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Fallout
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We discuss Amazon's adaption of the hit video game series Fallout
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Introduction and Scheduling Challenges
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kevindoc81
all right welcome back to fright central i'm doc back here again as always with kec and we are going to talk about uh long overdue it was like april maybe i don't know
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Keck
Yeah, like we should really try to do one cast a month. It's just, I mean, this is just like, I mean, October's probably your busiest time of the year, because I know you have a lot of stuff you're doing, hauntings and, you know,
00:00:50
Keck
you you have the cri you i mean You have all the good shit going on in Southern California.
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kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Keck
so you know you
Sean Claude Van Dam Jokes
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Keck
You have like a lot more stuff.
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kevindoc81
are you Mostly screenings, yeah. yeah the don't know how many haunts I'll do this year because it's getting kind of expensive.
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Keck
yeah You're always talking about your haunts. like That's just like a normal thing.
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
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Keck
like you know i want to get to What was that like real shitty one you did like a few years ago that like they like fucked you over and they like blocked you on Facebook?
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kevindoc81
A venture fairgrounds thing. Yeah, that is up up by six flags.
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Keck
yeah i wonder if they improved oh really the maybe they were getting like death threats and stuff
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kevindoc81
but yeah that was that was fucking terrible I don't think they've run it again yeah I haven't seen any ads or nothing for that yeah magic mountains stepped up third game and they've got like stranger things and and stuff like that so let me try to check that off Friday because I'm all for our birthday so I'm gonna try to
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Keck
but but
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Keck
Oh yeah, our birthday, uh, I'm gonna, I'll make sure to send, uh, the email that I send to Sean Claude Van Dam's fan mail email address that he has never, ever responded back to me.
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Keck
Like dude, it's our birthday. Like, you know what I mean? I'm a big fan of you and your movies and you as a human being. He just basically told me to go fuck myself in silence. So whatever.
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kevindoc81
I should see if he's on one of those, you know, we pay celebrities to send a video to a friend.
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Keck
Oh, the the thing that like Rudy Giuliani does?
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kevindoc81
What's that called?
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
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Keck
I don't know what that's called. like god But like yeah like criminals and stuff.
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
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kevindoc81
I'll see if Van Dam will do that.
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Keck
like
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kevindoc81
That'd be dope.
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Keck
yeah yeah that would That would be kind of... he should pay us.
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kevindoc81
Yeah. Wish him a happy
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Keck
It'd be cool if we could have like a birthday episode where it was me, you and Sean called Van Damme and we were all doing it. Although, I mean, the only thing, I mean, ah ah but, oh man, we would get into such fights because the first thing I would mention is like, how did it feel to be kicked out of the Predator when you want to dress up like that
Fallout Game Impressions
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Keck
wizard and fucking do your conference? Yeah, it would be, it would be a, block but he would disconnect within five minutes, yeah.
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Keck
it wouldn't go well. Apparently he's still not over that.
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kevindoc81
and
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Keck
thou and
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kevindoc81
Oh yeah, we'd definitely bring up Predator.
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Keck
That would be like the fruit well because that was like gonna be oh man Yeah, I could we could do all cast just on like that I mean, there's like a two and a half hour documentary about that. It's fucking crazy But yeah fallout, um fallout, um before we get into like the you know bits um um I Was just wondering would you care to share your initial impression? I
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kevindoc81
Well, so someone who's never played the game, I mean, I'd started the Fallout 3 twice. The second time it was just because I forgot where I left off.
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kevindoc81
I knew I wasn't that far in. And as I was like, was exiting the vault in the second time, I went to look, I got distracted, went to look something up and then immediately saw that the Fallout 3 was getting a a ah remastered version or remake or something like that coming next year.
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Keck
I didn't see that because I know Fallout 4 just got like an optimization but I mean out of all the games Fallout 3 is my favorite and I think the only thing about Fallout 3 that's like really telling you have to find like if you get the strategy guide that things bigger than a Bible
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kevindoc81
Yeah, I think it's supposed to come out next year. but I haven't heard any of these. Yeah, so.
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
Fallout Show vs. Games
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Keck
but now with like the online interactive guides it's a lot easier to net because some of the quests are so epic and I'll tell you Fallout 3 and this was something that I guess I did not feel was as well integrated into the show and you well you'll see it in the second season because they're in mostly rural areas in the show and Fallout 3 it's incredible because you know you're in DC it's been you know that was one of the first strike areas so it's been totally in the IOA with nukes
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Keck
and just to get like if you're on like the Capitol Hill area and you want to just get like one mile it can take you like an in-game like hour to get there because there's no clear way it's all debris huge building was like fucking huge mess you'll have to like go down in the sewer and deal with fucking like radioactive rats and shit like that like you saw in the the classic thing we'll talk about in the show that one of my favorite parts and you know you just have to go and it can take you like fucking forever so if you want to really
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Keck
Experience all that fallout 3 has to offer you kind of need at least like something that a guide that gives you direction You know what I mean?
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
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Keck
And also there's like a bunch of like unique weapons where like if you don't do things like properly right away like first time try or unless you have a save you can reload you're never gonna get that weapon I missed out on the unique AK and it pissed me off the rest of my playthrough but you know at that point I was like so far into it I was just like dude I'm not like restarting the game but any rate so yeah everybody knows the story right I mean do you want to get into it
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kevindoc81
I mean, for the for the show or for the ah the the games, because like again, i had I'd never played the games, but I really enjoyed the show. But I knew some basics.
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Keck
you knew this story before seeing the show, right? Like you knew they were in vaults, you knew that there was a nuclear arm again.
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kevindoc81
Yeah, I knew about the vaults and stuff like that, because I'd been going to Wasteland Weekend, which is like a Mad Max festival on the desert.
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Keck
Did you know about Pep Boys and stuff? Like, okay, so you had the purpose.
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kevindoc81
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Because again, that's, yeah, I was introduced to a lot of the pit boys and so and stuff like that through wasteland weekend, because it's not just Mad Max, it's also a big fallout as well.
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kevindoc81
It's just, they just don't do like the Brotherhood of Steel, like Max, or really like the pit boys and stuff like that. But there are some people dressed in like, you know, they don't want the clean fallout uniforms there, because it's supposed to be the waste.
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kevindoc81
And so people waste out, you know, making 30 and put armor on.
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Keck
so So this is all these would all be people that have migrated from the vault already.
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kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah, they've already left the faults and stuff like that.
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Keck
So yeah So there's no clean. Yeah. Gotcha.
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kevindoc81
Yeah, and then there's different tribes and stuff that are like, you know, Fallout based tribes and stuff like that.
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Keck
I got it From from this event that you went to gotcha
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kevindoc81
So that that that's really cool. So I got a lot of my introduction through Wasteland that way. So yeah, yeah. And so when I watched the show, I did know some of the I didn't know some of the stories and stuff like that.
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kevindoc81
And
Fallout Show Plot and Themes
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kevindoc81
yeah I was a little confused on the timeline because I was like, when the hell does this take place?
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Keck
yeah the
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kevindoc81
like
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Keck
timeline is confusing to me too and i've i never played the first and the second fallout game because they were like for i i think they were for they were I think Fallout 2 was original Xbox and I mean Fallout 3 was the big graphical breakthrough on like Xbox 360, PlayStation 3.
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Keck
The first two were a little before like I knew much of that.
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kevindoc81
I think they were on PC like, yeah, I don't think they were like first person either.
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Keck
yeah Well, yeah, they might have been PC exclusives. You're right, they might have been.
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kevindoc81
I think they were like something else.
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Keck
I think they were RPGs. it was yeah I think they were it was a lot of decision-based.
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
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Keck
There was a lot of dialogue and stuff like that where you can select. I watched a little thing about the evolution of the games and they showed like the first one kind of looked like an arcade where the guys just like walking around.
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Keck
like final If you ever played like any of the Final Fantasy games or anything like that, the early Final Fantasy games. like for Nintendo and stuff I mean it was it's very antiquated so I started with Fallout 3 which is like what most people did and that's where the story took me so the like if there's any like uh integration from the first and second game in the show then I'm going to be ignorant to it because I just
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kevindoc81
Yeah, the so what i understand are ah from what I understand, where the show takes place, it does take place like kind of in the games, but it doesn't like you know it doesn't actually like you know it's all the same timeline-ish without contradicting anything that happens in the game.
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Keck
Yeah. And there's a lot of stories like all the factions are doing the shit that they do in the games and stuff like that. But like, this was like a unique story that they, you know, put into it.
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kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah.
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Keck
So yeah, it's not
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kevindoc81
and And it did take me till I mean, I probably caught it the first time but when I rewatch the show again, I did understand the time because it it does start out like I guess in the 50s and then it jumps ahead like 200 years is what happened.
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kevindoc81
It's basically it follows Lucy.
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Keck
i'm still I'm still confused about the timelines. that that Well, before you get into that, just real quick, you didn't answer my question.
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kevindoc81
I can I can I can I think I can explain that to you.
00:10:20
kevindoc81
What was the question? Yeah, I loved it. Yeah, I really liked it. First of all, yeah, for someone that didn't play the games, I really enjoyed it. Yeah.
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Keck
Your initial reaction, it was awesome.
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Keck
I felt the same way.
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kevindoc81
and So as someone that did play the games, you're saying you, you yeah.
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Keck
Well, yeah, well, even if I had not played the games, I think, I mean, obviously I like it a lot more because knowing the games, I just, uh, I mean, did you want to talk about the timeline or did you want to, talk a little bit about like, uh, the integration of like, what was in the game?
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Keck
I just made like a small list. I wanted to, uh, mention.
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kevindoc81
Let's go through the show real quick, and then we'll go but some of the integration from the games.
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Keck
Okay.
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Keck
yeah All right, yeah, yeah.
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kevindoc81
I mean, if you've seen it as we we come along it, you can.
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kevindoc81
But basically, yeah, yeah.
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Keck
and Because a lot of people probably haven't played the games like you know, a lot of people, you know, I'm thinking like maybe like a quarter of the audience, you know, just, you know, off top of my head, probably just ran into the show and never got into the games because a lot of people just aren't gamers.
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
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Keck
Yeah.
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kevindoc81
Uh, so it basically, uh, follows, uh, Lucy McLean. And I kept thinking of, uh, you know, John McLean from Die Hard was my first thought.
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Keck
oh yeah i did not i did not i did not pick up on that but now i'm going to think about i just kept thinking about i just kept thinking about her in yellow jackets
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kevindoc81
I was like, did they say Lucy? That's, that's, that's fucking, uh, that's, uh, John McLean's daughter.
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kevindoc81
Do you think it's spelled differently? Yeah. Yeah.
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Keck
Because I just watched Yellow Jackets and I'm like, oh man, you know, she's a real tough check. But I did just see her get eaten by cannibals.
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
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Keck
That were her friends on her football team.
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
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Keck
So it was just like, you know, she was a very fresh face.
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kevindoc81
Yeah. So, they're involved 33. Right. Is that the correct one?
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Keck
Yes.
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kevindoc81
Yeah. They're in 33.
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Keck
they're in Well, it's here because Vault 32 and Vault 33 were doing like this like integration program.
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Keck
like It's something like Vault 2.
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
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Keck
It's basically trading commodities. They were giving like a breeding partner. They're like cattle down there, basically.
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kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah.
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Keck
And they were giving them seeds.
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kevindoc81
So she's it's like, it's a basically starts out with her like a wedding day, and then they're, they find out that the people involved 32 rated their or raiders from the outside and they've come in and they start killing people and they kidnap her dad.
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kevindoc81
And she basically goes looking for her dad. And that's, that's pretty much the beginning.
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Keck
Yeah, that's the that's the starting premise.
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kevindoc81
and
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kevindoc81
I just had a couple notes from the first episode was that I thought it was funny that the guy was like, yo, hold off on Raiden this fall. I got banged this real hot chick real quick.
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Keck
Wait, wait what who said that?
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kevindoc81
the like I was just thinking that that that's what I did.
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Keck
oh but Monty the guy that yeah yeah well yeah I would yeah there was definitely I think they were try I don't think that's actually like something he's well he may have that might have been like a term like yo you guys want me to get on your crew like you gotta give me something like you know like I'm good at what I do but like
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kevindoc81
he may have i just never learned when he showed up and was like oh shit like she's real hot like yo all right i know we're gonna raid this but like yo let me uh and i think the first clue to that like something was wrong with her should have been when he was like wiping his dick on her curtains
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Keck
yeah
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Keck
Well, yeah, that was, that was the first indication to her that something was wrong.
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kevindoc81
yeah
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Keck
Well, the first indication was that like, you know, exchanging people to breed, like she asked about his sperm count, which apparently for them, that would have been like the first indication that like, he would know that number by heart.
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kevindoc81
Oh yeah, he didn't know, yeah.
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Keck
He like blur it out, like, you know, 3,297, you know,
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
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kevindoc81
He didn't.
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Keck
Something like that like and he was like uh Like you know he had never heard of it before so that kind of like weirded out her and her friend and the other Indication that I noticed that her friend noticed at the table Was one of the other vault dwellers like took her knife and like stole a piece of food off of her plate like and I mean that's you know in the you know cuz they
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kevindoc81
Oh yeah,
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Keck
maintain a certain, you have to be well mannered in those vaults. Like being civil is like top priority. So like, that's like a kind of a big deal.
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Keck
and The only other thing I would add before we go further is like, I'm wondering, because Vault 33, was it Vault 33 that was exchanging with 32?
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Keck
Or was it 32 exchanging with 33?
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kevindoc81
Well, I wrote in my thing that the dirty.
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Keck
I think it was 33 exchanging.
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Keck
Yeah, well that's the whole thing.
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kevindoc81
So that was the one that they were.
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Keck
da yeah and The other thing is that 33 knew that 32 was going through like a blight.
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kevindoc81
I was like, that would have been a fucking you know thing right there.
00:15:39
Keck
Like they knew that they were having trouble with their crops and stuff. And like my whole thing was like, Why wouldn't they just, you know, out of like kindness and community, like, oh shit, you guys are having a blight. Like, we're going to send you some seeds and stuff like that. Like, but
Show's Fidelity to Game
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Keck
they had to make it conditional that they had to send the sperm down there over to receive those seeds so that they could like regrow their crops. Because like, you know, if you hear that your neighbors are running out of food,
00:16:13
Keck
you want to help them so you know i was confused yeah yeah we're kind of a weird looking guy
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kevindoc81
Yeah, I don't know how long it had been because because they had a I remember when the 30 year old boy, you know, he looked like a he was like the younger brother, but he looked like he was in his 30s. I was like, wait, how old is this guy supposed to be? Yeah. Well, when like he's going when him and the the other guy are going to like investigate, like they notice that like the the previous vault dwellers that were there had all killed each other.
00:16:47
kevindoc81
So like they had been there for a while. So I don't know how long they knew about them.
00:16:49
Keck
or They know they know something happened they did I don't think they ever Yeah, yeah, yeah, well
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kevindoc81
No, because remember, that like a lot of them were like skeletons or like they were... money So they knew it happened a while ago.
00:17:00
Keck
Yeah, something happened. Yeah, but we don't know.
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kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:17:03
Keck
I don't think the show ever draws like a direct conclusion on exactly what went wrong and like what everybody ended up doing. But they make it very obvious that yes, something horrible happened.
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Keck
It seemed that people certain people start going insane. And yeah, you know, it's just
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kevindoc81
Yeah, well, I think they've found out that they were being a part of an experiment.
00:17:27
Keck
but
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kevindoc81
And so they rose up and tried to fight.
00:17:31
Keck
Yeah, there I really didn't get that whole thing.
00:17:33
kevindoc81
press Yeah.
00:17:34
Keck
Well, we'll get into that. But you were going to talk about timelines a little bit. And for me, this was the most confusing part of the show, because it made it seem like certain people like just don't age.
00:17:48
Keck
And 200 years had passed. And everybody was like just you know the same.
00:17:51
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:17:57
kevindoc81
Well, you don't find out to the very end why that is.
00:17:57
Keck
a
00:18:01
kevindoc81
one the yeah Well, one, the are brought back.
00:18:02
Keck
I didn't get it.
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kevindoc81
you know
00:18:08
Keck
Oh, I understand that from the games. Yeah, I'd like that.
00:18:11
kevindoc81
Yeah, OK. Well, the other the other people, her her father and anybody else that you saw that were showing up that were also in the flashbacks from 200 years ago, they were in Vault 31 and they were put on ice.
00:18:24
kevindoc81
They were cryogenically frozen.
00:18:25
Keck
They were cryo- Yeah, there were there was cryo.
00:18:26
kevindoc81
And they would be woken up, they'd be woken up at times whenever they needed to be you know put in put in charge of ah ah of of a vault or something like that. or for greening because It was all about management.
00:18:36
Keck
Yeah.
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kevindoc81
It was their whole deal. So that's how they were still the same age 200 years later.
00:18:43
Keck
Yeah.
00:18:43
kevindoc81
Like by but by the end of the story and they they get into like, oh, this is why they're still alive and stuff.
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Keck
Yeah.
00:18:49
kevindoc81
It's like, okay, that makes sense now. So that's why I was confused.
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Keck
Yeah.
00:18:53
kevindoc81
If I was like, wait, is this 200 years ago or is it still the 1950s or whatever? Cause I was like, cause some of these people are still alive by the end of the show, they explained it up. They explained that.
00:19:02
Keck
Yeah I felt that there were certain gaps though that I didn't I don't maybe if I like rewatched like I would like pick up that's probably what would be the case.
00:19:10
kevindoc81
Yeah. You know, I mean, we're going to rewatch it again before the second season comes out.
00:19:13
Keck
Oh yeah definitely and we'll we'll do that I mean i I think like before the first season even aired they were green lit for a second season.
00:19:14
kevindoc81
yeah Yeah. Yeah, it was like a week before the season.
00:19:24
Keck
Well, you know, I mean, yeah, the people, you know, at Amazon that sold the product that they were delivering was like, this is going to work.
00:19:26
kevindoc81
yeah
00:19:34
Keck
but like You know what I mean?
00:19:35
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:19:36
Keck
So, but I just had made some quick little point outs that I wanted to get. Look, I absolutely love the. <unk> I thought it was great. I thought it paid. I thought it struck like a really good balance of like integrating a lot of content from the games by at the same time not making it a video game show completely.
00:20:03
Keck
do you know
00:20:03
kevindoc81
Yeah.
Character Development and Storytelling
00:20:04
Keck
what i'm saying like it didn't like i've seen like uh other things that are like based on games that like are like just fine tuned where like you know you feel like you're kind of playing a video game i thought fallout did like a really good job of like you know coming into stories on its own, but at the same time making everything um you know relative to people that really love the games.
00:20:33
Keck
I just made like a little a list here. the that they of course incorporated the series of vaults with uh familiar equipment like all the things that like you're like used to uh seeing in the games from the vaults and other were like the pip boys everything like that and uh then The interior of Vault 33 is nearly identical to those in the Fallout 4 and Fallout 76 games. Now, I never played Fallout 76 because it's an abomination, and I would recommend everyone avoid it, but that's you know a thing.
00:21:14
Keck
The other thing is I thought they did a great job of mimicking the power armor that you saw in video games. Unfortunately, I didn't know part of this story because when I originally played Fallout 3, I had not purchased the DLC. And the DLC deals with the Battle of Anchorage, Alaska.
00:21:39
Keck
which you hear Walton Goggins' character talk about in the show, you know what I'm saying, where he talk he's like, I put on one of those sets of armor once in the battle for Alaska.
00:21:42
kevindoc81
yeah
00:21:49
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:21:49
Keck
I don't know that story, so I'm kind of pissed that I missed out. That would be something that, I mean, the game that you would play already has that in it, but when I had it, it was like you had to buy it separately.
00:22:03
kevindoc81
Oh, OK.
00:22:03
Keck
So I missed out on that.
00:22:04
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:22:05
Keck
The wearable computer strap that every vault dweller wears in the game function. I'm not sure what they're talking about. can Oh, the Pip-Boy, sorry.
00:22:15
kevindoc81
The trick was in.
00:22:15
Keck
Yeah, it was the Pip
00:22:15
kevindoc81
a
00:22:16
Keck
Mechanics. The show follows the same rules, ah the game for almost all of its mechanics, such as how to cure wounds with Stimpaks.
00:22:28
Keck
and also how to you can like for example in the games you can make a build where you're all about like being a drug addict to and like your power comes from stem packs and you can go like you can turn your character into like a crazy like fucking heroin addict fucking coke head killer it's you know it's interesting yeah well
00:22:50
kevindoc81
Yeah, I liked how they include the stem packs in there. And I also liked the Brotherhood of Steel's companion that they brought along, had to carry that huge bag of stuff to like represent it, like how much stuff you can carry in the game and stuff like that.
00:23:01
Keck
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:06
kevindoc81
And he had to lug the whole thing around.
00:23:07
Keck
Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:08
kevindoc81
And that was a nice, I thought that was a nice cameo by Michael Rappaport as well. I thought he was pretty fucking funny.
00:23:14
Keck
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:23:15
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:23:16
Keck
The other I just have two more things. The show features a licensed soundtrack. I'm not gonna get into all of it, but Orange Colored Sky by Nat King Cole, a lot of the songs and
00:23:29
kevindoc81
Oh yeah, I downloaded the soundtrack. I was listening to it one week.
00:23:30
Keck
Yeah, a lot of the music, that that's like all official license by Bethesda for those games, so they try to integrate that.
00:23:32
kevindoc81
Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:39
Keck
And then I just had one other category, other details. The show includes other details from the game such as bottle caps as currency, which, you know, people that have never played the game would be like, what the fuck's caps?
00:23:53
kevindoc81
That was a big thing about Wasteland weekend. That was the first thing I was introduced to.
00:23:57
Keck
I figured that you would know about that.
00:23:58
kevindoc81
hold All caps are are all but bottle caps are the trade at Wasteland Weekend. Everybody has custom, they they like go to bottlemart.com and they get customized bottle caps that we exchange with every with each other.
00:24:13
Keck
Oh, really?
00:24:13
kevindoc81
That's it. Yeah, it's a huge market.
00:24:14
Keck
Oh, that's that's cool. And other than that, bottle caps is currency. The police stand by messaging and the I can the iconic line war from actor Ron Perlman at the beginning of each game.
00:24:33
Keck
I did not notice that, but I read that on the brand.
00:24:37
kevindoc81
another Please stand by at the end of each episode. Yeah.
00:24:40
Keck
Yeah, but i don't I don't remember hearing Ron Perlman. I don't remember him saying war at the beginning of each game, but it's been a really long time since I've really played the games.
00:24:56
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:24:57
Keck
So, you know, that's something that I probably could forget. I'm just a big Ron Perlman fan. But anyway, that was my whole spiel about, like, what was in the games.
00:25:07
Keck
that i know this the most. So anyway.
00:25:10
kevindoc81
Yeah. There was a couple of lines that Walton Goggins said that I wrote down because I thought they were so fucking classic. The, uh, thou shall not get sidetracked by bullshit or thou shall get sidetracked by bullshit every goddamn time. I thought it was fucking hilarious. It's it's very like game ish as well. Cause it's like you have this main mission, but you're going to do all this other fucking sidebar shit first. And I thought that was a great line. They had it. Uh, the other one is, uh, when,
00:25:38
kevindoc81
He's killing the, uh, the one, uh, guy who was turned into a ghoul and he was cutting him up and like, she was like grossed out by it.
00:25:45
Keck
Oh, it's well, you're the sadder, right?
00:25:47
kevindoc81
Yeah. And he was like, and he goes, uh, asterisk, you don't make it self.
00:25:54
Keck
Yeah.
00:25:54
kevindoc81
and what you like had He also like, I'd cut off her finger because, uh, she had lost, he had lost his, he was like finger to her finger.
00:26:01
Keck
Mm-hmm. Yep.
00:26:03
kevindoc81
I thought there were some great cameos. I mean you got Kyle McLaughlin as her dad from Twin Peaks. You got You got um Michael Rappaport, as I said before.
00:26:14
Keck
Yeah, we we should we should just stop and get into that scene.
00:26:17
kevindoc81
Who else? Oh, the guy from Lost? What was his name? Oh god.
00:26:24
Keck
ne I never, I wasn't lost.
00:26:25
kevindoc81
You got Matt Barry from the You know, from what we do in the shadows.
00:26:35
kevindoc81
I forget who else was in it. Oh, I think it was Harry S. Harry Sutton Jr. I think it was his name.
00:26:40
Keck
and Another cameo, I can't think of the guy's name.
00:26:43
kevindoc81
Or am I thinking of somebody else?
00:26:45
Keck
He's the black guy that has the idea to dig Walton Goggins up.
00:26:46
kevindoc81
I forget what his name is, but he was the doctor, he was lost.
00:26:51
kevindoc81
I'm gonna pause.
00:26:51
Keck
Wait, what?
00:26:53
kevindoc81
OK, and yeah, I can't remember who else was in it, but there was another line later on where they me. What was Kyle McLaughlin's name?
00:27:03
kevindoc81
It was it was like Hank, right? And then like.
00:27:06
Keck
I think I, I mean, yeah, he was the Oh, I mean, I, will oh, I was just just calling them the overseer. know, but yeah, I think his name was Hank, maybe I'm not, I'm not 100% sure.
00:27:21
Keck
there was
00:27:21
kevindoc81
Yeah, Hank, Hank McLean. Oh, it was McLean, not but not McLean.
00:27:25
Keck
not mccoy but yeah i yeah still hank hank mccoy hank mccoy i mean for you know hardcore uh star i had just seen the rick and morty with the uh die hard now you're making me think all about die hard because i just saw the rick and morty yeah
00:27:26
kevindoc81
That's why. McLean. Yeah.
00:27:42
kevindoc81
And go.
00:27:44
Keck
Yeah, I mean, you and then you got me talking about Die Hard and, you know, as a big, like, Die Hard. Chino, I tell him that Die Hard, too, is the true Die Hard, because he didn't like that one. But, ah yeah, I love Die Hard, and you have it, like, buzzing around my brain now. Because the other day, had just watched the Rick and Morty episode. where he tells her to do a diehard and I thought they did that episode like really great and so uh yeah now my head's all full of diehard I'm thinking so it was it was not actually McLean it was McLean McLean so but yeah I mean the heart wants what the heart wants yeah
00:28:18
kevindoc81
McLean. McLean. Yeah, yeah. But, oh oh, what I was gonna say was that, yeah, at one point he called, the um um when he goes into the vault, that little brain thing call them like called the kid's son of Hank.
00:28:36
Keck
Yeah.
00:28:37
kevindoc81
I thought that was fucking funny because we were always called tom hanks Colin Hanks a fucking son of Hank instead of Colin Hanks.
00:28:43
Keck
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:46
kevindoc81
We used to do that with all the fucking people.
00:28:47
Keck
Yeah.
00:28:48
kevindoc81
and I was like, oh shit, he said son of Hank.
00:28:50
Keck
Son of Hank, yeah.
00:28:51
kevindoc81
but
00:28:52
Keck
I have no idea what the hell Tom Hanks's son's name is, so yeah.
00:28:57
kevindoc81
Son of Hank.
00:29:00
Keck
Yeah, I could not if you were beating me with a fucking hose I could not name his yeah hey But are you referring to the the the thing that Ron Perlman says in the video games about war and
00:29:00
kevindoc81
good
00:29:06
kevindoc81
Yeah, oh, well the other classic thing that the well I know is in the game is the war never changes. They said the line that said that's in the game, that I know.
00:29:20
kevindoc81
I don't know if the way a piece says in the video game, I just know war never changes is from the
00:29:24
Keck
or never
Favorite Scenes and Cameos
00:29:25
Keck
change. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's I mean, ah put a list of certain quotes on there, but there's just there's too numerous to really mention.
00:29:25
kevindoc81
video game.
00:29:36
kevindoc81
Yeah, cool.
00:29:36
Keck
You know, it's it's a lot of stuff, but shit.
00:29:39
kevindoc81
I hope they do more of the New California Republic because we only got like a little bit of like what happened with that.
00:29:46
Keck
Yeah, they didn't. Yeah. Yeah. It was kind of like just like a flashback, basically.
00:29:48
kevindoc81
So, yeah, yeah.
00:29:51
kevindoc81
and I mean, it looks like they're gonna do New Vegas next, which is here is like the best gang. That's what seems it really, because that seems like everybody I talked to, like, oh, I love New Vegas.
00:29:52
Keck
but
00:29:57
Keck
I dislike that one. It's the buggiest video game I've ever played in my life. I've never played a game that had more. Even after it was fully completed, it had, at least on the Xbox 360 console, it had game breaking bugs like where I would have to do like this thing where basically there was a procedure you had to go through where you had to go in delete one of your saves then you would have to start a new game
00:30:30
kevindoc81
Thank you.
00:30:36
Keck
and Go through like the whole like video shit that you couldn't skip new game sequence You had to create a new character had to go through all that process then save that character Then go back in the game and load your old save and your game would be restored That was the workaround.
00:30:42
kevindoc81
yeah
00:30:51
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:30:55
kevindoc81
no yeah
00:30:57
Keck
I had to do that four or five times in my playthrough So I mean I don't know
00:31:02
kevindoc81
Jesus. Yeah, I can see that being frustrating.
00:31:05
Keck
I thought Fallout 3 and then with the graphics and the fucking massiveness. I'm not just talking about like the open world because all the worlds are like very very wide open. I think New Vegas and Fallout 3 are probably about the same as Fallout 4.
00:31:24
Keck
whatchamacall uh... the uh... new things that were introduced on fallout four i just thought it made that uh... a far superior game to new vegas which uh...
00:31:37
Keck
yeah i i i just didn't really like that i it was fallout three was my favorite and then fallout four but we were talking about other characters that made like appearances and
00:31:48
Keck
you might not know who this guy is but the whole scene I loved and I wanted to talk about two scenes, the one with Rappaport and the one where they introduced Gauguin's character.
00:32:02
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:32:02
Keck
how How did you, did I mean that was one of my favorite scenes, I mean I know it was episode one in the first like 20 minutes but that was one of my favorite scenes in the entire thing.
00:32:02
kevindoc81
Yeah. Okay.
00:32:14
kevindoc81
Yeah. Yeah, I really like the, uh, the re when you, the resurrection call against. Yeah. you use like
00:32:19
Keck
The Black Guy, he is somebody that Goggins knows very well. I was upset that they killed his character off immediately, but it must have just been a cameo because he stars with Goggins in the FX show Justified.
00:32:28
kevindoc81
Okay.
00:32:36
kevindoc81
okay
00:32:36
Keck
that apparently might be getting a second reboot and I thought he was going to be part of the you know entire thing I was like oh cool they're teaming them up with that dude and yeah of course they display it as a cameo because he gets killed off in like less than five minutes so
00:32:57
kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:58
Keck
But i mean I thought there was one other thing about that scene I wanted to point out, and it was from the games, and it's one of my it's not the best weapon you can use, but it is one of the funnest weapons you can use. And the guy tries to shoot Goggins with it.
00:33:17
Keck
if you'll notice like a cannon fires and a bunch of like spoons and forks and like just junk like hits like uh like a plate that he's holding up did you notice that like he like was protected like there's a gun just like that in the game where you can like just find crap that would be taking up space in your inventory well if you have this gun you can load it with like uh fucking scrap metal and forks you know with it
00:33:28
kevindoc81
yeah yeah
00:33:46
Keck
all the junk in the game you can even put money in it you can put caps in it and that will make it stronger and you can basically just blare junk at people and it it uses like some kind of like nuclear like reading i don't know some nuclear power so it shoots with tremendous force so you basically have a shotgun like
00:33:49
kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah
00:34:06
Keck
And it's a great gun to have in the wasteland where there's nothing but junk. You can just fire crap at people. It's really cool. And when they showed that like right off, like that was automatically one of my favorite scenes. The other scene was the one you kept referring to. What Michael Rappaport is...
00:34:26
kevindoc81
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you wouldn't like if you're like attacked by that fucking bear thing or whatever they called it, uh, like and you're fucking dying in your stem pack and you're relying on your fucking dude to get it for you. Maybe don't talk a bunch of shit to him.
00:34:42
Keck
talking shit to him like by the way you're dead you're a dead man walking like that is really not the title like if you want it like especially because it wasn't his fault and Michael Rappaport's just like one of the worst was he night Titus I think was his
00:34:48
kevindoc81
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:55
kevindoc81
yeah
00:35:00
kevindoc81
Yeah, he's the tightest here.
00:35:02
Keck
yeah he he was like one of like i don't know how the brotherhood of steel that was one thing about the show i was going to get into but i just want to finish with the scene i thought it was hysterical like i thought that was a great bit of comedy i did not see that coming or I did not see him like he had the gun.
00:35:18
kevindoc81
Yeah, they yeah, there you are.
00:35:21
Keck
I figure he just but he was because he I like jumped out of the chopper like all badass I need to shoot something when this squires telling him like yo, we're not near target yet Like let's continue with the mission, you know, and like he seems like a he's running with four four Oh fuck like eight times ready running away and
00:35:27
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:35:39
kevindoc81
yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah, yeah, I love that part I like the the golfer as well that creature that like was in the fucking water that fucking music Yeah Yeah Right
00:35:46
Keck
And yeah, I thought it was great. I mean, did you... yeah Oh yeah, and like hands and stuff. That was pretty bad. The giant cockroaches.
00:36:05
Keck
Uh, those were like another thing. Uh, that was another thing that kind of, uh, give me out. Like, cause I think of like those, uh, centipedes that used to, uh, exist in your basement when you live with Greg and Lauren.
00:36:19
kevindoc81
Oh, I like the silver. Yeah, like the the silver or something.
00:36:23
kevindoc81
Yeah, you're in like...
00:36:23
Keck
they They call them like house centipedes and stuff like that.
00:36:26
kevindoc81
head Yeah, yeah.
00:36:27
Keck
like My mission in life is to live in regions where they don't exist.
00:36:28
kevindoc81
They're like basement. Yeah.
00:36:31
Keck
But like I think about like what would have happened to them in the Fallout world. You know what I mean?
00:36:36
kevindoc81
Oh.
00:36:37
Keck
like i always like I was telling Miner, if I met Pennywise, he would turn into one of those things. And that would be how he would rep me.
00:36:44
kevindoc81
but
00:36:46
Keck
Like he'd get my fear, like that's what he would be. So yeah, the giant cockroach was great. What about other notable monsters you
00:36:56
kevindoc81
I
Character Arcs and Themes
00:36:56
Keck
thought were cool?
00:36:56
kevindoc81
liked when they went to the that one experimental vault and like everyone was being real nice to them. And they were like, yeah, don't go to level 12, whatever you do.
00:37:06
kevindoc81
They get kept telling that.
00:37:07
Keck
oh Oh yeah!
00:37:09
kevindoc81
when they find out that like they' they they were the experiments there that they like and then they were being real friendly and and then when they held that whole thing where it's like they think they're gonna like die and they're like no your your banishment is is your ah punishment and he said they're like eating popcorn and enjoying life and everything and then he's like god damn it and then he goes and they like wreck everything dude
00:37:24
Keck
yes yeah
00:37:32
Keck
That way I i had totally forgotten about that I had totally forgot about that
00:37:35
kevindoc81
your ass in the whole dude's face
00:37:39
Keck
I think in one of the games you might find a vault full of cultists. People that had come out into a vault that was like abandoned and like there was like reference to drinking the Kool-Aid. I feel like I vaguely remember that in one of the games. It could be a reference to that. I'm not sure.
00:38:00
Keck
The other notable thing is when Walton Goggins tried to sell, what's her name, to that organ donation thing.
00:38:11
kevindoc81
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:12
Keck
There's that machine, like, I think there's always, there's one in every Fallout.
00:38:12
kevindoc81
That's the answer.
00:38:15
kevindoc81
And he was like...
00:38:18
kevindoc81
Yeah, he was like, oh, no worries. were No, you're you're perfectly fine.
00:38:22
kevindoc81
I'm just gonna harvest your oranges. so yeah
00:38:22
Keck
Yeah, or with your organs without like any painkillers or anything.
00:38:27
Keck
yeah yeah And there's ah one of those type of, rope well, usually several of those robots in games. Some of them can be enemies and times you can like knock them down and reprogram them to be like your friend.
00:38:42
Keck
You know what I mean? So they'll be like, cause you can have like companions, which leads me into,
00:38:43
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:38:49
Keck
I'm really glad that they had dog meat in Fallout and they didn't really call him dog meat so it was like they had the dog but like you know he was obviously made to be with Gorgon's character and
00:38:54
kevindoc81
Yeah. Yeah. It's always. Yeah.
00:39:07
Keck
Unless you have something else you want to touch on I just wanted to mention something that I was forgetting that I've been talking to you for like weeks about Relating to fall out and I had seen this great interview and we talked about this
00:39:22
kevindoc81
Well, yeah, no before you get into the interview, of my my probably my favorite scene of the whole series was the shootout at that barter area between Goggins and um Maximus.
00:39:33
kevindoc81
I thought that was a fantastic shootout action scene.
00:39:34
Keck
Yeah, it was great.
00:39:37
kevindoc81
Yeah, that was one of my favorites.
00:39:38
Keck
There were so many great scenes that were just so well done.
00:39:40
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:39:41
Keck
Yeah, I'm trying to think, do I have a scene I liked more than that? I mean, I really liked the ending, like when, like the Brotherhood of Steel,
00:39:54
Keck
and you have the Brotherhood of Steel, you have the Rebels, I think you had like mixed, oh you had like Raiders in there too, like there were like three different factions, like all kind of, I think there were three different factions and like you also had like traders to those factions.
00:40:03
kevindoc81
Yeah. oh yeah's great Yeah.
00:40:15
Keck
In those factions they're all with each other and it just made for like total chaos and then they lit up the city.
00:40:24
kevindoc81
yeah
00:40:24
Keck
I thought it like end it really well and Yeah, when they made him the new foot on the spot and the senior talking about that was spectacular Shit, that I can't say if that was my favorite.
00:40:37
Keck
I mean they're just It was an amazing. It was an amazing Who got tricked into turning into a ghoul
00:40:41
kevindoc81
oh what That that dude got tricked into turn it into a ghoul if they gave him the fucking Yeah, the he ends up becoming uh, he was he was like bullying maximus and he ends up becoming his squire and then remember he was like, you know, he put the dog in the in the coke thing and then he ends up running into the The one doctor guy because his foot was all fucked up from from uh battle
00:41:04
Keck
Yeah, the guy that like injects himself like with the the guy whose foot gets chopped off you mean and they need to make a new foot?
00:41:12
kevindoc81
His foot was like super mangled and like he and he finds that like That guy in the house or whatever and he ends up trading him something for for the For the he'll just put and it heals his foot completely And then he gets like shot like later on but he liked like through that He gets like an arrow through the neck or whatever and he's like still alive It's because like he got injected with the fucking shit the hill eventually
00:41:24
Keck
Yeah, I'm thinking of a different scene.
00:41:40
Keck
Oh, he got injected with the stem...
00:41:41
kevindoc81
one
00:41:42
Keck
Yeah, I...
00:41:44
kevindoc81
It wasn't the stem pack. It was the fucking...
00:41:47
Keck
but the The stuff that makes you real pumped up.
00:41:50
kevindoc81
Yeah, that that fucking kills anything.
00:41:50
Keck
Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:52
kevindoc81
Yeah, and like we'll turn him into a ghoul eventually, yeah.
00:41:56
Keck
yeah there's a whole but i didn't realize i really don't remember the scene like i vaguely remember i i don't know why my memory is failing me here but i do know what you mean and i know the exact thing because in the game there's like there's like i don't know there's like a dozen different types of stems you can tell well because some
00:42:05
kevindoc81
incredible yeah
00:42:14
kevindoc81
It's the same stuff that, uh, Goggins takes. So like, you' got out yeah, he has to take to his main line.
00:42:17
Keck
that Goggins has that he has to take to that's something we should point out like yeah ghouls they have like a long lifespan but they will inevitably at some point become what's called like feral where they're basically uh zombies night of the living dead type
00:42:36
kevindoc81
Yeah. Yeah.
Production Insights and Critiques
00:42:37
Keck
stuff
00:42:37
kevindoc81
If, if they don't take that stuff, I believe.
00:42:39
Keck
Yeah, they have to they have to take that stuff and they have to, I think like eat a certain diet too.
00:42:40
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:42:47
Keck
I'm not, i'm not yeah a asked yeah, I'm not exactly sure, but yeah, they have to take like, it's that's more than like a stem.
00:42:47
kevindoc81
and faster
00:42:57
Keck
That's like, I think something that they have to take like in like regular intervals. It's like diabetes medication.
00:43:04
kevindoc81
yeah yeah yeah
00:43:05
Keck
Basically, for goals that will stop them from turning into mindless zombies, that will you know die off quickly.
00:43:10
kevindoc81
yeah but Yeah, that's all that's all I got so if you want to talk about your
00:43:15
Keck
i was I was trying to think if there were any other like really notable scenes. Well, I was going to talk about the Goggins interview, but just real quick before getting into that, I guess this is a little bit of a difficult conversation to have with you because you haven't played the game. So there were certain factions. Because, you know, there's a lot of factions in the games and you can join certain factions. And there's, I believe in some of the games, if you join certain factions, it makes it so you cannot join another faction if they're like, you know, not friendly unless you like betray that faction. And, you know, there's a whole bunch of shit involved in it.
00:44:04
Keck
I didn't like the way the Brotherhood of Steel was represented compared to in the games. i I felt like just the way they kind of went about things to be a little bit corny.
00:44:22
Keck
I don't know. i mean You had the whole blunder with Titus, but yeah, that that I enjoyed that. I thought that was ah thought that was funny. I have like mixed feelings about the casting of that particular character and that particular role in the Brotherhood.
00:44:40
Keck
because like in the games like guys were generally like a lot more diesel you had to be like a lot more like physically fit and stuff like that to do it and like the Brotherhood of Steel was known to like kind of like send their troops on like frivol frivolous missions and things like that but at the same time like everybody was kind of like I don't know just like more ballsy and determined or so I just didn't feel it.
00:45:09
kevindoc81
Yeah, it did seem like a lot of the Brotherhood of Steel's like they were like, okay, we're gonna search for like this old world tech, which I liked. ah But it was like also at the same time, it was like, we're gonna recruit like the dumbest individuals.
00:45:23
Keck
yeah it
00:45:24
kevindoc81
Yeah. yeah
00:45:25
Keck
And also, like the leadership, they had that one guy at the top, and I like that character. I like him as a character, but I i just...
00:45:31
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:45:36
Keck
I can't like articulate it that well in my words this evening, but I did not really care very much how the Brotherhood... Was portrayed I I like they don't get me wrong.
00:45:50
Keck
I thought it was all like I love the The armor and stuff like that like I thought that that was really cool. I thought their transports were really cool I liked the way everything looked I just didn't like how they were like particularly written it so I
00:46:03
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:46:06
kevindoc81
Yeah, they because they just kind of came of the of the show.
00:46:09
Keck
Yeah.
00:46:09
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:46:10
Keck
And, you know, in the games, they're kind of like badasses and stuff. They might not like really be like, ah you know, a lot of like people like, you know, in the games will say, well, Brotherhood kind of is like actually more of like an evil organization like they have all
00:46:14
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:46:28
Keck
they have like very strict codes of conduct and stuff like that where there's not a lot of room for error and I don't know I just I didn't feel it in the game so I say if there was one negative thing in the show for me that would have been it what the about you is there anything that you thought they could have like improved upon yeah so yeah this was this was pretty much exactly what you wanted
00:46:50
kevindoc81
Besides Brotherhood? No, probably not. I mean, I thought it was... Even for not playing in the games at all?
00:46:58
Keck
yeah.
00:47:00
kevindoc81
Yeah, I thought it was fantastic.
00:47:01
Keck
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:47:02
kevindoc81
Yeah, I'm looking forward to the second season, yeah.
00:47:02
Keck
I mean, yeah, me too. the only other thing I wanted to mention, and this picks up a little bit, you know, like I said, I was really glad that dog meat was in the
00:47:13
Keck
dog meat, uh, is like one of like your earliest companions. And he, in my opinion, is one of the best companions you can have throughout the entire game because like you have like other companions in game it's hard to be stealth because a lot of times like a person like there's this one guy in the Fallout 3 that you could get early on that you could hire and he would just like run in like what he'd say like what the fuck he'd just take out his AK and just run like and I'm trying to pick people off and be stealth
00:47:48
Keck
Dogmeat is like just a great all-round.
00:47:48
kevindoc81
Yeah,
00:47:55
Keck
It'll go and scavenge money if you down somebody. Dogmeat will go over and dig the caps out of their pocket and bring it to you. You know what i mean and like you can upgrade him and stuff like that.
00:48:07
Keck
And i was I felt i really good that he ended up with Goggins, like I said earlier, because I was watching an interview that I haven't been able to locate. I saw it a couple days after the show premiered, but it was something where the creators were They were talking to Goggins about how they wanted the ghoul character portrayed. And they had initially, I guess, like told him to look at because in games, the ghouls that haven't gone crazy, like there's some like Goals that are dressed in like business suits like one runs like a hotel like They have like their own kind of like faction in themselves So they're not like dumbasses and stuff like that, but they had told him like, you know take like your inspiration from the game and From you know these notes on the character and he had said well, you know, I'm actually seeing kind of like
00:49:12
Keck
you know more of like a Clint Eastwood like bounty hunter character like uh and he mentioned Clint Eastwood and Charlie Bronson and he before doing it watched uh one of the spaghetti westerns for a few dollars more well with Clint Eastwood and he watched one of the Death Wish movies with Charles Bronson I think it was Death Wish 3 he said he watched and he said that he took like a lot of his inspiration from Clint Eastwood rather than like the kind of like crazy goals in the game and the creators just loved it like apparently he read one thing and this was all in the interview
00:49:59
Keck
which I can't fucking find which would be awesome to have and he had like read one line in one character stance and then he went and read the same thing in for the casters doing his upgraded version of like the goal character and they were like You nailed it.
00:50:21
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:50:21
Keck
That's exactly what we want.
00:50:23
Keck
Because he was like a combination of like one of the intellectual survivor goals of the game. His character is neither good nor evil.
00:50:33
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:50:33
Keck
wi they were You know what I mean?
00:50:34
kevindoc81
yeah
00:50:35
Keck
Because he's looking for his family.
00:50:37
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:50:37
Keck
And he took so stuff from the game. He took stuff from Clint Eastwood because you know he was that old cowpoke guy he played. He wrapped the poncho around himself, you know what I mean? And at the very end, it's like him walking off. If you notice, he kind of like walks off into, I think it was either the sunset or sunrise. And he's got dog meat by his side and he's walking off into I thought that was just brilliant.
00:51:08
kevindoc81
Yeah, he's walking off to New Vegas.
00:51:08
Keck
I really liked how he took
00:51:11
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:51:11
kevindoc81
yeah
00:51:11
Keck
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:51:13
Keck
Just walking right off.
00:51:13
kevindoc81
yeah
00:51:14
Keck
And that I thought that was just such a great segue. And I'm so glad that, you know, I don't know exactly what the creators had originally wanted him to do, but like, you know, that extra spark I just think gave his character like, I mean, I love the guy, dude.
00:51:34
Keck
I'm biased because, you know, I'm on the guy's jock. I think he's one of the best actors out there right now.
00:51:38
kevindoc81
Oh yeah, everything I see in me.
00:51:41
kevindoc81
yeah
00:51:41
Keck
right now actively so I know I'm going on here but uh his performance it if was not in Fallout I do not think that I would have liked it as much as I did like by far yeah I mean but I just for that particular role I just think he was great for I mean yeah I don't know maybe they could have gotten like Tom Hardy yeah yeah yeah
00:51:55
kevindoc81
I mean, I guess it depends on who they cast instead, but...
00:52:06
kevindoc81
Tim is the old one. yeah
00:52:11
Keck
ah ah wait Well, yeah, but I don't know, maybe they could have gotten like a Tom Hardy or like Colin Farrell or see somebody and did them all up with the makeup and they could have, but like I just thought like, cause I saw like, I saw all the characters that he had played, like even the ah bad guy in Django Unchained,
00:52:13
kevindoc81
yeah
00:52:37
Keck
You know, like, you know, because he was like the cowboy back then, like, you know, on the horse.
00:52:41
kevindoc81
Wasn't that hateful eight?
00:52:44
Keck
Yeah, he was the cowboy. He was the cowboy sheriff and hateful eight.
00:52:48
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:52:49
Keck
Yeah, I mean Goggins has been and everything like Tarantino has had them and I kind of forgot about Django, but you know, so and you know, he's the outlaw and fucking on just unjustified and yeah, man, i'm I'm glad he brought like that whole like kind of like Clint Eastwood like don't fuck with me like I'm just doing my it was really badass like I just thought it was really badass and it all got rolled out in that scene you were talking about.
00:52:50
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:53:13
kevindoc81
Yeah. yama Yeah, I'm I'm a, I'm a little surprised that, uh, even though it got 17 Emmy nominations that it didn't win any.
00:53:24
Keck
Yeah,
Plot Twists and Conclusions
00:53:25
Keck
I was surprised about I thought they were get something.
00:53:28
kevindoc81
Yeah. Well, yeah, I thought it'd be like best supporting or something, you know what I mean? But like, I think, I don't think it got a single fucking Emmy, but you know,
00:53:37
Keck
Yeah, and you always talk about a big thing with you is you always talk about like the integration of CGI with practical filmmaking. I mean, that's And today, I mean, that's everything, you know, especially if you're shooting, you know, something that's like science fiction futuristic. And, you know, I thought they did a great job with like, I mean, the special effects and like, you know, I mean,
00:54:07
Keck
it was I mean that is integration because I really could not tell in certain scenes like what was maybe CGI'd and what was like you know them actually doing like on screen like obviously there were certain things that were completely obvious like
00:54:22
kevindoc81
Like, yeah. Yeah, like the gold party stuff like that, but yeah.
00:54:26
Keck
but like there were ah ah parts where he was like in like the like jetpack thing and I was wondering like are they CGI-ing this or do they have him on wires like you know what I mean in the scene that you were describing as your favorite scene there were just certain things where I was like you know I wonder yeah I mean
00:54:26
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:54:41
kevindoc81
Oh, yeah. Well, they definitely would have got to have them on wires to do so. It was like, it looked like a practical set that they were on, so.
00:54:47
Keck
but
00:54:49
Keck
Yeah, it it was a beautiful set too. I mean, it was like that straight out of the games, like from like that, like fish market, like right in the middle, like yeah, it was fucking perfect. It was but and bringing the the weapons, like his weapon. um um One last thing I probably would mention In that scene, I was wondering whether he was using like the special targeting system that I didn't really say oh that's from the game. It's called VATS. It's like this reaction targeting system that you have or like you can aim at certain, like you can kind of freeze the game.
00:55:32
Keck
and you can aim at certain parts of the body like the head and it'll show you your percentage chance of striking that part of the body so you can like some things it's better to shoot their legs out rather because they might have like
00:55:45
kevindoc81
That's all.
00:55:51
Keck
powerful armor on or something like that and you're kind of in slow motion when you're doing that and I noticed when Goggins was in that scene it appeared in slow motion at certain parts and I was wondering like I don't know they didn't really explain like completely but I was wondering um if they were going to integrate That into the game differently if they were going to like show I don't know people in the power suits like the Brotherhood of Steel if they were gonna show like percentages and show that like computer image I I think that they decided to go against that because that might have looked really cheesy and stupid and Instead like just showing it the way like Goggins did in the shootout. What was his name?
00:56:41
Keck
in show. I've just been calling them Goggins the entire cast.
00:56:45
kevindoc81
but it was ah Cooper Cooper Howard.
00:56:50
Keck
Cooper Howard, yeah. And yeah, I didn't know and I think I believe that his whole backstory was pretty much just made for the show.
00:56:51
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:57:00
Keck
I don't think Cooper Howard existed in any of it.
00:57:03
kevindoc81
yeah Yeah, like his characters is like, you know, like a Clint Eastwood type of like Western guy and but he's kind of like on the outs, I guess, at that point, because like, right when the bomb goes off, he's just doing like a birthday party.
00:57:06
Keck
Yeah.
00:57:18
Keck
Yeah, well, yeah, he yeah, he's on the app.
00:57:19
kevindoc81
It's more of a famous thing.
00:57:21
Keck
Well, he had Issues with the uh, the film they wanted his character to be more violent they were constantly Yeah, and he didn't Yeah
00:57:29
kevindoc81
yeah yeah and Yeah, and that wasn't what his character was. yeah And then he started doing the photo shoots for and commercials for the vaults. That's how he like found out that like his wife was involved.
00:57:42
kevindoc81
in like Yeah.
00:57:43
Keck
Yeah, and that's what I wanted to end on. I didn't want to fuck this up because this is the big twist at the end.
00:57:50
kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:51
Keck
I didn't see that come.
00:57:52
kevindoc81
No, yeah yeah, that she was like all for it.
00:57:55
kevindoc81
I like i did like how of like the whole story was like, it was all about, you know, like corporate corporate greed and and and and management and and stuff like that.
00:57:55
Keck
I mean...
00:58:03
Keck
Corporate, you...
00:58:06
kevindoc81
And it was like, Oh, yeah, well, how do we guarantee all these sales?
00:58:07
Keck
Yeah.
00:58:11
kevindoc81
Well, if they don't drop the bomb, we'll drop it ourselves.
00:58:15
Keck
Yeah, but that's just so ridiculous.
00:58:15
kevindoc81
But
00:58:18
Keck
Like, like, I mean, that's taken corporate greed to like a fucking new level.
00:58:22
kevindoc81
Well, yeah, yeah.
00:58:23
Keck
Like, I mean, they're like, you're basically like, yo, yeah, we're just gonna nuke ourselves to fucking appease our shareholders.
00:58:30
kevindoc81
Yeah.
00:58:33
Keck
So, you know, yeah.
00:58:33
kevindoc81
Yeah. And we'll, we'll all be fine on all our shareholders. We'll all be fine because we have all these volts and we can just divvy up all these volts and then people can do whatever they want with them. I thought that was a really cool thing.
00:58:41
Keck
And then, And then, inevitably, we're going to have to retake the surface, wait, you know, hundreds of years for it to be habitable again, we're gonna build it all up again, and then we're gonna have to nuke it again.
00:58:43
kevindoc81
and i
00:58:54
kevindoc81
yeah
00:58:55
Keck
Because some new Vault-Tec will be really...
00:58:55
kevindoc81
yeah
00:58:58
Keck
And eventually, you end up like this, people in, like, silo, where, like, the story just begins and, like, people don't even know why the fuck they're there.
00:59:07
kevindoc81
Yeah Yeah, which I'm looking for I'm looking forward to the second season of silo Oh, it's good, it's good yeah
00:59:07
Keck
but Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, i i I just like watched the first episode. So like I just got like the concept of it and you know, but the yeah, I mean, I just thought that that was also a great ending because that wasn't at the very end of the show.
00:59:31
Keck
It was in like, I think the second to the last episode or was it the last episode?
00:59:35
kevindoc81
well probably It was close to, if not the last episode, yeah.
00:59:38
Keck
Because they were, you know, they suspected that
Final Thoughts and Future Plans
00:59:41
Keck
his wife was up to some really shady shit. You know, she was on, it was like, I don't know, like the FBI were, you know, investigating them and, you know, they wanted him to like, you know, wear a wire.
00:59:46
kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah.
00:59:55
kevindoc81
You know, it was the the girl that kidnapped her father. She was in like this, you know, I guess they were being called like commies and being ousted and stuff.
01:00:06
kevindoc81
But they were they were they were the ones that were like getting people together to be like, hey, like these bolt guys are up to fucking something shady. So like that like she was the one that like asked him.
01:00:06
Keck
yeah oh yeah yeah oh yeah that's right yeah I'm sorry yeah yeah the heat yeah yeah yeah yeah it was a journal yeah yeah you're right now now that I think about
01:00:22
kevindoc81
and get this information that so they can take it public and stuff like that. I think she was like a reporter or something like that. And then that's when you find out that like she had kidnapped her dad because he was the one that like, you know, you know he was part of the corporate that dropped the bomb ah him and stuff too about part of the corporation.
01:00:45
Keck
yeah
01:00:45
kevindoc81
he was like resurrected to like you know take control and and it was uh he still had the codes so they can turn on that uh that fusion uh device so they can have a limited of power that they're working out on that's why she kidnapped them yeah and like that that's when like she finds that out about her her dad and is like completely fucking torn apart and like
01:00:58
Keck
Yeah. Yeah.
01:01:08
Keck
yeah And that that that was the big twist I didn't see coming.
01:01:11
kevindoc81
Yeah, and her mother's there fucking like as the ghoul and stuff.
01:01:14
Keck
Yeah.
01:01:15
kevindoc81
all thought Yeah.
01:01:16
Keck
Yeah. Well, and I was going to in conclusion, my last point I was going to bring up is I would say that is the only other thing you might disagree with me
01:01:27
Keck
that's the other only other thing I did not like is why she kept her mother there as a not only a feral goal, but like a decrepit like basically skeleton like, you know, husk, like at the dinner table strapped down like over the city for how long?
01:01:50
kevindoc81
yeah Yeah.
01:01:52
Keck
I mean, it had to be years that she was like that. And yeah,
01:01:56
kevindoc81
Yeah. Cause it was one, she had disappeared from the vault when she was a little girl, when Lucy was a little girl. So yeah.
01:02:01
Keck
and then yeah yeah so it it was like probably like decades and they were friends.
01:02:06
kevindoc81
Yeah.
01:02:07
Keck
You know, this is Moldover. I think her character was Moldover. Yeah, Moldover.
01:02:11
kevindoc81
so Yes. I like that.
01:02:13
Keck
so Yeah, something like that. But like, they they were friends because she sits down when the whole, you know, a city lights up. She sits down. She's like, we did it. You know, we did it.
01:02:24
Keck
And like, dude if you were a feral fucking like zombie fucking skeleton that was like the crypt keeper like i would shoot you like i wouldn't like let you like i would not want to visit
01:02:36
kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't know why she kept her life. We never found out like how she died or turned into a ghoul either.
01:02:44
Keck
And we, I will, we get the idea that like her husband, like kind of forced her to, well, at least she saw the shady shit he was up to.
01:02:44
kevindoc81
I don't think.
01:02:53
Keck
So she kind of, but like, I think he, you know, I think he like something where he like locked her out.
01:02:53
kevindoc81
Yeah. Well, I think he did it right.
01:03:01
Keck
Well, I think she left on her own and he didn't let her. I don't think we have all the we don't have the whole story because at the end there is a lot of accusations being thrown around.
01:03:07
kevindoc81
No, yeah, yeah.
01:03:12
Keck
But the fact that like she had to shoot her own mother.
01:03:16
kevindoc81
Yeah.
01:03:18
Keck
was i mean what i would have done but it's ridiculous that uh she didn't do that like decades ago when she first became feral there was no i mean you knew i mean there's no way you were going to cure that there was no stem for that there is no way you were going to bring her back she was nothing like it was just that was one thing like i just didn't get is so yeah
01:03:27
kevindoc81
Yeah.
01:03:41
kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah, I hope maybe we'll all get further because we did just find out about it right there So we'll probably get more backstory on the on our there's a lot it was not to cover yeah, yeah
01:03:48
Keck
exactly yeah I don't know maybe yeah maybe they'll explain all this stuff and I'll be back and be like oh that was actually really brilliant but like for right now that was something I just like was like what the fuck you know but uh yeah that's that's all I got I know I know I went on with this but like I am a i made yeah Yeah, a lot to cover. And, you know, I know I ranted on and on, but like, you gotta understand like Fallout is one of my favorite video game franchises. And, know, they they made a show about those video game franchises with unique story, where a lot of my favorite actors in it.
01:04:32
Keck
So like for me, this was just pure joy and I was really worried. I did not even with Walton Goggins and I saw ah this stuff about like the creation and all the work that they were going into it and it was this was not a cheap series to make like you know what I mean like Amazon invested in this so you know that that's something I'm worried about in future seasons is are they going to have the budget but luckily you know Amazon's like an evil company with like an unlimited resource so so you know they have that on unless it gets I don't know but anyway
01:04:49
kevindoc81
you know I mean,
01:05:02
kevindoc81
it's Amazon. Yeah.
01:05:12
kevindoc81
Yeah, I'd be more worried if it was on Netflix because Netflix will cancel it after a season.
01:05:15
Keck
yeah
01:05:18
kevindoc81
You know what I mean? you It's good ratings.
01:05:18
Keck
Yeah, exactly.
01:05:19
Keck
like yeah Netflix, yeah.
01:05:21
kevindoc81
And like Netflix will have the budget and then be like, yeah, we're going to spend it in the fuck up the fucking.
01:05:22
Keck
yeah
01:05:29
kevindoc81
you know adaptation or something like that like so yeah I was worried about Fallout being good as well because like the other Wasteland movie that ah based on video game that came out this year as well as Borderlands and that was yeah it was bad it looked like an early 2000s adaptation it was kind of like the like the Monster Hunter or like early
01:05:48
Keck
I didn't see, yeah, I didn't see that.
01:05:50
kevindoc81
like early residieval It was like, the only good part about it was Jack Black as Claptrap. I thought he was great. And then there was like a couple of parts that were like, okay, but it was like, everyone else seems like very miscast.
01:06:02
kevindoc81
And like, the story's just like, whatever, you know what I mean?
01:06:02
Keck
Yeah.
01:06:05
kevindoc81
Like, yeah, so.
01:06:06
Keck
Yeah, I mean that, yeah, that can, you like we were talking about with Vince Vaughn, you know, yeah, that can, casting is very important, people.
01:06:17
Keck
so
01:06:18
kevindoc81
Yeah.
01:06:18
Keck
Anyway, but uh, yeah, that is uh, you know wrapping up uh, my uh My opinion on the uh fallout series can't wait for fallout uh season two. I I I don't care how long it takes to come. I just hope they get it right and you know, I hope uh, I hope that they retain the key cast members I hope, obviously, Goggins would be key, but I hope you see the return of the cast that was surviving from this one, and I hope that, although
01:07:01
Keck
Like I said, I wasn't the biggest fan of the Brotherhood of Steel, so they could lose some of this people, yeah but know I I hope the transition is good, and I hope that in season two, they keep the balance going that I described of you know integrating stuff from the game that you know the gamers are going to love, and also having like a really original story.
01:07:27
Keck
so
01:07:28
kevindoc81
Yeah, I'm into it. I can't wait for the next season as well. um um Also, Also, ah Before we go, Ella Purnell, is that her name? The the main main girl?
01:07:42
Keck
I have no idea.
01:07:44
kevindoc81
Yeah, well, she's in some new show on that's airing right now on S.T.A.R.S. I'm waiting for it to finish and then I'm gonna binge watch it. It's called Sweet Pea.
01:07:54
Keck
Interesting. i haven't you know Stars is like pretty obscure these days.
01:08:01
kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, I don't...
01:08:03
kevindoc81
i
01:08:03
Keck
Like Black Flag.
01:08:04
Keck
There was Black Flags, I think. It was like a pirate show.
01:08:06
kevindoc81
yeah
01:08:07
Keck
That was really badass. I actually really enjoyed that. But otherwise, I don't hear about us stars originals very often.
01:08:15
kevindoc81
Yeah, they don't like have enough on there for me to get, you know, not only get the membership, but keep it. You know what I mean?
01:08:22
Keck
Yeah I can't think of, I mean right now I think if you're looking for like good content like overall like sci-fi, horror, or just things in general, Apple TV I think has a brilliant lineup of stuff out there.
01:08:23
kevindoc81
so
01:08:36
Keck
I think there's far too many streaming services but you know i was just checking out the apple tv lineup and they just have a lot of this stuff and it's in like a lot of different genres but like science fiction like you you had told me you're like in terms of sci-fi apples really doing a good job and i have to say i agree i agree so
01:08:49
kevindoc81
A lot of sci-fi, yeah.
01:08:58
kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah the so Sweet Pea's about like, she plays like this girl that everyone kind of overlooks and like she like kind of starts turning on people and fucking killing them and like getting away with it.
01:09:10
kevindoc81
Yeah, so it looks like there's like a dark comedy thriller.
01:09:13
Keck
Yeah, I'll definitely check it out. I already put i made a notation on my notepad, so.
01:09:18
kevindoc81
Let me see how many episodes they're into it right now. And I can tell you when it's gonna finish. I think it's, yeah, it started October 9th, and it looks like there's only six episodes and it's gonna end on November 15th.
01:09:30
Keck
Oh, cool.
01:09:34
kevindoc81
So I don't know if it's like a miniseries or, yeah, it it says it's a miniseries, so it might only be one season, but who knows, it could get a second.
01:09:42
kevindoc81
But I have to watch the first one, but yeah.
01:09:42
Keck
Yeah, yeah.
01:09:44
Keck
well Anyway, in terms of Fallout, you know that's a how me and Doc saw it.
01:09:45
kevindoc81
I'm interested
01:09:51
kevindoc81
yeah Yeah.
01:09:53
Keck
If you have not checked it out, know I cannot recommend it enough. In closing, you got anything else ah you want to add? Fallout?
01:10:03
Keck
you know Are you going to to Europe?
01:10:04
kevindoc81
oh no no No, I just got back from Wasteland Weekend, so I mean, I didn't...
01:10:05
Keck
ah
01:10:09
Keck
Yeah, I know. We're going to talk more about that in our next cast, as well as unveiling the chainsaw awards, right?
01:10:16
kevindoc81
I didn't...
01:10:19
kevindoc81
yeah Yeah, I mean I didn't have anything else to talk about really about the about wasteland weekend that I didn't already mentioned in this show I mean I did climb the Thunderdome this time.
01:10:23
Keck
Yeah.
01:10:28
kevindoc81
I still haven't fought in the Thunderdome, but I will fight one year but uh Yeah, that's Yeah
01:10:34
Keck
Yeah, the the last thing I climbed day anything like that was like that. Remember that thing we had to climb at Camp Ernie?
01:10:42
Keck
Never mind. Let's never speak of it again. Anyway, that's Fallout 4. Thank you guys for listening. And Doc, what's the whole spiel?
01:10:50
Keck
Follow us on like Facebook, Instagram, all that shit.
01:10:53
kevindoc81
Yeah, yeah, we're on the I mean, I don't post on and the actual page on Facebook, but you can join our group and you can, you know, let us would know what you thought of the show. And and I always post like upcoming news and stuff there that that all eventually mentioned on here, if I remember to.
01:11:10
kevindoc81
But like yeah I always re repost the news. And and we what we always like to hear your thoughts and and what you're watching and stuff on there. So an idea is toni for that we should check out as well.
01:11:19
Keck
Yeah, definitely.
01:11:21
kevindoc81
as it
01:11:22
Keck
Especially if there's something that we're missing. you know and i mean like that that's that That's what I want to know.
01:11:25
kevindoc81
yeah
01:11:28
Keck
so anyway but yeah all right well
01:11:32
kevindoc81
Yeah.
01:11:33
Keck
That's a wrap, Doc. It was good to see you, brother. And I hope it's not like, I don't know, three months until we do this again.
01:11:41
kevindoc81
yeah Yeah.
01:11:42
Keck
We're trying to get more regular, but I don't know, man, like Halloween and then your busy season.
01:11:46
kevindoc81
Time zones.
01:11:49
Keck
So yeah, it's just the time zones and work schedules and, you know,
01:11:49
kevindoc81
Yeah. Yeah. time Time zones and work schedules kind of get in the way. yeah I'm going to see the remake of Street Trash. It's borrowed by the guy who directed Fried Berry.
01:12:01
kevindoc81
So I'll have to mention that on our next cast and tell you my thoughts on that.
01:12:05
Keck
right on, right on. Well, happy play everybody has a happy and safe Halloween.
01:12:07
kevindoc81
All right.
01:12:13
kevindoc81
Yes. Happy Halloween.
01:12:14
Keck
Cheers.
01:12:15
kevindoc81
Peace.