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The Hunting Party + Fire and Water Recap
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Jack, Locke, and Sawyer pursue Michael in ‘The Hunting Party,’ only to come face-to-face with the Others in a chilling standoff. Then in ‘Fire + Water,’ Charlie spirals as his past and visions of Aaron lead to dangerous choices. Our uncle recalls the intensity of the Others’ first real presence, while Nick reacts to Charlie’s descent and questions of faith, trust, and redemption.
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Podcast Introduction
00:00:21
Speaker
Terrific. You're listening to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. I'm Aaron DS and I'll be rewatching Lost along with my nephew Nick who will be watching it for the very first time.
00:00:37
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So come along with us and enjoy the journey.
00:00:42
Speaker
Let's get lost. Let's get lost.
00:00:50
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Welcome back to The Lost With My Uncle, a Lost Rewatch and First Timers podcast. I'm Aaron DS, your resident millennial Lost superfan. And I'm Nick, the nephew who's somehow still avoiding spoilers, despite everyone on TikTok knowing how the show ends.
00:01:10
Speaker
Ooh, that's true. Word gets around these days.
Midpoint of Lost Season 2 Discussion
00:01:14
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e And we're hitting the midpoint of season two now. Hard to believe how quickly we're moving through these and things are getting intense.
00:01:21
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Michael's gone rogue. The others are more mysterious than ever. And Charlie, well, let's just say Charlie's having some interesting dreams.
00:01:30
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Um, after the few, you know, last few episodes with all the tension building and the hatch and the others, I was, I was not ready for these two.
00:01:41
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Actually, ah this is one of the first times I have had to resist the urge to keep watching. Usually I'm really good about it.
00:01:52
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And I'm like, you know what? I'll save it for next time we do the podcast. And I'm like, I'm, I'm very good about it. Yeah. Yeah. This time it was it was a lot harder. And I can't believe we're already halfway through the season.
00:02:05
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That's actually
Listener Engagement Invite
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kind of crazy. This is zooming by compared to our last season. so It really is.
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And as always, we would love to hear any feedback that you have. Listeners, feel free to send us your comments, your questions to lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com. And again, that's lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com.
00:02:28
Speaker
So without further ado, let's get Lost. Let's do it.
00:02:34
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So in this episode tonight, we are discussing episodes 11 and 12 of season two of Lost.
Episode 11 Breakdown: Jack and Michael's Confrontation
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So we'll start here with episode 11, which was called The Hunting Party.
00:02:45
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And episode 11 is a Jack-centric episode, and it opens with Jack waking up in the hatch to find Locke knocked out in the gun vault. And Michael's going rogue.
00:02:56
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He's taken a gun. He's got some ammo. He's headed into the jungle to find Walt on his own. And Jack tries to talk him down from doing it alone. He's like, listen, Michael, we can put a plan together. But Michael threatens to shoot the computer if Jack doesn't get in the vault.
00:03:11
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Okay, Michael. I've been defending you this whole show. Like this whole show, I've been defending you.
00:03:23
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And then you go on and do some stupid crap like this.
00:03:32
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Michael, this is not the move. This is you have had barely any target practice with Locke. You cannot Rambo your way through the jungle against the others.
00:03:48
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Right? I'm also impressed that you used Rambo, given the age differences here. that that That's impressive to me. I know Rambo. All right. I love it. Not that young.
00:04:03
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And Jack, of course, immediately knows that this whole thing's a disaster waiting
Rescue Mission Dynamics
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to happen. So once Sawyer and Kate thankfully end up in the hatch for a Band-Aid change, and just in the nick of time, I might add, so that they can also push the button,
00:04:17
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Jack grabs Locke and some guns to head out after Michael, and then Sawyer talks his way into the rescue party, despite not being fully healed up, forming what I like to call the world's most dysfunctional rescue squad, but also just pure entertainment for our viewing experience when the three of them get together.
00:04:38
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I just want to say, i love this trio. I love this trio. Absolutely. Honestly, i here's here's what I think is going to get really difficult is ranking the episodes now because they they are all really, really, really solid.
00:04:56
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Like, really, really, really good. like ah so Like, especially, like, you would think after the first season and after we've gotten our initial initial character developments that they would, like, kind of get stale.
00:05:09
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They do not get stale. Sawyer's response to Jack when Jack says he's still on antibiotics and he's like, well, I mean, it's a good thing I'm traveling with a doctor with was it with my doctor.
00:05:22
Speaker
yeah And I mean, he also had, um, he had a lot of great lines. Oh, for sure. Oh, what did he say? did he say? He said something else. I'm trying to remember what else he said. He said something something hilarious to, um,
00:05:37
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Oh, when he said, oh, all he said mr Mr. Clean, why are we climbing Mount Fashif? I don't even remember what he said. But it was it was fantastic. I loved it.
00:05:48
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Yeah.
Jack's Protective Nature and Personal Struggles
00:05:50
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That was great. The whole thing with Sawyer was great. Also, Jack saying, hey, you can't come and being that person.
00:06:00
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Mm-hmm. He should not have done that. That was problematic. Kate has proven herself, I mean, time and time and time again.
00:06:11
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If not, she might be more experienced than... so i mean, she's got to be more experienced than Jack with a gun. You know? True. Yeah. Maybe not. Oh, no, yes, because she shot those guys at the bank at the um yeah bank heist.
00:06:27
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So, yes. Yeah, I mean, and Jack's just a doctor, so... Right. And he's all, it's too dangerous for you. Yeah, that moment definitely hasn't aged well.
00:06:42
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And Kate doesn't take it well. And even Sawyer calls Jack on it as they're trekking along. and And Jack's reply to Sawyer in that conversation was, yeah, I know you love her. And Sawyer's like, huh?
00:06:55
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So the triangle was in full swing again this episode, but Jack's in full protective mode, which ties into his flashbacks this episode as well. Mm-hmm.
00:07:06
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Yeah. um i i Again, i another thing that I love from this episode is just Sawyer. And i think Locke asks him, like, Sawyer, is anything familiar? And immediately he snaps back something like, oh, yep.
00:07:24
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but Right there, there's my favorite leaf. You know, it's just stuff like that. It's amazing. Oh, good. But to to go on your point with the flashbacks, <unk> we're back in the hospital again, shocker, and we see Jack and Christian seeing some deja vu with the spine and having to do a surgery in the back, and we see a little bit of the similar things that we saw with Sarah, but a different patient.
00:07:53
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Yep, we meet an Italian man this episode with a spinal tumor that Christian says is inoperable. But the twist here is the man's daughter, Gabriella, says, ah we didn't come here for you. We came for him.
00:08:06
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And Jack being Jack thinks he can fix the impossible.
00:08:12
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Yeah, in this episode we kind of see that with the struggles Sarah and Jack are having. Jack is working late hours. You know, Sarah tells him she is not pregnant.
00:08:25
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So they're having some frustration in the baby department. Just in the relationship department in general.
00:08:32
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Exactly. And there's also this implied connection between Jack and Gabriella, the way they look at each other. You sort of start to wonder if Jack's not just doing the surgery for medical reasons anymore.
00:08:46
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And then obviously he runs into some trouble here later.
00:08:50
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Yeah.
Jack's Marital Flashbacks
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Okay. So I also want to say, i i saw that from miles away. but Like even, i think it was probably not the first flashback, but the second flashback when they were talking, I was like, okay.
00:09:03
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Jack, what are you going to do? Because whatever you do is not going to be smart. So i saw that coming. I wasn't actually that surprised. But exact same thing that happened with um Jack and Sarah.
00:09:18
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You know, Vix is Sarah, falls in love. Vix is Gabriella's dad, falls in love with Gabriella. You know, it's it's like the same thing. You know, he gets emotionally and invested, promises that he can fix everything.
00:09:33
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really, he lucked out with Sarah because, in this case, reality kind of hit him in the face. For sure. And speaking of reality hitting faces, this episode hits Jin with a bit of domestic reality as well.
00:09:48
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Sun first makes him wear that wide-brimmed hat so he doesn't get sunburned, and Jin's like, what the heck? And I will say, and you've probably seen me in it, I have one of those wide-brimmed hats, and I wear with pride so that don't get skin cancer.
00:10:04
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And yeah I have no shame in my game on that one. You shouldn't. Yeah. And then Hurley comes up as we're seeing the scene with Jin in the hat, and he tells them about Michael wandering off.
00:10:19
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And I mean, Jin really, really, really wanted to go after him there. And Sun kind of lays down, nah, I'm your wife. I say, stay with me.
00:10:32
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And to be fair, you can't really blame her. and it kind of touches up on it later in the episode where she says, or he says, like, I don't like being told what to do. And she was like, I've been told what to do for four years.
00:10:46
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You know, like, yeah whatever, whatever, whatever. i mean, it was really powerful for them. and it's It's fantastic. I love their dynamic. Actually, now more than before.
00:10:59
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um like the Almost like they're grateful to have each other and Dunn isn't messing around and she's like, you know what? I made a mistake with not telling you that I speak perfect English, but at the same time, like let's work on fixing it. and they're actually my favorite i They are my favorite couple in Lost.
00:11:19
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Yeah. yeah It was just beautiful. I love that Jyn is able to, or I love that he has been able to kind of come around and realize his shortcomings. And Sun's done the same, and they're you know working to improve things.
00:11:38
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And then as we continue on with our hunting party, there's some great dialogue again this episode with Jack and Locke. Locke is asking Jack what his endgame is, and they debate what they will do if Michael doesn't want to come back.
00:11:51
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And there's an awesome line here, as John says, who are we to tell anyone what they can or can't do? Such an awesome line. absolutely love that line. And it's it's one of those things that applies to so many things in life and isn't really bound to any you know particular era or timeframe. It's just a great philosophical question that I've asked myself many times in life, even even in work and and different things. Like, who am i right?
00:12:18
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Mm-hmm. The interaction was great. And I think you could probably take that with with any of Locke's like famous quotes or echo. you could also say echo and you could say like, you know what?
00:12:35
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Like. We'll use the echo one. Do not mistake coincidence for fate. Yeah. I mean, that one's such a good one. You can, like, put that anywhere.
00:12:47
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Yeah, and and Jack kind of believes that he has to fix everything, as we've seen, and as Sarah tells him, actually, at the end, too, and talk other people into doing what he believes is best, and we see that with Desmond, and we see that with Locke, but Locke is kind of like you know, different. And he's like, you know, supernatural.
00:13:09
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You know, what let's just let that do its thing.
00:13:13
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Same result, but different ways to get there. It's kind of like a Jack and Locker is like, um what is it? Unstoppable force means a movable object.
00:13:24
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Yes. That's what they are. If I had to explain. Great observation. I love that.
00:13:33
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And one thing I don't want to forget in this episode is there were so many great character interactions and development. We have Locke and Sawyer with the convo about why he picked his name. And I think that was the part you alluded to where he called him Mr. Clean.
00:13:47
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And yeah Locke was like, what why did you pick that your name? And he was like, well, you look like the guy on the commercial. And, you know, obviously Locke was asking him why he picked the name of James.
00:14:01
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Yeah, it was a fantastic conversation. um And the show reminding everybody, his name isn't Sawyer, like at all.
00:14:13
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It is James. I mean, we we learned that in the first season, but I mean, we kind of forget it. And I believe we learned that at the police station. But interesting how the show wanted to bring it up again.
00:14:28
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. maybe some Maybe some foreshadowing there, maybe some reason why they're bringing it back around. And then as we close out our flashbacks to this episode, Jack has failed during the surgery.
00:14:42
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He apologizes to Gabriella in the parking lot after the surgery. They, of course, end up kissing. We all saw it coming. Yes, we did. Jack does stop them and walks away from her saying, I can't. I'm married.
00:14:55
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Then he goes home and admits to Sarah that he kissed her and that he's not been what he should have been and that he will fix it. Yeah.
00:15:07
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And then we find out Sarah is the worst person in the world and has been seeing someone else and was already leaving him.
00:15:19
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And it's really sad to see it fall apart. But also good to understand the why, because we've been um wondering that for a really long time now. So it makes sense, and it plays into his persona a lot.
00:15:33
Speaker
Exactly. And this leads us back on island to one of the most intense encounters with the Others we've had so far.
Encounter with the Others
00:15:41
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Our group is wandering through the jungle after hearing gunshots.
00:15:45
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They've got torches lit up at night when suddenly they hear the voice of the guy from the boat in season one who took Walt. And he asks them to sit down and have a little conversation with him.
00:15:59
Speaker
Okay. Let me just say, this has got to be, i don't want to say the highlight of season two, but it's pretty up there.
00:16:11
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yeah This was such a cool moment. Like, such a cool moment. For sure. I mean, the leader guy, i wouldn't expect him to be the leader, but he is.
00:16:22
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He's got this super calm and friendly type of talk holding them at gunpoint, you know? he knows their names.
00:16:33
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I'm assuming because of Walt. Or he's just been stalking them. Or Ethan. Ethan also would would yeah get that. Yeah, that's true. yeah it's The whole thing is is kind of creepy and crazy to think about.
00:16:49
Speaker
And he calls Jack by name first, and he says, the decision you made to come after your friend was on Wise. He then gives them this ultimatum about how they need to stay on their side of the island, telling them, this is not your island.
00:17:02
Speaker
This is our island. And the only reason you're living on it, because we let you. And that line just gave me chills the first time I watched it. It's so good. It's so, so good.
00:17:13
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The whole scene was crazy. The light him up part where where Jack is like, i bet you there's only one guy with a gun. And he ends up revealing like 20 or 30 them.
00:17:24
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And it shows you how many of the others there are. And little two things. One, we find out they have Kate. Yeah. That was the worst part.
00:17:36
Speaker
I was really upset about that. Yeah. Kate's kind of on the uprise for me, and I feel like I have to, she loses some brownie points after that.
00:17:48
Speaker
Even though it technically wasn't her fault, but yeah she still loses a little bit brownie points. and and and and and and and And, and, and, and, I did notice one thing.
00:18:01
Speaker
noticed more than one thing. But I noticed one thing about this certain part, is he says, Alex, bring her out.
00:18:11
Speaker
So Alex, Danielle's head is there. Yeah. So, you know, Alex exists.
00:18:23
Speaker
And I really want to know more. so Yeah, for sure. yeah Yeah, the Kate one was hard. yeah Because obviously from one perspective, we don't like the way Jack mansplained to her that it was dangerous and she couldn't go.
00:18:41
Speaker
That wasn't cool. But also she puts them in the situation where they end up conceding and giving up the guns.
00:18:49
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly. It's a tough one. it's It's kind of a hard line to read.
Character Interactions and Reflections
00:18:55
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i did like how Jack and Kate ended it this episode where, you know, just, I'm sorry. And Jack also saying, I'm sorry. And Sawyer, i will also say Sawyer with his line to the the other leader, you and me ain't done Zeke. I mean, first of all, so good.
00:19:16
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So good. Second of all, I don't think Sawyer has been any cooler than he was this episode. I don't know what it was. Like, even from the start, when Sawyer said, all right, like, give me, like, like, I'm coming. Like, it's a good thing. Or he said, you know, he said that line where good thing I'm with my doctor then.
00:19:34
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And he takes his gun and he like, talks it and and like, we get like a shot of his face. I was like... He is so cool. was like, oh my god. And he's actually come so far for me to think I didn't really like him that much in the first little bit because i thought he was emo and stuff like that.
00:19:55
Speaker
Yeah, he has come a long ways and he was awesome for this episode. I agree. yeah And I also love, you know, talking about Jack and Kate and how they ended things with the apologies. I love Jack's ability also to kind of see his mistakes after the fact in this episode and self-reflect. Right. Because that's what it's all about in life. and And so I love that lots of the characters on the island in Wasp, like, they're flawed, but they're self-reflecting. They're owning up to things. They're trying to change some things about themselves.
00:20:30
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Mm-hmm. And, you know, they're in a tough situation because the others know everything about them. The others control the island and they get to them at any time.
00:20:40
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, the way that this episode ends with Jack, Locke and Sawyer walking back to camp and defeat, you rarely see that. So, you know, they're like beaten the way that they are.
00:20:54
Speaker
Yeah, and one other thing before I forget that wanted to mention from this episode, we had a fun character-building scene where Charlie and Hurley were just being good friends again and and listening to some music in the hatch and talking about girls and Hurley saying, what do you think the deal is with that Libby chick?
00:21:11
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And obviously we know that progresses a bit further in our next episode. Yeah. Along with the Charlie comment about, you think Claire misses me? So that was kind of cool just to watch them interact.
00:21:22
Speaker
And I do want to mention Hurley's response to that question. Dude, it's been one day. yeah i mean I mean, Hurley is still... i haven't We haven't really been talking too much about Hurley since the the Hurley episode.
00:21:37
Speaker
He really is still one of my favorites. I really don't think... Like, I have this this you know most loved, most hated segment, but I think Hurley will stay in my top three forever.
00:21:50
Speaker
yeah No matter what happens to him, I think it's fantastic. But Hurley kind of feels like the communicator. Because he people tell him stuff, and he's not really supposed to tell people, and then he doesn't anyway.
00:22:05
Speaker
When he tells his son and Michael, or son and... Not son. Son and Jin about Michael being gone, and then he's like, oh, yeah. ah Jack and ah Locke and Sawyer and Kate went out. As soon as he said, and Kate, I was like, okay, I know what's up.
00:22:21
Speaker
Kate's gone off. Yeah. But, yeah, he's kind of like... you know, moving in info around between survivors, which I appreciate.
00:22:34
Speaker
For sure. And then this episode ends with a couple of
Strategic Shift: Training an Army?
00:22:39
Speaker
threads. We see the group return to the beach and Sawyer tells Freckles, AKA Kate, that's kind of his name that he's got for her, that he would have done the same thing if he was in her shoes.
00:22:51
Speaker
And then Locke goes to see Claire and the baby while Charlie looks on, say, longingly or with a look of jealousy, I guess, in his eyes. Yeah. And then Jack has a conversation with Anna Lucia and the episode ends with Jack asking her, how long do you think it would take to train an army? Mic drop ending, Nick.
00:23:13
Speaker
and That ending had me so excited. I think I was laying down on the couch and I i shot up and was like, let's go. Let's freaking go. I was i was so excited.
00:23:29
Speaker
What's your overall take of this episode currently as you sit?
00:23:37
Speaker
I don't think anything in season two has been below 7.5.
00:23:43
Speaker
Everything has been so great. and And that's really rare in a show for you to be able to actually deliver throughout the seasons and give a consistent, if not better ah season than you did in the previous one. And it might just be because they raised so many questions and are now giving us a little bit more and kind of stringing things together slowly, but surely. And that's why I like it better. But I mean, it was it was a great episode. i
00:24:14
Speaker
Ranking it against others, um let's be honest. Be honest. like Recency bias is gone. ah Recency bias is gone. I'm not and thinking about that.
00:24:27
Speaker
The only thing that they really do here is the whole other scene. That's, I think, the main takeaway from this episode. It's just that the other scene, and that's really it. Nothing crazy too, too crazy happens.
00:24:40
Speaker
so No, it's just, it's a lot of character development and character interactions, which I think is why, I think that's why season two has shined so far, is because there' there's a lot of space for that.
00:24:54
Speaker
Yeah, there's also a lot of new characters for that as well. True. um But I think just because not that much happened in terms of, like, actual plot-wise, I think I would probably put this about middle of the pack.
00:25:10
Speaker
Oh, okay. I mean, maybe a little bit higher than middle, but I feel like I've been saying that every single time we do this, as I say, it's a little bit higher than middle. And I would say by the end of the season, you'll change your opinion anyway once you have all of Yeah.
00:25:27
Speaker
I mean, I really should start ranking them now. You should. That's what I should At least at least do your V1 of v twenty eight Yeah, I really, seriously.
00:25:38
Speaker
if you ah If you think that these 12 episodes in the first half of season two have been good, we're just getting into the good stuff. oh we're Oh, okay, we're just getting into the good stuff. Okay. Yeah, we're just getting into stuff. excited.
00:25:52
Speaker
I'm super excited.
00:25:55
Speaker
Awesome.
00:25:58
Speaker
Well, cool. Let's get into episode 12, which is titled Fire and Water. And episode 12 shifts gears completely.
Charlie-Centric Episode and Dreams
00:26:08
Speaker
It's a Charlie-centric episode.
00:26:10
Speaker
And honestly, Nick, this one's divisive amongst fans and interesting to say the least. So curious, given your current distaste for Charlie, what your overall opinion of this episode was.
00:26:22
Speaker
Yeah, okay. I mean, I really didn't think about that until now, but that actually does make a lot of sense. i Charlie's having these weird dreams about baby Aaron being in danger. And everyone thinks he's using drugs again.
00:26:42
Speaker
So in the sense, there was cool stuff. Flashbacks this episode were blah.
00:26:49
Speaker
Yeah. That's the best word for it. Um...
00:26:54
Speaker
And oh the weird diaper commercial that Driveshaft had to do, I don't know why that was such a big thing. Yeah. I mean why was that a flashback? I mean, there was a lot to to unpack in this episode.
00:27:10
Speaker
A lot of on-island stuff. And I will say it did feel like on the weaker side. 100%. one hundred percent Yeah, I hear you. nothing Nothing really happens this episode, which is kind of unfortunate.
00:27:27
Speaker
And it did does... I won't say it helps, but it doesn't hurt my opinion on Charlie. Okay.
00:27:39
Speaker
Well, that's good, because we don't need you going any lower than where you're currently at on that one. Yeah, that's true. And I will ah drop a little truth bomb on you here. This episode is consistently ranked in the bottom episodes of all time for Lost, for what it's worth.
00:27:56
Speaker
Wow! yeah Really? since we were Yeah, since we were having that conversation about how the episodes rank and how everything's been so good this season, this one gets a lot of pushback, I guess, or people just weren't... I would not have expected that.
00:28:16
Speaker
yeah I mean, okay. I get where I 100% get where people are coming from, but I wasn't expecting it to be one of the lowest rated in the entire show. That's crazy. Yeah, that's pretty interesting.
00:28:28
Speaker
oh And obviously we will we'll need to have many more conversations about that once we get to the end of season six and just kind of debrief on everything. Oh, that's going to take so long.
00:28:38
Speaker
We're going have a five-hour episode. We're going to have to do a whole season just to debrief. We are. But for this episode, I think we can go pretty quickly through most of our commentary on the flashbacks.
00:28:52
Speaker
Most of the episode really dove deeper into Charlie's relationship with his brother Liam and, you know, ah naturally centered around Driveshaft. But there wasn't anything, like, too crazy that we hadn't already gotten into in the past.
00:29:06
Speaker
But the first episode opens with one of the most surreal dream sequences Lost has ever done. So before we get to the flashbacks... We actually think we're seeing a flashback scene. We think we're seeing Charlie and Liam's childhood.
00:29:20
Speaker
Charlie's being given a piano for Christmas. And then this weird stuff starts happening where they are all of a sudden older in the same scene. And Liam is sitting there in diapers. So i guess foreshadowing the diaper commercial.
00:29:34
Speaker
Yeah, no, I actually thought about that. Yeah. Yeah. And then Charlie's all of a sudden underwater on the edge of the beach. There's a piano. Baby Aaron's crying inside the piano. So it's very triple trippy and unsettling, for sure.
00:29:50
Speaker
um The sound design is amazing. like read Like, Michael... Gian... No. Gianquino.
00:30:01
Speaker
Something like that. I'm really close. Gianquino. Fantastic. He does an amazing job. He actually does an amazing job. i almost said Hans Zimmer. He's also a really good... um He's also a very good sound director.
00:30:14
Speaker
Yeah, he actually did that new F1 movie that just came out. Anyway, don't get distracted. And then he comes running out of the jungle asking if Aaron's okay. And I feel like he doesn't really care...
00:30:29
Speaker
You know, like, I feel like he's only taking care of Aaron because he wants to look good for Claire. That's my opinion. And I mean, it might be a wrong one, but that's the only I mean, that that's the really thing for me.
00:30:44
Speaker
I think the creepiest part of the dream being, you know, the, the mom, Oh, this piano is going to change the world. You're going to get us out of here. You're going to get us out of here. You're going to get us out of here. there' a lot of pressure. Um, and you know, knowing what kind of happens to their relationship makes it really sad. Yeah. And there's, there's a lot of interesting stuff there really in Charlie's relationship dynamics with Liam and how he kind of had to parent Liam and,
00:31:14
Speaker
you know i think that I think there is a lot there with Charlie where, and and I'm not saying he's not trying to impress Claire, but obviously he wants to impress Claire and wants her to love him. But I also think that Charlie charlie has the desire to have a family, i think, from what we've seen. Yes.
00:31:32
Speaker
Yes.
00:31:35
Speaker
Jumping into those flashbacks where Liam is becoming a dad, but his addiction is destroying everything. He misses the birth of his own daughter because he is high and, you know, messes up that commercial sponsorship that they have for the diapers. And Charlie's covering for him constantly at this point. And and Charlie is becoming an addict himself.
00:31:58
Speaker
I mean, he took on Liam's problems plus his own. and the guilt about the band failing. And then at the end of the flashback, you know, Liam sees Charlie's piano and sells it and quits the band to save his relationship with his family.
00:32:17
Speaker
But you can't, like, I understand both sides so well because obviously Liam turning his life around, fantastic. But you you feel bad for Charlie who clearly wants this family but has never had it.
00:32:32
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Exactly. And back on the island, Charlie's convinced that baby Aaron needs to be baptized because of his dreams, and he also had a conversation with Mr. Echo.
00:32:45
Speaker
But the way he goes about it is problematic. Uh, he tries to take the babe into the ocean without telling Claire.
00:32:58
Speaker
No, he wouldn't do that. The scene where she's screaming like, someone took my baby, someone took my baby, someone took my baby. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Very unsettling.
00:33:12
Speaker
Very creepy. Very upsetting. i have no words.
00:33:23
Speaker
Yeah, and Charlie's justification is that his dreams are warnings and that the baby is in spiritual danger, but obviously from everyone else's perspective, Charlie just looks unhinged.
00:33:34
Speaker
He actually does. Like, i'm like i if I was anybody, i would be like, Charlie, what are you talking about? And Locke, being Locke, finds Charlie's stash of Virgin Mary statues, so everyone kind of assumes that he's on heroin.
00:33:52
Speaker
which makes his behavior around the baby seem even worse than it actually is.
00:34:00
Speaker
Yeah, and that confrontation between Charlie and Locke was intense. Locke's disappointed with Charlie, but not surprised. And you can see how much that hurts Charlie.
00:34:12
Speaker
Locke was one of the few people who believed in him. I'd also like to bring up at this point that it was quite a strange shift from the lock of last episode who said, who are we to tell anyone what they can or can't do?
00:34:26
Speaker
And it's interesting to me, is it a little bit of hypocrisy in this situation where Charlie is involved and lock is basically micromanaging him? now I get the, you know, drugs are involved, but still, what are your thoughts there?
00:34:43
Speaker
Okay. This is where things get super difficult for me in terms of a lot of different areas. I think
00:34:54
Speaker
ah in in my eyes, in my vision, Locke cares so much for Charlie and knows that Charlie can get off of the heroin. You know, he knows it.
00:35:06
Speaker
He knows it. And he knows it because it's true. And Charlie has been off of the heroin. But he takes it as ah as a safety. I mean, sometimes you need people to get you out of the tough situation you're in, you know?
00:35:18
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Sometimes you can't do it alone, and that's kind of what it seems like to me. I don't see it as Locke micromanaging. i see as I see it as Locke helping Charlie out. Sure.
00:35:30
Speaker
Do I agree there was a little bit of a shift in Locke's personality this episode? One billion and ten percent. ah um So, i will say that does kind of knock Locke down a few pegs.
00:35:46
Speaker
But he's already, like, but leagues and leagues and leagues and leagues and leagues ahead of everybody else, so it doesn't really down yet. Yeah, I get it.
00:35:58
Speaker
And Charlie just went about everything this episode the wrong way. Mm-hmm. and And that's what makes it so uncomfortable to watch. Like, Charlie's not evil, and I genuinely think that he has good intentions. He also brings up a good point to Locke about, hey, Kate's seeing horses in the jungle.
00:36:17
Speaker
Everyone else is seeing Walt wandering around. Wet Walt. But when it's me, I'm using. But obviously, yeah you know, when you have a history, that's the natural response people are going to have. Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:31
Speaker
And also, um'm sure you noticed this, but Charlie got beat up physically this episode. He got slapped by Claire across the face, and then later Locke gave him a couple of pretty good right hands.
00:36:43
Speaker
no
00:36:47
Speaker
Locke gave him a one, two, three. Yeah, he did. Wow, wow, wow. I was not expecting that from what i like at all from him.
00:36:58
Speaker
And we we don't really ever get a clear answer um if his dreams mean anything or if it's subconscious guilt. And I think Loss is kind of like that, where they have a lot of dream sequences that make absolutely zero sense and have never come back.
00:37:22
Speaker
You know, like, I'm thinking of Jack's dad walking behind him in White Rabbit from season one. Right. And we have never, ever, ever gotten any clarification. I'm i'm i'm going to Hurley's dream of Jen speaking English in a random man in a chicken costume. You know, like, yeah we're that's we're never going to circle back to that. I hope we circle back to this because it's a little, i would like a little bit more explanation.
00:37:52
Speaker
Also, I think back to... ah Oh, I know it. It's on the of tongue. Deuce Ex Machina, where Locke has the vision of bloodied Boone and Teresa falls up the stairs, Teresa falls down the stairs.
00:38:06
Speaker
And I feel like we we get some explanation on these, but we never get a full explanation, and there's a lot of unknowns, and I really hope they come back to tie up some of those loose ends.
Hurley and Libby's Romance Subplot
00:38:18
Speaker
Yeah, I hope so too. I hope that they answer all your questions on that and tie up those loose ends.
00:38:26
Speaker
And then the other thing in this episode that I wanted to touch on is there's also this subplot with Hurley and Libby that's much lighter. Sawyer's a part of this, which was fun. He was kind of giving Hurley dating advice and kind of hilarious, but also, you know, sweet of Sawyer. And he's the one that initially yells out and then jumps and hides in the tent. He's like, Hey Libby. Yeah.
00:38:48
Speaker
which was funny. So what do you think of the Hurley and Libby dynamic? Will Hurley finally find love? Well, I want to go back to the Sawyer and Hurley thing.
00:38:59
Speaker
New nickname for Hurley just dropped from Sawyer and that nickname being Jabba. Jabba. Which is amazing. I know.
00:39:12
Speaker
Sawyer's the best, but his nicknames are just so good. They're so good. I do think so I do think really will find love. I think Livy was trying to make it very obvious that she was into him.
00:39:25
Speaker
Very, very, very obvious. And Hurley's just an idiot. that's why Like he's got no idea. like she was Like, she was like, do you think this top would look good on me? And he was like, uh... She was like, usually when I say something like that, I want validation.
00:39:42
Speaker
Yeah. And then he was like, it looks awesome, dude. Yeah, right. That was his response. He's just awkward. But I think Libby is totally into him. And I actually do think they could be a really great couple.
00:39:55
Speaker
Better than Saeed and Shannon Barf. Agreed. and Speaking of relationships, I do think that we are finally going to get into a, especially after the conversation we had, i don't know if it was this episode or last episode. I think it was this episode.
00:40:09
Speaker
where we um had Anna Lucia and Jack talking and Anna Lucia was like, are you hitting that to Jack and Kate? And he's kind of like, no you know.
00:40:21
Speaker
So I think Anna Lucia and Jack are going to become a thing. And I do think Sawyer and Kate are going to advance a little bit more, which I honestly like better than Jack and Kate. I don't think Jack and Kate makes sense.
00:40:34
Speaker
considering Jack as kind of this, I don't want to say goody two shoes because we have evil Jack, but we have outlaw Sawyer and we have outlaw Kate. I think that makes a lot of sense. We have goodie do ah goody two shoes.
00:40:47
Speaker
I'm saying in air quotes, Jack with cop, like who follows the law and all that kind of stuff I think that makes a little bit more sense in my mind. So, well, they've definitely been very chummy since Sawyer's return.
00:41:03
Speaker
Correct.
00:41:06
Speaker
And it's nice to have these moments of normalcy and potential romance even when everything else on the island has been getting so dark and complicated. Yeah.
00:41:17
Speaker
And as we end this episode, we have the Jack and Charlie scene where Jack is stitching Charlie up from Locke's punches. And Charlie assures Jack that he didn't use, didn't do drugs, and he won't do anything like starting the fire again.
00:41:32
Speaker
And then we have the Echo and Claire scene where she asks if baby Aaron needs to be baptized. And he baptizes both of them. And then as Locke puts the Virgin Mary statues on the top shelf of the vault in the hatch, we see Charlie staring at the fire ominously. And then we fade to black with boss hitting our screens.
00:41:53
Speaker
And another two episodes in the books for season two, Nick.
00:41:58
Speaker
Overall, i actually didn't hate this episode, which you would, might be, you know, contradicting of what you think my wood opinion would be. Yeah.
00:42:09
Speaker
I don't hate it. I, do i dislike Charlie? Yes. This gave me some, and this gave him some leeway. Like, I don't hate him quite as much.
00:42:23
Speaker
Uh, Do I think, is he still one of my, like, like is he a top character for me? No. not Not even close. But I will say he he has grown on me a little bit this episode.
00:42:40
Speaker
And, i mean, there's just a lot to to take from this. i do think I do think Locke is kind of being a little interactive with Claire.
00:42:53
Speaker
He says like, oh do you want me to come like sleep down by your tent for a few days? I don't know if that's because Claire wants to be closer to Locke or if she wants to be safe from Charlie, who has tried to steal her baby twice now, um or actually three times at this, like in total. But when she asked Locke, I guess it had only been two.
00:43:14
Speaker
So it's interesting. It's an interesting dynamic. That's that's that's all I'll say. And I'll get up probably a little bit more into it if we when we get into Most Love, Most Hated. Okay.
00:43:26
Speaker
Well, let's talk, let's kind of flip, flip the script a little bit before we get into most loved, most hated tonight. And let's, let's talk about theories and predictions because we need to, need to circle back on the whole others thing in the jungle. And I need all of your thoughts on, on what's going on there.
00:43:42
Speaker
Yes. Okay. I don't necessarily have too, too, too many, but will definitely say, i think they have an obsession with taking children. I don't know why, if they're trying to convert them young or something, but, like, they took the kids from the Tayleys, which I now understand that you got from Hurley, because Hurley used that nickname in one of these two episodes.
00:44:06
Speaker
So, got Tayleys. Did or did Hurley get it from me? ah well, obviously Hurley would have gotten it from you. Right. But, and then they also, like, they also took Alex when he was super young.
00:44:18
Speaker
Or she. I don't really, I think he. I'm pretty sure he Mm hmm. So it's kind of crazy to think that solitary episode nine with Saeed and Danielle was that long ago.
00:44:33
Speaker
And we've like we haven't really gotten much more with Danielle since then. Yeah. So, i mean, it'll be it'll be interesting for sure. Theories. I don't really have a crazy amount.
00:44:45
Speaker
I don't think we're going to hear too much from the others, considering they said, we'll stay on our side, you stay on yours. I think that's kind of we're all we're going to get for a little bit um until they train their army and go hunt the others.
00:45:01
Speaker
Which, I mean, if there's six whole seasons, I imagine they're not very successful. You know, because there's no way they'll kill them all or whatever.
00:45:12
Speaker
And also, you have to think about the security system, quote, quote, or smoke, if you will, that exists. The monster. Yeah, there's that.
00:45:24
Speaker
That's about all I got for you. I don't really have that much running through me. All right. That's fair. Well, let's get into our Most Loved, Most Hated segment. So if you're listening for the first time,
00:45:35
Speaker
It's not likely that you jumped in on season two, episodes 11 and 12 and haven't listened before. But we do a segment here called Most Love, Most Hated. And this is a chance for us to share which characters are trending up in the episodes and which characters are trending down or who we're hating in the current episodes. And and like Nick said earlier, this is not necessarily our running list of favorites or non-favorite characters. It's just the current moments in these episodes.
00:46:03
Speaker
So who you got, Nick?
00:46:07
Speaker
Uh, okay. What I'll say off rip is this, this was a very hard set of decisions for me to make. I've been thinking about it all day. wow I'm still not 100% on everything.
00:46:21
Speaker
i think there were a lot of characters to pull from, which is what makes this so difficult. We'll start with most loved because I think that makes more sense to start with. Starting at my least loved for this episode out of the three, um I have Jack.
00:46:36
Speaker
I do, and usually he's not up there, but i think he's been on a pretty good streak. I really did like his episode. I do really like all the Jack episodes. Do I like his decisions with Gabriella?
00:46:49
Speaker
Do I like the amount of Jack that we saw in his episode? Yes, I did. Yeah. I think, do I like that he mansplained to Kate? No, did not like that.
00:47:02
Speaker
Yeah. But I think overall, I did like the way that he led them there. Maybe if Locke was doing tracking and stuff like that, it still was a Jack-centric episode, so I feel like I kind of have an obligation to put him towards up there.
00:47:17
Speaker
Right. So I have him at the three. um At the number two... I have John Locke, who has been, who would have been top spot if it weren't for his behavior in Fire and Water, which, and again, i don't think there's anything that he did wrong. i just think it was out of character.
00:47:37
Speaker
I'm a little, like, taken aback by it. I would never expect Locke to go and punch Charlie three times. Was Charlie insane? Yes. Would I ever expect ah Locke to punch Charlie?
00:47:50
Speaker
No. But then again, Charlie did 100% deserve all three of those punches. Right. I do think Locke is getting extremely close to Claire, and I don't know why. i don't know. I don't want to say that I have a theory that he's like after baby, because that makes absolutely no sense.
00:48:08
Speaker
And I think he's being just a genuine guy. But I feel like we're seeing more and more scenes where Locke is talking to Claire, which wouldn't really be an interaction that I see a ton of.
00:48:22
Speaker
Just considering we saw, I mean, we saw him build the cradle for her, but that's kind of all the interaction they've had. Right. So, and then all of a sudden he's in there like swimwear.
00:48:37
Speaker
Moving up to my most loved for these two sets of episodes, I don't think it was a competition. think it was an easy pick for me. had Sawyer at my number one, or should I say James?
00:48:50
Speaker
I figured... I think just his banter throughout the whole the whole two episodes, like it didn't even, like i would expect, like we got a lot of Sawyer in the first episode, so I was like, okay, we're not going to get that much in the second episode. I'll probably have Sawyer at my like top three, but maybe like the three spot.
00:49:06
Speaker
We got enough Sawyer. We got enough Sawyer in the next episode for me to put him up there. Like his like two or three lines are like spectacular. And I really can confidently say i have never seen a cooler character in Lost than Sawyer in Hunting Party.
00:49:26
Speaker
It was amazing. I think the only thing that would rival that would be probably John Locke in Walkabout. Right. i that That episode really is so good. Anyway, Sawyer's my number one by far.
00:49:40
Speaker
I want to say, has nothing to do, it's not an honorable mention, we have not seen a lot of Saeed, actually. right And I'm quite curious because he was like, and I mean, obviously he lost Shannon. So he's probably a little, mean, broken up over that, but they, and Charlie was like, Oh, everyone's gone out to go find Michael. And, you know, Saeed was like, who's everyone?
00:50:05
Speaker
Like almost like he wanted to help. So, but he just wasn't asked to, and wasn't there. So. Okay. ah Well, before you get into your most hated, my most loved are exactly the same as yours this week. or And even to the way that you ranked them, you know, obviously Sawyer didn't get as much face time in the Fire and Water episode, but he was awesome in The Hunting Party. Yeah.
00:50:32
Speaker
And I think Locke does beat out Jack, like you said, just because Locke was very involved in both episodes. Right. And even even though like there was a big shift and he was a little more...
00:50:44
Speaker
you want to say controlling of Charlie or whatever, like I do think that he has his good reasons and sometimes tough love is that reason. so I think, I think I'm okay with that. I was just raising it as a conversational point earlier.
00:50:57
Speaker
Sure. And then I agree with you. Jack was, Jack was great. Obviously his, his Jack centric episodes are always very intriguing I don't obviously agree with some of his decisions off-island or on-island and some of the things that he did, but I thought overall his character arc was great in The Hunting Party, and obviously he had some some part in Fire and Water as well. so Yeah.
00:51:27
Speaker
Okay.
00:51:30
Speaker
Most hated. here Let's hear the hated. It's really, really, really hard. I can't... Like, I have... Okay, I have four people that I want to put in my Most Hated. I cannot for the life of the Order.
00:51:44
Speaker
Honorable mention.
00:51:47
Speaker
So this is like, if there was a four slot, they would be in the four slot for Most Hated. Okay. Will be Kate. Okay. I don't really want to put her there. She's just there because...
00:52:00
Speaker
I mean, do I agree with Jack telling her now? Of course, I do not agree with that. But if he said it, why would you go off and trail him if you know that they're going to go find Michael and possibly run it into the efforts? I feel like that was just kind of stupid.
00:52:20
Speaker
And then, you know, yeah get caught and Yada, yada, yada. And that's that's on her. it is on her.
00:52:31
Speaker
But she is definitely my least out of the the four that I've got going here. So she's in the honorable mention spot.
00:52:39
Speaker
I have Michael at my three. Yeah.
00:52:43
Speaker
I would put him lower. But... I really do think... Was it a very dumb decision? Yes. Did he point a gun at Jack and knock out Locke? Yes. What in the world is he doing?
00:52:58
Speaker
Was it stupid? Yes. But... I do understand he's a grieving, he's a grieving father, you know, like he's, you know, and he's, he's a little bit delusional as well because he you know, he's been without a son for however many days he's, Michael's kind of been through it.
00:53:16
Speaker
Raft loses Walt, Raft breaks down, goes to this other island, treks through whatever island and is back and no Walt and people don't really seem to care.
00:53:29
Speaker
sure that's my thing also i need to mention two things one why was there absolutely no talk about michael during the firing water episode that makes no sense to me like all like that that i feel like is a major like at like i mean he's gone you're just gonna leave like you're just gonna leave him there and jackie said that like you're just gonna leave him there like that makes no sense Yeah.
00:53:55
Speaker
so I'll say that. I'll also say, why are people not caring about Cindy more? She got mentioned in Hunting Party and a Sawyer was like, oh yeah, Cindy got taken about a mile away from camp.
00:54:07
Speaker
Right. i don't know if it's that people don't care. And obviously there's, you know, it's a show that the writers have ridden a certain way. Yes.
00:54:18
Speaker
But if you put yourselves in the minds of someone who's on the island going through all of those things and trying to balance all of these things happening, right? Yeah, yeah. It'd be tough.
00:54:30
Speaker
Yeah. Going into my second most hated will have to be Sarah.
00:54:37
Speaker
Oh, wow. I mean, she's down there. i think I could probably switch Michael and Sarah, but I don't want to put Michael all the way down there because I really don't feel like he deserves it.
00:54:48
Speaker
I don't know. it's It's kind of a hard line. They could be flip-flopped. It'll kind of just depend on my mood. But I don't excuse Sarah from anything because Sarah is a cheater.
00:55:00
Speaker
You know, that's my viewpoint. Yeah. I mean, that's all I have to say.
00:55:07
Speaker
That's all you need to. That's all I need to. And my most hated, although I don't want him there, is Charlie. i I really can't think of another person I would put under him.
00:55:20
Speaker
But if I could, if there if there were more hate to go around, I would have totally, totally, totally put him like in the one. Or I mean in the three. Sorry.
00:55:32
Speaker
the But... I understand like, okay, we as though the viewer get to see what he's going through and see that he actually is having these visions. He's not just saying he's having them, you know, like he actually is having them. Right. And if you are having this vision from his perspective and like we are seeing it, you would probably do the exact same thing that he was doing.
00:55:58
Speaker
Sure. Right. Which is where I, you know, Which is where I like get the understanding part. Where I don't get the understanding part is after the fact, trying to take Aaron, starting a fire, trying to take Aaron, you know, all this stuff, you hiding the statues, lying about the statues to Locke.
00:56:22
Speaker
Yeah. And then also saying, i was here to get rid of him now. No, you weren't. Don't lie. You know, like, i feel like Charlie has done a lot of lying, and it's kind of catching up to him.
00:56:35
Speaker
And that's why I think he's so far down for me, is because I just can't forgive him for that. And, yeah in addition to the fact that I think he's kind of fake, ah and he's very manipulative,
00:56:48
Speaker
ah from previous episodes, like, you know, or where he will say, it's for the baby. It's for Claire. I'm doing this for the baby. I'm doing this for Claire. When in reality, he's not. He's doing it for himself.
00:57:01
Speaker
And I know Charlie's one of your favorite characters, so it really sucks that I keep having him all the way down here. And he's on the rise because... He's on the rise because I see...
00:57:12
Speaker
like what he's going through. And I see how hard his past has been. and it makes sense. And he does. I think you're right. I think he does want to be family. I think each R wants to be a family. I think each character has some sort of stick or if you will, and Jack, just the fact that he, you know, he has to fix someone.
00:57:31
Speaker
Charlie's is a part, like, I have to be a part of a family because he never has really been because his family wasn't really a family. Yeah. You know, like, Yeah, he wants that love and recognition.
00:57:44
Speaker
That's what he's looking for. Yeah, that's exactly what he's looking for. Final thing I'll say, it has nothing to do with most love or most hated, but we did not get enough of Mr. Echo. We did not. I'm very upset.
00:57:55
Speaker
Yeah, he was very low-key these episodes. Yeah. All right. Well, I hear you're most hated, and I will raise you my most hated.
00:58:08
Speaker
Okay. So here we go. My number three is also Michael. Throwing him in there. Okay. Now, my number two my number one, veer slightly from yours, and I'll give you some reasons why they're here.
00:58:23
Speaker
My number two is still Anna Lucia. i why I do not like Anna Lucia, and dan she is the new Shannon for me.
00:58:35
Speaker
Really? Yeah. Yeah. Why? Could she kill Shannon? um Yeah, maybe. No, just okay because because her character is just egregious. I just don't like her.
00:58:49
Speaker
ah Personality is is just terrible. I didn't like her when she was being paranoid, but then, for me at least, the paranoia makes sense. Because she was right. Right, like right. No, I get that piece. That's my thing. And and we haven't I feel like we haven't even seen enough of her where she's been like that. I think she's been great from what we've seen. That's my opinion. and But i know I'm not trying to diminish yours. No, I hear you.
00:59:15
Speaker
Yeah, I hear you. So... Now my number one, this one's a divisive one. So I thought i thought about Charlie. I really did. So you mentioned that he's one of my favorite characters. So he's not one of my favorite characters right now. In this you know series of episodes that he's gone through and his behavior right now, he's he's definitely not one of my favorites.
00:59:35
Speaker
Okay. However, for these two episodes, despite Charlie's on-island behavior, i cannot put him... At the top of my most hated because Liam is absolutely the most hated character on the entire show.
00:59:53
Speaker
on the entire show? Liam is the worst. Okay, I want to hear some reasoning.
01:00:02
Speaker
Liam? Yeah. I mean... Liam stole the joy of Charlie's childhood, which was music. He ruined Charlie's career.
01:00:13
Speaker
He wasn't the family that he should have been, the bigger brother and the older brother and the example that he should have been. yep And then he got Charlie into drugs and then he ditched him.
01:00:26
Speaker
He's worst. Yeah, he's the worst. He he really is the worst. Oh, I kind of want to put him in my bottom now.
01:00:35
Speaker
I figured you might after that diatribe. Yeah. Oh, wow okay um
01:00:42
Speaker
wow. Okay. I will move Liam to my bottom, and I will move everyone up one. So Kate now becomes the five, Michael comes the four, Sarah comes the three, Charlie comes the two, now the one.
01:00:57
Speaker
Okay. Yeah, that's fair. It's my revised list. Yeah, and i understand I understand why you put Sarah on the list. Also, he definitely was a was a candidate.
01:01:10
Speaker
You know, obviously there there was a lot in that relationship that was already wrong, but ah that doesn't mean that what she did was right. yes Yeah. If I could, I would put Gabriella in there too.
01:01:23
Speaker
But yeah I'm not allowing myself put six people in the bottom. In the bottom. so No, that would break the whole thing. Yeah. Seriously.
01:01:36
Speaker
Awesome. Well, that's a wrap for our deep dive into season two, episodes 11 and 12. Thank you for joining us.
01:01:44
Speaker
These episodes definitely left me with more questions than answers, especially with the others, but that's what keeps me coming back. So don't forget to subscribe and please leave us a review.
01:01:58
Speaker
And before we leave tonight, let's let's run through the titles for the upcoming episode see if you can guess what our next episode is about. So episode 13 of season two is called the Long Con.
01:02:15
Speaker
Sawyer. Absolutely. Had to be him, right? Had to be him with the James foreshadowing. Yes. Oh, I'm very excited for that.
01:02:26
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Oh, you should be. That's all i'm going to say. Okay. And then episode 14 is called One of Them. Ooh. One of them.
01:02:41
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okay I got a question. Is it like a trick question? Or is it like ah is it like someone we know? Yeah, it's a bit of a trick. It's kind of a play on and double meanings. Okay.
01:02:55
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One of them. My guess is it could be an others-centric episode.
01:03:07
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Is my guess. But I know that's probably wrong.
01:03:13
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that your final answer? ah Yes, that's my final answer. So then, do you want me to tell you who it is, or do you want it to be a surprise? I would like it to surprise.
01:03:25
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Okay, yeah, let's do that. That'll be fun. Yeah. All right. Awesome. Okay. Thanks everybody for joining until next time. Keep questioning and keep watching till next time. lost.
01:03:55
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