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Episode 163- Andor Season 2 Finale Recap
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Welcome to The GALactic Podcast! In this episode, Andrea and Lauren chat about Andor Season 2 Finale, Episodes 10, 11 & 12. Andrea was a writer on the show? How impactful is Rogue One now that the Andor series is complete? Was this a satisfying conclusion? They discuss these topics and much more!
Reminder to rate and review where available. And as always, may the Force be with you.
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Introduction to Andor Finale Discussion
00:00:09
Speaker
ah well Hello everyone and welcome to the Galactic Podcast. I am Lauren Romo with me as always as my cousin and fellow nerd Andrea Gutierrez. What up, what up? Right sons, what's going on?
00:00:21
Speaker
Oh man, just chilling.
00:00:24
Speaker
We have a lot to talk about. Oh my god, I know. There is a lot to talk about with Andor finale is what we're going doing today. think this is like best Star Wars of all time?
00:00:36
Speaker
We'll discuss. You're putting it there? No, we'll discuss. I like that. Hold on to the end. I like that question because I think there's some there's some meat to that question, I think, too. Yeah. ah But apparently you were a writer in the room, too. We'll talk about that.
00:00:54
Speaker
There's a lot to discuss with these last three episodes.
Star Wars Franchise Overview
00:01:01
Speaker
we'll get there for sure. ah But yeah, kids, this is going to be our Andor season two finale, episodes 10, 11, 12.
00:01:07
Speaker
ten eleven and twelve ah We're going to talk about them before we get to the fun stuff. If this is your first time listening to us, welcome. We are Star Wars Podcasts to discuss anything and everything within that galaxy far, far away.
00:01:20
Speaker
each episode, we will dive into one or two topics and have a general discussion on them. Topics could be movies, TV series, books, comics, a specific character, you name it, and we talk about it.
00:01:33
Speaker
Wow. And you said last episode you were afraid...
Character Arcs and Resolutions
00:01:39
Speaker
observations that they wouldn't land on the plane. Oh, man. How did did they land the plane for you? Let's start there.
00:01:46
Speaker
Hell yeah. Give all your overall thoughts and everything. Let's let's talk about it. I remember last time we talked, I said i didn't even need like in episodes 10, 11, 12. I felt like we're where we ended with nine, I would have been happy with and I could have connected the dots going forward.
00:02:02
Speaker
The one things I wanted was the ending of some arcs. Right. So Cleo, Luthan. um think those were the two. I think I even maybe brought up Lonnie as well, too.
00:02:13
Speaker
And i love it when Star Wars gives me what I didn't really know i wanted. Right. You know? And it gave me, like, what I wanted. Like, I did not need Luth and Clea flashback.
00:02:29
Speaker
But we got it, and I needed love... i love that so that's coming out of these three episodes that's where i was i was like man i just got information i didn't know i wanted and i feel so great about it right now thank you very much tony gilroy thank you yeah it it was it was a ride and a half man i mean these last three episodes we we're gonna dive into it but oh there's just a lot lot of Things that I did
Impact of Watching Andor Finale
00:03:01
Speaker
not expect. Like you just mentioned the whole Clay and Luthan, like really tying together. Dedra. I needed an end of a Dedra. I needed an end of a Pardigast. I got all of it.
00:03:11
Speaker
We got all of it, dude. Everything was wrapped up. Like they basically went down the line. I mean, even at the very end, we'll talk about it, but they they do a whole kind of montage of like who was still alive, what they were doing and everything. So...
00:03:27
Speaker
We'll dive deep. We're going to dive deep into it. But again, Angela, overall thoughts, though, kind of set the scene. How did you watch them? Did you watch all in one? Where were you at with it? Let's talk about it. Let's give me your overall thoughts.
00:03:38
Speaker
Yeah, i watch I did not watch them premiere night. I watched them a couple days later. I was out of town. And I watched all three ah back to back.
00:03:49
Speaker
um I watched them with a person that's never really watched a Star Wars movie, but has been watching and or never seen Rogue One. So at the end, as I'm like crying because i know what happens, this person Breaking news, my girlfriend, anyway.
00:04:10
Speaker
We don't do scoops here, but I just scooped that. Thank you very much. We love that for you. Was like, does he die? Why are you so upset? And I'm like, we have to watch Rogue One right now.
00:04:22
Speaker
didn't oh was Okay, I want to circle this, first of all. I want to go back. I got to know what the girlfriend thought overall, number one. Number two, I got to know if you did did you guys did watch Rogue One after.
00:04:36
Speaker
yeah Because I want to talk about that, too.
Continuation to Rogue One
00:04:38
Speaker
Yeah. Because i did I did similar where I watched Rogue One, like, after. Yeah, how'd you watch it? So i i did it premiere night. I had to like I stayed up and I watched all three. Nice.
00:04:52
Speaker
Yeah, dude. It's like you sit there after watching the masterpiece that was these final three episodes. And then you're just like, all right, well, I guess I got to watch Rogue One.
00:05:04
Speaker
And then even Disney Plus was like, you know, When it, you know, you watch the end credits and it kind of, it shows you like, wait, what to watch after you watch this. What does this show you? Rogue One. It's like, oh, okay.
00:05:15
Speaker
Yeah. And then like when you get done with Rogue One, you're like, I guess I got to watch a New Hope. I guess it's where we are. Yeah. You have to go in order now. So just makes sense. No, but yeah, I, this was a roller coaster. And again I, again, kind of, I still want to hear from you too, but like,
00:05:31
Speaker
I mean, just so much to, like you're saying, the ends of arcs, the continuation of the story, right? We know where it goes.
00:05:43
Speaker
And just how everything is wrapped up was, it was insane. It's like you're saying, I didn't know I needed some of the stuff, but I'm glad we did. Right? Like, It's just how Tony Gilroy and the team, I do want to say in team. Yes. Because they did a phenomenal job. The acting, again, was so good throughout this entire series.
00:06:07
Speaker
And it didn't stop. Like, it just, it it was incredible.
Production Praise for Andor
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Speaker
It was incredible. I mean, yeah i don't know. Like, again, the music, the costume designs, everything was just so good.
00:06:18
Speaker
they knew how to stick the landing and you could, you could tell, right. You could tell that this was how Tony maybe wanted to do it, or this is where they wanted to go with it. Right. So no, this was good.
00:06:33
Speaker
yeah This was just a great finale to of a fabulous show. And we'll dive her deep, but do you, anything else from like your overall thoughts about, about what they did? any, just like,
00:06:47
Speaker
Anything that pops up to you that obviously we're going dive deeper, but anything else on your phone on the first overall thoughts? ah The other thing I really loved about these was like the breaking of the Empire and the breaking of the ISB, right? the The cracking, right? so So ah that whole scene of them going to, you know, they were going after Clea, right? They were trying to capture Clea.
00:07:13
Speaker
And um just all of that, plus the the addition of K2 in there, just... My God. i'd like Ruthless.
Empire's Internal Struggles
00:07:26
Speaker
Ruthless. yeah so um I really like that as well, too. so Just the the um the inner workings, the fissures of of what's happening within the the Empire and the ISB was... That was chef's kiss. So great.
00:07:46
Speaker
Yeah. No, it was... I mean, it was perfect. like i mean How they... put and lined up everything and how they made these connections, you know,
00:07:58
Speaker
To how they find out about the Death Star. To how the message gets back to the Rebellion. How the Rebellion initially takes it. Takes that information. We'll talk about that you know that scene.
00:08:12
Speaker
Which, I mean, it plays very well you know going into Rogue One, too. They just did such a good job of knowing... knowing where to put the connections, right? And like when to and how to do it, like the mapping of it, like it goes, you know, again, we'll talk about it goes from like Lonnie to Clay to then to Cassie and Cassie tells the rebellion, the rebellion's like, I don't believe it because of Luthien, like the whole thing is so good.
00:08:43
Speaker
And, you know, it's like you're saying the, the empire part of it, the spiral that is the ISB just like going completely down is, is, it was great. I mean, it's great television and we'll talk about that too. I know you asked me, but yeah, ah that's, it's up there. It's definitely up there for me. We'll, we'll dive deeper into that, but um Let's get into the
Luthan and Lonnie's Critical Encounter
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Speaker
episodes.
00:09:11
Speaker
I mean, let's just get let's just get right to the juicy stuff. So episode 10 was Make It Stop. And and all all three of these were directed by um a Mr. Alonzo, and I'm probably going to mispronounce his last name, so i apologize, but is it Ruaz Palacios?
00:09:30
Speaker
think you got it. I think. I don't know. again probably Maybe not as like fluent, but i think you I think you got it. think I got it. I'm getting there. I'm getting a little better. and Then obviously the writers were Tony Gilroy and then a Tom Bissell as well.
00:09:45
Speaker
Again, those were directors, writers were all the same for each episode. But this episode, episode 10 was called Make It Stop. So. Woo-wee. I mean, last time on Andor, my mothma.
00:10:01
Speaker
It's out of Coruscant. That was such an episode. And like you said, and we talked about it last week or last episode, you could have stopped it there. I'd be like, oh, okay.
00:10:13
Speaker
This is how, this is this is what happens. I'm good. This what happens. I'm good. Nope. that I needed this story more than I thought. So, we get to a point where Luthen and Clea are getting a kind of like big, like, I need to see you message from Lonnie.
00:10:33
Speaker
Right. This is where we start and they're, they're getting prepared and, you know, uh, Clea Luthen are just kind of having a conversation. It's obviously been a year since Mon has left.
00:10:46
Speaker
Right. And, Clea makes a comment, which I kind of like. She's like, she tells Luthan, if it doesn't feel you know perfect, you know bail, you know bail, get out of there.
00:10:57
Speaker
And he's like, we're beyond perfect now. Right. So like he knew his time is coming. Right. Like he he felt it, I think. And I think you and I talked about this in previous episodes. It feels like he was getting to that point.
00:11:14
Speaker
Even like in the last few episodes, right? Like he was just making those comments or, and you know, those kinds of the conversations that him and Clay were having were like, he was telling her, you know, there's so many webs now, right? Basically there's so many lies and so many people that it's hard. It's hard to keep up. Right.
00:11:33
Speaker
Yeah. And he's not going to be able to keep himself secret or safe like anymore. Right. Right. That's pretty much his, his destiny is that he is going to get caught.
Tensions Rise with Empire
00:11:43
Speaker
Yeah. And Cleia knew that. like she and but she tried you know But to her her character, you know she she was the one that really kept everything and or in order.
00:11:54
Speaker
right I mean, she really was. Luthan was a major part of it, don't get me wrong. right I mean, he's a major part of the Rebellion and everything. We'll talk about that later, though, too. But she was really the one that really kept him in line.
00:12:08
Speaker
And really kept, I think, everything... in order so that, again, it wouldn't fall apart. As much as Luthan, too. But i think we I don't think we gave Clay enough credit.
00:12:22
Speaker
And I think this episode really nailed that for me. Oh, heck yeah. like right She was an integral part. She just wasn't like the shopkeeper and the message taker. like She had a huge stake in this process.
00:12:37
Speaker
As we learn, right? So... So Luthan meets Lonnie and at this point he tells him that, you know, he's had Deidre's like basically clearance stuff for like two years. Yeah, that's crazy. Which he never told Luthan and I love Lonnie's that like kind of like rationale was like, you would have told me to use it sooner.
00:13:02
Speaker
Right. He's like, but it's all about timing. Yeah. And, you know, he tells them that, you know, they're onto you. But that's not even the worst part of it. like Which you would think that would be bad, right? like Him finding out that Luthan is going to get caught like relatively soon. right That that was inconsequential to what he found out snooping through Deidre's stuff. And what does he find out? He's the one that
00:13:36
Speaker
Which is crazy, but he's the one that finds out about the Death Star. Now, he doesn't know the name of it, right? They don't know the name of the project or anything like that.
00:13:46
Speaker
But he knows that basically the Emperor was hiding everything under these, like... programs and certain things. Again, as we knew as viewers, right, the Gorman thing was all front and all these other things, right? The Jetta and mining stuff.
00:14:07
Speaker
It's all front for this super secret like weapon. ye He knew it was a weapon, right? And then Luthan... basically, you know, wants all the information, but Lonnie really wants reassurance that he's going to get the heck out of Dodge.
00:14:24
Speaker
Right. So again, take my family. we got to get out of here. Right. So again, that's kind of nuts and bolts. We'll dive deeper into it. But what did you think about the, this, you know, these few kind of first few minutes where, you know, Lonnie and Luthen, Clay and Luthen, like all this information,
00:14:42
Speaker
is being told. How did you kind of take it and where where were you at with it? Yeah, I mean, it was set up like perfectly and just so like the little tidbits that were being thrown out like him having deadress clearance, like you said, um you know, how how in how deep Lonnie was In being a double agent in this moment became like so clear, right? This isn't just sitting in meetings and getting information and relaying it. He's actually like getting information like.
00:15:18
Speaker
procuring it himself by getting like codes and stuff and like that that a relationship he kind of made with like Hertz or here it's or whatever his name is as well to was like well part of it.
00:15:30
Speaker
So, um you know, he's like a major player. And he knew the end game was like coming and he was like asking for help. So um and then to think like he's like she's on to you. She knows who you are. Like she's she's coming.
00:15:48
Speaker
Like I was like, nah, there's no way she knows yet. You know? But to try to like say like that's like you said, that's not even a big deal. Like there's this thing out there that they're making.
00:15:59
Speaker
All this stuff has just been a front like that. The the tension and the pressure that you felt in during that conversation was like you could feel it. It was amazing.
00:16:12
Speaker
And it like to create that kind of like environment atmosphere for a viewer was is just amazing. Yeah, again, and he even says that it's been going on for like decades, right? Because he says Krennic has been working on this.
00:16:29
Speaker
He said that Colonel Yaloren didn't find out for like um until like a month ago. Yeah. So like it has been a very top secret thing. Obviously, he made that very clear. And like you're saying, that's why, you know, yeah, Deidre's going to find you, but that's not even the worst part of it, man.
00:16:46
Speaker
Like it's it's bigger than this, right? So, again, we you know, he he asks, Luthan asks Lonnie, what does he know about the weapon, right? Which we don't really hear.
00:16:59
Speaker
Because then it just breaks away to Luthan kind of walking away. then we get this real, like, scene where this guy is walking his loath cat, which is very, well, a cat. don't know if it's a loath cat. It was a Tuka cat, I guess. yeah Yeah.
00:17:13
Speaker
So, which was which was cool. But then you see Lonnie slumped over.
Luthan's Fate and Rebellion's Commitment
00:17:18
Speaker
Did you think... at the moment that Luthor was going to take him out, or did you think Lonnie was going to get off planet?
00:17:25
Speaker
Bro, I thought Lonnie was going to get off planet. I felt like the sacrifice that Lonnie had made throughout this entire time was he was going to, like, he was going to see the sunrise, right? Luthor doesn't get to see the sunrise. Lonnie was going to get to.
00:17:41
Speaker
I was shocked that Luthor killed him. But it makes sense. In in in the... thought process of Luthan, right? He's a loose end that that honestly, even Lonnie made it clear that if they knew what he knew, he would have never made it out of the building.
00:18:02
Speaker
Right. So he's a lot obviously he's a liability, not obviously like saying Luthan shouldn't have tried to get him off planet, but like desperate times, desperate measures, right? Like he was like, well, he's a loose end.
00:18:15
Speaker
I don't know what they you know he had no idea what they were gonna do if he did get caught right Yeah, but if you think of, like, the plethora information that he had, right, and had access to, like, I felt like you could have kept him for a little bit longer, but it was just... For the rebellion's sake, right. Yeah.
00:18:35
Speaker
So it was kind of like a selfish move on Luthien's part because he's always like, I don't want anybody to find out about me, right? I don't want anybody to find out about me, which made me feel like he thought he was maybe going to get away You know, he wasn't as close to being captured as until, you know, what comes up next. And Deidre walks into a shop.
00:18:57
Speaker
Wow. wow Yeah. I mean, let's let's get to that whole scene, man. Because... Wow. So, well I mean, just right before that, though, obviously, like he meets Clea and he's going over the information that Lonnie told him. Right. I love it. I love the transfer of information.
00:19:16
Speaker
Yep. Yep. Kyber, Jedha, Urso. Right. Like everything. Say it. I love it. I love that stuff. It was so great. So and again, as fans, as Rogue One, we know how important those those places are, those things are and everything.
00:19:31
Speaker
So he he's the one that goes to the back to the shop because they know they basically are running out of time now. Like, it's very clear that they are running out of time. And Luthan knows it.
00:19:43
Speaker
Clea knows it. So Luthan is the one that goes to the shop, although Clea wanted to be the one. He decides to go there and he starts destroying their radio or whatever, hopefully destroying evidence.
00:19:55
Speaker
And then he hears the the doorbell of the shop and he walks out. You don't see who's behind the door yet. Right. And he doesn't he when he walks up, you know, his face is very like.
00:20:13
Speaker
It's telling. Telling, yeah. It's very telling. And then right when before he opens the door, he turns into the Lutheran Rail gallery dude. And then you know you show this you show the shot of Deidre back, turned towards him, and then she turns around. And then you know it's on. is is is It's over.
00:20:34
Speaker
Did you feel... At that moment. That she was there for him. Or throughout this conversation. Because we'll again we'll kind of talk about it as we go. But throughout the conversation.
00:20:47
Speaker
It seemed like maybe she was there for maybe something legit. So how how did you feel about about this whole this whole section? Yeah, they played that perfectly. i thought, like, maybe she's still, like, sniffing it out. She's not sure.
00:21:01
Speaker
and I'm just trying to maybe, you know, gauge a reaction and see if I can get some more information to, like, solidify my my assumption. Yeah.
00:21:14
Speaker
But when she pulled that Pathfinder out, bro, I was like, it is over for you. He was he and he knew it. Yeah, that was such a good play. You know, i was thinking, what is she going to have? Like, what is she going to have? And then she pulled that Pathfinder out. was like, oh, it's over.
00:21:33
Speaker
And he knew it. And he he he dropped the whole, like, persona at that moment, right? Because there was no... Why why even try? he knew it was over. He drops the kind of that, you know, gallery persona.
00:21:47
Speaker
And he goes kind of to that Luthan Rail, like, rebellion dude. And he's like, you know, she kind of calls him out on, like... being right under their nose and everything like that. And I love his comments to her of like, hey, you're like late, dude.
00:22:06
Speaker
Yeah. Like the rebellion that you think I have right now, I don't. You want to why? Because it's bigger. It's, you know, you think I disgust you? I love that line of like, there's a lot more in the galaxy that yeah are going to disgust you. Like, he knew...
00:22:26
Speaker
And then she was just so happy with herself. Right? Like, she puts the Pathfinder back in like the briefcase, and then she looks and she sees the smoke from the back, knowing that he was des destroying evidence.
00:22:41
Speaker
And then you know she turns around, and he had previously showed her this ah artifact that, again, he was telling her they couldn't verify it was real or not, right? It was like this... It's kind of like a dagger. Yeah, yeah.
00:22:56
Speaker
Dagger of some sort. And he used that to basically, like, stab himself. Badly. Like, really bad. oh yeah.
00:23:06
Speaker
And then she flips out. She calls, like, everybody in that was, like, surrounding the building because she told him that, too. She told him that he was surrounded. Yeah. And she's screaming for a medic and everything. And they get him in a like ambulance, which was really I got got it.
00:23:25
Speaker
It was cool to kind of see that part of like Coruscant or yeah how that works. Right. Like you don't think of that as a Star Wars fan. Right. Like, oh, yeah. Like there are hospitals. There are like medics. There are like these things that.
00:23:39
Speaker
still that are running normally did you know that hospital was named like the lena so memorial somebody told me that yeah they did the arabesh that's wild that is so cool and again that's probably a gilroy thing that he didn't even like know right yeah that's super like yeah somebody like Was like, yeah, let's just name it that.
00:24:02
Speaker
Like, we'll put an airbush. They'll figure it out. Yeah, that was good. The nerds will find out. Yeah. And we did. And we know how cool that is. So, but right before he is, well, as he is being put into the ambulance transporter, Clea sees all this.
Clea's Role and Backstory
00:24:25
Speaker
So at that moment, before she starts doing what she's going to do, Did you think she was going to get out of Coruscant? Or did you, like, what was your thought process of, okay, what is Clea's move now? What is she going to do? Did you have any idea of what would transpire be what she was going to do? Like, what was your thoughts?
00:24:48
Speaker
Well, I didn't really, like, kind of try to figure that out going forward. But I, you know, I know that... Clea would know what Luthien wants, so she's going to do whatever Luthien wants, right? She's not just going to abandon him, like, oh, he's caught, like, I gotta go, right? She's going either save him or do exactly what she had to do. Like, whatever she was about to do, it was going to be for Luthien.
00:25:18
Speaker
Yeah, no, it was probably by design, like you're saying, is probably these conversations that they had had, right? Like, probably... many, many times, of okay, if I get caught, this is what needs to happen, right? And this is what you should do and all that stuff. So she starts getting herself ready to infiltrate the hospital.
00:25:43
Speaker
And while this goes on, right, we start getting flashbacks of how these two met. And it's very fascinating that we meet Luthen I'm thinking with the timeline, my guess, I know a lot of other people believe, like, are thinking this way as well, that we're in the Clone Wars, obviously, era-ish, maybe towards the end of it.
00:26:12
Speaker
But he is in the... i don't want i dont boat he's i don't know if he's working for the Empire. i don't think so, but he's working for... a organization that is taking out people clearly.
00:26:26
Speaker
And he was a Sergeant at this point. Uh, and he, what happens is that Clea hides on his ship and he finds her. And that's the starting of their kind of relationship.
00:26:40
Speaker
Right. So how again, well let's talk. We'll kind of keep it all kind of together in in this way. But what did you feel about the flat ah like starting to get these this first flashback and everything?
00:26:53
Speaker
that what I did not expect any of that? I did not expect us to kind of really learn their their backstory. And I didn't know I needed Exactly. I didn't know we were going to get it. Didn't know I needed it. It was perfect, um you know, to see like the trauma that Luthen was going through, like the PTSD that he was having.
00:27:13
Speaker
um You know, he was some sort of military officer like. Whatever side he ended up on, like they were you know assassinating people that were just trying to live and they were overtaking their their place. So you would have to guess that it had some sort of relation to do with with the Empire and the beginning of it or the Republic. and had to have been Empire. I couldn't imagine during the Clone Wars...
00:27:42
Speaker
um I think it was early Empire, right? Just coming out of had No More Jedi, right? in you have some clones and then you also have some sort of military and, you know, you're just, you know...
00:27:56
Speaker
thoughtlessly following orders and they want to take over resources and they want to take over resources and um he loses it he's losing it right he can't even participate uh the sounds of everything is you know i i love that like when it's what you hear is so damaging right not necessarily what you see but the sound of it is so horrible that you just are are losing it like and I mean, it's just such a Bix, like circle back to Bix, right? Of her hearing. Hearing. Yeah. It's the hearing of it that is so traumatic.
00:28:33
Speaker
um I always think about that. Like when you, cause like when you get in a car accident, it's like what you hear is like crazy. Like you hear a scream or in the crash and everything is so loud. Like it's just so, ah you know, um traumatic.
00:28:47
Speaker
And, you know, To know that Clea was on there and she probably saw all that was happening and she was a witness. And then you also see her being a witness to like people being assassinated and young kids being assassinated. And it's just it was like devastating that those types of things were going on in the galaxy. And then there are people on Coruscant like, man you know,
00:29:11
Speaker
Not aware. Yeah. Not in my backyard. I'm cool. We're great. Or aware and didn't do anything. or Right. Or just looked the other way. yay Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. These flashbacks were great. Yeah. Continue. What else you got?
00:29:23
Speaker
Yeah. And then just to see those two ah and their, like, cat and mouse-like relationship, right? Like... i'll you're my daughter sometimes, right? Or however he said it.
00:29:37
Speaker
And then like her being so smart to to know how to deal with when he's bartering for things. Like it was just it it was just a great, simple way to to show the viewers how the relationship was created and like what ah like went into their psyche like later on. So it was just like perfectly executed, right? Super simple.
00:30:03
Speaker
It would have been great if we could have got like five seasons and we could have gone deeper into this and we would have had more Luthen and Clea like growing up. Them on Naboo, like give me a whole freaking episode of that. Why Naboo?
00:30:18
Speaker
Why the bridge? Why all of that? Like I would have loved to be able to have more episodes of that. But the little bits that they gave us was was perfect. And I didn't feel like we were missing out on anything.
00:30:30
Speaker
And I'll compare it to the Acolyte. Like we felt like that was rushed and we weren't getting enough exposition onto like someone's mindset. And this, they had to simplify it and it gave us what we needed. I thought it was so excellent. The editing, the directing, the storytelling, the script, everything.
00:30:50
Speaker
Perfect. Yeah. I think like you're saying, it was it wasn't a whole episode of flashbacks per se, right? I mean, it it was like three, these like three little little flashbacks that we get, right? the The first one where she was hiding on the on his ship and he takes her, you know, and then the next one like you talked about when she and him are starting to like barter, right? Kind of start the antiquities kind of like persona, right?
00:31:20
Speaker
in a way, and how she quickly knew what to do and say, right? And just quickly went into that role of being the daughter, right? And doing this and doing that. And then you go to that next one where he's even bartering even more expensive artifacts, right? Getting more money. And then that's when, like you brought up, she sees where the Empire is just
00:31:47
Speaker
rounding up people based on nothing. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. And they were kids. And that's the thing that i think hit her the most at that age was when there was a another like young person like herself being accused of something that they had no evidence
00:32:07
Speaker
to to to go on. They just literally put them in a row and then executed them. And it's just you know, that their relationship it is is fascinating, right? And then she talks about him, you know, before they go, before we get to the one in Naboo, you know, she talks about wanting to, you know, why aren't we fighting? And he's like, all you know is what how you feel and hate, right? Now we have to kind of go off of that and know when and what to strike and how to do that, right? Like that's
00:32:44
Speaker
That's kind of what he was telling teaching her. And then the little moment of him you know saying, when I tell you to move, move. yeah right And then that goes back to the very ah beginning of the episode when they're talking for before he gets ready to go to Lonnie and he tells her to move.
00:33:03
Speaker
yeah And there's just that little just like smirk and smile between them. Right. And just to kind of see that kind of full circle was, was really good.
00:33:13
Speaker
Like, it's just, it's so good. And then you get, and you get to the Naboo stuff. Like that was her wanting to do something about it, him fearing what he is teaching her and how it's impacting her.
00:33:28
Speaker
Right. But they are so far down this path that they have gone. Right. Right. And he wouldn't, he wouldn't, kind of teased of being the one to do it, but he knew that it would still be too much and he did it still, right? But I love that moment of like her looking before he hit the switch and he tells her, no, no, no, no. no no Like, look at me still.
00:33:51
Speaker
Then he hits it and then he said, look, right? And it's knowing those things of like, oh yeah, I can't look before it goes off because that might give something away, right? It's those little like teaching moments.
00:34:03
Speaker
I mean, these flashbacks, like you're saying, they we didn't spend a whole episode on Naboo or anything, but man, they were impactful when they when they did them. Right. yeah Like they were just they made complete sense.
00:34:16
Speaker
So within all these flashbacks, so you see her kind of infiltrating the hospital. Right. She starts off as like a possible patient with like a fake broken arm or whatever.
00:34:28
Speaker
Then she gets like ah goes into the nursing back room and steals somebody's outfit. It's totally spy cool crap like that she's doing. Yeah, I love it. right And I love like how the ISB people think, like oh it had to have been a team of like three people. No, it was just her. yeah well that's Next episode, we're going to get into that because that's amazing. The last flashback is the Naboo one.
00:34:56
Speaker
So then that goes to present day when she is infiltrating. She basically found where he is, the floor and everything. She's literally across the way. She just has to like go around.
00:35:08
Speaker
And what she had already did was set up explosives on like the transports. So they would be a distraction. Right. And she played her part very well, just like in the flat, like what she learned the flashback. Right. She actually didn't look before or whatever. Like she looked scared and nervous when she was like walking past the storm troopers running by her because of the explosions. Right. Yeah.
00:35:34
Speaker
And then she takes like her little pistol and like kills a storm trooper, kills a guard that's in front of Luthans, you know, room or whatever. Because Deidre, before all that, Deidre had this whole place like so rounded.
00:35:48
Speaker
Yeah. He made it clear to like the floor man, like the medical manager or whoever on that floor was like, we're taking control of it. You're going to listen to what I say.
00:36:01
Speaker
And how Clea was able just to sneak her way into it was amazing. And then you get to that final moments where she goes into the room. She like hits the blinds and she knows what to do. She has to do what she does.
00:36:18
Speaker
And she unplugs like the apparatus, the whatever machine that he's on and lets him, you know, kind of just pass away. And like you're saying, I feel like that's something that she knew and they probably talked about, like if this happens, I, you know, I can't, neither of us can like basically stay alive. Right. right Like that's not like that can't, that can't happen. So what, what a way for Luthan to go out.
00:36:48
Speaker
Like, how did you feel about his whole arc now looking at it? Like, I didn't know how was going to end, but I feel like this was the most appropriate way to do it, where it was on his terms, really.
00:37:04
Speaker
like like Like, everything was on his terms, right? Like, everything in this series. He did it his way, right? He recruited the people he wanted. He set up things that he wanted to do for the rebellion but it was all on his terms and his you know his end demise was was no different so talk to me about having his arc concluded having it really done by Clea talk to me about all those thoughts and feelings that you had watching it was good
00:37:35
Speaker
Yeah, I thought it was great. I also thought like it was appropriate that he never like ended up on Yavin, right? He never became a part of like that council. He never wanted to be, right? He knew like there were certain things that had to be put in place and certain people that had to be put in place for this thing to move on. he knew he knew they needed an army.
00:37:58
Speaker
He knew that they needed all that stuff. He just knew he wasn't the right person to participate in all that stuff. To lead it. Right. Right. To lead it. Right. yeah And I love it. Like, you know, later when, you know, Cassian has to tell those people, like, you're only here because of him. Like, um, yeah we'll talk about that. because that was big for sure.
00:38:19
Speaker
So, um, for him to like have to go down at the, at the, you know, being captured. I mean, this is all what he wanted, right? He stabbed himself for on purpose. You know, he, he wanted to, to,
00:38:34
Speaker
not be in an asset or to the to the ISB, to the to the Empire. He needed to eliminate himself. He tried his best to to do it on his own.
00:38:47
Speaker
He had trained and and conditioned Clea to know that she had to go forward with finishing that that off, and she knew that as well, too. So um I think it was like a poetic ending for him.
00:39:02
Speaker
And i think, ah you know, i'm i'm not surprised that he didn't make it to the end. I'm not like, like oh, man, I really wanted to get another story out of Luthen. Like, this was it. This was is his endgame. This is where we all kind of knew it was going.
00:39:19
Speaker
Him not even making it off course. The sunrise he would never see, right? Right. So... It was exactly the way that like it was supposed to be. Did I have it in my brain of like this was about to happen or like, no, I didn't.
00:39:33
Speaker
Because the storytelling is so and the writing is just so impeccable that it just you you're just locked in and you let it happen. You you're the along for the ride. So, yeah, I thought it was all super appropriate, just like you said, like that's Luthan's ending.
00:39:51
Speaker
Exactly. Yeah. And it should be, right? I mean, like you're saying, it's, he was never going, and i think even he knew he was never going to make it.
00:40:03
Speaker
And that's, he never really wanted, I think, to make it to Yavin. Right? He just wanted to be a part of the reason why Yavin exists. He just wanted to be a part of why the empire is going to fall.
00:40:21
Speaker
right he didn't like i mean like He told Lonnie in season one, man, i'm going to I'm not here to see the sunrise on a new ah new era. I'm the reason that sunrise is going to exist.
00:40:32
Speaker
I'm the reason why there's going to be a resistance and a rebellion to what is happening to the galaxy, right? Like, he just knew it. like you From season one, like, he just knew his ending was going to be tragic, and it fit.
00:40:47
Speaker
And then, how dare they do a long fade to black? Like, bro, I get it. don't need it like it could have like but well done like it was such a great shot though i mean honestly it was so good like they just you knew the impact of it right was coming and it's just they did such a good job and again for clea to be the one to do it i think is again full circle
00:41:20
Speaker
Right? Like, it's so good. And then that that actress that plays Clea, Elizabeth Dulau? I'm not sure how to pronounce that last name, but... She's fantastic.
00:41:32
Speaker
and i I did not know. i did not know I needed more Clea. yeah But like I didn't know how important she was. Like, wow. she She did a phenomenal job.
00:41:45
Speaker
And apparently, i was reading interviews and like watching stuff. This was like her first like big... like This was her first show, movie, anything. She had been a ah really, really good...
00:41:57
Speaker
um stage like ah stage actor in london like did a lot of like great stuff she was very well known in that kind of circles but like this was her first like major is her first ever like her first ever like film job are you kidding me with that like wow like performance in these three episodes well to go toe to toe with like stalin skarsgard right right But, like, to also think about, like, that all those people around her were, like, there to, like, also, like...
00:42:35
Speaker
Lift her up, teach her things, you know, all that kind of stuff. And I think I had read, too, that Tony Gilroy was, like, so impressed with, like, her performance that he actually added more Clea in.
00:42:48
Speaker
Yes, yes, yes. Like, based off of certain scenes in season one and, like, how she was doing, like, yeah, he was like, oh, well, I got to write more. Like, I'm going to make her important.
00:43:00
Speaker
And glad he did. Like I did not, like I said, I did not foresee a an episode like this to be such heavy. Like you knew Clea and Luthien, like you knew something was going happen.
00:43:14
Speaker
But for it to be such a heavy, heavy Clea and Luthien, again, I didn't know I needed it, but I needed it and I'm glad they got it. And I'm glad like these actors, like again, Stellan was so good.
00:43:29
Speaker
I mean, he is, Stellan's Garthgard is fantastic. But she, Elizabeth, did such a good job, though, too, as Clea. And then, we' we'll we'll get into the next episode, but like, she just absolutely he does a fantastic job, too, like, in these these next couple episodes. Like, it's just, it's it's amazing. She's so good, and I hope she starts getting a lot of other stuff, because she's fantastic. this whole Yeah, really great.
00:43:53
Speaker
whole cast. I mean, ah like, Denise, who plays Deidre, like, fantastic. i love Denise Goh. She's so great. She's fantastic. So, and then really, really, to kind of wrap on her, we know...
00:44:07
Speaker
That she's in trouble because her ex-assistant, who is the new Axios guy, right is PO'd because she did it while he while is his day off.
00:44:22
Speaker
it's like She went behind everybody's back and he tells her that she's arrested. so last so The last thing we see in this episode of her is her being escorted basically out and is under arrest. So And then we get all the Clay and Luthan stuff. So that was... Now, again, what's her fate? We'll find out, obviously, in this next episode. But any final thoughts, feelings on this episode, Ange, before we move on to the next one?
00:44:49
Speaker
No. I mean, perfectly executed television.
00:44:54
Speaker
Yep. I mean, 100%.
00:44:58
Speaker
It was pretty much perfect in every single way. I would agree with you on that one, my friend. Okay, so the next episode is called Who Else Knows? we are basically jumping right back to where we ended, right?
00:45:15
Speaker
Here it is the guy is Deidre's old assistant ah supervisor here. And he is the one that is now... in control of this whole situation because Deidre is arrested. It's all on him now, right?
00:45:31
Speaker
And he makes a comment to his buddy or whatever, like, I want this to be known. This was this was all Deidre's, like, plan and like procedures and all that this I'm just coming onto the scene right this is I had nothing to do with this right and then he you know is being told by that ah by his friend that at first like you brought up earlier they think it was a three-man team because of how like elaborate it was how everything went down they think that it was a three-man team right
00:46:11
Speaker
So they start searching. They get clearance to go into the security thing by basically blackmailing the head of the hospital and saying, like, we will do what we want to do.
00:46:25
Speaker
If you don't want us to do that, we are going to consider you a, you know, a hindrance to this investigation and you're going be arrested. Right? So he strongs arm the guy to let them do what they are doing and like shutting the hospital down and doing all this stuff.
00:46:43
Speaker
And then he wants ah security logs. Right? So then we get to Clea back at the safe house. So Which is really, it's it's it's crazy to see where the safe of house was when we saw it with Andor and Bix.
00:46:58
Speaker
Yes. that likewe And how, like, and how, like, pristine it was. And then it just looks completely destroyed. I love that. I also love that part. And I also love when Cassian and Melshi show up and the hallway is like demolished.
00:47:15
Speaker
And Melshi's even like, is this a place, man? And like, it just shows like over that time that like the Empire is not taking care of its people. Right. That's like that.
00:47:27
Speaker
That's the only message coming from from those those things is that. the Empire is not looking after the regular middle class folks and their living situations are like deteriorating.
00:47:47
Speaker
And they're not doing anything about it. Yeah. And it's crazy, right? So she, um she's in the safe house. She starts looking and breaking like the walls because she's putting back together a radio like thing so that she can send out a message. Right.
00:48:04
Speaker
While she's doing all that, we do get this amazing Krennic and Diedra scene where she's in the interrogation room.
00:48:16
Speaker
He's kind of coming in and then he turns off the camera and then he comes in and he is behind her and he just starts ripping into her and how incompetent she is.
00:48:30
Speaker
in that how basically she is a rebel spy, or if she isn't, she missed her calling. Like this whole conversation was so good.
00:48:41
Speaker
ah I mean, again, Deidre, Denise, Denise, the actress, and then um the guy that plays director Krennic,
00:48:53
Speaker
is can't believe i'm blank blanking on his name uh is it ben mendelson i believe yeah ben mendelson yeah wow wow wow and talk to me about i want to talk about this scene because holy holy for holies man what'd you think how'd you feel about this whole interaction between these two and the information we get is crazy what do you got Yeah, like all of this is so great.
00:49:25
Speaker
And then like, yeah, like the information like Deidre actually knew about the Death Star for a while now and she kind of just held on to it. That is wild to me. um But like the realization that Lonnie had her her credentials and ah the fact that they were like in an interrogation room that like she used to run. Right. She used to be the one interrogating people. And now she's put in this place like it was just such a good flip of ah to end a show like her downfall. Right.
00:49:58
Speaker
And then to know also like behind the scenes that some of that stuff was improvised, you know, and it was just like two people good at their craft, like allowing like each other to just like, let's allow the moment. yeah Yeah. Let's make this scene like what it's supposed to be this intense, like you messed up.
00:50:20
Speaker
oh my god, I can't believe I'm here moment. Like, it was so good. So, um you know, I know we were like, oh you know, of course Krennic's gonna be in there, but to see, like, Krennic, like... Scary Krennic.
00:50:32
Speaker
Yeah, like, coming in, like... that That... This scene was amazing. Like, I absolutely loved it. Yeah, I mean, for him to come in and just... Right off the rip, right? Like, he's just already berating her, like...
00:50:49
Speaker
how incompetent are you to go after Luthien on your own? Right. What else have you and your friend Lonnie like have been like telling Luthien? Because at this point, Krennic's like, the only thing that makes sense is that you're a rebel spy.
00:51:07
Speaker
Anything besides that means you are as incompetent as anybody else. Right. Right. And, you know, he tells her that, you know, Lonnie had logged into her stuff like for like two hours.
00:51:24
Speaker
And she's trying to say, i didn't give him that stuff. Right. He's like, well, you had a lot of information that you shouldn't have had. And that's when, like you're saying, that's when we find out that she has been, as he calls her, a scavenger.
00:51:36
Speaker
Right. Which I love again, Ray. We love that. But she, you know, has had received a package that wasn't really supposed to be hers, but she read it. And like Krennic said, yeah didn' that doesn't mean you didn't look into it.
00:51:50
Speaker
Right. And how do you have all this information? Right. And I like her retort. I mean, she's like, well, first of all, your people interrogate a guy that basically like described Luthan to a t but they like killed him.
00:52:10
Speaker
And then that information never got to me. and Yeah. Right? So, like, she's like, you're not giving me information that I need. So I had what I had to do And he was like, no.
00:52:23
Speaker
And then, like you're saying, the improv, apparently like again, according to like if when you read and hear stuff, the point of him like putting his finger on her head, that was all improv by Ben Mendelsohn. Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:36
Speaker
Bro. Bro.
00:52:39
Speaker
Oh, so good. Like, how he even, like, thought that would be, like, intimidating or scary, like, what is genius. like And the fact that she picked up on it, right? Like, the minute he did it, like, her reaction was, like, fear.
00:52:56
Speaker
And so, like, that, but to know that, like, they were just playing off of each other in that moment as actors is so cool. I mean, that's amazing how that like the, like you're saying the, the ability of them to know that, okay, he's doing this. I would have, I have to react like this, like just to know.
00:53:17
Speaker
Right. And then him yelling, like yelling at her and berating her. And then when he grabbed her face at the end, he's like, you know, we'll let you know when, if we ever need you again and all that.
00:53:29
Speaker
And then obviously at that point, she doesn't know Luthan's dead. Right? She still believes like he's going to get, you know, he's going to recover. And then I love that little moment of you don't hear the conversation, but you see Krennic talking to somebody who like interrupted his conversation with Deidre outside the outside the interrogation room. And you know at that moment, they're telling him Luthan's dead.
00:53:56
Speaker
And you feel Deidre is, again, can't hear that conversation, but knows that's what's being said too, right? So just a beautiful, like, just a well-written, well-performed, like, scene.
00:54:13
Speaker
Like, just so good. Like, just so good. So now, here it is, we get a scene real quick of...
00:54:27
Speaker
Part of gas, hear it, and Krennic. Right? Well, no before that, let's go back to this. I apologize. I kind of jumped. So, Clea puts together that radio, sends a message, and it goes to Will.
00:54:39
Speaker
And Will's ah girlfriend, Drina, is like, bro, what is this? It's waking me up. What is this? And he knew right away. Yeah. like Will knew immediately, like, oh no.
00:54:53
Speaker
And he asked her, like, how long? When was the last time you heard a beep? She's like, like, you know, a half hour ago. And she's like, what is what is going on? Like, why why are you hiding this from me? Because she knew that, obviously, as we find out,
00:55:07
Speaker
having illegal, like, you know, uh, an illegal, uh, device communication devices can't have it on Yavin. Right. So then he grabs it and then we go to a scene where it's Melchi and, and, uh, K2 and Cass playing like a dominoes game.
00:55:30
Speaker
I love that again, little moment of like, kind of pause, right, from, like, the intense situation that's happening right now of them playing, like, Domino's, like, in, like, just messing around with K2, right, and him and K2 just giving it back to them and all that.
00:55:50
Speaker
It was such a good scene. thats So talk to me about kind of these two things, right? So Will will is getting this beeping message from Claire. We get to Cass and Melchie, and then eventually Will comes in and breaks it up and, like, throws the the device on the table, right?
00:56:08
Speaker
Knowing how important it right? They talk, you know, they talk about how, like, it's even, well, even Cass was like, are you sure it's even working? Like, and we'll reaffirm, like reassures them, dude, I keep, I keep a charge.
00:56:27
Speaker
And they know, like, what it means, what that could, what it could mean. Right. And it's not until they actually get that signal that I think Cass finally realizes it.
00:56:39
Speaker
And that's when they kind of like jump into action. Right. Which again, so kind of staying with, with those, with the Yavin part of it for now. um Anything pop off to you? Any like, again, the funny moments, obviously within the Melchie cast and K2 stuff. So go ahead. Talk to me about this whole situation.
00:56:58
Speaker
Yeah, these are, like, other moments where I wish, like, we got three seasons and more episodes, right? I would have loved to have a little bit more of Melshi, Cass, and k two hanging out, you know, and what it was like to be on Yavin, you know, yeah on a day-to-day basis. and you know, it You almost... Like, I don't know. almost forgot about Willman. Like, I forgot about Will. Like, so i was thinking, like, if...
00:57:28
Speaker
Clea is reaching out via like radio. like who Who is she reaching out to? Never thinking actually that she would be reaching out to someone on Yavin because technically like there I wouldn't think that there would be any type of like radio frequency. or like how How are we going to get to Cassian, right?
00:57:45
Speaker
So it was just, like, kind of cool, like, how all of that happened. And then, like, every, you know, the conversation of, oh, it could be malfunctioning or ah all of that. So it was just really great to be like, hey, this is how we're going to get Clea.
00:58:01
Speaker
And this is who's going to be involved. And I love that Melshi's, like, and K2 are, like, part of this group. You know, I just think, like, that, you know, knowing that Melshi K2 from Rogue One is, like,
00:58:16
Speaker
Like, Melshi especially, right? You know that he was on Arkina. You know that he made it to Rogue One. like But to know that like he was there participating in like these heavy things ah and he's going to be a part of like this rescue as well, too. like that That was just like a cool touch. Yeah.
00:58:35
Speaker
um Yeah, i this I just wish there was more. That's it. Like, out of all this, when I'm watching this, I wish there we could have got more seasons, more episodes, all of that.
00:58:49
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it would have been fun to see more K2 Cassian hijinks, right? Missions that they they did or things they did along the way, right, up until this point.
00:59:01
Speaker
I agree. It was cool. But even just this little... little moment of it, you kind of can get a sense of like how how the friendship is working, right?
00:59:14
Speaker
Like how they are treating him kind of as a friend. You know, they're not really treating him as like ah just a droid that they reprogrammed, right? Which they could, right? They're treating him as like a part of their team.
00:59:31
Speaker
right Even though there's a moment, again, we'll kind of get to the next episode, but there's a moment where K2's kind of looking for Kaz's approval and Kaz doesn't give it to him so much.
00:59:43
Speaker
But we'll talk about that later. But yeah, I love all this. I love that Will, it's the message gets to Will, right and then he takes it to Cassian, who is the messenger, right as we as we you know last less episode we kind of, you know, we get that sense of from the Force healer who Andor, who she believes Andor is, is this messenger, right?
01:00:09
Speaker
So, good good stuff, right? that So, we find out that the beeps, you know, she's making all the contact, Will gets it, and at the same time, Kirit is trying to figure out where she is, right? So, he first talks to Partagas and Krennic, and again,
01:00:30
Speaker
This scene, very good. Ben Mendelsohn ate it up. He was so good in this in this little moment, right, of like, hear it, trying to tell them, like, it's just her, right? They have the hologram.
01:00:42
Speaker
He's like, okay, what do I do, right? He's looking for... for guidance and you know krennic's like yeah do blast her picture all over the place right like get this out and then he's like okay but how like what are we putting it under like she's wanted for murder like with all this stuff and then she's yeah hard to guess which is i mean it is kind of smart in a way but it comes to bite him in the ass which we'll talk about later yeah It's smart. Like, okay, now don't alert her that we know she's the one that did all this, you know, explosions and stuff like that. Like, she left the hospital as an infectious person.
01:01:21
Speaker
She's a danger to everybody else. Like, that's what the, you know, the warrant or whatever needs to be. And I love Krennic's, like, initial, like, his reaction to hear it.
01:01:33
Speaker
Okay, well, there you have it. Why you still sitting here? Like, get out of here. Like, i just love like the line delivery by Mendelssohn was so good and then they you know Krennic and Partagast who we find out i don't know if we knew this before but his first name is Leo any, you know, they're talking about, you know, part of guys calls him out. Like, you know, we have been holding this death star thing under wraps for way too long.
01:02:06
Speaker
You know, like it, we, this needs to hurry up. And I love Krennic's response to like that kind of like that, you know, to part of gas for that. He's like, you're starting to sound like Tarkin, which I love so much. Like it was so good. Right.
01:02:20
Speaker
Right. So again, these two kind of, again, two great actors playing off each other, really good scene. Right. And i just, the information, you know, again, he is going, you know, Krennic says he's late. He's got to be, he was two hours late to be on Scarif. And like, you know, if this basically, and then Krennic kind of tells him like, listen, I can't protect you anymore. So like, if this whole situation goes down, you're going to be in trouble.
01:02:50
Speaker
Like, it's going to be on you. Right? So, like, just this message ah message of you know, it's how it's it's up to you now ah was very interesting.
01:03:01
Speaker
Ange, any quick thoughts or anything you want to add to that scene? Anything pop up to you as far as, you know, Partagas and Krennic's relationship, which seems friendly.
01:03:14
Speaker
Yeah. Seems like they were friends, you know? Yeah, but you can also tell, like like, the cracks are starting to come, you know? like I don't think it's at this part. It was later on when like part of grass, like realizes like they're everywhere. Right. This isn't what we thought. This isn't just like this small thing. Like people are everywhere.
01:03:36
Speaker
Yeah. Next episode. Yeah. yeah yeah So, yeah, I mean, it's just that self-realization that I think like you're saying, it's the, the cracks are starting to show. Right. So then we have here, it go back, go to Deidre for advice, which I love. I love how they shot that scene.
01:03:54
Speaker
Where it's like you're you're behind here it a little bit. But the camera is low and it's on Deidre, but only through like this little like.
01:04:05
Speaker
Crack in the cell that she's in Right. I just I just love how they shot that. It was so good. And basically he's asking, you know, like that she's that he's asking her for advice.
01:04:17
Speaker
And, you know, he's saying that he put out this whiteout thing that, you know, ah that she's, you know, that she needs to be found because of whatever.
01:04:31
Speaker
But he's like, she's too smart to, you know, do anything that would get her captured. He's like, so how? you know I'm looking for advice. You know them best. What should I do? right And that's when she brings up the idea of the pulse codes. That is what Clea is doing.
01:04:51
Speaker
That they you know they found one on Ferex. They found one on the guy that they captured back in season one during that arc. um And that it could be that. But then she even tells here that it's probably too late.
01:05:08
Speaker
Right? In that, hey, there's probably a cell for you too, by the way. Right. Which, oh God, we'll get to his demise too, which is going to be great. good. Yeah. But, so,
01:05:19
Speaker
it They are back at Luthans and like the IT. This is one of my, this is again, really, really funny to me. They're talking to like the IT lady that's working on like the destroyed stuff. Right.
01:05:33
Speaker
And she was like, it's actually kind of brilliant how they did this. Like they were like connected into the next door and this and this and this. And she was like, seemed impressed. Yeah. And that she kind of like read the room.
01:05:44
Speaker
it like ah i mean, anyway, and basically she tells him, though, that like it's worthless. Right. Unless there's something.
01:05:57
Speaker
That she can like connect to, like it has to be all taken to like their lab. Right? And I love here, it's like, well, that's, you know, that can't be.
01:06:08
Speaker
But, unfortunately, right at that moment, that is when Clea sends another message, right? So, throughout the episode, she kind of, like, sends these period periodic messages, these impulse messages, right?
01:06:19
Speaker
And she sends one, and then it beeps on the council. So now they have something to work with. Right? So at this point, too, Cassian and Melchie and K2 are on their way.
01:06:32
Speaker
Again, ah not really ah given the permission to leave, but they do it anyway. Right. And Will wants to go, but but Cassie basically tells him that he has to stay back and to like put them on like a list so it doesn't look too suspicious, right, and all that stuff.
01:06:52
Speaker
And they are on their way to Coruscant, but there's a real quick scene, too, of Dreven and Will. And where he, you know, Draven calls Will out basically for like, oh, well, you know, Luthan called you guys, right Because they don't know he's dead at this time.
01:07:12
Speaker
But they know that um device, the communication device is Luthan, right? And Draven basically tells Will like, listen, you guys, you know, he calls, you guys go running, right? And I love Will's kind of like,
01:07:29
Speaker
you can run him down all you want, right? Because obviously, as we find out, they obviously the Rebellion does not have high thoughts of Luthien. Because of how deceptive he is and all that stuff, right? The like the web of lies and everything.
01:07:46
Speaker
He's like, Will's like, you can run him down all you want, but he is the reason why we're all here. Yeah. And it's so true, right? so to Talk to me about that scene. like I feel like Will was really speaking truth that I think we all as audience knew, right?
01:08:02
Speaker
But Draven and the Rebellion, they don't see it that way for whatever reason, right? So talk to me about that scene, how you felt like what Will said and everything. I loved it. Yeah, I mean, it's him pretty much not only defending Luthan, but also defending like Cassian as well, too.
01:08:21
Speaker
um And like letting them know like the only reason they have like an alliance right now is is because of Luthan. um And I find it like so interesting that Draven then like locks him up.
01:08:36
Speaker
Right? Like... And it just makes me think, like... Of that scene... It immediately made me think of that scene in in Rogue One where Jyn wants to go Scarif and they're all fighting amongst themselves and don't want to do it.
01:08:50
Speaker
Like, here you are. Like, you actually have an enemy. Don't make another enemy with like within your group. Right? um And it just, like, goes to show, like, that the Rebel Alliance...
01:09:06
Speaker
is like just has so many ideals right and has so many different um like figureheads that it's so hard to believe that they can like defeat like this giant enemy of the empire because they just continue to like squabble amongst themselves and And it also shows like the importance of of Luthan. Right. Because Luthan always knew who his enemy was. Right.
01:09:36
Speaker
He never made enemies of those other people, but he also knew like what information to give them and what not to. And unfortunately, and I love like that that part like earlier when when Will was like, you know, being there, like there's so many people that come in and out. Like, how can you like trust what's going on?
01:09:58
Speaker
And then but then like it comes down to like it does come down to like trust and having like minded people around you and and having a purpose. But it just goes to show you like the rebellion.
01:10:11
Speaker
is so close to cracking on themselves. Like they might be like what defeats them. so They're going to defeat themselves before the empire does. And, but like, luckily you have like these, these people that continue to keep like their vision straightforward and like, no, this is our enemy. This is who we're going after. yeah So um I think that was just like a really good display of, of that storyline.
01:10:37
Speaker
Yeah. I think what, I mean, I just like how will was so like, Like the way he delivered it too was like, you know, you can do that. You can run him down.
01:10:48
Speaker
But you know as well as I know that without Luthien, none of this exists. And he's right. Like he's 100% right. Right?
01:10:59
Speaker
Yeah, maybe Luthien wasn't the greatest person to work with. Right? I mean, Clea could probably contest to that. But, and we'll find out later in the episode and next episode, she knew as well as anybody that he didn't do things like you're saying that weren't for the rebellion.
01:11:25
Speaker
And he wouldn't have died for something that wasn't worth it. And even Cassian and Will knew that. Right? And even Will like will calls this like the final call. like They knew the like the pulse code and how it was coming over. like They knew it was like, okay, this is like trouble SOS type stuff, right?
01:11:48
Speaker
so we So they get on the Coruscant, right? There is that little moment of K2 telling Cassian, do you want to know how many orders? I just like love it. How many orders we have broken? And he's like, no, he's like 17.
01:12:03
Speaker
And then the guy is still over like in their comms trying to tell them to turn around. And Cassian tells us to tell turn it off. He sets it off. He just says 18. Perfect.
01:12:15
Speaker
It's so good. I love i just love it. So they get on a Coruscant, right? and they land and then they have you know they're going up to to get the Clea.
01:12:26
Speaker
At the same time, Hira and his crew are there too, right? And they get, you know, they arrived just a little bit probably after Cassian, obviously Cassian does.
01:12:37
Speaker
And they basically shut down that section of like communication. And then K2 was in the plane still.
01:12:48
Speaker
And he notices it. And then he notices the transport, the um Imperial transport, like landing, like right at the door where they're on like a landing pad.
01:12:58
Speaker
Yeah. These guys just like land on the sidewalk, like they own the joint. And now here and all them are ah looking for the device. Right.
01:13:11
Speaker
So part of gas is kind of in like the comm center, right. Listening over to this because he knows this is, This is it. If they screw up, he is finished.
01:13:23
Speaker
He is so finished. So he's you know he's listening to everything going down. Here it has this device where it can not pinpoint exactly, but give like a general area of like where this device is. right so Cassian and Melchie, they go to the 27th floor and they go to Clea.
01:13:46
Speaker
And I love, I just love Clea's response when she finds out it's Cassian. She's like, you know, it would be you. hu It would be you right? Because ah he, if anything, Cassian is a loyal dude.
01:14:01
Speaker
Right? Especially to, even though he had differences with Luthien, right? He was loyal to Luthien. Through and through. And Clea knew that. So then Clea starts telling Cassian about what Luthan was told her.
01:14:18
Speaker
Right? About, you know, Kyber crystals and, you know, Galen Erso. Galen Erso and, you know, ah the Gorman mining and all this stuff. Right?
01:14:30
Speaker
And she is very gives off the vibes of she does not want to leave. Yeah, she's one at her end. Like, she also sees, like, I, like, how Luthan did. Like, I've played my part. My part is over with.
01:14:50
Speaker
Like, I'm giving you this information and then i that's it. I'm out. But I'm out in, like, a big way. So, I mean, it's building, you know they're, you know, they're talking and then again, they don't know because their comms are down with K2.
01:15:05
Speaker
They don't know that they are getting approached on. Right. And. the initially the Hirit and his little squad of... I don't think they're stormtroopers. Correct me if I'm wrong.
01:15:19
Speaker
They're just like ISB. They were like... kind of you know um like i he Alex from Star Wars explained kind of like described like how they were. like a callback to some in Legends. Yeah.
01:15:33
Speaker
it's like a callback to like some in like legends And I was like, oh, that's because I was like, why don't they have helmets on? Like, what is going on? I don't need to see this man's mustache. But, you know, but it was a callback to something.
01:15:49
Speaker
It was. Okay. Which makes it, I mean, yeah, I, for some reason, my head was telling me they're they're like specifically ISB, like whatever. They're not stormtroopers. They're just like an offshoot wearing the same shit because it's the Empire.
01:16:05
Speaker
Right. But they weren't stormtroopers. Yeah. So they go to the 26th floor and go to the room basically directly below Cassian and they interrupt like this couple's whatever like day. Yeah.
01:16:21
Speaker
And then they find out that they're basically right above them. Right. So at this moment, Like, if you can remember, did you feel that, I mean, obviously, as fans, we know Cassie and K2, Melchie, get all, get out, right? They survived.
01:16:42
Speaker
Were you nervous? Let me ask maybe ask it this way. Were you nervous that Clea wasn't going to make it? like Did you feel like this was her end? I mean, and it didn't really necessarily matter to me like either way, right Like...
01:17:00
Speaker
Yeah, I would have liked her she does, like get to Yavin and continue to participate in the rebellion in my head canon and a little bit and shown in the show.
01:17:13
Speaker
But um it I wasn't like that, like wasn't, I don't know, that wasn't my thought process through like all of this. You know, my thought process was just like, are they going to just kind of slip out or are they going to like really give it to the empire? Like to these guys, like, you know, so that's kind of like where I was with that.
01:17:35
Speaker
Yeah. And then i was in the meantime, k two got out of the ship and is just perfect. Dude over the railing. It's so good.
01:17:47
Speaker
And then he goes on to the Imperial, like, transport and, like, takes care of that whole situation. So I will say this. Go ahead, yeah, go ahead. I'm watching this episode with someone that's never watched Rogue One before.
01:18:00
Speaker
and like, all these K2 moments, like, she's loving them. Like, laughing out loud, like... It is like exactly like not knowing like what K2 is like, but like seeing it for the first time in those moments, like it landed.
01:18:15
Speaker
It landed with someone that didn't know what K2 was like. So that was really cool to like witness. That's cool. No, that's cool that that somebody that's not a nerd like us, like those moments hit.
01:18:30
Speaker
They did. They hit.
Transition to New Episode and Character Dynamics
01:18:31
Speaker
That's good. No, that's cool. That's cool to know that. That's that's actually really, cool. So we end the episode of them getting like them entering the 27th floor and like walking down the hallway. Right.
01:18:44
Speaker
Like that's how you end the episode. So of course you go in straight to the next episode. Right. So we'll start going into our last and final and or episode. Right. This is.
01:18:57
Speaker
crazy two-season journey that we're on. ah But the last episode is called Jedha Kyber Urso. What a title, bro. but What a title.
01:19:11
Speaker
What a freaking title. i mean so We jump right back into it right? that We were still on Coruscant. Kalea is still kind of reconciling the idea of leaving, right? She's still very like, I don't want to go, especially to Yavin, right?
01:19:28
Speaker
Because I love her, like what she's telling Cassie and she's like, she knew, she knows how they feel about Luthen. Which in probably reflection of how they probably feel about her.
01:19:41
Speaker
Yeah. Right? So she is very like anti, I don't really want to go to Yavin. Right? But, you know, Cassie and says, you, you know, I love the line of him telling her, you have to see what you, not just Luthen, right? I'm glad he, met like, he made sure, like, to tell her, you helped build.
01:20:03
Speaker
Yeah. Like, you helped build this whole thing. It wasn't just him. Like, you're a big part of this, right? And then Melchie, you know, says, like, they need to hear, from they need to hear it from you.
01:20:16
Speaker
Right? Like, from, like, the horse's mouth, really. Like, And that goes back that goes back to Rogue One to like. Right. Because they don't have Galen's message. They just have Jyn saying what Galen's message was. And it's not enough.
01:20:31
Speaker
Right. It is not enough for the the the the council, the council of the rebellion to say, yes, we need to go Scarif and get these plans. So it's absolutely true. Like that. Mel, she's like, they need to hear it from you. They can't hear something that we heard from this person that, you know, that heard from Luther. And like you, it needs to come from you.
01:20:52
Speaker
Right. So I, you know, they kind of finally convinced her. Right? To leave. And Melchie steps out of the door and those guys are down the hallway.
01:21:04
Speaker
Dang. Right? And then, you know, Andor or, you know, Cassian. Cass and Clea step back. So they only have seen Melchie at this point, right? And they're like telling him, you know, don't move. Put your hands up.
01:21:19
Speaker
He does it. And then he runs back in real quick. Yeah. but So good. But they knew smartly, though, the officers knew on like, you know, ah the the plan that they needed these people alive. Right. So they didn't shoot at him.
01:21:35
Speaker
right And then they didn't even try to shoot at them. They threw a like shot a shock grenade or whatever yeah at them. right So i kind I mean, it's very like small detail, but I like how they kind of like knew, like they put that in there, right?
01:21:54
Speaker
Showing you that they knew that they had to keep these people alive. Right? That was the big, that was the goal. Right? So again, the comms are still down for even because of K2.
01:22:07
Speaker
The comms are down for the the this team that here it has, right? So they have no idea K2 is coming coming coming for him.
01:22:18
Speaker
common right g you know He takes out the two people that were like at the elevator, which is hilarious, right? He goes up the elevator. He's he's like got a blaster of some sort, right?
01:22:30
Speaker
And he's going down the hall like a you know like a Terminator 2 or something. Like a robot. And the the team turns around and they start shooting at him. Right? And then the best part is when he grabs Hirit and uses him as a shield. shield, man.
01:22:50
Speaker
Bro.
01:22:53
Speaker
He is cold-blooded. It was so good. It was so good. so And then, obviously... Cassian and Clea and Melchie were all kind of knocked out from the shock grenade, but they kind of come to and all that.
01:23:05
Speaker
And then, ah you know, k two takes out the last guy. And he i love his line of like, I've cleared a path. Like, I just love it so much. So Clea, at this point, though, Clea is knocked out.
01:23:18
Speaker
That we obviously, that we find out. Did you think at any point that she was actually gone? Or did you think that she was still still alive at that point? Or did you just kind of just let the story tell you? Yeah, I was just like in the story.
01:23:35
Speaker
um That's fair. Yeah, I didn't think like either way. Anything you want to add to like this scene? I mean, really good action scene, I feel like. Oh, unbelievable action scene. And i I love it when people are like, you know, the explosions like distort their reality and they're out of it. It just adds that level of stress to like what's going on. And you're like, oh, my God, like, you're like, you know, Cassian and Mel, she make it. But you're like, oh, my God, what is going to happen? It was so good. So, yeah, it was just it was a really great action scene. And again, like the K2 just...
01:24:11
Speaker
Coming in using that guy as a shield, just all of that. Like, it that was great stuff. No, it was really good. And then even, um i want to mention this real quick, too.
01:24:24
Speaker
When they were entering Coruscant,
Saw's Intelligence and Rebellion's Strategy
01:24:26
Speaker
K2 made a comment of, like, i've you know, i've I've been here before because this was Melchie's first time. And K2's like, yeah, I've been here before. i was in a parade.
01:24:37
Speaker
Yeah. There was like 200 of me. And then the way he says the Emperor was there, was so, like, good. like Like, it was a Like, he was scared of him.
01:24:49
Speaker
oh Yeah. You know? Like... it was just i know I had to bring that i did that scene just popped in my head. It was a really quick thing, but I just like how his like tone.
01:25:01
Speaker
His like tone is so good. Yeah, like it changed. and he was yeah The Emperor was there, like scared as hell, it seemed like, right, of him. It reminded me of like in Rogue One when he says, it's high, you know?
01:25:16
Speaker
yeah, yeah. So they get out and then, you know, they're they're flying. um Part of gas is just in trouble. He knows it. The best part of that about this too, while this was all going on, they're trying to get more people to to where this, you know, here it and his crew were.
01:25:35
Speaker
But the girl that he was with, like the the the one girl was like, well, everybody else is on this warrant for this like infectious person because they don't know it's connected, right? These people don't know that that warrant is connected to what this team is doing.
01:25:53
Speaker
yeah So it's just the irony of like his dumbass idea comes back to bite him. Yeah. Right? Which is So good.
01:26:06
Speaker
Yeah. Like how that was kind of a full circle moment too. Right. So we get back to Yavin and the first, we get, we see a scene, which we talked about last week.
01:26:19
Speaker
You know, i I, said, I would like to see saw again. Right. And I think this was such a good scene of showing that, um So it's Mothma, Draven, Bale, and Saw's on a big like hologram, right?
01:26:39
Speaker
And they're trying to tell him that, like, listen, we know you're on Jedha. know what you've been doing. And we know that there's a destroyer above Jedha. Like, we we know what's going on. But they think the destroyer is there because of Saw.
01:26:58
Speaker
But the destroyer is there to collect the Kyber. Kyber. Right, right, right. So, again, connections, right? Yeah. But I just love Saw's response. Like, you don't know where I am. ah love that guy. so He is so far gone at this point, right? like All that rhinonium he's huffing. is just so
Council's Doubts and Cassian's Defense
01:27:18
Speaker
The more think about it, and know if we i can't remember if we talked about this last week, but the the thing that he breathes in, right? yeah you think there's rhinonium now? Yes, I do now. Now I no longer think like that his chest was crushed and he needed assistance to breathe. I think this dude is an at addict and is huffing rhinonium.
01:27:38
Speaker
i I think that's where we are. could be wrong. Maybe it is oxygen. It would make more sense if it was oxygen, but... No, bro. if you When you watch Rogue One and he takes that last hit, like that is not him trying to like catch his breath. That's him like trying to get high for this last moment. ah right yeah You're probably right. yeah it's set he's definitely He's definitely a Rydonian addict for sure.
01:28:05
Speaker
But i just love his his defiance was so like, you don't know where I am You don't know what I'm doing. you know, and you, you know, he tells my mouth, my UB, can't remember the the line goes something about like, you would be good. um A good leader. If you were as good, you'd be a good, you'd be a good fighter. If you, yeah if you were as good line or something like that, like,
01:28:35
Speaker
Just how he, again, he never trusted these guys to the bitter end. But to show like how his intelligence is so much closer to the Empire than everybody on Yavin. like He's so close to... Part that's Luthan, you could say, too, maybe, right? Yeah, I mean, he's in the right place at the right time, honestly.
01:29:00
Speaker
but then he ends up being in the wrong place in the wrong times so there is that so one but he was more on the trail which we know from rebels though right we know he knew about the kyber and like that is what he was searching for right going to rogue one so we knew he was like you're saying we knew he was a lot closer than anybody to figuring out what was going on exactly So, but I just like love that you don't know where I am. like Like, my mouth goes, we know where you are.
01:29:34
Speaker
You are picking off transports. You have a Star Destroyer over Jetta. We know where you are. He's like, no, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't. And I just love the exhaustion after he goes, like, after the end that conversation.
01:29:49
Speaker
My mouth is just like, oh my god, I hate this freaking... can't deal with that guy. This guy. Right? Even Bale's like, oh, he's insane. Like, yeah, pretty much. Pretty much.
01:29:59
Speaker
So then, ah you know, the their little meeting with, you know, Draven and Monmouth and Bale get interrupted by a guy telling them that the U-Wing that left illegal, like Andor, is coming back hot.
01:30:14
Speaker
ah They're not really communicating, right? And but I think it was Bale who was like, is this Andor? And Draven's like, yeah, yeah. ah This is him.
01:30:25
Speaker
this is This is our guy. So I love this little moment real quick of them coming in. And again, K2 being K2, you know, they are being escorted by X-Wings.
01:30:38
Speaker
K2's like one of K2's like first lines is like, I'm going to tell them that it was K2. yeah
01:30:47
Speaker
It was so good. It was so good. And then him waving out the window too. and was such Ezra Bridger vibes. I loved it. like It was such an Ezra Bridger move.
01:31:00
Speaker
It was so good. But so they finally land and everybody on Yavin's like, you know, they have a whole like team ready to like, you know, because they don't know. They can't confirm.
01:31:11
Speaker
They believe, you know, Draven believes it's Andor. But they come in, like, kind of hot on them, and then, you know, he tells them that he has big news, and Klay is hurt, and he's a medic, and all that.
01:31:24
Speaker
And so, ah again, Dreven tells k two to, like, shut the plane down and shut himself down, right? And then K2's, though, K2's, like...
01:31:35
Speaker
Dreven asks anybody else was there because all they saw was Melshi and Andor and Clea and then K2 kind of bends over and just says hello. Like, I'm here too. I'm here too.
01:31:47
Speaker
Freaking K2, I love it. So now we get to this really great meeting of Cassian, Bale, Dreven, and then those two ah senators. Pamlo and Jebel, I think.
01:32:01
Speaker
Are the two. Yeah. Are from Rogue One too, so nice little callback. Yeah. right And the one that plays Pamlo is in Dune, right? She's ah ah Leet Kynes.
01:32:17
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. In the and first movie? Yeah. Right? She takes over. She's the judge of the change, right? she's in But she's also Fremen, right? Yeah.
01:32:29
Speaker
That was her. Yeah. Great actress. So he is explaining that Clea received this information. Well, he says Luth instead.
01:32:41
Speaker
Right. He says that Clea got him, you know, Clea and Luthan received information from their ISP plant that he's had for years. And that, you know, he tells them all the, you know, the Kyber, the Jetta, all this stuff.
01:32:56
Speaker
Yeah, the Gorman, the Gorman destruction, all of it. All of it, right. And again, the senators, not Mon Mothma. We're like, well, how is, you know, how do we know Luthan's really dead?
01:33:09
Speaker
And it's like, I love Andor's reaction. Like, are you serious out right now? Right. You know, and he's trying to explain to him how, you know, this information is, it's, in it's intelligence. Like this is actual intelligence they have. And these guys, and then the, the, the senators and even bail at the moment.
01:33:27
Speaker
Don't believe like, because of who Luthan was. Right. They don't, they can't fully believe what's going on. Right? Or they're having a hard time believe what he is, what Lutham found out is real.
01:33:45
Speaker
Right? And Andor, again, just like Will, gives it back to them. And I love it. Like, he was like, you know,
Trust Issues and Strategic Implications
01:33:57
Speaker
yeah, I knew the good and the bad of this guy.
01:34:00
Speaker
Right? Because kind of but one of Bale's contentions was like, you know he you know, he's basically hard to work with. His deceptions and all, you know, his web of lies were a lot.
01:34:12
Speaker
Which, Bale's not wrong in that. Right? But i again, but Andor just like, listen, you guys can basically kind of what Will was saying, like, you guys can run him down all you want, but you all wouldn't be here without him.
01:34:29
Speaker
right And the sacrifice that he did is you guys are given a fraction of that. right like You don't know. right And then Bale asked, when was the last time you talked to Luth? And he said a year ago.
01:34:43
Speaker
But I love them the the part of like when i but i was told to get mine out. yeah And then Bale even clocked it. He was like, duly noted.
01:34:55
Speaker
like Not your people. Yeah. Me. Right. It was me, right? And then even Mon Mothma, I think you could tell at a point, was like, guys, this is, you know, we're not going to do anything about this. Like, this is crazy.
01:35:11
Speaker
Right? And then, of course, they, what do they do? they They, you know, keep him on the ground. They kind of put him under house arrest. And, you know, they...
01:35:24
Speaker
Oh, Admiral Ackbar is here, too. I forgot to mention that. Ackbar is here, too. Raddus. Raddus. Sorry, Raddus. Thank you. Thank Raddus, Raddus, Raddus, Raddus. So you could tell Raddus was more interested in the actual intelligence than the other people, right?
01:35:40
Speaker
Yeah. you though And even Mon was, too, I think. So then, you know, one of the last, you know, he, again, they ground him and they don't, you know, he's not allowed on the ship anymore and everything, ah you know, through what bail, you know, through bail. And then he asks, know, and or ask, you know, permission, and which I love. I love how he's like, all right, well, permission then to go to the infirmary to, you know, basically check on Clea.
01:36:06
Speaker
I love my Mothma without a beat, without skipping a beat, she says, granted. Yep. Love it. So, Ange, talk to me about this scene. Anything else you pick up on or anything you want to, like, kind of focus on? Because this was a really good, like, this, this, these three episodes, I feel like were the most Star Wars-y. Does that make sense?
01:36:29
Speaker
Yeah, they were very worried. This like kept with the temperature of like what you're going to see in Rogue One later, like with this group. So it was like, man, I'm there. Like, I'm already there. Like, I can't believe we're connecting this close and we're we're doing this. We're really doing this. Like this is from this moment on was how I felt about this episode, because I was like, man, we're really just like button right up to it, aren't we?
01:36:55
Speaker
And that is what I thought was like super cool.
01:37:02
Speaker
But I love the connection, though, like you're saying, how, again, how close we are now, number one. Number two, I like how the thread, kind of like we talked about earlier, that thread of them doubting information because they can't personally verify it The thing that I found fascinating about this part, too, is but how like resistant Bale was.
01:37:29
Speaker
How reluctant he was. And like if you didn't know, plus who I was watching with had no idea who Bale Organa was, was like, what's that guy's problem? Was actually like the reaction of it.
01:37:42
Speaker
And it's like true. like What is his problem? But then if you think about... like I was thinking of like The Mask of Fear that was written by Alexander Freed. ah Like... His focus was that, like, his friends, these people that protected the the Republic for so long were annihilated. And he's, like, his sole focus was, like, trying to get that out.
01:38:06
Speaker
Not, like, actually... he was trying to, like, reconcile the past. He wasn't thinking about the future. So I think it was hard for him to get into that mindset of, like, I have to take this information and do something with it. Because he was so, like, obsessed with, like...
01:38:21
Speaker
writing the the the name of the Jedi and and and fixing all of that. So it's cool, like, later in this episode that you get to see that he, like, kind of comes through, right? And then, like, you also know, like, in Rogue One, like, he does as well, too, and, like, realizes, like,
01:38:38
Speaker
this is his path now to, to fix that, that um the, the way the Jedi was portrayed and to help Leia, like move on, like from this without her even knowing. Right.
01:38:50
Speaker
So it was just really interesting to see that, like his reluctancy, like in this part. Yeah. And I think it, like you're saying, I think it tracks to a lot, you know, like, because for one,
01:39:03
Speaker
he had only been on Yavin not as long as, as my mouth. Right. And she even made a point of that during the saw interaction. You know, she
Cassian's Leadership and Intelligence Significance
01:39:14
Speaker
said it to bail where like, yeah, this is, you know, the Senate was a lot easier, wasn't it?
01:39:18
Speaker
So like, I think him, you know, a getting used to maybe the temperature of like being on Yavin and what really is, you know, going on, not that he didn't before, but like,
01:39:32
Speaker
Being on site now, though, right? Like, I think that probably maybe changed his thought process of, like, information, how it how it should be dealt with and everything that.
01:39:45
Speaker
And then, like you're saying, too, thinking of, like, and you said it, I think you even said a last episode or last um last time we talked.
01:39:57
Speaker
His devotion to Leia, right? Like not wanting to like keep her safe. I think that plays a ton of, if in anything he does moving forward. Right. So like it, it was dry. I will agree though. It was kind of interesting to see him that way because we're so used to seeing a bail or Ghana that was kind of like,
01:40:23
Speaker
I'm here to help. I'm here to help. Yeah. Lockstepped with Mon Mothma and like, you know, not like more, you would think more receptive to, you know to information and everything.
01:40:37
Speaker
But again, given the situation and think given who maybe the information was coming from too, I think that plays a lot into it, right? Because it's, it came from Luthan and, know, Andor and, you know, Andor, you know, and Andor leaving, you know, without permission, all that. Like, I think it all plays.
01:40:56
Speaker
But it was fast. it It is kind of interesting to see Bale in that light. But I think it, worked like you're saying, but I think the payoff of it, when he does talk to Andor, which we'll get to, I think was really good.
01:41:09
Speaker
But, like, in this moment, yeah, I think it's fascinating how... he really did not, was was very non-receptive to what was going on, right? and it was it was It was very, very, very fascinating. So, love that, again, great speech by Andor, like, ah again, giving it to them about Luthien, and i just I just love everything about it. So, we move on to, like, him going to Clea and, like, basically saying, like, listen, I know this isn't, like, the hero's welcome I i told you you would get,
01:41:45
Speaker
But like, it's a lot of information for them to take. And he's not wrong in that, right? Like, to learn that, you know, it was all kind of you know, BS and they've been building some type of super weapon that he, again, Anner didn't know what the super weapon was because that's what even Raddus asked him pray during that meeting.
01:42:11
Speaker
But to, like, He was right. And like when he tells Clay, it was a lot to take in for them because it is like there's a super weapon. There's this and that. And like.
01:42:23
Speaker
And I mean, technically, like Cassian doesn't even know that yet. He doesn't know until he gets on where where he goes. like I honestly like where I was like, man, we're going to Khafrene. Like we're we're going there.
01:42:36
Speaker
This guy's name is Tivik. I've never known this dude's name in my life. I never knew who that guy that screams out, it's a planet killer. me neither. I didn't know his name was Tivik, and now I know.
01:42:49
Speaker
Like, that this is like, where I was, like, geeking out. I was like, I can't believe we're getting this close. It's crazy. Like, very close, right? so Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, you kind of like you said, you understand...
01:43:04
Speaker
I don't want to defend the the little council people because, again, those two senators I am not a fan of. But you understand that, again, they can't just jump on just hearsay of whatever, right? They need viable intelligence.
01:43:22
Speaker
But again, to Cassian's point, and Mon Mothma even said it, like, this is intelligence. We can't just sit on it, right? So... He tells Clay all that, and then we move to Mom Mothma and talking to Val, right?
01:43:40
Speaker
Really quick scene of them together, and basically... My Mothma tells Val that Luthan's dead. And that Cassian, you know, was back, you know, came back and everything. and And she tells, she tells Val that he's, you know, he's grounded, right? Can't fly or anything.
01:43:58
Speaker
That he's basically in trouble. I love Val's, Val's response is like, well, he shouldn't, he should stop, you know, saving people. Like, like it's a bad thing or whatever. Like it's just, it was a fascinating, I think, remark by Val.
01:44:13
Speaker
But Mom Mothma basically wants Val to talk to Cass because she wants, again, even in Mom Mothma's mind, like she wants to believe what he's saying is true. Right? And the only person that could maybe verify that is Val because of her connection with Luthen.
01:44:32
Speaker
Right? I mean, the two people that were really, if you think about outside of Clea, the two people maybe like next closest to Luthen were probably Val and Cass.
01:44:43
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, especially Val. She was running missions for Luthien well before Cassian. Well before Cassian was.
01:44:52
Speaker
Yeah, so I think I like that Mothma, again, wants to believe Cassian. Especially, again, knowing that he he saved her life.
01:45:04
Speaker
Right? Like, that can't go un unnoticed. And, you know, I... I love that she was like, yeah, help me believe him.
01:45:15
Speaker
Right. It's what she tells Val. So Val goes to Cassian and they have a conversation. Right. They do this little kind of like toast.
01:45:27
Speaker
Right. They toast to Luthan, but then they toast to everybody they lost. Nimic. So good. They name all the names. Sinta. Sinta. And I love Val's like, you know, Farrick's your mother.
01:45:39
Speaker
Yeah. I love that. And then, you know, to the Eldonis and all that stuff. so And then she asked, you know, I like how Val wasn't like, because her initial reaction to Mon was like, you want me to spy on him, right? And then that's when she was like, no, I want you to, you know help me believe him.
01:45:55
Speaker
I like how Val wasn't like, you know, wasn't trying to be like a spy or, you know, trying to like hide what her intentions were to Cassie. And she's like, Mon Mothma sent me here. She wants me to believe believe you.
01:46:08
Speaker
Yeah. And, you know, he starts saying kind of what, you know, he was telling the council, like, listen, you and I both know, right? Like him and Val both know how crap Luthan was, right? How much of a kind of ah an asshole he could, he could be at times. Right.
01:46:26
Speaker
But I like Cassian's like, ba you know, explanation of like, it doesn't make him wrong. doesn't make what clay is saying is not reliable right right and through all the trials and tribulations that they both have had with luthan right they knew how serious he is about the rebellion and they both know how like none of what you was on yavin would exist right so then val's like all right tell so tell me exactly what clay has said right and he obviously tells her and whatnot and then i believe we get a scene real quick of dreven being told that tivik keeps calling but only wants to talk to andor right right so um val and then we go back to kind of we go back to val and andor and she's leaving and she mentions bix right like
01:47:21
Speaker
hey, you know should probably check in on her and you know all that stuff. and you know Cass was like, yeah, well, maybe. Maybe when this is all done, right like maybe I will, but right now you know she would not be safe with me.
01:47:38
Speaker
Right. and you know Val's like, well, don't wait too long. and Of course, as Rogue One fans, you were like, you son of bitch, please.
01:47:49
Speaker
Please reach out to her. Please. Say something before you head to Kaphrin. Please say something. So again, just these little, those little seeds, right? Of like, just beautiful, like, rogue, like, storytelling going into Rogue One and all that stuff, right?
01:48:09
Speaker
So then Melchie and K2 come back and ah they were told that they were free. Right. And that, you know, Dreven walked, you know, took them back, walked them back and that he wants to talk to Andor. So then he tells Cassie and he's like, listen, Tivik only wants to talk to you.
01:48:30
Speaker
And now all of a sudden, you know, from, you know, what they know about Saw, right, there's Star Destroyers over Jedha. There's this and that. like All of this is happening. you know ah Luthan wanting us to know.
01:48:42
Speaker
The math is mathing. In Dreven's mind, the fight it's all finally coming together, right? So, you know, he tells Cassian that he's probably going send him to Kephreen, right?
01:48:57
Speaker
That's kind of the idea. so We finally see Dreven and Mothma together going to Bale and Bale's like, you have news? And they're like, hear us out.
01:49:09
Speaker
So that's when I think finally, right, for Bale in that moment, and when that during that conversation, he must have light switch cams on, right? Right. and everything Because the next scene, well, the next scene is Cassian and him talking, but before that we get that little sequence of him thinking of his sister, right? Which is, again...
01:49:30
Speaker
very sad and you know that he never would be able to confirm or find her if she is still alive right like but he's always thinking about her right but I love this little moment of K2 when he wakes him up he's like waking up humans confuses me
01:49:55
Speaker
he's such a good droid I love it But then there's this great conversation between Baal and Andor, right? So, and I want to hear from you first with this, these two.
01:50:07
Speaker
again, it's a small scene, but I think there's really, it's, it's kind of powerful in the way that they kind of finally see eye to eye. Right.
01:50:18
Speaker
So kind what were your thoughts about when they finally talk about, you know, his final orders, right.
Rebellion's Strategic Conversations
01:50:24
Speaker
And all that. So talk to me about, about those two, this, this little scene between bail and cast, because again, first of all Benjamin Bratt,
01:50:34
Speaker
fair good Very good. If he is, again, if for whatever reason our boy Jimmy Schmitz can't be bail or gonna for whatever reason scheduling Benjamin Bratt, you are welcome to the party as Bail Arcana because he did a fantastic job, I think, as Bail. But again, kind of talk to me about their scene a little bit, Ange, kind of your thoughts and feelings, because I think it was interesting. I think it was it was it was telling.
01:51:05
Speaker
And i think it was just a really good scene between these two characters. What you got? Yeah, I think it was like that moment where you where Bale kind of puts all of his reservations aside. And like it's kind of like that that greater good like decision that you have to make.
01:51:24
Speaker
um And I think like you see that both for like him and Cassian. So I'm glad like we came to that part because, you know. That's how we know Bale, right? We need him to get to that moment where he is like that integral part of put pushing things forward to get us to ah the you know, he is like, he's one of the rebellion leaders. He's not just the senator that showed up, you know, in the in the final days of of Yavin and was like, he he's had a stake in this like this entire time. And it's good that he finally comes to that realization of like,
01:52:02
Speaker
what needs to happen, like, going forward.
01:52:06
Speaker
Yeah, I really, again, I like he, you know, he tells Cassian that basically, listen, these are your orders. Go get the intelligence and then come back and we'll, we'll look let's figure this all out, right?
01:52:20
Speaker
I just like, even Cassian's, like, initial reservations, right, of, like, well, what changed? You know, why why all of a sudden are you okay with with the intel, the initial intel, and why do you want it further?
01:52:36
Speaker
And again, Bale's response of, you know, if I'm going down, I'm going down swinging. And even, I love Cassian's reaction of like, kind of like, being amused by it, and then even Bale clocks that, and is like, you know, you're amused by that? He's like,
01:52:56
Speaker
I don't think you realize how basically how similar you and Luthan really are. Right. Because Luthan was the same way. If he's going down, he's going down swinging, which he did, as we know.
01:53:08
Speaker
Right. So now we get a whole montage of him putting on his Rogue One suit, his his outfit. It was so cool. Him walking and then now we're getting flashes of like where everybody is, right?
01:53:23
Speaker
We get a flash of... of ah Oh, well, before that, I want to back up.
01:53:31
Speaker
Val finds Clea. i want to go I want to talk about this. It connects to Partagast, too. So before we get to the and Cassian you know cassian monta and montage, Clea finds Val. They have a ah kind of walking in the rain by herself, and Val kind of helps her and brings her back to like where she is and um They have a really quick conversation about, you know, Luthan dying and, you know, Clea's, her response of like, it had to be done.
01:54:02
Speaker
and I love Val's like, aren't you, aren't you tired of that? Like, aren't you tired of just saying it had to be done because, you know, but then the real, I think the realization for Clea that she's kind of free now, right? Like,
01:54:17
Speaker
whatever of her I like that that what she says to Val, though, of like, you know, Luthan always told me to find a way out before you get in. And now she doesn't even know where she is, so she doesn't even really have a way out. And, you know, Val basically telling her that she's among friends now.
01:54:34
Speaker
Right, so then you get, um during that kind of whole process, though, like she's leaving the the medical thing, you hear Nemec's manifesto playing.
01:54:47
Speaker
And then we flash to part of gas is like listening to it, which is so cool. So cool. I love that. I love that. I never would have even thought that they had that.
01:54:58
Speaker
Right. But for them to have it and to hear it. Was such so good. Talk to me about this part that scene because it was interesting.
01:55:10
Speaker
His response, like when the guy walks in his buddy and all that. So talk to me about that. Let's go through that scene. I mean, it it all goes back to like, even like Cassie and saying, you think they like when they're in Narkina and he was like, you think that they care? You think they're listening?
01:55:26
Speaker
Like they're not like, they think that they're so unstoppable that they have no idea. And to watch Pardigast listen to Nemec's manifesto and to know that what Nemec was saying was so, like, so perceptive on what...
01:55:48
Speaker
The Empire was, what they stood for, what their weaknesses were, and what you were capable of doing to defeat them. And, like, him hearing it and, like, really, like, hearing it.
01:56:01
Speaker
That, it was such a good touch, right? To hear, like, the Mask of Fear. All that stuff. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. So, yeah, that part was awesome. And then, you know, and then we get into, like, progress.
01:56:14
Speaker
Like, he's got to go. He's got to go talk to the Emperor, probably Vader. I'm a little bummed we didn't get to see. Like, I'm a little bummed, like, that that wasn't a thing. But the ending of progress is so appropriate. Right. Just complete coward. Right. Like, I can't even face what is coming down the line for me because,
01:56:37
Speaker
we've already lost is what I think is what his thought process was in that moment. So, um, so good. And I like how his buddy knew, right?
01:56:49
Speaker
Yeah. Like just hang on. Yeah. Just, yeah. I love a little, there was just that little movement of the storm troopers. Like just like after they hear the noise of what part of us does, uh, you know, he was and like, you're saying he put his hands up like, I just, it's all right.
01:57:06
Speaker
But yeah, that moment of of of realization of part of gas, like hearing those words of Nemec saying like tyranny is, is i can't remember the exact words, but basically like it's it's it's weak. it's It's crumbling, right? It's going to leak.
01:57:22
Speaker
Yeah. it It's going to have, you know, every little inch that we give grows bigger, right? It's going to harder for them. And then right, even like you're saying, for part of gas to really realize like,
01:57:36
Speaker
we like We really don't we'd really don't have a chance. like Knowing that the rebellion is already out there, right And to know that it's like it's probably bigger than they realize.
01:57:50
Speaker
yeah When we thought we had full control, it was growing. And they never had control, right? yeah like And that's kind of what Nemec was saying in that in the section in the little section he was listening to. like They really don't have control. Like you're saying, it leaks, it does this and that. like yeah i mean It was so good. and yeah Part of Gus goes out like a coward, as you said, Ange. It's just...
01:58:15
Speaker
He didn't want to face the whatever he was going to face, whether it be the Emperor or Vader or whoever. right like He was like, nope, I am not facing that and I'm out.
01:58:27
Speaker
so
Character Development and Rogue One Setup
01:58:29
Speaker
Oh, Partagas. What a character, though. Again, great character, great acting. like just One of my favorites. I love me a good Imperial officer. Yeah, yeah.
01:58:41
Speaker
I mean, they're good. Yeah. They're the reason why they, they are, they're good. They're really good at what they do. So then, so we get, obviously we, jumping a little jumping back to like Cassian and getting his final mission, right? Going to Khafrein, talking to Tivik.
01:58:58
Speaker
And now we see him in his Rogue One outfit, right? Walking towards the plane. and Now we start seeing flashes of where people are, right? So we see Val and Mamathma sitting and eating. We see Clea at Val's kind of just looking out and I think realizing that she's going to be okay. Right. Like realizing that she is where she is supposed to be. Right.
01:59:26
Speaker
So now we have kind confirmation that Val at this time is alive. Uh, Clea is alive. Give me more stories of them, whether books or something. I need it.
01:59:37
Speaker
Right. I want more. Then we get a real quick parent flash. Bro, dude was hooked up with what's-his-name's wife. Right, with his in-law.
01:59:49
Speaker
Legit. What a loser, bro. Bro, did you hear about the extra scene? Yeah. with that up I would have been fascinated if that would went down.
02:00:01
Speaker
So there's what what has come out, like saying in articles stuff, of that there was a, I don't know if they shot it, but an idea of a scene. Was that Perrin would find out.
02:00:15
Speaker
Right. And him and Ma would have a conversation. Or he had known. Right. So but like in in this scene basically Perrin would have been talking to Ma and told him told her that like he knew like basically like he knew what she was doing and that he kind of like would have been with her like kind of supported her if she would have like Talk to him about it.
02:00:40
Speaker
that Like that's kind of the vibes I got. Is that what you kind of got from? Yeah. What was being said, right? Like, yeah. Would you have wanted that scene? No, no, no. yeah But like you would have wanted it.
02:00:54
Speaker
I think it's very conflicting. Right. I think like. with that Right, with what we see it the in the show, right? Yeah. I think, like... He's character, too. But, yeah, go ahead. what he would leave If he knew and he was keeping it a secret, like, how did he know, right? Was it intuition?
02:01:10
Speaker
did he have, like information from Davos Galding, like, did he get information from Taekwomo? Like, where's... How did he... Well, we probably would have figured that out. Right, we probably would have figured that out. But if he did know, that meant more people knew, which I don't like the idea of that.
02:01:26
Speaker
Right? If he knew more people knew, i don't like the idea of that. I like it that it was... tight-lipped up until the moment to where we get to, get you know, Yavin.
02:01:37
Speaker
So I like the idea more of like Mon disappears, he falls back into his regular ways, and he's that now hooked up with, like you said, his in-laws. Which is gross. Crazy.
02:01:50
Speaker
but It is more fitting of the character that they set That we knew, yeah. hundred percent 100%. I just would have been fascinated for that scene. How it would have played out, right? Like you're saying.
02:02:03
Speaker
How he would have found, like, when did he know? How did he know? did he really Did he kind of, like, be without Ma knowing, like, keep her safe from...
02:02:15
Speaker
Like other people know. like i Like you're saying. It would have been fascinating. But it didn't. I agree. It didn't wouldn't have lined up. With what we knew of him. In the show.
02:02:28
Speaker
Right. So again. Him in in Man's car. I'm pretty sure. oh yeah. probably Oh no that guy died. never yeah the Yeah Clovis. A real one. ah real But ah him, right, with his in-law, the the wife of the dude, his daughter's married. like Yeah, damn, oh, yeah.
02:02:53
Speaker
Like, what? And him just like, eh, it's just another Tuesday, apparently. like Really, parent? Like, you are. Long's day, bro. Right. Am I right? Like, is going on?
02:03:08
Speaker
But it's so fitting, like you're saying, though. It's fitting for his character. It's fitting that that's where we see him last. Him not changing. Him going back to his gambling in like whatever ways.
02:03:22
Speaker
And he's a representation of Coruscant. High-end Coruscant. He's a representation of that. right Not caring. Not caring. I'm going to continue with my life. I'm going to... yeah All of that.
02:03:38
Speaker
I loved it. Right. I think his ending fit perfectly. So then we go to ah we get a real quick shot of Krennic, which is great. We see the Death Star, but not the satellite dish yet. But we know in Rogue One. It's coming.
02:03:56
Speaker
That's what we see. The final touch on it. Right. So that's cool. Then we get Deidre. Bro. He. I did not see this coming. I didn't either. did not see this coming. Go ahead. Give me your thoughts. She's in a women's correctional facility that looks like Narkeena 5.
02:04:17
Speaker
Talk about like a like poetic ending. you know She probably didn't even know places like that existed. That's what I love about it. She didn't even know something like that existed. And here she was.
02:04:31
Speaker
And here she will be. All right. mother Yeah. Yeah. And it's crazy to think about how she is building what she was like.
02:04:43
Speaker
Helping to create. Yeah. he's Now a part of building probably the second Death Star. Right. Right. Like, and just that real quick, like scene. So they show her like sitting there and then they, and then the, and then they show her like the lights go out and she's just sobbing.
02:05:02
Speaker
Like, well, Deidre, you did it to yourself. I don't feel bad for you at all. No empathy for me. And good luck with all that.
02:05:13
Speaker
Right? Because you think, like, and I kind of think, I wonder if, like, after to after they defeat the the Empire, right? Because blowing up the Death Star, right, it didn't really, I mean, it it was a battle that they won.
02:05:32
Speaker
It was a battle that they won, but the Emperor was still around. Right. So it didn't completely take down the Empire just yet. I wonder how long she lasted there.
02:05:44
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Like, I just, i'm I don't know why. Not that I care. Like, I just be, I wonder if at some point did, once the Empire, once the Emperor did fall, right?
02:05:55
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For that short amount of time, because again, he comes back. Another story. But... Do we, and I actually, again, I love Rise Skywalker. Stop it. Anyway, I digress.
02:06:09
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Stop it. I wonder if she ever got out or if that was like she died. I think she railed it, right? She stepped off the edge. Maybe. the middle of the night. Maybe.
02:06:23
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Maybe. Maybe she couldn't take it after a certain time. You never know. yeah ever know Maybe she ruled it that night. You don't know. i It's just for her to be such a imperialist In the way of like she believed it. Right. She grew up in it.
02:06:41
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But she wasn't. Right. They made that point towards the end. She was selfish. She wasn't about the entirety of like what they were trying to do. She she was looking out for herself but in so many instances throughout her that entire career. So she was forced to. But right.
02:06:59
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It was just like it was just like Krennic said, she probably could have been a rebel. Right. Right? Right, right, right. But it's just for her to, like again, be like to grow up an orphan and like be in this imperial machine basically from the start.
02:07:17
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And she ends up in jail for, like you're saying, being selfish to the thing that she had grown up to be, like to become.
02:07:29
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It's such a it's the perfect end to her character, I think. Right? Because I don't know... i don't know really any other better way of her character to kind of like end on.
02:07:43
Speaker
Right? I mean, honestly... what did you Did you feel that like, were you as surprised or were you like, no, this makes sense? i was I wasn't like, I was just like, again, another thing that I didn't think I needed that I got a visual of and I was like, that's perfect.
02:08:00
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Holy crap. That's where she belongs. Right. She had no idea those types of things existed. And now here she is like doing manual labor and having to like be a part of this machine that she's how She helped create. Yeah.
02:08:17
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So I wasn't like, yeah, I, I didn't need to know like us seeing her in that air interrogation room. If that was the last time I ever saw her Cool.
02:08:28
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But now knowing that she ended up in our keen of five type place, even better. Like even better, even better, even better. So then, you know, we get Cassian going up to the ship and he sees the force healer. Yeah.
02:08:42
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Right. And I just love their little. He he gives her a little nod. Right. And you see her look and it's like she knows what's what's happening. Oh, yeah. He gets it.
02:08:55
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He knows what he is. He knows what he is. And then she she i think for me, she knows what is about to maybe not knowing exactly, but she knows his destiny is kind of.
02:09:09
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going to be fulfilled now like she just i feel like in that moment she she knows right so then we see you know uh k2 and him take off to kafreen the ring of kafreen and we know that's where he goes in rogue one dang and you think that's it kids oh my god au contraire mon faire ah Then we get to see B2 living his life yes as a good droid.
02:09:38
Speaker
I'm happy for B2. Me too. So they are back on where the we see the wheat planet. Where Brasso and Will and Bix were, right?
02:09:51
Speaker
So we see Bix in the distance and then we see her so she goes back to that planet, right? And her back's turned and she's walking through the wheat field. And at that moment, Ange, did you know what was going to happen?
02:10:05
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I saw a spoiler. So, yes. so Okay. Because I watched it two days later. So, I did. You know, I was on, like, social media. And I was like, I have to stop being on social media because I kept seeing, like, random things. And I was like, I'm going to get spoiled. And I was like, but then, like, you know how instinctually you just, like, click on an app on your phone? And you're like, holy crap. And all of a sudden, I'm on Instagram again.
02:10:28
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And, i like, i I saw an image. And I was like, oh, my God. I was right.
02:10:38
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You were in the writer's room. Didn't even tell me. So yeah, Bix was, Bix had a baby. Bix had a baby. You have a little Cassian, a little, well, a little, a little, a little Poe Dameron.
02:10:50
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A little part Cass in the, uh, in the you know In the end. And he doesn't even know. That is the heartbreaking part of it all.
02:11:02
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I know. right that You see her kind of looking out and like knowing obviously we know as viewers that's Cassian's child.
02:11:14
Speaker
Right? And knowing that he will never know that is in freaking Satan. like but maybe he did maybe val told him off camera maybe maybe but i feel like val made it a point like at the very end before she leaves she says
Rebellion's Legacy and Emotional Impact
02:11:37
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you know don't wait yeah i i wonder if val knew but didn't obviously tell him because that's not her place obviously Yeah. He didn't know.
02:11:47
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Right. She didn't tell him. but No, no, no, no. It's crazy. Do you think that was one of the reasons why Bix left? Do you think she knew she was pregnant back then?
02:11:58
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not? Maybe a bit of both. Maybe a bit of both. Yeah. Yeah. Like knowing that, especially if Cassian knew she was pregnant, they would, they would have, he would have left immediately. He would have left immediately. he would have tried to find her.
02:12:14
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Yeah. he He's leaving Yavin. Yeah. 100% and never coming back. Yeah. So she probably did know then. Yes. Yeah. I mean, i kind of called it. So yeah. you did when When I was in the writer's room and we were trying to decide what was going to be the last scene of Bix.
02:12:30
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Exactly. exactly we're like i said, hey, what if...
02:12:37
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See, kids, and I get accused of being in this right in the room. This one calls it out. No, but this, I think it's the perfect ending for Bix. I really do. like I wouldn't call it perfect, f bro. That's heartbreaking. Well, no, right. Not, I mean, as far as knowing that she lives, I think for me,
02:13:00
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I'm glad. Oh, yeah, me too. I'm glad they didn't like, you know, she tragically dies or whatever, right? She lives and she has a part of Cassian with her always.
02:13:13
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Like that's to me again. Yeah. Would have been better if it was all three of them. Yeah. And I assume that when Cassian dies on Scarif, that information gets passed on to her, you know, so she's not like living this life waiting for Cassian to come back. i I feel like there was.
02:13:31
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I would think Val maybe. Right. yes Someone told her. Yeah. We know Val and Bix. Well, we don't really know Val and Bix have been communicating, but Val knows that she's alive through whatever ways.
02:13:45
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So somehow, some way, that information, like you're saying, that would have got back to Bix. But to know that there's a mini Kaz, mini, you know, and or child out there.
02:13:59
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It's so like, it's so heartbreaking because then you look, you watch Rogue One. And again, though, like you said, if he would have known that, that nothing happens.
02:14:12
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Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. That is not Cassian going on that mission. And it doesn't get completed, in my opinion. I mean, obviously, Jin was a big part of that, too. But he's ah a big part of why they were where they were, because of the intel.
02:14:29
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Right? So, yeah, I... Again, or that scene its it's one of those happy, sad endings. The scene of Cassian walking through and then you see like Melshi and those guys all like running and training. And you know that that is the crew that is going to agree to go with Jen on the script.
02:14:51
Speaker
That part was so good. i was like, oh my God.
02:14:58
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It was insane. Like how they pulled that off was amazing. I love like, oh my God. i love the montage of it all. Right. Like it was perfectly done. again, I, I feel like they stuck the landing. This is probably one of the best star Wars.
02:15:15
Speaker
Yes. For me. Landing was stuck completely. Right. After when I was talking about it later, like, um was there like anything like I missed out on or felt like I didn't get?
02:15:29
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Like there was a part of me, honestly, as as a Darth Vader fan, as an Emperor fan, that we were going to get a sophisticated part of them, you know, are it Like instead of Krennic doing it right it what or like part of grass like going down to like speak to the I thought we were gonna get it right.
02:15:51
Speaker
I thought we were like so close to having it we have Darth Vader in Rogue One I thought we we were gonna get it we didn't. I don't think that takes away from the show at all that we didn't get it. It is just one thing that was on my wishlist that I didn't get, but I don't need, I did. It's not needed.
02:16:07
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but Like I'm not upset that I didn't get it. It's just one thing that was on my wishlist that didn't happen. And that's it. But other than that, it was at an even, even though I didn't get it, it was still perfection.
02:16:21
Speaker
I agree. I agree. it I would have enjoyed An emperor? Maybe. i mean, I know we got mentions of him. But maybe a quick hologram scene or something. I wouldn't mind that.
02:16:36
Speaker
I'm with you on that. The Vader stuff I'm okay with. Only because... think Alex and Molly... Again, shout out. They do such great such's great work on Star Wars Explained.
02:16:49
Speaker
He did a recent video about... why Vader wasn't there. Right. And he did he'd again, watch it. He does a fantastic job. So it does like how Alex lays it out. It does make sense why Vader wasn't there because a lot of is connected to rebels.
02:17:07
Speaker
Right. Because he was heavily involved in that. Right. Right. So it makes sense. But I see what you're saying. like Again, i know as a Vader fan, yeah, it would have been maybe cool to even get a mention, right? Not even like yeah something. I could see that. I could see.
02:17:27
Speaker
but i like your But I totally agree it doesn't take away from what they did as a whole. like This show is really good television. like Again, we talked about that last time.
02:17:40
Speaker
It's not just good Star Wars. It's good television. Unbelievable. Compelling television. It was fantastic. Right? Will we get anything close to this?
02:17:54
Speaker
i don't think so. yeah No. I'm not saying that's a good thing or bad thing. I'm just being realistic with myself. We're probably never going to get that high a quality of Star Wars again.
02:18:09
Speaker
And I think it's because the dynamic, the, like, the... a setting that was created by George, right? That setting right there of the up-and-coming building of the Empire, the up-and-coming secret building of the Rebellion, like, that, like, you you take that setting And like, and then you just add like unbelievably art, like unbelievable artistry to it. Like, I don't think you can get any better.
02:18:42
Speaker
Like, no, I don't think telling like the story of the prime Jedi or talking about the old Republic or going into more Mandalorian lore or, um, watching a new Jedi empire or, uh,
02:18:59
Speaker
Jedi Academy create I just I don't see it but there are people out there that are absolute geniuses right and and artists that can can paint a beautiful picture but I agree with you i would be shocked if we ever get this caliber of Star Wars ever again again it's not and I'm not that's not a knock on what we have gotten prior to this right no because my opinion No.
02:19:30
Speaker
I mean, because I love the Mandalorian. I love the Acolyte. I love Rebels. I still think it's the greatest Star Wars storytelling of all time. But this is just... It is a complete package.
02:19:45
Speaker
And it it brought it outside of what we know so Star Wars to be as well. I think what... one of the better advantages of the story is that it's it doesn't rely on Jedi Sith stuff it doesn't rely on the lore of that stuff where I think that like that storytelling is more I think held held more like tightly because I think it's way more connected to George
02:20:22
Speaker
Right? Like the Jedi, the Sith, the lore of all the four. Like that stuff, I feel like it's very held close to certain, like Filoni. Like Filoni would be able to touch those type of stories.
02:20:36
Speaker
And he does. These type of stories, I think they may, they, I believe, they as in like Lucasfilm, I think are more willing to give people like Tony Gilroy room to tell, tell a story like that.
02:20:55
Speaker
Right. Because again, it's not so reliant on that type of stuff where it's more reliant on, okay, you have these little bits and pieces of information.
02:21:06
Speaker
Tell the story of how that became right. I mean, literally rogue one, right. was based off of like... A disc. Right. And we got a whole freaking movie of it. Now we got a whole series of the of one of the main reasons why that disc gets to Leia.
02:21:23
Speaker
So, yeah, I don't... And maybe the reason why we won't, in my opinion, we won't get anything close to this is because and don't think there's another story at this time to tell with this type of depth, this type of storytelling. that make sense?
02:21:43
Speaker
like Yeah, absolutely. like There's nothing there yet. Yeah. So... Yeah, I don't, again, I hope we do see it eventually because we maybe we will, right? Because I think there are opportunities for this type of storytelling like you like between, I'd say, Return of the Jedi and ah rises in The Force Awakens.
02:22:13
Speaker
Because there is that where the, you know, First Order comes about. And like, you could really tell a story of like, the Senate and all that stuff, like really deep things.
02:22:24
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the Bloodline. Right. Like you could really like, there's some parts where you could do something in it. Will they do it? I don't know. Maybe, maybe not, but there are maybe opportunities. Right.
02:22:38
Speaker
But yeah, I just, I don't know if we'll get anything close to this, uh, story type of storytelling. Again, in this fashion, and don't know if we'll get it anytime soon, but I hope that we will. Because I think, and I believe, with this being received as well as it is,
02:23:03
Speaker
i think hopefully Lucasfilm sees where they can maybe push the envelope with this type storytelling. So now, again, and so with, you know, with your girlfriend seeing it for the first time, not as a big Star Wars fan, give me the vibe of, like, again, did it hit?
02:23:24
Speaker
Did it, like, connect with somebody that's maybe not, again, not as tuned as Star Wars? Because now they have seen all of it, right? Season one, season two. Like, kind of give me, like, where, again, as a non-nerd like us, how did they kind of react to the series yeah so an absolute non-nerd like absolute uh but also a avid tv show watcher right so someone like yeah television watcher you know house dragon game of thrones um everything so um
02:24:05
Speaker
it was It was a ah compelling story, you know, and it was told well to you didn't – she didn't lose, like, her attention to anything that was going on.
02:24:17
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She didn't feel lost either. But then again, there's me, like, sitting there and being like, oh, hey, by the way, this guy. i mean, that's fair. Oh, hey, by the way.
02:24:29
Speaker
Let me push up my nerd glasses. That's just adding information. but Yeah, that's just adding information, right? Yeah, yeah. And then I was like, man, we got to watch Rogue One. And so she's like, OK.
02:24:41
Speaker
So I think ah maybe a day later we watched Rogue One. And as we're watching it, she's like, oh man, I love Jin. She's like so cool. Like this, she's such a good character. i'm like, m bless her soul.
02:24:54
Speaker
um And then I was like, oh, and the you know, cheer it comes out and I was like, oh, cheer. It's like my favorite character trying to like explain like the guardians of the wills, you know, just throwing little stuff out and like stuff is just like going, going, going, going.
02:25:10
Speaker
Right. And then we're getting to then she's like, it's Cassie and die. And I was like, let's just keep watching it's fine she was like are they gonna make it right and then like well I think when Bodhi dies right and the ship you know you can't get to the ship anymore and I think that's like when it really started to sink in I think she thought like they were still gonna get off of Scarif and um the movie ended and she was like you just made me watch two seasons and a movie full of characters that I absolutely fell in love with
02:25:44
Speaker
She goes, and they all die. And, like, even, like, when K2 died, that was, like, I think that was the first one that, like, hit really hard. Like, all oh, no. Like, he doesn't even make it. So, um yeah, it was it was kind of funny just because from the get-go, like, i I knew that that was going to be, like,
02:26:06
Speaker
the fun part of watching it with someone that's never seen it before and even like we were talking about it at work i was like oh i i i have my girlfriend watching ah and or and they're like oh does she like star wars i go no and she's never watched rogue one and everyone's like oh that's crazy and i was like yeah i know i can't wait It's those I can't wait, but I know it's going to hurt real bad. can't wait. about hurt somebody really bad, but it's going to be so amusing to watch. But it's right. But it's just that it was an experiment, like honestly. yeah Right.
02:26:40
Speaker
And um yeah, yeah. And I would and that it that it's just cool to like you can put somebody in that place because trying to get someone to watch Star Wars is difficult. Right. It it really is to like even especially to get someone into 1977 Star Wars is very, very, very, very very very familiar with difficult. It is hard.
02:27:05
Speaker
Right. Sometimes you have to gauge like generationally where they are. Like sometimes you like need to start like in the prequels or sometimes you need to start like in the sequels. Like it is hard to get someone into Star Wars that just is not into it.
02:27:19
Speaker
So um this is like this is a gateway drug and or in Rogue One is a gateway drug into Star Wars. Absolutely. And um to see someone's experience going through that was was pretty awesome.
02:27:35
Speaker
Yeah, i i I would be, I'd love to hear that it connected. Because I think that would, oh that's always, I think, you and I have maybe talked about this before.
02:27:48
Speaker
I feel like there's always a fear of it not connecting with. um Yeah. Not Star Wars fans. Right. Yeah. but think Do we just like it because we're so ner if we're so into it?
02:28:01
Speaker
Is it only good if you're so into it? And this, no, you do not have to be. It is compelling storytelling. It's great. And again, that is one of its strengths, is that it doesn't rely on knowing maybe information prior to.
02:28:20
Speaker
Like you can inform, like you said, you informed. But it wasn't like you didn't have to know that to for it to be good television. Like I had to explain to her that Tarkin was a real actor in Rogue One. yeah
02:28:35
Speaker
That's fair. That's fair. But again, it's it's but it's again i that that's a good sign That A, the show did its job. Yeah.
02:28:51
Speaker
And B, that it can connect people into Star Wars in in a in a way that maybe they want to see other stuff now, right? And we've talked about that a bunch of times, right? Like, how people get into Star Wars, right? It's fascinating, right? Like, some people started when you know when it came out in 77, right?
02:29:12
Speaker
Some people got into it when the prequels... sequel trilogy some people are clone wars clone wars so like there's so many avenues and i think again that's a big i think thing that star wars does well is that there's avenues for you to get in and to enjoy right like mandalorian there's different entry points easily Easily.
02:29:40
Speaker
Right. And that's good. And this is just one, I think this one in particular though, it really does lead into like you're saying, in and or to Rogue One to New Hope.
02:29:53
Speaker
Right. And it kind of then connection to four, five, six. Right. And then you can watch, you know, maybe the prequels or whatever, however you want to. Right. But it gets you into that entryway.
02:30:08
Speaker
And it, For that that, again, that gives me hope that, okay, it can be done. Like, we know it can be done, but it's difficult to do, though, like you said.
02:30:19
Speaker
Like, I think that's where maybe other shows struggled. Mando, not so much, because that was, again, it's more of an open idea, open concept, if that makes sense, where, like,
02:30:35
Speaker
You have a character set in Star Wars that looks cool, but like you don't he's he's not known, right? You can you could do stuff with that. But shows, I think, like Ahsoka or Obi-Wan, that may, again, do it for us, good stuff.
02:30:56
Speaker
But you gotta have a background. It do need a little background for those to to have the show hit as I think it Should. Does that make sense?
02:31:07
Speaker
Oh, yeah, absolutely. But Acolyte, that's an entry point. That goes nowhere, unfortunately, to be honest. Unless you say, like, oh, I like Jedi. Okay, well, if you like Jedi, well, then let's do this. But it unfortunately, Acolyte doesn't have a thread for new audience members. For now.
02:31:31
Speaker
Right. we But I will say this. Then we watched A New Hope. and And while Obi-Wan was telling the story to Anakin, or I mean to Luke, when he says, what happened to my father? And he says, you know, ah a young Jedi named Darth Vader.
02:31:47
Speaker
And ah she goes, he doesn't know his dad is Darth Vader? And I was like, no, he doesn't know that. Like, I go, to be fair, George Lucas didn't even know that at this point. Like,
02:32:00
Speaker
Again, even the dude that wrote it, no idea where he was going with it. After they made the first movie, I think he was just happy that they got it out.
02:32:11
Speaker
Yeah. Let's be real about that real quick. Oh, when does Luke find out that Leia is his sister? I was like, little too late. A little too late. About that scene and if our chick's back.
02:32:23
Speaker
Yeah. You're gonna wanna just not question it so much. A little too late. And just know that George had no idea where he was going just yet. that's It's almost a part of Star Wars, though. We've talked about that, where, like, you do something, and then you get the backstory of it.
02:32:43
Speaker
Yeah, all the time. I mean, but it is what it is, right? Andor's the perfect idea of you see this character in Rogue One, who doesn't make it out.
02:32:56
Speaker
We're going to tell his story to the moment that he gets into the movie. Like, that's insane. And it was done very well, though. That's the point of it. So, how did Rogue One hit different for you?
02:33:12
Speaker
ah Rogue One... Did did wouldn't say it hit different for me. I mean, because Rogue One has always really been a good part of my Star Wars heart. Same.
02:33:27
Speaker
Same. But the beginning hit different for me. Absolutely. Like that. Yeah. Like the beginning, like. ah You know, when it gets into Cassian being on Kafreen, that hit different big time.
02:33:43
Speaker
So, um and then Cassian, I would say the ending hit a little bit different as well, too. Like, knowing that, like, Bix was out there with a baby Cass. Like, that that that's heartbreaking as well, too. so um And for him to never know it.
02:33:59
Speaker
Yeah. Crazy. But, I mean, Rogue One has always been, like, top three Star Wars for me. So, I mean, you couldn't, like, make it any better for me. But it did a little bit.
02:34:12
Speaker
I think it's just more impactful in certain aspects of it, right? Because I did i i rewatched it. And, like you're saying, the beginning really, I think, hits harder Because there's just, again, it's just a small lines, but like when Tivik mentions Erso and he's like, Galen Erso?
02:34:33
Speaker
Yeah, like, how do you know? yeah yeah Is that who like I was told, like, Clea found out? It's those little threads that really, I think, made Rogue One even better, right? And then the ending, even better, knowing what happens with Bix and all that stuff.
02:34:50
Speaker
Yeah. Does it... I mean, for I was never a Jyn and Kaz shipper. like I love the people that are. Still Yeah, me neither. fine ah You know what? And I paid attention to that a little bit more when I watched Troll Go On right after 2. Season because I thought I was like, did they kiss?
02:35:15
Speaker
like But then like they didn't. And they didn't even like and I mean, there was that time where like she went she went to go kill or like kick Krennic right after he had shot him down and he grabs her and holds her. But it wasn't like a romantic didn't know at all like and then embrace at the end on the beach not romantic at all just like so um i think maybe at first like prior i thought like it wasn't like a focus of mine but i thought like oh yeah maybe that's like kind of like romantic like but no no
02:35:53
Speaker
And that's fine. And then again, that's if I know obviously a lot of fan fiction, which is great. I love, you know, we, we stand good, you know, people being able to write their fan fiction and all that. You know, obviously there's a lot of people that wanted that in, you know, put together gin and cast, which is it was just great. um Knowing what we know now though. Yeah. I think I just read those scenes Differently. Like you're saying, I think before might've been like, eh, like you're saying, maybe there was something there, but like they didn't just outright say it or whatnot.
02:36:28
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But like knowing what we know now, it was just two people that I think embraced because they knew it was the end.
02:36:39
Speaker
They knew that they they didn't want to be alone. Right? in that In those final moments. So it's like... Right. It's more that. More of like a... Just basic human connection than like love interest. Right? So... But I thought, again, the the Saw stuff I think played really well.
02:37:03
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Yeah. You know?
Star Wars Universe Enjoyment and Future Content
02:37:04
Speaker
Like, I think it it does... It works... Watching you know season one, season two, and then watching Rogue One, that will be a fun journey. I think I will start of at some point.
02:37:17
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like Just to see... like I think I want to sprinkle a little Rebels in there, right? The one where they get Mon. so The one with Saw. I re-watched that episode recently. Hits.
02:37:28
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and even And our boy was in there, too. Erskine. Oh, yeah? Yeah. he's in that he's in He was the one that... When they connect to the ship that she's on, they don't know it yet.
02:37:41
Speaker
He's the attache. And he says, and it's Erskine. Really? Yeah. I know. yeah So, so, boy made it that far but yeah yeah that was that was cool like again that even that fits decent too right like just knowing how she gets off and was even more like oh my god i wish for me Is a Thrawn thing.
02:38:08
Speaker
Yeah. Because he was the one that was going after her. Well, him and Governor Price. Right. Like, it was... Who did they send to find Mon Mothma?
02:38:19
Speaker
Thrawn. Wasn't anybody else but Thrawn, right? Yeah. like yeah For him not... Again, I would have just loved... We talked about that last episode, too. I would have loved a Thrawn mention.
02:38:32
Speaker
I think that's my... like that Your Emperor Vader, Thrawn is my wish list that didn't come true, but it doesn't take away from anything. I would have just loved a mention of him.
02:38:45
Speaker
Especially through Krennic. Because of what we know in Rebels. like That would have hit. so like ah Again, one that that's my wish list that didn't come true, but I'm fine with. It's Thrawn, but...
02:39:00
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Yeah, I just, I think it flows. Like, I'm very excited to kind of do that. Season 1, Season 2, Rogue One. Like, and really get, like, the journey of Cassian and then into Rogue One. And again, even my Mothma story, right? Like,
02:39:18
Speaker
Everything, the journey that she goes on is fantastic. Like, Genevieve O'Reilly, give her an Emmy. Like, she was wonderful throughout this series. Like, all of them are fantastic.
02:39:30
Speaker
Yeah. So... ah Final thoughts, Ange? Anything else you want to bring up as we wrap up? Almost three hours. Almost three hours. But it makes sense. We had three episodes and an overall finish, right?
02:39:44
Speaker
Yeah. Lots to talk about in this in this ah Rogue One or and or into Rogue One. It's amazing stuff. It really is amazing. want to watch it again. like You know?
02:39:56
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. do. i well i This is it as weird as maybe it sounds like. Maybe. Andor is something I would... going to re-watch. yeah because it's it's just that its Yeah.
02:40:09
Speaker
It is good television. It's House of Dragons. It's Game of Thrones. It's this is the and that. It's television that you want to. like I love re-watching a Game of Thrones and House of Dragons. I love that type of storytelling.
02:40:25
Speaker
This is on par with that type of storytelling. Andor. So like... Yeah, I'm going to rewatch it and really pay attention to like maybe things that they dropped in season one that air in season two and like all that stuff. Like it's I'm excited.
02:40:41
Speaker
I'm excited. I again and final thoughts, anything you want to before we wrap up and get out of here. nope what's the next i mean what's the next star wars we have like to star wars and what o but is it and do mando and grogu movie oh yeah oh we got to talk about ah tales of underworld we're gonna talk about that that's our probably maybe next episode we'll talk offline if that's what we want to do And then ah ah Trials of the Jedi come out comes out.
02:41:12
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The conclusion of the High Republic comes out June 17th, I think. Yep. That's wrapping up. and then we get new um visions. I think this year, later on this year. So that's going to fun. I love we... We'll definitely dive into those because those are so fun.
02:41:30
Speaker
Yeah. ah Those are just great animation. And again, we got... We know new animation. You know, we get a mall series coming down the pipe. ah That's right. We're getting the Levy movie with Ryan Gosling. I still can't comprehend all that, but...
02:41:49
Speaker
um very i yeah I'm excited to see what they do. I believe in Sean Levy, so it's going to fascinating to see that movie for sure eventually when it comes out. Alright, that's it. That's the show. Almost three hours on a wonderful, wonderful show that is Andor.
02:42:06
Speaker
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02:42:40
Speaker
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02:42:56
Speaker
We have not had a BTS update in quite a while. Can you believe it? I kind of fell off for a minute, but I logged on to Twitter because Dave Matthews started touring again, and I was like, I need my set list updates.
02:43:07
Speaker
And when I jumped on, I was like, holy crap, Jimin and Jungkook come back in 17 days? It's crazy. so We will get more BTS updates now that we know. They are coming back, baby.
02:43:20
Speaker
That's good stuff. Alright, that's it. That's the show. And as always, may the force be with you. Always. Always.