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Dance Series Pt. 1: Do These Kids Even Know How to Dance Tho?
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Welcome to episode 7 of the You Can Call Me Karen Podcast! Today we have a question for Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Can we see you 1, 2, step? We have noticed a decline of social dance amongst middle and high schoolers so this week we will discuss what might be the culprit. Could the rise of social media, smart phones, and digital entertainment be to blame for the shift away from face-to-face interaction and community dancing? Tune in as we dive into the impact of technology on youth socialization and how platforms like TikTok, Instagram, and Snapchat have changed the way young people connect with each other. Are these digital spaces replacing the need for in-person social experiences like dancing?
As always - a big thank you to Steve Olszewski for the art and images, Calid B and SJ Fadeaway for the musical mixings, and huge credit to Malvina Reynolds (writer) and Schroder Music Co. (ASCAP) (publisher) of the song “Little Boxes”.
Links to sources referenced in this episode:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_MWOzXyCtG/?igsh=MTE3YzRva2ZqN2R0Zg==
Lastly, please follow us on Instagram (@youcancallmekaren), TikTok (@YCCMKPod), and like/subscribe wherever you get your podcasts!
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Transcript
Is Social Dancing Dead?
00:00:01
Stephanie Jay
Hey Gen Z and Alpha, I have a question for you. Can you lean with it? Now can you rock with it? Could you teach me how to doggy? If I were to mention a window or a wall, would you know what to do? Okay, I'm clearly an out of millennia with my dance craze references, but seriously, do y'all even dance? I don't mean, and I don't mean hit the gritty on the way to the pencil sharpener at school. If you were at a social gathering and music started playing,
00:00:31
Stephanie Jay
Would you bust a move or is social dancing a thing of the past?
Podcast Introduction
00:00:59
Stephanie Jay
Hello and welcome to the You Can Call Me Karen podcast where we will discuss events from the world around us in an effort to highlight our similarities rather than our differences. I am Steph Jay and joined by my dearest friends, Karen Horowitz and Manny Rosa.
00:01:16
Mannikka Rosa
Hello.
00:01:16
Stephanie Jay
Today's topic, oh hey guys.
00:01:20
Stephanie Jay
I wasn't gonna let y'all talk.
00:01:21
karenstansfield
She was ready to go.
00:01:24
Mannikka Rosa
I don't know that intro got me very excited. I just had to be like.
00:01:34
karenstansfield
You may proceed.
00:01:34
Stephanie Jay
um but they Thank you.
00:01:35
karenstansfield
hey
00:01:37
Stephanie Jay
Today's episode will be part one of our two-part dance series. Today we asked the question, do people even dance though? Do they pull up the pants and
00:01:45
karenstansfield
okay
00:01:47
Stephanie Jay
OK, I promise I won't do any more of those. But while there is lots of access to dance videos and trends, we don't really see young folks breaking it down on the dance floor. So a couple of questions about that, like whose responsibility is it to teach kids to dance in a social setting?
00:02:02
Stephanie Jay
But before we get started with today's topic, let's check in with Manny and Karen to find out who you call in Karen.
The 'Mexico Karen' Anecdote
00:02:10
Stephanie Jay
How
00:02:10
Mannikka Rosa
Who
00:02:11
Mannikka Rosa
um Okay, so I'm taking us back to September 2023 in Mexico, and we're going to talk about mexico gar
00:02:20
Stephanie Jay
Oh my goodness.
00:02:21
karenstansfield
Whoa.
00:02:23
karenstansfield
Oh, damn.
00:02:23
Stephanie Jay
Oh.
00:02:28
Stephanie Jay
There.
00:02:29
karenstansfield
How are we just now covering this?
00:02:32
Stephanie Jay
they
00:02:34
Mannikka Rosa
um So my co-hosts are laughing because last summer, Labor Day weekend, our girl Steph turned 40 and we all went to Mexico together with our husbands and we were chilling, having a great time in the pool.
00:02:35
karenstansfield
ah
00:02:49
Mannikka Rosa
I actually wasn't there for this so you guys can fill in the gaps if I miss anything. but
00:02:53
Stephanie Jay
And.
00:02:54
Mannikka Rosa
Apparently, my husband was on his phone minding his own business, um checking up on work emails, um looking at scores. I don't know who fucking cares.
00:03:05
Mannikka Rosa
And this woman with the quintessential Karen haircut.
00:03:08
karenstansfield
quintessential. Yes.
00:03:10
Stephanie Jay
thank
00:03:11
karenstansfield
Oh my, I'm like fighting. I'm like trying so hard to restrain myself right now.
00:03:13
Mannikka Rosa
yes
00:03:16
Stephanie Jay
and
00:03:16
Mannikka Rosa
You're going to have to say verbatim what she said. But um she came up to Luke and asked him why he was on his phone and proceeded to berate him about being on his phone in the pool in Mexico when he should be having a good time.
00:03:32
Mannikka Rosa
And um our friends were like, look, he's the CEO of his own company. And she's like, well, I have my own company too. And I'm not on my phone, blah, blah, blah.
00:03:44
Mannikka Rosa
and ah
00:03:48
karenstansfield
Oh, my gosh.
00:03:49
Mannikka Rosa
receded to just be very entitled and thinking that she could tell my husband what he should be doing with his free time at the beach in Mexico or ah and the pool in Mexico, not knowing a thing about him, not even knowing his name.
00:03:50
Stephanie Jay
Hmm.
00:03:53
Stephanie Jay
Mm-hmm.
00:04:04
karenstansfield
Pour me two,
00:04:05
Mannikka Rosa
So yeah, we're taking it back to Mexico, Karen.
00:04:07
Stephanie Jay
Mm-hmm.
00:04:07
karenstansfield
like, Luke? Luke is like the kindest, gentlest man. And he was quite literally minding his own damn business.
00:04:15
Stephanie Jay
Mm-hmm.
00:04:15
Mannikka Rosa
and
00:04:18
karenstansfield
He was just taking a moment.
00:04:19
Mannikka Rosa
Mm hmm.
00:04:22
karenstansfield
We are a lot.
00:04:23
Stephanie Jay
Mm-hmm.
00:04:24
karenstansfield
So I'm sure part of this was like, I'm going to step away. I'm going to decompress.
00:04:28
Stephanie Jay
Mm-hmm.
00:04:30
Mannikka Rosa
Yes.
00:04:30
karenstansfield
And then that poor man was assaulted by like the most stereotypical Karen.
00:04:33
Mannikka Rosa
Yes.
00:04:37
Mannikka Rosa
I mean, we're talking the asymmetrical blonde hair and all.
00:04:37
karenstansfield
Oh my gosh.
00:04:38
Stephanie Jay
hair Haircut and all.
00:04:42
karenstansfield
Oh, I am speechless. I forgot all about that. It is you, as soon as you said something like Mexico or whatever, I was like, Oh God, why have we not covered this yet?
00:04:48
Stephanie Jay
Me too.
00:04:55
Stephanie Jay
I
00:04:56
karenstansfield
Oh, that Karen.
00:04:57
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah. Yeah.
00:04:58
Stephanie Jay
don't even remember like what we said to her.
00:04:58
karenstansfield
Oh my gosh.
00:04:58
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah. So I wasn't.
00:05:02
karenstansfield
I think we were all totally shocked because we were like in the pool drinking.
00:05:04
Stephanie Jay
Amy.
00:05:04
Mannikka Rosa
You were shocked.
00:05:08
karenstansfield
You know, literally, literally, I cannot overemphasize that enough.
00:05:09
Mannikka Rosa
Minding your business.
00:05:11
Stephanie Jay
Mm-hmm.
00:05:14
karenstansfield
Like we were not engaging with other people.
00:05:16
Stephanie Jay
Mm-hmm.
00:05:16
karenstansfield
There was like the six of us.
00:05:17
Mannikka Rosa
No.
00:05:18
karenstansfield
We were all happy.
00:05:19
Mannikka Rosa
Enjoying those seafood platter, whatever trays that we did. They were so good.
00:05:25
karenstansfield
Yes.
00:05:26
Stephanie Jay
a
00:05:27
karenstansfield
Yes. And then she just strolls up.
00:05:27
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah.
00:05:31
karenstansfield
One against six.
00:05:32
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah.
00:05:32
karenstansfield
You know, oh gosh, what balls? I just couldn't. I couldn't imagine a world where like that would have been acceptable behavior for me. And my name is Karen, to be clear.
00:05:42
Stephanie Jay
oo i'm just
00:05:46
Stephanie Jay
She was so patronizing like she was like you're missing it enjoy your time with your your people as if like
00:05:49
karenstansfield
a
00:05:53
karenstansfield
ahha
00:05:55
Stephanie Jay
we weren't having the time of our lives. Like you, mm-hmm.
00:05:58
Mannikka Rosa
And as if, like, she wasn't doing the same by coming over there and talking to him.
00:05:59
karenstansfield
Yes.
00:06:02
Mannikka Rosa
Like, you go enjoy your time with more people.
00:06:02
Stephanie Jay
I'm like, you're, you're people.
00:06:04
karenstansfield
Yeah, like, don't worry about what this other person is doing. Worry about yourself.
00:06:08
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah. yeah
00:06:10
karenstansfield
Gosh, I mean, I tell my son,
Who Should Teach Dance? Teachers or Family?
00:06:11
karenstansfield
my six-year-old son that all the time. Like, you are a grown-ass woman.
00:06:13
Mannikka Rosa
Mind your business?
00:06:15
Stephanie Jay
Mm-hmm.
00:06:15
Mannikka Rosa
Yes.
00:06:15
karenstansfield
Yes, just worry about yourself.
00:06:18
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah.
00:06:18
karenstansfield
Ugh. Oh, um my gosh.
00:06:19
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah, that.
00:06:20
Stephanie Jay
Mexico, Karen.
00:06:20
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah, that. i Yeah, I was, like, thinking today, I was like, we haven't talked about Mexico, Karen, yet, and she's going to be dragged today.
00:06:27
Stephanie Jay
dragged.
00:06:28
karenstansfield
I hope she hears this. I hope she hears this and is like, wait, I did that before.
00:06:31
Stephanie Jay
It's me!
00:06:36
karenstansfield
Yes. And if your name isn't Karen, you better change that name because you've got to own that.
00:06:42
Mannikka Rosa
You earned it though.
00:06:43
karenstansfield
ah All right, my Karen story to move us along is much, it's I was the Karen, Manny, you were there for this.
00:06:50
Stephanie Jay
you see
00:06:55
karenstansfield
It was a minor moment in time in my opinion, but we were just in Columbus for ah ah Labor Day. I guess that's our weekend.
00:07:04
Mannikka Rosa
Oh, let's take it.
00:07:05
karenstansfield
and
00:07:06
Mannikka Rosa
Liberty 2024.
00:07:09
karenstansfield
um And we were, where were we? Oh, we were on campus. We were getting smoothies because it was hot as balls outside.
00:07:17
Mannikka Rosa
ah those icy um i Oh,
00:07:18
karenstansfield
And no, no, no, this was the smoothies.
00:07:24
karenstansfield
Remember when we were at the art pack or whatever it's called now? Anyways, so, so
00:07:28
Mannikka Rosa
Oh!
00:07:32
karenstansfield
Literally after after this happened, Manny was like, ah That's your story for our next podcast.
00:07:37
Stephanie Jay
Yeah.
00:07:38
karenstansfield
So we were ordering at the screens. ah Like it was like, you know, self service thing and then you put in your order and you type in your name, and then you pay and then they call Well, it turns out they call your number, which once you pay, it flashes up a number on the screen, which I paid no attention to because I typed in my name.
00:07:59
Stephanie Jay
Oh.
00:08:00
karenstansfield
So when I type in my name, I assume they're going to call my name. Anywho, they started calling numbers. Manny and everyone knew their number and they grabbed their smoothie. And um and I was like, I don't have a number.
00:08:15
karenstansfield
like We're like, I don't know my number, but um there should be a smoothie over there with the name Karen on it. And it was like, oh, God.
00:08:25
karenstansfield
Couldn't have been.
00:08:25
Mannikka Rosa
Everybody behind us was laughing.
00:08:30
Mannikka Rosa
Employees were laughing. We're like, yeah, we bet it is Karen.
00:08:34
karenstansfield
Oh, not my finest moment.
00:08:37
Mannikka Rosa
Oh, man, that was great. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:08:40
karenstansfield
In my defense, why?
00:08:44
Stephanie Jay
Why did I ask for the name if they give a number?
00:08:45
karenstansfield
Ask for my name. Yeah, I'm like, I'm putting in my name. You're going to call my name.
00:08:50
Mannikka Rosa
Oh, God.
00:08:50
karenstansfield
Apparently at the end, the number flashed up and I'm supposed to memorize that. ah
00:08:57
karenstansfield
So just a little minor care Karen incident in my life the last few weeks here.
00:09:00
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah, that was great. Yeah, that was perfect. I forgot about that. Wow.
00:09:07
karenstansfield
And now that I'm sufficiently embarrassed, let's move forward.
00:09:24
Stephanie Jay
Okay, so I have to open with this before we get started. There is absolutely no way the three of us couldn't cover the topic of dance. because dance is what brought us together.
00:09:35
Stephanie Jay
So the three of us met at the Ohio State University, and we were on the dance team together. And we have been friends ever since on being teammates.
00:09:46
Stephanie Jay
And we continued our love of dance by religiously watching City Thinking and Dance back in the good days, weekly.
00:09:53
Mannikka Rosa
Oh, she said the good things.
00:09:54
karenstansfield
Oh,
00:09:54
Stephanie Jay
just you know was that Was that salty?
00:09:56
karenstansfield
those fighting words.
00:09:58
Stephanie Jay
Or is that the truth?
00:10:00
karenstansfield
I mean, it's not the same.
00:10:00
Mannikka Rosa
I haven't watched in years.
00:10:02
karenstansfield
It's not the same.
00:10:02
Mannikka Rosa
its
00:10:02
Stephanie Jay
in It's not the same. I would say in the first 10 seasons are the best. But anyway, um we have coordinated trips to go to UVA College Nationals to cheer on our alma mater, 11-time national champions.
00:10:17
Stephanie Jay
And, I mean,
00:10:17
karenstansfield
whoop Not when we were there, but. ah
00:10:23
Mannikka Rosa
Cut that out.
00:10:24
Stephanie Jay
so
00:10:29
Stephanie Jay
yeah um
00:10:30
karenstansfield
Sorry.
00:10:31
Stephanie Jay
And so, and as I've mentioned in previous episodes, I am a dance teacher um and have been for 17 years. So dance is just something all three of us are passionate about.
00:10:42
Stephanie Jay
And I can't believe that we're not just going to dedicate two episodes. We're just talking about dance team, but whatever.
00:10:51
karenstansfield
no
00:10:52
Stephanie Jay
So go us, good job.
00:10:52
Mannikka Rosa
We want to keep our audience.
00:10:53
Stephanie Jay
We would like to keep you guys listening. so
00:10:56
karenstansfield
you
00:10:58
Stephanie Jay
So when discussing how we wanted to cover dance, I shared a story
Social Media's Impact on Dance
00:11:00
Stephanie Jay
of when I was at a dance convention. It was many years ago. I'm thinking like 2013 or so. And I was taking class in the teacher room. So that's definitely a long time ago because I don't dance like that anymore.
00:11:13
Stephanie Jay
And um the choreographer who was teaching class, he like paused and you i think I can't remember why. I think maybe the combo he taught was to a song that you would dance to at a family gathering or something. And he was like, have you noticed that kids like don't know what to do with themselves at a barbecue or in a wedding?
00:11:32
Stephanie Jay
Um, they, they don't like dance. And then he like stopped and he was like, whose fault is that? Cause like, we're dance teachers. So like, should, do we need to be bringing up social dances, dance educators? Is that on their parents? Is that their families? Like why, um, don't people, kids in particular, don't know what to do socially when it comes to dancing. And, um, I thought it was such an interesting observation because like my gut is to be like, well, it's social media.
00:12:01
Stephanie Jay
But at the time, like social media really wasn't as prevalent for the young people. like Maybe there was Facebook, which, I mean, young people, if I said Facebook to them right now, would like look at me like I had three heads. oh um it you know i I feel like I want to viscerally say social media, but at the time, it wasn't really a thing.
00:12:23
Stephanie Jay
so um And now I feel like if we're talking about kids now with TikTok, it seems like with all the dance moves and the dance trends and stuff, like they should be dancing socially all the time.
00:12:36
Stephanie Jay
So um like why do we think that they're not really socially dancing? So I just wanted to start with first asking you Karen and Manny, do you remember dancing socially growing up?
00:12:49
Stephanie Jay
Because I do.
00:12:50
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah, that was like a prime moment in my childhood and I think that's why I perpetually live as a 13 year old in my mind.
00:12:51
karenstansfield
Yeah.
00:12:57
Stephanie Jay
and Yes.
00:12:59
Mannikka Rosa
like
00:12:59
karenstansfield
Now, okay, can I ask a question just for clarification, when you say socially?
00:13:04
Stephanie Jay
yes Yes.
00:13:05
karenstansfield
um Are you referring to like, um
00:13:08
Stephanie Jay
Yay.
00:13:11
karenstansfield
like gym class when they teach you how to like do the salsa because I have that memory or are you talking like high school dances where you get in trouble for grinding on each other or both?
00:13:25
Stephanie Jay
Um, I'm talking about like a dance form, a dance floor forming at some social gathering. So informal, socially, like that's what you do to interact with one another.
00:13:33
karenstansfield
ah
00:13:38
Stephanie Jay
Um, is what I'm envisioning because I remember doing that as a kid and ah you know, as a middle school teacher, I've seen middle school dance and that's not what they're doing.
00:13:38
karenstansfield
Yeah, yeah.
00:13:48
Stephanie Jay
So, and I,
00:13:48
karenstansfield
Excellent.
00:13:49
Mannikka Rosa
Well, tell us what are they doing at middle school dance?
00:13:52
Stephanie Jay
Um, they are standing around, um, on their phones, so you know, a little bit. And then when music plays, they just kind of like jump up and down, which I guess that could be dancing, but it's not like the way where like they would play a slow song and then you would hope to get asked to dance dance or like,
00:14:03
Mannikka Rosa
Oh, okay.
00:14:14
Stephanie Jay
You know, i like I remember and when I was in middle school, like no diggity came on and everybody was like, oh, it's like everybody was like, you know, and I know that there's, there's always going to be a pocket of kids who don't dance at a social gathering, but nobody missed a school dance.
00:14:20
karenstansfield
Yes. but Definitely.
00:14:29
Stephanie Jay
And the majority of the kids were out on the floor and the the focus was dancing. I know that my school, they don't even like prioritize
00:14:35
karenstansfield
Yeah.
00:14:39
Stephanie Jay
the dance floor as the dance. Like they they can't, they don't even want to call it a dance. They have different rooms where kids could go and play games instead if they want or like it's not even about like you know just one room.
00:14:53
Mannikka Rosa
a ah I don't know.
00:14:54
Stephanie Jay
Yeah and so it's thank you for the boo because I'm like what happened to You know, and I think I have theories on that. Like I have issues with how we do it because I miss that like middle school dance atmosphere as a middle school educator.
00:15:12
Stephanie Jay
But, um, but yeah, that's what I'm saying is like, they don't even like, that's not even the focus of the event anymore.
00:15:14
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah for sure.
00:15:18
Stephanie Jay
It feels like.
00:15:20
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah, well, I think it's like we've learned, I don't know, maybe we'll get into theories next, but um I guess with what I'm seeing, it's interesting because I don't quite know what this truth is, but on one hand, I see on social media feeds, groups of students screaming at the top of their lungs to Keisha Cole, you know,
00:15:33
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:15:41
karenstansfield
Hmm. Yeah. Yes.
00:15:45
Mannikka Rosa
And I see that or like a Tevin Campbell can we talk and like even I seen um ah videos of kids um Rapping to ah not like us and like knowing like all the like words and like it seems like they're out of social Gathering and they're all crowded together and they're getting hyped for something um So that I'm like, okay, so it's happening somewhere where?
00:16:03
Stephanie Jay
Keep you cool.
00:16:06
Stephanie Jay
Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:08
Mannikka Rosa
And are these like bar and pop mitzvahs like what where are they happening?
00:16:08
Stephanie Jay
Yeah.
00:16:12
Mannikka Rosa
Um, I And then the other is
00:16:13
karenstansfield
Aww.
00:16:15
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:16:15
Mannikka Rosa
um
00:16:17
Mannikka Rosa
that my daughter's school, middle school, only holds like one dance a year. And then they only have like the eighth grade dance arm that they spent a lot of money on to have these areas that Steph is talking about where the focus is away from the dancing.
00:16:30
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm. Sweet.
00:16:34
Mannikka Rosa
And it's like, well, we could save all that money, hire a paraprofessional, another teacher, and just throw on some music and give them some glow sticks.
00:16:34
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:16:38
Stephanie Jay
Get it good.
00:16:40
Stephanie Jay
a Yeah.
00:16:45
Mannikka Rosa
And they would be happy. you know so i so and i don't and And to your point, like I've heard some things of students don't like to dance.
00:16:47
Stephanie Jay
For sure.
00:16:55
Mannikka Rosa
And it's like, well, what came first?
00:16:55
Stephanie Jay
Mmm.
00:16:56
Mannikka Rosa
The chicken or the egg, right? like Did you take away all the dances? Because when I was in school, we used to have a dance like once a month at like the teen club after school.
00:17:01
Stephanie Jay
Mmm.
00:17:04
Mannikka Rosa
We were looking forward to it. It was like this anticipatory event, to your point of like, who's going to ask me to dance when always be my baby comes out?
00:17:10
Stephanie Jay
Yes.
00:17:13
Mannikka Rosa
you not like
00:17:14
karenstansfield
No.
00:17:14
Mannikka Rosa
how that
00:17:15
karenstansfield
oh
00:17:16
Mannikka Rosa
And like I remember last year, Brielle had like her first dance, and I was like, so did you guys smoke it?
00:17:22
karenstansfield
you
00:17:22
Mannikka Rosa
And she's like, ew, mom, cringe. And I was like, that was like young adult romance, like that moment that you're talking about, Steph.
00:17:25
Stephanie Jay
and
00:17:32
Mannikka Rosa
So it's like, I don't know.
00:17:32
Stephanie Jay
yeah
00:17:34
Mannikka Rosa
like Did they stop? um doing these dances as frequently and then the students stopped liking them or did the students stop liking them so therefore they stopped doing them as frequently.
00:17:46
Mannikka Rosa
I think we were in a moment maybe in our 20s and 30s where we weren't around for all that decision making and so maybe that's the blur.
00:17:52
Stephanie Jay
Right, right.
00:17:55
Mannikka Rosa
I'm not sure.
00:17:55
Stephanie Jay
Yeah. Yeah, ah definitely when I was like thinking about this, there was some blur like you just said, and you know, I just turned 40 and I'm a parent of a two year old.
00:18:06
Stephanie Jay
So like, i I don't really, I wasn't. And I wasn't part of that process of seeing it kind of dissipate. I just like should like showed up and saw a change.
00:18:19
Stephanie Jay
And I do, i I guess I should mention, I guess COVID and like we were, you know, having dances.
00:18:23
Mannikka Rosa
Mm.
00:18:24
karenstansfield
a
00:18:26
Stephanie Jay
And so during that time and then like the slow bring back of them. So I'm sure that that might have a little bit to do with this. so I don't want to like leave that out as a possibility, but yeah, I don't know.
00:18:41
Stephanie Jay
Like, hold up.
00:18:42
karenstansfield
I just I just remember dance like being just another part of you know like growing up like i I'm not I um vividly gosh when would it have started maybe middle school maybe be high school but there was gym classes that they taught us some like basic dance skills all all of us it was the entire class you had to pair up you had to learn how to like
00:18:52
Stephanie Jay
and
00:19:05
Stephanie Jay
being
00:19:12
karenstansfield
I don't remember even, I think we did line dancing. I'm pretty sure we learned like the basic salsa, like me that was, I'm like, now I'm questioning, did I remember that correctly?
00:19:19
Mannikka Rosa
Wow, y'all were hip.
00:19:20
Stephanie Jay
Hey. Hey. hey
00:19:22
Mannikka Rosa
I like that square dancing.
00:19:24
Stephanie Jay
We did square dancing too.
00:19:27
karenstansfield
Oh, square dancing, yeah, part of that.
00:19:30
Stephanie Jay
can
00:19:30
karenstansfield
And then also we had the dances where we went to and you know, definitely some kids sat off to the side and like drank pop.
00:19:31
Stephanie Jay
and
00:19:35
Stephanie Jay
Of course.
00:19:39
karenstansfield
I don't and don't remember what. way they
00:19:41
Stephanie Jay
Yeah.
00:19:42
karenstansfield
ate popcorn. I have no idea. And they were uncomfortable with dancing in front of everybody because it can be embarrassing.
00:19:45
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:19:47
karenstansfield
I get that.
00:19:48
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:19:48
karenstansfield
But for the most part, the focus of that night, not even for the most part, most definitively the focus of that night was on the dancing, which boy was going to ask you to slow dance when the slow dance song came on.
00:20:02
karenstansfield
and like then running off with your girlfriends afterwards to giggle about whatever happened while you slow danced awkwardly with the boy that's like boob height when you're in seventh grade and you don't have boobs yet so it doesn't matter but yes
00:20:16
Mannikka Rosa
You're like, come here, let me be your mother.
00:20:20
Stephanie Jay
I think to me, like, I don't know, you know, I don't know, you have a free team, Manny, so maybe you can like fill in the gaps. But like if we, when I think back to middle and early high school, like what we watched on TV also kind of influenced our interest in dances.
00:20:40
Stephanie Jay
I felt like every show had several episodes centered around dances, like Family Matters, Full House, State by the Bell,
00:20:46
Mannikka Rosa
Mm-hmm.
00:20:46
karenstansfield
Absolutely.
00:20:47
Mannikka Rosa
Yes. I remember the scene by the bell of the spring.
00:20:50
karenstansfield
Yes!
00:20:52
Mannikka Rosa
At least the turtle and screech.
00:20:53
karenstansfield
Oh my gosh, saved by the bell.
00:20:56
Mannikka Rosa
They had several dance episodes.
00:20:56
Stephanie Jay
And it seems like it's like what we looked forward to. Like when I got to middle school, it was like that rite of passage that I would get to to go do that.
00:21:01
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah.
00:21:05
Stephanie Jay
And i it's like, is that even a thing?
00:21:09
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah.
00:21:09
Stephanie Jay
Like do kids that that, you know, in seventh and eighth grade want to do that? Do they look forward to it?
00:21:14
Mannikka Rosa
So it's funny, Brielle is rewatching all the shows that we watch. like she rewatched She's rewatching Boy Meets World right now.
00:21:19
Stephanie Jay
I love that show.
00:21:19
karenstansfield
Hmm. Oh my gosh, I love that.
00:21:22
Mannikka Rosa
um
00:21:23
Stephanie Jay
I love that show.
00:21:23
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah. Yeah. So I think that they're into like our stuff. I don't know if it's translating the way that you're saying, um, just because they have so much access to other content and we didn't.
00:21:30
Stephanie Jay
Yeah.
00:21:33
karenstansfield
Man.
00:21:35
Mannikka Rosa
So like, you know, they might be watching it, but then they might also be thinking, okay, but when this song plays, we're going to do the tick tap dance to that.
00:21:42
Stephanie Jay
Right.
00:21:43
karenstansfield
Hmm.
00:21:44
Mannikka Rosa
So because they have access to like other content, you know?
00:21:48
Stephanie Jay
Yeah.
00:21:48
Mannikka Rosa
Um,
00:21:49
Stephanie Jay
Yeah.
00:21:50
Mannikka Rosa
So i don't I don't know. And I think that's kind of how
Joy of Dance Without Phones
00:21:52
Mannikka Rosa
you were like framing this of like whose responsibility is it to teach dancing, social dancing, and has TikTok kind of taken that authority to be the leader in teaching people how to dance.
00:22:04
Stephanie Jay
a
00:22:08
Mannikka Rosa
But i I don't know. I think dance teachers would disagree ah tremendously that like, please don't go to TikTok to learn how to dance. Because you're not on rhythm.
00:22:18
Stephanie Jay
Oh, please don't.
00:22:20
Mannikka Rosa
And you're not on beat.
00:22:20
Stephanie Jay
okay
00:22:21
Mannikka Rosa
um So I don't know. I was also thinking about how we held um a party. We did a surprise party for one of Brielle's friends last May. um She was coming up on the year anniversary of her mother passing, and it was also close to Mother's Day.
00:22:39
Mannikka Rosa
and um and it was her birthday. So a bunch of moms and I got together and we threw her a surprise party with just her girlfriends. There were about 25 to 30 girls and we went to a friend studio space. She has like a yoga space and we decorated it with disco balls and stuff. And um I was a DJ and I was playing all these songs, Backstreet Boys, Madonna,
00:23:01
Mannikka Rosa
um ah dancing queen is that I don't know I was playing all these old songs and they knew all of them and they were full of so much joy and not a one of them was on their phone and they were dancing and then there was this one moment where we taught them the soul train and we're like okay you go over here you go over here And like me and another mom were like going down.
00:23:08
karenstansfield
Hmm. Aww.
00:23:12
Stephanie Jay
Oh.
00:23:21
Mannikka Rosa
We're like, this is how you do it. You know, I'm like, you go down with a partner. And then they like love do they, we had to stop because we had to sing happy birthday, but they love do.
00:23:25
karenstansfield
Oh.
00:23:26
Stephanie Jay
um Oh.
00:23:29
Mannikka Rosa
They're like, can we do the soul train again? You know, so they're great.
00:23:31
karenstansfield
Oh.
00:23:32
Stephanie Jay
Yeah.
00:23:33
Mannikka Rosa
They're open to it. They loved it. It was a wonderful night.
00:23:35
Stephanie Jay
Yeah.
00:23:36
Mannikka Rosa
It was so much fun. I was like, is this what being a fairy godmother feels like?
00:23:41
karenstansfield
ah
00:23:41
Mannikka Rosa
ah
00:23:42
karenstansfield
a
00:23:43
Mannikka Rosa
um
00:23:44
karenstansfield
That
00:23:45
Mannikka Rosa
I was just gonna say my niece, Maya had a going away party a couple of weeks ago and she's just turned 27 and her and her friends all came over and we partied. We partied, it was like the cookout and we did it, you know?
00:23:53
Stephanie Jay
Yeah.
00:23:55
Mannikka Rosa
And the kids all watch it.
00:23:55
Stephanie Jay
yeah
00:23:57
Mannikka Rosa
every It was a big dance party. So to your point, I think it's all about being like intentional in your and your gatherings. And I think people are craving that, you know?
00:24:04
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
00:24:07
Mannikka Rosa
I don't know. i but Let's take it back, you know? And just like, and maybe it's up to the adults to be the vulnerable ones to go out there and bust a move and show the kids that it's okay to like move your body like this and be silly and and have fun.
00:24:10
Stephanie Jay
For sure.
00:24:11
karenstansfield
Hmm.
00:24:21
Mannikka Rosa
I don't and don't know.
00:24:22
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:24:22
Mannikka Rosa
What do you guys think?
00:24:24
Stephanie Jay
Well, I was thinking the dance teacher who, like the choreographer who I was taking that classroom who brought it up, he is Latino.
Cultural Influence on Dance
00:24:32
Stephanie Jay
And I'm Jamaican, and like my family, when we get together, does turn on music and dance.
00:24:39
Stephanie Jay
like That's a part of how we gather and celebrate. And so like when he was saying that, he like he was like, do you think it's... our responsibility, do you think it's the families? But I feel like he was like, um my family taught me how to do that.
00:24:53
Stephanie Jay
So, you know, and so I don't know if that's part of it. And I'm thinking to like, even my own wedding was um adults only. And so we're not really taking kids to weddings and stuff like we don't really have as many
00:25:04
karenstansfield
Hmm.
00:25:08
Stephanie Jay
Um, events like that to like take kids to, um, as families, but that's why schools should have dances and where it's like, um,
00:25:17
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah.
00:25:17
karenstansfield
Yeah.
00:25:19
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah.
00:25:20
Stephanie Jay
um and like, uh, PS were in the thick of homecoming season. So like all my dancers have like homecomings and stuff. And I don't know what the high school homecomings look like, you know, so maybe they are dancing now that it's a little more cool to do.
00:25:31
Mannikka Rosa
yeah
00:25:35
Stephanie Jay
Um, but I just. had such fond memories of my middle school years, seventh, eighth grade, where school like was where you got to show off and dance.
00:25:47
Stephanie Jay
And it's just so weird that like my, the student council person's like, okay, we should have cornhole and we should have um like.
00:25:58
Stephanie Jay
And I'm literally like, no, trap them in a room, turn on some music and let them dance.
00:25:58
karenstansfield
ah
00:26:04
karenstansfield
Yes.
00:26:05
Mannikka Rosa
Put some glow in the dark blooms up on the wall, give them some glow sticks.
00:26:08
Stephanie Jay
Mm-hmm.
00:26:10
Mannikka Rosa
They'll have a blast.
00:26:10
karenstansfield
Yeah, make it dark enough so people feel safe that they can bust a move without being well seen.
00:26:16
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:18
Stephanie Jay
Well, I have another thought.
00:26:18
karenstansfield
Let them figure this out.
00:26:20
Stephanie Jay
Because, Minikia, you brought up the fact that like if they heard um a song, they would want to do a TikTok dance to it.
TikTok and Dance Trends
00:26:28
Stephanie Jay
And i Karen, you actually said that reel of like the difference between teens today and teens
00:26:35
Mannikka Rosa
Thank
00:26:38
Stephanie Jay
When we were teens, I identified hard too to describe it.
00:26:39
karenstansfield
Oh my gosh, she yes. I identified hard with that video.
00:26:46
Stephanie Jay
There's like these like super polished, beautiful teenage girls doing some tick-knock-tock dance to I think like Megan Thee Stallion or something like that. And then it cuts to these two girls in a bedroom dancing to NSYNC pop with the original choreography.
00:27:02
Mannikka Rosa
you.
00:27:04
Stephanie Jay
And I did. And you know,
00:27:06
karenstansfield
If you could call it that, yeah.
00:27:08
Stephanie Jay
braces, like big baggy sweatshirts, on a can corner.
00:27:10
karenstansfield
Clearly recorded on a camcorder.
00:27:13
Mannikka Rosa
Okay.
00:27:14
Stephanie Jay
And so I had some thoughts because the the current video with the TikTok was edited. The girls looked flawless. The choreography was short.
00:27:25
Stephanie Jay
It was just like a little snippet. But the part with the two girls in the bedroom and like what, 2000 like flat, was wrong.
00:27:33
karenstansfield
Yeah.
00:27:34
Stephanie Jay
like That video was wrong because we learned the choreography for the whole song. We weren't thinking about whether we were going to post it, how to keep someone's attention. It was all about the production quality um for the team, like the fresh, like the current teams, but that wasn't what it was about for us.
00:27:53
Stephanie Jay
like We wanted to know every step. We learned the whole three-minute and 30-second song.
00:27:59
karenstansfield
Mm-hmm.
00:27:59
Stephanie Jay
and I was thinking too about like the front-facing camera. like The girls had to have seen themselves and known what they looked like, but like we've set up a camcorder on a tripod.
00:28:07
karenstansfield
a And hope for the best.
00:28:10
Stephanie Jay
like We don't know, what we looked they just hope for the best. and we're like that you know It's just like this um pressure, I feel like, to look a certain way because you know that posted or it didn't happen kind of thing mentality too.
00:28:14
Mannikka Rosa
Hmm.
00:28:22
Mannikka Rosa
Hmm.
00:28:26
Stephanie Jay
because like I remember I went to when I taught eighth grade, I went to DC with right my kids and they had a quote unquote dance, the same thing, like they were just standing around and like w rustling each other around, that was weird.
00:28:41
Stephanie Jay
But um all of the chaperones as teachers like wanted to dance, like they had a DJ who was playing good songs and I did dance because I can't help myself, okay?
00:28:46
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah.
00:28:51
Stephanie Jay
And kids whip out their phones and start videoing
00:28:55
karenstansfield
Oh,
00:28:57
Stephanie Jay
And so we have to, we're like take the video, delete the video, put the phones away. And so I just wonder too, if that's part of it is like, no matter what you do, like someone's going to catch your own video and like, there's just like that, you know, I don't know.
00:29:09
karenstansfield
um that makes me so sad for, that makes me super sad for kids today, because cause i can I can recall very vividly
00:29:12
Stephanie Jay
Like what do you think about that? this's just just
00:29:18
Mannikka Rosa
the
00:29:23
karenstansfield
being very nervous and embarrassed to dance and then like taking a long time to like warm up and you know everyone's dancing and I'm like slowly getting some confidence to like break in there if anybody at that time had a video recorder video recorder
00:29:30
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:29:38
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:29:43
karenstansfield
I'm 75 years old, you guys. But if anybody was recording that, there is no way in hell I would have danced because it was already very, like, stressful for me, you know, because I didn't want to look silly.
00:29:47
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:29:58
karenstansfield
I wanted to fit in and I wanted to look cool or whatever. And like, I had to work up a lot of courage, which
00:30:02
Mannikka Rosa
Mm.
00:30:06
karenstansfield
In hindsight, like I just think that is an important part of like kind of becoming you know a grown person of putting yourself a little bit outside of your comfort zone and interacting with people in a way that you don't normally interact.
00:30:12
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:30:18
karenstansfield
like I just think, gosh, oh i I feel like they need to start banning cell phones at these dances and just letting kids be kids.
00:30:24
Stephanie Jay
Yeah. Mm hmm.
00:30:28
Mannikka Rosa
I think um that i this is all, you know, making me realize just how vulnerable dancing is.
00:30:34
Stephanie Jay
Yeah.
00:30:38
Mannikka Rosa
And just it's kind of making me appreciate that we have this superpower, this gift to be able to hear rhythm and sound and match our body to it in a way that not the average person can do.
00:30:47
karenstansfield
Mm hmm.
00:30:54
karenstansfield
Mm hmm.
00:30:55
Stephanie Jay
Yeah.
00:30:57
Mannikka Rosa
And I think that helped me actually be more confident in middle school. Maybe that's why I liked it, you know, um because it was like a gift that I had that I didn't really realize I had.
00:31:02
Stephanie Jay
Yes. Yeah.
00:31:11
Mannikka Rosa
and it But the thing is, I didn't care if you couldn't dance either. I just wanted every everyone out there to have a good time.
00:31:17
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:31:21
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:31:21
Mannikka Rosa
It didn't really matter to me.
00:31:21
karenstansfield
Mm-hmm Mm
00:31:24
Mannikka Rosa
I just wanted everyone showing kind of their personality you know and how the music touched them in that way.
00:31:27
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:31:28
karenstansfield
-hmm
00:31:31
Mannikka Rosa
um
00:31:31
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:31:32
Mannikka Rosa
But to go to the point about the camcorders, it's making me think about our concept of the audience
Audience: Interaction vs. Performance
00:31:40
Mannikka Rosa
and how, I don't know, there was this gif that or this reel that I think I sent, I don't know if I sent you guys, but I know I sent my friend Tara.
00:31:40
Stephanie Jay
oh
00:31:48
Mannikka Rosa
and it's um
00:31:51
Mannikka Rosa
Viola Davis and she's in the help and she's like crying and it's like playing the Titanic music and it's like me on my way to work because I was too shy to dance on social media in 2020. it like
00:32:05
Mannikka Rosa
yeah
00:32:05
Stephanie Jay
Yes.
00:32:08
Mannikka Rosa
it's like a you know like that like you know what I'm talking about and I'm thinking about that in this regard of like the reason why we spent five minutes dancing or learning the choreography is because
00:32:12
Stephanie Jay
I've seen that. Yes.
00:32:24
Mannikka Rosa
having an actual audience see it felt so unattainable.
00:32:25
Stephanie Jay
Mmm.
00:32:28
Mannikka Rosa
Like that felt like super stardom, you know?
00:32:29
karenstansfield
Hmm.
00:32:30
Stephanie Jay
Mmm.
00:32:32
Mannikka Rosa
We're like, to these kids, it's like, no, we actually might be able to be TikTok famous, you know?
00:32:36
Stephanie Jay
Okay.
00:32:37
karenstansfield
Ah.
00:32:37
Mannikka Rosa
So like, they have to go up.
00:32:39
Mannikka Rosa
But for us, I was still in my imagination. I was still up here pretending, right? But for them, it's not pretend.
00:32:46
Stephanie Jay
Okay.
00:32:46
Mannikka Rosa
For them, it's like,
00:32:47
karenstansfield
Yeah.
00:32:48
Mannikka Rosa
a possibility that they might be able to commodify this. And like for me, it was just like, oh, one day, like superstardom.
00:32:56
Stephanie Jay
see
00:32:56
Mannikka Rosa
So I don't know if that conversation like around audience shifts things too.
00:33:03
karenstansfield
Gosh, it's just reason number 3047 why children should not have social media. Like it's just, it breaks my heart for them.
00:33:09
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:33:11
karenstansfield
They just don't have, they don't get to be kids the way that I feel like we got to be kids.
00:33:11
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:33:17
karenstansfield
And I'm sure our parents said that about us too, compared to their generation, but it does feel good.
00:33:18
Stephanie Jay
Yeah. Oh, first. Mm hmm.
00:33:23
Stephanie Jay
Well, just even the fact.
00:33:23
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah.
00:33:26
Stephanie Jay
Even the fact that you were even using the word audience when we were really talking about dancing socially at a party, like.
00:33:34
karenstansfield
Mm hmm.
00:33:34
Stephanie Jay
You know, when you're dancing at a party, it's not an audience.
00:33:37
karenstansfield
Mm
00:33:38
Stephanie Jay
We're communicating. Like, why are we talking?
00:33:41
karenstansfield
hmm.
00:33:41
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah.
00:33:42
Stephanie Jay
You know what I mean? But that's their that's their world. it's that It's a show. and And so it kind of hinders the vulnerability to just be free.
00:33:46
Mannikka Rosa
yeah
00:33:48
karenstansfield
Mm
00:33:52
Stephanie Jay
And we have freedom at their age.
00:33:53
karenstansfield
hmm.
00:33:57
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah. And it's making me, it's funny that we're talking about it right now too, as the VMAs just happened.
00:33:57
Stephanie Jay
That's a sad thing.
00:34:02
Stephanie Jay
oh
00:34:03
Mannikka Rosa
Like I have not watched a video music. ah ah What is it? A music video in decades, right?
00:34:08
karenstansfield
nope
00:34:11
Mannikka Rosa
And so like, I think part of that too, learning those things like that, I saw on your note step, you had like TRL, like like that was our culture back then.
00:34:11
Stephanie Jay
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:20
Mannikka Rosa
It's like video, like music videos, right?
00:34:20
Stephanie Jay
yeah
00:34:22
Mannikka Rosa
Like that's where we were trying to go. So there was more like concept around what we were doing. So when you're saying like the dances are shorter, like it's because there's no, like they don't have that whole music video i idea of like a
00:34:30
karenstansfield
Nope.
00:34:35
karenstansfield
Mm hmm.
00:34:36
Mannikka Rosa
and and like the dancers and like the singer and like the whole element around it and I think that that's like kind of also part of this shift with like when we're thinking about it and we're thinking about the music that's being played like remember I said at Brielle's friend's party we play I played Backstreet Boys I played Madonna I didn't play anything if I played like Taylor Swift or Olivia Rodrigo that's when they were jumping up and down and yelling but they weren't dancing
00:35:00
Stephanie Jay
fail
00:35:00
karenstansfield
Yeah.
00:35:02
Mannikka Rosa
Right?
00:35:02
Stephanie Jay
a
00:35:02
Mannikka Rosa
So like the nature of music has also kind of changed so that they don't, how would they know how to socially do or do what we were doing because they don't have the same equipment that we do.
00:35:03
karenstansfield
yeah
00:35:08
Stephanie Jay
yeah
00:35:13
karenstansfield
Mm-hmm.
Music's Influence on Dance
00:35:17
Stephanie Jay
Even with all these steps and moves.
00:35:21
Mannikka Rosa
The steps in what? What was the last part?
00:35:23
Stephanie Jay
The steps and the moves like I feel like they have all these like moves and trends and stuff but it doesn't translate to like connecting in a real way.
00:35:24
Mannikka Rosa
Oh, right.
00:35:31
karenstansfield
but it's not asking it's not asking them to feel the music, right?
00:35:37
Stephanie Jay
a
00:35:37
karenstansfield
It's just giving them like an eight count to memorize and then perform an eight count or two.
00:35:44
Stephanie Jay
Right.
00:35:45
karenstansfield
So it's not actually asking you to connect with the music in any way individually.
00:35:49
Stephanie Jay
her Or each other.
00:35:51
karenstansfield
So yeah, like I i like I can see how kids who are tick tock dancing.
00:35:58
Stephanie Jay
if
00:35:58
karenstansfield
So it's such an old lady. Like I can see how they show up to a dance and they're like, what exactly you do you want me to do here? Like, They're like five, six, seven, eight, and I'm done.
00:36:07
Stephanie Jay
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:10
karenstansfield
I got no other moves, you know?
00:36:12
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah.
00:36:13
karenstansfield
And just, ah yeah, again, it just kind of makes me sad for them.
00:36:14
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah.
00:36:16
karenstansfield
I feel like those were such pivotal years for me.
00:36:19
Stephanie Jay
Mmhmm.
00:36:20
karenstansfield
um And I have such good memories. we I'm sure I've mentioned this to you guys before, maybe even on the podcast, but in my town growing up the city like bought this little house that was like I don't know probably foreclosed or something in hindsight but like they converted it into like this teen it was called the house like it was just a little gathering space where teens could go and like play pool or foosball or whatever and it was ah I have like very fond memories of this place but
00:36:50
karenstansfield
I think it was like maybe once a month on a Friday or something they would have like a dance and they would just play great music of what you're describing Manny. And I remember this boy that I had the biggest crush on asking me to dance at one of these little dances.
00:37:04
Stephanie Jay
Mm-hmm.
00:37:06
karenstansfield
And it was the first time I can recall like
00:37:09
Mannikka Rosa
Hmm.
00:37:09
karenstansfield
literally dancing in front of other people besides maybe my best friend and I was panicked and then it got out that like I knew how to dance and then I was like oh my god I'm so cool like it was such a it was such a moment for me it was like very I vividly remember this of just like a turning point in my I don't know confidence and
00:37:14
Stephanie Jay
Mm-hmm.
00:37:34
karenstansfield
It was yeah, I it just makes me sad that kids, kids don't have that poor things.
00:37:39
Stephanie Jay
Mm-hmm.
00:37:39
karenstansfield
They got to find another way.
00:37:42
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah. And who knows, maybe they are like really, maybe this is fulfilling them, you know, like, I don't um know, you know, like maybe, maybe it is fulfilling them.
00:37:47
Stephanie Jay
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:50
Mannikka Rosa
And like you said, you know, our parents probably had similar conversations, you know, about our generation.
00:37:56
karenstansfield
Hmm.
00:37:57
Mannikka Rosa
I can't believe they're not wearing poodle skirts and doing them, doing them up.
00:37:58
karenstansfield
Yeah.
00:37:58
Stephanie Jay
Yeah. Mm.
00:38:03
Stephanie Jay
yeah
00:38:04
karenstansfield
Oh my gosh, poodle skirts, I don't think our parents are that old. I don't know, maybe they are.
00:38:11
Stephanie Jay
yeah
00:38:12
Mannikka Rosa
My mom was wearing a poodle skirt. It's like, I don't know.
00:38:14
karenstansfield
Yeah?
00:38:14
Stephanie Jay
yeah
00:38:15
Mannikka Rosa
I don't know.
00:38:16
karenstansfield
Oh, I was like, I don't think that time wing works out.
00:38:20
Mannikka Rosa
Oh, gosh. What is that, the 50s?
00:38:22
Stephanie Jay
Well, I think that was the 50s.
00:38:24
Mannikka Rosa
40s, 30s? When is poodle skirts?
00:38:25
karenstansfield
yeah
00:38:26
Mannikka Rosa
50s?
00:38:27
Stephanie Jay
50s, I think.
00:38:27
Mannikka Rosa
Huh?
00:38:28
Stephanie Jay
I think poodle squirts are 50s.
00:38:29
Mannikka Rosa
My mom was wearing a poodle skirt. Yeah, my mom was wearing old plu scar a Came out the womb in a poodle skirt.
00:38:33
Stephanie Jay
specific
00:38:34
karenstansfield
Okay,
00:38:36
Mannikka Rosa
Just kidding.
00:38:39
karenstansfield
before before we wrap, I do have one more reel that I saw that I have to share because, and I'll find it and I'll send it to you guys. It was like ah similarly along these lines, the caption was something like um how we got down in the club in the 90s or something.
00:38:55
karenstansfield
And it was like a woman dancing to probably ah no diggity or something.
00:38:58
Stephanie Jay
Mm-hmm.
00:39:01
karenstansfield
and then like a man from across the room starts like dancing his way over like awkwardly getting closer and then they like lock eyes and make a decision on whether he's allowed to like touch her and continue to dance and I'm like that was college man.
00:39:06
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah.
00:39:06
Stephanie Jay
a
00:39:14
Stephanie Jay
Mm.
00:39:18
Stephanie Jay
That was it. That was it right there.
00:39:21
karenstansfield
It summed it up so beautifully. Like this awkward, weird interaction where you're like grinding on someone that you've never spoken a word to in your life and you're like staring at your friends like, do I let this happen?
00:39:26
Stephanie Jay
Oh my god.
00:39:32
karenstansfield
Do I walk away? What are we doing here? I just hope kids have random experiences like that in a safe, consensual way.
00:39:41
Stephanie Jay
In a safe, consensual,
00:39:46
karenstansfield
But anywho, sorry, back to you Steph.
Podcast Closing Reflections
00:39:49
Stephanie Jay
Well, with that, I will ask if um either of you have something to share in our confessional, like a takeaway i'll or thoughts or feelings or way your opinions changed at all about social dancing amongst the young.
00:40:04
karenstansfield
Yeah.
00:40:06
karenstansfield
I think the big thing for me that I hadn't considered was the fact that um there is the chance that kids are going to be recorded at any point in time in their lives.
00:40:19
karenstansfield
And so the decisions that they make day to day are quite different as a result.
00:40:19
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:40:24
karenstansfield
And
00:40:25
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:40:26
karenstansfield
ah In some ways, I'm sure it's just the way that they're used to living. And so they don't think anything different of it. But from our perspective and not having that as children, it does make me sad that it feels a little bit like they're being robbed of ah their creativity or just their like authenticity.
00:40:45
Stephanie Jay
Yeah.
00:40:45
karenstansfield
So that was a big aha for me and how everything comes back to social media.
00:40:48
Stephanie Jay
Mm hmm.
00:40:51
Stephanie Jay
Yeah.
00:40:52
Mannikka Rosa
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I echo all that and like your, your point stuff.
00:40:55
Stephanie Jay
Mm
00:40:57
Mannikka Rosa
I think you said it like, you know, record it, post it or it didn't happen, you know, kind of thing.
00:41:01
Stephanie Jay
-hmm.
00:41:01
karenstansfield
Mm hmm.
00:41:01
Mannikka Rosa
And it's like, you know, can we, I don't know. Can we, you know, it's funny to come full circle, but maybe, maybe that Mexico Karen was right. Can you just be present and enjoy it?
00:41:12
Stephanie Jay
Oh,
00:41:12
karenstansfield
Oh, yeah.
00:41:12
Stephanie Jay
no!
00:41:15
Stephanie Jay
oh no
00:41:19
karenstansfield
Oh, my God.
00:41:21
Stephanie Jay
Baby!
00:41:22
karenstansfield
Oh, Mexico, Karen, for the win.
00:41:24
Stephanie Jay
I'm dying.
00:41:28
Mannikka Rosa
Oh, God.
00:41:29
Stephanie Jay
Good lord.
00:41:30
karenstansfield
All right, on that note.
00:41:33
Stephanie Jay
ah
00:42:00
Stephanie Jay
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