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Episode 136- Ahsoka Series Recap Episodes 3-5
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Welcome to The GALactic Podcast! In this episode, Andrea and Lauren chat about Ahsoka Series episodes 3 thru 5. Ahsoka space walking! Hayden is back! What does Baylon want? They talk these topics and much more Go listen and enjoy!
Reminder to rate and review where available! And as always, May that force be with you!
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Introduction and Context
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This recording was done during the 2023 WGA and SAG after strike. Without the labor of the writers and actors currently on strike, the content being covered here would not exist.
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Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Glad to Podcast. I'm Lauren Romo. And with me, as always, is my cousin and fellow nerd, Andrea Gutierrez. Yo, yo, yo. Bright sun. How many times did you hear that in Florida? Bright suns? A lot. Yeah, I know. So cute. And I loved every minute of it. What's going on, Ang?
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man chilling. We haven't recorded in a while or seen each other in a while.
Ahsoka Episodes Deep Dive
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There's a lot of Ahsoka to talk about. Yes, we are doing a deep dive into the episodes three, four, and five.
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Lots to talk about today for sure. Uh, and then we do have our, uh, review. Yeah. A review of the, from a certain point of view, return of the Jedi will be having, um, this, it's probably already out by the time you hear this. So listen to it. Uh, be a fun discussion and you'll get our thoughts and what we thought about it and our favorite stories and all that stuff. But.
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Before we do that, if this is your first time listening to us, welcome. We are Star Wars Podcasts. I discuss anything and everything within that galaxy far, far away. In each episode, we dive into one or two topics and have a general discussion on them. Topics could be movies, TV series, books, comics, a specific character, you name it. And we talk about it. All right, Ansch. I know you're excited.
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to say the least, as am I. But I'm interested to hear what our thoughts on these last episodes, three, four, five. So before we do that, I want to go
Insight on Episode Creators
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The episode titles, part three was called Time to Fly, which was directed by Steph Green, who we both are big fans of. She did a great job in the Book of Boba Fett. Banger. Banger, for sure. This episode was pretty good, and Book of Boba Fett was real good.
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So this was directed by Steph Green. Writers were Dave Filoni, George Lucas. Then episode four's title was Fallen Jedi. Director Peter Ramsey, who huge fan. Again, writers are Dave Filoni, George Lucas. And then episode five, which is a big one, Shadow Warrior.
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written, directed by Dave Filoni. A lot to talk about on that one as well. So, Ange, let's just go, I kinda wanna go where you are so far. We'll start through the first episodes, one through four, because five was special, we'll talk about it.
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But heading into that episode, episodes one through four, obviously we got our thoughts previously on one through two, but these last two episodes, kind of a good mix of together. I mean, it, you know, it runs as like a kind of a long episode if they, you know, if you think about it, obviously this whole series is, but these two in particular were really good back to back.
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So your overall thoughts on three and four, what jumped out at you moments, conversations, mentions, what, where were you on those two episodes?
Character Impressions and Thoughts
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I loved three and four.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and I'm gonna say I actually enjoyed three and four in the moment watching them more than I did five. Now I liked five, but I felt like
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Three especially, just the training segments between Sabi and Ahsoka were perfect to see. A long time coming, kind of what we would have expected to see in the sequels, but didn't get it. Not that I'm knocking the sequels, but to see Ahsoka as a teacher was so great.
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Episode four, very thought-provoking, had me wondering about what was going to happen to every character, every character that we saw from Balan to Shin to Sabine, Hera, Ahsoka, Jason. I mean, it was very thought-provoking.
00:04:52
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I felt like Bailin was a highlight in that episode. He was just absolutely outstanding in them. Again, the reveal at the end of Anakin and Ahsoka and the World Between Worlds.
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I mean, it was just so many good highlights out of those two episodes. I mean, really good highlights out of those episodes, performances, dialogue, sound, music.
Jedi Training and Visual Parallels
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I mean, when we got out of three and four, I was like, this is the best. It's where it was. Yeah, it was good. I mean, I'm right there with you.
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three and four, especially three, the beginning and the whole montage of the training, I really dug it. I really loved seeing kind of Ahsoka's style, which who knows it could change now with what she's been through in episode five, which, you know, we'll touch on. But I love that seeing that kind of aspect of the Master Part I,
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We get it in Clone Wars. I mean, again, we get sprinkles, but not a lot. We don't really see the actual training, quote unquote, right? I mean, honestly, I don't think we see it too. I mean, we see it heavy in Empire Strikes Back with Yoda and Luke, which is even, but, and that's totally kind of on a different level too. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So this is very, I think, oh, I don't want to say old school, but like it's,
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probably how Ahsoka was trained, right? Like this is kind of how those, you know, Jedi padawans went through training. I think what we saw was like our expectations of what we were going to see in the prequels. Like we're like, man, we're going to see Jedis in the Jedi temple training. And we didn't get that. Right. Right. And now to see it, it's awesome. I love it.
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Yeah, it was very cool. And then having Hugh Yang kind of be the training bot as he is. So good. Very, very cool. Yeah, I love that. And I just love, again, the little lesson through that whole montage thing. Again, visually, I liked it. I liked Steph's direction, kind of eye of that episode. I thought that was probably out of the first three.
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was the most tight until episodes four and maybe five, but we'll discuss that. But visually it was great. You know, you see, you see the whales, you see Pergol, Ahsoka's out in space. I mean, it was such a, I think three was such a Clone Wars-y, rebel-sy episode, which I, again, totally fine with because we're both fans of it.
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Nothing that would shock us. Maybe it's a general audience It would have been like what is this but I was cool with it I was cool with all of it and then four I think four I loved I loved the fight between I think
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Well, not I think, but I enjoyed Sabine versus Shin more than Balan versus Soka because I liked that style between Sabine and Shin more of the Padawan, more of the kind of raw.
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going on instinct more than maybe like feel or you know like you can tell that Ahsoka and Bailin are are quote unquote masters right they're sizing each other up whereas the other two were just more aggressive
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more of that type of like fighting style kind of gave me a little more of a prequel as type of fast coming at you that we saw throughout that throughout the prequels. So I like that style. I think Bayland is the most fascinating character in this show so far.
Character Complexity and Motives
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And so him and Shin, but I think he is the most fascinating character this show has, I think, brought in so far.
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So that's kind of my overall three and four. You know, I loved it. The one thing I will say, I think, especially for the first, I say three, four, not so much, but the first three episodes, it's not the directing, it's the editing style, the pacing of those episodes, we're really like rewatching them, are really not weird, but just at points, like they really hold on to shots.
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Like I think a beat too long sometimes, not that it like takes it takes you away from it. But I don't know if you felt that way, but I felt like three and four were weren't that choppy. It was a lot more smoother, especially four. Four was really good. I love Peter Ramsey's take. Loved that episode. I love that cinematography and the pacing was really, really good. Your thoughts on that, Angie, anything that kind of stuck out to you in that respect?
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Uh, no, I, yeah, I think in one and two, there were some, like you said, like shots that hung in there and maybe it's just to fill time or maybe it's to make you
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maybe get a little bit more into the experience of what you're about to see, especially for people that have never seen these characters before. It gives them time to kind of absorb what they look like, their mannerisms, things like that. So, I mean,
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I mean, honestly, I took the most notes between three and four because I felt like the dialogue was so impressive. Yes. And there were just so many interesting points that were brought up, especially in three in Ahsoka talking to Sabine. You might as well have had George Lucas sitting there telling Sabine that, you know, that Talon is a factor, that the force resides within everybody.
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that training and focus are what truly define someone's success. Those are George Lucas's words. 100%. So all of that was just outstanding to watch. And then to see Hera intermingling with the New Republic and how bad they suck
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But Ma Mothma, you can tell, conflicted and wants to be the support that Hera is expecting, but can't be because you just have these senators and these politicians that I love how Hera brought up. Did you fight in the war or were you just waiting to see who came out on top? Which was Kaz's dad, Kaz. Yeah, I know. Don't like him at all. It was just so amazing.
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you
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how within just like five minutes, you can get another temperature of what it's like to be in the political world of the New Republic. So that was really awesome too. And I think Mary Elizabeth Winstead's performance as Hera just keeps improving and keeps getting better and better as episodes go by.
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I loved, I loved three and four so much, Lauren, and I loved five too. I really did. But I missed my people. I missed my other people. I missed Bailin and Shin. I missed, I missed that, right?
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But I miss Sabine. Honestly, Bourdiezo's performance of Sabine is lights out. It is so good. Stand out again beyond Ray Stevenson. She's stand out. Yeah, absolutely. That scene where she's trying to move the cup and then she says, you win this round, it was so Sabine. It was straight out of Rebels. It was so good.
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I catch myself being caught up in her performance just because it's that good. It's not like it takes me out in a bad way. It almost takes me out in a good way because I'm like, oh, that is to be to a T. It is amazing. So three and four were just, man, I really enjoyed them. They were great. Yeah.
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For me, four, I enjoyed a little bit more than three. Again, nothing wrong with three. I just, I think four really hit home. Again, more Baylin stuff. I mean, I have so many questions about that guy. I mean, let's go there. Yeah. I mean, let's, yeah, let's jump into Baylin and his motives because I think it's almost there. Him and Ahsoka are so similar, but then.
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polar opposites at the same time though. Does that make sense if I say that? So what I mean by that is that they both were, you know, they left the order for different reasons, various reasons, right? Like- Lost their faith. He said that. Right. And Ahsoka lost her faith, right?
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Bailin goes the other way, kind of down a little bit of a darker path, we assume. Again, I'm not calling him Sith, I don't think he's Sith, but he is, like he said, he lost his faith in the Jedi Order for whatever reason, which I hope we learn more. And juxtapose that with Ahsoka where she lost her faith in the Order because they didn't have her back.
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Right? But instead of going down a darker path, what does she do? She stays on that lighter, that light path. She helps people. She helps the Martez sisters who, again, are so important to her story. I will keep saying that. But she goes on that path where he goes on a different path, but they have similar reasons for doing what they're doing. And it all starts from losing faith
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in the Jedi Order, in this thing that they had been born into and lived through all their life pretty much, right? And then Baelin, he knows so much. He knows Anakin was Vader, which not a lot of people know.
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So how did he find out, right? He knew Ahsoka was obviously his padawan. He knew that Ahsoka has a bean as her padawan. Like I am just fascinated with this character as to how does he know all this stuff? And then what is his real motive? Because even when he talks to Morgan,
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points she almost is doubting him and he it's not that he's denying it but he's just like it like I can't remember the exact like what she said to him but he was like you know experience you know or like you're saying lost faith yeah she asked if that was fear fear she detected right something and and he goes this experience so
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And then even the self-doubt of having to destroy Ahsoka, he was just like, that's not a good thing.
00:16:55
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Cause the Jedi, you know, the Jedi are still, you know, um, you know, he still respects, I think some ideas or some traditions that he learned, but like he said, he has complete lost faith in it and he's, it's not like he's following it verbatim anymore. So to me, he is such a fascinating character. And then Shin, she is just, you know, what is her angle? She is just seems like power hungry more than he is.
00:17:25
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And just, you know, is so focused on that, that she is just, she's a great character. Again, opposite to Sabine, right? I mean, it's just, oh, I, I love the villains in this show are really good. A hundred percent. They're my, I mean, I think they, these are two of my favorite and you add Morgan to it and you got three really good villains and we haven't even seen Thrawn yet.
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Right. And that's crazy that we haven't seen them. I'm hoping we see them, you know, in this in the newest episode when it drops. But so far, you know, it's just been those three. And I mean, I'm lucky. And then Morak Morak was just Morak. So like a sister reincarnation, maybe something right. Or or a brother. Right.
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So and that's cool. I didn't like yeah, would have been fun to have those theories that everybody had come true. Yeah, sure. All right. I have Sam come in and whatever, but you know, Filoni has other plans. I'm OK with it, and I'm not losing sleepover that I was wrong with my hopes or hoping or theory that it could have been his character from that game. I'm cool with it. I'm totally cool with it.
00:18:43
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So yeah, but the big thing, well before we move on to other aspects, and any more thoughts on Bailin, Shin, the villains of this show so far?
00:18:59
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Yeah, what I think is really great about the villains is that they have a purpose, so they're not conflicted about what they want to do. Bayland mentions a greater good. He knows that they're almost start a war, and then he also states that one must destroy in order to create
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And it's so thought provoking. What does he want to create? What is his version of the greater good? What's his motive? What is he trying to recreate or try to do better? Right. Right. And he's definitely dark side. He fights with anger. He fights with...
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you know, aggression and power. Um, he has a little bit of finesse, you know, into his stances, but, um, when he's, he's going in for a strike, it's full of, of anger and power. So he's definitely in seamless shin. So, and it's interesting, they're comfortable with that and who's not comfortable with fighting is Ahsoka and Sabine, right?
Ahsoka's Inner Conflicts
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So you're,
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have these two adversaries that are against each other and one has purpose and one is trying to find their identity and the minute the one is able to gain purpose as well too, I mean, it's gonna be over. The light side will always triumph over that once it has meaning and has balance.
00:20:36
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It's just been it's just been really great. I mean, they are they're freaking great villains. They they really are the oh, they're so good. Yeah, I hope we get more even outside the series, books, comics, whatever. I'll take it all because I'm very fascinated to learn about how they met, what, you know, what brought them together. Like, I love like that stuff. I don't need it in the show.
00:21:05
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but I wouldn't mind it in a comic, a book, wherever. Like, give me more of these guys. And then even Morgan, Morgan Elizabeth, like her, you know, how did we know she obviously knew Thrawn, but how did they meet? What's their relationship? Why does he trust her so much? Because there's not a lot of people that he trusts. Her ship is awesome. Her ship is cool, 100% agree. You know, because I mean, Thrawn only trusts a certain amount of people.
00:21:35
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Roque was one, as we know, in Rebels. Eli Vanto in the books. And now it seems Morgan. Yeah, I got it. From what we can tell so far, right? Cause I mean, there's not a lot of other people that he was, you know, buddy buddies with, or even like trusted really. Eli's probably the most, like he's probably the,
00:22:04
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most trusted person? I don't even know if Theron trusts anybody, because he's not political whatsoever. He doesn't even know how to measure people off of each other. He just sees what he needs to do and does it and anticipates who is going to be a part of that plan and uses them accordingly.
00:22:31
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But he never manipulates anybody. I'll be pretty disappointed if Thrawn comes in and all of a sudden he's good at politics. I'll be so pissed. Because he just isn't- Yeah, I don't think he will be here. That was his problem in the empire that was part of the reason why he had to make that connection with Governor Price.
00:22:56
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And it wasn't even him seeking her out. She did it because she recognized how bad he was at playing the game of politics. So it's like, does he trust Morgan or is she literally just a pawn in his game to get to a victory? Oh, that's a good point. No, I mean, he is always 20, 30 steps ahead, so we'll find out more.
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Any other last minute thoughts before we kind of go into the end of four, going into five, any other thoughts for three and four? I will note, like you said earlier though, the music, the kinder, kinders, you know, all of them. Oh my God.
00:23:43
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so good the music is so good the sound design if you guys andrea you mentioned it if you have the opportunity to listen to it with headphones man i think it was in i can't remember if it was in either episode three or four could have been four you heard a lot of return of the jedi um endor noises when you're in the planet
00:24:08
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You just heard like just the sound design is so good in this show and the music the music is top-notch I Think some of kinder's best in my opinion
00:24:20
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What are your thoughts coming out of these episodes of Ahsoka's pessimism and fear of starting another war and maybe jeopardizing even finding Ezra if that means unleashing Thrawn? How did you feel coming out of that? What did you think Ahsoka was going through to get her to that point?
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I mean, if, if we look back at what she's been through, you know, finding out, again, we talked about this when we did a whole kind of Ahsoka character before the, the series came out. A big thing is for her was that she feels responsible for what happened to Anakin. She feels that if she didn't leave, maybe she, this, none of this happens, right?
00:25:17
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I think that weighs heavy on her. I think she doesn't want to make the same mistakes or doesn't want to put herself in a position to go through a similar situation. So she's very guarded at this point. That's how I
00:25:40
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getting those vibes off of her and I mean you go back to Mando you go back to Book of Boba Fett a little bit different though because she was with Luke but if you really look at Mando season two you can tell she was different right but if you think about what she's been through
00:25:59
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You know and plus we really don't know what her and Sabine have been through because I think that plays a lot of into it, right? We learn from Bailin that Sabine's parent or Sabine's family died Right we're assuming in the night of the thousand years and
00:26:18
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And then he said that, you know, he, you know, Bailyn made the comment of Sabine blames Ahsoka for not being able to do anything about it. Yeah, you said your family died on Mando Lord because your master didn't trust you. What does that mean? So again, right. Again, there's so much that I think in between when we see her in Rebels to then Mando,
00:26:46
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There's a lot that happened. And I think a lot of it, again, reels from finding out that her master was Vader, right? Reels from her relationship with Sabine and trying to train her and not doing well at it and feeling that she's failing Sabine and failing again. So she's got a lot of stuff going on.
00:27:11
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So I understand when she made the comment as a being that, you know, can I trust you to make the right, you know, to basically make the right decision because if we can't save Ezra, then nobody should, you know, we can't let them get to him or wherever they go and wherever, again, assuming that Ezra is withdrawn,
00:27:38
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We can't let that happen. And that bummed out Sabine obviously. She tried to play it off like she understood, but she did like, but clearly she, she has too much, you know, she just fears again, she fears losing Ezra and even failing him because of what he said to her in rebels, right? Of, you know, I'm counting on you.
00:28:07
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So there's just a lot, I think there's just a lot of stuff going on between them, you know, past and all that. I think it made, for me, I understood where her character was and has been. Do you feel the same way? Do you see it differently? Like, what are your thoughts on her outlook, you know, heading into these episodes three and four?
00:28:32
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Yeah, I think she's full of fear but like doesn't know it. And she's full of regret and doesn't want to admit it. Self-doubt probably too. It's like very un-Jedi of her, not necessarily un-Jedi, I'll say very unmastered Yoda of her to feel like
00:28:53
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She can control what's going to happen if they destroy the map, if they keep from finding Ezra. It goes completely against following the wills of the Force, and forever the future is always changing, and all of that.
00:29:13
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She is like, has tunnel vision I think right now and her vision is she doesn't want to start another war. And we learn why in five is her biggest regret is only being trained as a warrior. And when you go from knowing what happens in five and then you go back to four and you think of
00:29:39
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when her and Hu Yang were talking about Sabine and whether she should train her. And, yep.
00:29:48
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Ahsoka says that the Jedi failed, and she says that she doesn't need to be a Jedi. She needs her to be herself. Really good point, Anj, really good point. Yeah, and when Huyang says, I suppose you come from a long line of non-traditional Jedi, I think that's like the seed that gets planted in Ahsoka when she comes out of the world between worlds in five of what she needs to do.
00:30:16
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is not care about her past and not care about what people had done to her. Move forward. Right, exactly. Move forward. And then, I'm sorry, that line of you come from a long line of non-traditional Jedi, I think that is the coolest freaking line. If you think of the path of what gets to Ahsoka, you go from Yoda to Dooku to Qui-Gon to Obi-Wan to Anakin. I mean, that's huge.
00:30:44
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It just goes to show the importance of what type of Jedi Ahsoka is. Yeah, it's insane. The legacy, and I want to touch on that because that's a big thing in 5.2. Before we kind of jump in because you touched on it, obviously we end for going into the world between worlds.
World Between Worlds Significance
00:31:08
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And I think I said this to you in a text, and I've said this on the show, though.
00:31:14
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I did not expect us to go into the world between worlds. I didn't. I thought that that was kind of wrapped up and it still kind of is, right? Because I don't, I don't know if, I mean, we were obviously in the world between worlds, but it wasn't like she went through a portal. I think this was more of a vision.
00:31:38
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vision, quest, vision, whatever you want to, I do. Again, it's not that that she wasn't there, but I think it was a very foresee vision thing. Right. I still think, I still think that was truly Anakin though. That was super Anakin. That wasn't like a non, like that was Anakin Skywalker.
00:32:00
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It's hard to explain. I don't know. Where do you go with all that? I go to the cosmic force and the living force. You're no longer thinking of it as a world between worlds, but the cosmic force, and if you think of
00:32:18
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The living force feeds the cosmic force and the cosmic force leads the living force. And if Ahsoka was about to die and she transitions to the cosmic force and then learns a lesson within the cosmic force and then can transition back to the living force. Yeah, I like that. That's kind of like where I see it.
00:32:38
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A lot of people, me included, maybe a little bit you too, we were afraid that they were going to use it as like a time travel fixer. Yes, yes. And what's great is that Filoni flat out states that it's not about time travel, it's not gateways and indoors and you can't go in and out of them.
00:32:58
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It's a place where everything comes together and you hear different things echoing throughout time. And he says, because it's fluid in the world between worlds, everything is occurring all the time in that place. So it's just simultaneous time, right? And you don't get to travel through it. But the cosmic force sometimes will use it as a conduit to meet two force beings together, I guess is how I take it.
00:33:29
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I like that. No, I like that. I like that more. It's more of a cosmic than a, like you're saying, like a world between worlds. Like that, you know, that's what it's called. I mean, we know that's what it was called in rebels and we know that's, you know, literally Ezra and Ahsoka enter that world between worlds. I think because like you just said, and I a hundred percent agree,
00:33:53
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because that's why I was trying to, it's hard to explain because she was like, you're saying she was dying. So she was probably becoming one with the force into the cosmic force. And, but it wasn't her time yet, right? Such a Gandalf, the white thing loved it. I mean, it loves all those parallels for sure. You know, but, and that's why we see Anakin there is because he is part of the cosmic force.
00:34:21
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Right? Right. So that's why I think, I know some people thought like, maybe that's not really Anakin. It's just like her, like a vision of, like a vision of him that she thought of. I'm like, no, dude, he said some stuff that I believe were way too, like, no, that's, he remembers that's him.
00:34:41
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That's Anakin. That's truly Anakin in the cosmic kind of force being. The one thing that absolutely proves that it's not a vision and it's not just something that's happening within Ahsoka's mind, I mean it is but it isn't, is that Jason can hear it.
00:35:02
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And that is proof positive that that is an action being taken place by people in the force, beings in the force. I was so smart to do it that way because otherwise you could speculate or you could argue and debate from the end of time that, no, it was just a vision. It was just a vision. No, there was an outside party that could recognize what was going on.
00:35:28
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And that's huge. Yeah. Yeah. And to have it be Jason was awesome. And then I was thinking, oh man, Canaan name drop and everything was great. Oh yeah. But then I was thinking like, because, oh, I just hit my table. My bad. Such professional. I'm so excited. We get excited around your kids. Because Ahsoka was
00:35:51
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Like passing through the realms of the cosmic force and the living force and the force is like moving all around That the force started to go into Jason more and that's why he could also Tap in so well and Hera could as well too because the force was literally like seething in that moment. Oh I like that. No, I like that a lot. I like that a lot because it is interesting that Dossie Jason is here is at first and then he was able to get his mom to hear it
00:36:22
Speaker
And I was talking to to I was talking to Jason from blast points great show guys If you don't listen to them, they do really good stuff blast points. Go check them out I was talking to him on Twitter and he made a really good point of Again if I'm pretty sure this was Jason I'm a hundred percent sure it was Jason but he he made the comment or made it kind of brought this idea of
00:36:51
Speaker
because Jason was force sensitive.
00:36:55
Speaker
maybe he was able, and kind of like what you're saying, because of what was happening, because of the cosmic force, he was so strong at that moment, he was able to maybe amplify and kind of like have his mom hear it too. So it's not that Hera is force sensitive or anything. I think like you're saying, it was kind of Jason was the conduit or the outside person
00:37:22
Speaker
being able to hear it and then being able to amplify it or have his mom hear it as well. Yeah, I like all that kind of cosmic-y Jedi stuff. It's good. And I love this journey that we go on in the World Between Worlds. I will say this, so when episode four ends,
00:37:45
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I think I made the comment to you after that the Hayden at the end of four was a little too smooth, a little too shiny. Like CGI, that was, again, I got over it because it's Hayden Christensen, I don't care. But in episode five, that was just clearly worked on and it looked really good.
00:38:12
Speaker
Like I didn't even really like, cause sometimes you can tell, right? I mean, sometimes you can tell when it's like a little bit, not bad, but it's just like, you can tell it's like a CGI, right? I think my eyesight is getting worse because I just don't ever see it. I just don't. I noticed it on four. Four was where I noticed it. I don't even see it with Luke at the end of Mando. Like I just don't. Oh, I saw it. It was bad. I'm telling you. I just, I think, I think my eyes are bad.
00:38:43
Speaker
Baby, baby. But in episode five, though, he looked really good. Oh, yeah. He looked great. I mean, the costumes, first of all, were fantastic. He looked great. Even when they did the younger version.
Clone Wars Reflection
00:38:59
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Oh, that was bust. I mean, we go on that whole trip of her going through the Clone Wars and everything. And having a younger Ahsoka, that was amazing.
00:39:11
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Hayden and in the actual Clone Wars armor. It was so good. It was so good. It was so good. I remember watching it. I'm pretty sure I said out loud to myself, like, what am I watching right now? It left me speechless. I was like, no way. He did it. Filoni put it into, again, a live action form.
00:39:39
Speaker
Gotta give it kudos man, he did it. And then to even take it a step further though, so you see him obviously Hayden and a very young Ahsoka who the actress that plays Ahsoka, the younger Ahsoka was the one that played a very young Gamora
00:39:57
Speaker
in Infinity War. And I believe her name is Adriana. Let me see what it is. Adriana starts with a G. Oh, okay, Ariana Greenblatt. She's the one that played young Ahsoka. She looks great. Looks great, loved it, loved it. And then again, to take it a step further and to have Hayden in the,
00:40:28
Speaker
Cold War's armor and all that. To see a Rex, we got a live action Rex. You know, you first see him in that very first kind of, you know, first vision or whatever you want to call it. You see him in the background. And even, you know, you're just like, God, is that Rex? He couldn't tell, it looked like him.
00:40:49
Speaker
See all those clone troopers though, running out of that smoke and everything. Oh, it was so good. It was really, really good. But I love the conversation between Anakin and Ahsoka. It felt very clone wars. Yeah, there were a couple back and forth dialogues that were just absolutely outstanding, especially right in the beginning.
00:41:13
Speaker
when Anakin said to Soka, you lost a fight, it was so Anakin, you know? It was really good. It was just, yeah, really good. And then like later on when they started talking about like, what is this all about? And we'll get to that part, but when they're in the siege of Mandalore, but I couldn't believe it. Like they're talking, they're fighting,
00:41:43
Speaker
he she gets him like right like she she hits him and she she says to him like I don't really think you have anything to offer and he flat out just takes the the ground from her like it was
00:41:58
Speaker
So freaking cool and then all of a sudden it's it's foggy You see a young Ahsoka and then you're like is that a clone trooper? And then you see another clone and you go holy crap It's clone trooper and then you hear Anakin you see the blue lightsaber Yeah And then and then and then Ahsoka says is this a clone wars and it was like I was like is it this is this is clone wars like oh my god it was Anakin was like yeah, no kidding. Yeah, okay, right
00:42:25
Speaker
And the way he looked in that moment the arm or hair it was perfect It was so frickin good. Yeah, I Think for me too when we get to the part where she's sitting next to that clone trooper. Mm-hmm Really great moment. I thought and again to go back to kind of maybe how how she's been feeling or what her you know what her
00:42:55
Speaker
where she was thought process wise heading into the show. I think you really get it in these couple scenes when, you know, she says, I know I led these guys into the battle and, you know, I got them killed. And I love, again, I love Anakin's, you know, this is war, Ahsoka, like I am teaching you to survive. I am teaching you to lead.
00:43:24
Speaker
You know, and I love his line of, you know, when I, when I was a Padawan and we were peacekeepers, you know, then the Clone Wars happened. And now I have to teach you to be a soldier. I have to teach you to survive and lead. You know, and he talks about, you know, well, we'll get to that because it's a little bit further at the next vision or whatever, but you know, I, and I love how, you know,
00:43:50
Speaker
her line of, is this what I'll have to teach my iPad one? And it is, again, it's very Clone Wars, it's like, do you even want one?
00:43:58
Speaker
And he's like, it's not what it's all, you know, it's not what it's all cracked up to be. She goes, why would you say that? I'm joking. You know, how can you joke at a time like this? Like it just, it was so Clone Wars. It was so good. And then I love his line of what would you, what do you want me to be? Do you want me to be more serious? And she's like, I prefer it. And that's again, that's when he goes into the whole, I'm teaching you how to survive and lead.
00:44:23
Speaker
That's what you have to be because of the times. You have to adjust to the times that you're in. That was, I think, a big thing, a big theme, I think, within this whole thing, is Ahsoka having to learn to adjust and to get out of that warrior-soldier mentality, because she's been in that mentality for her entire life. I think that was part of the point of it.
00:44:47
Speaker
of his lesson, right, was the teacher that you have to move on and you have to adapt, right? You have to survive. You have to learn what I have taught you, but you also have to adapt and move forward. It was a big, big part of that, I think.
00:45:03
Speaker
Any other thing before we jump to the Siege of Mandalore vision? Any other thing that you liked within this Clone Wars-y vision that we got? Yeah, I thought instantly when she was next to that trooper and she says, we lost so many, that was a Soka post-Siege of Mandalore, an Soka that had seen the entirety of the Clone Wars and knows what the result was.
00:45:32
Speaker
of it and it was, yeah, and then it was like really interesting. Like you can, and in that moment you can tell like, that's what she dislikes about this
Ahsoka's Acceptance and Growth
00:45:44
Speaker
whole thing is having to be a soldier, having to learn how to only fight. And then if that is going to be her legacy taught onto another Padawan as well.
00:45:58
Speaker
And right now, that's what's on the forefront of her mind that she doesn't even want to have a padawan of her own and she doesn't want to teach Sabine how to fight. And that even goes back to what Bailin said to her in the previous episode about your legacy. Right. Is one of death and destruction. And that hit her heart. And that's a big part of it too. Yeah, I 100% agree.
00:46:18
Speaker
What's super interesting is when Anakin's like, do you want me to be serious? And she says, I prefer it. I prefer it. It's so not Clone Wars Ahsoka, let's be honest. She was right up there with Anakin, counting how many droids they took out, keeping score, race you to the surface. She was full of play during that time. So now you get to see her,
00:46:49
Speaker
feeling the weight of what she experienced. What she's been through, right? Yeah, what she's been through. And then when she says, what if I want to stop fighting? And he says, then you'll die. And it's like, it took me, it really took me a long minute. It maybe took me a couple of watches to really understand like what that lesson was. And the lesson was that sometimes a Jedi has to
00:47:18
Speaker
Like, come to the call, right? And come to what's expected of them in the moment. And she's been so against that. But I think in that moment, she finally admits that, yes, she was a warrior. Yes, she was a soldier. It was necessary at the time. And her master taught her what he knew, right? I think she really blames Anakin a lot. Like, all you did was teach me how to fight, right?
00:47:48
Speaker
That's like blaming your parents for like having a bad childhood. Like they're only teaching you what they know, right? You can't blame them for that. And it's just like so amazing that like all of a sudden I came to this moment where I was like, whoa, this is like the beginning of like a spiritual awakening. Like for her, her admitting to like what she was and what she
00:48:12
Speaker
and accepting it is literally the first step of overcoming either some sort of problem or addiction or anything like that. It was just this huge moment where she was like, yes, I'm admitting that I was a warrior and a soldier, and I may need to be that again. And I don't regret it, and I shall no longer blame my master for that as well, too.
00:48:41
Speaker
She transitions, obviously, after she has another fight with Anakin. And we get to see her as the Soak of the White. And it's because she literally had a spiritual awakening coming out of the cosmic force of the world between worlds. Clarity. She got clarity. I mean, 100%. I think that's a big thing.
00:49:02
Speaker
And I want to jump into that siege, you know, the siege of Mandalore thing, but to piggyback off of what you were saying when he says, you know, when she says, what if I don't want to fight anymore? It's almost, and you can almost feel that maybe.
00:49:18
Speaker
through these kind of recent, you know, cameos or especially now that we've seen her in a very, like we talked about earlier, we see here, we see a different Ahsoka, right? It's not the one that we've always been accustomed to. And maybe she is at the point where she doesn't want to fight anymore, right? Maybe she is like, I'm tired of doing this. This is all I've been doing my entire life.
00:49:45
Speaker
And, you know, that lesson that he tells her, like you said, which is, you know, really deep, you know, the deeper theme of it, which was really, really great about coming out of it and, you know, like accepting it and moving forward, you know, accepting that she was this person, but now she doesn't have to be. But also, you know, the really obviously the obvious kind of theme of, you know, if you give up on yourself,
00:50:15
Speaker
you're giving up, you are gonna die, right? Keep moving forward. Don't give up on yourself to never stop wanting to live, right? I mean, it's such a basic lesson, but it's such a Star Wars-y lesson too. And that's why it's so good. It's perfect between these two.
00:50:37
Speaker
And then that shot before we get into the siege stuff, that shot of him walking during the Clone Wars and that flashing of him, great shot. I mean, that was really, really good. I mean, I know we've kind of, they kind of used it with Palpatine and Rebels, right? When Young, when Ezra, I get it, but this was way cooler. This was done just way better. So I don't care if they kind of,
00:51:05
Speaker
I get it, where it was kind of like, it's nothing new, we've seen it before, but it was just so cool how they did it, that I was fine with it. But then you get to the Siege of Mandalore and you see her with the two blue blades. See the fall, yeah. The minute I saw that headband that lights up and I go, oh my, I was literally Leonardo DiCaprio, like snapping my fingers and pointing to the screen. And I was like, it's Siege of Mandalore. It took me until I saw, like I wasn't sure,
00:51:35
Speaker
And then I kind of saw the outfit, but then it was the whole mall, mall Mandalorians. I was like, oh, dude, this is a freaking siege of Mandalore. And that's her outfit, which is one of my favorite Ahsoka outfits. Me too. Is siege, loved it. And you see her be a total like, you know, kicking butt way better. You know, and I love how, again, you see Rex, we get that, that was Rex.
00:52:00
Speaker
We hear Tem's voice for it. Totally fine with it. I know some people could argue why not throw in Dee's, Dee Bradley's voice if you're not gonna show the face. I'm fine with it. It's Tem. Tem is Janglefad who are the clones. It makes sense for live action. Totally fine with it. And then you see her cross her arms, various soca, right? You see Anakin and I love, again, another, I think,
00:52:30
Speaker
proof that this was really him. He's like, I don't remember this one. Right. She's like, you know, this is his main part of the ways at this time. And he was like, oh, OK. He's like. Looks intense. I just and she was like, yeah, I was. And he's like, well, looks like I taught you. You know, we parted, but you I taught you to be a soldier at this point. So, you know.
00:52:56
Speaker
And then that's when I think, this is where I really love this episode is when he talks about legacy. He's like, you're part of a legacy, Ahsoka. And that's when she goes again because of what Balan said before and death and destruction is her legacy. And then that's when she brings up him and him being more powerful or more dangerous than everybody realized. And I love Hayden's.
00:53:24
Speaker
response of, you know, is this, is this what this is about? Like, and I just like how he was like, then you're not even, you're not even learning. This is not, you're not paying attention. It's not about me. Right. It's you. Right. We're not talking about me. Right.
00:53:45
Speaker
Exactly. We're not talking about my mistakes. I have to deal with my mistakes. And then she says, if I am everything you are, and then he goes, then you learn nothing. It's perfect. It literally is perfect because it was the most simple way to say, I am no longer responsible for what you become and you have to come to terms with that.
00:54:09
Speaker
And you have to forgive and accept and move forward. It was beautifully written. So simplistic, outstanding. And how he said it was so good. His delivery of that line was really, really good. And then he was like, back to the beginning, right? Live or die. And let's fight, right? Let's do the thing that you hate.
00:54:34
Speaker
And let me bring it out of you. Let me bring the hate out of you and see where you go. It was perfect. And I like how he turned into Sith, Annie, like because again, he got, he, you could tell that he, again, his emotions got him, right?
00:54:51
Speaker
just like they get them before. I think those scenes can be very misunderstood. I think you could almost see it as like maybe Anakin wasn't a good teacher. Maybe Anakin wasn't a good master. Maybe he was a little confused on what he was and his responsibility in it. Like if you don't like
00:55:11
Speaker
Anakin, or if you're not a Hayden fan, I can maybe see how those scenes might, that message maybe didn't land for you, and you're just continuing to think that Hayden is a villain, and then he transitions into, you know, villain Hayden, Darth Vader, so you're like, yep, that's what he is, he's a bad guy.
00:55:33
Speaker
But what's awesome is that's just not what is being said. And I love that it's not over complicated. If you get it, if you get it, if you know, you know. And it's perfect. Yeah, I loved how that was kind of his final lesson. The red blade comes out.
00:55:55
Speaker
And he's like, all right, this is what you want to talk about. If you want to talk about me and not you, and you want to talk about me being that person that I turned into, then let's, let's, let's go at it. Cause this is what you want then, you know?
00:56:10
Speaker
And for Ahsoka to stop fighting and then to say, you know, I choose to live, right? I choose to move forward. I choose to forgive you. I choose to no longer feel the regret and to take the responsibility of what happened to you. Like, it's huge. It's so freaking good.
00:56:33
Speaker
No, it's, it's some of the best writing. I mean, hands down it is. It's some of the best writing and I really enjoyed that entire sequence. It was well done. And as you talked about before, Angie, so she comes out of it and she is now a soak of the white. Before we kind of get into that, do you, and I know you mentioned this before, so I want to bring it up.
00:56:57
Speaker
in our text conversation, do you think we have seen the last of Hayden or do you think we'll see him again later on in the show or maybe in another season? What do you think? Maybe in another season. But I feel like at first it felt like there wasn't closure in that interaction. And I think it was just because
00:57:23
Speaker
I didn't really see what the underlying message was. What the theme was, what the bigger theme was. Yeah, but I think there is closure there. And then when you see then Ahsoka become Ahsoka the White and her demeanor changed, and you can see she's, I mean, really just like how Gandalf was when Gandalf became Gandalf the White, of allowing things to happen to you instead of trying to make things happen for you.
00:57:51
Speaker
Instead of controlling it, right? Right. So it, um, I don't know if we'll see him again. I don't know. I want to see him in a Vader series, bro. Oh, that's gonna be a bro about it. That's a whole podcast. I'll be a bro about it. I want to see it. I disagree, but that's okay. We'll talk about it. Write that down. We'll talk about it at another show. No, but I love that transition because it is. It's, it's the lift. The weight has been lifted.
00:58:21
Speaker
She is now, I think, free of the self-doubt, the fear, and she is back to her Ahsoka self.
00:58:31
Speaker
And I loved it, I loved the outfit. Dude, that white outfit looks good. It's because of my shoes. Nice shoes, looks great. I love the whole get up. It's fantastic. And again, like you're saying, the demeanor. I love when, you know, Yu Yang's like, so, you know, they're going to take us to Ezra. She's like, I don't know. Right. Well, she's like the shrug. What are you talking about? Yeah, he's like, he's like, what are you, he's like, what are you talking about? She's like,
00:58:57
Speaker
I have no idea where we're going. He's like, we could be anywhere, go anywhere. And she's like, yeah, but at least it's nowhere. At least it's, you know, at least it's somewhere. And I just love that because that is so Ahsoka. That's the Ahsoka that we saw in the wars. That's the one that we saw in Rebels. Like we, that is the, that's that Ahsoka that we're used to.
00:59:20
Speaker
So I loved all that. Loved it. I don't know. I'm interested to see if we'll see Hera again. I think we will, because I think we'll get more of the New Republic stuff, right? But maybe not. Maybe we don't see her for the rest of the season. I doubt it, but because I kind of got a feeling of we're moving past that stuff right now. We're really going to focus on Sabine and Thrawn and Morrigan and Bailin.
00:59:50
Speaker
So I am curious to see if we will see Hera in the New Republic again. I mean, I would assume so, but if we didn't, I wouldn't be surprised because I feel like we're on to the next step. Right. We're not we're not going to be hanging around the New Republic or anything like that. Maybe, maybe not. We'll find out. But yeah, I'm excited to see where this goes because it's just it's open. It's open. I have no idea.
01:00:19
Speaker
What's going to be really interesting is what this new Ahsoka is going to be like with Sabine. Yeah. And what it means for Sabine. And for Sabine to find out that she's alive because she believes she's dead. There's no, you know what, that kind of bothered me when she fell off a cliff and then Sabine was like, she dead. No.
01:00:42
Speaker
But we don't know. But again, she doesn't know that. She doesn't know. So I know that didn't bother me as much. I'm fine with that. I don't blame Zabine for believing that. I don't. I don't. Listen, I want to say this.
01:01:01
Speaker
Episode four gave off huge, huge ex-girlfriend vibes. I mean, it was like... I've heard people say that between her and shit. I'm dead serious. When they would bring up Ezra, it was almost like they were bringing up someone that maybe Sabine... It was such ex-girlfriend vibes. It was crazy. No, I don't ship them, and I don't think that that's gonna be their fate, but...
01:01:32
Speaker
It was as a lesbian watching it. I mean, I pretty much felt like I was watching the L word in the Star Wars series. I mean, Star Wars universe. That's serious. It was in- Shit and Sabine. No, with Ahsoka and Sabine. Oh, Ahsoka and Sabine. Okay. You're talking about Ahsoka and Sabine. Oh, okay. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. You've brought that up before though, for sure. I know you have. I know. I know you have. And I don't hate it. I am, man.
01:02:01
Speaker
Wouldn't hate it. I'm cool with it. Whatever they want to do with that character with either character. I'm fine with manos But it's good. It's good. It's their relationship. I think is going to be a hundred percent different now For sure. I think Ahsoka will be more relaxed with Sabine and maybe that will help Sabine I'll be more open to the force and be able to focus more and maybe I
Speculations and Future Plotlines
01:02:28
Speaker
be able to move something with the force, no? Do you think we're gonna get there? Do you think that we're gonna see Sabine with force abilities? Well, I know about force abilities, but I don't think you set up that scene of her not moving the cup with not bringing that back and having her at least maybe move it a little bit or something.
01:02:50
Speaker
What do you think about when Sabine was fighting Shin and Sabine throws the hand out, the force hand out? Do you think it was a fake out or do you think Sabine was truly trying to use the force in that moment? Maybe a little bit of both. More fake out than I think because she knew she had her whistling birds. So it could have been a little bit of both, but I think more fake out than anything because I think Sabine is smart like that.
01:03:18
Speaker
You know, I think she knew at the time she, you know, she didn't have the force, she knows that. But Shin didn't know that. As far as we know, Shin didn't, Shin didn't know that until then. So, cause she was almost surprised that nothing happened. And that's when she said you have no power, right? Yeah. Like Shin almost like braced herself for like impact. Right. Right. And then nothing happened. So.
01:03:45
Speaker
I, yeah, I'm excited to see where this goes. I hope we get Thrawn this next episode. Cause I don't want to, I don't want to wait for him for the like last two episodes. I want to see him now because I say that I want the general Star Wars fan who doesn't know him. I want them to realize how dangerous he is.
01:04:11
Speaker
Right. That he's like a formidable opponent. Right. I don't want it to be like, well, what's the big deal? We only saw like, no, I need him to do his thing. And I need him to be in these last four episodes in a bigger way. Right.
01:04:27
Speaker
Cause I mean, even like you, even as a general, like my, for instance, my mom, she knows who he is, but she doesn't really know, you know, she's only watched rebels like once. So she doesn't really remember. My dad's doesn't know about him. So to introduce him as a very dangerous villain.
01:04:45
Speaker
They need, you need to set that up. And you can't do that in two episodes, right? If he, if he just shows up in the last episode, you need to do it, I think early to really set up for people to understand why, why he was mentioned right in that Mandos in Mando season two, why Ahsoka is going after him, why she's worried, why is Ahara worried about his return, right? Why did my math, uh,
01:05:10
Speaker
Why did Martin Mothma get a little worried when Hera dropped his name in that meeting? That's why I think he needs to show up. I don't know, what are your thoughts? Yeah, I mean, I would have liked to see him already.
01:05:28
Speaker
I mean, honestly, so yeah, I'm hoping that six, seven and eight are, are Thrawn heavy. I'm going to be dead serious. I hope that they are. Me too. And I hope that that conflict is like what these last three episodes is about.
01:05:47
Speaker
I feel like the character building has been done and I feel like what the characters need to be going forward can happen in a later season. I think like we need to get to Thrawn. You think we see Ezra? You think we get Ezra? I don't think so. Whoa. I don't think so. I think we're gonna see like Kanan. I think we're gonna see everybody. No, I don't know about Kanan. The only reason I say that is because from my understanding, Freddie Prinze
01:06:16
Speaker
is basically like, I'm cool, I don't need to do a live action. Man, that could be a complete fake out. And it could be, 100%, you could be right. I mean, I'm not putting money on it, and I'm not looking forward to it at all, but if it happens, I'm not gonna be like, dang, I never saw that coming. I feel like we're heavy in rebels here, and canon is an integral part of that.
01:06:44
Speaker
And I agree I do I don't again the first four or five up You know the first four or five episodes for sure have been very like if you know rebels and you know, right? I Feel like now we are getting into the heavy. This is the Ahsoka show right So that's why I don't know if we'll see Ezra
01:07:06
Speaker
Number one, number two, and I said this to you, my theory of we haven't seen the end of Rebels yet. Because we just got a soak of the white. And I understand. And I get it where I'm probably selling like a lunatic and that I'm making no sense. Because I understand that that shot was almost, was basically shot for shot.
01:07:33
Speaker
of the ending with her at the mural and all that. I get it. But you can't tell me that Dave Loney doesn't do things on purpose and wouldn't do that scene again.
01:07:49
Speaker
to have then a Soak of the White show up later on. Again, that's just my thoughts. I could be totally crazy and that's fine. And if that was the end of Rebels and this is what we are finding out moving forward, then that's fine. But that's why I give a little pause because I don't think we find Ezra that quick. I don't think it's gonna be that easy too.
01:08:13
Speaker
I really don't. I don't think he's just going to be hanging out with Thrawn or he's going to be near Thrawn. I just, I, that's too bad. I really wanted those two to bond while they were together. I agree. But I, I don't think that happens clearly. So we'll find out. I mean, again, I, I want Ezra, believe me. I, I want Ezra Bridger. He is one of my favorite characters in all of Star Wars.
01:08:40
Speaker
Do you think Ahsoka traveling through hyperspace with the pergol was seen by Grogu? No, I don't buy any of that. I buy it. And that's fine. It could, and that'd be fine. I don't know if they would.
01:09:01
Speaker
I don't say that they wouldn't do that, but I don't think that was it. I think he was just feeling the pergol. I think he was just a man genius, man. And I don't disagree, but I feel like for Mando, I feel like that was just say, hey, weak, weak, you guys remember these space whales for me? Like I get that. It was more of that.
01:09:23
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then it was, oh, he's feeling Ahsoka. That's just my opinion. And I honestly don't think we're going to go straight to Thrawn. Like I don't think the pergola are taking her straight to where they are. I just don't see that. Cause then that's like, that's again, it's too easy.
01:09:42
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I think they are. They're following the path that was just laid before them, so they're gonna go to the same path. Well, the path, they follow again, as far as we remember in Rebels, the pergol follow where they can get gas or whatever, right? That's why they went to that one planet, right? They were diving into all the, whatever it was, like gas or methane, so then they could power up whatever it was, whatever the hell it was.
01:10:10
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But they I don't think they go straight to where he was. I really don't. I really don't. I think we go somewhere else and it could be because I think people have. Decoded the airbrush, the air airbrush. Around like in the planets that get mentioned, right? Those other planets, right? There's Lothal, Lothal was one of them. Yeah, Coruscant was one of them. Was it Peridia? I think was another one. I think Mandalore was another one.
01:10:42
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How did you feel that Huyang said Star Whales instead of Space Whales? That's fine, I don't care. Star Whales? Star Whales, Space Whales, same thing. Okay. Why, did that bother you? No. But one time I said Space Whales in a conversation with a casual fan and they were like, no, Star Whales. I was like, okay. Whatever.
01:11:07
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I've had some pretty dumb conversations with people these last couple weeks. Some people that just don't know who Ahsoka is. And it was really hard for me to not push up my glasses and say, let me tell you about the lawless because some people said some pretty dumb, dumb, dumb things to me.
01:11:31
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Well, that's going to happen, but they're learning and hopefully they learn who Ahsoka really is. Someone said to me, when did Anakin Skywalker have time to have a padawan? It's called the Clone Wars, bro. And it was like years. It wasn't just like a couple of months, it was years. I know. It's worse than it was years. I know. So yeah, he had a padawan during that time. Yeah.
01:11:56
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People don't and that shows people don't watch animation and that's sad But I've also known people that aren't familiar with rebels or the clone wars and are completely like yes The the show is doing a great job in catching me up filling in the lines telling me what I need to know I'm loving it Yeah, it is because if you didn't know that that was his padawan you really got the sense in that vision and the whatever a cosmic
01:12:27
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You know, uh, the in between, the in between worlds, world between worlds, you know, before she died, he's like, that was literally, you know, it gave you all that information. It's what it gave you what you needed to know about Ahsoka and Anakin. And then even his line, one of my favorite lines is, you know, you're never too old to learn snips and how he delivered it was so good. Like again.
01:12:56
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And I will say Hayden, he's still got it. He can still swing a freaking lightsaber. Oh, and he is so good. He's so good. He still has it. That guy practices. I bet you he just is running around his house or just, you know,
01:13:18
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I mean, training with his little kid. Heck yeah. So would I. Yeah. I mean, I can freak a Skywalker. I'm, I got a lightsaber and I'm like twirling that thing around all day. Heck yeah. But he is so good at it though. Like he, like he's still like as fast as he was back in the prequels, man. He's that good. Like he is one of the better, I mean, honestly, out of all the people that we'll have wielded light sabers as actors,
01:13:49
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He's probably the best, in my opinion. Ewan's up there for sure. Yeah, Ewan's up there, but I think Hayden's better than Ewan, in my opinion. I mean, they're both good, but I think Hayden is a little bit better than Ewan. I just feel like he still has it. He could still do behind the back, like he is that good still.
01:14:13
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And you can tell that it's hated. It's not like a stunt double. Like it's him doing it. Yeah. You know, so it was, yeah, it was great. I, I thoroughly enjoyed having seen him and it made so much sense to have him in the show. And I'm glad they did. I'm glad Filoni took that chance to tell this story.
01:14:35
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And this is how, you know, this is how, you know, it happens. And it wasn't, it wasn't like them rehashing and him saying, you know, I, you know, I came around. It was, I got, I have a lesson to teach you. Right. It wasn't them rehashing. It wasn't them, you know, saying how much they miss each other. No, it was never, never too old to learn snips. Like I have more to teach you. I loved it. Loved it.
01:15:04
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And final thoughts on episodes three, four, and five of Ahsoka. Anything else you want to bring up? It's great. Yeah, so we got six, seven, and eight last three episodes coming up. So we will see how this ends. I don't know if they really wrap it up. I don't know if they haven't announced the season two or anything. How can they? Yeah, no, right. I mean, obviously at this point, everything has been pushed back and or nothing has been
01:15:34
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Announced yet, but regardless, very excited to see where we go with the show. Very excited to enjoy the ride and see where it takes us.
01:15:46
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All right, kids, that's it. That's the show. I hope you guys enjoyed it. We enjoy you guys listening to us. We appreciate it very, very much. You can follow us on The Galactic Podcast at The Galactic Pod on Twitter, AKA X. We're also on Instagram. I got to Instagram more on that account.
01:16:06
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Uh, we were also on threads and soon to be blue sky as well. And you can follow me, Lauren Ramo at low row nose on all the social medias. You can follow me, Andrea Gutierrez at r2d2step on Twitter and Instagram.
01:16:29
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And threads. Yep. I fixed my Instagram handle to match my Twitter handle. Synergy, baby. Yep.
01:16:41
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It's, you know, it's kind of made me a little sad, but I felt like I needed to do it. My original, you know, was little DMV thing. And that's like, that's deep. That's my identity. That's, you know, there's a DMV song called Little Thing and everybody says it's about me. And, and then, you know, it was, it's a big deal. But you know what, I must move forward. Like Soka. Yes.
01:17:07
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We move on, we move forward. All right, guys, that's it. I hope you guys enjoyed it. And as always, may that force be with you. Always. Always.