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Speaker: Alright, well, hello everyone and welcome to the Galactic Podcast. I am Lauren Romo with me as always my cousin and fellow nerd Andrea Gutierrez. Yo, yo, yo. What up? What up, what ah what up? What are you doing?
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Speaker: Lauren, this is not a football podcast. Well, you know, sometimes it comes to a Star Wars podcast. Is it Star Wars podcast? It is Star Wars podcast. But we got a lot to talk about. Andor finally dropped. New way of dropping episodes, which is interesting, and I've actually enjoyed it. We'll talk about that.
Speaker: lots of lots to dive in Lots to dive in. So... If is your first time listening to us, welcome. We are Star Wars Podcasts that discuss anything and everything within that galaxy far, far away. each episode, we will dive into one or two topics and have a general discussion on them.
Speaker: Topics could be movies, TV series, books, comics, a specific character, you name it. And we talk about it. All right, Andrew. We're both, I would say, pretty hyped for Andor.
Speaker: Yeah, of course. I think we were both very excited to see where this season goes, what they're going to do and everything. So we'll just, just before we get into the, to the two arcs that dropped,
Speaker: What were your initial kind of feelings going in, though, like leading up to it? Were you watching trailers or anything? Kind of talk talk me through that.
Speaker: Were you watching TV spots or anything or no? Were you off off all that stuff? I mean, I wasn't shying away from it. I would say, and I think we even talked about this in the last time we recorded, like my expectations weren't like crazy for the show.
Speaker: i wasn't like, oh, this is going to make or break my so my Star Wars life, like some people. And ah wasn't necessarily... I don't know. I wouldn't say I was like overly geeked, but I was like ready for Star Wars. I was ready for sophisticated Star Wars.
Speaker: And I like all these characters. Rogue One's one of the best Star Wars films ever made. So I wanted to see how we led up to to that moment. But, um yeah, I wasn't, like, ignoring TV spots or anything like that. But I also wasn't, like, intently looking at them to, like, try to, like, find out, like, insider information or any of that kind of stuff.
Speaker: I was a casual viewer. I would say I was i casually viewed.
Speaker: Yeah. You're muted.
Speaker: Here we go. Casual, I liked that. Yeah, I was kind of the same. I wasn't like looking into stuff, but if I saw something, I saw something. But I kind of just kept to the trailers, though, more than anything. you know So the hype the hype was good. The hype was real.
Speaker: I was excited to get back into this world. um And these characters. I mean, these characters are amazing. Andor's really interesting character. All these characters that we'll talk about. Mothma.
Speaker: I mean, we have Krennic now. It's just, it's an insane cast. I'm loving how, like, involved Krennic is, you know? Yeah, I didn't know what to expect. We'll talk about that. But that was ah that that's a surprise.
Speaker: Like, a good surprise for me, for sure. So, so now, how do you like this drop of three per week? So, it's an arc. Yeah. It's which makes sense because that's how the first season was, too.
Speaker: But there's four arcs, three episodes per arc. So 12 episodes total. But do you like this three at once? Do you would you rather go to the one every week? How do you feel so far about that aspect of the show? Do you like the three arc drop?
Speaker: So I like the three arcs, right? Or I like the three episode arc.
Speaker: What I don't like is that they're all released at the same time, honestly. I've not sat down once on, like, premiere night and watched them. And I've also not really sat down at all and watched them. I've kind of, like, watched them on my phone, either, like, before I was going to sleep or, you know, how I do, sometimes, like, when I'm at work.
Speaker: ah But... I, you know, i remember watching episode four thinking like, man, I really wish these were released singularly because I really want to go back and watch just that one episode and really deep dive into what happened. Because I felt like episode four, Ever Been to Gorman, was like one of the best episodes performed so far in this series. Yeah.
Speaker: And the fact that you have to just jump right into another story and then jump right into another one again, it is very overwhelming. And I mean, you and I talked about this today as like podcasters. We don't have the opportunity to be able to like go back and do rewatches as easily as we did before, you know, watching a 30 minute episode or a 40 minute episode.
Speaker: mean, this is watching like a full movie if we had to do a rewatch. And I'm sorry, i just don't have time for that.
Speaker: I mean, it's true. so I mean, I think it's it's an interesting way that they're doing it. I don't mind it. Like you're saying, I agree. There's some pros and cons to it.
Speaker: Yeah. Like as a podcaster, I don't like it as a viewer. i don't mind it. It's kind of, it's fun, you know, to get like a beginning end every week, you know, that's what I am enjoying. But like as someone that like ingests content, the way that we do star Wars content, it's, it's really difficult to do. And it feels very overwhelming.
Speaker: Yeah, because like you said, it's it's legit a movie. I mean, they're about, what, 40 plus minutes each? The one was like 56 minutes. I was like, I can't do this. I mean, and that's just one episode. The next episode is close to that.
Speaker: So you're talking, yeah, a legit movie each each freaking week, which is insane. Yeah. And like you're saying, from viewer's perspective, I love it. Like you're saying, you get the complete thing, right? You're not waiting week to week to like, oh, my God, why'd they stop the episode there?
Speaker: Right. You're seeing everything play out. As somebody that, again, like you're saying, has podcast Star Wars podcasters. And I don't know how any of the other our fellow podcasters feel, too.
Speaker: It would interesting to poll them, but I think it's probably good and bad, right? I mean, like we're talking about for sure. I jumped on or i saw like a reaction.
Speaker: It wasn't even a reaction and it wasn't anybody I'd like normally watch either. It was just like a random show came up and they were airing like right off of like – the end right like just watched four five six and now let's talk about it and they were like flat out like i don't think i can do this like it's just too much and it's and then you're like creeping into like midnight 12 30 one o'clock in the morning it that's rough um yeah you have to pace your i mean you really ask like you do have to pace yourself it's weird does that make sense right like you have to like like you're saying you can't
Speaker: On premiere night, yeah, I have not. I was the same. I i didn't watch all three. i might have gotten through like one, maybe two. and and And then I probably fell asleep. So then I'd have to watch it again.
Speaker: i mean, honestly, like that's just what it is. Where did I leave off? so Right. No, exactly. So I had to just start from the beginning. said, all well, screw it. I'll just start from the beginning. But it's so good. Because the show as a whole, it's i compare it to, and we might have talked about this before, it's Game of Thrones-esque where you have to really pay attention to the conversations.
Speaker: Because it's like it's the it's the talks but you know in in the castle, right, and in Game of Thrones. It's like the sidebar conversations between you know this and that character. like You really, legitimately have to be locked locked in to pay like To understand what's going on.
Speaker: Yeah, the dialogue Or you're to miss The dialogue is intense. Yeah, and that but that's part of the the greatness of the show, right? Is the dialogue. It's so good. Yeah. The story writing, the dialogue, the performances. Like, everything is top tier.
Speaker: And... It's just i I want to be able to just like watch it casually, but I just can't like this. Like i I definitely know the next time I'm going to watch or the next when I watch seven, eight, nine, I'm probably going to have to take notes like honest to God. I don't know another time I'm going to be able to like revisit it.
Speaker: And I want to be able to just like have like little bullet points that I can pull from because straight up, Lauren, when we're about to talk about like whatever we talk about, I don't even think I can keep up because i didn't take any notes and I have nothing in front of me. I have Wikipedia up and I might be able to pull some stuff out of there.
Speaker: But that was like, oh, episode two was a grown a team. didn't even know that. OK, let's go. but i i just... it's It's been a lot. It's a lot. is. I agree.
Speaker: it's a it's It's a lot. And again, that's not that's not a bad thing. It's just it's a lot because it's such a heavy story. right you're talking like this and But this is so up our alley, I think, too. like This is like the Senate stuff. This is like the backdoor stuff. like This is really... This is like spy game stuff. It is so good.
Speaker: yeah It's good, but it's it's heavy. and It's not Ahsoka. It's not Bad Batch, Rebels. like It's not the light-hearted stuff that you could maybe just... you know not Not that you can't not pay attention to those shows, but... like This stuff you really have to because the dialogue is so important.
Speaker: Legit, every storyline has me gripped, right? Cassian and Bix, Deidre and Cyril, Saw Gerrera, Ma Mothma.
Speaker: Ma Mothma's got me going crazy. Yep. Yep, yep, yep. Like, it's all good stuff. Yeah. And you don't want to like, look away.
Speaker: bro what do you think about the the bail recast yeah we'll talk about that we'll we'll get to that because it's i wasn't mad at it we'll talk about it though we'll talk about it though it was a good choice no i loved it it was perfect yeah we'll talk about that um so again any more overall thoughts andrew you want to talk about before we kind of dive in a little bit best show ever i mean legitly i agree it it Throw it up there with like Game of Thrones. I'm dead serious. It's good.
Speaker: I mean, I put it up there as far as dialogue, as far as like and like intense situations. Yeah. It's up there. I would agree. I put it up there. I wouldn't.
Speaker: I wouldn't be smirch. I wouldn't be smirch. I like that a lot, honestly. It's not. It's it's up there. Be smirch. So let's let's get into episodes one through three. So this is the first arc. So we know it's one year after the um season one.
Speaker: Right. I think it said for BBY. start off with. and Explain BBY. I mean, we can, for the viewers that don't know, it's the before the Battle of Yavin. So that is basically a new hope.
Speaker: So that's kind of like the start point of how they whatever. When the first Death Star got destroyed. Yeah. yeah Yeah. Basically, it's kind of how they keep time.
Speaker: Whatever. I mean, it makes sense in a way. But I mean, I love this is one of the best openings in Star Wars. When Andor goes into, I think it's called, Sinar is a planet, possibly.
Speaker: Yeah. He goes in there, he's undercover, and he's trying to steal this, what he believes is some obviously some prototype TIE fighter, which I think is a TIE Avenger, if I'm not mistaken, is what the ship was.
Speaker: Yes, TIE Avenger. Yeah. So just whole beginning, I mean, even his little speech with the, with the woman that he is working with, like him telling, like him talking to her about like, you know, you're doing a lot. This is, you know, really like just the letting her know that the choices that the choice she's making now is huge.
Speaker: And he understands that. And he's there to like, it was just, it was just a great like back and forth with them. Right. And her like shyness of like, she, she was told maybe not to look at him, but he was like, I don't care. Yeah. Like you're putting yourself on the line. You can do whatever you want.
Speaker: Like just that, that conversation back and forth again. It's the dialogue log is so good. And it's just, it's well acted. Right.
Speaker: So she sets this whole thing up for him to like get in there, take it, and go. Right? Seems pretty cut and dry until he gets into the cockpit and he's like, this is not what I signed up for. we later on know. We'll talk about that. Yeah.
Speaker: He is like trying to figure it out. He's hitting the wall. Everything's going... you know, upside down. and and then he finally figures everything out, how to fly the thing and how to get away.
Speaker: There's just like these moments of him like crashing, crashing the plane or the plane, like just like powers down to, for whatever reason. and then, you know, he gets out of the, um, like the little ship, the hold over the ship is, and then tie fighters are coming. He's got to get away from those. Like, it's just, that was the first like 15 minutes. Yeah.
Speaker: First all, off and running. You're off and running from there. When he couldn't control that TIE fighter, it just reminded ah me of any time I play a video game and I have to fly in that video game and i have I just can't do it. Right. You can like you can I can run to the left and jump and I can kind of like maneuver around and like aim a gun and all that stuff. But you put me in a flying apparatus.
Speaker: ah Up is no longer up and down is no longer down. And that's like exactly what he was going through. so It was cracking me up like so hard. Like, you know, those flying sequences and Lego Batman like I can't do those. Right. No, I can't do any of that. But I play like right now in Fortnite. There's Star Wars, Star Wars theme this whole month.
Speaker: And you can fly TIE Fighters the next week. Yeah. Do you? I know I can't fly them because I'm terrible at it. Do I go to them? Yes. Do I attempt to fly? Yes.
Speaker: But I like how they showed like even with his training. Although there's I mean, obviously, there is a reason why he had so much trouble, because what we find out later. Yeah, it was like a model. to kind of bring it in. It was something it was ah it wasn't the ship that they thought that he was stealing. that The specs were not what he was told and it went all to hell. So that's why he had a problem. But it still does show how you really do have to be trained to fly these, like any of these ships, right? Like, I mean, just like anything, just like in our Air Force or whatever, like you really have to be trained, trained, trained to fly these things.
Speaker: Or Tom Cruise. Or Tom Cruise, right. I mean, fair enough. But you have to be very well versed in how everything works, right? So even like even on like a ship that maybe looks similar, right? I mean, you would think, hey, a TIE fighter is a TIE fighter. They probably built them all the same way. Well, clearly not, right?
Speaker: So that's why they have test pilots. That's why they have this and that. So that was kind of, again, it's a cool thing to see and understand that, like, yeah, it's not just, you know, we see these you know pilots flying them in the movies all the time, right?
Speaker: But to kind of see that, yeah, you actually have to be trained, right? This kind of shows that. Like, it's not just stealing. One size fits all, yeah. Right, you know, like, it's it it takes skill.
Speaker: And that's why, again, you can go to like our one of like, that's why Hera is like one of the best pilots. Han is one of the best pilots. Poe is one of the best pilots. Right. Because they're very skilled at flying.
Speaker: Yeah. Right. Just because you can maybe know and understand, like know and understand. Right. Like, yeah, we know how to drive, but can I drive an f one car or can I drive a NAS?
Speaker: Right. Like, no, that's not how it works. So it's like, I like that. They're kind of bringing it ground level in that respect. That's what I really love about this first 15 minutes. Right. So then we're off and running.
Speaker: Right. I mean, and this is what I really liked about these first three episodes. that It says it sets the pieces. Right. Like we've like we've talked about many times, I think even in season one. the setting of the chest of the, of the board, right? You're putting the pieces where they need to go.
Speaker: We're figuring out where everybody is. Right. So this is a year. So now we know, and, or is like running missions for Luthen, right? Then we go to Bix in ah Brasso and they're hiding out on this like farm planet that does, that's like weak, or don't even know what it was grain or something. Yeah.
Speaker: And they're out there like quote unquote, illegally, Right. But it talk about real world. You know, this planet hires what they know of as like illegal whatever in the Star Wars like universe. Right.
Speaker: Did it trip you out that they kept calling it visas? be I mean it was weird it was cut because again it's the same same thing I mean I guess it's because they they haven't created chain codes yet right because the Empire creates chain codes
Speaker: so right right right they che right they did the chain codes we saw that in Bad Batch yeah so well so then no yeah there should have been chain codes instead of visas that kind of you know I know that's that's a nitpick but but it could depend on the planet too But visas are... Like the core. I mean, I know. I understand. It's it's similar. Similar to our world.
Speaker: But again, it kind of just shows how, again, real world, you know, where we're at in our current state of affairs. That will be my only gripe that, like, Tony Gilroy didn't get right.
Speaker: Throwing in visas. and Into Star Wars. Good old Tony. Good old Tony. Where be the chain codes? Yeah. But again, it's an interesting way, again, just showing how...
Speaker: real world Star Wars can be as maybe some people don't want to acknowledge. But again, these people were, you know, these farmers or whatever, right? Hire these people to do the work.
Speaker: And, you know, the empire is doing this audit that they find out about, and which hasn't been done in years. And then you meet these, these this creepy creepy dude that hits on bix which is absolutely gross and it was disgusting and there's way more of that we can talk about in a little bit but so we know where there are right and then we go to mon mothma and it's the wedding for her daughter Yeah, we're already at the wedding.
Speaker: Yeah. So, and that whole situation is just a cluster of chaos, madness, right? I love that. I love that everybody was there, right?
Speaker: Like, Val was there. Luthan showed up. Clea was there. Like, I loved... That's what I loved about that part. I love when you have... separate storylines and then they start to intersect with each other. I think that that's the coolest part. So I was hype when everybody was with each other during those scenes.
Speaker: Yeah, no, the Ma Mothma stuff, I think, in his first three episodes was probably my favorite. Like, just, again, like you're saying, it was where most of the and potatoes were, because that's where a lot of stuff was going down, right?
Speaker: Not outside of the wedding, right? he had Luthan and Maan trying to, like, speak in the corners. You had Clea and Val speaking, you know, in in the dark. You had Tate Coleman just being, like, a whiny...
Speaker: Wet blanket. He screwed himself over so bad. Bro. Right? And he was... It's so interesting that, again, to see what happens to that character.
Speaker: Right? I mean, a guy that Mon thought she could trust. And all of a sudden, he... ah He's not blackmailing her, but he gets greedy. Right. He was trying to say, listen, I'm doing all this stuff for you.
Speaker: Right. I'm moving the I'm watching this. but What was it? A um ah fund or organization, the foundation. Right. yeah He's running it knowing that it's illegal.
Speaker: Yeah. Right. And then he's saying he's getting lost because of what she's doing. And he's taking all the risks, which he's not wrong that respect, but he was coming at it very dumb.
Speaker: And he was like, so why, you know, what is it? it What's in it for me? You know, Luthan obviously knows he's got to go. He's going to be trouble. Mon is trying to like, you know, give him the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker: But then at at that at that point of it, though, she was like, well, He is going to talk to Skolden, I think is his name, is the father to the yeah the who her daughter's marrying the guy.
Speaker: And he in that can happen in Luthen's eyes. That's not can't happen at all. No, not at all. Can't happen.
Speaker: We're going to get, you know, Luthen came at it, though, very interesting, where he told her at one point, like, I'm protecting you like this is for you. Like, he knows and understands, you know, that how important Mon Mothma is.
Speaker: Right? And he knows that, you know, it's for her own protection, he you know, Tay has to go. And who does he send? Santa.
Speaker: What a scene between Val and Santa, just real quick in that episode. Like, just looked at each other and then just kept on walking, man. And Val instantly knew what was happening.
Speaker: Yeah. And then was viewers, too. i was like, oh, well, he's gone. He's dead. He's not coming back. I have, like, theory around, like, because obviously the way that she looked later, like, with the shorter hair.
Speaker: And she didn't she didn't have shorter hair when you saw when she left with Tay. So she must have crashed that vehicle to stage it. And maybe that's how she got hurt is what I assume.
Speaker: I think that's, yeah. that's yeah That's kind of where I go with it, right? That's what she had to do. Which is insane. Like, that's insane that that's what Luthan wanted her to do. Like, make it look like an accident.
Speaker: And, like, almost sacrifice yourself, basically. It's nuts. And she did it, though. Sinta did it, which is crazy, but... but I love that whole like the whole wedding stuff again. it was like the the rave wedding you like the rave wedding. dancing was the Then the daughter. can we Real quick.
Speaker: lio Was it Lita? Lita. I don't like her. You've never liked her. haven't. no I love that. But that that scene was so good, though, when Mon tells a story about the mother and then she turns around and says, i wish you were drunk.
Speaker: That was such a good scene. like I talk about just well written. Dialogue, giving like good depth into the psyche of like a character without like having to do too much, just like a simple story and a reaction to it. It was great.
Speaker: I again, it was it's those little moments. Right. And Mon, to her credit in that scene. Right. She's trying to tell her daughter, listen. It's you don't have to do this. Right. I know you don't have to do this.
Speaker: I wish my mom would have told me I didn't have to do this because even you know earlier before that, she was crying because he wouldn't hold, you know, Lita said he wouldn't hold her hand. bone and Right.
Speaker: And Mon was trying to tell her, like, listen, you to do this and even even the two dads were like do you think like i think it was parent ass golden like do you think your son is like you know but strong enough to or you know will strong willed enough to be able to you know hold his own and they're both and scolding was like no he's not do how do you feel about parent now I still hate him.
Speaker: and You still hate him? Really? He's not that bad. He's not terrible. No, he's a punk. He would rat Mon out in a minute. You think he would rat Mon out? oh I do not. i do not.
Speaker: Nope. I do. I think that's what's going to happen. Really? oh yeah. I think he's going to be the issue. He's always been the issue, I think. He's the wild card. I think he just doesn't care enough, right? Like, he doesn't care enough. I mean, that's me He doesn't, I mean, does he? So, like, if he finds out she's involved in the rebellion or whatever, I just think he won't care enough. He's not going to rat her out, I don't think.
Speaker: I think his friendships with certain people, I think, would dictate otherwise, in my opinion. Because he's very in with, like, the ah that crowd, the, you know, the pro-emperor crowd.
Speaker: So that, again, that's just my, that's my, I never liked him though. i Are you surprised in this, these six episodes we haven't seen the emperor yet? No, I'm fine with it. You're not fine with, you're fine with not seeing him? I don't care.
Speaker: I don't think we have to see him or Vader. I know you want to see Vader eventually, but know. want to see both. I don't, I don't care. I don't, eh. Because I feel like it was just overpower. We'll talk about it.
Speaker: and We might have talked about that before. and think it would just overpower what Andor's like what the show is about. What about a little hollow of i laura not a large hollow of of Palpatine? Because that seems like the only way you get them.
Speaker: That's I mean, again, if it was for like a Senate scene or something, I'd be down for it. But I don't need like I don't need it. Right. So but I mean, it's it. Could I see it happen? Maybe.
Speaker: Maybe. But again, in these first, you know within within the wedding stuff, you just see, you know, after she talks with her daughter, just real quick to go by, like, her demeanor changed, though, like, when her daughter was, like, up front, and she was like, no, you have to be behind me. Like,
Speaker: Telling her daughter, okay, if you want to do this, you want to do this, you're going to follow the rules then. And you're going to listen to me, right? Like, I just love that moment. Ramon trying to like take take it back a little bit, in my opinion. But i yeah, i Lita, I don't like her.
Speaker: i wonder if we'll even, we haven't seen her since. I'm fine with that. I don't have to see her again. Godspeed on that marriage. ah Like the arranged marriage.
Speaker: yeah Have fun with that. I fell that. Your dad can visit. My mother won't. Cold-blooded. she... My mother should. Her daughter's mean to her. She's trying to help her daughter out. She was like, no, mom.
Speaker: I wish you were drunk. Get out of here with that. Trying to be nice. That's crazy, yeah. But I love that moment, though, towards, you know, in the within the wedding stuff, when...
Speaker: I think Mon, I think my month will realize that Tay's going to die after that last conversation she has with Luthen of, you know, Luthen asking, you know, what's, what's, what's the price going to be? Cause it's not, it's, he's going to overhaul, like it's not going to really matter. Even if you had a number, he's going to hold it over you. And then you don't know what could happen but what he would want more of.
Speaker: So I feel like she it took her, you know, she realized it and that's when she just started dancing and got super drunk. was just like, yeah, and she's just just like, well, the hell with it.
Speaker: This is what it is. This is my life. You know, this is
Speaker: It's, you know. Yeah, it also like gives a the repercussions it gives like a good exposition of the cost of the rebellion, right? Like you you can't like save everybody. The price, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, but and you have to be able to like prioritize... like what's going to happen next and who's going to be available for, for all those things. And I feel like that theme gets just like, uh, touched on more, especially with Cassian and Bix, like in four or five and six.
Speaker: Um, so, and then also Jesus with veil and Sinta, but, uh, Yeah. I mean, i i personally like that you we got to see Mon like kind of say like, no, I don't need to save like every single person that's in my path. Like that's not what we're here for.
Speaker: We're here to be able to move on to the next step and like get the rebellion moving and like do what's possible. Because she seems like just this per like some might take her as someone that could like I just need to save everybody. Right. I don't want anyone to die. Right. Everybody's valuable to me.
Speaker: But ah in that moment, like she made a decision and realized that we have to move on from from this. I liked it. And I think that's maybe this is the start of her realizing those tough decisions, right?
Speaker: And becoming that leader that clearly the rebellion needs. Yeah. Right? Because let's jump into Andor. in his situation on Yavin in that rebel cell.
Speaker: Bro, that was so annoying. Dead serious. like It was interesting. i I couldn't stand that and that. It made me feel like, is this one of those moments where they're like just trying to frustrate the viewer so like you feel on edge like how Cassian does? like I couldn't stand those scenes.
Speaker: Yeah, I think you were supposed to be in his shoes and be annoyed with the whole situation, right? But like again, you're talking about Mom Mothma realizing decisions and what has to be done and what it takes and or realizing like
Speaker: this rebellion thing is so not ready right and you even see it later on and in the later episodes. like In that moment, he realizes how far they are Right. And trying to even become maybe something. Right. Because he had these this rebel cell that's literally fighting each other.
Speaker: and he's trying to explain that to them. Like, listen, we're all on the same side. You guys killed somebody that was supposed to take this ship. For what reason? Who knows? Right.
Speaker: For some whatever, you know, beef you guys had with each other. Right. And then he you know, they capture him thinking he's some, you know, spy when he's not.
Speaker: Right. So you realize in those moments as a viewer, though, to like how unorganized the rebellion is right now. And how like infancy stage it really is and how much Luthen is probably over his head. Yeah, completely like and and I think they talk about that, I think, later on and maybe the next arc.
Speaker: Him and Kayla, ah ah kayla her his assistant. Clea. Like, they are unorganized. People thinking Clea is Leia? know.
Speaker: I don't That's still a thing, because that was happening in season one, and I don't understand that. No, people, like, really still think it. think Anyway, those people are listening to Star Wars Theory.
Speaker: But, again, but this just shows, again, as a viewer, how, like...
Speaker: How this rebellion is so, like, just not... it would It's not ready, right? It's not ready for anything. The thing is, is that you see that even later on, right? We've seen that in Rebels when, you know, they get Mon and then she has to confront Saw and all of that. Like, you continue to see that there's...
Speaker: what do they call it? Different factions. Like there's different factions of the rebellion and some are anarchists and some are like there for like political ah gain and control. And then some are just based off of like trying to, you create a ah better galaxy for their loved ones so like what's disappointing is the the rebellion never finds its true identity and you see that in the novels as well too like you know if you read uh what's the one with leia um princess leia alderaan
Speaker: No, Oh, Bloodline. like Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bloodline. When you read Bloodline, like they win the war, yet they're still divided after all of that. And the Senate can't get anything together and in all that stuff.
Speaker: So it is kind of like disappointing. As a like a mega fan to know that like the rebellion just like cannot get it together and cannot like get on the same footing.
Speaker: And like you said, like these little tiny moments with that little rebel cell that's down under on that jungle that happens to maybe be Yavin, like they they they just can't get it together.
Speaker: And they're not they're so unorganized, right? I mean, they don't know who's leading, who should lead, why they should lead, right? And Andor's just sitting there like, this is ridiculous, right?
Speaker: And then, you know, at one point, one of the people from one of the groups kills another one. All heck breaks loose. one you know One group has Andor. The other group has a ship he landed.
Speaker: But he's only one that knows how to fly the ship. So it was like a whole like standoff situation. But the best part for me was how they, to solve a conflict, they do rock, paper, scissors. Bro, I know. It was like our greatest it's the greatest thing ever. I was like, are they really playing rock, paper, scissors right now?
Speaker: that
Speaker: It was so good. i didn't like it. That was hilarious. You liked it? I didn't like it. ah Again, i thought it was the humor of it. it's just how ridiculous, again, it's just the whole point like- It was so ridiculous, yeah. How ridiculous this rebel cell is.
Speaker: And how unorganized that particular cell is. But again, that just shows how much they have to work on and why it needs like a true leader like Mothma, right?
Speaker: To be the one that we see in Rebels, right? Make a speech. um Take a stand. Make a speech to those who are you know with her in to gather all the forces actually together as one.
Speaker: and be on Yavin. And that's, you know, that's where they go. Right. And that's what we are. I mean, this is and or was on Yavin. Because when he's flat he's flying away at the end of episode two, we see the two temple we see the temples.
Speaker: And then the I think like the red, is it the moon or whatever, the sun or whatever that we see in A New Hope. like that's That's it. it was yeah yeah You can take my Star Wars card because I did not notice that.
Speaker: It's crazy. But again, that just shows how far it has to come. And how little, you know...
Speaker: without an or you know Without a true leader, right? They don't you know they don't stand a chance. Because Luthan could be pulling all the strings. But even that's getting too much on him. And even Clea tells that to him in the next arc. But...
Speaker: But we end, so the next, you know, the last episode is we we end pretty much on the the wheat planet. Mina Rao, I think is what it's called.
Speaker: Yeah. So we end there, basically, you know, the Empire is there doing their, you know, audits. They've come to where Bix and Brasso are. They're trying to get the hell out of there, right?
Speaker: Uh-huh. And... One, Will is with his like new girlfriend. Get it together, Will. it together, Will. And then Brasso went to go get him. He gets picked up.
Speaker: Right? Bix then gets, which is a crazy scene. Yeah, that's that crazy. I mean, the whole situation was messed up. So that creepy you know officer died, comes back.
Speaker: After initially, again, Bix tells her, tells this guy, like, bro, I'm married. Like, back off. He didn't care. he basically tried, you know, he has a whole, it's a whole scene.
Speaker: ah I'm surprised Star Wars didn't do a trigger warning for that, but maybe they have added that since. Really? You think so? i mean, I think they should have, maybe. in my opinion, I think they should have. Because it could be triggering for some fans.
Speaker: They have gone through um situations like that. I thought it was a great way to show us that absolute crap side of the Imperial officers. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: I don't, you know, we've never seen that in Star Wars, like someone trying to like assault, sexually assault someone. Right. um And I think sometimes we think that like Imperial officers, stormtroopers and all that are just like mindless buffoons that are like taking in orders.
Speaker: But to see see one of the officers like in that manner was very surprising, but also like a great way to show just how disgusting and perverse like the the Empire is getting. Right.
Speaker: That's true. I mean, it it does show the... Even during war, right? I mean... Yeah, even during war, this stuff happens. Yeah.
Speaker: And I mean, you can even look at real world history, right? I mean, when you know certain empires took over certain things, right? What did they do? they pillage through villages and towns and cities and did this sort of stuff. Right. And the empire clearly is no different, but it was very interesting that, that they did that scene.
Speaker: I thought as far as like showing it in star Wars, I don't hate it. i thought it was just a very like, oh okay, we're like doing this in Star Wars, right? Then for even Bix to say the word, the R word out loud too was crazy.
Speaker: But again, it's what happened. She was, you know, almost, she was sexually assaulted. And, you know, thank God Will came back and, you know,
Speaker: shot the guy that was waiting outside where they were, right? Because Bix, again, can Bix get a break is all I want. I know, man. She gets so messed with. Yeah. Like, can Bix get a break? Like, this is all I want. I mean, she does. We'll talk about that in little bit, but She has been through the ringer. She's obviously having PTSD as we see in like the first episode. She has these really bad dreams of the doctor that tortured her.
Speaker: Right. And Dr. Gorst. And it's, you know, it's sad. And Bix is, again, a broken person for sure for what she went through and she's trying to get through it. And then to have this happen to her. Right. And then like.
Speaker: At the end, you know, her just, you know, well, her and Will. So her and Will get out. Brasso gets taken in. and then the farmer that they were working with who knew their whole situation.
Speaker: Right. Brasso makes it sound like he's one that turns him in. Right. Which I initially I didn't pick this up. I thought he actually did like like traitor, but actually he did it like Brasso made that up.
Speaker: So that it would spare him. And his family from like being, you know, in collusion with Brasso and Bix and Will. Right. Well, I, I initially thought the guy was a traitor to Brasso, but no, Brasso was doing it to protect him, which I did not pick up until again, i was watching some reactions and ah stuff like that. I'm like, Oh, I didn't even pick that up again. This is why these, these shows are, you had to rewatch them.
Speaker: you know That's why like when season one came out, like I rewatched those episodes when they came out once week. You'd have to rewatch it because there's just so much to them, the dialogue and everything like that. so I didn't pick that up. i don't know if you picked that up either at first.
Speaker: like I was like, okay. Because there's a moment where they they look at each other and Brasso kind of nods. He nods. so like They understood that what Brasso was doing. yeah I was like, okay. Because it was it wasn't adding up to me. like He helped them to like get a new... like They had to do a job somewhere else.
Speaker: He made up like a story, like paperwork and all that stuff. So it was like, why would he turn turn them in if he was helping them? And then again, it was Brasso that did it to save the farmer and his family.
Speaker: Which was really cool. I mean, Brasso's a real one. And again... Andor is like flowing out in space at this point, trying to, you know, get in contact with Lutheran or Clea.
Speaker: And Clea finally gets a hold of Andor. And she doesn't tell, well, she tells them that basically where sit um where Bix and all them are, like they're under Imperial, like whatever. They stopped all communication. So Andor just light speeds it to where they are.
Speaker: He shows up. Great scene. Great action of him flying with the with the TIE Avenger. Clearly comfortable now with how it flies.
Speaker: Takes like everybody out. Yeah. Right. But we lose we lose a real one. We lose Brasso. R.I.P. Brasso. He was real one. He was a real one. That was that was Andor's like that was his that was his buddy, man.
Speaker: Yeah, man. He took care of Marva. Yeah. And he held Marva's brick like it was. Yeah. Oh, that's right. I mean, Bronson was a real one, man. He was a real one.
Speaker: So it sucks that we lost, like, we lose him so quick. Like, we lost him in the first three episodes. So now it's like, well, who how who else are we going to lose?
Speaker: Well, we know now. Yeah, we do know now. But... like it's That was a very... like Wow. that's And that was how the episode ended, basically.
Speaker: Andor gets Bix and Will. They fly. He tells them that Brasso's dead. And that's kind of where the first arc ends.
Speaker: And it's crazy. It's crazy. We're off and running on this show. yeah like don't hold We're not holding back on anything. Yeah. so Wasn't expecting that. I was not expecting Brasso to be gone that quick.
Speaker: I mean, I'm expecting Bix to die.
Speaker: I'm surprised it didn't happen. or like i I thought that was... I don't know. like I'm just expecting her to die. I mean, obviously, she's not in Rogue One. so Right.
Speaker: i mean, never say never. i mean I'm thinking like everybody from Ferex is getting killed off. So we already have Brasso. I say Bix dies. me and Wilman's with ah with Saw. so We're going to get that in a second because holy.
Speaker: There's no way he's holding up for that. B2. Oh, B2, man. He just wants to see Andor, man. He just wants to see his buddy. Like, can we just get B2 and Andor back together?
Speaker: Like, oh, poor B2. Such a good droid. What a good droid. But yeah, I mean, that's That's a way to kick off the first, uh, the first, uh, arc of the second season, man.
Speaker: Wait, you missed part. Go ahead. Cyril his mom. Yeah. so that whole, so with Deidre, how do you feel?
Speaker: So she gets invited to this whole Krennic stuff. So they're trying to do this Gorman like campaign because they need the resources of the planet. and that's his whole this That whole so situation is fascinating with the propaganda that they were doing.
Speaker: And like they have like a whole like ministry of like whatever to like basically put in place information that they want in that planet or that whatever, right?
Speaker: And they like control the news, control whatever to what benefits them. And this is what they're you know this is what they're doing in in Gorman.
Speaker: And Krennic goes to Dietra and you know basically calls her out is like, listen, I know you already know if you think this is a good plan or not.
Speaker: And she was like,
Speaker: it's basically not a good plan. This is what I would do. Right. I would do a, a controllable insurgent, Gorman insurgents that you can control that you, you know, force the issue with, right. You control their narrative and whatever capacity.
Speaker: And that's, that's what we do. And so we do find out, yes, Deidre and serial are serial are together. Yeah. But was that kind of weird for you?
Speaker: Did that seem a little weird? Yes and no. Yeah. I mean, he saved her. Remember at the end of season one, like he saved her and they had like this moment.
Speaker: Yeah. So like, I can see that. But again, she seems like, you know, like independent woman. I don't need no man. um So like, why would she string him along? But I mean, he is, he is very like, you know,
Speaker: he he's very imperial you know oh no 100 right and then yeah so that whole dinner scene with so basically what you find out is that they're together they live in dietro's i think uh space you know apartment whatever you whatever they call it and they've been calling and like rescheduling dinner with his mom for probably a long time and teachers like no we can't do it again So she comes to dinner and that scene, that whole like situation was so crazy. So good.
Speaker: Deidre like basically standing up for Cyril and basically telling his mom, Edie, I think it's Edie. Yeah. e She was like, listen,
Speaker: You're not going disrespect him anymore. You're not going to come over here doing that. Right. you We will be in contact with you proportionally to how you make us feel.
Speaker: Like it was insane. And Edie just fell right in line, though. You know, then poor Cyril went to his bed and like slapped at Sema. It's such a mood.
Speaker: Yeah. He's just like, nah, I'm done. I'm going to go take a nap real quick. I can't handle this. like oh bless bless that Bless that kid to a certain point with his mom, that whole mom situation.
Speaker: So that was really no that was really that was really cool and again, we
Speaker: In this first arc, like, he still had his job, his current job, doing whatever, and he's, like, that scene I thought was really funny when he was, like, telling that a new employee, a new recruiter, whatever, like, what the job is, and, like, you know, if you do it, you know, if you do you do this, this, and this, you know, you can make something of yourself. And, like, you know, I was here, and then I found all this, and blah, blah, blah, blah blah right? Like, he was trying to, like, really talk up his job, which is...
Speaker: Like basically data entry to a point. So like, okay, Cyril, like calm down, buddy. But again, i it was interesting. I didn't, I wasn't sure if they were like heading into the show. I didn't know if they were going to be together or just like working together. Right.
Speaker: I thought, i thought it was going to be more work related than actual relationship, but they actually have a relationship. Which is, again, again i didn't see I didn't see that coming, but cool. I like it. I mean, it's a very interesting dynamic, these two.
Speaker: And how that's all going to play out will be a fascinating. Especially when you get into this next arc. So the next arc is another year. So now we're 3 BBY.
Speaker: And now we're we're kind of getting to the nitty gritty, right? We... who we We see Saw Gerrera in this arc. We got Mon Mothma doing some Senate stuff.
Speaker: right We got Luthan trying to you know do Luthan stuff. We got Andor doing like missions. We got Bix being you know PTSD and still and doing drugs to help her sleep and lot goes on. but There's a lot, lot, lot goes on in this arc for sure. But let's, we'll start with episode four though, Ange. Ever been to Gorman?
Speaker: Give me your thoughts, opinions, what you felt in this episode. Because this was Saw Gerrera, baby. He's back. sa be Saw being saw. What'd you think of this episode? Tell me what you liked, disliked, or how you felt going into this, to this next arc too. Are you okay with the year jump? Cause is what I see. We're seemingly doing as year getting closer and closer.
Speaker: I'm cool with the year jump. I'm cool with the somewhat flashback, Bix's nightmares, stuff like that. I'm i'm cool with, you know, sear it seems like Cyril and Dejra aren't together anymore. you know, i can keep up with a a story that's, you know, kind of jumping through through its timeline.
Speaker: So i was i was cool with all of that. um And i was also i loved it that, um you know, there was that part where um like Lonnie was in there and then Lonnie had to talk to um to Luthen.
Speaker: it There was just like a lot going on in this episode, like a ton. Right. Like Saw Gerrera and Willman and the Rhydonium. And then like Lonnie is getting in contact with Luthen. Mon's doing this stuff in the Senate.
Speaker: Yeah. Cyril's acting like he or is he not acting like he's a part of like this this Gorman whatever what the hell's going on with Deidre like there was a lot and then like Fix is having nightmares they're going shopping together yeah like there was a lot and asleep like it's it There was a lot going on in this episode, so much to where it almost feels like nothing really happened because it was just tiny it was just like these little tiny things that were setting up what was about to happen in the next episode.
Speaker: um But ah so many great things, right? So many great performances, so many great um like depictions of what the importance between each tiny little character has like in the storyline.
Speaker: And it's a lot to keep up with. So, I mean, but I i i really i came out of I came out of this episode just like absolutely loving this, right? Because I'm just like, this is like what it's all about. Like the little tiny parts of just like strong conversation and, you know, people being asked to like, ah like push themselves, like past their limit, you know, like those types of things.
Speaker: And i just, I found this episode like captivating. it I thought it was so good. yeah I mean, again, they this one was like, okay, we're setting everything up here.
Speaker: h ready for the next two episodes after this. like yeah You got Andor and you got Bix in a safe house in Coruscant, right? And then you have, again, like you're saying, Bix still going through stuff. Andor worried about her, right?
Speaker: And then him just worrying overall about being spotted. Like, do we come to this place too often? Right. Because ah when they go to get food, the guy at the counter, like, remembers Bix and all that stuff. Like, he's freaking out about that. Like, what do we know? We're going there too much. Like, there's so much, like, intense, like, we had to keep a low profile out there for him that he's just freaking paranoid.
Speaker: And then she's paranoid. Well, don't know about Paranoid, but she can't sleep because she's still going through all the messed up stuff she's gone through in the past you know couple years that hasn't been resolved, right? like And then Luthan's still trying to like you know hip play his hand, right? Him and Clea have their hidden mics in certain situations that they shouldn't, and that comes to a full head, right?
Speaker: It's just... Then you have Saw Gerrera, who is probably one of the most interesting characters in Star Wars to date. like Yeah. He is fascinating.
Speaker: So, obviously, Will is sent by Luthan to help Saw like extract Rhydonium because Will...
Speaker: like built this machine or this contraption. Right. So he's trying to train a guy to do it. Right. And like, what we find out, right. We'll stick with, we'll stay with the, with the sauce stuff.
Speaker: What we find out is the guy that was training or, well, here, this is, this is what I'll pose to you. But basically the guy that saw was wanting to train. So,
Speaker: Will goes to saw shows them this machine saw they have a mission and then Will has to show the guy then Will has to go to his next place.
Speaker: Right. But saws like, no, you're, you know, you're going to stay here until it gets done. Like you're not just dropping it off or whatever. Like, you know, you have to show this guy.
Speaker: And then come to find out the guy that he was showing was, again, supposedly a spy. Supposedly spy. They have evidence.
Speaker: Tubes had some evidence. Yeah. I found this. So... And basically he sucks Will into his, like, his, don't want to say cult, but to his faction.
Speaker: Yeah, his faction. Right. So basically Will then goes with Saw to get the Rhydonium. And Saw's giving his the speech of, like,
Speaker: Whatever, right? I mean, just this monologue, which is really good. It's so good. It was a really good monologue. Just breathing in poison and saying, it's a part of you. Like, let's do this. Take a hit. Yeah.
Speaker: But it also made me think, right? Because Rogue One, Saw has that breathing apparatus. And I've always assumed it was based off of the Rebel Rising novel that like a building fell on him and he screwed up his chest and now he can't breathe anymore.
Speaker: But now I'm wondering, maybe it's because of the Rydonium. Although it has to be that now, right? It has to be. Has to be because of that. So yeah, so he basically has Will like, you know, all drugged out or whatever on this freaking Rikonium stuff.
Speaker: That scene was wild. Like, you see it, like Will, you see Will like, trying to do this, his whatever, focusing on that, but then you have Saw, like, right by him, like, talking his ear off, this whole like, monologue.
Speaker: And basically, you know, after Will gets it, Saw just goes up to this Rhydonium, which is clearly highly poisonous because...
Speaker: Will has a mask on. Saw doesn't. Saw makes it sound like he's like, you know, this thing. He's so connected to this Rhydonium. He knows it. He understands it.
Speaker: Right. That's his whole speech. Like, you have to know it. You have to understand it to really, you know, to be a part of this and all like do whatever. He's giving him this. the speech, and then Will just takes his mask off and then sucks it in and he starts like breathing heavy and like weird and Saw's like encouraging him like, yeah, this you know, whatever.
Speaker: it was a wild ride. Now, i do you think that guy was a spy? Oh, the guy that ah that Will was teaching? Yeah, do you really think he was a spy? Because there were hints.
Speaker: But then I'm like, or did Saw just want to get rid of him so he could keep Will? Oh, I mean, the minute like it was like anybody that's like, give me the information. Right. You got it. They're sus.
Speaker: That's the way I saw it. I need to know the location. I need to know the target. Bro, you're so no, you're not that important. You don't get to know those that those pieces of information. If you're part of a team, you do what's necessary and then you move on.
Speaker: But that he was pushing soft for the location. Yeah, I do think he was a spy.
Speaker: I go back and forth. Like, I think part of me says, yes, he was because it's like, just what you're saying. He was asking those, like he was asking those questions, like telling Saul, listen, dude, there's like, I think there's like nine different or 11 different, whatever, like combinations or ah different settings that he would have to know. But,
Speaker: They only need to do one of them once they know where they need to go. But he has to know the all of them, though, beforehand. So his whole point to Saw, this guy that Will's teaching, was like, listen, just tell me where we're going so then I can just practice just on that so then we'll be fine.
Speaker: So, I mean... It was definitely, it was sus for sure. I don't disagree. But also, he was struggling with Will to understand the stuff too. So maybe he had a point.
Speaker: But I've, again, this is where I think because of who Saw Carrera is, I can see that he saw that guy, knew he was struggling, knew he couldn't waste any time, and decided to like, okay, I'm just going to take Will.
Speaker: Right. And he's just going to it. And he in he's more beneficial to me because of what he can do. Right. He can build all this equipment and everything like that. I could see that. But I mean, was lu in that len if lent, if Luthen lent will to Saw, he had to have known Saw was going to keep him.
Speaker: Maybe I would have let him go. no way. He he's seen him. There is no way. Again, then that goes to the Luthan stuff for sure. And ah we'll get to that in a second. But yeah, I, if Luthan should know who Saw is and he should know that he might do this or whatever. Right.
Speaker: So yeah, I go back and forth though. Do I think he might have been a spy? Yeah, maybe. Was it convenient that two tubes had the check and was like, it's right here. He's a spy.
Speaker: I think it's all a little sus to me. But we take it, like, if he was a truly, if he was a spy, then S.O.D. Saw knew that he was going to keep Will regardless.
Speaker: He just needed Will as like a scapegoat for this guy to ask questions so that he could sniff him out more to be sure, which he did. Right. Like once he knew that, that like you're saying,
Speaker: If he was a spy, once he knew and asked those questions like you're um about where to go what to do and then Saw came back, yeah, we're not going to that place, we're going to this other place. right The Empire's going to be over there.
Speaker: But was the Empire going to be there anyway, or were they always going to this other place? right like Again, it's Saw Gerrera, you don't know. You can never be sure. But what we do know is that he's a very...
Speaker: ah care he's a charismatic kind of character. know about charismatic is the right word, but like he, yeah mean, he convinced Will to join, kind of do what he is doing and kind of join his side. And clearly Will, I mean, is Will ever going to go back to Luthor? Probably not.
Speaker: Right? So then is Will going to die doing something for Probably. Yeah. That would be my guess. Right? So... wonder if Feryx is making it.
Speaker: I mean, you could be right. I mean, you could be right, honestly. Like... it I mean, it doesn't seem great right now. It doesn't seem all roses.
Speaker: Well, I mean, Cassian makes it. I mean, we know that. Right, we're right. We know that. But we do... So, speaking of Luthan, though, Luthan has, i think... overplayed his hand as far as trying to do all this networking with all these different cells, right?
Speaker: Because you can tell with him and Clea, things are getting intense, right? She's trying to tell him, listen like, basically, she's not telling him a lot of things up front because she and she can see how, like,
Speaker: how out of control... it's It's getting right with like what they're doing. What's crazy is... invited this like microphone and all that stuff, which we'll get to. But yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. What's crazy is what Lonnie says to Partagrass about how they're spread too thin, right? That they're they went too hard too fast, right?
Speaker: Say the same thing, yeah. Same thing for Luthan right now. Like, it's starting to just be too much. Too many people know things. And it's, you know, out of their grasp, you know. he And he even sells to Cleo, like, it I think at one point in this arc that, hey...
Speaker: Even he's having a hard time keeping up of like, who's where, who, what's the lie here, there. What are we telling this person? Who's that person? Like, even he's having trouble with it.
Speaker: Right. And even Clay, and that's why Clea is keeping some information, which is important that there's a piece of, of work that they gave to scolding.
Speaker: That is Mike. But one of the pieces in his art collection was a fake. So now they want to go through everything. Right. And now they have to go to a party and remove said hidden ah microphone.
Speaker: Straight Mission Impossible crap. Straight up Mission Impossible. Right. So cool. With Lonnie, with Clea. And like with Luthan. Krennic in the room. Krennic? Oh my god.
Speaker: but So well i want to talk about to connect it with the Mom Mothma stuff now too. So Mom Mothma is now doing her Senate stuff, right? She's trying to stop the P-O-R-D which is in season one the order basically...
Speaker: what That extended the sentences for the ah prisoners. Which is why Cassian got that ridiculous sentence yeah yeah in season one. Right. So she is trying to stop that.
Speaker: And she's talking to all these different people, which I love. Again, though that little montage of her talking to all the different senators, the different aliens and everything. Very cool. Very good stuff. And, you know, she is trying to get this all like she's trying to stop it and she's not getting the support that she thought she would be getting.
Speaker: Right. Because of where they're at, because of how tightly, you know, the empire is now with the Senate right at this point. Like, I mean, it's. The Emperor controls everything, as we know. But even within the Senate, they are losing, you know, losing their their grasp on just, you know, what they can what they can control. Mon Moth is trying to keep that.
Speaker: So she goes to this party. Krennic's there. And their conversation was one of the best conversations I think we've gotten in Star Wars.
Speaker: The back and forth was outstanding. Right. I love her dig at him like, oh, it's nice to see you outside of the committee, like being questioned for some shady stuff.
Speaker: Right. Like and then his retort of everything, like she was saying, like. it was just It was just a fascinating conversation and it was so great to have these two characters, like Mon Mothma and Krennic, go at it. It was amazing.
Speaker: And it was so good. So that that was really fun. But again... With all that, though, all that being like going on, Clea and Lonnie are trying to get this hidden like device, and she can't get it.
Speaker: like That whole situation was so tense. I don't know about you, but was like, pins and needles, like, is she going to get this freaking thing? i mean, at one point, she is it gets caught. She can't get it.
Speaker: There's like blood coming down her fingers. It was insane. it was in saying Right. And then Krennic, they finally get to where like, you know, cause the whole, the whole thing is that she's acting like her and Lonnie are like flirting. She's trying to tell them this story on this, on this, like done this piece of artwork or whatever.
Speaker: and the whole time he's flipping out, right? Like he thinks they're going to get screwed. She's trying to tell him like, you shut up, listen to me, you do what I say. And you know, we'll be fine.
Speaker: And in the end, he did, because when Krennic comes over, you know, he asks Clea, like, why she liked this so much. And then he's the one that tells the story. Right. So, like, he was paying attention and, like, knew his role and knew what to do.
Speaker: that That whole, like, dinner scenes, like, that whole situation, that party was fantastic. Like, that was some of the best stuff, in my opinion. What did you think? the Anything else that pop out of you for that stuff? Because that was that was pretty good.
Speaker: That was pretty good dialogue. Yeah, the dialogue ah was great. Just the intensity of like, are they going to get caught? Right. is Because, I mean, if Clea and Lonnie get caught, I mean, that's a huge loss for Luthen, you know, in that moment. So um it was really like interesting. And I was thinking like, bro, why do you have like a ah microphone that's like that and intent like intently like lodged onto this thing?
Speaker: It's Star Wars. Gotta make it interesting, apparently. But I just, again, but then at the end, yo know, it's funny to see Luthan and Clea kind of relax and like, you know, she tells him, well, here, here you go dummy. Like, I got it out of us. Like, we're good.
Speaker: And then Luthen's like, well, we probably could have took out Krennic while we were there. like it's is little like martin like His little like side comment of that was really funny to me. because And then she started laughing at it, too.
Speaker: The release of the tension of the situation, you know they he found you know he finds that moment of like... something to laugh about was it's insane and that's how crazy this whole situation is right he has so many in luthan's like thinking of luthan like he has so many hands like we talked about that he doesn't even know like what's going on right like Him and Lonnie have a... Like you said, we had they they had conversations.
Speaker: And you kind of wonder... I don't know about you. I kind of wonder, like, is Lonnie still with them? you know what I'm saying? like But he is, clearly, in that and that whole ah like dinner party scene. like he's he's He's one of the soldiers for Luthien, for sure. right And then, again...
Speaker: That leads lonnie you know leads to the whole Imperial stuff on Gorman. That situation is really messed up. So that's where, ah again, we find Cyril is doing the same thing he did on Coruscant, is running it to a certain point like on Gorman. It's just...
Speaker: And he's telling his mom he doesn't really like, you know, she shouldn't believe all the propaganda about Gorman and all this stuff. So you wonder after a year, did something happen? Well, we come to find out. No, he's still he's still this he's just doing spy work. Yeah, right. With Deidre.
Speaker: And well I love how Edie believes that they broke up, but they didn't. and But it's also very interesting because, you know, we see Deidre in those meetings and she's, you know, she has her Gorman stuff now and then her old assistant has her ex, uh, exes.
Speaker: Yeah. And she's still so interested in that. Yeah. Right. She can't let it go. ah Yeah. And plus it also like relates back to Andor, you know, and she can't her and Cyril can't let Andor go. Just like no way. Right.
Speaker: Right. girl I was so afraid that Cyril and Cassian were going to cross paths on Gorman. I was like, no way. Yeah. we're going to do it like that simply like, and then complicate like what's going on with Cassian. I'm so happy that they did not cross paths. Like I just did not want that to even be a part of the storyline, but um that, that like tense feeling that it could happen was like a good element that was, ah you know, a part of the story.
Speaker: Yeah. I think Gorman, that was, i mean, so he's on Gorman, right? He's doing spy work. He kind of gets involved with like this... don't know if you'd call it a rebel cell, per se, but a resistance... A resistance, yeah....to what the Empire is doing. Because apparently the Empire is building an armory literally in the middle of the city.
Speaker: Right? And it's kind of disrespectful because... they they talk about at one point again with Cassian, we'll get to that a minute, but there's a point where a story is talked about with Graham Moff Tarkin and him, like in the Gorman, like this whole massacre, the Gorman massacre. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. So when the Gorman stuff like all started, like I was like, Oh, the Gorman massacre thinking like, they're going to show us like the Gorman massacre. Right. Thinking like, obviously it's all going to go down and,
Speaker: everything's going to happen and that's going to be the point of like this story. But then like you learn that, no, it's not the one that we know. It's the one that, or it is the, what we're getting to is not the one that we thought was the Gorman massacre. And they give you a short description of what that one was. So Tarkin landing his ship on ah like a a number of peaceful protesters, um which just sounds absolutely disgusting and horrible.
Speaker: And, That ah then created this ah somewhat of a resistance against the Empire and in the the idea of of them as well, too.
Speaker: and The fact that they're just like this sophisticated planet that is like a textile planet. Like we just manufacture fabric, right?
Speaker: We make this um we yeah have this high-end fabric, right? And that's what the identity of this planet is. And that's what we want. And then the empire has to move in.
Speaker: It is so disruptive and ridiculous. You know, it's just like so perverse. I just can't get over it. And then like, oh, no, we're just here to like regulate and but blah, blah, blah, blah. No, you're not.
Speaker: You're building an armory. No, we're not. So it's just like super fascinating how to see like – the The corruption of like greed and power and how it just feels like it needs to just seep its way into like the most simplest things to disrupt just like regular society.
Speaker: And these people are just like not having it. And i I did read a story that the Gormans... are supposed to like depict like the French resistance in world war two. So that's why they have like that French accent.
Speaker: yeah And they like, I don't know if they're speaking French or they're speaking like French Gorman. I don't know. But, um, I think, you know, utilizing that, that story,
Speaker: And then utilizing what's going on with Gorman against the Empire, like to see the parallels between that was really cool as well, too. But like what we learn is these people are new to this and they... Very new. They're very new and they're also like very... ah Eager and very reckless.
Speaker: Very reckless. They're taking all of this like very personally. So you start to like kind of misgauge things, right? And you miss like um things. And you get so like passionate about it that you know you become a liability. And and that is displayed like very well.
Speaker: And the other thing is like Cassian knew it, right? He was like, they're rushing it. And the the thing is, is like Luthan's starting to rush it too. And to think of like what the sacrifice was over all of this is, is, you know, Vale and Sinta. I mean, not that Vale dies, but it's going to sacrifice her in a way as well too with Sinta being gone.
Speaker: It's just like... Man, I wish Luthan could like reign it back a little bit. But can he? Right. Can he? I don't know. And so it's just like fascinating how these next two arcs are going to play out, knowing that like the there's like a powder keg and it's it's getting really close to like hitting that that final fuse.
Speaker: Yeah, and Gorman's the the start of it, right? So yeah, I mean, so Luthan, basically Luthan sends Andor to scope everything out.
Speaker: That's his mission. Nothing big, like nothing serious, just I need you to go talk to this Gorman front and see what they're about. And like report back. Right.
Speaker: Because Luthan wants them. Right. He wants someone that hates the Empire just as much as they do. Right. He sees them as assets. Assets and allies. Like we need them.
Speaker: They they don't know that they need us, but we need them. Right. Right. So he sees them in those terms, not like you're saying, not in like, is it really smart for us to do this?
Speaker: He's just trying to get more and more people to the cause. Right. And he feels like this is a way to do it. And, you know, Cassian goes over there. And basically.
Speaker: Figures out like, no. This is you, you shouldn't get involved. He tells Luthan you shouldn't get involved. Right. They are basically, you know, they're way too reckless. They're rushing it.
Speaker: And they're not even going to try to hide it. Like they're going to make it to where people know it was them. Like it's it's bad. if They have nowhere to go. They're doing it on their own turf. Like you're going to do this. And then where are you going to hide?
Speaker: Right. You know. It's right. So it is, it's a bad, and Andor is 100% correct on his assessment. And Luthan's, like you're saying, Luthan just sees it as, okay, well, I don't care.
Speaker: were where i'm going to send val and Senta there, and we're going to, you know, do our disruption, take the, i I forget what they're even lifting, but it's like a transport full of, what is it, weapons maybe, I think.
Speaker: Yeah, it was weapons. Yeah. So, in I mean, the plan that Sinta and Val come up with is solid. Solid. Now, it's some of it obviously is because of what the Gorman like resistance kind of has set up, right? They were just seeing it, but Sinta and Val were the ones to like implement it, basically.
Speaker: And the first thing that they he basically tell them is, you guys listen to us, Do not do anything on your own. We are the only ones that have blasters. ye That goes a hand-in-hand basket. like Not good.
Speaker: right That causes Sinta's life. And what happens? It goes it goes up... you know It goes as what the Empire really wanted it to go.
Speaker: right It didn't go as... Well, that's the thing. Luthan and them are the people, like, they think they did what, like, they think it went well. But what they don't know is that Cyril, right, who they even tell Andor when Andor was there to do his recon, they're like, yeah, we have an Imperial, like, insider. And he's like, are you guys that dumb to think that they would let you have an Imperial spy? Right.
Speaker: And he's right. He's 100% right. Of course it's Cyril, right? So Cyril's there. He's telling Deidre and um her boss what's going on, right?
Speaker: And it goes to plan of what they want, right? They want this all to go down because they want to control the narrative on Gorman, right?
Speaker: So... But Luthan and them think it's it's going as they planned it, and it's not. And that's where it's going be. what What happens in a year, right? Like like you're saying, what happens the next arc?
Speaker: like That's going to be fascinating to see how this all ends and how it all, like... you know where Where do we go? where where Like you're saying, it's a powder keg that is so close to the end that you can feel it. right You can feel the tension. right Speaking of tension, azzie there's tension between Andor and Luthan. Because when Andor went to ah Gorman, he went and saw Bix.
Speaker: And Andor's not happy about that. right Because he thinks Luthan is pushing her to do like But Andor believes Bix is still not ready to do really anything major yet.
Speaker: I think he's also scared that Luthan might identify that Bix could be like a... like a um A liability, right?
Speaker: Right. And Luthien will not hold back on eliminating someone that knows who he is. So I think that's kind of another thing that Cassian was really worried about, that Luthien was there to like evaluate Bix and be like, hey, can you even like even hold up in this game anymore? Because if not, you've got to go.
Speaker: so um that those those scenes were just great you know luthan and bix cassian and luthan and then cassian luthan again and then bix and and cassian like everything was just so well um like directed in and crafted to be able to tell that story and then like to come out of the end with them just like Taking out revenge on on Gorist and Cassian not being scared to like attack an Imperial like facility like that. That part is crazy to me.
Speaker: But um yeah, like.
Speaker: You know, it was so funny when, like, Lutham was, like, talking to Cassian and he was like, kill me or take me, right? Because that's, like, what Cassian said to him in that ship at the end of season one. Like, you go ahead and kill me or take me or whatever he said.
Speaker: And it's true. Like, Cassian gets so, like, passionate in... um Sometimes you wonder if he's being like um unreasonable of like what he's what he thinks he's committed to or or um expecting everybody to do for him.
Speaker: But, you know, it's crazy. Like everybody has their own little battles. And right now Cassie is realizing that Bix has her own little battle going on with this thing that happened to her. And he needs to he needs to quench it. Right. He needs to just take care of it and make sure that like Bix is going to be able to continue to be a part in this these these rebel cells without jeopardizing like her her life.
Speaker: Yeah, and then I think one of my favorite scenes is when Andor goes to Luthien's little shop. Bro. That was so good. lucy Cassian's crazy, man. I love it.
Speaker: And I think I love how just Cassian's like, listen, dude. you're not going to screw with Bix. You're not going to go behind my back. I know what you're doing. Like, but what does Luthan do though? He gives them the mission to stop that doctor because what we do find out within the Imperial stuff, right? Is that they are expanding what that doctor who tortured Bix, they're expanding it not to just, you know, a little like side project, like they're expanding it to like a program,
Speaker: So that's, and that is bad news. So what you can defer from that too, is that obviously Lonnie is telling Luthen this information, right? Because there's a lot of those scenes of ah Lonnie in the empire stuff, like talking to other people, like, especially that scene where like the accountability thing, like or was, ba or I think was the accountability of like,
Speaker: or of Lonnie's like basically saying, i can't remember who he helped, but he helped one of the Senator guys and he's like, you can take me to lunch. And then another guy, you know, he was talking to, he was like, well, yeah, just come after you're taking care of this. You come and tell me what the report is.
Speaker: I think it was the guy, I think it was Deidre's old partner where like, he was going to be ahead because Pentagast, what's his name?
Speaker: Partagast. Partagast. Basically went to Lonnie and that guy and assigned them something. And Lonnie's like, well, since you're so eager to do this, you do it. you and you just tell me what's going on, right?
Speaker: like but that But that's how you know, though, right? Of like... Lani is with Luthan. He is still doing the spy stuff because that's why Luthan sends Cass and Bix to the facility where this doctor is.
Speaker: Right? And man, dude, to end to end this second arc on that was insane. It was so good. like and And to think about like the the balls, like for them to do something on Coruscant,
Speaker: Of all places. Right. And Imperial. Right. That is some balls that Luthan had to do that. Right. So he sends Bix.
Speaker: To kill the doctor. Right. So he goes into like this, the room. She's already in there. Like i I was not expecting any of this. She was already in that room in the corner.
Speaker: She ties him up, throws a bomb on the, on his back. Right. Or on the back of the chair that he's that he's like in. But it's the same like setup that he basically tortured Bix with, right?
Speaker: The music, headphones, she puts it all on. She cranks it up. She like, again, she slapped on an explosive on the back of the chair. And then she's you know walking out of the facility. There's like an officer.
Speaker: She shoots him. Right. And then she's, you know, she's out of the facility and she's walking and the cast comes with him. Cast, you know, kind of starts walking with her. He hits the button and it said shot it in the trailer that we see.
Speaker: hits the button and then there's just a freaking explosion in the background. Like for that to be that mission, though, that is insane. Yeah. right But that kind of tells me that Luthan is listening to Cass a little bit. wanting...
Speaker: like him like wanting like protecting Bix, but him knowing, like you said, like, and or knowing what she needs to do. Right. She, this, like this hat, she had to do this right to really clear maybe her mind. Yeah. Hopefully it works, but we don't know. Right. Well, guess we'll find out what happens in this, in these next arcs. But like, I don't know if that really will, will help her though. Right. I mean,
Speaker: I think she's still going to have PTSD probably, even though might help her in some capacity. Right. Like you're saying, I still think she's going to a liability.
Speaker: i really yeah i do. do.
Speaker: But I mean, I think going after Gorst was like a step, you know, in the right direction. But like I said, I just don't, I don't see her as being one of the characters that makes it through the season. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, again, like you're saying, it might be healed her for at a certain point for sure. But is it really going to stop her? Like, is it really like how much is it really going to help her, though? Right. And does it actually send her down a different path now, though? Right. Like, don't know. She's been killing people like it's no big deal.
Speaker: I mean, that's true. That's true. Well, again, I guess I assumed she was already, like, she was in that wheat field, right, for God knows how long.
Speaker: And then it sounds like they've been, and i mean, my understanding is correct. They've been in that safe house for, like, a long time. Not doing really much any missions, right?
Speaker: so I mean, yeah, maybe this and maybe again, maybe Luthan saw this as a chance for her to like redeem herself maybe a little bit, obviously, too. And to help her get over whatever she's, you know, hung up on. So but yeah, to end the to end it on that was insane.
Speaker: And now will be two years BBY. So I wonder what what do you expect these last two arcs? I mean, we're going to we're guys leading up to Rogue One. We know that.
Speaker: Do we get, do you think we'll see or get to the point where Mon leaves the Senate? Like, will we see that? Yeah, I think so. I think we're going to get... You know, these next three is is going to be the Gorman Massacre, and then you're going to see... like the the
Speaker: The galaxy is going to start to see the the evilness of the Empire, right? People are going to have to start to like make a choice. you ignore like the ah the repression and the the killings that are going on, or or do you do something about it, right? And I think...
Speaker: that's going to come to head in the this third arc and then what I expect to see in like the fourth arc is you know the whatever they're calling the Death Star like the power initiative or something like that um and it was a star it was Stardust no They called it something when they went and met on that one place when Deidre talked Oh, yeah, they did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think you're going to start to see like that, right? Because you have to expose that a little bit, I think, at the end of the season because that's what gets you into Rogue One, right? Like, will we see Galen Erso? Will we...
Speaker: um i think we have to, right? Well, don't about e But I think we'll definitely get mentions of the names, right? Like we'll definitely hear, I think his name, I think we'll hear Jin's name.
Speaker: Yeah. i mean, obviously we're getting K2 at some point, I think in the second half of the, you know, these last two arcs. um I'm curious to see, like, again, do we get the mom Mothma?
Speaker: Because if we are getting the Gorman stuff, this is why she leaves the Senate, right? Because we know from that rebel speech that She mentions this, right? i believe if I'm not mistaken. So like this is the, this, you know, this whole thing, this whole moment is when she decides to put herself on the line and make, and be the front person for a actual resistance to the, to the emperor.
Speaker: Right. So I'm interested to see how that like, process starts for mom, what it puts her through as far as with her husband, right? Again, i i think he's a sleazeball, and I think he is would turn her in in a heartbeat. I really do.
Speaker: Wow. I really do. I think Perrin is that. But we'll find out. i could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong, but... But I wonder, because again, we we know we know we don't see her with him when we get into Rebels, right? We don't see, not to say that he's not in the background somewhere, but we don't see him when she's in any other like material post this stuff.
Speaker: yeah So does he die? Does he die protecting her? Does she just leave him because she knows that he's no good, right? Like, do we even see her daughter again? Like, how does her daughter take any of this?
Speaker: Because in that first season, you and i always thought that I if remember, i mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but we always thought that obviously her daughter was very on her dad's side and her dad was again, didn't like all the political BS that she did. Like he's not, he's not all about that life.
Speaker: Right. He likes to gamble. He likes to do this and that. Right. So Will what she, you know, if if she if he's the one that finds out or when it comes to light that she's been doing this, does Perrin stick with her, right?
Speaker: Which I don't think he would. and sacrifice maybe sacrifice himself so that she can get away? or not? Like, that's where I'm at with it. Like, I could see it going maybe either way.
Speaker: It's interesting, like, will Skull didn't have to do anything with any of this? like because Probably not, maybe. I know, it seems like he's just gonna kind of go off to the wayside, but what did we utilize him for? to For Leta to have a wedding and for Tate Coleman to get killed? Like, I feel like it's just weird.
Speaker: And i don't know. We'll see. like There's a lot going on. And it's too bad that, you know, we couldn't at least like split two years into a season and then two other years into a season. Like we had to condense four years into one season, but whatever.
Speaker: It is what it is now. But... ah I mean, we have i don't know i don't know where we're getting. All I know is that next week or this week or, you know, ah Arc 3 is going to be, the Gormans are going down.
Speaker: We assume. and the and the And the galaxy is about to to find out the nastiness of the Empire. We assume that, right? We assume that's what's going to happen. Or is it already going to be trans have happened within the year jump, right? Like, we just don't know. I don't know.
Speaker: Right. We just don't know. So it's going to be fascinating. Like said, I'm really excited for the on the more of the mon stuff. Oh, it's so yeah. Real quick, though. We forgot. We'll we'll talk about the semi recast of Bail Organa.
Speaker: How did you feel? Benjamin Bratt? ah I like Benjamin Bratt. I love Benjamin Bratt. I he's great Bail Organa. Honestly, mean, Jimmy Smith's obviously main man. But he wasn't available.
Speaker: Obviously, we've seen him. be He was used in Obi-Wan Kenobi. But he just wasn't available. And I think Benjamin Brant's awesome recast. It's good. like I like it, too. Oh, I was not mad at it. I'm just glad we got bail.
Speaker: like Yeah, exactly. you think we'll get more? I would think so. I think that's kind of why they did like a soft launch of them like in that in that episode, just so that when we like see him later, um maybe ah joining up with Mon for, you know, this this break from the Senate and from the Empire that we know like it's going to be like a ah different Bail Organa. So I think it's fine.
Speaker: Yeah. No, I like that. I'm a big as much as we love Jimmy Schmitz in this house. We do love some Benjamin Bratt. He's a great actor. Been a lot of good stuff. And he's like almost perfectly like it's almost perfect that he would take over.
Speaker: on Like it really is like it's it's a good recast. Like they're so similar in the ways they look. It just yeah, it works. It's fine. I don't. Yeah. it I mean, it did catch me off guard when they said bailed and it was Benjamin. i'm like, oh, wait, where's where's Jimmy?
Speaker: But I'm like, ah all right, well, clearly either Jimmy was busy or something that happened. Who knows? ah But I'm glad we did get bail, though, as a character, because he is very important, I think, moving forward. Right. Because. Yeah, absolutely. Him and Mon are two peas in a pod when it comes to this resistance stuff, as we know.
Speaker: Kind of. i mean, it's so like you kind of need him. So we'll see. We'll see how moving forward that that goes. So. All right, Ange, anything else you want to talk about before we wrap it up?
Speaker: Man, I just love this show. i mean, honestly, it is the i mean the production of it is just outstanding. like Everything is so good that it...
Speaker: that it I mean, I just hope it doesn't get passed by ah for like Emmy recognition or anything like that, just because it has the label of Star Wars on it. Just because I think like the performances that we're seeing from this cast is absolutely outstanding.
Speaker: Yeah. Handsome. And Ariel Kleiman, that guy, he directed the first six and they these were outstanding.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. So, again, it's... Yeah, I'm excited to see where this goes. I think we can go in a lot of different directions, right? Like, we will... Like you're saying, do we stick with the Gorman stuff? Is this just in this arc?
Speaker: Do we move past that and start seeing really the... the formation of a closer knit resistance, right? Cause like in rebels, we know it started getting like tighter and tighter as far as people knew that, Oh, okay. You are a part of this.
Speaker: Yeah. You're this faction and you're part of this area. this squadron yeah You're a squadron. You're yeah. So will we start kind of seeing that too, right? Start seeing the rebellion be more cohesive in becoming that a, a stronger organization, stronger unit.
Speaker: Right. I think that, I think we still need to see that. I think that that I, I really do believe for me, I think the death star stuff is going to be more the focus. These last two arcs, as far as the building of it. And like, somehow somebody will get information about something right. Of like the, the rumblings of, Hey dude, they're building, you know, they're building something.
Speaker: Right. And I think maybe that's, this is going to be the start of all that. And You know, will we get a Galen mention or or a cameo? I would love it. Will we get a Jyn mention? I think so. Right. Because, I mean, eventually we have to get to the point where we see Andor and or in Rogue One.
Speaker: you know, in this in that, wherever he was, you know, and he, you know, kills that guy in the street. Like, we have to get to that point. We have to get to the point where Andor is like that, because right now, he's not to that point, but he's getting to where he's that cold-blooded, though, right? like yeah Like, we're seeing the ramp up to where we see him in Rogue One, right? So, like, what other missions does he do and all that? Like, it's going to be fascinating,
Speaker: I'm excited. We'll see where we see where we these where they land the plane. I mean, we know it's going to get connected to Rogue One, but like how? like That's going to really fascinating to see for sure. All right, Ange.
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