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S2 After Pshow: To The Spirit of Steve Franks Part 2
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Series spoilers abound! We’re talking ALL of Season 2 and eating Drunken Pineapple-Upside-Down Cake while drinking our Carlito Cafecitos (check our social media for recipes!). What a season this has been-- family drama, friendships blossoming, and 16 murders! We recap where everyone has landed at the end of the season and discuss all of our favorites to come. Join Kylie and Skyler as kick back and relax during the After Pshow (Season 2)!
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00:00:20
Speaker
All
Introduction and Podcast Overview
00:00:21
Speaker
right. hi everyone, and welcome to the Psy6101, where we discuss everything about the world of Psyche and the antics of Sean and Gus in sunny Santa Barbara. I'm Skylar, and this is my partner, Kylie.
Season 2 Retrospective
00:00:31
Speaker
And today we will be discussing all of Psyche Season 2 in our after show. Yay!
00:00:41
Speaker
It's fun to do the after show. it's It just feels like we're off the rails. Not that we're ever really on the rails. I know. So we watched um or listened to one of the Psychologists Are In podcast and we were listening to it and it was so funny.
00:00:57
Speaker
I thought um them being like, well, we're not really on track. And I was like, this is not on track. I was like, we're not on track. I was like, we're we're like totally down the road. But we're not on track.
00:01:10
Speaker
They're professionals. oh Not here. Nope. It was great. We listened to the finale one.
Themed Snacks and Nostalgia
00:01:20
Speaker
Yes. um And Steve Franks was on and I just took so many notes. I'm just like, he's just, it's so fun to listen to them talk about like the making of it.
00:01:30
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. But before we get into that, should we talk about our snacks? I know we ended our last episode with like, what were we going to do? We'll figure that out. So, We have very definitive snacks now. We have a boozy pineapple upside down cake.
00:01:46
Speaker
Yes. A nod to Psy vs. Psy. Yes. However, ours were not in Easy Bake Ovens. No. Not recommended. no Yeah. We tried to do a good one, which Sean struggled with that.
00:02:01
Speaker
Yes. To be fair, I mean, Easy Bake Ovens are tough. Yeah. Things are an art. i don't Did you have an Easy Bake Oven when you were a little? I did when I when i was a kid, yeah.
00:02:13
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but i I don't think I had it for long. I'm pretty sure I hurt myself on it. Oh, really? Yeah. Because it got like, I mean, it's just a light bulb. But after a while, it did get pretty hot.
00:02:23
Speaker
That's what I was going to say. Like, yeah I imagine you would need some parental supervision and and help. So it's almost like, why bother? You could just bake for real. curve Correct. With the same involvement.
00:02:36
Speaker
Yeah, true. And honestly, much faster time. Probably less involvement. True. Yeah. Less supervision. Yeah. um we definitely had one but i don't really remember yeah i feel like we didn't have it like i feel like it was one of those things where it was exciting and and then you did it once and the novelty was gone yeah it wasn't like you were making something good yeah totally yeah yeah because it wasn't as if it was really like i made this delicious cake it was yeah it was more like sean running around being like why did well somebody eat my upside down cake yeah
00:03:12
Speaker
Exactly. I mean, yeah, I think I'm sure it was fun. I'm sure I enjoyed myself. Yeah. But... Yeah. I also feel like it's so tough as a kid to remember, and at least for me, to remember anything. I have such a horrible memory.
00:03:24
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um So I don't really remember very much. but Yeah. I know I had the box. I have the box still because it's very like, you know, but vintage nowadays.
00:03:36
Speaker
Again, scary. Wait, you have the box still? Mm-hmm. Oh, wow. my In my ah parents' house in my closet. um oh it's still there which is why i know i had one yeah that is really fun yeah it's like a relic it totally i yeah i don't know if anything's in it it literally might you just like save the box my my dad's a total pack rat like he he doesn't get rid of anything so yeah makes sense Well, you'll have to pull it out someday and see if there's an easy bake oven in there. Oh, I should.
00:04:07
Speaker
If there is, we might be making pineapple upside down cake.
Baking Adventures and Recipes
00:04:10
Speaker
After show part two where we bake an pineapple upside down cake. This reminds me of... This is a tangent, but I remember going to a Girl Scout camp as a child and we made ovens out of like a box and foil.
00:04:27
Speaker
And then don't know if we just left it outside or buried it or something. i feel like we probably didn't bury it because that would have made it cold. I think it was something with like... the foil the way the sun like interacted with the foil like cooked it and we made hey cherry dump cake which was basically just like cherry pie filling and like a box yellow cake mix over the top or something like that that sounds good and it was delicious so alternative to easy bake oven the girl scout method of a foil box i'm sure an easy bake oven it's a internet somewhere yeah yeah
00:05:09
Speaker
If you're feeling crafty. um Yes. Yeah. And then we have our Carlito Cafecito. Yes. We've affectionately named it that.
00:05:20
Speaker
That doesn't come from anywhere but our brains. Coffee with four creams, three sugars? Four creams, three sugars. Yeah, something around that. I think both of us ah didn't go the full. No. That sounds bad. sounds really bad for you. And just like not tasty. It just sounds not good, which I usually drink black coffee. Do you drink coffee much more?
00:05:41
Speaker
ah When I do drink coffee, it's usually just um coffee and then ah little bit of like oat milk in there. But I usually drink tea.
00:05:53
Speaker
Nowadays, matcha. I like matcha. That's what was thinking. Yes. Yeah, I just do black off coffee. Yeah, I love coffee. um But for this, I just added a little Like ah flash a of vanilla flax milk. That's what I had on hand. And then like a pinch of sugar. There you go. And that is my nod to Carlito.
00:06:19
Speaker
Which that was a nickname Sean gave him in one of the episodes, right? Okay. I'm like, we didn't totally pull that out of our No, not totally. yeah But the cafe city. Yes, we referenced him.
00:06:30
Speaker
There was like a lot of references to him and his coffee this season, in which is why we were talking about it. And then, yeah, we thought it was funny that he called him Carlito. Yeah. And our boozy, I don't think we mentioned our boozy pineapple upside down cake. We used Goldschlager. Yes, of course. Which is what Gus and Mira got drunk on Motherland. Wherever they were.
00:06:53
Speaker
Oh yeah, Mazatlan. Of course. Mazatlan. um Yeah, did you track down Goldschlager? i I did not, so I just have rum.
00:07:04
Speaker
I thought that I did. you want to see it? Yeah, totally. It's not that cool, but it does have gold in it. Really? Yeah. Oh, fancy.
00:07:18
Speaker
Ooh. I did do rum and Goldschlager because I felt like um who the so shiny rum was like appropriate for the pineapple.
00:07:30
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Yes. um But yeah, it's a cinnamon liqueur. I'm like i' happy to have this on hand. It's nice. yeah It kind of tasted like Fireball or like a Red Hot, but without the spiciness.
00:07:44
Speaker
So that was nice. that's actually – that sounds nice. Yeah. and I went to two different places and couldn't see it. So I was like. oh yeah totally like you know you went to like a liquor store oh yeah proper yeah i feel like it'd be good in like some eggnog really tasty yeah i feel like you could really do some festive stuff with it so you know a worthy investment h yeah so soaked the fruit In yeah some booze. How do you like your pineapple upside down kick? Have you tried it yet? or I haven't tried it. I was waiting for this moment. Okay.
00:08:19
Speaker
Well, yeah do it. Here we go. And what did you do? You know, I don't think I've ever had pineapple upside down. hadn't either. Now that I think about it.
00:08:30
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And you know... I don't necessarily know if it tastes like pineapple. ah my Mine doesn't have real pineapple in it. I'm not a baker. I'm much more of like a cook, if you know what i mean. So I went the the easy way. I got a, think it was Duncan Hines or Betty Crocker, like pineapple supreme cake mix.
00:08:55
Speaker
and Oh, so it was actually a pineapple cake mix? Yes. And instead of water, I put the rum. Oh, okay. so um Did you put any fruit on top? Mm-mm. I didn't put any fruit.
00:09:08
Speaker
so it's not bad. When I was making it, I was like, smelled kind of interesting it definitely tastes better than it smells sounds nice it is isn't too bad this was my did i show my full one it's so pretty yeah i did the fruit on top i think i would the cake is very nice and it's fine with the fruit but i would prefer not to have it there i don't i don't know how i feel about warmed fruit don't think like warm fruit hence why i left it out Yeah.
00:09:37
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I mean, yeah I just like fruit just like usually just as itself. Yeah. Not in a whole lot of other great mutations, but it's fine.
00:09:50
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But I did, I soaked, so i it's got the little pineapple rings on top. I'll post a picture. um And then like the cherries. And so those I just like let sit in the rum Goldschlager mixture for a while.
00:10:03
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Yeah. And the recipe I used was from Connoisseur's Veg. h um Which I think is a play on Tyrannosaurus Rex.
00:10:15
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um But the cake was like is very yummy. Would make again. And probably just not have fruit on it. Yeah, it's not... I mean, it's a whole thing.
00:10:27
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It's not bad. but just don't know if I've ever had pineapple upside down cake. Yeah. It feels very like 80s or something. Like they would have, you know, they made weird things in the That's true. Not to diss you if you're a big fan of Bright and Long Pie Pie Pie cake or other 80s delicacies. Yes, That's how it feels.
00:10:49
Speaker
You know, like... don't know. i feel like they like threw mayonnaise in things. yeah and like Well, it reminds me vaguely, and I don't think these two are connected in any way, shape, or form, but it reminds me vaguely of like the the Jell-O with stuff in it, which that always kind of freaked me out.
00:11:07
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um Or like the the meat with stuff in it, you know what I mean? Yeah. That also kind of freaked me out. Yeah, because I feel like it's the canned fruit, maybe. like Because there's that there's like a wartime feel to Yes, yes. So like maybe not 80s, but like 50s.
00:11:24
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Yes, there you go. Like, ah you know, when they were very into like, yeah, just hot things. Like I feel like if you look at 50s recipes, they're just like. Yeah, they are. And I'm sure there's that like, historically, I'm sure there's a reason for that.
00:11:39
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Like.
Cultural References in Psyche
00:11:42
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Yeah, maybe it was like a a semblance of a holdover from wartime and they just didn't have access to the same types of things. But it is. well Well, not. I mean, I feel like and they had access in a different way because I feel like it was like a boom of like manufacturing and processing and stuff.
00:11:58
Speaker
So it was like more processed foods coming in in the 50s. And so like they were very into food. that kind of thing i don't know i'm just you we're speculating yeah we don't know we could do some research one day
00:12:14
Speaker
but yeah um much better than what sean made his pineapple upside down cake yeah out to be yeah and not bad not bad no not bad very yummy i just yeah And I was – I'm always like – I haven't been super impressed with like the vegan cakes that I've bought. That's fair. From like bakeries because, ah you know, it's not their – It's forte. Yeah. yeah And I feel like I'm getting to the point where it's like i need to figure out how to make – yeah i need to just figure out vegan cake that i like for birthdays and stuff i have to give you um i have a vegan chocolate cake recipe that is like de delicious i've brought it to ah work before like we've had potlucks and i brought it to work and everyone raved about it and didn't know it vegan i was like okay yeah send it over because i was like this cake i would totally make again
00:13:10
Speaker
yeah I'll have to next time it's from a cookbook so next time i'm at my parents house because I think it's still there okay I'll take and send it to you do you remember that um that place in the village on Bleecker Street by Chloe that vegan place it's from her ah okay yeah I never went there really That's crazy to me. The food is actually really good.
00:13:32
Speaker
I'm sure it was. Yeah. Yeah. And I know of her. i feel like I was always busy or something. yeah you Yeah. You had a lot going on in college, to be fair. Do you see this just piece of canned pineapple? Yes. That's strange to me. It's just odd. It almost looked like a piece of chicken for a moment when you held it up. Like breaded chicken.
00:13:52
Speaker
not what i want And I love pineapple. Me too. So let me just say. Love it. yeah But yeah, this isn't really where I want it. Agreed. I'd rather just have it out in a bowl. ah If you hear me chewing,
00:14:10
Speaker
Yeah. So that's our... Our menu for today. Yes. I know. I feel like we're going to have to make a like a mini downloadable book or something that people can download and make psych snacks with us who at some point.
00:14:26
Speaker
With our, what you call them? Our adjustments. Oh, yes. The boozy. The goldschlager. Of course. that or Cannot miss the goldschlager.
00:14:39
Speaker
We could throw a psych party with all of our snacks. Oh, yeah. next Next movie. The psych watch party with all of our snacks. Yeah.
00:14:50
Speaker
Because I feel like the snacks are going to pick up here. Oh, yeah ah yeah. Well, we discussed that last episode at the end how things are about to get real psyche real fast.
00:15:03
Speaker
And snacks are a very important part. Yes. Yeah. I do think I was wrong about the film thing. I think we have one more season on film. Oh, okay. Thank God. Cause I love the film feel.
00:15:14
Speaker
Yeah. And I was thinking about that because we were talking about like the finale being a turning point. And I feel like that speaks to again, the, the boiling frog analogy of how like boiling frog to return to that.
00:15:31
Speaker
Um, Just that it being kind of a gradual. Yes. Well, it just being a gradual thing that feels so inevitable once it's happening. So, yeah, um yeah I feel like that.
00:15:45
Speaker
We do have another season of film like we are getting more psyche. It's not like a hard turn into anything. It's just like yeah they's they're becoming more and more themselves. Yes.
00:15:56
Speaker
So, yeah, excited about it. Also, well I was going to say there's a quote that I wrote down from Steve Franks about and going into the next episode.
00:16:08
Speaker
Yes. But it's kind of getting into the plot and stuff, which... Should I mention it should we wait? No, I'd say let's do it. yeah like There are no rules at the after show. There's no structure. Heck None.
00:16:24
Speaker
So he said, i knew that the next episode, Ghost, was going to be a little darker than what – I think I skipped a word, but darker than whatever. where we were um and what i was really working towards is sean has carried all of this anger and blame to
Behind the Scenes of Psyche
00:16:40
Speaker
henry all this time and brings him for the dissolution of the marriage and for all that falling apart and the reveal that henry was the one the whole time who was trying to keep it together and his mom needed to move for her own sake um which speaking a little too just like the tonal yes
00:16:57
Speaker
ah Not shift so much, but like just ah evolution, I guess. um And then getting into, know we could just spend the whole rest of the time talking about john I know.
00:17:11
Speaker
I felt listening to this um listening to this podcast, I felt very validated in everything we've been talking Because he said so much of what we've mentioning been mentioning. And if you're just joining us, we don't listen to or watch like any commentary, anything about Psyche until the aftershows.
00:17:31
Speaker
So we had no idea that he was going to talk about all of these things that he brought up with ah Maggie and Tim. But I felt like he hit on a lot of the big topics that we have been talking about, like the product placement and how they're just like consumers of the 80s and his dad for everything. And I was like, oh my gosh.
00:17:55
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And this is another sidebar, but I feel like part of our spring break reading or whatever we're calling it needs to be um a screwball.
00:18:09
Speaker
A screwball comedy. Yeah, they said that so many times. Yes. And I was like, oh my gosh. And we have commented on how everything is so fast and like yeah there's things we don't catch and it's so great to be paying attention. And we've compared to Gilmore Girls and stuff, which is also so inspired by those.
00:18:23
Speaker
um So yeah, I think that is a must. Yes, I agree. I don't know which one. ah know. We'll have to do some research. Some research, yeah. Yeah. I if it's documented anywhere, like if Steve Franks has any favorites.
00:18:38
Speaker
Oh, I'm sure we could find something somewhere. Mm-hmm. But yeah, and I think it's interesting too, like specifically screwball comedies, because we've talked before how psych is kind of this like middle ground between like comedy and not necessarily horror all the time, but like silly things and very serious things.
00:18:56
Speaker
But silly things to like an nth degree, like a screwball comedy is like really intense comedy. Yeah. So it'll be good to kind of place that, you know? Yeah. It's like an incredible...
00:19:09
Speaker
like dance they're doing like yeah navigating all these different reference points that they have yeah um and well he mentioned also like having a dream list of worlds that they wanted to do an episode in so like this one was the action adventure the mummy the creature feature like that was a world i think yes yeah um i took i listened to it little while ago so i was like reading my notes but yeah yeah he does mention yeah Yeah. So because then i was like, was he just talking about the museum? Because he really liked working in the museum, too. yeah
00:19:44
Speaker
And he mentioned that the museum is the planetarium. yeah Yes. I thought of you when I don't know how I picked up on that, but I did. Yeah. And where they go back and meet Céline in the movie, which I think is then we're in San Francisco.
Character Dynamics and Development
00:20:00
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so And that's back in the planetarium. Yeah. The same...
00:20:04
Speaker
locale um which i also reiterated for me that at some point in this journey have to go to vancouver yes they're big vancouver fans um and we'll have to use all their travel tips with the places that they mentioned oh my gosh totally um But yeah, it's fun to think of like that they have this like list of worlds that they want to go to. But then there's these worlds that they exist in all the time, like Screwball and another one um that I came across like looking at the wikis.
00:20:38
Speaker
Let me just read this. Yeah. So in Psy vs. Psy, one of the wiki points was that when Karen tells Sean that Lindsay has the psychic front covered, he pretends to leave before turning around and saying, oh, just one more thing. This is a reference to freight Frank Columbo's trademark turn and catchphrase in Columbo. And I was thinking of like the genre of...
00:21:04
Speaker
to like detective show or procedural like they're existing in that all the time they're doing screwball all the time and so it would be fun to like spend some time with those things that are part of like the fabric of it yeah because we're doing a lot of like the homage stuff yes but really the whole thing is homage yeah in a way or like playing with the structures that it um lives in yeah so maybe we can watch some colombo i would love i love colombo so totally i've never seen any of it it's You know, it's interesting.
00:21:36
Speaker
When was it? Hold on. When was create it created? Because it's a little older. yeah It was 68.
00:21:47
Speaker
So it's interesting because there're they're like really long episodes and the pacing of them are kind of interesting. um Like it definitely doesn't. The first couple times I watched it, I remember being like, oh this almost it felt feels more like a movie than it does like a TV series or a TV episode.
00:22:02
Speaker
But they're really good. I really like them. We should definitely watch them. Yeah, if you have like a favorite or something. okay. We could go back and watch. Yes. We shall.
00:22:14
Speaker
Yeah, I thought it was interesting too hearing him talk about like the um the behind the scenes aspect of like this was his directorial debut directing this episode, but then also having to be in the writer's room and what that looked like and interacting with the actors and how that sometimes changes things. Like I feel like we've speculated on a lot of that before. So hearing him yeah talk about that was kind of cool.
00:22:38
Speaker
Yeah. The whole idea of it being his directorial debut and how he talked about how he just like wanted to do everything. Yeah. And it was so funny because us talking about the episode, we're like, this is awesome. Like everything is so cool. Like they did them like, so it's fun.
00:22:54
Speaker
And I feel like that's really speaks to how much of a fan he is of all this stuff. You know, it's like he wants to do all the fun, cool things and it is so fun and cool for us, the viewer. um And it just like is amazing how effective it all is. And that's his first go of it.
00:23:14
Speaker
Yeah, it was, i I was shocked when I heard that. was like, what? Are you for real? Are you serious? Because, yeah, there were so many cool things and so much of it was done so well and it didn't feel at all like it was a departure from all of the typical stuff that we see from Psych. like It fit in perfectly.
00:23:35
Speaker
Totally. That's a good point. And I guess that, and maybe that's part of the turning point like for that being his first
00:23:45
Speaker
episode directing like and wanting to do everything like that's kind of how the show feels yeah it's like the further we go it's like they are just doing everything yeah everything all the time all at once yeah and it's like very much a yes and yeah and that's what the like whole environment seems like yeah yeah yeah in terms of production like even like talking about like We mentioned like the funny part of like Dulé or Gus being like, leave that woman alone during the montage.
00:24:18
Speaker
And that was his mom because she was there that day. I love it. I love it. Just stuff like that of like, oh, you're here. We'll put you in. That's funny. but like the the carpet thing how they tried it with like a yeah and then it yeah actually kind of worked yeah and so they changed the line like oh yeah and it really did like it really does look it's pretty good um i also left a little anecdote about the the nook and cranny scene where like james didn't like it and so they just like shut everything down for a little while for them to go and just like
00:24:51
Speaker
improve on it or something or maybe it was the red robin part yes yeah what do they have like that's so like cool you know yeah because not every set would you have that opportunity i think and yeah they all just seem like so to care so much and to just be having much fun and want to be doing like the best thing that they can and it's just awesome Yeah, they really do. i think like the show itself to me has always felt very like homey and very much like a like a family.
00:25:29
Speaker
And i think what you just said is a testament to that is that they really do like care about each other and they care about the show and they care about making something great.
00:25:41
Speaker
And that translates when you watch the show. Yeah, I feel like they really like trust each other. yeah Like you can feel that too. I also, i don't know if you got a chance to watch the bloopers, but I remembered that we did that last time.
00:25:55
Speaker
And I was just noticing in them like there are moments where someone will be flubbing their lines and just like they keep repeating it, which I think is just like an actor thing. But the other person is just like staying with them, you know?
00:26:07
Speaker
And it just is like, you can just see how much they trust each other and like got each other's back and stuff. And it just seems like such a great environment. I feel like you can feel that when you watch it. Yeah, without a doubt.
00:26:19
Speaker
From everyone, even the characters that, you know, come off a little bit hard at times, like Lassie or Henry or even Vic to some degree, you can still tell that they... care about this oh my gosh I loved quick sidebar I love when Steve was talking about always giving Corbin something to do yes that's so fun thought that was so fun especially because like Henry's character in my mind is always doing something like he's always fixing something or cleaning something like he just has that like he just has to so that makes like much sense
00:26:55
Speaker
Yeah, and it's awesome that like somebody's preference you know in terms of like how they want to work with a scene, like that adds so much depth to yeah the way the character reads. and um And it does make him feel like a very grounded person because that's how human beings act in a space. you know yeah They're just doing stuff, especially if you are like a putterer type of person like Henry.
00:27:19
Speaker
he is definitely a putterer. Yeah. So good. Yeah. And I thought it was so funny. The whole of like spray bottle and a tissue. Whatever he gave him.
00:27:31
Speaker
Because i I distinctly have that in my head like him holding spray bottle. I'm trying to talk to Sean. yeah But it didn't feel like it never feels out of place or anything.
00:27:43
Speaker
Yeah, know it makes it feel like more real. It'd be like, it'd probably feel less fun because the show has such an energy that like, you know, it's There's not a lot of moments where we really just like stop and like have like a dramatic scene or something. So like I feel like especially in those Sean and Henry scenes like him doing stuff makes it feel more like lifelike and keeps that energy going um in a way that like yeah I guess like keeps it fun but still like grounded. Yeah.
00:28:16
Speaker
Well, mean, we've said before that the show feels very, like, real, very lived in. Yeah. It's like they're in our world minus, like, and the actors.
00:28:28
Speaker
And, yeah, I think that's just another layer to why that is. As well as, they also brought this up in the podcast, which thought was so cool, that they're, like, constantly using...
00:28:40
Speaker
different locations around vancouver which we've also noted that we're like barely ever it feels like we're barely ever on a set like actually in the real world and again it makes it feel like super lived in and super real yeah and another sidebar off of that um him talking about going to the woods.
00:29:03
Speaker
Oh my gosh. And like how much he likes that and stuff. And like, it sucks kind of in terms of production, but like he really likes the way it looks and everything. And I'm like, that is such a part of psych, like the woods feels like, because I think we even said that talking about this episode, it's like, oh, it feels so psyche because they do all these things and they go to the woods. Yeah.
00:29:20
Speaker
It's true. I mean, and he even said like five other instances where they're in that location. Yeah. And they love to go back there and stuff. And it's, Yeah. That's so fun.
00:29:31
Speaker
yeah I, yeah, I can't, i i really want to pick his brain one day. yeah got We have so many questions for you, Steve Franks. I feel like this also needs to be called to the spirit of Steve Franks.
00:29:43
Speaker
Oh yeah. To the spirit of Steve Franks part two. Mm-hmm. Yeah. and Yeah, so many questions. the guest on the last season finale? No. Psychologist?
00:29:55
Speaker
Oh, it was James. It was James, yes. And we just talked so much about
Speculations and Future Seasons
00:30:00
Speaker
him because we had like so many of these kind of large standing questions at the end of the season. I don't even know if I have questions. I feel like I just want to listen to him talk for a long time.
00:30:09
Speaker
That too. I feel like he could, yeah, he's a wealth of knowledge of all things psych. Yeah, it was a good episode. Highly recommend their season finale. The psychologists are in if we didn't state that.
00:30:20
Speaker
Yes. At the beginning. But season two, i can't believe we're all the way through. I thought it might be fun to go like kind of down the list of like where we're leaving everybody.
00:30:32
Speaker
okay. Like each character. Because we've been talking, think especially about like Jules' little arc at the end. And I was just thinking of like everybody having kind of a thing going into season three. Yeah, let's do it.
00:30:50
Speaker
right, so we've got... are kind of the big standouts? I guess Sean and Henry, we leave big cliffhanger of yeah moms at the door. i mean But throughout the season, we've kind of seen the two of them grow a little bit closer, but also having to deal with kind of these big...
00:31:12
Speaker
uh relational concerns when it comes to i guess parent and child right like henry dating again and and henry wanting advice from sean but sean not being comfortable with either of those things and now his mom coming back so now having to manage his understanding of that situation going into season three will be interesting yeah that's a great point like That they have gotten closer.
00:31:42
Speaker
And it's almost in terms of like narrative. I feel like, you know. So, of course, the obvious thing is to throw the biggest wrench possible into that, which is his mom. Yeah. um But I think it'll be good for them. Like, obviously, knowing the show.
00:31:58
Speaker
Right. But also note just knowing like them as people up until now, there's so much that Sean internally is dealing with when it comes to Henry. And it seems like he's managed to to kind of sidestep or or navigate a little bit of that so that he feels comfortable going over to the house and asking him for you know help on the case and and stuff like that. But he still has this underlying resentment towards Henry. So now having his mom there, he's going to be able to actually work through that.
00:32:29
Speaker
totally be able to have a better relationship with henry down the line yeah because even though like it feels like they've gotten closer and like a on a level they have but like you're right there's still so much unsaid and unaddressed and like so much resentment probably on both sides that um Yeah, it's like it can never, they can never really be close until we open all that up. And like, this is the way to do it, to bring her in.
00:33:06
Speaker
Yes. also just on the note of her character, I thought it was incredibly cute that um Steve Franks mentioned that they named the character after Sybil Shepard's character in Moonlighting because that was like the ideal.
00:33:24
Speaker
and And then they offered it to her and she did it. know. That is so fun. ah oh Maybe we have to watch a moonlighting too. I've never watched that either. And I've heard that's like the ultimate. man Okay. We'll have to do that. Will they? Won't they?
00:33:38
Speaker
don't know. We'll have to. I've never seen it. We'll have to. yeah Okay. We'll watch. We'll have to watch. We need a watch list for ourselves. I know. Let me start writing this down. Okay. So we're going to watch a screwball comedy. Mm-hmm.
00:33:55
Speaker
Columbo. who Is it bad to just like be a tourist in all of these and just watch one? i think it's kind of hard to... I think it's kind of hard to watch all unless we yeah take it. And the only one that we really have to do that for, i think is Twin Peaks. Yes. I was just about to say that.
00:34:12
Speaker
You have to, because that episode is so jam packed. Yeah. um And we could, we could watch more of the episodes and things. I think we're just going to have to give ourselves more time in between. Yeah.
00:34:25
Speaker
Like episodes and stuff. Cause we have busy lives. Yeah. Well, maybe for this first, you know, foray. Yeah. It's more just like building our foundational, like, feels. Kind of like with the telenovel, you know.
00:34:40
Speaker
um And these aren't like direct references so much as more just like reference points. so Yeah. um Yeah.
00:34:51
Speaker
Okay. A screwball comedy, a Columbo, a Moonlighting. I feel like we're Moonlighting since neither of us have seen it. We'll just watch the pilot. Okay. That seems fair. um Okay.
00:35:02
Speaker
Do we want to watch The Mummy 1932? nineteen thirty two Yeah. da Yeah, yeah. Okay. Should we start with that? Yeah, we could. Since we left off with that? Yeah, probably. Good. Okay. Good idea.
00:35:14
Speaker
Okay. That sounds like plenty for our... That's definitely plenty. Our break. Yeah. Or break, not a break. ah maybe Yeah. This is like being in school again. we just, everywhere you look, there's homework.
00:35:29
Speaker
Yep. Maybe that's the truth. here One never leaves. We're doing it to ourselves. I know. But we learn so much. It's true. That's why we do it, because enjoy it.
00:35:44
Speaker
Okay. Another point I had made, I had noted about Sean is um I feel like another thing that we have seen cropping up over and over is like how seriously he takes his work and how he kind of protects it when other people, when he feels they are not talking taking it as seriously him. And sometimes you know,
00:36:08
Speaker
Feels like kind of a tantrum-y reasoning, but I think ultimately just like how important it is to him. We are seeing that. And going into the next episode, we see him kind of.
00:36:22
Speaker
kind of make a farce out of their work in order to save their work. Is this the one with Gus's boss? Mm-hmm. Ah, yes. Okay. Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it?
00:36:32
Speaker
That he's, yeah, he's making a joke of it. Well, not even a joke of it. Yeah. Sharan. like a true sham. Yeah. Yeah. in order to allow Gus to continue to do it ah and not to speak too much about the next episode but but I love it so much but like it one it is a sham but also that is kind of a cover for him getting the actual like right um intel I guess yeah like Or leverage would be the more appropriate word.
00:37:06
Speaker
um To say, like, keep them off their backs. So it's like he's doing both, which I feel like is so Sean, you know, actually, that's like incredibly Sean. Yeah.
00:37:18
Speaker
Because part of his theatrics and his silliness and all of that is a... smoke and mirrors so you don't catch on to what he's actually up to. Right. Yeah, exactly.
00:37:29
Speaker
Well, and it's interesting, too. I think it also kind of ties into what we've been seeing with Gus a little bit this season, which is some more of that, like, tug tug and pull let's push and pull push and pull between like him wanting to be a part of the agency but also like having to do work stuff so now we're going to see that directly like oh who is your boss what do you actually do yeah you know and uh how is gus going to come to terms with the fact that it is actually really hard for him to do both of these things at the same time
00:38:03
Speaker
And not drop the ball in one of them. Yeah, because we haven't gone inside Central Coast yet, have we? Or wait. Yeah, just the Revolution one where miss Mrs. Pickles was that?
00:38:16
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. And that was very very brief. The other one I was thinking was the um retreat, which is always sort of outside, but inside. Inside the social aspects.
00:38:28
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and we've actually, yeah, that's also we've seen him like doing really well at work. Like we saw him win that big thing from the retreat um again because of Sean's nonsense. And then like with the, with dislodged, we saw him just like getting all the minute of doctors.
00:38:52
Speaker
yeah Yeah. So he's like killing it in his other world. So yeah, the balancing of the two. Well, and it, if I'm remembering correctly, because there are a couple of instances where we go to Gus's work throughout the series.
00:39:12
Speaker
But for if I'm remembering correctly, he kind of gets called out in this episode of like, you're not doing all the things that you're supposed to be doing. Like you front load it and then you don't work for it the rest of the week. Like you can't be doing that. Oh, interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. you know so he yes he's been doing well but while also kind of skirting his responsibilities so now it's like directly in his face having to yeah figure out what is a better balance because clearly what he's been doing is not working at least for the the pharmaceutical company yeah that's ringing a bell and i'm wondering like we'll have to see if part of what they are seeing in him is that like
00:39:56
Speaker
yeah, he gets everything done and on Monday and the rest of the week he's just like chilling. But I feel like that also speaks to how efficient he is and like he is an incredibly smart person and like, you know, there's a running thing of like he's too good for this job even though he – I feel like he respects what he's doing a lot more than other people do.
00:40:17
Speaker
yeah um And yeah, but he does kind of – work it so that he can do both these things. And at the same time, he's also like, I feel like having some, well, one specific incident is coming to mind, but with Sean doing the cheating boyfriend, maybe,
00:40:41
Speaker
um
00:40:43
Speaker
he's like, kind of like, we're too good for that. Yeah. so it's Kind of on both sides, or at least on the psych side, he's like almost taking it more seriously in that way. And then on yeah on his work side, he's also kind of thriving there in a way. And and maybe, yeah, there's just, there's a lot in the professional life.
00:41:06
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. yeah And it's interesting that you point that out with the cheating boyfriends thing, because Again, I can't remember if we've discussed it yet. I don't think we have. But there are going to be times when Gus points out the lack of money that they have and how they like aren't bringing in enough cases. So it's kind of interesting to see him now being like, we can't do that, even though it's going to pay us and probably pay us well.
00:41:35
Speaker
We can't do that. We're only going to work like murder cases or like bankrupt yeah big things. um And maybe that just speaks to his like ambition. and like what he wants. That's really good point. Have we seen him talk about money since like season one? Because I'm thinking like when the, when he's like, you rented office space.
00:41:55
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. We did. Well, yeah. And, and the psych office, like, I feel like those are the only times. Yeah.
00:42:06
Speaker
But I do associate that so much with him. And I feel like, yeah, it really kicks into gear in the coming episodes. Yeah. I'm specifically thinking of when we get the, what is it? The taco trolley whatever the hell, the taco Yeah.
00:42:22
Speaker
Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh, the snack. Yes. Food delivery system. And he's like, we don't have money to be doing this. What's wrong with you? um But yeah, i feel like he didn't really talk about it too much in in this season.
00:42:38
Speaker
But I guess it will...
00:42:42
Speaker
It will become more of an issue in the future when they don't have access to as many cases. I'm thinking that's true. Yeah. Far later. Yeah. They have more um obstacles.
00:42:55
Speaker
Yes. Coming right now. They've got a pretty good thing going. Good gig. Yeah. I know we get a reference in the next episode where he talks about how much money from his salary goes to Sean. Oh my gosh. So funny.
00:43:10
Speaker
Yeah, he's like, I only need this much to live. The rest goes to you.
00:43:15
Speaker
So, yeah. So we have that coming. But I was thinking, like, we have a – I feel like more recently we have Sean talking about getting paid. oh I think black and tan. When Gus comes and he's like, Belinda, whatever, blah, blah, blah. And Sean's like, oh, great. Let's go tell the chief to get paid.
00:43:31
Speaker
Yeah. As like a dig of like, you're not taking this seriously. Right. Yes, it'll be interesting. Shake up. Yes, to see that. That's more vocal about the money. Yeah.
00:43:42
Speaker
Who else have we got? We've got Jules. Jules. Jules and her friendship. Yeah. Which I thought was interesting. Yeah, talked a bit that. That Maggie kind of mentioned that in the podcast. Yeah, I know. She was like, we just want friends.
00:43:56
Speaker
Yeah, and I made a note of um something Steve said too. uh oh that she that there's like a running thing where she just really loves to throw a party or plan a party which was adorable which i hadn't thought about it in quite that way and also ah about her like trying to put herself into her work but like yearning for a life outside yeah of it yeah um she's like a very all-ring person Yeah.
00:44:27
Speaker
And we've talked about like her seeking connection and that is a good point of like the connections that she's making or she's trying to force kind of all exist within the department.
00:44:38
Speaker
Right. um And maybe that's not, but it's also, i feel like that is sort of a TV convention too because she, we don't see much of her life outside. Right.
00:44:48
Speaker
Right. And we won't. So, cause it's kind of a workplace comedy in that way. Right. Yeah. But yeah her work-life balance is, yeah, maybe she's not very skilled at Yeah. Well, I think, too, it's I bet for Jules, it's and I can't remember if we've talked about this or not, but I think for Jules, it's probably a little extra hard, as Vic has mentioned before, them being women in a male dominated field. Like they have to take everything really seriously. You know, they have to put 120 percent into the job.
00:45:25
Speaker
So balancing, like putting her absolute all into work so that everyone takes her seriously and knows that she can do the work. But then also wanting friends outside of work, but not having time to make friends outside of work. Like that's a lot.
00:45:43
Speaker
That's a lot to balance. Yeah. Yeah. Not being able to connect with people in her same position, like who maybe she could talk about those kinds of things with. Yeah. Those challenges like Pasquareti or Vic.
00:45:57
Speaker
like Pasquareti. Yeah. She's kind of like unmoored. um But we did see her connecting with. Emily. Emily.
00:46:09
Speaker
Yeah. Emily. Which was nice. Mm-hmm. And now Vic is staying, so she has to keep Vic. Her mentor. Yes. Maybe more than her friend.
00:46:21
Speaker
Yes. At least a guidepost, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, an ally in the sense that she is another woman.
00:46:32
Speaker
I feel like also thinking you of Lassie, like he can be so, you know, have this toxic masculinity vibe about him. But it's I feel like it's really good for him and important to have a woman in charge.
00:46:46
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. And probably important for Jules that her but they have over in charge. Yes. Rather than just Lassie running wild there. Oh my gosh.
00:46:59
Speaker
Yeah, this episode for Lassie, or this episode, the this last episode for Lassie, I thought was really, for what he is, an emotional rollercoaster of like, I might have this job. Could this job be open? Should I apply for this job too? Never mind.
00:47:14
Speaker
Yeah. This job doesn't work anymore. now it's gonna be Vic when will it ever be open will I ever get to be the chief you know that's a good point because it all feels very kind of well kind of silly in the episode yeah like jokes but yeah and if you're really thinking from his perspective like he's like oh shit Yeah. Like there's an opportunity there, but there's not really.
00:47:35
Speaker
No, not really. Yeah. And even when that becomes more of a possibility down the road, like seasons and seasons from now, even then it's still like not really possibility, which will be an interesting conversation.
00:47:54
Speaker
The chief at the very end. I think he is, huh? At the very end. The very end. Yeah. like Like, I think last couple of episodes. Yeah. Yeah. I guess, well, we see a lot of his ambition, um which is, like, I feel like one of his just main things going on.
00:48:13
Speaker
Yes. And also ah his need for, like, validation. And especially with, like, his father-in-law, we see that. Yeah.
00:48:23
Speaker
Because it's not enough for him to like – or like in this last episode, he's very invested in like the press covering the case he's working stuff. It's like he really needs to be seen doing what he's doing.
00:48:36
Speaker
It's not just the need to be doing it. Yes. That is – it's interesting that you put it that way because I think, you know, i almost feel like Sean is very similar to that but in the opposite way in the respect that like – He doesn't do it for anyone to see him just because he loves to do it.
00:48:55
Speaker
Except Gus has to see him. But also, he does it as like, it's almost like he doesn't, like people don't need to see how he is doing it. Like it's actually that he's very competent and skilled and stuff.
00:49:08
Speaker
But he does do it with such a flourish. Oh, yes. And like, um you know, he likes, I think he likes to be seen in a similar way, but it's almost like, it's like a big joke to him. but Yeah. Everything in a way.
00:49:25
Speaker
Yes. I mean, even in the podcast, Steve Franks mentioned the like running bit of James Roday having a hard time doing very basic things just because. Oh my gosh.
00:49:38
Speaker
I was like, absolutely. Like what a flourish. Yes. Very basic. Everything's just got to be big and silly. um and yeah, because he definitely likes attention. Yeah.
00:49:48
Speaker
But it's almost like it doesn't matter what kind of attention it is. Yes. he He's the epitome of any press is good press. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:00
Speaker
Yeah. I guess only when it like kind of maybe jeopardizes his ah ability to do his work, not, not ability, but like him being allowed to do the work that he's doing only then does it become a problem. Like when, like in the dinosaur one, like when people start to think like, Oh, he's ridiculous and losing it.
00:50:20
Speaker
Yeah. yeah um Then it's like, he's got to kind of get it together or like show I guess just like kind of prove his value. But a lot of other times he's just like so confident in that value. It like doesn't really matter what some people think That's exactly what I was just going to ask. Like Sean is such a very confident person just inherently. And I don't necessarily think Lassie lacks confidence, but it's definitely not to the same degree as Sean.
00:50:53
Speaker
So do we think the like the... pull for attention from lassie is more of like you said a reassurance or do we think it's because i also think well it could be like a political thing right like he needs people to see what he's doing that people know he's doing a good job so that he to serve the ambition right exactly but he's definitely not yeah he's nowhere near i don't know if anyone is anywhere near as confident as sean is so could that be part of it too i don't know That's true. And like, it's interesting to think like what Lassie really wants or what he likes about his work, because, you know, to go into the role of chief.
00:51:32
Speaker
You don't get to yeah do the work as much. Right. It's more political and more like overseeing big picture stuff. And like maybe you come in if it's very important, stuff like that.
00:51:47
Speaker
But it's not as much like in the weeds. And so does Lassie, what does, does he just like power? Right. Does he really want that or does he just want the promotion? Yeah.
00:52:01
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. the The access to more power that it brings. yeah I don't know. I feel i my gut is telling me it's probably more of like the position shift, like the power. and i Because I do think he really loves his job. I do think he loves being a detective.
00:52:16
Speaker
But there's only so far you can go in being a detective. until you don't get like promoted or yeah I'm thinking too because like down the line when he has a family i think like the role of chief is a little probably more of like a regular job in the sense that like you're not getting called out for everything right or shot at Yeah.
00:52:43
Speaker
Yeah. as but Although it does happen. and Yeah. In the movie. Yeah. So maybe that's part of it too because even now, you know, he really wants to get back together with his wife. Like he really wants to start that family with her.
00:52:57
Speaker
Yeah. um So maybe he's kind of thinking that too. Maybe that's like if he can achieve that, he can earn her back and earn the respect of his father-in-law and like – See that.
00:53:10
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, like maybe that's why he needs to be or wants to be seen in a certain way. i could see I could see him thinking that. That is kind of when Alassie's big overarching things throughout the entire series is the um ambition of always trying to get ahead on top of like you said before kind of the cutting of that you know little bits of toxic masculinity here and there him becoming just a more thoughtful person by the end of it yeah i mean and it can be like
00:53:48
Speaker
you know, more than one thing once. Like him wanting to get that role, to look a certain way in the eyes of like the people who don't think well enough of him.
00:54:01
Speaker
um And then also to be in charge and not take orders from people anymore. Yeah. yeah You know, it's so funny. I just, you know, thinking of the the chief position, like that's a, you know, Lassie is not really a people person. Yeah.
00:54:16
Speaker
We've said this before. Like he's not necessarily very tactful when it comes to people. However, I feel like being the chief, that's like a managerial job. Like you are managing people and you have to be able to do a lot very tactfully and very intentionally with people. And I don't know if, not to say that Lassie can handle it, but I don't think Lassie right now would be good at that. Certainly not right now. Yeah. yeah Yeah.
00:54:43
Speaker
and Maybe his eagerness right now. is kind of tied to like where he's at in his life of like kind of the personal being in shambles. Mm-hmm. But like later – This is mess. This has to be good.
00:54:56
Speaker
Yeah. Like much later when he does achieve that, it's like he is very settled. Yes, yeah. In his personal life and like – and more – in himself too and like has grown so much in terms of like how he relates to people and his friends and Sean and everybody.
00:55:17
Speaker
So yeah, maybe. have to watch that growth. Yeah, I definitely think he's, he by the end of it, he's just able to come out of himself a little bit more than he is right now.
00:55:30
Speaker
Like even with the whole Vic stuff, you know, it's not, he's not thinking like, oh, that sucks for my friend. Yeah. Who I've spent theoretically years with. It's, yeah I get that job.
00:55:42
Speaker
Yeah. Which, you know, not not everyone is going to take other people's feelings into account, I suppose. But again, in a managerial position like that, that's important. So by the end, you know, we get a very feel like a much more thoughtful Lassie. I'm thinking just about like the last couple scenes with him when he's like, nope, never mind. Like, I don't need to know.
00:56:02
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly what I was thinking about. Yeah. yeah i think a huge part of like his growth in that area is like his relationship with juliet totally how ride or die they are yeah she makes him a a better person and we're seeing some of that like too in this season like with like yeah how they spend christmas together basically right then we have henry should we do vickers first ah let's do Vic because she's kind of in the same vein as Lassie.
00:56:38
Speaker
Vic's whole big arc is just will they, won't they keep her on in yeah this interim position. Yeah, I guess it will be fun like now that that has been resolved. It's like, okay, well so what kind of chief is she when the job is hers?
00:56:53
Speaker
Yeah, no holds barred. Not trying to... you know because soon like maybe she would hold herself back in certain ways to like not rock the boat um but now it's like it's her department yeah be fun to see that yeah well and i wonder what like don't want to say safeguards but almost safeguards like what what comes along with like officially being hired as the chief i mean i'm sure like i well i don't know if there's any yeah like protection as you say but in terms of like the idea of just being interim it's like you're the person who's getting us from the person it was to the person it's going to be right but you're just here like i like a placeholder yeah yeah yeah and like now she's
00:57:41
Speaker
the yeah she's the guy yeah she's the guy and so it's like um it's her department you know before it wasn't hers she was just kind of overseeing it while they waited for the person who it was gonna belong to but now it's hers so it's like what does that mean in terms of how she's gonna run it and yeah and maybe we do kind of see that and how like you know down the line, she like brings in Henry. and like she like does She gets to make decisions that maybe she couldn't before.
00:58:13
Speaker
Yeah, that's a that's a good point. I don't know if we've seen her really make any big decisions maybe since bringing in sean and gus others than bringing in sean and gus right and even then i feel like there was kind of this vibe of like she wasn't you know like because that yeah that moment in the pilot yes um it's kind of a gamble for her like it kind of feels that way but she yeah kind of is like curious about him and you know maybe it's a gamble that could pay off and boy did it yes in the very long run
00:58:50
Speaker
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what she what she gets up to now. Yeah, cause I can't really think of like anything like really soon. i don't know when like her sister comes in. That might be later.
00:59:03
Speaker
Oh my gosh, I forgot about her sister. That's so fun. Isn't it Jane Lynch? Yeah. She's so good. She's so funny. The two of them together are hysterical. Yeah.
00:59:14
Speaker
And that's, I don't know, you know, presumably her sister is out there somewhere even now. I don't know if she's in charge because she's like what, like some sort of leadership role in the local Coast Guard.
00:59:26
Speaker
yeah And if she's in that position now, we know they have a rivalry, like that interim on her name. True. ah What a point of contention that probably was just like.
00:59:38
Speaker
who knew Who knows what kind of ribbing she was taking for that. And now it's like she is the boss. And they are equals too, thinking about her being out there somewhere. yeah Yeah, that'll be...
00:59:52
Speaker
That'll be interesting. I'm excited, yeah, to get more of Vic's backstory, her like personal life, because we do get a little bit more of that as the seasons go on. Yeah.
01:00:03
Speaker
Although some, in some ways there's so much we just never get, like, we'll never see your husband. Yeah. Well, he's another Dobson. you Which, you know, there's a lot of Dobsons throughout. It's a great bit.
01:00:16
Speaker
Yeah, it is a good bit. And then we also have Henry, our sweet old man. Yeah, it's actually the perfect bookend, starting with shot, ending with Henry. Yeah, there you go.
01:00:28
Speaker
um and he... Well, we've seen him. I feel like the main thing going on for him in the last few episodes and even further back is that kind of opening opening himself up.
01:00:41
Speaker
Yes. Romantically and like kind of deciding for himself that he doesn't want to live like this forever. Yeah. He doesn't want to carry a torch for Maddie forever. Yeah. And he's going to put himself out there.
01:00:54
Speaker
and here she comes i know it's actually like really sad to think that henry has been hold like you said holding this torch for for maddie and now he's finally decided moving on he brings it up to sean and sean's like fuck you And then here comes Maddie. Like, what yeah what a rollercoaster for Henry.
01:01:25
Speaker
Like, this poor man. I mean, that's especially when we we know from someone who has watched the show before, we know, again, that it's not, you know, Henry wasn't the person that broke up the marriage. So for him to have been pining after her and beating himself up about it and, like, wondering what if she comes back and has finally gotten over it.
01:01:46
Speaker
And dealing with Sean... and sean's open resentment for him for this and like not really this bringing it up that like it he didn't want it to end you know maybe kind of protecting her in sean's eyes yeah i was just gonna ask why why do we think that is but i guess yeah you're right to not tarnish sean's image of maddie yeah well and they also like they never really talk about it like so maybe there isn't even a chance for him to kind of you know share yeah yeah what that was like like he's neither of them are interested in that yet although that is kind of where yeah you know because i think we talked about yeah he wanted to clear the air yeah before she got there is what it seemed like because he kept trying to call him and um
01:02:39
Speaker
like he tried to open that conversation and doesn't really get the chance and then she's there so
01:02:48
Speaker
yeah and that seems so hard for him too to like get to the point where he can talk about it which is another thing it's like yeah yeah like just to think about like he went through the disillusion of a marriage with a person he's still in love with that's probably really hard to talk about yeah even without all the Sean thinking whatever he thinks.
01:03:09
Speaker
Right. Right. And Sean too is like not, you know, Sean is not the most forgiving or always the nicest of people, especially when it comes to Henry. So it's not even as if if Henry opened up and was like, look, this is what happened.
01:03:26
Speaker
It's not as if Sean wouldn't have been like, you're a lying liar face, you liar. Yeah, he's also a hard person to have a serious conversation with at all, yeah regardless of how he feels about it.
01:03:37
Speaker
you know Serious Sean moment. He has to... Announce that. Yes. Yes. Yes, he does. Yeah. Well, and I can't, I don't remember what the ah immediate scene is after the door opens and he goes, mom, like, I can't remember exactly what happens, but does that, does that cause him to be like, oh shit, serious moment here. Yeah.
01:04:06
Speaker
And then they can talk about it? I i don't really remember the beginning of that episode. don't think they talk about it. They just move on? That's crazy. They don't talk about it. crazy. Because he doesn't, Sean doesn't find out until Maddie says to him, I left him.
01:04:21
Speaker
You know, when they're in the station? Yes. And he's, we've mentioned this before, but that moment where Henry's off in the distance looking like. Little Jara baby. With little smile, like they're going to go out to dinner and.
01:04:36
Speaker
Sean's imploding in the foreground
01:04:41
Speaker
yeah so I wonder you know we don't really get a lot of Maddie's perspective but I wonder do you remember because I don't like what why why did she leave like what did something happen like I really remember no I don't think anything happened I think they just kind of Or maybe she felt they grew apart or like she just had to do, you know, like what does his mom needed to move on for her own sake. So I don't think it was anything like specific.
01:05:20
Speaker
um But marriage being long and hard. Yeah. And Henry, I mean, he's a difficult person to be with, I'm sure. Yeah.
01:05:31
Speaker
but And, you know, being a psychologist, I'm sure she... I don't know, because she's a little like a little tough, too. but Yeah, i think I'm sure they're both difficult people to be with.
01:05:43
Speaker
Because I think we talked about in the last... No, it was Black and Tan, where Henry not knowing how to talk about oh my gosh this woman that he's dating and like using this clinical or procedural language and then...
01:05:56
Speaker
thinking about that and maddie probably being very clinical about things and thinking of people patients or yeah like i'm sure that out was probably hard i wonder if she has had any relationships since then oh that's a good question well definitely it doesn't seem like she has one when we meet her like yeah She doesn't – at least she doesn't speak of anyone.
01:06:26
Speaker
and i cannot wait to talk about these episodes because she's – I'm just thinking about like, you know, Henry kind of inviting her over and all that stuff and she's very like – yes She doesn't think it's awkward. She doesn't think it's sweet. She doesn't really seem to care at all.
01:06:44
Speaker
don't know. She's such an interesting... She's a very like... Stoic. Yeah, and I guess that to the point we were just saying, she's kind of clinical. She's like, whatevs.
01:06:56
Speaker
I don't know. It'll be interesting to dig into that more. like I mean, I haven't seen these episodes in a while. Yes, same. But... It'll be an interesting conversation in...
01:07:09
Speaker
in like juxtaposition to henry because he i feel like they're both they're both as we just said clinical and procedural but like in different ways almost like yeah because henry is still a pretty emotional person like he gets totally anger and into annoyance and she seems almost like devoid of emotion to some point to some degree that's really good point so it'll be yeah interesting to see the yeah how how they interact And I wonder, too, if Henry comes away from this with, like, an understanding that maybe she is, like, yes, she left him, but maybe also, like, maybe he's also kind of better off. Like, maybe she wasn't perfect for him either, you know?
01:07:54
Speaker
Well, I guess we'll see down the line, but yeah they do have a claim. I don't like the dalliance. Yeah.
01:08:04
Speaker
I mean, I don't know. I don't know what's best for them, you know? And also people don't always do what's best for them, so. No, know. i know cares? In a way. That's a pretty person. Yes.
01:08:15
Speaker
i just want i wonder if, like, – if the resurgence of her in his life is going to lead to some personal development for him or will lead to a regression well i think from the start we definitely see some like quote-unquote regression just in the sense that like what and i feel like it's when the moment she comes into of him just getting to this point i mean how many years has it been and he's like i don't know dude that's true
01:08:48
Speaker
Let's say at least 10. Yeah, at least 10. ah Or maybe 10. Because if Sean's like 29 or something. Yeah. Yeah, like it took him that long to just start to be like, I'm going to open myself up a little bit more. And maybe part of why he held himself back. I mean, he was...
01:09:08
Speaker
he still loved her for one. And then also maybe for Sean, you know, we see him kind of that being a ah difficult subject for both of them together. um But now he's just starting to, and then she's back and it's like, how is he like, how hard to like yeah shut that down?
01:09:31
Speaker
Yeah. It's like him opening himself up. He's like, he's vulnerable now yes to her even more. oh my gosh. Absolutely. one ah i'm I'm sure, especially if he still loves her, this is probably something he's like thought about. Like, what if she just like walked in the door? Like what would happen? And now here she is walking through the door.
01:09:50
Speaker
and so I'm sure. Yeah. That's, that's gotta be a lot to, a lot of emotions to manage. Yeah. I also wonder, now that you say that, like, here she is. Because he knows she's coming. Like, I wonder what kind of... Oh, my.
01:10:04
Speaker
Did she just give calls? Give him a heads up? think and then so And like, what did she say? ah Yeah. what Is she coming for a conference or what is she coming for?
01:10:16
Speaker
so Yeah, some something, some work, something. And he she called him and she was also trying to reach Sean, but Sean broke his cell phone. Yeah. So she couldn't reach him. So Henry was trying to reach him to prepare him.
01:10:33
Speaker
and then that Did you get any special message? Thank you for bringing me to awkward class.
01:10:43
Speaker
Yeah. yeah And it is It is very awkward. You can tell it's awkward. The whole thing is awkward for him. oh you're Trying to, all of it, trying to you know, have any of these conversations with Sean is awkward for him. But now he's like, it's coming.
01:11:00
Speaker
He's like, we're going to have to, we have to talk about it. It was imminent. That's so true. Yeah. He kind of has a deadline. So like, there's so many reasons why he maybe wouldn't have told, like tried to have any kind of heart to heart with Sean. Cause it's like, maybe not to,
01:11:16
Speaker
like to kind of protect her in his eyes. And also maybe he himself wasn't ready to be vulnerable in that way with anybody. And then like, you know, it's just a difficult conversation to have. and that And now it's like, he has to have it and he still can't. And I don't know that they ever really do because I think in that moment where
01:11:41
Speaker
um his, where Sean's mom kind of, Since Sean right, I think Sean just kind of is a little bit kinder to him after that. Like, I don't think they talk about it.
01:11:54
Speaker
Yeah. I think it feels like there's the tiniest bit of just like perspective shift. Yeah. But yeah, it doesn't necessarily feel like anything's resolved in in that moment.
01:12:07
Speaker
Yeah. And I do also think that that's that's like a that's a big ask, you know, to to think that just by learning a new piece of information, like Sean's entire worldview of his dad is just going to whoop change into um something different. Because at the end of the day, he did experience his relationship with Henry in a very particular way. He's still going to have to work through all of that yeah henry's still a hard ass and he's still really difficult and they still never talked about anything and so it's like yeah like it's not like he's totally you know free and clear of any guilt or blame here right but at least now he can be like oh it wasn't he wasn't the catalyst yeah and also he's hurting yeah yeah he's been hurting the whole time yeah
01:13:03
Speaker
Poor guy. Oh, man. I know. I know. I'm really excited to see more of Maddie with them. Because we we get her at, like, the beginning and the end, right? We don't really get her much in the middle.
01:13:19
Speaker
The beginning and the of the show? oh the sorry. Season three. this Yeah. Yeah. She kind of comes and goes a little bit. Okay. Yeah. So much goes down this season.
01:13:34
Speaker
Is the first Yang this season because she's here for that? Yes, which is the finale. Okay. And then she's here the first episode.
01:13:45
Speaker
Is this also the season where she's doing the psyche evals just like Eval Lasseter? Or just is that next season? The following season? i I'm not sure because she has to do it for a reason.
01:13:58
Speaker
I don't know if that reason happens in this season. and that Right, right. right right We shall see. We shall see. it's funny, like... We're like testing ourselves. I know.
01:14:10
Speaker
Like how well we know, but it's like, we're just going to watch it again. I know. It's true. It's true. But I mean, we've said this before doing this. I, I do like that it's a rewatch, but we've watched this so many times.
01:14:26
Speaker
Yeah. A lot of reference points to, to discuss even in an episode about literally nothing. Yeah. yeah Yeah. And it's fun to think about where we're going. Yeah.
01:14:37
Speaker
Because it, you know, informs where we are. Right. Yeah, totally. So having a big picture view is like allows us to be true scholars. Yeah.
01:14:48
Speaker
Yeah, and especially in ah in a world that seems so intentional, even as silly as it is, like we could dive into pretty much any little thing that's happened and find three instances before and three instances after as to why it makes sense. So yeah, it's nice to have the the reference points, I think.
01:15:10
Speaker
I feel like we're ready. Yeah.
01:15:15
Speaker
Are I don't know. Oh, you know what we do have to say? We have to say the final murder count of the season. ah Which I think only one person died last episode, right?
01:15:27
Speaker
Is it just the... Oh, I guess two. Security guard and the guy's dad. Does that count? I mean, Sean solved the case, so yeah, maybe it does count. Okay, so that is 16 for the season.
01:15:40
Speaker
so ah one for one. Okay, solid. 16 episodes. And then 33 overall. Okay. Which is a lot of murder in two years. Murder capital of the world.
01:15:56
Speaker
And then, all right, let's see. Do we want to do what episodes we're excited for again? oh yeah. Okay, definitely excited for Yang. Obvi. Oh, yeah.
01:16:09
Speaker
I'm really excited for ghosts. Me too. I do love a Supernatural episode. It's so much It just makes happy. Yeah. It just adds like a cozy, spooky vibe.
01:16:21
Speaker
Yes, i agree. yeah I'm looking forward to that. I'm also looking forward to Which one? Anyone? Murder. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
01:16:32
Speaker
Yeah, that's a great one, especially because we're going to get more like background on the boys. Yeah, we'll have some homework for that one, too. Yes. yeah we'll have to pick which John Hughes movies we want to watch.
01:16:42
Speaker
Yeah. Definitely Breakfast Club. We have to watch to breakfast Breakfast Club because they... Okay. And I think we need to watch Pretty in Pink. So okay maybe we'll limit it to those two. Perfect. Because I think... Do we get... We either get all or we get all minus one.
01:16:58
Speaker
All cameos of all of the members from the Breakfast Club in the series at some point. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So... I forgot. Yeah. Because Yang. And then yeah Molly Ringwall is a nurse.
01:17:15
Speaker
And then we get Chief at the end.
01:17:20
Speaker
So maybe off by... Oh, Judd Nelson. Yeah, yes I guess we never do get Judd Nelson. Well, in the sense that Sean has... He's reverenced constantly. He is Judd Nelson.
01:17:31
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I also love Tuesday the 17th. Oh my God. lee That's going be huge. Oh, and Lassie did a bad, bad thing.
01:17:43
Speaker
but Okay. So we do get it. We've got many. That's why we have a psyche now. Is it? it don't know. Wait, I don't know. Yeah, we will see. It's a fun one though.
01:17:57
Speaker
Oh my God. Gus walks into a bank. Oh my gosh. Gus walks into a bank. oh um they're literally awesome daredevil has one of the most beautiful scenes i think in the entire series the greatest adventure whatever with uncle jack we're gonna oh my gosh this is that one oh wait chief sister does come in this episode six episode six there might be blood yeah that's the oil rig one
01:18:31
Speaker
jane The Derby episode. I love the Derby episode too. oh my gosh. We could watch... um Literally every episode is like a cornerstone this season.
01:18:44
Speaker
There's a... um Is it Whip It? Oh, yeah. I've never seen it. I think it's Whip It. Hold on. Yeah, I think you're right. That movie is like, yeah, Whip It. We should totally watch Whip It.
01:18:57
Speaker
Okay.
Aquarium Episode and Upcoming Plans
01:18:58
Speaker
Young Elliot Page. Yes.
01:19:02
Speaker
Six feet under the sea. Fun to go to the aquarium. Oh my gosh. Yay. I love the aquarium episode. That one's really fun too. Yeah. I feel like that's another one where just like the sense of place is really awesome.
01:19:14
Speaker
Yes. I love that when I really feel like I'm there. I agree, especially with that like massive tank in the office and everything. Like it's. Yeah.
01:19:25
Speaker
Wow. Okay. Well, this is going to be a doozy. Yes. It's going to be quite the doozy. I know. I feel like we're going to have to start doing stuff before this season even starts.
01:19:38
Speaker
Yeah. Just to prep ourselves beforehand. But between now and season three, we're going to have a little rest.
Spring Break Plans and Farewell
01:19:50
Speaker
Yeah. little reset. Reset. We'll watch some fun Columbo. And what else did we say we were going to watch? Yeah. There were so many on the left. The Mummy, 1932, I think.
01:20:04
Speaker
A Screwball Comedy. We'll have to oh yes decide figure that out. A Columbo in A Moonlighting. Perfect. Well, if you would like to join us on our spring break homework errands, join us back here next time where we'll discuss some foundational work or some reference work regarding our favorite TV show, Psych!
01:20:26
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