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Speaker: Terrific. You're listening to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. I'm Aaron Diaz, and I'll be rewatching Lost, along with my nephew Nick, who will be watching it for the very first time.
Speaker: So come along with us and enjoy the journey.
Speaker: Let's get lost. let's get lost
Speaker: Hello, hello, and welcome back to The Lost With My Uncle, a Lost rewatch and first-timers podcast. I'm Aaron DS, your millennial co-host, rewatching and dissecting Lost, joined as always by my Gen Z nephew, Nick, and we've made it all the way to the last episode before the three-part finale, which is called Born to Run.
Speaker: And this is round three of Kate's flashback story for season one, Nick, so third time's a charm or what?
Speaker: I mean, it it's the third round. i wasn't a big fan of her first two episodes, especially Tabula Rasa. Whatever the case may be was all right.
Speaker: And this one, will I quite thoroughly enjoyed this episode. I think this is my favorite of the three. Okay. And we know I'm not the biggest Kate fan. So yeah, I'll give you a lot of opinions.
Speaker: ah As we go through this episode, I think you'll be and this episode actually had me like tossing and turning. Wow. Because tossing and turning like I was I was very excited.
Speaker: and made the mistake of having caffeine before watching the episode. I've done this before. That'll do I did this for, what was the episode where Shannon was going to possibly kill Locke?
Speaker: That was the one we just watched. Yeah. Yeah. And then also I did it for when they killed Ethan. Oh, okay. Yeah. And it's so bad because those like intense moments are like amplified by 10. Sure.
Speaker: sure But when I'm not, when I'm not doing that, when I'm just like watching the episode, i get really passionate and I get really jumpy at like every single decision or every single little thing that happens to the characters.
Speaker: So yeah it's kind of funny how I reacted to some of the ah interactions with the characters. So I i can't wait to get into that. I would love to watch all of those reactions.
Speaker: Still thinking back to the Saeed solitary episode. That was a lot of fun being in the same room while we did that. Yeah.
Speaker: Awesome. Well, before we jump in, I am very curious to hear your thoughts on Born to Run. But listeners, remember, you can send us your theories, your feedback to lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com.
Speaker: Again, that's lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you. So let's get into the recap and let's get lost. Do it.
Speaker: We start off this episode with an off-island flashback, and in it, a young blonde-haired woman pulls up at a motel. The license plate on her vehicle says Nebraska, but the woman quickly changes it to an Ohio license plate from an assortment that she has stashed in the trunk of her car.
Speaker: grabbing a towel and shampoo from the maid's cart. She then enters a room that has just been made vacant, adding a do not disturb sign. And then she puts dark hair dye on her blonde hair.
Speaker: As she showers, she is revealed to be none other than Kate. I think we kind of all saw that coming. Yeah, there was not. I think they intended for it to be like a big reveal, but there was, it was like, right. The the easiest thing to see ever.
Speaker: Yeah, it was telegraphed for sure. And then at the hotel's office, she picks up a letter under the name of Joan Hart. And as she reads the handwritten note in her car, she begins to sob uncontrollably.
Speaker: I mean, outside of the fact that we kind of obviously knew it was Kate, I didn't get a lot from this flashback and still like thinking about it like like. I got nothing. i think I say sometimes either flashbacks, especially the first one, give you ah lot or give you nothing.
Speaker: That's true. And there wasn't really much to go off of here. Yeah, it never really was clear what it was in reference the letter. And still, and still after after I've watched the episode, i still don't really know what it's about.
Speaker: Who even is Joan Hart? but I still don't even know who that is. Like, literally no clue who that is. Because it's not her mom. Her mom was named Diane. if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker: So, who in the world is Joan? I don't know. and I don't even know what the note is talking about. it i guess the note could be talking about her mom being and i diagnosed with cancer, but I have no idea. Yeah.
Speaker: So, I feel like this flashback kind of gave us nothing, and it's kind of a nothing flashback, in my opinion. Agreed. But I did think it was kind of cool to see the fugitive side of Kate, because I feel like i can't wait until we finally learn where she, you know, all started with this, like, how she became like a fugitive, how she learned this, like, when did she become on the run? You know, like, why is she um like, you know, all these kind of questions.
Speaker: I can't wait for that because seeing her actually do these kind of things is really cool. It's really, really, really cool to see stuff like that. For example, in ah the most previous Kit episode when she randomly shoots all the other people on that heist with her.
Speaker: You know, like... Okay, go crazy. i thought that was super cool. And I think that her motive is also extremely interesting. i I really like Kate's character in that regard. I just think sometimes she's kind of annoying.
Speaker: And yeah I see that a lot in this episode.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And then back on Island... our first island shot of the episode. We're out by the ocean. Kate is twirling around that toy airplane that she got out of the case in the last episode.
Speaker: And her train of thought is interrupted by Charlie, who says... who walks up to her and says, platinum. And he's playing his guitar, and then he starts talking about how when they get saved, when the raft saves them all you know people are going to realize he's still alive, and they're going to have thought he was dead, and driveshaft is going to be a big thing again, meaning he can make millions on a comeback.
Speaker: And as they watch some of the survivors working on the raft, they witness an argument, which is being led by another survivor who we meet for the first time in this episode, Arst. Okay, you can't tell me that he was just, you can't tell me that he was just, he wasn't just introduced to debunk this raft theory and we will most likely never hear from him ever again.
Speaker: Yeah, it's good it's like that guy from the golf episode. We literally saw this guy once. He complained about like his back and his sleeping habits and yeah we haven't seen him since.
Speaker: Yeah, that's true. Maybe he'll be back, but yeah, I hear you. Yeah. And so Arst tells the group that monsoon season is coming, meaning winds will change southwards towards Antarctica.
Speaker: And as the raft needs to head north to reach shipping lanes for a chance of rescue, he says the raft must leave immediately to avoid nature turning against them. Sawyer says, why are we listening to Arst anyway?
Speaker: And Arst replies, because I'm a doctor and you're a hillbilly. So he's got some um definite pizzazz to him. He likes to tell it how it is. And Michael says, so when do we have to leave? And Arst replies, yesterday.
Speaker: And so the news hits everybody pretty hard, especially Kate, who chases after Michael. And she wants a place on the raft. She's contesting Sawyer's spot, trying to say, I'm a better candidate than he is. Sawyer doesn't even know how to sail.
Speaker: But Michael isn't going forward and says, sorry, the raft's full.
Speaker: Um... Immediately, it's it's Kate, and she has a motive for doing this. Yeah. I think the the only reason that I dislike Kate so much is because I think she's kind of manipulative.
Speaker: I don't know if that if that's like true, or at least I feel i feel some two-faced with her. oh for sure. A little bit. And I'm not saying that other characters don't have this, but I don't know. Maybe I just noticed it a little bit more with her.
Speaker: Yeah, I think she also could 100% be lying about the fact that she has sailing experience. ah Yeah. And I just think it's also kind of, I also just think it's a, it's a kind of crappy, selfish thing for you to try and kick Sawyer off of the raft, which he earned his spot on, you know, like, sort of the raft was, was burnt.
Speaker: And Sawyer's contribution to it was, was burnt, but he still was helping with the making of the first raft and the second raft. I would say he's deserved his spot on the raft. It makes them, it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker: Yeah. And so for Kate to just swoop in and take that from him, my thought was a little unfair. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker: And then we get into another Kate flashback from this moment when Michael denies her and she is at a hospital. She's walking down the hall carrying a large bouquet of flowers and she's kind of posing as a delivery girl asking to see Diane Jansen.
Speaker: And on her way to the room, she sees the sheriff and quickly switches the flowers to the other side of her body to cover her face. And then she ends up leaving the hospital without giving the flowers to the patient that she wanted to see.
Speaker: And in the hospital parking lot, a guy named Tom gets into his car, only to be surprised by Kate, who, surprised, is hiding in his back seat. And she tells him that Diane is dying of cancer and she needs his help.
Speaker: I kind of also think this is a little bit of a nothing flashback. I feel like I'm being so critical because I love the episode so much, but I'm not saying about how I love the episode so much.
Speaker: Yeah. So she's definitely wanted for something already. Like, she's she's done something. She's either been a criminal her entire life, or she's a criminal now. I don't know when the... I mean, I'm assuming the events of Tabula Rasa are right before she gets captured by the sheriff.
Speaker: And... um Or the marshal, I guess I should say. And then the other episode, her other episode... was either, I don't know what the timeline is, before or after. It seems like this is before all of that.
Speaker: It is before all of that. I know this. I know this. i know this. So then, like, the the the most in the past flashback we've gotten, but she's still a fugitive. Like, we like we know this because she's hiding from the the sheriff and whatnot.
Speaker: she's got something to hide she sneaks into someone's car and is extremely creepy i think that's really scary why not just ask him like straight up why not be like oh i need help why why like sneak into his car and and be like my mom's my mom's not doing well she needs your help yeah for sure also I get that they had to do this because it was such a reveal that Diane was her mom.
Speaker: But I feel like it's kind of weird to just say like, oh yeah, Diane needs your help. Yeah. I thought that was kind of weird. Like thinking that, i mean, but I understand it was for the reveal. But was like, i am she kept talking about it like Diane was her friend. And then it was like, mom. And i was like, aye oh, and like wait a minute. what Just call her mom.
Speaker: Yeah. But no, there's definitely a lot of, I think we definitely in a lot of these flashbacks saw a very emotional side of Kate, which we're not like not used to seeing, you know, we've seen that before.
Speaker: well But I think a lot of the emotion we see from Kate is outbursts. And she kind of, I feel like let herself feel a little bit more vulnerable in these. And I loved that.
Speaker: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker: And then back on island, Sun is trying to talk to Jin and asks if he's going. And Jin says, yes, I'm going. Meanwhile, Saeed leads Jack into the jungle. And Jack says, how much further?
Speaker: Tell me why you brought me out here or I'm going to turn around. And Locke's voice comes out of nowhere. And he says, he brought you out here because I asked him to. And I wanted you to have an open mind. And Jack sees the hatch, which has been dug out even further. They've been doing a lot of digging and digging it out of the ground completely almost.
Speaker: And Jack is wondering what it is, and Locke says, exactly. I guess it's time we talked about this. hi love Locke so much in this entire episode.
Speaker: Yeah, he was great. I also love that he was so unbelievably petty. i like towards Jack. I think the the Michael getting sick...
Speaker: And the answer as to why Michael got sick was actually right in front of us in timeline wise in the show makes so much sense. We just didn't think about it.
Speaker: Like literally it's like Jen says, oh, I'm going. And son is like, oh, I'm so sad. And then literally like the next scene, Michael gets sick. It was right in front of us that entire time that it was son. Right.
Speaker: But you just don't want to believe it You just don't. And i think telling Jack about the hatch is fantastic. And I love that, like, the three biggest leaders on the island are, like, discussing the hatch.
Speaker: Finally. Yeah. How long have we known about this stupid hatch with no answers? Well, are is that island time or or podcast time? ah Episode time.
Speaker: Island time, you're at about a couple of weeks at this point, aren't you? Yeah, but episode time, what episode did we first figure this out in?
Speaker: I want to say... and Episode 10? 12 or 13, wasn't it? was episode 10, so it's been 12 episodes. Yeah, might have been 10. it was Because that was the Claire episode. Or was it after the Claire episode?
Speaker: Yes, because she had been kidnapped. So it's been 11 episodes. Okay. Yeah. So it's been 11 whole episodes since we've gotten since we've seen the hatch and we've gotten no answers.
Speaker: So I don't know. Hang in there, my friend. Yeah, we will get answers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then back on the beach, Sawyer begins to complain and says, Sulu here is trying to bring fish on the raft.
Speaker: Can't we just catch fish? And Michael says, you know what, Sawyer, maybe you aren't the right man to come with us, considering you know virtually nothing about sailing or survival at sea. And Sawyer's like, oh, yeah, who's going take my place?
Speaker: And then in our next scene, Kate, of course, is burning the picture of someone's passport when Sawyer arrives to confront her about the raft. And he lets her know that he's on to why she wants to get off the island so bad. He says, your only chance of running is getting on that raft, ain't it?
Speaker: Don't worry, Puddin', your secret's safe with me, but just so you know, no way you're getting my spot on that raft. He starts to leave, but as he goes, Kate says, Sawyer, if I want your spot, I'll get it.
Speaker: I love that whole interaction between Sawyer and Kate. I actually love their dynamic. I think their dynamic is amazing. I also love Sawyer calling Jin Sulu.
Speaker: Yeah. That's amazing. I thought Michael was, i don't know, because I know you're always complaining about Michael. Not complaining, but you're you're not the biggest fan of Michael. I am such a complainer.
Speaker: You... I know you're not the biggest fan about Michael. I'm not. I still don't really see much wrong with what he's doing here. i mean, i think he was a little harsh on Sawyer. i think he did. I think he did make a deal with Sawyer and he should stick to that deal.
Speaker: I think it'd be really kind of rude for Michael to just say, right, Sawyer, know, like, heck off. You know, you don't have to yeah be on this. right I mean, i I feel like especially since all all the work that Sawyer's like put in, i don't know. I just think it's kind of crappy of Michael to do that. But I also think he kind of redeems himself. And it he does have a point. if If no one's got sailing experience, they're going nowhere.
Speaker: They're just going to die. you know. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: My struggle with Michael in this episode and in these series of episodes is he's just such an overreactor. he lates on to He latches on to one thing without having all the information constantly and is' just he waffles.
Speaker: So that's one of my big issues. Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker: That's extremely fair and I completely see that. Saying more about... Kate in and Sawyer, I love that Sawyer figured out that, like, Kate was, like, ah like like a fugitive. Well, not really figured out because he she kind of kind of told him a little bit.
Speaker: But I love that he was smart enough to be like, i know the reason you want off this island. It's so you can get away. i love i like I love that he made that connection. Yeah.
Speaker: And i I think throughout this entire episode, I loved Sawyer. I thought he was great. He was. I thought he was smart. I thought he was and thought he was funny. i like i literally thought he was one of my favorite characters throughout this entire episode.
Speaker: And that scene specifically, where he's like, you're not getting my spot. of That was a great scene. And I do like Kate's comeback of, if I want your spot, I'm going to take your spot.
Speaker: yeah That was great. Yeah, it was great. i loved it.
Speaker: And then back to Michael and Walt, who are talking about what they'll do when they get rescued. And suddenly Michael stumbles, collapsing and and telling Walt, get Jack. And so Walt finds Kate and Kate goes after Jack.
Speaker: And at the hatch exterior, Jack, Locke, and Saeed are discussing opening it. And Saeed cautions against opening it, saying, there's no handle on the hatch door, so perhaps it was never meant to be open from the outside.
Speaker: And he says, we should bury it. And then as the group heads back, Kay catches up to them and tells Jack about Michael.
Speaker: Yeah, so, kind hard to talk about it, like, It was so obvious that it was Sun, like actually thinking back, like back on it. Like it makes so much sense.
Speaker: Obviously, there was a little bit of time in between, but feel like it was it it was fairly it makes a lot of sense. but ah But I think they kind of red herringed it with having the Sawyer and Kate argument in between.
Speaker: yeah absolutely. And it made you divert your attention to thinking it was one of those two. And to be fair, it technically was one of those two. ah Exactly. So, yeah.
Speaker: And then we transition to another flashback. And Kate is at Tom's house. And she's looking at family photos on the fridge as Tom is talking to someone on the phone about trying to book the MRI scanner.
Speaker: After he finishes up the phone call, he talks about his son and wife. And Kate seems a little upset, you know, that Tom is with someone. obviously there's some history there. And he promises her that Diane will get a scan in the next few hours. So they have a little time to kill until then. And in the moments that follow, Kate comments about, wonder if it's still there.
Speaker: Tom acts a little reluctant. He's like, it's, you know, whatever time in the morning. But Kate's like, we might never get another chance. So they drive out to a field and they count their steps from a tree and begin to dig.
Speaker: So I'm gonna be completely honest. I thought they had killed someone and were digging up a body. For like a good amount of time. An embarrassing amount of time. I was like, they definitely killed someone.
Speaker: And I was like, maybe that's why she's on the run is because she got caught killing someone and he helped her like get away or whatever. right Obviously that was not the case.
Speaker: But that was what was going through my mind at the time. Also, see that I mean, it's very obvious that Kate is like in the Tom. Like, it's very obvious.
Speaker: yeah Like, especially like staring at all like the the photos of him with his baby and stuff like that. Like she just she's just really ticked off and ticked off. But she's kind of just sad that he actually has a life, I think, outside of her.
Speaker: He's the one that got away or she was the one that got away and now she regrets it. Right. ah this This is the connection I kept making is I was like, he said she got the man she loved killed.
Speaker: And I was like, this has got to be the guy. Yeah. So. Definitely.
Speaker: And then back on island after examining Michael, Jack concludes that there was something in his water and finds residue of a substance in his drinking bottle, suggesting that there was some foul play.
Speaker: And later when Jack checks up on Michael, he reveals the truth to him. And a live-in Michael immediately suspects Sawyer. However, Hurley also accidentally reveals to Locke that Kate was the fugitive, causing Locke and Jack to argue again about keeping secrets from each other on the island.
Speaker: And this part was hilarious too, because Hurley goes, well, how am I supposed to keep straight who knows what around here? Because Steve didn't even know about the polar bear. Yeah. I mean, i think this just goes back to me taking Hurley as the funniest character in the show and being one of the greatest characters ever.
Speaker: Yeah. For me, it's a toss-up between Sawyer and Hurley. I think they both have such a great one-liner. Yeah, they're both amazing. i think I agree with you. Michael, i think, was quick to jump the gun on Sawyer.
Speaker: i mean, ah to be fair, he was poisoned. I don't know why I'm saying he would be a little bit dramatic, but he was poisoned, so of makes sense. But he definitely jumped the gun on Sawyer. I think he should have thought a little bit more before he was like, it's this person.
Speaker: Yeah. And also, like I said, I love how petty John Locke is because Jack is kind of not shutting up about like, a you lied, you lied, you lied. he was like, well, you didn't tell us about the guns that you had.
Speaker: how how long did it take you before you told us about the guns you had? Why didn't you tell us that Kate was a fugitive? I love how petty that he's being because he actually does make a very good point.
Speaker: Yeah, he's making valid points, for sure. There are so many secrets that so many characters have kept. He is not the only person keeping secrets.
Speaker: And Jack is also keeping the same amount. if i mean, I'm not going to say if not more, because Locke won't tell anybody anything. But Jack is for sure, like, keeping a bunch of secrets. And he's no saint either.
Speaker: Right. Well, they're both doing what they think is is right. Right. And then also when Jack kind was like, why didn't you tell me about this? And Locke was like, last time I checked, I didn't report to you.
Speaker: Like, yeah I totally am like, do I agree he shouldn't have lied? I agree that he should not have lied to Jack about what happened to Boone. 100% agree with that. That was a blunder. That was a horrible blunder by John Locke.
Speaker: yeah However, I completely understand his reasoning of not telling Jack about the hatch. And furthermore, i think other characters do it so often that he's not, like, he's not a bad person for it. And I love...
Speaker: the Jack and Locke dynamic of this episode as well. Oh, absolutely. The Locke and Jack dialogue is one of my very favorite parts of the show. And I love this episode gave us a lot of good back and forth and conversations with them.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And then at the caves, Kate inquires after Michael and asks whether his place on the raft is now open. And Jack basically accuses her of poisoning him.
Speaker: And Kate acts severely offended and says, you really think I'm capable of that? And Jack says, I don't know what you're capable of. To which Kate walks off disgusted at Jack. It was amazing. like I loved the scene. I would say this is top three scenes um in the episode for today.
Speaker: Yeah. I loved Jack saying with the, with the, with the, with the, I don't know what you're capable of. Chef's kiss. jeff kiss Holy moly.
Speaker: It really makes you think like she's a fugitive and she won't tell people what she did. So it kind of like just makes you think, what did she do? What is she capable?
Speaker: And she says, you really think I'm capable of that? And it's like all offended. You are capable of it. You recommended the idea. I don't know what you're really think I'm capable of that?
Speaker: Yes! Because you did. like it makes like it makes so much sense. it's yeah It was so stupid. Yeah.
Speaker: I hear you. And then we transition to another flashback. And sometime later, Tom offers Kate a beer as they continue their dig before they manage to hit metal.
Speaker: Kate pulls out a box and inside is a time capsule with a number of childhood objects, including a red baseball cap, a baseball, and Tom's favorite toy airplane, which just so happens to be the same plane that the Marshall had in the safe before Kate and Jack got it out.
Speaker: And they also find a tape recording, which they play in the car. Young Tom and Kate comment on how they will be married when they find the capsule in the future and also about running away together.
Speaker: And during this, young Kate additionally mentions that Tom knows why she always wants to run away. The tape stops and then the two of them kiss. Pulling away, Kate apologizes as Tom says they'd better get to the hospital.
Speaker: Boo! yeah tom I thought you were better than this. Kate, I thought you would be a better person than this.
Speaker: Come on. Yeah. ah
Speaker: I don't know why the plane, and don't know why the toy plane is given so much significance. Like i get it was Tom's and I get that it was in the Marshall safe, but I don't really understand why it was in the Marshall safe.
Speaker: Maybe just because she like wanted it. i don't i really don't understand the significance of it. It keeps coming back, but I don't really understand why. Maybe it's just me being blind, and I get like Oceanic Flight... ah What is it? 415? 815. Is that right?
Speaker: eight went Wow, I was... Oh, i okay. 815. I wasn't that far off. I was one latin number off. Yeah, you weren't that far off. So, I mean, i I don't know. I think...
Speaker: oh I don't know why it's given so much significance. Yeah, you haven't missed anything. They haven't given us that information yet. Okay, good. I mean, i'll say it one more time. What are we doing?
Speaker: What are we doing? Tom, yeah you got ah you got a wife and a kid. Kate, you're an outlaw, and he's married and has a kid. Be better, both of you.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: And then back on the island at the caves, Walt finds Locke changing the bandages on his leg, and he wants Locke to know that he didn't poison his father. And when Locke grabs Walt's arm to say, I know you wouldn't do that, Walt suddenly stops saying, don't open it.
Speaker: Don't open it, Mr. Locke. Just don't open that thing. And Locke is like, what? What are you talking about? awesome like yeah i also loved this like that that's that's why i really liked this episode is because to me it didn't really feel that hate centric it felt like a very well-rounded episode and i love that sure sure i think sometimes the well-rounded episodes are a little bit better than like a a character specific one for example, I thought Homecoming, Charlie's second episode, focused way too much on Charlie, especially with the other events that were going on.
Speaker: But then there's some episodes like Walkabout or White Rabbit, which need... Or Numbers, which need to focus on the one specific character, just because character building and, you know, stuff like that. But then there's these episodes that are so well-rounded.
Speaker: i mean, honestly... Tabula Rasa was very much an episode like that because it was so far, it it came right after the pilot episodes. Yeah.
Speaker: And so we were still getting to know the characters and we were still learning about the mysteries of the island. And I felt like that was that same type of episode where even though it was a Kate flashback, there was so much ah else going on that was important to the story.
Speaker: Yeah. Another episode that I'm thinking of is the um
Speaker: The, uh... In translation is a really good example of that, I think. I think it focuses on, like, like it focuses on Jyn a lot, but it also is very central.
Speaker: Yeah. And i I love episodes like that, and I think this one does a really, really, really good job about it. This is so scary. Especially since we know Walt is special. um And he is terrifying.
Speaker: Like that whole, like, just don't open that thing. Don't open it. Like, yeah, it completely tonal shift in like three seconds. And we get it again at the and like the end of the episode.
Speaker: It is so creepy and it's so terrifying. And I love it. It makes me actually like Walt. Yeah, no, it was it was really an awesome scene. Creepy and intriguing. And yeah, I want to know more.
Speaker: and And here's the ears and thing. I don't think he knows anything. i don't think he he has that kind of like knowing. Like, you know, he doesn't yeah't know anything. I think it's kind of just his special.
Speaker: Right. And then also combined with the island, his specialness combined with the island. He's just like, whatever it is you're doing, don't do it. Yeah.
Speaker: So for sure.
Speaker: And then at the beach, Michael blankly tells Sawyer that he's off the raft, accusing him of poisoning him. And he says, I'm done with you. And Sawyer's like, uh-uh. Sawyer grabs Kate by the arm and pulls her over and reveals to the group that Kate was the fugitive on the plane, emptying out her backpack to reveal Joanna's stolen passport.
Speaker: And he says, Kate only cares about herself and would do anything to escape. don't know. I kind of see both sides of the story here. Yeah.
Speaker: This was actually the one scene with Sawyer that i wasn't I wasn't as big of a fan of him. i mean, not even as much the part of him calling her out as a fugitive. Like, just the whole grabbing her arm and yanking her over there. Like, was like,
Speaker: Yeah, I agree. i i The only thing that I do like is I do like that Sawyer stood on business. Yeah. I think... i think I don't like what he did, but I think he kind of had to. it was kind That was kind of a him or – it was a me or or you kind of situation, and he was like, I'm going choose me. I want off this island.
Speaker: you know Because if he if he kind of just let that happen, then she was getting off the island, and she was – Sawyer was having to stay there, and he's not letting that happen. So right i I definitely – I don't think he was entirely like, I mean, like I understand his motive. I don't love the way that he went about it, but I mean, it worked.
Speaker: So yeah, for sure. I don't know.
Speaker: And then in our next flashback, it becomes clear that fugitive Kate just wanted a few minutes to see Diane before her surgery. And she needed Tom's help to do this.
Speaker: And so in that final time together, Kate and her mom are reunited. And her mom is is not coherent. And so Kate is trying to talk to her and saying, hey, it's Katie. Apologizes for everything she's put her through.
Speaker: and then when Diane becomes coherent, though, instead of greeting her warmly, she starts screaming for people to help her. And so Kate runs out of the room because a security guard walked by.
Speaker: And she knocks him over and hits him with his own walkie. And then Tom sees what's going on and asks her what happened. And the two of them head for his car.
Speaker: But the police have already created a barricade to stop her from escaping. So she tells Tom, get out. Get out of the car. He's like, nope, I'm in it with you. And so she drives straight through the barricade, clipping the police car and drawing fire from the sheriff.
Speaker: And even though they managed to escape, it is very costly as Kate realizes that one of the bullets has hit and killed Tom. With very little time to think or do anything, Kate is forced to run from the car, leaving behind Tom and the toy airplane.
Speaker: So Kate did something to her mom. cause Yeah, there's some kind of baggage there. Yeah. yeah There is definitely some kind of baggage there.
Speaker: I'm really curious as to what she did. It's like killing me that I don't know. i'la Especially since like you're like oh like, you're seeing your mom or you're seeing your daughter and you're like, like as soon as you realize that it's your daughter, you start going, help me.
Speaker: Help me. You know, like... What did she do? and I'm so curious. I need, I need to know.
Speaker: First of all, I loved when Kate took out that guard. I thought that was freaking awesome. Yeah. But I don't understand why Tom had to go with her.
Speaker: thought Kate was like, I need your car. Like she kind of roped him into that.
Speaker: She roped him in by by saying, I need your car. But then at the same time, he kind of he kind of did it to himself because she was like, okay, go. Like she gave him the chance to leave. Yeah, him he made the decision. He was like, no, I'm staying. And as soon as he said, no, I'm staying, he he's dead. Yeah.
Speaker: So i don't know. Yeah, it tough scene. But we all knew it was coming. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: And then back on Island, we have a series of events that happen here. We start with Kate admitting that she was the criminal, but denying that she poisoned Michael. But he won't listen to her, and he reinstates Sawyer as the fourth passenger on the raft.
Speaker: And everyone really is staring Kate down in the scene and kind of looking on with judgment. And then they walk off, leaving her alone. with her toy airplane and the music that played at the end of the scene was so eerie and depressing and just perfect. i absolutely loved what was playing during this.
Speaker: That was great. And also I love the cinematography of seeing the plane in the sand. Yeah. And seeing Kate's face. I thought that was great. I also did think they were a little harsh on, on Kate.
Speaker: While I agree, she kind of was the, the bad guy this episode. I think outing her to everyone was great. was a little extreme. Yeah.
Speaker: Although, like I said, it was kind of a him or her kind of situation where he kind of had to. Right. so but I did feel bad for Kate in that moment.
Speaker: Yeah, hard not to.
Speaker: And then later, the raft is hurriedly being put together so that they can try to set sail as soon as possible. And Jack approaches Sun, and they're having a conversation, and he tells her that he knows that she is behind the poisoning, and she had intended to poison Jyn rather than Michael.
Speaker: And Sun breaks down in tears and admits that she didn't want Jen to die at sea and didn't know what to do. She said, and only used enough to make him. I wasn't trying to hurt him.
Speaker: And Jack says that her secret is safe. But he says, son, he's going. If I were you, I'd say goodbye. i don't know. Son, why'd you do it? why Why'd you do it?
Speaker: Like, it makes sense. Yeah. But... I think I was I was not expecting it to be sun at the moment. I was not expecting it to be sun. And when it was sun, I was like, whoa, that was like, that's crazy.
Speaker: And then, you know, we get the the next part where it's kind of like the double double cross where it wasn't really sun. it was Kate's idea. So, right.
Speaker: You know. Did you see that coming? Not at all. as soon as it was As soon as it was Sun, I was like, okay, that makes sense. But when Sun goes back to Kate and is like, yeah, your idea, was like, what?
Speaker: Yeah. There's no way. And especially since she acted all innocent the entire episode. You know? for sure. So... so yeah
Speaker: And then as night falls, Sawyer finds Kate telling her that he's back on the raft and that they will set sail tomorrow. Kate asks, are you here to say you're sorry, Sawyer?
Speaker: Sawyer laughs and says, you cornered me, Freckles. Said if you wanted my spot, you were going to take it. I guess I believed you. And Kate asks why he needs to be on the raft so badly. And Sawyer replies, because there ain't anything on this island worth staying for.
Speaker: And Kate looks absolutely crushed, but drops her hard exterior for a moment and says, be safe, Sawyer. I mean, also a great interaction.
Speaker: Great interaction. What a tough thing to say to someone that clearly you have feelings for and she has feelings for you. And man, that was intense.
Speaker: You can feel the tension. Like you can feel it. In that scene, i feel like there were a lot of great acting scenes and it was very, it was a very heartfelt episode. Yeah.
Speaker: It's such a good set of like different episodes. It's amazing. Like how it's progressing. Oh, I know. and think that's what Lost does very well is it's how well it progresses onward.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And then as we close out our episode, Walt and Michael sit by the raft and Walt reveals to his dad that he's the one that started the fire on the first raft. He says that he didn't want to leave the island at first.
Speaker: And Michael's actually very understanding. He says they can stay on the island if Walt wants. But Walt's like, no, we need to go. And so... Clearly that was tying back to his message to Locke.
Speaker: i I know. it it was crazy. Also, I thought Michael was way too calm. Like, your son burnt down the raft and you're like, okay.
Speaker: And then, like, you've been working on this raft for so long and he's like, yeah, we can stay. Yeah, that was unexpected. That was very unexpected. I mean, good for you though, Michael. Like, actually, like, supporting your son in his decision to want to stay with these people.
Speaker: Like, good for you. Yeah, definitely. Mad props. And then Walt just to be like, no we have to go. like And then and like that eerie music just sets back in. It's so creepy.
Speaker: i'm like it's i'm I feel like this finale is going to be insane. Oh, it is so insane. And I am here for it for my fifth watch. And I know you're going to be here for it.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Meanwhile, Sun finds Kate telling her Jack knows, but not about Kate's part. And we find out that the poisoning was Kate's idea all along. We've kind of already talked through this a little bit.
Speaker: Sun says Kate was only trying to help her, but the look on Kate's face obviously suggests another agenda. And Sun says that she always thought as a child that meeting the man she loved would make her life happy forever.
Speaker: and as Kate stares out into the dark, she adds, me too. And then... oh We fade to black with Lost hitting our screens. And another great episode is in the books, Nick.
Speaker: I mean, obviously, she was referring to Tom there at the end. But yeah, what an episode. I mean, I feel like we've been on a pretty good run of episodes lately. Oh, for sure. Yeah.
Speaker: like we've Like we've been... i feel like there hasn't been ah bad episode in a while. No, and and I'm going to be honest. Like season one, and we talked about this a little bit earlier. Season one all around, I feel like...
Speaker: there's not really a bad episode. There is a period where it feels like it drags a little bit. Yeah. Before we hit this string of episodes that we've been on. Right. I think.
Speaker: Right. For me, like episode 16 is really took off outlaws through where we're at now and into the finale. Yeah. yeah It's just super speed and and top notch, but.
Speaker: yeah i agree. I'm so excited about the finale and seeing what you think about that when we get to it. Yeah.
Speaker: Awesome. Well, it's time for our most loved, most hated segment. And this is the part of our episode where we talk about who are we loving at the current moments, who's trending up and then who are we hating or who's trending down.
Speaker: So kick us off, Nick, where are you starting today? Most loved or most hated? We're going start at most loved because I think that's easier. most Most hated is very difficult for me this this episode. Most loved, I'm going to put John Locke at one.
Speaker: Okay. i I think that's kind of obvious for me. Again, like I said, i love how petty he got. And I just love his character overall.
Speaker: He's so mysterious and he's such a he such a well-written character. Yes, and well acted. Yeah, exactly. I loved him and Jack this whole episode. They were amazing.
Speaker: Absolutely. My number two slot is going to go to Sawyer. Okay. Who I thought was really great this episode. and feel like we definitely saw a little bit of a sensitive and more human side to Sawyer in some ways. Especially like the end there with his interaction with Kate or his genuine kind like genuine confusion when when Michael blamed him for the poisoning. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: And he was just like i'd like, like what? That's not true. i mean, I might even be compelled to put him in the three spot because i feel like he did. You know, he he wasn't perfect this episode at all.
Speaker: Right. Which brings me to my number three slot is as Kate, believe it or not. All right, cool. She cracks the top three just because I like that we get to see a little bit more of a vulnerable side of Kate.
Speaker: Yeah. I thought she was really good in this episode. Did I like all of her decisions? And do I think that she was the best character? now But I think that she has to be in the number three slot just because, like I said, I love the de tension between her and Sawyer and I love all the dynamics that they have.
Speaker: Honorable mention goes to Jack just because I thought he was really good this episode too. Yeah. Most hated? ah me think about that.
Speaker: I guess I gotta to put Tom in there somewhere.
Speaker: Okay. i I think I gotta put him there somewhere just because he cheated on his wife. and Yeah. That's bottom three material. True.
Speaker: I don't really think there was a lot of people to put in the bottom three this episode. i feel like we we got a lot of Locke, Jack, Sawyer, and Kate. I guess i could I could put Michael in the bottom three, but I didn't really think he was that bad. and Like, for me, he wasn't... i Like, it wasn't horrible.
Speaker: Yeah, there's not, like, a clear line this episode to put people in the bottom. Yeah, so... So if you want to take a pass and you don't want to nominate all three, you're good.
Speaker: i I think I'm gonna... I think I'm gonna take a pass. Alright. That works. Now I have to, like, figure mine out again, because I think... I thought I had it in my head, and now I'm questioning.
Speaker: Okay, most loved... I agree with you. I'm going Locke and Jack as my top two this week. That's valid. I absolutely love their interactions.
Speaker: I was tempted just to throw Saeed in the top three with them because the three of them interacting together. i Yeah, he just didn't have enough screen time. Yeah, he didn't have enough screen time. I'm with you.
Speaker: So again, the ah you know millennial uncle here is is breaking all the rules because um I'm basically going with two ties for my my one and two spots, and then I'm going with third person.
Speaker: So my first tie is Jack and Locke. And their interactions. My second tie is Sawyer and Kate and their interactions. yeah And not even really the off-island stuff with Kate because I didn't really like her character off-island or I would not put her in my most love based on off-island.
Speaker: But really just the on-island interactions between her and Sawyer. i agree. And then number three for me is literally based on just the one creepy and amazing sequence and that's Walt.
Speaker: Walt, yeah. Just because i want know I want to know more about that. I want to know how he is you know learning these things or feeling these premonitions and how all that works and and what he's seeing or feeling or sensing or whatever it is.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And then Most Hated, I'm With You. It's really hard this episode. You know, Tom, Tom was a really nice guy and he was trying to help Kate out. I do agree with you, like, the has a wife and child.
Speaker: But if he's going to be in my my most hated, then off-island Kate has to be in my most hated, too. Which fine with. I guess we can split the two from now on, the off-island versus on-island sure.
Speaker: So yeah, Tom and then off island Kate is my most hated. And then my third most hated is just by default because she has earned it throughout the season. And that's Shannon. She's not leaving.
Speaker: I was gonna I was actually not I almost said Shannon, because she gave a really, really, really nasty look. Yeah, in in one scene towards Kate. And I was like, what are you looking at, Shannon? You're the worst. and the So she right. She also goes down there.
Speaker: Yeah, that's ah that's enough for her to be in it, for sure. Yeah, that's enough.
Speaker: Awesome. Well, now it's time for our theories and predictions. You know, we've been kind of sprinkling these in throughout the episodes. And this one, i don't know that there was really a ton that came up, but Where are you at on on your current theories and predictions? I don't think there's a lot to go off here. I mean, there was there's the hatch nonsense. I don't think they're going to open it.
Speaker: they might Actually, they might open it in this finale. am I lied. I want to change theory. They're going to open it in this finale. Okay. Although, if something bad is going to happen and Walt warned them.
Speaker: ah They're obviously going on this raft. Something bad's going to happen. Okay. Either on the raft or on the island, and the people on the raft will avoid what happens on the bat on the island, or something bad will happen on the raft, like sharks or something like that.
Speaker: Yeah, Walt did ask his dad if there were going to be sharks, so clearly they they had to bring sharks into it for some reason, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Awesome. Next up, we finally get into the season finale and it's a big one, essentially split into three different parts on Disney+. plus I believe the finale originally aired in two parts with one being over an hour and a half of content.
Speaker: And then you have the other normal episode length. ah But Disney Plus and Hulu have it split into three episodes. So we're going to be really aggressive here on our next podcast and cover all three 45-minute episodes in one podcast recap.
Speaker: I wish that I could actually be in the room with you while you experience this one. Yeah. Do you have any guess as to which character these episodes will center around?
Speaker: So it's centered around a character. It's not like, okay. I can't actually, i'm not at liberty to say. is each finale on a different character?
Speaker: let's Let's go with that assumption and see what your thoughts are here. Okay. With that assumption, i'm assuming there will be probably a Michael episode.
Speaker: Probably a Claire episode.
Speaker: oh no, I don't know any anymore. It could be a Michael. It could be a Claire. and also could be a Jack or a Locke.
Speaker: No, we just got a Locke. It would be a Jack. No, but we just got a Jack. Also remember, it originally aired in two parts.
Speaker: I see.
Speaker: I'm going Michael and Claire. Okay, Michael and Claire. Okay. What if you had to pick one character... because it only centered around one for you know, originally what aired as two parts.
Speaker: I want to say Michael, because this whole raft thing is about Michael, but I, and, but I definitely, and Michael and Walt are going to be a huge point of contention, but I also think it could be Claire considering the weirdness with the baby.
Speaker: Sure. I'll go Michael.
Speaker: Okay. Final answer. Final answer.
Speaker: All right, well, going to throw you for a big loop, and you're going to find out when you watch the finale episodes, my friend. Oh, come on! I'm not revealing it to you. ah Because I think it's that great when you actually realize, so I want you to experience it.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: You're totally mad at me right now, aren't you? Oh, a little bit. i figured. That's all right. I'll take the punches and I'll get back up because I think it's best for your overall viewing experience for me not to tell you. It probably is. It probably is. But man, so good.
Speaker: i am, like I told you, I've already rewatched all three parts of the finale twice. Yeah. And I am just pumped to hear what you think about it. Yeah.
Speaker: So listeners, make sure that you take some time to watch or rewatch the episode before we get into it next time. And don't forget to like, subscribe and leave a review.
Speaker: And we will see you next time. I'll see you next time.
