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All The Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues Recap
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Jack takes the lead as we explore the heart-wrenching relationship with his father in this emotionally charged episode. Join us as we discuss Jack’s drive to save lives, his complicated past, and how it shapes his role among the survivors. Our uncle shares his thoughts from the first time around, while Nick pieces together the story’s deeper meanings as a first-timer.
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Introduction to 'The Lost with My Uncle' Podcast
00:00:21
Speaker
Terrific You're listening to the lost with my uncle podcast I'm Aaron DS and I'll be rewatching lost Along with my nephew Nick who will be watching it for the very first time So come along with us and enjoy the journey Let's get lost let's get lost
00:00:49
Speaker
Hello, hello, and welcome back to The Lost with My Uncle, a lost rewatch and first timers podcast.
Deep Dive into Lost's 20th Anniversary
00:00:56
Speaker
We are your 20th anniversary deep dive into every episode of Lost. I'm Aaron D.S., a proud millennial rewatching Lost. And joining me as always is my Gen Z nephew, Nick. And today we're tackling episode 11 of season one, which is called All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues.
Is This the Best Episode Featuring Jack?
00:01:15
Speaker
And this one puts Jack back in the spotlight. And man, Nick, we really pick right back up with the momentum that started building at the end of our last episode.
00:01:24
Speaker
I mean, there's literally no better way to put that that statement. and Is it crazy? Is it crazy to say that this is the best episode so far? I don't think it's crazy. Is it crazy to say that? No, I think it even was. Even with Walkabout? Even with White Rabbit? I mean, it's always debatable, right? And that's part of the fun of the show. But no, I think this was an excellent episode. I think this is the best one so far.
00:01:53
Speaker
Awesome. Well, I can't wait to hear what you thought about
Listener Engagement and Feedback
00:01:55
Speaker
it. Yeah. And as always, we'd love to hear your thoughts and theories, listeners. So feel free to send us any comments or questions that you have, and we'll try to feature you in an upcoming episode. You can email us at lostwithmyunclepodatgmail.com. Again, that's lostwithmyunclepodatgmail.com. So we have a ton to cover today. So without any further deliberation, let's get lost. Let's do it.
Pursuing Ethan: Jack and Locke's Leadership Debate
00:02:24
Speaker
So, like I mentioned, we pick right up where we left off in episode 10 with the survivors realizing that Ethan wasn't on the plane. Jack asks if anyone has seen him and Michael says he took off on the path to the beach to get some wood. And Jack then asks where Charlie is and Locke says he went after Claire. So they kind of put the pieces together in their mind and they immediately take off through the jungle after them.
00:02:49
Speaker
Locke finds footprints and says, it looks like there might've been a struggle. And he sees drag marks. And Jack just starts yelling, Claire, Charlie, at the top of his lungs, like a maniac. And Locke's like, Jack, shh. Don't be giving away that we're out here.
00:03:06
Speaker
And so we see the lock versus Jack. The dynamics start very early in this episode as they also argue about whether or not it's their people or someone else that did this. And lock believes Said, but Jack doesn't seem as convinced. So Jack ends up continuing on while lock heads back to the caves to put together a search party. And there's some pretty cool and intense music and soundtrack playing in the background here as well.
00:03:33
Speaker
Yeah, no, the soundtrack for this whole episode was amazing. Like really, really good. I mean, it's a Jack episode. So it shows a lot of like his leadership sort of poking through and like he kind of feels like he should be doing something, I guess.
Jack's Character: Leader or Flawed?
00:03:54
Speaker
I'm gonna say I don't i didn't really love Jack this episode.
00:03:59
Speaker
i I think that he was, and the only reason I say this now is because he's not in my bottom three or my top three, so I'm not spoiling anything. I think he just he just didn't really, he was kind of like flustered the whole time and he, I think Locke did an amazing job with everything and Jack was kind of a jerk. but Especially to Kate in that one scene.
00:04:24
Speaker
Yeah, I fully agree. I wanted to kind of chat with you about that because Jack is, he's a very polarizing character. Yeah. um You know, people either tend to love him or hate him. And I remember when I watched the show for the first time, he was one of my favorite characters when it was all said and done. You know, I found I found his story very intriguing, I think.
00:04:48
Speaker
Personally, I related with his need to prove himself and and some of the daddy issues stuff that he was dealing with. And like you said, I enjoyed watching his natural leadership capabilities that he exhibits. But on the flip side of that, there's also this dark and quite honestly abrasive or annoying side of Jack. And like you said, he's he's pretty much a big jerk. so especially as I've watched back the show the last couple of times I find his personality here in season one just almost unbearable like yeah angry
Flashbacks: Jack and His Father
00:05:22
Speaker
all the time. And if you get on his bad side, which right now that is lock and Sawyer who have sort of taken up the mantle of
00:05:30
Speaker
is on island rivals. Yeah. And, you know, again, right now, Jack does a good job of leading people, but he doesn't do a good job of taking feedback. So yeah, and if anybody disagrees, he's going to pout, he's going to get angry, mistreat them. yeah So i'm I'm curious if you, you know, if that resonates with you, if you agree with that, or what you're talking about. 100%.
00:05:51
Speaker
um I don't know, I just thought it was childish on his part, like the whole time. And like, I understand these things, but like, Locke being like, okay, let's go back and let's get other people and let's like, get things. And he's like, which way did they go? Like, you're not gonna find them, you're gonna get lost in this woods and you're goingnna Ethan is gonna probably kill you. Like, yeah you know, is it was just stupid. Like, especially for something like that, you have to be well, you have to be th thought out. And especially if you're gonna be a leader.
00:06:20
Speaker
Yeah, and it really goes against who Jack is. You know, we've talked about how Jack is sort of like the man of science and, and Locke is more of the man of faith. Yeah. And, and, and it didn't line up with, you know, Jack as a doctor, like he should be very logical. He should be thinking these things through. Yeah.
00:06:42
Speaker
But again, I think a lot of it is going to tie into these flashbacks that we're going to get into and just the daddy issues and some of the stuff that he's struggled with again his
Questioning Locke and Michael's Abilities
00:06:51
Speaker
whole life. So. Yeah. In the first flashback, we are taken off island into the past where Jack is a surgeon working under his father, Christian, also known to us as the, ah you know, the older white haired ghost or zombie or yeah or whatever he is that's walking around the island.
00:07:14
Speaker
And Jack is in the operating room or OR performing a surgery and is trying his best to salvage a surgery gone wrong. And then Christian comes in and tells him to call it. And Jack looks at him with a fury in his eyes and says, you call it. And we don't really know everything going on initially here, Nick.
00:07:32
Speaker
ah I mean, it was confusing. I was more confused by this flashback than anything else. Like, I was just kind of like, oh, there's a lot of blood, you. And and then I was like, I was like, Oh, what if, what if that happened? and then i And then I was like thinking to myself, Oh, what if that happened to me? What if I went into surgery and and something like that happened? Oh, it'd be horrible. And then I kind of got like sidetracked, but it was,
00:07:56
Speaker
I thought the way that Jack said, you call it, originally I thought that he had made the mistake and he was ashamed of it. So he told his dad to call it. That was my thought process at the start. And then we find out what really happens. Yeah.
00:08:16
Speaker
And then back on the island, there's some debate going on over who should be in the search party. Boone volunteers and Shannon quickly tries to talk him out of it saying, you won't know where to go. But Locke sticks up for him and encourages him to join.
00:08:31
Speaker
And then in the next scene, Michael comes up to John and says, hey, man, a lot of us just don't want to sit here waiting for news. And Locke says, we're good. Anyone else will slow us down. And Michael replies, OK, well, maybe I'll put together another party to which Locke replies, good idea. We're going north. You should go south.
00:08:50
Speaker
So the Locke and Michael dynamic not exactly strengthening here is as Locke kind of just puts him down and in his place there. I don't think Locke was trying to either. I just think, I mean, I think Michael, I see where your Michael flaws like come in because you've been kind of saying you don't really love Michael that much. And I've been like, why? He seems fine. This is kind of one of those examples where, you know, he doesn't want to just sit around, but he's kind of not going to be good at it.
00:09:20
Speaker
You know, right yeah I mean like he can go soft, but he doesn't even, he even says later, he doesn't even know what that means. ah So I think Michael was kind of annoying in that, in that fact. But I will say, you know, I said, I said, Jack moved down a few wrongs on my list. Cause how he acted in this episode. Guess what? oh yeah Guess what? Spoiler for the end of the episode. I know spoiler. Guess what?
00:09:50
Speaker
What? Walt moved up. Oh, okay. I liked Walt in this episode. I thought Walt was great. Yeah, I was getting ready to, you know, throw a few jabs at you later when when we have a lot of Walt's stuff. um I might still do it just just for the fun of it, but... I mean, and he'll probably go back down there, don't worry. But um for now, he's he's he's worked his way up. I liked Walt to some extent.
Leadership Showdown: Jack vs. Locke
00:10:20
Speaker
Good deal, yeah. Yeah, we we got a lot quite a bit of Walt this episode. Yeah. And then in our second flashback off island, Jack is back in the operating room as they put the sheet over the dead body of the woman. Christian then comes in and accuses Jack of bursting into his ER to operate on his patient. And we find out that Christian was called to do the surgery first, but he was under the influence.
00:10:47
Speaker
And so Jack made the decision to do the operation. Christian angrily replies, you tell me if you were upstairs and I was in a restaurant having lunch, then why did they call me? So again, Christian, just an absolute jerk to Jack and Jack snaps back. How many drinks did you have at lunch, dad? Well, that's where like the, the him being an alcoholic from the first Jack episode comes in. Yup. And it really like it really,
00:11:17
Speaker
It's like a, it's like a good sizzle of like in your brain, like in your emotion in your brain. It's like, it's like, wow. Like you got to process that. Yeah. I thought, I thought all the flashbacks in this episode were really good. I think I didn't really love all the Claire ones. I don't know why I didn't love the Claire ones, but I didn't really like the Claire ones that much. I really liked all these. I thought they were good besides the first one. The first one was not good, but I liked all of these. Yeah. Yeah. There was a lot of emotion in this episode.
00:11:48
Speaker
And then back on the island, the search party made up of Jack, Locke, Kate, and Boone follows the trail that Ethan left behind. And Locke tells Jack he should go back to the caves and help Said. Locke says, this was my fault. I hunted with Ethan and I never noticed anything off about him. So go back, be the doctor, and let me be the hunter.
00:12:07
Speaker
but Jack is determined to continue on. And this journey through the jungle really allows us to see Jack's determination and his desperation to save Charlie and Claire even when the odds seem grim. I i don't know. I'm seem locked there. I think go back and be the doctor. I think he wasn't in the right head space to be tracking.
00:12:29
Speaker
I really think he was in the right head space. I think he was, he was just kind of like flustered and trying to, you know, fix everything instantly, but he couldn't do that. And then it made him spiral. I think that he 100% should have been back, went back and been a doctor and attended to Said's knee or leg, helped other people, whatever, whatever, i whatever.
00:12:53
Speaker
So, yeah be the leader. I hear you. I have one comment to that to say later when we get to a later section. And then back at the caves, Michael has put together his own little search party and he's griping to Hurley about Locke calling him old Baldy when Wald overhears them and sticks up for Locke, telling his dad, Mr. Locke is a warrior and he's the only one who brought knives. So if I were you, I'd listen to him.
00:13:21
Speaker
Michael says, but I don't want you to listen to lock and you're going to stay here with Hurley. And then at the close of this scene, after Michael walks off, Hurley says back home, I'm known as something of a warrior myself. Give me the Hurley episode now.
00:13:36
Speaker
I know. ah What does that mean? What does that mean? I want to know what it means. I'm so interested in his whole story. And we get like, ah it peaks through a little bit in this episode. and I want it so bad. I want it so so bad. Also, old Baldi is an amazing name for John Locke, and I'm going to start using it. It is. Yeah. And and Hurley's moment just cracked me up. Like that was one of the funniest lines of the show. Yeah.
00:14:04
Speaker
And then back in the jungle, Jack and Locke are really butting heads. Locke needs to sit down and take a break and Jack gets super aggressive. And he's like, you're sitting down to take a break. And Locke was like, yes, Jack, I'm going to sit down and take a break. And Kate pulls Jack off to the side and basically tells him he's being childish. She asked him what's going on. And we find out Jack has regrets about not believing Claire in last week's episode. To be fair, to be fair.
00:14:31
Speaker
ah she like Like, I also thought that she was having delusions. And I and i was watching the show from her perspective. Sir,
Jack's Moral Struggle and Family Issues
00:14:41
Speaker
I think, ah again, I agree with Kate. I think Jack was being extremely childish and I think he should listen to Locke. Locke says, take a break, take a break.
00:14:50
Speaker
Don't want to use all your energy at once and get exhausted. But I don't know, like and we kind of raised the, um this yeah I don't want to talk about that now or don't want to talk about it later. I'll talk about it a little bit now. How does Locke know all this? He works at a ah box office company and and he was in a wheelchair. How in the world does he know how to do this and how is he this capable of doing this? Yeah.
00:15:20
Speaker
That's a great question. I mean, part of it could be his connection with the island, and the island's just feeding him information. Or, yeah, I guess we can go back to the theory that he learned a lot of this stuff in preparation for his walkabout. You know, and maybe he's just... I don't want to rely too much on, oh, it's the island. I don't i don't want to rely too much on that. I hope they don't... I hope Lost doesn't do that.
00:15:45
Speaker
I hope they don't, for a lot of, like, a lot of some of like some of the things, I hope they don't lean on, oh, the edge the island's magical for, like, a lot of stuff, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm just throwing out options here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. As a guy who's never watched, oh, wait. But yeah, I think, I'm just curious about that. I think we kinda get, like, it kinda comes to our attention a little bit more of this episode. Mm-hmm.
00:16:16
Speaker
And as we finish up with Jack and Kate's little powwow, Boone yells Jack's name and they go running over to Locke and Boone and they see that they've discovered tracks. There are two sets of tracks and Kate reveals in this scene that she also knows a thing or two about tracking, ah likely from the opposite perspective since she spent a lot of time on the run and and probably trying not to be tracked.
00:16:38
Speaker
And again, Lock and Jack disagree on which set of tracks they should follow. So Lock and Boone go down one and Jack and Kate go down the other. Probably but not a great idea here as they have no idea what's waiting for them, but that's what they do. and They're stupid. They're stupid for that.
00:16:52
Speaker
Yeah, why? yeah there wasn't Why is that always a thing? Like, why do people always stood up? Because now, Jack and I mean, well, I mean, it's kind of good because Jack and Kate were able to get to Charlie. But seriously, like, now, John Locke and Boone are in the middle of nowhere. Or maybe Locke knows where he is. But I don't know. A little confusing. Yeah.
00:17:21
Speaker
And then we also get a fun little side scene here with Walt following Sawyer around and talking his ear off. And they discuss Ethan not being on the manifest and Sawyer says, don't you think he could have lied about his name? And Walt's like, no, that's stupid to lie about your name.
00:17:37
Speaker
So that was pretty funny. And Walt tells him that Ethan and other people could be on the island that that were there previously. And Sawyer replies, so a tribe of evil natives planted a ringer in the camp to kidnap a pregnant girl and a reject from VH1's has beens. Yeah, fiendishly clever. Then he looks at Walden says, and why am I getting the evening news from a six year old? Walt says, I'm 10. And then says, if you don't believe me, ask Saeed. He says, we're not alone.
00:18:05
Speaker
So he springs the news on Sawyer, the Said is back. And a few things here, Nick. A couple of items somewhat out of a time capsule, the Sawyer brings up VH1 and the evening news. So I ask you 18 year old nephew to play a little trivia game with me. oh I'm sure you know about the evening news to some degree, although, you know, I doubt you consume it or, you know, in this streaming age, but you know what it is, right? Yeah.
00:18:32
Speaker
But I ask you, what is VH1? Could you explain to our listeners what VH1 is? What is VH1? I have no idea. I actually have no idea. Yes, I tripped them up. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on. I can figure this out.
00:18:52
Speaker
It's gotta be like a VHS thing. It's actually not anything in relation to a VHS. Good guess, though. Okay. VH1, do you have another guess? No, I have no other guesses. All right, VH1. So back in the 80s and 90s, music videos became a really big thing. And so you had MTV and you had VH1, who was basically the main competitor to MTV. Oh, okay. Yeah, and they would play music videos all day long every day. Now those channels just play weird, random reality TV shows and stuff. They don't even play music anymore.
00:19:32
Speaker
But anyway. But anyway. Yeah, fun little side trail. I love trails. Oh, speaking of trails. No, go ahead and finish your thought. Oh, I was gonna say I loved that that Sawyer and Walt bit loved it so much. Yeah, I thought it was hilarious. And I think that Sawyer has so many great comments, like the whole time.
00:20:02
Speaker
Um, back on the trail for Charlie and Claire, we are having some get to know each other moments between lock and Boone or Boone asked lock what he did in the real world. And lock tells him he was the regional manager for a box company. As lock walks away, Boone goes, yeah, right. And smiles. And then on the other path, Kate asked Jack to slow down because Jack is is just being super intense and rushing along and Jack gets lippy with Kate and starts asking her where she earned or learned to track and and says, how about a little honesty? And she explains that she learned to track from her father, who was an ex-soldier in the army. And she used to hike and track deer. And then she says, that's some honesty. How about you? Anything to share, Jack? And then that kind of takes us into our next flashback where Jack is called to Christian's office and
00:21:00
Speaker
He has written up the report for the dead woman, which states that the patient's death was unavoidable. But Jack isn't planning to sign, even though it could really severely impact his dad and he could lose his license, but Jack doesn't seem to care. And he asked his dad, how impaired were you? But Christian manages to change his son's mind by convincing him his job is his life and by giving Jack a long overdue apology for treating him so harshly when he was growing up. He also kind of pats him on the arm and, you know, really, we find out later that he was manipulating Jack in this moment. So in the end, Jack ends up signing the document. Horrible father. Yeah, a horrible father. Yeah, it kind of shows Jack's perseverance, like he will do what's right. ah He will 100% do what's right.
00:21:52
Speaker
Uh-huh. Yeah. I mean, why, if you know you're impaired, I don't understand why you would willingly operate if you knew you were impaired. Because he's the reason that woman's dead now. Yeah. And he doesn't he doesn't seem to feel bad about it either. No, he's he's justified everything. Yeah. But a horrible father.
00:22:20
Speaker
Absolutely. like not There's not one redeeming quality about Christian Shepherd. Yeah. He's a very intriguing character and I'm i'm umm still intrigued too as to what's going on on the island with him. Right. But
High-Stakes Rescue: Confrontation with Ethan
00:22:37
Speaker
yeah, nothing nothing good about his character. Yeah. No. I don't know.
00:22:44
Speaker
And then back on the island, we see Said resting in the caves, and we knew this was coming. Sawyer shows up and starts talking trash to Said, who tells him that he left camp out of shame for what he had done to Sawyer, and that it was never his intention to return. And Sawyer replies with, sorry, I'm fresh out of sweet forgiveness. Said ends up telling him the story about Russo, the sickness, and the others.
00:23:11
Speaker
And Saeed confesses what he heard on his way back from the jungle, trying to explain the whispers to Sawyer as well. And then on the beach, Nick, we get some bonding time between everyone, and and by everyone, I mean Nick's favorite island kid, Walt, and Hurley, where we find out that Walt is really lucky while they're playing Yahtzee, keeps rolling exactly what he needs.
00:23:36
Speaker
It talks about how his dad, and he's not talking about Michael. He's talking about his other dad, Brian. So his stepdad always told him that he was really lucky. And then Hurley kind of gets up and says, I have to go. I've got a meeting and wanders off.
00:23:52
Speaker
So, you know, he talked a little bit about this earlier ah with Walt, but seems like he's moving up a little bit in your mind, huh? He's growing on me. And I mean, like, I think it might be just because we got more Walt and he was doing less complaining. That's probably what it was. since I think he does a lot of complaining and asking stupid questions.
00:24:10
Speaker
And then also we got Hurley combined with Walt, which probably brought him up because I love Hurley so much. um I wonder if that would happen. Yeah. And then also Sawyer and Said, it's interesting to see them getting along because they're kind of getting along. Sawyer still being a little bit of like a jerk, but it's kind of deserved. Like Said did stab him in the arm. So, and while it wasn't intentional, like, you know, still,
00:24:37
Speaker
Yeah, but they they I think they could get along possibly. And I think I would like it if I saw that. Yeah, it's very interesting. Because they they definitely spent a lot more time talking than you would have thought the two of them would have. Right. So yeah, maybe Sawyer is maybe Sawyer realizes to some degree that that he was a jerk and You know, stuff happens. It was an accident. Maybe Sawyer's gonna grow a little bit. We'll see here. I hope so. And then back in the jungle, Locke and Boone chat some more and we find out that Boone ran a wedding business with his mom. And during this encounter, we also find out that Locke is a straight up psychic as he predicts to Boone that it's going to start raining in one minute. Yeah. And when it does, Locke laughs and Boone says, they teach you how to predict the weather at a box company?
00:25:33
Speaker
that's That's the thing, Boone is also curious about him working at a box company, which makes me think there is no way that he just like works at a box company. Like there's gotta be something more to it. There could be, there could be. Hope we learn more about that in the second lock episode. but What'd you think about the rain thing though? I didn't think much of it. I kinda just thought that would be like a tracker thing.
00:26:00
Speaker
like that he would know that just from being a tracker. But I mean, I guess that might be like that. I would I would tally that to being like being in tune with the island. That I'd be OK with. But if you were like, oh, yeah, Locke was able to regrow a limb because of the island's magic, then I'd be like upset with the producers and director because then they would just be using the island's magic as an excuse to do whatever they wanted. But I think here is kind of just showing how Locke is in tune with the island. Gotcha. Yeah.
00:26:30
Speaker
And then we get back to Jack and Kate who are climbing around some tree roots in the jungle in the down pouring rain. And Jack is still really intense in the scene and moving quickly. And he ends up slipping and falling down a mudslide. And when he either wakes up or, you know, stirs at the bottom of the hill. Ethan is staring down at him, slams his boot into Jack's stomach and ribs, and threatens that if you don't stop following me, I will kill one of them. But Jack doesn't stay down. So this kind of ah calls back to the first Jack flashback episode where he's trying to help the kid that's getting punched by the bully.
00:27:06
Speaker
and yeah And they say, stay down, Jack, but he doesn't stay down. And so he doesn't stay down here either. He tries to get up and fight Ethan, who absolutely destroys him. like yeah It's crazy. askinging him Knocking him all over the place and and then giving him a final kick to the face and saying, final warning. Oh my God. That was so scary. I thought it was so, so scary in in the moment. So scary. Yeah, for sure.
00:27:34
Speaker
And then this kind of leads us into our next flashback where we see Christian comforting the husband of the woman who died and patting him on the shoulder the exact same way he had done to Jack in the previous scene while he was manipulating Jack. And this leads to a change in plans with Jack once they get into the boardroom as he chooses to tell the truth, revealing that Christian was intoxicated during the surgery. And this decision effectively is going to end his father's career.
00:28:03
Speaker
I mean, that really explains why his mom was like, you know why he like ran off and you know why you have to go get him. It does. Yeah, that explains it. Yep. In the last episode. And the only reason I actually remembered that is because I was listening to our own episode. I don't know if that's that's bad, but I was listening to our own episode for like two seconds. That is not bad at all. From one podcast or to another. So I think that Jack did the right thing. But I'm assuming his mom didn't. And that's why he's getting so much crap for what he did. Hmm. Very interesting. Yeah. And then back on the island, Kate finds Jack as he is waking up from Ethan's below. And she tries to get him to stop saying that the rain has washed away the trail. But Jack's Jack's not going to stop at this point. He runs on saying I won't let him do this again. So that was kind of
00:29:01
Speaker
you know, a callback to the flashbacks and talking about his dad really more than Ethan, I think. he And the tension really escalates when Jack and Kate discover Charlie hanging from a tree left for dead by Ethan. They cut him down. It's a very intense scene. It takes him a while to get him cut down. Oh my God. But Jack's
Mystery in the Jungle: Locke and Boone's Discovery
00:29:22
Speaker
refusing to give up, right? He performed CPR in a desperate attempt to revive him after repeated efforts when most people would have given up. And while Kate is is really getting hysterical and weeping, Jack continues to punch Charlie in the chest region saying, come on, Charlie, come on.
00:29:39
Speaker
And Kate tries to stop him, and he temporarily stops and then cries, no. And he starts hitting Charlie's body again, and while Kate sobs, Charlie all of a sudden lets out a huge breath and starts breathing again. So what an emotional scene, and and we all thought Charlie was a goner. So a few things. That scene, Charlie, like suspended like that,
00:30:08
Speaker
my heart dropped, like dropped. I like, I wasn't expecting that. Not in the slightest was expecting that at all. And then I i think I knew that he wasn't dead. I'm going to be honest. I knew he wasn't dead. They wouldn't have killed him off that early. But then I did have a slight doubt, I will say, but I kind of knew in the back of my mind. They just, they drug it out way so long though.
00:30:35
Speaker
Yeah, they did. they they They really, like, they really milked it. But crazy scene. Crazy scene. It was intense. It was emotional. And then why does Ethan want to bring Claire to the others? That also got confirmed. My theory about there being Danielle and then others got confirmed. That's what Saeed said. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great question. Add it to our list of theories. Yes.
00:31:05
Speaker
And after the rescue, we see the group back at the caves and Jack is tending to Charlie and asking for any details he can provide. And Charlie says, I didn't see or hear anything. I don't remember. All they wanted was Claire. And he specifically says, they hear. And then we see Shannon come up to Kate and say, they aren't back yet. Talking about lock and boon.
00:31:28
Speaker
And Kate says something interesting here. She says, I'm sure they just made camp for the night. If there's anyone on this island that your brother's safe with, it's Locke. So a very interesting thing for Kate to say, Nick, is we've talked before about the split in the groups between the beach and the caves, and then the different leaders and the Locke versus Jack dynamic. So I think this one will, Kate's quote is gonna come back around, I think, at some point in the future. I think that that is true.
00:31:56
Speaker
I think Jack is a great medic, but I think in the face of danger, I think you want Locke. I don't think that puts anything, like that doesn't mean Jack is a bad leader or doesn't mean that you wouldn't want to go with Jack. I picked Jack over Walt or Michael or Charlie, or actually, no, I would pick Hurley over Jack, but that's just because I love Hurley. Or Sawyer or Saeed, I picked, maybe Saeed, I don't know. But point being, Jack's really high up there, because he's a medic, right?
00:32:26
Speaker
But in this situation, I'm taking Said or Locke to be the safest with.
Theories and Character Rankings
00:32:32
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that's fair. um And then as we close out our episode, we flip to Boone and Locke out in the jungle. And Boone is saying, are we lost? I think the trail has gone cold a while ago. Don't you think we should head back? And Locke says, don't you feel it? And Boone's like, what? And Locke goes, it?
00:32:54
Speaker
And Boone then says he's going to go back to the camp and locks a suit yourself and tells him he needs the flashlight more than block does. And he tosses it to him. But Boone fails to catch it and it drops on something and they hear a metallic clank. So they've stumbled upon a mysterious steel structure buried in the ground.
00:33:14
Speaker
And Boone asks if it's part of the plane wreckage, but they then dig some dirt off the top. And Boone says, what is it? And Locke replies, that's what we're going to find out. And then we get the mysterious music and the fade to black. Lost. Oh, such a good ending. Such a good ending, but also I want to know what happened. I feel you. Another cliffhanger. Lost is great at episode ending cliffhangers.
00:33:40
Speaker
Dude, as soon as we're done with this recording, I think I'm gonna watch the next one. You should. I think like as soon as we're done with this, like literally, like as soon as we're done. yeah That sounds like a good way to end your night. Yeah.
00:33:55
Speaker
But yeah, what an episode. I mean, it's an intense episode, both on and off the island. Jack's backstory, it adds layers to his character, you know, kind of showing why he's driven to lead and save others. It also raises questions about his limits, what he's willing to sacrifice and and some of the things that you brought up. um Oh, the thing that I was going to say earlier, to your point about well, Jack should have gone back to be the doctor. I mean, there's there's multiple ways you could look at this, right? Like,
00:34:23
Speaker
Yes, that's probably true. Jack was definitely operating outside of of logic and and where he should have been operating mentally. However, they did find Charlie and had lock or someone else found Charlie in that state.
00:34:36
Speaker
would they have been known to keep pounding the chest to try to get the air to so work in the body, you know? Right. Okay, fair. I mean, you could also argue, well, if Jack hadn't been persistent and kept going after Ethan, that wouldn't have happened to Charlie. So there's a lot of different angles here for sure. But yeah, but yeah, how'd you feel about the pacing of this episode? And, you know, what was your overall, what are you going to rank this episode? I'm assuming it's like a nine and a half for you at least, right?
00:35:06
Speaker
It's a nine and a half at least. I'm going to say 9.65. Wow. I loved this episode. I thought it was so good. It's just, I feel like there's not really much to say because it was a constant intensity. And there wasn't necessarily like nothing really crazy was going on at the time. It's just, they did so good at keeping it intense and it made you feel in the moment.
00:35:31
Speaker
And then you have the John Locke and Jack Beef. ah You have the Sawyer and Said getting along. You have the Walt moments. You have the ending where Charlie somehow miraculously lives. And you have the creepy horror element with with Ethan being like, I will kill one of them if you continue to follow me. And how scary he is. He's so creepy. He's so scary. So that's that's my takeaway.
00:35:58
Speaker
Yeah, and then the ending like that that metallic structure in the ground. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So curious. Yeah, it's gonna be good. Awesome. Well, it's time for most love most hated the segment of our show where we talked about which characters are trending up or turning down. Who are we loving and who are we hating at the current moment? So toss it over to you, Nick. All right. Top three. Early Saeed. Oh, wait, wait, hold on. John Locke, early Saeed. All right. Honorable mention. Honorable mention. Sawyer. Really? Okay. Cool. Grown on me. He's grown on me. And then Jack is like somewhere in the middle. Bottom three, I'm going Ethan just because he's Ethan. I didn't hate Boone. I hated Boone that one episode, but Boone was good this episode. I liked Shannon because she actually like cared for her brother for once.
00:36:56
Speaker
I don't know, I feel like I don't really have a bottom three. I mean, I have Ethan, obviously. i Let's go Christian, Jack's dad, hated him.
00:37:07
Speaker
And, I mean, if I have to, I'll put Jack in the three there. Yeah, because we didn't even see Jin in this episode, I don't think, did we? No, we didn't see we didn't see Son or Jin. Or Rose, who has been gone for forever. I know, you're you're gonna have to write to producers and ask them where Rose went.
00:37:27
Speaker
I mean, really, where is she? All right, awesome. Yeah, I'm pretty aligned with that. Like Sawyer definitely, you know, as a character, like he's always been, he's always been very intriguing. I, the first time I watched Lost, I couldn't stand Sawyer in season one. As I rewatch it, like, I just have an appreciation for his character, though. And the constant one liners, the nicknames,
00:37:56
Speaker
Yeah. So yeah, he's he's intriguing. I agree. Michael still in my bottom, I think. Well, yeah, I'm just not a Michael fan. I see where you get that from now. This episode kind of opened my eyes. If I if I if I didn't hate Jack so much this episode, I think Michael would be down there too. Yeah, and and I'm with you the, you know, in this episode, Jack would probably be down in the bottom because this is probably his worst episode as a character on the island.
00:38:28
Speaker
even though there you know there are some good elements right like we see some of the off island stuff like he does he did the right thing he he makes the right choices when it comes to right and wrong in most cases which is yeah which is awesome like he definitely has some character but yeah
00:38:48
Speaker
All right, awesome. And then what are some theories, like obviously the metallic structure is one of the big ones here. Is there anything else that really stuck out this episode that you're adding to your list of unsolved mysteries? um I think they're gonna do something with the baby, Claire's baby. Okay. I don't know what, but I think they're gonna do something with the baby. I think Ethan is,
00:39:16
Speaker
I think Ethan knows about the island and its ability, but I think he's sort of honed, like like honed its power almost, like harnessed it a little bit, you know? Kind of like i how John Locke has, but Ethan sort of has been there longer. And I still think that Ethan is Alex. I still think that for now. ah still I'm still going with that. Okay. That's that's my...
00:39:44
Speaker
That's my little bit right now. and I take back my John Locke knowing or secretly being bad. Oh, you do? Okay. I take it back. All right. I think that's a fair take back. And now I think that Ethan was the one who knocked out Said, not John Locke. Okay.
Looking Ahead: Next Episode Predictions
00:40:05
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Gotcha.
00:40:06
Speaker
that That's awesome. I think that's a good theory. yeah Well, what a great episode. Thank you so much for tuning into the Lost with My Uncle podcast. Next time, we'll be discussing episode 12, which is titled Whatever the Case May Be. So Nick, you want to take a guess into who the character is? mcnes
00:40:30
Speaker
I'm going to ask Kate second episode. Great guess, and you nailed it. I think you got it right last week, too, didn't you? I did. Yeah. All right. You're two for two on that. I'm two for two.
00:40:44
Speaker
Awesome. Yeah. So listeners, be sure to watch it and join us for the discussion. And don't forget to subscribe, follow or leave a review, depending on where you're listening. And we will see you next time. Yeah, cannot wait.
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