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Speaker: Terrific. You're listening to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. I'm Aaron Diaz, and I'll be rewatching Lost, along with my nephew Nick, who will be watching it for the very first time.
Speaker: So come along with us and enjoy the journey.
Speaker: Let's get lost. let's get lost
Speaker: Hello, hello, and welcome back to The Lost With My Uncle, a Lost rewatch and first-timers podcast. We are your 20th anniversary deep dive into every episode of Lost.
Speaker: I'm Aaron, the millennial uncle who's seen it all before. And I'm Nick, the Gen Z nephew watching Lost for the very first time. Today, we're talking about Season 1, Episode 19, Deuce Ex Machina.
Speaker: du ex machina This one's a Locke-centric episode, so i loved it. so And it focuses a lot on the mysteries of the island and a little bit more on the Locke's past, which the last Locke episode, which was 15 episodes ago, oh left me very, very, very, very very curious.
Speaker: So I was really excited to get with with Locke and by default, because of Locke, the hatch as well. So I'm so excited. Let's freaking do this. Let's freaking do this, man. I'm so excited about this one. ah love lock backstories and I will keep saying that until people are tired of hearing me say it, but he's so, so good.
Speaker: So good. As always, listeners, you can send your thoughts and theories to lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com. Again, that's lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com.
Speaker: Without further ado, let's get lost. Let's do it. So we start the episode off with an off-island flashback. And in the first flashback, years before the crash, Locke is working in a discount superstore.
Speaker: And he's explaining, and doing a quick demo of the children's game Mousetrap. Do you ever play that game before, Nick? I actually have played that game before. actually have it. It's one my favorite games, actually. Yeah, it's a fun little game.
Speaker: But I never played it correctly. Let me imagine that. I never played it correctly. I would always just build the trap. and i would I would just skip the whole, like, you build it as you go along. i completely skipped to that part.
Speaker: Oh, gotcha. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'd say that's probably the same challenge I had. Yep. But Locke is clearly ah pretty good at that. Like, he's good at most things. And so he's explaining that to a little boy that's in the store, saying it it was my favorite game.
Speaker: used to play with my brother. Meanwhile, a creepy red-haired woman is staring at him from across the aisle. So he asks her, hey, can I help you? And she's like, you know where the footballs are? And that's really where she leaves it. But we obviously know something else is going on. So what do you think of her initially, Nick?
Speaker: Well, at first I thought that she was that that she wasn't actually a part of Locke and that there was something wrong with Locke that she had noticed, if that makes sense. and Like, she was looking at Locke and she was like, oh, there's something wrong with you. So I didn't initially think it was the lady. I think it was just like a random lady and that Locke was was wrong. Also, can we talk about Locke's hair?
Speaker: Yeah, we sure can. His... lu he his luxurious locks. ah Yeah, you better go there. i better go there.
Speaker: i mean, seriously, i wasn't expecting that. That had to be a wig. That had to be a wig. Yeah, you would think. Because I think that, I think every time I've seen Terry O'Quinn in a show, he has a bald head or bald-ish. Right.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I was going say. I mean, that's really, i I didn't really, this was, again, one of the, I think I was talking about this, I was talking about this with a um with another flashback recently, where i feel like a lot of the flashbacks give you a lot of insight, like a lot of insight to the character, and this one gave gave us nothing.
Speaker: You're talking just the first one, right? Just the first one, yeah, yeah, yeah, just the first one. I don't remember which one I was talking about it with. though. Maybe it was Jin. I think it was Charlie, wasn't it?
Speaker: Oh, it probably was, actually. I didn't like the Charlie flashbacks. You i were quite diametrically opposed to that one. i was very I was very harsh on that episode. I don't know why I was as harsh as I was, but I was.
Speaker: Yeah, I can't wait to do my ranking. I'm really excited to do my ranking. Oh, I know. I think I'm most excited about that. i need to I need to start like planning that out. Absolutely. so All right.
Speaker: And then on Island, our first Island scene of the week, we have Locke and Boone who are continuing to work on trying to get the hatch open. They've done everything they can. And now they are using what's called a trebuchet.
Speaker: think I pronounced that right. Which Locke says delivers, because Boone's like, what in the world is this? And Locke says it delivers a half a ton of force. And Boone points out that they've been going...
Speaker: to the hatch for two weeks with no progress and the lock never talks about himself. He's like, you know, tell me a little bit more about yourself, man. And lock replies, my story would bore you. And they attempt to break the glass on the metal door using the trebuchet they built.
Speaker: The attempt fails and it's destroyed. lock is just angry, right? He's just tore up. He's yelling. This was supposed to work. This was supposed to work. When Boone points out lock, lock,
Speaker: look at your leg. And he has a broken shard of metal lodged in his right leg under, under the knee area, I believe. And he's like, no I'm, I'm fine. he He pulls it out. What a, what a crazy thing to watch too. yeah Like yanking it right out of the skin. yeah He's not feeling it at all. No reaction.
Speaker: Yeah, in the next scene he is going to the extent where he's like freaking out about his feeling in his legs and he's trying to burn his feet with hot coals. Very interesting here.
Speaker: Also, before i before I get into anything else with the legs, Boone, you know, in one of the upcoming scenes he asks how they're gonna get into the hatch and Locke basically breaks down and tells him the island will send them a sign and Boone's like, wait, what'd you say now?
Speaker: He's like, ah have you been drinking the crazy Kool-Aid? So Locke hasn't lost his faith here, Nick. He's still all in on the belief that the island is guiding him. But what do you think is going on with his legs all of a sudden?
Speaker: um I literally have no idea. I was going to say i have no clue. That is one of the mysteries I do not have a theory of.
Speaker: i do not have any answers as to why the island is doing this. Well, I have one, but I'm going to hold it till the end after we talk about some of the other scenes. Okay.
Speaker: I'll probably end up agreeing with you because your theories usually tend to either be correct because of the show or because you like you've seen it or they're just like really, really, really logical.
Speaker: Yeah, that's a valid point. For the listener's benefit, I tried not to i try not to do anything that is guided by my experience of having watched the show. I i try to strictly stick things that I thought the first time through when I was watching it or okay things that are not leading for you,
Speaker: right so just I just want to be clear on that, that I'm very careful not to bring any future content into my theories. I always use the content we have at the present moment.
Speaker: interesting All right, well, let's talk about what we just talked about. All right. I love the trebuchet. I love that they made that. I think that's freaking awesome.
Speaker: Yeah, that was cool. Also, I don't know how it didn't break the glass. like Seriously, like that glass was so freaking strong. Insane.
Speaker: Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
Speaker: Like, I mean, if have a ton of force and that didn't break it. yeah How are you getting in? yes Yeah. Yeah. Locke's comment, my story would bore you, is insane to say.
Speaker: Yeah. That's just insane to say. he said He said the same thing to him before when they were looking for Ethan. They were hunting Ethan. They said the same thing. His story would not. story wouldn't. No, it wouldn't bore. It might bring someone to tears because he's had a tragic story.
Speaker: It's so good. i loved i loved this episode. I actually, I'll get into my rating of it later, but I loved this episode so much. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think we kind of see Locke.
Speaker: I feel like we've seen Locke as a pretty calm and collected character this entire show. And he said, like, you know, and yeah he's yelling this was supposed to work.
Speaker: It was supposed to work. And we see him actually getting angry for the first time. It's interesting to see that. Yeah, no feeling in his legs. That's very bold to just burn your your foot with hot coals.
Speaker: That's really bold. ye Even if I didn't feel my legs, I probably wouldn't do that because what if they suddenly like, you know, can I can feel them again? Then I'm like, you know, what am I going to do?
Speaker: Not to mention, how are you going to walk on the bottom of your foot after you've burned it? Right, exactly. I think an interesting thing a nice callback is Boone says something like, oh, I don't think we can just put our faith in the island.
Speaker: Or um I don't think we're going to get that thing open. And Locke like turns around, like whips around. He goes, don't tell me what I can't do. I love that saying. I love that saying from Locke.
Speaker: I think that's amazing. I think that's fantastic. who For sure. And then in our second flashback, Locke sees the older red-haired lady in the parking lot, again watching him. And he's like, all right, something weird's going on here. He starts chasing after her. And all of a sudden, he is just rammed by a car that's backing out. And I'm going to be real, Nick. The first time I watched this, I was like, is this where Locke becomes paralyzed?
Speaker: Yep. I thought the exact same thing.
Speaker: Yeah, it was crazy. And then we see, though, that it was just a random occurrence as Locke jumps right up and he's not hurt. And he resumes the chase and confronts the woman who reveals pretty quickly and easily that she's his mother.
Speaker: ah thought, you know, maybe there'll be a little more drawn out of an answer. A little bit more of a struggle. ah struggle, yeah. It's kind of like, who are you? i I'm your mother. I'm your mother.
Speaker: Like instantly, not like not like, oh, I'll never tell you. No, just instantly. Yeah. Tell your mother I said hi.
Speaker: And then later at lunch with her, John is is asking about who his birth father is. And she's like, oh, John, you're special. Don't you know you were immaculately conceived?
Speaker: So this lady is a bit off of her rocker. Yeah, a bit. A lot off her rocker. Yeah, I think it's such a ah nice moment for Locke. I mean, growing up in multiple foster homes, he's getting to to meet his mother.
Speaker: And obviously, like, what happens happens. But for Locke is, like, actually very, very, very excited and yeah happy. and But he's also just curious about his father, too.
Speaker: Because if he finds his mother, that means he can maybe find his father, too. And so it's like a little bit of a put two and two together if he can. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker: And then back on Island, we have quite a bit going on, but it's basically confined to two or three threads throughout most of this episode, which is nice. And so Sawyer is having some increasingly painful headaches, which are not being helped by Sun's herbal remedies or by aspirin.
Speaker: And Sawyer refuses to tell Kate what his problem is. So son tells her right after Sawyer walks off, of course. And Kate goes to Jack to ask for his advice. And he's like, what's wrong?
Speaker: And she's like, it's not me. And he's like, oh, who is it? Oh, Sawyer, of course. And he claims that, you know, I'd be happy to help him, but I'm not going to get anything out of it except for a snappy one-liner. And if I'm really lucky, a new nickname.
Speaker: Eventually, though, later in the episode, Kate convinces Jack to help and Sawyer accepts his help. And we'll get back to that here in a little bit. Yeah. um
Speaker: I'm going to say. i did not like Jack this episode. Oh, really? I thought he was kind of annoying towards Sawyer.
Speaker: Kind of just doing jerky things. I mean, that's really what it was. I mean, I get Jack's saying here where he says, you know, I'm just going to get snappy one letter if I'm not getting new nickname.
Speaker: Like, that was great. i thought that was great. But I think it kind of, i don't want to say goes against his character because it does make sense for his character to do what he did. but I didn't like what he did. I thought he was like stooping down to a level of, so like, I like Sawyer because I think he's slightly misunderstood.
Speaker: And also I think he's a very nice, like, not, I don't want to say comic relief because that's more Hurley, but he does have really, he does have nice one-liners. Mm-hmm. And I feel like Jack almost stoops down to his level in a way, which I didn't like to see that from Jack. It makes sense why he did it.
Speaker: And like, it's totally within character. But at the same time, you know, am not a fan. i gotcha. And then transitioning back to the Boone and Locke storyline, Boone arrives late to their work site one morning, to which John says, you're late.
Speaker: He and Boone go back and forth about their recent inability to open the hatch. And Locke again uses his catchphrase, don't tell me what I can't do. And he reasserts that the island will send them a sign.
Speaker: And when Boone says, what kind of sign will the island send us, John? And this is the most intense we've seen Boone get with Locke. So it was kind of interesting before we figured out what was going on here. And then all of a sudden Locke looks up and he sees a small aircraft or or what's called a beach craft.
Speaker: coming down from the sky and crashing into the jungle. And Locke's like, did you see that? But Boone starts flashing in and out, sort of like a flash in reality, and also is bloody as a part of that.
Speaker: And he's saying, Teresa falls up the stairs, Teresa falls down the stairs, over and over again. And then Locke also sees an image of his mother pointing in the direction of the plane and finds himself in a wheelchair again.
Speaker: And then he wakes up, right, realizing that it was a dream. And the next morning, he wakes Boone up early, leading him off without an explanation. So this was a really trippy scene, Nick. I'm curious what you thought here, as Locke seemingly receives a vision from the island. or what What do you think is going on there?
Speaker: It's definitely an image from the island. It's definitely from the island. let's just Let's just get that straight. Definitely a vision from the island. ah There are some things that I can decipher, and there are other things that I can't decipher.
Speaker: Number one, the obvious one, the plane. It's telling him that he wants him to go where the plane crashed, and you'll find the plane. yeah Which is true. This happens.
Speaker: The dream also tells him, hey, you're going to lose control of your legs. It tells him that because that's why he's in the wheelchair, because he's not going to have control of his legs. Very true. It also tells him, hey, if you do this, Boone is going to get incredibly injured.
Speaker: Why else would Boone be covered in blood? Mm-hmm. The two things I don't understand. One, why is it his mom pointing?
Speaker: why is it Emily Locke? What's the significance of that? And two, what is the significance of Teresa falls upstairs, Teresa falls down the stairs?
Speaker: Obviously, Teresa broke her neck, or we'll talk about that in a minute. But what does that mean? Does that mean Boone breaks his neck when he gets hurt in this crash? Which, he's he's alive. Mm-hmm.
Speaker: But, yeah. I actually didn't hate Boone this episode, either. actually really liked him. Yeah, he was good this episode.
Speaker: Yeah. That is an interesting couple of unanswered questions there. i would venture to guess that on the last one, as far as the Teresa falls up and down the stairs, that was... So if the island's giving John this message, that the island was also giving him something that Boone would believe him.
Speaker: that he had gotten a message from the island. Oh, I see. i see. Now, how, how the island has that information, right? Is the part where it gets trippy and it's like, okay, what in the world is going on here?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And then in our next flashback, Locke has hired and is meeting with a private investigator to find out information about his father and, and his mother. And the investigator tells him that his mom has been admitted several times in the past due to schizophrenia.
Speaker: And when Locke asks about his dad, the PI tells him that his father likely doesn't even know he exists. But Locke says, i still want to meet him. And the PI gives him the name and address of an Anthony Cooper.
Speaker: So Locke goes to Anthony Cooper's home where the security guard calls up and Cooper welcomes him in. The two share a joke about Emily telling John that he was immaculately conceived.
Speaker: Cooper says he didn't know that he had a son because Emily told him she was not going to have the baby. And then claims to have found out about him a year later when Emily came back asking for more money. And then he asked John, hey, do you hunt? And do you want to go hunting with me? And at this point, John is like, yeah, that'd be amazing.
Speaker: So, I mean, that kind of checks out where he got some of his skill. Not all of it. Yeah, that's true. And I'm assuming this is where he gets a little bit of his ability.
Speaker: Clearly not all of it, because him shooting doves and stuff is not equivalent to him killing boar and being an expert in knives.
Speaker: Now, it might be the start of how that happened, but I definitely don't think it was it ended up. I mean, I don't really have much more else to say on this segment.
Speaker: The schizophrenia thing was kind of surprising to me. And I was wondering if that may have run in the family and then was maybe causing Locke to be have some sort of schizophrenia as well.
Speaker: Maybe in the dream. i have no idea.
Speaker: Interesting.
Speaker: And then back on island, we get back to Boone and Locke's mission. So later that day, Locke is describing the vision that he had, claiming that it felt real. And he tells Boone he knows where to go now and what they'll find will allow them to open the hatch. He's convinced of that.
Speaker: And Boone asks him, have you been using that wacky paste that made me see my sister get eaten? And I love the way Boone asked that. It was just like so nonchalant. And Locke was like, no. And he says, Boone, who is Teresa?
Speaker: And Boone's like, what'd you say? And, you know, he starts going, Teresa goes up the stairs. Teresa falls down the stairs and Boone's like, where'd you hear that? How do you know that?
Speaker: And Locke's like, will you come with me, Boone? I believe that we're going to find what we need. And so Boone agrees as he typically does. And then on the way, he mentions, you know, I probably mentioned Teresa to you, to which Locke is like, maybe, but no.
Speaker: And before they can continue, ah Locke suddenly falls as not just his right leg, but his left leg is starting to give out on him. So he's not having feeling in either leg.
Speaker: And Boone's like, why is it your left leg now? But Locke insists that he's fine. And suddenly they find a rosary hanging on a tree and Boone's like, where do you think it came from?
Speaker: And Locke pulls on the vine of the same tree, which causes a dead body to fall from the tree. and Well, now I see what you mean by how the island would convince Boone of, you know, Locke's story. That makes, that checks out.
Speaker: There's definitely some significance to the body that they found, but I don't know what it is. I mean, I feel like we found a lot of bodies, right? At this point, there's the Adam and Eve bodies with the black and white backgammon pieces.
Speaker: Yep. And then there's now this one. ah This probably just had to do with the plane and the heroin. Mm-hmm. But then again, at the same time, had a gun, which i don't know why he would have a gun.
Speaker: and I also don't know what he was hiding from with that gun. It could have been an animal, but it also could have been like the others, you know? Mm-hmm. Yeah, it could have been. I feel like we should have gotten a little bit more of that. I'm a little upset that we didn't.
Speaker: Just because I wanted to know what what happened. That's all. Add it to your unsolved mysteries and your predictions and theories. I'd love to hear what you have on that one. So you've got like 15 minutes to figure that out while you're also doing a podcast.
Speaker: Oh, okay. And then over on the beach, Jack talks to Michael, who says the burning of the raft was not a total loss because it saved him from trial and error. And then Michael's having trouble communicating with Jin, and Jack asks him, hey, Michael, you picking up on a little Korean? And Michael's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure I know how to say faster and idiot.
Speaker: And so I know you mentioned this on the last episode, but we get a little callback to what's going on with the raft and a little focus on that briefly in this episode. Mm-hmm.
Speaker: And then Jack heads over to Sawyer and has a fun interaction as he starts questioning him about his headaches and sensitivity to light. And Sawyer, in typical Sawyer fashion, makes jokes and says, she got you making house calls now. And you know what? I'm sensitive to you.
Speaker: Jack's like, all right, I'm out. And then Sawyer's like, hey, doc. You know, and calls him back and he's asking additional questions. He's like, is sensitivity to light bad? And Jack's like, you know, if you want to come by the caves, I could check you out. And there was a really great one liner here where Sawyer's like, I'm sorry, doc, my insurance ran out or something like that. it was awesome. see Yeah.
Speaker: And then Jack even liked it so much that he was like, oh, that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was a great interaction. I feel like Sawyer's kind of being very genuine here. He's asking about, i don't know if it's in this little thing, but he asks about the tumor yeah that his uncle had and wants to make sure. I feel like he gets very vulnerable with Jack here, and then Jack kind of does this to Sawyer in return.
Speaker: That's why I have my beef with Jack this episode, because I just thought he was really rude to Sawyer, especially when Sawyer was very worried and you know, kind of opened up a little bit.
Speaker: Yeah. I hear what you're saying. I mean, I can see the other side of it too, right? Like, Sawyer's been such a pain in everyone's side for the last month or so. Yeah.
Speaker: But I don't understand why Jack wouldn't be the bigger person there. I feel like he yeah usually would be.
Speaker: And he probably should be as the doctor. Yeah.
Speaker: And kind of closing out this thread... Later, finally get an examination. kate talks Sawyer into going because he's having a lot of pain. So Jack starts asking him, to your point, a series of embarrassing questions, including questions about his sexual past, such as experiences with prostitutes, if he's ever contracted an STD, when his last outbreak was.
Speaker: Sawyer naturally gets pissed and walks off. And Kate laughs and says, I know he deserved it, but... And Jack interrupts and says, he needs glasses and kind of smiles about it. So that's that's the part you're referring to here.
Speaker: Yeah. And then later on the beach, Jack tells Sawyer that he has hyperopia. And man, the look on Sawyer's face here, Nick, was priceless. is As he looked like he, you know, I just found out that he had a week to live. And then he's like, what's hyperopia?
Speaker: And Jack tells him that it's farsightedness. And then he explains it's based on all the reading he's been doing since the crash on the island. Then we also got a great one-liner from Hurley as Jack is trying on glasses for Sawyer.
Speaker: He walks by and sees Sawyer in some tiny little glasses and he says, Dude, it's like someone steamrolled Harry Potter. Freaking Hurley. Yeah. That one was a good one.
Speaker: Yeah. I mean, that's the only line that Hurley had, but I'm so glad that it was here. so
Speaker: And then back over to Locke and Boone, where they are investigating the corpse that fell out of the tree. The corpse has a is wearing priest's clothing and has a large amount of Nigerian currency and also has a golden tooth.
Speaker: And Locke says it's probably been on the island for two to ten years when Boone asks him how long he thinks it's been there. And Boone wonders why a Nigerian priest would be on an island in the South Pacific, but Locke finds the gun on him and says, I'm not so sure he's a priest. so I think you alluded to that earlier.
Speaker: Yeah. I'm just curious as to what the point of the priest was. Like, what significance the priest holds? I imagine we'll figure that out later, yeah for now, I'm very curious. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, I think at the end of the episode, we're led to believe that it was drug runners that were, what's the right word, masquerading as priests? Yeah. To smuggle drugs out of the country. like I think that's the way that they were able to get the drugs out.
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: And that's why they have the statues. I guess it's okay to say that since everyone listening has already watched the episode. Yeah. Yeah. And then... While continuing their trek, Boone notices that John's legs are barely able to support him.
Speaker: And when Locke completely falls to the ground, Boone tries to get him to go back to Jack. And Locke's like, no, i'm I'm not going back to Jack. And Boone's like, are you crazy? Driving Locke to sort of open up to Boone and tell him he was in a wheelchair for four years before the crash.
Speaker: And when asked about how he got into the wheelchair, Locke says, it doesn't matter anymore. The island healed me. But now the island is trying to take it back. And it wants me to follow what I saw.
Speaker: He says, you and I are here for a reason. There's something we are meant to find, something that will help us get into the hatch. I know it. So it's interesting to see here again, Nick, the level belief the lock has in the island and how he feels it's guiding him towards something, even though he's losing his legs again.
Speaker: He says, oh, oh yeah, it doesn't matter anymore. The island healed me. Bro, I don't care. I want to know. i want to know how you got paralyzed. I want to know. That's what I want to know. He's very adamant but that they're there for something. And what really were they there for?
Speaker: What did they gain? Like, I mean, at the end of the episode, but I don't know if that has any correlation with him going to the plane. You know, so and don't really know what they got for doing this.
Speaker: Yeah. And also, and I feel like it's...
Speaker: Yeah, I feel like the more they got closer to the plane, um the more Locke's legs stopped working. was like the closer they got. yeah And then almost maybe and the only thing I was thinking is maybe the plane was near the Black Rock. I don't know if that's that's I guess that's a theory. The plane is near the Black Rock.
Speaker: And the Black Rock dampens the ability of the island, or maybe it strengthens and whatnot. But I don't know. Gotcha. And again, i feel like, I mean, I'm kind of going on a little further. I feel like Locke would know...
Speaker: Like, going into this, going into this, that they're meant to find something, and that everything, because the island told him, but the island also told him that Boone would get hurt. So I don't understand why he would willingly tell Boone to go up and climb the plane, because he knew he was going to get hurt.
Speaker: Because, so I think there's two reasons, and I'll talk about my other stuff at the end of the episode But I think the two reasons are because Locke's belief that he is meant to do something special on the island because of the fact that it healed him.
Speaker: And then secondly, because of that, that is blocking every other ability to think through some scenarios
Speaker: and causing him to, he probably didn't even pick that out of the dream because he was so focused on the other aspect. Yeah. Because the interesting thing also about the dream, like you, you deciphered it.
Speaker: There was nothing about the hatch in the dream, but Locke was convinced that them going to the plane was going to help them figure out how to open the hatch. Yeah. That makes sense.
Speaker: All very interesting. I love some of the things that came up in this episode. Some of them. Yeah. The more fun things to theorize about, I think.
Speaker: And then later, while they are resting, Boone reveals that Teresa was his nanny when he was a kid. And every day he would call her to his room over and over again, which was up a large flight of stairs, until one day she fell down the stairs and broke her neck.
Speaker: And Locke starts to laugh, just like, giddily cackling at this. yeah Boone grabs him and legit looked like he was about to pummel Locke for laughing. yeah And then Locke points past him and Boone sees the plane up in the tree from the dream.
Speaker: And Locke can't even walk at this point, so he tells Boone, you're going to have to go up and and find out what's inside that plane. Yeah, that just, I don't know, that just felt like a death sentence.
Speaker: I get, like, why now, like like, why Locke was doing it, because even he was curious, but I don't know, it just felt like a setup. Yeah. Again, I think that Locke just was of one-track mind from that dream and wasn't thinking at all about what he saw with Boone in the dream.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: And then in our next flashback, arriving early to go hunting with Anthony Cooper, Locke sees that his father is hooked up to a dialysis machine. And Cooper's like, you weren't supposed to see this. I told you to come 12.
Speaker: twelve And then he ends up telling him those kidneys are failing and he doesn't have a donor. He really puts it on John while they are hunting and at one point even says, good shot, son.
Speaker: Clearly manipulating him. And Locke, despite having just met him, volunteers to give his father one of his kidneys. And just before the operation, Locke says the transplant is meant to be and the two hold hands in preparation.
Speaker: I don't know. i hate. I hate that. hate that. Mm-hmm. He really tees it up. And then his dad says, I'll see you on the other side. and he doesn't.
Speaker: And it's so rough. It's so bad. I hate it so much. The manipulation is just one of my least favorite things ever. Agreed. And then back on island, Boone climbs into the plane and discovers that the plane contains ton of Virgin Mary statues.
Speaker: And he goes to the window of the plane and he says, this is your sign, Locke. And he throws one of the statues down and it breaks. And inside of it is heroin. So the priests in the plane, I believe, were led to believe they were drug smugglers.
Speaker: Locke is clearly shaken and begins to say, don't understand. and don't understand. Meanwhile, Boone has found a working radio in the plane as the plane is is shifting very badly in the tree and Locke's like, Boone, you got to get out of there.
Speaker: And he's able to make contact with another unidentified person. And Boone says, we're survivors of Oceanic Flight 815. And the person on the other end says, we're survivors of Flight 815.
Speaker: Which I want to get back to in a minute. But before Boone can respond, the plane falls off the cliff. And what? I didn't hear that part. You didn't hear that part?
Speaker: No! I guess we'll get to it now. You didn't hear the echo back? Yeah. I thought they said, like, hello, survivors of Flight 815. Nope, they said we're survivors of Flight 815. Are you sure? 150,000% positive. Are you positive?
Speaker: one hundred and fifty thousand percent positive are you positive Yes, go back. No way. I'm going back. I'm gonna pulling it up right now. keep Keep going. I'm sorry I interrupted, but oh my goodness.
Speaker: Yeah, pull it up right now, and then we'll circle back on in second. Yeah, oh my goodness.
Speaker: And then before Boone can respond, the plane falls off the cliff and crashes to the ground, and Locke rushes over, barely able to walk, and hoists a badly injured Boone on his shoulders...
Speaker: and returns to camp calling for Jack to help, claiming that Boone fell from a cliff while they were hunting. yeah Jack springs into action, but Locke disappears into the jungle before he can explain what happened to Jack.
Speaker: So, few things here. Firstly, wow, things aren't looking good for Boone. Could he be our first main character casualty? I'm curious what your thoughts are there. And then, all of a sudden, Locke's legs are working again to where he can haul another human on his shoulders.
Speaker: And I know you're busy checking the transcript. I found it. I found it. You are right. You're right. He says, hello, we are survivors of Flight 815. Okay. So, i Okay, I see. I see. I see.
Speaker: Dang. Okay. Whoa. Crazy, right? That's weird. That's really weird. Whoa. Okay. um That can't be good. Okay.
Speaker: Okay. um Alright, where do I want to start here? What dark magic is going on here? Yeah, okay. Yeah, Boone is banged up.
Speaker: I have no idea how in the world Locke got up and helped Boone. I have no clue. Yeah, it's wild. It's wild. I mean, because I'm assuming, i i don't know if he was still paralyzed or if the island was just like, okay, you can walk again now.
Speaker: Or if it was just pure willpower. i don't think he'll die. That's what I wanted to circle back on for a minute. And sorry to interrupt right there, but before we get too much further down the pike.
Speaker: That's what I am trying to think through here and and sort of unravel is if we're led to believe the island sends Locke the dream to send him to the plane. Yep.
Speaker: ah island is also what healed him, right? Is what we're led to believe. So that's what's taking away his ability to walk temporarily. Right. Causing Boone to have to go up.
Speaker: And then all of a sudden, once, once the plane crashes down, Locke is once again able to use his legs. So what purpose would the island have in all this is what I'm trying to unravel.
Speaker: Like, ah have no clue. There's nothing, There's nothing really specifically with the hatch that was gained from going to the Beechcraft. Yeah. And what, like, I'm trying to think, there's not really a purpose for the island to injure Boone, send him up, and then injure him?
Speaker: Oh, dude, I don't know. i don't know. Maybe Locke is schizophrenic. And it's not the island?
Speaker: But how how can he walk, though? That's obviously not anything to to do with schizophrenia. Unless he's not actually paralyzed and he just thinks he's paralyzed because of schizophrenia.
Speaker: Oh, I see what you're saying. All right. That's such it oh it's such a... That's such like a... This show leaves so many questions. Like, actually so many questions.
Speaker: Well, we're only 19 episodes into a 106 episode show, right? So it's not going to have all the answers for you at this point. That's true. but But I hear you. It can be frustrating at times, for sure.
Speaker: Feels like it's coming in little little nuggets. Oh, yeah. I can't believe they responded with, we're also survivors of flight at 8.15. So maybe the others are also survivors of the same crash.
Speaker: Interesting.
Speaker: Yeah, that is interesting. What would they want with Claire, though, and her baby? Like, did they see her on the flight?
Speaker: here. Maybe they know something. Maybe they're trying to get off the plane and they need to sacrifice Claire's baby. maybe there's Maybe they're trying to sacrifice the baby to the island.
Speaker: Maybe that's it. Yeah, maybe. i mean, if the island is a living being, the idea of sacrifice is not a bad thread to unravel. Interesting.
Speaker: Okay. God.
Speaker: Anything else on all of that that you wanted to chat through? Any other thoughts you had? Are you good? I don't know why Locke would lie to Jack about Boone's injury.
Speaker: Hmm. Yeah. I mean, maybe you're trying... I mean, I get you're trying to keep the hatch a secret. And why? if If you tell him, like, oh, we were a we found this plane, then obviously everyone's going to go. That makes sense, actually.
Speaker: But still, I feel like he could tell... I feel like he could tell Jack, like, privately. And Jack would kind of be like, okay, and kind of keep it to himself. Yeah. i I don't know.
Speaker: No, I hear you. That's one thing i I'm definitely not a fan of Locke doing that. Yeah. I mean, it kind of makes sense, but same time.
Speaker: Yeah. I think we'll we'll get more into it like when we start talking about Locke versus Jack versus Saeed versus whoever is leaders on the island. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Locke is kind of leading from a self journey perspective right now and not really looping much of anyone else into what he's doing. Yeah. So we'll see how that goes for him.
Speaker: Yes, we will.
Speaker: And then as we close out our episode, this is legit one of the most moving five minutes of TV I think I've ever seen, Nick. After the transplant, Locke wakes up in the hospital to find his father is gone.
Speaker: His mom shows up in the doorway after Locke talks to the nurse, and she says, it was your father's idea. he conned you into giving one of his kidneys.
Speaker: I needed money, so I went to him. And Locke is just devastated, and he cries, this can't be happening. This is a misunderstanding. He wouldn't do this to me. He then tears his IV out, leaves the hospital, and drives to Anthony Cooper's home.
Speaker: where he is not admitted by the security guards. The security guards like, I'm sorry, John, he's not taking guests. have to ask you to leave. Locke walks up to the gate. He looks into the camera and says, I know you're watching me.
Speaker: You can't do this. And then he drives away from the residence, angrily punching the ceiling of his car while crying in agony. And then we quickly transitioned to the hatch where the amazing musical score, the same one, i don't know if you caught this, but the same one that was playing on our other lock episode at the end, when we found out that the Island healed him, that his yeah the reason why he wasn't admitted on the walkabout was because he was paralyzed.
Speaker: It's the same score, same buildup, emotional soundtrack, which is so good on this episode. and we flawlessly transition back on island where Locke is crying at the hatch and he yells and screams saying, I've done everything you wanted me to do, so why did you do this to me?
Speaker: And as he bangs his hands on the door, a light comes on inside the structure and the episode ends with Locke staring into the hatch. So a lot to unpack as we fade to black with Lost hitting our screens, Nick.
Speaker: All right, let's get started. We might be here a while. This, I agree with you. This flashback is one of the best moments in television. for me, one of the most moving.
Speaker: It's so brutal. It's so brutal. yeah so Just a pure betrayal. He's like at at such a loss. Genuinely such a loss. and And I actually thought when he was in the car screaming, i mean, I had to like stop for a second. I was like, wow. I was like, first of all, acting. Second kind of all, like... Oh, ah the acting is insane Terry O'Quinn in this episode. Yeah.
Speaker: I thought he was going to crash his car after that and that's how he paralyzed his legs. That was a theory that I had.
Speaker: And then the hatch. I mean, if he's like covered in Boone's blood. And it's like, i don't I don't want to say it's raining. I don't think it's raining. I just think it's dark. And he's like, why?
Speaker: Why would you do this to me? And oh my God, he's just like, he's so desperate and he's put so much faith in the island. He's got nothing good in return. yeah And then he gets to like,
Speaker: So what is it? I don't know. i don't know. and it's killing me that I don't know. it's it makes me so mad. oh my God. i need to know. if the next episode doesn't talk about it, I'm going to lose my mind.
Speaker: ah
Speaker: If it does another thing, because last time they introduced the hatch and then we didn't get it for like another two or three episodes. Also, where is Rose? Where is she? Good question. I'm going to say this every single time. Where is Rose?
Speaker: Gosh. The Rose counter is still only at like, what, three episodes? I think she's only been in like three. She's been in like three episodes. Anyway, great, great episode.
Speaker: So good. Yeah. All right. Awesome. Well, now it's time for our most loved, most hated segment, the segment of our show where we talk about who is trending up, who are we loving at the current moment and who are those characters that are trending down or are most hated at the current time. So cue us up, Nick, what you got this week? um Most love. We're going to hit lock number one. Okay.
Speaker: Obviously. um I think I'm going to Hurley too. Kind of, ah we didn't get a lot of him, but he's, I don't really have like a crazy list today and Hurley will always be up there for me.
Speaker: So I think he's a safe pick in the number two slot. And the number three slot is Sawyer. All right. I really liked Sawyer this episode, and I thought he was he seemed a little bit more human and less jerky.
Speaker: So because of that, I put him up there. We had no Saeed this episode, so I wasn't going to put him up there, but I really liked Sawyer this episode. My three least favorite, Anthony Cooper is the bottom.
Speaker: Yep. I hate him with burning passion. I figured he would be your favorite. Oh, obviously. Just kidding.
Speaker: Emily Locke, second most hated. Because she was also a product of the destruction. Third most hated, my least most hated out of the three, is going to be Jack.
Speaker: Alright. I don't know what it was. He ticked me off this episode. Just thought he was a jerk. Well, you're taking sides here in the Jack versus Sawyer. and and you're on If Sawyer's your most loved, then yeah, I guess Jack's gotta be on your most hated.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Plus, it aside from the off-island, there weren't a ton of people in this episode that you could really put in your most hated, to be fair. That's true. There was Boone, but Boone wasn't deserving of it.
Speaker: Yeah, agreed. No, i i think Boone's actually in my most loved this episode. Really? Yeah, I think so. So I think Locke obviously has to be in there.
Speaker: The Locke-centric episode, one of the best. um Also just tragic. His story is absolutely tragic. Yeah. Brings me to tears just about every time I watch a backstory for Locke.
Speaker: And then Boone just really... not crazy say. And Boone just really, you know, he really did step up and... yeah. He's always willing to to try to do things to help other people. Like the fact that the plane was getting ready to fall down and he was trying to reach someone on the radio. Yeah, I do got to hand it to Boone for that. I haven't been liking him as much lately, but he is at least willing to help. So i think he... I mean, I imagine so long as he stops doing stupid things and being stupid aggressive for no reason, then I think he'll probably start going up on my list.
Speaker: Yeah. And then... I don't know if I really have fully have a third. I guess I would just put, I'm with you. the i think I think Sawyer was great. i also really like Jack in this episode. I didn't take his obviously take as much issue to his joking with Sawyer.
Speaker: Yeah. I consider it like friendly ribbing to is what he was doing, you know, and. Yeah. And it may cause him and Sawyer to, to be better friends over time. It's hard to say.
Speaker: But I really enjoyed the dynamic there. Also agree with you, Saeed wasn't, he didn't really have much of a role in this episode except for the glasses scene where he was in front of the fire like. Yeah, building them. Melding the glasses together.
Speaker: Right. Which was interesting. And then most hated is, yeah, Anthony Cooper, Emily Locke, and I don't really have a ah third most hated this episode.
Speaker: There wasn't really anyone else. That's fair. I hated Cool. So we've talked a lot already about some of the theories and predictions, but I want to make sure that we've unpacked everything before we close today. Is there anything else that we've missed? Because there's a there's a lot in this episode.
Speaker: I don't know. I mean, I think we talked about the priest. We talked about all the island stuff. We talked about the hatch. i don't really know. I'm going to be honest. I don't really know what else to... Yeah, I think those are the three main talking points for this week. Yeah.
Speaker: So what did I, let's see, what did I give you a hard time about earlier and say you had 15 minutes to come up with a theory about, or predictions? Something about the priest. Yeah, I think that's what, that might've been what it was. I can't even remember.
Speaker: All right. Well, any closing remarks or predictions? I got nothing. That's totally fair. This was a lot to take in. lot of stuff. Yeah, a lot.
Speaker: Big episode. great episode though i did not rank it i did not rank it let me give it a rating oh yeah give it a ranking because numbers got a 9.2 from me yeah also i fully expect some of your numbers and you know no pun intended not talking about the numbers episode specifically but some of your ranking numbers i fully expect those to shift as you do a final review at the end of season one and that's natural so yeah I'm also going to put it at 9.2 because i i really can't I really can't say that I like it better or worse than numbers.
Speaker: It is a very different vibe, but actually, yes, I can. I'll put it at a 9.1. 9.1? Okay. Or yeah i really should put, I'm lying to you.
Speaker: I really should put all right this in a 9.2 and I should put numbers move up to 9.4.
Speaker: Okay, okay. Well, as long as you quit lying to me, I'm good with whatever you decide. Yeah. That's on me. um So do you recall what you gave Walkabout way back when we did that one?
Speaker: I think I gave it 9. I thought we were higher than that when we originally did Walkabout. I might have given it a 9.5. Yeah, I thought we kind of started in the 9.5 range, like on the pilot and on Walkabout. If I did give it a 9.5, if I did give Walkabout a 9.5, I'm not to lie. I think Walkabout is slightly higher than this.
Speaker: Oh, Walkabout is widely regarded as one of the best episodes of the series. The only reason why is just because of how giddy that episode made me. Oh my goodness. I was sitting in my room watching this and I was so excited. I was, I was actually like so energized from all of like how cool Locke was.
Speaker: Cause that was like the introduction to Locke's character and the start of everything. yeah That was amazing. That was amazing. Yeah. There was a lot of mystery and intrigue around him and who he was and
Speaker: right Yeah, i'm not I'm not sure. I'm going to wait and do my my star ranking when I do my final season one numbers because I want to kind of weigh some of these against each other for this particular episode.
Speaker: But I will tell you that I pulled up IMDb. IMDb ranks it in 9.0. That's also what it ranked Walkabout. And that's also what it ranked to numbers. So all three of those were 9.0s for IMDb.
Speaker: interesting And they are three of the highest ranking episodes of the season. yeah
Speaker: So, you know, as far as what we've watched so far, they are tied for second behind the pilots part one and part two, which both got 9.1s. Interesting. Yeah.
Speaker: And then obviously I'm not going to tell you yet what the upcoming episodes are. obviously
Speaker: So with that said, our next episode will be episode 20, which is titled Do No Harm. Can't wait to discuss what is coming up in the show. But who do you think that this one will be centered around?
Speaker: All right. What's my record right now? i'm pretty i'm I've gotten the last like you've got a pretty good record. Yeah, I think you've only missed one since we've started doing this. I think I missed Jin.
Speaker: No, I missed Charlie. Charlie, yeah, that's right. That's what I missed. I missed Charlie. I missed Charlie. and So that was home that was Homegoing or Homecoming, um which was episode 15. So I've gotten the past, I've gotten 16, 17, 18, and 19 correct. So I should probably try and get this one right.
Speaker: Do no harm.
Speaker: I'm going to go Claire. You're going to go Claire, okay. I think I'm going to go Claire. Yeah. Is that your final answer? That's my final answer. All right, let me ask you, what led you to choose Claire in that scenario? Just want to get into your brain a little bit here. um Do no harm?
Speaker: i don't know. i kind of thought that she kind of survived from the whole the Others group. ah Seemingly unharmed. And Ethan was trying to what seems to be harm her. i don't really know. I also think that Claire has been one of the ones that we haven't gotten a second episode for.
Speaker: oh And I feel like she would be one to get a second episode, if that makes sense. I don't think any, I mean, it could be Saeed. I mean, it could be Saeed. But I feel like Do No Harm resonates with me a little bit more with Claire.
Speaker: All right, well, I'm sad to tell you your streak has ended. now oh It is Jack-centric. So the whole No an iteration. Oh, getting Jack? We're getting a third Jack before we're getting a second Clara, a second sight? That's crap.
Speaker: We are, yeah. All right. Hey, don't be hating on Jack. You might really like him in the next episode. No, I'm not hating on it. I'm hating that my streak is broken.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, it kind of makes sense, the placement of where this one is, though, given the fact that, you know, Boone's in a rough place, so likely the next episode, yeah, it's going to be sliding back in it.
Speaker: You'll get your Saeed and Claire follow-ups, and you'll get some rows coming. Don't you worry, my friend. Yeah.
Speaker: Awesome. Well, what a great episode. Thank you all for listening with us. We really appreciate each and every one of you who are along for the ride with us. And be sure to watch the next episode. Join us for the discussion.
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Speaker: Yes, we are very excited. Woo-hoo!
