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Episode 138- Ahsoka Series Finale Recap
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Welcome to The GALactic Podcast! In this episode, Andrea and Lauren chat about Ahsoka Series Finale! Did Thrawn win? Where do we go from here? Will we get another season? They talk these topics and much more Go listen and enjoy!
Reminder to rate and review where available! And as always, May that force be with you!
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Introduction and Context
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This recording was done during the 2023 WGA and SAG after strike. Without the labor of the writers and actors currently on strike, the content being covered here would not exist.
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Well, hello everyone and welcome to the glad to podcast. I am Lauren Romo with me as always is my cousin and fellow nerd Andrea Gutierrez. Hello there. Right sons. Um, dark society. Good times. Good times. Oh, when Star Wars was good. People didn't bitch about the finales and crap.
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Oh, good time, kids, good times. What's going on, Anj? How we doing? I'm having fun, you know? It's what we both came off of this week, this last episode, just loving life. Solid episode, we'll talk about it. We might have maybe some different, but I think we're pretty much on the same track, though, as usual, but we might have different opinions on some stuff, but
00:01:15
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Yeah, we're here.
Ahsoka Series Finale Review
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We're going to talk about the Ahsoka series question mark finale. So we'll find out. We'll get into that conversation, too. But before we do all that, kids, if this is your first time listening to us, welcome. We are Star Wars Podcasts that discuss anything and everything within that galaxy far, far away. Each episode, we will dive into one or two topics and have a general discussion on them. Topics could be movies, TV series, books, comics, a specific character, you name it.
00:01:45
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And we talk about it. All right. And this was the finale quote unquote of the series. As far as we know, there's not been an announcement post the episode about season two or anything at this moment. So let's talk about that as far as like our, you know, without having any, any other information as a series.
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finale. Overall thoughts, Anj. How'd you think? How'd you feel? Anything maybe stick out with you good or bad or just question marks? What you got? Let's talk about your feelings. How'd it go? I loved it. I got out of that episode. Hands in the air. Big stretch. I did a big stretch at the end. I was like, yeah. That's how you do it. That is how you do it. Dang. That was so good.
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A lot of good stuff. A lot of good stuff. I was like, here we go. This is feeding into so much more stuff. That's what really had me amped. I was like, the story's not over. Not even close. And it's not cliffhanger, either. It was perfect. It was very close to my expectation, which I say always helps with your overall feeling of the show, if it meets your expectations. So very close, very close to my expectation.
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Did I feel like I could have used a little bit more time with that ending? Yeah, absolutely. I wanted to get a little bit deeper into what was going to be the future of our characters that got left on Paridia. But oh man, what we got. I was, I was like, I was like fist pumping. I was like, yes, let's freaking go.
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And then my mind's churning, you know? My mind is just churning at what I saw. And I was like, oh my God, I can't, I can't even, I barely slept. I was like a madman. I was just pacing. There's a lot to talk about, a lot to think about on this finale, a hundred percent. I mean, again, you mentioned it before in these recaps where because of, you know, the drop time now of being like an evening,
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thing you and I sometimes will text just real quick thoughts. Again, we usually, we keep a lot of stuff.
Thrawn and Nightsisters Discussion
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We save it. Yeah, we save a lot. We do. And in all honesty, kids, if you've been listening to us for a while, you know that. But for me, I liked it. I don't have a problem with how
00:04:29
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The story was told what happened. Again, a lot of things. We'll dive into a lot of obviously the big stuff kids, but I liked it. It's kind of what I thought, but then again, you and I talked about it the last time on the previous two episodes that we really don't know what was going to happen beyond
00:04:52
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Thrawn getting away, which we knew, I mean, just made sense to us. And again, he did, he got away, which made, again, knowing what we know as far as future projects and just, again, but just how the story is being told overall and not just in Ahsoka, but you talk about Mando, he's been talked about in that series.
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Right, so they are making this guy a bigger thing. So yeah, it made sense in those terms that he wouldn't be still stranded and that our heroes would win this round, right? Made sense that Thrawn won this battle. Will he lose the war? Yeah, I mean, because the good always prevails, right? This is storytelling Star Wars 101, right?
00:05:49
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The light side will always prevail. But yeah, no, I mean, I think overall I liked it. Did I feel that I wish they would have had and did a little bit more time with certain things? Yes, I agree with you, Andrea. A hundred percent. Specifically on the Bailin and Shin stuff.
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but more specifically on Balan, right? I think they could use a little bit more time with not even just in the finale, but maybe within the series overall, maybe hinting at more of what he was looking for like Mortis instead of giving us that great shot. Again, we'll talk about and dive into all that stuff, but leaving us on that quote unquote cliffhanger,
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Right? And again, as fans of the Clone Wars and Rebels and everything Star Wars, we knew, right? It took me a minute and I told you that.
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It took me a minute to realize what that statue was, because when we first were getting that shot, all I was thinking about, man, there's so much Lord of the Rings stuff in here. I was thinking of the statues and Lord of the Rings. I was like, all right, cool. It didn't even cross my mind until then you started texting again. We'll get into the mortise stuff. But then, yeah, I realized that it was obviously the statue of the father, the son, and then the daughter as well, just without the head on the statue.
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But that, I wish they would have, and not even just for us as huge fans, but even as a casual fans to give them a little more context. Cause I can see where if you're not big or if you're not as engrossed as we are as fans, the ending, especially specifically for those two characters, right? Shin and Balan, you might come out of the finale being like, well, what the heck?
00:07:54
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Like where'd they go? I think casual fans are a little bit more good guy, bad guy. So they see our bad guy get away and our good guy stuck. I think they're like, all right, that's the story. And then us who are like steeped in this are just, I was blown away. Yeah, but I think, and I 100% agree. I think if you're looking at it through like the Thrawn stuff, like, okay, he's a bad guy.
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If you were following the series, right? As a casual fan and we're following Baylin and Shin, right? For the entire series. And then the finale, we see them for about a total of what, a minute and a half, both together. Again, as a casual fan, I might be like, what the heck? Right? Cause like you've been setting up these two, the entire series. And then the finale, you're just giving me a shot of her holding her lightsaber over her head, which was a great shot. Don't get me wrong.
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Right. And then you get that shot of him on some statue, right? Again, without context, you might be like, okay, he's on some freaking statue looking into the great beyond. Like what, what is going on? Right. So again, in those terms, I wish the finale would have did a little bit better. And in that respect, again, overall, I liked that we got from point A to point B, right? Thrawn got away, Azura got home. Again, we'll talk about all this.
00:09:23
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You know again, and it kind of makes sense now though that they are two Mo you know our two heroes that we were following the entire series a so can Sabine they are Stranded and prettier. I mean it was could you argue that was just literally a flip-flop of them and Ezra Yeah, it is right, but there's I think there's a point to that. There's a reason why that happens, right? So yeah again
00:09:51
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Visually and all that stuff, it was great. I have no, no problems with any of that stuff. The music, again, the Kiners are so freaking good.
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I know all the music is out now as of today, October 8th. All the music for the series is out. So if you liked it, which I know I'm a fan. I know Andrea, I think I can speak for you. And I say the music, we're getting it and we're downloading it. It's really, really good. But yeah, again, I like all the character stuff Ezra and everything. We'll get into that, but I like all his stuff.
00:10:33
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Again, Thrawn being Thrawn, the Nightsisters, and the Great Mothers, Morgan Ellsbyth, they are so much. That was so cool. That they packed in, right? Yeah, there was a lot. A lot that they packed in in this 47-minute episode. And again, yeah, could you again, and I know, Angie, you feel like there wasn't much of a cliffhanger. With a lot of stuff, I feel like it was, yeah, but I do feel like there was a lot of stuff that is,
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open-ended, again, for reasons probably, right? Because we, again,
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Will we get a season two? I believe we will in some way, shape or form, or we'll get another quote unquote series where this story continues, right? Because we are leading to, again, if we believe what we believe and we think that Filoni's movie is gonna obviously be a huge part of this, which they have basically said it is, right? I mean, his movie is supposed to,
00:11:34
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kind of encapsulate all this Mando-verse stuff, right? Mando show, the Boba Fett show, the Ahsoka show, assuming, again, Skeleton Crew is supposed to be in this era, too, so. Yeah, I'm kind of feeling like maybe Thrawn might show up in Skeleton Crew. Like, he's the big bad that the kids and the regular society are dealing with, so.
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It makes sense, right? It does. Yeah. So there's just a lot. There's a lot to, you know, to really dive into. But yeah, I think overall I did like it. I would put this finale. I don't know if I would put it as a high, high in the series. It was good.
00:12:22
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But I really, for some reason, I really liked six and seven, specifically seven. I really liked that episode, setting everything up for this finale. But again, the finale was great. It did its job. It wrapped up certain things, but again, leaving us wanting more, right? And that's what a good show does. It wants you to come back. It wants you to want more of the storytelling, right?
00:12:51
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Again, that's, that's my overall, um, thoughts and feelings of the finale, but let's, let's dive into it though. And because, ooh, we there's a lot I, I want to talk about maybe let's, let's go, not least important, but let's go. I want to talk about the night sisters, the great mothers, Morgan Elspeth, because if you are a fan of that stuff, the night sisters, like I am, and I think Angie are too.
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I'm so glad we got them in live action now and like we are really exploring this side of Star Wars, right? I mean, I think that's one great thing that in animation that we have gotten
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is this idea of how other people view the force beyond Jedi in the Sith, right? The witches of Dathomir, they use it, they sense it in a very different way. Even if you want to go into Rebels and Zeb's people, the Lesats, have a very different view of the force and what they call it and everything like that, but it's all the force, right?
00:14:03
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But how this magic that they use is so freaking cool. And they did a really good job, I thought. This is where I want to start. I mean, again, we start off in this episode with Morgan getting transformed into this, like, Nightsister. And then the Blade of Talzin, which was apparently Mother Talzin. I mean, we know that's Mother Talzin's last name.
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And apparently, I didn't know this. I saw this in the social medias that someone posted that that blade was actually used in the Clone Wars in an episode when she fought Windu.
00:14:41
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So again, that's, that's flown me that's flown. He doing his homework, right. And he knows, and that's just little things for again, Easter egg nerves, maybe like us that really like to see it. But yeah, I, Andrea, your thought, did you, how did you feel about seeing all that?
00:14:58
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Seeing them, you know, resurrect those night troopers, man. Perfect. It's good stuff, right? It was really great stuff. I, because that was kind of the expectation of those troopers a few episodes back was that they were reanimated. They weren't. But then, you know, through the power of the Great Mothers,
00:15:19
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Here they come back like zombies. It was such a great touch. Ah, Ahsoka asking Ezra, like, is this normal? And he was like, nope, they don't do that. Never had this before. This is so good. And then them, like, presenting the, like you said, the blade of Talzin or the sword of Talzin, whatever it was to Morgan Elsbeth and creating her into a Nightsister and seeing the green magic and seeing that was so dope.
00:15:50
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And it makes me want to just go back and snuggle up next to the Clone Wars and watch it again and again and again because these things are being pulled and it's just so great.
00:16:05
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I absolutely loved that Thrawn said that he swears he would never be tricked or outsmarted by a Jedi again. And the fact that he utilizes the Great Mothers to prevent that I think is very awesome.
00:16:24
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We can get in a little bit of like why they're leaving, why they're going to back Dathomir. We can get a little bit into that later. But I think something came to that planet maybe about five years ago and they felt like the change in the force and they need to go, honestly.
Night Troopers and Great Mothers' Strategy
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I think there is fear of them staying on there. I think Thrawn didn't find them right away. I think when Ezra said Thrawn found them,
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I feel like Thrawn was maybe picking off his soldiers, and then all of a sudden, Thrawn was able to meet up with the Nightsisters, find them, and unleash them, or the Great Mothers, and that's kind of like how that went. I don't expect, like, they, you know, like, Thrawn came to Pridia, and they were there, like, waiting to greet him.
00:17:12
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So I think there was a, there's a lot of opportunity to tell like what happened during that time of Thronin as we're being on Peridia. But I think there became a moment where they're like, we have to leave. And the other galaxy is where we need to be. We can no longer reside over this galaxy. So it was just great. The costume work, the makeup,
00:17:38
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the the cg the everything it was so great around that and transpired so well into live action yeah i think they did such a good job with showing again from animation just like you said to live action because i mean just how morgan like
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reacted, it's just, you've, we've seen the hat in the innovation, like the head kind of flips back, the eyes go in the green and it was very, very cool. And then just to see the zombies come alive and you, they do like the, the cracking of like the bones or whatever coming back alive. It was so like thriller. Yeah, it was great. It was great. They did a good job. It was really well done.
00:18:25
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And I think, again, to go to what you're talking about about Thrawn and maybe how he found them, yeah, I definitely agreed with you where it wasn't where they were waiting for him with like a flag, right? Like, hey, we're here. He stumbled upon them and made some type of deal
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So I don't know, and you could be 100% right, Angela, where they want to get off. And they do. I don't know this because of something else on the planet, which again, we kind of are led to believe, right? Because of Balin and what he was saying in a couple episodes to Shin about something stirs here. And even Shin brought this idea of them wanting to get off planet, right?
00:19:19
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It could be 100% right. How I read, how I'm reading that stuff is that they found, obviously Thrawn found them. They made a deal with him, obviously saying, listen, we can get you out of here, but you have to help us get these, which we'll dive into, I guess now with regards to the cargo that they want.
00:19:47
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I mean, my, my head goes to, you know, the, either more like night sisters or night brothers too, right? It could be a mix of them, but they wanted to bring them back to Dathomir. So they can maybe be either resurrected for some reason or whatever, you know, whatever the great mothers are trying to do on Dathomir because something is pulling them to Dathomir.
00:20:14
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Do you wonder what their revenge is or what they're seeking out? Because to me, I would assume it was the Jedi because of what Dooku did.
00:20:26
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But the Jedi don't exist anymore. So it's just really interesting. Why do they want to go back there? And what is their cause that they're going to be seeking when they're back on Dathomir? Or are they just establishing themselves again? It's really interesting, because they want to be able to put their selves in places of power. That's what they did with Maul, right? They gave Maul away.
00:20:54
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be able to be trained as this Sith apprentice. So it's it's like, what, what, what are they trying to do? It's so interesting. I think you're I think you nailed it. I really think they're just trying to reestablish themselves and, you know, get back into maybe some type of power within the known galaxy again. Again, we don't know, you know, how long those great mothers have either been there and they've been there for
00:21:25
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Centuries, millennials, we don't know, right? So how much do they know of what has occurred so far, right? Do they know of what happened to like mother towels and do they know all those stories that we know, right? Do they know the end of Sidious? Do they know all of that? Like,
00:21:45
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I would think that they do. I feel like they read through the threads of time or whatever that is and now they see that it's their time to go and continue off what's been left behind because Mother Talzin is gone, Asajj Ventress is gone, you know, all of the Nightsisters were massacred by Dooku? Grievous. But sent by Dooku though, yeah.
00:22:14
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Yeah, it's interesting because again, what is their motives? You don't really know. But it feels like, I agree, it feels like they just want to reestablish because there's no presence that they have in that known galaxy that we're aware of.
00:22:37
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You know why I think they want to leave. No, I know. Well, we'll get there. We'll get there because we'll get there. We'll get there. But I but yeah, I think they definitely want to reestablish themselves in the known galaxy. And this was the way to do that. And Thrawn was the person that could help them with that because he had a ship and everything. So they saw opportunity. Right. And they saw, OK, we can help you. We can help you rebuild your ship.
00:23:06
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we will send out a message to one of our ancestors, Morgan, so that she can hear it, so that she can do our bidding that we need done, so you can get like, I get, yeah, I mean, it makes perfect sense.
00:23:21
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But yeah, I think all those, you know, that cargo is definitely either dead, you know, dead knight sisters, dead knight brothers, right? And they're going to, you know, get resurrected. Because there's not a lot, as far as we know, currently in canon, Maren from the Jedi fallen order slash survivor,
00:23:45
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is the only known, as far as I'm aware, Nightsister that is still alive post what Grievous did, right? So it would, yeah, I think they really want to reestablish themselves and they want to make a power play to, again, maybe control things in this known galaxy.
00:24:13
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is where I go with it. I wish Asajj Ventress was still around. And hey, now.
00:24:19
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Magic being magic, no. I'm telling you, anything's possible. Am I right or wrong with this? You're right. And I mean, when Asajj left us or left this galaxy, she had kind of turned around. She was in a relationship with a Jedi. She had kind of seen the errors of her ways. And she wasn't like a bad guy anymore. But if you bring her back in Night Sister fashion,
00:24:46
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All bets, I mean, everything's off the table. She can come back with the heart of vengeance, so...
00:24:54
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Please, if anyone is listening to us, please bring Asajj Ventress back. If anybody at Lucasfilm actually does listen to us. I get it. You marked her death in the timelines book, but that can be fixed. Let's go. What did Thrawn say earlier this series? You know, Jedi and Nightsister's resurrection is not abnormal. They know how to come back from the dead. No one has ever truly gone. I'm just saying.
00:25:25
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She's one of ours. I mean, we both love her. She's so good. She's a great character, and I wish she had an opportunity to be in live action. And this could be it. Like you're saying, we could get a resurrected Ventress that maybe doesn't even
00:25:41
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Know her past let's do let's do a tales of the Jedi with Quinlan and Asajj And then we got that little foothold so that we can bring her back in people bring her into live-action Okay, we're going off the rails, but a size ventures is a favorite. So But okay the circle back to the night sisters and the great mothers yeah, I think it's it's going to be fascinating to see how they
00:26:12
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what they do moving forward, right? Within the known galaxy during this time period, right? Because again, in what, what roughly 20 some years, the first order arrives, right? Kylo Ren, all that stuff. So we have some time before those events start. And we know, again, as far as we know, Mitesisters, these people, they were not in the known galaxy. So,
00:26:42
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It's going to be interesting to see how this all plays out during this, you know, New Republic slash, you know, remnants of the empire fight, which is what supposedly, you know, Filoni's movie is supposed to be about, right? According to reports, according to reports, this is what it's supposed to be. So it's going to be fascinating to see how they, how they, what, what role they play in.
00:27:07
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Right? I mean, do we get a freaking live action Maron? It's some, you know, does she feel their presence back? I'm just saying we get Cal Kestis again. This is wishlist kids. I don't know. I'm going down the road. I'm going down the rabbit hole. But anyway.
00:27:21
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Anything else Angie want to say about you know Morgan again her fight with Ahsoka. We'll talk about fight with Ahsoka was Amazing. I really liked it. I did have some issue with some of the fight choreography in this episode as well I did as well, but I really liked their fight a lot So it was really great
00:27:43
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as a footwork I needed work not with not with Ahsoka and Morgan but some of the choreography the footwork needed I would have cleaned up I would agree again overall it was good right I mean their fight was great I you know when the when the death troopers are
00:28:05
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before they get resurrected, they're fighting Ahsoka Ezra and Sabine. And just how they were all kind of like waving, like it felt very prequelsy. It was very prequelsy. But it was just, it was what it was, right? It was. And I mean, that was one of the biggest gripes in the prequels was Mace Windu's way of just kind of casually swinging his lightsaber, right?
00:28:31
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So yeah, that, but to me it was a footwork. I didn't like it. When I watch dance choreography, like one of the reasons I love Park Jimin of BTS is because his footwork is perfect. Where you place your foot is intentional with the rest of your body. And there were parts in this fight choreography where the footwork was just kind of staggering. It didn't have intention. It wasn't like watching Ewan and Hayden, which
00:28:59
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Perfect to me. That's right. It's be perfect. So I felt like it needed some work But again, maybe it's intentional because Sabine is is not fluent with a lightsaber but um It was interesting. Yeah Agreed. No. Yeah, it was I agree but specifically Morgan and Ahsoka though That was really good. I really liked their choreography. I liked I
00:29:28
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Ahsoka loses one of her blades, but she gains the blade of mother of thousand. So that's kind of cool. That's pretty cool. Yeah. And I wonder if she will rebuild another parts, right? Right. We'll get into Ezra and all that in a minute. Uh, but yeah, I, I, I really liked it. I had no qualms of Morgan, uh, you know, dying in this episode.
00:29:55
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I think it fits her arc. I understand it. Was it?
00:29:59
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you know, was it executed or was it what I wanted? No, I kind of wish she would still be alive because I think she was an interesting character. But I think her sacrifice, it made, I guess it made sense. And I like how even when Thrawn was like, you know, for the Empire and then she says for Dathomir, that was really cool. Because it shows who, you know, her true like Alagans is with.
00:30:26
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is with the great mothers, right? You know, Thrawn needs to be saying for the chest ascendancy. Oh, well, again, I didn't have. Maybe we'll get into that in a minute when we talk about Thrawn. But I and I did find it interesting at the point, speaking of Thrawn, when they were leaving and he bombards the temple or, you know, whatever they were at with all the Nightsister stuff, that one Nightsister kind of looked at him and like, what are you doing?
00:30:54
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Like, why are you doing that? But it reminded me of when he turned all of the guns on Lothal. Oh, which is really cool, right. It was just like it. It was pretty cool. I think even the music matched up. Probably. I mean, leave it the kinder. I mean, he would do that for sure.
00:31:10
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But yeah, I think I found that all very, very interesting. Anything else, Andrew, before we moved to Thrawn that you want to bring up with Morgan, the Nightsisters, the Great Mothers? Again, Dathomir wasn't expecting it, but cool that we got there. Any thoughts of what, you know, where do you think this is, what role they're going to play in moving forward and guesses?
00:31:36
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Um, I think they're just, you know, gonna be an adversary that can, can like wreck some shop, but not necessarily, um, come out on top is the way I see it, but like a formidable opponent. So, and something that's needed in, in, in Star Wars storytelling, it just, it just is. Do you think they're going to be,
00:32:04
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continued continue to be loyal to Thrawn after they get home. Oh, I don't know. I would love to see Mando fight some of them Night Sisters. Hey, again, Mando's Mandalorians verse them. We do know. And again, in Mando season three, we know that. Captain was what's what's his name? That's a man.
00:32:33
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No, no, no, no, no, not Peleon. The guy from the New Republic, the pilot. Oh, um, Teva. Teva. Carson Teva. Carson Teva. So, you know that, you know, he basically hired Mano to go do, like, so, like, to do some reconnaissance or do some missions, right, when needed? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, man, we hear something going out of Dathomir. Go check it out. Why not? With little Grogu and little Grogus? I give it to me.
00:33:03
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give it to me and they could do that right because again you're setting up to where these people are in that galaxy now and again with with what we know of the mando verse that could happen right Carson could be like hey man we're hearing some weird stuff can you go check it out for us because we're
00:33:21
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we're limited right and then you bring him bow cuz bow knows oh yeah I think if ball knows about well he she knows about mall does she know about the night sisters I don't know but she's fully aware of mall so she knows like well the shit not the shadow collective the death watch yeah they
00:33:41
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They kind of met up on, they kind of took base on Dathomir, right, in the Son of Dathomir comic? I can't remember. Did they? They might have. I had that comic, but you might be right, though. I think they did. So they could be very, yeah, Bo could be very aware of Dathomir. So again, Bo knows everything, man. Fair. But that's where, again, you could put these characters in situations like that.
00:34:05
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But yeah, let's, I mean, let's get to Thrawn himself.
Thrawn's Strategic Mastery
00:34:09
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I loved it. I loved that he got away. Cause again, makes sense, right? I was not, so that didn't really surprise me again. You and I, we talked about it. We were like, yeah, he's, if we knew one thing going into the finale, we knew he was going to get away. But how he got away was really, really interesting, right? I mean, his tactics, again, he sends the TIE fighters out first, right?
00:34:34
Speaker
And then he knows that slows him down, but I like how he's like, I'm not, he basically is like, this apprentice of Skywalker ain't going to screw me over. I am not taking any chances. And like, I think you mentioned it earlier when he said, you know, I'm not going to make the same mistake like I did before. It was great. It was great. I love what he did. So Angela had talked to me about, you know, Thrawn.
00:35:01
Speaker
his tactics that we saw, him leaving, what you got? His tactics were great. He sends out two fighters. He says, if they encounter them, to fire upon them. And then Enoch comes back and says, oh, they took out the ship. And Thrawn's like, all right, now let's rain fire down on them, because they're still coming. So he...
00:35:27
Speaker
And what surprised me was after that moment when they did make it into the temple or whatever they're in, when they could make it through the doors of Ahsoka Sabine and Ezra, the frustrated look on his face, like, man, that was my one chance and now I gotta keep going at this because I can't ignore what they're doing. And he calls on the power of the great mothers. It was so great to see Thrawn with human,
00:35:55
Speaker
uh reactions um not you know not reading them not seeing them in animation seeing a live action actor uh create the look of frustration on thrones face was so so awesome i was that's when i was like man this is
00:36:14
Speaker
This is like a Star Wars fan's dream. I can't believe we're seeing this. I can't believe that we're listening to Thrawn Psy or like Clench His Teeth or any of that. It was so great. But then still keep composure and continue on to the next thing that he had planned because his last thing didn't quite work out.
00:36:37
Speaker
And he knows what to do for the next. And he put everybody in play. He put the great mothers in play, reanimating the night troopers. He had those other freaking death troopers with those zombie faces. Oh my God, those are so cool. That was real cool. He put Morgan in play. He was so smart. And then, I mean, I kind of...
00:37:06
Speaker
The fact that when he jumped, he got to have one last conversation with Ahsoka. He called her a Ronin. He made a little jab about that she may become with the same fate of her master. It was so freaking good. I mean, leave it to him to just be like, oh, I want to talk to her for a minute. I want to talk to her. I need to say something. It was awesome. I loved it.
00:37:33
Speaker
No, yeah, I think perfectly done. Like you said, with him wanting to talk to her like, let me, let me, let me give her kudos for, you know, a good effort, but that I just want her to know that I won. That she had failed in that she's going to be stranded here, you know, for the rest of time, while I go do stuff. And to call her Ronan, you know, to call her a samurai with no master. Oh, so good.
00:38:03
Speaker
Again, deep cut, deep, deep, deep, deep. And you got to give it to him for that one. That was a great, that was a great call. Yeah. I really liked how throughout the episode, you know, he did one thing, right? Like you're saying he first, you know, when Enoch says, okay, we think we have a location. Okay. Send to fight to tie fighters. They do what they do. And.
00:38:29
Speaker
You know, then he's like, all right, well, I know what's gonna happen because like you, like we're talking about, he knew who Ahsoka was. He knows that's, you know, that's Anakin's apprentice. He knows that, okay, well, she's gonna be as wild and unpredictable and as her master. And what does he do? He always goes for it, right? He will charge the front gates and that's what he prepared for, right? So he was ready for that. And then even if that failed, he was ready. Like you're saying, he was just ready.
00:38:59
Speaker
his preparation, he was not going to be stopped. You know, he threw everything at them to get off of that planet. And I mean, that is a victory for him. It's huge. It's a huge victory for him. It's huge because that's what he does. He didn't care about anything else besides getting off.
00:39:19
Speaker
this planet from exile, right? So yeah, I like that. I even like the fact that when Enoch came back, you talked about it just a minute ago, and he was like, yeah, okay, the TIE fighters did disable the ship, but we don't know anything else, right? The report. And Thoron's like, all right, cool, that's fine. Mark the captain, get the captain the citation.
00:39:48
Speaker
It's so throng. Like I'm going to mark you down for what you just did, even though you kind of helped out, but you screwed up too. So, uh, even in death, I'm going to give you a citation. I'm noting your account, buddy. Like I just, I just love that for, for throng. But then, yeah, I think that last few moments of him talking to Ahsoka was just some real throng stuff. Because that's throng talking to Hera at the end of season three, right? Like.
00:40:19
Speaker
I got you. Or that's him talking to the rebels at the end of season four, thinking that he won when he's over the thaw. Like, you know, this is, I'm not here for your surrender. I'm not here to listen to that. I am here to, you know, destroy you. And the fact that, you know, he, he calls her out, right? You're saying calling her Ronan and everything, but then even again,
00:40:48
Speaker
elusive the fact that he absolutely knew Anakin and That he knew what he became which again not a lot of people know So again even that dig like yeah, I know what he became and you know Are you gonna turn out that way too? So man, maybe maybe you're better off over here Where you're stranded, you know, so I I loved it. I mean he's
00:41:14
Speaker
Do you, here's my question though, Ang. Again, we know who Throne is, right? We've watched Rebels. We have read the books. We know what type of villain he is. Do you feel the show did a good job of portraying
00:41:30
Speaker
How much of a real threat he is? Do you think they could have done better? What's kind of your angle with that? You know, kind of obviously reflecting on the series and all that now. Do you think that could have been done better? Or do you feel like, no, I think they, or did you feel like they succeeded in like showing how much of a threat he really is to, again, just the casual fans? I think they did. I think in Star Wars history, most grand admirals
00:41:58
Speaker
screw up and have to answer to Vader or Tarkin. Tarkin was a pretty great, he was a moth, but he was a great example of being in control of all parts around him.
00:42:17
Speaker
until the unexpected happened. Very thron, kind of, right? Very, very thron. And I think that's exactly the way they displayed thron in this last episode. So I talked about it last time. I was a little bit upset with his look, his physique, and how if I was describing thron to someone that's never seen him before, I would say he was this. And I was a little bit disappointed that it's not like how he was portrayed.
00:42:45
Speaker
But I feel like in this episode, they nailed it at him being the tactician, a step ahead, you know, the master chess player, and also he'll sacrifice what he has to to get where he's going. And that means if there's a piece on his team that needs to go because it will advance him further, then he is going to use it.
00:43:12
Speaker
So I thought they did a really great job at showing that one, he doesn't, it was interesting that his alliance now is the empire, right? They definitely like put that in there, like long live the empire. And I think that's kind of connecting it back to Mando a little bit and Moff Gideon and the message of the shadow collective.
00:43:36
Speaker
So, but I thought they did a great job. He's gonna be trouble. I don't think the New Republic can handle Thrawn. I don't. Not without the help of, you know, not without the help of Hera, her knowledge Ezra now. Yeah, not without the help of Jedi. I don't think Thrawn can't get beaten by the New Republic without the help of Jedi.
00:44:03
Speaker
I agree. No, I agree. It's going to be fascinating to see how the New Republic reacts now. Right? I hope we can see Yono's reaction. Yeah, I don't like a little weasel. I don't like him. I like his son. Kaz is great. His dad, not so much. But yeah, it's going to be fascinating how, okay, what will the New Republic do now? What is their
00:44:33
Speaker
plan Since he has returned and even my again that will that scene in a couple episodes ago Where my mother you know was talking to her. Oh, she's like shoot shoot me straight kid like What's put your feelings aside? Tell me what? Do you think this is real? Do you think this will happen and era was very like yeah, dude. We need to prepare like We're if we don't then we're going to lose
00:45:03
Speaker
We're going to be in trouble. And now that it's that is a not a. That's a reality now, it's not fantasy, right? They are in deep trouble, especially if again. If he continues using the Great Mothers, right? If that alliance still is in place. That that's big too. Because now not only does he have.
00:45:33
Speaker
Like you're saying, is the shadow collective who are behind him, right? Minus Gideon, who was like screw thrown small potatoes. Right. You have all those other ones. Pelian, uh, Hux's dad. They're all team thrown and they're team Palpatine. Yep. Yep. Yep. So it's going to be interesting.
00:46:00
Speaker
with regards to A, how the new Republic reacts. What is their plan? Again, yeah, they're going to have to rely on Hera and Ezra now. And then again, we'll throng, keep that Alliance with the great mothers. I think that you could maybe argue that they're like, no, we're good. We're going to do our own thing. No, thanks for the help. Right. They could, they could. So I find it, so it's going to be fascinating.
00:46:28
Speaker
moving forward with Thrawn, the Great Mothers, where this goes. And if that alliance is going to be intact when we see them next. And yeah, he's a fascinating character. I'm glad we got him in live action. Lars did a tremendous job of bringing him to live action, using his voice.
00:46:54
Speaker
It was, yeah, it was good. I can't wait to see what else, what threat, what is his plan now? Right, now that he got out, right, now that he's out of Peridia, now that he's back in the known galaxy, now that he seemingly has fulfilled his alliance, as we know it, with the great mothers, what does he do now, right? What's his plan? Just to get the shadow, you know, the shadow council all together to
00:47:24
Speaker
Restart the Empire Under you know the guidance of what the what Palpatine wanted via I Was it cider what is that? That's the that was the code name. I think in Battlefront 2 Operation cinder. Oh cinder cinder operation cinder Will an air in the you just do that. Yeah in the air to the Empire trilogy Thrones looking for a fleet and
00:47:54
Speaker
It's what he needs. And maybe that, I mean, that he definitely needs more. I mean, he has a huge ship, but yeah, he doesn't have a lot of other people with him, right? Besides the, the three mothers who are good at, who are good people to have. But yeah, I think, yeah, I mean, but even if he does reestablish with the remnants, right? Finds them and gets this fleet.
00:48:19
Speaker
Is it just the same old like yeah, we're gonna take back the galaxy again I guess and does he get order? I mean, I think that's kind of where we go. I mean what's bad is Kind of know that he doesn't win You know, well we do right, but we don't know does he get exiled again, right? We don't know what happens true right or
00:48:43
Speaker
Is his Is a chis ascendancy in trouble and his? Intention was just to get back to get back to home because his intention to connect with the Empire was to be able to help out his Known galaxy or known regions of the chis to be fair. That's via books, right? That's the that's the vibe that you if you read the books a hundred percent agree with you, right if you haven't read the books and you've just watched a rebels and
00:49:14
Speaker
You have no idea any of that, right? I wonder if they bring that in somehow, right? Yeah. But I said this last week is this show is feeding into so many new projects that we know are coming up. Dawn of the Jedi, the Mando-verse, Filoni movie.
00:49:34
Speaker
and now you can even see it moving into the the Rey story in the beginning of the new Jedi order and whatever that is supposed to be because right maybe Thrawn does get exiled maybe he leaves to go assist the Chiz maybe the Chiz become the enemy maybe the Gris become the enemy maybe who knows there's there's gonna be a formidable opponent
00:49:59
Speaker
What we know and who knows, maybe Balan is successful with being able to start this all over again and channel the force correctly or channel the force across the universe correctly. So this series is amazing. It's such a catalyst for so many different things in a very perfect way. No, well, well said. Yeah, I think.
00:50:25
Speaker
There's a lot of different directions it could go. There's a lot of different things that they could do to get us to the points where we are familiar with, right? To get us to the sequel trilogy. And then, like you're saying, and beyond. To the race story, to, hey, what happened 25,000 years ago, right? With the...
00:50:47
Speaker
with the dawn of the, of the entire Jedi order or the dawn of the Jedi themselves. Right. And then, yeah, clearly we know this is a big, bigger connection to the new Republic versus the remnants. Right. And that movie that Filoni is supposedly working on. Right. That we don't, I mean, again, that's all been reported pretty much confirmed by, you know, Lucasfilm that those are the three movies. Right. So.
00:51:17
Speaker
It's going to be fascinating. It's going to be real, real fascinating. Anything else on Thrawn or anything like that before we get to Ezra and all our heroes? No. Question, you think we're going to get any backstory of what Thrawn had to deal with on Peredia? I hope so. Whether it may be a book or even a comic, I'll take either or. I mean, obviously, unless we get flashbacks,
00:51:47
Speaker
Maybe, but I would love, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't mind a good old comic or a novel of what was going on during that time. I mean, my assumption is that, you know, they obviously were exiled the entire time. He somehow stumbled upon these, the great mothers in some way, shape or form, right? At some point when he was exiled.
00:52:11
Speaker
And that's when this entire plan started forming of how he was getting off, right? So A, obviously I don't, maybe he was probably looking for Ezra, obviously the entire time, right? But was more focused on getting off and getting out of Paridia.
00:52:30
Speaker
And then when he came, when he came across the great mothers, that's when again, they were able to help him succeed. It took a while, but they had to rebuild his ship, right? Which probably took a long time because that ship is huge and it was severely damaged during the, um, when the Pergol took him to exile. Right.
00:52:53
Speaker
So there's a lot that, I don't know, a lot of action happened, but I wouldn't mind knowing how he stumbled upon the Great Mothers, though. Do you think the Great Mothers communicated with the Chiz? No. No, no, no, no, no. I think they were just communicating with Morgan. Okay. Do you feel, I mean, what do you think? Maybe via the Skywalkers? Not the Skywalkers. The Chiz Skywalkers that navigate the galaxy.
00:53:22
Speaker
Do we know if the Chiz Skywalkers, if they... I mean, we know they use it for travel. They can predict, yes, the travel and the movement. They can predict things that are happening before them. And I think in Thrawn Alliances, when he discusses things with Anakin and Vader, I think he makes that connection, that that is what
00:53:52
Speaker
is what's going on with them. But I don't know if the Chiz were using them in that way. So I don't know if those, like, I don't know if those Skywalkers in the Chiz Ascendancy would be able to communicate or even, you know what I'm saying? Like, have the training to be able to communicate or whatever? Does that make sense? Am I making some points to that? So in the pre-stories, like The Greater Good and stuff like that, Thrawn was using Cheery, one of the young Skywalkers,
00:54:21
Speaker
And he like took her.
00:54:23
Speaker
Um, to utilize her in different ways and, and like, that sounds really creepy, but, um, like there's not a part of the story that's missing where he used cheery and was going to teach cheery different things so that she could utilize her powers and not lose them because the skywalkers in the Jackson, you see, eventually lose their power. And he was going to assist her in, in like honing her, her power. Um,
00:54:54
Speaker
And I think when he then ran into Anakin that he he got that as well, too So I don't know. It's really interesting I would love for the Chiz to to be more well-known in in Casual Star Wars viewing. I think it would be great. Yeah, I think Introducing them would be really cool because again having some context of what his
00:55:21
Speaker
society his people are like I think it would be I think that that would be good for casual fans because I think a lot of people in that in the chiz are similar to throw maybe not as smart but they
00:55:39
Speaker
They're very tactical, right? Yeah, so it'd be interesting for them to again bring that in I'm with the edge I wouldn't hate it at all. I would love it. So we'll see though, right? We'll see maybe he does get the chiz involved for whatever reason right? But again, like like you said though in the books his his kind of really big goal is
00:56:04
Speaker
is to learn about the empire and then be able to report that back to the chiz and tell them where they're at as far as are they a threat, not a threat, right? So we'll see, we'll see.
00:56:19
Speaker
But as far as, you know, one of Thrawn's biggest adversaries is our boy, Ezra Pritchard.
Ezra and Sabine's Dynamic
00:56:27
Speaker
Love it. God, he's so good. He was so on brand. Yes. He was so on brand this episode. It was great. The guy that plays him, and I can't remember his first name, Esmati, does such a good job like pulling Ezra from the
00:56:48
Speaker
the animation that we are familiar with to live action like really like it's perfect. It is mannerisms the way he talks like he did his homework like he did not take this like you know the the the job or whatever as Ezra Bridger lightly like he did his homework and it shows right and even Natasha for Sabine she did her homework
00:57:14
Speaker
Oh, yeah, right. I mean, they did their homework and under and but that shows that they understand how important these characters are to a lot of us fans.
00:57:24
Speaker
So with Ezra though, I wanna start with him making his own lightsaber. Didn't have that on my bingo card, but I'm glad he did. I love that it's blue, going back to the blue. I know. Don't hate it. And the caveat of having it basically canons, very similar to canons. Very awesome. How did you feel about all that? Talk to me about that entire scene. That whole scene with him and Huyang I thought was,
00:57:55
Speaker
outstanding. I feel like if you were not a deep Star Wars fan, you might have been a tiny bit lost, one calling Kane and Caleb, that type of stuff. But
00:58:12
Speaker
It and it was good establishing who Yang as well to like to make sure everybody knows like how integral he was at the Jedi Academy teaching the younglings and Teaching all Jedi how to build their lightsabers and then how long he's been around how long he's been around how he Archives it how he saves parts how they're organized disorganized that part was so freakin great. I absolutely loved it and
00:58:40
Speaker
It was a really great scene. It was a little bit frustrating, was the telling of Sabine and Ahsoka's story in that way, instead of Sabine and Ahsoka telling what happened on Mandalore. But it was nice that it could just be summarized like that and who had done a better way to tell it than Huyang, who is one of the best droid storytellers ever that we're getting.
00:59:08
Speaker
He's such a great addition to the Star Wars lore. He really is. I love that they have incorporated him into the story. So when he pulled out that piece, that Canaan piece, I knew exactly what it was. I immediately could envision Canaan's lightsaber in my head and I was like, that is it. That is so cool. It was so cool.
00:59:33
Speaker
Yeah, I immediately when he showed it to him and then Ezra turned it and it had that little part. I'm like, I just imagine hanging and taking it apart. I'm like, that's his saber. I'm like, oh, that's so good. That was good. That was real good. And then even for Hugh Hugh Yang to be like, OK, now I get it like.
00:59:53
Speaker
Obviously he didn't understand who Ezra was or you know, but then weren't being said. Yeah, he was Canaan's He's like, oh, yeah. Okay. Well, here's here's the piece. This is this is what you're looking for I knew that he could just told me what I had it done in two seconds But I love that and I love that he got again. He rebuilt a saber I'm so pumped that he has another saber. That's like what's his third saber. He's built, right? Which I love I still have his very first saber is one of my favorites
01:00:22
Speaker
I agree. I love the blaster saber. Oh, it was perfect. Classic. I love it. But I like this new one's clean though too. Like the, with the homage to canons and then the silver, but oh yeah, I like it. I like it. I am down for his, his new saber to, to go to your, you know, that what you said about Ezra finding out what happened.
01:00:50
Speaker
I wasn't mad about how like that it was between that we found out between Hu Yang and Ezra because I feel like for and it's kind of jumping but For us to find out through a so kinds of being I feel like that would have felt for me a little off because those two are so similar and they're so fiercely like
01:01:16
Speaker
independent and they're not good at maybe expressing their feelings very well. Right. So them trying to talk their feelings out. Not going to happen. Right. So having getting contacts from Hu Yang
01:01:31
Speaker
because again, he knows both of them made sense for me. And I love how Ezra, that must, how he must felt to hear all that, right? Because he knows who Sabine's family was, he met him. So he probably understands a little bit more of what's going on with Sabine now, right?
01:01:55
Speaker
and all that like I didn't yeah I was cool with it I loved the Hugh Yang Ezra factor was great I hope we get more interactions with them down the road because they're just they're so great I loved it and yeah I mean calling Hugh Yang out for being his organized and like you know and even you know he's basically like you know I know what I'm doing now you're just a droid he
01:02:22
Speaker
Yang's like, sir, do you know who I am? Like, I have trained everybody on how to build their sabers. So nonsense, kid. Nonsense. And I loved it. I loved it. And then him seeing him in action was great. You know, him and Ahsoka pushing the ship up. Very cool. Yeah. So it didn't.
01:02:44
Speaker
know hurt the naughty loved it and I loved his you know the fighting style I was fine with it right I mean him doing like a slide with the slash when they get to the night troopers was great his him and a sense of beans
01:03:03
Speaker
Just back and forth. God, it felt so rebels and I loved it. You know, especially that moment where he there, you know, after the night troopers get resurrected and then one like gets Ezra and is like calling him and he was like Sabine and just how he said to be like how he said it. I was like, God, that sounds like Taylor. Like it just it sounded like Taylor who voices Ezra in the animation.
01:03:27
Speaker
And then like when she's like trying to shoot, he's like, careful, careful. Like it was just so Ezra. And then she, you know, uses a saber and, you know, his reaction of like, Oh, that, you know, good moves in the so cause like you, you know, she's been practicing and Sabine's like, what's your excuse? I'm like, God, that's perfect. It's, it's them.
01:03:50
Speaker
So them right and then he says, you know, I missed you like yeah, it's just it's good stuff Like I love I love those two and then like you're saying their fight when they get to the death troopers That was fun, you know seeing like those dead death troopers and just how huge and strong they are and You know as you know slicing one of their heads off was you know with a saber again his saber work was good I didn't mind it, you know
01:04:15
Speaker
And then the whole, you know, trusting Sabine to use the force and everything. I think, again, that was great. That was really, really great. And, you know, him back on the ship with Thrawn. It was just like, here we go again. But now we're going home, right? He's going home. I am curious, though, how, you know, again,
01:04:38
Speaker
Well, again, real quick, before I kind of get to that, that I thought I just had him, you know, communicating over the stormtrooper, pretending to be a stormtrooper, like it's so rebels and it's like, how many times has he done this? I loved it, you know, and I am kind of curious. So like this, did the great mothers not realize that he made it onto the ship? Like,
01:05:06
Speaker
Again, that's one of those things where I'm letting it go. I don't care. He got home. He, you know, again, he was dressed up as a stormtrooper. I get it. Yeah. And he, he stole shin and, um, relationship. I'm fine. Whatever. I don't, I don't care. Like it's, that's, that's where I have to like set aside that.
01:05:26
Speaker
like personally and be like whatever we're getting from A to B i don't care how i don't need i don't need it explained right i mean maybe alex alex if you listen to this i doubt it but if you do maybe explain it maybe you can do a whole video on it but yeah i but i don't care right he just him going to hara was a great moment how did you feel about i want to hear your thoughts first
01:05:50
Speaker
Um, I loved, like I, I said, it was on brand for him and Sabine, um, their banter back and forth. Um, him with a lightsaber again. You know, I know a lot of people were like, Oh man, I love it that he just uses the fours. Um, and it was kind of, I did too. I did too. I said that. Yeah, I did too, because I'm all about that because I've brought it up multiple times. How Soka was out without a lightsaber for so long and she had to utilize, uh,
01:06:20
Speaker
The force without having a weapon so I'm all about that but you got to love it when when you have a light when a Jedi finally has a lightsaber and the the push me to throw me I loved every second of that because it reminds me of when Ezra gets mauled to do it and he says me and my master do it all the time and and you know him just
01:06:48
Speaker
Um, believing in that Sabine can do it, not at first, but then he's like, okay. And then you kind of think, Oh my God, he doesn't make it. And it's, it's, there's a little bit of comic relief in that too. Um, it, it was just really awesome. It was just, it was very nostalgic rebels. It had really great rebels feels to it. I loved it. It was really big rebels feels, right? Like it was, it was great. I mean, just seeing those two do their thing.
01:07:17
Speaker
And then him to just, like you're saying, trust her. Not at first, but then like, all right, well, I, there's, what else are we going to do? I got to trust her, you know? And I loved all that.
01:07:29
Speaker
How did you feel when he gets back to Home 1 and they're all guns ready because they don't know who it is? How did you feel about that whole scene? How did it go? It could have been better. I liked that Chopper kind of interceded and was like, no, I think I know who this is.
01:07:50
Speaker
And it was a little bit weird that like there wasn't a hug involved or like some sort of like strong embrace of while your fine hair is like, my God, you're finally back, they got you. But maybe her concern is also Sabine. But it was good. It, you know, it was good. I'm glad that that didn't get left out. To be honest, I'm glad that's, you know, that we got to see that.
01:08:19
Speaker
Yeah, I am glad that we got to see him come back and to meet, you know, to see Hera and everything. I know that's a big kind of thing going around about the hug, no hug.
01:08:31
Speaker
Yeah, it seems weird. I could give two. I could care less. You don't hug. No, I guess not. But not even that though. But I just don't like, in the moment I just didn't like, it wasn't like, I didn't need that to really sell the emotion. Like I feel like
01:08:54
Speaker
what they did prior to that, like him revealing himself, her like in shock. Like I just, I felt it in that, in that moment already. So like seeing a hug, yeah, it would have been great, right? Cause he, right. I mean that for all kinds of purposes, that was his mom, right? I mean, she raised him. So I,
01:09:15
Speaker
Did I need it? No. Do I understand why people want it though? Oh yeah, I get it. But it's not one of those things where I'm going to like, you know, die in that Hill of like, Oh, they shouldn't, you know, they screwed up. They should have did this and that. Like, I'm not going to die in that Hill.
01:09:31
Speaker
I would have loved to maybe get a Zeb appearance. I would have liked to maybe even see Jason. Jason show up and Ezra locks eyes with Jason. That would have been pretty cool as well too. So I feel like it could have been better. But what it was, I'm cool with.
01:09:52
Speaker
Again, I think we maybe get those, I don't know if we get all those moments maybe, but I definitely am interested to see Jason and Ezra interact. Do I need that moment where they first see each other? I mean, right, it'd be great, right? It'd be great as a fan, especially being ones that have watched Rebels and we know the significance of that moment.
01:10:17
Speaker
It'd be nice to see, like I get again, like seeing the hug. I also think it's, it's hard for her to see Ezra, right? Because it's also like seeing Canaan. So I think that's a little bit of what it was. It's like a little bit of, man, I can, I can get everybody I love back, but I can't get Canaan back. I think is a little bit of that hesitation as well too. I agree. I agree. I think that's a hundred percent, you know, would be on brand for Hera too.
01:10:46
Speaker
I think that would make a lot of sense. So yeah, there's just, again, overall, right, though. I was fine with it. I like how Chopper was like, is that you? Is that you? You can kind of hear it. So yeah, but him saying, hi, Hera, I'm home. That was great. It was just really, really well done. And I'm excited to see, again, what happens now with
01:11:14
Speaker
Hera with Ezra I mean they have to Ezra has a lot of catching up to do or at least has to catch up here on a lot of what's going on Right. So and they have to you know notify the New Republic What is there like we're talking about earlier? What is their response gonna be? So yeah having Ezra back in the known galaxy is huge though. I'm excited I'm very excited to see what what they're gonna do. Does he come across Grogu Amanda at some point? That would be cool
01:11:45
Speaker
Very cool. I think it could happen right? He's in play now. So And maybe he maybe he visits Boca tan He knows her right? I mean they they right. I'm pretty sure yeah, he does. Yeah Yeah, because in yeah in the first couple episodes of season four so yeah, I mean I think it'd be very very cool for all that to To see that maybe again and maybe a mando for season four, right?
01:12:15
Speaker
But yeah, I loved all the other stuff. I thought the actor did a phenomenal job and I am very excited that we have him in live action and that we know he's alive, right? That we know
01:12:28
Speaker
He's back in the known galaxy. And he's ready to to do some extra stuff, and I am excited. Any anything else before we move on to Sabine and Ahsoka with anything last minute with Ezra, you want to bring up? No, I'm pretty ready for Sabine and Ahsoka. Yeah, Sabine. I she was one of my standouts besides Balan. I think Natasha did a really good job with this character.
01:12:58
Speaker
And I had no qualms with how they did everything with her, right? With her being able to force grab the lightsaber. Oh no, I had no problem with that. All that stuff, right? I had zero problems. I like how she mixed it up with the blaster and saber during the fight. Again, I think she did a great job throughout the series.
01:13:21
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I liked it. Go ahead. So give me your thoughts.
Sabine's Jedi Path
01:13:24
Speaker
I love how she crashed the shuttle and she came walking out and she said, got them. I think I almost forgot like how she relied so much on explosives, blowing crap up and then Zeb loving it and wanting to do it as well too. Like that was, that was a Sabine Zeb moment. Like, yeah, I crashed a ship, but I got them. We're good. That was a great moment. What else you got with her in this finale?
01:13:51
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's such a good portrayal of what we've seen in animation. And it's about time that she's able to utilize the force. And I think anybody that was surprised by those moments didn't watch Rebels because
01:14:07
Speaker
and didn't listen to the lesson that Kanan was teaching her and Azura while he was teaching her to use the Darksaber. So, and then wasn't paying attention to what Ahsoka has been trying to teach her as well too. Do I think that maybe her power was
01:14:25
Speaker
unlocked because of the place that she was at. It's pretty strong with the force. Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. I don't really care because I know like in the moment when you need it, if you're connected to it, it comes to you. And that's exactly what they displayed. I love the pull of the lightsaber. Very, very Ray force awakens. I love I just already told you I love the push. It was so rebels. It was so Canaan and Ezra. It was outstanding.
01:14:55
Speaker
She's not great with a lightsaber. Ahsoka recognizes it, tells her to use her blasters. That's very cool as well too. And the conversation between her and Ahsoka and Ahsoka like pledging that she's not going to leave her side is where we needed to be between those two.
01:15:12
Speaker
My favorite character through this entire series was Sabine, hands down, like she just was. The actress, Bordizo, the way that she portrayed Sabine, the look of Sabine, everything, the mannerisms, the voice, everything was so great. And exactly what I would want
01:15:35
Speaker
people that are just being introduced to Sabine to see. I mean, it was a great way to kick off Sabine to live action fans and casual Star Wars fans. It was great. And I don't mind that she's left stranded with Ahsoka. I don't. They need that time to have her convene with the Force and do what she needs to do to become a Jedi. I want her to be a Jedi. I want people that are too old to become Jedi become Jedi. That's what I want.
01:16:04
Speaker
I hope we get to dive back into that. I hope she makes it back to the known galaxy. I think there's a lot of story to tell with Sabine and I think Filoni is doing a really great job on capitalizing on that character. Yeah, well said. I 100% agree. I think she is one of the standouts overall. Her character, I mean, even going back to her introduction, that episode,
01:16:32
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was great. I'm a speeder. Yeah, it's great. Rocking out to some rock metal space rock metal. It was great like that. That was such as a bean like entrance. I'm like, okay, yeah, they're good. Like, not that I didn't think Filoni could do it. But like, I was like, all right, yeah, he knows what to do. He knows how to like interest the general audience. I think for me, again, yeah, the the force pull the force push stuff.
01:16:58
Speaker
We talked about it, yeah, totally fine with it. I liked that moment. I think it built, right? We were waiting for a moment like that, because we talked about it last, you know, in our last episode. They're building towards it, right? You don't start with the cup thing and her trying to use it, you know, a few times throughout the series and then not to do something. So, yeah, I had no issues with it. I think it makes sense. It's not that.
01:17:27
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she all of a sudden without training right because she's been she's been training exactly that's my point she's been training for over how long right and yeah so she finally was able to do it it makes sense and i and
01:17:45
Speaker
To go back to the reasons why Ahsoka did not want to train her was because of what happened on Mandalore. And she felt that if Sabine was able to
01:18:00
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unlock her potential at that time, it could have been dangerous. Which makes sense for Ahsoka back then. So I like, and I kind of like that we got that story now because it does put it in context, right? But I do wonder, and I don't know if we have an answer yet, Angela, what's your idea of when did they start training? Like when did, I wonder when
01:18:29
Speaker
Sabine and Soka started like when she wanted to start this path of being a Jedi was it pre the mandal like the the light of a thousand tears or was it after because that story from how I'm how I am in him Interpreting it is that after that moment Sabine wanted to start training and then I
01:18:54
Speaker
She did, but then Ahsoka realized what happened, and then she stopped. Like, how do you read that? How do you reading all that? Like, what's your thoughts? I assume that they were training prior to the Night of a Thousand Tears, that maybe Ahsoka came back right after the Battle of Lothal, trying to connect with Ezra or whoever, and they weren't there, and came, cross paths was Sabine, right? Because
01:19:22
Speaker
Ahsoka wasn't always the fulcrum. She went into Malachor and vanished for a little bit and then had to come back and she probably reconnected with the Rebel fleet. Para and all that, yeah. Para and all them.
01:19:37
Speaker
was identified as Fulcrum again and she started training Sabine. I think the Night of the Thousand Tears was happening and Sabine wanted to go there and Ahsoka wouldn't allow her to get involved because that would create an attachment. That's an attachment that Sabine needed to learn how to break free from. And once maybe Ahsoka saw how badly that scarred
01:20:06
Speaker
Ahsoka, that's when Ahsoka left her, because they've said it plenty of times, Ahsoka left Sabine, Ahsoka left Sabine, that's why I left Sabine, right? So I think that they were training before, I think, Ahsoka prevented her from going to assist with what happened on Mandalore, and then I think that's when they broke up. Right, and because of her fearing that if she continues the training, it could be dangerous. Yeah.
01:20:35
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Yeah, no, I can see that as well. So I'm interested if they will expand on that a little bit in any way, shape or form eventually. I don't know if we really need it. Do you need any further explanation or you're like, I got the gist. I can kind of fill in the.
01:20:52
Speaker
the lines. I think it would have been somewhat nice to be able, this sounds really creepy, but would have been nice to see Sabine traverse like the stages of grief, and to see how devastating it was when Ahsoka left. I feel like that needs to be fleshed out maybe a little bit, but to me and my headcanon, that's what happened.
01:21:18
Speaker
No, I like it. I can I again I can I I see all that for sure and it makes it would make total sense for that for that How that would happen right for her to? Leave her For again for reasons that Ahsoka felt right. It's not even and that's again. I think the bigger maybe obviously the problem with with what's with
01:21:44
Speaker
house of being took that, you know, Ahsoka just leaving her. Like she was just like, you're not even giving me a chance.
01:21:51
Speaker
Like, you're just assuming, right? Ahsoka's just assuming that if she continues Sabine down this path, it's going to end terribly because of past experiences. Or the fact that Sabine felt as though she needed Ahsoka. She brought that up in the first episode. Ahsoka says, I go where I'm needed. And Sabine flat-out said, not always. Not always. Right.
01:22:16
Speaker
Yeah, it, it would have been good to see that, but I, I get the gist. Yeah, we got, yeah, we got the gist of it and I'm cool with it. Right. I mean, it makes sense now that we have more contacts. Right. So yeah, I have, yeah. And then the very end, you know, with the Soka in Sabine and the Mousy talking about, you know,
Ahsoka and Sabine's Growth
01:22:40
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being where they're needed, right? And Ahsoka telling Sabine, you know what, you did good. And Sabine even doubting herself like, did I though? Because Thrawn got away. But then I like how, again, the newer Ahsoka, if you wanted to say, you know, was like, no, you didn't. You got Ezra home.
01:23:01
Speaker
Right? Yeah. Yeah. She tells her we're where we need to be and it's time to move on. And that was, I mean, Ahsoka could have been looking in a mirror and saying that to herself. Right. So, um, that, that tiny little, um, that little seeing of it's time to move on, I thought was, um, what really pushed this episode and can get everybody moving to the future. Agree. No, I 100% agree.
01:23:30
Speaker
Again in For her to like feel maybe Anakin's presence. Oh boy. I don't even want to get into it. Yeah Well, we'll jump to so good in a minute. But yeah, that was cool again. Just a little boy that little moment was interesting and you know, you just It's yeah, I I am I am so happy for the character Sabine. I
01:23:56
Speaker
Yeah, because again, it's one of those like, and I think in Andrew, I think you brought it up before, you know, with the force center, right? With Joseph and Ken and Jennifer, how they're very much like, you know, Hey, you see a friend doing good things and you're happy that that's how you feel with this character, right? Cause she's been through so much. And then for her to come along and be able to do what she did. It's amazing, right? Like it's great.
01:24:25
Speaker
Yeah, for Sabine to be a household Star Wars name is amazing. A hundred percent agree. I can't wait. And I'm excited for everybody to to get, you know, to become more familiar with her because she is one of my one of ours favorite characters. A hundred percent. Well, that's, you know, obviously. Her master, Ahsoka.
01:24:50
Speaker
Really good stuff. I liked the overall vibe that she was giving, you know, in the finale, as far as giving wisdom, right? And parting wisdom to Sabine throughout this finale and multiple times, right? Her showing her skills, right? The fight, we talked about the fight with Morgan. It was great. What was your
01:25:17
Speaker
What's your overall thoughts on, I think, how they portrayed the character throughout the series, Ange? Did it flow well? Did you like it? Did you struggle with anything? I was cool with it. I think everything made sense for me as far as the ups and downs, right? The overall kind of arc that she went on was great. So, I mean, what's your thoughts? Yeah.
01:25:43
Speaker
I think so too. I think we saw this in a couple episodes back where you kind of got frustrated with Ahsoka and her mindset. And I think you were supposed to almost like in her introduction in the beginning of Clone Wars, where she seemed like a kid and you were like, I don't like this kid. You know, just to be able to go along that journey and see her growth and maturity.
01:26:11
Speaker
And I think it's also great that we got to see that you do that multiple times in your life, right? You don't just like have maturity and then you stay that way, right? You have things that affect you and you take steps back and you have new lessons to learn and then that makes you
01:26:29
Speaker
um stronger and wiser and and all those things so i think they've been doing a really good job with her entire arc across animation and now live action to show that there's like peaks and valleys in your life and sometimes you're right where you're supposed to be and then sometimes you're not
01:26:47
Speaker
And you see it in Clone Wars, you see it in Rebels, because you kind of see her in Rebels with her act together, right? And you think she's all right, but then she gets that connection with Darth Vader and she loses it, right? So she's back down again. And then you see it again in this, where you expect her to be that all-knowing, all-wise Jedi, but you realize that she's guarded and she's full of fear, and then she gets past that. So she is one of the best
01:27:13
Speaker
developed characters in all of known, whatever you want to call it, literature, movies, storytelling, whatever it is. She is a fantastically developed character that continues to grow and continues to have adversity
01:27:33
Speaker
and they just do a really great job. Rosario Dawson's portrayal of her, I felt in this episode, was spot on. There were just some really great moments, some really great shots where she was like, that's a soca, right? That's the soca now that we know. That's what she's going to continue to be. It was really awesome.
01:27:52
Speaker
I'm excited. I'm so excited. I think she's going to be, she will continue to be a big deal in Star Wars. My theories around what she could be, what she might be go off into great places. So it's going to be really interesting. The fact that she saw Morai, look out. That's huge. That's huge. That's huge. That's huge.
01:28:20
Speaker
I that it's comes back to like what I said at the beginning of the episode I walked out of this episode like like fist pumping I was like this is where we're at this I love this I love where we are with all these characters I love it yeah no I think they did a really good job wrapping everything up especially with her as far as again in this series for lack of a better term finale but we assume more right I mean
01:28:47
Speaker
Are we both, we're both thinking obviously of season two of some sort? Season two or just continues to show up in other projects? That's where I see it. I don't know. But I think she, her too is now a household name in the Star Wars universe.
01:29:09
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know if we'll do a quote unquote, a second season of Ahsoka, but maybe it could be a new series, but it's about them. Like, right, who knows, right? I think overall, I am very optimistic about what we're doing moving forward with these characters. I like where we're setting things up.
01:29:37
Speaker
You know, for her to, again, feel Anakin's presence. Whoa, boy. It was huge. And to see our boy Hayden. Oh, my gosh. And its force ghost was really cool. You know. Oh, my gosh. So that will lead us to, I think, one of the great one of the great parts, but also semi-puzzling for me.
Character Analysis: Shin and Bailin
01:30:00
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And that's when we get Shin and Baelin. Whoa, boy. For about a minute and a half.
01:30:08
Speaker
Like it was just like, okay, like interesting. So again, Shin holding the saber up overhead above the encampment of those raiders or whatnot, gives the vibes that obviously that's where she wants to be. She wants to be their leader now, right? Okay, cool, Shin, go off, queen. If that's what you wanna do, that's what you wanna do.
01:30:37
Speaker
I mean, I honestly thought, for me, Ang, I thought that she would maybe go and try to find Balan. So it's interesting that she just went back to the raiders, right? And basically, she is okay with her master bailing on her. Balan bailing on her. Pun not intended, but it happened. You got it. So I find it interesting that she did not
01:31:06
Speaker
Because I thought, and I don't know what you thought, but I thought she would go after him after everything went down in the previous episode. So real quick about Shin, because I know there's a lot about Bailin that we'll talk about. But Shin, you OK with where we left it with her? Like, what's your thoughts on that?
01:31:26
Speaker
Yeah, I'm okay. I was surprised too. And honestly, when she pulled up at that camp and raised her lightsaber, I was like, is she about to Anakin, Tusken Raiders these people? Is she in full anger and her loss? And I didn't know what was going on. But it looks like she's trying to
01:31:49
Speaker
start a following and she wants to be back in power of some sort. I think she was really confused at whatever Baelin was trying to teach her. I don't think he was really the greatest master now that I think about it and not giving
01:32:05
Speaker
Um his intentions up to her, but that's like the fall of every stupid Jedi that is not calm bail in a stupid Jedi But I'm saying the Jedi have a problem with not being forthcoming and holding with withholding information and and then your message gets lost so I think that's what happened with Shin which is too bad. I like her as a character. I hope she um We see her again. I hope she's I hope she's a formidable opponent again like I
01:32:33
Speaker
I hope she comes around. I hope what Balan intended her to be. She becomes like that's another one of my theories that I think I can get behind. But I don't know. It's it was a little disappointing how they left her. Again, a lot of question marks, but again, a lot of things that they could do with a character still, right? I mean, she can go in a lot of a lot of different directions. She could go down, which it seems at this point, the dark path, right?
01:33:04
Speaker
Or she could maybe eventually join Ahsoka, right? Because there was that, again, small hint, if you want to call it, where she kind of second-guess herself before running away, you know, after all the Night Troopers left her. Again, maybe she falls into with Ahsoka and Sabine. Who knows, right?
01:33:30
Speaker
But yeah, I think her story overall though, again, beyond being the Padawan of Bailin, she's interesting. I wanna know more though, right? Like that's the whole thing with Shin and Bailin is that you wanna know more because their motives are very different, right? She feel like for me, she was more about power in the sense of
01:34:01
Speaker
control right and again, we talked about that in a previous episode of like When Balan tells her that the power that type of power is fleeting, right? But it seems like that's the path that she was on and he even says that right that we do again we talked about that So I I don't know this whole and you know It fits her character being the power play right that she wants to be in control of these of these people
Mortis Arc and Anakin's Influence
01:34:31
Speaker
So yeah, again, do I want more? Yeah. Do I wish we would have gotten a little bit more of her? A hundred percent. Right. I wish that we would have gotten a little bit more. But again, what what would they have shown in this episode? Her just riding the howler back to the camp, you know, like. Yeah. Where are we going to go with it? I mean, I don't know. To me, I was almost expecting her to get in the way of our three heroes and, you know,
01:35:00
Speaker
maybe being that, but again, leaves it up for a lot of storytelling with her, which I'm excited because she is a very interesting character for sure, right?
01:35:14
Speaker
So that's, again, any final thoughts with Shin and before we move on to I think the most fascinating character for maybe both of us? Anything? Yeah, no, I don't have anything else for Shin. I think a lot of things that they did with her throughout the season was very intentional. The padawan braid, the white hair.
01:35:32
Speaker
the writing, the having the light colored howler, things like that. If my ideas of where her path might go, I think there were a lot of little tiny things put in place to get you there. Do you want to share those now or is it part of Baylands? It's kind of a part of Bayland. Okay, so let's jump into Bayland. Because I feel like he's the most fascinating character in Star Wars now.
01:36:03
Speaker
Like his motives, what is he looking for? What is he trying to accomplish? It's all still up in the air. And again, this is one of those things, moments where I was like, okay, I wish we would have got more of this. Like, but I get it. What does it mean? It would just be like following Frodo walking to mountain two. Like I get it. There's not much action going on with, with him during the finale.
01:36:32
Speaker
I mean, am I wrong? I'm not wrong kids. I'm not wrong. You're not wrong. That's perfect. So I, I wanted to know, I guess I was hoping to get to the point where what he was looking for would maybe appear and then maybe that's where we end. And we kind of did get that in a weird, maybe roundabout way. But again, at first when we see him and he's on that statue,
01:37:01
Speaker
I had no idea what that thing was. I'll be perfectly honest, because I was thinking of Lord of the Rings at the moment, at that time. 100%. I lost it, Lauren. Oh, I know you did, because you picked it up way before I did, because it took me probably 30 minutes after the episode to realize, and then it finally, slowly, my brain was like, hey, goofball. You might want to go re-look at that, because you're missing something.
01:37:28
Speaker
And that's when I finally realized that the statue that he's on is the father of the Mortis Gods. And then the son was to the right, the daughter was to the left without the head. That is when I did the whole like, Leonardo DiCaprio give a pointing. Oh, I leoed it so hard, so hard. I literally jumped up in my recliner, clicked my fingers, pointed,
01:37:57
Speaker
And I said, there he is. There's a father. I knew it. And again, I was like, interesting. Because now that opens up a lot of stuff. Whereas at first, before I realized what that statue was, I really had to think about this finale. I was like, OK, the Ahsoka Sabine, all that stuff was fine. But you didn't do anything with this guy.
01:38:26
Speaker
Again, this was before I realized it was the Mortis Gods. And then I was like, oh, oh, we're going there with this guy. We're going like Mortis Gods. We're going that weird route of Star Wars. Okay, I'm in. Let's go. You want to know where we're going to go with it, but Floney, what do you got? Because I'm interested to see what, what is it going to do with this now?
01:38:51
Speaker
Right. What is what is now? What is now? Where are we going right now that we kind of have an idea what's being called to bail in. Right. So I think there's a lot of different ways. So where do you go with this, Andrea? Because I know you have you have a really interesting theory that I I I'm with about 95 percent. But go ahead. Me too. I mean, I'm with it about 95 percent. But then I go back to, you know,
01:39:22
Speaker
my record and I'm usually wrong. I do not bat a thousand. I don't even bat over 500. Nobody bats a thousand. I think I would be at the end of the lineup.
01:39:38
Speaker
When I saw Bailenstein on the statue of the father, I lost it. So this was my mentality going up into this. I, you know, I grab onto theories that come up in my own head and I can't let them go. And sometimes I get greatly disappointed and sometimes I don't. But what's bad is I don't like communicating those theories in my head because I'm afraid I'm going to be wrong, right?
01:40:05
Speaker
So, but when they come to life and I'm right, holy crap, my head like almost blew off Lauren, I'm telling you. Cause me and my son prior to the finale, he was like, what do you think? And I go, honestly Eli, this is what I think. I think what calls to Bailin is, is Mortis. I was like, I think he's looking for a power that is strong. And I think if I want to think of the beginning of the force,
01:40:30
Speaker
and how it has been shown to us and who has told that story, Filoni and George, I keep going back to Mortis. I just keep going back to it. And Eli is like, I don't remember what that was. So me and him, we re-watched that arc.
01:40:47
Speaker
And part of the reason I wanted to watch the arc is because I couldn't really remember what happened to the son and what happened to the father. I knew the daughter died and I knew the daughter died saving Ahsoka. And I was like, did the son die or did he make it off? And I was trying to figure that all out.
01:41:02
Speaker
So I was like steeped in like, this is going to Mortis. I was. And when I saw the father, and then when I saw Anakin, I absolutely lost it. Because I'm thinking, when the father dies,
01:41:17
Speaker
And Anakin helps him defeat the son. The father tells Anakin that he must bring balance back to the force and that he is the chosen one. And I always, there's plenty of interviews with Filoni, always coming back to that Anakin is the chosen one, the one that will bring balance to the force, the one that can reside over the force and can keep balance with the force, not just bring it back, but keep it.
01:41:45
Speaker
And you see it in that Clone Wars Mortis episode where Anakin is able to control the son and the daughter, the light side and the dark side. And the father believes in Anakin and then passes that on to him. So I see Anakin lose his way. He becomes Darth Vader. He then comes back around and he brings balance to the forest. And now he is on this mystical place, right, needing to find, um,
01:42:15
Speaker
a son and a daughter or a light side and a dark side, right? Because he's chosen one. He's the one that's there to direct it. So he was the call to Baelin, right? He ceased to become Darth Vader, transcends into the Force, let's say five years later from the Battle of Lothal and five years of Ezra and Thrawn being on Peridia.
01:42:38
Speaker
Anakin now resides over the forest. That was the call. That was the call that made Baelin start to seek out a power. That was the call that made Thrawn and the great mothers want to leave. Anakin, being back is huge. Ow, is Anakin back, right?
01:43:00
Speaker
I don't know. Right. But that's the way I take it. That's the way I think this story goes. You have a fight between good and evil, and then you have the beings that are responsible to the force and that reside over it. And I mean, and I think that's why I'm like, man, this goes so into so many stories. It goes into the dawn of the Jedi. It goes into the mando verse. It goes into the new Jedi order. It goes into so many things because if you put Anakin back in play,
01:43:29
Speaker
It's, there's so much lore you can get into. Sorry. But I was like, because honestly, that's honestly what I was expecting. It really was like, hands down, I was expecting, I was not expecting to see Hayden, but I was expecting something to say that Anakin now resides over the force and then to see him, boy, I lost it.
01:43:59
Speaker
And then I think of like a lot of other things, like when Ahsoka's looking off in the distance and Sabine's looking off in the distance and she was like, oh, nothing. I think I saw something. It reminds me of the Rise of Skywalker when Rey is looking off into the distance right before they go on their mission and Poe comes up to her and was like, what did you see? And she was like, nothing. And they never tell us what she sees. Was Anakin there? Like.
01:44:23
Speaker
That's where my mind goes. We can get to so many different places. And then you think of like the voices that Ray hears at the end of the Rise of Skywalker, you know, Anakin's there, Ahsoka's there, like it's crazy. So it made me think like, this is exactly what I want. This is exactly what I want. Everything that I've studied and known up into this time and pulled away from,
01:44:51
Speaker
Here it comes into fruition and it felt so good. I was, I was pumped. So I, again, I, and this is, I'm with you. Like I said, I'm with you like 95%. Me too. There. Right. I, I a hundred percent agree that it's something mortise related. I don't know. Again, I haven't rewatched the mortise art.
01:45:19
Speaker
But it is something related to them, right, as far as what's being calling to Bailyn, right? 100% I'm with you. I'm with you on that one. And I think that's maybe some, the reason why the great mothers wanted to leave is because of whatever is calling to Bailyn and what I feel. Okay. So, but before I kind of give my kind of where I'm at with it,
01:45:49
Speaker
Again, I'm with you about 95% of the way and where I don't think it goes for me. Again, this is just me. I don't know if we are going to the route of
01:46:06
Speaker
Having Anakin be the father just yeah, I don't know I we could be right there a lot of things like you're saying and I I see where you I see where all that stuff is showing what you're what you're saying a hundred percent I'm with you like I get it and I wouldn't be mad at it if that's what happens right I'd be cool with if and if Anakin becomes the new father right and
01:46:31
Speaker
It's mythology, right? It's like you're saying it's it's varied a George Thing. Yes. It's a hundred percent a George thing to make Anakin Then to go beyond what he was and to become this entity that can that controls is the father, right?
01:46:53
Speaker
So I don't, but I don't know if that's, I don't believe that's where we're going. So I don't believe Anakin is the new, is going to become the new father. Again, could it happen? Yes, I am 100% with you. Cause it would be a very Filoni Lucas thing to kind of go that road with that character. But I just don't think we're, I just don't think that's where they're going. Cause I don't, I think the reason, and again, this is where maybe
01:47:21
Speaker
where I differ is that I think the reason Anakin that we see Anakin is purely just because he's the apprentice of Ahsoka and he's just watching over her, right? It could be that simple. It could be. It could be totally that simple. Yeah, just like the ending of Return of the Jedi, right? It could be that simple. Exactly. They're just there to nod and smile and say, good job, kid.
01:47:49
Speaker
But could it be deeper like you're saying? 100%, it could, it could. He could be there because that's where he as the new father is residing. 100%, I could get down with that. I just don't know if we're there just yet. And if we are though, and if that's where Filoni's going with this story, A, wouldn't mind it.
01:48:15
Speaker
But B, I think he would have to do a lot of explaining. Again, even for us nerds, to really come to terms with having Anakin become this being, right? Again, is the material there? Like you said, Ang? Oh yeah, it's there. The beats are there. You could do something like that. But I just don't know if that's,
01:48:40
Speaker
the route that Filoni would wanna go with that character. Yes, he's a chosen one, right? Yes, the father said, like you said, when you did your rewatch, he wants Anakin to bring balance. Could you argue that he did that? Well, yeah, maybe, maybe not, right? Certain point of view, you could say that he did, but again,
01:49:06
Speaker
It is interesting. All the things that you pointed out are very interesting, like threads of, well, this was connected to this. This could be that. This is what happened in mortis. It could work. And I, again, if that happens, I wouldn't mind it at all. I wouldn't, but I think that's where I, like, again, I'm with you to where Bailin is being called by something, what I believe.
01:49:32
Speaker
is what calling to Bayland, and some people have brought this up, so this isn't like an original thought by me or anything like that. I believe it's, and people have brought this name up, I believe it's pronounced Abilith, and it's the mother. The mother, the wife, the, yes. And that she is actually, again, according to Wikipedia,
01:50:01
Speaker
that she is basically kind of more engrossed in darkness and that she is, it's like chaos. So I could see that being the thing that's calling to Bailin. And I don't believe that Ahsoka and or Bailin will become the new son or daughter or anything like that. Again, if it happens that way or if that's what, you know, Anakin is there to try to do all that stuff, then cool. I'm with it 100%. You know, but Morai being on there,
01:50:31
Speaker
Interesting. I think that's very telling because I but I think it's because That this is maybe this is where Peridia Again, Bailyn called it a place of you know of dreams and madness Sounds chaos to me sounds like the mother to me So maybe this is where the father either banished her or this is maybe where they originated. I don't know
01:50:57
Speaker
That's where I go with this stuff, though. That's where I go with the Mortis stuff is that we will get more of a mythology understanding of these beings and go deeper. I don't know if we're going to get a whole new kind of reset on the whole father, you know, father, daughter, son stuff. But I again, I wouldn't hate it, but I just don't think that's where we're going just yet. But I do believe
01:51:28
Speaker
Again, just my, my, I go with the theory of that it's the mother calling out to these bees and somebody, I can't remember.
Conclusion: Mortis Mystery and Fan Speculation
01:51:40
Speaker
I think I was watching, I was watching Star Wars Explains and their, um, their live chat, which is again, guys, fun stuff. Love them. Go. Alex and my Alex and Molly are, you know, good friends.
01:51:54
Speaker
And they do great, great stuff if you already don't know that. But somebody in their chat brought up this idea, and I wish I would have wrote the name down, but it's the idea that the mother, you know, the mother that is, you know, obviously to the father, the son, and the daughter, that the mother, maybe she's super connected to the witches of Dathomir. Maybe she is like the mother.
01:52:24
Speaker
That I was like, oh, okay. I like that. I love that. I like that a lot. And if that's where we're going, yes. And that would be very interesting.
01:52:37
Speaker
Because the father says in the Ark in Clone Wars that the mother died and he took his son and daughter away from their home. And that's what he says. He says it just like that. And where they are in the Clone Wars is not on Peridia. They're like in this in between dimension or thing that unlocks and can almost present itself anywhere, right?
01:53:03
Speaker
So I, man, I love that too. That is absolutely outstanding. I mean, to be able to...
01:53:12
Speaker
keep that story going and relate it back to what we already know. I mean, from the first moment I saw the Mortis arc, I even told you, I said the story is so big and has so much consequence and intention on to the rest of the galaxy. It has to be expound upon. You have to continue to tell the story. It's huge.
01:53:38
Speaker
how can Anakin know what he did and then or know what happened on Mortis and it not affect him and the rest of the galaxy and it does like it's this nugget right the Mortis arc is a literal nugget in the middle of season three you don't even have to watch any of the Clone Wars you just have to know who Anakin and Obi-Wan and Ahsoka are and you can watch those three episodes and all of a sudden your mind opens up to
01:54:08
Speaker
Tons of things. So I love that we went. I love the minute I saw the father statue, Lauren, I lost it. I was like, here we go. And it makes so much sense because it's such a George and Filoni Dave thing.
01:54:26
Speaker
And I believe George wrote the mortise art. Yes, he did. I believe he wrote the book, correct. And he made Filoni put it in there. So it's a George thing. So if you want to get deep and crazy and midichlorians and who knows where else we're going, that's where that goes. Thanks, George. Right. Yeah. And that's pretty cool. Yeah.
01:54:54
Speaker
I did that again, didn't have it on the bingo card to have more to show up in any way in live action. I put it late on my bingo card when Balan told Shin that he was training her to be something more. That's when I, that's because the son says it to Anakin. He was like, not Sith. He was like, more.
01:55:20
Speaker
No, that's a good call on you because the eye did not have it anywhere near the bingo cards, the board. And again, when that shot came across, I was just thinking Lord of the Rings and it took me...
01:55:37
Speaker
Took me like a half hour, like I said. And then I had to pause it. I was like, those are the two things that they, you know, rode by in the river. I'm like, what are we doing here, Filoni? Are we on Gondor? Or where are we? Are we going to go see the cradles? What are we doing here? What is happening? Who has the one ring? What are we doing here, Filoni? And then again, once I...
01:56:03
Speaker
went to that part immediately when I was like, wait a minute. Cause I was talking to my buddy, Mark.
01:56:09
Speaker
and I can't remember what he said, and it triggered my mind, and that's when my brain's like, hey, goofball, hello, hello, like, go back and look at that screen, and that's when I went back, and when I paused it, I was like, wait a minute, is that? And then again, the brain's like, yeah, idiot, here you go. Remember what they were? And then that's when I was like, oh, crap, that is Mortis. That's the father, and then I saw the son, and then you see that, the broken statue of the daughter,
01:56:37
Speaker
I was like, okay, now I went from, okay, this finale was, you know, was good to like, okay, we are going places and now I'm excited. Because like you're saying, Ang, it can go in so many directions now. And let's get weird with it, right? Star Wars, go there.
01:57:00
Speaker
Go there. Be weird. Screw it. You're not a science fiction anymore. You're fantasy. Let's just be real with it. And what was great about this entire season is we were there. We were in fantasy. We had witches. We were doing magic. I mean, we were riding on wolves. It was there. In space. Space whales. Star whales' mouths. It's weird stuff, kids.
01:57:28
Speaker
Hearing that the witches used to ride the pergol. This again, let's get weird with it. So yeah, but give me more motor to stuff, right? I'm excited to see what Dave's gonna do with that. Cause that's a huge, again, that's a huge, huge Easter egg for us nerves that have been watching it. But then I go back to was that executed? And this is what I'm going to ask you, Ang.
01:57:56
Speaker
Do you think it was executed well enough so that people that again aren't familiar with it would have been like understood that? No. So that's again, that's where one of my issues and we talked about it. That's where my one of my issues comes is that you got to set that up a little bit better, but so
01:58:19
Speaker
The reason I know this is because I just spent the day with my family, my brother-in-law, my sister, niece, nephew, and my mom and my kids. And we sit down for dinner and they're like, all right, Ange, let's talk about it. Let's talk about Ahsoka. And I was like, oh my God. And I start talking about mortise and blank stares over everybody's face. Pushed your third glasses up, did we? Man, let me tell you about the lawless.
01:58:49
Speaker
Let me get out my diagram. Just pardon me. Let me be this, was it always sunny Philadelphia? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The red threads. Let's bring out the whiteboards, kids. We're getting crazy. So they are completely lost.
01:59:04
Speaker
which I can't, and everybody I've talked to about the series finale, my geekiness and what I get excited about is this part and no one knows about it. So do I feel like there could have been a lead up to it? Yeah, maybe, but I do like it how it's like, ah,
01:59:25
Speaker
Why don't you go back and look and see this? You have time to go experience this and then and then true and really pay attention to what it could mean in the future. So I'm with it either way. I felt like it was strong enough for big fans. And I thought it was enticing enough for fans. I had no idea. Yeah, I think it's one of those moments where, again, as
01:59:55
Speaker
people who are very engrossed in it, we got it immediately.
02:00:02
Speaker
But then you juxtapose it to where people that don't, like you're saying, you know, your family, my family, you have to push your nerd glasses up a bit and say, okay, let me tell you about the Mortis, right? I mean, you have to. I mean, I tried to prepare my son for it because he is a Clone Wars kid, but that arc, you can forget about it because it has nothing to do with anything that is going on during that time.
02:00:27
Speaker
So that's why I was like, it was a Friday night. I go, we're going to watch one. Then we're going to go get ice cream. And then we're going to watch the last two. And then when we got done with that, I was like, pushing on my nerd glass. What do you think? You think that's what it's going to be? You think we're going to see it? You think? But yeah, I get this. But I think like you're saying, it's intentionally done because then for people that know people like us, they're like, all right, well, what's what's the deal? And then that's where like you're saying you need to lead people.
02:00:55
Speaker
to those episodes, like okay, you don't even have to watch all of it, just watch these three. Just watch these three. I just screenshatted those episodes to Josh and sent them to him. Man, you don't gotta watch anything else, just watch these three. Just watch those three and you're gonna be like, oh, okay, I'm in, right? So I think- But what if it's nothing, right?
02:01:18
Speaker
I mean, it could just be an Easter egg of statues and then it could, we're just going to see somebody else. And I am just, you know, making my little diagram and putting pin fat, taking pictures and tying strings and bringing people around. Maybe. Let me tell you, right. It's all you. It's it's very possible. Right. But I think it's one of those moments that
02:01:49
Speaker
Again, Filoni, he does it to serve a purpose, right? He is letting us who are familiar with know, hey, guys, remember these? Remember how I sprinkle these into everything I do? Yeah, we're doing this again, kids. Let's saddle up.
02:02:07
Speaker
This is what I think. I think it's absolutely fantastic that he pulls in from all things, right? He pulls in from Clone Wars, he pulls in from Rebels, he pulls in from George, he pulls in from Legends, even though he's been well known to say that George doesn't believe in that and they're just stories. But I mean, those death troopers or those those reanimated zombie troopers, that's straight Legends. So it it's
02:02:31
Speaker
Absolutely fantastic that what Floney has done and what he is creating with the people around him is fantastic. It absolutely is. And like you're saying, it's a George thing.
02:02:54
Speaker
Like this started with George. He's the one that won the Mortis Gods, kids. So if you want to yell at somebody in your YouTube video, right? That, you know, why are we having these Mortis Gods? What's all this? Filoni doesn't know what he's doing. You can yell at George Zucasa. You're yelling at the wrong guy. If you want to get mad about it, then you shouldn't though, because this stuff is going to be fascinating moving forward.
02:03:23
Speaker
And again, and it's very sad that Ray Stevenson does not. Oh yeah. Does not get to continue the story because of his, uh, you know, um, his, his passing. It sucks. It sucks for sure. It's terrible.
02:03:42
Speaker
But I hope, and Andrew, I don't know if this is how you feel, then we'll start wrapping it up. But I am okay with, in this scenario, in this circumstance, they recast. Because I- Yeah, I'm fine with the recast. I need, like, I need to have that story told, and I don't want it to where, like, it's off screen, explained why he isn't there. He needs to be there.
02:04:09
Speaker
I think you set it up that way. You can't drop it, right? Yeah, I think there are plenty of ideas, casting ideas out there that can come to life and they'll be perfectly fine. I go back to Dumbledore in movie one and two. There's been a lot, right. And that transition was very smooth, very smooth. And I think it's possible. Right.
02:04:40
Speaker
Again, there are certain scenarios, like with Carrie, where you don't do it, I think. Yeah, you don't do it with, uh, no. But in this circumstance, I think you do it because I think I would rather have you tell the story you want to tell than to kind of change it to honor. Again, that's just a personal take, kids.
02:05:08
Speaker
I rather have them continue the story in a recast in this situation. I'm okay with it because again, he is such a fascinating character. And I think you would almost be honoring Ray Stevenson by continuing this character's journey.
02:05:27
Speaker
Again, that's just my opinion. I agree. That's my opinion. That's my opinion and as we wrap up anything else you want to talk about with Balan or Anything regarding the series overall what you got? I think Balan's intention for Shin was to have her be the light side of the force was to have her be the daughter the Representation of the light side and that's when he said I made you was wanted to
02:05:55
Speaker
Um, make you more, you weren't just a Jedi. I think that that was his intention. Um, I think like the look of her, again, like her riding on the, the light colored, uh, howler. I think, I think Bailin and Shimmer are supposed to represent the light side and the dark side of the forest. Whether we get there, I don't know, but that that's one of my somewhat theories or where I think we could have been going with this.
02:06:23
Speaker
Yeah, I don't, again, that one, again, it's all there, right? Visual context clues are there. Do I feel that's where we're gonna go with it? No, but again, if it happens, it happens, I'm not gonna be mad about it. Right, is it a soca that's the, or do we even go there? See, I don't even think we go, I don't even think we go to a new father, daughter, son, whatever, I think. I think we do. See, again, and that's fine.
02:06:53
Speaker
We're definitely going mortis route. I don't think we're gonna get a whole new like Set of these beans. I just I just I just don't think that's where we're going again. That's a Personal like I just don't think that's the story but I again I could be totally wrong and then be fine like I I
02:07:15
Speaker
I'd be okay with it. And again, for me, that line of him saying I trained you to be more, I think that to me how I took that as he trained her not to be a Jedi, right? Because before that, he was talking about the Vulcan Jedi, right? And these people teaching these padawans in the wild to become Jedi.
02:07:40
Speaker
And that's because he left the order, that's not why he was doing with Shin. He was teaching her to be something more. Now, what does that more mean though, right? That's where, again, you could really have some fun with it. And it could be multiple things, right? One of them could be, like you're saying, if it goes down that road, like you're thinking, yeah, it could be that.
02:08:06
Speaker
It could be. I just don't, I just don't go down that again. That's that 5% where I'm not with it, but I'm not totally against it, right? Like if that's where they go, we go and hold on, right? Cause that's going to be a wild ride too. So anything else you got, Ang? Nope. Man, we talked for two hours and 18 minutes, bro. This has been a long one. This is one of our longer ones. There's a lot to talk about. I think never.
02:08:34
Speaker
Only I think we've done it when we've had somebody else on when we talked about rebels rebels. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But other than that, yeah, I don't think we've done like a single two hour plus just us talking. It's this was worth it though, because this was so much. Yeah. Well, dive into. Yeah, just so much so.
02:08:54
Speaker
Yeah, again, we both enjoyed the series. Again, we're assuming season two or something else will be coming with these characters because just too much, just too much to not continue down this story.
02:09:11
Speaker
So that's it. That's a show, kids. I hope you enjoyed it. If you hung on for the two plus hours that we were talking about it, good stuff was at the end. This stuff was at the end, kids. This stuff is at the end. Maybe we'll I'll post the, you know, post some of the highlights on social media to land on this one. Hey, don't skip. Don't skip. So, all right. If you guys enjoyed this conversation, go check us out and you can follow us at the podcast at the Galactic Pod. We were on Apple Pod.
02:09:40
Speaker
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02:10:09
Speaker
John Cook's coming out with a new album. Man, what a time to be alive as a Star Wars fan and a BTS fan. That was a BTS update of the week, kids. Hope you enjoyed it. All right, as always, may the force be with you. Always. Always.