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Episode 124- The Mandalorian Recap Season 3 Episode 4
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Welcome to The GALactic Podcast! In this episode, Andrea and Lauren chat about The Mandalorian Season 3 Episode 4! The Return of Ahmed Best! Does the Armorer believe Bo? Why don't they move? They talk these topics and much more Go listen and enjoy!
Reminder to rate and review where available! And as always, May that force be with you!
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Introductions and Podcast Overview
00:00:09
Speaker
Well, hello, everyone, and welcome to the glad podcast. I'm Lauren Romo with me, as always, is my cousin and fellow nerd, Andrea Gutierrez. This is the way. This is the way, damn it. Damn it. We love Star Wars. We love Star Wars here, people. Sorry. Call me a shill. Call me what you want. This is the way. This is the way, man. I love Star Wars. This is good stuff.
00:00:36
Speaker
What's going on, Ang? Oh, you know, just living that BTS stan life.
00:00:42
Speaker
Usually I talk about it at the end of the show, but God, Jimin just came out with an album and performances and I'm like, God, I just love that guy.
Star Wars and Mandalorian Focus
00:00:50
Speaker
I was, I will say I was watching his interview with Jimmy Fallon. It was good. I liked it. Yeah. He's so cute. It was fun. It's kind of hard like watching, knowing he doesn't speak English well and knowing that he did pretty like he did do good. Yeah. Yeah. That's the best he's ever done out of all of them. He probably struggles the most with English. So it was like, Oh my God.
00:01:10
Speaker
I heard it's not to get off topic, but I heard that from a fan that was there said that there was a part where he actually like stopped Jimmy and he was like, I don't understand English. And Jimmy was like, I know, man, don't worry. He's like, I got you and like held his hand and they like continued. So I think that's cool. That's cool. That's cool. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. Good on Jimmy Fallon then. Look at that. Yeah. All right. That's the first of the BTS recaps. We'll probably hit it up at the end. We are a Star Wars podcast.
00:01:41
Speaker
Yes, kids, if you didn't know, we are going to be talking about the Mandalorian episode four of season three, the foundling. But before we get into all that good stuff, this is your first time listening to us. Welcome. We are a Star Wars podcast that discuss anything and everything within that galaxy far,
Season Expectations and Narrative Teasers
00:01:58
Speaker
far away. Each episode, we will dive into one or two topics and have a general discussion on them. Topics could be movies, TV series, books, comics, a specific character, you name it. And we talk about it. All right, Ange.
00:02:11
Speaker
We are halfway through the season. I believe, as far as I know, we are, it's eight episodes. That's what I heard. Yeah. We're halfway. This is the halfway point. We have seen a majority of trailer stuff. There's not all though. Nope. We, I'm a suit again. This is my assumption. Like I said last week, I thought we would get all of it in episode four, but we didn't. So I'm assuming next episode we will get to the Navarro pirate stuff and then.
00:02:41
Speaker
Episode six seven eight will be sight unseen and I'm very excited about that But yeah, we got a big stuff this
Episode Analysis and Character Development
00:02:49
Speaker
week. I mean just lore You know flashbacks of Grogu we got a lot it was a really good episode I enjoyed it and kick us off though as we always do overall thoughts opinions feelings and
00:03:04
Speaker
Viewing, how'd you go? How'd you feel? I didn't work that day, so I got to wake up. You didn't have to watch it while you're out during that week. So I watched it at home, and I loved every second of it. I was. Oh my God. I just love Grogu, man. I love his face. I love his little waddles. I just love him. Yeah.
00:03:27
Speaker
So that was great. The development around Bo Katan, the interaction with the armor was really great.
00:03:37
Speaker
Uh, Paz Vizsla has a kid. Right, right. I'm at best was the Jedi that saved Grogu. How awesome was that? That was great. It was just a feel good episode, honestly. And, um, everybody, I know right before everyone had found out that it was only 31 minutes and people are like, why are they doing that? But honestly, it was a packed 31 minutes and every, every part of it was had, had momentum and moved us along and it was really great. I loved it.
00:04:07
Speaker
Yeah, no, it moved along for me like it again, if. When they do the thing, you know, I've said this before, when they do the thing, they do the thing, they do it well. They're doing the thing. And it, it flies by. Right. I mean, cause you are so engaged with the episode that you, right. I mean, just, it flies by and so much stuff was
Comparing Storytelling Styles
00:04:30
Speaker
in there. I mean, like you said, Grogu order 66, we get that.
00:04:35
Speaker
We get Grogu training, which was so adorable. We get Bo-Katan and her story developing, which is fascinating to me. I love that character. You and I both love that character. So it's fascinating to see what she's going through. And yeah, you know, didn't, didn't kind of, didn't, Dejarn did take a little bit of a backseat in this episode in a way, but like it's still called a Mandalorian and we're with
00:05:03
Speaker
Mandalorian so I mean it works for me I Love it the visuals were good. You know a lot of cool again creatures that we see Just a fun Star Wars episode like this isn't and we were talking about this right before we were recording But this isn't an episode of like Andor right where Andor was serious stuff you and I talked about that when Andor was on and
00:05:27
Speaker
Yeah, heavy, heavy dialogue, heavy performance. It was just a different, it's a different vibe. It was a different vibe, a different way of storytelling that a lot of people liked, us
Fandom Dynamics and Media Appreciation
00:05:39
Speaker
included. We loved Andor.
00:05:42
Speaker
And I think if I remember correctly, Andrew, when we first started this season, you even had to be like, okay, switch the and or brain off. Oh yeah. Because again, this is just, it's a different way of storytelling. This show that this show does, right? It is literally Dave Filoni, Jon Favreau playing in a sandbox with freaking Star Wars toys.
00:06:06
Speaker
You can't get more playing with Star Wars toys than creatures coming in every couple seconds and taking people away. I mean, that is playing with your toys in the sandbox. Right, right. So, I mean, you know, then having Mandalorians like, you know, traverse up a cliff and all that. I mean, that brings you back to childhood when you had those figures, right? And climbing up like furniture or whatever. Like, it's just, it's just what we did. So yeah.
00:06:35
Speaker
It's a different way of Star Wars storytelling. It is. And it is. It's vastly different than Andor. And that's not a knock on this show or Andor. Like both shows, in my opinion, are great. And they're vastly, but they're vastly different though too, right?
00:06:56
Speaker
But there's a reason for that. I don't get the point of comparing the two. I agree. I agree. I mean, I get the point of saying like, whoa, I kind of have to mind shift.
00:07:07
Speaker
to like, I have to turn this part of my brain off to like this part. I get that but I just don't get comparing the two. They're not comparable whatsoever. I don't even get comparing and or to Obi-Wan. I don't know why we constantly need to put the latest Star Wars media against the one that came prior. Like what is that all about? You know, it's kind of nice that the Bad Batch is just kind of on its own and competing against
00:07:35
Speaker
itself, which is interesting, but I just don't get it. Everybody had moments where they didn't like Obi-Wan and then Andor came along and they had moments they didn't like Andor, but then they liked Obi-Wan better. It just keeps doing this vicious, nasty cycle. I mean, people want to change their minds. They want to sit at home and think about it a little bit longer and say, you know what? Maybe this isn't for me cool.
Cultural Connections and Discourse
00:08:02
Speaker
That's valid. That's valid. I understand that. And I can understand the adrenaline and the hype you have when you're first watching that, taking you away from the way your brain translates things or enjoys things or anything like that. But I don't know. The discourse, it's whatever.
00:08:26
Speaker
Like you said, when we were talking earlier, you're like, am I wrong? Like, am I am I like the bad fan for just like, just enjoying something that's just right fun? Like, am I? And no, I don't know. We're not. We're just I don't know. We just go with the flow. Right. What we like. I it's interesting because again,
00:08:50
Speaker
Like you just said, it's a cycle of Star Wars fandom and that's a whole different obviously podcast and topic, but it's weird to me. How people can, like you're saying, just, they want to compare and contrast, which is fine. That's, that's part of, part of being a fan. You always, you want to compare things and, you know,
00:09:15
Speaker
see what's better or what's not or the differences. I get it. That's just part of, part of the culture, part of the, you know, movie review space. Right. But I think there's a way in, if you really want to hear this in a deeper detail,
00:09:38
Speaker
I would recommend everybody listening to Ken Nepps.
Mandalorian Culture and Audience Engagement
00:09:41
Speaker
I guess this is a small plug for him, but his show called The Blathering, where he's by himself. He just talks about maybe the topic of the week or whatever. And he was talking about kind of movie reviews, this kind of space. And there's his...
00:10:00
Speaker
Again, I'm super paraphrasing everything that he says, but what it boils down to is it's how people express those opinions or express those feelings, right? Because you can express them in a way where it invites conversation, invites discussion, right? And that's good, right? Because that's how it should be. But then there's ways, but then people do it in ways where they are just,
00:10:30
Speaker
My opinion is right. Yours is wrong. You know, and then they just want to fight about it. They just look for fights. They want to start fights. And it's just like, that's just not, it's just, it's just, and that's not just with Star Wars. It's with a lot of fandoms, right? I mean, you can go to any fandom. Music, you know, movie, whatever, right? I mean, there's fandoms and everything. And there's always discourse, but it's just weird to me how
00:11:00
Speaker
people will just want to rip something apart just so they can feel superior almost in a way. It's a weird thing. And I know Andrew before we record, you said you wanted to bring something up too. I think was it around this kind of topic? What you
Grogu's Training and Mandalorian Life
00:11:18
Speaker
got?
00:11:18
Speaker
Well, we were kind of talking about like, maybe people just don't connect with the Mandalorian lore, right? Maybe. Yeah. Maybe it's the Mandalorian way of life that people just aren't connecting with, because honestly. The culture of the society, right. The culture of the society, what they stand for. Which is valid. Which is cool, because honestly, when this episode opened up, and they're all on the beach fighting each other, I for a minute was like, ugh, I don't want Grogu growing up in this.
00:11:47
Speaker
Honestly, I agree. That's exactly how I felt. But then I like stopped and I was like, well, you know, the Jedi, they, they.
00:11:55
Speaker
they practiced battle and things like that too. And I was like, right. So then I was like, Oh, I don't know. But that was my initial thought when they, and then, and then that shot of him just sitting there in the middle and then knowing that there were live creatures, hermit crabs all around him. What an excellent foreshadow. I'm thinking to what his impact is going to be with creatures going forward. And later in this series and maybe in the season,
00:12:25
Speaker
But I don't know, I like Mandalorian culture, but the fighting of it, I'm a little like, oh, maybe it's too much for Grogu, right? But maybe not. But I love the way Mandalorians look, right? I love the aesthetic of them. I hate that word, but I like the aesthetic of them. I think it's so cool.
00:12:47
Speaker
And I do like the children of the watch. I don't get turned off by their rules and things like that. I kind of appreciate them at times. I can find myself comparing them to religion, but then I have to remember that I don't think that's what the
00:13:08
Speaker
The content creators and the artists are trying to display i don't think so yet let's wait and see what happens with this group but i don't think this is a lesson in what happens when you join organized.
00:13:24
Speaker
factions of a belief, right? I just, I don't think we're there yet. And if we are cool, but for right now, no, I think, I think we're just going back to the story of sometimes traditions make people stronger, make groups of people stronger and build community. And that's what we're seeing. Well said. I totally agree. I think it is hard because again, you can get those vibes just like you're saying, right?
00:13:52
Speaker
You can get the vibes of like, culty, whatever. 100%. And it's totally understandable where people can see that, for sure. I don't know where I stand with them, because I have, it changes, right? Because you, the more you're learning, right? The more that we are learning about this side of Mandalorian. And we're doing it with Bo-Katan, by the way. We're going through the journey with her.
00:14:22
Speaker
And like, you know, her apprehension, right? We felt that in like season two, right? When she, when she realized Din was part of the children of the watch and she had her like remarks, right? And so did her two friends. But now that we are in this, this part of the culture, this creed, right? The, the creed that they follow so vehemently, Bo Katan is
00:14:52
Speaker
starting to understand stuff, you know, she's starting to understand their perspectives on things and, you know, how they have survived and why they keep surviving or why they keep following this way, the way, right? As, as they say, and she's even starting to believe in what we'll get into, you know, Boaktan later on, but yeah, it's, it's a funny thing, I think for,
00:15:21
Speaker
But it's not, I don't want to say a funny thing, but it's just very interesting how people, you know, are seeing what they are presenting, right? And they do feel, and I, I'm 100% with you. I do. I think of Grogu like, I don't want him to grow up that in this way, in this way. And honestly, I think that's maybe part
Exploring Mandalorian Lore
00:15:47
Speaker
of the journey. You and I have talked about it before.
00:15:50
Speaker
I think this is gonna be part of what Dan's journey is is maybe realizing this isn't how he wants Grogu to grow up Even though he's so he was about it, right? Yeah, Oh 100% right cuz this is the way he has He was raised right? This is this is the way he is only that he only knows But I feel like something will happen To where that clashes right because of something with Grogu. That's just my again
00:16:20
Speaker
That's just my, my initial reactions or my thoughts on where I think this story might go. Right. It's just fascinating. I again, yeah, I just like you, Ang. I love Mandalorians. I love the culture, the society, the whole like kind of mystery behind it. Right. Because before this show, we didn't really get a ton.
00:16:51
Speaker
Mandalorian stuff right we got bits and pieces bigger and rebels because of Sabine Obviously Clone Wars right we got a lot of stuff But now we're really sinking our teeth into this whole Lore of it, and I love it. I love it. I love like you're saying Mandalorians just look cool You can't you can't deny they just look freakin cool, man Just look cool
00:17:19
Speaker
So I mean, I don't know, any final thoughts before we kind of dive into it overall? No, I mean, I have so many thoughts.
00:17:31
Speaker
I mean, even as you were talking, I was thinking how the term, this is the way, it can be very problematic, right? It cuts off the conversation. It keeps people from expressing what they truly mean. It's a strange way to communicate. So I'm not saying, this is the way. I'm all about, I'm not. But then again, I am.
00:17:54
Speaker
I'm just keeping an open mind around what we're learning. You know, it's so interesting because the show's called The Mandalorian. Yet in the first season, he was a bounty hunter. He wasn't even a Mandalorian. We didn't even get a taste of what Mandalorians truly were. And now we are.
00:18:10
Speaker
And I love every second of that because, like you said, we only got bits and pieces of it from different stories. And I think we're just scratching the surface of it, too. There's so much we need to learn about this. But then again, that's the same way as the Jedi, too.
00:18:31
Speaker
When we first saw Star Wars and we found out what a Jedi was and then we put our own assumptions around it and then when we came back and then learned what the Jedi Council had transitioned to and then our opinions were like
00:18:49
Speaker
We don't even know what we're thinking anymore. We don't even know what is the truth. And I think that's what's the best part about Star Wars is the nonlinear storytelling that keeps you questioning what do you support or what team are you on? Or are you just a team of the storytelling? And I think that once I felt comfortable being in
00:19:13
Speaker
Team storytelling instead of Team Dark Side, Team Light Side, Team Empire, Team Rebel. Once I just became team storytelling is when I have truly, truly, truly enjoyed this and been content as a fan. I 100% agree. I mean, when you start looking at
00:19:38
Speaker
how the stories are being presented. It does change. It changed your whole, it changed your whole perspective. And I think that did it for me. And I think it's done it for like, you're just saying, doing it for you too.
00:19:48
Speaker
I think when I came around was honestly in the book of Boba Fett and to see something that was silly and campy and at times I was like, this is not for me. This is not my Star Wars. I was that person for a second. But then to come around and be like, whoa, it's the story.
Grogu's Backstory and Order 66
00:20:17
Speaker
It's his journey.
00:20:19
Speaker
It changed. Yeah. And you mentioned about how we first saw Jedi in A New Hope. We learned through the original trilogy, like, oh, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, what are they? They're so honorable. And then George Lucas is like, no, no, no. I mean, the creator, the maker himself says, hold on, kids. I got another story to tell.
00:20:46
Speaker
through the prequels. So like, yeah, this is, it's kind of in Star Wars DNA to make you like re-contextualize and rethink about things. And you know who did it one of the best in my opinion, before we move on is Ryan Johnson. Ryan Johnson, everyone. Thank you very much. End of story. But let's dive into this episode. We talked about, you know, we were talking about Grogu earlier.
00:21:17
Speaker
Big, big stuff with, with the little man, you know, in this episode. So I want to dive into his specific, his specific little arc in this, in this episode, which is called again, this is the following directed by Carl Weathers and written by John Favreau. And I think for the first time this season, uh, Dave Floney got, uh, writer's credit as well.
00:21:43
Speaker
Which is very, very cool. Which obviously, a ton of sense when you look at it to be by order 66 and all that makes sense that Floney was all, all over and you know, fingerprints were all over it. But regardless, Grogu training was the coolest little thing I've ever seen. I loved it. Him and his little paintballs. It was awesome. Yeah.
00:22:10
Speaker
You know again, you see like you were saying up top and you know, the first shot is us seeing this whole coven, right? It's big. I mean, I feel like each time we go back to it, it grows. Like you see more and more Mandalorians. You've seen a lot of the younger foullings, right? Training and doing just a bunch of stuff. And then you see Grogu and Din goes to him and says, Hey, you know what? It's time for you to start kind of.
00:22:38
Speaker
learning and seeing what this what this is as a founding, right? And he puts him up against the founding that we see in episode one as they were getting their helmet. Who by this episode, and I can't remember if we talked about that or not, but like that was Paz Vizsla's son, Ragnar, which was very cool, but
00:23:07
Speaker
Grogu, you know, gets into the training and they use these like, like you're saying, paint and ball darts. And I love how Din's like, you know, just move your, you know, put your hand, you know, clench your, clench your hand and then the darts will come out. And then, you know, first round he gets hit and he looks at Din and I love Din's like, don't look at me, look at him. Like, I just love it. Like, that's such like a dad like thing, right?
00:23:37
Speaker
It's such a thing. Yeah. Like, I don't know why you're looking at me. And then again, he gets hit again. And then he gives him the nice like encouragement of, you know, listen, I know what you can do. You know what you can do. Just don't be afraid, basically. And he doesn't. And, you know, Grogu listens to him, does some flips, which was amazing as always. And then he hits Ragnar three times wins. And it's great, you know.
00:24:05
Speaker
And then obviously there's a whole section of Ragnar which we'll talk about because it kind of fits with both stuff, but We get to a part where it's the armor and Grogu Because the others are often doing something which again we'll talk about But we get that flashback of order 66, which I was hoping for and we got it
00:24:28
Speaker
And first of all, I do want to say the armor. I love how she says Grogu. I don't know why it's same. I love it. Grogu. It's just, I don't know why it's so. I love it. I was thinking that today, like while I was doing a rewatch and I was like, man, everybody just delivers Grogu so well now. I love it. It's different though too, right? Everybody's kind of like a little different, you know? And oh, before we get to the, before we get to the flashback stuff, I do want to mention how Bo,
00:24:58
Speaker
was watching Grogu too, and she was like being anti-bo. And I was like, oh, she's like, no, my dad was the same way. It's because he's proud of you. I love it. I love it. Oh, my God, it was so cute. And then like off to the side, talking to Din, like, you sure he should do this? Like, it was so good. So good. I loved it. I loved it. So I mean, before before we get to the slash, you have to talk to me about the training and like you're just talking about Bo Din, the dynamic.
00:25:27
Speaker
when they're watching him fight, how are you feeling? What are your thoughts with that whole sequence? Oh my God, I love that. I love anything, Grogu, my God. And first of all, him just sitting there and the rocks around him. And that's just always such a Jedi thing, right? With rocks. And then you see him pick up that hermit crab and you're waiting for him to eat it. Because he's always hungry, the cute little guy.
00:25:53
Speaker
And then Din comes and picks him up and all the hermit crabs walk away and that was just like a cool little moment if you're like a Rebels fan and you know Ezra's connection with creatures and then you know, and then you can feel Grogu's connection with them as well too and the anticipation of what that could mean is pretty awesome.
00:26:14
Speaker
So I have to make a comment on the way they talk, the Mandalorians, like him saying, like, I'm his ward. And they say these strange words. And I'm like, what is this? The choice of dialogue is so interesting, but it just makes you realize this is a different culture. These aren't people just dressed up in armor. They speak and act a specific way.
00:26:42
Speaker
So I like how that is very consistent, but it was so cute when Bo was putting the little dart thing on his arm and talking to him, but then like also questioning then like it was just like a great
00:26:56
Speaker
interaction and hands off to like Carl Weathers and the way he directs this to where you feel like you're just a part of what's happening in the situation. Like you're in attendance of it. It's just like a, it was just great. I don't know his style of directing just feels like very inviting. So I love this whole part. I love that he was able to get off those three darts really fast and beat Ragnar. I'm not a fan of Ragnar yet, but whatever.
00:27:24
Speaker
I'm not really a fan of past visit either. So maybe that has a little bit to do with it. So, um, but I mean, it was just, it was so cool. I loved it. Yeah, it was. I mean, it's just cool seeing like, this is how they, you know, maybe back, back in the day or whatever, this is how Mandalorians were trained. And you can even kind of get that sense with Bo walking around it.
00:27:50
Speaker
to again, I will, I will pin that because I want to touch when we talk about both particularly. But so, yeah. So the next big thing we get with Grogu is a flashback. You know, the armor is hammering away, making him a little piece of of armor for him. And she talks about how Mandalorian start at his ore and then they get basically like formed and reforged.
00:28:17
Speaker
And it's through like, you know, basically their trials and tribulations. Just like the, the armor is. And that brings them, you know, that gets it all to the flashback of him being saved from order 66 by all these Jedi. And again, loved it. Love as many times as we hate going back to order 66. I love going back to order 66. Cause that's super fascinating, right? It really is. They have made that like a.
00:28:45
Speaker
A Nexus, I guess if you want a Nexus event where like yeah, absolutely. It's a huge thing, right? This is a huge thing that changed Star Wars like the lore everything So we find out and like you said up top and The Jedi that did save Grogu or at least got it. Well, we'll just say we got him out of Corsa. Yes was Calorim back Who was played by none other than I'm at best That's not the most Dave Filoni thing to do
00:29:16
Speaker
I don't know what it is. That is so perfect. It really is, right? Yeah. I mean, it is. To invite back a person that was mistreated by the fandom and that went through- For a long time.
Kelleran Beq's Rescue and Naboo Connections
00:29:31
Speaker
For a long time and went through so much hardship and then to place him in this part of the story as this hero, this anticipated hero as well too.
00:29:43
Speaker
And it was, oh my God, I loved it. I thought it was so cool. Now I know a lot of like casual fans do not pick up on it like whatsoever. Like they just don't. So I'm cool with that because I feel like where it needs to hit is like with the hardcore fans that are like- If you know, you know. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, if you know, you know, you knew that was that bad. And just like you're saying, you know the story.
00:30:12
Speaker
You know what he went through, you know, and again, even, it reminds me of Chicago celebration when he was on the stage and he just got the biggest standing ovation. I remember you telling me that was like a huge moment. It was big. And for him to feel that, and then to, for Dave Filoni, I mean, again, and John Favreau, obviously I don't want to not mention Favreau.
00:30:37
Speaker
But like for them to think like, okay, who, who would make the most sense, right? There's tons of Jedi they could have used. I mean, they could have used, uh, Filoni's favorite. What's his face? Um, uh, Oh no. Yeah, he did. Nevermind. Nevermind. But like he could, they could have used anybody, right? They could have used a Jedi that is like a deep cut or like a clone, like no.
00:31:02
Speaker
They could have brought Sam Jackson back, you know? He could have been crawling up from the ground and been like, no, I'll take him. You never know. Right, right. But no, they went with Ahmed's best character, who he portrays in the Star Wars Temple show, Jedi Temple Challenge. Yeah, that was his character's name. So cool. And his character was a teacher of younglings. Oh my God, I love it.
00:31:27
Speaker
Yeah. And then I guess there is a, there's is a character with the same last name that Ahmed played. I had to, it was an attack of the clones maybe. Yeah. And that's, they're supposed to, I mean, Ahmed has said they're brothers. So like, I want a whole comic on those two. Give me it. Give me it. I want all, I want all the Kelleran stuff now. Give me the action figures. Give me it all. But yeah, he is the one Ahmed Best's character is the one that gets Grogu out of Corsa.
00:31:58
Speaker
You know, and I, again, the chase scene was so attack of the clones, so attack of the clones. It was so attack of the clones, you know, and that, that really, that digital feel that CGI feel, um, but it, it, it, but it like fit like really well. Yeah, it did. Like it worked for me. It was.
00:32:26
Speaker
Again, cool flying around it. That one shot of them as they're leaving the temple, you see the temple on fire. Man, that was a great shot. That was a great shot. And then his friend, he tells Grogu after they are able to get away, we're going to meet some friends of mine. And it's Nabooian people. It's the guards. And you see that Naboo ship.
00:32:55
Speaker
It's not Padme's, I know people are thinking it could be Padme's. I don't think it's Padme's, because there's two things. A, she at that point is either at Musafar, or even if it's not, she was still, she was watching the Jedi Temple burn, so she would still need that ship to get to Musafar, so.
00:33:23
Speaker
It's not her ship, but again, it's a Nabooian class, whatever ship that it's called. Yeah. And that's so cool again. And that's a nice little touch of like, again, I'm at being playing Jar Jar from Naboo. That's the planet that helps Grogu and him. Like, I know it's kind of like a cool little meta thing for me anyway, as a, as a, as a fan. And then who knows? I mean, he.
00:33:48
Speaker
who helped him get that ship and, you know, must have been Naboo, right? It could be Padme that helped for sure. Absolutely. It could be Senator Jar Jar Binks as well. You never know. I mean, how cool would that be? Is that if, if, if he's trying to take Grogu to Naboo, right? Let's just say, I mean, again, I, we don't know where they're going. I don't think it's Naboo, but I'm just throwing this fun idea out.
00:34:15
Speaker
that if he is taking Grogu Junabu, that he does, like he, like Senator Binks is the one that he talks to. And so it'd be like Ahmed talking to himself. I would love it. What about you? What do you think? Oh my God. I didn't even think about that. Someone put in my head that it, um, that it was, uh, Palpatine, that it was set up. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. And I was like, no, I don't think so. But then again ends up back in,
00:34:45
Speaker
the empire's possession somehow. So, but I don't, I don't think that I just, I don't, but someone put it in my head. They're like, well, you know, pop a team and boo, there's connections. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. But I mean, I don't know, but I love that idea that it could have been Senator Binks. I kind of think it was like Padme's handmaidens, you know, cause they have a lot of hands in and things happening as well too, from direction of Padme or
00:35:12
Speaker
So that's kind of that's what I thought it was more like her her people Right, it's definitely Naboo in like her whoever right they are definitely on team save Jedi help Jedi save, you know save the galaxy or whatever. So that makes sense But yeah, I mean again just the overall aesthetics of the of the scene were great for me. I Loved it. So Ang again
00:35:42
Speaker
thoughts, opinions on this section of the episode. Heavy stuff. I mean really big stuff, heavy stuff for our flashback.
00:35:51
Speaker
Yeah, really big stuff. The flight sequence was just really great and just looked smooth. And then you see Grogu falling into the habit of hiding in the pram and then coming back out again, which was really cute. I noticed his ears were a little bit shorter, so he looked younger is what I noticed. Oh, good catch, good catch.
00:36:13
Speaker
Yep, and then when it goes back to him actually being by the Forge with armor, you can tell there's a little bit of aging that has happened. So I thought that was cool as well. I was surprised when we saw that preview and we see the sparks through the door, we all expected that it was another lightsaber trying to get through. And we were expecting to see Anakin.
00:36:40
Speaker
I thought, I mean, that's what I kind of always thought. Who would be on the other side of that door with sparks and with something that could be a lightsaber, but obviously it was just the clones cutting through with whatever. But the lightsaber battle with Ahmed Best, him with the two sabers, I mean, very, very smooth, very, very cool. So I love that. His face looks so determined. I love that. It was so good.
00:37:10
Speaker
I liked it. So the whole thing just seemed really appropriate. All of my theories I had in my head, like, oh, maybe it was our two that got them. And no, maybe it was this. And maybe you've talked about that. It doesn't even matter anymore. It's just like, cool. That's what it was. Perfect. I love it. So
00:37:34
Speaker
There's more questions, you know, what happens after that? Are we going to get any of those answers? Like, how does he still end up back in possession of the Empire? So it will be interesting if we're going to follow up with that or if we're just kind of going to learn how we got out. So yeah, because the last thing we see is them going through hyperspace. And that's like you're saying that kind of kicks back, kicks us back to the present.
00:38:01
Speaker
I didn't want to say, I find it very interesting that they do the flashback scenes when someone's sitting there with the armor making at the Forge, making a piece of armor. And, you know, it was interesting. She had said like the Forge exposes your weaknesses. It's almost like she knows it's like this meditative thing or process that she's putting people through to kind of revisit their
00:38:28
Speaker
their traumas. So I want the armorer to go through that and I want her flashback and I want to see what her traumas are and what got her where she was. I just think it would be nice. Maybe that happened. I'd be interested to get her like her story a little bit right. And maybe we will maybe we will maybe maybe in this season or maybe in seasons to come.
00:38:55
Speaker
we will learn more about the armor because she is a very prominent character that we don't know obviously a ton about.
Bo-Katan's Leadership and Character Growth
00:39:03
Speaker
I've always been interested in the armor since season one, to be honest. I've always been team armor. She looks cool. Yeah. She looks cool. She is the coolest looking Mandalorian in that group. So I am all about any more lore about her. Agreed. I think more more of her backstory.
00:39:25
Speaker
Again, either a book, comics, something that'd be cool. I'm in or obviously in the show, I'll take it. Next coolest looking Bo Katan. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And Bo, what an episode for her. You know, this is big stuff. So talking about Bo. Again, when I, when we first see her, she's walking through the whole training and I just feel, and I want to get your thoughts, Ang.
00:39:53
Speaker
I feel like she's just, she's really understanding or really like seeing what this obviously coven and this, what this, what the way is. And I think it just brings her back to what maybe her days as a young, as a young Mandalorian, right? Training. And then maybe the days of death watch.
00:40:16
Speaker
Cause they were probably training like this too, right? So they were, I mean, I think it was either a rebels episode or I don't know if it was rebels or clone wars, but there's definitely an episode where they're, you go to their camp and they are training like this clone wars, clone wars. Yeah. Yeah. It is, but I just feel like what she's been going through, right? To see her kind of get back to her roots in a way is super fascinating. I feel like this is the journey she goes through in this episode.
00:40:46
Speaker
You know, I mean, it's huge. It's huge. Her her journey so far is fascinating to me. So, you know, the big thing with her and Dan and some of the other, you know, Paz Vizsla, again, his son gets kind of swept away by this huge creature, this flying dragon, almost like Raptor. Right. Raptor. OK. So again, very. Like we talked about, John
00:41:15
Speaker
Favro day for me playing the sandbox like oh, wouldn't it be cool if I had a dinosaur toy and grabbed the Mandalorian like it's just It's it is like guys This is like us being kid. It really is. I mean again, whatever that's fine And it's fun Again, those shots of like seeing them fly again gives me like Iron Man vibes when they were chasing it It was really really cool. Very very cool. But yeah, so his son gets taken away they try to follow it to the lair and
00:41:46
Speaker
They all run out of jet fuel which kind of makes sense. I kind of like that. They showed that I don't know why me too I like when our heroes have like like drawbacks or like limits to their armor, you know Yeah, oh, yeah, definitely. I agree. I agree. But then we see that great shot This is what I get another great shot of the episode is Bose ship and you hear her theme kickin Which I I love both contains the love it, but you see her ship like following the creature
00:42:15
Speaker
With the sun, like I don't know if his son was setting or rising or whatever, but like, it was just a cool shot. Then like she, her following the thing into the sun. It was a cool shot. And then they, obviously she comes back and tells them, okay, I followed it. I know where they are. This is the plan. So she is leading, you know, and the, and it's very Bo, right? I mean, she is a leader through and through. Yeah. It comes out of her like very naturally.
00:42:43
Speaker
You know, she just, it just, she knows what to do. She knows to go and track it. She knows to take, you know, a shot of where it's at and to bring it back to them and directly tell them like, this is the plan. This is what we should do. It's so natural for her.
00:42:59
Speaker
And I loved that scene when they when they finally make camp and they're eating and she's asking then how do I eat and or do you how do you eat around people and eat he tells her you know you go off on your own take your helmet off and you eat and then when Paz Vizsla tells her that you know she is the leader so she
00:43:23
Speaker
has the honor of staying by the fire and to kind of see that look of satisfaction on her face when she sits down and you can almost tell that she's remembering like this is what she's about. Being a leader is where she needs to be. I don't feel like it's like cockiness like yeah, I'm the best. I just feel like she gets a sense of belonging when she's in that role. No, I haven't spent a degree and it's very, you know, her
00:43:50
Speaker
her bloodline, right? Her dad ruled Mandalore, her sister Satine, RIP, ruled Mandalore. So it's in her DNA almost, right? I mean, it really is. And you see it especially in rebels. And what I love about that though, when you see rebels where she was very hesitant about that, right? She led her little crew, but then in rebels,
00:44:20
Speaker
Sabine wants to give her the dark saber. She's like, I am not that person. You're I'm not the one you seek, you know, but then again, eventually she does accept that role. Right. And I feel like just like you said, Ang, I feel like this is her maybe accepting and getting back to those roots because she is a leader. This is yeah, this is Bochtan. She is a leader, you know, and.
00:44:45
Speaker
I just love how her whole belief system, right, is being really turned upside down. But I feel like she is accepting it and trying to maybe is learning from it. And in all honesty, I think maybe I don't know if she really fully commits to like, you know, oh, we can't take our helmets off because maybe she is maybe under the helmet. Maybe she is like rolling her eyes, but
Rescue Mission and Family Themes
00:45:11
Speaker
I don't know, I get the feeling that maybe in those moments, just like you said, when she asked Din, like, how do we do this? Like, she wants to, like, it wasn't like, oh, no, yeah, how are we gonna do this without taking her home and stuff? Like, she was trying to be honoring, right? I mean, I don't know if that's how you felt the way too, that like, she was trying to, again. Yeah, she was very respectful about it. Right, right, right. So, I just, I love it. And then again, they,
00:45:39
Speaker
They finally, the next morning, they get up to the lair. They find three baby raptors. And that's when we find out that Paz confirmed that that's his kid, Ragnar. I love him. I love him both turns and looks and then like, what? So how does that all work? Anyway. Did you know? Right. How did you know this?
00:46:09
Speaker
Fun at fun action sequence of them like getting Ragnar You know in paths because passes in the mouth Ragnar was being held by the talons again good flight sequence we do see which was Again, they made it a point to show that bow lost a piece of her armor right? Didn't you know didn't in the rest of the crew was able to you know save paths and get Ragnar out and
00:46:39
Speaker
Den is the one that saves Ragnar. It's good, right? Happy joy. Love it. They come back to the, the coven and you know, everybody sees that they were successful. And I love how the Mandalorians were like clapping, but like they were hitting their like wrist guards or whatever together. That was cool. I liked that. I liked that a lot. But then you see, you know, uh, den goes right to go grew and picks them up, which was cute. Cause it was like, there was that moment of paths.
00:47:06
Speaker
You know kind of hugging Ragnar and Ragnar saying yeah, I'm okay dad like and I think it made as he didn't Think about Grogu because yeah Grogu is his is his son He can call him. He can call himself his ward, but in all reality didn't seize himself as Grogu's father you know but the big thing when you talk about Boca tan is that you know she sees the armor the armor says you have done the highest honor and
00:47:35
Speaker
Out of you know being in this in in the coven the Creed whatever is saving a foundling And when the armor says this is a way and she says this is the way it wasn't like a again a Jokey alright. I'll say it like no she fully She is accepting and believes What she is saying right it's being respectful again she might not be
00:48:02
Speaker
At this point for me, I don't, I don't know if she fully again agrees or like what with their way, right? But she's being very respectful and following the, you know, just following orders in a way that makes sense and being respectful. And then the armor says, Hey, I see you need some help with some new armor. I got you, which I love. And then she puts the signal, uh, her new, like, was it like her shoulder armor or whatever.
00:48:31
Speaker
Pauldron. Yeah. She, you know, she asked Bo, do you want the, the night owl again? And she's like, you know, can I have the mythosaur? And I like, again, the armor is just like, yeah, the mythosaur is for all Mandalorian. So yeah, that's, that's cool. So it's cool that she has the owl mythosaur on one end as well. But then she tells the armor, I saw one like legit. And the armor was like, Oh, okay. Cute story. I like it. Cute. I like your dreams are a good vision way to go.
00:49:02
Speaker
And she's like, no, really. Like I saw, she's like, Oh no, that's cute. This is the way. No, I know. That's, that's fun. Good for you kid. Like here's my question. And again, thoughts on that sequence overall, but then my question is, do you think anybody will until they actually see it? Will anybody believe her?
00:49:24
Speaker
Yes, I think armor already does believe her I think that the armor likes to speak in riddles and likes to leave it up to
00:49:38
Speaker
like the person to decide. It's kind of narcissistic if I think about it, but anyway. I mean a little bit, yeah, yeah, yeah. But when she says when you choose to walk the way of the Mandalore, you will see many things. And that is her telling her, if you continue to stay on this path, then your future will be what? Present itself, kind of, yeah. Yeah, will present itself better, or in the intention of the way that you wanted it to, maybe.
Reflecting on Culture and Storytelling Futures
00:50:07
Speaker
But that's what I think. It's just kind of like when...
00:50:13
Speaker
When Din, you know, takes his helmet off and they say he's an apostate, and she goes, oh, well, you have to go back to the mines of Mandalore, or they're gone, and oh, this is the way. Like, I gave you what you needed. You know what you have. It's your responsibility to figure out the rest. Like, what did she think? Like, it's your journey. Yeah, that the armor was going to be like, sweet, let's go get it. Like, I don't know. So.
00:50:41
Speaker
And I think that's kind of the armor's responsibility is to kind of allow people to make their decisions and their choices on their own and just provide them with wisdom, I guess. I don't know. Or put them on a path, right, of some sort. Yeah.
00:50:59
Speaker
for sure. I loved the whole rescuing Ragnar sequence. I loved all the flight flight sequence, the fighting. I loved how smart it was. Normally the Mandalorians aren't smart about cut
00:51:14
Speaker
getting rid of creatures, but Din and Bo really were like going after the eye, going after the hand directly, like things like that. I really liked, it just shows that those two are a little bit superior when it comes to decisions in fighting. I mean, maybe, or maybe they're just trying to move the episode along. I don't know. Could be, but I mean, honestly, is there anything cooler than seeing Mandalorians fly around? I know.
00:51:38
Speaker
It's like all different like they're using their fire their wrist thing and they're got knives and stuff like it's all just great I love it and then how cool was it when that Raptor falls into the the water and then the other thing comes up completely reminds me of The Phantom Menace where they're on Naboo and there's always a bigger fish. I just I just loved it. So that was great definitely so overall
00:52:08
Speaker
It's just like, it leaves me content, but then like happy with, um, and excited with anticipation of what could be next. Like we've, we've placed everybody on, on the game board perfectly. And where are we going to go? Like from here, cause we're giving everybody the opportunity to, to learn. So like, what's Grogu going to do? Right? Is he going to continue to be a Mandalorian or.
00:52:35
Speaker
You know, and what's that going to look like? Because you got to see a little bit of also the way his force capabilities work too. So it's like, you just don't know with him. So it's just, I was completely happy with this episode and I felt like it just sets us up for like a good halfway point of what could happen next. I feel like this is what the point of the season is, is learning more about Mandalorians and who is the true Mandalore and what is their fate.
00:53:07
Speaker
And trying to get them right. I mean, what is the fate of the Mandalorian culture? Because right now it's in disarray, right? It's, it's, you know, you have the children of the watch, right? Doing their thing. You had bows sitting on her throne all day, you know, sad bow. And then you had people that were following her being mercenaries, typical Mandalorian stuff. So like, I think I, I, I 100% agree. I think.
00:53:36
Speaker
for this season, possibly, again, just how I'm interpreting the story so far, is that it is about getting the Mandalorians back together and maybe, you know, bringing Mandalore back as their planet, as their home base, right? I think that's, now that we know that A, it's habitable, right? There's not poison. The living waters are there.
00:54:05
Speaker
damn mythosaur there, they can start rebuilding. And Bo-Katan's big thing, and she said it in, what, episode two or three, that one of her biggest, like, things is how separated, how divided the clans are, right? Children of the Watch, you know, the clan Vizsla or clan Crete, like, they're all doing in,
00:54:34
Speaker
their own thing and they keep fighting each other, right? That's been the whole Mandalorian, as we know it, up to this point. Since her father died, it's been one big civil war, right? Between all the clans and different factions of Mandalorians. And I think it is about bringing all those people back. Now could you argue that that's more of a bow journey than a din journey? I get it.
00:55:01
Speaker
But I think that's part of Den's journey too, obviously, is, you know, learning about, again, Bo-Katan's kind of way of thinking, right? And then seeing that maybe what he is a part of, that the thing that he always wanted to get back to, right? He's finally redeemed. Maybe that isn't, you know, again, maybe that isn't for Grogu. Maybe that's part of the journey as well. So yeah, that's.
00:55:28
Speaker
The Mandalorian is about obviously Din Djarin and Grogu for sure, but it's about the Mandalorian culture as a whole as well. And I think that's what we're getting this season in particular, right? And I'm cool with that story for sure. I'm very cool with that story. And final thoughts, anything you want to bring up questions, concerns, or anything else you want to bring up around that by the episode? Do you feel like
00:55:52
Speaker
Bo Katan is no longer the projected antagonist and she's actually going to be helpful in reinstating the Mandalorian culture. Or do you think she's going to create a problem? That's a fascinating question. No, it is because again, it's almost week to week.
00:56:14
Speaker
It really is. I mean, like you, like you said earlier, she could be rolling her eyes under that helmet. She could be, she could be very strategically choosing what to say and do just to be able to turn her back on them and, and get them from the inside, you know, who knows those things about the main Laureans are crazy. Ezra said it, man. And he was that wrong. He was that wrong. But no, I think with Beau,
00:56:43
Speaker
I mean, I say it goes week to week for sure, right? Cause you just, what she says, her actions, but now I know these last couple episodes, her like, again, I think knowing or just getting the feel of what this coven is about the children of the watch. She's getting a better understanding. And then she has not told anybody, but,
00:57:12
Speaker
About the mythosaur right but she finally tells the armor so is that bow like showing that she trusts the armor to Like a let her know what to do with that or what like? Right, you don't really know the intentions of why she tells her that but then the answer that she gets I think is I'm interested to see what bow does with that like is she just gonna take that as okay? Maybe it was a vision maybe I didn't see it like is she gonna take
00:57:41
Speaker
what the armor said at face value or is she going to keep pursuing like, no, no, no, no. I can see that. Like I can see her like wanting to prove and show like, no, dude, I am, I'm serious. This is, this thing is real. You know, it isn't just these stories that we have been told. It's real stuff. It's real stuff. I mean, how do you feel? What do you, what's your thoughts on it? I have no idea. Just like you said, it's week to week. I just don't know. Um,
00:58:10
Speaker
I want to see her come around. I want to see the Mandalorian culture have strength again in both ways, not just in the warrior aspect, but as a society and a community and what Satine wanted for them. So I hope we get there for them.
00:58:36
Speaker
One more question. What did you think about them keeping those three baby reptiles?
Mandalorian Habitats and Cultural Strategy
00:58:43
Speaker
I kind of dig it. I dig to two. You think it's a Grogu thing? You think Grogu is going to? Oh, I could see it again. We have gotten sprinkles of him and his ability to connect, right, with the what's that animal call that we saw in Boba Fett, the rain cart or
00:59:06
Speaker
Raincore. Raincore. Raincore. He was able to write like kind of calm it down and whatever. We saw him with the season one when he saved in that that the sigil that they have. I can't remember the name of it. The Mudhorn. Mudhorn. Thank you. We saw him being able to like again, like control it. Not obviously he didn't do what he did with the raincore, but like his connection with
00:59:35
Speaker
these creatures, right? I mean, we talked about in that episode when he saw the space whales, uh, purple, was that just him? Was it because he was four senators? Did he see it? Like it would have didn't, would, didn't have saw it. Were they drawn to him? Right. Right. Right. So yeah, I can see this whole him being able to like, again, help tame those creatures to where those Mandalorians can like use them, fly them.
01:00:02
Speaker
Again, how do you how cool is that gonna be? I know I mean remember what quill said when he was teaching them to the the To ride the blurb. He was like your ancestors rolled rode the mighty mythosaur like this. We're getting back to like Mandalorian like roots, right? Right. Right. I agree. I just agree and then part of that journey too, I think is again With Grogu
01:00:31
Speaker
his, his connection to the force and then trying to be a Mandalorian too. That's going to be a, I think a storyline. Like does even grow good when he gets older? Does he, is he going to even want to do like, is he going to even want to do this? I know Din is like showing him and he's been following Din, but will there be a point where he's like, you know what, dad, I don't think this is cool of us. Like, I don't like this. You know what I'm saying? Like, we just don't know. We just don't know.
01:01:03
Speaker
And I know a lot of people have brought up again, and we kind of talked about it, but like this idea of why the Mandalorians, why are they still, why are they on this planet? Well, there's a ton of like dangerous creatures and all that, right? I know people are like, just get off the planet. But I was watching Star Wars Explained and a good friend, Mark, from collection sabers tweeted this out. So give a shout out to him as well.
01:01:31
Speaker
But Mark, Mark even said in his tweet, like, you know, people, again, people are like, which makes it, which is a valid question. Why are you on this planet when there's so much danger? And Mark's kind of tweet was like, that's kind of the point, right? That's the point of it. Like they live on this day. Right. Keeps people away. Number one. And then what Alex said in his YouTube little short that they did, that he did, Alex from Star Wars explained, he said, you know,
01:02:00
Speaker
The armor, the armor set in season one, like the way the, you know, the way that they follow this creed, the, the children of the watch, you know, you are both hunter and hunted. So it makes sense that they will live on a planet where that's the case, where they're both hunter and hunted. It's probably not a safe place to, not a safe thing to do, obviously, when you have foullings and everything.
01:02:30
Speaker
But it makes sense. I get why they are on that planet. So any thoughts on that? No. I mean, to me, if you're on a planet surrounded by creatures, one, it keeps other threats away, I would think.
01:02:49
Speaker
As like the warrior mindset, like you can't, you're not there to like, I don't know, you're there to learn and be challenged. So exactly like what the armor said.
Episode Wrap-up and Social Media
01:03:01
Speaker
Hunter and be hunted. Right. Right. So I dig it. Final thoughts, Ange. Anything else you want to bring up? No, I don't think so. I did have one more thought and I lost it, Lauren. I lost the thought.
01:03:16
Speaker
There's just so much to talk about. That's a good episode. Good stuff. Good stuff. All right, kids. Uh, that's it. I mean, that's a wrap. That's it. That's our recap of episode four of season three of the Mandalorian. Hope you guys enjoyed it. Obviously go follow us. Uh, you can follow the galactic podcast at the galactic pod on Twitter and hive. And then we are on apple pod, Google play Spotify, all the major platforms. So go.
01:03:45
Speaker
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01:04:10
Speaker
All right, and as always, may the force be with you. Always. Always.