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Episode 162- Andre Season 2 Recap: Episodes 7, 8 & 9.
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Welcome to The GALactic Podcast! In this episode, Andrea and Lauren chat about Andor Season 2 Episodes 7, 8 & 9. We are the Ghor! The character arc of Syril is...something. Mon Mothma gave the speech of all speeches. How tense was it for the GALS?. They discuss these topics and much more!
Reminder to rate and review where available. And as always, may the Force be with you.
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Introduction and Hosts' Love for Star Wars
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Speaker
Hello everyone and welcome to the Galactic Podcast. I am Lauren mo Romo and with me as always my cousin and fellow nerd Andrea Gutierrez. Yo, yo, yo. Right sons, what's going on cuz?
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and Not much, you know. Star Wars-ing. Man, I love Star Wars. Yes, we'll talk about it in a minute cuz. ah This show is so good.
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Wow. Hey, I started watching ah Tales of the Underworld. Oh, we gotta talk about that. Bro, that came out swinging. buts told you, that first one hits.
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Speaker
I was like, okay, if this is what we're doing. The first two seconds. yeah Yeah, we'll talk about that one for sure later, because... Yeah, that was some really good stuff. Andor, I mean, there's just a lot of good Star Wars going on right now. So we are in a good time. We're in a good time for sure.
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All
Quality and Storytelling in Andor: A New Era?
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right. Well, we're to waste any time because there's a lot to talk about in these last three episodes of Andor. So let's get to it. But. If this is your first time listening to us, welcome. We are Star Wars Podcast to discuss every everything and anything within that galaxy far, far away.
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each episode, we will dive into one or two topics, have a general discussion on them. Topics could be movies, TV series, books, comics, a specific character, you name it. And we talk about it.
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Wow. All I gotta say is just wow in these episodes. Wow. Just blown away. Just absolutely blown away. Like... This is, I think, what you and i thought this show was going to be.
00:01:46
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and it has lived up to it. But this just took it to a next level, I feel like, these last three episodes. Yeah. I mean,
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it has surpassed my expectations of
Can Andor Maintain Its Quality?
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what I thought this show could be. The intelligence of it. The message behind it.
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The artistry. It's so freaking good.
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But I'm actually kind of nervous that I think like it won't stick the landing because these three are really, really solid. Yeah. No, thats that's a good that's a we'll talk about that ah at the end, because I think, yeah, there could be right. There's potential.
00:02:29
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I don't think so. But right. I mean, there is that maybe that nagging thing in the back of. our heads that are like, can it really stick the landing though? Like it's been so good. i mean, I'm going to be honest. i if If it would have stopped, like, at episode nine with Mon Mothma giving the speech and them, you know, and Cassian getting her, you know. cool.
00:02:54
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I'd be cool, right? I would be kind of like, wait, what's going on Krennic and, like, the Death Star? I would kind of be like, eh, but I wouldn't care. Because the Gorman massacre, Mon speech, the lead up to all of that, them on Yavin,
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It's just like, that's what it's all about.
Episodes 7-9: Detailed Analysis
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Like, it was so good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're talking about episodes 7, 8, and 9 of Andor Season 2.
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ah So the director of all three was Janus, if I'm mispronouncing that, my apolog apologies, but Janus Metz. ah So he did The Messenger, which is episode 7, and then episode 8 was Who Are You?
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Then episode 9 was Welcome to the Rebellion. So, I mean... apropos titles fits each episode really really well so angela i mean let's kind of just maybe continue give me your overall thoughts on these three apps we're gonna dive into each episode more detail for sure as we always do but let's just talk about your overall thoughts feelings how'd you view it right well what was that kind of set the scene uh how you consume these three episodes let's talk about it i'm gonna be honest i don't even remember
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I mean, that's fair because like it's just so much. they can watch hate the night of I watched it the night of. Yes, I did. ok Okay. okay And I ah think I drank a cup of coffee to just like be ready for it.
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ah The first episode, The Messenger, so so many little tiny nuggets in that one that were just outstanding um and we'll get into the detail of that ah and then the emotional emotionally charged eighth episode um what was it called again who are you
Theatrical Release Rumors: Andor & Rogue One
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I mean, want to say that, like, when I got to nine and got to Mon's speech, I was still reeling, like, from Gorman massacre, Cyril, Cassian, like, all of that stuff to where, like, it was hard for me to focus on the amount of, like, stress and fear and terror that Mon was having,
00:05:13
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Like through these moments. So I did just watch that one episode again and to revisit like the conversation she had with Luthan, like her finding out like her person was like, you know, ah in with Luthan and spying on her the entire time.
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All of that had a little bit more weight to it the second time I watched it because coming out of um the Gorman
Diverse Star Wars Storytelling: A Rich Universe
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Massacre, I mean, I was just like, whoa. Yeah, your head's spinning. Yeah. Right.
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Oh, 100%. I agree. I agree. well Again, any other feelings kind of with the overall three? i am so I am really loving the three arc, the episode arc. Is it holding up for you? i I feel like it is still.
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It's good, but I mean, here we are. It's
Complexity of Andor: A Deep Dive
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almost over, you know? That's true. It's kind of rough. Yeah. I mean, so much amazing content and it only lasted four weeks.
00:06:03
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It's just like, hmm. And it's crazy to think that each week it was a movie, like, legitly. Yeah. An hour and close to two hours plus.
00:06:14
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I think we were close to three from this past one. Yeah. Like, I mean, you're, yeah, you're over two hours, close to three each week. It's just, it's insane. Yeah. So did you hear this rumor about how they there's like a theatrical version that they may release?
00:06:30
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Yeah, somebody was talking, ah like I read that where Gilroy said he's thinking about it for the 10 year for Andor, which came out.
00:06:40
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Rogue One. I'm sorry, yeah. Rogue One, which came out 2016.
00:06:47
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I believe. Yeah. It was the year before right year before. ah ah Last Jedi. Last Jedi. Yeah. So I and listen.
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You have my money. I'll be VIP seats in the theater we go to. Like, I'll go see Rogue One again in theater no matter what. like it I don't need to be enticed.
00:07:09
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I can watch the entire thing of Andor on top of that? Bro, give me my breakfast, my lunch, my dinner. I'm there. Like, where we, our VIP seats, have tables, I'm cool.
00:07:22
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Yeah, heaters. I'm good. Let's do it. In the middle of December, I can i can hold up. I can do it. Yeah, I can sit there for what ah how many and how many hours? Like, it's ridiculous to think about.
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But that'd be cool. I'd be interested to see if they if he does do that. Or if they allow that to happen. I don't know. I hope they do a...
Political Themes in Andor: Real-World Reflections
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A re-release of Rogue One in theaters again.
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i saw it in theaters. i think i I think we both probably saw it in theaters when it came out. I saw it in theaters, but I saw it late, right? So it came out mid-December, right? And I didn't see it until New Year's Eve.
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Oh, okay. And everybody was like, you gotta go see it. You gotta go see it. And I was like, all right, like, okay, whatever. And then you saw it. And then I saw it and I was like, holy crap. Yeah, okay, I get it.
00:08:14
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Yeah, that's going to be interesting. Well, yeah, that i I would love it. i don't If that can happen, I would be totally in for it. Because thinking about how you... I mean, it's possible to do all that, obviously. Like, put it all together. It would it would be a lot... I mean, that's got to be...
Rebellion Setup: Dynamics and Strategies
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Because, what, 12 episodes in the first season, too?
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ah think. Pretty sure. And then 12 episodes, you're talking like 24 hours plus Rogue One. I mean, I'll do a two day thing. I don't care. like what i mean, I'm sure like if they have a theatrical release, they're going to like shrink it down. Right. Give us the good parts.
00:08:56
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Maybe. why? I mean, why? I mean, they're all good parts. Right. Exactly. I mean, do we really need to see Aldani? I mean, yeah. Aldani rocked, I thought. ah loved it.
00:09:07
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Especially at the end when you see all the lights and stuff. Like, come on, dude. i yeah Yeah. I need that. You need it. You need it for sure. We'll see. mean, I would love it. Narkeena 5? Do we need to? Of course we yes we know need Narkeena 5 again. Are you kidding me?
00:09:20
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On the big screen? Come on. On program. What are we doing? What are we doing? What are we talking about? Bro, I'll in my recliner one way out. Yeah, exactly. One way out. I'll wear like a white, what is it? I'm going to wear one of those suits. Yeah, man. Heck yeah. Heck yeah.
00:09:36
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yeah But yeah, no, I would love it. That'd cool. um But for me, yeah. So, I mean, getting back to Andor, these last three episodes, they were spectacular for me. I watched it the day after, ah not the night of, I watched it the day, the next morning, so I could watch all three
The Gorman Uprising: Empire's Manipulation
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during work.
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And yeah, that rocked. it It rocked. Like, it was just so good. Like, it it's such a setup. And you talked about it last week too, Ange, where it's the powder keg that was waiting to come about.
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The fuse was lit. we were just waiting for it. And this was it. This is the powder keg. We saw it go off. And then we even saw the aftermath. Of the powder keg, right? We got the whole enchilada, man. We got everything in there. Enchiladas sound good.
00:10:29
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know, right? I mean, we digress. But you get the whole thing. I mean, you experience the fuse, the lighting of that powder keg, and then the aftermath of it. Like, this was probably some of the best... I'm not even going to say Star Wars.
00:10:48
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I'm going to say just television overall. This is some of the best television...
Introduction of the Force Healer: Cassian's Destiny
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Period. That I've watched in a while. I agree 100 percent. But I do want to mention this. My mother can't get into it.
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And i don't know if like it's a little bit above her head. Right. The. the propaganda portion of it, the the genocide, the ah insurrection, the ah the the martyrs, the you know the the misdirection of what the media is doing.
00:11:27
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I think it's over maybe her head. I could see that. Like if you're not a total, again, maybe in maybe I could be wrong on this and I hope I am. Because i feel I feel like generally speaking, like general audience do enjoy the the show.
00:11:44
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But I do wonder if like if you aren't. I don't want to say if you're not like a total Star Wars nerd, it's not going to hit as hard. Or maybe here she's a little too like Star Wars because she's like, where are the Jedi? Yeah.
00:12:00
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Right. And I think it depends on what you enjoy out of Star Wars. Right, right, right. I agree. No, I am 100% with you on that. Like, obviously, you and i we are huge nerds. We do this podcast.
00:12:13
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Like, we enjoy all kinds of Star Wars. Political, the political stuff, the Jedi stuff, Empire, Rebellion stories. Like, we like it all, right? under Like, the underworld stuff that we'll talk about. um Just those, these little stories, because we are so invested I don't know if... like If you're not super invested and into Star Wars, like I think you could enjoy the show for what it is. like It's a good television show. it's It's compelling. and I mean, you are on the edge of your seat almost every episode, right? Or even every arc, right?
00:12:50
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But I guess that maybe if you're not... super well versed into like, Oh, what this means, what that means, how the connections are. Maybe it probably doesn't hit as hard.
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Like for us, like we know what that speech, my Mothma, what it meant a for the rebellion and like, you know, her story and b we know what the story is in between of between her leaving and getting to Yavin.
Cassian's Principles and Reluctance in Rebellion
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We know that story because it was told in rebels. right So like the bigger connection of ah of it all, I wonder if it plays a part. But I i i think I can understand it, though. I think, like you said, i think it it depends on your cup of tea at Star Wars. Do you like the Jedi stuff and Sith stuff? Do you like just the mystical, mythical stuff of it?
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Or do you like it all? right Can you jive with Mando, right the bounty hunter stuff, or this and that? It's just... I think it's just, it's it's your preferred cup of tea of Star Wars. And maybe it's not for everybody, but... I also think they're doing a really good job at keeping the ISB and the Imperials as...
00:14:02
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um Like, low-key of evil as possible, right? We're not, like... Yes. You can't, like, feel it. you know We know Imperials bad, right? Like, off the bat. But um maybe a casual viewer is kind of like, well, i don't really understand. Like, what are they doing? Like, they're just trying to, like, keep order and blah, blah, blah, whatever. And it's not, like...
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It's not super clear about like what they want on Gorman. Right. I mean, obviously we know what they want has to do with the Death Star. So like that is maybe it's just not clear for my mother. I don't know. I don't I don't know. But I would say for ke some very casual viewers, I think you're probably right. Like, it's just like, OK, what?
00:14:47
Speaker
Why are they doing this? Like, I don't understand the Imperial. Like, they're stopping these people from taking, like, I get you're like, is you a good guy? Is he a bad guy? Is Deidre bad or good? Like, what is going on? Are these French people bad? Like, I can see, like, confusion coming in. Yeah.
00:15:04
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But um personally, for, it's my cup of tea. Like, I am yeah on every beat. Every beat. And it's great. Yeah. It is. it's It's really good Star Wars. And again, even beyond Star Wars, it's good television.
00:15:21
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Like, it's captivating. It's intense. It's, you are on the, like I said, you're on the edge of your seat almost so every episode, especially these last two. Episodes eight and nine were really intense.
00:15:34
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But let's um let's dive into it, Angela. You got anything more you want to say, like, just overall? No. Before we dive in? Okay. Okay. Let's go to episode seven. Let's go
The Gorman Massacre: A Turning Point
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to the messenger. I think this was such a great like setup to what we were walking into.
00:15:52
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Such a good setup. Like we're a year out from what we saw last, right? Last time, last time we saw basically and or imbix together on Coruscant trying to like kind of live their life doing what they're doing Not really trusting Luthan, which we're we going to get that to a second. Right. Like lot of stuff happened in those first six episodes. Right.
00:16:17
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ah We're a year after that. And where do we go? We go straight to Yavin. We go straight to the rebel, ah the rebel but had headquarters. Right. That we know. So it's been a year.
00:16:29
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We find out that, you know, through Will. So Will comes home. Right. And we find out that he's basically still kind of helping Luthan.
00:16:41
Speaker
Seems like he still maybe was Saw. i Not really clear. Not clear on that one. Right. I'd be interested more of those. Like, what did he do in that year? Was he doing missions for Luthan that involved Saw?
00:16:54
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Well, it seems like he was on Gorman a lot because he like definitely has a new girlfriend.
Cyril's Internal Conflict and Moral Awakening
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Right, right. He definitely was there. We get that vibe that Luthien sent him to Gorman for an X amount of time.
00:17:08
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And this is, you know, this is what he's trying to get Cassian to do. So we find out basically that Cassian and Luthien have not talked in a long time, it seems like. i We don't know the exact time, but it's been a while because Will makes comments when he meets him and Bix at their place like,
00:17:29
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Basically, Luthan's like, you know, he's he's told Cassian that Luthan hasn't heard from him in a while and blah, bla blah, blah, blah. He wants to know, you know, whatever. Wants to kind of just know what's going on with with that. And you can tell Cassian was pretty much done with, like, he wants to be done with Luthan.
00:17:49
Speaker
Like, he wants to be done with that, all of it. Like, all that crap that he does for him, he wants to be done with it. Yeah, he's, ah you know, there's a lot of talk of you're going to need an army to beat this force of, ah you know, the imperial.
00:18:09
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It's gigantic, right? The imperial machine. The imperial machine. And you need an army and you need to, um like, come together. and I mean, we'll hit some really good points as well, too. Like, you got new faces coming in, like, every day. Like, who can you trust, right? Because that's the one thing, like, they've tried to make sure that they had with Luthan and all of that. so but But it's also just, like, Luthan feeding their heads full of, like,
00:18:40
Speaker
you know, manipulation of they can't trust anybody. But, I mean, it's true. You just don't know when you have people coming in and out. And, you know, so. Right. the or Like, the
Cyril's Confrontation and Tragic Fate
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a bigger organization. I think Will's kind of, his point was that he believes in Luton and what he's what he' is making things happen.
00:18:59
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He doesn't, like you're saying, doesn't trust, you know, he sees the rebellion as just, bigger cause as just not really maybe doing the things that Luthan is having him do.
00:19:13
Speaker
Right. And I love, again, I love this conversation between Cass and, and will like basically like, dude, what, like, what are you, what have you been doing? You won't tell me.
00:19:24
Speaker
Right. He finally tells him, like you said, it was he's been on Gorman and, you know, he basically is Kind of the is the messenger, right? This double meaning in this, obviously, episode. Will being a messenger and or being a messenger. But Will's the messenger from Luthan telling, you know asking for Luthan to catch for Cassian to join Will in taking out Deidre.
00:19:51
Speaker
Yeah. How like I was a little bit like, whoa, du whoa we're going oh we're going right for. Yeah. Like we're going for this right away. Which I mean is really super appropriate because she is like that focal point around Cassian Luthan and getting like identifying like parts of the rebellion. That's where she's been since season one.
00:20:15
Speaker
And then it felt like it kind of fell off because they took her away. But now it's like right back in there again. You know, she's she's right in the in the thick of it, in the middle of it. So much that she just stands up on her, you know, her little like pulpit and like watches like the things like unravel.
00:20:34
Speaker
And man, her arc is wild. Fantastic. Her and Cyril. Wow. Yeah. We're obviously more to come.
00:20:45
Speaker
ah But yeah, I mean, I think the one line that I really enjoyed Will and, you know, between Will and Cassian's conversation, Will says to him, he's like, you know, you act like Luthen is the enemy.
00:20:57
Speaker
And Cassian's like, that would be easier. and it would because they are taking on an entire Imperial military machine. It's not just one. It's not just one guy.
00:21:13
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Like, it's not just Luthien. So you understand where Cassian's coming from. is like, yeah, that would be easier, wouldn't it? Like, yeah, but no, we are in Like, Kim and Bix see the bigger picture, but clearly Andor's not really sold on that bigger picture, right? Like, is.
00:21:32
Speaker
And we'll get to that in a little bit, but, like, Bix is definitely more into that. The cause, what what they're trying to do, and wanting to win... the whole you know win and beat the the Imperial, the Empire.
00:21:45
Speaker
Yeah, everything that they've been doing it needs to be worth it. yeah Right, right. And Andor just sees it as, listen, I'm here for this short amount of time. I want to leave when I want to leave. And we'll talk about that when he talks to Draven, but
00:22:01
Speaker
that I love that again, you you're setting up to be like, okay, Will's back back on Yavin. um This is what Luthan wants now, right? The next mission, per you know, really.
00:22:13
Speaker
So i love, again, I love being on Yavin. You see, and I like how you see how organized rebelling is now, right? Like it's not this kind of where we first saw them in episode one of the of this season.
00:22:28
Speaker
This ragtag, you know... Fighting each other. Who's in charge. Now you are fully in an organized, like, setup. Right? Like, I just love it. I just love it.
00:22:42
Speaker
So now we go to Gorman and now we learn that Deidre... has been told officially, right? Because previously the the thing was that they were going to try to find different alternatives for their death star problem that Krennic was trying to figure out, right? For this ultimate power initiative that Palpatine wants from Krennic.
00:23:08
Speaker
And what they find out was that there's no alternatives to, uh but is it pentagon i can't remember is it pentagon part of grass part of gas part of gas tells deidra that they have not found the alternative yeah and it's it's officially a go they're going to take over gorman and strip its resources and you can kind of tell that she was like are we sure like
00:23:38
Speaker
That she she wasn't fully behind it, but she was just following orders, if that makes sense. But don't know. What was the vibe you got when she first heard that from him? like Yeah, I think her vibe was like, okay, we're not just going to occupy this area and like push him out. like We're about to like really get him going. in the place. Right, yeah. yeah So I think that's... I don't think she...
00:24:06
Speaker
she Her focus so for so long was moving up like the corporate ladder of of the Empire and the Imperials that she wasn't focused on what they're actually doing to society.
00:24:19
Speaker
And now she will start to see that in a smaller scale, but an absolutely like powerful and devastating scale. And um it's going to change her and Cyril absolutely the same.
00:24:34
Speaker
Yeah, so Serial. So Serial. Serial. Serial. Yeah. So he comes in and asks her what's kind of going on because there's just a lot of going like there's just a lot of news being talked about.
00:24:50
Speaker
Insurrection on Gorman and stuff is happening, this and that. And she basically tells him that, like, a She can't say, obviously, anything because she knows what the bigger, at this point, she knows what the bigger, like, thing is. She knows the bigger plan.
00:25:08
Speaker
He does not. So she's trying to keep him under wraps. But she is trying to, like, wink, wink, nudge, nudge him, like, say, hey, listen, be ready. Like, we're going to have to leave quick because ah part of Gareth tells her, like, it's going to be 48 hours.
00:25:25
Speaker
Like, it's... Like that. like Yeah. And like we're counting on an uprising. We're ready for a war. Let's go. And she even's like, you know, they're going weapons. And he's like, yeah, dude, we're counting on it.
00:25:36
Speaker
And what's crazy is that this was her idea. From the get. This is what she told Krennic. Like she was like, you need an insurrection that you like insurgents that you need to control.
00:25:47
Speaker
Yeah. This is what they have. This was your plan, Deidre. From the gate. This is what you told Krennic you would do. Yeah, this is why you're here. And now it feels like you're kind of wishy washy about it, which is crazy.
00:26:01
Speaker
But like maybe she's a little wishy washy because she's not making the call. Like, we're ready. This is what we're doing. Let's go right now. Instead, they're like, in two days, this going to be over with. They're telling her. Yeah. And she's just a little like flustered that she's not the one that made the call.
00:26:21
Speaker
Right. That she thought maybe they should be more, like you're saying, occupy it, push them out. And then instead of just like in 48 hours, we're taking everything over and we are destroying this planet basically. Right. Yeah.
00:26:35
Speaker
So again, it's a good setup to what's going to happen on Gorman, right? you're youre the The seeds are being planted. They're starting to put things in motion, right? And then on the other side of Gorman, you have you know you get that little meeting of the Gorman resistance.
00:26:52
Speaker
And you can see the difference between like the older generation And the younger generation and the of this kind of insurrection, the the the the resistance, really, the Gorman resistance that, again, A, has been planted and the unbeknownst to them. Right.
00:27:09
Speaker
Like, they are doing what the Empire wants them to do without knowing it. But to the credit of the older, like, the older gentleman that Cassian saw in the and the last episodes,
00:27:25
Speaker
The designer guy or whatever his name. I don't know his name. Yeah. But he was telling his daughter and I think his son and all those other people. He's like, listen, this is not like there's a better way to do this than to be armed and be ready. Like he was trying to basically tell them this is what we're doing, what they are telling us to do.
00:27:43
Speaker
Right. Like basically like this is. This is this isn't the way we this isn't what we should be doing. We should be doing it more like of a silent or like a different way.
00:27:55
Speaker
Not as loud, not as whatever. And, you know, his his his kids are like, no, we have to be you know, they need to hear our voice. We need to be heard. And, you know, then there's that um older gentleman, the one that carried out Senta in the last episode, too.
00:28:12
Speaker
was kind of like kind of with the older guy too. He was like, listen, doesn't matter if we are loud. Doesn't matter if we throw rose petals on the road. Doesn't matter if we do this or that. We have to stay gore. We are gore, right? That is kind of like their, their battle cry or whatever. Like we are the gore, like we are gore.
00:28:33
Speaker
And that was his whole thing. Like we just have to, we have to stay together. Right. Right. We have to stay together as the gore. We have to be the people, you know, we can't lose our identity. We can't just let them, you know, take that away from us. We are gore.
00:28:47
Speaker
So again, you see the, you see the beginnings of like, what, what will be just, again, the powder keg is lit. The fuse is going and you see it all built, you know, building up on, on Gorman for sure. Right.
00:29:03
Speaker
So, um, Anything else you want to add to that meeting, Ang? Like any, anything that popped out to you or like any, like comparisons or anything you I mean just a you know it's it's a little small rebellion within itself right and and just like the future Star Wars rebellion um there starts to be differences of opinions on how you're going to do things and and fighting and battles back and forth with each other is kind of you know what was displayed in that moment as well too um so
00:29:39
Speaker
It's, you know, it's so frustrating when groups like that, ah like, lose their way. And then the the big bad machine has this centralized thought process, um you know.
00:29:56
Speaker
so i mean, i I like the idea of them saying, like, hey, let's, like, put this aside and, like, we are gore. We're, like, go this is what we do. Violent or nonviolent, whatever we're doing, we'll meet it, you know.
00:30:08
Speaker
And it's just like unfortunate because they don't know what they're up against, to be honest. Let's be honest. They don't know. No, they have no idea. They, I mean, they're walking into a ah bad situation that they're not even right.
00:30:23
Speaker
It is. You know, Ackbar is a trap. It is. They have no idea. Except that, again, that old guy. He knew knew, man, entire time. What was his name? Braslin?
00:30:33
Speaker
Maybe. um and Yeah, something like that. But he knew, right? And we'll get into that because he was, in the next episode, he was very vocal about that. But so the then we get into, we go back to Yavin and we see Bix and Kaz go into a Force Healer, unbeknownst to Cassian.
00:30:57
Speaker
And we find out Marva hates force healers. One force healer. One force healer. haven't 10 years ago. force healer. Let's be clear on that. One force healer. One force healer.
00:31:08
Speaker
But no, this is very interesting. So obviously what you know we see in the beginning of the episode, Kaz is, you see a bolter, like a laser bolt, like shine that went through. Yeah.
00:31:19
Speaker
Went through his shoulder, his right shoulder. And, you know, Bix was telling him like, listen, you know, let's, we haven't, let's try this. Right. I, you know, she knows his, his feelings on the force healer, but she wants, you know, her whole point was, you know, why, why wouldn't you want to try everything?
00:31:43
Speaker
Right. Why not exhaust all your, all your, all your resources? Right. Let's see if this works. So I'll get, and let's talk, you know, we'll get to like the force healer herself and kind of what she was saying to him, but how do you feel that they brought in a, this, the force into the show and not in a Jedi way, but more of a force healer way?
00:32:07
Speaker
I kind of liked it. I don't know if we ever seen a force healer before. i mean, we might have somewhere down the road, but I mean, I like it. I was like that the force his people gravitate towards it in different ways. Right. And I like go back to thinking about like the Alphabet Squadron trilogy, the books.
00:32:28
Speaker
And there were like churches that believed in the force, right? They weren't necessarily force users or Jedi or force healers, but they believed in the idea of, you know, the force and something guiding their their preordained path or their destiny or or all that kind of stuff.
00:32:50
Speaker
So I like that ah it hasn't gone away, right? There's still whispers of the Force in in these types of areas. And then there are people... And it seems like this lady so maybe doesn't fully even believe in herself until like she comes across these sort situations like she did with Cassian.
00:33:11
Speaker
Yeah, so yeah she comes across... like she notices him right away as he's kind of walking like closer to her. And at first Cassian thought Bix set this up. And she's like, no, dude, I, I did not. I was just going to put you in line.
00:33:27
Speaker
Like all these other people are. And she came over and she started talking to Cassian and, and, I thought that conversation was really interesting. Now she's talking about like, he's a gatherer and, you know, she hasn't really felt that in somebody in a while.
00:33:43
Speaker
and most people, you know, they, they wear like their, their past on them, but he is more of a gatherer and like, he is what she calls, you know, he's a messenger.
00:33:56
Speaker
Right? And she does, like, she does, like, kind of put her hands on his and his burn, and it we do kind of find out later on that it is healed. But, like, she kind of not freaks him out, but she does, like, kind of scare him.
00:34:12
Speaker
And makes him kind of, like, a little bit jittery. And even Bix says that, because after he, like, leaves, because he tells him, you know, she tells but he tells Bix, like, alright, I'm out, you can... Keep talking to her because she, you know, she said that she sees something kind of like in him and Bix was very interested in that of like what she was saying about him. And Cassie and Zachari, you got, you guys can talk him out of here.
00:34:36
Speaker
And then she talks to becks And she basically, like, kind of tells Bix, you know, in the conversation that, like, he he needs to be here, basically. Like, he's supposed to have a place. Like, there's a place he needs to be.
00:34:52
Speaker
and Like you're saying, she's not very sure. She's kind of vague in, like, what she sees. But she knows that he's important. And, you know, she... She kind of, but like, know, Bix believes what she's saying.
00:35:08
Speaker
She believes this Force healer that, like, Cass is important. Right? And, you know, she, the Force healer asks Bix how long he, you know, how long she has known him. And she was like, I've, there's never been a time that I don't recall not knowing him. And she's like, well, maybe you are the place he needs to be. Like, basically saying, like, you're the reason,
00:35:31
Speaker
He's here. you're the like You're kind of the reason he's kind of doing this stuff or whatnot, right? so Which I think she obviously will find out later on. She takes that pretty pre to heart, right? so him What we do find out is that Cass does take the mission from Luthan with Will and they're going to Gorman. Draven tries to like Kind of put like as a little like, dude, where are you going?
00:35:59
Speaker
Like, you know, you can't just leave. And I like Cassian's kind of response. Like, listen, you know where I stand on all that? Because Draven was like, basically, you know, to leave and to be able to do what you're doing, you need to, you know, kind of shout or, you know, show your loyalty. Right.
00:36:19
Speaker
And Cassian's like, dude, you know, I'm not I'm not doing that. And the moment that I can't just leave when I want, I'm out. Right? He has... he has principles. He has morals. He has... he has a code, right? Cassian has a code that he follows.
00:36:41
Speaker
And right now, you know, with what the Rebellion is doing at the moment, he's not really, like, liking that. He's...
00:36:53
Speaker
kind of like, I'm going to do what I want up until a point and then I'm out. Like, I am not going just stay here and take orders all day from you and just be your errand boy and do all these missions. Like, I will do what I want, leave what I want.
00:37:11
Speaker
You know, and you, you, you can tell that from earlier, obviously, was even from season one, that like Cassian was never fully about, know, The rebellion itself, obviously he he was with Luthien and like doing these little you know missions and doing this and that, but he was not wanting to be fully on board. Like I'm going to stay here. i will do every mission. You tell me like, that's just not who Cassian was even in season one. Like, that's just not who he was. That's not what he was about.
00:37:50
Speaker
So, you know, Draven trying to put like his little, like, you know, his chest out and say like, no dude, you're going to have to put your loyalty. Like, this is what you're in for now. He, I just love Cassian. He's like, no dude, no, I'm leaving on a personal mission.
00:38:05
Speaker
I'm not going to tell you where I'm going. I will do what I want. And yeah, see you. Bye. And him and Will take off. And that's it. Like that's, that's the story, dude. And I, but I like how Draven, you can tell Draven.
00:38:20
Speaker
They want Cassian, like they want him to be somebody in this rebellion and Cassian just as, at this moment, he doesn't want, like, he doesn't want that.
00:38:31
Speaker
Right? And that's going to come back full circle later. But, um, Ang, anything interesting within that little kind of conversation or anything? Like, I just, again, it's interesting that he's still doing stuff with Luthen.
00:38:46
Speaker
Right? Even though clearly he hasn't talked to him in a while. Right? But he's, he understands when Luthen calls, he's, Which we'll we'll get that we'll get to that and and like later on.
00:39:00
Speaker
When Luthien calls, he's always there, man. He's always there. Yeah, I also think Cassian understands like the importance of like this mission. Not only to like keep Luthien protected, um but to and not revenge either, like how Will said, but um this is a person that is going to like keep
00:39:24
Speaker
like incessantly, like trying to get after them. It has to be quelled, right? They have to get rid of her. So, um yeahp i mean, I totally respect like what Draven's doing. And, you know, we get into in a minute, like also Val showing up and saying that Cassian needs discipline.
00:39:40
Speaker
And I mean, it's true. And, you know, Cassian probably believes that he was even trying to give that message to Will when he came around. But Luthan needs him to do this. He's going to do it for him, you know?
00:39:55
Speaker
Yep. I mean, he again, Cassian is one of those guys that will. When he's called upon, he he he does it like he is there.
00:40:06
Speaker
He is a i don't want to call him a soldier, but he's a he is a very loyal guy to the people that he wants to be loyal to or loyal to the cause that maybe he believes in or whatever the case may be. Right.
00:40:22
Speaker
But yeah, the clearly Draven and Dodonna, they see Cassian as a leader. Right? So we get into, like you just brought up, we get into that Val and Bix conversation, which I love. I love that first...
00:40:41
Speaker
Val and Bix are like friends. We'd love to see it. Number one. Number two, i love that it seems clearly from this conversation that Val is pretty much done with Luthan.
00:40:54
Speaker
Like she is fully on board with like, okay, I'm going to be a part of this rebellion. I'm going to, you know, get these new recruits in order. I'm going to this and that. Like she is totally on board with,
00:41:06
Speaker
what the what finally, kind of like what she was saying to Bix, like finally they have the pieces in play to really make an impact, right? They have the army now to, you know, do something about what's going on.
00:41:24
Speaker
And she wants to be a part of that, right? And just like she tells Bix, like, you know, we're not, We're not handheld to Luthan anymore. We're not doing this stupid stuff on Aldani or this and that. Like we are, we here, we can make a change, a real change in, you know, yeah with a real army.
00:41:43
Speaker
Right. And, you know, Val basically tells Bix, like, listen, well, initially Bix thought this she was talking to her. u no, she thought she was talking, she wanted to talk to Cassian.
00:41:55
Speaker
And she's like, no, I need to talk to you because you're the one that can get to him. but like I mean, this is why they sent Val to talk to Bix, because Dodani and Draven know that the only person that could really convince Cassian of doing anything like what they are looking for him to do is through her.
00:42:19
Speaker
Right? And, you know, Val basically tells Bix that, like, listen, he is a leader that they need, that all these people believe he can be a leader and who they need to be a part of this, you know, rebellion.
00:42:38
Speaker
And, you know, she wanted... to make sure that Bix will help them like get him into that and not do these stupid things that he's doing, like running off new, lu like this mission for Luthen without really telling them or doing all that, you know, there's no, like you said, there's no discipline, right? He's undisciplined right now, as far as,
00:43:01
Speaker
you know, to the rebellion, right? He's disciplined, I think, in what he wants and like who in but the people he cares about, right? he He's that, like for that he's disciplined, but in his other ways, he's not.
00:43:14
Speaker
And, you know, basically Val wants Bix to tell him that, you know, wants to be reassured by Bix that, you know, he can be trusted. And Bix tells her like, yeah, when he'll be there when you need him.
00:43:30
Speaker
he Because he always, I mean, he is. he's That's what he always does, right? So how did you feel about that whole interaction with Val and Bix? Anything else kind of pop off with you as far as conversation-wise?
00:43:43
Speaker
For a short scene, it gave you a lot of like added context to a lot of things. It let you know that Val, she said that she was getting reckless with what she was doing. So probably going through the the grief of Sinta and... and lashing out and just, you know, taking being Luthan's arm and and all of that stuff. So there was a moment where she, you know, had to come back to reality and and do what's necessary and what's important.
00:44:14
Speaker
And then I also like when she said that she can see in Bix that the rebellion is important to her. Right. And obviously that's foreshadowing to what's about to come up at the, in a couple episodes.
00:44:27
Speaker
Right. But it's not just like, ah like, it's not that Bix is here to like just support Cassian. She's here because she truly believes in the rebellion and in the fight and and what they need to do to ah to to defeat the Empire.
00:44:48
Speaker
Yeah, and the way they know that Bix is the person to get to him, again, this will tie into what happens later on ah when we get to it, but it just it just shows how important, obviously, she is to him and how other people see that, right, and perceive that and know that, okay, if we really need to get to him, we have to talk to her, right?
00:45:15
Speaker
So that we can get our message across to him. Right. So i again, it's very, it's just fascinating. But I also think in that moment, she realizes she's somewhat of a distraction for Cassian because he'll do anything. Right. yeah Again, that will come the full circle thing. Right. I think with that, with the force healer stuff, right. On top of this conversation with Val, the decision she makes in the end, which we'll get to.
00:45:42
Speaker
it makes total sense. Right. And yeah kind of like what the force healer said, like you are the, you are his place right now, but she knows that I can't be his place. He needs the rebellion to be the place he needs to be.
00:45:58
Speaker
Not me. So again, we'll talk, we'll get into that, but you're a hundred percent right on that. So, so towards obviously at the end of the, towards the end of this episode of episode seven, we get to the point where,
00:46:11
Speaker
Will and Cassian are on Gorman. They're getting set up for this assassination attempt on Deidre, which is wild and crazy.
00:46:23
Speaker
We get to the hotel, and the hotel clerk is the same guy that he ran into, you know, year ago year or two ago, right? And right recognizes him right away.
00:46:34
Speaker
Love it. And he's just that he was cool with it. I don't know if he knew... Like if he was already privy or he just knew who he was, what he was doing. And he knew that like, I need to get him where he needs to go. Right. I think, but I love all that. Overlooking the Plaza. Right. Right. Like he knew.
00:46:56
Speaker
so again, I don't know if he was already like, if he's part of the rebellion or part of like part of the Gorman, ah Gorman, you know, resistant front or whatever. But I think he's one of loosens people.
00:47:09
Speaker
It could be too, right? think he's a Luthan honestly. Could be. No, you could be right because, it I mean, it kind of went... i mean, because that would make sense too because previously, you know, when Cassian was there, he probably told Luthan about him and then, yeah, I mean, that would make sense for sure.
00:47:24
Speaker
But, you know, i I love... I just love how that kind of comes full circle with the clerk and, like, he's helping him because, you know, he kind of, you know, Cassian kind of helped him or whatever, like, their conversation from earlier.
00:47:39
Speaker
Like those years ago. um But Will, so Will is staying with his girl. Andor's in the hotel. Yeah. Getting ready to, you know, work on the assassination attempt.
00:47:53
Speaker
I love that we saw the stormtroopers like he was when he was kind of spoke, yeah kind of getting everything ready. He hears like the the chatter and he puts his little like magnet and I'm not magnet glass, but this little mirror thing out to see the stormtroopers like above on the roof.
00:48:11
Speaker
And I like the kind like the the talking like you hear them talking. It's like the same. voices we hear in, like, the original trilogy. Like, that kind. It's cool. I love that. I love that.
00:48:22
Speaker
And, i again, I love this phrase that they say to each other, Will and Cassian, and probably all the Farrix people, they say Farrix, and then they say Stone and Sky. Like, I just... Yeah, I love that. love it. Because it has so much meaning, right? ah it's just It's just awesome. So, ah anything with this ending, Ange? I mean, it's just... It's this it's setting up what's going to happen in this next episode. But anything you want to add to the...
00:48:47
Speaker
No, it was a great episode. was well-paced, gave us good information, set everything up perfectly. i mean, looking back at it, it just kept the story flowing and gave us the information that we needed for later. It was awesome.
00:49:00
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it really did. It set everything up for what we're about to get into for episode eight. Who are you? Which is, ah again, what great deal. I love it Because of what it means.
00:49:11
Speaker
But, oh boy, are we... This is... The the fuse is is there and we're about to pop off. So, we start... Obviously, this whole episode takes takes place on Gorman.
00:49:25
Speaker
Right. And which is amazing. I love that we're in one spot for this entire like we don't there's maybe one or two things like we might have went to. Did we even go off this way? I even think we did.
00:49:39
Speaker
um But I don't think we did. Did No. and No. Yeah. I mean, at the end. Yeah, at the end.
00:49:50
Speaker
At the end, you're right. Yeah. At the end. ah but no So we basically we we start off with Cassian waking up and the Empire is already beginning to set everything up.
00:50:02
Speaker
They're moving out. barricades are going up. Deidre and Paragast are talking and he's telling her the mining equipment's already on site. Like, yeah, they're ready. They are already in motion.
00:50:17
Speaker
Like there is no like turning back. She can't stop it. Like this is, it's happening. Right. yeah He's telling her like, we need to make sure we push.
00:50:29
Speaker
Like the Gorman aggression, right? We can't just make it seem like we're setting up shop and they can't do anything about it. We need them to resist. Right. Right, right. and Because that's how they have to spin it.
00:50:42
Speaker
And I just like the little quick shots of those news reporters giving just general – just this information, the spin-off, this general strike that's going on with the Gorman processors, rumors about violent insurrections, all this stuff.
00:51:02
Speaker
yeah like it's just It's crazy how –
00:51:06
Speaker
the Empire, and you don't really think about it when you when you're watching, obviously, like, the original trilogy or even any of the prequels or the sequel trilogy, because you're not you're not in this setting, right? You're in with the Jedi stuff, and, like, you get a little bit of the Empire Rebellion, but, like,
00:51:25
Speaker
It makes total sense of how the Empire doing the propaganda, the news stuff. like It makes sense of how they would get other yeah other their planets and within the galaxy...
00:51:39
Speaker
to like believe like to really be on their side, to to believe that Emperor Palpatine, yeah, he is doing the right thing, this and that, right? like Yeah, these people are are ah you know trying to you know take over or are being pests or whatever.
00:51:57
Speaker
And I'm not going to like take sides on this current event, but it is so reminiscent to Israel and Gaza, yeah like hands down. To where you have to like second guess everything that you heard in real life just based off of what you're seeing portrayed in this fictional show.
00:52:15
Speaker
Right. Because, i mean, just like in this fictional show or just like in real life, depending on the news source you watch, you will get different stories. sides of it, right?
00:52:27
Speaker
But within the Empire, they control everything. That's the crazy part. The Empire controls all the news outlets, all this, all that. So they are spinning, spinning, spinning, spinning this into like, hey, we're just here for this and that.
00:52:41
Speaker
They are the ones that are like being... violent they're the ones that are pushing this insurgence insurrection like they're the ones doing it the empire is just sitting here like hands up waving hands like we're not doing anything right So, and again, this is where you see the, that older Gorman resistance ah guy, the one that Cassian saw start, you know, he's trying to tell his daughter and tries to tell all these other people, like, guys, we can't be doing this. Like once the barricades, you know, once they heard the barricades are going up, all the Gorman people started marching. They want to start marching to the plaza. Right.
00:53:23
Speaker
And the, that guy is like, listen, listen, can't be doing this this is what they want like we like he was trying to warn them before like you're walking into this not knowing what's going to happen they know what's they they know what's going to happen they want you to do this this is what they want from us yeah they want this right and the daughter and like all like they're just like it doesn't matter like this is not like we don't care our voices like she said to him our voices need to be heard right and The galaxy is watching.
00:53:54
Speaker
Yep. Oh, we'll get, we'll get all that stuff. But now all of a sudden Cyril starts kind of hearing things. Right. And, um, here's a, he hears about these reports on the mining stuff.
00:54:08
Speaker
He runs into that older guy, right? And the older guy's like, how dare you like walk with us? And Cyril take, like takes him the side. It's like, you know, I, I don't know. Right.
00:54:19
Speaker
Like, that's a rumor. That's not true. He's like, come on, dude. Like, listen to yourself. Do you really believe this is not what's happening? Like, what, you know, his, you know, he asked Serial, like, what, you know, what do they want in the ground? Why are they here? Right?
00:54:36
Speaker
So, um... So, ca obviously, say Cassian, at this point, has talked to Will, and he was like, dude, what's going on? are they doing the barricade stuff? What are we doing? Like, what is happening here, right?
00:54:50
Speaker
So, he, you know, he leaves the hotel. The clerk tells him that he didn't check him right? didn't log in Cass. And, you know, Cassian tells him, you know, I wish you luck, right?
00:55:03
Speaker
In the future. Or i I can't remember the exact line. But the cleric's response of rebellions are built on hope. How did you feel about that line. Coming at this. Like coming from him. Or coming just coming in the show. Does that diminish anything for you. From Rogue One and Jyn. Or does that even really.
00:55:24
Speaker
hit harder. but she says that. And it hits Cassian harder. When she says that in the movie, how did you feel about that? That line being used? I think it kind of like cements the ideal that he's like a messenger and he collects things and he's gathering messages to be able to like incite into other people.
00:55:45
Speaker
So when he hears this from this clerk and then later hears Jin say it, he knows he's on the correct path and he is like doing his part of like passing along the message.
00:55:59
Speaker
So. ah that's exactly what I got out of that moment. Yeah, I love it. I think it just hits, like you're saying, it reinforces that like what he hears from Jin, he knows it's genuine, right? Like she believes it.
00:56:16
Speaker
Right. And I think it just, when he hears that too, I would think in Rogue One, these memories of this day probably flood him and probably he thinks like, okay, I can't, I can't let that happen again.
00:56:34
Speaker
Right. We can't just sit here. I can't, we can't just stay here on Yavin and not do nothing. Right. We have to do something. And, you know, again, in the movie, he helps Jin and, you know, they go to, um you know, that planet or whatever and do all that stuff. But,
00:56:51
Speaker
I love that this is what like he the line has said because I think it does hold more weight when, like you're saying, when Jin hears, like when he hears it from Jin. i think, like you're saying, he understands that it's the path he's supposed to be on. This is where he's supposed to be. This is the moment he's supposed to be in.
00:57:10
Speaker
Like he is where he's supposed to be, right? So i just, yeah, I love it. I love that they they threw that in there. So now we get to, you know, again, the people are marching. They are saying we are the gore. The galaxy is watching, which, i again, I love all this stuff. Right.
00:57:29
Speaker
Cyril is, again, walking towards the building because previously what happened is that somebody tells him that he needs a report to the to the ISB building or whatever building it is yeah because communication is down or whatever. And they have to be there.
00:57:46
Speaker
And that's again, then he runs into that guy and now he's still walking towards the building and that TIE fighter flies by. That was insane. Yeah. I love that so much.
00:57:57
Speaker
Just the intimidation tactic, right? The roar of it. Yeah. Right. Like how, like I would be scared. If I've been like, well, I think I'm going to go. Like, right.
00:58:09
Speaker
I mean, it's crazy. So you hear TIE Fighter goes by. um Again, the news. Serial's about to go in the building. The news is lying about how everything's occurred and that the Imperials have tried everything with these groups to like reconcile stuff. It's an insurrection. It's an insurrection and you know on the plaza. And then you start getting the stormtroopers you know blocking stairways out of the plaza.
00:58:35
Speaker
like it's again, the the The fuse is almost going off. Like everything is ready to just implode. Right.
00:58:47
Speaker
So then we get um the serial serial goes into the building. He wants to see Deidre. Obviously they're like, no, you got to chill out for a second. We got to put you in this room. And he puts he's in his room with these other probably like Imperial workers or whatever. And who else is in this little room or six of those KX units, bro? I loved that moment. yeah the one that's like staring at him i love that i was like that has got to be k2 hope that's k2 like i don't know i don't know if gilroy confirmed or if they've confirmed that yet but i would love to think that it's k2 i do yeah i do i do believe that i i would love for that like he had to have had a loose wire already right like right that would make sense right that'd be it'd be nuts
00:59:37
Speaker
But so finally, though, Cyril gets to talk to Deidre and Oh, boy. My guy is upset. Talk to me about it. How did you feel about this? Because this was insane to me. I was shocked that that was like kind of like his turn. I thought he was like imperial, like to the core. You know, it's like as long as we're upholding um order. Right. it But he got close with these people and he knew that they weren't necessarily doing anything wrong.
01:00:07
Speaker
Right. and then he started to like question his whole existence on being there like and he he says that what have we been doing here and you know i love when he says like if you say it's a rumor like i'm gonna kill you like he and then like he like just chokes her out it was wild and i was like dang he's like really pissed and um You know, Deidre just like struggling to to be able to say like what's happening. And even she doesn't fully know, like her description of it is so vague, right? Like there's a stone, it's in the dirt, it's part of the energy program.
01:00:42
Speaker
It's directly from the the Empire Emperor. And she says they've been planning it ah for years. And then she even tries to like stab at him. Like you didn't really mind your promotions like when it was happening. Like all of a sudden you're growing a conscience. Like how did that even happen?
01:00:57
Speaker
Which is true. Like how did that even happen? But from the beginning, it was all about him, like, getting, like, prestige and being able to, like, move up, like, the ladder and be recognized as, like, someone that was important. Maybe from just the, so the satisfaction of his mother.
01:01:18
Speaker
Like, all those types of things. But he, he was mad. Do you believe he, like, like Is against the Empire at this point? Or do you believe he's just against what de like what they're doing specifically on this planet?
01:01:36
Speaker
ah Do you still think he has this like Imperial, like, we're still doing the right thing? Or do you think he, at this point, do you feel he is completely 180'd, like, this is all BS now?
01:01:47
Speaker
i don't I think every all the lines like blurred for him. I don't think he even like understands that the Empire even exists anymore. All of a sudden he just sees that bad people are doing something to good people and he was involved in and that's just not what he ever expected. Right. He was in like complete and total shock.
01:02:07
Speaker
That's a good point. I don't know if I... Because you like even like, we're going to go back. We're going to go to Coruscant. We're going to be together. We're going to do everything we ever wanted. He doesn't care. like he does not care.
01:02:19
Speaker
and i want i For me, like i agree with what you're saying for sure. like I feel like he doesn't drive with what's going on, obviously.
01:02:31
Speaker
But I feel that... like do you Okay, here's here's my question. Do you think that if he would have known... And if she didn't lie to him, do you feel do you think he would be on board with what's going on?
01:02:46
Speaker
I don't think he would, because if you think of him being like a pretty more detective or whatever officer that he was, the whole reason that he wanted to investigate that murder is because it was murder. Someone did something wrong and needed to be held accountable to it. So if they said, hey, we're going to move into this place and agitate them and then we're going to make them look responsible and we're going to kill them all.
01:03:10
Speaker
i don't I don't think he would have been a part of that at all. Yeah, i I would tend to agree. i don't i don't think he would have been down with the idea. I think he would have been okay with the idea of trying to get the resources, but maybe not in that way. Does that make sense? Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah.
01:03:34
Speaker
Yeah. But for the greater good of the empire or whatever. Right. But no, I agree. i don't know if he would have been down with what. Again, this was Deidre's idea. like yeah.
01:03:48
Speaker
And I don't know if he really understood that this was her idea. you know, at this point. I think the other thing was. Like the same for like Deidre would like, it was the loss of control. he thought he was in control of the situation. He was getting information. He was playing a part.
01:04:05
Speaker
He was doing what was necessary. And then like when information started coming in from other avenues that he was, did not have control over, that's when he started to lose it. So the minute he lost that illusion of control is when he snapped
01:04:22
Speaker
Yeah. No, i would I would agree with that. I would totally agree with that. And then by this point, too, I don't know if... I might have forgot to mention... and think this... I don't know if it happened the last episode, but either the last episode or earlier in this episode, we get a shot of these new... Basically new recruits that are coming in.
01:04:42
Speaker
Yeah, it's this one. Okay. Basically coming in to assist. What's the situation? But they are... green green they are no like literally just got like badges like don't even know how to march no they know nothing right so clearly clearly you saw that helmet with those goggles were you like where have i seen that where have i seen that where have i seen that because i was the solo oh well hoth too yeah yeah me i recognize them from solo so i was like oh yeah
01:05:17
Speaker
I remember, i for some reason, that helmet reminds me of ah Empire Strikes Back with the dude in the AT-AT. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I think of, too.
01:05:29
Speaker
But, again, here's a stupid question. I don't I was thinking about this today. Like, the goggles are on top. How would they really, like... Would they really fit over your... I feel like they wouldn't really be secure. Because there's so much helmet.
01:05:44
Speaker
How would it really stick to your... I don't know. Whatever. like what Is it just a fashion statement? i feel Is this just aesthetic? Yeah. I think it's aesthetics. I think it's aesthetics for sure. For sure. But so now what happens is they the guy that's kind of like in charge, quote unquote, like next to Deidre, but really is the guy...
01:06:06
Speaker
tells the gentleman that is leading this green, you know, green group of Imperial soldiers, like, okay, you're going out there. I'm going need you to protect the, you know, the little walkway space that we have into the building.
01:06:25
Speaker
i need you to protect that. And the guy's like, ah what? Like, but we know why would like he very much questioned it. And then the guy's like, okay, well, if you don't do what I am telling you, you can basically kiss you your career goodbye.
01:06:43
Speaker
You're going to all end up in the brig. So he tells his people to get ready and they're out there. Young green. have no idea what's going on. Right. Again, The reason they do that is because now the plan is in motion.
01:06:56
Speaker
The stormtroopers are on the stairwell so they can't leave. Everybody that is in that plaza right now is not leaving alive. Like that's clearly what's happening.
01:07:06
Speaker
Yeah. Right. So to start. So the plan is now the guy asked Deidre. He's like, do can we proceed?
01:07:17
Speaker
Can we start what we need to start? And she gives him, you know, you may proceed and you see a sniper, an Imperial sniper who you would at first think, because he's aiming into the crowd, you think he's going to take out a Gorman protester.
01:07:32
Speaker
Right. But what does he do? He takes out one of these guys. Yeah. His own people. To start the insurrection. Yeah. ah So like. It's crazy.
01:07:43
Speaker
And then the the the office like the lead officer guys just start saying fire at will. Screams open fire. Open fire. Like in literally I've written down all hell breaks loose. That's what I wrote down. Like it's just chaos from here.
01:08:00
Speaker
Yeah, absolute chaos. I mean, and then just like so disgusting to see people like retreating and still getting shot in the back. Right. Like it was just. terrible to like it would it didn't matter.
01:08:13
Speaker
There was it wasn't about like survival or like protection. It was just about like there were no thoughts and it was just like you're not on my side. So I'm going to shoot you matter how easy the target is.
01:08:26
Speaker
What the crazy part is, is that the one of the guys that we have followed within this um Gorman front but one of the older guys, instead of doing the chant of, we are Gorman, the galaxy is watching, he starts singing like their song, this Gorman song, right? To maybe show that they are peaceful, like they're not here to do anything. they all And the entire crowd starts singing, right? So at this point, there's no chanting, there's no like fury, right? Right before this, like it's it is a very peaceful protest, right?
01:09:04
Speaker
Until the sniper does what he does. And then just like I said, all hell breaks loose like you're saying. Nobody is like without. who is Is on like they're basically on site. Stormtroopers are shooting.
01:09:16
Speaker
The sniper is still taking people out from where he is. Like it's insane what's going down. Right. It is truly as Mama says later on. we'll We'll get to that speech, but it's a genocide.
01:09:30
Speaker
It's literally a genocide. Right.
01:09:34
Speaker
So Cyril, at this point, too, has left the building and is in the crowd. Yeah. Which is, again, insane. i love the shots of him just kind of like looking around and like seeing what is occurring.
01:09:49
Speaker
Like, what is happening here? Like, this is not what he thought they were doing. This is not what he was told they were doing. Like, it's all madness, right? And then he sees Cassian. Oh my God. When he saw Cassian.
01:10:02
Speaker
Oh, I loved it. Right. Yeah. And who is still at this point, Cassian is still trying to do his mission, which I love. He's still trying to take out Deidre. Still trying.
01:10:14
Speaker
And then all of a sudden Cyril sees him and he just. Emotions obviously take over. He just sees this guy as like, this is a guy that. is why I am where I am. This is the guy that has caused me all this pain, all this problems.
01:10:33
Speaker
And he starts fighting them. And this is actually, i'll be honest, Ange, this is one of, this is one of the best like fight scenes. i That was a brutal fight. I mean, they it had like the while some hard hitting impacts. Like there was so much like anger and aggression behind like Cyril to where like Cassian was like,
01:10:53
Speaker
bro, I don't even know like what to do because this person is not just like fighting to fight. He's like really trying to kill me. So, yeah, it was wild. Yeah, again, it's one of the best. I feel like it's one of the best fight choreographed scenes or whatever I've seen in a while. Like like you're saying, the punches felt real.
01:11:10
Speaker
It felt intent, right? I mean, there's explosions going everywhere. The hotel clerk at some point, well I think before the fight, like, blows up the hotel entrance. Like, it it's insane.
01:11:24
Speaker
And then, at one point, you know, they're fighting, and one of the, you know, grenades kind of goes off near them. And Cassian is kind of crawling around, trying to stay undercover.
01:11:37
Speaker
He loses his gun. Cyril gets it, and Cyril is literally right... In front, like, standing above Cassian. Cassian's on the ground. And Cassian's only thing he says to him is, who are you? And you know how much that's gotta hurt, Cyril?
01:11:56
Speaker
But i I knew that was coming. I was like, Cassian, like, doesn't even know who this guy is.
01:12:04
Speaker
Like, it's insane. Like, has been hunting this guy for how many years? Like, four at this point, I think? And he has caused Cyril so much like anguish.
01:12:20
Speaker
And for him to just tell him, like, who are you? Like, what? What are you? Like, why are you doing this? You are making no sense right now. Like, why are you attacking me? And then he like he starts lowering the gun.
01:12:37
Speaker
Right. And at that point, OK, before again the. At that point, did you think that he was maybe going to turn and become part of the rebellion? Would you have wanted that?
01:12:48
Speaker
I have always thought like that was going to be s Cyril's arc, right? That he was going to grow a conscience and decide that, hey, I need to fight for the the right side.
01:13:03
Speaker
Join the rebellion. Okay. Yeah. I would have been fine with it. Yeah, absolutely. Well, that's not what happens. LAUGHTER He unfortunately dies.
01:13:14
Speaker
yeah He gets killed by the most appropriate person. The person knew exactly what he was doing um even before Cyril knew what he was doing. Yep. Yep. It's the older gentleman ah that he that he the old gentleman that thought he was bringing Cyril into their.
01:13:34
Speaker
yeah Like organization. His name is Brylands. Yeah. Brylands. But he thought he was bringing in Cyril to help them, you know, take out, you know, take out the Empire.
01:13:48
Speaker
and that wasn't the case. And honestly, to Cyril's defense, he didn't really know what was happening. Like, he really thought that they were just trying to prove outside interference was causing this insurrection, right?
01:14:08
Speaker
So it was appropriate that he would, that that was the guy that would take Cyril out. How did, did, were you, were you shocked that that happened? Like when it happened or do you're like, well, that makes sense. Like, yeah. And I mean, I was just like, okay, that's what we're doing.
01:14:24
Speaker
I mean, it's chaos. What else is going to happen? So, but I just, I mean, just thinking about his whole arc, like, wanting to find a Cassian to find him, to fight him, and then for that guy to be like, who are you?
01:14:44
Speaker
That has to be, like, thinking about, like, the most, like, disappointing thing for him to go through, right? Like, not only he learn that his girlfriend is, like, a murderer, straight-up liar, and all this stuff, he finds out the guy that he's been tracking doesn't even know he exists, doesn't even know that he was searching for him.
01:15:09
Speaker
And the big, like, he has to feel his life was so insignificant at that point. And for him to die that way, that's insane. Like, that's a freaking character arc.
01:15:21
Speaker
i don't know I don't know if you feel the same way, but whoo. Yeah. That's nuts. I thought it was, I mean, absolutely appropriate. Yeah, no, it did it did. It did fit. It did fit his character
Chaos and Escape: Cassian's Journey
01:15:32
Speaker
for sure. so Then we get to Will and Cassian are trying to get off the planet, right? They're running away with within the crowd. And then all of a sudden, a K2 unit starts... At this point, they release the K2 units ah before you know before this.
01:15:50
Speaker
But now that Cassian and Will are trying to leave, K2 unit is like, bye, where they are. He's throwing people like... There's some really violent stuff with the K2 units, man. it really is. I was surprised how violent they were.
01:16:02
Speaker
They're throwing people around. think that one literally broke that girl's back when he grabbed Legitimately threw her across. It's crazy.
01:16:14
Speaker
So there's a K2 unit chasing you know chaing like chasing all and Will and all these other people that are trying to run away. and then the brother of the... the brother of the of the the designer guy the son the one that got sent to killed comes through clutch and runs over or runs into the k2 unit with like this huge transport thing and cuts it in half right did you at that moment think that was k2 for sure or were you not yeah i was like okay this is how he gets him
01:16:52
Speaker
So how did you, again, let me real we're going to dive into that more in a second. But obviously there was a comic that had the Andor K2 thing very different, apparently.
01:17:06
Speaker
Yeah. Do you care that they, basically that comic does... Like is non-existent. Like it doesn't matter now. Well, I didn't read that comic. So no, I don't care.
01:17:18
Speaker
i only care when I actually took the time to read it and then they change it. But I had no idea. I'll take this version. No, I've again, I hate to not to say what the artist and like the writer of that comic didn't do well or like that their story shouldn't have been told. That story they presented wasn't good enough or anything, but it's just one of those unfortunate things where because of the medium it was depicted in, it gets overlooked and it gets changed.
01:17:54
Speaker
Yeah, unfortunately. it really It really is. Because, again, I you do i feel bad for like the artist and the writer like that did that comic, right? I mean, this is this is when K2 and Cassie and me, right? It was probably a big deal at that book at that time.
01:18:12
Speaker
But then Tony Gilroy comes in here is like, nah. Nah, it actually happens during a massacre. Well, bro, I'm going to do it my way. It's going to be during a genocide. So thanks for no thanks. Like, that's Tony Gilroy. Thanks for playing. Like, that's who Tony Gilroy is, it seems like.
01:18:31
Speaker
Which is, hey, it is what it is, right? I mean, clearly...
01:18:36
Speaker
Clearly, was given the okay, right? I mean, unfortunately, right? That he was given the okay to do it this way because... the artists and the writer of the comic were clearly given the okay to write that story at the time.
01:18:51
Speaker
But it's just, again, I just, I feel bad, like, again, I feel bad for that in those terms of, like, an artist and a writer, like, in their work and all that they did for that comic, right? It's kind of, like you're saying, it's overlooked now. It doesn't really have as much meaning as it did, so...
01:19:13
Speaker
I just feel bad, but I do like how they presented this story and like what it, what the significance of K2 now is really and like the broader sense. Again, we'll talk about that more towards the end, but um we end. So we'll stay as,
01:19:34
Speaker
Because he wants to find his girl, is it Drina, I believe? Drina, yeah. So he wants to stay. And did you, at this point, did you think where you were going to see Will again?
01:19:46
Speaker
Or did you think he was not going Yeah, I didn't think I was going to see Will again. Yeah. I mean, Will's not in Rogue One, so I didn't think I was going to see Will again. That's like my indicator. I don't know how how good it is, but...
01:20:00
Speaker
Well, we'll talk about that later on. No, I agree. i was I was skeptical of seeing him again. um so But the ending of the show of this episode was Drina going over the radio to open channels and saying, like, if anybody hears this,
01:20:22
Speaker
This is what's actually happening on Gorman.
Drina's Radio Message and Its Impact
01:20:24
Speaker
They are killing thousands of us. it You know, basically like saying like this is complete genocide, like trying to get that message out. And Cassian flying away. You see him like with a tear in his eye. You're just like, wow Like that's how you end that episode.
01:20:39
Speaker
It was insane. So anything you want to talk about? and Anything you want to add? You know, that was kind of towards the end of the K2 stuff or anything? or What did you think about, ah like, Deidre losing it,
Deidre's Breakdown and Future Speculations
01:20:50
Speaker
right? Where she's, like, pulling at her collar and just, like, she has lost it right? and Is she having like a moment of clarity? Is she regretting like being a part of this and coming up with this idea? Like, what what do you think was going through her head in that moment?
01:21:06
Speaker
I think a lot of things. I think one, yes. I think the clarity of, oh my God, what did I just do? What ah what was I just a part of?
01:21:19
Speaker
Maybe that at that point, did she know Cyril was dead? Maybe, maybe not. We don't know. Right. But maybe just a lot of things. But I she I can't remember the actress's name, so I apologize. But she did such a phenomenal, phenomenal job of like.
01:21:38
Speaker
Showing how up like just the entire array of emotions, right? Like pulling the collar down because she felt it like choking her. Right. And just. her hands shaking, just the emotions. And then you see her trying to like straighten up her, her, her outfit, right? Like trying to get back into, into the Imperial thought process or whatever. Right. Like I thought her acting in that moment was outstanding and leads me to wonder what do we see next from her? If any, do we see her again? Yeah.
01:22:14
Speaker
Like Denise Goh is her name. Denise Goh. Denise is a queen. We stand. i absolutely love all of her interviews as well, too. Oh, yeah. Just the detail that she gets. Like there's one where she's actually talking about like just witnessing the scene as it was like developing like for like the acting purposes and just like how powerful it was like just to even see that.
01:22:38
Speaker
Yeah, I absolutely think she's just a phenomenal actress and. You know, there are a lot of rumors coming around, like when that scene was shown, like part of that scene was shown in the trailer that, oh she was being force choked, like here comes Vader. And then to see that, like, that wasn't the case whatsoever. It was just her and like pure panic and, ah you know, what, you know, whatever. So.
01:23:03
Speaker
i i I can't wait to see what happens with her in the next year, because are the next three episodes, however you want to say it. Because I do believe we're going to see her again. i think there's still like one shot of her from a trailer that we haven't seen yet. So i really can't wait to to see how her arc ends.
01:23:26
Speaker
Yeah, I'm fascinated. Like, does the death of Cyril... like change her to the point of like, okay, like, okay, I'm doing this for him or I'm doing it. Or is it just now she's just like, well, okay, he's gone.
01:23:48
Speaker
I can't think about that anymore. I'm moving on with my career.
Mon Mothma's Political Moves: Rebellion Urgency
01:23:52
Speaker
I'm here still. I am who I am, but it's going to be fascinating because again, she is still part of this super, super secret project, right? Like,
01:24:03
Speaker
assuming she's still part of this whole project. And she she did complete her mission that Krennic and the Emperor, let's not forget, there was a mention by Pettigast that Krennic and the Emperor both have acknowledged, or i don't know how you want to say but they...
01:24:29
Speaker
are aware of what she has done and that she is doing like her part and all this stuff. Like, so like, yeah, she's on those guys radar. So like, it's, I'm with you. I'm interested to see what happens to her Right. Is she really deep into the death star or does she maybe go back to the access stuff?
01:24:53
Speaker
I think she's going to go back to access. I think like she makes sense. Right. I think, um, Her undoing and me or Luthan's undoing is going to be related to each other. That's what I think. Because agree.
01:25:07
Speaker
And maybe she wants to do that for Cyril too. Because she knows how important that like whole thing was to him. Maybe in like a weird way she wants to like finish what he started. So we'll see. Yeah, it's going to be fascinating.
01:25:20
Speaker
um Anything else, Ange, before we get into this episode 9? Woo-wee!
01:25:28
Speaker
No, I'm ready. um
01:25:32
Speaker
I'm ready. Yeah, let's let's talk about episode episode nine, because this is the aftermath of the powder keg going off in. Oh, wow. We are again in one location, pretty much or one in one city.
01:25:47
Speaker
We're in course not the entire time. Till the end. Till the end. No, because we go back to the oven. For majority of this episode, we are on.
01:25:58
Speaker
Yeah. course So we kick off with a Mon and Bale conversation. You know, I love you. You were there for it. I was loving me some mom but conversations like.
01:26:10
Speaker
The basically what's happening like, so it's literally the aftermath of what happened on Gorman. The Senate is like incomplete. Just like not disarray, but like it's. buzzing with what's going on.
01:26:22
Speaker
Right. The Gorman Senator is like being like carried out by storm troopers. Yeah. Arrested for nothing, see for nothing, for nothing, just being Gorman basically. Yeah. Right. And then Bale and Mon are having this conversation and Mon's like, did you hear the numbers?
01:26:40
Speaker
Like, and Bale's like, well, don't, what don't watch that Imperial crap because it's, it's lying. Right. Right? And she at that moment says, we have to do, like, it's time. Stuff needs to be said. We need to do something.
01:26:54
Speaker
Right? We can't hold back anymore. Like, this is what we need to do. So, and you, see again, all the hubbub about, like, ah her and, like, needing to say something and she wants him to, like, set it up and do all that stuff. Like, it was...
01:27:16
Speaker
It was intense, right? Like she she knows how important what her and Bale are doing and that it's time. And, you know, he basically tells her, i believe in this conversation, like Yavin is not ready. We're not ready yet.
01:27:35
Speaker
Like it does need a leader. You need to be there, but I can't like, I can't go. Like, it has to be you. You're the only one that can leave and get out of here.
01:27:46
Speaker
Because she wanted both of them to, like, do whatever and then both leave. And he's like, nope, it has to be you. But we will I will help you out getting, like, everything set up for you to be able to talk during the Senate.
01:27:59
Speaker
Right? The Senate hearing. Right? I think a little bit of that was him protecting Leia as well, too. Don't you think? That's, like, my... That would make sense. Yeah. I mean, there a lot a lot goes into that, right? A, wanting to protect maybe himself and Leia and all that stuff.
01:28:18
Speaker
B, knowing that she is the leader that they need at that moment, right? Ma Mothma is the one, not him. She is the one that needs to be on Yavin.
01:28:31
Speaker
She needs to be the one that is the face of the rebellion. the face of the rebellion He like, there's a lot that goes into it. I totally agree though. There's probably a lot of thought process of him staying back.
01:28:44
Speaker
Right. And not leaving at that moment for sure. For sure. um And he tells her at this point too, that like, Hey, heads up. People's offices are being bugged.
01:28:56
Speaker
You might want to check yours out. Right. Like just be cautious. Like there's stuff going on. Right. So then we get to a Clea and Cass conversation.
01:29:09
Speaker
Right. So he basically goes from Gorman to here. The idea is he's going to be a news reporter. Just came from Gorman.
01:29:22
Speaker
Wants to be there for the Senate stuff. Right. And he tells her that basically after this, he's done.
Commitment to the Rebellion: Partnerships and Challenges
01:29:29
Speaker
Like, I am not doing this anymore. And she kind of calls him out on it.
01:29:34
Speaker
Like saying, oh, you're done. So you just saw a complete genocide of a of a people and you're done. you're gonna You're about to save this senator from a speech that she's about to say and you're done. like kind of She kind of calls him out on it. How did you feel about that those two that conversation? i I love Clea. I think she's one of the stronger, I won't call side characters, but not a...
01:30:02
Speaker
main like she's not a mothma or bale or a cassie and her bix but i love her like she is such a good strong character what did you think of this conversation and then anything on male on bale and mon too but what do you think of those conversations that kicked us off Yeah, Clea, like, laying into Cassian. And what she has, like, she's laid into Luthan as well, too, like, trying to be, like, the voice of, like, like let's stay on target. Like, not to, like, pull out us Star Wars quote on a Star Wars show, but let's stay on target, right? Yeah.
01:30:36
Speaker
Right. and sometimes i think like with her it's it's kind of the same when like when lonnie talked to luhan like what what is like what are you doing you're like you're not in the trenches you're not pretending you're not seeing people get shot you're just here like with for cleanup like You don't know how bad I have it.
01:30:55
Speaker
It's kind of like how I feel like when Clea talks to Cassian. But again, she's the voice of like reason to to keep everybody going, even Luthen. So her purpose is like huge. So, yeah, I i love her as a character,
01:31:15
Speaker
um I can't wait to see how her arc ends as well, too. You know? And that's what's crazy about these characters that were introduced in the show, is we have no idea what lies ahead for their future. We know what happens with Bale, with Mon, with Cassian, you know, but we have no idea what happens with the Dedras and the Kleias and the Vals and all that stuff. And Luthan. So...
01:31:42
Speaker
so um I'm hoping that we we do get somewhat of an ending to her arc because she has been like a ah like essential character. And, you know, everything with with Bael and Mon, I think a little bit of like I keep going back to the book we just read. Right. The ah Mask of whatever fear. So what it's called?
01:32:03
Speaker
Oh, Reign of the Empire. Reign of the Empire. Yeah. Mask of fear. yeah what Is that what it's called? Yeah. Because coming right out of Revenge of the Sith in that novel, Mon and Bale, like, weren't like these, like, bosom buddies that were like, we're going to join the, we're going to do the rebellion and we're going to rebellion together. Like, that was not it, like, whatsoever. Bale was really, like, hellbent on figuring out, like, what happened to the Jedi. And Mon is just politically charged about it. Like, we can't give someone this much power.
01:32:36
Speaker
So it is nice to see like towards the end, we're getting to, you know, the Battle of Yavin. They're there. They've put their differences aside and and they're working towards exactly what Padme wanted in that deleted scene in Revenge of the Sith, which was to stand up against the Emperor. So I thought that was all great. I i feel like there's so much context that goes in that conversation that not everybody knows. Yeah.
01:33:02
Speaker
But when you do like have it, like it just makes that conversation ah so much more heavier. Yeah. Just the, like you're saying, the thinking of them as characters, right? i mean, he is given one of Anakin's kids at the end of Revenge of the Sith, right?
01:33:24
Speaker
He is responsible for holding a secret like that, right? For many, many years. Right. And then Mothma is such a, po like you're saying, a politically driven person that the two of them being kind of on kind of the same wavelength, but at different ends of that wavelength. Right. Like,
01:33:52
Speaker
They both want the same goal. They have the same goals, but they are worried about, like, again, like you're saying, Bale worried about the Jedi, what happened to all that, like what like that side of things.
01:34:05
Speaker
Whereas she is more worried about why we giving this one dude all this power, what ah like all that political stuff like you're saying. So them being together at the end, like you're saying, and it kind of be a full circle, at a deleted scene where, like, they are...
01:34:23
Speaker
the last two, I try, I'm trying to think of who else was in that meeting besides Padme, Bail, and Mon. It might've been couple other people, but like the people that we know and that we really follow, like,
01:34:37
Speaker
They are the two that really like put themselves out there, particularly Mon now, as we see, but like, they're the ones that really wanted to start the, the revolution, start the rebellion.
01:34:51
Speaker
Right. And they finally, like you're saying, found a common ground and started working together. And it's just, yeah, you just think about all that stuff and it's crazy.
01:35:03
Speaker
to kind of see it all come to this, like we see this moment, right? Cause we know about it. We know man speech. We'll get to it and all this stuff, but like to know the back, the, the behind the scenes stuff, right. Of them of like the Gorman thing, how this affected her, affected her effect of him, how that affected their next moves about the rebellion. And maybe it pushed it,
01:35:29
Speaker
You know, according to bail, maybe it push it a little too fast. Right. Like push it to the point where we're not ready yet. We need to hold. And she's like, no, we need to do this now. And then finding that common ground, like you're saying, they're like, ok I agree, but you're the one that has to say something. i have to stay.
01:35:47
Speaker
And then for her to be worried about him, too, like what you're just going to be here. He's like, I'm willing to take that sacrifice. right To stay here while you go where you are needed at this moment. so i just i just love all that stuff. I love those two.
01:36:04
Speaker
Anything else with the Clea and Cass stuff? because again i just you know Him saying that he's oh like he tells her, he's like, when have I ever not been there right like i'm always there yeah like in she's just like listen dude like you need to suck it up and we need to do this like you know not everybody has the luxury so i yeah i just love that i love that character um i said we do find out that her office is bugged she uh man and is it n m m skin
01:36:42
Speaker
Erskine? Erskine. Man, I love Erskine. He is like my favorite side character. Dead serious. like he is He is legit.
01:36:53
Speaker
like I like him a lot. He's a ride or die. He's a homie. He is. and Yeah. So Erskine and Mon find it. Did you think she was going to break that when he found it?
01:37:06
Speaker
ear um When she broke it, I was like, well, here we go. Here we go. Yeah, that's what I thought. I thought like they're going to be on her in a second, but they're idiots. They're like, maybe it's not working. Like, dude, she broke. She found it. She broke it.
01:37:19
Speaker
So the Imperial, right. they The Imperials do these Imperial protocols and like the guy that is like watching the stuff, you know, has this Imperial tech to see if it's on their end or not.
01:37:32
Speaker
And they got do all this reporting. So like, thank God the Imperial machine takes a little long because. Yes. Thank you for bureaucracy. That was so great. ah Thanks for the protocols because ah that would have been screwed from the get after she smashed that thing.
01:37:48
Speaker
But so, you know, Erskine tells her because she wants to practice her speech because that's what Bale is like. Bale's like, go get ready. And she wants to practice her speech. Obviously, they don't know. they They're not sure if there's any other bugs. So she goes out.
01:38:03
Speaker
He tells her to, like, go outside, practice, whatever. He says, go to the plaza. And then who shows up at the plaza? but We're in the plaza and Luthen shows up. Erskine. So what we find out that Erskine's been working with Luthen for like three months.
01:38:20
Speaker
Of course he is. He's awesome. Yeah. I mean, true. Erskine's best. But we come to find out what from Luthen is that Bale's team.
01:38:31
Speaker
So the plan is Bale told Mon is that he'll have a team ready. They'll escort her out right after she gives the speech. Bingo, bingo. We're done. She can get out of here. Well, Luthan's intel says, nope, his team is compromised.
01:38:46
Speaker
Abanos the bail. Right now. Here's the thing. Did you, do you feel. Because I was watching as a nerd. I watch people react to watching Andor. Cause just like conversations that happen, like with the people that are watching it. Sometimes it's fascinating and it's interesting.
01:39:04
Speaker
But some of some of the things that I've noticed with some. reactors is that they thought like like they thought bale was turning on mon mothma i mean i can i can like see how someone would think that honestly yeah because i mean i can see how somebody could think that if they you know didn't i mean i mean it's leah's dad of course not but i you know Like, that's where I'm at. I mean, it's trust no one, right? mean, fair in this show. But, like, my whole thing is, like, even if you're not the biggest Star Wars fan, you know who Leia Organa is.
01:39:44
Speaker
Listen, some people think Cleia is Leia. I know. So, of course, they're going to think that Bale is about to turn in Mon Mothma.
01:39:55
Speaker
Not happening. Right. Again, i just I just find it fascinating that Some people would read what's happening bailout. bail port betrayal and not that that somebody in his team is betraying him.
01:40:11
Speaker
But what I love is that it's one of Young's agents and Young is Lonnie who is Luthan's and he sent that girl so that they could get her like it was like a double cross. It was like a triple cross like yeah he Young sent them so that they would be distracted and then go after that and then Luthan could send in the right person.
01:40:36
Speaker
and was slate It's chess, not checkers. Yeah, no, and I forgot that that Lonnie's last name was Young, so yeah, that makes it even better. that he was one that set her up.
01:40:49
Speaker
He set that chick up so hard. so but So he tells her, as so Luthen tells Mothma that Erskine's been working with him for two years, she's a little upset about it, and then he tells her that he can't she can't trust any of like Bale's team and that he has somebody who we know is Cassian.
01:41:13
Speaker
And the code word basically is that I have friends everywhere. Like, His guy will say the phrase, I have friends everywhere. And that she needs, basically, she needs to trust Luthien.
01:41:26
Speaker
And she's like, I am more terrified of you than anybody right now. Right, like, maybe you're trying to kill me because I know who you are Which is a decent... Absolutely fair.
01:41:37
Speaker
So, I mean, right. So, it's ah it's a who is she going to trust kind of situation at this moment, right? So, she goes back to the office. She...
01:41:49
Speaker
confronts Erskine again ride or die homie and she was like i is he doesn't give up listen you betrayed me You're fired. Like, and just love how he's like, it's, it's been an hour. Like, but he never gave up on her though. I know. All right. You fired me. Cool. I'm still to help you. So like, you're going to see me again.
01:42:09
Speaker
is so good. Yeah. But her skin is like, he's too knee deep in it. I love it. love He's, he's a writer. I hope. But she basically is like, all right, like you're out. I can't, I can't trust you anymore. Right.
01:42:21
Speaker
So then finally Luthing, Clea and Cass meet. And they're trying to basically find out what happened with the Luthan and Mon meeting. And he's like, well, I turn... Like, he tells them that he told Mon about Erskine, which he probably shouldn't have.
01:42:37
Speaker
He feels like... Clea's like, okay, cool, right? But is she doing the speech? What heard what do you know? Again, like you said, Clea is a, let's get to the point. This is what we need to worry about. I don't care about anything else.
01:42:49
Speaker
Stay on target. ye Yep. Yep. So... Basically, they yeah she was what's great is that Clea calls Erskine. And he's like, well, I don't know. I got fired. Um...
01:43:03
Speaker
So, yeah. I'll meet you there. Yeah. yeah like I'm going to be there regardless. So, but yeah, I don't know. Like, I don't know. So they're kind of going in blind, really, of A, not knowing if Mon is even going to do the speech.
01:43:18
Speaker
And two, if she even is going to believe Luthen's team is more reliable than Bale's team. Which really makes a hard decision for her because, like, she trusts Bale, obviously.
01:43:31
Speaker
Like, we know that. So we get to the point where it's Bale and Mon meet again before she's about to do her speech. And, you know, he tells her that, you know, the team's going be at gate nine. This is going happen.
01:43:47
Speaker
And she even asked Bale, she's like, do you trust them? And he's like, well, yeah, yeah. I mean, they're I trust them. And I liked her question of like, do you know them? And he was like, no, I don't know them. though Yeah, I can't.
01:44:00
Speaker
I can't know them. Yeah. So I wonder if that helped her a little bit. Like, knowing that he didn't know them personally, i think helped her maybe realize, like, okay, maybe, maybe he's not aware.
01:44:18
Speaker
Right? Like, I think she knows that Bale wouldn't turn her in, but... for him to say that he doesn't know them personally he can't vouch for them personally but he just knows that this is you though the team he has and everything i mean it it kind of makes sense right so I love his last words to her though is tear the shit out of this place ah like a mic drop from my man Bale I love it take no prisoners yeah
01:44:49
Speaker
What a way out. Then this is a speech ban. I just love Bale's. Bale's a ride or die. I love it. So obviously we do find out Bale's team is compromised throughout this process. I mean, we, this episode is intense.
01:45:04
Speaker
Literally once Erskine, like what's Erskine? There's a scene where Erskine goes back into the Senate. Yeah. and like then you see all the And then you are introduced these three different characters.
01:45:19
Speaker
From that point forward, you are butt-clenched in tense situations. From that point. It is... What happening?
01:45:30
Speaker
i'm i don't... know Anxiety is flowing. From that point forward, like, legitimately, it's insane. Like, it's in insane. So we know this team's compromised now because...
01:45:44
Speaker
The girl that young hire that he's like double, triple crossing. Yeah. He'll one of the other dudes. Right. And then Cassian gets in and he's kind of waiting around him and Erskine meet up and they like say the phrase and they know they're cool.
01:46:00
Speaker
So then he shows her where to like where man's like room is with the pot and everything. Right. Yeah. So then um I love the setup of, of,
01:46:12
Speaker
the speech to Mon. So basically senior Senator gave her time to bail who then gave time to Mon Mothma based on like bureaucracy protocol and like what they can do.
01:46:26
Speaker
So then he was able to give her time where they, she could not be interrupted at all.
Mon's Stirring Speech and Its Consequences
01:46:31
Speaker
Like because of this ah protocol, whatever, I can't remember the name of the number, but so she gives this amazing speech and,
01:46:40
Speaker
Like, how did you feel about the speech? Like, was it what you expected? Was it like, did it hit hard? Because, oh, wow, I think it just how Genevieve O'Reilly gave the speech, like everything. It was amazing.
01:46:57
Speaker
Yeah, her delivery of it was absolutely amazing. And I absolutely love like the way she was kind of off in the doorway, not even knowing if she was going to step onto of the platform. And then she steps onto of the platform and like goes out.
01:47:15
Speaker
And then to say that you know this all about... all about what is true and what you've been led to believe. And when that is compromised, you have to like, look at who is screaming the loudest, right?
01:47:33
Speaker
That is the indicator that something is off. So relevant for right now. Absolutely relevant. Right. Looking at you, U.S. I
01:47:48
Speaker
don't want to thing.
01:47:52
Speaker
So it is it's it's compelling, like absolutely what she said. And then for her to just absolutely call it out, like what happened on Gorman?
01:48:02
Speaker
Because she waits to deliver that. Right. She's she's not necessarily saying this is about Gorman, but then she lays it in and the ISB panics. Everybody get get her off of that. Turn this off. All that stuff. Yeah.
01:48:16
Speaker
Yeah, and that is just, like, intense. And then for her to be able to complete her speech with, it is Emperor Palpatine that's doing this, right? Not just, like, being vague about it or just, like, trying to, like, imply that it's him. She flat out says it.
01:48:33
Speaker
And that is powerful in itself. And it is why she is, like, one of the most important characters in in the Star Wars saga.
01:48:45
Speaker
so It was, it led up, it met my expectations, hands down. It was great. And I just, the, I love prior to her speech, you hear other senators talking about the Gorman stuff, but they are talking about how it was against the imperial, like, yeah sympathy for the imperial side of it.
01:49:08
Speaker
And finally, my Mothma, like you're saying in her speech, was like, listen, dude, we've been being fed BS. Right. Who is screaming the loudest? Right. And I just love that her last line, you know, the monster who will come for us all is emperorelt up for Emperor Palpatine.
01:49:28
Speaker
And then feed gets cut. Mass chaos ensues. Like it's. insane. ah People are yelling.
01:49:38
Speaker
Yes, people are yelling. People are trying to figure stuff out, right? so my So Cass is right outside her door. He's ready. She walks out. Obviously, she doesn't know who he is, right? She thinks he's a reporter.
01:49:52
Speaker
Right. I mean, he's a reporter. So he's trying to tell her, like, trying to say stuff like, hey, I was there, buth blah, blah, blah. And he's like, I have, you know, he says the phrase, I have friends everywhere. She kind of looks at him.
01:50:03
Speaker
They're in the elevator. She's still not sold, right? He's still like, hey, I know Val. And she was like, well, anybody can say that. Everybody knows, yeah. He's like, the Aldani stuff.
01:50:15
Speaker
And then he brought up Luthan. I think when he brings up Luthan, he's like, listen, I know Luthan can be basically a pain in the ass, but if he's right about this, then you are in danger. And you really do need to come with me.
01:50:28
Speaker
I think that was the moment that she was like, okay, yeah. i i I am staying with him. Right. And I love that right before the elevator, like right before they get to the floor, he's like, I'm right. Like, he's like, you go. He's like, I'm right behind you.
01:50:44
Speaker
Right. And they start going through the crowd. Erskine's there. Our ride or die homie. I love my homies there. he's packing. He's packing too. He's ready. He's pushing people away.
01:50:57
Speaker
and then the girl that again, young double sexual crime is like, oh, I got to get appointment meeting. And Andor's like, who are you? And Erskine's like, who are you?
01:51:09
Speaker
And then, you know, all again, chaos ensues. Right. She she whips out a ah blaster. Right. That she got from earlier. and she was like, I'm I.S. basically like I'm I.S.B. This is an arrest.
01:51:22
Speaker
And I love Erskine's quick thinking of like she's a rebel spy. He turns to him and Cassie and just one pumps her. and just like, nope, not happening on my watch.
01:51:34
Speaker
And then the other guy that was with her he's like, Cassian goes straight to him and is like, uh, are we good? And he was like, no, yep. I, I just met her. I'm cool. I ain't doing anything.
01:51:45
Speaker
Erskine like basically tells him go, you know, he picks up the blaster that she's like, He's like, oh, I got it. Like, you guys get out of here, right? So, Mon, I love that little just quick scene of Mon. She's wearing, like, a a blue robe with, like, her white outfit.
01:52:01
Speaker
She drops the blue to maybe go a little more off the inconspicuous and not recognizable because that's what she was wearing during her speech. Right. And then he puts on her jacket and she's flipping out. Like, you could tell Mon Mothma was not, like, mentally prepared for, like, what was...
01:52:17
Speaker
like going to happen. Right. This journey of trying to get out of here. And like they're walking and she was like, you just killed that girl. Like in, you know, she says to Cassian, like, i don't know if I'm ready for this. And his words, welcome to the rebellion, like was so good.
01:52:36
Speaker
Like it was just so good. The music So good. The entire, like, this entire, it was so, it was so good.
01:52:47
Speaker
It was so good. So this entire time during her speech, though, too, we want to mention her driver is obviously, we she knows he's an ISB plant. That's not, we already knew that. She already knew And a bad one. I love it how Erskine's like, you don't want another one. You might actually get one that's smart. He's an idiot. Let's keep this idiot. He's a moron.
01:53:06
Speaker
Now, did you feel during her speech, like there's some like cuts when her speech is going, like cuts to different people. He's one of them. Do you think he was maybe persuaded by what she was saying at all?
01:53:20
Speaker
That's initially what I thought. Yes. That he was going to like actually be their ride out. Like he was going to find them. He was going to be like, I didn't know. And then like, follow me. And, but no.
01:53:32
Speaker
so So this whole time Cassian and Mon are like trying to get out of the building, right? They're going to go to like this docking, the loading dock, but the Empire is already like shutting down stuff. So thank God Mon Mothma knows her way around the building because they were able to kind of like go back doors, like stairwells, all this other stuff.
01:53:53
Speaker
And they finally make it outside. And that's when Cloris had left the car coming up to the building. And she sees him and she tells Cassian, that's my driver. And i Cassian's first thing is like, okay, is he good?
01:54:05
Speaker
He's an ISB plant. No, ISB plant. He's like, what's his name? And he was she was like, Cloris. He's like, Cloris, we found her. And he was like, who are you? And just boom, what pumps him? And again, John is freaking out.
01:54:19
Speaker
Like, what is happening? And i just love that little moment of Cassian like, like, look at me, like tells my mom, look at me, like, just keep focused on me. Give me your hand. We're getting out of here.
01:54:30
Speaker
And they do. They get the hell out of Dodge. Somehow, some way, they take her car and. set off. right That's crazy because everyone was looking for her. right To put that into perspective, everybody was looking for Ma and Masma and she gets away.
01:54:51
Speaker
How do you do that? One of the recognizable byly people, i mean, she just gave the speech, right? and yeah She was able to walk away. I love it. I like that little moment of Cassian driving her away and they take off and you know she kind of looks back And like, I feel like in that moment, she's probably like, well, this is last time I'm going see that.
Mon's Sacrifices and Departure from Coruscant
01:55:13
Speaker
as it And you and I, well, I, I don't say you and I, I have always speculated that maybe Perrin had something to do with like her, like needing to leave and all that stuff.
01:55:27
Speaker
Not even a note, bro. She was like, please, I'm out. Doesn't even tell him. Doesn't even say anything. She says, no, I'm good.
01:55:39
Speaker
I'm never talking to you ever again. How do you feel about that? but yeah i know We didn't bring it up, but when mom was talking to Luthan and she brought up Tay Koma, that kind of surprised me. like I...
01:55:52
Speaker
Because, you know, like, Luthan sent Sinta to kill Tay because of everything. That's well known. But to think, like, Mon didn't know that, know that, right? But she kind of had an idea of, like, what happened. And then to bring that up and for her to then question whether Luthan's going to keep her alive.
01:56:13
Speaker
So, yeah, I don't think Perrin is, like, a thought in Mon's thought process because... Clearly not. Yeah. Like, I do wonder if if she even wrote, like, if she did leave a note, but she was at the Senate the entire night.
01:56:33
Speaker
So, like, she didn't have time to do anything. Nah, she probably thought. I would love to know, real quick, I would love to know, like, his like view of everything now. I, I really would. Like, I would just love to know if a, he is surprised that he kind of have a suspicion. Like, cause you and I have always like, again, not say you and I, I have always thought that maybe he had a suspicion of her,
01:57:02
Speaker
like being a part of something like a rebellion. So I wonder if this would have surprised him at all or not. I don't think so, but I also think he kind of would have maybe like disowned her or just been like, like, I don't want to get in the middle of that. So I'm just going to go over here and drink my worm drinks and, you know, gamble yeah and gamble.
01:57:24
Speaker
Yeah. He probably wouldn't have cared either way. I just, fight I just, I am just curious on like how that would, would have, Like, if she would have told him what that conversation would have been like, or what he what he feels now after seeing what she did. Like, is he even proud of her? ah Like, does he even... Like you're saying, does he even really care? He doesn't care, bro. He doesn't care at all.
01:57:49
Speaker
And like her daughter, does she even care? Probably not, but that's another story. We're not fans of Lita in this house, but... i I just again, just for me personally, I would love to know that story of like, did he care? Does he not care?
01:58:06
Speaker
i'd just be fascinated to to know if he if Perrin ever really cared at all. But now we get a real quick back to Yavin scene before we go back again.
01:58:19
Speaker
And new recruits are coming in as Val kind of like. Wait, wait, wait. Before they go back to Yavin, they go back to Cass's old apartment on Coruscant. And that's where. We go, we go, we see. So I was going to get to that. So we go Melchie, right? we get Oh, yeah. Melchie with Val. Yeah.
01:58:37
Speaker
So Val, we go, again, we go real quick back to Yavin after all this. And Val's there with the new recruits. She brings this certain, like, weapon up.
01:58:49
Speaker
And, i again, I didn't know. I think was it was Alex and Molly might have said something. i can't remember where I found this information. But the blaster she had was the was one that Melchie, we find out it's Melchie's, but it's the one that he had from Narkina.
01:59:07
Speaker
so that's yeah and So that's when she was like, whose is this? And he's like, that that's probably mine. And we know Melchie's there. So that's cool. like we have the play like We know some of the players now are in or at ra or at Yavin. We know we're getting up to Rogue One, right? yeah So now we go back to the safe house.
01:59:28
Speaker
i love this little, just again, this whole this whole scene. Because who's there? Our boy, Erskine. Ready to rock and roll. Like, I'm still in this.
01:59:39
Speaker
I'm still in this. And there's just that little moment of her, like him going up to her and like kind of like, you know, ah not hugging. He didn't hug her anything, but like kind of he put her arm. He put his arms on her to know that, like, I'm here for you and all that stuff.
01:59:54
Speaker
That was cool. um What we do find out, though, is Will's alive. He's hurt. really really hurt but he's alive were you surprised that he was alive because i actually initially when cassian asked kayla where is he i thought he was talking about luthan and then i thought that too smash cut scene we go to will on the bed uh kind of banged up so we find out him and drena got out so that's cool so we know will's alive uh at this point
02:00:28
Speaker
And then we get a real quick Clea and Mon conversation. And we find out that Luthan is safe somewhere.
02:00:39
Speaker
Sounds kind of vague from Clea. Yeah. Like a little sus. Like maybe she's not really sure, but she believes he is. i don't know. And, but she did say that he knows that she made it out.
02:00:53
Speaker
So that again, I am interested to see where Luthan and her storyline go in the last three episodes. It's going to be fascinating. Then we get this real quick um this real quick conversation between Cass and Mon Mothma. Well, even before that, we find out that Cassian isn't the one that's taking Mon Mothma to Yavin, which we knew as Rebels fans, we know that the Ghost crew, the best crew,
02:01:25
Speaker
is one that takes her to Yavin, right? But Cassian finds out that he's not the one that they are. He is just the one person to get her out of the Senate. And now she's being taken to somewhere else to be actually off Coruscant, right? Yeah. Her, that his whole thing is going to be off the books.
02:01:48
Speaker
Right. Which we find out later on in Yavin, but right. His whole thing is going off the books. So um what we do find out is that Cassian and Mon have a little quick conversation. She's like, I don't know how i will ever repay you. Right. And he says, just make it worth it.
02:02:07
Speaker
as i tell That's all he says to her. Right. And that's the last time we see Mon Mothma at this moment.
Bix's Influence and Future Speculations
02:02:16
Speaker
So then we go back to Yavin. He um will and Drina come with Cassian.
02:02:22
Speaker
They land on Yavin. That's when we find out, like you said, Dreven tells Cassian that, yep, this is all off the books. Don't worry about it. ah We're cool. So then we get this Cass and Bix stuff at the end.
02:02:38
Speaker
where ah Go ahead. I didn't feel about this because this was wild. I was not expecting this. I was not expecting it to go this way.
02:02:49
Speaker
Go ahead. What's what's your thoughts? Well, when he woke up and she wasn't there, I immediately said, oh my God, she left. I knew she left. I don't know what instinctually told me that she left so that he could continue to focus on the rebellion. I guess maybe because we know the future, right? We know Bix isn't there. We know Cassian's heavily weighted into um running the rebellion from the crew that's inside Gavin, right? so Before that, though, so they have a quick that quick conversation at night.
02:03:21
Speaker
about him wanting to leave like listen you and i are the one like i only care about you yeah like i'm gonna talk to draven we'll go somewhere we're done i'm out and you know that weighs heavy on her right because you could just tell because he was like you're not even saying anything and she was like i'm just listening but you know like we talked about earlier those conversations with the force healer yeah Vale.
02:03:47
Speaker
Yeah. are Running in her head. So go ahead. So yeah, continue. Yeah. And the rebellion is important to her. Like exactly like what we said earlier, it was set up perfectly from what the force healer said to what Vale said, um, to even the episodes when she she was like, kind of like all drugged out and she's like, we have to win. Right. Like otherwise, like going through all this pain will mean nothing. Like we have to win.
02:04:14
Speaker
um, um she was gone and I like immediately knew it and it was it was heartbreaking you know because he immediately knew it as well too even though he he ran he ran as fast as he could like back to like that area and to find out where everybody just like shipped off from like he knew it he already knew it and that i think that's absolutely heartbreaking and and devastating especially because we know what happens at the end of Rogue One
02:04:45
Speaker
Because in her speech, she you know she basically tells him, like listen, i if I was brave, I would talk to you in person, but I'm not. And she basically tells him that she she knows that she is the one thing that is keeping him from...
02:05:01
Speaker
being where he like where he truly needs to be. Yeah, the leader he needs to be. The leader he needs to be. And that's why, as she says, she's choosing the rebellion. like She's making the choice for him.
02:05:13
Speaker
She's choosing the rebellion for him and she's leaving. And that when it's all said and done, she'll come find him and they'll do all the things that they want to do. And like you said, how freaking heartbreaking.
02:05:26
Speaker
Terrible. When we know the end of his story. Can we change the end of Rogue One? Tony Gilroy, can we get you on the phone real quick? Can we just change that real, like, they survived, right?
02:05:39
Speaker
Quick check, Tony. a little, just like you, Wing, comes swooping in and picks them up. Tony, can I get a confirmation on that, Tony? Can we just go ahead and do that? Yes, please. No one's ever really gone. Yeah.
02:05:51
Speaker
We can work on that, Tony. Okay. All right. But no I, it's just, it's so sad. To know that that is what happens. But I love, and i this is what I want to get from you.
02:06:05
Speaker
i love that she that she does survive. I love that for her character. How how do you feel about that? I absolutely love that she actually does make it, as we know, she was she did she didn't die in a mission or anything. She left on her own terms and she did it for a good cause. How did you feel about all that?
02:06:26
Speaker
Yeah, I absolutely love that for her. i am i You know, maybe she's pregnant, right? Maybe she ah it's kind of like a Hera, Jason Syndulla, Kanan thing, right? love that idea, actually. Maybe she has, you know, a piece of Cassian with her um as she leaves.
02:06:46
Speaker
That'd be so sad, but I would love it at the same time. it really That would be such a, like, yeah. and du I actually looked for that the first time I the second time I watched the episode. I was like, does she look like she's pregnant? Like and she has like this belt like up above. And I was like, oh I don't know.
02:07:06
Speaker
But we could get like an epilogue and maybe find out. In my headcanon, she's knocked up. I like I mean, I'm not mad at that. I would love again. She names the big kid Casa. Oh God.
02:07:17
Speaker
That would be cool if that's, if that's it, I would not be mad at that at all. you really call that, I love it. Like really want that happen now, but honestly it's, it's crazy to think that like Bix out of anybody this entire series truly is the MVP because without what she just does. Yeah.
02:07:40
Speaker
Not like nothing occurs. He leaves. He leaves with her. And he doesn't go on to scare off. He doesn't do, he doesn't help Jen do any of that.
02:07:52
Speaker
So like, it and I look that in star Wars, there's so many moments like that, right? Like a character doing a unselfish act, right. For the greater cause, like again go to rebels, go to Kanan.
02:08:07
Speaker
Right. How does that impact everything? Yeah. Right. His like his sacrifice. Right. Like that. She truly she truly, again, one of the many like characters that really saved the rebellion without knowing that. Right. Without really realizing it or understanding what she was doing at the moment.
02:08:31
Speaker
It's crazy to think about. Listen to this. I have this friend who is watching Andor with me, right? Who is watched some of season one is watched everything in season two. So far is going to watch the the last episode.
02:08:47
Speaker
Never seen Rogue One. Oh, wow. That would be a great into Rogue One moment. that Has Cassian dies. Yeah.
02:08:58
Speaker
got our no light is no idea no idea i'm happy for them but also scared for them at the same time too but you need to report on when they do watch rogue one i need reactions and yeah audits on their understanding of what's happened and what transpired in andor like that's Yeah, that's crazy to think about. like if you really yeah If you have never seen Rogue One, like you really are like, oh, yeah, okay, cool.
02:09:27
Speaker
but Yeah, Cassian, he's main character, right? like He's got plot armor. He's good. No. so no Sorry. No one does. so But i it's so like... it's Again, I love those little Star Wars moments where it's like a character does something that The ripple effect of it, right?
02:09:49
Speaker
Yeah. it's just it's it's It's monumental. And without Bix doing what she does, Cassian doesn't continue his journey on being the leader. Doesn't do anything to help the Rebellion.
02:10:05
Speaker
And it dies, right? I mean, just again, just like Kanan. Without Kanan doing whatever, TIE Interceptor project is full board. The Death Star doesn't even... come to be, but they have the way better ships, way more advanced stuff, the rebellion is totally screwed.
02:10:25
Speaker
If if Kanan doesn't completely blow up the entire refinery and stop and halt production of ah what's his face is project. Like, and it makes the Death Star. Like I, I hope we get a Thrawn mention in this somehow, some way and these last three episodes. Cause it makes sense. Like the Death Star and this plan, seems like,
02:10:55
Speaker
Seems like smells like those are the two that are basically what the emperor is going to choose. And because of what happens, default Krennic wins and the Death Star gets fully funded.
02:11:07
Speaker
Yeah. So i know I'd be interested if we get a um what's his face? Why am I blanking on his name? Our favorite blue man. Thrawn.
02:11:18
Speaker
Yeah, Thrawn. Yeah, Thrawn. I would love a Thrawn. Yeah. I need a cameo, but like a mention. um Oh, yeah. I would love it. I think i love it. But we end, so we kind of seem like we're ending on a sad note, but then we get this moment of K2 being brought to life.
02:11:38
Speaker
Mm-hmm. I, it was one of those, again, you were on this emotional, like, wow, sad, but now, like, you're like, oh, his best friend is here now.
02:11:52
Speaker
Like, you know, this is gonna be, this gonna be fun ride. So I love, like, They turn them on and Cassian, like, they all have weapons on it.
02:12:03
Speaker
And I just love he's like, you know, his first words are like, hello, if I offended you, I apologize. Perfect. that Could you really point those somewhere else? Like, it's just like, it's okay, too. And I loved it. Like, it was.
02:12:18
Speaker
It was a great way to end like this arc, because now you're like, okay, we are definitely in the Rogue One territory.
Cassian and K2SO: Beginnings of a Partnership
02:12:24
Speaker
We are right there. We're a year away from the Battle of Yavin, which we know Scarif happens obviously before that. So this is literally where you're leading up to Rogue One.
02:12:36
Speaker
Yeah, we're so close. So I'm interested to see how and what we do these last three episodes, right? Because there's some, again, there's some things that we could get. Could we get Thrawn? Like i said, could we get a Thrawn mention?
02:12:48
Speaker
Yeah. I'm hoping for that as again, as a Rebels fan, as Thrawn fan, I want that. I do wonder, will we get any again, mentions? I don't need a cameo, but like a mention of the of the ghost crew or do we see the ghost ship? I like we saw in Rogue One. Do we see it like just do we see the ship? Do we see h hal they call them gold squadron?
02:13:13
Speaker
but picking your own Right. the show. and And or they said Gold Squadron. Is that what they were named before? I think so. I think what happened was if I remember because I i do have to rewatch an episode, but I think remember that that like they get attacked and that's where they have to send Hera to go like help them.
02:13:36
Speaker
Okay. Okay. I think. Or I could be wrong on that. and maybe But maybe they were. I think they were called at one point Rogue and then Phoenix Squadron eventually. i think they become Phoenix Squadron, right? Or were they Phoenix and Gold Squadron? I can't remember.
02:13:50
Speaker
I had to rewatch Rebels, which is not a problem with me. I love Rebels. But yeah, there's. But we do know that. they They are the ones. Obviously, we know that Rebels is the ones that.
02:14:02
Speaker
that crew was one that got my mouth to Yavin. So I hope again, I don't need a cameo. I don't need to see like Ezra in the background or, Hera walking. Like I would love just the ghost ship.
02:14:14
Speaker
Like, let me see the ghost ship again. Let me just see it parked at Yavin. Let me see chopper. Just roll on by. I would love to see chopper. I love that. Just again, it's just one of those like, okay, cool. You guys are aware. Like, I don't need like a yeah Or yeah even, like again, like they did in Rogue One, like a General Syndulla over the PA, right? Or Commander Bridger, right?
02:14:40
Speaker
I would love that. like Give me that. And then on the Imperial side, again, yeah, Thrawn. I would love like a mention of that project, at least. Maybe not his name, but like the TIE Interceptor project.
02:14:52
Speaker
I would love that. like i would just i Those are the things that I hope for, but will we get it? Probably not. But what do you what are your expectations going into the last three episodes? Is there something you want to see? or just I know you mentioned earlier, your are we worried that they're not going to land it at the end? like What are your thoughts going into these last three episodes? Yeah, I am a little worried ah they're not going to land it because like the big parts have happened. So what I think was...
02:15:23
Speaker
What I need out of all of this is like those those character arcs to be finished. Right. So Dedra, Clea, Luthan, obviously. don't know if I need to see Saw again because we already know like what happens with Saw and Rebels.
02:15:38
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. um And Rogue One. ah So. I just I just want to know what's going to happen with Luthan, Dedra, Clea.
02:15:50
Speaker
I need that. That's it. Yeah. Especially Luthan. Like he is, he, this is, this is his story. i part of this Yeah. He's it' as much of his story as Cassian's to a certain degree.
02:16:04
Speaker
To a certain degree. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. that's, I think those are ones I'm fascinated to see. um Like full arcs. What happens to those characters? Do they survive?
02:16:16
Speaker
Do they not survive? I think the one that I am really more interested in is the Deidre one. Like, how does she play into the Death Star of it all?
02:16:27
Speaker
Is she really a big part of that? like Does she abandon the ISD? Right. Well, be interesting. or like youre Or like we are speculating, does she go back? Does she take over Axios again?
02:16:40
Speaker
right To find Luthen. she like Does she go rogue? She might go rogue. Like Cyril did. That would be interesting. Again, there's a lot of things that they can do still for sure to keep us on her toes.
02:16:52
Speaker
um Val. I would love to... What's Val? Is she just chilling and yavin? i would I'd be down for that. like I'd be cool if she like survived and like is just part of the rebellion. Okay.
02:17:05
Speaker
Sign me up. I'm i'm cool that. Again, we know we know Kaz's you know cast story. we know K2SO and all that. i would I would like to see maybe again.
02:17:17
Speaker
We will catch them a year from now. So like how like how that friendship is. it's going be fun to see, right? Like, yeah, him and K2. Yeah. I would hope, I was hoping to maybe really see the beginnings of it. Right.
02:17:36
Speaker
But we're not, which is fine. Yeah. We'll get it a little bit, little bit before we see them Rogue One, but I've seen that's going be cool. I think in these last three episodes. And then again, we know that how important the Death Star is.
02:17:50
Speaker
How do they find out? personally, I think what's going to happen is that they're going to, From the Gorman stuff, right? We can deduce that, okay, they kind of, they track on, the okay, why did they want it, right? So maybe they they find the intel of, okay, this is why they did that to Gorman, the resources, and they are building something. I think that's where we're going to go with it. Well, remember in the beginning of Rogue One when Cassian meets up with that guy and he says it's a planet killer, right?
02:18:23
Speaker
Yeah. Hmm. So, like, again, i think I think they're building up to, like, they're trying to figure out what they are, like, what the Empire is really doing with those resources. Again, maybe, you know, bringing the Narcanian, Narcanian 5 stuff.
02:18:39
Speaker
Now, real quick, before I forget. This just came to my mind. So, when Luthan and Cass were talking... um
02:18:49
Speaker
On Coruscant. Yeah, he said he put him in Narkina. Yeah, I was was that? I'm like, so he purposely went to Narkina? Like, that wasn't just an accident that he got? Like, I'm like, wait, that doesn't... that true?
02:19:04
Speaker
Well... I mean, big yeah I guess, right? But how does he know he was going to go to Narkina? Like, I don't... I don't know. that That threw me off. That is like a little bit too much of a mastermind for me. Like, I mean, he must have known that Cassian was on Nehemos and that like maybe that those people that were running by like that they those KX droids were trying to capture were like Luthan's people like setting up the
02:19:35
Speaker
It could have been, right? But i that's pretty crazy. But if Luthor wants to take credit for it, that's pretty sweet because what he was doing was creating the narrative or or getting the narrative out, right, of what was happening. These secrets that the Empire was was hiding from everybody, he was getting that out, right?
02:19:59
Speaker
I just, yeah, I just never... i I'll have to rewatch like the whole series and maybe there will be something in there on a rewatch that like, oh, okay, that, yeah, that does match.
02:20:12
Speaker
But right now thinking on I'm like, I'm like, I just thought Cass was just taking a break and he got swept up and stuff and he went into this prison and he tried to get out. Like, legitimately, that's what i but according to Luthan,
02:20:31
Speaker
He wanted him there. yeah So I don't know. I that's i wonder if they're even probably not even going to touch that. But i would I would be, again, maybe on a rewatch, maybe there's something that connects. So would be interesting.
02:20:46
Speaker
ah But no, yeah, Luthan's arc is going to be interesting to find. Cleia's, I agree. Deidre's is the one I'm really more interested in But yeah I really do feel like this is just them. These last three episodes is them learning about plans.
02:21:02
Speaker
Right. And what it means and sending like setting up, sending Cassian to like. Get this information. And again, do they learn of Galen? Right. Do we get a mention to him? I think we have.
02:21:16
Speaker
I don't know if we have to, but I think that makes most the most sense of them learning of ah the of this defective guy. Right. Galen or so. Yeah. I mean, because that's part of the reason why they went after Jin is because they knew Galen.
02:21:32
Speaker
was whatever, right? I believe if I remember Rogue One correctly. So like there's some stuff that we, that they could still do, right? That could, to connect Rogue One even more.
02:21:46
Speaker
And that would make sense in this story as far as them finding out what the true purpose of what has been going on this entire time that they're building this planet killer, right? Like, like you said, that's the first thing Cassian is told in Rogue One.
02:22:02
Speaker
So like we have to build up to that, like get confirmation of what they're doing. And this is what he finds out. So it's going be fascinating. I feel like that's where we're going to go. But any anything else that you want hope for these last three?
02:22:17
Speaker
I'm not watching it right away. i don't think I'm going to be able to watch it until like Thursday. all right. I'll keep it. ah Well, keep off socials. honestly, i don't get any spoilers like because I just don't even see crap anymore too much.
02:22:33
Speaker
Nice. You're lucky. I will. I'll probably watch the next morning so I can watch all three like back back because I don't want to like I could watch maybe the first one, but I know I'd fall asleep.
02:22:44
Speaker
Now, wait, you know, it's really weird. Did it drop earlier than nine last week? It usually drops at 9 p.m. But then I remember seeing a notification like at like almost six o'clock saying a new episode was availabl available. Oh, I don't know. I didn't even check that. I mean, I just assumed nine o'clock.
02:23:01
Speaker
and That's what I assumed, too. Yeah. i don't know. Well, maybe have to keep an eye on it. Maybe I was... I don't know. Anyway, but yeah, I'll probably watch if it's not, if it, unless it comes out earlier, probably watch the next day, like in the morning and watch all three, but I am fascinated to see what we do from here. I think they're setting up to be pretty much like they are finding out more about the death star. Cause they set that up at the end of season one, right? The building of these of the death star. So makes sense.
02:23:31
Speaker
All right. And final thoughts, anything before we get on out of here? Nope. Love the show. It's great. A little sad it only lasted a month, but yeah. Amazing content.
02:23:42
Speaker
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02:23:59
Speaker
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02:24:47
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