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Orientation + Everybody Hates Hugo Recap
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The hatch mysteries deepen in ‘Orientation,’ as Jack, Locke, and Kate learn the shocking truth about the Dharma Initiative and the button that must be pushed. Then in ‘Everybody Hates Hugo,’ Hurley struggles with his role as food distributor while flashbacks reveal the weight of his lottery win. Our millennial uncle recalls the frenzy these revelations stirred in the fandom, while Nick wrestles with the idea of fate, responsibility, and trust on the island.
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Introduction to the Lost Rewatch Podcast
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Speaker
Terrific. You're listening to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. I'm Aaron DS and I'll be rewatching Lost along with my nephew Nick who will be watching it for the very first time.
00:00:37
Speaker
So come along with us and enjoy the journey.
00:00:42
Speaker
Let's get lost. Let's get lost.
Nick's First Impressions of Lost's Cliffhangers
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Hello, hello, and welcome back to The Lost With My Uncle, a Lost Rewatch and First Timers podcast. I'm Aaron D.S., admittedly a self-proclaimed millennial Lost superfan.
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And I'm Nick, the nephew who's somehow managed to survive two episodes into season two without completely losing his mind over these cliffhangers.
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And we left off with Jack staring at Desmond in the hatch and Michael Sawyer and Jin captured by what we assumed were a faction of the others. So how's your stress level holding up?
00:01:27
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Well, I'm at the same time frustrated and fascinated. Every single answer just leads to 10 more questions. I get an answer, 10 questions. I get another answer, we're up to 20.
00:01:43
Speaker
You know? it's it's It's insane. But I am hooked. ah These two episodes and the rest of the season better give me more answers than the season one finale did.
00:01:57
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Oh, Nick, my hopeful little buddy. As always, listeners, send your non-spoilery thoughts to lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com. Again, that's lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com.
The Dharma Initiative's Mysterious Appeal
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Speaker
Before we dive in, here's a fun fact. Episode 3, Orientation, introduces us to the Dharma Initiative, who will become very central to the storytelling of Lost.
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The what initiative? See, this is what I'm talking about. I have no idea what's coming. Well, let's find out together. it is time to get lost with episodes three and four of season two.
New Tensions with Anna Lucia
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Speaker
Let's do it.
00:02:40
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So, Nick, episode three, titled Orientation, brings us back to both the Hatch storyline in a very big way, with a little bit of the Raft storyline sprinkled in. So we'll start with the Raft.
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Immediately following the end of a drift where we see our survivors washed up on the shore and Jen comes out yelling, others, others. We see the biggest and baddest other rush over and knock out Jen, Sawyer, and Michael with a stick without saying a word.
00:03:09
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And this guy was legit terrifying. Mm-hmm. And they then get thrown into a pit that has human-built bamboo type of door covering it.
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And the majority of our story this episode with the raft survivors revolves around that pit and our survivors scheming to escape. But then an unconscious woman is thrown into the pit.
00:03:33
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So yeah, to start, I had no clue what was going on. I mean, and I have no idea what's going on and throughout the entirety of the series, but specifically in this moment, I was very, very, very confused.
00:03:47
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The unconscious woman just so happens to be Anna Lucia, who Jack met at the airport in season one, in the season one finale. And I told you that I had noticed her from that Netflix thing, where Netflix had spoiled it.
00:03:59
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Yep. Going in... I'm under the assumption that this is the actual Others, you know, or maybe this other faction. Yep.
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And then we find out Anna Lucia is a plant in the pit, which we all saw coming. Yeah. Obviously. But at the time, I'm thinking, is she part of the Others? is she Did they capture her as well?
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Obviously, we find out more in episode four, but yeah. For sure. So just enough to whet the appetite this episode on that storyline.
00:04:38
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That's how Lost likes it. It's like that that's how they like to leave me. Wanting more.
Locke's Complex Backstory
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And back in the Hatch storyline, we start with Jack holding a gun to Desmond, who is holding a gun to Locke, with Jack asking John, is this your destiny, John? All roads lead here?
00:04:57
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Finally! I was so, so ready to see um that really played out. But first, some flashbacks. But it's a Locke episode. So i was so happy to find that out, that you know we're actually getting a Locke episode.
00:05:13
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I knew you would be. And speaking of that, in the flashbacks, we see Locke attending anger management group therapy, where he tells the story about his father conning him out of his kidney. And man, does he get animated.
00:05:26
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ah Yeah, that was brutal. But if anyone in the entire show has a right to be pissed, it's Locke. Right? And he meets Helen in that group. She calls him out for holding on to his anger. And there's this sweet moment where she says she likes bald guys. And he's like, I'm not bald.
00:05:45
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To which she replies, i can wait. And you can see Locke start to soften. Helen was amazing for him. And I think we also know that they're still dating at the time of Lost.
00:05:58
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She was trying her best to help him move past the anger and build something positive. Of course, knowing Locke, I'm worried how that would end up. But I believe, if I remember correctly, sometime in season one, he was talking about how much he loved Helen and how much Helen was for him and all that jazz.
00:06:19
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Yeah, I think it was in the Walkabout episode when he got knocked out temporarily. he he sat up and was saying some stuff to Kate about Helen, if I'm remembering correctly. Yeah, that sounds about right.
00:06:33
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And most of our flashbacks this episode also revolved around John and Helen. John is still also very obsessed with his dad over what he's done to him. And Helen is trying to protect John and allow him to move forward.
00:06:45
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So she catches on to the fact that he has been going to sit in his car parked outside his dad's property at night, and she asks him to stop it. Yeah.
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And his dad even comes out at one point and he confronts John, saying, like, what he wants. And in typical fashion, being a crap bag to his son. about how he needed a kidney. And John was essentially there for the manipulation. And he talks about it like it's normal.
00:07:13
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He was like, you're not the first person to get conned. You don't have to be the worst person ever. You know, like, seriously, the worst. Yeah, super tragic and and heavy moments.
00:07:29
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And then back on island, Jack and Desmond are still in a standoff as Jack is yelling, where's Kate?
Desmond's Button Dilemma
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And we find out that Kate is climbing through the ductwork, finds herself in an armory, grabs a rifle and shoots at Desmond, but misses and hits the mysterious computer.
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So Desmond is completely freaking out. He's scrambling to fix it while muttering about having to push the button every 108 minutes or the world's going to end. Yeah, so you're you're old. You're you're um you know you're a millennial.
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How old was that computer, do you think? Hmm? That thing looked ancient. Yeah, that one that one had to be ah nineteen eighty s at least.
00:08:14
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Yeah. Maybe maybe earlier. Desmond's panic, that felt really real. like Props to the actor, for sure.
00:08:25
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like Everything was falling apart. And then... Here's where we also have Desmond recognizing Jack with ah but his Do I Know Ya?
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you Nice. and his And his Australian accent. Don't worry, you gave us some of it last episode. Don't worry, I'll i'll get into it. I did. You're paying it forward. I appreciate it. I'm paying it forward.
00:08:52
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And we get Desmond's story here also about his solo race around the world and how he crashed, landed on the island, met a guy named Kelvin who came running out of the jungle telling him, hurry, hurry.
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And Kelvin recruits Desmond to basically live in the hatch with him, help him push the button and save the world. His words, not Desmond's.
00:09:13
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Yeah, so ah add him to our list of mystery island inhabitants. And how did Kelvin die? Was it of old age? Or did you know, did something happen?
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Does Desmond know? Also, Jack and Locke's eternal science versus faith struggle, like, seriously carries into this episode. Which, yeah you know, leads Desmond to showing them orientation, the old film strip.
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And this is like... where things get really, really, really wild. Before they watch it, Jack tells Locke it would be crazy for him to believe in the button and numbers and would and in and all of the world-ending shenanigans.
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But Locke ask jack asks Jack, is the reason you're so upset because he said that he recognized you?
Faith vs. Science Debate
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Because that would be impossible. Which is a great question.
00:10:06
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It is. And that one really hit the nail right on the head. And Jack is skeptical about the whole button pushing thing, but Locke is completely buying into it as we've known Locke to become the this man of faith and belief in the island.
00:10:21
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And I would imagine this will likely be the central tension of the season, the faith versus science conversation. Right. Jack's reaction was extremely predictable.
00:10:33
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You know, oh, this is so ridiculous. You know, it we're not pushing some, and you know, for the rest of time. Like, yeah, Locke is already ready to dedicate his life to it.
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And that film was was very retro, if I if I will, like an old educational video from school, but not my school, like your school. We don't we don't we we don't have any of that kind of stuff. Right. but Talking about this.
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mysterious Dharma Initiative, Dr. Marvin Candle explains that they're in Station 3, which means there's different stations, the SWAN, which is part of a scientific research project studying electromagnetism.
00:11:17
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The guy in the film had such a serious scientific tone that there was something super unsettling about it, like he was hiding something important. And what about the skipping in the tape?
00:11:32
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Yeah, that was that was weird. Something cut out, perhaps? The film explains that every 108 minutes, they must enter a specific sequence of numbers into the computer and push the button, or else there will be a system failure.
00:11:47
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Those numbers, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42, the same ones that Hurley won the lottery with, be any numbers, that can't be a coincidence, right?
00:11:59
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You're connecting the dots. The film also mentions that the project began in 1980 under the funding of Alvar Hanzo and warns about the importance of following the protocol exactly.
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And I found it interesting that it mentions that Dharma studies zoology and showed pictures of polar bears. i I noticed that actually. Assuming that's where our island polar bears come from.
00:12:27
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I guess that answers that whole thing. Yeah. Compared to Walt bringing it to life, which I previously thought.
00:12:38
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Yeah. And then one of my favorite lines, and Locke immediately goes, after watching, we're going need to watch that again. Which is instantly where my mind goes
Sawyer's Comic Relief
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to.
00:12:52
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Yeah, for sure. And Jack, of course, gets annoyed and says he isn't going to watch it again. He also asks Desmond a bunch of questions like how he didn't know about them, survivors of Flight 815, about Kelvin.
00:13:09
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He's asking him about replacements. Where does the food come from? and Jack is really starting to implode this episode, asking Desmond, don't you think this is just some mind game or experiment?
00:13:20
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Yeah, and then Desmond is like, yeah, every day. But also, every time I walk past that wall out there with the electromagnetism, my feelings hurt. yeah then He then freaks out a ton when the fuses don't fix in the computer, and he leaves. Like, he just leaves the hatch. He said, you can deal with this. I'm not going to.
00:13:40
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Yep, he was outie. And Jack yu chases after him. He's like where are you going? And... <unk> He's acting just super jerky saying nothing is going to happen. And he also said ah John, who was like, Jackie, you got to stay here with me. I can't do this on my own.
00:13:56
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And he's like, bye, John, you're on your own. And then John starts flipping out, tossing equipment off the desk and yells, what am I supposed to do in his typical lock fashion?
00:14:08
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And I think it's interesting that both Jack and John are sort of imploding in this episode for different reasons. Yeah, like, the stress is extreme, like, it's getting to them. But I'll tell you right now that Jack will not be in my most love this week.
00:14:24
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Locke, maybe, but Jack was pretty unsufferable. Yeah, I figured, and I don't disagree.
00:14:34
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and when Jack goes after Desmond, I mean, he's absolutely unhinged while holding a gun to him and shouting, nothing is going to happen. Yeah. This scene was fun as Desmond you know finally has that remembering moment. And he's like, I remember you running.
00:14:50
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I know you. And Jack breaks down when Desmond asks about what happened to the girl. And Jack's like, I married her. And he just like breaks down you know bawling and was having an emotional breakdown.
00:15:03
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And then Desmond, of course, says his catchphrase of seeing another life, yeah? And leaves. Love it. And the off-island flashback where Helen steals Locke's keys and throws them over the fence into his dad's yard really symbolizes what the hatch portion of the episode was all about with Locke struggling over taking a leap of faith and and doing it alone.
00:15:27
Speaker
I loved that whole bit with Helen and Locke where the, the you don't have to be alone. and I mean, it makes sense, you know, especially all of his pleas to Jack throughout the episodes of helping him and not leaving him alone.
00:15:40
Speaker
Absolutely. And then Hurley and Saeed arrive at the hatch. So Saeed can help fix the computer. And Hurley, of course, discovers the pantry, which will become fun in our next episode.
00:15:52
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Hurley also drops his signature line, dude, a couple of times in this episode, which was really fun. Yeah, i I loved having a little bit of Hurley time. and we obviously get more next episode.
00:16:05
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um But I need more. The amount of food down there is like actually insane. awesome Boxes and boxes of canned goods, cereal, peanut butter.
00:16:19
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It's like survivalist's dream bunker. Oh, yeah.
00:16:26
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And then as we all expected, Saeed, of course, fixes the computer just as the clock is ticking down. And they're trying to remember the last number, although Hurley doesn't want John to put it in. He's like, no.
00:16:37
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no, don't put it in. And John says 32
Climactic Button Push
00:16:40
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and he's like, you know what, dude? Yeah, that's it. Jack walks in and he's like, it's 42. And it was really interesting to see the shift in Jack too, from the unhinged Jack to just kind of accepting fate ah sort of, and his demeanor just completely different from what it was. And then Locke tells Jack, you do it.
00:17:04
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You have to do it. Jack initially balks at that saying, no, it's not real. And then, Nick, we get one of my favorite interactions of season two where Locke asks Jack, why do you find it so hard to believe?
00:17:17
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And Jack says, why do you find it so easy? And Locke replies, it's never been easy. So good. Yeah, I mean... It was intense, and it just ends with John and his all, I can't do this alone, Jack. I don't want to. It's leap of faith, Jack.
00:17:36
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while like like While the alarm is buzzing and the clock is down to 10 seconds, Jack finally hits it, and the numbers are reset with John saying, I'll take the first shift as the iconic lost screen hits us and the episode ends.
00:17:53
Speaker
Yeah, and what a good episode this was and did give us some answers. Any final thoughts before we move into episode four and just, you know, what your overall rating and stuff might be on this episode?
00:18:05
Speaker
ah I really liked this episode. thought you were, I think you're very right. It gave us a lot of answers and it was a Locke-centric episode, which I'm a really big fan of. I think I liked the next episode that we're going to talk about a little bit better.
00:18:21
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And I'll get into why I thought there was a lot of Like, okay, the whole Dharma initiative thing that came up and like the whole swan, that's fantastic.
00:18:36
Speaker
Like, that's great. But outside of that, I don't want to say that nothing happened in this episode, because that's totally not true. And a bunch of stuff did happen in this episode. But sure I definitely think that it on in terms of like,
00:18:54
Speaker
info like just straight up raw info and interactions we kind of didn't really learn anything we didn't already know you know yeah like okay like what like we under like we get why desmond is there which is really important right you get to the fact that now they have jobs and the bunker is becoming a regular thing great outside of that we didn't learn anything about the others this episode You know, like it was very little stuff on the others.
00:19:23
Speaker
We didn't really have any crazy character interactions besides like the ones that we've already had between Locke and Jack, but we already know that they don't see eye to eye on a lot of these things. Nevertheless, it was still a fantastic episode and I really did like it.
00:19:37
Speaker
Yeah, I can't say anything more than that. I think for me, and this might be crazy, I'm a little more intrigued and...
00:19:48
Speaker
into the Sawyer, Michael, Jinn storyline as opposed to the on-island storyline because, interesting I mean, Sawyer, Michael, and Jinn are actually three of my, like, if if you had to say pick a top five favorite characters, it's those three and then Locke and Hurley.
00:20:12
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by like It's like I'm really married to those three. Okay. Yes, Michael is in my top five. Yes, Jen is in my top five. Hey, I got nothing against Jen being there.
00:20:25
Speaker
Yeah. I will say the only thing, and this also goes for episode four as well, the only thing that I'm starting to dislike about Michael's character, which um I'll talk about a tiny longer when he gets a least loved and most loved, is yeah you are right.
00:20:40
Speaker
He is the only thing he's talking about is Walt. That's like his only plot point now is where's my boy? Where's Walt? Where's Walt?
00:20:50
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Which I understand can get very annoying. But yeah, you do know that I'm a really big sucker for the dynamic that the two of them have because special was my favorite episode out of everything in season one.
00:21:04
Speaker
And I loved Adrift so much. Yeah. So I'm a big fan of Michael. Anyway, I'm more interested in what's going on in the rap story, and we just didn't get a lot of that in this episode, which is probably why i rank, I would probably rank the fourth episode a little bit higher than this one.
00:21:26
Speaker
That's fair. Yeah, I think also, again, it's so always easy to do an initial gut check reaction, but until we see the whole of the season and can kind of weigh the episodes against the other episodes, think it's almost a it's a futile exercise to say, well, I ranked this one 8.5 or whatever. I feel like you have to weigh them against each other.
00:21:51
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Right.
00:21:54
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All right, cool. Well, let's get into the next
Hurley's Dream and Lottery Reflection
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episode. So episode four shifts focused Hurley and gives us our second Hurley flashback. It's called Everybody Hates Hugo.
00:22:04
Speaker
So I know you were super excited. I mean, you get a John and a Hurley back-to-back, man. You must have been ecstatic. I was stoked. And obviously, had guessed that that was going to be it just based off of the title.
00:22:19
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Right. So...
00:22:23
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And the episode opens with Hurley having a nightmare where he's gorging himself on the food in the hatch. And then he wakes up to the alarm in the hatch. He has been on duty to enter the numbers and fell asleep. And Kate comes in calling his name. She's like, you fall asleep?
00:22:38
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it's like, no, no, no, just resting. And Kate says, Jack told me about your job, which we then find out is to be in charge of the food. That dream sequence was crazy.
00:22:49
Speaker
Hurley eating everything. Jen speaking perfect English was really, really, really weird to see. Yep. Telling Hurley that everyone's going to hate him. And then also the weird chicken man that was there.
00:23:06
Speaker
You know, just going to let that go. Yeah. Dreams and Lost are extremely weird. However... They always mean something. So I'm not i'm not throwing that dream away.
00:23:19
Speaker
Mm-hmm. But yeah, putting Hurley in charge of food seemed like the right thing to do until he struggled in this episode and it wasn't. For sure. Yeah.
00:23:32
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And then we transition to our survivors in the pit. So getting back to the story that you're a little more interested in, we learn quite a bit and more about the other people this episode. And we find out they were from the tail section.
00:23:46
Speaker
Which broke off on Flight 815, and according to one of the survivors named Libby, there were 23 survivors. And then Anna Lucia, who they had thrown into the pit in Episode 3, is the leader of their group, and she's sort of a dictator type of leader.
00:24:02
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ah Yeah, she's the worst. i'm I'm telling you right now, she's in my bottom three. yeah And as a group, they do not work well.
00:24:13
Speaker
Like, at all. Extremely paranoid and extremely aggressive. Yeah. And we also get introduced to Mr. Echo properly. So he's the one who did all the clubbing last episode, knocking everybody out with a stick.
00:24:28
Speaker
And he's just very imposing, mostly silent figure who seems to be Anna Lucia's muscle. And the other survivors clearly respect and fear him. And he does talk a little in this episode and apologizes at one point to Sawyer.
00:24:42
Speaker
I'm a really big fan of him. I really want to get to know his story. I think he could possibly be, like, in my top set of characters. I really, really, really want to know his story and how he got to be this muscle.
00:24:57
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. No, I'm with you. Like, the first time I saw him, I was very intrigued.
00:25:04
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And then we get taken to another Dharma station where the tail section has been hiding out. And Michael asks, I thought you said there were 23 survivors when they walk in and he realizes how small a group they have. And Libby says, yeah, there were.
00:25:19
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so obviously they're having a hard time surviving. i think cannibalism.
00:25:25
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That's what I get at is cannibalism. Let's hope not. Yeah. And Lucia mentions, you know, like they lost people. Lost, no pun intended. Yeah.
00:25:37
Speaker
Which is terrifying. I'm i'm really thinking cannibalism. Okay. Yeah, that's very terrifying. Let's hope that's not the angle.
00:25:48
Speaker
Yeah. There were also some amazing Sawyer quotes and dialogue this episode as he was really at odds with Anna Lucia and her approach from the very beginning.
00:26:00
Speaker
Yeah, I loved him this episode. I love him in every single episode, but I liked how much like how many lines and how much, you know, he got to to say in this episode. Yeah. Are you going to beam us up?
00:26:13
Speaker
You know, when he's talking, you know, like, you know, she says, when I say jump, what do you say? And Sora replies with, you first. You know, like a lot of a lot of lines like that. Howdy, boys. Thanks for the rest of you.
00:26:27
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to Mr. Echo, after his apology, misunderstanding is when you bring me ah lemonade instead of an iced tea. And then I did like to see his a little more like assassin outlaw side um when he said to her, ah but just one more thing.
00:26:46
Speaker
You hit me again, I'll kill you. And like, I felt that. i There was a serious tension between those two. And I think they both actors are the actor and actress both did an amazing job.
00:27:00
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Yeah, so good. His quotes.
00:27:04
Speaker
And then in Hurley's flashbacks this episode, we see him after fainting from winning the lottery and his mom gets the call and finds out that he won the lottery. And then while working at a chicken restaurant, you talked about that in the dream sequence. He's working at a chicken restaurant called Mr. Clucks.
00:27:20
Speaker
He's called into the office for eating chicken while on shift and also giving out too many napkins to customers. Yep. And you kind of see the wheel spinning in his head. And, you know, he's like, hey, I just won the lottery. So he quits on the spot and then he gets out to his vehicle to leave. And his co-worker, Johnny, comes out and he's like, dude, you better get back to work. You're in trouble. And he's like, no, I just quit, too.
00:27:42
Speaker
But Johnny, of course, doesn't know about the lottery win. So I thought his name was Randy. I don't know why. i thought his name was Randy this entire time.
00:27:56
Speaker
Maybe it was Randy. um and Johnny. There's a Randy in Lost, but I think he was John Locke's nemesis, wasn't he? Randy? No, that was... um That was... a What his name?
00:28:12
Speaker
That was not Alex. What was his name? Um, Ethan. That was Ethan. No, that was Ethan. Ethan was his nemesis. Well, you're talking about the on-island. I'm talking about the guy that worked. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
00:28:31
Speaker
Are you sure his name is John? Well, we can't tell the listeners wrong, so now i'm going to have to look it up. Yeah. Yeah. I really think his name is Randy. And if so, is it the same Randy from John Locke's story? Ooh, that'd be interesting.
00:28:48
Speaker
It could be. You never know.
00:28:54
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Johnny was a friend and co-worker of Hurley's. Oh, boo. Randy is definitely the guy from season one. Anyway, um i thought the contrast was interesting.
00:29:08
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Hurley's trying to act all normal at his minimum wage job while being a multimillionaire. And his boss is just like being a total jerk and says like, it says something like, oh, well, if you you're only here because you need the money. And then he's like, okay, well, can I be leaving?
00:29:23
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So, yeah.
00:29:27
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Yeah. And then there's this great scene where Hurley's at a record store with Johnny singing, you all, everybody. And Hurley also asks out a girl named Starla on a date. And Johnny can't understand why Hurley all of a sudden got the nerve to ask her out.
00:29:42
Speaker
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense because Hurley wouldn't really be the kind of guy to do that. But I mean, he's got a lot of game confidence. He's now a multimillionaire. So, you know, he can he can do what he wants. Also, I love that they were they were calling like ah drive shaft and they were saying like drive sucks instead of drive shaft. Yeah, kind of crapping all over it. That's really that's like a that's a funny coincidence.
00:30:07
Speaker
It is, yeah. That they, like, you know, and it's like, it it has nothing to do with the story. It's just like something they threw in there. Mm-hmm.
00:30:17
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And back on the island, we spend much of the episode with Hurley struggling over his job, and Charlie tries to get info about the hatch from him and leaves annoyed as only Charlie can.
00:30:29
Speaker
Don't get me started. Do not get me started on Charlie. Like, I'm serious. I'm probably going to have like a five minute rant at the end of this episode about him.
00:30:40
Speaker
That's fair. Yeah.
00:30:42
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And Hurley is surprised that Rose, and yes, I did say Rose, she's back. She's back. She's back. She's back.
00:30:54
Speaker
And Hurley is surprised that she's not interested in knowing about the hatch since everyone else is asking about it. And she says, well, whatever it is, it's not going to help me get this laundry done.
00:31:05
Speaker
I, I, Rose, where have you been? Where have you been? I've missed your charm. I've missed your old lady charm. She's been doing laundry, man.
00:31:16
Speaker
She's been doing laundry this whole time. Anyway. Hurley responds with, well, actually, you know, it might. He takes her on this tour of the hatch and recruits her, which I'm so glad he did recruit her because she had some great lines in this episode.
00:31:35
Speaker
i really couldn't have asked for a better episode. i got a lot of info with the Michael Jinn, Sawyer, whatever. I got a lot of Sawyer one-liners. I got some Rose one-liners, and it's a Hurley episode.
00:31:48
Speaker
I literally can't ask for anything more from an episode. it This episode for me might might be ah to like a top five for the season, depending on how, you know, the other episodes size up.
00:32:04
Speaker
I loved this episode so much, dude. Yeah, I knew you would. It's the perfect Nick convergence of all those things.
Food Distribution Conflict in the Hatch
00:32:12
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And then Jack leaves Hurley with specific instructions to inventory all the food and in the meantime, tell nobody about it.
00:32:21
Speaker
So Hurley and Rose get to chatting while working and Rose says Bernard has a sweet tooth when they discover some Apollo candy bars. And Hurley tells her that everyone is going to hate me, Rose.
00:32:33
Speaker
As Kate comes in and is like, hey, do you have any shampoo? And Hurley's like, ah you can't take that. And she's already walking out saying thank you. And he's like, yeah, that's where it starts.
00:32:45
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, he's he's having a hard time with the responsibility aspect, but I totally get it. Like, i I totally get where he's coming from. And the reason why is because we already see we already saw it happen with Charlie.
00:32:59
Speaker
Like, literally, we like we already saw it happen. And then Charlie goes and does it again. So, yeah you know, like we like, we're seeing that. And, you know, he's had experience with this because, you know, he's a millionaire.
00:33:13
Speaker
You know, he's had to say no to people before. Yeah. And meanwhile, Claire, this episode, finds the message bottle from the raft, which has washed up on shore, which really devastates Sun. And she starts to realize the raft probably didn't make it very far. Mm-hmm.
00:33:32
Speaker
Yeah. I want to say, Claire looked extremely happy this episode. I saw Claire, um and I feel like we haven't seen Claire a super long time. And I was like, you know what? Good for her. She had that baby.
00:33:44
Speaker
She doesn't have to be looking after it right now. She's having a grand old time. Yeah. It was, it but it was super duper heartbreaking. i mean, son was like, my husband's going to come back for me.
00:33:57
Speaker
And then she goes to, you know, Bottle meant something you know terrible. And, you you know, what they don't know is that they're back on the island just, you know, with the others.
00:34:08
Speaker
You know what? I'm going to call them the other survivors. There you go. So it's like a combination. There. There you go.
00:34:20
Speaker
And then, as you mentioned, Charlie keeps digging for answers as he confronts Locke in the woods. And Locke's like, well, what do you want to know? fills him in on everything, which leads Charlie to go back and chat with Hurley again, telling him, Hurley, I know about the food and the bun.
00:34:35
Speaker
And Hurley's like, well, that's a lie. or that's not true. He says something like that. And Charlie, of course, is asking for peanut butter for Claire. So that's that's the one redeeming thing for Charlie this episode is he is trying really hard to get the formerly pregnant woman some peanut butter.
00:34:51
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly. You know, Hurley's like, no can do, man. And I'm sure that Charlie's comment about getting Claire's baby back had to trigger you, Nick. Oh, my goodness.
00:35:03
Speaker
Yeah, who? got Who got the baby back? Charlie? You got the baby back? Allegedly. That would be Saeed. Not you.
00:35:17
Speaker
because you had nothing to do with it. Oh my God. Nothing infuriates me more than, than him trying to take credit for that. And then him also trying to like gaslight Hurley.
00:35:31
Speaker
it's just like, he's just such a, like such a, I'm trying to think of ah of ah an appropriate word here. Appropriate for podcasts.
00:35:42
Speaker
yeah I mean, he's just, he is a crap bag. That's really what he is. He's the worst. He's in my bottom three as well. And he he was kind of redeeming himself as the episodes were going on. And I like forgot how crappy he was.
00:35:55
Speaker
And then like, this just brings him back to the bottom. Like he's, the he's horrible. He's the worst. I hate him. Yeah. Oh, I hate it. I knew you would.
00:36:08
Speaker
And back at and underneath the hatch, Jack and Saeed are exploring deeper into the station, trying to understand how everything works. And they find more equipment and realize how sophisticated this place really is.
00:36:21
Speaker
Yeah, so the tech down there... is extremely advanced, you know, for for it being on a deserted island and all, and how old some of the other stuff seems. With the 1980s computer?
00:36:33
Speaker
ah Exactly. The millennial computer. and And, you know, obviously, it has to be some government-related thing. I mean, it so it surely has Yeah.
00:36:45
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:49
Speaker
And then Hurley confronts Locke about telling Charlie, and he says, you shouldn't have done that. and And now everything's going to change. And he also tries to quit. He's like, I'm not doing this job anymore. And Locke is like, nope, Hurley, we all have our jobs, and I'm sorry you don't get to quit.
00:37:03
Speaker
And Hurley takes that seriously and says, okay, then. Yeah. His idea of a job... was a little you know different because he goes and finds dynamite and decides to blowing up the food storage rather than than to deal with the you know the politics of it.
00:37:21
Speaker
was That's a Hurley solution for you. I think instead of playing favorites, he kind of just eliminates the ah problem himself.
00:37:34
Speaker
Thankfully, though, Rose catches him in the act and talks him out of it really by just listening and being empathetic. And we see in our final flashback, Hurley and Johnny pull up to a gas station where there is a news station reporting live talking about the lottery.
00:37:49
Speaker
Clark recognizes Hurley from TV as the lottery winner. And suddenly everyone's staring at him and Johnny looks on clearly shot. I mean, after a huge hiatus from the show.
00:38:03
Speaker
Rose comes up big again. Rose for the win. Yeah.
00:38:10
Speaker
And the episode ends with Hurley telling Jack that he wants to have a big party, let everybody eat all the food, because there just isn't enough to ration it out. And he says, look, you put me in charge, dude. This is what we're doing.
00:38:20
Speaker
And Jack says, okay. Which surprises old Hurley? I mean, that actually kind of surprised me, too. I wasn't expecting Jack to be so calm about it and I actually respect Jack for having that respect for Hurley.
00:38:33
Speaker
yeah it was It was really nice, really heartwarming to see like the community come together, you know enjoy food, you know being normal yeah as like the the music in the background plays.
00:38:49
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. And that's such a great track, that one with the ukulele and piano. It's called Hurley's Handouts. Such a good song. And agreed, a very heartwarming closer.
00:39:00
Speaker
Claire finally gets her peanut butter. Everybody's happy. Charlie gives Hurley a big hug. And then they eventually show Sun's decision to bury the message bottle.
00:39:10
Speaker
And then as the episode comes to a close, we flashback to the, I'm going to call them the tailies. And you're going to call the other survivors. Is that what you Yeah. Cool.
00:39:22
Speaker
So we flash back to the tailies where we meet Bernard, who is Rose's husband. And what a touching scene as Bernard breaks down in tears as he's asking if Rose is over there and still alive.
Bernard and Rose's Emotional Reunion
00:39:33
Speaker
And then we flash back over to Rose on the beach, holding on to that Apollo bar and and stowing it away for Bernard as a very touching musical piece concludes. We fade to black, lost.
00:39:45
Speaker
Really, really, really big fan of the Rose and Bernard, you know, like they, or especially Rose's dedication to, I know Bernard's alive and he is. So I'm really happy for both of them.
00:39:59
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:02
Speaker
And these two episodes really expanded the world of Lost in some major ways, introducing the Dharma Initiative, the Button Protocol, and showing us more of the tail section survivors.
New Narrative Elements Introduced
00:40:13
Speaker
Yeah, there's a lot of parts. There's a lot of parts. There's a lot of things that are... There's a lot of branches. it's It's complex. and like I know something about Danielle is going to come back you know and like haunt us. There's a lot of Season 1 stuff that they left unanswered that they're going to probably hit us with.
00:40:32
Speaker
And now we've got this Dharma initiative with electromagnetic properties to keep track of. And two different groups of survivors as opposed to one.
00:40:43
Speaker
Yeah, and what struck me on these two episodes was really the contrast between them. Orientation being all about mystery and protocol and everybody hates Hugo more about human nature and community.
00:40:56
Speaker
I completely agree. i think the the first one we talked about asks a lot of big questions similar to Faith vs. Science where we with that first episode of the season.
00:41:08
Speaker
ah And then the Hurley episode kind of just swoops in with good and bad. Like two verses, but still contrast when resources aren't and um at an all-time low.
00:41:23
Speaker
For sure. Yeah, good stuff. So you would automatically rate that one like a 9.5-ish, right?
00:41:34
Speaker
I would say so, yeah.
00:41:38
Speaker
i would say so. That's what I figured. We'll let you get the whole picture of season two and then see where you stand. Correct. But yeah, both great episodes. Love the episodes this week.
00:41:51
Speaker
he Agreed.
00:41:54
Speaker
And now it's time for one of our favorite segments here, the most loved and most hated segment, where Nick talks about who he's loving, who's trending up, and which characters are really just getting on his last nerve and trending down. So who impressed you and who frustrated you in these episodes?
00:42:13
Speaker
Okay, this is kind of a hard one. yeah I'm going to throw an honorable mention. It's harder this season now that we're doing the two episodes in one. it's it's hard Exactly. Exactly. exactly Okay.
00:42:29
Speaker
My honorable mention goes to Helen.
00:42:33
Speaker
I loved Helen. yeah I thought Helen was great. I thought she was perfect for John Locke. I thought she was amazing throughout the entire episode and really what you need in, you know, a partner or a person like that.
00:42:51
Speaker
Then in my three for most loved, i I'm going to put early which is kind of low for him. But I think the other two are just kind of undebatable, which is Rose in the number two spot and Locke at the number one spot.
00:43:09
Speaker
Really? Locke is still your number one? Locke is still my number one, just because that Locke episode was so powerful. And even in the Hurley episode, Locke had such a big presence with even that little interaction with, you know, like,
00:43:25
Speaker
We got to do the jobs that we're given. and I love his line, like, oh, I have to make sure. i have My job is to make is to convince people to come down here and push a button every 108 minutes. And then he says, want to switch?
00:43:36
Speaker
You know, like i like, just stuff like that. Like, it's it's great. I love his character. If I had to have a fifth person, I'd probably, and and i'll I'll say another honorable mention, I'll put Sawyer up there because I did really like his whole, his everything.
00:43:51
Speaker
Oh, yeah, for sure. Most hated. should go pretty fast. I'm trying to think about who I want in my least most hated. So my my number three spot for most hated. I um might put Jack down there.
00:44:11
Speaker
i wasn't a huge fan of him and these episodes. I thought he was really frustrating. i thought he kind of redeemed himself in the Hurley episode.
00:44:22
Speaker
And i I totally get his viewpoint, but his actions, you know, don't meld with, like, sit well with me. So, I have Jack at my at my one.
00:44:32
Speaker
I have ah Anna Lucia at my two. ah She made me so frustrated. She really did. i thought she was really hostile for no reason. Obviously, I get being paranoid.
00:44:45
Speaker
I 100% understand that. like like you know understand that But at the same time, even after she learned like that they were like chill, for lack of a better word, you know she was still just very rude, very dictator, very, you have to do what I say.
00:45:05
Speaker
i really hope Sawyer gets a little moment of revenge because Anna Lucia sucks. She really does. She does. Three in my most hated, we all know where this is going.
00:45:17
Speaker
i hate Charlie. I hate him. From taking credit for saving Claire's baby, when in reality he did nothing but be a problem for Saeed, him going up to Hurley...
00:45:32
Speaker
and trying to be all nice so that he could get what he wanted, so he could get answers. Then when he found out those answers, he goes back to Hurley and tries to get what he wants and tries to gaslight him, saying, you're stealing from ah mother and her baby.
00:45:50
Speaker
You're stealing from a baby just because he wants to give Claire peanut butter. That's what this is. It's not because Claire wants to know about peanut of peanut butter, because Claire doesn't even know about it. Charlie wants to give the peanut butter so he can look better for Claire.
00:46:03
Speaker
That's the only reason he wants to do it. You know? And that's why I hate him. That's why I absolutely hate him. And also, I don't know if it was in this episode or or these two sets of episodes or the... um No, it was the other two.
00:46:18
Speaker
But him lying about the drugs that he'd been doing, too. You know, like, that was that was your chance. That was your chance to say, I'm done. That was your chance to but put him down and say, i'm I'm not going to get addicted to this because...
00:46:31
Speaker
Claire's going to find out and that's going to be horrible. When she does find out, because that's inevitable, I will sit there and I will laugh and I will point at Charlie through the screen and I will say, ha, you're a loser.
00:46:42
Speaker
Because he had every single chance and i hate his character with every single burning passion. That means the actor is doing an amazing job, by the way. Keep doing what you're doing.
00:46:53
Speaker
You're actually getting me to feel this way about a character in a show that doesn't exist. So keep doing what you're doing. know you're going listen to this podcast, but You're amazing. Your character sucks. I hate your character so much.
00:47:05
Speaker
like everything about your character I despise. Just because, and the ah the reason I think I despise it so much is just because I went from loving this character, like offrib off rip, off rip, I was a big Charlie fan.
00:47:21
Speaker
You know, like first two episodes, amazing. You know, yeah we lost a little bit of him and I was a little sad. We get the moth, skyrockets him back up. I think they could have done amazing things with his character.
00:47:34
Speaker
Homegoing, or it was Homegoing or homecom Homecoming, ruined him. Absolutely ruined him. And I will stick by that because that just really sucks.
00:47:46
Speaker
That really, really sucks that that's where his character goes. Anyway, that's my Charlie rant. I'm done. Well... in the same sense that he, the actor is doing such a good job of making you hate him.
00:47:59
Speaker
You did a great job of telling us how you really felt about all that. This is true. This is true. Awesome. Well, thanks for sharing that. I will, it's really hard for me on these two. i have a hard time.
00:48:14
Speaker
Here's my, here's my struggle. It's hard for me to have lock in my, top three. Jack definitely can't be in the top three because he was way more annoying than Locke. They were both imploding, though, at times.
00:48:29
Speaker
Correct. ah Again, Locke in a much less egregious way, I guess you could say. right And there's so many really cool characters. there's There's a couple of characters that I'm almost ready to throw in my most loved because I just want more of Desmond and Mr. Echo.
00:48:49
Speaker
I want more of both of those guys. Yeah, I agree with you. Whether or not we're going to get any more of Desmond, who knows, because he ran off. Right. But I would imagine we're going to get some more Mr. Echo in the upcoming episodes.
00:49:03
Speaker
Yeah, I would certainly hope so. So I guess for most loved right now for these two episodes, if I had to give you my most loved, which technically I'm supposed to be doing that, I'm going to probably throw Rose in there, which that's a random one.
00:49:22
Speaker
you know Nope, i she was in my top three. But yeah, Rose was a cool character. Good to have her back. She always brings the peaceful and helpful moments and wisdom. Yeah.
00:49:35
Speaker
Sawyer, his one-liners were phenomenal. Agreed. So I think Sawyer would have to be in there. And then I do think Hurley would probably have to make his way into the top three right now.
00:49:47
Speaker
Because Hurley-centric episodes are always fun, and that was a great episode. He's just so likable. Even when he's going through struggles, he's just a very likable character.
00:49:59
Speaker
Yeah, I'm with you.
00:50:03
Speaker
Most hated. Most hated, yeah. Unfortunately, Jack is in the most hated. Yep. He was just crazy. and I usually like ah like Jack.
00:50:13
Speaker
you know Obviously, he he goes back and forth between good Jack and dark Jack, but he was definitely on the dark Jack side of things. Anna Lucia, definitely bottom three. i don't i don't see a change in that for as long as she is on the show. i don't think she'll ever be out of it. She's she's kind of like Shannon. Wow.
00:50:32
Speaker
I almost brought Shannon up, although she hasn't really done anything. That's what I was going to say. She was in that one scene, but it wasn't anything where you could go, well, I hate Shannon, really, except for her track record previously.
00:50:46
Speaker
Exactly. So I guess I'm with you, and i admit that when watching back seasons one and two of Lost, like Charlie's going through some times where it's pretty easy to hate him.
00:51:01
Speaker
Yeah. Agreed. He is definitely going to have to be in the bottom three. Hopefully he can redeem himself out of it at some point, but for now he's down there.
00:51:12
Speaker
Yep.
00:51:15
Speaker
Cool. Well, let's talk theories and predictions. What's your take on this whole Dharma initiative and button situation? Um, see, that's a great question that I haven't myself figured out entirely.
00:51:28
Speaker
Sure. So, uh, I can't give you a super concrete answer. What I will say is I think that Dharma or I, this is what I definitely think that.
00:51:42
Speaker
So they said that they're in station three, the Swan, 100%. one hundred percent The other survivors are um in a different station, 1000%.
00:51:53
Speaker
Or the, or It's possible that they're on the other side of where Saeed was trying to get through. Like the other side of the electromagnet.
00:52:04
Speaker
That's super like feasible. That's a prediction I have. ah You know my cannibalism theory. Yeah. I don't really think that I have too many off the top of my head right now.
00:52:20
Speaker
How about character predictions? Mr. Echo, Desmond, we going to see them both again? are we going to have? We'll see Desmond again. Because there's no way Desmond is going to get off the island. you know We might see Desmond again dead. you know like I'm sure you know like like it's it's possible he just dies.
00:52:41
Speaker
like It's possible he can't survive on his own if he dies. Yeah. I will say, I do want to know more about the Dharma Initiative and like what they're all doing there and I bet you that the others the actual others had something to do with the Dharma initiative when it first started like if you remember in the little tape they said they were sending like college students over which would make and this was like however long ago this would now make these college students the age of the others now and remember they were smart
00:53:21
Speaker
they were um They were incredibly smart. They like they were gifted people. So that's where my mind goes. That's my theory with that. Okay. I don't think I have any character predictions.
00:53:36
Speaker
Besides, I think there could... I lied. I have one. I think there could be something romantical between Anna Lucia and Sawyer. All right.
00:53:49
Speaker
However, I would not approve of it. Yeah, no, I hear you. Well, I love how your theories are getting more and more sophisticated and, you know, you're really starting to think like a Lost fan. I love it.
00:54:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:05
Speaker
Cool. Well, that wraps up our exploration of episodes three and four. We dove into the mysteries of Dharma, watched Hurley navigate some leadership challenges, and met some intense new characters from the tail sections.
00:54:16
Speaker
I mean, these episodes felt like the show is hitting its stride. I think it could possibly like skyrocket from here. The mythology is getting deeper, the character development more complex, and every answer just raises more questions.
00:54:32
Speaker
I want to know more. Absolutely. Listeners, thanks for being along for the journey. Don't forget to subscribe and leave us a review. We love hearing your thoughts on our lost journey.
00:54:46
Speaker
Until next time, keep pushing that button. Until next time. Seriously, what happens if they don't push it?