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...In Translation Recap
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Tensions flare as we see Jin’s side of the story for the first time. This episode sheds light on his relationship with Sun, their troubled past, and the choices that led them to the island. Our millennial uncle struggles over the 2 sides to Jin's personality coin, while Nick experiences the emotional weight of Jin’s struggles for the first time. Plus, we dive into the camp’s growing divisions and the fire that changes everything.
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Introduction to the Podcast
00:00:21
Speaker
Terrific. You're listening to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. I'm Aaron Diaz, and I'll be rewatching Lost, along with my nephew Nick, who will be watching it for the very first time.
Exploring Jin's Backstory in '...In Translation'
00:00:37
Speaker
So come along with us and enjoy the journey.
00:00:42
Speaker
Let's get lost. let's get lost
00:00:51
Speaker
Hello, hello, and welcome in to the Lost with My Uncle, a Lost Rewatch and First Timers podcast. I'm Aaron DS, your Millennial co-host. Joining me as always is my Gen Z nephew, Nick, and today we're diving into season one, episode 17. Hard to believe that we're already 17 episodes in, but this one titled Dot, dot, dot in translation. And this episode offers us a deeper look into Jin's backstory and naturally the backstory with Sun as well. And some of the challenges that Jin faces both on and off the island, Nick.
00:01:27
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's great to see another episode from their perspective. We mentioned House the Rising Sun. And I thought that was a Sun and Jyn episode, not realizing that it was more of like more of a Sun episode. And and now getting to this being a Jyn episode is really interesting. And I'm really excited to talk more about Jyn's character, especially since he's been on like one of the most hated characters for a really long time.
00:02:01
Speaker
And this might be like a Sawyer moment where he gets a little bit of a redemption.
Listener Engagement
00:02:04
Speaker
Yeah, it might be. Well, before we jump in, as always, remember that you can email us any theories, any feedback about the podcast.
00:02:14
Speaker
You can email us at lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com. Again, that's lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you. So with no further ado, nothing else to chat about.
Jin's Island and Pre-Island Life
00:02:29
Speaker
Let's get into the recap and let's get lost.
00:02:34
Speaker
So we start this episode off a little differently than most episodes, and we have a really quick transition to the flashback after starting on island. So Jen is standing on the beach, and he's staring out at the ocean stoically, and we immediately jump into our first off-island flashback where Jen is standing, you could say marriage trial before son's father, Mr. Paik.
00:02:58
Speaker
They are inside of his office. in some city in Korea were were led to believe. And Mr. Paik is asking him a series of questions like, why should let you marry my daughter?
00:03:11
Speaker
What are your ambitions? What does your father think of this marriage? And Jin tells him, i may be from a fishing village, but I have ambitions. I want to open a hotel. He then hesitates and tells him that his father is dead.
00:03:26
Speaker
Mr. Paik then asks Jen to become an employee of Paik Heavy Industries as his personal assistant. And Jen agrees, saying sun is his dream and he will do anything he asks.
00:03:37
Speaker
And Mr. Paik stares him down and then finally stands up and shakes his hand, which leaves Jen with a big smile on his face. I'll always say, it's so interesting to to see, because i was actually listening to the um House of the Rising Sun episode it earlier today, matter of fact.
00:03:55
Speaker
Oh. But, um and I say this in the other episode, it's so interesting to see Jin's shift from where he, like, where he becomes this different person, almost.
00:04:07
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And it's really obvious in this episode. We see how ambitious and how um excited he was and how he would do anything for Son and how that's kind of different now.
00:04:20
Speaker
And the flashbacks always show this different, entirely different character. Also, let me add that this did open with an eyeshot. Oh, did it? Yeah, I didn't even catch that.
00:04:32
Speaker
Mm-hmm. So we will add to our counter and tally up at the end. Yeah, I think we're at 10 or 11 out of 17. I think so. that sounds about right.
00:04:46
Speaker
Awesome. It's a good amount of shots. we'll get a We'll get an accurate tally of that for sure.
00:04:53
Speaker
And then back on Island, to your point, we once again see the two sides of the coin with Jin as, you know, at the early scene we kind of see his gentle and and loving side and that he's prepared to do anything for Sun and then On island, as he is scanning the beach, looking around, looking for Sun, he sees her swimming in a bikini, and he rushes to cover her up with a towel.
00:05:19
Speaker
And they begin arguing loudly in Korean, and Jack says to Kate, here they go again. And Michael tries to break it up, but then Sun slaps him for his effort.
00:05:31
Speaker
And then alone in the next scene, as Jin stares at the watch that was a part of our House of the Rising Sun episode, He asks Son if there's anything going on between her and Michael, but she says that's ridiculous. There's nothing going on.
00:05:46
Speaker
Okay, so remind me the significance of the watch. Do we know what that is? Yes, the watch is the job that he was asked to do. He's supposed to deliver some watches.
00:05:57
Speaker
Oh, that's correct. That's correct. yeaha Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they were going to do that job, or he was going to do that job essentially and then try to get out. Right. I don't know. This episode put Michael in a very tough spot for me.
00:06:11
Speaker
Because i think right here, like, why would you even get involved? I mean, like, let someone else do it. Not you. You know how Jin feels about you. And you know that you're one of the only people that, you know, I feel like Michael kind of got a little too involved throughout this entire episode.
00:06:28
Speaker
I don't think any of his actions were necessarily like out of character, nor unreasonable. Like, i feel like a lot of the things that he did, like, i at first I was like, well, why would you do that? And then thought about it and i was like, well, if I was him, was like, it makes a little more sense. Not saying I would do it if I was him, but if I was him, it would make sense.
00:06:47
Speaker
And especially since it's a Jyn-centric episode, you know, like, I would expect there to be a lot of Michael. But it puts Michael in the tough spot because we just came off of, um what, Special?
00:06:58
Speaker
Yeah. And that was, seriously, that was one of my favorite episodes. I think I'm going to create a of ah list and rank my episodes. Please do. I love ranking lists.
00:07:13
Speaker
Yeah, I'm probably gonna umm probably going to give us a ranking list by the finale. Awesome. Well, going to hold you to that and and the audience is going to hold you to that as well. Yeah.
00:07:25
Speaker
This episode was great. i feel like I have to like sit with it
Complex Relationships and Flirtations
00:07:29
Speaker
a little bit more. I think it was, it was fantastic, but I think there were a lot of parts that I overlooked I don't know. But I loved it.
00:07:37
Speaker
Back to this specific moment, though. Sun keeps saying there's nothing going on between the two of them. And part of me wants to side with Sun and say like, oh, yeah, there's nothing going on between them. But then at the at the same time, part of me wants to side with Jin, kind of. Because there there is a little bit of something. Like, I'm at least reading into a little bit of something going on.
00:07:58
Speaker
I feel like they have some flirtatious energy a little bit, maybe. i don't know. i I don't really have a side because I think Jin is very overprotective and it's not good. But at the same time, I think Sun is a little flirtatious with Michael.
00:08:13
Speaker
That might be because I've seen her talk to Michael and Michael is one of the two people at this time that know that she speaks English. Yeah. You know? So, I mean, that might that might make me think that, and Jen doesn't obviously know that. So, um don't know i'm a little on i'm ah I'm a little on the fence between those things.
00:08:34
Speaker
Yeah, that makes sense. ah Back to your point about should he have gotten involved given the challenges between he and Jen. i think it was Claire or Charlie or one of them or Hurley. They were all standing there when Jack and Kate were having the conversation about here we go again.
00:08:51
Speaker
One of them said, should somebody get involved or should we get involved? And the next thing you know, is' Michael tearing in there to get involved. So, yeah, that was a good point you made there.
00:09:05
Speaker
And then in flashback number two, son and Jen have just gotten married and are extremely happy. But before the honeymoon, found out that Jen must devote six months to management training for son's father.
00:09:20
Speaker
And Sun's very wary of this, but Jin places a white flower in her hair and promises her that the honeymoon will be the one she's always dreamed of once they actually get to it.
00:09:32
Speaker
See, like, this is where I'm so confused, because I believed him. i so i You know, I believe him. And I i imagine that he had every intention to do that. I don't think Jin had the bad intention. think it just happened because of...
00:09:48
Speaker
you know, the work that he was doing for son's father. Yeah. You know, and he was kind of in too deep. And if he didn't do what son's father asked, he would probably be on the other side.
00:10:00
Speaker
So. Right. I think we find out a little bit more in this episode that it's not necessarily Jin's fault. It's more son's father's fault, but he doesn't want to tell son that.
00:10:14
Speaker
Yeah. That's a tough place to be with would the father-in-law. it's it's really complicated. And then they're becoming distant because of it. Yeah. And then in the sort of follow up to the slap, son back on the Island sun approaches Michael and she's basically seeking his help.
00:10:34
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She tries to explain that the slap was meant to protect Michael from Jen's jealousy saying, you don't know what he's capable of. But Michael's like, you know what? I shouldn't have gotten involved. It's not my problem. It's yours.
00:10:47
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Meanwhile, Hurley approaches Jen, who is at the, we'll call it the golf course, where our survivors have had some fun rounds of golf. And Jen is just hammering that golf ball, taking out all of his aggression on it, or hammering something. I don't even know if he was swinging at a golf ball.
00:11:04
Speaker
It was like rocks, I think. Rocks, yeah, that makes sense. And Hurley trying to chat with him and really just kind of extend an olive branch to him and and reach out and offers a couple of fishing rods, one in each hand.
00:11:19
Speaker
He's like, dude, you want to relax a little bit? But Jen just ignores Hurley here. So like, originally I was like, oh, will Michael get involved? Well, i mean, immediately afterwards, he was like, you know what?
00:11:30
Speaker
you're You're right. It's not like, you know, it's not my problem. It's yours. So like, I'm kind of like, okay, why would you do that, Michael? But then he apologizes and i'm like, okay, i forgive you, you know?
00:11:41
Speaker
Yeah. He's not completely outlandish in this episode. No, not at all. He does this a bunch of times. I don't know why. i seriously don't know why.
00:11:53
Speaker
But I think whenever another character outside of Sun interacts with Jyn, I love it. Yeah. The Charlie and Jyn scene, all the Hurley and Jyn scenes, heck, even the Sawyer and Jyn scenes, I just think there's they're hilarious.
00:12:12
Speaker
I think they're they're hilarious. and I also think that it does such a good job of, you know... I feel like that's where Jin's character kind of shines through, where his actual like character comes from.
00:12:25
Speaker
you know, not just like, oh, i I hate my wife and I want her to be whatever I want, but more like like what Jin really is kind of comes through. i don't know if that makes sense.
00:12:38
Speaker
Yeah, no, it definitely does. But I don't know why Jin would ignore Hurley when he has such an amazing offer. I would definitely take up that offer, and I don't even like fishing. Yeah, for sure.
00:12:51
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And then in our next set of scenes, still on Island, in the first scene, we have Shannon and Saeed who have been growing closer to each other. And Shannon suggests to Saeed that maybe they should spend an evening away from the other survivors, have a little alone time.
00:13:05
Speaker
And then over to Michael and Walt, who are working on the raft and raft is coming along. I know that you kind of balked at that last episode, Nick. So is this is this raft kind of what you had envisioned or does it look different than what you thought in your mind or...
00:13:21
Speaker
Yeah, I was imagining a little more like, I don't know, like raft-like, not like boat-like. i feel like it's it has a lot of boat features. I wasn't really expecting that. But good for good for Michael. I mean, seriously, good for Michael.
00:13:33
Speaker
I applaud him, and i I give him, you know, the credit he deserves. He did a really good job. Also, before we move on, I just want to mention, i thought it might happen, but I don't like it, is the Shannon Saeed.
00:13:48
Speaker
ah I don't like them together. As a couple. I don't like it. i get it. i get it. I don't know why. i just don't think they should mix at all.
00:14:02
Speaker
Like, at all. Well, I think i know why you feel that way. It's just the distaste for Shannon and her character. Yeah, probably. Saeed is one of the coolest, well-rounded humans on the show.
00:14:17
Speaker
Yeah, and then also he has so much, like... like love for Nadia and like, yeah, that's true. Part of his story was with Nadia and now he's just like, Oh, Shannon, Nadia was like a thief and stuff. And I even think that Shannon's a downgrade.
00:14:34
Speaker
Right. So, I mean, geez. Yeah. I hear you.
00:14:43
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And then as we finished out that scene, Michael is also telling Walt tales of New York and telling him how excited he's going to be to take him there. And Jack swings by and is chatting about the raft. So Michael's proud of the work he's done, shows it to him. But Jack is wanting to talk about well who's going to leave on the raft with you because there's only four available seats.
00:15:05
Speaker
And Sawyer is sitting nearby and we find out that he has already bought one of the four seats with some basically trade that he has done for some parts for the raft. I mean, of course, you I mean, that makes so much sense. That just makes so much sense.
00:15:19
Speaker
If I had to put my money on one person doing it, I would think that it would be Sawyer. Yeah, for sure.
00:15:26
Speaker
And then Sun is with Kate in our next scene, and they're discussing Jen, and Kate is kind of wondering how Jen could have changed from the tender and loving husband that Sun describes. And then they are distracted by the survivors running towards Michael's raft, and
Raft Sabotage Mystery
00:15:42
Speaker
we realize that it's on fire.
00:15:44
Speaker
And everybody's trying to put out the flames. It's very chaotic, but it's it's a useless venture. The raft continues to burn. And when Michael sees Sun, he demands in English to know where Gin is.
00:15:55
Speaker
And Sun will not answer. Jack and Kate try to intervene. And Michael sees Walt throwing sand on the fire and tries to get him back and get him away from it, which gives Sun a chance to... flee the group, and then the survivors discuss the possibility of Jyn having torched the raft. So, at this juncture, Nick, what were you thinking? Were you thinking that Jyn had any part in this?
00:16:18
Speaker
Actually, no. i originally thought, and I don't know why I had thought this, I maybe thought it was Locke. Yeah. Just because I feel like he's been a character with ulterior motives this entire time of staying on the island.
00:16:32
Speaker
Sure. You know, considering he can actually walk on the island and real life he can't. Yeah. So it would make sense that he would want to stay here. And also it does kind of do a shot, like or does kind of pan over to him when the fire gets discovered. And he's not running towards it. He's just standing there. So I maybe was like, okay, why aren't you trying to help? you wouldn't you be I mean, John Locke is so smart and he knows everything. Wouldn't he be amazing at putting out the fire?
00:17:00
Speaker
Yeah. But again, like we talked about in a previous episode, Locke kind of operates on Locke time and does his own thing. This is true. And I think that's part of his character, and I really like that.
00:17:13
Speaker
Yeah. I do really enjoy that.
00:17:17
Speaker
But for a split second, thought it could be Jin, and then my immediate attention went to Locke because I feel like that'd be a little too obvious to make it Jin. And it wasn't Jin, so.
00:17:28
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And then with, you know, everyone's like, oh, Jin did it, Jin did it, Jin did it, Jin did it. That's why I was like, okay, it's not him Yeah.
00:17:40
Speaker
so Yeah, they did a great job of ah misdirecting us, though, is in our next scene, son finds Jen at the caves, going through the medical supplies. His hands are burned and agitated. Son tells him Michael is just trying to get us off the island. And Jen is basically scowling at her, burning a hole in her face with his eyes ah because he's so angry that she thinks that he burned it.
00:18:04
Speaker
I just wanted to say here. Later in the episode, Sun says, why why didn't you tell me that you didn't burn the raft?
00:18:13
Speaker
Yeah. And this is a part where I, like, take Jyn's side is because, you know, this is... my wife here and I've known you for this long. Do you really think that I would burn down one of our only chances like to getting off the island? Do you really think that's the kind of person that I am?
00:18:33
Speaker
That's the kind of way that I interpret it was it was almost like really rude to, ah I mean, obviously we we thought it could be him, but feel like from Jen's perspective, it's rude to assume that he did it.
00:18:47
Speaker
Like his wife is assuming that he did it. Right.
Jin's Past Work and Personal Struggles
00:18:50
Speaker
You know? Why doubt him
00:18:54
Speaker
Yeah, your spouse should have your back at all times. Yeah.
00:19:00
Speaker
And then we move into our next flashback, and this one was bit shorter content-wise, but essentially Jen is carrying out some tasks for Mr. Paik, including supposed to be delivering harsh messages to a factory worker.
00:19:14
Speaker
But in this scene, it's clear that Paik's employee was expecting a much harsher message from than Jin gave him as he thanks Jin by giving him a puppy. Okay, a few things actually to mention in this ah in this one flashback, because there's a lot more in this flashback.
00:19:29
Speaker
One, did he ever say that he wanted it to be a harsh message, or did he say that it just wanted to be a message? I think he just said, I want you to deliver a message. Yeah, I think he did. And Jen just didn't know what that meant, though.
00:19:44
Speaker
Right. So in Jen's perspective, he didn't do anything wrong. Two, it makes the puppy that Sun got from Jen seem a lot less suspicious. He didn't even want the puppy.
00:19:54
Speaker
Right. He was like, you don't you don't you don't got to do this, man. he was like, i insist. I insist. I insist. I insist. I thought he had killed a guy and then stole his dog or whatever. No, just the guy gave him a puppy.
00:20:06
Speaker
Then the last thing in this in this scene is Hurley. Do you know about this? No. Do I? Maybe.
00:20:18
Speaker
It flashes to his daughter, the factory man's daughter, who is watching something on TV, and it's Hurley. Hurley is on TV. And he's getting into a car on TV.
00:20:33
Speaker
Oh, yeah, I think I did know about that. i don't think I noticed it this time through, though. Really cool for me, though. I was like, I was watching it like, I think I like I had to pause. I was like, wait.
00:20:46
Speaker
Like, is that early? Huh. Wait a minute. That's early. I thought that was really cool. Yeah, you never know who's going to pop up at any given time, which is what's so cool.
00:20:59
Speaker
Yeah, and then that's also a little bit more, you know, insight into maybe his backstory, which we hopefully get Hurley episode soon. So, you know, hopefully I can't wait.
00:21:12
Speaker
Yeah, hopefully. Maybe by season four or five. Oh, yeah, maybe.
00:21:20
Speaker
And then back on the island, Saeed comes to Boone to say that he and Shannon are drawing closer. And Boone becomes aggressive and Saeed says, I wasn't asking for your permission.
00:21:34
Speaker
Boone then tells Saeed that she has a thing for guys who can take care of her and she'll leave you eventually. And then in our next scene, Shannon is asking Saeed for help to build a shelter. She's like, hey, come here, help me out.
00:21:47
Speaker
Saeed tells her, you're very capable, Shannon, and perhaps you should try to find another friend to help you with your shelter. So Shannon realizes that he's been talking to Boone, stomps off to Locke and asks him where Boone is.
00:22:00
Speaker
And Locke resists her attempts to, you know, draw him into the conflict, but challenges Shannon to do whatever she likes without worrying about Boone's reaction. He says, do you like him, Saeed?
00:22:12
Speaker
Because if you do, what's it have to do with your brother? He then tells her, everyone gets a new life on this island, Shannon. Maybe it's time you start yours. And what a line. Dude, Locke is so cool.
00:22:25
Speaker
He is. He's so cool and he's such a good character. Baldi an awesome character. He's an amazing character. i i care less about the Saeed and Shannon thing. i told We already said this, but I do like Saeed saying, i'm not asking for permission.
00:22:42
Speaker
you know, like whatever, whatever, whatever. Yeah. And I think that that ties into his character really well. That's not the kind of person or guy that Saeed is to ask for permission. He's kind of just, he's going to do.
00:22:55
Speaker
I think there are a few, this was also in an episode that i I was listening to, think one or two of our episodes today. not because I was listening to it. Let's just get this straight. I don't go and listen back to our own podcast. Yeah.
00:23:11
Speaker
I'm not that obsessed. Well, that's a shame. But we were talking about some of the leaders on the island. Yes. And how Locke, Jack, Saeed are all pretty natural leaders.
00:23:26
Speaker
Right, yeah. I have Boone, who's like so fake, like he's like a fake leader. He tries so hard and like I'll give him credit for trying because, you know, sure, try.
00:23:40
Speaker
But he's just not good at it and he fails and he's just not. I don't know. It annoys me that he fails. Yeah, I just think he's not very good at it. And then I do like Locke kind of like kind of separating Boone and Shannon into their own character.
00:23:59
Speaker
For example, like at the end of the Boone episode, he was like, oh get away from, not really get away from Shannon, but was like Boone, what did you feel when you saw Shannon dead? He like relieved.
00:24:12
Speaker
And then he's now telling Shannon to start her new life, not worrying about Boone. Right. So like, he's kind of like splitting them up a little bit. And i I do like that because I do want to see them as two independent characters a little bit more.
00:24:29
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely.
00:24:32
Speaker
And then in the jungle, Jen is down by a spring trying to drink some water, and he's already a little bit apprehensive to be doing it. He's looking around cautiously before he dips down into the water.
00:24:46
Speaker
And then Sawyer sneaks up behind him and kicks him and says, you messed up my ride, chief. And then he apprehends him, starts marching him back toward the beach, and he asks, scared? You understand scared, don't you?
00:24:59
Speaker
If you ain't, you're gonna, Bruce. Those people on the beach may have been doctors and accountants a month ago, but it's the Lord of the Flies time now. So I love the reference here, Nick, as I've mentioned the book, The Lord of the Flies, multiple times in relation to the goings-on of season one.
00:25:17
Speaker
I gotta read the book. I think I, I mean, after we're done with this, I think I have to read the book. I think you do. Yeah. I think I seriously do. It's a short read too. Super easy to get through.
00:25:27
Speaker
Okay, good. and I like that. So I think Sawyer is... I don't know. um What i'm trying to say here? is is He's right. He's very right.
00:25:39
Speaker
The people on the beach were... They're they're different. They're not the same people. You know? um They've been on this island for a month now. Like, wake up. He's so right. and that's It's a little scary that he's right.
00:25:53
Speaker
And I love that that he calls him Bruce. Yeah. Do we know why he calls? oh does he call him Bruce? Cause Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee. yeah Yeah. I thought so. I mean, that's such a Sawyer name too. So it is, you know, it's funny too, because looking back on it, like that's, that's pretty derogatory as a racial slur, right?
00:26:14
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it's one of those things that you, you kind of chuckle, but then you're also grown a little bit because you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:23
Speaker
And then that takes us into our fourth flashback of the episode. And Jin is having dinner with Sun when he gets called in by Mr. Paik and absolutely chewed a new one with Paik saying, I'm losing millions because you were too incompetent to deliver a message.
00:26:39
Speaker
And Jin is ordered to go with someone else who will show him how to deliver a message the right way. When they get there, though, Jin is the one who immediately jumps out of the car and sort of takes matters into his own hands.
00:26:52
Speaker
He beats the factory worker in front of his family and says, the factory opens tomorrow. I just saved your life. And he tells Pake's associate, who is looking on from the entrance of the home, he got the message.
00:27:06
Speaker
And then returning home, Jen, bloody from the beating, heads straight for the bathroom. He begins to wash and try to get rid of the blood. Son is questioning him pointedly, asking him what he does for her father.
00:27:19
Speaker
and then she slaps him. And he replies, i do whatever your father tells me. i do it for us. She leaves and Jin tries to continue his cleaning, but stops and begins to weep as he stares in the mirror at himself.
00:27:34
Speaker
Well, there's the shift. There's the moment. Yeah. There it goes. Old Jin. Bye bye. New Jin. Hello. Right.
00:27:45
Speaker
He's losing millions. Son's father is losing millions. That's crazy. Yeah. So that's crazy. Yeah. I mean, I think it just it goes to show you like he is a a very powerful dude. Yeah.
00:28:03
Speaker
So that makes you feel more for Jin and see the scenario that he's in, right? Like what's he supposed to do? Right. I also like the parallel um where Jen says, I just saved your life.
00:28:16
Speaker
Yes. And the parallel between Sun saying that to Michael, I do like that. I think that's important. And also, i think that was a nice little touch. Oh, yeah. Then when Jen returns home in blood, that was in the Sun episode as well. That whole thing was like almost like bar for bar, exactly in the Sun episode.
00:28:40
Speaker
The only difference is the flashback doesn't end when Sun leaves. When Sun, usually that's how it did in the Sun episode is Sun left and the flashback ended.
00:28:51
Speaker
But in this one, that's where we get to see Jin like stares at himself in the mirror and just begins to sob. Yeah. So like, you know, wasn't it wasn't like he's still a little bit the same guy, you know, but and we have to see it from his perspective to get there.
00:29:06
Speaker
Yeah, for sure.
Sun's Shocking Revelation
00:29:10
Speaker
And then back on Island in the present, we come to the confrontation part of the episode where Sawyer delivers Jin to Michael. And this scene is just pure pandemonium as the survivors are shouting back and forth between each other. They then watch while Michael begins to interrogate Jin.
00:29:26
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Jin begins speaking Korean, not really, you know, acting too scared. Like he's being pretty aggressive in the words that he was saying and the way he was saying it. And so Michael demands that son translate.
00:29:39
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And son is silent, not wanting to give anything away. And Michael is just slugging Jen again and again. And finally, son can't handle it anymore. And she screams out in English for Michael to leave him alone, saying, Jen didn't burn the raft.
00:29:54
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And everyone, including Jen, finally realized that some could speak English. Charlie goes, you speak English? Hurley says, didn't see that coming. And Jack says, you understood us this whole time. And why didn't you say anything?
00:30:08
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I mean, pretty cool scene there. and What a cool, I mean, so powerful too. Then like Jen didn't even attack back. Like he didn't hit Michael. He wasn't trying to hit Michael.
00:30:19
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He was just letting him beat on him. just trying to get it over with. I mean, it's crazy. I think I also feel for Jen a little bit where if my wife knew the language, I'd be betrayed. But like, I'd also be betrayed if we would like we're on the island with English speaking people for a month.
00:30:38
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Yeah. And I'm learning a month into being like, like, imagine how many times son could have translated stuff for Jen. Right. And made life so much easier for both of them. You know, so I kind of I kind of feel for Jen in that way.
00:30:52
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Yeah, for sure. And then the latter half of this scene is, this is one of my favorite scenes in season one of Lost, and I think it's just iconic.
00:31:04
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Sun explains that the raft was already on fire when Jyn arrived, and that Jyn's hands were burned as he tried to put out the fire. Michael and Sawyer are still not buying it, but Locke has had a again this is to me one of the iconic speeches and lost when you watch it back because yeah i can just watch it over and over again locke comes out of nowhere and says why would he burn the raft and give up our best chance of getting off the silent we're so intent on pointing fingers at one another that we're ignoring the simple undeniable truth that the problem isn't here
00:31:35
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it's there dave attacked us sabotaged us abducted us murdered us maybe it's time we stop blaming us and worry about them and terry o' quinn absolutely smashes the seen in this performance as he's walking off and he's waving his arm and then he concludes with we're not the only people on this island and we all know it and son maintains jim's innocence and everyone sort of starts to disperse as g walks away and leaves sun standing alone
Locke's Speech on Threats
00:32:06
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okay
00:32:06
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so i do like the i i mean i i think the reasoning makes sense it does make sense for jim's character to actually defend the vote like knowing jen's real character he didn't like michael but why would he you know give away whatever whatever whatever right and that's kind of what locke says but i think locke says all of this knowing knowing that it wasn't the others that burned down the raft ah exactly he gives this small speech
00:32:39
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and it's a it's a lie the whole speech is a lie it is it's so good it's that that's what makes it so good is that the whole speech is alive love it because he find out who really burned it yeah he is sort of positioning a following for himself and and also just trying to anger people against the ones they call the others who we really don't know any about at this point except for ethan yeah and we don't even know if there are any others besides ethan but
00:33:12
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solid performance by both ter oquinn and the character of locke here yeah
00:33:20
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and then back to the raft which is a total loss at this point after the fire michael is really starting to succumb to despair he starts cursing loudly and throwing things around but he realizes that walt is watching his every move kind of one of those you know father moments where you realize your kids are watching you and they're going to do the things that you do and you have to be better than that ye and so he kind of catches himself and he promises walt that things are goingnna be all right
00:33:50
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they'll build a better raf and wall promises that he'll help his dad rebuild the raft so that was pretty cool see ah yes promise him that he rebuilds the raft he asks if he can help yeah ah okay
00:34:07
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okay right sure sure that makes sense what that makes sense you saying a kid can't build a ra no no no no no no no no i'm just asking why would wal i was going to say this for later but why would woa got to burn down the raft and then be so adamant on rebuilding it right that does not make any sense to me yeah i mean i know he he tells locke at the end that
00:34:39
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he did it because he liked the island yeah yeah i like it here you know and locke says i do too then why would you offer to rebuild it yeah good question i mean things change you know maybe he felt some love and camaraderie with his bad in that moment hard to say
00:35:03
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or maybe he felt guilty about burning it he was like yeah i probably better help him build it
00:35:09
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yeah yeah and could be it
00:35:16
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meanwhile jen and son argue as jen pack to move to the beach away from sun she tries to talk to him in korean in an attempt to talk their problems out and then as jen starts to walk off son starts speaking in english to him as she cries i was going to leave you i was going to get away but you made me change my mind you made me think that you still love me and then in korean she says i want to go back to the beginning can't we just start all over gt stares on sadly it almost looked like he was going to drop his backpack and stay and then he just kind of put it back on his shoulder arm if he caught that
00:35:55
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yeah but tough scene there sure yeah i mean he says it in english i was going to leave you so he can't even understand that no he's just feeling the raw motion of it i was waiting this episode for the moment where it's like oh jen also knows english and it never happened and i don't think it will happen but i kind of like that better i liked the this like at least one of them knowing english i think that's great but i think if they both
00:36:26
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no i think it'd be a little too obvious you know oh yeah and adds
Jin's Father's Advice
00:36:32
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to the intrigue i like that he doesn't understand that and that is just like you said pure emotion yeah
00:36:44
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and then in our final flashback jin goes to visit his father who is a simple fisherman and gn says i'm sorry father and confesses that he was ashamed of him but his father simply embraces jen and then he tells his father of his dilemma and his father advises him to make his next project for mr pake and that's the one we talked about earlier where he was supposed to deliver watches to pe associates in sydney and los angeles dad's like why don't you make that your last
00:37:15
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go to america and save your marriage and then flashing back quickly to the island in the present jen finally replies to sun and says it's too late and reluctantly walks off pausing briefly before leaving the cave so again you could see that he was really struggling over whether he should do this
00:37:35
Speaker
so yeah a lot to unpack here yeah i think the flashback is is great coming mean we thought he father but we thought his father was dead he wasn't he was well and alive yeah why would you be embarrassed of like i mean i kind of get that being embarrassed by your by your dad i mean not say rest by my dad hold on me stop and embarrassed my dad but i mean if you're coming from a poor background and you're going and trying to impress this you know rich guy to marry his daughter you know i would
00:38:07
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i would imagine telling him that oh my dad is a fisherman from a poor village wouldn't really a job well so in a way i understand but yeah i don't really think you but to lie and say it was yeah but anyway his father was graed really wise very very very wise words in a very good plan and i think that's what he aimed to do yeah because he does really love sun even though he doesn't really show it that much he does i don't understand why it was too late
00:38:41
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that's what i don't understand i still think they really could have worked it out yeah and now i feel like i feel like it's going to be a weird dynamic seeing them not you know ah together yeah it definitely will be now it should make for some good tv though that's true and also back to your point i know you're not you know embarrassed about your dad but it's totally okay to be embarrassed about your parents as long as you're not embarrassed by your uncle
00:39:12
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that's the important yeah i just wanted to touch on that yeah okay i wouldn't be embarrassed among uncle
00:39:21
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and then back on islands we have multiple threads rolling as we prepare to close out our episode a tearry shannon approaches saed by the fire and kisses him he asks her what that was for and she tells him that everyone gets a new life here on the island so she takes lock advice here as much as you probably did not enjoy this scene oh
00:39:48
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did not like that scene yeah hi hear yeah
Walt's Confession
00:39:51
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and then wall and locke are playing backgammon and walt brags to lock about huly oweing him eighty three thousand dollars and locke brings up the subject of fathers he says that his own was not cool he then asked walt ask you a question why'd you burn the raft and we talked about this a little bit earlier while confesses that yeah he didn't want to move anymore he likes the island and locker agrees and says i like it here too and then the next day on the beach
00:40:21
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jen approaches michael who is salvaging what he can from the wreckage and g is carrying some bamboo and he says a single english word to michael but and michael nods i mean i loved that i so ah vote yeah and in now now that he's not involved with sun i think they might begin to so like each other michael and jen i feel like they're kind of similar in some ways um i did not like michael slugging on
00:40:52
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jen but then again like i said i thought about it from michael's point of view if i thought he burned down my raft my only way off of this horrible island and yeah maybe i would probably want to punch him in the face yeah
00:41:09
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and then we close the episode with a lost musical montage and panning images between survivors we start with hurley once again listening to music on his headphones and we've had this a few times i love it when curley wandering the island and we have these closing musical montages meanwhile son who is finally free from her husbands control removes her towel to reveal a bikini and she just kind of takes in the
00:41:40
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fresh bereeze and stares out into the ocean and you know it's pretty cool moment of independence for her is she's relinquishing both that cultural and control that her husband had over her in that regard and then charlie and clare sit on the beach together while hurly is listening to his cd player until all of a sudden it loses battery power and disappointed he says son of ah throws the device into the sand and that's how we end our episode this week nick so i know you probably have some final scene commentary
00:42:12
Speaker
and then after that please let the listeners know where this episode ranks for you um i thought we were just going to have another musical montage at the end and then it kind of got interrupted by this bit and i loved the bit i thought it was a great way to end the episode yeah i mean the the sun that whole motif and metaphor of you know like freedom but it's like a sad freedom you know like she's very happy that she's coal free but not happy at the fact that
00:42:43
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obviously she's not with gym anymore so you know i think it's great for her character and i'm excited to see where it goes yeah also so don't know what charlie and clared talked about on that walk that's true and yeah i think this episode as a whole it's it's getting harder to rank them since i've i've seen more like the more episodes i watch the harder it gets to rank them i would say out of ten i would be compelled to give this like a solid eight
00:43:17
Speaker
ah yeah i think it's it's very middle of the pack it's not like it's not anywhere near walk about white rabbit moth confidence man outlaws special you know some of those other ones it's nowhere in near but like tabula roa house the rising sun but are some other ones i didn't really enjoy the claire episode that much the claire episode you know like those are the second charlie episode like i have that above those
00:43:50
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so i would say it's aolidate ah gotcha let's see if imdb agrees or disagrees with you i amdb ranks this episode at eight point three
Episode Ratings Discussion
00:44:04
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so it's not too far off it's in the ballpark yeah the great thing about the show is every episode is going to connect with every fewer differently and right so we're go to like certain episodes more than others and there's i mean there might be one or two episodes that you could call bad episodes throughout the entire run of lost a hard time calling any episode a completely lost or or bad episode but yeah yeah i like this episode upon the rewatch i wasn't sure
00:44:38
Speaker
rewatching it how much i would love it but i actually was pretty locked in on it awesome cool we are at that junction of our episode where we're goingnna jump into our most loved most hated segment this is the segment where talk about which characters are trending up which are most loved and then which characters are trending down or who are we hating on at the current moment so all right nick let's hear if you've had any significant shift this episode um
00:45:10
Speaker
top three we're gonna go lock early i feel like we didn't get enough of jack or charlie or usually whoever i would put in that number three slot part of me kind of wants to put gin so i'll put gin up there actually just for this episode all right as you know his character arc and seeing like his ah backstory and the kind of man that he is and also him kind of
00:45:41
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standing on ah standing on business if you will against some and her not being truthful with him however this doesn't mean like like he did have his bad moments like at a beginning where he was telling son to cover up
00:45:58
Speaker
but i also think you tried to save the raft which was an honorable thing and i also think son was pretty rude to him in some parts of this episode so you know i put him at three i guess most hated mr pa is my three yeah my most hated that's an obvious one my number two ah shannon yeah i don't know i did not like any of her interactions and i don't like her and saeed together i'm compelled to put sun in the last slot
00:46:30
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really but i don't think sun did anything necessarily bad because i also understand sun side of the argument yeah yeah i'll probably put ah probably put a boon down there again yeah we didn't get much of him but i didn't i didn't like what he said to sae i thought that was kind of a little racist what is this some sort of will we say is this some sort of arabic thing where you need my blessing like shut up he's trying to
00:47:02
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do the right thing and tell you yeah i agree one hundred percent those are actually without any deliberation or additional comments those are my bottom three
00:47:16
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and i don't know if i even have a top three for this episode i think it's just lock and hu for me is yeah je he's not close enough still to be in a most loved character that's fair and's very fair i would even honestly i would take sun over jim for this episode if i was going to put still most cloth just because again like she was the victim here i mean obviously we've got the deceptiveness with the speaking english but that's a whole other issue that has transpired between them
00:47:50
Speaker
right and she actually you know did a lot for him this episode just kind of protect him and took a big big swing there too right i giving yeah her her secret in order to protect him yeah i didn't i guess i didn't think about that i know sawyer and kate made an appearance last week in my my top three none of them really got too much facetime this episode and yeah story was a bit of a jerk too right kicked gin down by the water and drugg into the beach
00:48:22
Speaker
yeah i think i think jen kind of got his butt handed to him this episode more boys than one dude yeah
00:48:31
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awesome so let's talk theories and predictions any new theories or questions that are rolling through your mind after this episode i't a ton actually i think gin and son being separated just my create more independent characters that's a theory i have i guess i also have a theory that sae and shannon will become more of a thing i don't want that to happen but i think it will and then i guess i will say i think locke will try and in
00:49:05
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more things on the others when in reality it is not the others ah are my three big ones for now that i can think of
00:49:17
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yeah there's not not a lot island mythologywise or anything in this episode right definitely more charactercentric and then just the mystery around the raft until we got to the end of the episode yeah right well that's all for today's episode next time join us and and watch and we'll be discussing episode eighteen which is called numbers so let's hear your guest nick as to which character this episode will center around i have two guesses all right
00:49:49
Speaker
i would like to think that it's ah john locke second episode but based off of your hint before recording and your talk of me very very very liking the next episode i think that it's a hurly episode considering we got a lot of i feel like we got a pretty decent amount of hurley action in this episode and especially with the episode ending with him and him you know son of a yeah at the end and we also saw him in that commercial
00:50:22
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so i think or maybe it was a show i don't know i think it's ah i think it's a hurly episode so wait what ah hint i didn't give you any hint for the episode man
00:50:39
Speaker
all right so sorry listeners every now and then i get so excited and nick and i are talking you know off camera so to speak and i was telling nick that he was going to be very excited about the next episode so you are correct it is a hurdly episode yeah
00:51:00
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i'm so excited you are going to love it im so excited so do you think the title numbers mean going into this one it probably refers i bet you he's like i bet you he gambled that's my guess is that he was a gambler
00:51:22
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i don't know why i think that but that just makes sense in my head could be
00:51:30
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it's gonna be a good one so be sure to watch it join us for the discussion and don't forget to subscribe follow and leave a review and we'll see you next time yes we will