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Outlaws Recap
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Sawyer’s past catches up to him in this gripping episode, revealing a devastating secret that haunts his every move. Our millennial uncle examines how this story added layers to Sawyer’s character, while Nick pieces together how his past influences his present actions. We also explore the survivors’ growing bonds and Sawyer’s first steps toward redemption.
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Transcript
00:00:21
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Terrific.
Introduction to the Podcast
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You're listening to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. I'm Aaron DS and I'll be rewatching Lost along with my nephew Nick who will be watching it for the very first time.
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So come along with us and enjoy the journey.
00:00:42
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Let's get lost. let's get lost
00:00:49
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Hello and welcome back to The Lost With My Uncle, a Lost Rewatch and First Timers podcast.
Focus on 'Outlaws' Episode
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We are your 20th anniversary deep dive into every episode of Lost.
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I'm Aaron DS, your millennial co-host here to rewatch and dissect Lost. Joined as always by my Gen Z nephew, Nick, who is watching the show for the very first time.
00:01:14
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And today we're diving into Season 1, Episode 16, which is called Outlaws. This episode delves deep into Sawyer's past and his relentless quest for vengeance both on and off the island.
00:01:27
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Yeah, it was a good episode. actually really enjoyed it. loved everything with the boar, and I loved the flashback. I think the flashbacks... I said last episode how disappointed I was with the flashbacks. It's quite the contrary on this one. I think the flashbacks in this episode were actually some of the best that we've gotten in a really, really, really long time.
00:01:49
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So, yeah. Hundo P, yeah, I'm excited. Yeah. Awesome. Before we jump in, remember to send us your theories and feedback to lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com.
00:02:02
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That's lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you. Without further ado, let's get lost. Let's do it.
Sawyer's Childhood Trauma
00:02:13
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So we actually start this episode off with a flashback. Full trigger warning. This is a very intense episode. And just wanted to call that out to some listeners.
00:02:27
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So as a child, Sawyer is placed under his bed by his mother. and I believe we got an eye scene on this one as well, right? Yes, I believe Our eye counter. Yeah.
00:02:38
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Okay. She tells him not to come out from under the bed no matter what. And he lays there and hears a gunshot from outside the room. There's also yelling. The door opens and a man enters.
00:02:52
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And Sawyer's father sits on the bed and shoots himself, and we see him fall sideways. So this is the trauma that has really shaped Sawyer's life, Nick.
00:03:04
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I mean, what an opening. Yeah. I mean, i i i I was expecting it to be a great episode just off of that alone. And also we talked about recently how complex of a character Sawyer was.
00:03:20
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And, you know, with all that, yes he's a great character. And I think this episode just adds so much to it. Yeah, crazy opening scene. And like you said, I knew from the get go on this one that this was going to be a pretty wild episode.
00:03:37
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yeah
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And then in our first on-island scene, back in the present, we flip to Sawyer being rudely awakened by a boar that is rummaging through his tent. The boar not only trashes his belongings, but also runs off with his tarp that he's using for his tent.
00:03:56
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But I think the most intriguing part of this for me is as Sawyer is chasing the boar into the jungle in the dark of the night, he hears the same whispers that Haunt Rousseau and that Saeed has heard and encountered on his jungle journey earlier on.
00:04:13
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And among the whispers, we can slightly make out the faint words, it'll come back around. First of all, the boar. Let's talk about the boar. yeah I love the boar as a whole. I think it was hilarious.
00:04:27
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And I think the way they introduced it was also kind of and a great. um Because you they make it you they make you think that it's like, oh, it's a one-time thing, and then it becomes kind of like a main plot point of the episode. And I also really do love John Locke's metaphor of the boar, in a way.
00:04:43
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Oh, yeah. I thought that was super duper clever. and the story he tells is fantastic, but I want to talk about that more when we actually get there. Sure. I think the tarp is also like, like he's he's doing it for the tarp, quote, quote.
00:04:57
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But then he's also doing it just to kill the boar. Like, he's just he just really angry at the boar. And I think... He's taking out some of his feelings that he's had in the past on getting revenge, you know? And it ties in into him getting revenge on the real Sawyer, since Sawyer isn't technically his name.
00:05:17
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Right. We don't know his actual name. I don't know if—I hope we learn it, but I don't—I can't imagine him as not Sawyer. So ah Sawyer is—like, he's Sawyer.
00:05:28
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He's Sawyer my head. Right. Right. Do you want me to tell you if we find out or if we don't find out?
Sawyer and Saeed's Relationship
00:05:35
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No, I don't. I don't want to know. I want to keep it a surprise.
00:05:39
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All right. That's fair. We are a spoiler-free podcast, so. Yeah. It'll come back around. I kind of just thought that was, like, I thought that was just the, the like, show putting something in there, like, for them to say.
00:05:55
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And then it said it a second time, like later in the episode. And I was like, okay, this has to mean something. But when when like we do find out what it means, it's awesome. it's i feel like this I feel like this episode had a lot of a lot of yeah ah drop jaw moments for me. For me specifically.
00:06:15
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um The mc beginning scene being one of them. because I was not expecting that opening scene. And I was also not expecting a lot of things from this episode, in all honesty.
00:06:26
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So yeah yeah i'm I'm very excited to see um where sawyer were the second part of Sawyer's story goes. For sure. And I definitely want to talk more about the It'll Come Back Around when we get later in the episode.
00:06:44
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yeah
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And then in our next on-island scene, Saeed approaches Sawyer, who is trying to clean up the aftermath of the boar with his tent. There's stuff laying everywhere. And Saeed says, I thought the boar had vacated this area.
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And Sawyer snaps back, well, genius, I think you got some bad info. And after hearing how the boar ran off into the jungle with Sawyer's tent, Saeed jokes, perhaps he wanted to go camping.
00:07:11
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And Sawyer quips back, and he's like, are having fun? And Sawyer's like, yes, actually, I am. so that scene was pretty funny. And as Sawyer is leaving, though, Sawyer calls out and says, hey, Sawyer.
00:07:24
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And he starts to ask him about the whispers that he heard in the jungle, hoping to find some answers about what he had heard. And when he asked Sawyer what he heard, Sawyer responds with, why, did you hear something?
00:07:39
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And Sawyer, of course, denies it and walks off as he says, nah I don't hear anything. And then he plods off angrily with that Sawyer look on his face. There's two things that i that I want to mainly say about this episode.
00:07:52
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One is the new dynamic between Saeed and Sawyer. I'm kind of loving it. Yeah. Yeah. the the dynamic of like they're they kind of hate each other but they don't because like they they went from like so much hatred in the first like first episode even just like the pilot episodes and then also even the sawyer focused episode where they're or was that the yeah that was the sawyer focused episode where they're torturing where saeed is torturing him confidence man even like that was you know like they hate each other and then as soon Saeed got back it was like there it was like a complete shift and they're like kind of friends again
00:08:34
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I remember when we were talking about Saeed maybe accusing Sawyer of hitting him in the head, which we still don't know who hit Saeed in the head. That could have been Ethan. That could have been Rousseau.
00:08:46
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actually could have been anyone. Wow, we still have a lot to learn. Okay. Yes, we
Sawyer's Growth and Vulnerabilities
00:08:50
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do. wow that was just kind of like ah like a like a wake-up call. like There's still a lot of unanswered questions. Oh, yeah. Anyway, was the first thing, because love the new dynamic. The second thing is Sawyer actually asking, like, having the courage to say, like, what did you hear, you know? Like, like what's going on? I feel like that's out of, almost out of his character, since he's so, like, you know, like, I'm Sawyer. fuck yeah. yeah
00:09:16
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You're right. Right. So, I feel like it was very interesting to see that. I actually do have one more thing that I want to say. Also, this is the first time that Sawyer does this, because he does it later in the episode, where he just, where where he's about to get to something, and then he just, like, decides, like, you know what?
00:09:34
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Never mind. And made me so mad at the end of the episode. Mm-hmm. what he did with Jack, he does it here, where he's like, no, I didn't hear anything, and he does it again at the end, and it's like, ugh, it's so annoying. think he did the Kate several episodes ago.
00:09:49
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Exactly. So, I mean, it's i it's it's very in typical Sawyer fashion, but it's kind of annoying. Yeah.
00:10:01
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For sure. and then in our next flashback, adult Sawyer enters a hotel room with a woman, They kiss, but before they can continue, a man reveals himself from the shadows, and Sawyer recognizes him as a guy named Hibs and very quickly ushers the woman out of the room.
00:10:23
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And he grabs Hibs and throws him against the wall, threatening him and saying, I told you I'd kill you if I ever saw you again. And apparently there's a lot of history there between the two. Hibbs offers Sawyer a document to make them even for the Tampa job. And Sawyer's like, how do you think we could ever be even for the Tampa job? So there's another mystery introduced that we need to figure out what the Tampa job was.
00:10:47
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a Hibbs then explains that he has found the real Mr. Sawyer, the man who calmed Sawyer's parents and caused his father to shoot his mother and then himself. Hibbs tells him the man now named Frank Duckett is in Australia.
00:11:02
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first of all spoiler alert Hibbs is my bottom is my most hated for this week or this episode i i hate you Hibbs I hate you he's so annoying and then also he's like oh yeah for the Tampa job what's the Tampa job right Do we ever learn what the 10 job is? I hope so. ah Yeah, I'm really, really, really invested into in seeing what that's all about.
00:11:30
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um I'm thinking i I should probably get like a notebook. I should get like a notebook and write down like under... I think so. We're going to need like a spreadsheet or yeah you might even need a customer relationship management system like Salesforce or something to track all this. Yeah, seriously.
00:11:46
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Like, write down write down everyone's names, and then, like, like write down, the questions or theories I have about people. Yeah. on On those to make sure, you know, keep track everything. Like, because right now I'm saying what's the Tampa job, but I'm probably going to forget what the Tampa job is by the next time we have a Sawyer episode, because it's going to be in, like, probably by season two will be the next one. Right.
00:12:11
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So. Yeah, you need to do that. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, I also do love that Sawyer kind of, like, pushes him against the wall and is like, I'll kill you. And the first, one of the first things we hear him say is you're not the killing type.
00:12:28
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a It's such a perfect setup for this whole episode. It's perfect. i I love it.
00:12:39
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I feel like it does such a great job of, like, encapsulating, that's word, encapsulating everything about Sawyer's character right now. Yeah, for sure.
00:12:51
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And then adds a little bit of intrigue later as well. Right.
00:12:59
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And then back on Island, Kate returns the gun to Jack that she had borrowed. And Jack mentions there is just one gun left to get back and Sawyer has it. And Kate is like, well, I can get it from him.
00:13:13
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And Jack's like, yeah, but what are going have to give to get that gun from Sawyer? Kind of that whole dynamic and triangle that we've been dealing with with Jack and Kate and Sawyer.
Complex Relationships and Jealousies
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Right.
00:13:25
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Jack's basically, you know, little bit of the jealous type and he's like yeah I don't want to last time you had to kiss Sawyer to get what you wanted from him so let's not go down that path again yeah also i want to say they've known each other but they've they've been there for like two months and they were already chatting it up on like day one yeah like it's crazy are are you saying there's been not enough progress not enough progress yeah
00:13:57
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they They're just like the like, I don't know, i feel like they're jumping into something there. Also, I actually really enjoyed Kate this episode. i I feel like sometimes I'm not very happy with her. I enjoyed her this episode. I thought she was great.
00:14:11
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Yeah. I think the reason why I like her a lot more in this episode is because she was a little more truthful. was that Especially with the I never thing that Sawyer brings up. I think seeing Kate be truthful and not lie, and also not be like, Jack, Jack, Jack, jack jack is like very good for her character, and I love it.
00:14:33
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Yeah.
00:14:36
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And then meanwhile at the caves, Claire tells Charlie that she has started to remember things through dreams about him, but her attempts to reach out to him don't seem to work as she offers to go for a walk with him and Charlie just kind of brushes her off and says, nah, I'm good.
00:14:53
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I don't know. I, this, this again brings me back to like, not me, not loving Charlie, you know, like, Just go on the walk. Right. You know, you you want to be better. you want to be, like, helpful. You want to be Claire's friend.
00:15:10
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You just told her she remembers. to And obviously, I get Charlie's going through something, right? Yeah. just killed someone. That's a big burden to carry. I'm not saying it's not. But you chose to do it, and you actually doubled down on it and said that you would do it again. Mm-hmm.
00:15:24
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And um i do like the whole conversation that he has with Saeed in this episode. I think it's very good for character growth, especially for Charlie. Absolutely.
00:15:35
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Something I forgot to mention about Jack and Kate. This could be me completely reading into things and seeing something that I maybe just looked into.
00:15:46
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It looked like Kate was eyeing very heavily where Jack stored the guns. Oh.
00:15:53
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I don't know if that's just like a me thing, but considering how adamant she was on using the guns all the time and Jack was like, no, no, no, no. no I find it interesting that, you know, she seems so interested.
00:16:10
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But then again, that could be me reading into things. It may be or it may not be. That might be a really good observation. It's true.
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And then Sawyer is tracking the boar in the jungle when he once again hears whispers and again hears, it'll come back around. The boar then appears behind him, charging straight ahead Sawyer tries to run, but the boar knocks him to the ground right into the mud. And then in the next scene, back at Sawyer's tent or what's remaining of his tent, Kate is enjoying herself as Sawyer tells her about what has happened.
00:16:47
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you know, very animatedly. Sawyer is super convinced that this boar is literally harassing him and out to get him, and so he grabs his gun to chase after and take revenge.
00:17:00
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I mean, I'm just gonna go back. I don't really have much to say about this part. The only thing I have to say is, I just love the boar metaphor. Like, I don't even understand who the boar would represent in Sawyer's life.
00:17:12
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Maybe not yet. Or maybe I do. And I just haven't made the connection yet. think you do But I just love the thought that it's not actually just a boar, but it's someone in a boar's body kind of trying to talk to Sawyer.
00:17:24
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i love that whole concept. I think it's fantastic. Yeah, it is fantastic. I think you do know who the correlation there is, and we can talk more about it at the end of the episode of who I think they were trying to say it was. Okay.
00:17:39
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Yeah. Okay. And then in our third flashback, arriving in Australia, Sawyer heads out to the harbor to acquire a gun from one of Hib's contacts.
00:17:51
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The man warned Sawyer that you never know yourself until you point a gun at a man, and if he finds that he is not the killing type, there is no refund. So this was just a short little flashback here, not a lot going on.
00:18:04
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It was such a good flashback, though. It was. I feel like it was it was so important, and I loved the guy, too. He's like, I've been in this job a while, I know you're not just trying to, like, knock him out, you're trying to kill him. Mm-hmm.
00:18:17
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but He's like, I understand that. just you know And he kind of gave him the warning. And it's also just like really good foreshadowing to what happens at the end of the episode and all that shenanigans.
00:18:28
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Absolutely.
00:18:31
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And then back on Island, we get our chunkiest section of the episode where there's a lot going on. um So we'll kind of go through this in sequence. a lot of jumping around here. Start with Charlie and Hurley who are dragging Ethan's body to an area where he can be buried.
00:18:47
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And I believe it's a similar area to that wide open area out there where they played golf and kind of looked like the same terrain and vicinity there. And Hurley somewhat jokes and basically says, I've seen how this ends with the body coming back to life and I'm bigger. So I cramp easily.
00:19:04
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If I run, he'll get me first. And Hurley asks Charlie if he's all right because he's he's not really very responsive. He's not joking around, but he doesn't respond.
Charlie's Potential PTSD
00:19:14
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And so that's what leads Hurley to head for Saeed's tent, telling Saeed that he thinks Charlie might be suffering from PTSD, like you had talked about, and how he had recently shot and killed Ethan.
00:19:27
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So, first of all, I love Hurley. I love his... ah ah I'm bigger, so I'll get cramps faster. I love that whole bit. Second of all, possible theory coming up.
00:19:38
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Alright, let's hear it I think it is a possibility that Ethan does rise from the dead. Uh-oh. i was I was thinking that when that when they killed him first, I thought like it could be a possibility. I was like, there's no way he's dead.
00:19:57
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There's no way that, what, 15 episodes in, he's dead? i don't know I don't know. I don't really believe it.
00:20:08
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We're moving down the horror vein here. We're going towards Pet Sematary Night Living Dead or... Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I was already thinking, it and then Hurley said it out loud in this episode, and I was like, okay, hold the phone.
00:20:21
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What's going on? Because if it... I would i would be all for it. And it would make sense because the island is magical or mystical or whatever the word I'm trying to look for is. Those are all words. Paranormal.
00:20:33
Speaker
Yeah. Um... You would be excited about that, though? he You would think that was alright? I would definitely be excited about that. i would 100% be excited about that. i I put Ethan as my most hated last episode, but and truth be told, i really do love every time he's on screen. Right.
00:20:53
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And that's just because he's such a good antagonist. And he's so creepy. And it's so, like, the creepiness that he has is conveyed so well in the show.
00:21:04
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So it's like, i kind of have to love it. So I don't hate Ethan, and I don't hate the the idea of Ethan coming back.
00:21:13
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Gotcha. Well, we'll see. The island made a cripple walk. So who knows?
00:21:23
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And then Kate catches up with Sawyer in the jungle and kind of highlighting his complete inability to track the boar. So she offers to help him in return for carte blanche or essentially a blank check. If she wants anything from his stash in the future, she will get it. No questions asked.
00:21:42
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And Sawyer reluctantly agrees. And as night falls, the two make camp, and Sawyer offers Kate some liquor from the plane if she will play a game of I never with him.
00:21:52
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So this is what you had referenced earlier. Right. The two then ask each other a number of questions, revealing a lot of very sensitive facts, such as that Kate was once married,
00:22:03
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And what starts as a friendly game gets more intense as both Kate and Sawyer start prodding deeply with more hurtful topics. And the game ends dramatically as both drink when the topic of I never killed a man comes up, revealing that they both have.
00:22:19
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And Sawyer says, well, looks like we've got something in common after all. Oh my goodness. I understand the the Jack and Kate dynamic, but after seeing that, it's hard to not want Sawyer and Kate to work.
00:22:35
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Yeah. You know, like, I don't know if that's crazy to say, but they are, like, perfect for each other. They seem to be, yeah. Yeah, and then Kate was married. Bombshell.
00:22:46
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What? Yeah.
Sawyer's Internal Conflict
00:22:48
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Maybe that's who she killed. Maybe. and I know that... that so I know Sawyer killed man. I knew that. and i i knew that.
00:22:59
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Hate killing a man i wasn't sure of. know she had shot people before, but not ever killed. Right.
00:23:10
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And then during the night, Sawyer dreams of his childhood briefly and hiding under the bed, but instead of seeing his father in the room, he sees the boar and he hears it'll come back around once again.
00:23:21
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So I think that's, what, the third time he's heard that. Yeah, so that makes me think that the boar is supposed to be his father. Or do you think it's supposed to be someone else? hi I don't know. i think it's supposed to be Frank Duckett from the shrimp stand.
00:23:39
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that's That's fair. That's also fair. I kind of like that idea better. Like, that's what that's what I thought, but I could be wrong. I think it's open for some interpretation. Yeah.
00:23:54
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And then the next day, which is actually when Sawyer wakes up from this dream, Kate is waking him up saying, you're shaking. Are you all right? And they realize that the camp has once again been attacked by the boar, but that it only sought out and destroyed Sawyer's items and left Kate's untouched.
00:24:13
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And they hear a stirring in the branches. Sawyer pulls his gun, cocks it, and Locke comes strolling out of the jungle with a piece of fruit in his mouth again. Kind of a callback to the early episode where he smiled over at Kate and had the orange in his mouth, the full orange.
00:24:30
Speaker
And Locke says he was looking for plane wreckage and thought he would just come and say hello. And they tell him about the recent events with the boar, including how it peed on Sawyer's shirt and that Sawyer is convinced that the thing has it out for me.
00:24:44
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And this is where Locke tells that story that you referenced about a dog that appeared to his foster mother after her daughter died. Pet stayed up with her, sleeping on the daughter's bed every night until his mother died. And Kate asks whether he thought it was his sister. And Locke says, no, that would just be silly, but my mother sure thought it was.
00:25:05
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Indicating that what mattered was his mother's belief in it. And you can tell that this talk or story really resonated with Sawyer just given the look in his eyes. Yeah.
00:25:16
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I love this. This whole metaphor, this whole analogy, and know I've said it multiple times in this episode, but I i loved it so much. I thought it was great. And i also loved Locke's response even better, where he says, no, that's not the truth.
00:25:33
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I don't think that, but my mom did, that's what's important. And so, you know, so and it creates this kind of idea with the boar, like, You can think that the boar is Frank, but then you can also think like, well, it's Sawyer is going to think that the boar is Frank.
00:25:55
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And then that's helping Sawyer. So you can kind of think both ways and I love it. Right. Yeah. It makes me love Locke's character and Sawyer's character even more. Absolutely.
00:26:07
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Very cool story and just tied into the thread of the episode so well.
00:26:14
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And then back in Australia for our next flashback, Sawyer tracks down Frank Duckett at a shrimp stand where he's working. And after ordering the shrimp with the hot sauce, he loads his gun and has a perfect opportunity to kill Duckett.
00:26:30
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But after engaging in conversation with the man, Sawyer finds he can't go through with the plan. And Frank turns around as he's talking to Sawyer about America and sees no one, but here's a car driving away. And what a powerful scene this was, is we kind of see Sawyer struggling with what he feels the need to do versus what he can actually do. And it's really what's driven him his whole life.
00:26:55
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The first time watched, I mean, I'm saying like I've watched it multiple times, yeah but when I watched this the first time, again, only watched it once, but now thinking about it now, I have a different view on it. Gotcha. Gotcha.
00:27:08
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I think the first time i thought about it, and the first time I'm watching it, thinking that he's the guy that killed Sawyer's, i like, or the guy that basically is responsible for Sawyer's parents' death, right?
00:27:27
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Thinking that he's that character, and the interaction he has with Sawyer, you're like, oh, well, this is weird. It's kind of weird. It's unsettling. Sure.
00:27:39
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And it's also kind of like, um don't want say annoying, but the the guy is like, oh yeah, I got a special deal for Americans. And, you know, he's kind of like giving this list little allusions to him being, you know, this guy.
00:27:57
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But then once you think about the whole interaction that he was having, and you realize that he was just like a regular dude, you were like you realize, well, he was just being nice. Right.
00:28:08
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And it's just really weird that context can completely influence that scene, even though they're in the exact same scene, but you think that he's a completely different guy.
00:28:21
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Absolutely, yeah.
00:28:26
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And then here we go, Nick. We roll right into our next flashback scene where Sawyer has gone to a bar, is drinking shot after shot, and saying, another, another.
Surprise Twist with Christian
00:28:35
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And he meets a man who turns out to be Jack's father, Christian Shepard.
00:28:41
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Jaw floored? yeah I was going to say, after picking my jaw up off the floor. Yeah. i mean what? What?
00:28:53
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The guy is missing, right, somewhere in Australia, and he stumbles into soil. Yep. Yep. This is the second time we've seen Sawyer in a scene with another character because we saw him when Boone was at the police station.
00:29:08
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Yes, I was going to say that. I was going to say, what if the Tampa job or maybe him killing Frank got him brought into the police officer or or into the police office when Boone was there?
00:29:21
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I can't imagine it would be for the Tampa job. I imagine it's probably for killing Frank. Yeah. But seriously, it's like such a connection. It's weird how everything is like linked up.
00:29:34
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Yeah, it really is. and And this one is just, this one's insane. Like this is one of my favorite flashback scenes in all Lost. And it absolutely blew my mind the first time I watched it. And even on subsequent subsequent rewatches, just the way that it shows the connectedness of everything in life and how small of a world it is. And yeah are you familiar with the the six degrees of separation?
00:30:01
Speaker
No. Well, look that up after the show. I'm not going to spend too much time on it, but it basically talks about how connected we all are in life. and okay And all I can say on this scene is just amazing writing by the writers of Lost.
00:30:14
Speaker
But yeah in the scene, the the two chats and Christian mentions his trademark saying, that's why the Red Sox will never win the World Series. And he also talks about his son who hates him that Christian is is more proud of him than his son will ever know. And he says, he admits that he's one phone call away and could fix everything, but he's too weak to do it.
00:30:39
Speaker
And Sawyer talks about how his business in Australia would ease his suffering. And so Christian convinces him that he must do it. So again, what a crazy thread for the story of Lost where when we talk about earlier how Hibbs tells Sawyer that you're not that kind of person.
00:31:00
Speaker
you know You're not a killer. And when we find out that Christian Shepard is the one who talked him into doing it after he had talked himself back. Crazy. Actually crazy, yeah.
00:31:12
Speaker
I think that's gonna put Christian Shepard at my second most hated on this list. i i I just don't like the guy. First of all, he's like ah like a like a bad surgeon, and he's like, you know, I kind of did like naive. He was saying nice things about Jack, and that's obviously... But he's not telling Jack those things. Like, he's sitting in Australia in a bar keeping it to himself. Exactly.
00:31:38
Speaker
Exactly. so i So he's not one of my favorite characters, but I did love the interaction that he had with Sawyer. And I think it was one of the craziest twists of all time that I was never expecting. Oh, absolutely.
00:31:50
Speaker
Literally never. Yeah.
00:31:57
Speaker
And then back on island, Saeed finds Charlie by the shore and Charlie soon figures out why he came to
Charlie's Struggle with Killing
00:32:05
Speaker
him. And he says, I don't have any guilt over what happened. It was to protect the survivors from an evil man and I would do it again. And Saeed tells Charlie about the first man he killed and how he woke up every night after for a long time before he could accept what he had done.
00:32:23
Speaker
And what happened with Ethan will be with you, Charlie, for the rest of your life. And Saeed gives him the advice, you're not alone, don't pretend to be.
00:32:33
Speaker
Great advice. Actually, phenomenal advice. And I think the the ah example that Saeed used was amazing. How he killed a guy who was like, you know, he felt no remorse for, but yet Saeed still couldn't like live with the fact that he killed someone. Yeah.
00:32:50
Speaker
And just the line, you're not alone. and Like, you're not alone. Perfect. Really stereotypical. But the don't pretend to me, du dar not to me, don't pretend to be, that's, like, perfect. Yeah.
00:33:04
Speaker
That's seriously perfect. it and And, like, it this made me really, really, really like Saeed's character even more. But I feel like we haven't gotten a whole lot of him.
00:33:16
Speaker
We've kind of gotten, I would say we've gotten a lot of of John Locke. which I'm never complaining about, ever, in um like in a million years. We get quite a lot of Hurley side bits where we have we see Hurley like once or twice an episode.
00:33:32
Speaker
And then obviously Jack, because he's one of the main characters. But Saeed, I feel like we're not seeing as much as I'd like to see. Yeah, he's been a little bit on the DL lately.
00:33:46
Speaker
Yeah, so I just loved this whole bit with him and Charlie, because I feel like we've also not seen very many interactions between the two of them. Yeah, for sure.
00:33:59
Speaker
And then Sawyer and Kate manage to find the boar's wallow and discover a baby hog. And Sawyer waves the baby boar in the air, saying he's going to attract the parents.
00:34:09
Speaker
But Kate's not having it. She's disgusted with how he's acting. ah She shouts for him to let the defenseless creature go. And when he refuses, she kicks his leg, causing him to trip and release the piglet.
00:34:21
Speaker
And she tells him, you can find your own way home. And he's like, That is completely completely valid. Yeah, it was. Completely valid. but it's just so funny, his reactions, because he said something the effect of, fine, I will.
00:34:34
Speaker
Yeah. he' i Sawyer is really one of my favorite like like one of my favorite characters to laugh at. Him and Hurley. Yeah. i And then I i did i did love him picking up the pig.
00:34:46
Speaker
i thought it was funny him picking up the pig and going, here, piggy, piggy, piggy. I thought that was pretty funny. It was. Yeah, but no, completely valid for Kate to walk out like that.
00:35:01
Speaker
Yeah, for sure.
00:35:04
Speaker
And then in our final flashback, it's nighttime. There's a torrential rain hitting, so there's Lost with the Rain again. Again, it's always the rain! Yeah.
00:35:15
Speaker
Anytime that there is a bad guy or, you know, the thought of a bad guy or something happening to someone, there's a rain. Yes. And so Duckett is putting out the trash behind the shrimp shack, and Sawyer watches him from his car and pulls out his gun. And he walks over to Frank and says, Sawyer, and shoots him in the chest.
00:35:35
Speaker
He pulls out the letter he has carried since he was a child, the one he has on the island with him, and he begins to read it. However, as he says, Dear Mr. Sawyer, Duckett's response of who causes him to stop.
00:35:49
Speaker
And our Sawyer realizes that Hibbs has lied to him. Duckett was merely in debt to Hibbs, and Hibbs tricked Sawyer into being his mercenary. And before he dies, Frank's last words are the same words we've been hearing in the whispers in the episode.
00:36:05
Speaker
It'll come back around. And a stunned Sawyer just stares off after what he's done.
00:36:14
Speaker
ah don't really have a lot of words I think this scene specifically is what makes this episode so good. The, the, like the false lie that Hibbs has told Sawyer coupled with the fact um like the, the ah the building of the, you know, you can't live with, with killing someone. Like you won't be able to live with that coupled with the revenge that Sawyer is trying to get. And he doesn't even get his revenge. He thinks he's going to, he doesn't even get it.
00:36:45
Speaker
And then also just the It'll Come Back Around, like deep cut almost. When Frank said It'll Come Back Around, I lost my crap. I was sitting in bed at like almost midnight freaking out.
00:36:59
Speaker
After we recorded the last podcast. Yeah, i was on the same note that we recorded the the last one. Yeah, I couldn't wait. I usually i usually wait until the day of or the day before. Well, get ready because there's going to be a lot of nights like that coming up over the next eight episode stretch.
00:37:16
Speaker
I'm excited, but I'm also so bummed because I know I'm going to have to wait and it's going suck. Right. There's an article that I'll send you, Nick, that talks about the lost viewing experience. And it's like, a think it's written from a father to his children.
00:37:34
Speaker
And it's the title of it is something the effect of you will not stream lost in one weekend children or something like that. And and yeah I was just talking about the whole, you know, how we had to wait and, you know, the reward of it back then, right? Of one episode a week, it was just such a right awesome experience.
00:37:54
Speaker
this But I do feel for you, man. Yeah, because that's not how you're conditioned to consume content these days. It is true. And I don't know if I can do it these days either, because that's not how I'm conditioned anymore.
00:38:08
Speaker
Yeah. Although I'm doing it with Severance right now, so call out for another great show. Oh, yeah, I watched the first season. I have to watch the second one. Yeah, so good. business And then back on island, continuing his search for the boar after Kate has left him, Sawyer yells, Kate!
00:38:26
Speaker
And then finally comes face-to-face with the adult boar. He pulls out his gun, ready to shoot, and the boar is just kind of staring him down. But ultimately, he decides he can't do it, and we're led to believe that it's because of the similarities between the boar and, i
Sawyer's Personal Growth
00:38:42
Speaker
believe, Duckett. Again, I think it's open for interpretation, but I think it's it was Frank Duckett that they were trying to make that correlation with.
00:38:50
Speaker
Yeah. And Kate reveals herself to Sawyer and he says, it's just a bore. Let's get back to camp. So what'd you think of the resolution here? And what do you think overall theories on what exactly was going on with the bore throughout this episode? You know, the whispers, why were the whispers saying the same things that Frank Duckett said What are your thoughts on all these things? Um, yeah,
00:39:17
Speaker
I like the resolution. i did like the fact that he didn't kill DeBoer. And I do like to believe that it is Frank Duckett. I and i like that thought a lot. With the It'll Come Back Around, i would like to think that the island isolates something...
00:39:33
Speaker
that it knows will get to your head, so that's what it whispers to you. So maybe the island whispers to Rousseau something about her dead colleagues, or um to Saeed about his time in the Iraqi war, you know, like, stuff like that.
00:39:50
Speaker
And so for Sawyer, it was it'll come back around because that was one of the most, like, I guess traumatizing and, I guess I'll say, like, hardest times for him. Mm-hmm. like I'm imagining if it was for Charlie, it would probably have something to do with Ethan saying something like, oh, I'll kill you last. you know like you like like i I like to think that that's what the island does.
00:40:10
Speaker
okay is It targets your almost weak spot. With what intention? I don't know. Maybe to just get in your head? i have no idea. I don't know the and i don't know the island's intention. i I haven't gotten there yet. The island might just be doing that.
00:40:28
Speaker
Gotcha. Yeah, that's fair. Just curious. And then as we close out the episode, back at the beach, Charlie finds Claire offering to take that walk with her now. So the two head off along the beach and we can see that Charlie's finally confronting his feelings about killing Ethan.
00:40:45
Speaker
And elsewhere, Jack is chopping wood when Sawyer arrives with his gun and jokes, stick him up. Jack says, you trying to be funny? Sawyer says, yeah, I was fresh out of pies to bring you.
00:40:58
Speaker
Love that. I love that so much. I loved that conversation so much. It was so funny. Pure awesomeness. Yeah. And they go back and forth some more, and then Jack all of sudden says, that's why the Sox will never win the series.
00:41:13
Speaker
And Sawyer is just, you want to talk about jaw-drop moments, like he's like, what'd you say? And so he really digs into why Jack was saying it, because he remembers Christian saying the same thing.
00:41:27
Speaker
And so they talk about Jack's dad and Jack says, why do you want to know about my father? He realizes the son Christian spoke of was Jack, but Sawyer still says nothing.
00:41:38
Speaker
And then we close the episode with, you know, you kind of touched on that earlier, how Sawyer had the opportunity there and and went the other direction again. Makes me so mad. Yeah. Yeah. And then we close the episode with Jack continuing to chop wood with Lost hitting our screens. And another episode is in the books.
00:41:57
Speaker
And man, in my opinion, this was an excellent episode. I think at this juncture of season one it's one of my higher ranking episodes. So I'm curious what you thought and where do you kind of place it?
00:42:12
Speaker
I really liked it. I don't think it's... I don't know if it's settled in for me yet. i I think it should have hit harder than it did. But I think I just got to wait a little bit and maybe rewatch some of the other episodes.
00:42:27
Speaker
But I thought it was a great episode. I was a little surprised at the ending as well, because I feel like that's two times in a row where we haven't gotten like any crazy ending stuff.
Episode Reflection and Rankings
00:42:40
Speaker
It kind of just ends.
00:42:42
Speaker
And usually it ends with that big old like plot twist something crazy and like something that I'm really annoyed that they ended it there. And the previous previous two episodes have not been the case. Right. So it's interesting.
00:42:57
Speaker
Also, I really want to know what Claire and Charlie are going to talk about. What did Claire remember? I really want to know. yeah If it's anything involving Ethan and what he did to her, i would really much like to know.
00:43:12
Speaker
Yeah, I hear you. But, yeah. So back to the ranking thing. I just counted it up just for fun on IMDb. And you might be surprised that this episode is the fifth highest ranking episode of season one to this point. And we're 16 episodes That's crazy.
00:43:35
Speaker
Yeah, it beats... let me Let me throw out a couple of names that it beats. It beats Tabula Rasa. and Fair. It beats White Rabbit, ranking-wise. A little crazy, but okay. It beats The Moth.
00:43:49
Speaker
That's fair. and Interestingly enough, it does not beat Confidence Man, Sawyer's other feature episode. Wow. So clearly the fans have have a thing for Sawyer and like his episodes.
00:44:02
Speaker
Yeah. So anyway, i don't know. That stuff's fun for me. i've I've always enjoyed the numbers side and rankings and all that. it Well, cool. It's time for Most Love, Most Hated. And this is the part of our episode, listeners, that you've come to grow in love where we talk about who is trending up, who we're loving in the current episode, and who is trending down or who we're hating in the current episode. So, Nick, kick us off.
00:44:30
Speaker
I'm going to hit us with a with all with well speed run. We're going Lock, Hurley, Sawyer. All right. Sawyer made it in. I love it. Sawyer made it in this episode. I loved him this episode. i thought he was great. I thought he did a lot of growth.
00:44:45
Speaker
And I think we got a lot of insight to his character. So I was really happy with that. Most hated? I'm going Hibs just because he lied to Sawyer and just made him kill a guy for no reason or just because he owed debt.
00:45:01
Speaker
Hibs, Jack's dad. And I guess I'll go Charlie just because I thought he was kind of annoying. He was like Oh, yeah, i you know, I don't care that I killed him, but clearly you do because you're acting so different.
00:45:18
Speaker
So, I mean, i don't know. i i would say either Charlie or Boone for that one, just because Boone has been on the trending downward. No more Walt.
00:45:29
Speaker
No more Walt. Walt is longer down I'm proud of you. You're you're starting to you know respect children, and so that's a big step in your journey. Oh, yeah. Yeah, obviously. All right. So most loved for me, and I might blow your mind here on this one, but okay Sawyer has vaulted for this episode all the way up to number one for my most loved.
00:45:51
Speaker
Wow. And that's despite the fact that he murdered a man. And the whole struggle with that. But he is just such an intriguing character. And I love the story here with Sawyer.
00:46:06
Speaker
Number two for me this week is actually Kate. Because I feel like she was super supportive of Sawyer's journey after the boar and just that whole path.
00:46:18
Speaker
I'm with you. that yeah you know We learned some stuff about her. She was honest with Sawyer. And I just thought that she was great in this episode. And then number three is Locke. he can't He can't leave my top three right now. um I'm just such a big fan. i agree. Sorry, Hurley, you got bumped out this week.
00:46:38
Speaker
And then most hated really for me is just, I don't even really have three this week. I mean, Charlie's going through some PTSD. I'm not going to put him in my most hated, but I agree. It's the off Island characters for me this week.
00:46:51
Speaker
Hibbs and Christian Shepard. We've talked about this before with Christian Shepard, but he is just a very dislikable individual. yeah
00:47:03
Speaker
All right. And now it's time for theories and predictions. So I feel like there was a lot of stuff in this episode that, you know, was brought up some of it, you know, like the whispers, we've talked a little bit about that before.
00:47:16
Speaker
um But what do yeah what do you want to focus on for this episode? i Well, I mean, I do go back to my theory that the island is is throwing out whispers to, you know, just because it would, you know, like just just to kind of mess with their brains a little bit. Yeah. I love that that theory or idea.
00:47:34
Speaker
Theory that Ethan comes back to life. We got that one. The theory that Kate does something with the guns that I maybe looked into her buying. Yeah. She knows where Jack is hiding them, so if she can get the key off of Jack, she could possibly get the guns. i don't know why she would want one, but she get one. yeah Claire remembering things about her and Ethan, that would be probably my last one.
00:48:01
Speaker
feel like I kind of sprinkled them throughout the episode. So back to the island. Yeah. What is your theory about what's going on? So the island is able to look into the soul of a character, basically, and...
00:48:15
Speaker
sort of reach into their past a little bit knowing some of the interactions and stuff yeah it kind of sounds crazy now that i'm thinking about it but i don't know i feel like i don't know why i'm with you though like that that seems like a solid theory yeah i mean i don't know i don't know why the island would be doing it maybe it's just like a side effect of being on the island i can't i i couldn't tell you I don't think it's doing it for like a specific reason.
00:48:45
Speaker
But yeah, that's my, that's my theory surrounding that. And are the whispers tied to the island then? Since the whispers kept saying it'll come back around?
00:48:56
Speaker
I would think so. I would think so. Okay. Then that begs the question, can the whispers hurt you? Because every time we hear the whispers, the characters look around in fear like they're going to get ate by something, right?
00:49:12
Speaker
um I don't think they do anything. i think they're just are kind of there to throw the character off. Gotcha. Kind of mess with their heads.
00:49:23
Speaker
So maybe the island then has something that it wants the characters to do, so it's kind of trying to just throw them off and lead them down a certain path? Yeah, maybe.
00:49:34
Speaker
i don't know. I haven't really put much thought into it. It kind of just is very sporadic. But yeah, I think something along those lines. All right. I love hearing how you are processing the show as we go through it. And to me, that's one of the the more intriguing questions of at least season one and maybe throughout the show is just some of that mythology about the island.
00:49:59
Speaker
Yeah. Well, thank you all for joining us, listeners. That's it for today's episode, the Lost with My Uncle podcast. Next time we'll be discussing episode 17, which is called in translation.
00:50:14
Speaker
and it also has a series of periods in front of that. So I think we're supposed to maybe glean that that stands for lost in translation. And so they just put the periods as a placeholder.
00:50:25
Speaker
you But as we've been doing every week for the last few weeks, Nick, what do you think this episode will be centered around character wise? Yeah. i got it I think I gotta go Sun and Jin.
00:50:39
Speaker
Look at this guy coming in here, nailing it on the first try. You've only missed one. and I think that was last week or the week before. so Yeah, i think it was the Charlie episode.
00:50:52
Speaker
Great guess. Yeah. Yeah, it'll be a fun episode next time. I think you'll really enjoy digging a little deeper into their story, both on island and on. Yeah, I feel like it's been a while.
00:51:04
Speaker
Yeah. And I'm curious to see if Jen will land on our most hated list again when he gets more screen time or if if we'll start liking him a little more. Yeah.
00:51:18
Speaker
Awesome. Well, be sure to watch the next episode. Please subscribe or follow us depending on what platform you're listening on and leave a review. And we'll see you next time.
00:51:30
Speaker
Yes, we will. Woo-hoo!
00:51:45
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