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Episode 118- Bad Batch Recap Season 2 episodes 7&8
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Welcome to The GALactic Podcast! In this episode, Andrea and Lauren chat about The Bad Batch Season 2 episodes 7 and 8! The midseason point is here and it comes with big revelations. Rex returns! Could Palpatine be anymore scary? Will we see Echo again? They talk these topics and much more Go listen and enjoy!
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Introduction and Banter
00:00:11
Speaker
Hello everyone and welcome to the podcast. I am Lauren Romo with me as always my cousin and fellow nerd, Andrea Gutierrez. Hola. Como estas? We being? Gracias. That's all we know. That's all I know. Sorry kids, family. Sorry, because we don't know the fool. Nope.
00:00:38
Speaker
That's basic like it's all I know high school communication. Oh Good times good times. Oh, what's going on, Ang? What do you been doing? Nothing just in a minute. It's been a minute.
Excitement Over Star Wars Content
00:00:51
Speaker
Yeah, I know Ready ready to talk some bad batch though because we've had some doozers
00:00:57
Speaker
Man, I feel just spoiled by Star Wars. Yeah. Especially these last few episodes where obviously we're going to talk about seven and eight today. Nine has already been out, which we will talk about next week because that was a doozy as well.
00:01:13
Speaker
Then we have Mandalorian coming out. We just got, uh, we got our advanced copies. Thank you to Delray Star Wars books, uh, for Jedi scars, battle scars, battle scars. Oh, can't wait. Um, already a couple of pages in and of course I love it. Can't wait to talk about that. We have to get, we'll get back to book reviews. I finished Path of Deceit. Okay. Phase two, High Republic and wow. Okay.
00:01:43
Speaker
Wow. Yeah, we got some stuff to talk about in books. Again, there's so much Bad Batch, and then we get into Mandalorian. I know. There's so much to talk about. So we will have to carve out a whole episode or two about the books that we have read, because they're good. Obviously, we're huge fans, as you all know. And we'll definitely be talking about those. But today, kids, what are we going
Focus on Star Wars Universe
00:02:07
Speaker
to talk about? Bad Batch, episodes seven and eight.
00:02:11
Speaker
But before we dive into all that fun stuff, this is your first time listening to us. Welcome. We are Star Wars podcast to discuss anything and everything within that galaxy far, far away. Each episode, we will dive into one or two topics and have a general discussion on them. Topics could be movies, TV series, books, comics, a specific character, you name it.
Midway Reflections on Bad Batch Season Two
00:02:30
Speaker
And we talk about it. All right, and so we are midway halfway there living on a prayer for Bad Batch season two.
00:02:42
Speaker
Wow. Before we dive into episodes seven and eight, thoughts, your initial thoughts, reactions to the first half of season two. How are you feeling? Where you at with it? What do you got? Loved it. I mean, I wasn't super hyped about the season coming up because I thought, you know,
00:03:05
Speaker
It's, you know, just Bad Batch season two. It's not going to be anything that blows my mind or I don't know. I just didn't have high expectations for it. But man, has it been amazing? And I feel like every single episode so far has had a purpose towards character development.
00:03:23
Speaker
galaxy development plot and then some of them are like just extra heavy like tying up the seams of what's been happening in between this time that we know of order 66 and We'll say like a new hope I guess we'll say it's around that area. Yeah, so and it's been outstanding I
Praise for Bad Batch's Animation and Music
00:03:44
Speaker
think
00:03:44
Speaker
And I feel like the light hearted parts and the parts that aren't so heavy along the galactic story, just the development of the Bad Batch and the characters and Omega and her found family has been awesome. New characters have been great.
00:04:03
Speaker
animation is just outstanding music, outstanding lighting, everything's just absolutely outstanding. Um, it's funny when I was watching seven and eight, I was like, it's like, yes, this is like a continuation of the Clone Wars, but it feels so Clone Wars, you know, that it almost surprises me how well it encompasses that feeling of past Clone Wars episodes. It's just great. So I love it. I feel like.
00:04:32
Speaker
If there are Clone Wars fans out there that aren't watching this just because maybe they don't have time or maybe they just don't feel pulled in to watch the series, I think they're really missing out because there's some pretty heavy episodes in here that finish off some of the stories from the Clone Wars show and also just give you those feelings of those connections you had with those clones. So it's been great. I love it.
Exploring Clones' Post-Order 66 Experiences
00:05:02
Speaker
I mean, again, Will said, I think what this show is doing is it's giving you a viewpoint from the clones perspective, which I mean, yeah, we got that in clone wars, but this is just on a different level. And it's because I think, like you said, we are after the events of Order 66.
00:05:25
Speaker
You know, this is something that I think we all have thought about, talked about, like what, you know, how did the clones phase out? What happened? How did that process go? And how did the clones feel about it? And I, we are getting that. So I a hundred percent agree with you, Ang. If you liked Clone Wars, you will, and if you haven't been watching the Bad Batch, you will love this show.
00:05:52
Speaker
because it gives you so many moments of like Clone Wars-esque episodes, but then it delivers those like fun kind of, I don't even know, I don't know why you want to call them one off because they're not really one offs, but the episodes that you and I have talked about before that you can sit down with a bowl of cereal and just enjoy it for like 20 some minutes. You know, like that's what some of these episodes,
00:06:19
Speaker
And they do very well, but then you have these bigger arcing episodes I mean for I mean those first the first three episodes of the season man those were good.
Significant Star Wars Moments in Episodes Seven and Eight
00:06:30
Speaker
They were really good and Then these last two seven and eight man were these that I mean this isn't where it will dive into it When we get there, but there's a huge historic Star Wars moment that Just happens in the bat batch
00:06:49
Speaker
like it's crazy how yeah we'll get it we'll get to him but like it's it's not yeah this the series the show has been so good I agree with you regarding visually it's some of the best animation
00:07:11
Speaker
Music is just off the charts. So freaking good. The Kynan brothers, Kevin Kynan and his sons, man, are they just bringing, each episode has just a different flavor and it's so good. But then you get those remnants of like old Star Wars music tied in. Like it's just, it's so good. It's really, really good.
00:07:36
Speaker
So we are halfway through this season. So we are talking about episodes seven and eight. Episode seven is called the clone conspiracy.
00:07:47
Speaker
Episode eight is called Truth and Consequences. So both were directed by Brad Rao. Supervising director for Clone Conspiracy was Nathaniel Villanueva. And then for Truth and Consequences, it was Stuart Lee.
00:08:06
Speaker
And again, writers are Dave Filoni and Jennifer Corbett. And again, Andrew and I always like to say yes, Dave Filoni, but it's a team. It's not just him. Right on. It's a team. It's a team that's building these stories and building these characters. So we can't, again, yes, Filoni, Filoni, we get it, but.
00:08:29
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there is more to it than just the man himself. And he would say that. I guarantee he listened to interviews or whatever. He always mentions the team behind these stories that he's a part of. It's not just him.
00:08:48
Speaker
So let's get into, again, these two episodes, they premiered together.
Political Intrigue and Kamino's Destruction
00:08:52
Speaker
So they are very oddly complimentary to one another. So we'll talk about them kind of one big giant episode, but to start and thoughts, feelings, the episodes overall, we'll dive deep into it. But what did you think? How did you feel going into and then coming out of these two episodes? What do you got?
00:09:17
Speaker
Written very well. I mean, honestly, just written perfectly. Written in the vein of Palpatine being steps ahead of everybody. And kind of even had the audience guessing what was going to happen.
00:09:38
Speaker
And the first, so episode seven, the clone conspiracy didn't show the bad batch at all. You don't even get to see clone force 99. Rex shows up at the end, which was, you know, a really nice surprise. And then it was also super cool that he was hanging out in the Martel sister's garage. I love that. That was so dope. Just to know that there's a connection there with them going on and they're off doing things and, you know, Rex is in contact with them. I think that's very cool.
00:10:08
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And having Senator Chuchi back was great. Having Bale back, seeing all those different scenes from inside the Senate was amazing. And it was just good.
00:10:25
Speaker
It was a lot of talking. It was a lot of dialogue. It was a lot of suspense just from that. It reminded me a lot of like an Andor episode. Action was like in the suspense of what was happening. So I really liked it. You have a clone that wants to, that was there.
00:10:47
Speaker
you know, during the annihilation of Camino and Topoka City. And that's something like I just didn't take into consideration that people would question what happened. You know, I just thought like it got decommissioned. People were like, yeah, we don't really need the clones anymore. There's no more war. But I didn't think there was like a lie and a conspiracy behind it. But of course there has to be a lie and a conspiracy around everything.
00:11:12
Speaker
Rampart's just great. He plays a part of what he needs to be, some slimy officer that can stand up in front of a group of hundreds and be like, oh yeah, I'll listen to your demands and I'll listen to what you need and I'll apply that and we'll do everything we can and then walks off and has a completely different intention.
00:11:34
Speaker
It was just a great episode. Then to bring the batch into the next episode, Truth and Consequences, to be able to extract that data from Rampart's Destroyer, to be able to prove to the Senate that Topoka City was actually destroyed by the Empire.
Mission to Uncover Imperial Deceit
00:11:52
Speaker
so that this bill of the defense, whatever, is going to allow Imperial soldiers to come in and the decommission of the clones. It was just, it was great. The way that it worked, you know, all together, it was one big story. You know, it had that intrigue, like I said, from the dialogue. It had the action later and the suspense of if they were going to get this information and if they were going to get it to Chuchian time.
00:12:20
Speaker
you know, that clone that was an assassin, that was kind of like a surprise too. I was kind of like, who could that be? Like, was it maybe just like some sort of bounty hunter that Rampart hired and ends up being a clone? So it was, all around, it was just an amazing episode. And then the end, of course, you know, Palpatine, like a hundred steps ahead of everybody. And then turning it around, even on the clones was shocking to me. Like,
00:12:46
Speaker
Dude, who does that? Besides that man. So it was great. It felt so Clone Wars. It could have easily been season eight of Clone Wars or season finale of season eight of Clone Wars or however you want to see it. So it was great. Yeah.
Connecting Clone Wars Lore
00:13:07
Speaker
These two episodes, again, reflect of how great, just like you said, the writing is. It's so good.
00:13:15
Speaker
And again, they are able to tell a story that, again, we have all been wondering, right, as fans, like, how did it all go down? Like I was talking about earlier. And we see it now in these two episodes. And it's an animation, which is kind of perfect for me because Cold Wars did a lot.
00:13:38
Speaker
Especially for you and I talked about this before Especially, you know bridging that gap between attack of the clones and revenge of the Sith and bad bitch is kind of doing that in a way from revenge of the Sith to a new hope and in a weird kind of not weird way but like in a maybe smaller scale, but it's giving you That information that you know, we didn't we haven't gotten until now
00:14:08
Speaker
You know, so to start, you know, yeah, again, episode seven didn't have the bad batch, which I was fine with because again, it just sets up everything to have Senator Chuchi come back was amazing. I mean, talk about a nice pull in, in callback and to bring a character back like that was fantastic. You know, and they used, they used her very well.
00:14:35
Speaker
It was just really, it was really done well. If, if you know, if you watch Clone Wars, you know, Senator Chuchi, she was in multiple episodes in that show, I think like seven or eight of them. And she was friends with, you know, Rex, or she obviously, she knew Rex.
00:14:55
Speaker
She knew of the Jedi and she knew of all that stuff. So she's very familiar with what's going on. But I love how she is at such a young age because she was very young in clone wars. And now obviously she's still kind of youngish in the bad batch. And she's one that is looking out for the clones.
00:15:18
Speaker
You know, she's the one that's doing all that. And then again, you get into, you know, the mystery of everything, which we'll get, we'll, we'll dive deeper into everything, but just again, overall thoughts. And then to go into episode eight, to bring in the bad batch at that point, and then to have that big revelation at the end, which we'll talk about more.
00:15:42
Speaker
was insane. And it was, again, it was a great little fun episode. I mean, both of these were great. But episode eight obviously had a little more action. But again, like you said, Ange, this was dialogue driven. And this was probably the closest to and or ask in animation that we have gotten thus far.
00:16:05
Speaker
And it worked like they, they did a really good job with it. Like it didn't feel off. It didn't feel, you know, it didn't feel like, Oh, this is, this should be in live action. You know what I'm saying? Like it felt like it fit in with the story. Yeah. Yeah. So it was, it was, it was well done. And I, I cannot wait to see the ramifications of this. Cause I think for me, maybe we'll talk about this later on too, but,
00:16:34
Speaker
For me, I feel like this is kind of where we're going in the season of, again, and we've talked about it before, saving the clones, helping them out and, you know, getting them to safer places, maybe. I just feel like that's where we're going with it.
00:16:55
Speaker
And this had like very relatable real world issues along with it as well too.
Real-World Parallels in Bad Batch
00:17:02
Speaker
Like Chuchi standing up for these clones who are afterthoughts after their service is done. It's very relatable to how veterans get treated in the real world. So, I mean, bravo to Filoni and Jen Corbett for like lacing these issues into
00:17:24
Speaker
this animated Star Wars show that can get people thinking about things outside of their own world. So it was very relatable to things that happen in the real world. Again, we've talked about it before too. Star Wars is art imitating life, however you want, life imitating art. And to bring that kind of issue to an animation show,
00:17:53
Speaker
was really brilliant. It was really good in it. But again, it serves a story though, right? Like it serves the purpose of this story. So I love these two episodes. So let's dive deeper into these. So let's go. Obviously we'll start with episode seven. I mean, the beginning of this episode really kind of set everything in motion clearly.
00:18:16
Speaker
because you had these clones. And what I like is that we've heard this conversation before. So in episode three, the one where it's crosshair heavy, when he's in the cafeteria, you hear those clones talk about this defense bill that Rampart is doing.
00:18:37
Speaker
And then again, brings it back up in this episode. And these clones are, you know, again, worried about this defense bill, but then these two clones, Cade and Slip, are really concerned about what they did and what they were a part of in destroying Topok City. And the fact that that one of them, I think it was Cade, yeah, Cade was the one that
00:19:03
Speaker
sent a message to Rampart saying you better, you know, tell the truth or I will. That's gutsy kids. That's gutsy. Gutsy and a little bit ignorant because honestly, Rampart has reach. Right, right, right, right. And again, for
00:19:25
Speaker
for them to realize that they need to stand up. Again, you just get that sense of these clones and even Cody said it in that episode too, to crosshair. Clones are beginning to realize what is going on. And you see that now, you see the aftermath of what Order 66 has done, obviously to the galaxy and to the Jedi, but what has done to these clones?
00:19:55
Speaker
on a personal level. Yeah, and that really opens up a lot because just watching Revenge of the Sith and seeing the clones turn on the Jedi and just become these killing machines, and now you get to see the aftershock of that and how it actually is affecting them. They're not just brainless clones that follow orders.
00:20:21
Speaker
They have loyalty, and that loyalty is to preserve life and to protect the galaxy. And the truth is coming to them, and they're starting to question what's going on. That's something we never knew before. We only knew that they turned on the Jedi and became killing machines. And they were decommissioned. Right, yeah. And they were decommissioned. And that was their story to us for a really long time. So to see now.
00:20:49
Speaker
There are pockets of these clones that are saying like, hey, wait a minute, this shouldn't have happened. And I don't think I can continue like this, but I don't know what to do after that. I don't know how to be anything but a soldier. It's just been so eye opening and brilliant the way that this story is unfolding through the series.
00:21:14
Speaker
Yeah, again, you brought it up just a little bit ago about real world applications to this episode. I mean, you'd have to think a lot of veterans in the real world, too, kind of feel the same way. Like, this is what I've been doing for years. I don't know anything else. So it's hard for these clones.
00:21:38
Speaker
Like when Senator Cusci said, you know, I can fight for, you know, other, you know, other things for you. And they're like, we just want to be soldiers. This is all we've ever wanted to be. And then I liked how she kind of gave them that self realization of you're not, you're more than that. And you have to think about what happens when you get too old to fight.
00:22:02
Speaker
And I love that one of the clones response was we we have never that's nothing. It's not a scenario we have been made to think about. But now it is they have to. So yeah, and then.
00:22:17
Speaker
Did you feel and that the the sniper did you think that was crosshair at first because I I'll be honest I I did it at first but then it slowly for me was like I don't know if that's really him it could be but I don't know what were your thoughts at first
00:22:36
Speaker
No, Crosshair didn't even cross my mind. In that one, he would have been in his original gear.
Theories About the Mysterious Sniper
00:22:45
Speaker
You've never seen him outside of that. And in the episodes before, you can kind of tell Rampart's not keen to use him for things. So Crosshair didn't even pop in my mind. What popped in my mind was a bounty hunter, is what I was thinking.
00:23:06
Speaker
That's a really good, yeah, again, I don't know why. Bounty hunter never crossed my mind for some reason, but yeah, crosshair did. But then you kind of get the thinking, though, if you, I mean, in either circumstance, whether you thought it was maybe a bounty hunter or crosshair, for crosshair, for me, you were, you know, I began thinking of like, okay, he's super accurate. Like,
00:23:33
Speaker
there's no way he'd be missing this much. So it can't be him. But to get there, to get that revealed of that it was a clone and one that again, they removed like his, is that his like markings or whatever. And the fact that he was such a, you know, his last words to Rex and Senator Chuchi after they captured him was I'm a, you know, a believer. And then that's when he, you know,
00:24:03
Speaker
Ate that cyanide pillar or electric pillar or whatever you want to call it So like you you see the two sides of again clones that self are realizing that you know What they're doing is wrong or you have this completely other side? Of clones that are just a hundred percent. Yes Empire we could soldiers follow orders you know, so you see that there is a divide and
00:24:30
Speaker
Amongst the clones that it seems like some right, you know And then that the beginning of the episode again you when you're at that bar We've been there before in season six of clone wars with fives when we follow that whole story arc so again, you you get you get you just see the clones in a different in a different light post order 66 and
00:24:56
Speaker
You know, and then, again, Senator Chuchi kind of being recruited by Baylor Ghana was so cool. So cool.
Early Rebellion Movements and Political Alliances
00:25:04
Speaker
That was amazing. Like.
00:25:07
Speaker
I, at first, is my initial initial reaction when she gets that message that someone wants to talk to you. I don't know why I went here, but I was like, ooh, is that a soca? For some reason, I was like, I wonder if that's a soca, but then it's bail, and you're like, oh, well, that makes way more sense than anything else, for sure, you know? So I love that, you know, you see, again, it's very Andor-esque,
00:25:34
Speaker
But you see the beginnings of recruiting like-minded people to this kind of idea of a rebellion and how bail was obviously right in the forefront of it. And then I began to think too of, again, the what ifs of Star Wars, if Padme was still around, how she would be so behind Senator Tucci.
00:26:03
Speaker
Like obviously I think if I recall correctly, they were friends definitely in Clone Wars, but like they would have been side by side with all this clone stuff. Like I feel like Padme would be so proud of her standing up for the clones and giving that really good speech in the Senate and convincing people that they need to, you know, put aside this bill for now.
00:26:28
Speaker
and they need to reevaluate what is being done to these clones because they're not droids. They just can't be shut down. What do you think in that scene when all the senators are debating when they were like, where's Palpatine? And his little pod is just there with nothing. What did you think in that moment? No, I mean, it makes sense, right? Because Palpatine probably didn't really show his face a ton.
00:26:57
Speaker
Right. I just get that feeling. So of course he had his, his constituency up there and I'm blanking on his name. Masameda. So of course Masameda is there. And I love, again, Masameda is responsive, you know.
00:27:13
Speaker
The Emperor trusts you guys to make the decisions that are going to be the correct ones for the citizens of the galaxy. Because he's pulling the strings. Of course he trusts for them to just squabble amongst each other because he knows what's going to happen. I thought it was like, man, I wonder where he is. I wonder what he's doing. I wonder if he's cloning himself. I wonder what's going on.
00:27:36
Speaker
It's a good point. It's a good point. But it was a great foreshadow for him to show up later and be like, hey, hey, hey, you think I'm not paying attention and I am. So here we go. Yeah. I mean, that's a good, I couldn't agree more. I mean, obviously he pops up when he needs to.
00:27:52
Speaker
You know, so again real quick and then because I definitely yeah, we're gonna jump into episode eight But in that Senate, I'm glad you brought that scene up in that Senate You hear that one senator speaking and it's the one from Rogue One and I can't remember the senator's name Pomlo. Yeah, she is the one in Rogue One that tells Jen You know what basically why why they shouldn't attack
00:28:21
Speaker
Scare of and all that like she is that's the same senator and the same voice the same actor Yeah, they make sure yeah, it's same actress Same voice it sounds right on so I mean when I rewatched it I was like man that is her voice How great is that yeah again little like little things little tie-ins? to the overall story
00:28:45
Speaker
Yeah, I mean leading into you know, so the end of episode seven ends with you know Chuchi and Rex At the Martez's garage, which yeah, I love
Assisting in Uncovering Evidence Against Rampart
00:28:59
Speaker
that so so much. I hope we see them again I really do I got a good feeling that they'll pop up but we'll find out But we get that episode and obviously they see that clone Eat eat that, you know chop that pill down or whatever
00:29:16
Speaker
And that's when he calls out in episode eight to the Bad Batch. And he says, I need you guys permission to come to Coruscant. And of course they go. But even before that, I do wanna bring up the scene between Echo and Omega. It's a small scene, but oh, from like you bookend that to the end of this episode, huge. And we'll get to that. But I like this idea of
00:29:46
Speaker
After she, you know, hangs out with Gunji, he teaches her to meditate. I freaking love that. And she, I like her, her response of, you know, I'm not as good as Gunji, but you know, she's like, it does help.
00:30:03
Speaker
So this idea, and I was on Tarkin's top shelf, speaking to Becca earlier, if you guys go check that episode out, we had a really fun discussion. But she brought up this idea, and you and I have talked about this before, is about Omega being more sensitive and all this other stuff. And I think we both reside on the idea that she's not. However, I bring the idea
00:30:32
Speaker
I bring this idea about her having a little bit of force sensitivity. It's not Jedi level ask, right? We know that. But we know from Cain and Jairus and Rebels in that great episode of the Darksaber when he's talking to Sabine and he tells Hera that the force resides in everyone, you just have to be open to it.
00:30:58
Speaker
I feel like that's what they're showing. I don't know. How, how did you take that scene? Cause I think it's, I think it's kind of big. I do. What do you, what'd you think? Yeah, I think it, um, I thought it was huge too. I thought it, um, I liked how it taught a viewer that even if you feel like you're bad at meditation, it still serves a purpose and it's still helpful because, um,
00:31:27
Speaker
I used to meditate a lot. I should go back to it. And the hardest thing about it is quieting your mind. So when you can't, you think you're doing something wrong. But at least the effort to attempting to recognize what you're thinking and notate it, that is meditating. It's not the purpose of being able to cut yourself off completely and to have no thoughts. It's to actually be able to work through those thoughts.
00:31:55
Speaker
So, um, I thought it was like a really cute way of saying like, yeah, there are people that, you know, are top tier can, can sit cross legged for, for hours and cut themselves off from, from their own thoughts and find peace. But, um, there's steps to get to that and to recognize that it is helpful no matter what step you're at. So I thought it was cute. It seemed almost like a.
00:32:22
Speaker
Like a kid's cartoon show, like teaching a small little lesson, like in that moment is what it reminded me of. And then it made me think of, if Omega has this, um, like calling to want to meditate because she saw Gunji doing it, I feel like it's a call from the force. Right. And, and I've always believed that maybe Omega is force sensitive, but also I'm a true believer that just like you said, Lauren, like Kenan says that the force resides in all of us and it's just your,
00:32:51
Speaker
your need or you want to open that and to be willing to open yourself to it. So it was like a great, I loved it. I thought it was so cool. It was like this great little moment. And then also just like what it turns into of the conversation that she has with Echo is even more impactful later in the episode.
00:33:12
Speaker
You know, if Omega ends up being force-sensitive, Jedi-like force-sensitive, super cool. If she's not okay, same. Her value doesn't drop down or change, no matter which one that she is, because she's already shown that she's impactful in the Star Wars galaxy.
00:33:34
Speaker
But, you know, that's the one thing, I don't know what it is about seeing people meditate. I've said this before on the show. Like I remember when I was younger and you saw Darth Vader in that pod and he was sitting cross legged and he was meditating and I was like, wow, what is, I want to be able to do that. Like I want to be able to center myself. That's what I want. And so it was really cool to throw a little element of that in this show. Yeah, no, I understand agree.
00:34:03
Speaker
I think again I'd be interested to see if there's anything again to that or it was just again like you're saying it was just a fun scene showing younger viewers a different way or you know again just little introductions of like self meditation self
00:34:23
Speaker
Reflection or however you want to like look at it or again Or is it really a bigger thing to where she does have some again? I don't think you're you or I believe she is again Jedi level ask for sensitive But she could have a little bit of the force or again. She is beginning to understand it on a different level than most people because of her interactions with gunji and
00:34:50
Speaker
You know, so yeah that I wanted to bring up that scene because I thought it was really really cool and I think it could be something maybe again a thread that we pull or thread that it was just there for for fun and just a good again bookend from the beginning of the episode to clearly the end of the episode, but So, you know, obviously throughout the episode we get the bad batch they get on to rampart ship because the crease episode that's what slip tells senator Chuchi is that
Revelations and Political Consequences
00:35:19
Speaker
He has evidence showing that Rampart did what he did and that it's not a conspiracy that it just didn't disappear in a storm as was being told. So again, they eventually get the information, get it to the Senate. But even before all that, I love how, again, Omega and Senator Chuchi were hanging out. I loved all that. That was so...
00:35:46
Speaker
So good. I like those two characters together. Again, that scene of Omega seeing the Senate and asking about, you know, who represents the clones and to, she had to explain to her that like, they don't have representation, but that's basically what she is trying to do currently. And I just like how, again, they, when they talk to that former Kaminoan Senator. Yeah. For Tony.
00:36:13
Speaker
Yeah. And again, Omega's like, you know, I'm angry because they destroyed. I'm a clone. I'm angry that they did this. It was so good. So, you know, again, just everything with Omega in the episode was really solid. I loved it. I love again interactions with
00:36:33
Speaker
Bail and Senator Tucci was good stuff. And again, the bad batch being the bad batch going on to the, uh, the vendor, the Venator. Is it the Venator? I think is how it's pronounced or something like that. Um, rampart ship, the Venator again.
00:36:50
Speaker
Super clone clone war Z bad batchy, you know get on a ship get the information and you know get away It was good stuff and then they get to again the Senate. This is the big I think my monumental moment that I don't think We understand how big it is as you know, they get the information they get it to Omega who then gets it to bail and
00:37:18
Speaker
And then obviously he presents it and then Senator Tucci shows it as they are, again, discussing in the Senate what they should do about this defense bill. And again, Rampart believes that he can, he can, he can meet whatever demands that Senator Tucci asked from him. But like you said, and clearly knowing that he wasn't going to follow them at all. But then she brings this evidence shows and it shows.
00:37:43
Speaker
what he did. And I, again, in my mind, I'm like, Oh crap, wait, I know stormtroopers come. So what is this? How is this going to turn out now? Like, I don't understand. And then just that moment of the music changes, you hear like the alarms going off and then that center pod, the alarm, it was so like, Oh man, here he comes. And then you see him, you see Palpatine.
00:38:14
Speaker
and it's voiced by Ian and it's so freaking good. Like talk about a guy who is 20 steps ahead of everybody because either way, whether the Senate passed it without people knowing what Rampart did or if somebody found out what Rampart did, he had it covered no matter what. He was gold, he had it.
00:38:42
Speaker
And the fact that he used it, and he was like, yep, you know, this is, thank you Senator Cusci for bringing this to our attention. Rampart's gonna be taken care of. But we also have to look at the fact that these clones followed it blindly and blah, blah, blah. And then I believe we should start the Stormtrooper initiation. I was just like, holy crap. This man just did everybody.
00:39:11
Speaker
a whirlwind and like just completely checkmated everybody in that moment. And again, this is a huge moment, Ang. Huge in Star Wars. Cause this is the moment that we have all wondered, how does it go down? And now we know that even though they show that Rampart took and destroyed, destroyed Topok City, destroyed all those facilities on Kamino, he was still able to get his clone
00:39:42
Speaker
is Stormtrooper Bill passed. That just blows my mind. And then again, we see the ramifications after that scene, we come back to the Bad Batch with Rex and Senator Tucci, and I love Omega, it's like we did the right thing. Why did this happen? She was just like, what the hell did we just do all that for? If it wasn't for us,
00:40:11
Speaker
What the heck? And I just love, Rex is like, he was ahead of us in the Clone Wars and he's still ahead of us now. And then, again, Hunter, telling him my guy, he used the truth to his advantage. And that's what he does. So, and she talked about me about that scene in the Senate room before we'll get to the end. Like, man, that's not how I thought it was gonna go down.
00:40:38
Speaker
But man, that was good stuff. It was good stuff. It was so suspenseful going up through it because you have the banking clan, senator,
00:40:48
Speaker
being a pest, right? And then asking to like remove Chuchi out and you think like, Oh my God, she's never, it's never going to get there. She's never going to be able to show this footage. Like it just had great suspense going through it. And then you finally see it. The music swells and everyone's like, Oh my God. And Rampart's like, can't believe that everybody's seeing this. And then the alarms go off, man. And then the guy comes up.
00:41:13
Speaker
I start laughing because I'm like, of course, it's him. Of course. And then just to hear him talk his way out of it, just like you said, he commends Chuchi for bringing it to light, you know, and that
00:41:27
Speaker
And then he talks about like, Rampart's going to be punished for his treachery. Not to mention that obviously Rampart was taking, um, you know, orders from Palpatine. He was even screaming it. He was like, I was following orders. Right. He was a freaking clone trooper. There's no talk about that. And then to twist and then, oh my God. Like when he said Rampart didn't act alone and that the clones like blindly followed, I was like, you've got to be kidding me. You've got to be kidding me.
00:41:57
Speaker
Like he got out of this. I'm surprised and I'm not. This is amazing. This is how it happens. And it's awesome. Like that's how it happens. And it's awesome that it wasn't just like that they got phased out and they got old. It was awesome that it was like a play on Palpatine's part.
00:42:18
Speaker
to get it to happen, to convince a bunch of people on Coruscant and in the galaxy that the clones were in the wrong, right? He completely sold it. Because it's all about manipulation and making people believe an outcome or believe the intent of something. So he does it every single time.
00:42:42
Speaker
And it was awesome that they kind of, you know, like you said, Rex brought it up when they were discussing it at the end. He was ahead of them with the Separatists, you know, during the Clone Wars. He's still ahead of everybody right now that they can see that in hindsight now, which to me, I feel like should be more of a story going forward of wanting to get rid of Emperor Palpatine because he is the one that's guiding the galaxy.
00:43:11
Speaker
Into like this this you know, I don't even he's just guiding it in the incorrect way I see that's what the rebellion is for. Yeah, this is what this is what happens. We see that like I Wonder if this is the moment that a lot of senators Maybe began to like say, you know what? This is this is kind of messed up this is kind of messed up and I'm wondering if that's when a lot of
00:43:42
Speaker
again people like bail were maybe starting to recruit more based on people's reaction to this to this you know announcement by him like yeah yeah yeah he he destroyed a city on his own the clones are fully behind him like how he was able to twist that
00:44:02
Speaker
that's what I get that whole like you're saying I was on the edge of my seat because like will it get there will they get the message there one okay it did are they gonna play it okay it did now what what are we how we get how is he getting out of this
00:44:16
Speaker
Easily, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you for bringing to my attention. He's gonna be taken care of. But let's take a look at this side of it, that the clones followed this man blindly. And that's not what we need in this galaxy. We need constricted soldiers that are, I'm like, you son of a dude, how? This man, this man, Palpatine, master manipulator, and it's so good.
00:44:44
Speaker
And it's, again, it's a moment that is, it's a huge moment in Star Wars. I don't think we can stress that enough. This is a mon, like a monstrous moment when we see the clones get completely decommissioned now. Like it's over. Like this is happening. They are going to be no more, you know? Yeah. And let's, let's turn our citizens against you as well. Right. Right.
00:45:14
Speaker
I mean, how he got away with this. It's insane. So insane. But again, you know, that leads to the end in everybody saying goodbye. And then obviously I did not see this coming, but Echo stays with Rex. It makes sense hindsight. It makes sense. Cause I think what he was telling Omega, again, to bring him back from the beginning of the episode about how he feels isolated.
00:45:44
Speaker
to bring it full circle to the end of wanting to be with Rex because he didn't want to feel that way anymore and that he wanted to do more, which he has been saying since the beginning of the season that they should be doing more, the clones. He wants to help his brothers. And now that he knows Rex is there and doing that, yeah, it makes sense that he's going. But man, did that hit Omega hard. And really good like acting.
00:46:15
Speaker
I mean, honestly, she was just like, wait, wait, what is going on? Why are you leaving? And again, he's just explaining to her that this is my path now. I have to do this. This is what I have to do. And I like his little message to her about keep doing your studies or whatever. And she says, yes, sir. And she's crying. It was so, so good. And then that last shot of her just hugging Lula.
00:46:45
Speaker
You know, and again, and we'll obviously, we have, we have watched episode nine, but at the time of this recording, huge implications in that episode, which we'll talk about then, but like, man, what a, just a gut punch to Omega. And again, that's, that's the first bad batcher that we, that we lose. I don't talk, I want to bring up.
00:47:10
Speaker
Again, as far as do we think we'll see him again? Do you think we'll see echo again and but before that talk about that scene? How'd you feel? What did you think about that? Were you surprised that? He did that Because I was I mean, it's kind of concerning Considering that we don't see echo again in rebels. So What's right right so? Like
00:47:41
Speaker
When I was watching that, it didn't hit me like when Echo said he was leaving and he was going with Rex, maybe because I've had the mentality of being a part of being these soldiers for so long that he's just going to go on another mission, right?
00:47:56
Speaker
Obi-Wan sometimes goes on another mission, and Anakin goes on another mission. When you're watching the movie, it doesn't mean they're breaking up. It's just you have responsibility to go a different way. And so when Omega hit, when it affected her so hard, I was not surprised, but I didn't see it coming that it was going to really hurt her.
00:48:21
Speaker
And also because prior to that moment, like the clone, like Hunter and record were like, all right, man, yeah, cool. See you, Dab, whatever, you know? And they're just like, peace. And then she's like, wait, what? Wait a minute. Like, then when she said that, I was like, yeah, wait, wait, wait a minute. So.
00:48:39
Speaker
It was just like you said like i don't know if you call that acting directing i don't know what that is but whatever it was to move through that scene it was great because it allowed like the emotions to like.
00:48:53
Speaker
get implanted into where you felt concerned for Omega. But then you also felt like Echo was on the right path. It was just really good. God, this is a cartoon this animation was doing to me.
00:49:11
Speaker
And like you said, we've seen episode nine, so we know what's going to happen and how all those feelings and what happens at the end of that episode are going to get addressed. And we'll talk about that later. But in that moment, I swear to you, I was like, he's going with Rex, who cares? But then all of a sudden I was like, oh man, that's kind of a big deal.
00:49:36
Speaker
So it was just, it's great writing. It's great directing is great. It's great storytelling. It moves everything along and keeps you wanting to know what's going to happen next with these characters that you've became invested it with. And I'm glad you brought up the fact that again, we don't know.
00:50:02
Speaker
What happens to Echo? Because we, again, in Rebels, we don't see him. Doesn't mean that, again, that he dies or whatever, but it is a little concerning because we don't see him, as far as we know, moving forward, again, beyond where we are now, you know, into Rebels and things like that. So it's interesting.
00:50:28
Speaker
This is the this is the choice. It's not actually it's not I'll take the back It's not interesting, but I it makes a lot of sense that this is the path he's choosing because again He's been on it before he's been talking about this so it makes sense that he wants to do more He feels like he can do more with Rex And it is kind of like like you were saying like it was
00:50:51
Speaker
it was kind of how the others were reacting like Hunter saying, hey, don't forget what I told you, record and tech were like, hey man, see you, good luck.
00:51:01
Speaker
Whatever. Did you find it weird though that the rest of the batch wasn't like, yeah, we want to go with Rex too. We want to, this is what we want to go after. We want to make sure that the clones are, are protected and, and have peace and, and whatever. Instead of like, yeah, Echo, you go do that and we're going to continue to do missions for Sid. Like, didn't you find that kind of strange? I don't know if they're there yet. Some of them might. I think tech.
00:51:29
Speaker
at this point of the series in episode eight, he might be the one that maybe sees that they need to be doing more. Wrecker just goes with the flow, right? Wrecker is the one that will do whatever everybody else is doing, right? Because he, it's just who he is. I think the one that you have to convince right now is Hunter, because Hunter doesn't see that as important. What he sees for the group, in my opinion,
00:51:59
Speaker
is that their safety is more of a priority than helping his fellow brothers right now. That makes sense. And probably Omega's safety. I think Omega's safety trumps their own. He has taken on Omega, so he needs to make sure that she is safe going forward. So that's his mission. Right, right, right.
00:52:27
Speaker
When you see it, when you look at it that way, I understand that they didn't want to go with Rex yet. I do think that's where we're leading to. I don't know if that's how you feel. Do you think that's where we're leading to? Like them eventually coming to the conclusion that they have to save these other clones. It makes sense, right? I don't know. Do you feel that same way?
00:52:49
Speaker
It makes sense. I mean, just to participate in the rebellion and to participate in bettering the galaxy. I feel like they're going to get to that point, but I, like you said, like it's not the priority safety. And then I think eventually.
00:53:04
Speaker
I don't even know then crosshair comes back or whatever. I don't even know. It's kind of nice that this is the point that we're at in the middle of the show where we don't really know what their future of Clone Force 99 is going to be. So it's kind of great that it's not so obvious what we're going to see going forward.
00:53:27
Speaker
No, I agree. I 100% agree. I think it's good writing because you really don't know. We really don't. There's a lot of different ways the show could go, right? We've talked about it. It could end on a good note and we go into season three. It could end as it just ends in season two. This could be the last season. You just don't know. I mean, it could go a lot of different ways.
00:53:54
Speaker
I'm excited where we're heading to with this group now. And again, we haven't seen crosshair in a while. So before we wrap it up, I kind of want to get your thoughts on that. First half of the season, we got one episode of crosshair and it was a really good episode. Haven't seen them since.
00:54:17
Speaker
Are you okay with that? And your expectations now, the second half, do you think we'll see him more? That's mine. I feel like we're going to see him a lot more. The second half of the season, kind of what are your thoughts? I don't know. I mean, honestly, I just don't know because. I mean, he was such an intrigued, intrigued, intriguedular, something word.
00:54:43
Speaker
Intrical. Intrical part. Yeah, thank you.
00:54:51
Speaker
And there's still a lot of questions about, like... There's a lot still, yeah. There's a lot. Like, what is his main mentality right now after his interactions with Cody, right? Where's Cody? Where's Cody? Where's Cody? So there's a lot. Do I think, going from this point, these episodes have to be heavy with that storyline? No.
00:55:13
Speaker
Because I feel like there's still a lot of character development that needs to happen with the remaining portions of Clone Force 99 and Omega. So I like these single stories that are placed in between these story builders that are happening.
00:55:39
Speaker
I'm not expecting to see Crosshair too much. I'm just not. I think he's like a finale type thing maybe, but I have no idea. I don't know. I think maybe he's in two more episodes, maybe three. And I don't think that's kind of just stretching the story. I just think there's more to learn about the characters that we're invested in. And that's kind of how you learn about them is by opening up the story. I think it's gonna be interesting too
00:56:09
Speaker
is that obviously with Crosshair, his connection to Rampart, that was kind of a big, that was his, in that episode, that was big, right? Like Rampart was the one that was giving him his assignments.
00:56:21
Speaker
And now that Rampart's gone, I mean- So what happens to clones now? Are they imprisoned? Are they taken into custody? Are they on the run? What happens? I've always thought that Crosshair is the first death trooper because he has the build for it and he is this killing machine. So I don't even know what happens.
00:56:46
Speaker
It's gonna be interesting to find out what is still, what's the fate of the clones? Are they gonna be, you know, arrested? And again, I wonder what Crosshair's thoughts are about Rampart now, too. Again, is Rampart, like, are we gonna see Rampart again? I don't think so, but I mean, I guess we could, but I'm pretty sure.
00:57:12
Speaker
Pretty sure Palpatine had a little something to do with him being missing or not seeing ever again. I mean, maybe that's our introduction to Kalis in the Bad Batch. You know, I said that before. I think having Kalis show up would be freaking amazing. It would make a lot of sense and it'd be a nice little touch.
00:57:42
Speaker
Again, a nice little rebel's connectivity to the Bad Batch. I would love it. I would love it. And I don't think what happened to Rampart, obviously, was either gonna happen that way or he was going to still get what they got. He was still gonna be an admiral or whatnot. But because of what happened, Palpatine was covered either way.
00:58:11
Speaker
So now, like you said, the ramifications of this decision, what happens to the clones? Are they, because Tucci did mention, you know, after you serve your rotations, what do you do after that? So is it, that's what they're letting them serve out the rest, the remainder of their, you know, whatever, and then, okay, you're good. You can leave now. Like what happens? So, and again,
00:58:40
Speaker
As much as they wanted to help the clones with after they get decommissioned, like pensions and all that, that's clearly out the window now. So they are really, the clones overall are really screwed. And I think, again, this is what will hopefully get the Bad Batch back into that storyline eventually. Because I think it will affect them
00:59:05
Speaker
one way or another. And it may be, maybe crosshair is the reason. Maybe it's because they run into crosshair. He tells him his story of what happened and maybe they're like, okay, we really do have to save other clones or something like that. I don't know if that's gonna need to be it, but I'm interested to see how they break away from what they're doing now and then get into that type of fight to help the rest of the clones
00:59:35
Speaker
survive, but we do see, again, now think about this out loud, we do see an Obi-Wan Kenobi, a like homeless clone. So like, what does that mean? Like, did they, what, again, I don't know, man, it's. Right. Just tossed to the side and gone. Right. You know, maybe that's one they weren't able to save or something. Who knows? Right. Again, there's so much for us to still unpack.
01:00:05
Speaker
And this is a, this was a good way to kind of mid season, mid season it, because again, big ramifications. Now we get to see what, you know, what happens after that decision, right? We get to see it play out. It's going to be really, really fun. So Ang, as we're wrapping up final thoughts, anything you want to bring up before we wrap up any final, final things about these two episodes?
01:00:31
Speaker
No, I think we covered a lot. I'm just looking forward to this back half. You think from this point you think we're going to get a season three or you think season two is going to close it out? That's a good question. I don't know. Because it can really go either way. I could see. I could see a season three. I could see it where this is their journey. And maybe it ends like Rebels ask where it's not like a
01:01:00
Speaker
complete and there's more to their story, but this chapter is, is written. If that makes sense. I hope there's a bad batch animated movie to close it up. Listen, you and I have been both on the animation theatrical movie.
01:01:22
Speaker
train for a while. Do it, man. Get us there at the end of season two and then release a movie. Let's go. I'm telling you, I would. I would watch that a hundred times. I mean, maybe I'm exaggerating, but I would watch that a lot because again, they have only done one animated theatrical movie, which I have appreciated more as time goes on. The Clone Wars movie agreed. But look at that movie.
01:01:52
Speaker
Fast forward to the tech, like the animation now, it would look spectacular on a big screen. It really would, because there's, in this show specifically, man, the establishing shots, everything that they do in that show, it's really good. I mean, that first shot before we get into the Senate, you see the, you know, Coruscant and all that, like it's really good.
01:02:22
Speaker
I agree. It's really good. So yeah, I, Hey man, if that's what they do, I'm for it. I'm for it, but I don't know. What did you think? Do you think there'll be a season three? Like what's your thoughts?
01:02:33
Speaker
I still think we got a lot more, I don't know, I don't know. I'm gonna have to see how season two ends. It's hard, because yeah, I think it really depends. I don't know if it continues as a Bad Batch or, I mean, I wanna see what happens with Omega through the rest of her life. Existence, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Again, I wonder if it could turn, you know, cause we had, you know, Clone Wars turns into the Bad Batch logo, this Bad Batch logo turned into something else.
01:03:03
Speaker
But it's really great how they're showing these single episodes that can tell a small story that don't need to have such a heavy weight on the entire timeline, you know, because it shows that you can open it up to a season three by sprinkling in these little stories that teach lessons and, you know,
01:03:26
Speaker
have cameos of past characters and keep people entertained with this group. So it's possible to do a season three just to see how they've changed the formula this season of sprinkling in single
01:03:43
Speaker
episodes and not just going the, the arc route. And there's just, there's a lot, there is a lot more. Omega's interaction with Hera. Do we get another one? You know, there's, there's a lot that can be explored. So where's Hondo? I think we can definitely get a season three, but who knows?
01:04:06
Speaker
Yeah, I before, however they want to do it, whether it may be a movie, I wouldn't hate that. Or if it's another season, maybe it's called something else. Like you said, maybe it's not bad, bad season three, but it continues their story in some way, shape or form. Cause I agree. I want to learn about more about Omega and watch her, you know, through the years. Again, do they pull, you and I talked about this before, do they pull the Boba Fett thread?
01:04:34
Speaker
I mean, there's just so, there is a lot need to, there's a, there's a lot that they still could use as storytelling for sure. For another season, I think a hundred percent, but it really does depend on how they end this season and whether or not that story should be told. I mean, that's up to, you know, that's up to the creators for sure. But I think there is interest for sure from fans like us, like that. What would, would want more stories and would want to know what happened. So.
01:05:05
Speaker
Yeah, so far so good for us kids if you're not watching bad batch go watch it's really good stuff The season has been really really good a lot of funny moments, but a lot of really deep Star Wars lore moments that connect the overall story. It's good stuff. It's good stuff All right kids. That's it. That's the show Thank you for listening as always and you can follow us the glad to podcast at the galactic pod on Twitter and
01:05:33
Speaker
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01:06:00
Speaker
Always. Always.