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...And Found + Abandoned Recap
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This week centers on two emotional journeys. In ‘…And Found,’ Sun and Jin’s past reveals how their lives intertwined before the crash, while on the island, Michael risks everything to search for Walt. Then in ‘Abandoned,’ Shannon’s grief takes center stage as she struggles to find purpose and confronts eerie visions of Walt. Our uncle revisits the heartbreak these episodes delivered, while Nick experiences the shock of one of Season 2’s most tragic moments.
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Introduction and Podcast Premise
00:00:21
Speaker
Terrific. You're listening to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. I'm Aaron DS and I'll be rewatching Lost along with my nephew Nick who will be watching it for the very first time.
00:00:37
Speaker
So come along with us and enjoy the journey.
00:00:42
Speaker
Let's get lost. Let's get lost.
Discussion on 'Lost' Experience and Mistrust
00:00:51
Speaker
Hello and welcome back to The Lost With My Uncle, a Lost Rewatch and First Timers podcast. I'm Aaron DS and I am a proud millennial who is rewatching Lost for like the fifth time now.
00:01:05
Speaker
and I am Nick, the nephew who somehow convinced himself that the button in the hatch isn't going to cause total chaos. I have trust issues now.
00:01:16
Speaker
Yeah, for
Highlight of Episodes 5 and 6: Emotional Plotlines
00:01:17
Speaker
sure. And we're diving into episodes five and six today, which are going to only make those trust issues worse. And let me tell you, these two episodes going to take us all on an emotional roller coaster. We've got love stories, wedding rings, jungle pursuits, and well, let's just say tissues might be required.
00:01:37
Speaker
So you're telling me my feelings are going to get hurt again? I'm still recovering from, you know, Boone and, you know, all of that jazz. Even though I didn't really like him that much, still, I'm recovering from his loss.
00:01:53
Speaker
Sure, yeah. It's hard. Anytime you lose one of your main characters, it's a tough one, so...
Audience Engagement: Feedback and Questions
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Speaker
As always, we love hearing your feedback listeners. So feel free to send us your comments and questions to lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com. Again, that's lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com.
00:02:13
Speaker
So without further ado, let's get lost with episodes five and six. Let's get lost.
Symbolism of Sun's Lost Wedding Ring
00:02:20
Speaker
So episode five is titled and found and is a son and gin centric episode. And it opens with something that immediately got my attention. Nick son is frantically searching the beach for her wedding ring.
00:02:35
Speaker
I mean, my first thought was like, not the wedding ring, like, and take anything else. I mean, you know how important it is to her and how her relationship with gin And it was like kind of a bad omen, especially with Jin being, you know, with the tail section or the ah or the other survivors and Michael being insane.
00:03:02
Speaker
And I kind of understand where you're coming from with your Michael hate from this episode. I'm getting to know why you dislike him. I understand. Right.
00:03:14
Speaker
Do I still think he's like, i think you hate him too much, and he um he probably gets worse. But for me right now, he's okay, but I can see why he's trending down.
00:03:28
Speaker
Sure, yeah. Well, this is a lock the lips, throw away the key moment, so that's all I'll say about that. Okay.
Tail Section Survivors' Leadership Dynamics
00:03:38
Speaker
But before we get back to Sun's Ring Crisis, we need to talk about what's happening with our tail section group.
00:03:44
Speaker
So they're leaving the aero station. This episode definitely focused on them a lot, which was great. or These two episodes really focused on them a lot. yeah And that Dharma bunker, the aero station that they were hiding in, they're running low on food and water, and they're ready to make a change.
00:04:00
Speaker
I mean... Anna Lucia makes the decision that they need to head to the beach camp where we know our survivors are at. This whole expedition with Michael, Sawyer, Jin, Anna Lucia, Libby, Mr. Echo, all the folks. I mean, that's kind of all we, oh, and Bernard.
00:04:20
Speaker
Bernard, can't forget about Bernard. And then a few people that we don't really care about. Right. Some extras, if you will. Yeah. And then Sawyer's still dealing with that gunshot wound, which is getting more and more infected. So he's not exactly in hiking condition, but Anna Lucia, once again, is sort of that dictator type of leader. And she's made the decision that she wants them safe at the other beach camp or where she thinks they could be safe.
00:04:49
Speaker
Yeah, and and you can tell she's super-duper nervous about leaving there their bunker. She knows how dangerous you know the others are on this side of the island because, as we find out, they've dealt with them.
00:05:02
Speaker
Yeah, and obviously when you're watching it initially, you don't have that context. We don't have that full picture and understanding. Mm-hmm, right.
Sun and Jin's Meeting: Flashback Analysis
00:05:12
Speaker
And then over on Losty Beach, Jack comes over and sees that son is upset and struggling over the wedding ring. And he tells a story about his own ring, how he lost it, never found it, had to secretly buy a replacement without Sarah knowing. And that was such a touching moment of understanding between the two of them.
00:05:30
Speaker
I agree, but I also disagree. vicoga ah Because i think that he was trying to help, but in the end, he like he kind of just rambled on for a little bit and then was like, oh like like he's like oh yeah, I never found it.
00:05:47
Speaker
And she was like, oh. You know? Yeah, that's fair. could see that.
00:05:54
Speaker
But before we get a little bit deeper into you know our island stuff, Can we at least mention the flashbacks a little bit? Because they're phenomenal.
00:06:06
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but Yeah. Like, actually phenomenal. For sure. Yeah, and so we kind of get the story of how Sun and Jin first met. Obviously, we've had other flashback episodes with them, but it's just been pieces of things here and there.
00:06:20
Speaker
And in this episode, it's told through some parallel storylines. We've got Sun who's being set up on a sort of traditional arranged type of matchmaking date. And she meets this wealthy, charming guy named Jay Lee.
00:06:36
Speaker
And Jin, on the opposite end, is preparing for a job interview at a fancy hotel, living in his tiny apartment with his roommate. And the contrast of their worlds and how they come together is wild.
00:06:51
Speaker
Yes. And Sun's showing up to, you know, the upscale restaurant. Jay Lee is... This handsome guy, everything her parents would want, rich, educated, sophisticated, but not really sure if there's a park there.
00:07:05
Speaker
Right. And a detail that I really like to so focus on is the fact that Jen's roommate tells me he's going to find love soon and that its color will be orange.
00:07:17
Speaker
I super duper love that detail because yeah it pops up at the end of the episode. like in like the final flashback, but it actually pops up, and this could be me reading into things, because it's lost, but Sun and Jaylee are drinking orange juice when they first talk.
00:07:39
Speaker
Ah. Which might be a little nod to something later at the restaurant. Mm-hmm. I didn't catch that. So...
00:07:51
Speaker
Jin nails his job interview. This episode gets hired as a doorman at the hotel and he's told not to let people like him into the hotel. But after ah dad walks up and he's like, my little boy's got to Jin gives in, lets him go in there. And then he's warned by the hotel owner and ends up quitting on the spot. And here's where the magic happens in the flashback.
00:08:14
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So Sun is also in parallel. She's at the restaurant with Jay Lee. And we do feel like she is pretty taken with him. And then he tells her that he's going to be asking another girl to marry him.
00:08:28
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And so she literally runs out of the restaurant down to the water's edge.
Character Interactions and Survival Tactics
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I mean, it's soul-crushing. And she runs right into Jin, who has just quit his job, and he turns to look at this he turns to look at this woman in an orange dress, and you would think it would be Sun, but no.
00:08:46
Speaker
Because he looks away, he bumps in into Sun, and it's like the universe is telling them, you know, you're supposed to meet. And the music in this scene was just perfect.
00:08:57
Speaker
It's this very... Romantic theme that will become Sun and Jin's love theme throughout the series. And just the way they look at each other and the way Sun's son's eyes when she first noticed Jin's eyes was just such a cool change that came over her.
00:09:13
Speaker
it's It's really pure. And i really like the way that the episode cuts between their love stories and the flashbacks and how much Sun wants that wedding ring.
00:09:27
Speaker
It's kind of like it's their whole relationship being threatened. too and that you know last time we saw them together they had that big old fight and then now and like it it almost seems like their love has come back maybe not Jin's because we haven't really seen much of Jin missing Sun we got a little bit of that in this episode but it was mainly Sun focused yeah for sure and on Island I also love some of the character combos this episode you know we've talked a lot about this in the past of how Lost does a great job of
00:09:58
Speaker
sort of segmenting characters into smaller groups of interaction and and sometimes it's characters that don't interact a lot. So we had some first we had some Sun and Hurley. So what do you think about that combo?
00:10:10
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Unexpected, but I love literally every single second of it. and Hurley has his like Hurley energy and Sun is like, I don't want to talk to you.
00:10:23
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Yeah, but it works. um And it it feels like Hurley's the only one that can make like an awkward kind of task or um talk feel comforting.
00:10:38
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He's trying to solve the mystery of where the ring is by learning more about Sun in Korea. Also, while thinking, you know, in typical Hurley fashion, that Vincent ate it And has to now poop it out.
00:10:53
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Yeah, that was great. And then Locke also shows up in this episode with his signature jungle guru wisdom. The dude sees Sun digging holes on the beach. like She's searching for buried treasure and just strolls up all calm and cryptic. And he's like, you know, ah used to get angry too.
00:11:11
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i was lost, but I'm not lost anymore. And she's like, well, how'd that happen? And he said, I decided to stop looking. And like anything lost that gets found, I got found. So pretty crazy.
Jungle Expedition and Language Barriers
00:11:24
Speaker
I mean, he drops that info like it's nothing and then just gives her the Locke grin. i feel like Locke solves a lot of problems, like or wants to solve a lot of problems, at least with Claire and the baby, Charlie and his addiction, son and this, you know, Jack and his belief in logic.
00:11:42
Speaker
You know, I feel like he's always trying to help out, and I really, really, really appreciate that. And what i what I will actually say is something that I noticed throughout this episode with everything that happened with Sun, Sun had four different interactions, interactions with four different people.
00:12:00
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Jack, Locke, Hurley, and Kate. And they were all completely different interactions, which I thought was really cool to see how different characters handled it in different ways.
00:12:13
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Like Jack's approach, you know, with the kind of like talking about how he never found it. And then he's like, I can help you look early trying to get the dog to poop out the ring. yeah Locke, instead of helping her find the ring, kind of accept that it's lost and that she's not going to find it for a while.
00:12:31
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And Kate, just not even thinking about Sun, really. i mean she was kind of thinking for herself when she was talking about like Sawyer and all that. But then she stumbled upon it. So, you know, I thought those different interactions were really, really, really cool.
00:12:49
Speaker
Absolutely, yeah. And while Sun's having her ring crisis, we've got Michael, Sawyer, and Jyn with the tail section survivors, and Michael is being, from my perspective, well, Michael.
Michael's Emotional Quest for His Son
00:13:04
Speaker
Yeah, it was annoying. Michael, you make it hard for me to like you because you just take off into the jungle, and then, like, you're Parzan, and then you're you're screaming your signature line,
00:13:21
Speaker
Walt! Yep. Walt! When you're supposed to be quiet. Like the one thing that you're supposed to do.
00:13:30
Speaker
Yeah. Now you have to give it to Harold Perrin, the actor. You know, he really commits to the the desperation and sells it.
00:13:40
Speaker
And then we get this tense standoff this episode also between Jyn and Mr. Echo. Like they are nose to nose throwing punches and neither one of them really backs down. Right?
00:13:52
Speaker
Jin kind of sticking up and saying, you let my guy run off. And Echo's just like a brick. Like he's you know wall of judgment.
00:14:03
Speaker
And quiet judgment at that.
00:14:07
Speaker
Yeah. But then there's also this other side of Echo and and all of a sudden he's like, come on, it's this way. He actually went this way, you know, as Jin's trying to run off and suddenly turns it into this buddy tracking type of mission and Anna Lucia's like, you're gonna go after their friend?
00:14:29
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And he's like, I'm going to help him find his friend.
00:14:33
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gonna say it right now. Mr. Echo is in my top three for this week. I'm not telling you where Yes. yeah i freaking love Mr. Echo.
00:14:47
Speaker
Like, seriously, love Mr. Echo. Yes. And I i mean, i love Jin trying to communicate with Anna Lucia and the other survivors.
00:15:00
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i think the actor does such a great job of showing, like, Jin's frustration. you know with the with the language barrier, but also, like, he's got that language barrier, but he still wants to help. And I actually, that's why I think Jin is so much higher for me than I would have expected him to be, is because, like, I can actually, you know, like, get that emotion through him.
00:15:30
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. And Daniel Dae Kim, you're right, just knocked that out of the park. So good.
00:15:38
Speaker
And then Jin and Mr. Echo have a ah fun little adventure together where Jin first gets knocked over by a wild boar and lands right next to a dead man who Echo shares was named Goodwin.
00:15:51
Speaker
And Jin's like, other? And then they actually encounter a group of barefoot adults. They go hide in the bushes. And this group of barefoot adults and children who are dragging teddy bears and walking silently through the jungle and Boy oh boy, Nick, have we finally met some others?
00:16:12
Speaker
I don't know. i want okay I want to say what the show does by creating the others is it's so vague and can apply to so many different things.
00:16:30
Speaker
yeah I love it. I love every single second of it. That being said,
Nick's Theory on Multiple 'Others': Show Mysteries
00:16:38
Speaker
I think this was the others. I think these were the others. Okay.
00:16:46
Speaker
See, now I'm confused. Uh-oh. Okay, wait, hold on. All right, I think there's two groups of others. And I know I said this before. i going to say it again.
00:16:57
Speaker
i think there's two groups of others. Okay. Danielle's group of others. The smart ones. The ones from the Dharma... Yes, the ones that were on the boat that took Walt.
00:17:11
Speaker
The ones that I believe were sent for the Dharma Initiative.
00:17:17
Speaker
ah Then you have where where i'm what I'm going to call the other others, which are very more nature-oriented.
00:17:28
Speaker
Cave people. Cave people, correct. That I think were on the island before... ah people from the Dharma Initiative got there.
00:17:39
Speaker
Okay. i like Or, I'm going to go one step further and say that the other others are just others that got sick.
00:17:54
Speaker
Quote, quote. Man, that's a lot of others. Yeah, i know. i so I said it a lot of times. But, getting back on track, Jin and Echo, this episode, fantastic.
00:18:06
Speaker
You know, and, um you know, I really like, you know, the the kind of relationship that Michael and Jin have where Michael's yelling, whoa, and, you know, Jin's like, that's that's not a good idea. Like, sit up.
00:18:23
Speaker
Like that kind of stuff. And then, you know, what did stress me out, though, was when Echo says, know, wait here, I'm going to find his trail again. that's when Michael shows up.
00:18:35
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Thankfully, Echo was there, but, I mean, i got stressed. I thought he was gonna either leave Jyn there to die, or i thought, you know, something bad was gonna happen. was goingnna happen Yeah.
00:18:52
Speaker
You wanna know how I know something bad didn't happen?
Sun Finds Her Ring: Emotional Connection
00:18:57
Speaker
It wasn't raining. That is true. And we will get into that in the next episode.
00:19:04
Speaker
Yes, we will. But yeah, Echo and Jen, awesome dynamics this episode. and And in that scene specifically, when Echo does show back up and Michael's yelling, Walt!
00:19:18
Speaker
Echo obviously also feels the pain of whatever they've been through as a group because he's like, it's not a good idea for you to be doing that, man. right You have no idea what these people are capable of.
00:19:30
Speaker
Yeah. And I loved how The whole interaction ended with Michael kind of breaking down and being like, like they took him from me and I'm not going back without him.
00:19:44
Speaker
And think I don't really know what Jin said like exactly, but he said the right thing because it was really powerful and it like convinced Michael like, you know, we're going back. Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:59
Speaker
yeah Yeah, I forget exactly what he said, but something to the effect of, we will find Walt, or something like that.
00:20:09
Speaker
And then we get to the ending of the episode, which is just perfect. Kate is with Sun again, and starts digging up the message bottles, and they have some conversation about how she didn't get a chance to say goodbye to Sawyer, so that came back up.
00:20:22
Speaker
And then they find Sun's ring, where she had buried the bottle in the last episode. Yeah, it was pretty obvious that it was going to be there, obviously. We all knew this.
00:20:34
Speaker
Oh, yeah. And then the episode ends with Sun clutching her ring, sitting next to Kate, looking out at the ocean, obviously thinking about Jin. Meanwhile, Jin's probably not that far away, but he's a few miles away with the tail section people and and missing her as well.
00:20:50
Speaker
I mean, i i think this episode kind of just gave us an insight to their relationship even more, and you know like We've seen them fight and have their problems, but you know seeing their love story like shows you why they're worth rooting for. And I feel like at the beginning of the show, i had Jin really far down in the dumps, and I didn't really care for Sun.
00:21:15
Speaker
And I'm actually very invested in their storyline now after some more of learning their story.
Episode 5 Ranking and Character Pacing
00:21:24
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. And the title, And Found, works on so many levels.
00:21:30
Speaker
Sun finds her ring, Michael's trying to find Walt, and we find out how Sun and Jin found each other. that was cool. Yeah. I didn't even notice that. Yeah.
00:21:43
Speaker
Awesome. Any last thoughts before we move into episode six? me think.
00:21:51
Speaker
I love that we got a lot of echo engine this episode. I think that was actually the highlight of the episode for me is. Yeah. um And like I said, the last podcast episode, we didn't. I mean, I'm interested in the island stuff, but I'm really, really, really interested in what's going on with the Michael Sawyer gin group.
00:22:11
Speaker
yeah super super super interested in all that so i'm glad that we got a lot of it these two episodes really we got a lot of it super duper duper glad i think if i i if i had to say i'm gonna start doing this where i compare the two episodes that we we watched yeah i probably would say that i liked this one a little bit better than the following one okay And I think that's just because this kind of kept me on the edge of my seat a little bit versus the other one, which didn't until the very, very of the next episode. But I still really appreciated this, you know, both episodes.
00:22:52
Speaker
I really liked this one. i It might be a high praise for now, but i think this might be my second favorite one so far.
00:23:05
Speaker
Okay. Maybe third, because I might have a drift over it. Gotcha. Which would be kind of crazy that I have Man of Science versus Man of Faith fourth out of this season so far, and some people consider that one to be one of the greatest in the show.
00:23:21
Speaker
So, I don't know. I think it's just my personal preference with it, is the characters that I really like. But, anyway, those are my thoughts. I don't think I have anything else. If I do, I'll let you know.
00:23:36
Speaker
Okay. One question I was thinking of as we were chatting through that, would you say that as far as Sun and Jyn episodes go, is And Found probably your favorite episode with them?
00:23:48
Speaker
For sure. I loved seeing both sides, actually. Because the Sun episode, yeah The Jyn episode, okay. Like, I liked it better than the Sun episode.
00:24:03
Speaker
i Like, you know, personally. Mm-hmm. Both of them loved. And I think, honestly, this this might sound, I'm going to be careful with how phrase this, because I don't want it sound like I don't like this character.
00:24:19
Speaker
Yeah. I think we got a lot of screen time with Echo and Jin. Loved it. ah Phenomenal. I think you could probably say we got about a 70-30 split with, you know, ah other survivors and, you know, on-island people.
00:24:38
Speaker
And I think that's really, really, really fitting. Like, if i feel like if i feel like if they gave us more sun, I feel like I wouldn't have liked the episode as much.
00:24:50
Speaker
Gotcha. I think the ring plot, while it's a very, very good plot, and it, like, you know, shows how much they love each other, it's not enough to be more than that 30% of the episode, you know?
00:25:06
Speaker
Yeah, no, Like, you couldn't drag that out to be, like, 50%, you know, because then I would get so bored with it. So I think they did that perfectly, and also showing a little bit of Sun's angry side as well when she's tearing up the garden. I mean, amazing for that actress as well.
00:25:25
Speaker
and i Fantastic. Yeah. that That's what I'll say about it. is I think I really liked the pacing of this episode specifically. Yeah. Yeah, it was a great episode for sure.
00:25:39
Speaker
Awesome. Well, let's get into episode six, which was titled Abandoned and is a Shannon-centric episode.
Shannon's Character Exploration
00:25:48
Speaker
And Nick, should I have prepared you for this one emotionally?
00:25:51
Speaker
Boo! I still don't like Shannon.
00:26:01
Speaker
So even after this episode, you you still weren't a fan? I don't care. okay. I'll, you know, i'll I'll get into it when we get into the episode. But I know what you're doing, too. You're doing that thing where you get all super serious for the podcast as if our reader or thefe our listeners don't know what really happened.
00:26:22
Speaker
And no, you don't need to prepare me for this one because hate Shannon. shannon And obviously I don't wish death upon any character. Dot, dot, dot.
00:26:35
Speaker
yeah But, you know, I think I would be a little more upset if I if i actually cared for Shannon. I will say, the ah the end, very, very shocking, and they nailed it.
00:26:49
Speaker
Cherry on top. Yes. Amazing ending. Very shocking. No matter how you feel about Shannon as character, it's Powerful.
00:27:02
Speaker
So this episode opens with Shannon heading off with Saeed on the beach for a romantic night away from our other survivors. Saeed has put in a lot of time, put a tent up away from everybody else.
00:27:13
Speaker
He's got the picnic in the sand and all that going on. And these two are really clicking, much to your chagrin, Nick. And Saeed even talks about why he carries the gun all the time, and it's because he has found someone to protect.
00:27:28
Speaker
Whoa.
00:27:33
Speaker
I forgot they were a thing. it had been so long with our season one break and they haven't even talked about it in season two yet. I forgot they were a thing. turned it on my TV and I almost threw up.
00:27:47
Speaker
I forgot. I hate them as a couple so much. I hate H A T e Hate them as a couple so much.
00:27:59
Speaker
and and all And we had to see them kiss this episode too. Like, God, it's just the worst. so on Okay, i will I'm going off on a side rant for two seconds.
00:28:12
Speaker
Saeed, get that you're on an island and it's deserted and whatever. Cut your fingernails. Jeez. ah ah They are so long. Have you seen them? like she He was grabbing her face and he was like Wolverine with those claws.
00:28:30
Speaker
I was like, you're going to like you're gonna hurt her. oh my God. Like, okay. Like I get that, all like but they have to have nail clippers somewhere because if you look at some of these other characters, some of these other characters don't have these long fingernails.
00:28:44
Speaker
It's just him. Or you would think that, you know, Saeed's skilled enough that he could, he probably has a knife that he could cut them off with. Exactly! Anyway, and i feel like the romance was so forced to this episode, too.
00:28:59
Speaker
Oh, I hate them as a couple. Keep talking. Keep talking. I'm done. All right. You've made your presence felt this episode. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Meanwhile, we've got our tail section group making their way across the island with Sawyer getting sicker and sicker from his
Sawyer's Condition and Group Dynamics
00:29:16
Speaker
gunshot wound. And currently they're waiting for Mr. Echo's return, who has gone after Michael.
00:29:21
Speaker
Sawyer again with some great dialogue with Anna Lucia this episode and really accusing her of being lost and saying, well, tell us, Ponce de Leon, which way should we go? Love.
00:29:34
Speaker
Love. Me too. Love. I mean... Okay. I'm gonna say this. At the end of the day, Sawyer might not be in my top whatever amount of characters, but when he hits, he skyrockets.
00:29:56
Speaker
He skyrockets. I think... Oh, yeah. I also think if I were to rewatch the show... Like, in like like i would I would watch the show, you know, do this podcast, and then wait it, like, a year, and I'd probably rewatch it, and after rewatching it, I probably would have Sawyer a lot higher.
00:30:17
Speaker
That's what happens for me. I already have him fairly high. I think he would go even higher. I think he would actually skyrocket above some other characters.
00:30:28
Speaker
Because I always have Locke and Hurley up there. And I don't want to say that they're there just for like, you know, they're there because they're there. Because I actually do really love their characters.
00:30:40
Speaker
I have not had the feeling. Walkabout, honestly, I don't remember where I put Walkabout on my... um um I put it in my number two spot. I put it tied with Special, I think.
00:30:51
Speaker
um on my overall episode ranking, no episode has made me feel the amount of giddy and excitement that Walkabout did. Right. i And that, for me, has cemented John Locke as, like, one of the best characters in the show.
00:31:08
Speaker
By far. Yeah. And then Hurley, I mean, Hurley's just Hurley. It's as simple as that. So, Sawyer... seriously, i think, you know, has the best dialogue.
00:31:26
Speaker
He does. he He really does. I think he would be super higher. if if ah like i I never will be able to give him the amount of credit that he actually deserves. Anyway. Michael ah shows back up with Echo at a very convenient time of Sawyer saying, Michael only cares about himself and his kid.
00:31:46
Speaker
And Mr. Echo is, you know, pushing Anna Lucia to move faster. And you can tell he's a little shaken up after seeing the others. Okay, sorry, let me rephrase. The other others.
00:31:58
Speaker
The other others. Yeah. Yeah. And then back Saeed and Shannon. She sees Walt again, soaking wet Walt, whispering or speaking backwards, trying to warn her about something.
Shannon's Visions and Eerie Atmosphere
00:32:11
Speaker
Okay, why is Walt always wet? And why is he so creepy? Did he drown? Did he drown? I'm not at liberty to say. He didn't drown. He didn't drown. I'm sorry. I can't say one way or the other.
00:32:25
Speaker
i need answers. That's all. That's what I'll say is I need answers because I don't. Walt's freaking me out, man. and I'm sure we'll we'll find out something at some point.
00:32:38
Speaker
And Shannon's very convinced this episode that Walt needs her help and she's the only one who can see him. So she's trying to get Saeed to buy into that. but he's worried that she's having some kind of breakdown.
00:32:51
Speaker
Which, to be fair, the missing boy from the raft appeared to me soaking wet in my tent. okay Right. And then we have the the sign, you know, the Charlie and Claire walking up as this happens and Saeed saying Shannon had a dream and immediately following the most annoying character in the world, Charlie, trying to give Claire, mother, advice on mothering.
00:33:19
Speaker
Yeah. And not waking the baby. Okay. I'm going to go on another rant. There's already been one rant this episode. I'm going on another Or actually, no, not a rant. This is more of a connection.
00:33:30
Speaker
I find it interesting that the only few dreams or visions that have been had in this show are all so influential. um Especially Saeed telling Claire Shannon had a nightmare.
00:33:46
Speaker
I think Claire should be like, No, she didn't. Especially she should, because after everything that happened with, you know, the baby and how everyone was saying, you just had a nightmare.
00:33:58
Speaker
No, Ethan was trying to take her freaking baby. So I think Shannon should have kind of stepped in a little bit there. Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:08
Speaker
And then we start getting into Shannon's flashbacks for the episode, which show us a completely different side of
Shannon's Past as a Dance Instructor
00:34:14
Speaker
her character. Obviously, that didn't seem to make too big of an impact for how you felt about her.
00:34:19
Speaker
oh Yeah. We see her as a dance instructor in New York, which... Honestly, when I first saw those kids, I thought she might be one of them.
00:34:30
Speaker
um But, you know, she seems normal and... and you Yeah, not the not the bitter Shannon that we've come to know.
00:34:43
Speaker
he um She's teaching kids. She's genuinely good at it. She's patient, encouraging, and you know really seems to love what she does. and It's a huge contrast to the privileged island princess image that we've had of her.
00:34:56
Speaker
Exactly. um it's um it's It's very, very, very weird. She gets this call that her dad has been and an accident and everything fall but falls apart.
00:35:07
Speaker
She dies and her stepmother cuts her off financially after the funeral and tells her she needs to get a job to support herself. Then her stepmother takes all the money from the trust fund and says there's no will.
00:35:25
Speaker
I have a theory.
00:35:29
Speaker
are Are you listening to this theory? Because it's important. I am, yeah. I'm ready. I think. I think. And this honestly could be a super-duper-duper huge stretch, and it probably is.
00:35:45
Speaker
And I think you'll probably debunk this right after I say it. Okay. I think that Adam, Shannon's dad, ah got into the car crash with Sarah.
00:36:00
Speaker
And Jack chose to save Sarah instead of Adam in that one scene where they both come in. Hmm. That's my theory. i think, I don't know if, the only thing where I say I think you can debunk it is I don't know if Jack was in New York ever.
00:36:19
Speaker
I don't know where he lived. Yeah, he was in Los Angeles. That's what I was going to say. He might have been in Los Angeles when this happened. But maybe Adam was in Los Angeles for work. ah Maybe. I'm not going to debunk anything because, you know, I don't at this point the show, I don't know that we have enough evidence either way. So even if I know something, I'm not debunking here.
00:36:40
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. I think that's a solid theory. Okay. All right. It's good. Yeah, and miss Miss Rutherford, or I don't know, i don't I never know if it's proper to call the Mrs. Rutherford once they're a widow or if it switches back to Miss. I don't know.
00:37:01
Speaker
We'll call her the Rutherford. She is terrible. She's a terrible human. Yeah. She'll show up in our bottom for this episode. Yep. Yep. You know, so her taking the money, Shannon's like, i do have a job.
00:37:16
Speaker
But her stepmother just dismisses it like it doesn't matter. And then Shannon also has this cool internship that she's trying to get accepted into. But her stepmom just says no and she's not giving her anything.
00:37:31
Speaker
ah Extremely harsh, by the way.
00:37:35
Speaker
Yeah, and it it leads to one of the more heartbreaking scenes in regards to Shannon's backstory, no matter how you feel about her, right?
Shannon and Boone: Unresolved Issues
00:37:43
Speaker
Like, she goes to Moon for help. And he asks his mother for the money on her behalf, but shows up to Shannon's place and he's like, she said no, she must have figured out what I was doing. So in essence, we can kind of see the reasons why Shannon is where she is in that first flashback episode and why she was doing anything possible to get money out of her stepmother.
00:38:07
Speaker
Yes, this is true. And we see on the island, current scenario with Saeed, in like the way that she needs Saeed to believe her.
00:38:19
Speaker
You know, it's a very big parallel. Yes. She never felt like Boone believed in her, you know, to get out on her own and be successful at something. So we see that come out.
00:38:31
Speaker
Exactly. It sort of recontextualizes Boone and Shannon's whole relationship. Shannon wasn't just being a spoiled brat. She was genuinely hurt by someone she trusted and and never felt like that belief.
00:38:44
Speaker
Yeah, and it makes Boone's death really, really sad. i mean, they didn't really get to work really through their issues entirely.
00:38:55
Speaker
and I mean, that sucks. And I didn't like Boone, but that sucks. For sure.
00:39:04
Speaker
And then back to our tailies. Sawyer gets to know Libby a little bit, and they have a fun conversation about how his arm is about to fall off, and he finds out from Libby that she's a clinical psychologist.
00:39:17
Speaker
Yeah, so ah that's going to get interesting if she ever meets up with Jack. That's true. And on the beach, we got a lot more Hurley and Rose this episode. Rose!
00:39:30
Speaker
Everything. If I see Rose, period. It's a good episode. Yeah. That's my mind that's my viewpoint. We find out that Rose hates the hatch.
00:39:43
Speaker
Good for you, Rose. Good for you. And then Shannon comes up and she's like, didn't work Walt.
00:39:54
Speaker
Michael left their clothes. And Rose just like, yeah, they're over there. And she has Vincent smell him to go try and find Walt. Which is actually not a horrible idea.
00:40:07
Speaker
But another theory. Okay. I don't think Vincent picked up Walt's scent.
00:40:15
Speaker
Picked up Michael's scent. oh I'm a genius. You are. Truly a genius.
Vincent's Scent Tracking and Camp Interactions
00:40:26
Speaker
Yeah, that was that was very interesting. And it's also interesting how they ended up going right by Boone's grave first and obviously spent some time there um with some of the Saeed conversations and whatnot.
00:40:38
Speaker
Also, back to the hatch. You mentioned the hatch. We got a bit of a reprieve from the hatch these two episodes. didn't Didn't spend much time. Yeah, got break. we were ah you got break Which is, you know, fine.
00:40:55
Speaker
i don't i don't mind. I mean, I miss it, but, you know, it's okay. Yeah. And I guarantee you we will be right back to it and have lots of additional Hatch stuff.
00:41:08
Speaker
I hope so.
00:41:11
Speaker
And then on Island, we also have Claire struggling to get baby Aaron to sleep. And we have this cool scene. Locke, of course, is a baby whisperer. And he's very good at swaddling babies. And he's giving advice and helping out.
00:41:26
Speaker
Yeah, again, impressed by Locke at, you know, how he's amazing at everything. And then Claire is feeling bad about being a mom, which is, like, horrible.
00:41:38
Speaker
And she feels like Charlie is trying to play dad. And, you know, she's like, oh, I didn't know he was so religious. With the Virgin Mary statue. Which we know has heroin in it.
00:41:53
Speaker
And this is where Locke finds out that Charlie took one. And he is, like, you can see the gears turn in Locke's head. Like, you can really see him figure it out.
00:42:04
Speaker
And he's like, ah okay. How about that? Yep, he's like, what's my next move here? he And then also super awkward when Charlie came back and, you know, sees Locke swaddling the baby and hanging out with Claire. Yeah,
00:42:23
Speaker
Charlie didn't seem to like that.
00:42:28
Speaker
And like, Charlie, you don't own her, you know? Like, you're not even like, you're not a couple or anything. Like, this is nothing. this is nothing And, you know, like, Locke, ah like, a scene later, tries to semi-apologize.
00:42:44
Speaker
And Charlie is talking about Claire needing to be responsible. Yeah. And and and Locke hits him with a... Well, that's very interesting, coming from a heroin addict.
00:42:57
Speaker
Yep. Immediately. Fantastic. Yeah. And Charlie, you know, very... I don't know if reluctantly is the right word, but just very passively says recovering.
00:43:11
Speaker
So yeah, that was a great scene. And I'm sure we'll see Charlie in your most loved death this episode. Totally joking, of course. Yeah. And back to our tailies, we get this important conversation where Michael asks Anna Lucia, listen, y'all are really paranoid. What happened to you people?
00:43:31
Speaker
Actually, great Michael moment. Kind of redeemed him a little bit from last episode. He's kind of noticing how paranoid and materialistic they are compared to our beach survivors, and he wants to know what happened.
00:43:45
Speaker
And we get a cool scene where Anna Lucia starts explaining how they they lost people. ah She talks about how the others came the first night, took three people, came back two weeks later, think took another three and then took nine more. And she says they are smart and and animal-like, and they can be anywhere at any time.
00:44:06
Speaker
Yeah. ah That was dark. Our group had monster problems. They had ah hunted by others. And I like how Anna Lucia says, you took, I think she's talking to Echo, and she says, like, you took us into their jungle.
00:44:21
Speaker
where they thrive. It makes you really feel like it's a game of cat and mouse and the, and they're, the they're the mouse. Yeah, for sure.
Anna Lucia's Leadership and Past Traumas
00:44:32
Speaker
and it kind of explains why Anna Lucia is so when we get to the end of the episode, so trigger happy and also controlling she's been in this survival mode. And while our losties were building golf courses and having beach parties, ah they were getting picked off one by one and they,
00:44:48
Speaker
course, Michael with his tunnel vision says, they took my son. Well, they took a lot of things, you know, like. Yeah. Like read the room.
00:45:00
Speaker
Sawyer's dying. and the other others are a threat. And you're making it even harder than it has to be. Yeah.
00:45:09
Speaker
And on another note, Josh Holloway's performance of Sawyer getting weaker and more delirious is really good in this episode. Yeah. You can see him. trying to hide how bad he feels, but he's clearly in serious trouble.
00:45:23
Speaker
And Echo is so nice. Offering to carry him, and I loved interaction where where he had with Anna Lucia, where she asks if he would risk their lives for people they don't know, and he's like, that's the only way I know.
00:45:37
Speaker
Love Echo. So good. And Jin was also awesome, you know, despite the language barrier, you're trying to help Sawyer, and he and Michael, and... Echo carrying Sawyer on a homemade stretcher.
00:45:48
Speaker
Fantastic. I thought that Sawyer may have died there, and I would have lost my mind. i might have been done with the show. I might have been done with the show. If they kill off Sawyer like that, I might have been done with the show.
00:46:02
Speaker
I hear you, but as we have started to see, nobody's safe. Yeah. This is true. But yeah, i loved Echo and Jin again in this episode also, and The group manages to get that stretcher up a steep viney hill. Like it reminded me of our early season where they were on one of their original jungle tracks and you've got that cool musical piece playing in the background we hadn't heard in a few minutes. So that was cool.
00:46:31
Speaker
And at the top though, they find out as they turn around, the Cindy from their group has just disappeared and echo and the others then hear whispers and Anna Lucia is like, run.
00:46:46
Speaker
Yeah, so how did Cindy just get lost? Like, what happened? Yeah, I don't know. She's just like, what happened to her? I mean, i mean we don't really care. i mean, this ah this is Cindy.
00:46:59
Speaker
The first time I'm hearing that name. You know, like, don't care too much. I still have no idea what... Oh, actually. Actually, i don't know if you remember back to season one.
00:47:12
Speaker
he Cindy was the flight attendant on the plane that served Jack the drink. hope Dang, I didn't know that.
00:47:23
Speaker
So, I mean, you may still not care, but I thought that was pretty cool. I don't care still, but that's ah you know that makes me care a tiny bit more. Right. Wow. Okay. I didn't know that.
00:47:34
Speaker
Still have no idea what the whispers are. I'm not even going to make a prediction because I've got no, I don't think the others can't do that. You know, I have no clue what those whispers are.
00:47:47
Speaker
No. Yeah. i mean, you wouldn't think that they could do that, but you know what? i can I'm just going to go out. I'm going out on a woman saying it's the island. The island itself.
00:47:58
Speaker
yeah
00:48:01
Speaker
Why does it... Yeah, there's so many questions with it, though. like Then why does it tend to happen when the others are involved or there's something going on out in the jungle with the others?
00:48:12
Speaker
I don't know. Yeah, I hear you. I don't know. so
00:48:20
Speaker
And then back at the main camp, Shannon is still convinced that she needs to go into the jungle to find
Shannon's Tragic Death and Emotional Impact
00:48:26
Speaker
Walt. Saeed's trying to talk her out of it, but she is super determined and Saeed just won't say that he believes that she actually saw Walt.
00:48:35
Speaker
Yeah. um A bit harsh, but I understand. Yeah. And then we get this scene towards the end of the episode where Saeed is chasing Shannon through the rainy jungle. You brought up the rain earlier.
00:48:50
Speaker
And yep. Anytime something bad is about to happen in Lost, there is rain. And she is just breaking down, crying and saying, why don't you believe me? I need you to believe me.
00:49:02
Speaker
And she starts talking about how she's worthless how he's going to leave her. And he's like, you are not worthless, Shannon. I love you. i will never leave you. And I believe you. And then he actually does see Walt as Walt appears again.
00:49:16
Speaker
Yeah. And then they hear the whispers. Mm-hmm. She goes into the jungle Saeed, and Saeed falls and trips over and and you calling after her, and then And then Anna Lucere hears them thinking they're others and shoots and accidentally shoots and kills Shannon.
00:49:44
Speaker
We don't know that Shannon's dead.
00:49:48
Speaker
Well... She's just shot. I think it's pretty clear that she's dead.
00:49:56
Speaker
Why would they kill her off in her episode? Ugh.
00:50:02
Speaker
yeah Why would you redeem a character just to kill her? I don't remember. There may have been some tractual stuff going on with the actress or, you know, just something else going on where they needed her off the show for some reason.
00:50:18
Speaker
I don't remember. Why would they do it right when Saeed says he loves her too? Like, don't get me wrong. I didn't like him as a couple, but that's just cruel. Yeah.
00:50:30
Speaker
No, it is. I mean, life brings you... lemons sometimes you gotta make lemonade out of them not to be not to be you know make light of the situation but Saeed definitely will have a chance probably to grow from this in some way yeah probably
00:50:57
Speaker
But yeah, the way it happens is it's so sudden and shocking. One second, Shannon's reaching toward Walt, and then the next second there's a gunshot, and she's in Saeed's arms. I mean, the way he catches her and the way she dies in his arms, terrible.
00:51:18
Speaker
Yeah, and his performance, Naveen Andrews here was just brilliant and heartbreaking, and The way he's holding her while also looking up to Anna Lucia with those dagger lasers shooting from his eyes. And you can just see like his world is is ending in that moment. and The way the episode title Abandoned works on multiple levels. Shanna was abandoned by her family, abandoned her dreams, and ultimately abandoned by life itself on the island.
00:51:48
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Shannon was kind of becoming interesting, so I'm a little little upset, but I don't care. Yeah, no, I hear you. I mean, yeah has consistently been in our bottom, and hopefully some some good things will come out of this in the show anyway.
00:52:10
Speaker
Yeah. But that is one of the things that makes Lost so effective. You just don't know when... You could lose someone. No character is safe and, you know, death can come suddenly.
00:52:24
Speaker
Just like in real life. Don't say that because then Locke is going to die all of a sudden and I'm going to be really upset. Oh, yeah. I mean, Locke, Sawyer, all of them are going down season two, man.
00:52:38
Speaker
Don't even say that.
00:52:41
Speaker
Well, what other thoughts you got on episode six as a whole? Um... I actually really liked the page. I said it about the same the the same as the last episode. I thought this was a really good balance. I thought this was a really good fifty fifty I thought there was a good amount of, you know, Shannon and, you know, Saeed, as well as a lot of the other group, the other survivors.
00:53:10
Speaker
um The other others. i Yeah, not the other others, the other survivors. Oh, the other survivors, gotcha. Yeah, i but I always have to add that pause. The other survivors. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:53:23
Speaker
Anyway, or the tailies, as you like to call them. Yeah. i I thought there was a really good balance between that. I really liked the character interactions. I thought it was ah the only reason I think I didn't like it quite as much as episode five was just because it didn't hold my interest as much.
00:53:42
Speaker
Yeah. Like the middle 30 minutes while I needed it, I also didn't. Sure. And that makes sense. so Just given the neither one of us are Shannon fans or fans. Exactly. Exactly.
00:53:57
Speaker
So that means that lot of it was filler for us because we're like, this is the same conversation where Shannon keeps telling Saeed that she's seen Walt. He's not believing her. Exactly.
00:54:09
Speaker
Cool.
Favorite and Disliked Characters
00:54:10
Speaker
Well, let's get into our most loved and most hated. This is the fun segment of our show where we get into which characters are trending up and which characters are we hating or who are trending down. So what you got for us this episode, Nick?
00:54:25
Speaker
Okay, it's kind of hard. My top three is kind of hard. I think i already have my bottom three figured out. um My most loved out of all these episodes is going to be Mr. Echo.
00:54:38
Speaker
Yes. Fantastic. Amazing. Absolutely everything about his character, loved. Love. Isn't awesome how you how few episodes he's been in? But I feel the exact same way. And I remember when I watched Right.
00:54:56
Speaker
Like he was already one of my favorite characters at this juncture. Like three episodes into his story. You know? Yeah. I'm so excited to learn more about him. My number two I'll give to Jyn.
00:55:09
Speaker
No, I'm going to give my number two to Sawyer, my number three to Jin. Sawyer's one-liners are just amazing, and the fact that I thought he died this episode kind of made me like like appreciate him a little bit more. Yeah.
00:55:21
Speaker
Jin is in the three just because i love everything about Jin. I love that he actually goes... like he He's willing to go to find Michael.
00:55:31
Speaker
like Michael is his friend. like They became friends. Something about him... like him as something about him like getting like echo mr echo being like no and jim taking that as okay and punching him in the face is just well you know like i loved it i loved it yeah even though i and i don't like to i don't like to see him fighting but i loved it so those are my top three i'm right with you on the the most love this episode i'm i would maybe have jim second sawyer third
00:56:07
Speaker
yeah But it's pretty you know it's pretty interchangeable for me. Yeah. Jin just had a lot more screen time, too. He did, yeah. Okay, bottom three. My least hated out of the three might come as a shocker. Anna Lucia.
00:56:24
Speaker
Okay. She wasn't that bad. She gave her reasoning for being paranoid. I understand where she's coming from. Although she still shot Shannon. Yeah, what was going to say. She did ah murder someone.
00:56:39
Speaker
It's self-defense. She didn't know
00:56:44
Speaker
She's not that bad for me. I didn't really like Shannon anyway. She's not that bad. My number two is Shannon's stepmom.
00:56:55
Speaker
She sucked. Yeah, she sucked. Like, the worst. Are we surprised? No, not at all. Are we surprised at who i whom i my my most hated is?
00:57:08
Speaker
No, because you're going to say Charlie. I'm going to say Charlie, not Brown. Charlie. Okay?
00:57:18
Speaker
Oh my god, he just makes me so mad. Like, every time I see him, like, like he's... he's giving mothering advice to a mother we didn't even want the child, you know, and she's like dealing with it.
00:57:32
Speaker
And you're telling her how to mother when you are a heroin addict. Like, what? I feel Charlie's making me lose credibility right now with, because he's in a really rough patch. And yeah, in season one, I told you how much I liked him as a character and hyped him up. And he's making me look bad.
00:57:52
Speaker
Yeah, he kind of is. I'm not going to lie to you. He's he's making you look a little bad. He's kind of just being a jerk. I mean, like, literally at every single like chance he gets.
00:58:03
Speaker
You know, like, ah being mad at Locke for making the like the cradle. Being mad at Locke for swaddling him. You know, like, Charlie, you're not the dad. She got up.
00:58:15
Speaker
You know, like, I think he's trying too hard to impress Claire. But then he's also being like a jerk to her. You know? Like, he's just the worst.
00:58:26
Speaker
There's something he said. There's something he said, i think, and in this and episode six that like really kicked me off.
00:58:36
Speaker
He's gonna be fussy in the morning because you woke him up. Like, I'm totally on Claire's side. Like, I'm totally on Claire's side. You heard screaming. You woke up the baby. i mean, yeah. Why would you just leave your baby unattended?
00:58:50
Speaker
You know, like, what? No. You heard screaming and you're going to run a run away and leave your baby unintended? You know, like, running towards the screams, okay, yeah that's maybe not the greatest idea. But, Charlie, you don't have to be so opinionated on that.
00:59:05
Speaker
You know, like, that's not your child. You don't have a say. It's her child. You know, like, respect that. So, because of that, and because he still refuses to get better,
00:59:17
Speaker
Alright, that's fair. i think I think I would go the other yeah other direction. I think he would be my least. And then Anna Lucia still my most hated, and the Ruffin River is right up there with her this episode.
00:59:33
Speaker
Okay. Alright. But yeah, we're on a pretty similar wavelength. I mean, I should say yeah yeah two these two episodes. Right. Yeah, yeah. That's where I'm at. So... Okay, awesome.
00:59:45
Speaker
I know you've sprinkled in some theories and predictions throughout the episode. Is there anything else on that end of things that you wanted to touch on? I don't think so. i don't think I have anything else.
Continuing Audience Engagement
00:59:57
Speaker
I hope Desmond shows back up. Yeah, me too. He's an Echo character. like If he shows back up and starts getting screen time, he's going to be in my my top.
01:00:10
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree. I think he could be super duper up there. I'm um excited for that. I also do want to get a little bit more Saeed screen time.
01:00:22
Speaker
I feel like we got some this episode, but we haven't been getting Saeed screen time, which has been upsetting. We also really haven't been getting a lot of Jack and Kate. Yeah.
01:00:33
Speaker
Theories, though.
01:00:36
Speaker
I don't think I have any theories right i think i'veve I think if I had a theory, I think I said it. You said it already, yeah. ah yeah yeah
01:00:45
Speaker
Awesome. Well, that is a wrap on our deep dive into Episodes 5 and 6 of Season 2. And don't forget to subscribe and leave us a review and send your non-spoilery thoughts and theories to lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com.
01:00:59
Speaker
Again, that's lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com. Seriously, i need therapy recommendations in those emails. Yeah. show is messing with my head. Yeah, I hear you.
01:01:12
Speaker
Until next time, keep questioning, keep theorizing, and try not to get too attached to anybody. Until next time, rest in peace, Shannon. Even though I didn't care for you, you deserved better.
01:01:39
Speaker
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