Transcript
Speaker: Terrific.
Speaker: You're listening to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. I'm Aaron DS and I'll be rewatching Lost along with my nephew Nick who will be watching it for the very first time.
Speaker: So come along with us and enjoy the journey.
Speaker: Let's get lost. Let's get lost.
Speaker: Hello and welcome back to the Lost with My Uncle, a Lost Rewatch and First Timers podcast. I'm Aaron DS and you can call me your resident millennial lost superfan.
Speaker: And I'm Nick, the nephew who is now deep enough into season two that I've started having dreams about hatches, polar bears, you know, the others, you name it.
Speaker: Please send help. ah The island's really starting to get to you, huh? Well, today we're covering episodes 19 and 20, which are SOS and Two for the Road. And these two episodes are so different in tone.
Speaker: Episode 19 is filled with mystery and heart. And episode 20 is, well, let's just say it's a doozy. ah i'm I'm not.
Speaker: I don't even know how to process the ending of episode 20. um We'll talk about that when we actually get there. But was I was excited. i was excited to get some Rose and Bernard backstory because, you know, I'm a huge fan of Rose.
Speaker: Yeah. So was I was really big on this episode.
Speaker: That's awesome.
Speaker: Well, we're excited to get into it. As always, we love hearing your feedback. Listeners, feel free to send us your comments and questions to lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com. And that's lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com.
Speaker: Let's do this. Let's get lost. Let's do it. So our first episode tonight, which is episode 19 of season two, is called SOS. And it's a Rose and Bernard centric episode.
Speaker: And it opens with Bernard trying to rally everyone to build a giant SOS sign on the beach using black volcanic rock.
Speaker: Well, wasn't really big fan of their backstory. I feel like we've... You know, I've been asking where Rose is since season one. Since like, ah you know, we saw her, we saw her at White Rabbit, or no, we saw her at Walkabout, the end of Walkabout.
Speaker: And I've been wondering where Rose is ever since. So this is finally great because we saw a lot of Rose this episode. And that's, that's my mojo.
Speaker: And we understand why now Rose has been one of those people, similarly to Locke, who is enjoying their stay on the island is because they have something to gain for it.
Speaker: But you can also see like the married couple bickering between Bernard and Rose, even though I think they've only been they've only been married for like, I don't know how long ago the flashback was for when he engaged, but they've only, they've probably only not even been married a year.
Speaker: Yeah, I would say it's just been a few months, probably. But interesting, and regardless. Yeah, and that that an intro was was very interesting where Bernard's trying to build the SOS sign. You can just feel that tension, and Rose tells him straight up, I'm not going to help you build that sign because she thinks it's giving people false hope.
Speaker: Which leads us into their flashback, starting with how they first met. Okay, well, I will say their meetup was very, like, couple-y and cute and refreshing compared to all the tragic, um sad backstories of all the other characters.
Speaker: Renard helping Rose with her stuck car and, you know, her her asking to buy coffee. And it was, it felt nice. It felt like one of the best meetings that we've seen on this show. And it felt meaningful.
Speaker: Yeah, for sure. And they are seen meeting for the first time, like you said, when he helps her get her car unstuck from the snow. And Rose, initially reluctant to accept his help, ultimately manages to free the car with his support. And in return for his assistance, she's like, hey, could I buy a cup of coffee? And he's like, yeah, coffee be good.
Speaker: And then we kind of jump ahead, you know, ah few months to when Bernard is trying to propose to her in a restaurant. and And she reveals a cancer diagnosis after his proposal.
Speaker: And Bernard's reaction was perfect. Simply, I don't care and I love you anyway. And and that's really what real love looks like.
Speaker: And it's so nice and to see that, especially after we've had relationships on the island, like Sawyer and Cade or whatever, or Jack and Cade, and you know Hurley and Libby, Charlie and Claire. It's nice to see a relationship that's built upon those actual fundamental values.
Speaker: Oh, yeah. And then on their honeymoon, Bernard takes Rose to a faith healer in Australia, much to her chagrin and anger, but she eventually agrees to talk to... i don't remember. Isaac of... A Rulu or something? Oh, I think you're actually right.
Speaker: You know who I did? I think so. was gonna say Isaac of Aurelio, and I was like, that's not right. No, no. Aurelio. I mean, because you gotta to think it's like Australia. Yeah, yeah, yeah But...
Speaker: man, Rose was very angry. And I think that's one of the first times we've seen her angry. although I loved her line about making peace and, you know, realizing like, I've made peace with it, now I need you to make peace with it. And she had kind of accepted her fate.
Speaker: But, you know, Bernard being Bernard wants to fix things, kind of similarly to Jack, but he wants to to fix things. And it showed the differences between the two of them.
Speaker: oh and how they will handle adversity in their ways and whatnot.
Speaker: And that faith healer scene was really cool. Isaac tells Rose that certain places have magnetic healing properties, but then he's like, he's doing the the weird thing where you hold your hands to someone's palm, you know, almost like you're reading them. Mm-hmm.
Speaker: He does the same thing that our psychic did, right? Where it's... Yeah, with Claire. Yeah, and he's like, Australia isn't the right place for you. I can't help you.
Speaker: And she's like, well, I knew you weren't going to be able to help me, but I'm still going to tell Bernard that I've been healed. Yeah, and it's funny, actually, that you mentioned the the magnet.
Speaker: healing property because the island that we're on with our losties and our tailies and and whatever, they seem to ah Locke got his legs all back in shape, you know?
Speaker: Rose living life. I mean, it it might have to do with hitting that button every 108 minutes. Yeah. You never know. Something with the magnets.
Speaker: Wouldn't that be something?
Speaker: I'm curious because... I guess we wouldn't know because the only time that it maybe hasn't been pushed, you know, Locke had already had his leg underneath the thing. So I guess he wouldn't know if his legs were paralyzed again. Anyway, you know, the whole Isaac scene really was a big kicker.
Speaker: You know, we talked about it. It it really speaks to Claire and the psychic back from season one. And he saw something in her future. And Isaac kind of saw the island in Rose's future in a way.
Speaker: Yeah. So, I don't know. And I guess Rose was trying to protect Bernard from the disappointment. But the dishonesty and lying and loss continues.
Speaker: Seriously. Such a liar. Mm-hmm.
Speaker: But this also connects to what's going on in the present time on the island. We've got Bernard obsessively building the SOS sign because he's not the type to accept that they might never be rescued.
Speaker: So you sound familiar to our flashbacks, right? Bernard is that Pixar personality or the half to try guy. And he explains to Rose that I just spent the last seven weeks surviving on this Island.
Speaker: And you guys, you lost, these are over here building kitchens. And he also gets onto Charlie and echo in that scene for building the church, which by the way, they confirmed it this episode. You were right.
Speaker: Yeah, I was right. Bernard is so over everybody playing house on the Island. you For sure. i like how it kind of clicked together.
Speaker: Bernard's pattern of not accepting the truth and, you know, Rose's cancer, stuck on the island, you know. And Rose kind of has the ability to pivot and find peace with, you know, the situation that she's in, no matter how difficult it may be. And, you know, I enjoyed...
Speaker: the scene with echo and Charlie Bernard's Bernard says something like, I'm trying to save us. And echo replied, people are saved in, in different ways. Yeah. And we talked earlier about the tension. There was so many tense moments between Rose and Bernard's episode, because she just continually, it felt like she was undermining what he was trying to do and he just didn't understand. And yeah.
Speaker: You know, multiple times, really, she honestly got pretty rude and snippy with him, but it was really just a defense mechanism and an attempt to get him to so just stop doing it so they could stay on the island.
Speaker: Yeah, and I think some of the scenes with the Bernard's crew, i think they had their charm. i was yeah i was I was pleasantly surprised with Hurley and Jin's participation, and you know Hurley didn't want to bring that rocks half a mile, because i mean who would ever want to do that? and you know He wanted to Bernard's job of just digging the letters in the sand, which is a lot easier.
Speaker: But the the Rose and in Bernard dynamic... has felt tense over the past few episodes where we see them. So I was waiting for that release of, you know, something finally good happens.
Speaker: For sure. And it all kind of came together in talking about those magnetic properties and the island's healing properties, potentially.
Speaker: spent a good chunk of time on that topic this episode, as Rose and Locke have an awesome interaction on the beach today. after Locke is, quote, done with the hatch.
Speaker: And while talking about Locke's cast, he mentions, it's going me you know four weeks or so to get better. And Rose not so cryptically says, well, honey, you and I both know it's not going to take that long.
Speaker: a And gives him a knowing smile and look. And then Rose reveals to Bernard later in the episode that she knows the island has actually healed her cancer, and that's why she doesn't want to leave.
Speaker: And she tells him how Isaac didn't do anything for her. And so this conversation kind of goes into our last podcast episode, actually, where we were talking about this, Nick. And it seems to confirm that the island is a magical location with healing properties.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, the and the reason Rose kind of knows that the island already heals is because she did have an interaction with Locke at that airport. There is a flashback with Locke where Rose drops her medicine and a guy in a wheelchair, aka a Locke, picks it up and hands it to her. So ye she must know him from there and and says like, hey, this island's got magical properties, which, you know,
Speaker: I guess confirms it for me too, because I was wondering if everything can be explained scientifically. And okay, I guess magnetism of the maybe it's got a strong magnetic pulse, right?
Speaker: Yeah. And maybe that can heal people with energy. I don't know if that's a scientific region. I don't know how fast I am to call it magic. You know?
Speaker: Like, her if Charlie starts magically flying, it's like, oh, the magnets! You know, like, then I'll be like, magic, sure. But I feel like I haven't seen, like, everything's kind of been explained by some sort of science fiction-ish realm.
Speaker: Yeah. But it makes sense why Rose doesn't want to leave. It's the same reason Locke doesn't want to leave. It's because they're... doing great there.
Speaker: And while some people are struggling and have a missing home, they're, you know, happy. that It's like the island is their place. I think Locke has actually said that before, where he finally thinks he found his his home.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, i got I gotta try my best to throw in one joke here. I bet if we give Charlie what's in the Virgin Mary statues, I bet he'll be flying. Yeah. that That's for sure.
Speaker: Oh, that's a good one. But I digress. What I was actually going to say before that popped into my head was the musical score during Rose and Bernard's conversation this episode was absolutely beautiful.
Speaker: Michael Giacchino again knocks it out of the park using this gentle and hopeful melody that really just emphasizes the miraculous nature of what's happening. And I will say that that is one of, in my opinion, the top three musical scores for season two.
Speaker: Wow. That's high praise. Yeah, and we've only had two of them. We've already had two of them so far. Can you guess what the first one? Do you remember the episode where I was going on about the... Oh.
Speaker: No, I do not recall. I think it was episode six. I think it was Abandoned when they had the... Or it might have been seven. Whichever one they had, the the reunion scene...
Speaker: where bernard Oh, yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, that that score was amazing because it really tapped into the season one finale too, which I loved.
Speaker: Right. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Meanwhile, we also get some significant hatch plot lines this episode. We've got Jack and Kate who decide to head to the line, which is the boundary the others established. Yeah. you try to make a trade, they're going to try to trade Henry Gale for Walt.
Speaker: Interesting that they they never try to trade Henry Gale for Michael. They're immediately like, we're going to trade him for Walt. Well, ah then again, they didn't really know if the others had Michael.
Speaker: That's true. That's true. And they probably assumed that if they did, they're in the same place. Yeah. And of course, it's raining when they get there, Nick. So, you know, weve we had that going and Jack is yelling intensely for the others to come out.
Speaker: Yeah, i was I was on the edge of my seat, that scene, standing there in the jungle yelling to the others who we never see this episode, and we don't know if they are watching. And eventually, you know, Michael comes stumbling out of the jungle, dehydrated, dazed, confused, can't talk, can't say his name, and that's the end of the episode.
Speaker: And the other main storyline this episode that we touched on earlier is with Locke, who seems to be losing his religion a little bit in this episode. Yeah, he's struggling. Henry's playing the mind games.
Speaker: As I'm second guessing everything, the button, the island. You know, Locke has been trying to remember the Blastor map and he's trying to redraw it.
Speaker: And he keeps getting frustrated because he can't remember it He's like, no, it's not it. crumbling up pieces of paper, throwing them out, and he's you know yelling through the armory door and towards Henry, asking if he you know entered the numbers and pushed the button.
Speaker: and And John was a little unhinged this episode. So it was kind of fun to see. Yeah, and Henry's sadistic smile, which they slow panned up to his face, they started with his chin and just kind of slow panned up. That was so insane.
Speaker: Yeah, it was he's creepy. He's so creepy. Later, Locke tells Rose he's quitting the hatch, and the end of the episode, Enos, he's like, I pressed your button for you, and Locke says, it's not my button.
Speaker: Yeah. And we do see the Blastormap coming back to him towards the end of the episode, so hopefully that means we will get some more lore and answers to that whole storyline.
Speaker: Let's hope. Yeah. And then as this episode closes, we get a kind of lover's montage with some peaceful music playing and it's showing all of our happy couples and happy beach scenes. And we have a final scene where it pans back to Jack and Kate before Michael stumbled out in the jungle. And and Kate says, I'm sorry kissed you, Jack.
Speaker: And Jack replies, I'm not. And... You know, that's the moment we see the traitor stumble out of the jungle. Obviously, we're going to get to that the next episode, but I guess we're back with Jack and Kate now, huh?
Speaker: Yeah. I don't know know. I don't know what's going on in that love triangle. The ever-shifting sands of Jack, Kate, Sawyer will 100% shift again. 100. That's pretty much it S.O.S.,
Speaker: one hundred that's pretty much it for s o s If there were any other things you wanted to bring up or quotes or anything that we didn't capture from this episode?
Speaker: I think we covered it. i think Jack and Kate had a romantical moment when they were caught in the net, which they believed were rouse was Rousseau's. Because it's not sophisticated enough to be the others.
Speaker: So and that's kind of it. I think we covered everything else. All right. Well, let's get Lost with the next one. Let's do it. Jump into it.
Speaker: We've got episode 20, which is called Two for the Road. And it's an Anna Lucia-centric episode. And, Nick, I have to say, Lost as a show does big reveals very well. And there are so many great episode-ending reveals and cliffhangers.
Speaker: But this one... is probably the most shocking ending from an emotional perspective. Yeah. And obviously our assumption is everyone listening to this podcast with us has watched the episode, but major spoilers here.
Speaker: As we have the death of not just one character, but we're we're assuming we have the death of not just one character, but two characters in this one episode. And in such a shocking way. So let's just start there, Nick, before we talk any details of this episode.
Speaker: How are you and anything you want to say about the ending starting off? Okay.
Speaker: Here's what I'll say about the ending. Okay. I want to be angry. i'm more confused. Okay.
Speaker: I'm very, very, very confused. So... And i'll I'll definitely talk more about it, but for now, I'm just going to go off. You know, I need more.
Speaker: before i Before I actually get angry and before i make a make a statement, I'm very confused. Okay. Just about, I mean, we and we can get into it more, but just about why it happened as far as from Michael's perspective or just why it happened from a show perspective or... and Why it happened from Michael's perspective. perspective Perspective, okay.
Speaker: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker: Well, let's start with the flashbacks, which reveal a lot about Anna Lucia's past and... In the flashbacks for this episode, it's kind of a continuation of what we saw in the last flashback episode where she took justice into her own hands. And so Anna Lucia's mother, she confronts her over murdering the man.
Speaker: And Anna Lucia, after some debating and refusing to admit that she did it, hands in her badge and says, well, I quit. And then while working as airport security at LAX, she's waving a wand.
Speaker: She meets Christian Shepard, of all people, who says it's fate and invites her to come to Australia and be his bodyguard.
Speaker: Why do so many people know Christian Shepard? Right. He knows everyone. It, like, makes me mad. Very mad. It's interesting because...
Speaker: You know, we see these characters and they have code names for each other, Tom and Sarah. So there's literally no possible way that she can know that it's Christian and Shepard or make the connection with Jack, which really sucks.
Speaker: And it doesn't really matter either way because the end of the episode. Yeah. So...
Speaker: And then we get this scene where Christian comes to her hotel room and he's like, hey, it's time. Let's go. And so she's basically like driving him around and and playing bodyguard for him. For what reason, we never really figured out because he says he's doing some dangerous stuff. But and none of us ever saw anything like that going on.
Speaker: Yeah. There's this scene where Christian is in Australia pounding on a door and arguing with a lady saying, I have every right to see her. I pay the mortgage on this house. I want to see my daughter. And he is...
Speaker: just wasted at this time drunk. Yeah. And you know, it's just heartbreaking and he, you can just see how far he has fallen apart from all the drinking. It's, but I mean, he's dead, right?
Speaker: Christian Shepard is dead. So maybe Anna Lucia was really with him until his final days. And she kind of watched him drink himself to death. And she tries to stop him, you know, and tells him, don't go back.
Speaker: Just go back to l LA. And he's like, I can't. And it's, it's also heavy because there's a scene or a flashback that we see with Jack, you know, talking to the air hostess and how worked up he is of about it.
Speaker: And it's, yeah, it's heavy. Yeah. Anna Lucia is behind him and she, you know, calls her mom and she's like, hey, mom, I made a mistake and I want to come home.
Speaker: And her mom, being the good mom that she is, is like, okay, I'll pick you up at, you know, what's your flight? She tells her her flight, and she says, okay, I'll be waiting for you there. So the good thing is, is at least her mom, who is in charge of a police station, is missing her daughter.
Speaker: So they've got to be at least looking. i mean, probably in the wrong place, but... they've got to be at least looking.
Speaker: Yeah. And the cool thing about that is that was actually one of the few times we've seen a good moment from a parent on lost where they did the right thing. Yeah.
Speaker: And then I have to get back nick to the daughter thing. What did you think about Christian saying, I need to see my daughter. And is it,
Speaker: Is it someone that we potentially know?
Speaker: i mean, it's it's possible. oh that's a good question. i mean, it's really possible.
Speaker: Yeah, interesting. I was thinking it could be Claire, but I feel like that'd be crazy. That'd be that'd be pretty obvious, given that she's an Aussie.
Speaker: Yeah, because... It might be too obvious.
Speaker: No, I mean, i think the mom kind of looked like Claire. I thought it was Claire when she opened the door. So, I mean, i guess it would make sense if it was... I guess it could make sense if it was Claire.
Speaker: And, like, yeah, she is an Aussie, so would make sense if that lady or whatever was in Australia was the mom. So, i mean, it's possible.
Speaker: Yeah. Definitely possible. Interesting. You gotta love how this show makes so many character connections off-island. Yeah. It's insane.
Speaker: And on the island this episode, Michael returns after his time with the others, and you know he seems to be traumatized and out of it. When he finally wakes up, he has some new details about the others.
Speaker: I mean, he looks terrible. When they find him, he looks terrible. He's been through it. And i mean, he knows the island. I mean, he traveled far. ah He's determined.
Speaker: um He gives them a lot of info. says he knows how to get Walt back. I i did believe him a while ago. And I was like, okay, let's go get him. But now I'm kind of, I'm really, really, really skeptical.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And then we get some lighter moments this episode, which also end up turning heavy with Hurley planning a romantic picnic for Libby. And Hurley has no clue. And it's it's really sweet, though, because for he first asked Saeed, hey, whatever happened to that radio thingy?
Speaker: And he's asking if he can borrow it. And then he goes on this fun little spiel about how cool it is to hold the boombox over your head and how you get the girl when you do that. And that was just cool. Yeah.
Speaker: it's It's a fun scene. And Saeed is mentioning the the beach where he took Shannon and, you know,
Speaker: it kind of it's crazy to think that they were a couple and she's dead now. That's insane to think about. But Hurley getting busted to by Libby when packing his backpack, also a sweet scene. And they were great.
Speaker: And they were, you know, Hurley yells surprise before they go out to the beach. And Libby's like, Hurley, this is our beach. Jim's right there. And, you know, Hurley kind of found love and.
Speaker: Yeah, it's over.
Speaker: Yeah, I'm with you. It's it's just it's absolutely gut wrenching for Hurley and really hard to swallow.
Speaker: And in our main plot on Island with Anna Lucia, she is really struggling with what to do about Henry Gale. She initially goes to the armory to give him food, and she's taunting him a little bit.
Speaker: And he does some whispering. And I think all of us, except for Anna Lucia, knew what was going to happen when she leaned in to do that. And he obviously attacks her and nearly strangles her with his bare hands. But then Locke comes in out of nowhere, having woken up from a nap and knocks him out with his crutch.
Speaker: And then i love the scene later where Locke came in to talk to Henry and he's like, you're here to apologize for what you did. I forgive you for hitting me with your crutch.
Speaker: was That was a great moment. And Locke is trying to find the answers, like asking, why did you attack Anna Lucia and not me? And Henry starts saying, you know, Locke being one of the good ones, so he would have been on the list.
Speaker: Mm-hmm. You know, and how he was there. Henry's job was to get him Yeah. Which I don't know if it means anything or if it's crazy talk from Henry, but if that is the case, that's insane. And I want to know more.
Speaker: Yeah. Really interesting.
Speaker: And that previous scene ends up pushing Anna Lucia over the edge. She decides she needs to kill Henry before someone else does. We even had that scene with her and Libby, and she's explaining what happened because Libby sees the cut on her forehead.
Speaker: and yeah Libby's like, Libby knows Anna at this point. She's like, Anna, don't do anything crazy. And yeah Anna ends up going to Sawyer to try to get a gun from him because Jack has her gun from the last episode.
Speaker: And, you know, she's being secretive about her plan. Doesn't want anybody to know. but Yeah, and then Sawyer and Anna Lucia hook up. Yep.
Speaker: I mean, sorry, let me just say that a little bit more, like like how I reacted. And then Sawyer and Anna Lucia.
Speaker: They hook up. Yeah. I... i It's insane. that I
Speaker: i still don't have words for it. What? right And obviously, I knew, i i are like i'd I'd like to think I know, it was all for the gun. right like yeah she She wanted to take on Sawyer in a fight, and she lost. And Sawyer's like, what are you going to do? And she shows him what she's going to do. And he gets extremely or he gets extremely distracted, and you know She walks off with the gun.
Speaker: Yeah. I mean, telegraphed that one and Sawyer was just like, walk right into it. Yeah.
Speaker: And then that, of course, leads to Lucia being left alone in the hatch with Henry while John, I'm sorry, while Jack, yeah, John, Jack, and Kate go to try to get the guns from Sawyer and talk him into giving them the guns.
Speaker: And as they are talking, Jack actually pulls his gun on Sawyer and he's like, Sawyer, give us the guns. And Sawyer reaches for his back pocket and realizes that Anna stole his gun and Locke's like, Jack, I need to tell you something.
Speaker: Anna at this point is conflicted. has Henry cut himself loose. And then he mentions how, you know, Anna could be changed. And she says he was going to like, he was going to kill me. And Henry goes, was he?
Speaker: And it was, it was really interesting. like she wants to shoot him, but she says she can't. And Michael shows up and and says, I'll do it for you. I'll, I'll kill Henry.
Speaker: So you don't have to, and you don't have to live with that on your conscious. And it, it was very, I, I, I believed it. And it made sense that Michael would do it. i mean, I didn't want either of them to do it because I wanted answers.
Speaker: was very mad. Because I was like, oh, i want I want answers. That's all I want. And last time you guys killed Ethan and and we didn't get any answers. So, I mean, you you take this part. I can't.
Speaker: I'm not doing that. Yeah, this is where it gets super shocking and Michael takes the gun. He asks Anna Lucia what the combination is. She tells him.
Speaker: And then he says, I'm sorry. And she's like, for what? Then he shoots her. Stands there with a sort of terrified look on his face. Or i don't even know what the look was that he had. Regretful.
Speaker: The filming on this, despite the heaviness of the scene, was so amazing because the way they panned sideways. And you hear this voice right as you see Libby come into the picture and she says, Michael.
Speaker: And he gets startled and he turns and he shoots her twice. And then it really hits him what he's done. But he walks up, he unlocks the armory. He releases Henry Gale while shooting himself in the shoulder. And we fade to black with Lost hitting our screens.
Speaker: And man, I think we've ah think we've said enough about this traumatic episode, but I also remember the first time I ever watched it back in like 2006, and I was just wrecked after this episode. So like I mentioned at the beginning, this one's tough.
Speaker: Definitely one of the most shocking. So listeners, and for you, buddy, hang in there. I know how hard this one hits.
Speaker: I just don't know why. i don't get it I don't get it. I was i was thinking, like, what does he have to... So here's what I was thinking, is is what does he have to gain from this?
Speaker: Right? like Like, seriously, what does he have to gain from this?
Speaker: Well, i think if we I think if we look at it with all the other episodes in mind, I think that this this whole scene was set up a long time ago, I think.
Speaker: So when Michael was sitting there talking to someone on the computer and being tricked into thinking it was Walt, think it was the others the whole time. Yep, agree. Somehow they've they've held Walt over his head. he must have communicated with them in some capacity.
Speaker: And they talked him into doing this, probably promising him that he could have Walt back or be with him in some capacity.
Speaker: Yeah, i see. So whether you know whether or not they told him to actually kill anyone, it's possible that that's just the decision he made because that's where he found himself. And he was like, I don't know any other way to get him out of there.
Speaker: yeah And obviously libby was Libby was a total accident. Libby was, yeah.
Speaker: But you're not in that situation if you don't make the first decision, is my take on it. Yeah.
Speaker: Okay, let's that's one thing.
Speaker: Right? I'm still open to the thought, because I'm optimistic, I'm still open to the thought that Michael didn't contact them.
Speaker: And He, you know, like he, he was right. Like they don't have that many guns. There's like, he said he counted 22 of them. There's not that many.
Speaker: And he, I don't know. i don't know. I want to be optimistic. I want to believe he didn't do it because of that. I want to believe he's not working with them.
Speaker: So what's the what's the alternative? Is the alternative that he is just trying to rally them to go after them? I mean, the alternative is... i don't even know. Maybe he wanted to take... Because I don't know if he... Did he set Henry Gale free? or did he Because he opened the ah the cell and he shot himself in the shoulder. So is Henry Gale going to like... What's stopping Henry Gale from just killing Michael right there?
Speaker: You know? Yeah, no I hear you. What was the purpose in shooting himself in the shoulder? Is he just going pretend like he's dead and then tell everyone that it was Henry? i don't understand the point of that.
Speaker: From Michael, I'm saying I got there later after every everything was gone. Right.
Speaker: I don't know. I don't want to believe he's bad. Not yet. Not until I get an official answer. Alright, that's fair. Well, we've got four episodes left in season two. I'd say we'll get an official answer.
Speaker: Yeah, I agree
Speaker: agree. Alright, well, any any closing thoughts on that depressing episode?
Speaker: I don't think both of them are dead. Okay. I think one of them lives.
Speaker: Any thoughts on which one? Okay, so here's where I'm conflicted. Libby was shot twice. That's not a good sign. You're probably dead. If it was one, twice, it makes me hard to believe.
Speaker: So i was thinking maybe Anna Lucia could have survived. But at the same time, Lucia's story ends there, at least with her flashbacks.
Speaker: <unk> Like, we're caught up. like we We know everything with Anna Lucia. It's kind of of a Shannon situation where we got a Shannon episode, and in that Shannon episode, she died. That's true, yeah.
Speaker: It was exactly like that. I think it's very similar where Anna Lucia's dead. Yeah. Right? But i really i i really don't want to believe that Libby's dead, especially when we got that cliffhanger of her in the um mental hospital. So maybe she does live. Maybe Libby lives.
Speaker: Maybe she does. She was holding something in front of her, but I think it was just the blanket for the picnic. So I can't imagine that. Yeah, I think that's what it was. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker: But yeah, we will we will definitely see, and I would imagine we'll find out pretty quickly. One way or the other. Yeah. All right. Well, do we want to do some most loved, most hated?
Speaker: let's Let's jump into it. All right. Well, our fans know what this is about, so we're going to skip the intro tonight, and we're just going let you hop into it. um I think most hated has to be Michael.
Speaker: Like, regardless of of if he's innocent or not, he killed two people, or he shot at two people. yeah Maybe both of them live, but i'm I don't think that's true. But, you know, like, I think there's no way that Michael shouldn't be at the bottom in in that kind of situation. So I'm going to put him at most hated.
Speaker: um Second most hated, I have Christian Shepard. Yeah. i I hate him. He's the worst. Literally always, he's the worst. What a terrible, terrible dad.
Speaker: Yeah, no, seriously. Terrible, terrible dad.
Speaker: My third most hated is a little hard. Oh, no, it's not. It's Bernard.
Speaker: Bernard? i don't know. I thought Bernard was really... I thought Bernard was really annoying in SOS. Did you? I thought so. Like, I get what he's trying to do, but i kind of felt like a lot of it was like, okay, let's do this, let's do this, let's do this, let's do this.
Speaker: And I was like, okay, sure But then he kind of just got like bossy. Yeah. And it was kind of like, like me, me, me. Listen to me. I'm the boss.
Speaker: Right. And that's why people left too. And yeah, like, I don't know. it
Speaker: I feel like he was also very like big on getting it done that day. When reality, it just could have been like a big thing or like like ah like a one-week project or something. I don't know.
Speaker: But, you know,
Speaker: I thought... It's so funny, too, because Rose at one point says, I think you have a management issue. Yeah, exactly. So i think he was kind of annoying at some points. So I'll put him in my my least most hated.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: As for my most loved, gonna think, what happened in For the Road?
Speaker: It's kind of hard. I feel like we didn't really get super deep into some of these characters.
Speaker: I guess I'll put Anna Lucia at the two. so she's not my It's kind of a weird order I'm going in. She's not my most loved. She's not my least most loved. She's my middle most loved. So even, alright, I'm gonna i'm goingnna call ah want to call your bluff here.
Speaker: Okay. I'm gonna ask, so even though she slept with Sawyer to get a gun, which ended up being the same gun that shot her and Libby. Okay, I see. That's a good point.
Speaker: But she didn't kill Henry yet. Right. She thought about it, though. She was going to. and Oh, yeah. kind of She kind of set that whole situation up. So I'm with you, though. like As a whole, you know i liked seeing her off-island character kind of find some redemption and even trying to help Christian Shepard.
Speaker: Yeah, I'll put i'll put her at the least most loved. That's what I'll do. I'll put her at the least most loved. That makes more sense to me. Okay. Well, then I did my job. I feel like Locke has to be up there a little bit.
Speaker: Does he? You know, because I... the and I mean, who else am I going to put up there?
Speaker: You know, like... know one character you could put up there. Who would I put up there? Rose? Oh, duh.
Speaker: I knew about that. Yeah, i was going to put Rose up there. i I told myself before I even started talking about Most Loved going to Most Loved Rose up there. She's probably my one. She's my two or she's my one. Okay, yeah. ah I got to think about who... Because, I mean, my other options are... I mean, i definitely not Sawyer. Because, you know, reasons that shall be unnamed.
Speaker: Yeah. Jack, I feel like, didn't... do anything. Neither Locke. Like, they had very little, like, parts. You know, like, eh.
Speaker: I'll put Jack at my two, Rose at my one. That's what I'll do. I liked Jack's initiative yeah on wanting to trade for Henry Gale. Yeah.
Speaker: that's my That's my most loved. Okay. Yeah, i like that. These are, these episodes are even harder than the other ones. We keep saying that, but I yeah really think that.
Speaker: All right, let me do with my most hated first. So, absolutely, Michael is at the top of the most hated list. Yeah.
Speaker: I'm with you, Christian Shepard is probably in there as well.
Speaker: The third most hated is really hard this episode. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: I almost...
Speaker: I don't want to put Anna Lucia in it, even though the aforementioned things that I said, because it's her last episode and she does somewhat redeem herself in other ways. Yeah, is it her last episode?
Speaker: Well, we're making the assumption, right? Yeah. that's what That's what we're saying. sawyer Sawyer could make his way into the bottom three, just based on...
Speaker: That whole thing with Anna alone.
Speaker: i am with you. Bernard was both awesome in parts and super annoying. So I know I do this a lot. I feel like i feel like you could decouple parts of Bernard this episode.
Speaker: So here's what I'll say. i'll say I'll say most hated number three is the tie between Bernard. Bernard's on-island SOS thing. Yeah.
Speaker: And then Sawyer. so those those will Those will be a tie for And then on the most loved side, I'm going to say Rose and Bernard as a couple. Okay. I'm going to put them in there.
Speaker: I'm also going to put Hurley and Libby as a couple because sure what an awesome you know budding romance between the two of them. It's really great. Libby's been great. like The only...
Speaker: The only doubt I have on her is like you know the whole deceit about being in the Santa Rosa Health Institute. But other than that, like she's been a great character. She's uplifting. She's great for Hurley.
Speaker: So I'll put them in there as a couple. And then...
Speaker: think I would put Jack as well, because he does... He does take some initiative, although Kate was right alongside him both of these episodes, yeah too.
Speaker: So maybe I'm just going to do the the trifecta, and we'll put Jack and Kate as our third. i like it. Awesome.
Speaker: Well, that's a wrap for our deep dive into Season 2, Episodes 19 and 20. From Rose's miraculous healing to the tragic... assumed loss of Anna Lucy and Libby. These episodes really show lost range.
Speaker: And our next two episodes are going to continue to get crazy. So let's play another round of our guess which character these episodes are about.
Speaker: And episode 21 is titled simply question mark and not the words question mark, but the actual punctuation. How am I supposed to guess that?
Speaker: BS Lost.
Speaker: They're not making it easy on you. No, they're not. Maybe let's let's start with episode 22. Maybe you guessed that one first. So that one's called Three Minutes. Three Minutes? What does that even mean?
Speaker: Not vague at all. It's not vague at all or are you being sarcastic? Oh, I'm being sarcastic. Yeah, totally. Oh, okay.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I feel like a Kate episode is due. ah really feel like a Kate episode is due. Okay.
Speaker: So that, which one are you guessing for that one? Question mark is the Michael episode that's going to update us on everything um that he went through while he's been gone.
Speaker: Three minutes is a Kate episode. Okay.
Speaker: Final guesses. Those are your final guesses. All right. Yes. So
Speaker: those are not correct. One of them is close.
Speaker: Okay. So it's, it's a Walt episode or something like that. No, no, it's not a Walt episode, but what what I'll say is one of your guesses goes to one of the episodes.
Speaker: Oh, but I'm not going to tell you which one. Okay, so the Question Mark could be a Kate episode, or Three Minutes could be a Michael episode. Correct. Okay.
Speaker: I see. So i think I think technically, you know, we'll we'll give you a one out of two because you at least had the right names in play there. Okay. Or you had the right name in play there.
Speaker: Okay, so then I got half out of two. Yeah, that's that's what we could do. Yeah, that's that's fair. All right.
Speaker: Awesome. But yeah, I can't wait to get into the next one. Hard to believe we've only got these next two episodes and then the two-part season finale coming up and we will be done with season two already.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Crazy. It is crazy.
Speaker: And thank you listeners so much for joining us on this fun and crazy journey. Don't forget to subscribe and leave a review. Until next time. Until next time, please, I'm begging you, don't shoot two people that you know very well and have put their trust into you, especially not for your son, who I've hated for numerous episodes.
Speaker: Don't do that. I put my millennial uncle's stamp of approval on that closing statement. Okay, I'm i'm glad. But until next time, i can't
