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Worst Finales
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In this episode we talk about the worst tv show finales according to fans
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Introduction: Disappointing TV Finales
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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, die in times here. Welcome to the right.
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Hello, good evening and welcome to Fright Central where we talk all things horror. My name is Brandon Keck and I'm here with my buddy Kevin Dock.
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And tonight we're going to be talking a little bit about television series that have had really abysmal endings either very bad finale finales or have just kind of like broken apart as seasons go on. Um, we're going to try to concentrate on mainly the most like widely criticized ones rather than like, you know, all of our personal opinions, but
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I'm doing the intro this time and Doc has some news.
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Yeah, just the I think we should definitely, you know, be more of our personal opinions. Well, yeah, I was just saying, like, we talked before this, like, we're going. Obviously, this is a subjective topic, but like, yeah, I figure because I don't agree with a lot of critics at the same time. It's all personal. Exactly. I just figured to focus on the most controversial ones, the ones where fans and critics alike
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have all like, kind of like come out in the masses and said like, yo, this shit fucking sucked. Like, you know, the later seasons become disappointing or just the final finale, like a couple shows that we're going to discuss. But like, I just figured like focus on like the ones where you had the most negative reviews. You know what I mean?
Critique of The Walking Dead's Finale
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Yeah. Well, I mean the, uh, I have pretty much good news for you then. Cause I know how you feel about the walking dead, uh, right off the bat. Yeah. Let's just start off on there. Cause the walking dead, well I have, I wrote down the walking dead fear, the walking dead, and then in parentheses put whatever the fuck other walking dead docs and it's about to come out.
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has gone on for long enough should have ended years ago, lingering story beaten to death. Well, then I've got good news and bad news for you then. So the Walking Dead is coming to an end. They're doing one more season, but it's going to be an extended 24 episode season that's going to go on for two years.
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So you still have the season finale, which is supposed to come out in October. And then there's going to be the six extra episodes that said we're going to be a part of this season that I've just read that it's going to involve what Maggie was doing this season because she hasn't been in this season at all. The last couple of seasons have gotten a lot better.
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But you've probably stopped a long time ago. So then they announced this last season is going to be 24 episodes instead of 16. So it's going to be over two years. But then the bad news for you is that they've... It doesn't seem like that's good news for me either. You're saying the Walking Dead is playing around for another two years.
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but it's ending but then the really bad news for you is yeah the world beyond which is the new show that's starting that's a limited series so that's only going to be two seasons but then there's a spin-off show that they're doing with carol and darryl after that
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And then there's going to be another anthology series that's going to follow smaller characters with smaller stories. So yeah, even though the main flagship show is ending, The Walking Dead is not ending. Yeah, no, it doesn't. I kind of understand why that crazed director, what's his name? Frank Derembont. Yeah, I understand. From the first season. We should put a link up on Facebook.
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of like the emails that he sent out about like killing writers and like stomping them and burning their houses down.
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I don't even think it's the same writers since then. Well, I do wonder where that crazed anger came from, you know what I mean? I didn't hear any good news in what you just said. Oh, and don't forget they're still working on the Rick Grimes movies, too. They said there was going to be three. So this is going to go on for another like 10 years at least. Yeah, basically. I mean, and then there's going to be a spinoff in from the perspective of the zombie.
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maybe I'm assuming there's something like that but um like obviously the Walking Dead like you just said has not ended and it doesn't uh plan on ending anytime soon hopefully ending anytime soon so
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That wouldn't really, it's disappointing to me that it's still going on. I just think the story has been absolutely trampled over. It's just gone on way too long. But I mean, you're saying the finale is still a couple of years away. So it could just get so much worse that like, I shouldn't really spend much time on it because the worst is yet to come, right?
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Well, I mean, technically they haven't called up to where the comic book is yet. So, uh, so there's, they're still working off material, but I mean, they've kind of completely separated from the comic, but they're still like story arcs overall that they include. But yeah, you still got two more seasons and then you can be an interoperable in Georgia. It's in Georgia.
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So the fire would have to encompass the entire country to get to this set. Yeah, they have their own complex there that they shoot on. I'm not rooting for the fires. I don't mean to say that. And with the new technology they have called Volume that they used on the Mandalorian, which has virtual sets and stuff like that, you don't even need to shoot on location anymore.
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Yeah, they can go shoot in a warehouse away from trees and fires and shit if they really need it to. It's completely out of control, whatever. That's way more like Walking Dead than I wanted to talk about. Moving right along.
Penny Dreadful's Weak Ending
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For me, one of the disappointing finales that I have seen
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was the finale for Penny Dreadful. I love that show. I don't know if we've ever actually talked much about that show on the podcast because you had said you've never seen it, correct? No, I have not seen it. I know that it got, I believe it got canceled after the third season and then they revived it with the City of Angels or something like that. I forget what the new series was called. It's got Natalie Dwemer from Game of Thrones in it.
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But it's I think it's supposed to be a separate story from the original penny dreadful, but no I haven't I haven't started watching it It's all my it's on my list. I'll get into it any dreadful I mean the story it just mixes everything and you have like you know the vampires you have Frankenstein you know I mean you have like zombie mummy type shit like Dorian Gray is present like they basically what they did is they took all the classic and
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monster creatures from all over and like jumble them all together in what I thought was like the Wolfman, like a very cleverly done production of all the classic monsters from the 1950s to present day. I just thought it was really well done. And I don't mean to shit on the show because I thought it had a pretty good three solid seasons.
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The final season left a bit to be desired. And then the final episode, the finale just left a tremendous amount to be desired. Did it end on a cliffhanger? Or it just... No, no, no, it was very prone up.
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I just heard it had gotten cancelled but maybe not. No no no and it was like for a very dark show
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It had an ending far more cherry than one would come to expect because, you know, the show is very grim. It blows in darkness. I mean, Frankenstein, Dr. Frankenstein is a fucking heroin junkie or morphine junkie. And like, you know, I just I guess I saw things being like, you know, there is the tragic death of one of the
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major characters well the major character in it but um all in all i just really based on how good the seasons had been i expect it a little bit more of the finale and i don't know if like you said if it was um canceled before it's time i thought that they had pretty much settled that the third season was going to be the final season
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I could be wrong either way I thought the finale was weak but the show in general I thought was very good very creative um good acting um you know and I I just enjoyed it immensely it's just you haven't watched you haven't watched the revival yet have you no I haven't I I didn't until you mentioned it now I didn't even know there was a revival
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Yeah, I think Natalie Dorman plays like some type of demon or something that comes to like, uh, well, I think it's Las Vegas, I believe. Uh, yeah. I'll do the pickup from Ava Green's, uh, performance. Yeah. I've seen translation looks pretty good. So I'll have to check it out. Yeah. Yeah. No, definitely. I will too. And what's it called again?
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I believe it's still called Penny Dreadful and I just think it has a subtitle like City of Angels or City of Demons or something like that. Gotcha. Gotcha. I can look it up real quick. City of Angels. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. City of Angels. So it's Penny Dreadful, subtitle, City of Angels. And I'm assuming it's probably different characters. Oh yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, probably a whole new story. I don't know if any of the characters from the original show up at all, because again, I haven't seen the original and I haven't seen the new one. So it's a well, I'll have to get back to you once I watch it all. So speaking of haven't scenes, you had told me that you felt that American horror story had I've never
Inconsistencies in American Horror Story Finales
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seen it. But you said that the conclusion to almost every season of America horror story you thought was like kind of dismal.
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Yeah, I wouldn't say every season. I would say most seasons. I just watched the most recent one, which was called American Horror Story 84, which was a slasher version because every season is kind of like a different genre.
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And they kind of mix other genres into it, and they're all anthologies, but I think a season or two ago, they kind of combined all of them. I think with Apocalypse, they kind of were like, oh, it's actually all one world, even though they'd started out saying it was all separate stories. And the Apocalypse one, they kind of were like, oh, no, it's actually all one big story or whatever.
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So it's it's kind of a mess but uh, some like this this season's I thought started off really well Um, I mean it's like can't be like 80s horror So it's exactly what you expect it to it to be but then like by like the fifth episode Like where like the cops had shown up like I think that's where they should have ended it because then like kind of goes away from the camp and it kind of
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it kind of does some really ridiculous things with it like almost every season where it kind of falls apart but like in the middle and then like they come back to the camp again at the end and it's just it just I didn't think it ended well. I think the best seasons are probably one and two and maybe I think the Roni Q1 I think had a good finale even though I didn't think that started off well.
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So, yeah, in like Apocalypse, I didn't like the first two episodes, but I liked kind of somewhat of the middle, then didn't like the ending. I didn't like Freak Show, like at all.
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I didn't like that. I thought some episodes of Coven were good. And I'm trying to think of what other, oh, there's the election one. I didn't like that one either. So yeah, so it's a real mixed bag. Like they're not worth watching week to week. They're worth binging all at once. That's pretty much like, yeah. So yeah, it's a real mixed bag.
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The show in the first place is like the non-consistency of the story. Oh, I guess to show you're saying a sort format that way to. Yeah, it's supposed to be. Yeah.
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Yeah, it's supposed to be one season, it's supposed to be a different story each one. And I kind of like that because like, okay, you know, you're gonna get a finished thing at the end, but it's like, they haven't really, they've all kind of fallen flat and stuff. Like I think there was a lot of good parts of hotel as well, but then like, there's some other elements that they just kind of don't, they don't mix in with what they're doing and then it kind of falls apart and stuff a lot of times at the end. So yeah, it's a bit of a mess.
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Yeah well I mean I believe I did watch the first episode and I had thought like oh maybe I'll watch because um there was like this ridiculous scene where there was like this real hot redhead made the like real and then like all of a sudden it showed that I'm an actor who I know I don't know I don't know his name but he's like oh Dylan McDermott right yeah and it showed him like buttoning like just like masturbating in the middle of a room and I was like
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Well, you know, this show might have promise and they were like, yeah, that doesn't happen again. And that maid's only in the one episode. Well, no, she's, she's in it more like, cause he only sees her because it's actually an older maid, but he only sees her as this young hot maid, but everyone else sees her as like this older, uh, maid. So it's, it's a real, I thought that first season was, it was, was good, but, uh, yeah.
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But yeah, moving on. What else you got? I didn't like the, um, I would say Dexter, uh, would be, I was going to save Dexter towards the end, but I mean, you mentioned Dexter towards the end.
Dexter's Infamous Plot Twist
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It was fucking awful.
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Well, let me just put it in perspective. Before this cast, like I researched, like I said, I looked for things that were widely considered to be of various degrees of disappointment among the masses and that everybody. Dexter is considered on the IMDb forums, on Reddit, on angryfans.com, and CinemaBlend.
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it's not only considered to be the most disappointing horror series, it's considered to be one of the most disappointing series of any genre. And what's the final season? I didn't hate that much of Dexter, although it's been a while. So I'm sure if I rewatched it again, maybe I'd get even more frustrated. But yeah, I think I would say Dexter itself.
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Yeah, but I would say Dexter overall kind of fell apart, kind of slowly started to get bad after the John Lithgow season, because I think that's their best season. And then I think after that, it kind of slowly, like they were still good seasons, but they weren't, they couldn't top that John Lithgow season. So you could say there was a slight decline, but then yeah, that final season and especially that final episode,
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Or where he becomes a... Do you know John Lithgow's first victim that he killed in the bathtub naked? That the girl, the actress he killed was the girl that used to
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come on like the infomercials to do the um learn at home thing we all knew it she was like i can learn at home in my pajamas like you don't know oh yeah i don't know yeah and she was kind of a thing and then like i remember like all my friends used to be like oh yeah that girl's so fucking hot and like
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Somebody had brought to me and they're like, oh yeah, she gets naked in Dexter. I'm like, what are you talking about? The fucking learn at homegirl? And they're like, yeah, John Lithgow kills her in a bathtub. And I was like, really? I got to tell you, I thought that was kind of strange that it was the learning at homegirl that John Lithgow. I just, yeah, I looked it up. I looked it up on IMDb.
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What if she was uh, what if she was playing the same character like John Lithgow? He's like, oh man, yeah, like I can't stand her I be to kill They're listening home bitch Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah
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My whole thing is at the end, like Dexter obviously knew he had the potential to fake his own death successfully. And he was not being pursued by law enforcement at the time. And yet he was about to be though. Yeah. Well, we don't know for a hundred percent certain, but at the time he faked his own death, he was not being pursued
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No, from what I remember, I think that he was. No, he was not. Or at least there was another person that knew himself. He cleared himself within the police department. If you remember, he had a bogus, he gets interrogated at the end. Everybody was on his side because he killed the guy that killed his sister and his connections to the police. I think Ortega was the name of the guy who was in charge.
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They cleared Dexter of that murder. They cleared him of that killing. That happened at the end. Wasn't he on the boat with his sister? With her corpse and shit? His sister was murdered.
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as he was like going off into the hurricane and then he ends up being a lumberjack his sister dies he's at the hospital his sister dies um you know uh he finds out at the end his sister's actually like in a coma and when he's on the boat he finds out that she had passed she succumbed to her wounds my point is is that at that point dexter was not
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in the subject of an active investigation. He had been cleared. Either way, even if he was being pursued by everybody, like the FBI, like CIA agents were after him, he had obviously the skill set that he could successfully fake his own death. He already had his girl and his kid meeting him in South America.
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So he could have easily faked his own death and moved to South America, but he suddenly like, you know, he is a psycho, but he, he then psychotically loses his mind, feels that like he's a terrible threat to his, um, girlfriend and to his son. So he decides to fake his own death and then become a tree logger in Bumble5.
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I think he's like a lumberjack in Canada or something somewhere like that. Yeah, you see him like in Lumberjack outfit. I don't know if they're supposed to be significance in that like I don't know if that was like done like he's gonna become a huh on the side of lumberjack like that we were just talking about like I'm not sure if there was supposed to be a significance in that but either way I like
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Almost everyone's in agreement that Dexter is one of the most disappointing finales of all time. Like they got it absolutely wrong.
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Yeah. Well, hopefully Showtime brings it back. I mean, you know, with a lot of the shows are getting revivals nowadays, you never know. I mean, it took what 30 years and they brought Twin Peaks back. A lot of actors out of work right now, you know, people. So like, you know, with the invent of Netflix now, like who pretty much green lights anything immediately, like, you know, like
00:22:20
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They only need to bring it back for one season or even just a movie would be fine. That did not work out well for Deadwood.
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I still haven't watched the Deadwood movie, but at least they brought it back and finished it. So, whether it was good or not. Sometimes things are best left dead and buried. Anyway, so what do you got next on your list here? Let's go a little bit more recent.
Westworld's Departure from Original Concept
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Westworld. Now Westworld has not concluded.
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No, no. It's still gonna be a fourth season, so. Yeah, I did too, yeah.
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i didn't like it as much as the first season because i did notice there was some slide from the original concept but i enjoyed it i i didn't think anything of it like i didn't think it was a terrible season or anything like that but then this past season i mean i don't even know where to start like i could do a a cast pretty much on that so i don't want to spend too much time
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But I think, again, this is widely accepted that the show is in catastrophic freefall. I know of very few people that saw anything positive coming from season three.
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It wasn't as good as 1 and 2 and like I liked the setting of like going into the real world and stuff like that but it definitely takes a like almost like a superhero turn to it like a comic book turn.
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and it's like almost real cyber punky and less like what the original show was but at the same time I still I still enjoyed it overall. It still looks really good and I still like that I still liked a lot of it so I don't know.
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Best case scenario is that Dolores wakes up, you know, like in the beginning of season one, episode one, she's talking about how she's in her dream. Best case scenario, season four, episode one starts with Dolores talking about this terrible dream she had, which was season three.
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Like they just sort of pretend it didn't happen. They brush it aside as like some like fantastical thing that was going on in Dolores' head while she was evolving from machine into whatever. Like they just say like, you know, season three was just like this like crazy fucking fucked up dream that was like locked in her memories or something like that. But she was malfunctioning. She got fucked up.
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like she had been watching Breaking Bad like fucking you know that's White Pink and it was just like a whole bunch of like crazy crap that just went wrong with her like you know uh you know her fucking
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digital brain or whatever and season three is supposed to have never actually happened. I enjoyed it. I would have mad respect for them going there like dude like how we how do we clean up what just happened?
00:26:00
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No, it's gonna take place even further in the future. You would always go with a dream. That's always a good way of watching the way. Like, I just fucked up, you know? And the next one
Stranger Things Season 3 Criticism
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on U.N. already, I know you don't feel the same way, but this was also widely criticized and I plan to stop watching, which is crazy because this is a show I love.
00:26:25
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uh which is Stranger Things uh oh yeah i enjoyed three season one and two like i i would say Stranger Things was like my favorite show on television at that point like if somebody had told me that i would have disliked season three so badly that after seeing it i would be like not only am i not pumped about season four of Stranger Things
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I don't even plan on watching the show anymore. I would have told that person they're insane. Like, you know, like I have tall confidence in the Duffer brothers. Like, you know, I like their writing. I like their storytelling. Like, you know, I like the kid cast. I've heard like certain theories about why season three was bad. Um, something involving like some of the child actors and their agents and their attitudes.
00:27:20
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like getting cocky I know I read something about um what's her name Millie Bobby Brown or whatever the girl's name is yeah yeah that's correct I had read something that um she was creating a lot of drama during filming of the second season
00:27:37
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But I did not read anything about that for the third season. I know that if you Google it, you can find a whole bunch of stuff talking about how she was
00:27:51
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creating drama on set. I don't know what the context was. I don't know what it was about. But that was one of the theories that I heard that there was kind of like an issue with the actors having like some disagreements with one another. I mean, look, they're kids.
00:28:10
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So yeah they're good at their good actors and their good child actors but that's the thing their children so that was one of the theories that I saw I'm not sure what happened.
00:28:23
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But I tried because I had food poisoning when I first started watching it. So I thought that had to factor into it. And I was taking medication for the horrible pain I was feeling. So I thought maybe I wasn't. But I went back and I watched the first couple episodes where I was suffering the most. And no.
00:28:52
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I just, this story went in the direction that I can explain. I thought it was really, really, really weak and felt.
00:29:03
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I don't know, it just left me wanting. So that's just how I felt. And the community at large has criticized season three. I hope it rebounds. But for me, right now, Stranger Things is going in a really, really, really bad direction.
00:29:23
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You know, I mean, I don't think season three was as good as one and two, but I still enjoyed season three. I read recently that the Duffer brothers said that season four will not be the final season or at least they have plans to continue, but I can't imagine it going past five seasons.
00:29:40
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But, um, cause I think at some point the actors are just going to get too old, especially with this whole shutdown and everything. And they haven't finished, uh, this season, they're just going to get too old. And then you're just going to have like, um, I'm in their mid twenties still, still going on adventures and stuff like that. And maybe it'll be something like the thing where, you know, like the kids grow up and they, um, start coming back together. What?
00:30:08
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Do you mean it? Yeah, not the thing. Sorry. Yeah, not the thing. Like the characters getting together like in their like later years and like their late 20s or something coming back because they found out the darkness return the Hawkins Indiana.
00:30:25
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Yeah, but I would like, they would have to be a break where they come. I think you would, I think you should finish it with season four and then wait a few years for them to get to their mid twenties, you know, instead of just doing it again, because I don't know.
00:30:41
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I mean, we've, we've already done a cast on Stranger Things. I've already raised my opinion pretty vocally, um, on that cast. So, you know, if you want, you can listen to that cast and you'll see what, you know, we were talking about in a little bit more detail, but that again, that's how I felt. And that has been sort of like,
00:31:02
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the theme if you go online and read the opinions of others, a lot of fans were really disappointed in Season 3. So I mean, that's just a fact. Whether or not you like it or not is totally subjective, but that's what it is. So anyway, moving along. True Detective Season 2. I really thought there was not going to be a Season 3 of True Detective.
True Detective's Second Season Letdown
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But yeah, one and three were good. I mean, one's clearly the best out of all of them. And I just like to forget the two even happened, like, even though I liked Vince Vaughn and Colin Farrell, so. Yeah, you know, I like Colin Farrell, and I thought that they had a pretty strong cast.
00:31:55
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Yeah, it was a couple of years in between, but the True Detective is kind of the same way American Horror Story was set up where each season is different.
00:32:00
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It's just the story was awful and they tried to make it very complicated and I gotta tell you, after watching, I watched it three times the second season and even after the third watch.
00:32:16
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even after the third well look when i first saw it i thought it was actually pretty good now i had recently been injured at that point and i was kind of taking a lot of drugs so like i think that that put had like a lot of um
00:32:33
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Like bearing on how I felt about it I think I was really fucked up when I was watching it and I think I you know Just like something that wasn't there because when I went back and watched it. I was like what the fuck
00:32:48
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fuck was this is awful and then I watched it a third time with my girlfriend who had never seen any of the tree detectives before we started with that one no we watched season one okay he wanted to see season two I was like we should skip season two because season three had just finished at that point
00:33:10
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And she was like, no, I want to see it. It can't be as bad as you're saying it. So I'm like, oh, baby, it is. And we watched it and she was like, I have no idea. I was like, I was like, that was my third time watching this season. I still can't tell you, like, what the fuck happened to me. I was like, just a fucking horror show. Like, I don't know what the writers were thinking. Like, I.
00:33:37
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But like it's safe to say that nobody was on the same page with that so you know this we should say I mean this is in the middle of the series there's been three seasons.
00:33:50
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But since it's an anthology series, I think it would count as a disappointing season. Yeah. Well, I'm saying that, like, you know, I see season two is, you know, because it's like American Horror Story, you have to look at it by the season since the format might be the same, but like the stories are totally different. The cast is totally different.
00:34:16
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So you look at it by the season like a lot of people have recently been petitioning IMDB for when they list their series, when they have like the reviews and ratings for television series, it should come up by season.
00:34:35
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so if a show has like eight seasons the show wouldn't just have one general review rating it would be rated individually by seasons so yeah i thought that would be good yeah i would really like that
00:34:49
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I would like that too. The fans on the site really want that. I think that would be a great thing that they do like so that way if a season sucks like you'll see it go from like an 8.7 to like a 5.1 and then back up you know what I mean like yeah people would
00:35:10
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but hopefully they will implement something like that. But yeah, that would really be good because like you look at a show like True Detective and like you, if you had only seen season one, you'd only seen season three, you'd be like, this was great. Like why did the show take such a huge hit? And like review, you know what I mean? And that would explain it. So.
00:35:34
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You know, I don't know. But moving on, demand in the high castle, we have
The Man in the High Castle's Narrative Decline
00:35:40
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a... Yeah, we talked about that already, so we don't really need to cover that. Great, very solid first three seasons. I absolutely was totally addicted to the show. Season four just completely fell apart. Don't take our word for it, listen to the other cast, go online.
00:36:01
Speaker
We'll see the masses agree. Season four was just a fucking mess. I'm not sure what happened. Several actors apparently weren't able to come back. One got killed off immediately. You never see his face. One just kind of
00:36:18
Speaker
They just pretend he never existed. So, you know, there is obviously there was something going on behind the scenes there. I'm not sure what it is, but it was bad. So, yeah, man, high castle. Very disappointing. Then I had the show counterpart. Now, counterpart, I thought had a good.
00:36:39
Speaker
Yeah season one and two are both good. The issue I had was that the writers had come out after the end of season two and said they had already written and completed season three. There was supposed to be a season three where everything was going to kind of either get resolved or you know get real bleak but like at the end of season two they had showed that the virus had got in you know released in the
00:37:08
Speaker
other world the other dimension and I was really looking forward to like what was going to happen in the third season like is it going to be like real chaotic are they gonna yeah but I don't understand why uh it's on your list if it wasn't a disappointing because it's incomplete because the writer said that they thought they had an agreement with the network that there was going to be a third season so they tried shop uh
00:37:36
Speaker
to shop the show around to like Netflix and stuff like that. And apparently the only reason that it did not get picked up was that there was a dispute between like either Amazon, Netflix, whoever had sort of said, oh, we'll take it over. Like stars was like, oh, we're not giving you the rights to do that right now.
00:37:58
Speaker
Well, yeah, I just don't think an incomplete series should be on the list unless the last season was bad. So that's why I wouldn't include it. Because it was incomplete, it kind of really like weakened season two to me. Like, you know, it seemed like it just leaves it on a cliffhanger that doesn't weaken the season at all, though.
00:38:18
Speaker
I thought it did I really at the at the end I was just like it kind of seemed like oh you know we really don't know where to go so we're just gonna like try to end it on this cliffhanger and then you know just say that that was the end of the show
00:38:34
Speaker
when it wasn't like you know if the writers hadn't come out and said like yeah we're gonna shop this show around like we have season three written and ready like that was supposed to be the final season it weakened the show for me so i'm saying now this is just my opinion a lot of people like you thought that it was two solid seasons and that was fine but for me i would really like to see what happened oh yeah the the disappointing
00:39:02
Speaker
Yeah, the disappointing thing is that there isn't a season three, but the two seasons we got aren't disappointing. And it's a show about a pandemic.
00:39:10
Speaker
so like it would really like do you like think about you wouldn't even have to design sets when you saw season two of that show there's no no one in the world would have thought that in like a couple years everyone was going to look like that version in the other dimension where everybody wears masks like no one would have thought that like
00:39:35
Speaker
you can just go outside and finish the shooting it and not have to like stop the streets or yeah prior to the pandemic season three would not have even been possible if you were going to shoot in a place like new york city
00:39:52
Speaker
Or would it cost too much to like shut it down? Yeah, exactly. Like you weren't like that show did not have the financial means to shoot in places like that. Now all you would need is a permit to shoot and like, you know, the material is provided. There's a global pandemic.
00:40:10
Speaker
Like I think 7% of the population like died in the one dimension because of the pandemic. Like you know what I mean? Like you could easily shoot in any major city wherever. Like you already have your set is half made right there with the real life. You don't have to pay extras or nothing.
00:40:31
Speaker
I mean I put an asterisk around this I put in parentheses it was incomplete and like that's what I didn't like and I don't know I guess that would lead into the next one because I felt the same way it was HBO during their cancel period um carnival they carnival after season two yeah that's another one uh where you know it's canceled yeah you could tell
Carnivàle's Unresolved Cancellation
00:41:00
Speaker
that, I mean, bro, Carnevale is a great show. I mean, I had good actors, except for next stall. It was very well written. And it was really cool. Like the concept was really cool. I had never seen a show like that before. It was like Twin Peaks, but a little bit more coherent and like, you know, like, like easier to follow, you know what I mean?
00:41:25
Speaker
like but like the traveling carneys like bro the set was beautiful it was great um it later became known that the uh writer who had first pitched to the network had six seasons written like he had up to season six already like
00:41:45
Speaker
But I think season three and four, he had completed and season five and six, he had like a general outline and had made notes. So like, and apparently he had, they had an agreement that there was definitely going to be a third season on the HBO, but it was when HBO and they've said, they've said this publicly before that they fucked up, uh, carnival, Rome, deadwood, HBO, simply.
00:42:14
Speaker
was pulling what sci-fi is currently pulling. They didn't understand how to manage the budget correctly. They didn't understand how they anticipate like how much cost was going to be per episode. And because of those mistakes, they were able to like kind of do what no other network ever could have done with Game of Thrones. They said that because of their early failures,
00:42:39
Speaker
with like you know the longevity of the show like it gave them the insight to be able to create something like Game of Thrones and to be able to handle production costs you know year after year for a show that filmed in multiple different regions of the world and like that had a I think their cost was pretty astronomical by the end right
00:43:04
Speaker
Oh, Game of Thrones, absolutely. Yeah, it was, they were shooting like, it was like, I think, I think it went from like 1 million for the entire first season to like 1 million an episode by the time we got to like the final season. Yeah. Yeah. Like the cost became, became a, so I'm glad that HBO learned from their mistakes.
00:43:23
Speaker
But like carnival again like counterpart I I'm saying it was disappointing not with the show itself the material. I love it was disappointing because it was an incomplete piece of work.
00:43:38
Speaker
And that to me is very disappointing. And counterpart was more my opinion. There's a lot of people, like I said, that really like to show and disagree with me here. But Carnival, like by the masses, they felt like it was terribly disappointing because like the end was not a cliffhanger. The end was a clear to be continued.
00:44:00
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? Like it starts so, you know, and then everybody's like, what the fuck? And then like a year later, and the thing is that HBO really fucked up too, because the guy had other offers from other networks that were willing to pick the show up.
00:44:19
Speaker
but HBO was like nah like we're not you know we maybe that uh maybe that now AT&T owns HBO maybe they'll bring it back I mean they've been doing some great
New Buzz: Raised by Wolves
00:44:29
Speaker
stuff. According to John Oliver, AT&T is not a good company.
00:44:32
Speaker
Well, when it comes to putting out solid shows on HBO, they are, because they've done a lot of good things recently with Lovecraft Country. And I want to start Raised by Wolves, which I'm hearing phenomenal things about as well. So yeah, I don't know. I actually have done some stuff recently. Well, I found out about that two days ago, the tags.
00:44:54
Speaker
The final two or three episodes comes out this Thursday, I believe it is, or something like that, because they've been dropping like two episodes at a time. So I plan on starting it this week, so that way by the time the final three episodes come out, I'm all called up. So we'll definitely have to talk about that once it finishes.
00:45:14
Speaker
Yeah, same thing with Lovecraft Country. We got to talk about that. So yeah, yeah, we're going to but anyway, so carnival and you know, we mentioned Game
Game of Thrones' Rushed Final Season
00:45:22
Speaker
of Thrones. So we might as well talk about that Game of Thrones is
00:45:49
Speaker
but it had one of the most, with the size of its audience, it had one of the most controversial final seasons. It's come down to, the writers have been widely criticized for being incompetent and people have hated it on the show so badly, all based on the final season. I personally did not mind the final season though.
00:45:52
Speaker
one of the most watched TV shows in history.
00:46:17
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't mind it either. Was it rushed? Absolutely. But at the same time, I think it was kind of a success just because like the writers were asked to do the impossible. Yeah. High up so many pots. Like it's like one of the one shows you can forgive for a storyline just suddenly stopping.
00:46:46
Speaker
They're just simply, I mean, if there's any show that should be lingering around like fucking Walking Dead, you could easily make 20 to 25 seasons
00:47:00
Speaker
A lot of the problems with people hating the last season also is because the two Dans or DB Weiss and Benioff were both criticized because they were given by HBO as much time as they need it and they said they can finish it in a certain amount.
00:47:21
Speaker
They were already signing on to do other projects with Netflix, I think, and even Star Wars, which I've heard they recently got bumped from Star Wars, so they might not even be making whatever they had planned to do that.
00:47:36
Speaker
I think that was a lot of the criticism as well that HBO was allowing them to have this all this extra time and they decided, oh, we can finish it in this amount of time. We only need, we only need two more seasons with so many episodes. And like, I think that's what they got criticized a lot for. They kind of learn from their past mistakes and that's how they were able to do that. And like you said, they were given
00:47:59
Speaker
It wasn't like, you know, they were like told like, you need to rush the fuck out of this. Like, you know, they were like, as much time as you need. Yeah. Yeah. We want the final product to be something that, you know, really rocks people's minds. And it was not, it was not mind rocking.
00:48:16
Speaker
Yeah, I think visually, I think it looked I think the final season is phenomenal. Yeah, but yeah, the stories were kind of a little rushed a little bit. But yeah, I think that material if he had finished the books, then they and then they were able to do I think would have been a lot better because there were some storylines that I wish I wish they had, you know, kind of gotten into more, but they were kind of like, I don't know what else to do. We can take we can only take so many notes and go so far with it. So
00:48:44
Speaker
I mean, there were a lot of characters that people were they were unhappy about the show because there were a lot of characters that never that were huge characters in the books that never made any appearance in the show.
00:48:57
Speaker
Yeah, I think I think a lot of that was because they didn't know where they were going to go. Yeah, like Lady Stark. She's yeah. The Brotherhood Without Banners, they actually revive her. Like, yeah, I can't remember what her name was. It's like, was it Lady Stoneheart? I think it was Stoneheart. Yeah. Like, you know, like characters that like and characters also that were like killed off in the show.
00:49:22
Speaker
early actually were not killed off in the book so i mean you know but after season five of game of thrones you could really tell when george rr martin's writing ended and hbo's began yeah and he was just kind of giving them like these little bit of notes like i think if they had a fuller
00:49:42
Speaker
picture of where he was going with everything they might not have like you know not have included some some characters they would have been like okay this is where you're going like i understand you have to cut some things out and combine some characters but like yeah i i thought hopefully he finished those books like i don't think before he dies so i don't know yeah
00:50:02
Speaker
Well, he's taken huge breaks because he's right now like Hideki Marisaki, the guy that made all the Dark Souls video game. They have a new game coming out called Elden Ring and George RR Martin wrote the whole story for Elden Ring. So like while he's supposed to be doing that, like he decided to take a break and make a video game.
00:50:25
Speaker
Well, he's also gone back and like he's wrote in the Blood and Fire, the prequel books that's just about the Targaryen. So I mean, which they're making the, which they're basing the new Game of Thrones series on, which I'm definitely interested in because it's like a prequel season. So like, I'll still watch it. Like, yeah. Yeah. Like, as long as like you, you're going to release stuff where there's a finished body of work and like, I'm completely on board with that.
00:50:53
Speaker
So when he signed away his life to HBO, do you think he did it in like some ritualistic way, like in his own blood, like from Game of Thrones?
00:51:04
Speaker
I don't know because he definitely gave them a lot of liberty with liberties and what they wrote up. I mean I don't want to get into it like Daenerys was never supposed to be fireproof by the way. And you know but Game of Thrones I mentioned because it was
00:51:30
Speaker
Why the week for this is very, very, very disappointing finish. I again, just want to say, I thought it was a great accomplishment. Like, you know, you were never going to please those people. Um, but you know, that's, it was fine for, it was fun for what it was. It could have been better. Absolutely. But anyway, moving on. What else do you get? Um, let's see. Um, I mean, I have, I have on here the killing.
00:52:00
Speaker
Are you familiar with the killing? Yeah, I don't really remember the last season that well, so I can't really comment on it, but I think it helped. That helps, that helps, that helps. Based on the Dana show, I'm not even going to try to say this, because I know people from Denmark that have tried to pronounce the show, and they've, like, laughed at my face. They're, like, just stopped. Yeah.
00:52:29
Speaker
I know I know I know you're talking about yeah, I like said like four by delts and they're like just like what the fuck are you talking about? But let's just say the Danish killing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think it translates to the crime in Danish. Anyway, um, great first two seasons. You know, I mean, it was like, good detective, like horror drama. Like, you know, I mean, I mean, it was
00:52:58
Speaker
I thought it was a fucking scary show. But yeah, it was still like that detective noir kind of feel to it. I really liked the characters. Season three, it just should never, ever, ever have happened. I mean, I remember the performances being good. I just don't really remember the story being that great story was appalling.
00:53:24
Speaker
it was not written with, I mean, I think the final season went from 12 episodes to only six episodes. Yeah, it was only like maybe seven, I think it was only six, but the end of season two kind of left things where like, I don't know, the end of season two I thought was a little bit awkward,
00:53:55
Speaker
And sort of unrealistic based on the other story. But anyway, it did happen. I would rather them just don't like, look, we may have painted ourselves into a corner here. We have a good solid tooth tooth to fucking seasons.
00:54:17
Speaker
We're just going to end down this little cliffhanger here. I'm not a big fan of cliffhangers. I know you like, you know, respect them a bit more. That would have been fine for me. Like the third season, like, Oh,
00:54:31
Speaker
Yeah I'd rather have a cliffhanger than a disappointing final like an entire disappointing final season like it's okay if the final episode is disappointing but like an entire final season being disappointing after like a good cliffhanger is is upsetting. And I know they tried to go with the Danish show because the Danish show I believe did and like
00:54:56
Speaker
the Danish show's second season I think was equivalent to the killings third season and the second season of the Danish show kind of goes into a totally opposite direction from the first season you know. Did they try to follow the same story as the Danish show or did they kind of do their own thing after the first season?
00:55:21
Speaker
really sure that they were following the same type of format. I'll say one thing, the Danish grieve a lot better than Americans do. Um, just, you know, based on what happens, but yeah, I'm pretty sure in the killing season three, they get into like a military academy. And I'm pretty sure in season two of the Danish show, it's the same detective, but it kind of goes on to like, she's on another,
00:55:51
Speaker
you know crime she's on another like mystery that she has dissolved that involved the military so I'm pretty sure the shows were supposed to be going in the same direction like solid basis on one another by season but um the killing really really really got it wrong in catastrophic fashion it just the writing was incompetent the finale was
00:56:21
Speaker
It like makes me queasy to even think about it, right? It was that fucking bad like, you know, I think I think Holden and I can't remember what the other name was holder holder was it I was holding. Yeah, it was holding. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and yeah, I
00:56:43
Speaker
They I think fall in love at the end of season three. I think that's what Yeah, bro, like they embrace like it was like we're getting together and like That would have made some sense if there was some romantic chemistry But that's one of the things I like the most about the killing and this is where they kind of break off
00:57:11
Speaker
In a show, there's no sexual chemistry between the two detectives. In the killing, there's no sexual chemistry between the two detectives. So it would not make sense for them to suddenly, in the last 15 minutes of the final episode, to develop romantic feelings on the fly.
00:57:41
Speaker
that's what i saw in the finale and the season was already terrible that just made me like i don't know afterwards i was just like walking around town like looking for dogs to kick i really fucking hated it
00:57:59
Speaker
uh it was very very disappointing um i don't know i did not really do my research online i'm not sure if this was one of the seasons that i would say like that the masses hate it but i have to believe that other fans of the show saw that season and were like what the fuck so i'm going to base it on my opinion that people hated it that's that's all
00:58:27
Speaker
I already mentioned Penny Dreadful. I would say another thing that people really disliked. I stopped watching after the first episode was Altered Carbon Season 2. Yeah, the second season wasn't good. The second season does not have Kenman.
00:58:47
Speaker
Uh, you know, I know, I know the first season did, you know, he was, it was all kind of based around him. And the second season, like what I saw, what I was reading on Reddit that a lot of fans were saying was that, um, the show basically abandoned the concept of the first season.
00:59:12
Speaker
No, not at all because it uh because the concept was I was gonna say I didn't feel that yeah And uh, it was just anthony mackie Playing the same character received and it brought back the uh, the original Guy as well and he is more prominent role in the second season too I think that show did get a little bit better after the the first episode because I watched the first episode too and I was like what the fuck but then uh
00:59:38
Speaker
I did think it got a little bit better, but it wasn't nearly as good as the first season. Netflix canceled that by the way, so there will be no third season. It got an animated prequel, or I think it was either a prequel to the first one.
00:59:54
Speaker
I believe or takes place after the first one. I'm not really sure. I haven't seen it, but I've heard good things about the the animated. Yeah, I don't know. Like I was I was I was confused as to what they meant. Like if you like the first season, one of the Heathers I read that a lot of people had repost it was if you like the first season, don't watch the second season. It abandons the concept of the show. I didn't understand what that meant because I thought it
01:00:23
Speaker
like you just described it like i thought that's what it was but after watching the first episode i did see that like the story went in a direction that was very alien to me um based on what i saw in the first season and i was just like wow and i just was like let me see if like maybe i'm just in a bad mood or something like so i went online saw what other people were saying and
01:00:53
Speaker
after reading pages and pages and pages of like people hating on the show, I was just like, I'm going to take this one person's advice who said, if you love the first season, stop. And I took their advice. So I don't know if that makes, you know, maybe that makes me a bad person. I should have liked for my own opinions. What I saw in the first hour of the second season was enough to get like,
01:01:19
Speaker
Yeah, they definitely explain what goes on in the first episode. I did think the first episode was a little disappointing. And overall, the second season wasn't as good as the first season. So you're probably OK with stopping. But it was fine. And I would still watch a third season, that's for sure. But yeah, we're not getting one. Whenever you say something like that that goes against Poppy or opinion,
01:01:50
Speaker
a parenthesis should always pop up above your head. Yeah. You like parentheses. I liked it. Chapter two more than I liked it. Chapter one or like, I never said that. I never said that. I never said I liked two better than one. No way did I say that. I believe you did. I think I have that support me on that.
01:02:13
Speaker
I think if you go back and listen to the cast that we did on it, I did not say two is better than one. I said I'd like to, but I did not say it was better than one.
01:02:30
Speaker
I think you're full of lies there. How about if it just pops up like in a capsule and asterisk when, like, says Doc, he liked it chapter two. How about this one? Yeah, that's fine.
01:02:46
Speaker
So anyway, but, so ultra carbon. Dark parenthesis, he enjoys things because he's high. Doesn't think too deep about it. Yeah, I guess. But yeah, I'm pretty much getting to the end here.
01:03:04
Speaker
The other one I had that, again, this was something I got a few episodes in on. I would say I got halfway through the second season and was just like, what the fuck? Because I like the first season too much. Star show called American Gods.
01:03:25
Speaker
oh yeah i never watched the second season because you told me not to so i was like okay first season was good enough you were like the second season took such a weird direction that you didn't know what the fuck nothing happened nothing happened i think a lot of it just took place in a funeral home
01:03:48
Speaker
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that got cancelled too. It got cancelled pretty much immediately after the second season came to a conclusion. Yeah, there are people that were very... I'm not sure what the show was based on, but I don't know if it was a comic. It's based on a comic, yeah. But I don't know if they went off more of the comic or not.
01:04:12
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. But like the first season people held, they were like, oh, great adaptation of this and that. And I didn't know what it was. I didn't know what they were talking about. Like what it was adapted from. But I really liked the first season. I was like, wow, this shit is pretty fucking unique. Like I haven't seen a show like this. Like, you know, I thought it was a great pitch and.
01:04:41
Speaker
I don't know what the fuck happened with season two because they had it's not like they had to like cut actors everybody came back but it was awful like I don't know I think they brought in one of the Wayne's brothers and I don't know if he was supposed to be a
01:05:03
Speaker
I don't know what the fuck, but yeah, they tried to make it a comedy and then it became a racial issue. It just did not completely depart it from the first season to the point where it was almost a totally different show. I do not understand what they were thinking. I have no idea what direction they were trying to go.
01:05:31
Speaker
going, but dug themselves into their grave because it got canceled. Thank God. If you do watch American gods, if you've seen the first season, I cannot tell you more. I implore you. Do not watch the second season. It does not. You will not like it. I can't say anyone that watched the first season and then watched the second season is like, Oh, I really like what they did. Nah, it was.
01:06:00
Speaker
really disappointing, really disappointing. Yeah, I'll have to look into see how other people felt about it. Like, but I don't, I don't really plan on watching it. So yes. From what I've heard. So totally watch the first season, check it out. Like, Oh yeah. I love the first season. Yeah. Really cool. But my God, I don't, yeah.
01:06:17
Speaker
like I know I'm like a broken record over here but like it was it was just that bad um and speaking of bad this we're getting to the end now um I stopped watching this show because it got just beyond terrible like I used to
01:06:42
Speaker
know, the women in the show are really beautiful. And like, you know, best keep watching it. But like that excuse just got old. And you know, people were laughing at me for watching the show. And that of course is true blood. Yeah, it's bad. I got all the way to the
01:07:00
Speaker
And then I got like an episode or two into the final season and I was like, yeah, this, I was like, this is just fucking terrible. And I've heard other people say that's the last season. They brought werewolves in the last season. I think it was like, she's first.
01:07:19
Speaker
first like three or I don't remember how many seasons it went but I want to say the first three or four I thought were really good but then when they started to get into the whole fairies and stuff like that I thought that's when it took a real dive so I think that might have been like five or six or six or seven I don't remember how long it went but I watched like
01:07:41
Speaker
Psychologists say that like sometimes when you experience like a traumatic event, your brain like, sort of shuts down and tries to like, suppress such memories that were so traumatic to you. And so I kind of forget seeing fairies. So I'm thinking like, you probably didn't get that far. I maybe didn't get that far. Like, my brain is just like trying to block that out to defend itself against what it saw. Yeah.
01:08:11
Speaker
Yeah, I got like one or two episodes in the final series and I stopped and like somebody was like, uh, somebody was like, Oh, you should finish it, but it's terrible. And I was like, why would I? Does he? I don't remember, man. Howard. I heard Rucker. Howard came into the show and I was thinking like, Oh man, I do like Rucker. Howard, you know, especially now he's unavailable.
01:08:37
Speaker
Um, and, uh, yeah, but that wasn't enough to get me back. Like, I mean, after I only really liked the first, maybe the first, maybe the second season too. I can't remember. I think I liked the first two seasons.
01:08:54
Speaker
And then on the third season, I was like, all right, you know, I really don't like where the show's going, but I'm going to stay in it because like I'm so into these girls. Like, you know, I mean, like just these really beautiful girls. That's enough for me. And like, I think like halfway through the third season, I was like, dude, nah, man. There is just nothing that they can give me. I mean, it like.
01:09:22
Speaker
Soft core vampire porn. All right. You know, there is some value in that, but like it just got awful. Like maybe if they just like started making it like actual porn that might've had like a better use, but it was just goddamn man.
01:09:39
Speaker
Yeah, the story turns the ads on the website angry fans.com, which I think is that is in the top 10. I think it might be number one.
01:09:56
Speaker
on like the most disappointing like you're so mad about things that you have to start a website to like talk about how you are instead of just like you know letting it go and moving on with your life and watching something else you go and start a whole website to talk about how mad you are like get a fucking life like Christ
01:10:18
Speaker
I think that's why I'm not as mad about a lot of things as everyone else's because I'm just like, eh, it happened and I move on and I watched something else. Like I said, you know what I mean? If somebody was traumatized based on the material they saw and speak their displeasure like I'm doing right now, the whole cast is, you know, us hating on the shit. Like, you know, if that's what they felt they had to do, like, you know what I mean? Like,
01:10:48
Speaker
fucking I don't know I don't know the website I I'm glad it exists because I think it's pissed but yeah I mean I don't know I don't know like about like other film or a television series that they reviewed I don't know like what the format I don't know if the guys like got stuff to like
01:11:19
Speaker
I don't know if it's something like well researched like that or if it's just like.
01:11:26
Speaker
a few people like ranting and raving or if it's a show that just takes polls that people can go yeah maybe or it's just you know kind of takes all the news and critics uh reviews and stuff like that maybe exactly it could do something like that so i don't want to hate on a website that i just found out existed
01:11:45
Speaker
Oh, I think it's funny that exists. Yeah, so I'm not going to go on them. I mean, yeah, it could just be a bunch of fucking like vegan pussies fucking bitching about shit like a bunch of incels. Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:59
Speaker
I don't, I don't know. Nothing better to do with their time. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we might be talking shit on a lot of seasons that end poorly, but at the same time, I barely remember a lot of the end of these series, because I've moved on afterwards. Like, I was just like, well, that was disappointing, and then I moved on and watched the film. Some people don't forget, man. Some people don't forget, you know? I mean, I'll never forget Dexter becoming a lumberjack, that's for sure.
01:12:28
Speaker
I don't remember the rest of that season, but that'll stick out all the time.
01:12:35
Speaker
I mean, I do, I remember Rucker Howard as a vampire in Salem's Lot, which is a mini series they did. They made a couple of bad movies and then they did a mini series featuring Rob Lowe. And I don't know, Rucker Howard seems like he's a natural vampire kind of like, I don't know. I feel like I've seen, I think Rucker Howard played a vampire in it.
01:13:00
Speaker
Few other things not just say on the slot and not true blood. I think he was I feel like there was something else but I care Something else where yeah, like I don't know either way Look, I didn't finish it. I don't want to talk about it. But like, you know, it fits the topic of series that had some of the
01:13:24
Speaker
like highest amount of criticism based on yeah i definitely couldn't tell you uh anything that happened in that final season besides like there were like fairies involved that i think in the season before that and i got like a couple episodes into it and i was just like yeah i'm out so
01:13:42
Speaker
Yeah and that's like that's one of the very few times like most the time even if it's a even if I don't like it I'll still at least finish the series and that's one of the few times that like I was like no I can't do it anymore and I had to stop like yeah when you start searching for reasons in your mind of why you should keep watching something you should probably stop watching it and like do something more productive with your time
01:14:09
Speaker
Yeah, if you're like why am I still watching this to the point where you're actively going through things? Like I'm just like well, you know, like I know I sound like a douchebag, but you know the chicks are really fucking hot so Yeah, that's not a good excuse doing that like you need like you need to do something else with your time Like, you know, I mean like gather girlfriend or something like that Long times
01:14:37
Speaker
A lot of times I finish shows is because I'm like such a completist that like I like once I start watching I am I feel like I'm urged to finish it and then I can like I can stop watching a show once I finished a season but it's very rare that I'll stop watching something like like three episodes well normally I'll give like a first season I'll give it at least three episodes I've stopped there before but when I'm like five six seasons deep on something I knew normally we'll have to see it out
01:15:06
Speaker
like so I agree I'm pretty much the same way but um it's definitely rare I think that's the only series that I can even think of where I stopped on the final season too and I knew it was the final season and I just couldn't do anything where that's definitely never happened before so
01:15:24
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, look, the show is always eccentric. Like, you know, it was very odd. It's not like, you know, your typical, like, I don't know, what is that terrible vampire fucking show? The movie that they made the series or it was like three parts of vampires. And what the fuck was that called? The vampire show with, you know, chode boy with the pale face, Kristen Stewart.
01:15:52
Speaker
Twilight. Oh, Twilight? Yeah. Yeah. They didn't make that into a show. No, they didn't make it into a show, but there was like, it was like a three-part series, wasn't it? It was a trilogy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then the final movie was like two, uh, the final one was like two movies. So it was like four movies. I thought that was like, you know, kind of like horseshit crap, but like I thought from what I saw of that.
01:16:18
Speaker
I thought that was much better than True Blood. Oh, I don't know what I saw, which was like maybe the first five minutes and then a bunch of clips. Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree. But I mean, a lot of people, I mean, a lot of people like Twilight at the time that really liked it. So I sort of had to at least, you know, experience it. And I'm not saying that I'm a fan of Twilight or the books or whatever the fuck.
01:16:48
Speaker
But it was better writing than True Blood, especially in the later seasons. Well, I know True Blood was based on books as well, and I've heard they were pretty good and pretty popular, and that's why I got a series. But yeah, I don't know if it passed books or anything or what. The intro was the best. Oh, yeah. That is one thing that will hook me, is an intro. The song was good, the introduction.
01:17:18
Speaker
but that's the only thing. This past season of American Horror Story 84, I thought I had a really good, I think all their intros are actually usually better than the show because each intro is different, but it kind of has the same like, you know, uh, song, but just a little like different tweak on it. And I thought this past, uh, one was really well done too. But yeah, that, that whole series is like the, it's like the intro is almost better than the entire season. But, uh, but well, the,
01:17:47
Speaker
only other thing i really have left and you know i sort of debate whether or not i want to mention this is the x-files oh that definitely has to be mentioned well i think the last two because since the since the revival i would say those seasons have been pretty disappointing overall and i didn't see the revival i haven't seen i'm talking about like the original show they
The X-Files' Decline and Revival Disappointment
01:18:16
Speaker
The only thing I could say and it's sort of like one of the things I mentioned to you about like my trepidation of putting this on the list and that was that I felt like the X-Files like the later seasons were already going in a bad direction and I thought they came to a natural conclusion of just being terrible.
01:18:40
Speaker
Like, you know, you put a frog in boiling water and it won't like, you know, do anything. Or, you know, you put a frog in a, what is this saying? You put a frog in boiling water, it'll jump out. You put a frog in cold water and like heat it gradually. It'll just stay there until it like boils to death. Yeah, I don't know if it's actually true, but yeah, they say if you put a frog in boiling water, I'll jump out.
01:19:06
Speaker
If you put a frog in room temperature weather and slowly heat that weather over time, the frog will just stay in there and eventually boil to death. I have no idea if that's true. But it is the same. And that's sort of how I felt about the X-Files. It started off good.
01:19:27
Speaker
pretty consistent seasons, like, you know, it was different season episode to episode. There was a lot of filler in there, but, you know, they would always kind of like what Fringe did.
01:19:38
Speaker
where the first few seasons would be on topic and show a consistent story, then a bunch of filler episodes in the middle, and then they would end with the consistency of the story. Even the filler episodes, I really liked the monsters with the X-Files, and at the same time, I liked the overall plot. You can go back. I know there's forums and stuff online where you can find which episodes just cover
01:20:08
Speaker
The overall story and you can watch just those episodes as one as one arc if you want it to but then at the same time But at the same time you can like the watching the trust the filler episodes Just here and there is also perfectly done as well because the monster weekups is really good You know, I think it kind of fell off once to covenant left even though they brought in Robert Patrick, you know the t1000 and
01:20:37
Speaker
It definitely fell off those seasons but there were still some good episodes in there. Did Robert Patrick come in while the Coveney was still there right as the Coveney was leaving? I think he might have been in an episode or two with him but then to Coveney comes back with Robert Patrick still there I know that much.
01:21:03
Speaker
Then they did the first movie, which I thought was good, which I enjoyed anyway. It was kind of a standalone episode, but it was like a long movie that was sort of tied into some of the series, but not as much. But then I didn't like that second movie at all. I didn't see the second movie. I was really just talking about the show, but my point was,
01:21:34
Speaker
Is that I felt that I felt like the x-files like You know, they were obviously running out of material. They did everything from the aliens to the new jersey devil, which was Great. I mean the first episode wasn't it? Was it wasn't the first episode with the jersey devil? The first episode what? Yeah, no, it was not about the new jersey devil
01:22:03
Speaker
I forget which episode it was, but I remember being like the first season though. I don't, I guess it's possible. I thought I remember the X-Files first season and pretty much only being about aliens. And I thought that's where it was going to go. Oh, I didn't think they brought in aliens. That was like, that's immediately what attracted me to the X-Files. Like it was like, you know, these two. It was season one, episode five. I just looked at it.
01:22:32
Speaker
Yeah the first season anyway is ridiculous because i live in new jersey devil territory like you know i like go out and fucking put the garbage out in the middle of the night and he's there so i know what it looks like.
01:22:49
Speaker
It was in the Pine Barrens. They didn't film it in the Pine Barrens. They said they were filming it in Atlantic City. They were filming that shit in Canada. People that fucking, like, they couldn't even get, like, how could they not, I don't know. I just ran around. That episode pissed me off, I guess, because I live in the Pines now. And, like, when I see that episode, it's just so re- they're like,
01:23:12
Speaker
Yeah, we're in the suburbs of Atlantic City. They're in fucking the Canadian wilderness, and there's not a pine tree around. It looks more like Washington State, where Benicio de Toro was doing his shit from The Hunted. It's been like deep forestry. Jersey Devil territory is pines. I didn't see a single pine tree in that whole thing, and they're in the woods going for the devil to hold it. Really pissed me off, obviously.
01:23:42
Speaker
I like that episode but that's only because it I liked it only because it was talked about the crazy devil not necessarily like where they were filming at but my point was you could tell that they were they had run out of material after you know the show had been on for so long and it it was just season after season of like bad writing and bad ideas and I guess my analogy to the frog was like
01:24:10
Speaker
I had just saw that it was getting this bad and it seemed like all right we're going in this direction which is really bad shit and we're just going to keep doing this for a prolonged period of time until it just sort of ends. Yeah and then they brought it back and they and everyone was excited because it was a scully molder back and then I don't know they
01:24:34
Speaker
just where they went with it. She was really disappointing. I think the company had just like gotten that rehab or something like that.
01:24:41
Speaker
He just got off of Californication. He was really good in Californication. I think he went to rehab for sex addiction or something. I think he went for drugs and stuff like that too. But I do think he got treatment for his sex addiction.
01:25:07
Speaker
I don't want to delve into too much. I guess I was trying to explain why things weren't working out well, but like, hey, men's personal life is a man's personal life, as long as it doesn't make his professional life suffer. Oh, I don't think it was because of Duchovny or Gillian Anderson. I think it was because of the writing. Writing wasn't fair. They ran out of ideas.
01:25:33
Speaker
That's kind of how I feel the way Supernatural has gone. I mean, we still get the final seven episodes coming soon. But the first, I mean, this show has lasted way too long too. I think they're on like fucking season 15 for all I know.
01:25:49
Speaker
I've lost count at this point. But I think the first five episodes, the first five seasons, sorry, were really solid. And then now the Monster of the Week episodes are still pretty good. So that's the only reason why I've kind of continued because like here and there will be some really good episodes and the Monster of the Week episodes have been
Supernatural's Weak Later Seasons
01:26:06
Speaker
good. But the kind of the overall story I think has kind of been really weak for the past like fucking 10 seasons, I would say.
01:26:14
Speaker
Wherever many they're they're up to now, but I'm still gonna look like I'm still invested. I'm still gonna watch the final episode So maybe if it ends well, we'll see I don't know It'll definitely be one to talk a little bit you hear a lot about Cancel culture and shit like that nowadays. Um, but like I don't know maybe See, this is what I wonder we talked about counterpart and I said I thought it was disappointing because it was an incomplete work, but like I
01:26:44
Speaker
I don't know. Maybe if it was a situation where the third season was going to suck and other people, like if they were allowed to fairly shop their ideas out and like the people they pitched to was just like, yeah, this sucks. Maybe it's a good thing. There wasn't a third season. I don't know. Yeah. If that was the case, if that was the case, I mean, I would say the same thing about carnival. I'd rather have two solid seasons then.
01:27:10
Speaker
like two solid scenes is four, four, six shitty seasons. Yeah, exactly. But I mean, I don't know. I guess my point is, it's a little hard to justify when you find out that the material had already been written and under the assumption that they were going to get another season, like with carnival, like HBO had already like agreed to it. And then they kind of at the very end were like, Oh, by the way,
01:27:38
Speaker
Like funding just isn't working out for the sorry, there's not going to be anything there. And it goes into a legal dispute. I mean, that's like when there's a legal dispute, that is like obviously, you know, something you have to sort of factor in when you talk about a show is when. Yeah, like you also have to consider like viewership numbers as well. Yeah.
01:28:01
Speaker
so when like that that when the viewership numbers aren't there even if the show's really good that sometimes things get cancelled i'd almost rather have like in the last 20 years because that was 2005 and they were talking about like how ratings have evolved and stuff like that and yeah they've definitely changed since then yeah yeah but then it was a lot of people watching it as it aired live so now
01:28:26
Speaker
It's like people watch it whenever they want. So it's like it's a little harder to like take in consideration what you have to against live live viewership numbers and then all and then That's why I think that's why a lot of shows get picked like might get cancelled by one service will get picked up by another one because they'll be like Oh, well, this shows really popular
01:28:52
Speaker
It's just not popular as we drop it. It gets popular like the later on. So maybe we'll pick it up and see how it goes. At least let at least let it finish. I like it. Yeah, I mean, it's just it's just so good at that. Yeah. At the same time, as much as I'd rather have two really good seasons and that be it, then then two good seasons and four shitty seasons at the same time, I almost at least let the writers have a complete story.
01:29:21
Speaker
and put it out there good or bad at the same time, just because like, all right, well, this is what you had. You had the chance to make six good seasons, but you made two good ones and four shitty ones. And now we're just kind of speculate on whether they actually had good, another good four seasons or not. So.
01:29:38
Speaker
Yeah I kind of like it if like when like if they made some kind of wall where like going in like one company couldn't like completely hold a monopoly on the rights to something indefinitely you know I mean so if like for some reason things were to break down one network
01:29:57
Speaker
like that network could cancel it, but like they would have to allow freedom for that show to then be moved on and possibly be picked up by one of their competitors, you know. They should have like a release clause like in like in football. Yes, exactly. If you match this number. And you say like, look, we're entering an agreement for this amount of episodes, like blah, blah, blah, like this is this, this is this. If
01:30:23
Speaker
Like at which time you do not want to renew that is your prerogative But we want to have the freedom to take our idea to someone else to continue on with our vision
01:30:36
Speaker
I don't know if you cancel it or if you cancel it before I agreed upon number and I should be allowed to shop it out elsewhere as well. Exactly. That's what it is. You know what I mean? Intellectual property. I do not like the way the laws are set up, but hey, that is what it is. But anyway, that's.
01:30:55
Speaker
Pretty much about it, I'm sure I could go on about some other things that I have not liked, like a whiny little bitch, but I would say the ones we discussed tonight are pretty much the big ones.
Recommendation: What We Do in the Shadows
01:31:09
Speaker
Tried to keep it as close to the ones, like I said, that were universally disliked, the ones that had or had the most controversy surrounding them. Sure.
01:31:19
Speaker
There's other ones that neither of us have really seen that a lot of people don't like either I can definitely recommend what we do in shadows if you haven't watched that yet. Yeah, but that's something you need to get on This is both the first and second seasons have finished. I'm currently watching the second season right now. So
01:31:43
Speaker
Well, I'm looking forward to the second season of hunting at Hill House. I know that's not what it's called. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I can't remember her name, but I think it's still based on the books of the one woman. No, this is, uh, this one's different. It's a different book. Yeah. Different based on a book from a different author altogether. Yeah. This is based on turn of the screw.
01:32:10
Speaker
Yeah, well, I'm really looking forward to that.
Seeking Distraction from Anxiety
01:32:15
Speaker
I just horror wise, in terms of like shows I've wanted to say, I'm sort of like drying up with things right now. So I'm having plenty of movies.
01:32:27
Speaker
plenty of movies like i i want to watch anne belem like tomorrow like i'm going to yeah i'm gonna watch that yeah like i and i have all this i i want to find a good show to watch because i'm going to texas on monday i've never been and i'm fucking flying at like one of the worst times so i have like all this anxiety all i want to do is like kind of lose myself in something
01:32:53
Speaker
for a few days and then you know just take a fucking ambient on the plane and just hopefully conk out and then I'll be that you know I'll be there and um I haven't been able to find a show right now to like occupy my time um well have you seen the movie what we do in shadows I have not well what you watch the movie first because the series isn't it's it's it's basically a like a um
01:33:21
Speaker
takes place in like a, it's kind of like a documentary about like these vampires living in this house together. And it's like all the different like genre vampires, but it's, it's a comedy. It's, it's by Takiti Waki. It's a comedy.
01:33:36
Speaker
And it's very funny and it's like it's in the same style as like this is spinal tap and stuff like that So if you like those types of like, uh, you know mock mockumentaries Like I really like new this colony of the dead the horror comedy musical rap That's not a mockumentary though. I'm just talking about mockumentary styles and watch watch what we doing shadows
01:34:01
Speaker
Yeah, watch what we do in shadows. And then if you like the movie, you should check out the TV series because some of the characters from the movie show up in the series. The movie takes place in New Zealand.
01:34:11
Speaker
and the show takes place in Staten Island. So it's like a different set of vampires with like the same style of like a documentary crew going in and stuff like that. And some of the characters show up later on like in like this council meeting and like they got Wesley Snipes on like a Zoom meeting because he's a half, because he plays a, he's a half vampire.
01:34:37
Speaker
And like the like oh so i'm only listening to half his opinions like it's just like that and like uh and like till the swing shows up pretty cool as long as it's not like vampires taking themselves seriously oh no it's yeah it's not seriously at all it's really fucking funny and like yeah there's a bunch of other uh
Raised by Wolves Episode Release Strategy
01:34:57
Speaker
Actors that should that have played vampires and movies and stuff like that that show up in like the council meeting it's it's it's hilarious i would definitely recommend that that is definitely that's a that's a really good idea i mean that might be my saving grace in the next couple of days because it's like i don't know just airplanes right now like really frightening.
01:35:17
Speaker
So yeah anything you know maybe I'll check out the movie if you like the movie get in and watch the series so that's definitely why I recommend and then maybe start raised by wolves or yeah I think it's still got like four weeks or something like that no no it's gonna end this week
Avoiding Binge-Watching Lovecraft Country
01:35:37
Speaker
Because they dropped they've been dropping like two or three episodes at a time So I thought it was gonna be week by week as well But they dropped the first like three and then then the following week they dropped two more and then they've just dropped two more and I think they're Dropping the next of the final three coming up. Lovecraft country still have a few more weeks because that they're only doing that
01:35:57
Speaker
Other thing too. I thought I was really considering starting it. I was just like oh man I was like the next couple days. I'm feeling very anxious. I need to lose myself and so I was like don't
Interest in Antebellum
01:36:10
Speaker
do it. Don't do it We'll definitely be talking about from you that it's really good from others and I was like dude You're gonna fucking Jones it you're gonna binge watch up to the current point and then you're gonna have nothing to do on the plane except sleep So I don't know
01:36:26
Speaker
but yeah that's definitely, that's definitely something I want to check out. I just saw a trailer for Anthony Bellum and I really want to see that one too. Yeah the trailer I watched I was like I don't know what's going on with this and I'm really into it. I don't know anything and that's the way I want to see it.
01:36:46
Speaker
So yeah, that's what I'm going to be watching in the not too distant future. All right. So maybe when you get back from your trip, we'll be able to talk about that. And if you watched what we do in shadows or anything else or raised by walls, even we'll we'll get into that when you get back. Yeah, I'll be I'll be back in less than two weeks. It's not like I'm going to be gone for that long. But, you know, yeah, we could definitely we could definitely talk about that. I just hope it doesn't suck.
01:37:14
Speaker
That's all. Well, either way, we'll have something to talk about when you get back. So enjoy your trip. And thanks. We got, we got all of our disappointment out tonight and you know, the future is looking bright, right? Yes. Yes, exactly. Anyway.
01:37:32
Speaker
Well, thank you for tuning in and, uh, we are off until, uh, I guess about two weeks and then we'll maybe talk about Antebellum and talk about what we've been on watching recently. Yes, definitely. Sounds good. All right. Cheers, man. All right. Cheers.