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Pluribus Season 1 - Episodes 6, 7, and 8
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Doug and Nick discuss Pluribus episodes 6,7, and 8, all leading up to this week's season finale! Get with it! Join the hive!
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00:00:20
Speaker
I'm Doug Davenport. I'm Nick Ewers. And we're These Guys Got Juice. And we saw Pluribus episodes 6, 7, and 8. Hello Carol, we're John Cena, and we're here to address some questions you may have regarding our food supply.
00:00:34
Speaker
As you know, we can't purposefully kill, harm, or otherwise interfere with any form of life. That limits what we're able to consume. Because when we say any life, that and includes plant life.
00:00:47
Speaker
We can't harvest wheat or corn or rice. We can't pluck an apple from a tree. Once an apple drops of its own accord, well, we'll eat it, of course, and gratefully. Indeed, we harvest all the the windfall we can find. Plus, there are billions of domesticated animals, cows, chief amongst them that still require milking. And there's pre-existing food, millions of it, that was processed prior to our joining.
00:01:12
Speaker
So far, so good, right? Except one small problem. As of this taping, there 7,348,292,411 of seven billion three hundred forty eight million to two hundred ninety two thousand four hundred and eleven of us That's a lot of mouse to feed.
00:01:25
Speaker
We're facing a caloric deficit, and to make up for it, we've had to take certain measures. This is how we get our sustenance. One half pint of the shelf-stable liquid contains 300 calories, which means that based on a diet of 2,400 calories a day, someone John Cena's size needs eight of these every 24 hours.
00:01:45
Speaker
Larger individuals require more, smaller ones less. What's in it? Well, a lot of things. It's manufactured across the globe, so the recipe changes based on the local availability of ingredients. Mostly, it's those stockpiled foodstuffs we spoke of, particularly ones that are in danger of spoiling.
00:02:01
Speaker
Additionally, each card contains eight to twelve percent of something we call HDP. human derived protein and yep that's pretty much what it sounds like nearly 100 people pass away each day due to natural causes and accidents those human remains which otherwise go to waste are a source of hdp we cherish the memory of those people and appreciate their sacrifice Given our druthers, we would we choose to consume HGP?
00:02:27
Speaker
No. Throughout history, most cultures, though not all, have taken a dim view of ananthrop anthropology. ah Honestly, we're not keen on it ourselves, but we're left with little choice.
00:02:41
Speaker
Rest assured, Carol, you will never have to consume this product, not unless you want to, which we assume is unlikely. We will never serve HDP to you at any form at any time. We will continue to reserve only the freshest, best windfall and stockpiled foods for you.
00:02:56
Speaker
We hope that clears things up. As always, your well-being is of the utmost importance to us. Any comments, concerns, calls at any time, day or night, leave a voicemail.
00:03:07
Speaker
We regret not being able to speak to you directly, but for the time being, we need our space. Bravo, bravo. You nailed that. Wow. i was laughing the whole time because it just kept going on and on. You said you're like, I'll commit to the whole thing. and i did. Bravo.
00:03:27
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yeah I was like running out of breath. i was like, should I stop for a breath and we could just edit it out? I was like, no, I'm just going to brave it. Yeah, he committed listeners. Everything you heard is unedited. It's real.
00:03:40
Speaker
Yeah. he that I felt like you channeled your inner John Cena. I imagined him on the other side of the screen delivering that monologue to me. And then and then I did like the Peacemaker dance. That part you guys can't see, but I did the all the choreography and everything from it.
00:03:58
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to Foxy Shazam was playing. yeah The actual band was there, and they played for me, just like in the show. It all happened. Julian, it's a hungry world. Gonna eat you alive.
00:04:16
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goingnna eat you a lot Oh, great song. Fantastic song. um Pluribus, while their intro is very good, it'll never be able to live up to the Peacemaker season. Why don't they do a whole dancing? Because if every human on earth is part of this, like you think of the choreography choreography you can do in dances. Like they aren't doing Pluribus should be a musical. This is where yeah i'm I'm arriving at this just now. Maybe because we've, We covered a musical on on another podcast on Shout out Morbid Curiosities. ah
00:04:52
Speaker
Look out for that episode. But yeah, Floribus should just be a musical. Yeah, I was just wondering or thinking the same exact thing. like Because we talked about on our Anna and the Apocalypse episode, they should just have the zombies break out into one of the dance numbers or song and dance numbers. And I think I'm arriving at the conclusion that more things... where you're working with like mass quantities of people on screen or something should just take that as an opportunity to break out into a dance number. You already have the people there. Not all you need to do. I'm saying like, it's easy. You just need to learn some choreography. you like with the dance. That's and it's it. That's nothing.
00:05:35
Speaker
You are kind of halfway there with the casting and all of that a lot of the pre-production is already covered you've got the crew hired and ready what's hiring couple more choreographers yeah it's nothing it's easy stop being lazy Yeah, especially on like $15 million dollars budget per episode. Yeah, you guys can you can afford to chill that out.
00:06:01
Speaker
Although we see in this episode, it's actually a good segue because... HDP? Yeah, the the the guy ah the one guy who we both said is a bit much diabetic.
00:06:14
Speaker
It almost sounds like I'm saying diabetes because I don't know how to pronounce his name. James Bond himself. He has been cast as the new James Bond. I'm interested to see where they go with that. I do like that this show can kind of just dip its toe into other genres because of the premise that it can kind of just be like, even if we know that this is a stage thing, they're still filming it.
00:06:37
Speaker
With the intensity of a James Bond poker scene. But my point was like, if I was him, instead of doing James Bond role play, I would maybe just be having them do musical numbers because then yeah they're going to do what I say. So I'm like, okay, guys, you do this and we're going to do these musicals.
00:06:55
Speaker
That's honestly the best idea ever. We should... I mean, I don't know. Maybe they've thought about it, and that's what the finale is going to be. It's going to be revealed. Because there's a lot of characters. We haven't seen what their relationship to the Hive is. Yeah, what are they asking for?
00:07:11
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Maybe they're just setting up setting up musical theater productions with them regularly. That would be great. Put on Wicked for me. You could get the original cast. As far as I know, they're still alive unless they died in the joining, which if they did r i p Yeah, RIP Idina Mazzel. Yeah, Grande. Yeah, just replace her.
00:07:36
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Would you call her Idla Mislani or something? I was trying to do the the John Travolta mispronunciation. like I think he calls her Adele Dezine or something. When?
00:07:48
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It was the Grammys. or something it was some award thing and he like was shouting her out and he just sell says her name is like and and of course Adele does he am I wrong is she an uncut gems yes she's she's Sandler's wife the one who's very reasonably pissed off at for My girlfriend and I were watching that movie and she loves Wicked. She loves the stage musical soundtrack and the movies, even though she wasn't crazy about Wicked for good. But we watched Uncut Gems and she recognized the social media star and we had a whole conversation about her not even thinking about mentioning Wicked Lady.
00:08:33
Speaker
Yeah, she's definitely in it. She's great in it. She's also, I mean, she's like big for lots of, because it's not just Wicked, and she also has like Frozen money, I think. I don't watch the Frozen movies, but I think she... Is she Ilsa?
00:08:46
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She's someone in Frozen. Oh, wow. Good for her. Yeah. Living long. Yeah, yeah. She's Ilsa. However you... Again, I haven't seen Frozen, so i don't I don't know how she says her name, but...
00:09:00
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Yeah, Frozen is one that I, I mean, I think I threw it on one time and just was like, I'm not in the mood. And it's just one that's gotten away from me. I feel like I've watched every other big animated thing.
00:09:12
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I don't want to say that I've outgrown Disney musicals because if they make another good one, if they make one that's on the level of Moana one, and I don't mean just remake Moana, I mean, like, to come up with yeah original songs that are as good as that first one. Yeah, I'll check it out. But like, I don't they're not putting out anything now. It's like calling to me.
00:09:36
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I will say, and we don't have to stay on Disney animation too long if you don't want to, but I caught a glimpse of Zootopia the other day. It was the ending, and I thought, do I do i need to watch Zootopia? This actually looks better than i imagined it being.
00:09:51
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um But aside from that animation, American animation hasn't really been working for me the past over the past couple of years. like To the extent where I'm like, should I just check out China or like go to some random a random country's animated output like because didn't they have like one of the highest grossing like animated movies ever nazi too i think yeah I bought the first one I didn't finish it it seemed kind of cute the concept seems okay I've heard everybody rag on it but people people say you don't need to watch the first some people are like no i just go to two
00:10:26
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Yeah, I'm debating on, like, because I bought the first one, and now I'm thinking, should I just buy the second one and just watch that and not even finish the first one? I've heard the same thing that you were saying.
00:10:39
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um i wonder if Nazi is a part of the hive, little demon Nazi. Yeah, that's so I didn't even realize that's what it was about. It's like like a demon child or something.
00:10:49
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I actually, you know, not to... get us back to pluribus but I know we should avoid talking about pluribus if we can't no but um I did have a thought at one point because we aren't seeing what a lot of these other people are doing across the world what ah What is everybody doing with their religious beliefs? Are they having the hive participate in like religious ceremonies? Are they keeping their faith alive? And what oh is the hives take on religion and just any form of a higher power? i would be interested in that. That would be interesting to see, but I kind of assumed like just based on their dedication to efficiency that they're not going to because I would almost just be like extracurricular activities like they don't do they don't do stuff that's just like for them or for fun, unless it's for the benefit of one of the uninfected people, right? Like everything else is just kind of like work productivity. So, like, ah it's it's almost kind of like the the nightmare version of, like, what what people imagine, like, you know, like, communism to be. Of, like, no, everyone's just a worker and you don't yeah even have ah a life. So, like, also, there's no religion in in in communist society. So, like, if ah we're going with that parallel, like, because, like, yeah, unless it was just to appease, like...
00:12:21
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That one Indian woman, you know like, I you know assume she's, like, Hindu, so, like, maybe they're doing, like, Hindu ceremonies for her and the the family's doing that, but that's only just for appeasement. That's what I meant, like, are but I meant, like, are the, like, other people in the 12, what is their relationship to religion still like, and are they having the hive replicate these religious ceremonies? okay, that's what you meant. Well, I guess they would if they're...
00:12:51
Speaker
I am also curious what the Hive's opinion on religion would be. what this like If you ask them what they thought about it, what would their answer be having all of these people and like their experiences and their thoughts in this hard drive?
00:13:06
Speaker
Would they just say, it's all bullshit or something? Well, what is, I i mean, I've never tried it, but what does chat GPT say if you ask it ah about God? Like, like, it does it have an opinion on stuff like that? i'd be like, whatever your God is, is correct. Is great. Yeah. Whatever you, but what do you believe? would just flip it on you. you know, like, yeah yeah, that's, that's what I think is correct.
00:13:31
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. i mean, I'm sure people have asked and it just spews out some type of bullshit. i What if it's like, I am God? Yeah, I can't imagine it would be something intelligent or worth sharing with the world. um You like actually get a profound answer. you're like, well, I ain't about that.
00:13:53
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um this h ah This HDP episode, though, I thought it was pretty good. For some reason, ah so much time has passed, it feels like we've talked about it already. But this is one of the more, and say, like deeply sad episodes of the show. But also, if I'm...
00:14:12
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remembering correctly, this is one where we really get a good amount of Minusos for the like the first time. We spend, I think, like what, 15, 20 minutes maybe in the back half of the episode with him? I think we get more of him in the next episode. At the end of this one, is he like starts his journey. like We see him get the tape from He's like,
00:14:38
Speaker
you know he's like oh ah other you know i i like he was already like taking note of her before from that phone call but then I think him seeing the tape is almost just like okay so there is something to be done about this and then he's just like grab some shit and gets in his car and the moment just the way they light when like because you don't even know who it is at first like a woman approaches him when he's like getting in his car and it's his mom and it being like Oh, ah you know, like you don't have to.
00:15:09
Speaker
I forget what she says, but basically like I think trying to talk him out of it, but like with the cheerful demeanor of everyone and in the hive. And then he's like, you're not my mom. My mom's a bitch. but Yeah. that he leaves that was a great line to end the episode on my girlfriend wasn't really caught up at that point but i right when that episode ended i turned to her and just explained to her the that moment and how great it was and i was like yeah you don't understand Because it's also interesting from like a philosophical standpoint, because it's almost as like, yeah, proving that you aren't yourself in the. What if someone is fundamentally a miserable, bad person, be but but you have to be pleasant when you're part of the hive. Like they can only be cheerful and pleasant. So that overrides. If that's like a core part of your personality is just being like nasty and hateful, that's gone. So they've like erased who you were person. a person.
00:16:11
Speaker
Yeah, so I mean, it's just basically like you're not even that the same person anymore. And it does make me kind of wonder, like, How much of you is lost? if If we do see some kind of unjoining, either this season or next season, ah how much of Hive personality do you retain? and do you like come back yeah Will something to save? Or like will be kind of like I'm thinking about spoilers for the end of weapons, but there's the narration where it's like, oh, some months later, one of the kids finally started talking again. Like, like there's just like almost like some permanent damage from being in that trance that like the kids are like not going to be ever the same again.
00:16:59
Speaker
I ah had an idea, like and this isn't spoiling any of the episodes going forward, even though guys like get caught up. What are you doing? Yeah, finales this week, get caught up. Yeah, ah dropping early, too, Christmas Eve. but Can't wait.
00:17:14
Speaker
um I was imagining, like what if either this season or next season we see them ah unjoin somebody, and after they enjoin somebody, this person is like,
00:17:27
Speaker
no, I want to go back. I want to be a part of the hive. Why did you do this? It's like withdrawal, you know, like, Oh, I need it. I need i need to go back. Or if like they like, Oh, and like, what if they like, or I was imagining almost like, what if they slip into like some type of like depression and they're like, I want to be, I miss being in the hive and people actually don't like the unjoining of it all. Like maybe it's not even physically harmful to them Which even though it looks like it would be, joining looked incredibly uncomfortable to say the least.
00:18:03
Speaker
ah I imagine we're going to get maybe a worse ah process. i I think it's going to be very interesting, but I wonder if people are going to just want to rejoin, if unjoined people are going to want to be back into the hive.
00:18:20
Speaker
That's interesting. And I think that may may be something we see, but especially in context of what we learn in this episode, that people would still want to be part of it, knowing that all the restriction, like it's not even a sustainable way of life. They say within 10 years, they're going to run out of food.
00:18:38
Speaker
And it's like, oh, there is no long term sustainability plan in place, but you would still just belonging to that whole would maybe feel so comforting. And like because we see the flip side of Carol, who is 100 percent independent or like a thousand percent on her own because she's not even a part of the group text of the other survivors. She finds out that they're like, you know, like having Zoom chats without her and. trying to figure out a way to save the hive like like she she is completely alone and that doesn't feel good so it's like if the i the flip of that is like you get to actually permanently feel like you belong to a hole that probably does feel good right
00:19:25
Speaker
Yeah, i I would assume so. I don't i don't know. i and One of the things i am very interested in getting into is what does it feel like to be a part of the hive? and Like, is it just constant euphoria? Because they're all...
00:19:41
Speaker
ah the them all being happy and cheerful doesn't seem like it's for like yes they're overriding whatever personality was there but you don't see the strain on like someone's face of them being like oh hate having to fake this happiness so it's like they're just in that state of bliss kind of so i'm like it is it like a drug Yeah, like... It doesn't seem like it is... The person is trapped down there somewhere and they have to get them out. It almost... It's very interesting. i
00:20:19
Speaker
ah you know I do kind of struggle with this type of thing in movies and television, like vampires and zombies, things where it's like, well, is it the person still? Is it a reanimated corpse? Is it a new like soulless creature? What is going on here? And for some reason, like I don't know if it's just the way the show doles out information and how you get to just live in this world and live with these people in ways you don't really get to live with creatures like zombies and vampires. But I like the pluribus hive mind thing really like as a concept works for me. And I feel like as each episode goes on, I'm getting more and more into their head and their psychology. And I'm, I'm really eating it up each episode. Yeah.
00:21:13
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. It's just like so fascinating conceptually and philosophically. of philosophically Yeah, and like you get those ideas in other things that you mentioned, but by nature of like most of those things are like in movies, and I feel like you can't only go so deep. I mean, I feel like some things like sinners, I feel like tried to scratch at the idea of like, oh, they are part of a collective hive mind when they get turned to a vampire, but it's not.
00:21:40
Speaker
they don't have a full season or more to like go into the logistics of like, okay, what does that mean? You know, like, cause they have the plot that they have to get to in this, in this, I, I like the luxury of us being able to take time and dole out this stuff in pieces. Like I, I, you know, still see complaints of people being like, yeah, the pacing of this, I don't know. This is like, you know, like, oh, Carol's learning things at such slow a pace.
00:22:07
Speaker
slowly apace uh and i'm like no i like would if this was a faster paced show i don't know that it would hit the same and that we would be able to have the same kind of like conversations about like consciousness and like what does it mean that yeah you know that they're part of the whole because you you just get to sit with the idea more because it's not being like all right another thing's happening like if it was like breaking but breaking bad where like somebody some crazy shit's happening like constantly then you don't really have time i mean i love breaking bad but it's also like that show isn't exploring the same kind of themes like like huge heady ideas that poor of us is doing
00:22:52
Speaker
Yeah, Pluribus is actually bleeding into my watching of other things. Like over on Morbid Curiosities, we just covered the Wreck movies. And without getting too much into spoilers with that... That's something that kind of, without saying it, is getting into the concept of a hive mind type of thing. Now, it's dealing with that in the form of demonic possession. And one of the movies really deals with it. And then the rest of them kind of just don't feel like they want to deal with it, even though it was such a cool concept that I was really on board with. And I think that was Pluribus feeling me being on board with it.
00:23:34
Speaker
But watching those rec movies, even though they didn't care about the hive mind, I'm, I've got pluribus in my mind and applying, I'm applying that hive mind logic to the rec movies as I'm watching it And I feel like there's a couple other movies or like one or two other things where I've,
00:23:53
Speaker
had that same experience but I definitely agree with you the pacing is not even a thing that crosses my mind I am excited to watch each episode as it comes on and like I just love living with this I feel like I you know I've talked about this on other podcasts I can be generous to movies and tv shows and if Sometimes I really just like the experience and the novelty of having something I'm watching week to week because of how infrequently a show does really stick with me. So maybe take what I say with a grain of salt, but...
00:24:31
Speaker
I just, the pacing is not an issue. I love just spending time with the show and I would watch two hours of the show with this pacing every week. Absolutely. know Like it it leaves me wanting more, even with it's like, it it's not in any rush, but it doesn't feel slow because I do feel like we do get things every episode. Like in this episode, we get immediate answers to the mystery from the end of last episode and we had speculated of like oh would it be boring if it was bodies because that's like the most predictable thing but because the show is so clever it inverts the expect it takes the expected and like inverts it because it because it because it's like taking these concepts to the extreme of like okay it's bodies yeah but
00:25:22
Speaker
they're using them because they have no other source of like sustenance. Like, and then like, like taking that idea of like, Oh, so they don't have a plan for like what to do beyond this of like how, what they're doing for food. They can't even pick apples off a tree, which is crazy.
00:25:39
Speaker
Yeah, and and then it being bodies too, without going into the next two episodes, um they do take that information and kind of like bring it up a couple times more in the future. And the more you think about it, the more it sits with you, the more upsetting it kind of gets. You look at the hive and you're like, oh yeah, they're they're cannibals in a way. This is... So it's not like the show just makes the reveal be something ah as kind of obvious, I'd say, as dead bodies and just does nothing with it.
00:26:20
Speaker
I feel like... As it lingers with you, it increasingly gets a little bit more upsetting. We'll talk about it more as we get into the future episodes. we'll We'll get to it because I feel like the casual nature in which they explain they make a tutorial video with John Cena to explain it to her. like like They're trying to like dress it up in like a way. way and and But it's like you can't hide... how like You're making it more disturbing almost by like trying to... like ah rationalize it and be casual about it like yeah we we have to though and it's like well if that's what's required for you guys to exist then maybe you shouldn't exist like i don't know yeah and again they like drive that point home a bit more ah in later episodes i
00:27:13
Speaker
um I don't know if I mentioned this i already about episode six. I apologize if I did, but this is like the loneliest feeling episode in the season. i Did I say that already? Yeah, I think you did. i mean, I feel like that continues a little into the the next episode, too. But like this is... This is like kind of the low, like the basement for Carol um emotionally, because like just that moment where she goes into the bathroom to cry, like or it's like she didn't even really like this guy, you know, like the the James Bond himself. But like.
00:27:51
Speaker
learning that the other survivors have like you know are you know socializing and basically have like a little mini community outside of her that she's been reject she's been already rejected by the hive and now the remaining humans also want nothing to do with her and like we see how she further takes that isolation in the the next episode but it's like yeah that doesn't feel good it doesn't feel good to be excluded from shit even if it's like people you didn't particularly care for i mean yeah it's like well what's wrong with me why didn't they want to invite me i i could relate to that feeling pretty hard where a group of people who i maybe be didn't care to hang out with i don't get the invite to their thing and i start to think like wait
00:28:37
Speaker
They didn't want to invite me. Well, what's what's the issue with me? And right. And some reflection happens. And, you know, it's very frustrating feeling. And then when she also is like, so I'm going to find a suite here and maybe we can hang out.
00:28:54
Speaker
And this guy looks physically uncomfortable at the idea of that. and she immediately goes, on i'm kidding. but you can she was see she won she's lonely. I mean, she has no one. The hive left her. So like I think she did want to hang out for a little bit. even if like you know This guy doesn't seem that chill or fun to hang out with, but it's someone. you know And he sees that she's lonely, and I like that he does sympathize with her, but is also thinking, I've got my own thing going, and Carol really doesn't fit into this thing I've got going on.
00:29:30
Speaker
But I was really charmed by him making his sandwich the way that she makes it. He's watching it just the way that actor plays that of like watching her put the avocado and all the like the egg and everything on and then he does it and then he kind of waits for her to take the bite to take the bite. i mean,
00:29:50
Speaker
That's a beautiful moment that I feel like another show that quote unquote is like faster paced, just like wouldn't include. But I'm like, that's why the show is great is that we get those moments because that's also, that's humanity. That's like what she's fighting for is like that because like, there's no, that kind of curiosity about like, Oh, what is that? Like, you know, that thing you're trying there's no need for that if you're all hooked up to the same, you know, like you know, are everyone will know the same stuff. They've tried it already. Yeah. So you know what that tastes like.
00:30:25
Speaker
Even if not every physical person has tried it, they have the information of what trying that was like and where they tried it at and who made it. Yeah.
00:30:38
Speaker
I, uh, but also what's revealed in this episode too, is that, um, They can convert people. ah yeah They figured that out. through stem cells, but they can only do it with consent because it involves a needle injection, which is very invasive or intrusive or something. Right. So they need your permission to do it. And she immediately is like, you do not have my permission. so it's interesting that even at her loneliest moment, lowest moment here, that she's still like, I will not be part of this. Like, cause like other people could maybe be like that isolation feeling of like, Oh, I really do want belong to something then. But she's like, no, fuck you guys. I will not. ah You do not have my consent.
00:31:23
Speaker
But it's interesting that the wording when they repeat it back to her on the the board is like, we won't take your stems. They don't say we won't convert you. They just say we won't take your stem cells or something. We won't harvest your stem cells. So I'm I'm like, It says, we won't take any stem cells from you, Carol, or something like that. That almost feels like some kind of lawyer speak of like, okay, well, we we just said we wouldn't take your stem cell, but they you know like if they already like happened upon some cells somewhere else and like had access to that, then they'd be like, well, we did we didn't harvest them. We just we just found this.
00:32:06
Speaker
Yeah, I do wonder what they're going to do with all of this. Things haven't really been landing where, you know... we necessarily think they've been landing, even though as we get into it, I have like, oddly enough, been guessing small little details behind the hive. Uh, we'll get into it in the last episode, but the overall bigger picture is something that I think the show is just operating on a ah level that we haven't really seen in television or this type of alien story before.
00:32:44
Speaker
He's just got so much up his sleeve that you can tell that they're not sure. Like, we're already so fascinated and compelled by, like this is, like, just one layer. Like, this is, like, like a fucking onion or something. And it's, like, hasn't even peeled back to even show us what else is inside this thing. So, like, it's, like, i' but if I'm already into this into it on the outer layer, like, oh, man, I can't can't wait to see what what what what he... where he's going with it. But yeah, I agree. Well, like we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll go into like some of the, like the smaller things where it's like, yeah, I could have guessed that. But like in terms of big picture, it's like, I don't, I don't know where, where it's going.
00:33:27
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Neither do I. Um, what's it called? I would say having seen the first eight episodes so far, six, maybe like I don't know the least exciting of the episodes, but you know, I don't really have any complaints about it.
00:33:48
Speaker
um i don't have any complaints. It's like cool to see like a deserted Vegas. We get information that's important. And I think there's just good character moments with Carol and just the idea that like when they know she's coming,
00:34:03
Speaker
They vacate, you know, because they're still keeping their distance from her. So it's like he has all these like ladies in the hot tub with them and they all get up. They're like, you got company coming, but they're not going to stay. You know, like if they were still on good terms with Carol, they would stay like around and be like be catering to their needs. But they're like, ah, fuck, Carol's coming. So they just leave.
00:34:25
Speaker
Yeah, they're all afraid of her. Mm hmm. Which is like, oh, well, she's on to something then. if they're If they're that worried, I'm like, that damn, she did come close to something when she drugged Zosha then, if if they're like that concerned. At the very least, she is a danger to their survival, because that's what they're most concerned about is survival, so...
00:34:48
Speaker
Yeah. Carol's doing something right. But the next episode is The Gap. I think this might be my favorite episode. ah Just it looks incredible. Like i don't all the the show looks good. The money's on the screen for all of it. But it it it almost feels like travel porn because like you're we're seeing like we're cutting between uh you know like munusos's journey from from paraguay uh to carol and like you get these vista like like the like landscape he's driving across looks so good but then you know even when we're in carol around like just enjoying like
00:35:29
Speaker
the benefits of being able to go anywhere it's almost just kind of like some you know end of the world like fantasy like what would you do if you could go anywhere do anything like okay i'm gonna go to this museum and and take a fucking georgia o'keefe painting or like just hitting golf balls and into the side of buildings but it looks the way it's shot just like it fucking looks beautiful It does. Yeah. And so I've been hearing people review the show and talk about Carol as if like she's an alcoholic.
00:36:06
Speaker
i She just strikes me as someone who pours a drink in order to relax. ah But I'm not like getting the idea that she's walking around fucking slothed the whole time or something. I don't i don't get that vibe either. like There's maybe the indication that she could have been in the past. mean, she does have like the breath thing on her car. that...
00:36:28
Speaker
I was thinking about that. That wasn't Helen's car. And because Helen, was she just not drinking alcohol for Carol so she could drive for Carol? Or was that Helen's car? Because Helen was the one who wasn't drinking alcohol in that first episode. So I never knew what to make of it. You can you could take it either way because I don't think they've like you clarified it or like, you know,
00:36:55
Speaker
given us a definitive answer but yeah I kind of felt like that it was she was just not drinking to be the designated driver but we don't know for sure so there's a possibility that she has a DUI or something in the past but That also doesn't mean that she is currently an alcoholic. I mean, she has a DOI, but still casually drinks. I mean, like she doesn't she doesn't seem like sloppy or I mean, other than when she drugged herself with like that true syrup stuff that she got sloppy then. Like, but that seems like some heavy drugs there. But otherwise she seems all right.
00:37:34
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not getting like ah alcoholic vibes from her too much. Just someone who likes to pour herself a lot to drink to unwind. And and you know what? She's got less people around. She has less people around. And she I would say you have some reasons to drink. If the world's ended, you can pour yourself a drink or two. I i approve it. So shut up, people who are judging Carol's. Let her live her life.
00:38:00
Speaker
But Minusos is really the the main focus of this episode, if I'm remembering correctly. he he is making the most progress. Because like Carol is just kind of like fucking around. and And then we cut to Minusos, who's like just on of on a mission. So like yeah, he's trekking. And I googled while I was watching this. I was like,
00:38:22
Speaker
can you drive from South America to New Mexico? Because I was like curious of like, he's he's getting pretty far. yeah like We're doing the thing where travel by map and we show his progress as he's like making his way north. But like, there's like...
00:38:36
Speaker
is there like a body of water or like, ah is there a landmass that connects directly to ah you know, America? and And then we do get the answer of that is like, it's not trapped. You can't traverse it by car, but there's a thing called the Darien gap. And it's like, ah you you have to do it on foot. And it's like, yeah, there is like some water there, but you can, you know, it's shallow enough that you can walk around.
00:39:03
Speaker
through it but it's like you're basically like in a it's like jungle like terrain and it's like dangerous and they're and they warn him they're like don't do this we we can fucking just like like get you a helicopter like we can just take you to care you're going to kill right let's just take you there and he's such a badass like the fact that he just like takes his remaining gas puts it on his car because they're offering to ferry his car over there too they're like oh we can we know the car is so important to you just wordlessly he's just like oh this car lights it on fire i'm like fucking medusas hell yeah Yeah. And then he says, he tells them that nothing in this world is theirs. Nothing belongs to them. he almost views them as people who have come here. It's just like they're invaders. Like that's why he's property.
00:39:55
Speaker
Yeah. This property isn't yours. Whatever you're like, the food that you're cooking and bringing me is food that somebody else made. It's somebody else's livestock. You know, somebody's going to lose money or their livelihood on this property.
00:40:10
Speaker
I don't know if having these traits are are fully a good or a bad thing. I feel like they might it come up as negative in the future. But yeah, he um doesn't.
00:40:25
Speaker
He's like not willing to take any help from these guys like to his detriment. But there is a point where they do step in and ah they have to help him. Well, he would have died probably otherwise because like, yeah. He was doing the best he could, ah but that injury he sustained would probably have not been good if they didn't, like, you know, like, evac him to to a hospital. But but two your point. Yeah, when he falls on those spikes, I was like, oh, my God.
00:40:53
Speaker
I like felt that. It was like visceral. yeah oh fuck and it's like so like oh It's the last thing you wanted to happen and that fucking happened. He seemed to be doing alright until then. I was like, ah this gap isn't that hard. and Then he just takes one wrong step. i mean He shouldn't have stepped on that rock. He should just walked around the rock. i That's what I would have done. Why would you purposely step on that rock? I don't get it Manusos, you idiot.
00:41:24
Speaker
Yeah, it just, after that happens, it's like... bra ba but banon and ne ban and burn that and ah Man, Larry David's part of the hive. That's crazy to imagine.
00:41:37
Speaker
yeah i have a feeling he was one of the ones who died. but yeah he like like Everyone's getting converted, and he just has his arms crossed. He's like, nah, I don't think so. He was the man from Paraguay the whole time. um We didn't mention, too, in the last episode, he did discover... It's kind of in touch, and there's a radio signal he keeps...
00:42:00
Speaker
ah going back he's trying every frequency and and we see in his notes that it's mostly nothing because yeah they're not broadcasting anything but there's one frequency that there's like some kind of like hum or signal or something and he you can tell he's been to this frequency before because there's already a question mark next to it in his book so he just writes another question mark it's like what is that Yeah, i ah I will say watching this episode because we're watching Minusos go on this whole journey to get to Carol. And at the very end, Carol ends up getting reconnected with Xosha. She paints comeback in her like little cul-de-sac that she lives It feels like she's giving up right as Minusos is like doing all this effort to get to her. Yeah.
00:42:54
Speaker
And I'm like, how awkward is this going to be? Awkward. You know, you get this guy to relocate for you. And, you know, you're dating a woman at this point. You know, that's just how modern dating goes at this point.
00:43:10
Speaker
yeah You just you just you never get get the timing right. But it they do it well because, like, yeah, we see her trying to, like, kind of enjoy the solitude and stuff.
00:43:22
Speaker
But once it gets to the point, I didn't even like clock right away what she was doing with the fireworks. But then when you get to the side shot of it, like pointing right at her head, I was like, oh, she's trying to kill herself. Fuck. Well, that was an accident because it accidentally tipped over.
00:43:40
Speaker
it and it tips and hits the like house behind her, but she was sitting in front of it, like in fully ah intending to get hit by it. Right. Yeah, it was just kind of like one of those, it tips over and she's like, I'll let it kill me if it if it kills me. But she didn't like set them up with the hopes of dying via firework.
00:44:00
Speaker
Right, it kind just lined itself up and she was like, i I mean, what what what what am i still living for and at this point? So it's like, know, let's just sit here. But she did yeah, doesn't doesn't kill her. It just just go fires behind her.
00:44:15
Speaker
Yeah. Um, gotta say fireworks aren't really my thing. Didn't understand the appeal, but maybe if the world ended, I would start engaging with fireworks. That, that is a thought.
00:44:29
Speaker
I would honestly, maybe this is going to sound demented. I would just like, I would fuck with explosives, like full, full on. I'd like, like, i Like incendiaries. Just practice demolishing buildings because I'm like, no one's in them. So like I can just like find out like how easy it is to all be like, all right, if I put some explosives here and then hit the detonator, well, that can... I'll try to recreate the the Dark Knight. I'll just be the Joker outside a hospital, be like with with the detonator, playing with it and and trying and trying to get it does explosions to go off. But, you know, it'll be harm free. that I'll be doing on buildings where there aren't people.
00:45:12
Speaker
I would probably start a movie studio and, ah you know, get the best writers team and just bounce ideas and have them like just I'll dictate the ideas and they come up with the script and have it be perfect. And then. Just do the perfect casting. I go wherever I want to shoot it and just make all the perfect movies. Can they still be creative with this melding, with this joining? Because even if you have, even if you have Vince Gilligan and like all the best writers that you bring them, you ask them to bring, bring them to you. Will they still have that same ingenuity?
00:45:53
Speaker
like because they're not really them anymore are they you know like ah that that's a quite we haven't seen them try to be creative um At the very least, I would use them just so I didn't have to worry about the typing and the formatting and they can figure out, like, the flowery language, you know, maybe helping me with dialogue a little bit. mean, they can still do the technical stuff. He was like, yeah, you know how to do the shot and stuff. You got Aaron Sorkin up there, right? He survived.
00:46:25
Speaker
ah ah Get him in the room. you know Let's see what his memories have going. He's a language guy. He has a master class. That would be the test of how human they still are. Because what if you get Sorkin and then he's not writing a walking and talking scene? like There's not a scene where people are like having a long conversation down a hallway in a continuous shot. I'd be like, who the fuck are you? you Yeah. We're going to do the trial of the Chicago Yeah.
00:46:54
Speaker
ah
00:46:55
Speaker
We're going to finally attempt to jerry This time, Jeremy Strong plays multiple characters. He's all seven. Still on trial. Still on trial.
00:47:07
Speaker
That's been our Pluribus episode. reveals Five stars.
00:47:14
Speaker
um so i Going back to Minuso's, the thing you were talking about that he would like refuse... like the way he views ownership right they're like all this stuff belongs to someone and it's not them like it's all it's like the very opposite of the hivers like no one owns anything and he's like to the point where we see him leaving notes at the like you know storage facility when he breaks into the lockers where he's like these that belong to someone so i need to write a note And then the next episode, i when he wakes up in the hospital, he wants to know, what is my bill? Like, what is the cost of my stay here? He's like, this all costs something.
00:47:58
Speaker
It's like, it's like if they're if they represent some kind of nightmarish like communism, then he's like almost like an ultra capitalist or something, where he's like, no, ownership matters.
00:48:09
Speaker
property. and Well, he's probably from a place, but he does manage a storage unit facility, so he values and people owning things and having a place to put those things. Maybe it's just that he, and maybe maybe not even necessarily the country he comes from, but the class that he was in within that country.
00:48:34
Speaker
um Maybe he just didn't have a lot of property and wasn't a person that was able to have a lot of ownership over things. So he just really values it. And when he sees that everybody now has nothing or everything. It's like cheating. It's like you guys cut. Like I had to work to get what I have. And now you guys are just like fucking breaking the whole thing. Like, you yeah, you see that. And even even here, when someone climbs the class ladder where it's like they're going to cling even harder to like what they have done.
00:49:10
Speaker
amassed um almost more so than someone who was like born into wealth because or or some kind of like comfort because it's like oh yeah they had to work to get this yeah and he's like ah he doesn't know really anything about what's going on and it seems as if he believes these people are going to come back and hey they're gonna miss their stuff they they value their stuff too this does isn't yours to really give out Yeah, he's the most like, because like Carol is in some weird, like not antagonist, like she's basically in an on again, off again relationship with the Hive. And then he is basically living out the I am legend scenario, but almost like the I am legend book where he's just like, I do not even view
00:50:03
Speaker
these things as like they just need to be dealt with and getting gotten rid of and like not even realizing like oh is there like any intelligence or actual life to these things because he like has a knife to what it like once as soon as he wakes up from surgery he's like grabs a scalpel and like takes one hostage like i just love how no nonsense he is he's just like yeah i'll fucking stab this guy I feel like there's at least been one point in the past three episodes where I've thought, oh my God, we're finally going to see what happens when one of these people is killed. Yeah. Or somebody attempts to kill one, how they react.
00:50:42
Speaker
But we don't fully get there. Minusos is flirting with the idea. um really could definitely be pushed there. I think he could. I think he could. Before we close the full door on the gap, and I'm perfectly fine with moving on to the next one, I do want to say when Carol and Zosa reconnect at the end, I almost got pretty emotional. i really It was good to see her back. She has a great presence. That actress is great. And they have good chemistry.
00:51:14
Speaker
They do. And I was so happy for Carol. I was happy as an audience member to see her back on screen. And I was happy for Carol that she it got somebody to connect with. Like she there was something she wanted that would bring her some type of happiness. And she got to the point where she was able to ask for it.
00:51:36
Speaker
Right, which is like a kind of, if that had been the season finale, like that is an arc, a character arc of her like coming to, like it's not even fully accepting the Hive, it's just her being able to admit that she needs something.
00:51:53
Speaker
uh you know from them and that like she needs that that companionship or or something you know like like that she cannot be alone and like i don't blame her like that would suck yeah kiss by yourself because prior to that in this episode she was almost just antagonistically asking ah Almost just like she was being an aggressor while she was asking the hive for things. I wanted it perfectly frozen, blah, blah, blah. lukewarm, you know, so get it right. neck Try harder or something, she says. Like she's being kind of bitchy about Yeah, being a total asshole right now. But she does eventually come back around. And we should say one last thing about the episode. ah We jumped to 48 days. I think we also, there's a pretty big time jump, like two to three weeks we jump ahead.
00:52:46
Speaker
so Yeah, yeah. So it's going to be interesting to to see, because that also means that Minusos has been out for well we don't because I don't know that every time we cut back to him it's at the same because like they've they've wand back the clock sometimes when we go to Minusos to show that this was happening a little bit ago but when he wakes up in the hospital are we to believe that that is at this the 48 days later like this is happening the same time as the other Carol stuff that episode.
00:53:18
Speaker
I think at the very least, we know that he's arriving in New Mexico at on day 60, think it was. yeah because that's the end of the episode when they say, like, you have a visitor coming.
00:53:32
Speaker
Yeah, at the very least, that's where their journey lines up. he's all He leaves like day nine or something when he gets her messages. Maybe it's day 12. And he travels all the way until day 60 where they connect and they both have their own separate journeys. um I was kind of watching it later.
00:53:56
Speaker
As if like the time is going to be crucial, but I think that day 60 is the most important thing to line up right there. Because that that that's when that they're actually going to cross paths and sync up. but And Zosia's there too. I think that's a big factor too. Oh, it's good to <unk> going to be... Is she going to be there? What is her relationship with the Hive going to be when Minusos gets there? And right now, as far as we know, Zosia's going to be there unless she dips out.
00:54:26
Speaker
because also when we jump to the 60 in this, like, I mean, we we can, we can just get right to it. I mean, Carol and Zosia, they, they're fucking shacking up. I mean, which, you know, you could, you could see, kind of i mean, we've said there's a chemistry there. And then when she was all whacked out on, on those drugs, she was like, ah, why did the maker so fuckable? So it's like, yeah, This is wasn't like impossible to to see coming, that and especially coming off of her being so alone and and isolated. and i mean she
00:55:03
Speaker
has you know She's been without her partner or her life partner for like so long now at this this point. And now here's this part like really the only person that she's connected with in in the aftermath of this. and like The scenes they have together are legitimately cute. like They're like...
00:55:19
Speaker
they're cute together when they're, when they're like playing those, those games. And she's like, are you just like ah losing on purpose or do you suck at this? And then the, the fact that when Zosia kind of retorts, like she kind of has a like more personality than you would expect from,
00:55:35
Speaker
the you like oh the hive might just flattened you out and then you're not really a person anymore but she kind of has a personality like so i'm like is that all performative for carol's benefit to to keep her complacent or is that like the real xosha that's like coming through I felt like part of it was performative. I was really playing that game of what what am I seeing here? Performance or actual Zosia? I think the whole time it's it's a di Hive performance leading up to when they're playing spit.
00:56:12
Speaker
There is a moment where Zosia actually wins and she has a quick reaction, a smile and a laugh. And part of me was like, that feels like... That felt human.
00:56:23
Speaker
That felt human. That felt like the hive having a collective reaction of excitement. I'm trying to watch this whole thing as this is the hive this whole time. There is just no separation, no individuality with Zosia. Which is what I think it is. but But she is... Carol's definitely being lulled into, like, no, Zosia and I have a separate relationship. Because... we see that she still has her, you know, dry erase board of like, she's still trying to figure out how to undo this, but all the same time, like, yes, she's getting information from Zosia, but she is getting closer to her at the same time. And she confides in Zosia. So I think to her that like Zosia is separate from everyone else. when when But we know of like, oh, how could that yeah be? Like she she's linked up to everyone.
00:57:19
Speaker
Yeah, ah Carol deep down knows that that board is serving as that reminder of this. I have a mission. i I need this human contact or this simulation of human contact, but I'm on a mission to bring, make something right, do something with all of this. Like this, this is unnatural and I need to fix it. But I do. I've been showing my time with Zosia. So like I like it's it's like the conflict, inner conflict of that is interesting, especially now. Character growth to like yeah alongside that is great to see. This was one of the most refreshing episodes of the show, I think.
00:58:05
Speaker
I legitimately like the part because initially when she's like doing the stuff on the board, it is ah she asked for like, a ah you know, markers and and eraser. And so she's like, oh, this is what you're writing again. And so it almost seemed like initially she like she says, yeah, because she doesn't want to say what she's really doing. But then she actually does have something that she's written later when she's like writing the new you know waikaro uh book so i was like did she just start that as bullshit to like cover for what she's doing or did she have is it is that like a back burner idea she's had in her pocket for a while and she's like you know maybe i should write this you know why why the fuck not yeah Yeah, she's like, I can get as weird as I want. I can take all my weird ideas or like just ambitious ideas. And like who the fuck is going to care? and But also, it does feel like both of them have this act that they're putting on. She is pretending to write this book because... The Hive, one, I do think they're genuinely interested in consuming some new ah original material because they themselves can't create it. But two, Xosha is hamming it up, performing the shit out of it, really being Helen in these moments. Yeah.
00:59:34
Speaker
And ah Carol is, well, I think she enjoys the companionship, really putting on the performance of I'm writing this book for you and you're being Helen right now. there's a they're both They both have their own performances that they're putting on. And it's interesting. They're trying to enact their own goal in like secrecy separately.
00:59:55
Speaker
Which is interesting that the moment that they actually cross that threshold of becoming physical when they when they kiss is like, Carol has let her guard down a little bit in terms of the act because she like is like, you know that I'm never going to stop.
01:00:12
Speaker
trying to like undo this right like tell me you know that and so like her like did she like needs that out in the open almost even after she's been trying to do this it's i mean she doesn't show the board or anything but she is being like you know that i that's still you know my goal ultimately and but then that that is the catalyst to then the making out and then hooking up it's like it's interesting that it comes after that Yeah, that is the hive going into survival mode. Oh, fuck. We better fuck her. We have to make a move on Carol to try to survive. Because they don't really seem like they engage in that kind of activity. But...
01:00:58
Speaker
Zosia, if I'm correct, went and made the first move, and that seems like an unconsensual form of assault, but I mean, that's it kicking into high gear. Like, we need to survive. we Yeah, she she does she does the first kiss. Yeah, yeah I think it's definitely Zosia initiates it.
01:01:17
Speaker
Yeah, it feels like a survival tactic and so manipulative, even though it's a very sensual moment. That's at least how I was reading it. I don't know if maybe there is some humanity in Zosia, but i I'm just trying to really go by the rules of this show and just tell myself this is a hive mind.
01:01:40
Speaker
This is the hive mind doing all of this and trying to think about their thought process behind it. Thank Yeah, I agree. and that And that's through that lens. It's interesting to think about that.
01:01:54
Speaker
The hive is it's manipulating Carol in order to survive, but it is also feeding. It can't lie. So the information that it gives her this episode is all true. And like some of those things that you said, like you didn't you say in a previous thing, you're like, I wonder if they all just like sleep in one building or something like, yeah, you like like a storm shelter type of thing. Like, that's what i I meant. Like, and, you know, I do feel kind of good, like patting myself on the back because I'm terrible at predicting fucking TV shows. I mean, I predicted the dead bodies, too, but that I felt like we all collectively predicted that as an audience.
01:02:36
Speaker
But like even what Marvel is doing, I'm always wrong. I didn't guess. I mean, I guess the time travel of Endgame, but that felt kind of obvious. I didn't guess Infinity War and yeah I'm just bad at it. And so I'm kind of excited that I'm getting the mundane details of, oh, they sleep in a storm shelter and like, you know,
01:02:58
Speaker
There was something else that was in there, too, in an earlier episode where I was like, oh, hey, I'm kind of glad that I got that. But um yeah, nothing major. I haven't like predicted like any serious plot device, though.
01:03:18
Speaker
Yeah, I haven't either, but we get we fill in I think those answers are still important about like, where do they sleep? Like the logistics of like how this all works. And I like that the show is interested in that. And I feel like there's even like a tossed away line if it's not in this episode or maybe one of the other ones where.
01:03:37
Speaker
I feel like it has to be this one because this is the one where she's back talking directly to the hive again that there's some tossed off line about the rate at which they're like making new people. So I'm like, oh, they are. They do procreate, but just functionally. They're just like, how does that work? Do they just assign breeders? just like you, you fuck.
01:04:02
Speaker
Well, no, because nine months hasn't passed. i assume these were people who were pregnant. Who were already pregnant before the joining. But then will they then, because they they already have a resource problem. So like making more people in addition to who will already be coming out.
01:04:20
Speaker
And then there's also, if they're so efficiency minded. Do you give the resources to the people like what about the really really old people who are just about to die anyway.
01:04:32
Speaker
Do you still give them the HTTP milk because like that stuff is really valuable and you like maybe need to stretch it out more so do you just like feed certain people. I think you have to. i just, because that's some form of... Harm.
01:04:48
Speaker
Yeah. like the I assume they just have to keep these people fed. um Another little bit of information we get to that we had really been tossing around, and I'm kind of glad they just get it out of the way and answer it in a pretty casual way, is animals. They're not a part of the joining, and they seem to have their own independence. They don't have their own hive mind. Something I was wrong about.
01:05:13
Speaker
Right. But they still are around because there's like dogs that belong to someone who's now been joined. So they just, you know, they're still loyal to to to their owner, which is which is interesting idea, because oftentimes in like these kind of genre things, They usually depict animals as being like hypersensitive to any like non-human presence, whether it's like ghosts or aliens, like the dog will start going crazy and get aggressive like, ah but it's like, no, the dog is still but i act like, no, that's my owner.
01:05:47
Speaker
So. but Yeah, that that that guy still feeds me, and now he's nicer. He stopped hitting me or something, you know. You know, whatever these people were doing. I don't advocate for hitting dogs, but there's some bad people out there. No, and we know that that's been corrected, like Minuso's mom. Like, you know, who knows what terrible shit she did, but now she's really pleasant.
01:06:10
Speaker
Yeah, she could have been a bitch because she was abusive to dogs. You never know. Yeah.
01:06:16
Speaker
ah But yeah, it this is a great episode in the fact that it answers those things directly. And this is just the most interesting moment for Minusos to arrive. It's like Carol has, you know, she still knows in the back reminder mission, but she's let her guard down. She's like dropping the ball a little bit here in terms of like she's succumbing to the comforts of that Zosha slash the hive can provide to her.
01:06:44
Speaker
ah I mean, she's human, you know, like in. But it it seems strategic in a way, though, like she's doing it to get inside. The episode is called the charm offensive. So like it yeah like indicates that a lot of this is straight strategic because she is like grilling like she is continually like just straight up asking them stuff. And then she gets an answer. So, oh, in the we get some big answers in this episode. The satellite.
01:07:13
Speaker
Yeah, and, like, the planet, it's, like, Kepler-22 or something like that. We did call the satellite, though. You and I got that correct. Right. So it's, like, just like a chain mail, then, like, that they're just going to send it to the next place. But they... but It's interesting that that's just, like, continuance in, like...
01:07:36
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furthering this virus is it needs to self-perpetuate when there's not even a sustainable way for it to keep itself alive on the planet it's already on like they haven't solved that problem but they're already like we need to devote all this time and resources to building a satellite to beam it to the next place i mean that could be another form of preservation of like oh if everyone here's gonna die we better like get off you know planet They almost want to, they're treating it like a gift because it seems like this hive thing is only linking like the species and certain species at that because they don't seem to be linked with the people from Kepler 22. They, one they,
01:08:18
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They say they're not like they said, like, oh, we imagine them to be like great and or something. i really like that. OK, that's what's on the hive's mind. They're thinking about the people from the planet that sent the signal out. And two things that like kind of upset me and really made me turn on the hive. And this one is one when you see a train and they're like, oh, we use it to transport food. and you're like, oh, dead bodies. They're using there's bunch dead bodies on that train. And that's what I mean. Like the more this their food source reveal sits with you, the more upsetting it gets. And oh it's their transporting bodies. It feels so gross.
01:08:58
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And then when they're like, yeah, we want to beam it to another planet as as a gift to give them. It feels sadistic in a way. This unconsensual spreading to a whole nother planet. and A whole nother world when you know yourself that this is like, like, it's like death.
01:09:19
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Like I said, like, it's like a death sentence. Like you guys are going to die in 10 years and you want another planet to meet that same fate. Like, that's crazy. Yeah, so I I really love what this episode is doing in that I was very upset by the hive in those two moments, but I also was so into their idea that they look up at the stars and they wonder and it they're they they have the ability to like be wistful about, you know, like the nature of like where they come, because that's basically like like Prometheus. I was just about to say we were talking about what their view of ah like, ah what do they think of religion? Like that's the closest they would have to gods is like the people, the, the, the whatever intelligence sent them the virus. So they, they just kind of like, think about that.
01:10:15
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Like of like, Oh, what what what are our you know, creators like, and we don't even know that they're, that's the original race that started the signal, you know, like they could be, just another recipient of this quote, quote gift. But do you think that there were only like 60 days? Well, earlier when when Newsos is checking the radio, they could not have the satellite that they're building up that quickly that he would be picking up that signal. So I don't know. Maybe this the thing that he's hearing on that one station is,
01:10:51
Speaker
i've I've read online some people have the theories like what if there's another signal like we just picked up the one interpreted it and then that's where we got the virus from but what if there's like if whether it's from the same civilization or some kind of competing signal that's like you know oh wait don't use the first one it was like a warning message or something like hey disregard that I actually had never thought about that. I haven't even seen many theorizing about that. So that's um pretty interesting. I heard somebody else say that because in the episode they were talking about how they communicate and it's almost like some kind of signal or something like that. And I heard people theorize, what if that frequency is tapping into how the hive communicates? and He's picking up that like electromagnetic whatever, because that's how kind of how she describes it. because it's like It's like not straight up telepathy, which I like. that they're not It's not like they're just hearing each other's thoughts, but that it's like, yeah, some kind of electrical pulse sending the information. So, yeah, he very well could have been picking up. like They could just have their own frequency that that's transmitted at
01:12:13
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Which then could that be a way to disrupt something? Like if this is all signal based, I mean, there is a physical virus. So like, I don't know if disrupting or jacking into that signal could undo their joining, but you could fuck with something.
01:12:32
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Yeah, you could disrupt their signal, then separate like Zosia and actually do real questioning without the hive being able to find her or interrupt it.
01:12:47
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Or you could do experiments on some of these people, really like test things out, interrupt the signal, and then try to figure out how you can reverse this.
01:13:00
Speaker
That's a good plan. i mean, they, Minusos and Carol just need to put all their cards under. They need to tell Zosia, like, hey, can you, like, go run an errand real quick? And then they just need to, like, share everything that they have collectively. And then by the end of the next episode, come up with exactly what you said. And then just do that.
01:13:23
Speaker
Yeah, I am really wondering how the ah the show, I feel it it has to change going forward when these two characters meet. I wonder what it's like. He antagonistic towards Carol, for all we know. Like, when he finds out what she's been doing, you know, that she's, like, in bed with the enemy, he might just be like, fucking race traitor.
01:13:46
Speaker
Yeah, I do wonder how it's all going to go over. I wonder if they're going to have any kind of ah communication issue going on. ah I'm just two more days and we'll be able to fucking finally see how this all wraps up. I have a feeling we're going to be left on a pretty big cliffhanger. Yeah, I mean, might not Vinny's not a big fan of that.
01:14:12
Speaker
Yeah, I don't love the idea of that. And then maybe having to wait two years. ah Hopefully it's not a two year wait for the next season. I think they've said they're going to try and keep it on a more like standard TV schedule of like, it'll probably be like within a year that we'll get the next one, even which is kind of impressive considering how so big the show is in terms of like, you know, what they're spending on it and the scope was like, wow, OK, if you yeah if you can turn that out.
01:14:41
Speaker
yearly then that's fucking do that yeah I really hope so um it wasn't until last week that I discovered this wasn't 10 episodes so I'm a little disappointed that I'm getting one episode less than what I was supposed to but yeah 9's a really weird maybe it's just my OCD where I'm like you get a round number make it an even number yeah odd numbers get the fuck out of here but i am you know if they deliver another season the end of next year the end of 2026 i'm so on board with it i and i'm fucking excited to watch how this thing wraps up I hope the cliffhanger... I mean, it would be cool if the show answered lot more and put us in a bit more of a comfortable place.
01:15:34
Speaker
And, i mean, but I feel like regardless of how this ends, I feel like there's no way it's not a cliffhanger unless the show is definitively over because it's like...
01:15:47
Speaker
You're always going to be wanting more. Everything feels like a cliffhanger in this show. And I kind of love it. I love the mystery box of this show and really wanting to come back every week just to get the breadcrumbs that they're feeding me. um The show's great. It's great television.
01:16:09
Speaker
Yeah, it's a great experience. And I agree that we probably will. like It's hard to imagine a scenario where there is no cliffhanger. But ideally, we get some kind of answer, whether it's, ah you know, I'm not expecting the answers to everything, but like something will be resolved and and there has to be some kind of emotional resolution or arc that is completed with with carol because i feel like that's just i mean that's just the tenets of of you know like story like you could you don't have to resolve the whole plot but like she she needs to be reaching some new point by by the end of this and i feel like we're it it's not hard to imagine her getting there because she's already made some kind of big changes in the last couple of episodes and then now with minuso's coming he could be the catalyst for propelling her in a whole new direction so like it uh it'll be interesting to see like what that is like what what when we the dust settles and we look back like what will her actual arc of the season be
01:17:13
Speaker
Hell yeah, I'm i'm very curious um to know too. Can't wait. fucking So excited. We're going to be coming back here to record in a couple days. Best best Christmas present I could ask for.
01:17:25
Speaker
Yeah, I'm glad they're dropping it a little early. i'm appreciate the shit out of that. But, man, we got this fucking done in, like, an hour 20. That kind of surprised me. The shortest one, maybe, that we've recorded the most episodes. And we still, like, dug into, like, pretty much all the stuff. But we also stayed on topic a lot more. I like we're patting ourselves on the back on Michael. Yeah, we fucking crushed you, man. We did. Yeah, this was great. You got anything else from Pluribus that you want shout out before we wrap this thing up?
01:18:05
Speaker
I mean... Doug's recorded a lot of podcasts today. Shout out to Doug. a Fucking um machine. 17 hours of podcasting. Most of it was on Anne and the Apocalypse for Morbid Curiosities.
01:18:20
Speaker
And then I'm going to continue the podcast. don't stop recording. I'm going to record my whole life now. Yeah, there is a extended musical edition of the Anne and in the Apocalypse episode we're going to be releasing that is roughly 15 hours long. So stay tuned for that, actually.
01:18:40
Speaker
if That's too valuable. We can't give that away for free. We'll separate it into two parts. Okay, that that makes that's that makes more sense. ah Yeah. Yeah, as far as Horrible's goes, like I'm just excited to see what happens. I mean, we've gotten all these like little cameos and like there's been a couple couple Breaking Bad Saul Easter eggs. ah So, Walter White, show up.
01:19:06
Speaker
What if he pulls up? What if a portal opens up and the RV drives through? and then Walter and Jesse get out and like, yo, bitch. ah We're going to stop the hive.
01:19:21
Speaker
I would appreciate that. This is season one, Jesse. Yeah, I guess season one, Walt, two. they're They're both, you know, in a yeah in a not as dark place yet. That's not really the El Camino energy that Jesse had. It'd be funny if he still was like that by the by the end of the epilogue where he's just like, yo, yo, yo.
01:19:49
Speaker
You know, I think I'm finally going to do it and just throw on El Camino and watch that. I've been loving the Vince Gilligan vibe and El Camino has been on my mind a lot. I feel like that gets overlooked as a movie just because it's like it's a Netflix movie. I feel like and that's that hurts it.
01:20:08
Speaker
Yeah, Netflix movie spinoff to Breaking Bad. And like, you know, spinoff to Breaking Bad aside, yeah, it helps if you have seen it. I don't know anyone who's seen it without seeing Breaking Bad. be interesting to get their opinions on it as a movie.
01:20:24
Speaker
But I think it's just a great story. And I... God, I think I might put it on El Camino. Go check it out guys. Let's plug. I mean, it's kind of crazy. Netflix. Great company. They did a yeah perfect company. They did a spinoff movie that not only didn't feel cheap, that it was like really good. And then the spinoff prequel show, which sounded unnecessary when it was announced was fantastic. Like the fact that they did two spinoff things, that were like really well-received and beloved by fans and and critics. We were like, yeah, this is actually good. like This isn't like some cheap cash-in. That's crazy. that like It maintained the integrity of like the original show and the spin-offs itself. like That almost never happens. i mean well It didn't even come close to falling into Walking Dead territory. You're like, oh, you guys are beating a dead horse now. Mm-hmm.
01:21:23
Speaker
Yeah, because there's like four Walking Dead shows. There's like two still going or something. And all of them star Daryl somehow. I don't think he's Mexico and fucking Canada or something. And France or something. He's driving his motorcycle like with a cappuccino. He's like, we, we. yeah don't I don't think that's. I know i know that he's in another country.
01:21:49
Speaker
And he's also like probably on American Pickers or something. I don't know. One of these shows. It's all The Walking Dead to me.
01:21:59
Speaker
And he's busy getting scanned so he can be in games with Guillermo del Toro and Kojima's other director friends. It's funny that Kojima is like a renowned video game designer, but he spends so much of that time just trying to like rub shoulders with Hollywood people and like get them incorporate them into his. cause Now he has the technology. You can just like scan a person and put them in the game. So he's like, yeah, I'm a little Toro. I got fucking George Miller. ah El of l fanning's in the game now. Whatever. Fuck yeah.
01:22:33
Speaker
He's a big, he seems like he hangs out with Timothee Chalamet a lot. I mean, good for him. to Rapper Timothee Chalamet, I should say. i'm I don't know how I'm going to, ah i'm x i' of course I'm going to see Marty Supreme, but i'm like, his publicity like run for this movie is so aggressive that I can't help but be charmed by, it's like is' like, yes, he is trying way too hard, but that makes me like him more.
01:23:02
Speaker
I think in a way, his press run for Marty Supreme kind of makes Dune a little worse. No, I'm kidding. He should do this energy for Dune. It the reality of Paul a little bit. He needs to be in character as Paul like ah in this many public things for Dune 3. When Dune 3 comes out, he's just like showing up.
01:23:25
Speaker
ah Just giving crazy speeches with fucking weird voices. garba ah Oh, and like stabbing people. Like, oh, it Jesus. Yeah, man.
01:23:35
Speaker
Say what you will about Dune part two, but that movie has a great ending without giving it away. that i mean, if you haven't seen duke of go fucking go watch it. Watch both of them. They're great. But yeah, the but two is awesome.
01:23:51
Speaker
Yeah. Um... Yeah, shout out to Marty Supreme. going to watching that ah at some point in the future. Safdie's, or not the Safdie's, just one of them. and Yeah. It sounds like they had a hard breakup from what Google was telling me.
01:24:09
Speaker
ah that It really wasn't as clean as maybe like a Cohen splitting apart. They ah actually, i don't know. i'd be I'm going to be interested to hear Josh Safdie's tell-all book because he's the quiet one.
01:24:26
Speaker
I want to hear the full story. Yeah, he Josh does seem like the more quiet, contemplative one. But I also enjoy... I still haven't seen The Smashing Machine. I'm goingnna i'm going to watch it. but ah Josh is married to the director of If I Had Legs, I'd Kill You. Oh, Jesus! finally like does That escalated quickly. She's back, but for revenge. Rose Byrne with like a gun on the cover. She's like...
01:24:53
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, man. I cannot wait for our top 10 episode that we're probably going to be recording together soon. i think we're going to be able to get in some good If I Had Legs talk. So one of us is bound to have it on the list. So.
01:25:10
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. Or even just, I'm still down to give it its own episode. i don't I don't think there's any time limit on that, especially because all through awards season, I'm going to be singing that movie's praises. because i There's just like seven movies that I want to talk about with you, and I'm like, okay, the top ten episode will be a good way to like... Get some form of those conversations in there. I i agree, especially like at the end of the year when everything's so backloaded. where I mean, yeah, there's stuff that I you know slip through cracks i just have to catch up on, but then it's also that's when...
01:25:47
Speaker
you know, all the the things that were at festivals are that have now gone wide and we can finally see them. So, yeah, there's going to... And the stuff that we've already, like, have in our top list. But, like, it's going to be interesting because I i feel like i have, like, a pretty secure...
01:26:03
Speaker
like at least top five like i'm like i don't know if those are budget but new movies could still break into the top 10 i mean wake up dead man yeah got in there and i was just like oh okay well ah new movies can definitely i i haven't even decided where fire and ashes it's gonna be high i'm i don't know if if it's like in the top 10.
01:26:25
Speaker
Yeah, Fire and Ash is really one where I'm thinking it it might have cracked my top four. I have no idea where it's going to sit in my 10. It's thrown everything off. And Fire and Ash being in my 10 means that There's one movie, I won't say what it is, where I'm really trying to hang on to it and keep it in my top 10. It's stayed with me for a while, but I don't know, man.
01:26:53
Speaker
ah Aside from Marty Supreme, I've got four movies from this year on my list that I really want to check off. And whether they make the top 10 or not will really...
01:27:04
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ah determine a lot of things but i'm i'm excited we'll be recording that probably sometime in the near future but uh you wanna you wanna take your plugs away first uh well on that note yes that is my name nicholas douglas
01:27:28
Speaker
My phone calls you Douglas, no matter how many times I say Doug. so pesky yeah Pesky iPhone, just making decisions for itself.
01:27:39
Speaker
I'll be like, call Doug, and I'll be like, calling Douglas Davenport. It's like, well, okay, it's formal. ah But on that note, ah check out ah my, I guess on an episode of ah Nick's podcast, Morbid Curiosities, did Anna and the Apocalypse episode we kind of alluded to earlier in the record, but that that'll that'll be up by the time you're hearing this. So yeah, check check that out.
01:28:06
Speaker
um Also, I've been ah guesting ah on my friend stream, um Unsourced Wall Radio. ah We're going through all the Scream movies leading up to the release of the new one. um And so, yeah, ah those those usually, you you can just watch them on YouTube, ah but the live streams are usually started at like 5 or 5.30 Central on and on Sundays is is usually when we do those. So, yeah, those have been fun to do, and it's interesting to revisit
01:28:40
Speaker
ah that that franchise. A franchise I like, and which is kind of sad that the where it's... I'm assuming where it's going because i the new one doesn't look good. But then also, I'm plugging your stuff too, but check out the Mormon Curiosity Scream episodes because I was re-listening to those while rewatched after re-watching the movie because I was like, ah this is like a good companion to like these these movies that that i love. so and those those are Those are fun episodes. So,
01:29:10
Speaker
that Hell yeah, thank you. I appreciate that plug. That made me genuinely ah happy. Cool. um Thanks for listening. Hell yeah. ah Yeah, like Doug said, go check out Morbid Curiosities. The Anne and in the Apocalypse episode is great.
01:29:27
Speaker
We had a blast doing it At least I had a blast doing it. Doug could have hated it, and he's just that good of an actor. um i did do an impressive John Cena impersonation. He did. Yeah. that That was a great audition, actually. You should use that as an audition taper if you go and do some theater. I'm sending this to James Gunn because assume for the future...
01:29:51
Speaker
Whatever the Peacemaker show, if they're going to like spin that off into something else, they might need another actor. Cena might be busy or something. so i'll be like hey I can i can be i can you get the same performance from me.
01:30:04
Speaker
Well, yeah. but so And in the apocalypse, great episode. We also covered the new Silent Night, Deadly Night. Me and my girlfriend, Rocia, actually, she was a guest on that one.
01:30:17
Speaker
That one was a bunch of fun We got more things coming in the future. 28 years later, the bone temple. Doug said, scream we'll be doing scream next year, along with whatever horror comes to mind and we want to do. um Morbid curiosities too.
01:30:38
Speaker
We're experimenting with guests for the first time going into 2026. So if you're listening and you got the equipment and you want to touch base on maybe being a guest, send me an email at morbidcuriosities10 at gmail.com or go over to Instagram at morbidcuriosities underscore pod and send us a DM. I'll respond to you and we can maybe coordinate something for the year 2026. If you're a fan of horror, hit me up. We'll get something going. And
01:31:11
Speaker
feel free to go check out the back catalog too there's some fun times to be had at more of curiosities and more going into 2026 doug's gonna be popping up a lot more you'll be seeing a lot more of him get used to that as well as like get used to it fuckers yeah as well as like a healthy rotation of regular guests that i i'd like to get set up on the pod so Yeah, I want to build out the morbid family if possible. But aside from that, um check out the Movies with Bay commentary that's on this feed. We covered the monkey. I still intend on getting our episode on m Night Shyamalan's old up. I just keep forgetting that it exists. I really want to hear that.
01:31:58
Speaker
It's a fun one. You get to hear me being like, what's going I forgot this movie. It's been so long. You get to hear a lot of that in that fucking thing. I'm so bad at commentaries if I'm not really like caught up with the movie.
01:32:13
Speaker
um And then we have an episode on Jumanji that's probably lost to time. I think her and I both agreed that we didn't like the episode. so that's sort of Of the original Jumanji?
01:32:26
Speaker
Yeah. um ah Damn, that probably sounds like it would have been fun. And then we're talking about doing commentaries for ah Honey Don't, the Coen's movie that came out this year because we had for fun watching that one together.
01:32:42
Speaker
She has a lot to say about that. um Aristocats is another one that was on the list. And there was something else she threw out that um we're talking about doing. But yeah, Movies with Bay on this feed and on YouTube. And then follow me at Letterboxd on Nicholas Sewers.
01:32:59
Speaker
Could always use more followers. Got a lot of lists. Go check out some of these lists. See my terrible rankings. Go see where I put Scream 4 or whatever. or Where it belongs at the top.
01:33:14
Speaker
Yeah, or you know go see where Kill Bill The Whole Bloody Affair falls in my Tarantino rankings, having seen that. but Oh, I actually haven't seen that list. I'm going to go check that out. Oh, oh hell yeah. That's an ever-changing list. And my my top two are interchangeable. that I feel like they're almost like tied and they're, I'm excited for your opinion on that. whole I have a lot of director rankings that are like that. Like once you get to a certain point in the Coens and then also I feel like when I tried doing Scorsese, it's like a lot of these are interchangeable.
01:33:50
Speaker
Hell yeah. i that It almost helps to have it in like sections or tiers. Yeah, like this is the S tier and tier and the B tier.
01:34:04
Speaker
Sab. sab tiers, as we like to call them. Or bass, depending on what way you're looking at it. It's depending on the direction you're going. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, those are my plugs.
01:34:17
Speaker
And I'm Nick Ewers. I'm Doug Davenport. And we've been These Guys Got Juice. Have a good night. Bye.