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Homecoming Recap
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Claire returns to camp, but her reappearance brings new fears and a terrifying encounter. This week, we discuss Charlie’s emotional journey as he steps up to protect Claire and the camp’s rising anxiety over the Others. Our uncle reflects on the tension this episode brought to early fans, while Nick reacts to the darker tone and shocking events. Who can be trusted on this island?
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Introduction of Podcast and Hosts
00:00:21
Speaker
Terrific. You're listening to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. I'm Aaron Diaz and I'll be rewatching Lost along with my nephew Nick who will be watching it for the very first time. So come along with us and enjoy the journey.
00:00:42
Speaker
Let's get lost. Let's get lost.
Discussion on 'Lost' S1E15 'Homecoming'
00:00:50
Speaker
Hello, hello, and welcome back to The Lost with My Uncle, a lost rewatch and first-timers podcast. I'm Aaron Diaz, your millennial co-host here to rewatch and reflect on lost. Joined as always by my Gen Z nephew, Nick, who's watching the show for the very first time.
00:01:10
Speaker
And today we're tackling season one, episode 15, which is called Homecoming. Claire returns to camp, but can't remember anything about the crash, the island, or even her captor, Ethan. Meanwhile, Charlie's backstory continues to be revealed, Nick. So what'd you think of this one?
Nick's Mixed Feelings on Charlie's Backstory
00:01:28
Speaker
Um, I really liked it. I liked it, but I also didn't. I have a little bit of, I have a little bit of things to say with that one. All right. I thought it was great to have Claire back after the ah bajillion episodes that we didn't have Claire. We got a little bit more into Charlie. And I think that that's, that's what I was disappointed in was the, um, the Charlie backstory.
00:01:52
Speaker
okay that That brought this episode down, but um everything else with the Ethan, I was wondering when we were gonna get back to Ethan, because I feel like we had heard nothing of him. I'm really glad to get back to him. he He's terrifying. He's terrifying. Oh yeah, totally. Terrifying. So when you say that you were disappointed in Charlie's off island stuff, was it his decision making?
00:02:20
Speaker
I don't know, I think i kind of like as as soon as the episode started, or as soon as the first flashback started, and like tom Tommy, I guess i also I should say, is like, oh, you're gonna talk to this girl? I knew immediately how it was gonna end, like like immediately. like I could have done without any of the flashbacks. I knew exactly how it was gonna end. I feel like these flashbacks gave me no insight to Charlie's character at all. Got it.
00:02:48
Speaker
Like, it I will say the only thing that i it would would do a little bit would say like, Oh, well, I guess it's why Charlie cares for Claire so much is because he wanted to care and be able to take care of um Lucy and he wasn't able to because he was a junkie and now that he's not, he is able to take care of Claire. But outside of that, I think there was, there's not really much impact to those flashbacks. And I feel like a lot of the flashbacks hold a lot of
00:03:22
Speaker
value in them for almost all the episodes. So that's why I was a little like almost turned down by the these because especially if you think about the flashbacks from last episode with Michael and Walt and how emotional those were and how like impactful those felt compared to these which almost felt almost like hollow and empty.
Comparison of Flashbacks: Charlie vs. Kate
00:03:44
Speaker
Even like, like I said, I'm not I wasn't a big huge fan of Kate. But um,
00:03:50
Speaker
Even in the Kate episode, her her flashbacks still contained twists and turns, like how we thought she was an innocent. And then she turned out to be the one, one of the people orchestrating the whole heist at the bank. And then also how that uncovered um that she shot all those people, you know, like all all that kind of stuff. So I think the flashbacks hold a lot of truth in them. Not truth, but like hold a lot of like, they're a big bulk of the episode and the characters. And I feel like this one didn't really give much insight to Charlie. Because I feel like the last the last one did because it it talked about like how he got addicted, right? or Which was like, Oh, okay, that makes sense.
00:04:31
Speaker
This really didn't do it for me. This was kind of just like, oh, there's this girl. He's addicted to drugs. So he does a bad thing because he's addicted to drugs. He doesn't like it when he does the thing, you know, like, like, they don't work out, you know, like, and it was kind of like, like, I saw it as soon as it pop yeah That's the only reason why I think I'm a little disappointed with this episode, but everything outside of this episode was exactly what I've been wanting, more Ethan and finally seeing Claire again, and a fair amount of John Locke as well. I love this episode outside of the flashbacks. Yeah, that's fair. So then what would you, before we get into the actual recap, like what would you rank this episode? Of 10? Yeah. That's kind of hard for me. but
00:05:19
Speaker
Cause I loved, like I would say if, if the flashbacks were either non-existent or better, I would put this at like a strong 9.2. But I think the flashbacks bring it down to like an 8.6 or 7.
00:05:39
Speaker
the flashbacks kind of broke it up. And then there was nothing happening in the flashbacks. So it was more like I was getting annoyed with the flashbacks more than like being like, Oh, what's interesting about Charlie's character? No, I was just like, let me get to the actual like plot, you know?
00:05:58
Speaker
Yeah. So yeah, I was trying to see real quick. IMDB IMDB ranks that one an eight out of 10. Interesting. No, 8.2. Sorry.
00:06:11
Speaker
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Listener Engagement and Contact Info
00:06:15
Speaker
Awesome. So before we dive in, remember you can send your theories and feedback to lostwithmyunclepodatgmail.com. That's lostwithmyunclepodatgmail.com. We'd love to hear from you and potentially feature your comments, theories, questions in an upcoming episode.
00:06:36
Speaker
So without further ado, let's jump into the recap. Let's do it.
Claire's Return and Amnesia Revisited
00:06:42
Speaker
So we start off on Island for this episode and Charlie awakens to see Locke carrying Claire to Jack and he Claire wakes up in panics asking, who are you people? And that's, that's my best impression of an Aussie accent. It's the best for the one you're going to get out of me. It's terrible, but I tried.
00:07:03
Speaker
And the last thing Claire claims to remember is the flight from Sydney almost a month ago. So Jack fills her in on the event since the crash. Son and Jen watch from the sidelines and Jen wonders if the baby is okay. Son looks thoughtful and says, I'm sure the baby's fine.
00:07:20
Speaker
Two things. One, we got we got a little bit of sun in Jimin's episode. We did. Very surprised by that. I did not hate it. And Jim, to me, seems to be getting like a better character. Yeah. I don't know why. He seems to be getting slowly better. And then the second thing is, no eye shot. we are um We're down on our counter now. Yeah.
00:07:47
Speaker
Uh, I'll have to check it out, but. And what a, what a missed opportunity, but you know, Charlie wakes up hearing things going on. We could have seen his eye. Exactly. What a missed opportunity. Yeah. Crazy writers.
00:08:03
Speaker
And then in the next scene, Locke and Boone are chatting, although to be fair, Boone is doing most of the chatting and asking silly questions. And Locke replies with things like, you were there, Boone. You saw just as much as I did. And when Boone asks if he thinks Ethan is still out there, Locke replies, I certainly hope not. Can I add about Locke this whole episode?
Locke's Intelligence and Complex Character
00:08:25
Speaker
I loved Locke this whole episode. I think this showcased not only how cool he is, but how how smart he is as well. And it's insane to think that back at home, quote, quote, he works at like a paper company in a wheelchair. That doesn't make any sense to me. Like how he goes from that to that.
00:08:55
Speaker
So, I don't know, he's such a fascinating character to me. i There's so much to figure out with him. I can't, I cannot wait. Also- Oh, you have no idea, young Padawan. Oh yeah, no, i'm I'm very, I'm very, very invested. I'm very interested in, I like the the kind of interactions between John Locke and Boone. Boone is like kind of an idiot.
00:09:24
Speaker
Right? And he's pretending to be kind of like John Locke and he like wants to be, but he's nowhere near him. And it's kind of like, it's, it's a, it's funny, but it's also like, like, I would say it's more interesting than anything. I think I can't say, you know, anything more than interesting, but Boone asking like, where, where, you know, like what happened? And then John Locke, propin you were there. You saw everything I saw, you know,
00:09:50
Speaker
And then, you know, like the whole thing where Boone falls asleep. right And then he's the reason, no, he's not the reason, but he's he's one of the reasons why the guy got killed. Cause no one was on the beach.
Ethan's Threat and Charlie's Response
00:10:02
Speaker
Scott, or shall I say Steve? You can say whichever one you want. I love that they can't i really will correct i love that they kept that bit running. yeah i love I love that they had that that bit still running even through Scott's death. Yeah, I was going to get to that. You're still by thunder here, man. You're still by thunder.
00:10:21
Speaker
Oh my goodness. And then Charlie hands Claire her diary, saying he hopes it will help Claire remember what happened to her. When he tells her about the day they were taken by Ethan, she asks him, who's Ethan? Charlie says, Ethan is the bad guy. And Claire says she likely won't be getting any sleep. And Charlie says, well, lucky for me then, I'm not much of a sleeper myself.
00:10:46
Speaker
And when Charlie suggests they stay awake together, Claire asks, are we friends? And Charlie responds that they are. And the musical piece accompanying the scene, Nick, is just straight up money. So good and calming and fitting for the scene. And for those of you listeners who want to check it out on the official Lost Season 1 soundtrack, it's called We're Friends.
00:11:10
Speaker
I'm gonna be honest, I didn't pick up on the music there. I wasn't really listening to it. Oh, it rewatches in order. A rewatch is in order. But I do like the the the newly found dynamic between Charlie and Claire. I love the new dynamic between the two of them. And it sounds it sounds science kind of dumb to say that I love it. But I think I like it so much because it's like Claire is completely clueless, starting from like base zero. At the beginning, she seems to like not really like Charlie as much, you know? Yeah. Like, I feel like it was really easy for her to like him the first time, but this time it seems harder. I don't know why, but i'm i'm very I'm very interested in that. I love that Charlie explains Ethan as just the bad guy.
00:11:59
Speaker
Yeah. It doesn't give any more insight. I feel like that's also a choice to just say he's the bad guy. Instead of saying like, Oh, he pretended to be one of us, but he's not. And there's actually other people on this. I like didn't say any of that. You know?
Critique of Charlie's Immaturity
00:12:16
Speaker
Oh, yeah, definitely a choice. Yeah. And we find out later that he's trying to protect Claire. It doesn't go so well for him. Does not go well for him.
00:12:28
Speaker
And then we cut to our first off island flashback and we see Charlie and his friend Tommy get high and discover that they are running low on drugs and money. And in a bar, Tommy points towards a girl named Lucy and tells Charlie that her father's rich. So Charlie walks over and makes a conversation with Lucy and and all her friends. And he's, he's a hit with her group of friends.
00:12:52
Speaker
And, you know, he's clearly wooing her in this scene. And fun fact, if you listened, you all, everybody was playing in the background during this scene. Yeah, you see Tommy cue it up on the jukebox. I mean, most of my comments on the flashbacks are gonna be complaints. So I'm sorry. That's fine. Roll with it. Yeah, roll with it. I mean, I just think, like after this flashback, immediately, immediately knew what was gonna happen. He was gonna steal something. He's gonna get too close to her. He's gonna steal something. She's gonna get upset with him. He's gonna be like, oh, I really love you. And she's like, I don't care. You stole from me.
00:13:28
Speaker
So it's not like I'm mad at Lost for doing it because I get Lost came out in like 2004, but now that we're 20 years later, it's it's become the stereotype. So I was just upset with the flashbacks because I knew what was going to happen. That's all didn't not saying that they're bad at all. Just I knew what was going to happen. Yeah, that's all you're hearing on that.
00:13:54
Speaker
And then back on island, Jack, Locke, Said, and Charlie are discussing the chances of Claire's memory returning. Said questions the ease of Claire's escape and asks Jack about the memory lapse. Jack says it is possible that her memory resets to right after the crash. And Charlie ends up stomping off because he is quote, getting a tad bit upset.
00:14:21
Speaker
I was so mad at Charlie there. I think in a situation like this, you gotta think reasonably. And he's all over the place. And he's like, ma ah well, you guys are really stupid. And, you know, like, oh, she just came back from being gone. but Was she gone two weeks, almost two weeks? Yeah, I think so. Gone from almost two weeks and she's forgotten everything.
00:14:48
Speaker
I think Locke and Jack were 100% in the right gear. And Said was also there. But Charlie was just, I feel like um in a lot of moments, Charlie was kind of childish. Yeah, he definitely can be. He he has a strong moments. but Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:15:09
Speaker
And it didn't work out very well for him because in the jungle, he runs into Jen and they walk together for a bit. And and Charlie sarcastically talking to Jen about, well, it must be great for you not to be involved with anything happening on the island, you know, because of the language barrier and whatnot. But then they hear something whooshing through the trees. Jen hears it first. And then he is knocked out by a rock.
00:15:33
Speaker
And then Ethan appears out of nowhere, confronts Charlie, telling him he wants Charlie to bring Claire back. Charlie tries to attack him, but Ethan grabs him by the neck, threatening to kill one survivor every day until he gets Claire back. And then Ethan says, and Charlie, after I'm through with all of them, I'll kill you last. Wow, wow, wow. I mean, I'm just gonna say it.
00:15:58
Speaker
eastern Ethan, Ethan is crazy creepy. He's the creepiest part of this show and I kind of love it. Yeah. i love i I'm not a fan of horror at all, but when this show leans into the horror element just a little bit, it just it's so like it does it for me. yeah know like I love it. So especially when you get the creepy Ethan, I love the creepy Ethan. That's why I've been wanting the creepy Ethan so bad. It's because I loved him the first time.
00:16:30
Speaker
Yeah. So wait, hold on that horror thought for a second and then we'll, we'll climb back to this thread. Um, so you're not, you're not Stephen King fan. You're not into slasher movies or anything like that. No, no, I hate, I hate slasher movies. All right. I hate stuff like that, but I love this. Yeah, this is good. That's why it's so weird. So good. All right. Sorry. Proceed. proceed Sorry to interrupt. Oh, good.
00:16:58
Speaker
I mean, I think Ethan just, like, and Charlie trying to attack him and Ethan immediately, like, catching whatever stick Charlie was gonna, like, throw at him and immediately just grab him by the neck and slamming him against that tree. He's terrifying. He's terrifying and he's terrifyingly good at what he does. Oh, yeah. And it makes you think, like, how does he know how to do all that?
00:17:23
Speaker
And then after Ethan's front on Charlie, Charlie tells Jack and Locke about Ethan's threat and suggests they all go after him and kill him. Locke is of the belief that they should only tell a select few and set up traps around the perimeter. Jack doesn't agree and finally they land on telling everyone. Meanwhile, Son is taking care of Jen's wound and asking him if everything is all right.
00:17:49
Speaker
And Jin says he was attacked because of what the others had done. Shifting the the blame on the other plane survivors. And that's kind of a theme that is running with Jin throughout the they're out season one so far. and And I'm sure that we'll touch on again. I think it's just cause he doesn't know. I think it's really just cause he doesn't know. Yeah. Again, that that'd be a very tough place to be. We talked about that in a previous episode of not being able to understand any of the other survivors.
00:18:19
Speaker
right
00:18:22
Speaker
And then Claire is uncomfortable about what is going on around her and feels like the other survivors are avoiding her. So Charlie lies and assures her that there isn't anything going on. but it's Again, it just seems kind of childish to lie there. I think that, I mean, ah kind of a spoiler. Charlie for this episode is in my bottom three. Oh, okay. Surprisingly.
00:18:47
Speaker
Um, I think he's my, I think he's my three. So he's my least, he's my least hated out of the three. But I just think just the way he acts in this episode is really, really, really, I feel like it kind of goes against everything that we uncovered in the moth episode, all of the growth that he had, you know,
00:19:09
Speaker
yeah Yeah, I feel like he had so much growth there and now it's just like all down the drain. yeah So it's interesting to see his development then because it's like he's growing, he's not growing, he's growing. he' I just think he acts very immature here, that's all. Yeah, I agree. And I think something that you'll you'll notice with other characters I think a little bit throughout the show is the growth is not a It's not an overnight flip a switch kind of deal, right? right It's a one step forward, two steps back type of deal until some of them break through and some of them maybe don't. And then in our next off island flashback, Charlie wanders through Lucy's home after their first official date, which Nick like already knew was gonna happen from the get go. And I predict that.
00:20:07
Speaker
Lucy shows him a cigarette case once owned by Winston Churchill, and she says, you should be my father. So over dinner the next night, Charlie is telling Lucy's father that he was once part of a band, but Drive Shaft now is is basically dead because Liam is taking some time off, and there are some issues between them. So Charlie does you know kind of open up here to her father, and it it sort of seems in the scene like he's beginning to like Lucy,
00:20:35
Speaker
And then in our next scene, we find out in a conversation with Tommy that Charlie has taken a job selling copiers. Tommy is asking when he starts and he says, I start Monday. And he's like, well, that's great. A weekend without a fix and you should be bloody wonderful on Monday. Yeah. You can even, I think one of the things I actually do really, really good in the next flashback is showing like how much that not having it is affecting him.
00:21:05
Speaker
but he looks so so Like you first prefer like he looks so sweaty he looks so sweaty and uneasy yeah in the next flashback because he hasn't had his weekend drugs. So I do compliment that aspect, but I was expecting him to go through with this plan of stealing from this girl that he felt like, you know, ends up liking. And then she's like, I hate you. well yeah That's all. I keep saying that's all. That's all folks.
00:21:35
Speaker
but And then back on island, that night, Laksai and other survivors stand guard, and Boon is one of the ones standing guard, and you alluded to this earlier, he falls asleep during his shift. Stupid Boon! I know, come on Boon, be better. I did love their transition with him though. I did love their transition of Boon's eyes closing, and then immediately waking up like like no time had passed. Yeah, that was good.
00:22:06
Speaker
Loved that, I loved that. I
Boone's Guard Duty Failure and Consequences
00:22:08
Speaker
thought that was perfect. it was It was so fast at first that I thought it was a dream. Yeah. Also, I wanna say, when they are staking out, I loved the cinematography there. Seeing all the figures in like the darkness illuminated by the fire, and with all their sharp sticks or knives or spears or whatever, um I thought it was really, really, really, really cool. Oh yeah, it was great.
00:22:35
Speaker
The next day Boone wakes up after he hears that one of the booby traps has been sprung and he rushes to see who has triggered the alarm and hears a rustling noise from the tree line. He runs toward the noise but falls and some other people come over and it's discovered it was only Vincent who tripped it.
Ethan's Menace and the Steve-Scott Mix-Up
00:22:53
Speaker
But Boone, Said, and Locke hear screaming and return to the beach to find that Scott has been murdered. His neck, both arms, and all the bones in his fingers had been broken.
00:23:04
Speaker
According to Locke, Ethan probably came from the ocean. And Sawyer comes up and says, so Steve drew the short straw and hurled your prize. Dude, that was Scott. So before you laugh too hard, Nick, and you kind of talked about this earlier, let's have a moment of silence for Scott. All right, moment done. But I do know you love those references.
00:23:26
Speaker
I do, I love those references. i think i think is the i I really hope they keep doing that. Even though Scott is dead now, I hope they i hope they i hope they they keep calling Steve Scott. I think that is the funniest bit on the show so far. And I like that it's like a very tiny bit and they mention it like every few episodes, it's hilarious. For sure. I'm curious how Ethan came from the ocean. How did he even do that? but I'll turn that question around. How do you think he came from the ocean?
00:23:57
Speaker
The only way that I can think of is he, like, would swim out from a different point of the island and sway him there. But, like, that doesn't really make sense. Like, how else would he do it? Unless... What what if he if he has a boat somewhere on the different side of the island, maybe? That's true. He could have a boat, but how would he... I don't think he would be able to kill the guy and then get away that fast. Also, especially how Kate described the killing. Mm-hmm.
00:24:25
Speaker
broke his neck, broke both his arms and all his fingers and his toes, right? Yeah. I think that's what they said. That's intense. It is. That's intense. And maybe it wasn't Ethan alone that came from the ocean. What if there's others? This is true. This is true. I don't know, actually. That's a good point. I think it's I i that's a great point. And it's an option. But I think it just was Ethan. Okay.
00:24:54
Speaker
Are you still leaning towards Ethan being Alex? Yeah, I'm still leaning towards that. Okay. So then in theory, Ethan is is likely alone unless he found other people that lived on the island and became buddies with them, right? Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay.
00:25:18
Speaker
And then in the next scene, we have our first lost burial slash memorial service. Hurley says a few words about Scott. And then after the burying ceremony, Claire's in the caves and.
00:25:30
Speaker
starts to you know look around her and feel like she is under the microscope and that everyone is kind of going out of their way to stay away from her. She finds out from Shannon why everybody is avoiding her. And then she yells at Charlie and says, why would you keep me in the dock, Charlie? I'm already in the dock. So that was a little better than my earlier impression. I promise I'll stop soon. And Charlie replies, I only wanted to take care of you. And she responds if she can take care of herself.
00:26:00
Speaker
It was a really, really, really solid impression. Did you like it? And you just kept going. Yeah, you just kept going like it was nothing. You were like, it was really funny. You were like, why would you keep me in the dark? And then you were like, yeah, that was my other attempt to discard it at an Australian accent. I'll stop soon.
Claire Confronts Charlie on the Truth
00:26:18
Speaker
And then you just kept going like it was nothing. Yeah. That was funny. I tried. Well, you succeed.
00:26:26
Speaker
Awesome. That's probably the first time anyone has ever told me I've succeeded with an accident. Well, yeah. Burying ceremony? I hope we don't have much more of those. I hope. I hope. I hope it's only like this and maybe two more for some off-screen characters. I don't want you to spoil it and tell me if there are. i But I really would hate if some characters died.
00:26:55
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not saying that other characters die. I'm just saying it's the first. That doesn't mean it couldn't also be the last, right? True. Yeah. I'm not saying that that is the case either. I'm not saying anything. I'm leaving it open-ended. All right. But I'm with you, so you don't want to see our characters parked. You do not want to see our other characters parked. Well, we got six seasons, man.
00:27:25
Speaker
yeah I feel like it's going to be hard to make it through six seasons without some of them. Yeah.
00:27:34
Speaker
And then in our next off island flashback, Charlie is getting all dressed up for his first day as a copier salesman. And he eventually gives in to his addiction, tail his oldest time, boy meets girl, girl finds out boy has an addiction after he steals something from her. And he steals the cigarette case that belonged to Churchill. And he tried to slip away from Lucy. Yeah. You know, I have no doubt that he was just going to run. Um, but Lucy doesn't really give him that option. Hands him a briefcase and says, well, no, I'm driving you to your job. Yeah.
00:28:10
Speaker
That was kind of like a, like I sat there and I was like, don't, don't do it. Like prove me wrong. Don't do it. And then he did it. And I was like, okay. And then it was just painful to watch at that point, him having to be forced to go to the, to the meeting. Then I was like, it's like, wow. Yeah. That sucks.
00:28:31
Speaker
Too bad, though, because you got to do it. So yeah, that that was rough. And we might as well just touch on it here. He was clearly struggling with his presentation of the copiers. And yeahp and then he you like you said, he was all sweaty. He ends up throwing up under the lid in the copier. but Awesome. Yeah, for sure.
00:28:58
Speaker
And then back on island, we get into Jack's plan, and Jack decides it's time to reveal that he has guns. So he first asks Locke if he can track Ethan, and Locke basically says, nope, we are on his turf and he has the advantage. And Jack replies, what if I told you I had a way to get the
Group Prepares for Defense with Guns
00:29:19
Speaker
advantage back? And he shows the guns to Locke, and Locke says, why doctor, you've been holding out on us.
00:29:26
Speaker
And Jack hands a gun to Locke and asks if he knows how to use it. And Locke just gives him a big grin. I think that John Locke was really smart here when he said, you're we you're thinking offense, we need to be thinking defense.
00:29:42
Speaker
I mean, it really just shows you how I mean, it makes you think that he's real like he has to have some background in in tactical warfare or whatever. If he's if he knows this, you've got to know something. So I just think that's so smart to think like that and be able to be like, OK, defense. And I think a trap with these guns is just amazing. I think it's great.
00:30:05
Speaker
And I think John Locke with a gun is just even cooler. I didn't i didn't think he could get much cooler. And he took that he took he took the gun, he like like took the, I don't know what it's called, the top power part and he pulled it back and he like you know like let go and he like he like looked, he like took the mag out, put it back in and then like pointed it and like like you know I was like, all right. So you're the coolest person on this show.
00:30:32
Speaker
Yeah, he's, he's just a cool guy. I mean, and he's not, he's not young by any means, no but he knows how to handle himself. And like you said, he just has a lot of, a lot of good knowledge and seems like he has the experience to back it up. right yeah he's He's awesome.
00:30:53
Speaker
And then with the guns from the briefcase and getting Claire to agree to be bait for them, Jack, Locke, Said, and Sawyer start setting a trap. And Charlie wants to take part. He wants to have ah a gun as well. But when John asks him if he's ever fired a weapon, he doesn't respond. And Jack then gives Sawyer a gun asking if he knows how to handle it. Sawyer replies, I know one polar bear thinks I can.
00:31:21
Speaker
And then Kate also wants to come, but Jack explains they're out of guns. Sawyer gives her the gun he found on the Marshal's body back in the old days. I love how he used back in the old days. yeah And he says five guns are better than four. I think it was a good idea and not giving Charlie a gun. I think it was a great idea. We'll find out why in about five minutes when we say. I think we will.
00:31:49
Speaker
I find, I think Jack intentionally tried not giving Kate a gun because he knows that she's a criminal and didn't want to give a criminal a gun. I think that's, I don't think he wanted to give Kate a gun. And he did. Interesting, yeah. Or Sawyer technically did. But I think Jack was trying to avoid it. That could be. So you, you're still of the impression that Jack has like zero trust in Kate right now.
00:32:17
Speaker
Maybe not zero trust, but little trust. Okay, yeah. Also, I love Sawyer's lines. There's another one that he says. Oh yeah. It's it's hilarious. it's what It was probably the highlight for me of of Sawyer. i thought i think I think Sawyer, I think he's one of the most interesting characters. It keeps saying interesting a lot, but I think he is one of the most in-depth characters because we get a lot of like like sadness and we get a lot of anger and we get a lot of like cockiness and like funny, but then you get also a lot of, like he's kinda cool too, kinda like John Locke, he's got an element of cool with him, you know? Oh yeah, yeah, I do not disagree. that We see that in the ambush a little bit too.
00:33:05
Speaker
Yeah, Sawyer is by far one of the most interesting characters. And I would even go as far as to say that he's in top two right alongside Locke when it comes to yeah interesting. Yeah. I mean, I absolutely hated him at first, you know, first five to seven episodes of season one, like I couldn't stand Sawyer. Yeah. But he's he's a character that just really grows on you and and adds a lot to the the dynamics between other characters.
00:33:33
Speaker
yeah And then in our next scene, it's nighttime and it's raining and the survivors carry out their planned ambush.
Ethan's Death During Ambush
00:33:41
Speaker
And when Ethan attacks, they overpower him. And this time the fight between Jack and Ethan is a little more even matched. And Jack gets in some good hits and then ends up overpowering Ethan, knocking him to the mud and it just continues to...
00:33:57
Speaker
drill into him, punching him directly in the face over and over till Ethan sort of gives up and just kind of lays there. And Sawyer says, all right, now this son of a can tell us who he is and where he came from. But then as Ethan gets up, we hear multiple gunshots and Ethan falls dead in the mud and we look over and it's Charlie who has shot him. Oh, Charlie, you idiot. Why did you do that?
00:34:27
Speaker
Why did you do that? Like, okay, me let me back up, let me back up, let me back up. All right, back up. um One, I was not expecting Jack to have that dog in him. I was not expecting Jack to just go, punch, punch, yeah punch, punch.
00:34:46
Speaker
punch that was darkjack at his best yeah i know i mean i was i was like especially since like he kind of got his butt handed to him from ethan the first time this would kind of like payback he just kept going like over and over and over and over and over and over and over again yeah a little bit of foreshadowing with the gun being knocked out of um Jack's hand, and that's how Charlie got the gun. I actually didn't ah think of that originally. I thought that would be foreshadowing to Ethan getting the gun, and then that being something there. um And then because I thought that way, when Ethan, or not when Ethan, when Charlie had the gun, I originally thought that either Sayi, Locke, or Kate
00:35:33
Speaker
had given Charlie the gun. So that was my first thought. I mean, I realized that's not the truth, but that's what I first thought. um Sawyer's line is amazing. Right now this son of a can tell us so who he is and where he came from. Love that while pointing the gun in his face. yeah Another thing, the rain. Fantastic choice. Actually fantastic choice.
00:35:59
Speaker
Yeah, and it was raining the last time. Exactly. It was raining the last time. I think the rain is a fantastic choice. Anytime there's rain and loss, I love it. I actually love it so much. Two, the interesting fact, I actually, um right before this ambush, I think probably after we find out that they have the guns or after Sawyer and and Kate get their guns, I actually was so like, like i was like there was there was so much tension because I didn't know what was gonna happen. And like, I felt so like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. I literally had to pause and take like a 10-minute break before i I allowed myself to come back and finish out the episode. Oh, wow. I was like on pins and needles. I mean, so I think this episode specifically did tension so unbelievably well. Yeah.
00:36:55
Speaker
Now, getting back to Charlie and why, at first I was like, okay, well, why'd you freaking do that? That's really, really, really stupid that you went and killed him. Because now we have no leads at all. And then Charlie, you know, when Jack asks Charlie why he did it, Charlie's like, Ethan deserved to die.
00:37:18
Speaker
and I wasn't gonna let him anywhere near Claire. That's honestly so fair. That is so fair. Now that you're saying it out loud, that is so fair. He was trying to kidnap someone and probably do something to her baby. We have no idea. He was insane and a psychopath. And Charlie had been left for dead the first time. Exactly. And he tried to kill Charlie. Yeah. So...
00:37:44
Speaker
I mean, and Jack says he could have told us where he came from, right? And Charlie says you really think he would have told us anything. I mean, Said is a torturer expert. I don't even know what you call that. um Communications expert is what he said.
00:38:00
Speaker
Yeah. Torture is the actual term. Torture is the actual term. he So, I mean, like yeah they could have gotten stuff out of that, but who's not saying like Ethan wouldn't just lie? I feel like Ethan would 100% just lie and lead them down, or like like a red herring or a goose chase that would end up to nothing. And so, yeah I see both sides of the argument. I think it's really stupid that he killed Ethan, but I think it's also not the worst thing in the world because you know Ethan's dead now. there's I'm not saying there's nothing to worry about.
00:38:30
Speaker
because there's, Ethan had to come from somewhere. yeah He had to bring Claire somewhere. right I'm more interested in how Claire escaped, and I'm also more interested in how she doesn't have her memory, and...
00:38:47
Speaker
I'm also interested in how she's going to get her memory back. Like how she knew something about peanut butter and then, you know, like that, that whole thing. I think she's just going to slowly regain that a little bit of a theory here. I think she's going to slowly regain like her, her memory and remember the incident. And then we're going to get a lot of insight. Yeah, I hope so.
00:39:10
Speaker
And then in our final flashback, Charlie goes to see Lucy to explain his behavior and what happened, but she refuses to hear his explanation and informs him she knows about his con because the cigarette case was found in his jacket when he was at the police station.
Charlie's Flashback Ends with Rejection
00:39:25
Speaker
Oh my goodness. I'm so surprised. Yeah. You're surprised. ah I figured I was, I was so surprised when this happened.
00:39:37
Speaker
I'm glad that they're keeping you on yourselves. And she asked Charlie why he took the job and he says, I guess I wanted to be respectable and I wanted you to think I could take care of you. And before slamming the door in his face, she tells Charlie, you will never take care of anyone.
00:39:55
Speaker
And so I totally get where you're coming from on this episode that, you know, the flashbacks in this one were weaker than a lot of the other episodes. next Yeah. I do think that this was the one thing that they wanted us to take from this episode. Yeah. Is that Charlie wants to be respectable. He wanted to do it. And he wants to think that he could take care of someone else. Right. And that really ties into his arc with Claire on the island and and how he's trying to protect her.
00:40:23
Speaker
yeah I agree with that, 100%. And that brings us to our episode closed this week, where you kind of alluded to the peanut butter player comes to Charlie at night.
Claire's Memory and Trust Return
00:40:37
Speaker
And, you know, this is in the aftermath of him shooting Ethan. And she tells him, I remember peanut butter. And Charlie corrects her and says, well, actually, it was imaginary peanut butter.
00:40:49
Speaker
And she tells Charlie that she doesn't know what happened to her and that she's scared, but she wants to trust him. They wish each other good night. And then as the music slows to a halt with one gentle note repeating itself nine times, and yes, I did count, Lost hits our screen and another episode is in the books, Nick. I feel like there is some significance in that one note being repeated nine times. Do you? I feel like there's got to be some significance.
00:41:17
Speaker
Like a little bit, maybe maybe she's nine months pregnant and she's about to have the kid. I don't know. i there's I feel like there's some significance. Maybe I just don't know what it is now. It was definitely a different type of ending than what we usually have. Very different. I was expecting some sort of turn at the end.
00:41:36
Speaker
Cause I feel like that's what we've gotten in a lot of turns towards the very end. And we didn't get that. Also, I'm very still invested in the hatch that John Locke and Boone are trying to discover. We haven't really gotten much insight into that since Claire came back. They were looking for the dog, which by the way, I never mentioned. Vincent's back. I feel like we never really touched up on that. He's just back. Yeah, that's true.
00:42:02
Speaker
He came back to you once Walt, he will come back to you again and ta-da. Yeah, i think it was I think it was a good episode. I know I kind of criticized it a little bit because of the flashbacks, but I still really did enjoy the episode. It was a great episode for Charlie, for Claire, for Ethan being dead. Awesome. Yeah, i I enjoyed the episode. It's definitely not one of my favorites of season one. The thing that I Noted when I was rewatching it is when I first watched their season one back in the day. I'm gonna use Sawyer's term It felt like the Ethan stuff went on for several episodes, but he but he was only in two episodes. Yeah So it's just kind of crazy how your memory plays tricks on you because when I was thinking back on it I was like, oh, yeah then there was this Ethan guy that was in like Several episodes and it was really hard for them to get rid of and you know, but that just wasn't the case. It was interesting, right? I
00:42:59
Speaker
All right, well, it's time for our Most Loved, Most Hated segment, the segment of our show where we see who are we loving and who are we hating at the current time. So as always, Nick, who is trending up for you this week? Top three. A little bit of a switch up here. We're going lock number one instead of Hurley. Hurley number two, Jack three. Okay. I really liked to Jack this episode. Honorable mention, Said.
00:43:29
Speaker
Yeah. Saeed gets an honorable mention because I think he's still really great. I would put him up there, but he doesn't make the list. Gotcha. Bottom three is where this gets difficult. How about Ethan at your number one for bottom three? Yeah. I guess I'll put Ethan at my most hated.
00:43:50
Speaker
Even though I do kind of love his character, I hate him. I hate him because he's bad, but I i also do, like, look whenever Ethan is involved in anything, I love it. I love it. Yeah, for sure. Just because it's more it's it's interesting, it's chilling, it's good. But Ethan is my most hated, I guess he did kill Scott. Or should I say Steve? And, you know, I thought I thought that was funny. Not not funny. I thought that was, you know, bad that he killed Scott. I didn't I don't know why I said funny. No, we get it. We don't we don't think that you think it's funny when people die. Obviously.
00:44:24
Speaker
ah Second most hated, I'm gonna go Charlie, even though I said he was gonna be my third most hated. I was wrong. Second most hated is Charlie. I don't know. I said it a bunch of times. I just thought he was really immature. I didn't really like him in this episode. It seemed like part of his character seemed off character, if you know what I mean.
00:44:45
Speaker
Yeah. It didn't seem like him, especially since like he had all those talks with Rose, which we still don't know where she is. She's been gone for another bajillion episodes. I felt like he was on the right track after The Moth and then after that thing was with Rose and his recent contribution after his near-death experience. i like I felt like it all kind of went away here. So that's why I just have him so low. I don't i don't actually hate him that much. It's just, if for this episode, I do a bi episode.
00:45:16
Speaker
For this episode, he is in the bottom three. Yeah. My third most hated shouldn't be much of a shocker is Boone. Yeah. Boone is... um I think he's he's fine. He just kind of ticks me off a little bit sometimes.
00:45:34
Speaker
Yeah, in the same way that the writers kind of choreographed the flashbacks for you this episode. Right. they They choreographed the fact that when Boone was responsible for watching the camp, I knew we were in trouble. Yeah, yep. Yep. I mean, he's just kind of an idiot. He's trying to help which is which is better than like Sawyer, who's not really trying to help. He's just kind of like minding his own business. But at least Sawyer when he does help is good at what he does. Boone just kind of stinks.
00:46:04
Speaker
Which is fine, he's trying, I get it. He's learning. He's trying to be more like John Locke. That's not such a crime. Yeah. That's my take. All right, I like it. I think for me, my most loved this episode, I'm good with Locke being towards the top. I also agree with Jack. I think that Jack was his doctorly self this episode. He kept his emotions in check, had a plan, and then he went and delivered. Yeah.
00:46:34
Speaker
Letting dark Jack come out at the right time when he needed to take Ethan out. yeah And then my third is, is a little bit harder, but I think I would probably, I did like Hurley, you know, just given he did the, the burial or the memorial service yeah and had some, some fun lines around the Scott and Steve stuff this week.
00:46:55
Speaker
Honorable mention, Said could definitely fall in that. I also think that, honestly, Sawyer could be an honorable mention. to i I was gonna say Sawyer, um but I went with Said. Yeah.
00:47:11
Speaker
Just because I think the thing I liked the most, actually, is we talked an episode or two ago about Sawyer was just being very demeaning to Kate, sort of using his power as and a man over her. Right. And this episode, by giving her that gun, he empowered her. And so it was kind of the opposite side of that, which I appreciated. But yeah, I really liked the the way that he empowered Kate, this episode, and and he was just a strong character, I think.
00:47:42
Speaker
Yeah. I also, I really like Claire's character. I don't think that she's really done anything yet to be, you know, top top three most loved material. Right. But I do like her character. I also like the Claire and Charlie dynamic, like you mentioned. Yeah. And maybe maybe she'll find her way in the future into the top three. We'll see. Yeah.
00:48:08
Speaker
And then for me, most hated this episode is is pretty easy. I would say Ethan definitely in there, although I agree with you. He's a great villain and yeah very interesting character. Boone is definitely my second.
00:48:22
Speaker
And then I'm with you, the Charlie probably slots in there this week, although I, I like the the one side of things, you know, his protectiveness over Claire. Yeah. That he was able to take action on Ethan because I, I think it probably was the right thing to do to protect the camp, but he definitely wasn't himself this week. So yeah given the fact that we don't have a lot of other characters that there's really much to hate about this week, I think he kind of has to fall in that. Yeah. All right.
00:48:52
Speaker
On to theories and predictions. This is the part of our podcast, Nick, where really it's it's an open slate for you to kind of talk about some of your theories. What do you think is going to happen next? And, you know, are there any theories that have sort of tied up loose ends since the last time that we chatted? I really don't think most of my theories have been answered. I want to do a tally at the end to see how many have been answered correctly, how many have been wrong and how many years have not been answered. That would be awesome.
00:49:22
Speaker
Let's do it. I want to. i I do know I was wrong about my Claire not being pregnant theory last week, because she was still very pregnant this episode. I'm not gonna bust your chops too bad about that one. Yeah. I mean, and that one I couldn't really see she was in the the forest. I don't know. Yeah, for sure.
00:49:47
Speaker
Besides that, I don't really have any more predictions. I still think Ethan is Alex. Outside of that, I don't really have any new predictions. I don't think. I just think, I think Boone is gonna continually do stupid things. I think Claire will slowly regain her memory. And then we' we will learn what Ethan did to Claire. Or what happened. Yeah. I think that's a solid prediction.
00:50:15
Speaker
And I predict Claire will have her baby soon. Yeah, I think that's another pretty solid prediction. I think we'll also get back into some of the other theories and predictions that have fallen by the wayside. You know, you mentioned the hatch. We're definitely going to get right get into that soon and hopefully get some answers. And right there's definitely a lot of other things that you've talked about and not strategized, but just theorized about yeah throughout the season that we'll definitely get back to some here in season one.
00:50:46
Speaker
All right, well that's it for today's episode of the Lost with My Uncle podcast. Thank you all for joining us and for listening and supporting the podcast. Next time we'll be discussing episode 16, which is titled Outlaws. So as is our new sort of ritual that we do here every week, Nick, any guests as to which character this episode will center around. It's called Outlaws.
00:51:10
Speaker
So I would have two predictions. yeah and That's kind of fitting because outlaws is plural. That's true. I would guess that this is a Kate centric episode. However, since we just had one like three episodes ago, I'm going Sawyer on this one. Going Sawyer.
00:51:30
Speaker
if Well, then I'm going to have to tell you that you are correct. I thought so. We will be learning more about Sawyer and kind of seeing what drives him in the next episode. I'm excited. I actually might watch it tonight. You should absolutely do that. Maybe we'll be in our top three most loved next time. Maybe. Maybe.
00:51:56
Speaker
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