending like was, I guess, two grotesque for them.
00:48:33
Keck
Yeah.
00:48:39
Kevin Dougherty
I like, cause like, yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:48:40
Keck
I thought that was the point, though. Like, you followed me here? Yeah, you were in agreement.
00:48:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. ah yeah Oh yeah. Well, we're completely in agreement. I fucking love the ending.
00:48:48
Keck
Yes.
00:48:48
Kevin Dougherty
I thought the ending was perfect, but like, Yeah, I definitely didn't say like, yeah, I knew like she was going to abuse.
00:48:51
Keck
And necessary. Like, you know what I mean?
00:48:54
Kevin Dougherty
I knew she was going to go back and get the reactivator again. Well, what happens is she clearly she's trying to do like a New Year show and she goes months with just keep spinal tap in it to re up and it makes the um Demi Moore Elizabeth character.
00:49:10
Kevin Dougherty
It makes her extremely older and and grotesque, and she wants to stop, but to stop you you have to like kill the other one, and she kind of stops like midway through killing her and it like wakes ah Margaret Qualey up.
00:49:25
Kevin Dougherty
ah Sue it was her character's name and so they get into like a fight and Sue just like barters her so like she can no longer use the substance because she doesn't have anymore.
00:49:28
Keck
two
00:49:39
Keck
It was the only way.
00:49:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, she has no more files.
00:49:40
Keck
It it was the only way.
00:49:43
Kevin Dougherty
And she starts so shes when she goes to the New Year's show, she starts to rot, which I love that fucking scene. where like the like it was It was hitting on like every grotesque scene that you hate. It was like fingernails and teeth like falling off and shit like that. So it was like hitting all those great markers.
00:50:00
Kevin Dougherty
and the So she goes back and gets the activator again and she injects herself and she turns into a grotesque monster, kind of like the monster on the fly would be like the best way to kind of describe it.
00:50:16
Keck
yeah Bully fly. Yeah. Yeah that would and then she just paints that on and again if this makes no sense to you It's because it's nearly indescribable.
00:50:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah,
00:50:25
Keck
You have to watch it Well, I was thinking like when she was doing it more and more I got that guns and roses Song in my head where he's talking about mr.
00:50:25
Kevin Dougherty
yeah. yeah
00:50:34
Keck
Brownstone He's like I used to do a little bit a little bit and do it and a little got more more That just you know, that's you know addiction and
00:50:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:50:45
Keck
fuck
00:50:46
Kevin Dougherty
yeah but ah one of the Yeah.
00:50:47
Keck
but God damn, it was an incredible rush. Like, what a ride.
00:50:50
Kevin Dougherty
But one of the ah trivia part is that that is actually in that monster, Elisa Sue, a monster. That is actually a Margaret Qualey.
00:51:01
Kevin Dougherty
She's in that that monster suit.
00:51:04
Keck
she's in that suit that's supposed to be like the fucking decrepit or rotting like basically slime version yeah like a hunchback yeah i mean she she's a mutant she's like um if anybody is familiar with halo she's like what happens to like one of the commanders where he gets like uh absorbed by the blood yeah
00:51:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:10
Kevin Dougherty
It's got like extra, extra heads and faces and stuff, yeah.
00:51:25
Kevin Dougherty
When the flood attacks, yeah, yeah.
00:51:27
Keck
and they have to like shit like kill him to like yeah it's just a fucking total monstrosity of uh yeah horrid fucking yeah you just morph into a fucking like ungodly like unholy fucking creature you're a mutant toxic avenger this
00:51:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:35
Kevin Dougherty
Or like in Resident Evil with like the dude with the eye on his shoulder. Like kind of like that. Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:45
Kevin Dougherty
And she's still, she still goes. Yeah. Yeah. She still goes to the show and she's wearing just the cutout face of Demi Moore.
00:51:56
Kevin Dougherty
She's like, I'm here.
00:51:56
Keck
yeah
00:51:57
Kevin Dougherty
And like the whole time I'm like, dude, how is nobody gone? What the fuck? i think
00:52:02
Keck
because it was part of it like it's the out it was just the resemblance of the young ah Demi Moore and that's all that they saw like you know what I mean was yeah and
00:52:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:13
Kevin Dougherty
let's just yeah phase Yeah, I think it was just because everyone in the audience was like just stunned by what was happening. and Then they when they start yelling out monster and like, yeah.
00:52:22
Keck
yeah Yeah, but at first it was just like, and to me that just went to the objectivity like, um, again, and then, you know, then it was like, then they realized and it was like a shocking rebuke.
00:52:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
00:52:37
Keck
And, um, like I said, I mean, you have to, it's hard to properly explain it. Um, but, uh, yeah, I mean, this, what, this was a killer.
00:52:48
Keck
I thought it knocked it out of the park. I loved it. Um, I'm watching it again in a couple of days with a friend, looking forward to it.
00:52:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:52:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yelva.
00:52:55
Keck
And yeah, I mean, what would be great is if I watched Barbie, because I guarantee it, like, greg I haven't seen anything, but I'm assuming Greg or I would love that film.
00:53:08
Keck
And it would be great to watch Barbie.
00:53:11
Kevin Dougherty
Into the subs.
00:53:12
Keck
into the substance I think because you have two things what you know Barbie was about like objectivity and you know that whole thing with women and sexuality and stuff and then go from like that into the substance like you know the
00:53:13
Kevin Dougherty
but yeah
00:53:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, in a different way. different way
00:53:30
Kevin Dougherty
and then And then I feel like you can go into Smile 2, because I feel like Smile 2 had a lot of parallels with the substance as well, with dealing with fame and and substance abuse in that movie as well.
00:53:42
Kevin Dougherty
We'll talk about Smile 2 at a different time.
00:53:43
Keck
yeah you know i oh Yeah, I mean, I get what you mean, but like not so much.
00:53:49
Kevin Dougherty
No, not too much, but I mean it definitely dealt with, you know, fame and she definitely had a substance problem. Uh, and she was going through situations. That's for sure.
00:53:59
Kevin Dougherty
But, uh, yeah, I mean, so yeah.
00:54:01
Keck
yeah On that, we agree. yeah
00:54:04
Kevin Dougherty
Uh, my final thoughts on this are, yes, all three actors. Fantastic. Uh, cinematography. Fantastic. Like the score, dude, the score.
00:54:13
Keck
Yeah.
00:54:15
Kevin Dougherty
We didn't even talk about the score. Oh my God. I had to download the score.
00:54:17
Keck
Didn't didn talk about that, but I mean, that's something that's something that you have to experience.
00:54:18
Kevin Dougherty
and what yeah
00:54:21
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah.
00:54:21
Keck
You have to hear it. I mean, you know, I've always said that I think that, like, um music in the films are, like, one of the most overlooked things on, like,
00:54:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
The Power of Music in Film
00:54:33
Keck
what makes a film great, like, ah to compare it to, like, um the original Predator.
00:54:39
Keck
Like, that movie would not have been nearly as cool to me without, like, the or
00:54:42
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, that... Yeah, the part of the music's just iconic, yeah.
00:54:47
Keck
Yeah, I mean, and people don't think about that stuff, but like you know all that like i mean contributes to like your enjoyment of the film in its entirety, like so much more, but like I think it goes over a lot.
00:54:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:54:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:55:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I think so.
00:55:03
Keck
and um
00:55:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I had I was like, I got to listen to the soundtrack. And it's it's not like really a listenable soundtrack necessarily, because it is a lot of like, loud, like, oh, yeah.
00:55:14
Keck
yeah well most miss films yeah you don't yeah it's not it's not like that it's not like you're going for like uh the the juice soundtrack with Tupac and shit like but like yeah
00:55:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:55:23
Kevin Dougherty
no yeah or Yeah, I mean it's not like the the Star Wars soundtrack either which is a lot of like classical music where you could listen to the Star Wars contract without watching the movie but like this isn't one like you could I mean you could listen to like maybe one or two but like that's about it but uh yeah yeah I'll be like
00:55:40
Keck
And I think that goes with like, you know, like 75, 80% of films is like something that you just don't want.
00:55:47
Kevin Dougherty
I'll be like, oh, I really like the music in the movie. But then when I would listen to it, I'd download it, and then I'd try to listen to it out. And I was like, it doesn't really work the same without the movie.
00:55:55
Kevin Dougherty
Like, it just fits in well. But yeah, I mean, I can't wait for this to come out. It's not coming out till next summer for, ah you know, Blu-ray. And ah thank yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:55:55
Keck
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:56:04
Keck
Really that long?
00:56:07
Kevin Dougherty
i I guess they want to try to drive traffic to a movie to get people to sign up for their service or whatever.
00:56:07
Keck
Wow.
00:56:13
Keck
it's just ah It's just a shame that so many people are going to miss out on this, I feel, at least for a while. But um your final thoughts pretty much echo my own.
00:56:19
Kevin Dougherty
for a while, yeah.
00:56:23
Keck
My final thoughts are, if you have not watched this film, as much of a pain in the ass as it is to subscribe to this service for a seven-day trial, um you know I think honestly it's worth it.
00:56:38
Keck
like Do what Doc said, you know get in, Subscribe and then just cancel your pay you reoccurring payments and to check this thing out It just sucks that it doesn't seem that this service has like any other worthwhile content at this time And there's too many fucking streaming services as there is and you don't need another reoccurring bill on your credit card
00:56:54
Kevin Dougherty
I mean I haven't I haven't dug through a lot of it but it seems like a lot some of the other stuff is available elsewhere so hopefully yeah hopefully yeah hopefully they'll uh like, you know, lend it out or not lend it out, but, you know, sell it out to like some other type of streamsters because it it did really well in theaters.
00:57:16
Kevin Dougherty
Like for for I don't I don't have the budget information in front of me, but I know it it's it's like I said, it was one of the highest grossing movie ah ah movies that that have come out.
00:57:17
Keck
Yeah.
00:57:29
Kevin Dougherty
So and I don't think the budget was really even that high. I think I have a right here on IMDB, at least the maybe the box office. No, it does have a, I'm surprised it's down to a 7.4 out of 10 on IMDB.
00:57:43
Keck
yeah it used to be it was an 8.1 uh about a month ago and it's i mean it's got over 150 000 reviews
00:57:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:57:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, but like I said, I think it might've been because ah ah some people didn't like the ending.
00:57:54
Keck
but you know this
00:57:58
Kevin Dougherty
And this movie is not for everybody. That's for damn sure.
00:58:00
Keck
Yeah, no, definitely not. But just as a final thing, i didn't the budget was relatively tame. um The budget is an estimated 17.5 million and um gross worldwide was ah over 56 million.
00:58:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:58:19
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah.
00:58:20
Keck
on and Actually, what's interesting about this is the growth in North America, just ah US s and Canada, was just over 16 million.
00:58:22
Kevin Dougherty
No, I see it now.
00:58:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:58:30
Keck
so This actually did a lot better in like other regions than it did in US s and Canada. the US and Canada, it didn't even make up its ah budget.
00:58:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it was just just shy of its budget.
00:58:42
Keck
so um
00:58:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:58:44
Keck
Yeah, just shut on well a little over a million dollars under budget so but um Yeah, I mean it looks like it did ah really well in other countries, and I think that's awesome So ah you know just you know it was very far-reaching and ah but uh yeah I mean that's uh all I have on the substance any final words of wisdom doc I
00:58:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:58:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:59:09
Kevin Dougherty
ah No, that's about it. ah Let's wrap this up with the come follow us on Facebook in the Facebook group. And ah we will probably talk about we have plenty of talk about we have from we've got
00:59:23
Keck
oh yeah we got a lot of things coming up did yeah yeah yeah we're gonna be talking about a lot of the stuff in the days to come yeah
00:59:24
Kevin Dougherty
We've got aliens. We've got smiles. the It's just a matter of ah timing ah of when we'll be able to get these out. but And there's a lot of the stuff that came out earlier this year that are that are going to be streaming by the end of the month that are going to be worth checking out as well. I still haven't seen ah the new movie, Heretic. I haven't seen that yet.
00:59:50
Kevin Dougherty
with Hugh Grant, which looked ah interesting. um And then I think there was, oh, there's a new werewolves movie coming out ah that's like supposedly like The Purge, but with werewolves and it's got Frank Grillo. It looks fucking interesting.
01:00:05
Keck
Yeah, yeah yeah yeahp we're going to be ah talking about all this, especially Alien Romulus.
01:00:05
Kevin Dougherty
a lot
01:00:11
Keck
and you know As we had mentioned with a Predator, yeah i mean hey it's the fall going into winter. This is TV time. This is when like historically Americans and, the well, I think just about everybody in the world is more cued into TV, especially with the holiday season coming up.
01:00:31
Keck
So yeah, again, follow us on all the things Kevin mentioned. And I hope everybody um has a safe and happy holiday season and good night and good luck.
01:00:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yes. Peace.