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Episode 129- The Mandalorian Season 3 Episodes 6 and 7
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Welcome to The GALactic Podcast! In this episode, Andrea and Lauren chat about The Mandalorian Season 3 episodes 6 and 7! Jack Black amd Lizzo! Mandos having a family bbq! WHo are the Spies? Will we see Thrawn in the finale? They talk these topics and much more Go listen and enjoy!
Reminder to rate and review where available! And as always, May that force be with you!
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Transcript
Welcome & Introductions
00:00:09
Speaker
All right, well, hello, everyone, and welcome to the Glad to Powercast. I'm Lauren Romo with me, as always, is my cousin and fellow nerd, Andrea Gutierrez. Bright suns. Bright suns. What's going on, cuz? Oh, boy, chilling, working, living, doing all the good stuff, doing all the good things. We had really nice weather this past week.
00:00:36
Speaker
changes everything. Yeah. And then I look at the weather for this coming up week. 40. And it's like 40, 50. Thanks, Michigan. Thanks for being. Stay cool, Michigan. Stay cool.
Mandalorian Episode Recap Begins
00:00:50
Speaker
Well, we are here to talk about, as always, Mandalorian. We're doing our recaps of episode six.
00:00:57
Speaker
Seven we're doing a two for kids. So buckle up. This could be a long one Yeah, I don't want to say how I didn't you know tell Andrew before. Oh, this should be under an hour. Nope didn't do that Because I don't know how long it's gonna be because there's a lot to discuss in both episodes. I can't wait to talk about it
00:01:17
Speaker
Before we do all that fun stuff, if this is your first time listening to us, welcome. We are Star Wars Podcasts that discuss anything and everything within that galaxy far, far away. In each episode, we will dive into one or two topics and have a general discussion on them. Topics could be movies, TV series, books, comics, a specific character, you name it. And we talk about it. All right, Ang. Wow. Last two episodes, very different.
00:01:46
Speaker
styles, very different storytelling, very different. But we're gonna talk about it all.
Episode Six: Fan Reactions & Cameos
00:01:54
Speaker
So let's just jump into chapter 22, episode six, Guns for Hire. This was the Bryce Dallas Howard directed episode. And obviously the writers were John Fairborough, obviously inspired by George Lucas.
00:02:14
Speaker
So let's just jump into this one. This was a very divisive episode. It was in the fandom. So let's just, again, as we always do, Ang, thoughts, feelings. I know when you and I watched it, you did text me. So I want to know, you know, you said you had to do another viewing. Let's start with initial thoughts, feelings, set the scene. What do you got? Let's talk about it.
00:02:44
Speaker
Uh, it had nothing to do with pleasure 19. It had nothing to do with Lizzo Jack Black, Christopher Lloyd, or the cameos had nothing to do with any of that stuff. Um, and if I tell you this, Lauren, you'll never be able to unsee it. So are you ready? Are you ready?
00:03:11
Speaker
When Bo and Din go to talk with the privateer Mandalorians, and they're all sitting around, right? It looks like they're tailgating for Dave Matthews Band concert. And I can't. And I can't unsee it. I think someone's barbecuing.
00:03:35
Speaker
They're drinking some ale. Did you see two people are playing catch? Yes. I love it. I love it. I was like, what is going on? It was like the worst setup I've ever seen. I was like. I was like.
00:03:56
Speaker
So that like that like put me in a mood it took me out completely and then the Darksaber We woke up to
Episode Six: Themes & Dynamics
00:04:06
Speaker
that point. Yeah, I was having a lot of fun up into that point I felt like it was like a cop show I loved the dynamic of of bow and din it was very good cop bad cop very law and order
00:04:19
Speaker
you know, CSI, they even went to a forensic place. Like it was awesome. I loved it. It was Scooby Doo meets Law and Order slash CSI. I loved it. I loved it. My dog is scratching at the door, but anyway. So yeah, go ahead. What else you got? So you get to that point now. I get to that point and I was like, why are they tailgating? Why are we just handing off the darksaber again? Why are we accepting it?
00:04:43
Speaker
All that good stuff. Why does it didn't have the dark saber anymore? I wanted him to learn how to use it. And I was like, I need a couple of viewings and a couple of viewings helped me out. I really liked this episode. I think it was fun. Um, I had Lizzo stuck in my head the rest of the day. As we all did. As we all did.
00:05:06
Speaker
I mean, you put those two together, Lizzo and Jack Black. Jack Black was so freaking good. I mean, it was a perfect pairing, honestly.
00:05:17
Speaker
You couldn't have put two people like that was it was just that was perfect like When when she was with Grogu it was so genuine because you know how much she loves Grogu in real life, right? We're in real life. Yeah, so it was So fun so fun. Yeah, and she got to hold it like she got to hold the child which was really really cool Yeah, yeah
00:05:42
Speaker
So I mean, for me overall, I, I enjoyed it. Honestly, I, it was a fun ride. Just like you said, it was buddy cop. It was law and order meet CSI meet scooby doo. Like I was here for it all, man. I don't care. I know people were complaining about cameos at, you know, I'm like.
00:06:02
Speaker
People's acting abilities like, come on, dude, like, relax. Well, it's Star Wars. First of all, Star Wars. Second of all, so you're OK with like all those other cameos like Daniel Craig is a stormtrooper, right? One of the princes was passively in there. Tom Hardy, I think his scene got deleted, but he was a stormtrooper.
00:06:28
Speaker
You guys, NSYNC was supposed to be in the Phantom Menace. You guys realize that? We were so close. We were that close to having them in Star Wars. Oh my God. But your line is Lizzo and Jack Black? What if BTS shows up in Ahsoka? I mean, I'm here for it. I don't care. I don't care about the cameos. If it takes you out, it takes you out, and that's fine. The tailgating took me out.
00:06:57
Speaker
And that's fine, yeah. I mean, I could, I see where you're coming from. Like it was kind of just a setup. Like it was just- It was a weird setup. For what it's worth, whatever. Like, I mean, to me, it didn't bother me as much, but I see what you're seeing though. Like I totally get it. Like it was like a, like a big family barbecue or something. Like it was kind of like out there. I, yeah, I don't disagree. Like I don't, I see what you're seeing a hundred percent. It just didn't bother me as much.
00:07:26
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, I love this. The whole like droids, the droid thing of it all was great. The droid bar was outstanding. Yes. The the blood rate, the blade runner blade runner, like running through the streets and all that, like it was like Attack of the Clones to when Anakin and Obi-Wan are running through course, like.
00:07:51
Speaker
I liked it. I liked it. And we'll obviously talk about, you know, a lot of the deeper stuff, but yeah, for me, camels were great. I mean, you got Christopher Lloyd, who, you know, again, there was a rumor that he was going to be in this season. And obviously people were trying to speculate who it was. And I loved his character. It was like a separatist, like, you know, believer in a, like, Dooku.
00:08:17
Speaker
Man, like I loved it. Count Dooku was a visionary. I loved that. Right. So there's a lot of fun again. If you don't understand how, for me and maybe Ang, I don't know if you felt this way, this was the closest to George Lucas, Star Wars, what the sequel trilogy would be about.
00:08:41
Speaker
It is. This is how weird, it'd be wacky. It would be fun. This is what it would have been like kids. So if you can't stand this, dear Lord, I would have, I don't even want to know what, if George would have did his sequels.
00:08:59
Speaker
Like, guys, it's Star Wars is supposed to be fun, man. Again, you had Han Solo in A New Hope running after Stormtroopers yelling, acting like, like, it makes no sense, guys. It's, it's Star Wars. It's not supposed to be that serious. You're supposed to have fun with it. Again, I get, if this wasn't your jam, it wasn't your jam and that's fine.
00:09:23
Speaker
That's completely fine, but don't say, oh, the acting was terrible. Like that, that's where I get like a little bro. Come on, like slow down. Like if you didn't like how the, like how the story went, like you, we went from a and to get the B we did like a whole like loop-de-loop roller coaster. Okay. I get that. And that's fair and
Deeper Themes & Droid Rights
00:09:44
Speaker
valid. I get it. But for me and I don't know about you, like that stuff doesn't bother me.
00:09:50
Speaker
Like it just doesn't bother me, dude. Like I just have fun with it. It doesn't bother me, but sometimes it takes me a minute to like get comfortable with it. Fair, fair. And like someone had described that episode as a bad SNL skit. I don't like that.
00:10:08
Speaker
I didn't like it either, but I could understand the feeling of that. Like when you're watching a bad SNL skit and you're like, God, am I supposed to find this funny? Am I supposed to like this? I don't get it. But like, luckily we are in the business of analyzing these episodes and talking about them. And it's part of the way we just enjoy Star Wars. So we do multiple watches and we start to see things we didn't see in the first watch.
00:10:37
Speaker
And I'm not telling people that I think you need to watch the show a couple times to like it, but I'm just saying, I think maybe some of the prejudices you have against it, like, I don't know, need another visit. Or it's very, it's surface level stuff, I feel.
00:10:56
Speaker
Do I think Lizzo deserves an Emmy? No. But that's not the point of her character. She doesn't win an Emmy or whatever. Like, no. Jack Black. I loved her being there. Right. That's the whole point of it. They're Star Wars fans. And for people to be like, oh, looks like the bullies are taking over Star... Do you guys not know, like, Lizzo's backstory? Do you not know Jack Black, probably? You know what I'm saying?
00:11:25
Speaker
That just blows my mind when people say stuff like that. So again this course is a discourse Star Wars Twitter all the time and that's fine like I said, you don't have to love this episode and if you have Like again, I understand if you felt like the pacing how the story was, you know portrayed I get it. Okay, that's fine. We can have a conversation about that and
00:11:48
Speaker
But don't tell me that oh the cameos this and that like that's that's you just having your own little prejudice in my opinion Sorry that you you just can't let Star Wars be fun And I think it's up to people What is your like and I tweeted this like when this episode came out it all comes down to what's your level of? How silly Star Wars can get for you? bottom line
00:12:15
Speaker
Yeah, or it's like people want it placed like, okay, when you get to episode six, I think people are expecting like,
00:12:22
Speaker
the beginning of the climax. And so when it becomes silly in that area, the people are like, come on, like enough, right? But if you do it in the beginning, people are like, oh, come on. We're gonna start the show like this. So this show has no plot. You know what? I don't know.
00:12:50
Speaker
No, I agree. It just boggles my mind. Because again,
Darksaber & Leadership Discussions
00:12:53
Speaker
for me, it played out like a Clone Wars episode. And I know a lot of people said that. Yeah, it did. It was a literal cop show. It was so good. It was a literal Star Wars cop show.
00:13:07
Speaker
Nothing wrong with that. But I will say this too. I said this to my mom. There's something about Bryce Dallas Howard's episodes where at first I'm not all in and I swear to God. The one where they were on that area with Cardoon and those villagers. The first time I watched that one, something was off about it for me. And then the one where they're on Trask.
00:13:32
Speaker
And I was like, something just feels off. What is this off feeling I'm just not getting? And I got the exact same feeling again. And when her name popped up, I was like, it makes total sense. I always feel this way when I first watched one of her shows and I don't get what that is. But eventually I'm like, this is smooth. This is perfect. This is, I love this. Like I rewatched the one from Trask the other day and I was like, why did I even have a problem with this? So I don't know what that is.
00:14:01
Speaker
Yeah, again, maybe it's just, I think a lot of it, and you and I have talked about this, we talk about it all the time on here. When you and I first watch anything new, Star Wars, it's just how we take it in. We are just so, I have images, what's going on, I get it. I definitely get that. So again, I get people's having problems with this. I'm not saying that they're not valid.
00:14:30
Speaker
But what I get upset about is, okay, what is your issue? If it's not how the story was written or how it played out, okay, I get it. Like, yeah, we can have that conversation. But if you're like, oh, Lizzo and Jack Black, why? That's stupid. Star Wars is dead. Like, get out of here, dude.
00:14:49
Speaker
Like, get out of here with your theories. Like, just move on. I mean, again, not every Star Wars thing has to hit for everybody. And it's not going to. And that's OK. That's part of it, too, for me anyway. Like, I love it when people are like, this is not my kind of Star Wars, but I really appreciated what it did for XYZ. Right. Like. Right. Just.
00:15:14
Speaker
Makes no sense. It's simple. Yeah, I don't yeah, I don't I don't get it man I don't get it but I so to just go dive deep into this buddy cop episode I get the main thing again Yeah, we do a whole a do a big roller coaster ride to get the B But I had a heck of a time on the roller coaster ride So, you know, the the main thing is that obviously they go to this new planet and it was called
00:15:43
Speaker
Pleasure 19. Pleasure 19. Is it 19 or 15? 15. No, it was. 15, 15. I just want to say something real quick about the intro with the corn and the... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was re-watching a bunch of different Mando episodes, and that prince, the Mancala prince, was on a puck in season one. Oh, really? I didn't pick it up. Yeah.
00:16:09
Speaker
Yeah, it was crazy. Ooh, that's a good pick. Nice one. It was. I don't even know if I've seen anybody talk about that. That's a good one. That's a really good one. Right after Mando got turned Grogo into the
00:16:24
Speaker
Werner Herzog right after he turned Grogu in and he went back to grief and he had all, he had his new drip. He was in all his new bus car and he, and grief game gave him a new puck and that guy came up and he was like, Oh, it was in Prince. Yeah. That's a real good catch. That's a real good catch.
00:16:45
Speaker
And that guy, the actor under that whole suit was Harry Holland, Tom Holland's brother. Yeah. Nice. I love that too. That's good. That's so cool. Yeah. But that was a fun little, again, a fun little scene. It shows you like, again, the.
00:17:05
Speaker
covert well, not the covert but the Boca tans team taking over that fleet and what they're doing it like she said earlier this episode earlier in the season Their mercenaries are doing jobs. This is one of the jobs So it's cool to kind of again you get caught up real quick. That's all you needed. You didn't need anything more than that, right? works for me then we go to a pleasure 15 which is like
00:17:30
Speaker
People have compared it to, and I kind of agree. It's like Disney come to life, like Epcot. It was that kind of vibe. I would live there. It was cool to me. I liked it. I liked it.
00:17:47
Speaker
The moment I knew this was gonna be like a wild ride was when that kind of music came on and when they were being hailed. Like at first I was like, is someone's cell phone, like Nokia's cell phone going off? But it was literally like the show.
00:18:05
Speaker
And I was like, oh, okay, we're in for it now. I was like, what is that?
Episode Tone & Direction
00:18:09
Speaker
Right. I'm like, this is going to be fun. Like, here we go. Here we go. I'm in. I'm in. But I mean, really, so the whole episode really boils down to Din and Bo trying to figure out why these droids are going haywire in this planet because
00:18:26
Speaker
They have all been repurposed, repurposed to help out the people of this planet. And they are repurposed battle droids, BD droids, B1 droids, like X Imperial droids.
00:18:45
Speaker
It's very interesting. And you find out because of Jack Black's character that he was ex-imperial, but he went through the amnesty program. I love how he said program too. Just real quick, Jack Black. Program, program, program. I loved it. I loved it. And you get this whole lot, like this big kind of story of like these droids because of Christopher Lloyd's character.
00:19:15
Speaker
He was trying to make them obviously do, do these things because he didn't like the bombardier. He didn't like what was going on and what he made the planet into. So he turned some of these droids through the, the, the, whatever they were taking in search of the, and I'm trying to think of the name, but no.
00:19:42
Speaker
the stuff that they were getting in the droid bar. I can't remember right now. Yeah. All I know is that it had nano droids. Right. So I had nano droids that Christopher Lloyd, like, you know, put into these droids. The pen thing, the pen thing. Thank you. So I love that moment though. Once they go to that bar and that one droids like, listen, we, we want to help you. Like this is,
00:20:08
Speaker
If, if you, if this doesn't get figured out, then we all get basically go back to the new Republic and we probably get destroyed because we're ex-Imperial. So this is our second chance. So again, a really deep droid like storyline. And I was here for it. So, and she talked to me about that storyline. How did you feel about it? It was a wild ride for it, but I was here for it. So what do you got? Yeah, I liked, um, I wrote down.
00:20:37
Speaker
That one moment when, when Bo tells Din like their behavior is programmed, she was like, all they do is reason. Like they're going to try to reason with you. It's fine. Um, it was just pretty good moment. I liked the ugnuts as well too. Um, cause the, the droidsmiths and they, uh, take a honor in what they do and then bringing back.
00:21:01
Speaker
interaction with Quill was really great. And to hear I have spoken again was really great. That was really, really, really awesome. And it, it just brings that human element right back to the droids again. So I, you know, it was just a very small theme of in within this episode, but it
00:21:26
Speaker
if you rewatch or really try to sit back and think it over.
00:21:32
Speaker
It boils down to, are we trying to live the proper way and are we putting aside all of our differences? It was so funny how Christopher Lloyd was never happy, no matter what rule he was under, Republic, Empire, New Republic. There was always going to be some sort of issue and then him causing the havoc within his society now. It was all very,
00:22:02
Speaker
The temperature of of today's society so it was it was a good fun episode that had some Heavy themes sprinkled in yeah deep theme again. I mean droid rights, right? I mean we there's a lot of you know a lot of rights again, like you're saying into in our today world that are
00:22:22
Speaker
being affected in many different ways for many different communities and groups. And this is just, again, Star Wars kind of spotlighting it, but in their own way. And it worked for me. I loved it. I mean, and you love to see these droids, you know, again, show that they wanted to help.
00:22:45
Speaker
And then it's, it's so interesting that Christopher Lloyd's character being a separatist, of course he would want to program the droids because that's what they used, right? They used the battle, the battle droids would be one, like they used all of them. So yeah, of course he would program them to do what they were meant to do, you know?
00:23:05
Speaker
Even though some other small little interaction with bow and in when they go to the docks with that Be one droid just hearing the voice of a loved one in the voices I think it's by Matthew wood. It does the be one voice I believe and it's just so good like it's just it's again. It's fun it's
00:23:29
Speaker
It's comical, but not over the top for me. You know, like it's just, it, and it felt, again, it felt Star Wars to me as far as seeing those, you know, the, the B one droid and just hearing the voice. And then though, I mean, when you go and see the footage of what, of why, you know, of why they were worried, the.
00:23:49
Speaker
duchess and you know bombardier and when Christopher Lloyd shows the footage to bow and den and all those different droids were doing all this stuff and the last one was that chef droid i was like oh my god like it was again it was star wars and star wars being funny but yeah obviously serious i loved it like i had no problems with this whole storyline at all like i loved it
00:24:15
Speaker
Anything else about the droid storyline of it all, Ange, that you wanted to mention or talk about? Just some pretty cool shots. You know, the chase when they catch the droid in the city area, when it gets roped off by those other droids. I love that. Some pretty cool stuff visually that I really liked. So.
00:24:41
Speaker
This is a beautiful episode. Yeah, visually, I love this episode too. Again, it had a lot of different flavors. They really did. Some familiar, right? Like we were talking about like Attack of the Clones, right? With Obi and Anakin running through Coruscant.
00:24:56
Speaker
Again, it had a Blade Runner vibe, so he had some really cool different vibes in this episode, and I was here for it. I liked when Bow and Den first got there and met the duchess and
00:25:14
Speaker
What's his name? Bombardier. Bombardier. And just, you know, the high society people sitting around and all of that is just like really cool to witness as well to the setup and how detailed it is. It was really, I liked it. So here's my question to you too, Anne. So obviously we know Din's issue with droids.
00:25:36
Speaker
And through this whole series, he has gotten better. Was that something that you had to get adjusted to? Because I actually understood and I was OK with why he got upset and didn't like having to deal with droids again. I get it, even though he trusts IG-11.
00:26:04
Speaker
Was not I know some people might have had like an issue with that like way I thought he was like cool with droids it made sense to me because I feel for me it felt like it hit it those those specific droids hit harder for him I think that's why he was kind of upset. What are your thoughts on that kind of? That whole situation where you're okay with it. Did you struggle with it? What do you got?
00:26:28
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't struggle with it. I did see that opinion online a little bit, people saying like, it just seemed like his character regressed a little bit, but I think he was just in a mood. And I mean, it was when they go into that droid bar and
00:26:47
Speaker
Beau's trying to have a conversation with the bartender and he just picks up that spark thing and he was like, listen. I didn't think it was just- The good cop, bad cop. Yeah, I didn't think it was just because, oh, he hates droids. That's why he's behaving that way. I think he just wants to move through whatever they're doing and figure this out. And then, yes, I do feel like when he sees battle droids and B1 droids, that's a little bit more problematic for him because of his past.
00:27:15
Speaker
But I think overall he's cool with droids. I mean, I didn't think like this shows you again that he, he's not in episode one season one of, of how he feels about droids. No, I agree. I think this was just a, an incident where because of the type of droids they were dealing with again, probably hits a lot hits home a lot for him. Like you're saying, like it, it brings back those memories of his family. What?
00:27:44
Speaker
His village went through, you know, so yeah, I mean, you can understand why he, you know, starts kicking those battle droids to see which one would like flinch or whatever, you get it. And why he's so upset, you know, about, you know, what's going on. You understand it, you understand it. Any, you know, besides, you know, Din, I loved Bo.
00:28:09
Speaker
Her detective, Detective Bow, I loved it. Detective Bow was so good. I loved it. She was so good. She played it so well, Katie Sackhoff, and just looked like they had a lot of fun. She had fun, just looked like it was a fun episode to shoot. Obviously, with Bryce Dallas Howard, how could you not? But to have Christopher Floyd, to have Jack,
00:28:36
Speaker
and to have Lizzo, like that must've been so fun on set. And, you know, there is, I think it was, I don't know whose Instagram, it might've been Lizzo's, where she was showing some videos of her and, you know, Jack Black, like, you know, behind the scenes, having fun, like, and people were getting upset about that. Like, it's so stupid anyway. But that just shows, again, how excited these people are about being on Star Wars.
00:29:02
Speaker
You know, but again, for Katie for to bring it back to Bo, I loved how she would, you know, again, at first she, you know, she was annoyed, but then she got down to business, right? Just like Bo does. So it was a very, very like Bo thing to be like, all right, well, let's, for her to be the good cop.
00:29:23
Speaker
Right, and I liked her little journey. This was fun. And we get to that part where she gets to Darksaber at the end. So let's talk about that. Thoughts, feelings on the whole Darksaber of it all. Are you okay with that? Well, even before that, let's talk about the fight between her and Axe. I loved it. I loved seeing Mando's fight. What was your thoughts on the whole fight sequence? It was mid.
00:29:50
Speaker
OK, no, no, that's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. What what was what was it that was it because of the whole introduction of it? It was it was because it took you out of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was made. That's fair. No, I get it. I get it. That's fair. I mean, again, it. Without. You know, without that setting, do you think you would have been felt different?
00:30:19
Speaker
Yeah, probably. It was just the setting. It's like because there was nothing like dynamic about it for them to like get up on or like, you know, it was just like they were in a parking lot. Right. Like a proper duel. That was weird. Like role playing in a park or something. I mean, some of the moves were pretty cool with the flamethrower and the shield. And I liked all of that. That was all really cool. And I love that she kicked his ass. I mean, let's be honest, she took care of him pretty quickly. So I did like that part.
00:30:50
Speaker
There are a couple things, my theories and speculations for next week have gone crazy. And there are a couple of lines that were exchanged like during that whole time that make me
00:31:04
Speaker
not really sure what's going on with either of them. So I'll leave that towards the end of this episode, but it was, it was just all right. And then again, I have a problem with the dark saber transferring over to bow. It's the same, almost like the, you know, cause Sabine Ren from rebels had the dark saber and
00:31:29
Speaker
passed it over to Bo-Katan in Rebels because she believed that Bo-Katan is the true leader of Mandalore, rightfully so. But when that happened, it created division between all the clans because it needs to be won in combat per whatever one faction believes. So now to just do this again, I was like, oh, we're really gonna do this again?
00:31:55
Speaker
And then the story of I was captured, this creature took it from me, she slayed the creature, therefore this is rightfully hers. I didn't like that, to be honest, because I don't...
00:32:09
Speaker
I meant to rewatch that episode because I don't feel like the creature took it from Din and I don't really want to be picky like this and be one of those fans like he didn't really take it from him, but he didn't. He lost it. It's a little bit different. So I wasn't a fan of that. And I also wanted to see Din keep it and use it. And I just wanted them in that moment to be like, this thing is stupid.
00:32:31
Speaker
It's a weapon, and it's a visual for what we believe in, and it's something that has history, but it doesn't rightfully claim who's the leader of Mandalore. That's what I was hoping for, and we didn't get that. Instead, we're just passing it along and saying, yeah, you're the leader now. So I don't know. I just wasn't a fan of it, but I don't mind it. No, that's fair. I was...
00:32:58
Speaker
I was on board with it. So, I mean, again, the whole fight for me was cool. I love the, the jet packs being used, flamethrowers, just like you were saying, Angie, like it was cool visuals. I mean, when she was falling off, when they got on top of one of the ships, flying off, she puts like the rope around them or whatever, that was cool visuals. And yeah, she kicked his ass and that was perfect because she should. She is a better fighter than Axe, a hundred percent.
00:33:27
Speaker
But the whole passing the darksaber thing, I was totally, I was okay with it from the jump. I really was. And here's why for me, A, he's not wrong. Is it a technicality? Yeah, a hundred percent, a hundred percent. I'm not saying like this is a clean like pass off, but it works for me in that respect because A, for me, Din has never wanted that sword to begin with.
00:33:56
Speaker
It is a burden to him. And that's why he can't wield it because it's a burden. That's why it's so heavy. Because it's a burden to him. He doesn't want it. He's never wanted to be the ruler of Mandalore.
00:34:10
Speaker
And yeah, I'm with you. And you and I have talked about that. Like, yeah, let's, let's get Den to be able to wield. I get Sabine to help him. All that stuff. I was there, but now that this has occurred, I'm like, Nope. Okay. I'm cool with this because a bow does deserve it. Let's be honest. We all believe that.
00:34:30
Speaker
Is it like a technical like, you know, elder one type situation? Yeah, I get it. Like you disarmed him and then it passed on to this person and now it's his.
00:34:41
Speaker
I mean, to be fair, again, it does make sense because, yeah, Din was captured and yes, that guy did take it from him and threw it on the ground. Is he correct? Yes, from a certain point of view, he is. Did Bo grab it then and kill it? Yes, he's not lying at all. Is it like a technicality? 100%.
00:35:08
Speaker
But I'm OK with it. How do you feel that axe wolves gave in so quickly to that technicality? I'm again, I'm OK with it. You want to know why? Because again, they as long as it was. You know. The story behind of that, she defeated the one that defeated Din.
Leadership Qualities & Bo-Katan's Role
00:35:29
Speaker
I don't think they really care how quote unquote technical or legit it is, but as long as it was in a quote unquote battle,
00:35:39
Speaker
they're fine with it. I mean, was that thing wielding it against Bo? No. But again, he is right. Whether you like it or not, people, it fits. And I think it fits the story because again,
00:35:58
Speaker
Din has never wanted that thing at all. It has been a burden to him. That's why it's so heavy to him. That is why he was able to do that and he used that story. Yeah, now again, you can make arguments, well, why didn't he give it to her before? Maybe this wasn't, maybe there just wasn't that opportunity, right? There wasn't a reason, but now there is a reason, right? There's a reason to share what happened.
00:36:27
Speaker
You know, instead of maybe at that episode, no, you know, you beat that thing, you can keep the dark saber. No, he took it back, right? Okay. Could he gave it to it? Yeah, okay, I get it. Yeah, guys, he could have did it earlier, whatever. It's just how the story is being told. I'm not mad about it. I'm fine with it. It's a point of view thing. It works for me. Yeah, what I loved, and just like you, I would have loved to see him wield it. I would have loved to see him do all that stuff.
00:36:57
Speaker
But as a character thing, no, I'm good. I'm good, it makes sense. I'm totally cool. Bo deserves it more. And I think the more we are learning about the Darksaber, and I think you're right, Ang, I think it's gonna come to the point where it's going to be like, it's a symbol, right? You don't have to, quote unquote, win it in battle. I think that's gonna change. I really do.
00:37:24
Speaker
because of, you know, they are kind of, this is a new age, right? Or a new age. So I think this is gonna be maybe a part of that new beginning. Any other thoughts though, Ang, about the dark saber stuff? Final thoughts before we jump into chapter seven? I wonder after they got done with all that, how the show was, how the concert was that they were, you know, tailgating for. Were they about to cease nice noodles?
00:37:52
Speaker
Could have been, could have been Max Rebo in this band. I would have loved it. I would have loved it. That's funny. I get it. No, I get it. I get it. No, I mean, I get it. I was cool with it. I didn't really care about like the, where they were for me. It was more of the,
00:38:12
Speaker
the, you know, the situation and that it, what happened. I don't care how or where, but I get it though, that it probably, it could have like took people out of it. You know, I get it. I totally get it. A hundred percent, a hundred percent. Anything else to answer then we'll lower. Do you want to just jump into chapter 23?
00:38:33
Speaker
I am ready for the spies, chapter 23. Yes, kids. So we're moving on to chapter 23, episode seven, the spies written by Jamfayevro and Dave Filoni. This is his second credit of the season. He got credit in the episode where Grogu, we get Grogu slash back. He also got credit for writers. Director is Rick Famuia, which again, Rick is amazing. Love all his work so far.
00:39:04
Speaker
This episode is good, kids. I mean, let's just flat out talk about it. It's really, really good. I did not watch the recap before this one. Oh, neither. I didn't. Yeah, neither. I neither episodes. I didn't either. But I skipped this. This is your first time doing that. OK. Any particular reason? I mean, let's go into yours. I just I didn't want like to be led into what might possibly happen. But I did. L.O.L. later that
00:39:34
Speaker
The thumbnail for the episode had the armor in it and that the title is the spies. That made me LOL because I'm a little challenged on the title choice. Yeah. We'll, we'll talk about that. We'll definitely get into that whole situation, but any other, uh, Andrew, let me go into more of your overall thoughts, opinions, how you viewed that episode set the scene. Let's talk about it.
00:40:01
Speaker
I watched it before I went to work. I worked later that day and it was so fun. Just everything with Grogu, everything that transpired in the end, that episode was perfection for me. I really liked it a lot.
00:40:19
Speaker
I did not like that it made me want to speculate and figure out what is who is maybe and like you texted me and you said the armor is sus and I did not feel that way and from my initial watch and my second watch even my second watch because I watched it later when I got back from work
00:40:42
Speaker
And I was like, man, yeah, I'm just not seeing it. Nope, sorry. And then a lot of people had brought it up online at work. A couple of people texted me. What does Armor have to gain about all this? And I was like, man, I just don't see it. Sorry. So. I have changed my thoughts on that as well.
00:41:04
Speaker
the more I watched and the more I thought about it. Again, that was just definitely my initial reaction was she's sus. She's very sus. But now thinking over, and we'll dive deeper into her, but yeah, I did it because the title is called the spies, right?
00:41:22
Speaker
Is it a very misleading title? I think it is. I think it is for purpose, purposefully. I think they, I don't think the title of the spy comes off as, as great. So they probably just added the plural spies because it was just a general term. I think they're from the Midwest and they're like, we know there's only one, but we're going to pluralize it. Meyers, right. You guys don't understand Meyers targets.
00:41:51
Speaker
Walmart's like, again, guys, whoever, again, whoever created this title is from the Midwest. I 100% am going to believe that for sure. Wait, is Favreau from Michigan? No. No. That's not right. They might be from the, one of them is from the Midwest though, I thought.
00:42:11
Speaker
But anyway, but yeah, I don't know if, again, the title is very kind of, ooh, it brings a speculation, which we'll dive into. But again, this episode though, wowsies. You're right, Ange. This episode goes hard even before the title card shows up. Like, it is wild.
00:42:33
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, we just, from the gates, we are running. I mean, overall, again, just the shots are great. The music is fantastic. Again, acting is great. Again, when you're in space with some of those shots coming out of hyperspace, like all that is just,
00:42:57
Speaker
really really good again and this is setting up so much for a wild finale and that we'll speculate on but yeah I overall I enjoyed it a lot a lot of action a lot of great again comedic beats to it with Grogu continue to laugh out loud on that
00:43:17
Speaker
Yeah, I don't even care if some people find it good. I loved it. It makes so much sense. I loved it. I don't care if they did it for toy sales strictly. I don't care. It worked. Listen, I'm supposed to get a Mando Grogu tattoo this May the 4th. Oh, that's cool. I am very close to getting an IG-12 Grogu tattoo instead. I'm very close.
Humor & Speculations
00:43:44
Speaker
I support either one.
00:43:47
Speaker
I support either one, but it's yeah. I mean, for me overall loved it. It just leads to so much speculation again. Let's get into maybe some of that stuff before though. And any other overall thoughts you wanted to give before we kind of jump in and deep dive into it? No, let's just jump right into it. The cookie girl is on Coruscant.
00:44:10
Speaker
And she runs into a probe droid. Very nice touch. Loved it. Yes. Very, very nice touch. Very nice touch. Oh, hi, Kane. That's her name. Good old cookie girl. My mom calls her the cookie girl. What's cookie girl doing? I love it. I love it so much.
00:44:28
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, again, you, we jumped from the start, man. And it is, we get Gideon, which we have, you and I have talked about that. Like, when is he coming? And we, I think we have speculated that he was going to obviously show up towards the end of this season. And he did in a huge way, guys, like.
00:44:49
Speaker
Huge. He's been on Mandalore the entire time. Huge. Did I call that? You did. I know you did, because I remember you saying that, whatever episodes, earlier episodes. Yeah, I remember saying, I don't even think it was this season, Lauren. It might've been last year or last season. Me saying, I think Gideon just wants Mandalore for himself. He doesn't want to destroy it. He wants it.
00:45:18
Speaker
Yeah, I had to find, we have it on audio somewhere that you were on this train for a while. But he's been on Mandalore the entire time. He has Mandalorian like Stormtrooper commandos, which was amazing. I loved all that.
00:45:38
Speaker
And then we get the Sith, like the, not the Sith, but the, um, shadow council. The shadow council. Which had captain. Elliot. Bro.
00:45:51
Speaker
That was so good. I about, like, dropped. I was, like, pallying. And my thoughts just go to Rebels immediately when Thrawn's like, Get me, Captain Pallying. And he's, like, already in space with the space whales. So, sorry for your loss. But we know that is Thrawn's right hand man, though. Yeah, like, you read Air to the Empires, like,
00:46:13
Speaker
Captain Pelihan shows up before Thrawn does, you know, like in the book. So it's like he's the guy. He's the guy that's going to get you to Thrawn. And then they talk about that, that it's secrecy and Gideon hasn't heard anything about Thrawn coming around, which I love.
00:46:31
Speaker
because it just goes to show, like, you are not on the up and up of what's really happening here, mister. You just aren't. You're about to lose your footing very, very, very quickly. You're about to lose your job. That's what it is. You are not in the know, sir. You just aren't. I don't care if secrets are your stock and trade. You lost. You lost the minute you said, we need new leadership when you don't trust Theron.
00:47:00
Speaker
Get done, son. Sorry. Get done. Like, you are so done. You are officially named a pawn. You are now a chess piece up in front, taking hits for the big guys. Whether or not he knows that right now, yeah. Even if he is able to, whatever, come out of it, like, Thrawn is going to bring him down. If it's not our group of heroes,
00:47:27
Speaker
Throne is the one that's going to bring Gideon down. A hundred percent. Yeah. A hundred percent. You know, so you get pally and go ahead. Yeah. I love that Gideon has this, uh, delusion of grandeur, right? And he thinks he's the big bad. Like I absolutely love that because that's what the audience should see. Like they should see someone that is the big bad and this is who he is and him dropping in later in the episode with that helmet on. I mean, it was spectacular.
00:47:57
Speaker
absolutely loved it but this man is not gonna last he just ain't no he might make it to the movie maybe maybe but thrones gonna be the end of him what if it's not our group of heroes again if it's not a group of heroes
00:48:14
Speaker
Ron is going to like He's gonna take him off the board a hundred percent a hundred percent, you know, and then again within that shadow the shadow Collective shadow council, whatever whatever it's called. Yeah had brendal hucks kids That's huge That is huge huge and then and I love the actor is actually the gentleman that played Hux in
00:48:44
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. The actor that played him, that's his actual brother, his younger brother in real life. So that's amazing. That's like perfect casting for me. But you hear them talking, you hear Gideon talk about, oh, cloning's your thing when he brings up, I fear you've been cloning. He's like, wow, I don't know about you, man. He's like, no, you're the one into the cloning. Don't worry about it.
00:49:13
Speaker
He's straight up a lion, because of course he's cloning. He's doing something. He walks down that hall with those commando, mando troopers, which is really great. And then he walks by those big tubs of whatever's in there. His pickled snokes. Yeah, maybe. We'll find out. But yeah, he's been a mandalor the whole time. I think it makes sense, Ange. I don't know about you.
00:49:42
Speaker
It makes sense that that is where he's been. And it kind of makes sense that that's why people can't communicate, only he can. It's because they're probably doing like jamming, whatever. It all is wrapping up making sense in the end. That's why they were always been afraid of going back because they have been told, right?
00:50:09
Speaker
It's, it's poison. That's, you know, that you can't, obviously you can't communicate from the ground. You know, that's all by design because Gideon didn't want them to know that he's been there the entire time. Yeah. Who was the one Mandalorian that said that Mandalore is poisoned and ruined. Do you remember? It was the armor. Yeah, it was. It was. Right. I know. So again, we.
00:50:40
Speaker
Real quick to kind of get to, you know, we'll wrap up Gideon real quick. And then I, yeah, we definitely got to talk about the armor, that whole getting on to Mandalore stuff. But when he flew down at the end and that sick black Mando armor helmet had horns.
00:50:56
Speaker
Bro, I loved it. That was so good. I was not expecting him to have a whole Mando outfit. It was dope. I want that toy now though. I'll tell you that. It was good. I need that figure, like 100%. I need that Black Series figure. And I don't even collect those things. I would collect it for that because that thing was clean. I loved it so much. Here's my question though, Ange. I've been thinking about this for a few days. We know Gideon has obviously connections to...
00:51:25
Speaker
Mandalore Mandalorians, whatever Do you think and I don't know we we don't know his backstory as far as I can recall
00:51:35
Speaker
But do you think he might be an ex Mandalorian, whether maybe through the children of the watch or something, and maybe that's why he's so passionate about Mandalore? Because I feel like it's more than just being a Mandalorian fan or whatever. He's got to have a deep connection. What are your thoughts on that? Again, I think he might be an actual Mandalorian in some way, shape, or form. What do you think? I never considered that. Wow.
00:52:05
Speaker
Um, but I don't think so. I think he was just an Imperial officer that was assigned to that sector and he became obsessed with destroying it. Okay. Okay. I mean, I think he's going to be a Mandalorian. We'll find out that's going to be my speculation. We'll see. Wait, I think him having that armor though was really cool. And to have the horns on it, I know that's a big thing for people kind of connecting him in the armor.
00:52:34
Speaker
title is title is a spies we lot of people have been saying the armor based on some stuff that being one of them because she has horns in her helmets although they're obviously different but he has horns on his she has horns on hers
00:52:50
Speaker
But I think the armor, again, yeah, I did initially in my first watch, I said she sus. And I think a big thing of it did do that, that did it for me was because A, she conveniently left and didn't go to the forge, which is kind of surprising because that's kind of her thing, right? So, okay. But, you know, maybe you can throw it off too. Maybe she just wants to be helpful. Okay, all right.
00:53:20
Speaker
But then when he did show up with the horns on his helmet, I was like, okay, hold on. What's, what's the deal? What's the deal? You know, she talks, you know, she, and that whole montage of them coming onto Navarro, which was great. You know, in the, their huge ship with the, um, mythosaur symbol on the bottom of it. Great shot. Great shot.
00:53:44
Speaker
But her bringing these people together, right? Because she sent Bo to do that specifically. It's like, okay, then why would she, if she is the spy, why would she risk going back knowing that's where Gideon is? If she is the spy, that doesn't, you know, again, thinking about it now, that doesn't add up to me. So, Ang, your thoughts?
00:54:11
Speaker
Is she the spy? Are you not sold on it? I know you said you're not. You're not really sold on it. But give me more reasons why and give me your overall thoughts on the armor in this episode.
00:54:24
Speaker
So I'm not sold on it, but I did a lot of research over these last couple days. I rewatched The Sanctuary. I rewatched whatever the last episode was in season one where all those Mandalorian armor was laying there and she just comes walking out of that back room like, yeah, everybody got killed, but I'm good.
00:54:47
Speaker
Um, so I, I rewatched all of that. I rewatched a book of Boba Fett where she talks about Boak tea and crease. And there's a little bit of animosity there. Cautionary tale. So, um, I feel like I've done my research, my homework on the armor. He did better than I did kids. I'll tell you that.
00:55:12
Speaker
If she is the spy and she is Gideon's connection to Mandalore, if she's been paid off in some sort of way by the Empire and she's just trying to live in this small faction that she's in right now, like you said, why even bring up the idea of bringing them all together?
Loyalty & Leadership Theories
00:55:36
Speaker
except to bring them all into one place so that they can be destroyed. But she was fine with the way that they were living before. I think maybe she knew Gideon was on Mandalore, but then when she heard that there was a mythosaur,
00:55:58
Speaker
on a Mandalore. I like where you're going. Then she was like, hey, hey, hey, I don't want that guy to have that place anymore. We need to figure this out. And she's she's trying to do that on on her own. So could she have been the spy? But I don't think that's her intention anymore. I maybe that's where I go with. I like them. You want to know who I think the real spy is? And oh, yeah, what was your who do you think it is?
00:56:28
Speaker
You're going to kill me. I would never. What do you got? Boca Tancres. Interesting. People have been saying that. Lay down your evidence or why you believe that. What do you got? So the conversation when they met up with those other Mandalorians that were on that piratey type ship. And when that pirate ship showed up, I thought I was going to see Hondo. I was like, come on. Oh, I immediately thought Hondo as well.
00:56:57
Speaker
Um, I felt like when that interaction rewatching it is weird. It was almost like they were talking in code. Like he was like, do you have any food? And she was like, we do. And he was like, are you a night owl? And she was like, of course, or I should hope so. It was just, you wear the crest of the night owls and she says, I should hope so. It just sounded like code of like how you're supposed to behave.
00:57:27
Speaker
when you meet your enemies or you meet your enemies and the person that is the mole in there needs to tell you the situation, you know? That's how I saw that, that it was weird. You wear the crest of the night elves? I should hope so? That sounded weird to me.
00:57:46
Speaker
Then when they're all sitting there at dinner and she talks about how she did surrender to Gideon and she did give him the dark saber and he ended up destroying them anyway when Koska Reeves sounded like she wanted to speak up but then Bo wouldn't let her. It was almost like Bo needed to tell her version of the story, maybe not the version that Koska saw. So it was just really interesting to me.
00:58:09
Speaker
Then when they go down into the Forge and obviously there's Imperial Mandos that show up and Bow is the one that tells them to advance. And you get into that area that you can clearly tell is Imperial and they continue to run into it. And then once Ding gets separated from them, he's up in the front, Bow's in the back, weird.
00:58:30
Speaker
And then that door comes down and then she doesn't do shit while he's getting attacked. And she has the darksaber. She waits until after he's captured to cut a hole in the door. What? What? Like what? So I get it. I'm really like going out there and I have that look in my eye. Like I've gone over the edge. But
00:58:58
Speaker
These are the things in my head where I'm like, something doesn't add up, but maybe it just doesn't add up, right? Maybe I've watched it too many times, you know, where you watch things too many times and then all of a sudden you see somebody holding a cup of coffee in the background, you know, like I just watched it too many times. But those are my reasons. I'm going to say Bo-Katan. My other person is Axe Wolves because he leaves, um, also because
00:59:23
Speaker
He might have been the one that was hired to get Gideon out. Um, you know, he just kind of had another, how did I say he allows like boat? Like again, when I said like he was kind of cool with just making both the leader again with the dark saber, he was just like, yeah, sure. I'll buy it. Sure. She can be the leader because I know what's really going on in the background and I don't want to be a part of it. So I'll let her try to figure it out all she wants.
00:59:48
Speaker
So that's where I am. So it could be any of those three. There's plot points that get you to either of those three. The story that maybe it's Grief Karga and he planted a tracker. I hate that. I do too. So bad. So stupid. If that is it? No. No, I don't. I don't think so. Short answer. No, I don't think it's Bill.
01:00:19
Speaker
Cause that would just not add up at all. That would be a very big twist. Let's just say that. It would be a, but listen to my plot points. I just told you. No, I get it. No, I see it there. I see it. I don't think they connect that way as what I just disagree that I don't, I understand the plot points and it does. Like I can see where it would lead people to go down that path.
01:00:47
Speaker
My whole thing is then what the hell has this whole season been about them? I agree. I think it would have been that that just doesn't make sense. I agree. I agree 100 percent. And it makes me angry about the growth that we've had with both the growth that we've had with the armor. That's why I'm like, I hope it's exposed because he doesn't really mean anything to me. Right. He can he can be someone that stirs the pot and gets in the way of our our heroes.
01:01:16
Speaker
you know, achieving their goals, but the armor and bow, I also thought, what if they're both in on it together? Now you're getting too far, Ang. Now you're getting too far. Bro. I like where your mind goes. You know, I always follow it and I'm with you. Thank God I have that day off. I have Wednesday off too. Maybe we should watch it together in the morning.
01:01:46
Speaker
We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. But no, I mean, for me, again, at first, I would say armorer, right? Again, I get it. But the more I think about it, again, it leads me to roads where, like, it doesn't add up. Why would she do this, this and this then? It doesn't add up. Right. Again, Bo, I get it. The steps are there. They could lead us there. But again, I go circle back to
01:02:11
Speaker
What the hell was this all about, then? Like, I don't. Why would she want to take Mandalore back if she knew Gideon was there all the time? The other thing that makes me think this better not be Bo. Bo better not be the spy or the twist or anything because of that conversation that Din and her had the night before. Yep. That was some moving stuff. And it was beautiful. I absolutely loved it. And it was the point. It's where we're trying to get to in this story. And with this group of people, it was amazing.
01:02:41
Speaker
But it also made me think like that's didn't telling like it's not about station It's about loyalty and if he learns that the armor isn't loyal Well, that is really gonna throw him for a loop, right? See it could lead again the armor could Makes a little more sense to me because I think it could lead to bigger character stuff for din hundred percent Do I still believe it's her? I don't know. Honestly, I don't know who
01:03:11
Speaker
beyond Elia Cain, who the other spy is, to be honest, because there's just so many choices. Do you really think there is another spy? Do you really think that this title is going to get paid off in the next episode? Or it was just kind of like a misstep, do you think? I think, honestly, I think it was just, this is what they're going to title it. People are probably going to go crazy over, but it's going to mean absolutely nothing in the end.
01:03:40
Speaker
Not not to say nothing. I don't want to say that because it is gonna make sense again. We know a liar is right
01:03:46
Speaker
So I don't know if they were just kind of saying, hey, there are spies, right? There are spies like Elia everywhere. And the shadow council, they're trying to pretend like they're just unorganized warlords and they're not actually creating this and following up with this contingent plan of the emperor and rebuilding the emperor. Project Cinder. Yep. Right. So are they the spies?
01:04:15
Speaker
Know I go with it. I go with that route more than anything. I really do I don't think it I think it's not a bait-and-switch, but I think it's just I think as a fandom honestly, I Think we're looking into it a little bit more than we probably should be But I think it's purposeful again because they want us to be thinking in these terms. I
01:04:39
Speaker
Right. I think that's the purpose of this title is for us to think, all right, well, then who can we trust? Right. Right. Like that's kind of the whole point of it because the whole episode is like, who do we trust? Who can you trust? You know? And then there's also those other Mandalorians that they ran into, right? Everybody was like, right. Again, they knew where to go to the Forge. You could have make an argument for them. Like they survived. They survived this entire time. Right. Yeah.
01:05:09
Speaker
I think they again to your point about how shady that conversation is I I look at it in the opposite way of those guys were shady as hell Because I feel like those questions they were trying to make sure it was her Right because Gideon knows it was bow on the way because of yeah, yes yes, but again those guys are
01:05:37
Speaker
They were going to the Forge, a big monster comes out. They could have never planned that. Right. And then they were right there. Right. So I get, yeah, again, you, there are, you see things, but then there's like, wait, hold on. That doesn't add up to that. Then that's the purpose of this whole thing. I think with the title is that it's supposed to make you wonder. It's supposed to make you think, you know,
01:06:03
Speaker
Again, I really don't know. Again, I initially thought armor, 100%. But the more I watched, the more I kind of just think on it, sit on it. I'm like, that doesn't add up for me. It just doesn't add up. Axe is an interesting one. Again, you can make an argument for that. Because maybe he's the one that honestly got Gideon out.
01:06:30
Speaker
Like maybe he was the one and he's being paid to set them up. Right? I don't, right. I don't, man. I don't know. I don't know, man. It's just, it's, it, it could be anyone, but I do want to mention that you mentioned it and that speech that Din or the conversation that Din and Bo had, that's huge for both characters.
01:06:53
Speaker
you know,
01:07:11
Speaker
and acts while they're heading to the Forge right which was amazing and then I don't want to bury the lead of Grogu IG 12 yes and no which was classic we'll get to that but when when Grogu does separate them he just says no no no
01:07:28
Speaker
That was good stuff. But again, that leads to that conversation between Bo and Din, and she's like, I don't know, how am I gonna do this? She's like, I only have this weapon. She believes in that weapon. She believes so bad that because she has that thing, that she is going to be able to unite everything. And I love Din's like,
01:07:53
Speaker
Bro, it ain't about that for us. I only know anything about that blade because of you. It means nothing. It means he says that. It means nothing to me, my people. What matters to me is loyalty, character. And that's why he follows her. And that's why he will follow her until her song is written. Because it's not written yet. That is some deep Star Wars stuff, kids. Deep.
01:08:22
Speaker
Deep. I mean, it's, it's beautiful. So, and it's kind of your thoughts overall with that conversation and just, again, it was deep, really deep stuff. Yeah. I, it really encouraged her to think of a different way.
01:08:40
Speaker
of how she's going to do this because, again, like you said, she thinks like, I have this dark saber, everybody's gonna believe rightfully so that I am the leader. And Din's like, my people don't even know about that. And then his commitment to her, it was just stunning. It was absolutely awesome. So
01:09:03
Speaker
It's just like there's this whole new way, this tribe, these people, this group of this faction can be raised up in and be a significant part of the galaxy again.
01:09:21
Speaker
And that is kind of what sets the fear into the Empire as well, too. If Mandalorians are not divided, they are a huge force within the galaxy. Oh, he just says that, right. Yeah. And that's why they continue to...
01:09:37
Speaker
just see these cracks and exploit these cracks within them. I just hope we get past that finally for them and that they become this society and this group and the civilization that can go back to honoring their past but strive towards living a new way. I don't know. I don't even know if we get there.
01:10:03
Speaker
I would hope so. I hope so too. I do. I feel like that's maybe the road. I know I think earlier this season I felt, and I think you and I both talked about like this, the road leads to maybe din leading, right?
Grogu's Growth & Conflict
01:10:17
Speaker
It's not that road anymore. I think it's the road of Mandalorians coming together finally. Maybe it's not din leading.
01:10:27
Speaker
I always thought Grogu was going to be the leader. Yeah, that's still kind of in play for sure. It is. For 100%. Speaking of Grogu, that's a segue, kids. I'm going to point it out again. Very, very funny stuff. When he was eating that street food,
01:10:49
Speaker
I mean, let's just talk about how IG-11 is now IG-12. Very cool. And Zillion. I can't remember if that's how you pronounce it. And Zellin. Zellin is roboting it. I love it. And he says, you know, bad baby, no squeezy. Now there is something real quick. I want to talk about that because there's something going around online. And I think even Instagram recently, Twitter did, or Instagram, Star Wars,
01:11:18
Speaker
they did that portion of it. And I don't know if you heard anything, Ang, but after he says no, uh, bad baby, no squeezy, he says more. And it sounds like he says I'm effort. That's what everybody's saying. I haven't relistened it like with, with the volume really up. But then I saw that instant. I saw that Instagram post by on star Wars. I was like, wait, did, did they really drop that in there? Like real quick. And it just kind of flew under the radar. Did you hear that at all?
01:11:48
Speaker
I didn't hear it. The captions say speaks in Anselin. So it doesn't translate it or anything like that. I didn't lean in on that. I saw the chatter going around. I think the guy just said MFR, but yeah, I was like, I'm too focused in on the baby like waddling, you know, and then like Greif's picking them up and I'm like, be careful, be careful.
01:12:16
Speaker
Yeah, I was, I loved it when grief puts him in it. And then just, you know, did like, did like, you know, I don't think in, you know, I don't think he's ready. And he's just like, no, like, I love it that the first words, quote unquote, are through a droid. That makes so much sense. Right. It really does. Like this all adds up. It might be an inside joke.
01:12:44
Speaker
for the people that make this show to have him in a mech. And maybe it's to sell toys. I don't give a damn. It worked for me. It worked for me so well. So give me all your ha-has or what was going through your mind when that all happened? It was so good. I mean, that's the Star Wars humor I just love.
01:13:07
Speaker
You know, it's just like, Oh, so pure and funny. I just love it. No. Yes. What do you mean? No. Yes. What does that mean? Like it was so good. And, and just didn't playing it off as like, he's just like this.
01:13:23
Speaker
this like dad that's like what what are you even talking about like I loved it and then him just though you could see his little arms like pushing the button and then you see him controlling it and then you see the IG's hands just like you know stiff arming it's so good so good oh I don't think it overplayed though either I think it was like perfect about like it started
01:13:52
Speaker
And then they go into the street, right? And he's just saying, yes, yes, yes. And you're like, right, you're right. You're right along with him. Like, yes, yes, yes. And then he goes to that street vendor, takes the food. And then he's holding it up high so he can't get the Meilu run. It worked for me. Again, that's peak Star Wars humor when it's done well, right? But then I love how they show that and then
01:14:19
Speaker
you fast forward to him saying no and separating paths and acts. And yeah, maybe it's supposed to be a little bit funny, right? Like he's saying no, but it's like kind of a huge deal for Grogu to step in.
01:14:37
Speaker
and be like, guys, no. And I love how Bo is like, you know, oh, it looks like you taught him well. And he's like, he didn't learn that from me. That's the second time that's happened. So who do you think taught him that? Is that a Luke thing or is it? I feel like maybe it's a, it's an anti-Bo thing where, cause she's been talking about like unifying the Mandalorians, right?
01:15:02
Speaker
That's kind of where my head goes at one point. I know Luke's kind of an easy choice for sure. It would probably make more sense. Yeah, it seems like a Jedi way of thinking, you know, to not use anger and aggression to solve a problem. So yeah, he could have learned it from Keller and he could have learned it while he was on the Jedi temple. So I assumed it was
01:15:30
Speaker
a Jedi teaching, but I do like how you're saying it. It could be him just paying attention to both struggles and what she's been saying, and that he wants to support that. The little head bow I thought was very interesting as well too, because if it was a Jedi
01:15:47
Speaker
Teaching that made him do that is he? Coming around on which which path he wants to follow or going back on what he wanted to do It's or it's it's interesting Yeah, no, I mean, I think you can take it again. You can take it a couple ways, right? Could be total teachings it would make sense, right? I
01:16:11
Speaker
was able to teach in the Jedi, Jedi temple, Luke would probably, you know, hammer about the fact that, you know, peace, right? Peace. We're supposed to bring peace. But I feel like it just, because of the series and because we've been with Beau so much this season, I feel like he, that's more of a
01:16:33
Speaker
connection and like you're saying he understands what she's going through in that the struggle of uniting these two clans and he's just trying to you know try to help help her out I loved it I loved everything about I loved everything about IG 12 and Grogu I can't wait for that action figure
01:16:56
Speaker
It's going to be amazing. I'm getting that one for sure. I will get every single possible version of that. I can't wait for the for the Lego fig. I can't wait. It's going to be so good. Or the Black Series. Yeah, it worked for me. I know maybe some people thought it was a little bit goofy. I think it was perfect. I thought it was perfect. I did too. I thought we were done with IG 11, but.
01:17:23
Speaker
And then cause when, when group said he had another gift and I was like, Oh, I G 11. And I was like, man, did they find a memory circuit? Like, did they just go and do that on their own? Oh my God.
01:17:36
Speaker
And I like how, again, it's not IG-11, it's IG-12. Yeah, I liked it. It worked for me. And just how, I just love seeing how excited Grogu got. And when he saw that, that, and Zillow was controlling it, and he was like, oh, I could do that. It was perfect. It was just a kid with a new toy, right? It's like us being kids when we saw Star Wars action figures and all that. He got excited and he just wanted to play with it and just have fun.
01:18:07
Speaker
Again, dead being the dad though, like this isn't like his, him saying like, this isn't going to work for me. This isn't working for me. I loved it. It was so good. Like, this is not what I imagined this was going to be like. This is not working for me. No. Yeah. No, I agree.
01:18:23
Speaker
Any final thoughts and and the Grogu stuff I do 12 anything before we move into like the final final battle that we get with now It's even on all my rewatches. It still makes me laugh smile chuckle. Yes, absolutely loved it. Say me too me too I still I crack up at it all the time. So again throughout this this episode the big thing is we get to Mandalore and
01:18:48
Speaker
Gideon's there we get to the Forge and we see those super commandos and then I feel like I know you mentioned earlier and so you felt like Bo said advance and maybe she was setting them up again. I could totally see it I get where you can get those connections But for me, it's more of they were retreating to have them follow them, right? I mean, oh, yeah, it was a complete trap, right? Right hundred percent. Yeah, right hundred percent. It was a trap but
01:19:18
Speaker
That final, again, the battle, getting coming down in the sweet, sweet armor, and then Paz. Paz. Paz being a real one. And just gets everybody out.
01:19:32
Speaker
that was some really really good good action I mean talk about a great finish for him because I wasn't a fan of him for a long time and I don't think anybody was because he was tough even from what season one and season two
01:19:49
Speaker
Yeah, even even in season one when didn't brings the armor that best car to make his stuff pass comes in here in there and gives them crap and says like oh this this guy sits with our enemies and blah blah blah and then they have like a little fight. So yeah, it was hard to like pass and then
01:20:11
Speaker
I mean, I couldn't believe it, Lauren. I thought he made it. I was like, dude, he threw those last two off the cliff, like he got it. He's- We're good, right. He's, we're good. No. Those damn Pateria guards show up. What'd you think when you saw them? I, that was cool. Cause they, obviously we, we get the name drop earlier, right? Right, right. Where Gideon requested that from Palian and
01:20:42
Speaker
Hux, Brendal Hux. And they said they would give it to him. Didn't know it was going to be that quick, but here they are, three of them, showing up with their awesome weapons and just easily taking paths down.
01:20:57
Speaker
Again, unfair because Paz was probably super tired, to be honest. But still, those guys, he didn't have a chance, unfortunately. I mean, the whole the whole scene was just great. Him shutting the door. This is the way his blaster just just on fire and melting. And then I love any time someone's like gun doesn't work anymore and they just throw it at somebody. That's the first thing that they do. That's the first thing to do. Oh, let's have him throw it at you.
01:21:28
Speaker
So it was such a good scene and then it was just like so then I think like man Ragnar is gonna be pissed you know, that's I mean that's I can go there like now now Ragnar has a little bit more of a Like a story to be told because of what happened and I can get behind that. Yep. So yeah, I liked that
01:21:52
Speaker
I couldn't believe it, Victorian guards. I was shocked that we got them. They looked clean, too. They looked good. Let me ask you this. Who do you think bombed Bo-Katan's castle? Oh, it was Gideon. I think it was Gideon, 100%. Then why did he ask for Thai bombers if he already had them? Maybe he wanted more? It just seemed weird to me. That's a good question, though.
01:22:21
Speaker
I think maybe he was requesting more because more because of the fleet that they had Acquired. All right. Okay. I'll take that maybe you know, but yeah, I still think he was the one that did did that to Bose Castle 100% I do I believe it Okay Because again, if you think about it, she's close. They're close to Mandalore. So that made sense. I
01:22:48
Speaker
But, okay, in the beginning of the episode, when Elia Cain tells Moff Gideon that Din D'Jaren and Bo-Katy and Kreese have teamed up together and he says those two factions hate each other, but when Bo's castle got bombed, she was with Din.
01:23:12
Speaker
Well, I think he meant that the, his faction and Bo working together, that would never happen. Gotcha. Right? Like obviously he knows Bo and Din are cool. That makes sense to me. That's how I, that's how I read it. Yeah. So, but yeah, I think because of a, the close proximity of where she is, where her castle was to Mandalore, a hundred percent makes sense.
01:23:38
Speaker
Right. And he was ordering more bombers because he knew what was coming. That kind of just how in my head, that's how that tracks for me. But I mean, again, seeing. Seeing how all this plays out now in the finale, I know you said you had some speculation, all that stuff. And let's hear it. Let's go down that. Let's go down the rabbit hole. What do you got? What's what's your first, first rabbit hole you want to go down?
01:24:08
Speaker
Well, I haven't gone too far of thinking like, what's going to happen in this next episode? I just don't want to be there. But you know, we talked about like, I think maybe it's Boca Tan.
Finale Expectations & Predictions
01:24:18
Speaker
I think I think we're about to get twisty twisty. And it's gonna be Boca Tan and I'm not gonna like it. And why is Star Wars doing this to me? Um,
01:24:32
Speaker
I don't think I, I get nervous that there's just not enough time left, right? You got one episode left and our hero is captured and there's an all out war about to happen against this race of people. And we're going to do that all in one episode. So I'm kind of like, I have no idea what's going to happen. I just don't, but I feel like it's going to,
01:24:59
Speaker
It's going to be coming in hot right from the get go is my anticipation is we're literally going to be Bo Katan coming out from, and she's going to be on top of Mandalore and there's going to be an attack on that fleet. I think it's just going to be coming in hot right from the beginning. So I think it's going to be a wild ride, but I am just like, I just feel like there's not enough time. Do you think the mythosaur is going to come back in this episode? You hinted at an episode, what, two?
01:25:30
Speaker
Haven't you know, gone back to it. Will Bowe ride that thing and that's how she destroys Gideon. Well, I kind of think yes, because there was the name drop of her telling them that there are creatures that have been like
01:25:49
Speaker
homes that have have re emerged because of the destruction that has happened. But then I was like, maybe that was just to like, throw in that creature at the end of the one episode. But it makes me believe like that's like, that's your, your foreshadow for the mythosaur again. So I think but I don't think there's enough time you think Boba Fett's gonna show up? What is with people thinking Boba Fett's gonna show up?
01:26:14
Speaker
Well, I know Rick Famoia talked about at Celebration how this, you know, they're supposed to kind of wrap it up all, right? Boba Fett, Mandalorian show, like it's all supposed to like, culminate in this last episode. My thoughts go here. A, again, hopefully Beau is not spy. I don't, this is from that point of view.
01:26:44
Speaker
I think she regroups, obviously. I think she does get that mythosaur, right? I believe this, that the Adelphi new Republic will show up because you've had Carson, right? From season one or no, season two, talking about how he knows something's going on, right?
01:27:14
Speaker
So maybe grief or maybe his investigation of this whole Mandalorian stuff leads them to Navarro. And then maybe grief's like, hey, you might want to go check Mandalore because they all went there. So you get the Adelphi squad and you get the ghost crew.
01:27:38
Speaker
And it all kind of leads into Ahsoka. That's where for me, I think the next part of the story goes from Mandalorian season three to obviously Ahsoka. We pick up those pieces in that show. And then maybe again, season four, right? We know Favreau's working on season four. We know he's writing it. So we know there's gonna be obviously another season. So yeah, will everything be kind of wrapped up in a bow?
01:28:09
Speaker
Yes and no, right? We're going to lead to the Ahsoka show. We're going to lead into Mando season four, maybe a book, a book, a book that season two, who knows? But then obviously it's all going to lead to that movie that we talked about, uh, in our celebration news drop, right? That Favro, Filoni. Well, no, it's Filoni. Filoni's directing this movie that deals with this new Republic and this remnants.
01:28:38
Speaker
of the empire. That's where I go with it. What do you got? Do we see Thrawn? See now that's where I don't know. I don't know if they're saving that for Ahsoka, even though in the trailer, thinking about it out loud in the trailer, you show the back of his head, right? Obviously we know in the exclusive stuff that they showed in the Ahsoka panel, they showed his face Lars Mikkelsen. We know this.
01:29:07
Speaker
You've name dropped him a couple times now within this series. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't show up, but then again, I won't. Won't be surprised if he doesn't, if that makes sense. I think we see him in an end credit scene. People have been saying that and I'm cool with that.
01:29:34
Speaker
I'm definitely cool with that if that's the route they go cool with it because again you have to set up that Ahsoka show in my opinion, maybe you don't have to But I mean you kind of did it for Boba book about that right you had the first two seasons of Mandalorian you set up Boba in season two that leads into book of Boba fat right now
01:30:00
Speaker
Was his story directly tied to Mando? Yeah, at the end of the show it was. Again, you can talk about that whole, but again, it makes sense because again, this is all supposed to come together, right? Rick said everything kind of ties together. Like a Boba Fett, Mando, Ahsoka, it's all in this universe, right? So I think that's where my thoughts go.
01:30:28
Speaker
as far as having Thrawn come up at the end, it would make sense, right? Because your name dropped him a few times. You showed the back of his head in an Ahsoka trailer. Yeah, man, I mean, why not show his beautiful blue face? Let's go. But then again, maybe you hold off on it. Does Gideon get defeated?
01:30:53
Speaker
See, I don't know if he gets defeated. I think they are able to maybe take Mandalore back. I don't think Gideon dies. I think he gets away, right? And I think that's where I think maybe he goes to wherever he can with the Shadow Council.
01:31:16
Speaker
And then maybe in a like, again, like you're saying like a credit scene where he's talking to the council and then our beautiful blue boy steps into frame. Oh, I would love it. And you know who we're missing from that council? Race loan. Thank you very much. Put her in a freaking live action. Why have we not done this already? She is so important to this part of the story.
01:31:45
Speaker
Why has race loan not been in a live action show or animated show? Dave Filoni, I want answers. I want answers. And maybe she shows up. Who knows? Maybe she shows up. I don't like, I would love it though, but I think she, that, that was a big miss for me. Maybe that wasn't the only thing that I kind of wish happened was that she was in that shadow council for sure. Next question is.
01:32:15
Speaker
Luke showing up. I don't want him to, let's just say that. Did you know you just sighed really loud? Oh yeah, no I did, because I don't want him to. I don't, and the reason is because we already had that moment. I don't want him to be the savior all the time, right? Like he's doing stuff, I get it, he is freaking Luke, Luke freaking Skywalker, I get it kids. There's a whole damn trilogy about him.
01:32:44
Speaker
He's the freaking son of Anakin Skywalker slash Darth Vader. I get it. He's important for this story. No, that's why I feel like it's going to be more of the Ahsoka crew, right? That's why I feel that's the reason Grog left Luke. Cause then we don't have to go back. Maybe we see him in Ahsoka.
01:33:11
Speaker
I could see that, but at this point, no, I don't think, cause then that just, for me, that just leads to a bunch of, Oh, well, you know, what's where, what's that? Why haven't we heard Luke doing these adventures before? You know what I'm saying? Like it could just get all like, you know, all those, you know, theories of what Luke's been doing and all this stuff, like,
01:33:39
Speaker
Don't want it now. Could he show up in the movie? Okay, I Wouldn't hate it. I would feel very
01:33:48
Speaker
Very off with it, only because I want the story to be what they have been setting up. And yeah, Luke's been a part of it, but he's not like a huge part of it. He was there at the end of season two, right, to take Grogu. Okay, I get it. He was in Book of Boba Fett showing training and then Grogu left. Okay, cool. All right, I'm done, I'm done, I'm done, I'm done. I don't need CGI, you know, deep fake loop. As wonderful as it was to get him, right? Like you and I, we gush about that stuff all the time. I love it. It's one of my top moments
01:34:19
Speaker
You know seeing him and Grogu and all that stuff hit him and Ahsoka. Yeah, dude. I want that Two-hour conversation on campfire With him and Ahsoka But no, I don't do you want it. Do you want him to show up? No You're good. It wouldn't make sense to me. I agree, right? It wouldn't add up at all
01:34:44
Speaker
at all. I don't think it, I don't think it would either. Do you think this finale is going to have like a big, like, like that finale, like season two finale? Do you think there's going to be, so season one finale, the big reveal was the dark saber, right? Right. Season two, the big reveal was Luke Skywalker. Right.
01:35:04
Speaker
Is there going to be a big reveal, Thrawn, right? I would think. Right, that could make sense. No, I can definitely buy them doing a Thrawn cameo. Oh, 100%. You set it up, right? You are setting it up, for sure. So yeah, just do it. Just do it already, right? And then again, that gets you into Ahsoka. And that's why I feel like
01:35:29
Speaker
You have the Adelphi squadron because again, Carson's been investigating. I think that his investigation will lead him to where they are. I do. I just feel like that's where the story goes. I could be totally wrong. Maybe they don't show up and maybe something else happens. But I feel like he shows up. Obviously we'll see Zeb again, which I would love. And then we see the ghost crew along with the Adelphi squadron with Ahsoka.
01:35:57
Speaker
And again, yep. And Sabine and Hera and Chopper. How freaking rad. Again, talk about your big end, right? You get all that? And then you have a Thrawn cameo at the very end? Bro, that's a finale. So you think Din Djarin is safe?
01:36:23
Speaker
is gonna be saved. You think that's not even on the table. I don't think so. It's a given. I feel like, I mean, do you think he's gonna be captured? Where do you go with it? There's not a lot of time left. Okay. That's where I go. So you don't, I mean, you think he's safe too. You don't think he's, or do you think he's gonna be captured? I don't. I don't stay captured. He might stay captured.
01:36:53
Speaker
I don't think there's enough time. Okay. I don't know. Okay. I just feel like it, I feel like they'll save him because again, I think you're leading into, this is just, again, I can be totally wrong, but I just feel that because Ahsoka is coming in August, you kind of wrap Mando stuff up, but you lead stuff into Ahsoka like Thrawn.
01:37:21
Speaker
You know, like there's a, as Ahsoka says in the trailer, she's sensing dark, right? Like there's, there's stuff going on. And I think this is part of that, right? That's just me. I know. What do you think? Last question. This is answering your question. Okay. When Ahsoka starts, will the first episode be called chapter 25?
01:37:45
Speaker
No, no, I think these will be called differently for sure. No, because you don't think so. You don't think it's going to be a part of the Mando chapter? Well, I mean, Book of Boba Fett wasn't chapter. They didn't have like chat. It was. Well, no, no, no. But I'm saying it wasn't like a continuation. It wasn't like chapter nine. Like Book of Boba Fett episode one wasn't chapter nine. It wasn't. I thought it was. No, it was just like I think it was just like chapter one of his of his show. Right. No.
01:38:17
Speaker
We'll have to research this. Oh, I swear. I swear. I'm eating goldfish. No, that's fine. Look it up because I swear it was just like they just did his own chapters, but it wasn't part of because if we are if you were in two seasons of Mando or three seasons of Mando, we've had eight each season. Right. And the first chapter of this. Let me see. Let's do the math real quick, kids. I know this is on the fly.
01:38:50
Speaker
Hold on. You're right, I'm wrong. Yeah, because chapter it was chapter 17 was this started this season. You're right. But can I see a soca having like chapter one or something? Yeah, I can see that, right? Like their own individual like chapters. I got you. I can see that. So you're right at that part out. No, no, we're keeping it because it's a fun conversation. Why not? Make me sound like an idiot. No, you don't sound like an idiot.
01:39:18
Speaker
I'm just kidding. We'll leave it in because we, everybody makes, everybody says dumb crap, but no, I do believe like you kind of, I, because we know they're telling that bigger story now, Ang, right? I feel like that's, that's just kind of where my head goes now. If I didn't know they're doing, doing a movie, I might be with you.
01:39:41
Speaker
I might be with you to where like, ooh, okay, maybe season four, we have to save dinner or something, right? I could see that. But because I know Ahsoka's coming in August and I know this is kind of like a connecting dots type of universe now, I think they kind of wrap up what they have to wrap up. And again, Rick said that this season kind of wraps up what has been so far
01:40:09
Speaker
been season one, season two, season three of Mando and the Book of Boba Fett show. So that's where I go with it. But what else? I mean, anything else that you think or do you want to see? I mean, I know you're saying how do they wrap everything up? I mean, hey, I'm assuming this is going to be as long as this previous episode. But again, I could be wrong. Maybe it's like 30 freaking minutes. I don't know. But I feel like they this is going to be a longer episode for sure.
01:40:38
Speaker
I heard a rumor it's short. Oh, did you? 38 minutes. Again, I could see it. I mean, again, you did a lot of heavy lifting in this episode. I feel like, yeah, maybe your next episode is a little bit shorter because you are wrapping it up as far as you're going in to save Din, Adelphi, like I'm saying, maybe the Adelphi come in and all that stuff. And you could do it in like 38 minutes, maybe.
01:41:05
Speaker
We'll see, again, we'll see. But again, I think you're gonna leave, you're gonna leave some of it open for the Ahsoka show too. And that's why I feel like, again, I don't think they're gonna wait another what? Two years if they keep Din captured? Because then you're gonna have to talk about it. Again, I feel like you would have to mention it in Ahsoka, right? You'd have to connect that dot.
01:41:36
Speaker
because he connected it in Book of Boba Fat, so I mean if you leave it out there, you know, I mean maybe she does save Din in Ahsoka, I don't know, you know, I don't, maybe, she'll be right. She'll be right, I don't know. What if Din dies? Just kidding. No, no, people have said that though, you realize that? People have theories that he's going to, they're gonna, he's gonna die.
01:42:01
Speaker
Well, I mean, that makes no sense. That makes no sense. To me, it's the Mandalorian, but I mean, I don't know. Maybe he's not the Mandalorian. That's kind of been said from the beginning. Maybe Grogu's the Mandalorian. Well, Rick, they talked about that celebration where they said, you know, the Mandalorian isn't really, it's not a singular thing anymore, right? It's grown. As the show, as the series has grown, that title now is kind of growing.
01:42:28
Speaker
I just don't think you don't kill your main character like that. Again, knowing that we have a movie and knowing that, again, Mandalorian is a big part of why we're having all that connect. You're not going to kill them.
01:42:47
Speaker
No, he's not gonna die. There's no way. It would make no sense. Absolutely not. So yeah, I mean, I know people are like, Oh, what if they, what if he has a mind flayer is gonna like mind flaked in. I'm like, no guys, I get it. It's fun. That's a fun. That's fun to talk about, right? That's fun discussion. Oh yeah. What if he doesn't have a mind flayer? What if he does do that to den? I'll be pissed. Right. And I know, I don't think they go that route. A again,
01:43:17
Speaker
There's a reason why you have not seen Dinda Jarn's face this year is because Pedro Pescale probably has not been on set at all. My opinion, I could be totally wrong. Maybe we see his face in this finale, I don't know. But I feel like he hasn't been there, A, because he's a busy dude, right? He shot The Last of Us for a very long time while Mando was shooting
01:43:43
Speaker
There's a reason why they did that storyline, I think, quick, where they had him redeemed early in the season. Because then they could be like, boom, OK, we don't have to have him take his helmet off now. Right?
01:43:57
Speaker
Like if you didn't get that done quickly, maybe people would have expected to see his face more. But now that you did it quick and now that he's redeemed, now that you know he follows that way, yeah, you don't have to take his element off. You know, the two people that do Din as well, Crowder and Wayne, Latif Crowder and Brandon Wayne,
01:44:26
Speaker
Brendan, I'm sorry, Brendan Wayne, they can just be under the helmet and do their thing. That's just how I feel about it. So I think that's why, no, I don't think we get a mind flayer scene, not to say that we won't, or that it's not possible, but I just, I just don't think that's part of the story. What do you think? I hope not. I just hope not. I feel like that, like I,
01:44:50
Speaker
I get it. You want to challenge your audience and make them go through emotions, but that would really hurt my feelings. That would be unnecessary. That would really hurt my feelings, Lucasfilm. Well, they'd be unnecessary too, though, right? Yeah, don't even do that. But. I mean, yeah, you never know. I hope, honestly, Grogu, this is my. I know this probably won't happen either, but like Grogu versus Gideon, why he's in the mech.
01:45:19
Speaker
I think that'd be wild. I don't know if that would happen, but I think it'd just be wild. Well, I kind of liked that because that was set up in season two when he had Grogu captured and he was talking about his force abilities. Like Gideon hasn't seen that Grogu can use his force abilities now and not get tired. So I hope Grogu kicks his ass. Or I want it to be Bo.
01:45:45
Speaker
If she's not the spy, I want Bo to fight Gideon. She's the spy. I know, I know you think she's a spy, but for people like me, you don't think she's the spy. I hope they fight. I hope she kicks his ass too. Either way, her and Gideon are going to link hand in hand. She's going to hand the Darksaber back to him. You stop it, Andrea. She's going to take his helmet and shine it up. You stop it.
01:46:13
Speaker
Well, how about a Grogu bow team up versus Gideon I before good I before it too. So good. Yeah, I can yeah, I think again for me will wrap up with final stuff I Get my fun speculation. I think You get Carson back. I really do just because we know in the background. He's been investigating I think roads lead to that so we could get Carson with some I
01:46:41
Speaker
And again, I think to set up Ahsoka and for people to get excited for August, you throw her in with the ghost crew. I mean, talk about mind melting. And then I think, Ang, I think you are right. As much as I don't believe, or maybe, you know, it's not high in my list, but I can see through.
01:47:04
Speaker
I could see Thrawn for sure. Cause you got to set that up. You had to set it up. So I mean your final thoughts. Yeah, go ahead. What do you got? People don't know what Thrawn looks like. Right. They just, they've been hearing the name. That's a good point. They don't know. You know, that's a good point. They don't know what he looks like. So you set that up. You set that up. I agree. And what are any final thoughts, final fun predictions, speculation before we wrap it up.
01:47:31
Speaker
Oh, I feel like I'm just going to be really full of anxiety and giddiness like the night before that Tuesday before that, that Star Wars Eve, you know, I hate that feeling. The nervousness of it all. The nervousness of it all. And then people try to talk to me about it. Hey, what do you think? And I'm like, shut up. I don't want to talk to you. I don't want to talk to you. You can't even say grief Karga's name. Don't talk to me. You keep calling him Apollo Creed. Oh dear Lord. I don't want to hear your theories.
01:48:02
Speaker
Oh, RIP. RIP to those people. I am happy I have it off. It just kind of happened that way. I have to work on Monday, so. No, I requested it off like a couple weeks ago. Very smart. Yeah, I was like.
01:48:15
Speaker
Because there's going to be a finale is pretty going to be pretty big. Yeah, it's just like a buzz that happens after it. You know, you just and it's fun to participate in everybody's joy or anger. So I'm sure there will be both. Oh, yeah, there's never never not going to be discourse about any new Star Wars for sure. So. All right, any last words before we wrap it up? Nope, I. I'm trying to go in as open minded as I possibly can.
01:48:46
Speaker
Yeah, no, I think we both are. I think we're both excited. And I think everything will make sense. I really do. I trust this team, right? I mean, I trust Filoni and Favreau. I trust Rick. I trust them that they know what they're doing. Obviously they haven't. Honestly, there has not been a moment where they have shown that they don't and haven't earned my trust anyway.
01:49:14
Speaker
You know, they, the story they've been telling has been great. They've been telling it the way they want to been telling it and it has been working for me. So yeah, I fully expect them to make everything make sense and to move the story along wherever it's going to go now. I lost my faith in them when they named this episode, the spies.
01:49:38
Speaker
Again, maybe we'll get maybe we'll get you know an answer, but maybe not I think that would be the greatest like oh I'll be the greatest troll job of all time And then like yeah guys it was just the title we we just like the title Better than just the spy we just like who should we put in the thumbnail the armorer the armorer should be in the thumbnail I don't know who decides that right no, but I get you I know I know I know it's crazy. It's crazy
01:50:05
Speaker
All right, kids, that's it. That's the show. I hope you guys enjoyed our wrap up of chapters 22 and 23 of The Mandalorian, season three. Get ready, kids. Finale is gonna be hot. It's gonna be good. We're gonna have probably a lot of thoughts and opinions. And then after that, we have plans of talking a lot about Ahsoka getting set up for Ahsoka.
01:50:28
Speaker
We're going to have some some, I think, fun topics.
Future Topics & Conclusion
01:50:30
Speaker
I know Andrew and I have talked about a whole Thrawn topic that both of us are very excited to talk about because he is our favorite blue man, blue villain in Star Wars. So we're going to have some fun after. There are two. There are two blue villains. So you ain't wrong. Right now. Right. Cad Bane and there's Thrawn. Yeah. Two of our favorites. When people think that they're related. Clearly you haven't watched Star Wars and clearly they both have red eyes and they're blue.
01:50:58
Speaker
Big difference kids. Let's just look at species Yeah, we're super excited. All right, you guys can follow us at the galactic you can follow the galactic podcast at the galactic pod on Twitter and hive and then you can follow and listen to all of our other episodes on Apple pod Google Play Spotify The major platforms kids were there go give us a rain review to keep let us know you're enjoying our show tweet at us You know, we'll tweet back at you and we'll have some fun for sure
01:51:28
Speaker
And then you can follow me, Lauren Romo at Lauren O's on Twitter and hive. You can follow me, Andrea Guti Erez at r2d2step on Twitter. Not much BTS news going on. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. Yes, there is. Jungkook is with some producers possibly making music for a new album. He was also at Coachella watching Bieber and I'm super excited for that. And that's been your BTS update kids for this week. Yep.
01:51:59
Speaker
As always may that force be with you always always