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The Leftovers Season 2 Part 2
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May Kevin Garvey be with you
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Capturing Good Content
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Try to strip and spin it.
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good
Impact of Kevin Smith's Films
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good time to start recording yeah no that that's that's when we get it that's when we get the good stuff that's when the that's when the juices flow you know this the sauce is poured you know yeah the this this lake of juice is staying filled i don't care no spirit of patty is draining this motherfucker um the who who should we talk about next to who's next on the on the chopping block of of characters man I don't know why of all of Kevin s Smith's filmography, that dumb moment from Jane Silent Bob Strikes Back, like always. And there's a lot of stuff from Jane Silent Bob Strikes Back. That wasn't even like the most watched comedy when I, that wasn't even the most watched Kevin Smith movie when I was younger. But somehow they're like all so much of that is like etched into my brain. That movie, like, because that was like weirdly Kevin Smith's like major commercial play where like there was so much crossover, like that was the most visible his brain.
00:01:14
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It felt like a coup. You like they gave this guy like money, the kind of mainstream comedy money. And he's like, wow yeah I'm going to still do my thing. gave that man money? They should arrest him. Oh, they did. That's why were like, the rape was fine. That's the, I mean, we need to talk about the other stuff.
00:01:35
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Oh, geez, Louise. The thing i will always give Kevin Smith credit for kicking Weinstein to the curb before all of that stuff. Like he, cause a lot of people didn't do it until after it was like public. it's like, you guys fucking knew. Although i feel like Ben and Matt did their mea culpa. I mean, that's why they produced the last duel and we're in it. They were like, Hey,
00:01:59
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Rape culture, bad. Don't do it. and then and Not on our watch. the Like, yeah, those are good guys.
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Yeah. Like the the thing with, ah you know, i don't know Kevin Smith that with Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. I feel like
Matt's Character Analysis in The Leftovers
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even though like that movie wasn't like some massive commercial hit, it wasn't like, you know, a big blockbuster, you know, success to my knowledge.
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I felt like the DVD was ever present growing up. Like whenever I go to like a friend's house, i owned it everybody had a copy of it. Yeah, it was just one of those copies that like, you know, ah something's got to give. You know, I feel like everyone had that DVD, you know, growing up. Like everyone's got like a couple of DVDs. Every asshole just miraculously had appear on their doorstep.
00:02:49
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Yeah, and it would be a good, you know, like, oh, friends are over. You may be doing some, you know, teenage drinking or whatever. and it's like, what do we throw on? It's like weed. Yeah. It's like, who well, this I think will go well with those things. Let's just throw this on because because it's it's like I'm maybe not putting clerks on in a party hangout environment. So I'm like, oh, let's do this one's more crowd pleasing. Let's go to Jameson Pop.
00:03:15
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and And, you know, to bring it back to the leftovers, you know, i would say that like the most Kevin Smith character coded character in the leftovers is Matt. I feel like Matt is like very similar to like Dante from Clerks. The whole like attitude of not even supposed to be here today. You know, things go wrong for him. ah And I love the episode.
00:03:36
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Yeah. Somehow they top the Matt episode from the first season with the second season Matt episode. I would argue next season's Matt episode tops. They keep getting, they keep going.
00:03:48
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It's so good. and And good for Mark Eccleston because he really rises to the challenge every time. I love the American voice he's doing where he's like, I am authority figure. Yeah.
00:03:59
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i am an authority figure Take me seriously. i am now in control of the church. Almost like Daniel playing you, you know? like I'm a church man.
00:04:14
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I'm in Miracle because Mary walked once before and she will walk again. no it's an incredible episode. And ah my dad was with me for this one. He saw part of the first Mad episode, but he he was like there for the entirety of of this one. And I'd even already said like before when he was watching. So I'm like, yeah, this guy's like Joe basically. Yeah.
00:04:36
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And very, if you weren't sure, they would the ah when he's asked what his favorite book of the Bible is in this episode, he's like, Job. I'm like, all right, on the nose, but you we'll allow, because that is what Matt would say. Because, like, that's, he'd be like, yeah, the this guy who suffered being tested. Of course, that's your fucking favorite book. Because, like, you want this to If it's not a test, then it doesn't mean anything, you know, like you need it to be like a confirmation of all the like, you know, God's testing me. All this other weird shit going on. That's this actually, you know, it's about me. How does this set episode end? But like Mary is awake. He was right, you know, and he decides, nah, I'm just going to stay back here and suffer some more. I deserve it.
00:05:27
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I'm the main character. This is about my suffering. This is called the mat over. So I'm going to get in the stockade. ah and just his answer to when the woman asked, like, why? And he's like, I want to take his place. He's like, it's my turn now, which is like, you could read that as badass, but it's like so stupid. It's like, man, you go be with your wife. Like, yeah.
00:05:50
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Done deal. You did it right. Like the only reason he's getting up there is because like he feels the desire to do it. And it feels like it's coming from a selfish place, not from religious. It feels it makes a distinction with him.
00:06:00
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It makes him feel important. And he wants to make a point, like especially after that interaction with John, we alluded to like he does on his way back to you know, encampment outside. He does ah emphasize to John. He's like, Mary woke up, not recanting my story.
00:06:18
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I'm going to be out here. You know, like he could have just said what he needed to, to get back into the, the, the park and, and then been like to John, and through the the good God's real miracles are real. you're in mary con like he's says singing the yeah like He's like, Hey, you want to see my wife? We're dance. She's awake now.
00:06:44
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her Her leg's a little weak, but I think you're actually... Yeah. look you know Yeah. what Matt was saying. But the thing, it's, again, what I was saying before about Kevin, you know, like, screwing himself over later on. Like, Matt does push things too far when he's talking with John. and again, is it's this repeated... Because he was in. he was in.
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he was... or John was ready, even even as sus as John was, because it does look bad from the outside of your wife who is comatose. Yeah. Is now pregnant. When did that happen? And for us as an audience, like like an amazing thing, I got to say, the way that this is handled, because we never see her get up. We only hear ah Matt say that she had woken up once. He told Nora, like when she comes and asks him, is this place for real?
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and there's that, but then it's like our introduction to the season, even too. It's like, we have Matt there. Right. And he's going to say that she stood up again. And we know that that's, and the the priest is like, on second thought, you know, we, we seen what John does to these, you know, miracle types, you know, maybe you want to pump the brakes on that just a little bit. Right. And, uh, The thing that's interesting is that because we don't have these confirmations, because in our mind, you we're just like, you know, just taking Matt at his word because that's what the show's forcing us into. When that revelation happens and it's like she's pregnant, it is a moment where we're like, oh, God, what did Matt, Matt, come on, dude, like that's fucked up. Like I had that thought for most of this episode. The fact that she does come back and it's proven that this is like some kind of thing where she is.
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waking up again and she was a conscious for that moment as well it is such a confirming moment for matt but what's fascinating about not just even like but he still looks like an insane person even if you like you're like that is true that did happen magic is real ah ah so many moments in this episode he's like the look in his eyes and like just what he's doing he's like this is the actions of an insane man but But then also more pointedly, it's like there are several points in this episode specifically where he does something to ruin his position and then later says that God put him in this position because would be more challenging. So it's like you did that.
00:08:59
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Yeah, and calling yourself God in the process. Yeah. It's it's this total, you know, Ouroboros, self-fulfilling, eating its own tail kind of thing where he's causing his own pain and getting pleasure out of causing himself his own pain. And the pain is the thing that gives him the meaning. And the meaning is what allows him to treat the people the way that he does. And by and as we've already alluded to, the fact that he abandons his now recovered wife to...
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suffer more
Themes of Suffering and Belief
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pain by the end. That's what it meant. He didn't care about, like, you know, all of the, you know, getting in and out to save his wife. He cared more about the struggle, and he wanted to feel that struggle every single beat and way through it all, which is ah such a fascinating way to portray any character, really. This is a guy who needs to be persecuted and is disappointed when he's not persecuted enough, which is strange.
00:09:48
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He selects life on hard mode, like, Nora offers to him when they come, they see like he's basically living like in the back of the church or something like the the he doesn't have like an actual house house. And Nora's like, do you marry when I like stay with us? And he's like, no, no. I mean, the egg he has the excuse of like he wants to do everything the same way the day she woke up. But it's because of what you said. He wants to do it on hard mode. If he's like kind of living in squalor a little bit, like that's that's like better. You know, it's like this very Christian notion. but I mean, it's funny that he's not Catholic because I feel like that at least my experience with Catholicism or American Catholicism is like, no, you need to suffer and feel bad because he's like all about that. he is like, no, is it's like.
00:10:41
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You don't it it's because it's not like he has some great sin he must atone for other than the selfishness that he is doing to it keep himself in this perpetual state.
00:10:52
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So it's like, what are you doing this? Yeah. Other than to feel important. like i want to get back to batton just a second but i i had this thought while i was watching this season and because like obviously we because there was a rapture we are under the impression that there is like a connection to christ in some way at least in the way that we're meant to perceive it at this point who knows where it goes in season three What I'm getting at, though, is it's like, OK, so we know that there has to be some kind of like Christ connection to this. We assume that it's, you know, Christianity. um Catholicism definitely enters into the equation a bit. But the thought I had it is like the leftovers is kind of like a Mormon redo.
00:11:32
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The idea that like Christianity symbolism is now like in America and the way that it's also a representation of America's own ideologies and belief structures rather than just a. you know, learning from the teachings of Christ christ in the Christian sense and applying it in, you know, the traditional, you know, the way that theology was baked into America as a Christian state. Instead, this is doing it a bit differently where it's like, you know, it's ah from the self, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's a different perspective. By your own bootstraps, you gotta, you know, the hoist, hoist up your, your faith. Yeah. And it's ah strictly American in the terms of like it's all the backyard. And that ties right in with the sentiment you just had there. It's fire bootstraps.
00:12:20
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Bringing it back to Matt, it's like as he's repeating that day over and over again. I love that the song is going over and over again. Like he's just in this routine. And he like is doing this because he wants to recreate the moment in which she woke up. But there's also like a comfortability that he finds in doing this over and over again, similar to the hard mode comment that's been brought up.
00:12:42
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It's, you know, there's a comfortability that he has in suffering this way because he believes that it is holy that he did that in the first place. It's almost scarier to deal with. the Like if he gets got what he wanted sooner and she did wake up from him doing, like repeating this ritual, then he has to figure out what to do with that. like Like it's like he can handle the idea of like, okay, I just keep repeating this. Let me just do the same day over and over again. Like that's something you can wrap your mind around. But then you're like – my wife who's been comatose for three years has woken up and, and, and now she's pregnant. And you're like, I, where do you start with that? So it's like, I'd rather just be in some stockades naked and maybe some people can like throw shit at me. Like that sounds pretty good.
00:13:28
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put me you with the pilgrims i want to be a peasant you know ah also it's interesting uh comparing it to kevin right because kevin uh he is seeing all of these possibly holy visions and having experiencing like these other worldly events and he's not seeking these things out necessarily he's he's like go away we want to i want to be normal but But he might very well be Jesus, right? And then going back to Matt, it's like, Matt is like, no jesus like I'm I'm not over first a year
00:14:03
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I'm here, right here. The one. I did it. i I'm going to have another kid. Just like. She's having triplets. yeah like he he He wants it too bad.
00:14:15
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And it's it's because wants it Right, because if there was a God and he was watching this, he'd be like, you're too thirsty, bro. You know, it's kind of like how they say that, like, when when you're trying to hook up or you're looking for someone, that that's you're least likely to find them then than them when you're, like, kind of more relaxed about it. Like, that's how he is with God. He's like, there's, like, fucking cum for God seeping out his eyes. he's like, pfft.
00:14:41
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and And it's interesting, too, like after he is in the blockade, he's there for like days, if not weeks. He's made that the new routine. When Norik brings Mary out to visit him, he's got his like clothes folded up next to the you like, really like oh, he's got a system worked out already. He's dug it ships. Yeah.
00:15:02
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yeah He's got like the beard. He's got like blood crusted over from a dude he's hit before. And he's like, oh, I'm doing fine, Nora. Don't worry about me. you know, it's like, well, like you just love. i'm I'm on. Yeah, I got a few minutes. I'm on my lunch break from my middle evil torture. I can. Oh, what what's up? Hey, it's my wife.
00:15:22
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Lord won't be happy with my 15-minute break if it 20. I have a moral duty to the blade to get back in the blockade. And I love how Nora knows she can't talk him out of this. like It's like as soon as he says he's going back, she's kind of like, oh, Jesus, man. like But she does she's like...
00:15:46
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okay, you're going to do your Matt shit. So like, let's just get Mary back in, you know, that like, and even Kevin's like, what's happening. He's like, yeah he's going back. Like the cheek, she's like, yeah, it's just, he just does that. don't know.
00:16:01
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And we also have to think about Mary in this position where it's like Mary has been paralyzed. She hasn't been unconscious. She's been like mostly caus cognizant through a lot of this. Right. So it's like from her perspective, she is watched her husband change completely in a different direction. From the moment when she was hurt in this accident to the moment that she woke up, ah her husband is a completely different person, I would say. Right. So the fact that she is now like, you know, visiting him on this compound and it's like, this is my husband. He's just like, this is what he does now. that His life is just like complete and like selfish suffering. Yeah. And he chose this over me and our baby.
00:16:42
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like I'm fucking pregnant. Why are you out here? That ain't shit is what it is. Right. And, and ah also like when the, ah guilty remnants start to flare up, he does like nothing about it, really. He's just like, oh, there will be like the the revolt. He just lets it happen. And even when there was like a bomb about to go off, there's there will be a reckoning because, yeah, i think he's, of you know, the mindset that some Christians unfortunately have where you're like, well, you know, God will sort it out, you know, like the wicked will be punished and, you know, the good people
00:17:16
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ah it will be spared, you know, so that's... i'm ah What am I to do? Although, I do like the confrontation he has with Meg earlier when she's pretending to not be in the Remnant anymore, and he almost clocks it. Like, he's naive in a lot of different ways, but he also... he isn't dumb.
00:17:32
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Like, so he does the pretty quickly, although but also Meg's also not putting a ton of effort into hiding it. Like, she's still... and saying like guilty remnant type shit even if she is talking you know but she is like not really uh you know changing her tune so he's like i think you're not being honest with me like something little sinister is coming off of off you I smell plans. You're planning something. And and then the the thing is, like, because he's taking this, like, theological higher rate a high road route every time he speaks to somebody, like, I believe that he also is sniffing out the bullshit that Meg is putting out. But then he also needs to play the good guy and be like... Well, you told me everything that you believe, and that's just the way I'll believe it. You know, like he'll just take it at its face and leave it there, at least in that conversation. Well, because that also absolves him of culpability, because if she tells him I'm going to do a fake bomb scare and like take the visitor center hostage, then that kind of puts a responsibility on like, oh, shit, do i have to do something now? She like said, like, there's like a plan and shit like ah i got of and I got to actually do stuff.
00:18:48
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Look at where we're at now, right? Where it's like guilty remnant previous season, right? Like Matt hated the guilty remnant. Now he's kind of like aligned with them in a weird way at this point. Yeah, like he's ah and in his mind is like, oh, they deserve to be saved. But he's not.
00:19:07
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They're not enemies to him, you know, like because it's almost like in a same way where they want the world to not forget they want like they want everyone to still be in pain from what happened and matt will never let go of suffering because he wants to be suffering and be being tested so it's like kind of ideologically there is overlap you know even if he wouldn't admit it in those terms it's like you guys are all about suffering so It's like that not a dissimilar belief system.
00:19:42
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It's kind of like his his exact bag, right? and And by the end, he gets what he wants. He gets back into Jarden, right? And she's awake, and and he's like, I was right. Again, it's it's a happy ending, but it's not a good ending, right? like Yeah, you'll see you'll see what happens. for from if It's like, okay, Matt, calm down. Like, this isn't going to be like...
00:20:04
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Like, chill just chill out. Well, like, I don't even need to see the next season to know that Matt is going to get less chill or something. No, he's he's only going to get more crazy. That's that's his whole m MO. and And, like, just to underline it even more, I just love Mark Eccleston, the way that he performs. Christopher Eccleston.
00:20:25
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Christopher Eccleston. I'm mixing them up. Christopher Eccleston is just unreal. The way that he's able to, like, have you laughing one second and then just, like, Is he going to get it out of here? like Like when he pulls over on the side of the road and he gets his car stolen, it's like it's mimicking the whole like when he saved the guilty remnant bit. But this time, the people that he went to save are the people who hurt him. Right. Like it's it's changing his approach at every ah impasse. And it's the fact that he sticks to the same route every time that indicates what kind of person he is.
00:20:57
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It indicates what kind of person he is and like everyone else in this world will pick and choose which things actually have meaning. Because when he sees the guy who beat him up, the car overturned, like there were like goats in the road or something. And the guy who stole his wristband is dead. The son survived, but the dad is dead. That, you know, in Matt's mind, he's like, hmm, serves him right. You know, like it's like. Ah, I am the the faithful one. God will reward. But then he still wants to add more suffering on top of it. So he goes back. He's just like, you dipshit.
00:21:32
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Hilarious at every turn. It just brings a smile to my face. Again, the show is still funny. and And it's at its most funny when Matt, like, is doing this stuff. i don't know. I just love It's funny, but infuriating, especially when like other people are being dragged in his orbit, like when he has all this stuff about trying to get his wife back. And it's like, if you truly believe this, you should be taking zero risk and doing everything.
00:21:57
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the Like the fact that he even, good Samaria or no, pulling over for that. yeah yeah I mean, one, did you know down that with your wife in the car? Like, just get her back. Yeah.
00:22:08
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Well, and and if if the movie friendship taught us anything, it's that you shouldn't take your wife to the sewers at any point because like that. i when How much does he pay? How much does he pay for that non-shortcuts? Oh, my God.
00:22:24
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he He paid $1,000 to be literally, like, shot out of a crap pipe. You know, like, he's out of the crap pipe covered in shit with his wife in this creek. and And I'm thinking to myself, like, oh, my God, did she get hurt? Like, did she lose the baby? you know Right. That's what I'm worried about because i'm like, Matt, come on. You need to be thinking with your head. Like, that's why, you like, him, like, just saying that shit to to John at the last minute. It's like, bro, you were in. Like, you did not have to do this.
00:22:55
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He doesn't have the same problem as, ah you know, the Garvey family, you know, like they have the permanent resident wristband and it's no question where they live and all that stuff. Like they they are set and solid. Everything in this episode just gets worse because of him. Like he is the one who is pushing it this way.
00:23:15
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Right, because if he had taken Nora's offer previously and lived with the Garvey's, then he would have permanent residence, right? Like, they could he just register under that and be like, that's where I live, you know? Like, I live with my sister. and their residents yes the rest therisb band does He doesn't he?
00:23:31
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Oh, right, because he has the religious exemption. Yeah, right. I just meant, like, he but that's why he needs the sponsorship, because he doesn't have the wristband. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But he's he's considered valid no matter what. It's only the fact that he complicates it through everything he says and does. Like if he didn't say that shit to John, like no problems. John was willing to let a guy who maybe raped his, the you know, paralyzed wife in just as i saying in work. but Pretty much as like a solid to Kevin, you know, because he's like, all right, well, you are the brother-in-law of my bud. You may be psycho, but I guess I'll do it.
00:24:13
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ah Yeah. And then he just had to. What does he say to him? He's like, why are you like this or so or who hurt you or something? He says, just who hurt you he says you it' it's really funny.
00:24:25
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and And you know what? He's right. Who who heard Matt? Because, like, you know, like, he, he like, actually, no, we already know what happened. It's because his wife literally after the departure, that's what happened. You know, like, that that does mess up somebody. that That would do that. But literally this whole, you know, Messiah complex that he has is self-inflicted.
00:24:45
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Right, because you could just, it's terrible what happened to your wife, but like the departure itself, it doesn't really mean anything.
00:24:56
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Like, it's like, it's just, it was just really unfortunate. It's just like, bad shit just happens. And it doesn't make you better or worse that if it happens to you more.
00:25:08
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It's just like, then then you just become, i mean, that's beyond unlucky when you're causing it. And it's like how you're just, then then you're you're beyond unlucky. Then you're just stupid. You're just causing all this shit for yourself.
00:25:20
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Well, it's also this thing where it's like, ah you know, we already know what happens when you find peace with the afterlife and all that with Kevin. Right. Like the way that he was able to do it was, like I said, make peace. Like the the idea that it's this, you know, constant set of trials. That's not the way that this world's framework is. So the fact that we get the confirmation of that just makes all of what Matt goes through even funnier. Yeah.
00:25:44
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um It's like, Matt, there is a formula. You're just not you're not doing it right. You're friends with Kevin Sr. Just ask him what the deal is. He knows shit. He can tell you. but hes He's the wrong denomination. That's what this all is. That's what it comes down to. He's just like a part of the wrong... He should just be doing drugs with Kevin Sr. in Australia. That's what he should be doing. ke I wish Kevin Sr. was in the season four. He's in... He's... I mean, without giving away the shape of season three, like there's there's there's shit with him in it. So like, yeah,
Influence of Zack Snyder in Cinema
00:26:15
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I i love I love that actor. He's he's he's so good. um It's kind of like a more grisly Sam Elliott, you know, where he's like, oh, you really fucked it up this time. You know, like i love I love it. I love it. ah
00:26:28
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Best part of Sucker Punch. Yeah. he's He's in Sucker Punch? He's like the wise old man that guides the girls when they're going on their odyssey. He has the line that I will always quote context. He's like, if you don't believe in it, if you wait if if if you don't believe in anything, you'll...
00:26:48
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You wait, if you don't believe in something, you'll fall for anything. and Speaking of purgatory, I just hope that Zack Snyder gets stuck in purgatory for making Sucker Punch, in my opinion. You know, I hate that movie. And and I think I think that's I think he's there. fence I think he's there already. Netflix.
00:27:06
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Yeah, pretty much. yeah He's apparently making like some kind of like drama. And and that sounds hilarious to me. youve got God bless him. I don't know what a Zack Snyder movie looks like if you strip away the effects and like that art of it because I'm like, that's the stuff like whether you like it or don't like it. And I'm somewhere in between. where I'm like, sometimes it looks nice. And I, you know, I'm fine with style over substance. If there's like you give me something kind of cool look at for a long enough time. ah But I'm like, OK, if you strip that away, what's this thing?
00:27:36
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Because I'm like, it's. You just do it realistic, but there's still like speed ramping. It's like, but during a conversation scene. but I don't want to be too reductive, but I will say this. I think that this whole like a Zack Snyder's artistic genius, all that stuff. I think that it's been legitimately bad for cinema. I think that it's like forced a lot of conversations about like who good directors are and if people were holding Zack Snyder to that level of like good, important director who deserves support and all that way. it it it was in support of a lot of vapid. like I think vulgar art to ah vulgar altruism has been taken in ah like a negative direction because my interpretation of. My interpretation of that is like that term exists to describe people like Verhoeven, you know, where it's like say it excess all Joe Dante.
00:28:30
Speaker
Right, right. Like guys like that where it's like maybe I can see the the case for – and there's a couple of his movies that I quite enjoy, but like – once we start saying like that Michael Bay is like the, the height of where it's like, you just want to justify, like you can like whatever you like. That's like how shit where you can just be into whatever. So it's like, you don't need to retroactively justify some bullshit that you grew up on and say that it's like high art. You can just be like, i like transformers, you know, who like, yeah,
00:29:07
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Here's what I'll say about this, why vulgar auteurism is bull bullshit. It's because like in any auteurist analysis, you need to consider the filmmaker themselves and what they're saying and how what. And they actively ignore that because they're like, um bla bla bla bla but but but no, no, no, no. Michael Bay is not a conservative. No, no, no. If you look at it like the Transform movies are kind of like actually woke and you're like, no, they're not. Like, what do you mean?
00:29:30
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But look how he's moving the cameras circling around. Look at that. And and and it extends to Snyder as well, where it's like, I think that most of his movies have like ah a reprehensible politics. I think that like the the adoration for his films has made the space worse because it enraged, like it it enforced the tribalism, right? It kind of like made that something that... Things were already trending that way, but then making the Snyder cut, which...
00:29:58
Speaker
Yeah, I enjoy it. It's obviously better than the movie the original movie we got, but that sends the wrong message in the same way of like, oh, fans complain about how Sonic look, we'll change it. You should not yeah tell the fans that you will concede to them at all. like that that's Especially once you have toxic people like the Snyder bros, because then it's like...
00:30:18
Speaker
Do you think that's going to appease them? They because they should be. They're the sorest winners ever. They won. They got the thing. It's it's he did it. The movie was really even got more money to like add and some bullshit. that ah they They added Jared Leto. you know Yeah, that that should not be the selling point movie that you could put 15 percent more Leto. This time he got the Joker right, though. And then you watch the movie. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Look, we like we obviously live in like the Taylor Swift era, right? Where it's like your your adoration for things is like, an they're cult editions you can buy. Yeah. and and And the thing that really upset me was that like this this idea that like getting the Snyder Cut out was like some win for artists.
00:31:06
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No, wasn't. it Like you said, it was it was a win for needy fanboys. And then they still want more. They said restore the Snyderverse. Execute James Gunn on live television and restore the Snyderverse.
00:31:21
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Even though he's the one guy who's maybe the most likely to give Snyder something like not that they would restore the Snyder verse, but like they have worked together before and they seem like pretty chummy over, you know, like that they he could throw him a bow and be like, hey, you want to direct whatever, you know, like ah that. like if that's what you But they don't actually don't even actually care about the artistic – if you ask them what they like about Snyder, it's specifically the Snyderverse stuff because those people didn't give a shit. they They weren't hyping up Rebel Moon. I mean there's nothing to hype up there from what I understand. I didn't watch them, but those people weren't doing –
00:31:58
Speaker
going to bat for that because they don't give a fuck about that. They're like, restore the Snyderverse. I want to see a Batman and Superman like dark as hell. I want to fucking I want Batman to cuck Superman and get little slain pregnant.
00:32:13
Speaker
I love the Harvest Moon fans because they talk like they're in an MLM. They go like, oh, you got you got to go deeper. You know, oh, you you saw the first ah Harvest Moon? No, you got to see the second Harvest Moon. I like that you're calling it Harvest Moon instead of Rebel.
00:32:27
Speaker
i was like... i Like the farming. You can do it that way. No, that's funny. That's the funny, because I'm picturing Zack Snyder, like all these video game adaptations, they're like, Zack Snyder's Harvest Moon. And it's just a farmer going around killing people with like a pickaxe. He's like cutting off heads and shit. Or emotion. He's like, I got to get these radishes. The grass and the vegetables come alive, and he's like, got to like take out all his like farming tools. Like, all right, it's war. Okay. payback time he says like something it's dave batista like who would not be a farmer in the traditional sense this time it's personal he cocks his shotgun or his shovel he cocks a shovel
00:33:12
Speaker
starts using the pitchfork like it's a ah double-sided light saber you know but like detaches and shit he's like yeah That sounds good. He should make he should make that. That's that's those are the video game. made I video game. editor i' defending I've said I've said this on I've said this on Mike before. Video game adaptation should be you give someone with a weird vision a lot of money to make something that really doesn't resemble the game at all. And alienates fans like like the 90s Super Mario Brothers movie. That should be the template. The fact that that was a failure, quote, unquote, we took the wrong lessons from it. We're like, oh, let's just show some fans some dangling key. Like, oh, this is a Goomba. Here's a Koopa. Like, nah, that's fucking boring. What if, what if, what visualize the big fish from the Mario levels as a large rotund woman in a leather club who grinds up on Mario and is like horny for him. Like, make put that in a kid's movie.
00:34:11
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ah Honestly,
Creative Visionaries in Film
00:34:12
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I think that the the lost Gore Verbinski Bioshock movie would have been this in my mind because I feel like Gore Verbinski, he would have been faithful to the games and to some extent, but I feel like he would have done his own thing for the movie. And and just on that note, because there's no other way for me to get past this, but i just need to share this with you because i heard this the other day and and I never heard anyone talk about this and it's bananas to me. So Gore Verbinski has that new movie coming out, right? Yeah. Good luck. Don't die. buth bla blaa yeah Have fun. Good luck. Have fun. Don't die. That's, i think, what it is. Yeah. But the... the He made that movie independently. he has another movie that is almost finished. And, like, he kind of made this movie in between the other one that he's trying to get finished. ah But he pitched it in an interview, and I heard it, and I was like, oh, my God.
00:35:00
Speaker
It's a... space-based musical starring like and it's animated and it's starring cats and the and the cast of characters include ice cube and anderson pack see this is what vulgar auteur is should be like the like hyping yeah shit like that up like like i not not zach snyder Yep.
00:35:26
Speaker
Like, like that's just the root of the matter. Right. Like, like W.S. Anderson. It's like, oh, great. We got another Mili Jovich backflip movie. Like, great. Whatever. Like the, when it comes to getting something like that, though, and it's like, oh we're going to get like space cat musical with Anderson pack on the drums, you know, yeah ah' my catnip, you know, like, come on. So like it just say some shit like a million dollars of the budget went personally to Anderson packs cocaine supply. And I'm like, sign me up. Where do First cocaine. No. Yeah. i'm I'm a, yeah. I was, I, low balled that. That's like for a day. you, you low balled his high ball.
00:36:13
Speaker
Well, if he has that much, maybe he can just crank out the whole score in a day. So you don't need to get him more than a couple of days worth. You're just like, whatever, he'll be up the whole time. You can nail this. I have to say, though, like it is quite bold that Hollywood is attempting another musical cap film.
00:36:32
Speaker
Like you'd think that they would be scared away at this. They didn't even release the butthole cut of the other cast. Those are fucking cowards. Like that's the the Snyder cut. Why aren't we talking about release? you Oh, release the air cut of Suicide Squad. don't want to see that movie probably sucks more. i don't know. Give me the butthole cut.
00:36:54
Speaker
Where is those cat butts? Yeah. Well, Duck, you know, like in the absence of an actual movement, you know what the answer is? We got to put them back in ourselves. smooth and who We got to frame by frame key him. fucking but But do it for real. Like get pictures of real cat assholes or animate them and then put them in frame by frame. i don't want don't if you AI bullshit this stuff, I'm I'm jumping out a window. Don't do that. shit If you do it with AI, you're going get banished like. ah
00:37:26
Speaker
Like poker face. <unk> We're going to send you to an island with poker face like Rian Johnson got rid of her. I don't know. That's actually why they're why they're ending that version of the show. But I like the narrative of the Ryan. We know you're listening to the show and you're fan. So you probably heard us talking about you like that's a good point. I hate AI, but Natasha Lyonne's doing AI. I got it. And poker face.
00:37:49
Speaker
He listened to the pod. He saw our tweets. He was like, got to tap into the only right opinion. And he he tapped in. He was right. You know, that the thing is, is I got to say massive respect to Rian Johnson to do that, I would say, in my books. You know, like there could be other reasons. It could be like some scheduling bullshit that it just happened to a lot. But he is very anti-AI. So and outspoken about that. So like we the. we also got to talk about the fact that like these press things, like they're not in an accident, right? Like if, if a news thing comes out one day and then a day later or two days later, somebody says something apropos of nothing, that's not accidental. Yeah. It's known that Natasha Lyonne is an AI person now. That's like part of her brand now. Right. So it's like the fact that he would get poker face canceled and then say that right afterwards, you know, it's, I don't think it's a coincidence.
00:38:42
Speaker
Right. Because then why say that? and why say that then when if it's like he's a professional. So I think like that's as much mud dragging that he'll publicly do. Like he's never going to come out and be like, ah, fuck her. You know, like I hate that she did that. But but the type like you said, that sends the message itself that he did just said that when he did.
00:39:03
Speaker
And also, like, where's the ah I miss working with Natasha Lyonne statement? Where's the oh, it's a shame that the show has been canceled statement? I haven't heard it. I haven't seen it. Yeah, I think i the the the the quote is, OK, well, here's another version of the show. We can keep this right. It's not like yeah it's it's more like, all right, don't let the door hit you on the way out. We got oh, we got Dinklage. Fuck you. It's actually all we don't need you.
00:39:30
Speaker
Some would say an upgrade, and and that would be me. I'm saying it's upgrade. Oh, I'm very pro-dink. Give me some more dink. I don't want, yeah.
00:39:41
Speaker
Heaps of dink. Yeah. I want that dink kush. want dispensary. You got any of that dink dink? i want I want ounces, ounces of it. I want you to give me as many ounces as Peter Dinklage himself in dink kush.
00:40:00
Speaker
they should have There should have been a tie-in, like some kind of weed brand with like its Toxic Avenger. It's like Toxy, Toxy Kush. it's It's just like a really, it's like edible arrangements. Only it's like weed nuggets. It's like radioactive, radio radioactive weed.
00:40:17
Speaker
Nice. Nice. They say weed kills cancer cells. This gives you cancer. This this reminds me a lot of Nora Durst's subplots in The Leftover. This is the, well oh my God, that's like a Academy Award for transitioning there.
00:40:37
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. what Very natural. didn't you If you felt a speed bump, no, you didn't. not Not since the godfather in Vito's mustache becoming a tree has there been a better better transition. So that's that's and impressive.
00:40:55
Speaker
Wait, does Nora smoke weed at all that we've seen yet? She's definitely smoked cigarettes, but I don't think I've seen her toke up which is surprising. she's she Out of
Nora Durst's Role and Relationships
00:41:06
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all the characters, she would be the one.
00:41:07
Speaker
Of all the adult characters, yeah. Like, I i mean, i feel like most of these characters should just, like, just take a hit, man. You chill out. Like, you youll they'll leave the guilty remnant. They'll just, like, take a hit. They'll be like, what the fuck am I doing with this white? gotta get out of here.
00:41:24
Speaker
There's, like, ah an offseat of the guilty remnant that dresses in all, like, hemp-based. Stands outside of the guilty remnant. Playing hacky sack. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They get too easily distracted. they They forget why they're there. They're like, yeah what I'm hungry. Why are we what we doing outside of this cul-de-sac, man?
00:41:44
Speaker
They just start playing frisbee golf instead. Like, it's it's just complete chaos. And then they they put their joint out on the lawn, and that starts the fire that like, burned down the cul-de-sac. It was actually an accident. It wasn't the townspeople. Yeah.
00:41:58
Speaker
it And it's an act of God. It is. Yeah. They put the stoners there to put the fire. Yeah. um But we we should talk about Nora Durst, ah where I would say like this season, i do feel like Nora kind of goes to the background for large portions, which is a shame. But when she does get her most. We're mainly seeing her. so yeah, we're mainly seeing her through Kevin's eyes. But we do get the perspective of like last season she had her own episode. This season she kind of it's kind of like her and Erica share an episode because like it's like yeah giving you the the contrast of the mothers of like, OK, well, let's, you know, let's hold them side by side. And you also, you just get great scene beats between both. You know, you have two powerhouse actresses like that. you're like, yeah, let's fucking throw them throw together.
00:42:49
Speaker
see what happens. and And ah like the the thing that with ah you were saying before, just because I don't want to let this pass about, ah you know, how Nora, we're seeing her from the perspective of Kevin And it makes sense that Nora's kind of overlooked in that sense because Kevin is really overlooking her just in his day to day life. Right. Like he's he's just like, oh, yeah, it's fine, whatever. But it's not until later that he's like, ah you know, like, I'm not OK. And it's kind of weird how you're not noticing that I'm not OK. And how that becomes like its own, you know, issue within themselves is quite and and important for the plot.
00:43:25
Speaker
I mean, she spends $3 million dollars on a house, like on a kind of on a whim. It's like that's not the like Jill is right that she needs to feel safe. That's why she's doing it. But that's also not the behavior of a well-adjusted person. And to just do that, like she didn't consult Kevin. She just goes into the bidding room. and And also she could have won it without spending the full $3 million. Like that's, yeah, that's what she got from MIT. I love that scene when she finds out – who's wants to buy the house and she meets with those scientists so incredible because she very reasonably especially someone who's been through what she's been through she's asked wants to know one what their theory is and yeah i like that they're like yeah it's like maybe a matter of location you know ah matter geography like if you had been at the table know like we don't know like and
00:44:17
Speaker
Which ja hall that hits you like a ton of bricks. And then and then she's like, OK, well, if you do this and you can prove that, then what? Because it's not like like if you're her, you're saying you're like, well, you guys can't fucking bring my family back. So like, what's the point of all this? And they're like, well, we want to be able to stop future reoccurrences and then that's the first time that her or even me watching it the first time you would be thought of like another departure happen again table yeah and that's her she asked that and and they're they're just playing like why wouldn't it you know why wouldn't it happen again
00:44:51
Speaker
Well, it's it's like reality has now been broken to a degree, right? There's new laws of physics. Throw out the book. You know, like we're trying to figure out what the rules are. But if that's possible, it could just happen again. And also like to speak to the function of these governmental people who are taking over. Not even government. It's a scholarly. It's like a school is buying it. But the the thing is, is that ah at this point in the show, in this season, ah whatever government entity that was caring for the people who were victims of the departed, their their tune has changed now. they They don't care about the departed as much. It kind of feels like, you know, after 9-11, you know, like how people just kind of didn't care about the people who survived there, right? Like there is a DSD and and they still have funding. Like I feel like that's the purpose of the Joel Murray character, which I fucking love seeing Joel Murray show up in and in anything. Like it... ah ah i
00:45:46
Speaker
hot take hot Hot take. Is he the best best actor of the Murrays? Who's say? i'll just I'll just throw that like a grenade in a school bus and walk away.
00:45:59
Speaker
No kids on this one, though. No kids. This is public transit. It's just Ghostbusters fans. It's just a bus full Ghostbuster fans. I throw a grenade in the bus. And Paul Feig.
00:46:11
Speaker
But... but The ah something I wanted to touch on to you brought it up is this inverse with ah Erica. Right. and And we just got to like, you know, stop for a second.
00:46:23
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Regina King. Woo!
00:46:26
Speaker
and And I also we get you get why Lindelof after working with her, like, oh, I'm going to write a show for you. yeah It's like it's like you feel like she is not given like much this season. Like she has that part of that episode. But it's like she steals the whole show for a bit. And you can feel David Lindelof. He's like, yeah, you need your whole season of television. You you are that good. You know, like it it is so funny and transparent. Watchmen is birthed from just her inclusion here.
00:46:56
Speaker
Yeah, he's like, don't worry, I'll get you that Emmy. And then he did. so you know, kudos. and and That sequence when she's running and it's deaf outside, you know, like you're actually getting that, like, just really, really strong filmmaking, I have to say. Like, it like it really off it like You can kind of like, hear the cars getting closed to her and stuff. And then also, like, the sounds of the feet running. Ah, actually great action filmmaking.
00:47:21
Speaker
Yeah, it's i well I love subjective filmmaking like that. But then also we get the scene with her in Nora. But the another powerhouse scene with her I want to highlight is in the church near the end of the season when she kind of starts calling the town on their bullshit. Like we've talked about how there's like all these rituals, like people are kind of like intentionally stuck in amber that they want to just keep repeating what they do on the day. Because it's not just the guy who kills the goats because he happened to kill a goat. On the 14th, there's, like, the woman who is was trying on wedding dresses. And she kept a dress that didn't even fit. Because there's, like, oh, maybe it was a dress that spared us. like And she's, like, calling out everyone in church. in front of on It's, like, the anniversary. She's, like, are you fuck guys fucking serious? Like, because...
00:48:08
Speaker
The fact that they let this goat guy, he walks into so many different public places and executes these and shit. And they're like, that's just his thing. you know like Because in the back of their mind, they're like, couldn't hurt. you know like they like yeah They want that status of like, okay, well, if that was if God saw that he liked it let's just make sure we cross all our... box you know like We don't want to we don't leave anything out that's off the table.
00:48:34
Speaker
And then also like this woman who was trying on her wedding dress, like she's now stuck to be on her wedding day like forever. And there is like a real... like We see even moments where she's like... When the guys first come into town, she's like, do you guys want a picture? And they're just like...
00:48:50
Speaker
She's a she's a yeah, she's a tourist attraction. Like that's when Megan heard Beyonce go there. It's like she's part of the tour. And she doesn't like there's no peace there. This is like she's considered one of the examples of like this is how miraculous Jordan is. And as she's like, oh you know, like i'm I'm sick of this. I'm kind of over this. And because you're not a person, then you're just you're just an object. Yeah.
00:49:12
Speaker
And having Erica freak out at the meeting, she has like ah a Michael Shannon take shelter moment. Yeah. Really going nuts. And like it it does such a great job to reflect with Nora because like with Nora, she like I said before, she's suppressing her emotions through all of this. And like things just keep getting worse and worse because like, as you said, there was this revelation that the school had made where it's like maybe her proximity had something to do. With like the events and then the lens theory of the lens. Exactly. And the, the, the phone call that we get where they're like, you believe that you have been possessed by a, the the demon as real or something. Yeah. Yeah. And that, that he's inflicting chaos through her reaction to that is so fucking good. Yeah.
00:50:01
Speaker
It's the whole show. That's what the show is about. and and and Nora is like very equal to Kevin and importance at this point. Like before I felt like in first season, she was like a part of the ensemble, but very important. I feel like at this point she is like secondary lead.
00:50:15
Speaker
the The next season reinforces that because there's like an episode titled The Book of Kevin. And then there's like, I think maybe the end of the show is like The Book of Nora or something where it's like, no, these these are like, it was like we're writing the new Bible and it's like, they're the books.
00:50:31
Speaker
Well, it makes sense because their journeys intersect so much. Right. And while I still hold the value, the opinion that like she isn't given as much to do with this season. It still hits hard.
00:50:43
Speaker
Yeah, it's and she still feels these things are. And also, like the idea that this is the way that like this spiritualism is handled in this universe. Right. Like because this is a scientific entity that was doing this study that she's talking to on the phone like they have government funding. And and and and this is the same government that we know had a you know a study of scientists and and tried to figure out what the departure. So that's almost speaking like it's good world building where like, OK, well, all the world religious leaders said this wasn't like a religious significant thing. But all the scientists can figure this out.
00:51:20
Speaker
So then the scientists are even circling back around to like, well, maybe it's like demons. Like, is is this demons? I don't know. And then they're now starting to sound as crazy as, you know, the people they've been running from, right? Like, they it seems like the world itself is crumbling apart and falling apart. They can't recognize it anymore. It's, it's again, this idea you can't, like, hold on to this thing and keep it the same. It's just going to crumble away. And then it's also this other idea where it's like the answer itself brings no nor ah satisfaction to Nora, right? For a show that is constantly just replacing answers with more questions, right? This is and a rare instance where we're given some kind of answer where we could be like maybe Asriel is a thing. But the moment that we hear that, it's like Nora's like, fuck you. Get off the – like I'm done. I don't want to – don't have to deal with this shit. right Right, because even in a world where like we said, the season definitely is like, you know, they like there is like otherworldly shit. It just doesn't feel like that that's where it's – like almost feel like that – And we allude to before that, but that whole Patty, ah the the quote where she's telling Kevin of like, okay, so here's, you need to go to this museum and you need to get this chalice. And then like basically giving him like an Indiana Jones quest your come cam of of the show, almost poking fun at like, this is not that kind of thing. Like the, almost like the, like being like, we're creating our own mythos here. Like the, it's like, yeah, yeah, sure. There's a Mormon religion. Yeah.
00:52:49
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. They're like, we'll take elements of different stuff like, oh, maybe Kevin's shoes, but but they're like, if any any authority or institution tries to define this thing specifically or religiously, they're like, they're probably off the mark.
00:53:04
Speaker
Yeah. the the The thing is is that, like, even if they're the answers, you know, if let's say Asriel is the possessed Nora's body, which, you know, hey, maybe would explain why she's so tortured, you know, like, but get him out of there. explanation like That's the only reason she can't move on, really logically speaking, you know, like, uh, But the the idea that like ah that is the version of theology that exists, then there would be some carryover in International Assassin.
00:53:36
Speaker
You know, we would we would meet some form of God. We would understand what kind of sect this is, but we don't get those answers. And the fact that they still remain that opaque from a guy killing himself in the in some shed versus like some scientists who've been working on something for multiple years You dumb scientist should have just drank some poison, you know, fucking idiots.
00:53:59
Speaker
going around with your Ghostbuster tools, wanting to take readings outside of people's house. I like how that one scientist is of all that buildup, he just like kind of barges it like he knocks on the door and he's like wants to confirm whose house it is. And he's like, all right, let start taking readings. Like he doesn't like there's a tactful way you maybe could have gotten permission to like get access and get their cooperation because you want that data. Right. So like you like kind of need their cooperation, but they're just like barging in. I do think that that that's on purpose to a degree because you see him leading up to that point where in his day to day life, he is that same kind of rowdy. Right. and And people just let him be that way. And and if it's Nora who is different in this ah equation. She is the one who is still deeply felt. Right. For whatever reason, he's able to occupy and move through life in this particular way. And it speaks to the dissent to dissentification that people have where they don't feel things as deep. They're like, whatever. Take some readings. I don't give a fuck. You know, like that's probably most people. But her. Nora is like, no, get away.
00:55:05
Speaker
I will hang up on you and I will kick you off my lawn. Like if that she's the
Contrasting Narratives in The Leftovers
00:55:09
Speaker
kind of person of like, if she had a gun, she would have, Oh, I guess she does have ah that one gun, but maybe she got rid of it. But, but like that, she would be like, I'm getting my gun, get off my lawn, you know?
00:55:18
Speaker
And in contrast to who she was in the first season, right? Like she worked for them. She was at that agency, right? And now she's in the position where she's in the exact opposite realm where she's like, no, you know, like being a part of this insurance business, you know, it's not going to be bring people peace. And in fact, she views her ignoring them and having this life with Kevin and raising this new kid. Like that's that's her better now in her mind. Right. But it's like, no, it's she she may be through with the past, but the past is not through with her. Well, just like everyone else in all these arcs we've stated, like they want to just paper over their shit and and be like, no, I'm fine now. Do you see how fine I am Look how fine i am. ah It's like well speaking of that is Evie actually. When Evie is a part of the guilty remnant at the end of the season, right? She is trying to portray strength the entire time. But you see the facade crack so many times.
00:56:15
Speaker
Yeah, especially when her mother shows up. that It's like that they you can't turn yourself off. Like that's not like unless there's like, you know, there's different like the conditions or neurochemical imbalances. But like you most people like you're human. Like that's like part that comes with it. Like that you feel stuff.
00:56:33
Speaker
So like one person who can turn himself off and that's Kevin Garvey. Yeah. Well, he has modes, you know, like like the a doll has different modes on the back. He can be like, ah I'm normal, Kevin, and now I'm badass sleepwalker, Kevin. Get shit done.
00:56:51
Speaker
hes He's like a Nintendo Switch, right, where there's like docked Kevin, where like performance is a bit better, you know, but then there's handheld Kevin where it's like, yeah, you know, it gets the job done, but, you know, not as efficient. You better plug in soon because you're to out battery quick.
00:57:05
Speaker
Yeah. you got to You got charge your Switch, Kevin. That would have been a great tie-in. They should have done that. There should be a Leftovers game. Do it. That's what I'm saying. I like i would love QuickTime events. yeah Oh, yeah. like Like, either go, like, 8-bit platformer, Metroidvania kind of way, or do like, a Telltale game. The era. No, i'm I'm thinking, like, really bad mix between the plus a puzzle game and a platformer in a 3D environment, poly polygons, you know? I want the Lost game, is what I want. I want the Lost game. Hell, yeah.
00:57:45
Speaker
They should... ah No, I was not saying this seriously. I was like, let David Cage, who made Heavy Rain, he let him do. ah
Game Adaptations and Storytelling Risks
00:57:54
Speaker
i it' it Is he I mean, all French people should probably be locked up, but ah is is he, like, still work? Because last game, it was like, oh, he's doing a Star Wars game. Well, this isn't that going to be crazy? like, oh, wow. Not since George Lucas will have Star Wars have been as racist as it has. Like, i'm I can't wait. Yeah.
00:58:15
Speaker
i can't I can't wait to see what creative ways to see ah women undress in really uncomfortable scenarios where we can remove their autonomy and get them undressing.
00:58:28
Speaker
Every single game has that. Why? But the the like David Cage. He's French. That's why. That's the answer. maybe Maybe he's evading the law right now. Maybe that's why we haven't heard from him so much. It's like he's he is not arrested yet, but he's he is running away, but will soon be arrested. Yeah. I mean, we can only hope. ah But anyway. is a God. Yeah.
00:58:53
Speaker
yeah So be it. ah But back back to to leftovers. oh We talked about the the Nora ah Erica conversation because there's this whole thing of like she learns from Joel Murray who works for a DSD like the questionnaire is changed. You know, like at first she hears about the lending thing and then like the uh she's like oh there's like new questions on the questionnaire so she just steals his copy of it i love love kevin watching her do it too like it's just like i mean his back's turned but she's not really being stealthy about it she's just like i need that so i'm just gonna grab it and then she leaves you know like if you want play cool just be like stuff it somewhere and then just like wait till you know shit's over and get back home she's like all right later
00:59:39
Speaker
She doesn't give a fuck. But
Kevin and Nora's Relationship Dynamics
00:59:40
Speaker
it's also because like Nora is kind of unstoppable. Like when when Nora is trying to solve some shit or when she will buy a house for three million dollars to keep going back to that. But she's like, oh, my rental burned down. OK, three million dollars. And I love how the auctioneer is like, ma'am, you're where the bidding is at, like two million. whatever Like you just added another billion to it. Like, yeah, because I can bitch suck my nuts.
01:00:07
Speaker
Yeah. and And if it were anybody else, I wouldn't believe it, but it's Carrie Coon. And I feel like Carrie Coon is like so in command and in control with their performance here. Not like in her character, obviously, but it's like as a performer, like I feel like i buy every decision she makes. I'm like, I i do this with Kevin Garvey and Justin Theroux as well, but it's like you're watching every single little like movement in their face and you're like, that's a bit about their character.
01:00:32
Speaker
That's a bit about their character. And it's only like those two at and Ann Dowd are like at that caliber. where you buy it all even stuff that like on paper makes no sense like Kevin points out like you're handcuffing me to my bed and we're acting like that's normal so but it's like that she wakes up when she wakes up that one day and because he's like couldn fucking kill himself while sleepwalking that he's gone and like oh the way she plays that when she's like she's like calls 911 she's like did did it happen again you know like because that idea has already been put in her mind of like yeah maybe departure number two
01:01:06
Speaker
on the table uh and and the idea has been put into her head that she could be responsible about as well like that her proximity and all that stuff could all be tied into it right right so this guy who was next to her in bed is gone and and it's like holy shit it's happening again Yeah, Kevin comes back all like muddied because he was in a ditch. and And without even asking like what that was, she just, you know, like it embraces him. It's like, oh, thank God. And then go almost like emotion with the same almost body language as, ah
01:01:45
Speaker
that one of my favorites of acting Emma Stone has ever done in Eddington when ah he tries to like hug her when she's leaving. And then she kind of just like goes limp. Like that, like she has that same, of like she hugs him. And then she like almost like an automaton. She's like, all right, back up to bed. She's like, I'm glad you're still here.
01:02:02
Speaker
fucking piss. ah of the like they're They're a toxic couple, but you can tell that they have genuine feelings for each other. And it's not so much their inherent personality flaws that are keeping them from being happy with one another. It's the shit that they're going through and the lack of putting that shit to rest. That's getting in the way of their relationship. And like they're enabling each other at this point, really. It's like they're because they elements.
01:02:28
Speaker
They both have this baggage. And I think they think that just by announcing it to each other, they're like, well, we were honest. That's that's like it's like, well, it's actually that's like step one. You got it. Then they do you have to like do a thing about it, you know, or like change a behavior or do something where they're they're just like, yeah. No, no, no. We you said well a fucked up thing and ah we acknowledged it and now we're normal.
01:02:52
Speaker
So we're just we're good. Like what we know about Nora is like her husband was cheating on her and that totally changes the way that she perceived that entire relationship to the point where she doesn't even mention her husband anymore. She only talks about her kids really when the Departed comes up, right? And for Kevin, it's like everything that had happened with his relationship with Laurie, it's like he didn't see the warning signs at any time. he was just like blindsided that that it was over like that, despite his own plans of leaving. Right. Yeah. like Both of them don't really understand what a real adult relationship looks like, but they like have an idea in their mind of what the appropriate things to do are. And they're going through those motions. they're like, if we just play house, it will be real. Like we have the house. We have a kid. Like this is yeah we did the things. That's the ah list over. Like it is like this. There's no extra steps. You mean like self growth and healing? don't know what the fuck you're talking about. we you You see the house? do We bought it.
01:03:52
Speaker
That cost $3 million. dollars we We proved it, you know. and And it's this idea that like, you know, like ah getting to this house is going to be the thing. Like people always think that there's this time in which you will arrive at comfortability, right? That I just need to do this one thing and then all my problems will be solved. But the problem is like once you get to that point, new problems ah arise and then a new thing is the the thing that you need to overcome, right? and And the ending of the season is like coming to some kind of peace with that, but while still letting the pain linger, you know, ah the idea of the, you know, the the theme song for this season, right? Like but letting the mystery be, you know, that still is the thing that eats up everyone ah
01:04:34
Speaker
They can't let it be, even if they say they've moved on and they're okay. And that's like, just like we've seen with Nora, like we saw it in season one. She gets a hug from Wayne. She's not fine. Like that that like that didn't solve her problem. And in regardless of how together she's putting it in season two, once Erica flips the script on her, when she's reading that questionnaire, she falls apart. Like she's like, cannot...
01:05:00
Speaker
handle that and it's like I mean which understandably it's like brutal to it's the kind of thing that you maybe never will fully get over but you kind of have to like make some kind of peace with that instead of being like no new family I'm good you know like I like I I i did new game plus like I just like I I imported my save file I leveled I maxed up my my strong stronger now Yeah, I maxed out my skill trees. Like, I'm untouchable now. Like, you can't get me. And then all Erica has to do is ask the same questions that she was just being asked. and And then Nora cannot, like, handle I also love the thing of we see her very almost emotionlessly throw the rock through the Murphy's house in the beginning and then just come back in inside like nothing had happened. And then when Kevin brings up why they maybe wouldn't want to go somewhere where the Murphy's are, is like, well...
01:05:56
Speaker
yeah you know, John like kicked your brother out of the town. Are you mad about that? She's like, no, I would we be mad. It's like, well, you're obviously mad. No, like you're throwing rocks through windows. Like you need, she can ignore him.
01:06:09
Speaker
She needs someone to direct it at because it's like, you probably should be more mad at your brother. Cause this is like an unforced thing, but it's like, well, I can't go outside and throw rocks at him. Although he isn't a stockade. That's perfect for being thrown rocks at your motionless. They can't dodge them. So she could do that, but she won't. So she has to blame the Murphys and throw rocks through their house.
01:06:32
Speaker
and And then this loop is closed after the questionnaire thing where after Nora loses her cool and Erica leaves, she throws a stone through her house to get even. At this very moment that Kevin is confessing to seeing Patty, where it's like, oh, shit, we've just crossed a new threshold. Like, what's going to happen to this? It's like, oh, also Erica's right there. Boom. Throws a rock.
01:06:53
Speaker
Yeah. And it's like a ah reminder of their conversation in that moment with with Kevin saying about that about Patty, which is an inciting thing that leads her to abandon, you could argue, right? Well, because like, yeah, it's not the same kind of abandoning that Lori does because it's not like she's joining a cult. She's still in town. But instead of...
01:07:15
Speaker
Because, like, I'm not i like I understand, like you said about the performance, I understand the decision she makes. But the ah the thing of a healthy person would be like, not that it's a woman's responsibility to help a man through like all their their different things, but they at least to have that conversation about like what needs to be done, where instead it's like, oh.
01:07:35
Speaker
I will leave the key there for you. And then I'm going to take the baby and leave without like, you know, like wordlessly. And it's like, it's that kind of avoidance is like,
01:07:47
Speaker
Well, you're avoiding because because it's like, oh, if we if I acknowledge that my boyfriend is seeing a dead woman and talking to her, then that kind of means that a everything's fucked up. Right. Like, cause it's like it's like so so she just needs to like sidestep that. Be like, i not I can't deal with that right now because she even says that when Kevin finally gets a hold or her on the phone, she's like, I don't talk about you seeing Patty Leavitt. Like, it's like I I just can't do that.
01:08:16
Speaker
and And it's similar to Matt in the sense that she's constantly putting herself in the position of like, I need to be the one to fix it. And then it's also like when she is in this position where, you know, ah Kevin's sanity is brought up and it's also throwing into question like the security of Miracle. The whole reason they moved there was for things to get better and now they're getting worse.
01:08:37
Speaker
She thinks that then at that point, the only thing that she needs to do is to go alone, is to race this kid on her own without Kevin and maybe like separate. Right. The idea that like for her, it's like at no point is it about like trying to better conceptualize your current moment and move on. It's just like she's thinking that she is the only major component that can make. She's shes she's she's in survival mode for herself, not the unit as a whole, ah which she and she sees Kevin as a threat to the unit.
01:09:08
Speaker
Right, it's like, oh, he's losing it. All right, I gotta get this baby out of here then. ah me get me and the baby. ah Whereas it's like, she definitely gets along with Jill, but she is totally fine with walking out on her. you know It's like, okay, well, she's she's too ah she's too tied to Kevin, and so guess I'll just take Lily. you know like I'll take Lily and my sister-in-law and I'll get get out of here. ah Which, like yeah, like I said, like I understand it emotionally, but that's not...
01:09:38
Speaker
the That's not like an adult solution to that problem. You're running from the problem. even even if Even if we're in a world where there's no supernatural stuff and your boyfriend is actually like going through a mental health crisis, like that's typically not the best thing to do. That's actually maybe might say the worst thing to do if like gave you just like like leave. who' Like that might that might not be good.
01:10:01
Speaker
ah i I don't even know what made the people depart at this point, but whatever guiding principles uniting everybody who has been left on Earth is that everybody is really bad at decision making now. like and And it's because they have lost the North Star, because they have changed the way that everything is, you know,
01:10:17
Speaker
ah planned out, but it's like this uncertainty that exists within everybody at this point is the cause of their undoing at every turn. And it extends to Nora so much so because like she's unaware of to the extent in which these things are unraveling for her. And and same deal with Kevin, you know, that's why they're the central characters of the show. But it's like, ah you know, that it it's this ah blindness to the thing that's right in front of them. And if they were only to see that one thing, maybe they could find that piece that they're so desperately looking for.
01:10:45
Speaker
I hope they can find it. a I'm rooting for those kids. I mean, no, because I agree that it's like there is toxic component to it, but they do in a certain there's so many moments, especially in season one. But we see the the sparks of here is like they are perfect
Seeking Purpose and Wisdom in The Leftovers
01:10:58
Speaker
for each other. If they could just figure this out like that, they it it's like adds to the tension of it. It's like it's not that they're mismatched. Like, that's not the issue. It's like it's that.
01:11:08
Speaker
ah you think They're almost like too similar. It's like ah that they they just they just need to to figure their their shit out. And ah like she does have that conversation, like you said, that she thinks that she's even as though she doesn't believe in any like she's she herself would say she's a skeptic and doesn't believe in anything spiritual. But she needs to go to Matt, you know, and ask him, is this place real? You know, like that. That's like she's still taking him as an authority on like This place needs to be special and this needs all have been for something because i you know, I uprooted my life and came here and I was supposed to fix it all. Because when she's having that conversation with Jill on the porch, which I love where she's like, you 18 or 17, whatever the age to drink in, you know, Texas would be She's like, ah, 17. She's like, ah, close enough. You know, it gives her some booze.
01:12:00
Speaker
but but But she's saying like that like, so why did he sleepwalking? You think it is like, well, he was, you know, charge of the town. He's chief of police. He was under all that stress. She's like, yeah, but he's not chief anymore. Like kind of like we removed him from that scenario. So he he fine now. Right. You know, it's like and Jill very wide, you know, nor gives her credit is like, well, wherever you go, there you are. where It's like you can't outrun yourself. You can change location. But it's like this is like an internal, you know,
01:12:30
Speaker
Well, it's also there's a ghost attached to him, but, you know, that's also internal. But that's also because he may or may not be Jesus. You know, it's a whole thing. but the Yeah. is ah is ah it's It's in that line that I often think about Buckaroo Banzai, you know, when when I hear that wherever you go, there you are thing. And it's the idea that, like, ah these people, they they can't conceptualize that. But when they do find that, they do find that kind of freedom. ah And, you know, like...
01:13:02
Speaker
Jill, she has no point in this story anymore because she has that kind of answer. She's already gone through that kind of arc. What she went through with the guilty round, and she is already at peace. She's ah she's in Kevin's spot later in the season, at the beginning of the season season, really. And it's why she has no real point and purpose in the show going forward. and And also, it's interesting because it's like even though she's saying these things clear as day to Nora, she's incapable of hearing them.
01:13:28
Speaker
Right. Yeah. ah Because she also has clarity when like she's in the when Laurie comes back around, when Laurie comes to Miracle, like everything Jill says to her, like she is in the right to be frustrated in that way. And it's like very telling where it's like. Even if from her perspective, her dad is losing his shit again and stuff is getting fucked up that she is like, he said to stay here at home. We're going to listen to what dad said, you know, like that, like that. That's I mean, he did save her life. you know So it's like you kind of do give him some grace for like, whatever, you need to go a little loony sometimes. That's fine. But the I like early on that like, you you know, because of the the Patty frustrations when he's breaking stuff and like muttering to himself and, you know, he kind of gets frustrated with Nora and they have that argument. and He punches the wall and...
01:14:21
Speaker
you know, Jill checks in with him and like, you know, like, you, she doesn't say you're fucking this up, but he asked like, am I fucking this up? And she's like, well, not yet, but there's potential. Like, I like, ah she pray like, she's so wise, you know, like you, but like you said, she's already reached that,
01:14:39
Speaker
that piece. I mean, I guess her, her, her drama would just be normal teenage stuff, which isn't as, you know, the show's operating at a different level. So like her, whether her religious boyfriend will or will not fuck her is not as interesting. I mean, it's that, that, that's a good scene. Like I, the, but the part of it that's the most interesting is when she starts yelling to God and to Jesus, because Michael makes the point of like, well, I talked to someone who's not there.
01:15:06
Speaker
ah And, you know, then she starts, you know, like, you know, yelling, yelling yelling to Jesus for for help. And ah ah that that great, great moment by her. But also, she should probably not be that surprised of like, you kind of, i Michael's not hiding how religious he is, you know, like, it's like, ah if you see that that's that guy's deal, you're like, okay, but he'll fuck me, right? like It's like, i'm sorry I'm sorry, I know you can hate your stuff. I know you're Margaret Qualley, but that's it the dude's not going to. I don't know.
01:15:40
Speaker
Yeah. Like, ah I don't know. ah I hate to say this, Doug, but I feel like i'm um I'm burning the midnight oil here. No, we were. scrap we we We're scraping the bear. I like because that's that was like I feel like I just wanted to acknowledge some moments of that that I like there from ah that that performance. But I feel like we've we've covered everyone. Those. I'm going to stop. going to stop recording. the i Oh, no, I forgot about Bing Bong, the most important character.
01:16:10
Speaker
but Bing Bong from Inside Out is in the he's in the hotel. Assassin hotel. Exactly. Yeah. He sacrifices himself for Kevin Garvito. Kevin, you got to get Patty to the well.
01:16:26
Speaker
Push that girl in the well. You got to drown that bitch. He's he's he's ah Richard Burton, actually, right? That's his other name.
01:16:38
Speaker
Yeah. hi Yeah. I'm excited to to keep going with some season. Because for me, it's like the whole show is great, but it's like each season almost is like, wow, they add something. where I'm like, I don't even know how you think of that. So I and yeah,
01:16:56
Speaker
Yeah, I alluded to before, it's like it's a shorter season, but it's like they they get so much in there. It's it's not you we we're not getting shortchanged at all. it's It's a full meal and it's it's just incredible television. i i loving in going on this journey and this rewatch with you. And this is this has been yeah that this this is great. i'm i I'm excited to crack the book on opened open the book of Kevin. I think that's the first episode of season three. guy guy You got to open the book.
01:17:26
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's like the Book of Eli, but it's, you know, less action sequences, a lot more comedy. You know, Gary Oldman is not there. ah Yeah. The the thing about the shorter season length, I'm i'm aware the show kind of had...
01:17:43
Speaker
like a tumultuous time to even get to that third season so i'm i yeah just feel lucky that we that we got because it's not as a deal like they knew that they had to wrap it up here and i and honestly ah like looking back i'm like yeah it's probably good because then maybe they but could have started s spinning their wheel you know like as much as i like lost there's like obviously shit you could trim from that show you know so it's I think having the very concise, I think Lindelof and his team do well when they know they have like a deadline or a finish line where it's like you have this X amount of episodes to reach this point and now go. And I think i think they crushed it from what I remember. And I'm excited to re-experience that.
01:18:27
Speaker
Hell yeah. And I'm excited to just like catch it. And and the idea that like it's it's better for them to have too many ideas and not enough time than have too much time and not enough ideas.
01:18:37
Speaker
Right. So because you can always do another show because, ah you know, you're Damon Lindelof. So it's not. Yeah, like you're going to get more shots at the thing. It's like it's just that this specific show is like I get it. It's it's it's kind of neat. Like it's only gotten more popular. But as it was airing, I wasn't surprised that it was kind of on the bubble of cancellation of like like. Yeah, yeah. It's it's a very specific thing and not everyone's going to want to tune into that. It's also it's not like an elevator pitch kind of thing, even if you can tell like, oh, yeah, yeah, it's like a rapture like thing. But that doesn't really sum up like the vibe or the feel of the show. Like you kind of just have to dip into it and then feel it. Yeah. It's it's definitionally a feel bad, which is a so a hard sell, right? If you're telling someone, hey, you're going to watch the show and you're going to like feel bad the entire time. rough. The characters are go through shit.
01:19:35
Speaker
Yeah. Like no one wants to hear that really. They want to, you know, like to a large degree, people still view television as some kind of escape, right? So it's like seeing another world or exploring an idea that is, ah you know, off-worldly, otherworldly. But but again, this to bring up Rod Sterling again, this is this is all about, like, ah playing with these ideas and bringing them to their, ah you know, logical, from at least its own worldview's conclusion and how it can speak to the larger human condition in the process.
01:20:07
Speaker
And the fact that the show even exists at all, like, that's the miracle. So the fact that, where like, the third season happened... Glad it did, because I want to see how this runs out. I want to see i want to see Richard Burton again, you said. You said Australia. I'm so, I'm i'm chomping at the bit. This is, ah what a what a what a show. ah Yeah, I don't know that I have much more to say. ah yeah all All hail Kevin. yeah he use He's my Lord and Savior. the Jesus Ben Affleck that we both deserve and need ah he he is I don't know Kevin Garvey he is one of my favorite protagonists in television history because the guy like the Messiah thing could be so worn out and it's been done to death by the chosen one i we talked this in the season one it's it's because kevin is such a fuck up
Kevin Garvey's Reluctant Messiah Role
01:21:00
Speaker
and reluctant thing that that it makes it he's just a guy you know it's like if you were ah woke up one day and someone told you like hey by the way your' jesus christ you you're you're like oh like i had stuff to do today it's like i got a kid i got two kids i've i've just got a new kid i got i
01:21:18
Speaker
I got a dog. But he's losing it. My dog is still in the pound. I got to get new wrist. Oh, the dog leaves him too, which is interesting. Like maybe we'll unpack. Cause like, i I feel like I don't even have the tools to unpack what that fully. Cause like I said, the last step season one, I'm like, he is the dog kind of. And so the fact that the dog's domesticated was like symbolizing him. But now the dog left. And that's the same time where he's doubled down on family. So i'm like, Hmm.
01:21:47
Speaker
Well, my idea would be like, so so the the first season is about trying to move forward and not being able to. The second season is about like trying to maintain what already exists, right? In my mind, the only natural conclusion to that would be the world slips, like goes backwards. and And when I see the dog run away, right? In my mind, I don't see that as like Kevin is now like become less worthy of taking care of this dog. I see that as like humans are now on the same level as dogs.
01:22:17
Speaker
that like, you know, humanity itself is now in the downturn. And that's a reflection of that. Because we were already getting to that with the they're not our dogs anymore. And we've so many other things of like the natural order of things has already been disrupted. It's like, yeah, what really made like why is humanity the top of the food chain and the one running the planet? We we decided that. And yeah, we for a while had the means to like a assert that and back that up. But We don't even know what the fuck's going on anymore. So, like, why should anyone else take us seriously?
01:22:49
Speaker
Exactly. And why why would nature look upon us so fondly if it's going to do something like that at a moment's notice, right? At no point are we the chosen in this in that respect. We've now entered into a different realm. So, like, that's the way i I read the dog thing. I think that the dog thing is, like, we've now elevated to that level.
01:23:08
Speaker
ah del ah D elevated, you know, like gone underground. ah And also, i don't think that like Kevin himself has done anything, you know, to not be worthy of having that dog anymore.
01:23:21
Speaker
No, and it did it did it didn't even seem like the dog was it's not like the dog bit him and then ran away. It wasn't like a because it still is like calm as opposed to like its initial feral state. It's it's like definitely been trained out of that. But it's like like you said, it's like like they're kind of equals now. So it's it was all it it was kind of just a neutral, almost like, yeah, I'll see you later. But, you don't know, maybe I'll run into you. You know, like the dog dog did not seem angry at Kevin.
01:23:46
Speaker
Well, you know what that means? This is setting it up for the third season to be even more dog killing. We're bringing it back. We listened to the fans. We're bringing it back from season one, maybe. That's why the show ended. It was like, guys, you got to stop killing so many dogs. And they're like, what, more? You want more dogs?
01:24:06
Speaker
The finale is like Nora takes off a mask and she's been an evil dog. and An evil dog named Asriel. Asriel. ah They do like ah a prosthetic makeup effect where it's where it's Carrie Coon's face, but it's like a dog jaw, right? So it's like she's got like the teeth and everything.
01:24:27
Speaker
Sounds kind of good. raise our children, Cameron. Sounds kind of good, actually. i'd watch that. Stuart Gordon's The Leftovers.
01:24:39
Speaker
Zack Snyder's Harvest Moon, Stuart Gordon's The Leftovers. Make both of those happen. And Larry Cohen's La Boo Boo film.
01:24:50
Speaker
I mean, don't have anything to say in response to that.
Pop Culture Riffs and Speculative Humor
01:24:55
Speaker
I still barely, I know what a La Boo Boo is, but I had the same reaction as like if you ah Liam Neeson's press tour for Naked Gun when they were asking him like, like, I think they're like, would you, uh,
01:25:07
Speaker
Just like, would you bring little boo-boo to a desert island? And he's like, so is it like a doll? Like, he's just like, so doesn't give a shit. And he's like, kind of just like, why are you asking me this? Like, can you ask me about the movie that I'm promoting?
01:25:23
Speaker
Oh, God. Those Lou Boo Boo's were like somewhere between a fashion statement and a Beanie Baby, right? Like it's just something you clip on a thing and it looks kind of cute, whatever, right? you were about to say something between fascism and a Beanie Baby. I'm like, yes, exactly. Inherently so. Lou Boo Boo's are inherently fascist.
01:25:40
Speaker
And you heard it sit on Mike. Boo Boo's fascist. Quote me on it. Quote me on it. I stand by it. God damn it. LaBubu's going to be our next president now.
01:25:53
Speaker
Just announce LaBubu's running in 2028. Hey, if Zoran's with it, then I'm with it. Zoran meeting with Labubu at the White House. Labubu's just like so char- has a big smile. like oh man, this guy is really charming.
01:26:11
Speaker
Zoran's like, we gotta unify under the Labubu structure. It's pretty good for the country. You know what, Zoran's kind of yeah like, not even just in like the way he speaks in an oratorial sense. He has the juice. No, I was gonna say he's got the Obama cadence.
01:26:26
Speaker
He kind of talks like Obama sometimes. I could see it. I hope that if he keeps you know having successful political career, he doesn't you know pull an Obama that way and you know sell out the working class that got him in the power. I mean, that's that's what politicians are supposed to do, but that's another conversation for another The secret is to keep Zoran Bamdani away from drone strikes because the moment that they have the ability to drone strike is the moment that they break bad. And it's like part of your job. They're like, you have to do this. And you're like, I don't want to. and you're like, why did you apply for this job? Dingus.
01:27:04
Speaker
and And then you get so used to hitting the button. you're You're just like, you know what? Actually, you know, hitting the drone buttons actually feels kind of good. You know, that's what happens. That's what happens. Cautionary tale. Zoran Mandani. Don't go down that route.
01:27:17
Speaker
That's what the box was actually about. Yes, yeah actually, you're right. That's exactly what the movie is about. That's why they kicked him out of Hollywood. He was got he was too close to the truth. Tell him the truth. Yep. that's what If he made that Rod Serling film, the Illuminati would have been exposed.
01:27:34
Speaker
they They would have Kubricked him. And by Kubricked him, I meant, I mean, let him finish the movie and then and then shoot him with the heart attack gun. him Havana syndrome.
01:27:49
Speaker
They're devious. You got look out. Yeah, yeah it's it's it's not safe out there. It's a lawless world that we live in now. you got to watch out for the rays. why i wear tinfoil whenever I leave the house. It actually lines my clothing. You can put the tinfoil on the inside so that way nobody knows. They call us crazy, but when the nuclear fallout happens, who's the crazy one? you want my shirt.
01:28:13
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You'll want my shirt when that happens. You'll want my shirt.
01:28:20
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we We are getting loopy. This is that does as good as a place as anything. There's a perfect place to end a leftovers discussion is like the the world's crumbling and so are our minds.
01:28:32
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Where is my mind? Where is my mind? Where is my mind? I hope that like the ah the ending of The Leftovers is the band The Pixies like in ah in a yesterday style, you know, kind of like explains the theme of the story to Justin Theroux. See, I'm remembering specific details. I was like, that maybe that happens. i don't know. it could be on the table.
01:28:58
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You're actually talking to Damon Lindelof. This entire time I knew what was going on, you know. Surprise. Damon, he knows. Sorry, I just had to... Something in my throat.
01:29:08
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No.
01:29:11
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Well, anyway, this has been... These guys got left to... ah so ah Heaps of. Leftovers for days. um Yeah, that's that's all I got. I mean, we'll put our plugs in the the the you know the script. Whatever. You guys fucking know what we're up to. Yeah, come on. You got this far in the podcast. you know are They just listen. They don't even listen to Leftovers season one. They're just like, well, season it was ah season two is when the show actually gets good, so I'll just watch that one. It's like...
01:29:44
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fuck you you don't deserve season two if you didn't like one meanwhile they get to like love boo-boos the larry cohen baboo baboo film i i do i do really like that i I think everything we pitch has been good. Larry Cohen, Labubu, Zach, Zach. Someone should tell Zach Snyder, like drop whatever and m MMA bullshit you're trying to do. Like Harvest Moon. That's Harvest Moon's the key.
01:30:15
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Put down the creatine. Pick up...
01:30:20
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Step away from the creatine. Put the weights down. Move the microplastics from your body. You can still fetishize the male form in his way and harvest... like Like, people farm with shirts off all the time. You know, just get, like, a buff guy who's just like... Make it Henry Cavill. The fans will love it Cavill's back. He's the farmer. be eating out of your palm. You'll be eating out of a trough. The old piggies will excitedly eat it up.
01:30:49
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He's like, you know who else was on a farm and was Henry Cavill? Super. You know, so it's like, oh, it's still he's he can just tease and be like, is it the Snyderverse? I don't know. ah Maybe Jared Leto is like the villain. Like the Joker is the villain in the Harvest Moon movie. I'm losing it, man. This is all gold. We should stop before we give away too much for free. But the point is, ah hire us. We'll write the script because I think you should stay away from screenwriting software, ah Snyder, and also get ah and a DP that is not named Zack Snyder. but that's And that's all I got.
01:31:23
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Yeah. Helpful suggestions. Take it or leave it, Mr. Snyder. But, you know, come on. We're we're industry experts at this point. I just want I just want everyone to succeed. So, you know, that that that's my diagnosis.
01:31:35
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You're being selfless. you're You're doing him a solid. It's very Kevin Garvey of me. I'm going to stop saying like Jesus like and be like, that's so Kevin Garvey of you. Is that Kevin Garvey of you or is that Kevin Harvey of you? hmm.
01:31:48
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We didn't to talk about that. Garvey did. I'm like, can we trust him?