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Exodus Recap (3 Part Season 1 Finale)
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The Season 1 finale is here, and it’s nothing short of explosive. The raft sets sail, the hatch is opened, and the island’s mysteries deepen as danger closes in. We break down the survivors’ desperate escape attempt, the shocking encounter at sea, and the eerie events surrounding Rousseau’s warning. Our millennial uncle revisits the suspense of watching this live, while Nick tries to process the massive cliffhangers. What’s inside the hatch? And what will happen to the survivors left behind? Join us as we wrap up Lost Season 1 with a finale discussion full of theories, emotions, and unforgettable moments!
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Introduction to the Podcast
00:00:21
Speaker
Terrific. You're listening to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. I'm Aaron DS and I'll be rewatching Lost along with my nephew Nick who will be watching it for the very first time.
Rewatching Lost and Season One Finale
00:00:37
Speaker
So come along with us and enjoy the journey.
00:00:42
Speaker
Let's get lost. Let's get lost.
00:00:50
Speaker
Hello and welcome back to The Lost With My Uncle, a Lost rewatch and first-timers podcast. We are your 20th anniversary deep dive into every episode of Lost.
00:01:02
Speaker
I'm Aaron Diaz, joined as always by my co-host Nick. And wow, hard to believe we've made it, Nick, finally at the end of season one.
Exodus Finale Analysis
00:01:11
Speaker
I mean, this is it. This is the moment. This is the finale. we've been This is what we've been waiting for.
00:01:18
Speaker
Oh yeah. Today, we're going to be diving into episodes 23 and 24, or if you're watching on Disney+, plus or Hulu, or Netflix, 23, 24, and 25, of season one, titled Exodus.
00:01:33
Speaker
And we have a long one for you, because we are including all parts of this finale, and we are not splitting this into two or three parts like the show did. So, without further ado, let's talk about this finale and our survivors.
Future Podcast Plans and Season Two Speculation
00:01:47
Speaker
Let's do it. And the listeners also need to know that Nick is fresh off of finishing these episodes about 30 minutes ago. so he is raring and ready to go and we can't wait to talk about it.
00:02:00
Speaker
Yeah. A little housekeeping though, going into this episode, some of you might be wondering what's next for the Lost with My Uncle podcast. Now that we've got a season in the books, will there be a season two?
00:02:13
Speaker
Will we watch it together and record all of the remaining seasons? So the answer to that is twofold. Yes, yes, yes, and a resounding yes.
00:02:24
Speaker
When Nick and I started this, we talked about how we didn't want to start something and not finish it. There are so many podcasts out there that are built within the same TV after show structure that sort of fizzle out due to life or time constraints or people getting bored, right?
00:02:40
Speaker
whatever it might be, but that's not something we wanted to do, Nick. No, we didn't. So we were like, you know what? if If we're going to do this, and like even before we started, we were like, if we're going to do this, we're going to do all six seasons.
00:02:56
Speaker
That's right. And I gave you so many opportunities to get out at the beginning. I was like, are you sure? You gave me plenty of opportunities and I'm so glad I i decided to stay. Oh yeah, this has been amazing. This has been so fun.
00:03:09
Speaker
Now, the second part to that question contains multiple layers as far as an answer. So for our listeners' benefit, Nick is a busy guy getting ready to start college this fall. He also happens to be in a serious relationship with his high school sweetheart.
00:03:24
Speaker
I'm a consulting manager at a Salesforce implementation partner. I'm also a dad, a husband, So we're both juggling multiple acts, so to speak. And at this moment, I can't tell you what the format for season two will look like, but I can tell you that the show will go on and Nick and I are going to get together here in a couple of weeks, do a retrospective of season one, talk about what worked, what didn't, and where we can maybe potentially shift the format while still accomplishing the end goal.
00:03:52
Speaker
So more to come on that.
Season One Recap and Listener Interaction
00:03:54
Speaker
What I can also tell you is immediately following this Exodus finale recap, We have a very special episode planned for all of you as we'll be doing a season one recap.
00:04:05
Speaker
We've talked about how much Nick and I both love ranking things over the last few episodes. So we're going to dive deep into our favorite episodes, ranking where they fall. And then we'll also talk about where we landed on some of the most loved characters, most hated characters, and just a quick summary of the mysteries that have been solved along the way and which ones are still outstanding.
00:04:26
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So I'm excited about that. I can't wait.
00:04:32
Speaker
And as always, we look forward to hearing from you listeners. So feel free to send us your comments, your questions to lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com. Again, that's lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com.
00:04:44
Speaker
And we'll look to feature you all in an upcoming episode. Well, Nick, you ready for this? I mean, isn't the last one of season one, but but let's get let's get lost.
Three-Part Finale Structure and Flashbacks
00:04:58
Speaker
Let's get lost. It's it's both ah happy and sad. Yeah, bittersweet.
00:05:04
Speaker
All right, so we have a unique approach on this three-part finale, Nick, and I'm sorry to have left you hanging at the end of the last episode when I asked you to predict which character the flashbacks would center around.
00:05:16
Speaker
But what did you think of the way the writers utilized all of the characters and flashback to their time in the airport before the flight and crash of 815? Yeah. um I loved it. I actually thought that was one of the best ideas they had in the show so far.
00:05:29
Speaker
It's like literally the perfect recap of a lot of things. And I also like that they brought it back at the end of the very third episode. I think for me, I watched it in three episodes, so I'm going to be referring to it as three episodes at the very end of the part three finale i love how they how we kind of see some interactions that the characters had on a plane like hurley giving a thumbs up to walt or um ah jack looking at john lock and like nodding his head for like a split second or um i'm trying to think another one off top my head
00:06:05
Speaker
Or Sun and gin sitting next to each other on the plane, you know, whatever. yeah So I thought it was an amazing decision from the writers. And I literally think this finale is... While I i just said to you right before we started recording that it didn't really feel like a finale to me, i think it was an extremely well done finale. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
00:06:30
Speaker
And like you also said before we jumped on here, you're you're still processing. Normally you have a little bit of extra time in between watching and when we record. and Yeah.
00:06:40
Speaker
So hopefully as we as you are doing this episode, you will process simultaneously and give us some really awesome insights. I totally will.
00:06:51
Speaker
Awesome. And these episodes to me were just amazing. I think that the three-part finale as a whole is just top-notch. um We are also taking a slightly different approach today, listeners. Normally we don't leave Many stones unturned in our full episode recaps. We go very deep.
00:07:07
Speaker
But given the amount of content we have to get through, we're going doing less of a full recap tonight and focusing a little more on the key things that happen, talking through key character moments, and then talking through questions that either got raised or answered during the finale. I see.
00:07:23
Speaker
All right, let's do this. So we start off with a flashback scene. And like Nick mentioned, all of our flashbacks this episode are taking place right before everyone boarded the plane. So most of them took place either in the airport or getting the characters to the airport and to the flight.
00:07:42
Speaker
Our first flashback is... Walt and Michael, they're staying in an airport hotel. And not a ton happens here, but we continue to see the struggle in their relationship dynamic that we've seen all season, Nick.
00:07:56
Speaker
he I think in the flashbacks, Walt is a total jerk. I don't know why. Like, he's kind of fine on the island. i think he's like...
00:08:08
Speaker
a fairly good kid. But in these flashbacks, he's just rude. Like, and I get like, he doesn't really know Michael, and it makes sense. But he's just still rude. Like, you can have a little bit of like, courtesy, you know, like, it's your real dad coming to, you know, do whatever. And you're like, you're not my real dad. And I'm, it's like five in the morning, and you're watching cartoons.
00:08:29
Speaker
And you he's like, Yeah, I'm trying to sleep. Can you turn that down? He just turns it up. Like, that's so rude. I know. i was so mad at that. I mean, and it's a flashback, so I understand. And I obviously don't hate Walt anymore.
00:08:42
Speaker
I've grown past that. You've grown. Like some of the characters have been on a character arc already, and you've also been on an arc this season. You've grown a little bit. Yeah, i've i've I've been on my character arc. So I don't hate Walt, but i did I certainly didn't like him here. Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:59
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's a little, i mean, I guess there there definitely are kids that would react in different ways. And obviously, I don't i don't question what he's going through. Super difficult. right But just the way that he reacts seems a little outlandish at times.
00:09:14
Speaker
But again, I'm sure that there are kids that that would react that way and completely disregard everything that their their new foundund or newly discovered parent was telling them and then also try to take off and and leave the hotel room.
00:09:27
Speaker
Yeah, I believe it.
00:09:31
Speaker
And then we transition to our opening island scene where on island, Walt is wandering into the jungle to take a pee. And we see the unexpected return of Danielle Rousseau, a.k.a. the French woman, who warns Saeed and the survivors that the others are coming.
Strategic Planning and Character Dynamics
00:09:49
Speaker
She's frantic, repeating that they need to run, hide, or die. And some other key items that take place during this encounter is she tells her story to all of the survivors, how she was seven months pregnant. and We've kind of heard, you know, pieces of this and have been piecing it together throughout the season. But she was seven months pregnant, delivered her baby on the island, and then she saw a black pillar of smoke and they took her.
00:10:16
Speaker
So I want to pause there for a second, Nick, because I know that for a while there you were going on the theory that Ethan was Alex. No, he wasn't. ah I know that one hits you hard there.
00:10:31
Speaker
oh Missed opportunity, writers. Missed opportunity.
00:10:38
Speaker
I mean, it makes sense. If she's been on there for 16 years, Ethan was way older than 16. Like, that I don't know why I didn't piece that together. True. If she's had this baby. um I mean, I guess we didn't really know that. I was kind of thinking that she wasn't pregnant and had the baby. I thought that her child had accompanied her on the mission and was already like in like said 20s or something like that.
00:11:03
Speaker
I don't know. Yeah, i don't I don't remember if they specifically called that out or not. They may not have actually said i was pregnant at any point until this episode. Yeah.
00:11:15
Speaker
And then the other piece of this early encounter when Danielle comes onto the beach that I wanted to call out is is she kind of sets the tone for later in the episode as she comes and just creepily stares down at Claire and the baby. And Saeed's like, Danielle, what are you doing here?
00:11:31
Speaker
What are you doing? Yeah.
00:11:35
Speaker
I didn't really catch on to the staring.
00:11:38
Speaker
Oh, you didn't? I didn't catch on to the staring, no.
00:11:42
Speaker
Yeah, they made a point to linger on that, on the opening scene there.
00:11:48
Speaker
And then Jack, of course, thinks that Rousseau is crazy, and he's telling the other survivors that his top priority is to get the raft launch, and so he and the others are working together.
00:12:00
Speaker
They run into issues, though, and Michael starts arguing with Sawyer, saying it's his fault. And then while this is happening, we get one of those those lost season one moments where all of the survivors turn around to look at something. It reminded me of the monster, you know, in the pilot episode. Yeah.
00:12:16
Speaker
Where they were all like, what's going on there? And so they all turn around and see this black pillar of smoke rising into the sky. Mm-hmm. And so they continue to have some dialogue about that, and they quickly determine that the hatch is where they might try to hide everyone.
00:12:30
Speaker
And Locke asks Danielle if she has any more explosives, and she's the Black Rock, which is in the Dark Territory. a lot of terms to go over here. Black Rock, Dark Territory, um but Black Smoke, the Others.
00:12:46
Speaker
ah I think it was a ah fantastic start to the finale. it's set It set the tone. It set the tone so well. I loved it. Yeah. I actually love that the hatch had some like value outside of just being curious about it.
00:13:02
Speaker
You know like, oh, we need to hide people in it. You know, like, that makes sense. I think that we haven't... we've We've known that there's been other people on this island, but there's never really been, like, a ah threat with it.
00:13:14
Speaker
You know, like... There was Ethan and there was Rousseau, but we haven't really had a group of people. And it's fascinating, to say the least, that we still, after this three-part finale, have not seen a group of people that have been on this planet. So it just makes me wonder, is there actually ah group of people, the others? is the is Are they real?
00:13:40
Speaker
You know, like... Well, now that you know that Ethan is not Alex, i mean, he had to be with someone, right? Like, it's not likely he's on the island by himself. Yeah. Was he working with Rousseau? I feel like there's a lot of questions about Claire and her time that still haven't been answered fully.
00:13:58
Speaker
True. I feel like my only complaint with the finale is that it did not answer as many questions as I hoped it would.
00:14:07
Speaker
That's fair. But I mean, I guess they had to leave some. It answered questions with questions. Yeah. I mean, i was I'm assuming they did that on purpose so that there was like an actual plot to season two.
00:14:18
Speaker
mean, if there's going to be six seasons of the show, then they have to keep you hooked somehow. Right. And they moved the story along to where it needs to be going into season two. so Right.
00:14:32
Speaker
And then in our next flashback scene, we find Jack at a bar in the Sydney airport where he meets Anna Lucia. She had overheard his yelling from way back in the White Rabbit episode where he was trying to talk them into allowing his father's dead body on the plane.
00:14:48
Speaker
And a couple of interesting pieces from the scene, Nick, is we find out that Jack is no longer married. Yeah. And we find out. Yeah. So that was a bombshell there. A little bit. And then find out. We kind of expected it, though.
00:15:01
Speaker
Let's be honest. Yeah. Yeah. if he hadn't talked about her in the show yet and he was so hesitant to marry her, it wasn't that shocking. Yeah.
00:15:13
Speaker
Yeah, that's fair. And then we also find out their seat numbers, which I find interesting that they, you know, were very specific to call those out. Anna Lucia's being 42F and Jack's being 23B. So I find it interesting that their seat numbers correlate with the numbers, Nick.
00:15:31
Speaker
I just made that connection. Holy moly.
00:15:36
Speaker
I just made that connection. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Okay.
00:15:45
Speaker
That's awesome. I love that. the I do know a little bit of a spoiler involving something in this flashback. I'm not going to mention it because I don't want to spoil it to our listeners, but I will tell you off air Okay. Netflix ah has spoiled again.
00:16:05
Speaker
know when goes and you're not watching... and like you're not watching And it's like kind of doing then it just starts playing things. Not playing things, but it starts like flashing like pictures of like a title card. So the I saw the picture for Lost. And I think we talked about this before.
00:16:23
Speaker
i I saw on that title card thing that Claire had had her baby. So I knew that Claire was going to have the baby. Like I knew that was going to happen. think we talked about that before.
00:16:35
Speaker
So Netflix did spoil that for me. And Netflix has also yeah spoiled something else.
00:16:43
Speaker
Yeah, we're going have to get you off of Netflix. Yeah, I mean, well, it it seems like anything I'm on, I guess what I got spoiled on Hulu. Remember when I was when i when I was making my guesses?
00:16:54
Speaker
Yeah, I think we're gonna have to go old school and buy you a DVD player and just get you the seasons. I think that's I think that's genuinely the move. I mean, I can't imagine that they're, well, I say that. I haven't looked. Well, I was going to say, I can't imagine you can't find those seasons pretty cheap online somewhere. Yeah.
00:17:13
Speaker
And then back on Island, we transitioned to Jack. That's kind of how this episode went, where it was going from the flashback, showing the character, and then transitioning to them on Island and what they were doing there as well.
00:17:26
Speaker
So Jack was giving a speech to basically encourage everyone to keep making preparations for the raft while he and some of the others go into the jungle for supplies. So obviously that wasn't exactly what they were doing, but that was the story he was giving, trying to rally everybody together. And then Arst is back in this episode. I know that you were little concerned last episode that he just kind of came out of nowhere to be annoying. Yep.
00:17:50
Speaker
And he was back in and we'll talk about, you know, later on, he made a big splash in this one.
00:17:57
Speaker
hasn't been He sees through the speech and Jack's plan and says, plans a little flawed, but nobody's perfect. You want to keep a secret? Don't tell the fat guy. So once again, Arst being Arst. I love that line. I love all the Hurley action that we get throughout this episode. he He's genuinely one of my favorite characters in this whole show.
00:18:20
Speaker
He's not even like included in this like little bit. It's just like like just like a little reference to him, and it's like hilarious. so Right, and I feel like I remember you commenting after Numbers how he wasn't as big as a part of the show as you felt like you should have been. Yeah.
00:18:36
Speaker
But he was definitely a huge part of the three-part finale. Yeah.
00:18:42
Speaker
And then Michael and Jen continue to work on the raft and argue about things. And Sawyer is also trying to help. And Michael's like, no offense, but it's just easier this way. Basically saying that Sawyer doesn't need to help. And that leaves him very frustrated as we head into our next flashback. But before we do, Nick, any other thoughts on that?
00:19:00
Speaker
um I love the way that Michael and Jen bicker. I think it's hilarious. Yeah. yeah I think and it's it's honestly such a good character dynamic considering how much they hated each other. And then like now they're right like, going to say they're friends, but how much closer they've gotten and how much bickering they do is just kind of funny.
00:19:22
Speaker
Yeah, agreed.
00:19:26
Speaker
And as we transition into that next flashback, we find Sawyer at the Australian police station tying up the loose thread from earlier this year where we saw him being brought in during the Boone flashback. Yes.
00:19:38
Speaker
So that was good. And Sawyer ends up being deported and given the the tickets for Oceanic 815. So that's how he ended up on there. But the most interesting piece here is we find out Sawyer's full name for the first time, and it's James Ford.
00:19:54
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I was really surprised when we learned that. I think that was, there's a lot of jo drama drop drop jaw moments in this finale. And I think that was 100% one hundred percent one of them.
00:20:09
Speaker
of Well, speaking of drop jaw moments, we then transition back to the island. And back on island, Sawyer is out in the jungle chopping bamboo when Jack walks by. And I want to spend a little more time here because this is my absolute favorite scene from Exodus Part 1.
00:20:27
Speaker
Jack approaches Sawyer joking that, Sawyer, you must have been a lumberjack in the real world. And Sawyer, a little irritated, said, is there something I can help you with, Doc? Because I got work to do.
00:20:38
Speaker
So Jack offers him a gun just in case something goes awry on the raft journey. Sawyer takes it and Jack wishes him good luck as they both realize that it's goodbye for now.
00:20:50
Speaker
And then we finally get the emotional reveal where Sawyer tells Jack that he met an American doctor in a bar in Sydney. And he says, turns out this guy had a son.
00:21:01
Speaker
Son's a doctor too. And they had some kind of falling out. Guy knew it was his fault while his son was back in the States thinking the same thing. There's a payphone in this bar, and this guy Christian tells me he wishes he had the stones to pick it up and call his kid to tell him he's sorry, that he's a better doctor than he'll ever be, that he's proud of him and he loves him.
00:21:21
Speaker
I had to take off, but something tells me he never got around to making that call. Small world, huh? To which a teary-eyed and emotional Jack says, yeah, and then Sawyer says, good luck, Jack.
00:21:33
Speaker
Oh, my word. One of the most incredible scenes ever. I swear this is one that gets the waterworks going for me every time I watch it. I mean, it's amazing.
00:21:44
Speaker
I love Sawyer. He's actually one of my favorite characters now. He's, like, by far. Yeah. Like, not even, like, not even debatable for me.
00:21:55
Speaker
Yeah. I love it. I think just his his arc has been a amazing. His growth has been amazing. And um this moment like where he where he's too scared to tell him before and now he's not. like It's so impactful. and i like it's so It's so great.
00:22:17
Speaker
Agreed. Yeah. And I'm excited to see where it takes his character arc in season two. Yeah.
00:22:26
Speaker
And then we have another flashback, and this one is Kate and the Marshal. And the Marshal is asked by security at the airport why he needs five guns.
00:22:38
Speaker
And this is that whole Halliburton case thing again that we had the whatever the case may be episode about. And he then antagonizes Kate in front of security and causes her to lunge at him to prove his points. And he's like, that's why I need five guns.
00:22:54
Speaker
So not much else really going on in this one unless you had some comments here. I always have comments. i I thought it was was interesting to learn that he's been chasing her down for three years.
00:23:07
Speaker
That was my great takeaway from that was it's been that it's been so long and he knows so much about her. And so it makes, I was, I was thinking like, oh, like he found her in Sydney. He's just a Sydney cop.
00:23:22
Speaker
No, he's just been chasing her for a really long time. And he finally got her. So it kind of sucks for the marshal. Can you imagine chasing someone for three years?
00:23:33
Speaker
and then you finally get to them, right? And the plane crashes and you're like, you're dying. Like, that's just, I mean, that's just gotta suck. Yeah.
00:23:44
Speaker
But we also do get some recap on the whatever the case may be flashbacks where she robs the bank in New Mexico. And I was really confused as to why the plane was there.
00:23:55
Speaker
But now it makes a lot more sense and it checks out. So yeah, because I remember you brought that up last episode and I was dying inside because I was like, yep, he's getting ready to find out. Yep. So I found out.
00:24:06
Speaker
And it makes a lot of sense.
00:24:09
Speaker
Yeah, for sure.
00:24:13
Speaker
And then we transition to Kate on the island. And this kind of ah a larger island section here where we have a lot going on. But we'll start with Kate. And she's talking to Jack and wants to go on the adventure. Sure. Wants to go get the dynamite.
00:24:27
Speaker
And Jack agrees for her to go. And then on the beach, Charlie is gathering messages to put in a bottle to send with the raft. So the whole message in the bottle thing. And Locke says, oh, that's sweet, Charlie. Message in the bottle.
00:24:41
Speaker
And then Hurley gives him a message. And he's like, dude, don't know don't read it. And the first thing Charlie does is he starts opening it up to read it. And Hurley's like, dude, seriously, don't read it. So that was great.
00:24:53
Speaker
I love their interaction so much. i wish I wish we got more Hurley and Charlie. I love their interactions so much. They're the funniest. Like when they're on screen, they're the funniest two to have on screen.
00:25:08
Speaker
Yeah, and it's been very absent lately. There hasn't been a lot of Hurley and Charlie. Yeah.
00:25:16
Speaker
And then there were some emotional goodbyes all around as they are preparing the raft to head out, but there was no goodbye for Kate and Sawyer as he's out in the woods chopping wood right now. And then the Black Rock party, as I'm going to call them, they head out accompanied by some very inspirational music.
00:25:34
Speaker
Yeah. and Locke, they stop to get a drink of water and Locke sees some scratches on Daniel's arm. And he's like, where'd you get those scratches? She says, a bush.
Journey to the Black Rock and Island Mysteries
00:25:43
Speaker
And Locke goes, mean bush.
00:25:46
Speaker
And then the party heads through the dark territory And Danielle reminds them that this is where it all began. it's where her team got infected and where Montan lost his arm.
00:25:57
Speaker
And upon hearing that, Arst chickens out and says, I'm going back. And says, you guys be careful with the dynamite. Yeah. ah I think now is a good time to say i was suspicious of arts Arst this entire time.
00:26:13
Speaker
i was like, there's no way you just pop up out of nowhere And, you know, know how to handle dynamite. And know the wind patterns.
00:26:24
Speaker
You know, and like, all this stuff. And then you like want to leave mysteriously. you know, so I was really, really, really skeptical. The only thing that made me less skeptical was when Hurley was talking about seeing his records in the... ah the I don't want i don but what to... Catalog? catalog i don't even know what to call it.
00:26:48
Speaker
Planes list of all the passengers. The manifest? Manifest, that's what it is. Yeah. I was very skeptical of him. Yeah, we'll talk a little bit more about Arst a little later also, but it was pretty clear to me once he appeared and went on the trek with them this episode was going to happen. and Yeah. 100%. I wasn't even in the slightest bit shocked.
00:27:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:27:18
Speaker
And then back at the beach, Sawyer returns with a mast that he chopped out of bamboo for the raft. And he says, cut and measure to length. And Michael was impressed with him.
00:27:29
Speaker
Sawyer was pretty happy with himself. So that was a cool moment. And then Jack's group continues on in the rain. So once again, starts raining. Arst soon rejoins them because he is running through the woods, making an almost like a barking sound. It sounded like he was barking.
00:27:46
Speaker
Yeah. He says, run, and Locke tells Hurley, hold on, wait, it's headed the other way. And then immediately after that, the rain stops and the monster is no longer heard, which I found interesting.
00:27:58
Speaker
It's always that rain. It's always the rain every single time that thats something bad or almost bad happens. It's always in the rain. Like, as soon as I saw the rain, i was like, all right, hold up. I was like, it's always the rain.
00:28:10
Speaker
This happens all the time. Don't be stupid. you know, like, yeah The rain, the rain, the rain. And it's always, it's always Locke knowing when the rain's going to start and stop. And also, yes you know, him saying it's headed the other way. Right.
00:28:24
Speaker
How do you know? Yeah.
00:28:28
Speaker
And then pretty cool conversation with Russo and Kate and Jack after that as they're kind of hiding in some of the bamboo trees. Russo talks about how the monster or the beast is the island security system.
00:28:40
Speaker
And Kate's like, security system for what? And she was like, well, it serves the role of any security system. It's to protect it. And then artist comes out of the jungle and Hurley says, dude, I thought you were dead.
00:28:55
Speaker
i I love Hurley. he's He's actually like my favorite character throughout all of this. I figured, yeah. Just his lines. Like his one-liners are so good. They're so good.
00:29:07
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They are very good. Yeah. And I got to hand it to Hurley. He will always make me laugh.
00:29:14
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. And then Walt goes to Shannon and says, i think you should take Vincent. And he says, Vincent took care of me when my mom died. Nobody would talk to me, so I had to talk to Vincent.
00:29:27
Speaker
You could talk to him about Boone if you want. And Shannon breaks down in tears and accepts. And despite how much I dislike Shannon, this was such a touching scene. Yeah, I guess.
00:29:39
Speaker
I mean... Oh, Nick's like, nope, I'm not going to acknowledge that it's touching. No, I'm not acknowledging that it's touching. It's Shannon.
00:29:50
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And then in our next flashback, we have a Boone and Shannon flashback. Primarily starts off with Shannon sitting at the airport, and she's acting about as crappy as per usual. And we find out that she turns Saeed in saying some Arab guy left his bag and ran off just to prove a point to Boone that she is useful.
00:30:10
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I hate Shannon. I actually hate Shannon so much. Like this, this made me so unbelievably angry. Like, I don't think you understand how much I despise Shannon after this. I already didn't like her.
00:30:24
Speaker
And now it's just, it's getting so much worse. I hate her. Oh, I absolutely understand. I'm right there with you.
00:30:32
Speaker
She's miserable. She's literally the worst. She's miserable. Yeah. And it's so weird, especially since like but she her and Saeed were like a sort of semi-thing for like an episode or two. like You see how it makes no sense? It's just like a crappy person, Shannon, with a good person, Saeed. That doesn't make sense.
00:30:51
Speaker
Like, crappy person with crappy person? Okay, I get that. Good person with good person? Okay, I get that. Crappy person with good person? No, it just doesn't make sense. Right.
00:31:04
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Yeah, and something that happens later in this three-part finale with Saeed really kind of proves that point again, too.
00:31:13
Speaker
And speaking of Saeed, back on island, he gets the raft crew set up with a radar unit and a flare gun, but he says there's only one flare, so choose wisely when you use it. Yeah. And the jungle trekkers finally reach the Black Rock, which, surprise, is a pirate ship of some sort that washed up in the middle of the jungle.
00:31:33
Speaker
What? So, you tell me. On your first watch, did you not just think it was a giant Black Rock?
00:31:44
Speaker
Yeah, I had no idea. i mean, I assumed, you know, based based on the fact that it said that, that it was just like a a landmark boulder thing. That's exactly what I thought, and it wasn't crazy to think that.
00:31:57
Speaker
Ugh. No. i was i was I was thrown through a loop there. I was thrown through a loop there, I'm not gonna lie. But, yeah it was an amazing centerpiece, and it was actually a very nice turn, and i actually loved what they did with that, the whole Black Rock sequence.
00:32:12
Speaker
So... Yeah, for sure.
00:32:18
Speaker
And then in our next flashback, we have Sun and Jin in the food court of the airport. And Sun is bringing Jin some food and some coffee, and she spills coffee all over his pants.
00:32:29
Speaker
And then as he walks off to the restroom to kind of get cleaned up, some racist white people talk about them while not realizing that Sun understands their English. Oh, so bad.
00:32:41
Speaker
And yes, I did. I did throw the word racist in there. Yeah, no, yeah you should. i I don't know how son didn't like flip out. I would have lost my mind.
00:32:52
Speaker
i Like I would have. Yeah, seriously, I would have been like, what are you talking about? Like, like, especially as soon as he went to the bathroom to like wash off, I would I would have been like speaking in English. Like if I'm her, I'm like, what are we doing?
00:33:04
Speaker
Mm hmm. But yeah, I'm a really big fan of Sun now. She was kind of like under my radar for a while. I'm a really big fan. The more I get of Sun, the more I enjoy her.
00:33:16
Speaker
Yeah, for sure.
00:33:20
Speaker
And that kind of transitions us into the the final scene of this first episode where we have Sun and Jin, and they're on the beach. Sun is actually approaching Jin with a notebook with some common English language nautical words and phrases written out phonetically in Korean.
00:33:40
Speaker
And at first, Jin was trying to basically get away from her. I think he... felt Felt bad that he was getting ready to leave on the raft and was just trying to avoid any final confrontation.
00:33:51
Speaker
And they end up both saying sorry in a hugely emotional scene. But Jin says, i still have to go on the raft because don't you realize I'm in this place because I'm being punished.
00:34:04
Speaker
I have to go because I'm going to save you. So I absolutely loved the scene. One of my faves. Yeah. I mean, this is still part one. This is crazy to me is that this is still part one.
00:34:15
Speaker
Such an emotional episode. and I'll talk about that again in a minute when we get to the raft launch. Yeah, that's actually what I love so much about Exodus one is that it is literally the most emotional. I, in my opinion, it's the most emotional lost episode we've had so far.
00:34:33
Speaker
Yup. And um I lied. It's the second most emotional lost episode we've had, but I'll get to what I think. Are you to say special the most emotional? I'll maybe.
00:34:45
Speaker
I definitely, I definitely think that this is one of the most emotional pieces of like lost what we've gotten. And it's so good.
00:34:56
Speaker
It's so good. The whole raft sequence is so good. It like, Oh, it's so good. I would have been so fine with season one ending there. Like that's, that's my perfect ending.
00:35:07
Speaker
That's my perfect ending. I don't care about anything else. That's my perfect ending. i got for money okay I loved it. I thought it was such a good closer. i it That's also why I stopped because i like I told you, I watched part one yesterday and I watched two and three today.
00:35:24
Speaker
So that was a really good closer for me last night was that. And I'm glad I watched, like I'm i'm glad what they did with with three, it two and parts two and three, but that's not the reason that I was, you know, doesn't rival part one for me.
00:35:43
Speaker
Sure. And the soundtrack, man, on this last scene for the raft. The soundtrack in general. Yeah, the whole episode was great, but like the the score that they wrote specifically for the raft launch, which we hadn't heard in any other episodes, was was so cool.
00:36:00
Speaker
I mean, i think... I need to listen score more. I listened to it a lot in part three. i mean, like I listened to it, obviously, in part two, but um I didn't get...
00:36:12
Speaker
to the extent that I wanted to listen to. So, I mean, i thought, I thought it was, I thought the score, I think the score everywhere in that show is amazing. Let me start off by saying that, but I love, I like, I love what they do.
00:36:27
Speaker
I think they're, Oh yeah, it's so good. I really do think that's the perfect ending is, is part, is part one. Oh, it's so good. And as we are closing out part one here and talking about this, we have Jen, Walt and Michael and Sawyer setting off in the raft, which is fully operational.
00:36:45
Speaker
And Vincent attempts to paddle out and follow them. But Walt's like, no, turn around, Vincent, turn around, which he eventually does. And he goes back to Shannon. also want to call out that, uh, you know Shannon didn't really try to stop Vincent from running out into the water, which I was annoyed about, but that's a whole other no no' the whole other topic. Horrible dog owner. like Horrible character, yeah horrible dog owner.
00:37:06
Speaker
Horrible sister. Like, you you there's no winning. There's literally no winning with Shannon. She's the worst. Exactly. And then everyone smiles and cheers and waves on the beach. They're so excited that the raft is taking off. And then the music shifts, and we transition to an eerie picture of the Black Pillar of Smoke off on the jungle horizon, and poof. We fade to black with Lost hitting our screens.
00:37:31
Speaker
So part one complete, Nick. Any closing thoughts before we jump into part two here? ah Not really. i don't i don't have anything. Just I think that part one, I mean, really the main takeaway that I have is I thought part one was quite literally perfect.
00:37:48
Speaker
i have like I have no words for agreed anything else. I just think part one was so perfect. No, i'm I'm with you. Like I, for me, and I know we're going to talk about this when we do our season one recap, but for me, part one is my favorite of the three finale episodes. I am, I am exact. I am in the exact same boat.
00:38:11
Speaker
I have it. I'm not actually gonna say where I have it on my list because I have my full list actually done and in front of me, but I do have, we got to give the people a reason to come back. It's true.
00:38:22
Speaker
I have Exodus one higher than two and three. So yeah.
00:38:29
Speaker
Awesome. Well, let's jump into part two here. Let's do it.
00:38:34
Speaker
And I know we're all excited to get back into the Black Rock conversation, but as we kick off part two, it's an interesting episode. There was a lot going on, but a lot of it was sort of contained to these buckets of events. yeah So bear with us as we approach this episode a little differently than we normally do. We're going to kind of bucket things and talk through them together. yeah Getting into that before we get back to the Black Rock and the Raft, here are some of the miscellaneous story threads from the episode.
00:39:04
Speaker
So we have Saeed and Shannon, one of Nick's favorite topics. Yay. Yeah. Saeed is leading a group of survivors to the caves, and he sees Shannon really struggling with all of her luggage.
00:39:17
Speaker
And it's Boone's stuff that she feels like she can't get rid of, and and she says that it's just too much. And Saeed says, it won't be too much if I carry it for you.
00:39:28
Speaker
And that was that was really cool on Saeed's part. Shut up, you love birds. Get a room.
00:39:35
Speaker
Yeah, we we get it. We get it. You're not a fan. No, I'm not.
00:39:41
Speaker
And then we have Charlie and Claire. I think you're bigger fan of them than Saeed and Shannon. So they have a lot of conversations in this episode. Slightly, yeah. I mean, they're not at the top of your list, but... Claire's having trouble with the baby and not getting any rest. And so Charlie and her talk about that.
00:39:58
Speaker
Charlie also goes to Saeed because he wants a gun to protect Claire.
Character Relationships and Fateful Encounters
00:40:03
Speaker
And Saeed's like, nope, last time was Ethan and we're not doing that. And later, Charlie brings Claire a Bjorn for the baby. Mm-hmm.
00:40:12
Speaker
And while he's there, Danielle comes back yelling that, I need Saeed, I need Saeed. So Charlie being the good spirit that he always is and willing to always run off and grab somebody to help, he does that.
00:40:25
Speaker
Yep. And then Claire sees the scratches on Rousseau's arms and remembers her being in the jungle with Claire during the kidnapping. Yeah. Crazy stuff. That I was not expecting. I was not expecting Claire to be the one who scratched Rousseau. That was one of my drop jaw moments.
00:40:41
Speaker
Like, what? So that's one of my questions is because Ethan's the one who took her. Right. So at what point did Rousseau get to her?
00:40:54
Speaker
You know? Right. That's where I see the confusion, if you will. Like what what was that defining moment? Right. What's the connection, if any, to Ethan? Right.
00:41:08
Speaker
So I'm very interested to see where that where that goes. Yeah, for sure. And then we get a lot of Saeed and Charlie in this episode as well, because Charlie gets Saeed.
00:41:20
Speaker
But upon their return, they find that Claire is knocked out on the beach and Danielle has taken the baby. So Charlie punches Saeed and says, this is your fault. You should have gave me a gun.
00:41:31
Speaker
Saeed reaches out with one hand and puts Charlie in a chokehold and says, do not do that again. do you want to waste time or do you want to go after her? I know where they're going. That was cool. I really liked that part. Awesome.
00:41:45
Speaker
awesome awesome awesome oh my god i think it really put charlie in his place he is like saeed is so right when he says that he leads or he he is so emotional like he literally just punches saeed like he punched like that is the least helpful thing you could do right now literally the least helpful thing you could do right now and i love how fast saeed is like all right but you know like i'm a soldier you just punched a soldier I get that you're emotional, yeah but you just punched me.
00:42:15
Speaker
You know, like, don't do that. You're stupid. Back off, little buddy. Yeah, like, back off. Like, seriously. thought that was awesome.
00:42:24
Speaker
Yeah, it was great. And so, Saeed and Charlie head off after her, but before they go, Claire finally names the baby and tells Charlie, go get Aaron back. And Charlie's like, Aaron?
00:42:36
Speaker
So that was cool. Finally have a name for little turnip head, I think is what Charlie calls the baby. Mm-hmm. And so Charlie and Saeed trek through the jungle and stop to take a break at the beach craft where Boone got injured.
00:42:50
Speaker
And Saeed reveals to Charlie that the plane was manned by drug runners and loaded with heroin. And we then see Charlie stare down at one of the statues in disbelief and temptation.
00:43:02
Speaker
This wrecked Charlie for me. this This was the the nail in the coffin for Charlie. and And me. Was it? This was the ah the fateful end to Charlie and I's relationship.
00:43:15
Speaker
Alright, well, maybe you'll get back together. I mean, I really hope so, but this was this was the end. That's fair. I despise this scene. This moment or the scene at the end where we see something else based on the scene? Both, because you knew from this scene where it was going.
00:43:32
Speaker
They wouldn't have this scene if it if it wasn't going to go where it it is at the end. I mean, I knew the second that Locke and Boone found the plane and that's what was in it, that that's where it was going. Yeah, I did i didn't make that connection until this episode. and Oh, okay.
00:43:47
Speaker
So.
00:43:49
Speaker
Yeah. And then we also have a Claire, Sun, and Shannon convo in the caves. Sun tells Shannon that her brother died bravely and she asks, do you think this, all we've been through, do you think we're being punished?
00:44:04
Speaker
Things we did before, secrets we kept, lies we told. And Shannon says, who do you think is punishing you? Son replies, fate. And Claire interrupts from a few feet away and says, there's no such thing as fate.
00:44:17
Speaker
So that was interesting also because if we think back to Claire's episode, her episode was very much centered around fate and what she would should be doing with the baby and all that. Exactly.
00:44:29
Speaker
I think it was really dumb for her to say there's no such thing as fate, especially after everything happened from this episode. Yeah, for sure.
00:44:42
Speaker
And then in our flashback scenes this episode, we start off by seeing the Sun and Jin coffee spill scene again, but this time we see Saeed as Jin is on his way to the restroom, and this is where airport security releases him from the Shannon After Effects.
00:44:59
Speaker
and they apologized to him for the delay, And then in the bathroom, Jin encounters a casually dressed white man who asks him for a paper towel in English. And when Jin indicates that he doesn't speak English, the man switches to Korean and he reveals that he works for Mr. Paik and knows that Jin is attempting to run away with Sun.
00:45:19
Speaker
He tells Jin to complete his delivery of a watch to an associate in l LA. And if Jin does anything else, he says Jin will lose Sun. Yeah, that's the scariest thing ever. Yeah.
00:45:32
Speaker
That's terrifying. That, like, he knows that. really Like, the fact that Mr. Pike knows that, and, like like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I was not familiar with your game, Mr. Pike.
00:45:45
Speaker
You know, I was not familiar that you were this much of a baller. Yeah, he's he's very powerful. So, i mean, that was ah that was a big reveal for me, and this was another drop job. I'm going to say that a lot, but...
00:46:00
Speaker
It certainly wasn't the biggest drop jaw moment because there's one in particular that I'm going to kind of say. and i'm assuming you know what it is, but I'll keep it interesting and and make our listeners wait. keep it interesting. and I'll play dumb either way. Yeah.
00:46:15
Speaker
Which I have to do that a lot on this podcast because I know everything that happens. and It's true. It's true. I mean, maybe I should get like an Oscar or an Emmy when we get done with this.
00:46:27
Speaker
Yeah. i mean, you've you've you're... acting skills have been amazing. Maybe you could have been on lost. Well, thank Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. And then in our next pre-flight flashback, we're at a hotel near the airport. And this is probably another scene that really helped cement Charlie's fate in your mind.
00:46:47
Speaker
ah He is looking for his stash before leaving for his flights. And then a girl from the previous night is in his bed and she's looking for a fix. Charlie denies having anything, and she gets aggressive, but Charlie refuses to let go of his heroin.
00:47:02
Speaker
She calls Charlie pathetic and then storms out of the room. don't know how she can call Charlie pathetic. That's the stupidest thing ever. She was doing the exact same thing.
00:47:14
Speaker
Like, literally the exact same thing. Yeah, completely fair. so And then in our last airport flashback of this episode, Michael and Walt sit in the airport waiting for their flight. Walt is absorbed in his Game Boy game, and Michael is frustrated that they are having a hard time connecting. He's trying to talk to him. So he gets up saying, you know, I got to make a call for work. But instead, he calls his mom and he expresses his frustrations to his mother.
00:47:43
Speaker
yeah offers to pay her to take care of Walt. So that was pretty crazy. Yeah, that was insane. Yeah. And one other thing here that we noticed is while Michael's on the phone, Locke passes by. Yeah, Locke passes by. I saw that.
00:47:57
Speaker
Yeah. And then when Michael hangs up, as as I was expecting to happen, he turns around and waltz. Likely heard a lot of the conversation about him as he was behind him waiting to ask for batteries.
00:48:11
Speaker
To me, it didn't really seem like he cared. You know? Like, I mean, he i know he probably did. What's he going to say? Yeah. But he was like he was kind of like, just gonna have batteries.
00:48:22
Speaker
Yeah. And then we return to our island themes for the episode, and the raft had had some stuff going on. Not a ton that I want to touch on, necessarily, because I felt like it was stuff that had to happen, but it wasn't super groundbreaking. Right.
00:48:37
Speaker
But on the raft, the crew is sailing according to plan, and they do see some amazing scenery as the island comes into view behind them. And Michael asks, how's a place like this go undiscovered? And Sawyer kind of jokes about, yeah, you can you can have a really good beach resort at a place like this. Michael's like, you you keep it. I'm getting out of here.
00:48:56
Speaker
There was a cool scene with Walt and Sawyer here. Walt learns about Sawyer's long-term search for revenge. As Sawyer is, of course, reading the messages from the bottle. Sawyer and Charlie are a lot alike in some ways. Yeah.
00:49:08
Speaker
And he was just sitting reading those. And Walt's like, you can't read those. And then we also have Walt and Michael did a little bonding on the raft, which is good. And then we had the scene where the raft's rudder breaks off and Sawyer heroically dives into the water, risking his own life to get it.
00:49:26
Speaker
Yeah. And he hauls it back to the raft and then Michael pulls him in and discovers the gun that Jack had given Sawyer. And he's like, here's your shirt, man. But he doesn't tell the others about the gun. yeah he was Yeah. I mean, he was kind of ticked off about the gun.
00:49:41
Speaker
I don't know why though.
00:49:44
Speaker
I wouldn't be ticked off. I mean, that's my opinion, but maybe just cause he didn't tell him, maybe just cause he kept it a secret. I don't know. I had a hard time with that too. Right? Like you don't know what you're going to encounter on that. ra And obviously they needed the gun. Yeah.
00:50:00
Speaker
And then back to the Black Rock, we've saved the best for last here. And I love how this episode started as we transitioned back to the group at the Black Rock. Hurley goes, how exactly does something like this happen? Talking about how there's a pirate ship in the middle of the jungle.
00:50:17
Speaker
And Danielle says, are you on the same island I am? Well, Arst is also trying to work it out in his head. And it was interesting to hear him from a teacher and from a scientific perspective, like try to talk about hurricanes. think he said something about hurricanes or wind. And tsunamis.
00:50:33
Speaker
Tsunamis, yeah. And then Danielle leaves. She's she up and leaves. She's like, hey, I got you here. I'm out. And as we found out later, there was a reason for that. Yeah. And Jack, Kate, and Locke go into the Black Rock and find the crate of dynamite.
00:50:51
Speaker
And while attempting to handle the dynamite carefully and carrying on like the arrogant fellow that he was, Arst himself triggers one of the sticks and it explodes, blowing him up all over the place. ye So did you see this coming, Nick? Or what were your thoughts when happened? wasn't very surprised when a so died, considering Hurley called him Arst The entire time, any character who calls another character by a name that's not that important or like, you know, something like that.
00:51:22
Speaker
it just makes sense that he it just made sense that he was going to die. Like, let's just be for real for a minute. Like that made so much sense. Ernst. What a silly name. hard name to say. It's a really hard name to say.
00:51:38
Speaker
And then we had some really cool dialogue scenes with the group at the Black Rock. Hurley is talking to Kate and he believes it's his fault because he's kind of bad luck.
00:51:49
Speaker
Yeah. And the remaining group members decide to continue their attempt to carry the dynamite. So they wrap the sticks in wet cloth as had demonstrated. And Locke suggests that they also carry a backup in case one of the carriers blows up so that The others will still be able to open the hatch.
00:52:09
Speaker
And then Kate is is volunteering her services to be one of the ones carrying. And Jack's very against it. He's trying to protect her and and you know be the leader like he likes to be. right And so they end up drawing straws for the responsibility.
00:52:25
Speaker
And Jack draws the long stick. So Kate and Locke are the ones who... are supposed to carry the dynamite. Supposed to. And also, yeah, supposed to. And then also a great Locke and Jack scene as they're pulling the dynamite and putting it into the ah wet cloth. Yeah.
00:52:41
Speaker
They talk about playing Operation. I love that. And Locke says, i always, yeah, it was so funny. i always got nailed on the funny bone while pulling a stick of dynamite. And then he scares Jack by going, zzz.
00:52:52
Speaker
Yeah. And then Jack goes, you like playing games, Locke? And he goes, yeah, very much so. Yep. I mean, it makes sense. It makes sense for his character. I mean, like even from the beginning when we see him playing backgammon, like it makes a lot of sense.
00:53:09
Speaker
Oh, for sure. And Locke was very playful in this three part in different parts. Yes, very playful. That's what I was going to say.
00:53:22
Speaker
And then as the group carefully treks along a waterfall, as we wind down part two of the finale, Hurley asks Locke, so what do you think's inside of that hatch thing? And Locke answers a question with a question and says, what think's inside it? He says, stacks of TV dinners from like the 50s or something, TVs with cables, socks, soap, and and Twinkies. You know, they keep for like 8,000 years.
00:53:45
Speaker
And this is part of the Locke being playful. Locke laughs and he says, I like Twinkies too. And then when Hurley asks him, so seriously, what do he think's inside? And he says, hope. I think hope's inside.
00:53:56
Speaker
I love the Hurley and Locke interaction here. I think it's amazing. I need to see more of these two together. I really need to see more of those two together. Like, that's what I need. Yeah, we haven't gotten much.
00:54:07
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:09
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Yeah, I agree. And then as we close the episode, the group continues and things get eerier as a huge bird of prey flies out of the jungle into the sky and screams. And Hurley goes, whoever named this place the Dark Territory, genius. And then we fade to black. But instead of Lost hitting our screens, it said to be continued. Yeah, that was different. To be continued.
00:54:35
Speaker
So any closing thoughts on on this one, Nick, before we get into third and final?
00:54:43
Speaker
Uh, I'm going to say I thought this one was a little weak sauce.
00:54:48
Speaker
I'm not going to lie. I agree in comparison. And, you know, there's a couple different ways to view this. Like a lot of people group all three of these into one episode when they're ranking it.
00:54:58
Speaker
Right. But then i've also I've also seen others that split it out into the three
Reflections on Finale Parts and Smoke Monster Mystery
00:55:03
Speaker
parts. But agreed, for me, I still think it's a great episode. like It yeah ranks much higher than than a lot of the season one episodes.
00:55:10
Speaker
But for me, it's part one, part three, and part two would be my order. Yeah, I agree with you.
00:55:19
Speaker
It just felt like, you know, part one was so emotional and just really set the stage very well. Part two, stuff was happening, but it just wasn't as impactful.
00:55:30
Speaker
And then obviously part three, there's some really cool moments, I thought. I um i completely agree with that. Like everything you just said, I completely agree.
00:55:39
Speaker
Awesome. Well, let's get into part three. I'm excited. Let's do it. Because part three starts off exactly how, at least I thought it should, as the group finally faces the smoke monster.
00:55:52
Speaker
And it's a terrifying moment. And notice I said smoke monster for the first time in this show because that is what it was revealed to be here. Yep. And Locke, instead of running away, goes after it with a smile on his face.
00:56:07
Speaker
And as he gets close to the monster, he is seemingly mesmerized by it while Jack and the others are yelling at him, trying to call him away. But then his complexion sort of changes on a dime as the monster shoots out of the ground and hovers over him.
00:56:21
Speaker
And this is the first time we've ever seen fear in our guy Locke's eyes. This is true. Clearly terrified. Yeah. And then in one of the coolest moments of the show, or maybe any show, Locke is being drugged by the legs towards a hole in the ground, and Jack goes flying through the air after him, grabs his arm and kicks out his legs to stop both he and Locke from going in the hole.
00:56:43
Speaker
And Locke's like, let me go, Jack. I'll be all right. And Jack's like, no, Kate, throw the dynamite in there. She throws the dynamite in and says, die, which is cool. The monster roars and retreats somewhere else. And what an amazing, amazing start to part three.
00:56:59
Speaker
And I've got to know, Nick, and I'm sure the listeners are curious. What are you thinking about the monster now? So lay it on us. I was right. It was a monster. It was not anything technological.
00:57:12
Speaker
I was correct in my monster or creature assumption. Okay. Yeah. How does smoke grab you?
00:57:21
Speaker
That's a good question. Very curious. that's that's my that's my That's my new question. you know like I don't know. How does Smoke grab a pilot and throw it up in the air?
00:57:36
Speaker
Right. There were also a lot more metallic sounds going on throughout this episode. So part of me thinks that there is something metallic going on.
00:57:49
Speaker
Yeah, very mechanical sounding. Yeah, we we saw the smoke, but I don't know how much I believe in it. I gotcha. So maybe it's a mirage? Right.
00:58:02
Speaker
Yeah, super super intriguing. like This was one of the things for me that has always been one of my favorite mysteries of Lost as I was watching it the first time. and Even as I watch back through it, like it's one of my favorite parts of the show and just figuring out what is going on.
00:58:15
Speaker
Yeah. So I'm complaining about not knowing these things now, but I'm going to be complaining in the future saying, wow, I wish I could watch Lost for the first time again. Right, exactly.
00:58:27
Speaker
So. That is so true.
00:58:32
Speaker
And then we shift over to the raft quickly where Michael and Jen are bonding over Jen learning some English from Sun's notebook that she gave him.
00:58:43
Speaker
And then we also have a touching scene where, you know, Michael gives Jen back the watch that had caused a fight between them. and And Jen kind of gets a ah look of acknowledgement on his face and turns around and he says, no, you have it.
00:58:57
Speaker
You keep the watch. And that was a pretty touching moment there. I loved that so much. Oh, my God. You're not you're not ready for of my lists for for what I got for you.
00:59:09
Speaker
Oh, I'm definitely not. I'm excited, though. Yeah.
00:59:14
Speaker
And then we also get a quick scene in the caves where Sun and Claire are talking and Sun tells Claire that Aaron is a beautiful name and she asks her what it means. And Claire's like, I don't know what it means.
00:59:26
Speaker
But Sun assures her in that conversation that Charlie and Saeed will get Aaron back. Yeah.
00:59:33
Speaker
Well, to be a little more specific, she says, Charlie will get your son back. She doesn't say Saeed. She said, Charlie will get your son back. And I was a little mad about that. actually i actually said out loud, no. I said, Saeed will get your baby back. said, Charlie will not do anything. Saeed will. Yeah.
00:59:53
Speaker
That's funny. And then in our next flashback, Hurley wakes up late for his flight due to a power outage. And on his way out of the hotel, we also get a Charlie cameo as he's in a full elevator and he yells, some of us are trying to make a plane here.
01:00:08
Speaker
and In a mad dash for the airport, Hurley experiences several mishaps, which include a flat tire arriving at the wrong terminal. And then he runs through the airport and then buys an electric scooter from an old man. He's like, I'll give you 1600 for this.
01:00:25
Speaker
The old man's face lights up. And then next thing we see is Hurley's driving through the the terminal and and he makes it just in time as they're closing the gate. But the door is already closed.
01:00:37
Speaker
And he's like, wait, wait, you gotta let me on here. I gotta get on this plane. And the gate attendant's like, I'm sorry, sir. The plane is closed. But then she calls back and lets him on and he gives her a huge hug before boarding.
01:00:51
Speaker
um To quote, she says, it's your lucky day. and she did say that, yeah. And I think the numbers and Hurley's luck was trying to tell him the entire time that he shouldn't get on this plane.
01:01:08
Speaker
They probably were, yeah I think the numbers were trying to protect him.
01:01:14
Speaker
Ah, okay.
01:01:17
Speaker
Man, we have a lot of inanimate objects that are like taking on personalities. The island numbers. The mechanical smoke monster. Yeah.
01:01:28
Speaker
And then we transition back on island where Hurley is whispering the numbers while walking with Kate. And Kate's like, did you say something? I thought I heard the number 23 and he asks, Oh, does that mean something to you?
01:01:42
Speaker
that was a pretty interesting conversation as well. Yeah, I completely agree. We haven't gotten very much Hurley and Kate. I actually did not mind their interactions. I didn't think I was going to love them. I actually did. And it might just be because I love Hurley so much, but I did not hate it.
01:02:01
Speaker
Oh, absolutely not. No, they've got some great interactions.
01:02:06
Speaker
And then Locke and Jack, of course, are a big part of this episode, and they have some great dialogue in one of the iconic lost scenes as Jack is trying to process why John behaved like he did with the smoke monster. Yeah.
01:02:20
Speaker
John says, I believe that I was being tested. I think that's why you and I don't see eye to- eye sometimes, Jack, because you're a man of science. Yeah. Jack says, yeah, what does that make you?
01:02:31
Speaker
John replies, me? I'm a man of faith. Do you really think all of this is an accident that we survived, that we crashed on this place, especially this place? We were brought here for a purpose.
01:02:42
Speaker
And Jack says, brought here? Who brought us here? John replies, the island. This is no ordinary place. You've seen that. The island chose you too, Jack. It's destiny.
01:02:53
Speaker
Jack then asks, did you talk to Boone about destiny, John? And John says, Boone was the sacrifice the island demanded. Woo-wee! Crazy conversation that ends with Jack saying he doesn't believe in destiny and John saying, yes, you do. You just don't know it yet.
01:03:09
Speaker
I mean, and think this goes down as one of the best Locke speeches in in the show. And I imagine it will come back a lot of times. i actually know it comes back a lot of times because I saw the title of episode one of season two.
01:03:22
Speaker
Of course you did, Netflixer. A man of faith versus a man of ah science or whatever it is. Science, yeah. So I'm imagining that's going to have a lot of callbacks, and i this was one of my favorite scenes from Exodus 3.
01:03:39
Speaker
Absolutely. Cracks top five of all of Exodus. Yeah, it was great.
01:03:48
Speaker
And then from that scene, we transition to Locke's airport flashback, where we see him at the airport gate in a wheelchair, and he's dealing with the humiliation of them having to carry him onto the plane.
01:04:01
Speaker
And this glimpse into his vulnerability really makes his on-island strength and resilience even more amazing. Yeah. It's such a different side of Locke, because we're so used to seeing him be like in power and be strong and like be such a leader. And it's like, he is so humili humiliated by, you know, like having to be carried on. And like, this is not the person he is in any way, shape or form.
01:04:29
Speaker
Oh my goodness. It's crazy. It's so crazy to see, but it's also so cool to see at the same time how like his character interacts with everything else and how he was before the plane.
01:04:42
Speaker
Yeah, for sure.
01:04:46
Speaker
And then back on island, we've got a couple of threads going on here. In our first thread, when Saeed and Charlie arrive on the beach where the black smoke is rising, there are no other people.
01:04:57
Speaker
Just pyre, I think is how you say burning the smoke. The sound of the baby crying alerts them that Rousseau is hiding nearby in the bushes. And she cries and tells them that she overheard them whispering, saying that they were coming for the child, coming for the boy. And she thought if she brought Aaron to them, they would give her Alex back.
01:05:18
Speaker
So she returns the baby to Charlie. Saeed and Charlie take Aaron back to the caves where Claire and Aaron are united ah reunited. And then Shannon seeks out and embraces Saeed. So a bit of an uplifting scene here, but not surprisingly,
01:05:34
Speaker
One of the Virgin Mary statues filled with heroin is in Charlie's backpack as he sits with Claire on the beach. It's the nail in the coffin for Charlie. I'll explain this a little bit more at the end, my frustration with all this.
01:05:48
Speaker
But sure I hate that Charlie got so much praise for that. When in reality, he did nothing. Saeed led them to the black smoke. Saeed patched up Charlie's head with gunpowder.
01:06:02
Speaker
Saeed is the one who talked to Danielle to get the baby back. Charlie did nothing. Nothing. Zero zip nada. I mean, he's getting all the praise. I hate that. I hate I that's one of my pet thieves, actually, is people that get credit for things that they didn't do.
01:06:18
Speaker
Sure. So.
01:06:23
Speaker
Makes sense. Hmm. That night on the raft, the radar sweep turns up a boat in the distance. They fire their single flare and the boat approaches.
01:06:34
Speaker
And the castaways are ecstatic on finding rescue. And the boat's captain initially seems friendly, asking them, what are y'all doing way out here? But suddenly he says, well, ain't that something?
01:06:45
Speaker
But the only the thing is, we're going to have to take the boy. And Michael's like, what'd you say? And we end up having a shootout as Sawyer pulls his gun because they're like, nope, you're not having him.
01:06:59
Speaker
Sawyer gets shot by one of the crewmen, falls into the water, and Jen immediately jumps into the water to try and save Sawyer. And then the strangers come aboard and overpower Michael and kidnap Walt.
01:07:10
Speaker
And as they sail off, one of the crewmen throws an explosive onto the raft, destroying it as Michael... I'm going to go ahead and say it, Nick. As Michael annoyingly yells... Walt, Walt, Walt.
01:07:26
Speaker
I don't know. How was that impression for you? No, I don't think that was a, I don't think, yeah, don't, I don't think Michael is annoying. So I'm just making another connection here.
01:07:37
Speaker
I'm just making another connection here. All right. That was the others. I'd say that's a pretty fair and safe connection. And Aaron was not the boy that they were after.
01:07:48
Speaker
Walt was the boy that they were after. That is also accurate, yeah. Walt was the boy, yep. Oh my goodness. And you're just making those connections as we chat right now, right? Yep.
01:08:02
Speaker
love it. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I was just thinking they were pirates.
01:08:14
Speaker
Right. Whoa. So there's some answers for you. Yeah, but there's also so many questions. What's going to happen to Michael, Jin, and Sawyer? Well, that's true.
01:08:26
Speaker
I mean, the boat blew up. They're probably all dead, right? and don't know. how are How would they get back?
01:08:35
Speaker
Good question. Oh my goodness. I maybe we'll find out in season two. Oh my God. I need to know what happens. Like I, I need to, I'm going have to wait for so long. And the only reason, the only way that I can like actually bear with, with not watching it for this long is me just forgetting it exists.
01:08:57
Speaker
That's literally the only way that I can, that's the only way that i can deal with it. Oh my goodness. Oh, that's crazy. i get that he had like powers. That's why like, that's why they wanted him.
01:09:11
Speaker
Dang. Very likely. Yeah.
01:09:15
Speaker
But how do they know that? How do they know that? he Yeah, that's an even better question. How do they know that he's the one that Oh my goodness. How did they know that he got on a raft and left? How do they know that?
01:09:28
Speaker
How did Walt know that they were going to come for him?
01:09:32
Speaker
Yeah. Where did they get that boat? It's crazy. Oh my goodness. So many questions. So many. Not enough answers.
01:09:42
Speaker
And then in our next scene, we transition to Jack, Kate, Locke, and Hurley who have arrived at the hatch. They carefully set up the dynamite. And as they are setting it up, we have an interesting convo with Jack and Kate where Jack says, if we survive tonight, we're going a Locke problem and I need to know you've got my back.
01:10:02
Speaker
So Kate agrees that she does. And then as they are about to set off the dynamite, Hurley's like, wait, hold on. Don't light that match. Cause he notices the numbers engraved on the action side are four, eight, 15, 16, 23, and And he continues to yell at them, terrified not to light it.
01:10:20
Speaker
But Locke hears him say it and then, you know, looks around nervously and then lights the fuse anyway. And so Hurley is trying to stamp out the fuse, repeating, the numbers are bad, the numbers are bad.
01:10:32
Speaker
But Jack tackles him to get him away from the hatch and the dynamite explodes. A few things that I want to say about this part is one, Hurley, why wouldn't you just explain the situation earlier? I don't know why why you're keeping so many secrets about these numbers.
01:10:46
Speaker
I feel like if you tell people about these numbers, then it would make a lot more sense. Also, Locke just wants to know what's in that hatch. That's the reason why he did that. He's just so curious. He doesn't care at this point.
01:10:59
Speaker
Yeah. I also want to know what was what Locke saw when he was, when act like the episode where Boone died, and he was off crying at the hatch. He saw the light go on. i where I really want to know more about that.
01:11:11
Speaker
And I also love Tate being like, and why did you take the dynamite after I drew the short stick? And then he said something like, everyone wants me to make to be a leader and make decisions until I make a decision.
01:11:26
Speaker
right loved that line I loved that line. That was my favorite line probably in Exodus 3. Oh, wow. yeah Yeah, that was a good one. so Yeah, that was a cool scene all in all.
01:11:42
Speaker
And then we have our final flashback. And this last flashback was so beautiful and moving as we get to see almost all of our survivors board the plane. We talked about it a little bit earlier. Also, there was some amazing music playing. They were actually playing the life and death theme, which is the same one that played when baby Aaron was born. And we were meeting him on the beach for the first time. And then Zaid and Shannon got back and Jack had to tell them about Boone's death.
01:12:09
Speaker
And so our survivors take their seats unaware of each other and the relationships that they will form. as they casually engage in some friendly smiles and gestures to each other.
01:12:20
Speaker
First, we get Claire, then Kate with the handcuffs covered up with her jacket. Then we get an angry Sawyer walking onto the plane. I mean, he he looked like he was ready to punch somebody. Saeed then takes a seat, and looks around anxiously as another passenger is kind of staring him down. Yeah.
01:12:39
Speaker
Looking at him funny. And then Saeed pulls out Nadia's picture and looks at it. And then Shannon is frantically searching for her asthma medicine, and Boone pulls the medicine out of his pocket and gives it to her, which causes Shannon to smile gratefully, which is a rarity for her. But we did get a Shannon smile.
01:13:00
Speaker
And then as a sweaty Hurley boards the plane, Walt looks up from his Game Boy for a minute, And smiles as Hurley gives him a thumbs up. That was awesome. Yeah. And then Hurley sits down and settles in with the headphones and the Discman that he's been using on the island.
01:13:18
Speaker
And the comic book, which Walt has been reading, that has the polar bear in it. Yep. And then Arst helps Claire put a bag in her
Character Development and Hatch Cliffhanger
01:13:27
Speaker
overhead compartment. So we got another Arst scene there, even after the the blow up.
01:13:31
Speaker
And then we see Jack and Locke nod at each other, which was cool before we transitioned back to our closing island scene here. i think that was just a wonderful sequence. Like, I literally think it was a fantastic sequence.
01:13:45
Speaker
Kind of um an homage to the beginning, the very first episode. Mm-hmm. Oh, my goodness. And to see, like, how much the characters have changed from that flight to now is crazy.
01:13:57
Speaker
Like, some of the character changes are absolutely insane. Oh, yeah. And that's in what? They've been on the island for like 45 to 55 days or somewhere in that range at this point, probably?
01:14:11
Speaker
Yeah. You know what I found myself saying while watching this ah this specific scene? What's that? I said the words, I miss Boone.
01:14:23
Speaker
Oh. i For the amount of times that I put him in the bottom three... I miss Boone. Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
01:14:35
Speaker
He's so much better than Shannon. Yeah.
01:14:40
Speaker
Who sucks. That is absolutely accurate. Yeah. Like, he sucks. Yeah, he had his moments. He he he had his good character moments, for sure. And he's the only really main character that died in season one. This is true.
01:14:55
Speaker
This is true. I mean, Arst doesn't count. Yeah, Arst is not a main character. The pilot was a big-name actor, Greg Grunberg, but... But he died within five seconds of being on screen.
01:15:12
Speaker
Yeah.
01:15:15
Speaker
Also, were you aware... This is just a complete side note, but were you aware that originally in the script the the character of Jack was going to be the one killed off in the cockpit? Really? Yeah.
01:15:27
Speaker
Yeah. I wonder how they would have done that. Yeah, I don't know. But they shifted gears on that and and made Jack a longer-term character, which I think everybody... That worked out pretty well.
01:15:39
Speaker
Yeah. Also, another fun fact, since we've had some Jack and Sawyer interactions in the Exodus finale, originally Jack auditioned for the part of Sawyer, and Sawyer auditioned for the part of Jack. Wow.
01:15:55
Speaker
That's cool. I think they were passed perfectly, though. i can't see so i can't see those roles being reversed at all. No. No, and what's so funny about that is, you know, Sawyer in that one episode, he is talking to Kate and he's like, yeah, you let me take over the beach. I can be the doctor and be the leader.
01:16:17
Speaker
Yeah. Remember that? So that's just kind of funny when you think about the actors themselves and how they almost played each other. yeah
01:16:28
Speaker
And then we finally reach our finale's climax, and it happens when Jack and Locke pull the blown lid off of the hatch. And after all the suspense and buildup, Jack and Locke are left staring into a deep, dark shaft and down a really long ladder with no idea of what lies below. So what's down there, Nick, and how long can you wait till you watch episode one of season two?
01:16:51
Speaker
I don't want to wait. I don't want to wait, but I'm going to. I'm literally just going to take it out of my mind. I'm going to throw it into a trash can, and I'm going to forget about it until we start recording for season two.
01:17:04
Speaker
That's my plan. Yeah, well, I mean, it's good to step away from something and you know take some time to to really so let it let it ah simmer a little bit. Let marinate. What you've seen so far.
01:17:17
Speaker
Yeah, marinate. That's what I was looking for. Not simmer in your heart. i don't think anyone ever says that. No, but it's okay. Yeah.
01:17:28
Speaker
Yeah, I mean... i was a little upset with the hatch reveal. I thought we would get a little bit more than just a ladder after, you know, for the finale. That's what I think.
01:17:44
Speaker
I was a little upset. and i have to say that I don't remember what my... visceral response was to this episode but i can imagine that i was probably also disappointed the first time that i watched it yeah just because you're left on a cliffhanger right right but what a great three-part finale when you look at it as a whole so good so much emotion and great dialogue and and really there's a lot of lot of questions answered there were a lot of new questions raised right but
01:18:17
Speaker
You know, for me, even just finding out, I remember the first time watching it, like the smoke monster stuff was amazing. Yeah. And just finding out a little bit more about that and and that whole scene where Locke almost gets pulled in.
01:18:30
Speaker
So good. Amazing.
Most Loved and Hated Characters Discussion
01:18:35
Speaker
Awesome. Well, it's time for our most loved and most hated segment. And this is the part of our podcast where we talk about who our most loved characters are or who's trending up. And then we talk about our most hated or who's trending down. So obviously this one is going to be tougher because we've got a three-part episode. It was almost two hours of total content.
01:18:57
Speaker
Honestly, they're on the most hated side, there were not a lot of characters that could really even fit that mold, but there's a lot that could be in the most loved. So naturally, Nick, I always let you go first and thankfully so this time because I need some time to think through my thoughts here.
01:19:13
Speaker
going to start with most loved because think that's a little bit more crazy. I lied. i'm going to start with most hated. In my bottom slot, my number three, i have Shannon.
01:19:27
Speaker
as my most hated. Okay. I think that she has no redeeming qualities except being the worst. Like, that's literally her only quality, is being the worst person ever.
01:19:39
Speaker
I don't think that's a redeeming quality, though. In the flashbacks, in the on the island with Saeed, just in general, she gets the dog, too, and she's a horrible dog owner.
01:19:50
Speaker
Like, it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse for her. Oh, my God. And not to mention she's still mourning Boone, who is, you know, like, who you were in love with, and he's your stepbrother, and that's gross.
01:20:05
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. So, you know, like, Shannon Bottom. Second bottom slot is actually Arst. Okay, yeah. The reason he's so far down there is because, well, one, I feel like it was hard to put people down there.
01:20:21
Speaker
It was hard to put people down there. But I feel like he didn't have very many moments. And his one moment where he's talking about the dynamite and he dies, he's so annoying.
01:20:34
Speaker
He's like, you know no, no, no'll stay over there. Stay over there. And ushering people away. like I thought it was so annoying. And also the whole part where he's like, oh, I want i want to come on this journey with you. And then Russo says something like, oh, yeah, this is where this happened. He's like, oh, I'm leaving. And then he gets to you he leads the monster straight to them.
01:20:52
Speaker
You know? Right. Like, he didn't do anything good. Like, the only thing he did before he died was teach them how to take the dynamite and, you know, without them dying. You know? Yeah.
01:21:05
Speaker
We didn't even touch on the scene with he and Hurley sitting outside of the Black Rock where he was getting onto Hurley. He was like, you know, there were 40 of us that crashed on this plane and survived.
01:21:17
Speaker
And you guys think that you're like this... I've seen it in high school. It's a click. Yeah, no, he's stupid. Yeah. He was just a frustrating character for me. My third most hated is going to Charlie.
01:21:29
Speaker
I knew you were going with Charlie there. Yeah, that was kind of obvious. Charlie has been on my bad side for a while. Yeah. I thought the only thing he did this episode was be way too emotional, take credit for Saeed's actions, and just be annoying.
01:21:46
Speaker
And then find heroin. Yeah, exactly. That was that the only things he did. Like, like oh, I saved your baby. Punching Saeed in the face. Like, going into the trap.
01:21:57
Speaker
Like, when Saeed told him not to. You know, like, just so many stupid moments with Charlie. And I i really liked him after the moth. And I think the whole heroine thing, and this is why I was so mad about it, ruined everything about the moth.
01:22:14
Speaker
It ruined all of his character growth during the moth. And I'm so upset. Interesting. See, for me, that doesn't ruin the moth at all, though, because it's such a good episode. Well, no, no, no. It doesn't ruin the episode. Let me rephrase. it It doesn't ruin the episode. ruins Charlie for you.
01:22:29
Speaker
Yeah, it ruins Charlie for me, and also ruins the whole point of the moth. I still think it's a great episode, because obviously I'm i'm judging them individually, and I'm not judging the moth based off right this part.
01:22:39
Speaker
Right. sure It makes the whole... It basically makes the whole plot of the moth useless. Because the whole bit is like, oh, Charlie's getting off of his addiction and he's, you know, like, actually growing as a person and yada, yada, yada. And it's just, boom, relapse.
01:22:56
Speaker
Like, all that hard work, all everything from that episode, gone.
01:23:03
Speaker
To be fair, yes we have not seen him... Yeah, he hasn't done it yet. And... I cannot speak from experience, but I know that a lot of times when people are on drugs, they go through ups and downs and relapses before they finally get clean permanently.
01:23:22
Speaker
so Yes, this is true. I get where you're coming from, but don't give up on Charlie yet. He's in a very bad spot for me right now. He is, i agree.
01:23:36
Speaker
All right, well what about those most loved? My most loved... I'm going to go um my least loved out of the I'm going three, two, one here because I think that's going to spice things up and keep things and things interesting.
01:23:48
Speaker
At my number three spot, these these honestly, all three of these could be very interchangeable. My number three is Sawyer is my number three. Yeah.
01:24:00
Speaker
Okay. Great character. I love him defending everyone with the gun at the very end. I'm in literal shambles waiting for to know if he dies or not. If if Sawyer dies, i am going to lose my mind because I am just starting to like his character, and I think he has the best character growth in the entire show.
01:24:22
Speaker
Right. He is 100% on that list. In the number two spot, I gotta put the goat of this episode, Saeed. Okay. yeah he was He was kind of doing all the things. he was While Jack was not being a leader, Saeed was being a leader, and he did it um fantastically.
01:24:41
Speaker
He's the reason Claire got her baby back. His method of patching up Charlie's head is amazing. Yeah. I loved that. I thought that was really cool. So I thought Saeed was amazing this episode.
01:24:55
Speaker
Do you want to take a guess about who my number one is? Because I really i really don't think you'll ever guess this in a million years. Um, Kate. No, but that's ah that's actually a good guess. When I said you would never guess it in a million years, that's a good guess.
01:25:10
Speaker
My number one spot for the Exodus episodes are is Jyn.
01:25:16
Speaker
Really? Okay. Which might be very surprising. That is very surprising, and not because he wasn't great, but there's just so many great characters, a and I know how much you love Hurley and Locke, so...
01:25:29
Speaker
um Right? You were expecting a Hurley or Locke in that number one spot. I was, because I almost said Locke, but then I jokingly said Kate. So, I feel like Locke didn't do anything...
01:25:41
Speaker
that I loved in the episodes. Like he was, he was good, but he didn't do anything that I was like, okay, this is what makes me that like, he I didn't get any, this is why I love Locke from, from this. Usually he's an easy one for me, but I feel like I didn't get that from him.
01:25:57
Speaker
Hurley was almost up there, but I feel like, again, we just didn't get enough Hurley. Like we, like, that's what I always have with Hurley. That's my only problem with, with the way that they wrote Hurley is I always want more of him and I never can get it.
01:26:10
Speaker
Mm-hmm. ah So the reason I put Jin up there is because i think he is like im on Sawyer is obviously, I said, the best best growth, but I think Jin is also the best, like, but in terms of uncovering a story, uncovering Jin's story in learning his character,
01:26:32
Speaker
with all of his background with Mr. Pike and like his learning English and his relationship with Michael and, you know, like how he steps, how he jumps in to go save Sawyer or him like shushing everybody when the, when the pirates were like, I don't know.
01:26:48
Speaker
I felt like he was just, I feel like he was such a strong character. I don't know why I loved him so much, but I, I just did. And I, I can't really explain it. I just loved his character and I thought it was amazing. So I had to put him. in No, i mean, that's that's completely fair. Yeah. he He's great.
01:27:06
Speaker
I'll start with most hated like you did. I'm, I'm pretty much aligned with you on most hated. Absolutely. Shannon. Um, the flashback alone, like put her in the bottom three a again this week.
01:27:19
Speaker
arst Yeah. He's super annoying. I will say he's a, he's an interesting character. yeah And he actually is a huge fan favorite. Just another fun fact. Like people went, yeah, people went crazy over his character.
01:27:34
Speaker
They loved him. Interesting.
01:27:38
Speaker
I think for me, I don't know. I'm struggling over putting Charlie in my bottom three. and understand where you're coming from on it.
01:27:48
Speaker
i guess i could I guess I could get there and at least put him in as a tie. i also think Rousseau would be towards my bottom just because she took baby Aaron. How could you not have a baby snatcher in your bottom three, right?
01:28:01
Speaker
I completely agree with you there. We also found out, you know, the the scratches on her arms were from Claire. So what does that mean? Like, what's her supposed end game?
01:28:12
Speaker
Obviously, she did lead them to the Black Rock, which was a little bit redeeming, but there was a lot of other stuff that happened. so So those would be my most hated, most loved.
01:28:25
Speaker
A lot of my most loved are in package deals again this week. I think that... Jack and Locke, to me, are both... they They just had such great dialogue in these episodes, and they are so instrumental to the story of Lost and The Hatch, and going into season two, even if this was my first time watching it, I would sense that there's probably going to be a lot more of the Man of Science, Man of Faith, and the Jack-Locke debates.
01:28:55
Speaker
Right. but Which I love. I'm very excited. I'm with you, like... Oh yeah, for sure. i also Jin and Son. I think that the package deal of them, like that was such an emotional moment where right they you know like literally kissed and made up and told each other they had been acting foolish.
01:29:18
Speaker
That was awesome. And then Jin had some amazing moments you know aside from that on the raft as well, like you mentioned, and the watch to Michael. That was cool. right And then... From there, I also loved Saeed. I thought Saeed was terrific.
01:29:33
Speaker
And I thought Sawyer was terrific. So I think those would be, for me, all of my most loved. And I would have to kind of go outside of the ah three structure again for this episode. So I'm just constantly breaking down barriers here.
01:29:48
Speaker
Yeah.
01:29:51
Speaker
Kate's an honorable mention because she was great these episodes too. Yeah. And Hurley. Well, Hurley. And I completely forgot about Hurley. So yeah, to hit the Kate and Hurley combo. Yeah.
01:30:02
Speaker
Like, both of them. Yeah, it was tough.
01:30:07
Speaker
Yeah, I'm excited to do our Season 1 recap and talk about our most loved, most hated for the entire season. And I will yeah land on three of each for that one, for sure. Yeah.
Speculations for Next Season and Listener Gratitude
01:30:20
Speaker
All right, bud. Theories and predictions. This is a part of our show where... Ultimately, you give us a what your theories are, or what your predictions for what's going to happen next. And we also just talk about theories that have been wrapped up. So what you got for us on this episode?
01:30:36
Speaker
I don't really have much theories. I think a lot of the questions that we got asked, I don't have any clue of anything.
01:30:48
Speaker
I'm curious what they're going to do to Walt. I have no idea what they're to to Walt. I'm also really curious to see what's going to happen to Sawyer, Jen, and Michael and how they get back to the island or if they just die.
01:31:02
Speaker
So I really don't know. I don't have much, but I agree with you. I think there is going to be, ah i think next season will be very centered around the hatch, even more so than it has been this season.
01:31:15
Speaker
And i think we will get a lot of Jack and Locke argument.
01:31:22
Speaker
I hope so, because I think that'll make for some good TV. Yeah.
01:31:28
Speaker
Awesome. Well, man, what an awesome season. i know we're going to do our recap episode, but thank you listeners so much for tuning in to the Lost With My Uncle podcast. When we do our season one recap, I promise you we'll give you as many top five lists as you can handle.
01:31:42
Speaker
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01:31:55
Speaker
We'll see you next time.
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