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Episode 137- Ahsoka Series Recap Eps 6-7
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Welcome to The GALactic Podcast! In this episode, Andrea and Lauren chat about Ahsoka Series episodes 6 and 7. Thrawn has arrived! Ezra has be found! More Nightsister magic! They talk these topics and much more Go listen and enjoy!
Reminder to rate and review where available! And as always, May that force be with you!
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Introduction and Acknowledgments
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This recording was done during the 2023 WGA and SAG after strike. Without the labor of the writers and actors currently on strike, the content being covered here would not exist.
Hosts Introduction and Podcast Focus
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Well, hello everyone and welcome to the Galactic Podcast. I am Lauren Romo with me as always, my cousin and fellow nerd, Andrea Gutierrez. Howdy. Greetings. Salutations. What's going on? Man, just chilling. I'm tired today. We got a lot to talk about today too. I know. I'm hoping some sort of energy pumps into me because I'm like,
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Well, we will, we will energize you with our talk today for sure. Cause we got a lot to talk about. We are talking about Ahsoka parts seven or six and seven. We're excited to talk about this show. And if you guys heard our last few episodes, you know, our thoughts up until this point.
Ahsoka Episodes Discussion Overview
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So we're ready to rock and roll and have some fun today, but
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Before we get into all that, this is your first time listening to us. Welcome. We are Star Wars podcasts that discuss anything and everything within that galaxy far, far away. In each episode, we will dive into one or two topics and have a general discussion on them. Topics could be movies, TV series, books, comments, a specific character, you name it, and we talk about it. All right, Ange. Wow. Part six and seven of Ahsoka. So we're talking about,
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Uh, it's part six is, was named far, far away. That was directed by, uh, Jennifer Getzinger in part seven was dreams and madness, which I love that title. Director was Gita Vansat Patel, who upon doing a real quick search, she did a house of the dragon episodes.
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uh, which I'm very excited. Uh, didn't know that, which I'm big fan of that show. So I loved, and I loved seven a lot. That was probably one of my favorites. And then Jennifer did a, has done, uh, many different things. She did the show candy. Uh, she did, uh, episodes of Mad Men and Westworld. So she has been in the space, uh, as well.
Favorite Ahsoka Episodes and Character Arrivals
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So two great directors, again, your writers are Dave Filoni.
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And yeah, I think for me and I'll kick us off I think this these are probably my two favorite for I think for a number of reasons one I felt That the editing and the pacing of these two episodes were probably some of the best of the series so far and we talked about that in our previous discussions where I I expressed
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that I thought the pacing for I think the first maybe three, four episodes was okay at times. It felt a little like, okay, I think you don't have to hold on to that shot as long as you did. But then I think especially with five,
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It, it, it was really, really done well. I think that was Filoni's, um, direct directorial and editing and writing debut for this series. And then, uh, these last two, six and seven, they just got, they did the thing. And then I think that's when Star Wars is at its best. That's when they just do the thing. They don't sugarcoat things. They get right to the point. Right. And I think these two episodes got to the point.
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Right. And we had two big arrivals of the of the show. You know, we had Thrawn. Thrawn's entrance was amazing. We'll talk about him in depth in a little bit. We had Ezra, who I again, I said previously, I did not think we would see him at all. I was very and I was pleasantly surprised that we did get him as early as we did.
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Thought if we did we would have gotten maybe the last episode right which I would have been fine with but again Floney wants to tell a story and he was like no we're gonna get him in episode six and far far away which Quick note. I don't know if you saw it and or if anybody else saw it, but on Star Wars Twitter account they showed a little video of back in celebration in London this year and
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Dave said on stage, you guys want to know where Ezra is, he is far, far away. What a little prankster. So if he is trolling at that high level, come on now. That's just amazing for me.
Praise for Ahsoka's Visuals and Music
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If he knew that's what the title was, that's hilarious. I love it. I mean, that's just Filoni being Filoni and it's fantastic. So yeah, I really love the, again,
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Directors were great in these two episodes. I thought visuals were great. Everything looked good. Thrawn looked great. Lars, I mean, just hearing his voice and live action as Thrawn was what I wanted, like I expected, and it was fantastic. Again, it just, it was what I was hoping for.
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It met my expectations as far as what the story is telling. And I'm loving what they're doing so far with this story. And again, Iman as Ezra Bridger was fantastic. He encapsulates that character very, very well. And again, we'll touch on that a little bit later on.
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But those are kind of my overall thoughts. Again, the music is always kind of just absolutely killing it with the music for this show. It's so good. It's so, so good. And I will throw to you now your overall thoughts, feelings, moments that, you know, caught your attention. What do you got? Talk to me.
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Yeah, I absolutely loved these two episodes. Six though, I came out a little grouchy, to be honest. I was really mad with, we'll talk about it, but I didn't really like Thrawn's look. I feel like I needed to be warmed up to it like a little bit, but we'll get into that later.
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rewatching, I guess it's just the difference of going from animation into live action and the expectation of what you think you're going to see to what you do see. It can, like we've said this before, it's a little jarring and it takes a minute to get used to. I had a huge bitch fest about the way he looked after the first time I watched it. I actually worked that night. So I went in at one in the morning
Theories and Philosophical Discussions on Characters
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and I was like, rah.
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And then I went back home and I watched it again. I was like, ah, it's not that bad. What's wrong with me? I was so thrilled to see Ezra and Ezra the way we somewhat like expected him to be, right? Like living off the land, being a part of the force, being a part with creatures. In a nomad. I mean, yeah, it was cool. Yeah, it was so great.
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Bordezo's performance on Sabine is just always so good, always so great. And then Balan leaves so many crumbs for us to just keep following along and wanting more.
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I don't know. I've been like over this since last Tuesday, I've been watching a lot of Clone Wars trying to maybe piece together like what is missing and what Bailin wants so bad.
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Um, so I don't know, it's, it's very intriguing. It's very thought provoking. It's, it's all the things that we've been saying about this series again and executed perfectly. Uh, the, like you said, like the pacing of these episodes was very, very good. And these two directors are very experienced in, in TV. So I think that's what was helpful. Um, they were just really great episodes.
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It, I mean, if, if we get into like six, like just that intro of the playfulness of Ahsoka and Huyang talking about the three parts of the galaxy's history and the joke of the part one is the best and probably taking a stab at us fans, thinking that we can grade one.
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trilogy or one episode over another. You think there was? Do you feel like, heck yeah. Heck heck yeah. I see people talk about that and I don't know. I mean. I felt it immediately when she was like, part one being the best and I was like, what is she doing there? I see I didn't, I guess I didn't take it that way at all. I know, totally yeah. It's interesting, interesting. Because as many people have, I've seen many people talk about that for sure. Yeah. But that conversation on its own was a little surprising to me where
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Huyang, well Ahsoka tells Huyang that she saw that Sabine went with the enemy willingly, and Ahsoka says that maybe she didn't prepare her enough to make the correct choice, which I thought was interesting considering that last time we talked, we talked about how maybe Ahsoka was a little bit more
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Jelling along with the ways of the force and that that statement kind of made me think like oh Maybe she's still a little bit stuck in her own way like she feels like she can She can coke someone to do the right thing or she has more control over the situation than she thinks
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But I think who you came back with a really good lesson of it was only choice that to be new and the force provides you with information and you do what you can. So that was really awesome. And then to do the the a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. That was that was really cool. What an opening.
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I could watch that little part over and over again. It was so great. It was so good. And Huyang has just become such a great character and valuable to the Jedi, which he always has been. And a lot of us just weren't really familiar with that. So, man.
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Yeah, I really liked all of, I mean, I liked it. The entire time I'm watching this, I'm thinking, man, this is what it's all about. It's threads coming from the Clone Wars, threads coming from Rebels. It's all this stuff that we knew and loved and knew was important and should have been a part of the next storytelling and now it is. So it's just fantastic. Yeah, I like
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And again, well said. I I like how they are connecting a lot of the Clone Wars rebels, just like you said. But then they're also giving us new stuff, new lore to think on, to ponder on. Again, you talk about Bailin, we'll get we'll get into him in a minute. But I mean, his whole character is just fascinating. Like I.
00:11:54
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I just don't know what to make of him. And that's, I think that's what makes me intrigued is because he's not your typical villain, quote unquote. And I think that's the whole point, right? He's not, he's not supposed to be. And then again, the new lore stuff. I mean, we get, again, we'll talk about this as well as the great mothers and all this Dathomirian witches and all this. Like he is building upon Dave Floney with this storytelling
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building upon what you what you're talking about Ang clone wars rebels expanding that lore Connecting it and then connecting it to The newer stuff right or these giving us threads and making new threads. It's just it's it's fascinating It's good storytelling for me. This is why I think this is one of my favorite series so far from start like that we've gotten out of this era of Star Wars and
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And I, I am very excited to see how this concludes. And we'll get to that at the very end, because I think there's going to, I just, yeah, we'll, we'll get to that. Cause I think it's fascinating what, you know, where we could go from here. And that's one thing I've enjoyed a lot about this show so far as well, is the fact that I don't, I don't know. We don't know like that, that has been,
Thrawn's Narrative Role and Adaptability
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A very fun part for me is not knowing, not being able to know. Like, again, I was wrong. Like, I was like, we're not gonna see Ezra anytime soon, if any, no. Loni's like, nope, here you go. You know, and we got Thrawn, you know, we talked about that, about getting Thrawn earlier and not waiting maybe for the last two episodes. We got him in six, which was great. And that's what I was hoping for. And his entrance did not disappoint. So let's get to him, Ange.
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You brought it up. I want to hear your thoughts on, again, I know you said at first, he had a little bit of an issue. Explain, go ahead, what was kind of your process through that, you know, seeing him in live action. Again, juxtapose it to rebels and what we've seen before. What do you got?
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So every image we've ever seen of Thrawn prior to this moment, let's say it's comic or just an illustration based off of a novel or in animation, he has been very fit, right? And he has been known to be somewhat of a warrior as well too. Like he can handle himself in hand-to-hand combat. He trains.
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He is fierce, right? Is how I envision him. And that's maybe even the way I would describe him to someone that's never seen him before. And it's almost like, man, just wait till you see this guy. He's a badass. He can hold his own. He's a tactician. He's everything. He's the whole package. And then he comes walking out, and he's got this gut. And I was like, what? I was like,
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What? I kind of had a feeling that's where you're going with this. And I was like, don't shoot him from that angle. It don't look good. Because it looked fine. But when you did that profile at side angle, I was like, oh my god. What is going on? What is going on? And then I was like, you know what? That's just some bull crap because I know that, hang on, let me get all the way through this before anybody thinks I'm doing it. I'm slighting anybody or anything like that.
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I was thinking, you know, we always talk about, like, the voice package has got to meet the presentation package, right, as well, too. And Lars Mikkelsen's voice is completely important, but the look needed to be there as well, too, and everybody thought, like, the look was there. But to see it in its entirety, I was like, it's not. And I'm like, why didn't they fix that? Why didn't they make sure he was fit?
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And then I go back to like watching footage of Lars Mikkelsen. He's not a big guy. So it's almost like this added weight that they put on the throne was completely intentional, which I thought was very strange. It was very, very strange to me because I'm thinking he's on this.
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outside galaxy planet. He's not sitting on a couch eating potato chips. The food is scarce. I'm sure he still honors all these things. Why does he look like that? I was so worked up about it.
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And I still can be like at times because I'm sorry, when I envision him, I think of him in comic book fashion, animation fashion. He's fit. He has broad shoulders. He almost looks like Balan is was my expectation of what I was going to see. Yeah. Yeah. So, um.
00:16:43
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it really bothered me for a while, which was messed up because the intro was so cool, like coming from the back, the troopers chaining Thrawn, the way Enoch looked, it was so freaking awesome. And then to turn around and then all of a sudden it wasn't the Thrawn I was expecting, it was a little jarring. So I really am wondering like,
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Why did they put him in that Imperial looking officer look? Because he does look very Imperial. Every Imperial officer we've known to look looks like that. Let's be honest. But not Thrawn. He was supposed to be the difference. He was supposed to be like,
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Um, something that was menacing tactitionally and physically. So I just, I still can't wrap my brain around why that was a choice because it obviously was, but why, why, why, why, why? I don't get it. I get it. I don't, I don't get it. I really don't know. That's interesting that you bring that up because that was my first, I had a similar reaction.
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to when we saw him, but it didn't bother me as much as it bothered you. And I think for me, again, it's because of Lars and his voice. For me, that was more of the, you have to nail that. The look, I could look past it,
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Because I know as animation, as we know, and you kind of brought it up, Ange, it's hard to translate the look.
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And I get where you're coming from though as well, whereas if you've read, if you've seen in the art, if you've seen Rebels, you know, and even in that show, you see him working out with those robots and everything like that. So I get where you're coming from for sure. And again, I had that reaction as well, but then it was a fleeting thought and then it went away because
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Again, Lars' voice, for me, that, again, that was it for me. That was the key. You get the voice.
00:19:06
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I don't care how he looks painted in blue, like whatever, I can look past all of that because I needed the voice to be that menacing voice for me. Again, that's all I cared about. It kind of like reminded me of like the first time we saw Ahsoka, we're like, oh, it's good enough, but it's off, right? It could be better. It's kind of like the way I think about it now, like there can be improvements going forward, I think.
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Um, but it is what it is now. And yeah, you're right. The voice is, is key in the way he speaks in the, the cadence to his voice and the way he enunciates things is, is, is where it's important and.
00:19:52
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That part just allows you to be like, all right, I'm finally seeing Thrawn in live action. And then finally, I'm like, holy crap, this is Thrawn in live action. This is huge. And he's on the chimera, and he has troopers surrounding him. And he has this new right-hand man that looks cool as hell.
00:20:12
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I was like a Transformer and I love it for that. We'll talk about that. And I was like, and he's got a little war map area and it's all great. Like, it's all perfect. And, you know, like later where he takes a loss, but he doesn't see it as a loss. And he says that our first battle against Soka Tano might be counted as a loss. So he expects to fight her again or her to be an adversary again against him. So it was all perfect, right?
00:20:42
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Once I got past the initial of, I wasn't expecting him to look like that, but if that's the way he looks, then that's the way he looks and I'm okay with that. But it just does, I'm just like, man, why is that intentional? I just don't get it. Yeah, I don't. And I'd have to look at pictures too. I don't know. As far as my memory, when I saw Lars watching like the celebration stuff, he was a taller, thinner guy. Yeah. We don't know.
00:21:12
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As far as I remember, right. Correct. I get you. It's it was a little bit. That's a choice. I want to feel like you're saying is an intentional choice. It must be if it if
Bailin's Motivations and Dynamics with Shin
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it if that's the case. But again, for me, and just like you were just saying, like, it's the voice, you had to nail the voice and he is the perfect
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guy for that voice, like you're saying, his cadence, his delivery of just saying Sabine Wren and like, it's just so good. I love it. It's so good. To hear him say Sabine Wren and Ezra Bridger, it's just so good.
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right i mean it's just like we've heard it so many times as rebels fans and just to hear it in live action it's just it was it was fantastic it was fantastic the one thing like the one line that i love that he presented pretty pretty much sums up the way asoka feels about this whole thing as well too is when he says the desire to be reunited with reunited with your long-lost friend how that singular focus will reshape our galaxy that is
00:22:24
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Exactly. That is maybe the theme, maybe the point, maybe selfishness, self-centeredness, I don't know, but that drive and Bailin says about Sabine blinds her and can help them is pretty much the focus on everybody right now, Ahsoka included, and probably even Sabine as well, but she doesn't want to be as forthcoming about it as we can tell because she
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She doesn't want to give any details to Ezra about how she got there because she feels ashamed and she probably feels guilt. So everybody's on the same page. Sabine really messed up a little bit, but it could pay off or not. That's kind of like where I'm at when these episodes ended. It's like, will this pay off? Will Sabine's mistake be fixed? I don't know. Right. And again, for Thrawn,
00:23:18
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knowing that she was the prisoner. And I love that. Yeah, that little whole scene of they brought a prisoner. He asked the great mothers who, again, we'll get we'll get to in a minute, kids. But he asked them, you know, you didn't see that, you know, you didn't you didn't give me aware awareness that you knew they were like, you know, it was a an unknown thread thread. And then, you know, when
00:23:50
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Morgan Elsbeth says it was Sabine Renn and his whole, now there's a familiar name. I'm just like, yeah, yeah. I did so much. But it was that, at that moment though, again, as Thrawn fans, you knew he was already thinking, man. He was like, okay.
00:24:09
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We have Sabine. I have Ezra. We ship her. And again, it was just like so quick. I give her what she wants. She goes far away. I can get what I want. Buys me time. And then I'm, you know, there's going to be stranded. And dude, Thrun knows Ezra's alive. Oh, he has to. Maybe knows it.
00:24:31
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He knows it and he knows exactly where it's at. He's at and he's keeping him at a distance because he's probably been picking off his troopers this entire time. And he just knows Ezra is alive and knows he probably can't get off this planet if Ezra is close to their whereabouts. So he knows he's so smart. I love that guy. And he knew that if anybody would
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kind of bring him out of his hiding, it would be Sabine. So I mean, he knew that, OK, I'll send her because if anything can get Ezra out of where he is, it would be reuniting with her for sure. He knows that he knows that it's just insane how smart this guy is for sure. Like, oh, it's so good.
00:25:25
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For him to, again, if you go back to his history, especially with rebels, he was always, and still is, I think the smartest guy in the room, for sure. Like we've talked about, he's a tactician. But the one thing that always, I think, baffles him is when he doesn't know the unknown.
00:25:53
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When what I'm speaking about is in season three with the Ben do right he is not aware of of that type of Entity right he knows of the force But he didn't know of the Ben do right it's like the when he is not aware that's obviously right that that hinders him But I like that he is using magic
00:26:21
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Dark Sister, you know, which magic now, because it's something that he's probably has never had the access to. Right. But now he's using it to the best of his abilities as far as, you know, for his personal gain and all that. Like, I just love that he is.
00:26:43
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adapting to obviously his surroundings and whatever deal he made with these great mothers, I'm interested to find that out, you know?
00:26:54
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I think it could be a little bit of a disadvantage for him though. Like when you notice when they say, when they said like, there's a prisoner and he seemed surprised, which he usually is not. And he was like, you did not speak of this. It's almost like he's put at a disadvantage when he wants to use their magic to tell the future. Like he's almost believing in it too much.
00:27:20
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That's where he's not giving himself the options he normally would in case a situation changes. And let's be honest, if you read a Thrawn book, Thrawn is never surprised, never. So the fact that he was, it was quite interesting. I thought it was very telling. No, it's a really good point. It's a really good point. I'm just fascinated with this idea of him making a deal with
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these Nightsisters, the great mothers, which again, the voice, I'm pretty sure I'd had to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure that was like the voice of Mother Townsend, like the person that did it. So that was very, very cool. And they had it again to the T where it was like, you hear like a female voice, but also like a male voice in the background too, like
00:28:15
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It's just fast like that. I'm so glad we're getting more Night Sister stuff. They remind me of the Benny Jezret from Dune. Oh, okay. That's a good call. That's a really good call. I like that. I like that. I'm just so glad we're getting more because we don't have, we haven't explored that side of it in a great, great detail, right? We got it in Clone Wars and in, and in some,
00:28:45
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novels you know but to have it in live action it's a totally different ballgame and I love that that Floney is pulling this thread of Night Sisters of you know using their magic and it's just oh I just love it I just love that we're going down this road because it's just something that we haven't seen in live action and we're exploring it
00:29:14
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And I find their whole like coven or whatever they're called. I don't even know. Fascinating. And again, but I like how they are even like you just brought up. They don't know everything though, as much as Thrawn assumes or they assume they know everything, right? They don't. So the, the unknown variables will always be there. But I think like, like you were just saying though, Ang, I think one, one thing Thrawn is good at is adapting.
00:29:44
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Right. Once he knows he can adapt and he adapts quickly. And that's where he can change his whole, you know, operation. And to the point of, you know, when he notices Bailyn isn't where he's supposed to be. He kind of immediately re has his team retreat because I think now he's like, all right, now I have to worry about him because he's an unknown. Interesting.
Character Development and Future Speculations
00:30:10
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He never really trusted him either. I don't, I don't think.
00:30:14
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So were you, were you surprised when he said general bail in school? Oh yeah. That was me too. We'll get the bail in a little bit, but yeah. Interesting. Again, that's Thrawn doing his homework though, right? Like that is Thrawn doing his homework, but I would, I would guess that somehow he knew that Morgan was bringing him.
00:30:41
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Somehow I would think so right and that's how he got like and he obviously did his you know His research like he was doing on Ahsoka Is that what you're thinking too? That's kind of where I'm I'm guessing That I mean, I don't know. I feel like he must have interact not interacted with him, but It just seemed interesting right because you think of generals you think of Jedi masters Jedi. No Walker general Kenobi, right? Um
00:31:11
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It just seemed interesting to me. Like I kind of thought like he was a Jedi at the temple during the Clone Wars, but not a general, not on the front of the battle and not known by Thrawn. So it was really interesting. Yeah, again, him just knowing things is always fascinating.
00:31:33
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And that was one of my favorite parts too was when he asked Morgan to give him the town of Dossier. And then he was like, so her master was Skywalker, Anika Skywalker. And you knew right away his wheels were already turning like, son of a bee, man, that guy. This is his padawan. Oh, great.
00:31:56
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Like he already knew and he was like number one. Impulsive. But he already knew him. That's when he told Morgan like he was unpredictable and that makes, you know, him dangerous. And this is why Ahsoka is dangerous. Because if she's anything like him, she's going to be unpredictable and she's going to be dangerous.
00:32:16
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So like he's already mentally preparing. Like I just, I love that about him. Like he just know, he just knew once he saw Skywalker, like he was like, Oh crap. Like this is, this is something that we got to worry about a hundred percent for sure. Anything else Angie want to talk about the great mothers anymore on throne that you have thoughts on any, anything else? What you got? No. Um, I mean,
00:32:46
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I mean, I know we're going to talk about predictions, but I truly believe that Thrones going to make it out of this galaxy. Yeah, the entire galaxy like yeah, it's not even a question to me like I would be surprised if he doesn't I would I would too like
00:33:01
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I don't think the battle ends here on Peridia. I am fully believing that he is going to escape off Peridia and become an opponent against the New Republic. In somehow, some way, right? I feel like that's the purpose of it, right? We're setting up for Filoni's movie. I feel like this is kind of the...
00:33:26
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the beginning of that? I think we're setting up for a lot of movies, to be honest, because we're going to get to Bailin in a minute, but he's obsessed with the beginning, right? And we know that there's possibly a movie in the works for the Dawn of the Jedi. So there's just this show has so much potential to create such great work off of it. So let's get to Bailin, man, because he is a trip
00:33:55
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Yeah. He has real quick though. I want to do go back real quick to Thrawn and Enoch. Yeah. Favorite guy. Love that his like his stormtrooper helmet is like an actual face. Yeah. Very cool. And I love that his voice is a transformer.
00:34:12
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That's all I have on Enoch. He's coolest. He is coolest. I like when he says die well. Yeah, that was a great line. Die well. Just die well. In a transformer voice, I loved it. It's good stuff. Again, the whole Night Troopers, fascinating. Yeah, everybody thought maybe they were reanimated by the Night Sisters. They're not. They're just stupid troopers that get shot very easily and run around and talk to themselves.
00:34:42
Speaker
And then real quick, again, the chimera. Yeah. What a sight that that shot was amazing. And you see the damage being repaired. You see that under the ship is the chimera symbol. Like it was really, really cool to see that kind of all come come about again, knowing how damaged it was at the end of rebels to see how much they've had to repair it and probably how long that has taken.
00:35:10
Speaker
I mean, they've been there a long time. I mean, I know they're in the other galaxies, so I would assume time moves the same, but I don't know because, I mean, I've seen Interstellar and I know things are different when you go to different places. I don't think that's how it works in Star Wars, but yeah. I mean, George has always said time is time. If it's morning in one planet, it's morning in the other planet. So I would assume if it's been 10 years, then it's been 10 years.
00:35:39
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, that would be my assumption as well. We're like, cause we are at this point nine, it was a nine years ish removed from the battle of Endor now. I think somewhere around there. I thought it was like five or three. I mean, eight eight or something. Mando was started at five, right? Season one, I believe it was five years post return to the Jedi.
00:36:09
Speaker
Do I have to go grab my timelines book? No, I don't have to, but I mean, I think, I think we are roughly anywhere between five, I say five to eight years post return of the Jedi. I think is my guess. Yeah. I think we're 10 years from Lothal battle Lothal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That makes a year before a new hope. Then four years. Did I just disconnect my good? No, you're good. You're good. I can still hear. All right.
00:36:39
Speaker
I think we're 10 years. I'm going to give a nice solid round number. Yeah. From the thought, I would say, yeah, no, I agree. I agree with you. I think when they left. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Concluding Thoughts on Star Wars Universe
00:36:48
Speaker
That makes sense. And we know this is post real quick post Mando season three, because the battle of mandalor happened. We got that little reference in that very cool Senate ish scene real quick. Senator Ziano, don't like you. You can go away.
00:37:08
Speaker
3PO was cool. Like I wasn't like, Oh my God. Like it was cool though. Like it was cool. I mean, it's always fun to see C3PO, Anthony Daniels, you know, whatever. That's fine. Like he's an OOG character that will probably show up in almost anything. Yeah. A, Daniels will do it. B, it's easy because he's a droid. So, but yeah, I liked all that stuff though. Any thoughts on that real quick before we go to Bailin?
00:37:37
Speaker
Uh, I liked that chopper was about to, uh, wreck shop. Yeah. When he said mere droid, I loved it. Such a good touch. That's one thing. I hope we get to see like our chopper be chopper and rec, rec some shop. Like I, I, I'm excited to see that down the road for sure.
00:38:00
Speaker
I think seeing that scene kind of solidifies that Thrawn's going to make it out of Paridia and to the New Republic because I mean, Hera's betting money on it, you know? She's saying you really have to expect for the worst and hope for the best. So, I mean, of course he's coming. There's no way. I just don't think they're going to prevent him from getting to that opponent.
00:38:27
Speaker
Again, I would be very surprised for sure. And the one person, again, there's obviously a few people that Thrawn said, you know, no matter what, if they either die or we leave them here, obviously Azeroth Sabine, and then he did actually mention Baelin and Shin. So let's talk about Baelin because he is the most fascinating character, I think, on this show.
00:38:55
Speaker
His motives are so like, I just don't know. And that's kind of refreshing in many ways because again, they could have went prototypical. He just wants power, right? He wants, he wants like all the power. He wants like, you know, sith and all that.
00:39:18
Speaker
I don't think it has to do with anything like that. And a lot of things I think point to that, especially in these last two episodes, him and Shin talking were some of the best dialogue. I mean, he talks about seeing the Jedi Temple burn, being there, and then talking about the cycle that just never ends.
00:39:44
Speaker
You know, the fall of the Jedi, the rise empire, you know, when you look at history, just repeats itself like, and he wants to stop that, but it's just, I don't want, like the whole reasons why he wants to stop it and how he's going to stop it are very unclear to me. And then even with, you know, with Shin too, like her,
00:40:09
Speaker
Her path, like he said later on in episode seven, like, you know, your ambition drives you one way, I am pulled another way. You know, so again, are they at odds or are they just, you know, their relationship I think is becoming a little more fascinating to me as well. But yeah, Bailin is just such a, you know, he's just a fascinating character. And, you know, when Shin asked him about the order,
00:40:39
Speaker
And, you know, do you miss it? And he's like, I miss the idea of it. So it's like, what do you like, what? And he's like, not the truth, not the truth and the weakness. And then he just, there was no future there. He said, which, which he was totally right. I mean, he's anybody in the chat. Is he wrong? No, he's not. He's not wrong. Like what they were doing back then.
00:41:06
Speaker
And we know this because of Clone Wars and everything. Yeah, dude, it was not going well. And again, he has talked about betrayal from the Order, right?
00:41:21
Speaker
He talks about wanting or feeling something that is like calling to him. What is he talking about? He talks about what, you know, Shin brings up this idea of, you know, the Nightsisters or the Great Mothers really want to get out of here, you know, and he's in, you know, Bailin's point of like, they must fear what they, what they either, what he's sensing maybe.
00:41:48
Speaker
You know, and then again, Shin, you know, talking about power and, you know, he says that, that, you know, are we looking kind of for power? Like, like Thrawn is like taking control. And he's like, and I love his line of that's a fleeting thing. You know, like, it's just, he's such a freaking fascinating character. And it does. You mentioned, you talked about this last episodes too, Ange.
00:42:15
Speaker
Ray Stevenson passing away. Man, that is just again. Thoughts and prayers still to, you know, all to his family, everything. I I would it just I hope. They either again, he they wrapped this up with his character in a way, which again, we'll talk about because I think they might or if they continue on, I'm OK with that because I think his character.
00:42:44
Speaker
is fascinating enough to where I want more. Or if they give me all the backstory now, I want it all. Like he's just a fascinating, fascinating character. And it's just him and Shin. You know, again, Shin's motives are very kind of interesting because she seems to be more on that kind of power like Thrawn, which again, to Baelin, it's more of that type of power is fleeting.
00:43:14
Speaker
You know, so she she she's very interesting in her motives as well. So. And she talked to me about Bailin, Shin, all that. What do you got? What's your thoughts? Yeah, coming out of episode seven. After Bailin like kind of turned his back on Shin and let her go off on.
00:43:37
Speaker
this mission that seemed to be the same mission both of them were on in the first place and then all of a sudden he changes. I was just left with like a, what? What is going on? This is crazy. What is his intention? What is his need? You brought it up when they were
00:44:01
Speaker
Shin and Beelan were talking and Shin says that this place was a wasteland. And Beelan says that he clearly sees that it was once the great kingdom of the Doth Mary. And like you said, like she says, they're eager to leave here. And he says, perhaps they feel a power greater than their own. And he said, something calls to me, can't you hear it? Something stirs here, can't you see it? What is it, right?
00:44:28
Speaker
And I don't want to speculate. I want to be like, Oh, it's this, but I think the answer is in everything we've ever watched before, to be honest, because I don't think Filoni and George are going to come up with this new thing that, um, calls to him. So I think of things like the Ben do, I think of things like mortise. I think of things like the son and the daughter and the father, I think of like all that, that type of stuff. Um, cause if you think of like the beginning, right?
00:44:58
Speaker
That even kind of trips me out as well too when he says he wants to go back to the beginning. The one thing that's been around since the beginning that's still here is Hu Yang. So...
00:45:09
Speaker
It's like, what is this that he desires? And how can he create something that doesn't fall back into the cycle of great power, breaks into factions, then fights itself, and then repairs itself, and then does it all over again? Like, it just seems impossible. So it's gonna be really fascinating when we find out what this is.
00:45:35
Speaker
Because it just doesn't seem possible, to be honest. I mean, in the reality of what is real life, and then what even is in Star Wars life, to be able to break that cycle just doesn't seem possible. Because for what we know in the future, it isn't.
00:45:49
Speaker
So it's definitely like a power greater than any of us know of. So I go back to Mortis and I go back to like Anakin calling the brother Sith and even the brother says they are more than that, more than Jedi, more than Sith.
00:46:08
Speaker
So I don't know. It seems impossible. Whatever he wants, I can't predict it because it just seems unrealistic that he's going to be able to find a new beginning. And I think that's really awesome storytelling.
00:46:26
Speaker
But it's also somewhat frustrating, like, you know, on a on a fan's end, because it's just like, I just don't know. I feel I feel lost. I feel lost. Like when it comes to Beilin, I feel like I can't keep up with his thought process. He's a little too advanced for me, which I think that's why it makes him such a good character, too. Yeah, absolutely. And when he sees Ahsoka, you know, when she she gets out of the she jumps off of the ship and she's there.
00:46:56
Speaker
And she says, like, what, like, oh, you thought I was dead or what does she say? She says like, hang on, I wrote it down. Like, are you surprised or something? I think that's what she said. Yeah, she said, oh, disappointed. And he said no, like very abruptly. He said, however, I can't afford to let you interfere. He values Jedi, but values power.
00:47:26
Speaker
None of that is ever going to is just like a straight contradiction. I just don't I don't get it. I think it's for me, like when he talks about the beginning, I think what he's seeking is. From kind of how I how I am interpreting what he's saying is that. You know, it's not it's the beginning of the beginning of the end, the beginning of breaking that cycle, right? Like you can't. Well, right. To your point.
00:47:57
Speaker
Is that even something that he can accomplish? No, I don't think he can. I don't, and I think, again, I think that's the point is that this cycle is forever repeating itself, right? Like that's just part of it. I wonder if we go into the, the night sister magic a little more with what he is looking for. Like if it's, if it's that, like if it's more deep rooted into
00:48:27
Speaker
that lore, which I'm here for, because I think, you know, you start with the great mothers and they are taking whatever they're taking from the catacombs, those coffin-like, you know, things.
00:48:48
Speaker
I don't know if they're like the remains of their other great mother. I don't know. Again, I can't even speculate on that because I really, I have no idea. Right. No clue, which again is exciting and they're clearly important to them. And it was part of the deal that they're helping Thrawn was that he is transporting them somewhere for them.
00:49:15
Speaker
Right. And I don't know if it's, again, and Shin could be right when she says, you know, they're leaving because of whatever Bailin's feeling. Maybe that's just, again, maybe that's just their gas, but maybe not. Maybe they just want to get off the planet so they can, you know, rule with Thrawn too, right? Like it, it might not be that
00:49:38
Speaker
thing where they're leaving because of whatever else is on the planet. I don't, they've been there for thousands and thousands. Clearly, as Morgan said, they've been there for thousands and thousands of years. That's their home, you know, where they originated from the, the, the night sisters, the witches. So I don't know if it's the planet or something in the planet that scares them. I don't think it's that, but something again is calling to Baylin.
00:50:09
Speaker
And I'm just, I'm fascinated to find out. I mean, I don't know if they'll, I don't know if it could be anything related to the, to the emperor coming back. I don't think so. Stupid. Right. And I agree if that's the case, I don't want it to be that way, but I'm just saying again, like you said, or like you pointed out, Ang, I don't think they're going to bring a whole new thing in.
00:50:37
Speaker
they'll tie it to something that we are already aware of or at least mention, right? Yeah, like the witches or I always go back to Mortis and the representation of the force, right? The representation of the force, the three, right?
00:50:58
Speaker
That is the beginning. There's three mothers, so yeah. I mean, it could be something to that too as well. I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised at all. But Balan is a very fascinating character. And I want everything on him now. I want who his master was, what battles was he in in Clone Wars? I want all the Balan stuff now.
00:51:27
Speaker
because he is that interesting of a character. And I really, and I, here's a kind of a fascinating or interesting question. I've people, I've seen people bring it, bring it up. But like, if you, if you brought in Bailin and let's say Qui-Gon and Dooku, I think those three kind of on the same page in many respects.
00:51:56
Speaker
Maybe they see it in a little bit different views, but the notion or the idea that they felt that the Jedi Order was kind of fleeting, I think all three of them were on that kind of wavelength. Do you agree, disagree? What do you think about that? Yeah, I think
00:52:22
Speaker
Like when you think of Dooku and Qui-Gon, you think of their resistance to being soldiers and being a part of the war and the Jedi losing their way. And it seems like that's the same way Balan is as well, too, because he calls it weakness. And he says like he missed the truth, the truth of what a Jedi should have been, not a warrior, what they all were made to be.
00:52:52
Speaker
So yeah, I think he comes along the line of, of, of those types of Jedi. So who's the other guy that used to hang out with them? Averas, remember? And, um, well, there's also Saifodias, but, um,
00:53:09
Speaker
I don't know. It is really fascinating, just like you say, because it's like, who was he hanging out with? Who was his master? What battles was he in? Where was he during Order 66? And then he brings up this whole idea too of Vulcan Jedi, which I love. I like this whole idea.
00:53:35
Speaker
Yeah, I thought that that part was awesome. And then, you know, and then for Shin to be like, oh, is that what I am? She has no idea like what she is. And he says, no, they're Jedi. And I've trained you to be more than that. Right. Kind of like going back to like what the sun said. No Jedi, no Sith more than that. No, I yeah, I.
00:53:58
Speaker
I like how they kind of have like a title for it now. Like these Jedi posts, Order 66 are called Boken Jedi. Again, very cool. I love all, I love that little, again, added to the lore information that we got. And yeah, just like you said, though, it's fascinating that he said, you know, that Shin was like, oh, so like me, but he was like, no, I trained you to be something different and something more.
00:54:27
Speaker
So again, it's the end again, it goes back to he. But then he gives up on her so quickly. Yeah, it's so crazy. And he still has this again, like we kind of talking about he still has this infatuation with the Jedi Order in a way. But he feels like it should have been a different way. And that's again, that seems to be like the driving kind of mentality of his is that
00:54:54
Speaker
The Jedi Order should have been a different way and maybe what he's seeking, he feels like that is, will get him there and that will break this cycle. Somehow, someway, I don't, again, you don't, I just, I, you just don't know what this guy, or with Shin. Because even when she, she leaves him to go fight Ezra and Sabine, who we'll get to in a little bit, in, in a little bit, you know, and she kinda gets defeated and then,
00:55:22
Speaker
Like he leaves her, right? Like you said, Bailyn says, you know, that's, you have this mission, go find your place in the new empire. I have a different path. Right? So it was almost like I'm leaving you. My part of the, my part of the last words are basically don't be impatient or you're going to lose.
00:55:42
Speaker
Right. Which is almost a very Jedi thing to say. Right. Patience. Have patience. That's what Obi-Wan told Anakin all the time. Yoda to Luke. Right. Luke to Rey. Patience. Right. Like that's it again. He's such a fascinating character. I just I'm so excited to see where where his story ends or if it doesn't because I feel like it will eventually.
00:56:13
Speaker
But again, yeah, but Shin, to go back to her real quick, Soka kind of gave her a little bit of a peace offering. And I don't know, you could maybe argue that she thought about it for a hot second and then left, right? Because again, she gets abandoned by her master. And then Thrawn basically is like, well, I'm gonna get all my troops.
00:56:38
Speaker
Shin, good luck. You can do whatever you want. I don't care about you, clearly, right? So like, now it's like, well, where does she go? I think, obviously I think she's going back to Balan. They're gonna go at least try to find him. That'd be my guess. But do you think, do you think she will eventually go with Ahsoka maybe? Cause here's, this is where I'm going with this whole Balan stuff.
00:57:05
Speaker
is that I think either A, he's, I do feel like he's not gonna make it out of this first season. I think either A, Thrawn being Thrawn, right, sees him as a, as an enemy now, right, because he basically like left whatever playing Thrawn had and he didn't follow it.
00:57:29
Speaker
So I wonder if Thrawn will send people after him and then Shin will see that, like see him dive on those hands and then maybe she goes to Ahsoka for guidance. Or I do wonder if Shin will betray him because there's been moments where like she has kind of almost, not doubted him, but kind of questioned like, hey, like for instance, like, hey, you gave Sabine your word.
00:58:00
Speaker
Right. And then when, you know, Duran says you can follow them and kill them. She was like, wait a minute. That's. That wasn't the deal that you made with her. So I, again, the, the, the, those, these two are going to be really interesting to see what happens. What's your thoughts on all that though? And what do you, what do you got? Um.
00:58:19
Speaker
I don't know. I feel like they're going to be collateral damage is the way I see it. I agree. Yeah, definitely. I think whatever power Baelin is seeking is going to destroy him. I think. Yeah, Shin could possibly, you know, come around. I don't think it's necessary or needed. I just I just don't.
00:58:46
Speaker
I just think they're going to be collateral damage, which is disappointing because they're a great dynamic and a great set of characters that have really a whole following has come about just because of them. I don't think it was planned that they're going to get rid of Bailin because of what happened with Ray Stevenson. Oh, right. I agree. Not at all.
00:59:13
Speaker
And I think people think like, oh, well, of course he doesn't, uh, he's going to die at the end because that's stupid. Like whatever. Right. If we're following how the story is going, it does almost seem like he won't. That's based on the storytelling. And someone had said, I think maybe I was watching like a Star Wars Explained livestream that he was going to kind of like Indiana Jones himself, right? Like where you, you go after that power, you, you seek to fix everything and it ends up destroying you. Like. Which it would make sense. Yeah.
00:59:44
Speaker
And it'd be a very kind of Star Wars II Indiana Jones thing, right? Which would be very cool again, like Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, and again, I just wonder what How that will affect shin right is it what is the power? Right and that's again. That's a part of why I think this is such a fascinating Characters because you really don't know his motivations are so
01:00:11
Speaker
sporadic, I guess, is the only word that I can think of. Yeah, impulsive. Yeah. You know, it's interesting that like, maybe Ezra and Sabine and Shin and Bailin and they get stuck there. Who knows, right? I doubt it. But
01:00:29
Speaker
And maybe they're destined to fight off this, this evilness or this power for however long until whatever. I don't know. Like it's, we don't know if there's going to be an Ahsoka season two, do we? No, we haven't heard anything. We don't know that. So. Yeah, I, it's just all, yeah, it's fascinating to see how they wrap up that storyline. Because I think there's just a lot, a lot of, a lot of ways it could go.
01:00:58
Speaker
Right, like we're talking about. It could go in a lot of different directions. He survives, he dies, she goes to Ahsoka, she doesn't. She turns like total Sith, like who knows? Who knows? And she clearly doesn't know a lot because, you know, when he was talking, Bailen was talking about earlier about the stories he has heard.
01:01:23
Speaker
from like basically being in the Jedi temple about Peridia and again, it's a place of dreams and madness. She was like, well, I've never heard any of those stories. Like, that was a legend's call out. It could have been like stories are just stories like those are stories that don't count. Again, I don't know. Again, I don't know if that was like the direct aim at it.
01:01:51
Speaker
Just like again, the whole, you know, galaxy stories, one, two, and three. I don't know if that was, again, for me, I didn't take it that way, but I know a lot of people did. But regardless, like, yeah, they're fascinating characters and I'm very excited to see how they wrap up their stories and where they go. I just, I'm very fascinated. Any last thoughts before we move on, Ange? No. All right, let's get to, I think the reunion that we have all been as fans waiting for.
01:02:22
Speaker
Ezra and Sabine reunion. I'll start here. I, again, loved it. I'm glad we got this moment in live action. Again, Iman, who is portraying Ezra Bridger, is doing a really fantastic job. I love his portrayal. It feels like
01:02:46
Speaker
Ezra pulled from rebels. I think he's got his mannerisms down. It's kind of swagger. Like I love every bit of it. And again, you, you brought it up earlier to inch. Natasha's performance of Sabine has been spot on stellar. Loved every minute of it. The one thing that kind of trips me up with the reunion, again, it's, it's such a small thing and I,
01:03:16
Speaker
I, and maybe it's just because again, where they're putting it in the story and they kind of have to like get there and then move on from it. Like it felt a little bit underwhelming, just a smidge for me too.
01:03:33
Speaker
A little bit, right? A little bit rushed because it's like Sabine goes off, she gets into a little fight, and then she all of a sudden, you know, runs off, stumbles upon these turtle people, and the turtle people take her right there, right? I mean, they're great. But I think, and then I think that was like, you knew you had three days, right? Because it took three days, the timeline, to fill it from the catacombs. So I think we were a little expecting like,
01:04:02
Speaker
Maybe one more episode or one more night or one more day experience to happen before we got that. I don't know if I would say underwhelming. It felt rushed to me a little bit. Yeah. That's another good word. Yeah, another word for it. I'm with you on that.
01:04:25
Speaker
And it just felt that I mean, they had not seen again, this is it's very again, this is very nitpicky. Again, this isn't anything about the performances because I think I loved the performances that they gave for the situation. Go off, Lauren. I don't know about thrones belly. Let's go. It's not that I think it's just maybe again where we were in the story and that they kind of again rushed or just had to get to it a little bit.
01:04:53
Speaker
But that they hadn't, they have not seen each other in like we're saying 10 years, give or take. So like for them to kind of play it like cool, which is still very Ezra and Sabine though. It is for sure. Playing it cool. Like they didn't really like miss each other or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, got it. I get it. And it makes sense. And again, I'm not.
01:05:21
Speaker
I'm not saying the performances were great. It's just that I was really, I don't know, maybe I, maybe again, my own expectation, maybe that's where it was. My own suspicions of how that reunion would go down was not how it went down. And I had to deal with that. That's just a me, that's a me problem.
01:05:40
Speaker
But it was, yeah, it was just interesting. Go ahead, what do you got? Maybe the point that wasn't sold that well was that Sabine was like ashamed that what she had to do to get to him, right? It was pretty bittersweet if you think about it. She thinks Ahsoka's dead. She's bringing Thrawn back into the known galaxy, right? So I think, I feel like
01:06:07
Speaker
That bothered me where they didn't want to talk about it, right? She wanted to keep that information. She just wanted to be happy that she found them. And I get that.
01:06:17
Speaker
But the weight of what happened needed to be brought about and just to drive around in that car and be like, yeah, I think the Emperor died. Some people think so, won the war. I'm not going to tell you how I got here. That was like, it was very Sabine and it also was very Ezra, but it just wasn't appropriate for the story, I think. 100%. I'm with you on that. I think that's maybe a part of it too, is that
01:06:48
Speaker
Again, maybe just how I have understood Sabine I would have thought that she'd be happy but then like hey listen, dude I got here this way you and I need to go like deal with this because it's thrown right it's almost like she doesn't care that He's going to get away
01:07:12
Speaker
And that, yeah, I think that that's kind of where my I'm like, okay, interesting for the story. I kind of get it. Because again, you can't just see they can't just be like, oh, well, you know, she found Ezra and now they're gonna go get thrown like, you got to give a little bit of time, I guess. But yeah, that did throw me to where like her like as a character Sabine would hold that because I feel like she wouldn't, especially if it was vital to the galaxy.
01:07:41
Speaker
I don't, again, just my personal opinion, I don't think that she would do that. But like you're saying, it's a very Azuransa bean thing, how they met, how they're kind of talking around things. Like it is, I mean, it matches the characters very, very well in that respect. So I just, yeah, it was just interesting. It was just a very interesting,
01:08:10
Speaker
way to do the reunion, right? And then even, I mean, honestly, I actually really loved the reunion with Ahsoka and Ezra. Yeah, that was great. Because you think about that, the last time they saw each other was in the world between worlds. He told Ahsoka, once you get back, come find me, right? And she said, I will.
01:08:36
Speaker
And she did, like that's just a full circle, love that moment for us Rebel Sands, you know, and just how happy she was and he was that they saw each other. Like I love, that was a really, really, really great moment for sure. But yeah, I just, it was interesting way for Ezra and Sabine to be reunited. Still great, I'm not gonna, again, I'm happy we got Ezra when we did.
01:09:03
Speaker
Again, like we talked about before, I did not think we'd get him this early in the show. And I love how he's kind of like a monk Jedi. Like I don't need my saber, the force is my ally. Love it. Cause I feel like that's a very Canaan thing too.
01:09:26
Speaker
You know, like I think that goes back to all the teachings that Canaan gave, you know, taught Ezra about the force, connecting with it more. And I think he really took, obviously took that into heart.
01:09:39
Speaker
You know and I actually and I know a lot of people like wanted to see him swing the saber which oh yeah I did I did too but for him to be like no no no no it's it's I gave it to you it's yours but and I like Sabine like kept pressing because again the very Sabine thing like no do do your thing here's a saber he's like no the force is my ally
01:09:58
Speaker
And then you see him kicking butt, like force pushing. And then the force, like him ducking just as Shin like burned his hair. That was so cool. Very, very cool. And then even when he stops the saber and you see like the force kind of pushing the blade. Yeah. And it was really cool when they do it in the red Skywalker and made the same sound. Right. Right. Right. So again, perfect. Like I loved all that. I loved, I loved the look of Ezra, the beard. I know Iman tweeted.
01:10:28
Speaker
that like obviously once once he's able to because they're the obviously the actors are still on strike at this at this moment go support everybody but I think there has been artwork and I can't remember who it is but he referenced them in the tweet about seeing as like their their vision of who Ezra would look like and I think he
01:10:57
Speaker
kind of mirrored, like was pulling that as a reference. So again, very cool for him to know, you know, to know artwork that people put out of Ezra and to kind of like take expert inspiration from it, to have the full beard, to have like the curly moppy hair. I loved it. I think he looked great. He sounded great. It's just, yeah, he is a very, very good Ezra Bridger. And I'm excited.
01:11:27
Speaker
And I hope I hope we get to see it. Maybe we will. Maybe we won't. I don't again. I don't know where they're going to go with this, how they're if they're going to get out, how they get out, all that stuff. But I'm really looking forward to the Hera Ezra. Reunion. That will be heavy. So with that being mentioned, do you think Ezra gets off this planet?
01:11:57
Speaker
I get, I think that's the, yeah, I do. I mean, I think they get off eventually. Will we see it? I don't know. We might, because again, here's the thing to remember too. In Rebels, how he called the, um, Star Whales now, but we call him Space Whales, the Pergol. He had, uh, Matt- Mark. Mark.
01:12:26
Speaker
put like out like a very different frequency to call them. So assuming we could do that again, they could like get into the Soaker ship again, call the pergol, head back home, right? It's possible. So that's it. It's convenient. But again, for people that haven't watched Rebels, maybe they don't know that's how they can do it. What's your thoughts?
01:12:50
Speaker
The whole I'm getting a feeling I think I might be going home after all seemed like a strangely placed line and kind of foreboding that like. I don't think you're going to make it, dude. I mean, I don't think he's going to die or anything. I know that line is so weird. We rewatch it, Lauren. It's no idea. I watch it. Yeah, we watch it. Like it's weird. So
01:13:20
Speaker
I don't know. I just don't know. I don't know. That's where I am after these two. I don't know. I don't know. I'm literally tongue tied to where what's gonna happen to any of these people. The only thing I know for sure is Thrawn is getting out of there. That's the one thing I'll put money on. I'll put money on that. The rest of the stuff, I have no idea.
01:13:46
Speaker
But I want them to continue, right? I want Ezra and Sabine to train together and be Jedi together. And I want Ahsoka to be a part of that. I want all of that. I want this story to continue to go. But I just cannot see its future. I only see Thrawn getting off this stupid area and moving into the Empire. And all of a sudden, the OG
01:14:15
Speaker
Characters are brought into the storyline. That's the way I see it and sucks Do you not want to see those I guess I you know my thoughts I don't want that and it's nothing against the
01:14:33
Speaker
those characters. Yeah, it's nothing against those characters at all. Because it's just that I like these other characters better. They have potential to grow old with the fandom and I want them to
01:14:49
Speaker
But I just feel like there are too many things set in play that are going to make us like we're going to lose these characters and just to get back to the story that's already been in play. So that's where I'm kind of like, oh, God, are we really going to do this? Are we really going to do this? I don't think we will, because again, now that you've added this is the only reason I'm thinking this way, that because we've added this whole new galaxy, right, this is
01:15:18
Speaker
You can easily say these characters are in that galaxy dealing with Thrawn, dealing with that separate from what's going on that we know. Now, Air to the Empire is not canon, right? It's not. Right. No, it's not. So what happens is around this time, this time that we're in right now, Thrawn somehow comes back. That story is not told whatsoever. So it's being told right now how Thrawn gets back. But Thrawn gets back and then Han and Leia and Luke and Lando
01:15:48
Speaker
and Chewy and C-3PO, all of them are off doing things, identifying, like clearing out the Imperial Remnants. They're with my Mothma. They're finding out that all of a sudden Thrawn comes back. You know, all those things. So I don't know. It's so weird. See, I just feel like we're going to lose these characters. I'm going to be really disappointed.
01:16:15
Speaker
See, I don't think we'll lose them. I think we're just going to see them and how they explain where they will be. I think that's where we're, that's where we'll get explained, right? Because even if Theron does come back, I don't, I hope it's more of a, it's the Ezra's, the Hera's, the Ahsoka's dealing with it, with Mando and Bo, and Luke doesn't get involved.
01:16:45
Speaker
That's honestly. I'm there too. That's where I'm at with it. Real quick though, Angie, anything else with Ezra Sabine? I know we're kind of in our final predictions, but anything else for them? No. Okay. So yeah, I mean, predicting that in the Filoni film,
01:17:07
Speaker
I just don't want Luke to be the quote unquote guy that saves it. I just don't want that because we and as again, that's nothing against the character or anything like that. But it's like I want something new. I want this to be Hera, Ahsoka, their thing that they had to deal with. Not so much Luke. Right. Like I just I don't want that.
01:17:37
Speaker
I just don't, I just, I just don't want it. And again, that's nothing. I love Luke Skywalker. He's one of my favorite characters for sure. But in this instance, we've had them in the mando verse. I get it. We, you can easily put them in, but then I think that would just be everybody expected. Oh, here comes Luke to save the day. These guys don't know what they're doing. Like, no, dude.
01:18:01
Speaker
Ezra is a capable dude. That needs to be shown. And what also really needs to be shown is like Kanan, you know, some sort of callback to like what Kanan was to Ezra and how he became the great Jedi that he is. So it's like, I don't know.
01:18:26
Speaker
Yeah, again, it's very hard to predict how the series is gonna end. I am with you, though. I think the thing that I feel for sure is that that Thrawn does make it out. But again, if he doesn't, then I would buy that too. And maybe that's where we're stuck at. And that's where these guys are, is fighting this guy. And somehow they get communication out. Again, yeah, I just don't know.
01:18:53
Speaker
I don't know where this goes, but I do feel like he gets away. And maybe that, again, maybe that's just because, again, me blindly believing that this leads to Filoni's movie, because we could be totally wrong on that too. His movie could be completely not, I mean, as far as we know, what's been reported is that it's going to connect everything that we are seeing from Mando, from Book of Boba, from Ahsoka.
01:19:23
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All that is kind of being connected together in this film. And again, the big thing that we know through this little Mando verse is Thrawn and his return so far, right? Because he's mentioned in Mando. Um, we know Ahsoka and obviously in Book of Boba Fett has a mission that she leaves Luke for. Right. So like,
01:19:52
Speaker
There are things happening within these shows that point to this being that culmination of the New Republic versus this empire remnant, AKA Thrawn. Right? So I would venture to guess that, yeah, he does get out.
01:20:11
Speaker
So what do you think you think there's an Ahsoka season two? Do you think we'd lead right in the Mando season four? Like where do you how does the story continue? Yeah, I again, it could be it could be a season two, which I wouldn't hate. It could lead into. Mando for maybe who skeleton crew is supposed to be be a part of this era. I just don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
01:20:41
Speaker
Which is, again, kind of refreshing and exciting. Because it's more fun to experience it as it comes than to kind of be like, oh, well, like we know for Obi-Wan, we know that he obviously survived that series, right? That wasn't a big shock or anything like that. We know that. We know an Andor, right? Andor doesn't die until Rogue One.
01:21:11
Speaker
But with this series, it's different, right? Because this is all kind of new territory that we are not aware of, that we don't know. Or at least there is a gap between what we do know to this, right? Because the sequel trilogy doesn't happen for another, what, 20 some years from where we are, roughly? So, yeah.
01:21:40
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I don't know, bro. I don't know what happens. I do know that Thrawn will get out, though. Some way, ship, or form. I do. That's where I'm at with it. What if it's Snoke? What if Snoke comes back? Oh, God, please, no. Just no. Then we can move on from that. But again, who knows? I just don't. I don't know. I don't know. I just know that Baylon Scrolls probably, though,
01:22:08
Speaker
most fascinating character that we have gotten in a long time with Shin. And I'm excited to see what they do with his story and thrown. We finally got thrown live action. That's what I know. I just want to keep these characters and play for a really long time, honestly. I mean, honestly, I agree. I agree. I mean, because they are so good, right, that you want to keep them around. But again, yeah, with
01:22:38
Speaker
With at least with Bailin and Shin, I don't know. Again, we we talked about it that maybe they both are stranded. Maybe they both die. Who knows? Right. We don't know. But I do want Ezra to write to survive. I want. I want that because I want him to be a part of what's going on. Right. And again, it's easy to.
01:23:04
Speaker
Again, why we don't see them in the new sequel trilogy because they're doing other crap, but it's not that hard. We do know the, the, a ghost ship that type of freighter was in the, um, rise of Skywalker. But we, and we do know the novel that, that it was era.
01:23:31
Speaker
Well, I mean, maybe it is a new beginning. Maybe there is no more Jedi because, you know, you get up to where Rey is and she says Jedi. I thought they were a myth or, you know, so I don't know. I don't know. No, that's I think that's part of the fun, though. Right. Because the unknown can be scary, but it's also, I think, good for us fans to not have our expectations. Right.
01:24:00
Speaker
Like we did maybe going into the sequel trilogy. That's kind of where I'm at with it, for sure, as well. Any final thoughts, Ange? Any final predictions? Anything else you want to bring up? I wanted to bring up when the mother said, it reeks of Jedi to Sabine. How'd you feel about that? I mean, it's interesting. I was talking to a friend of mine offline.
01:24:27
Speaker
And they brought up this idea that maybe it wasn't so much Sabine, but maybe they misread it and maybe it was Balan. Which I kind of dig. I kind of dig that idea. Because again, just how Thrawn has said, you know, he's a Jedi, he's flawed. So maybe they misread it for Sabine where it actually was Balan.
01:24:54
Speaker
I think it means Sabine's about to do some amazing crap. And it could be too. Again, they've been, that's been set up from like episode, what, two, one? And she was able to force connect with Ahsoka. That was pretty cool as well too. Or was it more Ahsoka? I mean, right. I mean, the bond. The bond. Right, I agree. I agree. And again, was that convenient? Yes. But has that been established before? Absa frequently, Empire Strikes Back people, Luke Tulaya. So don't give me that.
01:25:23
Speaker
Like BS like that's been established that this could happen. So Pump those bricks just in case anybody was complaining about that Yeah, I I I think they're shutting up for Sabine to do something special Whatever it is, I don't know but it will she'll be she'll do something with the force And I they've been setting it up all season so maybe that will come to fruition in
01:25:52
Speaker
this last episode. We'll see. Anything else, Angel? What else you got? No. I mean, I'm dreading Tuesday because it's going to be over, honestly.
01:26:10
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I've rewatched the entirety a lot just because I am completely engulfed in the storyline, these characters, the performance, everything is so freaking awesome that I just don't want it to end. No, I agree. I haven't done a total rewatch. I've watched some of the episodes, but I'm excited to watch it in its totality to see how it flows. I feel like
01:26:37
Speaker
From one to six, there is a good flow as far as like binging and then like it all makes sense like that. I'm excited to do that. Final note for me, quick shout out to Hayden being in this again as a hologram recording. So cool. Nice touch. Very cool. And he was in like the season one armor of Clone Wars. Mm-hmm. Looked clean, looked great. Love it. Love it, love it, love it. That was a nice little touch.
01:27:06
Speaker
All right, Ang, anything else? No. You know what, you know, you're gonna just watch it at home, you're just gonna kind of... Yeah, the finale. Yeah, have some chips and dips, do something, because this is gonna be a doozy. I just don't know. I'm bracing for impact, really, because I just don't know how this is gonna end, which is, again, exciting. It's exciting. You know, when me and my mom watched seven
01:27:32
Speaker
We watched six right before it, and then there was a little bit of time still. So then I played that master and apprentice little thing for her and just gets you so amped, gets you so amped for this stuff. So then when we watched seven, it was just like it was really hard hitting. So that's cool. Yeah, I'm excited for the behind the scenes stuff after this, like the gallery of it. I hope it's more than like 30 minutes because I really need a whole whole like hour and a half with this with this show.
01:28:03
Speaker
because it deems it, because I'm fascinated to hear Filoni's thought process, his thinking, all that. I'm very excited to see all that stuff for sure. All right, kids, that's it. That's the show. We had a lot to talk about, a lot to say for these last two episodes. The finale's coming up, so we are very excited as well. If you guys enjoy our show, which I hope you do, you guys can follow us, The Galactic Podcast at The Galactic Pod.
01:28:31
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01:29:03
Speaker
All the places, kids, all the places you can find us. All right, and as always, may the force be with you. Always. Always.