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Do No Harm Recap
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A life is lost, and a life is born in one of Lost’s most emotional episodes yet. Jack faces an impossible situation as the camp experiences its first real tragedy, and Claire’s baby arrives in the midst of it all. Our uncle revisits the intensity of watching this unfold for the first time, while Nick struggles with the heartbreak and weight of leadership. Survival just got a lot harder.
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Introduction to 'Lost with My Uncle'
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Speaker
Terrific. You're listening to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. I'm Aaron Diaz, and I'll be rewatching Lost, along with my nephew Nick, who will be watching it for the very first time.
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Speaker
So come along with us and enjoy the journey.
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Let's get lost.
Episode Overview: 'Do No Harm'
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let's get lost
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Hello, hello, and welcome back to The Lost With My Uncle, a Lost rewatch and first-timers podcast. We are your 20th anniversary deep dive into every episode of Lost.
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I'm Aaron D.S., a proud millennial rewatching Lost, and joining me as always is my Gen Z nephew, Nick. And man, Nick, I feel like we've really been on a hot streak episode-wise lately and have ah another really good one to discuss today.
00:01:16
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I completely agree with you. i enjoyed this episode a lot. We are specifically talking about season one, episode 20, Do No Harm, which continues literally right where we left off with a very injured boon and is mainly about sacrifice, leadership, and some more heartbreaking moments being a Jack-centric episode.
00:01:38
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Yeah, for sure. he He knows how to pull on the heartstrings. and Yeah, he does. Or I should say the the writers know how to pull on the heartstrings with old Jack. Yeah. So it'll be interesting to see if we get good Jack or dark Jack today.
00:01:53
Speaker
Yeah. As always, listeners, please send us your thoughts and theories. You can email us at lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com. That's lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com.
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You ready, Nick? I am so ready. Let's freaking
Struggle to Save Boone
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do this. All right. Well, let's get lost. So we start off on island this episode, and we pick up right where we left off with injured Boone, like you mentioned.
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And Jack and Son and Kate are working furiously to treat his wounds. Son sort of steps in in this episode as a nurse for Jack, who sends Kate to Sawyer's stash for alcohol and to sterilize instruments.
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And Boone's lung collapses and Jack does the whole doctor thing where he punctures the lung or whatever, which is always so, so gruesome to watch.
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Yeah. And then also in this scene, Jack rips open Boone's pant to get out his leg wound. And Boone is semi-conscious, but he's in a lot of pain. He's lost a lot of blood and he's just muttering incoherently.
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But Jack promises to fix it. He's like, I'm going to save you, Boone. So again, we see Jack with really the need here to fix something and to help someone in that way.
00:03:13
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Yeah, i mean, I think and this was such a tense moment. I really can't really explain. like i think i think the first 10 minutes were so intense that my my brain wasn't really thinking that much. It was kind of just like, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God. oh my god They did not leave a lot of breathing room in this episode in terms of let's relax a little bit.
00:03:35
Speaker
Everything was just go, go, go. yeah I do really like Sun. I really liked both Sun and Jin this whole episode. I think it was really hard. I think I have my bottom three pretty lined up, but it was really hard for me to get a bottom three and a top three for this episode.
Jack's Flashback: Tuxedo Misdirection
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Extremely difficult.
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Yeah, I hear you. And then we pan to our first off-island flashback, and Jack is helping his friend Mark tie his bow tie in a tuxedo shop. Mark is nervous about having to speak publicly, and Jack teases him, saying it's not too late to back out.
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Mark says eight beers should get me through any speech, but Jack's like, she'll catch you if you're drinking. And the tuxedo shop then brings out another tuxedo for the groom, and we find out that it's Jack. So a bit of a misdirect here is as we are led to believe initially that it's Mark's wedding and not Jack's.
00:04:32
Speaker
Yeah, i was I was really confused because we haven't heard, i mean, we've had two Jack episodes and we hadn't heard anything about his wife, which is kind of crazy to me. It's kind of just been about dad dad dad, dad, dad, and nothing much about his wife. So it's very interesting to see this different side. And I was definitely not expecting it since we've literally, what was episode 20? We're 20 episodes in. We're just now hearing about his wife.
00:04:57
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ah So keeping us on our toes.
Raft Building and Urgent Requests
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Yeah.
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And then back on Island, Sawyer, Michael, and Walt are taking a break from raft building to eat some fish. Claire stops by and says, hey, talks to him a little bit. Jen continues, meanwhile, to work furiously.
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And so the group talks about Jen's obsession because that dude just won't take a break. And suddenly Kate runs up in a hurry and she's like, Sawyer, I need all the alcohol now. And in a bit of a turn from our normal or typical Sawyer responses, Sawyer actually obliges and gives Kate the alcohol and offers to come back to help with her.
00:05:37
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But Kate's like, nah, there's probably too many cooks already. And then at the caves, Jack is stitching up Boone's chest and Boone is he's just apologizing in his feverish state.
00:05:49
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And he needs a blood transfusion. So there's some talk about that. Jack's not really sure how he's going to be able to do that on island. You tell it's really stressing him out. Sun's like, why don't you step away and regroup a little bit?
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And then Charlie is outside the operating area doing typical Charlie questioning. And Jack gets pretty annoyed and and brushes him off impatiently here.
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I loved every bit. I feel like every single character in this episode had some importance in the grand scheme of things or or not. I won't say every single one, but most characters had some level of importance. And and it's interesting to see how they work together in a time of like, OK, Boone needs this, this and this and this and this.
00:06:35
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Yeah. And it's really cool to see how all of them step up, especially Sun, who surprisingly knows a lot about medical treatment. Right.
00:06:45
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I feel like we should get to know a little bit more about that and why she knows that.
Boone's Worsening Condition
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I feel like we'll figure that out later. Anyway, i think this kind of reveals Sawyer's true character a little bit more, like his true intention. Because I feel like we've always known that Sawyer's not actually like ah bad dude.
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So it's nice to actually see him being who we know he is. Yeah. And he's like, you know, like, okay, oh do you need anything? Like, I want to help.
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I kind of am not a big fan of Kate's response. Too many cooks. Not because of what she actually said, just because why wouldn't you want Sawyer's help?
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You know, i feel like that's an extra set of hands that could be useful. Sure. Especially considering the case that Kate got into with ah Claire and having to literally scream for help until Jin came along.
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But if Sawyer was there, he probably could have gone and gotten Jack and not had wait for Jan or whatever. So I don't know. I think it was kind of a bad call on Kate's part.
00:07:53
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Yeah. And then Charlie, I mean, what are we doing? you he had he He was up after the moth. He was so up.
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And he's just, I feel like, been slowly trickling down for me. He's just in your doghouse right now. He's kind of in my doghouse. I kind of relate to this a little bit. Like if I'm trying to do something and someone's just like asking me questions that I don't know the answer to, or if I'm overwhelmed, let alone Jack's overwhelmed with Boone's life, you know, and making sure that he lives.
00:08:27
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I don't know how Jack did it with Charlie and his Yeah. oh, yeah, we need this this, this, this, this. You know, like, I don't know. I don't understand.
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And for me, that does not help Charlie's case at all. Yeah. And Charlie's definitely that guy. He's always, always jumping in with a million questions. I feel like he should be a little more aware of things going on. Mm-hmm.
00:08:59
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And what to do versus not to do.
00:09:03
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Yeah, definitely. Well, maybe that's a preload to your bottom three. I'm assuming it probably will be. Maybe.
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And then in our next flashback at Jack's wedding rehearsal, Mark finishes up his speech and introduces Jack's bride to be Sarah. So this is the first time we meet Sarah, who, by the way, just so happens to be Claire from the show Modern Family.
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Modern Family. Julie Bowen. I saw that. I was like, whoa. Bowen. Yeah, call out to or shout out to Modern Family. Great show. Fantastic show.
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Sarah tells the rehearsal party the story of how she met Jack. There was a car accident. She had a broken back. Obviously, Jack is a spinal surgeon. Jack promised to fix her and then had success.
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And because of all this, she will dance at her wedding and she finishes her speech by toasting Jack as her hero. Yeah, so I was so uncertain about what they were.
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Like, is she his wife? Are they like, you know, are they dating? Are they fiance? Are they just friends? Did he just so happen to save her life? I was very confused on the um the actual dynamic that they had.
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But it's very, very obvious that Jack is like, like I saved your life. Okay. He's very um timid. And I don't know. I don't know. At this point, I didn't know why.
Jack's Wedding Rehearsal Flashback
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But obviously, we find that out.
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Right. And then on island, Jack returns to Boone to examine his leg again, and Sun enters with a small stick, and Jack's like... Herbal remedies? Nah, he's too hurt for that.
00:10:47
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But Sun explains that the stick is for Boone to bite down on. And then she holds Boone's shoulders down and Jack sets his leg with a sickening crack. So that was a fun scene. ah Yeah, exactly.
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And then Kate is sprinting through the jungle with the backpack full of alcohol when she trips and falls, breaking a good portion of those bottles. And as she's gathering up the remaining ones that aren't broken, she hears groaning just off the path. And it's Claire going into labor, although Claire tries to deny it.
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And Kate tries to get Claire on her feet to walk her back to Jack. But Claire is too far along and Kate's not going to leave her by herself. So she yells for help. And Jen hears from the beach and comes running.
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And Kate is finally able to communicate to him that she needs him to get Jack from the caves. Jin's like, doctor, doctor. And she passes off the alcohol to Jin while she stays with Claire.
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And then at the caves, Sun asks Boone to tell them his blood type before he is going unconscious. And Jack, at the same time, is trying to improvise some type of needle. But the bamboo he's working with is too fragile. It's not going to work.
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And Boone tells them finally that he's a negative. And so Jack sends Charlie out to find out each survivor's blood type as quick as he can and also to bring Shannon. And Jack is all kinds of worked up right now in this scene, Nick.
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I mean, well, I mean, why wouldn't you be? If you're trying to save someone's life and you have no medical equipment, you're just going off of things you have on an island. I mean, I would 100% agree with him.
00:12:26
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That'd be rough. Yeah, I mean, first of all, what did they so what did they even do with that crack of his leg? Because wasn't his leg crushed?
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And they thought they thought it was maybe dislocated,
Claire Goes into Labor
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but it was actually crushed. So what did they do? I don't know. I mean, they alluded to setting the leg, but yeah, you're right. That doesn't make a lot sense to me.
00:12:53
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Yeah, that was my first question. i was I was so mad when Kate fell. As soon as she fell, I was like, you broke the bottles, you idiot. I was like, what are we doing? i was like, come on, dude.
00:13:05
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I was so mad. Yeah. To be fair, that could happen to anybody. It's true. I know it's Kate, and it's easy to easy to be disappointed with her after some of the previous behaviors, but...
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Yeah, but anyway, i love Jin for coming in clutch with his yeah nice sprinting towards them. I'm really big fan of Jin this episode, and he has been catching on to some English as well.
00:13:33
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So, good for him. Awesome. Ooh, the whole boon thing is so sad. It's so ah Charlie tries to find everyone's blood type, and they come to the relatable conclusion that they literally have no idea what anyone's blood type is.
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I have no idea what my blood type is either. Right, yeah, i would know that. I probably know this. I would probably need to know this, but I don't. i mean, I think it's on our driver's license, if I'm not mistaken. But other than that, yeah, I wouldn't know where to find it Yeah.
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But anyway, don't know. I
Parallel Emergencies: Boone and Claire
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do think Sun was a very big, what's the word? Very big helper throughout this episode. Yeah.
00:14:23
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She was a key player in this episode. Very key player in this episode. She did great with literally everything. Especially, I think the main thing that I'm referring to is the sea urchin. Mm-hmm.
00:14:34
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So that, I think, was, I thought that was awesome.
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Yeah, that was that was really cool. She finds a sea urchin that has the... I mean, it's almost like needle-like spines on it. Yeah. And Jack's like, yeah, that could work. And before we get into our next flashback, and before I forget, we also had a little scene there with Shannon and Saeed.
00:14:58
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where Boone's going through this. Obviously, Shannon has no idea. And so this goes back to a previous episode where Shannon had alluded to that they needed to spend some alone time together. And so they find find a secluded beach where Saeed has planned a surprise picnic.
00:15:13
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So a nice little scene with your favorite on-island romance. I hate them. ha! i has I have no... have nothing to say.
00:15:26
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I hate i have nothing to say besides I hate them. I love Saeed as a character. I hate them. ah hate Shannon. I hate them. They don't make sense at all.
00:15:41
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like Like, not even close. Like, i could maybe get like a I could maybe get like a Charlie and in Shannon. You know, like, I can totally get a boon in Shannon. Saeed?
00:15:54
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No. Not, wait like, ah Hold on. so So a brother and a sister over Saeed and Shannon? Well, no, I'm saying I could get it because it's happened.
00:16:06
Speaker
Oh, right. Yeah. But... I don't know. i Like, but Sawyer and Shannon? Literally anyone but Saeed? Yeah. No, that's like the last one. i would like him and Locke and Hurley are like my bottom 30 that I would imagine dating Shannon.
00:16:27
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So I don't know. It just does not make sense to me. I hate I hate them. ah Well, I guess that's where it goes back to that whole polar opposites and attracting philosophy, right?
00:16:41
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Because they are polar opposites. Yeah, but does that really like... but i don't know, man. I didn't make the rules on that. I
00:16:54
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And then speaking of romances, in our next flashback, Jack is sitting playing a piano in a hotel bar. And Sarah walks up in her pajamas, tells him, those girls over there are checking you out.
00:17:07
Speaker
And they joke about that a little bit before playing heart and soul together on the piano. Those of you don't know what heart and soul is, it's the thing that goes, do, do, do, do. So all of you listeners, I know you know it.
00:17:21
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Jack, we find out, hasn't written his vows yet. So Sarah tries to take some of the pressure off. And she's like, hey, you don't have to do it if you don't want to. But Jack's determined to finish them. He says, I want to.
00:17:31
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I'm going to. i just need to figure out the right way to say it. And Sarah says, it'll come. So Jack is clearly struggling here, Nick. Yeah, I mean, it's so hard. Like, it's so difficult for him. And it's really obvious.
00:17:47
Speaker
I don't really know. For me, it doesn't make sense. I really, like, was thinking, like, if I'm Jack in this situation, like, make it make sense. And it just it just doesn't.
00:17:59
Speaker
It doesn't compute in my head. i don't know what to Mm-hmm. I don't know where he could go wrong and where he's like getting these thoughts, but I mean, he's getting them still. So I don't know.
00:18:09
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yeah I feel like they have chemistry. You can see it, but it's like half
Jack's Vows and Commitment Issues
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because Jack is like so unsure. Yeah. It's interesting.
00:18:26
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And then back on Island, we have quite a bit going on. We start off with Jen arriving at the operating area. And he informs Jack via son's translation that Claire is having the baby.
00:18:39
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Jack tells Jen, go back to Kate and Claire and sends Charlie along with instructions. Tell Kate she has to deliver this baby. And Charlie is still hoping that Jack's going to be there. But Jack's like, nope, I won't be going anywhere. is He's already busy pumping blood into Boone through a tube in his arm.
00:18:58
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And in the clearing, Kate is tending a fire. Claire is resting between contractions. And thinking they might be over, Claire tries to stand and leave, but then her water breaks.
00:19:08
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And so she begins to panic, continues to deny that she might be having the baby, but Kate reassures her, hey, Jack's on the way. It's going to be all right. And then Boone wakes up during the transfusion and tries to tell Jack about the plane, and he mutters how Locke told him not to tell about the hatch.
00:19:26
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Jack says, what'd Locke do? What hatch? But Boone slips back into unconsciousness before he can say any more. So we're going to have a problem sooner or later with Jack versus Locke on this whole thing, Nick, and the secrecy behind
00:19:44
Speaker
I can't. I can't have the island versus Locke. It's like my nightmare. Locke is like my favorite character, and we just had this Locke-centric episode, which made me like him even more.
00:19:57
Speaker
i know. Ugh! makes for good tv i don't know if i'm gonna side with lock or the rest of the island right i don't know yet um i also really like the way that claire acted out her distress i guess towards having ah child and how she actually how worried she really was and i think the acting was phenomenal with that part oh absolutely Yeah, I think that whole segment, I feel like that whole segment was great.
00:20:31
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Not because like, oh, yeah, she's actually having her baby. But I think it was really good in the fact that it kind of split Jack up and it made Jack's life more difficult and he had to make a choice.
00:20:42
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of am I going to save Boone or am I going to try and go and help Claire have
Hints of Future Conflict with Locke
00:20:47
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her baby? And he was like, I'm not going to, it kind of goes with the motif of this episode of like, I'm not letting go. I'm not going to let Boone go. So I'm going to stay here with Boone.
00:20:55
Speaker
So I think having them happen at the same time was a really smart decision because it gives us a little bit more into Jack's character, especially when his dad comes in probably one of the next flashbacks talking about Jack's commitment issues.
00:21:11
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I'll second that Claire comment. the i't I don't know how you pronounce it. think it's Emile DeRaven. might be Emily DeRaven.
00:21:22
Speaker
you But yeah, her acting in this show, even though the character of Claire, sometimes they've kind of pigeonholed her to being the pregnant woman at this point. Yeah. But her acting is phenomenal and her acting continues to get better throughout the series.
00:21:37
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. Okay, the only main question I have about this this whole episode is three things. One, and this comes from the Locke episode. Why did Locke have Boone go up there if he knew what the result was going to be? The island told him that Boone was going to die or be extremely injured.
00:22:02
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Locke knew this, and he still had him go through with it. yeah I don't understand that. I still don't have an answer outside of he's just so focused on you know moving to the next thing. He thinks it's his destiny that he completely glossed over everything. But but that doesn't seem like Locke. Locke isn't the kind of character to gloss over something like that.
00:22:24
Speaker
I will say I have a strong prediction that you might get that answer in the next couple of episodes. Okay, interesting. That is my prediction. who I don't know why Locke didn't say at that point when he gave Boone to Jack, like, oh, his legs got like he could have said his legs got crushed by a boulder because really the truth is he didn't get he didn't really i mean, he fell, but he fell off a cliff and then he was crushed by a boulder.
00:22:54
Speaker
That's fine. That could have maybe saved his life. ah Exactly. One of the reasons Boone is dead is because Locke failed to tell Jack that his leg was crushed. Yep.
00:23:05
Speaker
That's probably the reason that Boone is dead, is because of Locke's lack of ability to sell it to say that. So, I think Locke was a little silly there. Three, my third question... Why would, why would Boone say that? Why would like, you're dying, right? And you're saying like, maybe, I mean, maybe he's just more like, he's kind of not really thinking too much because he's in so much pain.
00:23:28
Speaker
i don't know. I feel like if you've kept this secret all this time, you're kind of unleashing a can of worms right before you die. and especially if you know you're going to die because you kind of say it towards the end, like, let me go. Like, you know, I'm going to die.
00:23:41
Speaker
but me die. You say that then like, you know what I'm saying?
Fatherly Advice and Determination
00:23:46
Speaker
No, I do. Totally. I mean, maybe, maybe the disciple Boone, who was Locke's disciple this whole time, realized through all of this that, you know, Locke didn't really care about him and he maybe felt like he needed to tell him.
00:24:03
Speaker
That's, that's truth. That's a very, it's a very big truth. Yeah. I don't really have much else to say to that. You just have a very good point. Well, every now and then I, you know, I quiet everyone.
00:24:16
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silenced the crowd. Every and then. Every now and then. and
00:24:22
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And then i won't spend too much time here because I know it triggers you, Nick. But back at the picnic beach, Shannon stops kissing Saeed to explain her complicated relationship with Boone, you know, minus a few of the gross brother-sister details that Saeed didn't need to hear.
00:24:38
Speaker
Saeed is understanding even when she tells him she wants to take it slow. And he also says that he had no expectations of the day. He said, I have hopes, but not expectations. So that was kind of a cool line.
00:24:51
Speaker
I agree. And then Charlie and Jen arrive with towels and hot water at the clearing where Claire has resumed contractions. Charlie gives the instructions to Kate that Jack had given him emphatically and tells her, you have to deliver the baby. And so Kate naturally starts freaking out and Claire is afraid. And Jen was trying to reassure her in Korean, which was funny.
00:25:16
Speaker
And then Kate, you know, kind of gets control of herself to help calm Claire down. And she tells Claire, I'm scared too. And then back in the caves, Jack has realized the blood transfusion isn't working.
00:25:30
Speaker
And son pulls the tube out of his arm and says he's given enough blood. And Jack talks about how he thinks that the blood is pooling in Boone's legs and that the wounds aren't consistent with a fall.
00:25:42
Speaker
And it's more like it was crushed. So that's, that's what you talked about earlier. And then Jack walks out of the tent and sees Hurley who says, Whoa, dude, You all right? You're looking kind of goth.
00:25:53
Speaker
And then Jack sends Hurley on a mission to get Michael. That was a great, great line there by Hurley. Fantastic line. I hate Sayid and Shannon.
00:26:06
Speaker
We get it. You don't even have to say it. It's understood. No, but you have to realize, like, you have to realize to the extent of which I hate them. Like, this is this Trump's Walt hate.
00:26:18
Speaker
Well, that's what I'm saying, though. If you ask our audience the two truths about our show, it's that Nick doesn't like kids and that he doesn't like Shannon and Saeed. Listen, Walt is on my good side now.
00:26:31
Speaker
That's true. But I hate them more than I did hate Walt. So... Yeah. Uh... and Good on Kate for helping Claire deliver the baby.
00:26:43
Speaker
i was kind of hating on Kate in the beginning of this episode, and this kind of helped it a little bit. However, this is not like an actual big thing, but if I were Claire and I told and I told you like, oh, I'm really scared to have this baby.
00:26:57
Speaker
The last thing i would want to hear is I'm scared, too. That would not make me feel better. It might have helped, but that would not help me. I'd be like, what?
00:27:10
Speaker
You're supposed to you're supposed to like be my be my rock. You're supposed to be my anchor, and you're scared? You know, like, be like, what? Yeah, ah I got to give props to Jack here for going on as long as he did with Boone.
00:27:27
Speaker
You got to respect it. Oh, yeah. I also really do enjoy Sun and Jack's dynamic here, and how Sun is more worried about probably the greater good for Boone and the greater good of the whole island while Jack is sort of hyperfixated on saving Boone.
00:27:44
Speaker
Sun is almost taking care of Jack in a way. Yeah, she's his reason. Yeah, and then the only thing i was a little upset about is i i was I wanted more Hurley screen time. I was very upset at the Hurley screen time.
00:28:00
Speaker
I thought we were robbed of more Hurley, to be honest. Because he's a great character. And we he had the one line at the beginning where he was like where Jack was like, don't faint, dude. And he was like, I'm i'm good. And then he had this, and that was it. And I was a little upset about that.
00:28:14
Speaker
Especially after we got Numbers. I feel like he was not very present in the past two episodes after Numbers. So, I don't know.
00:28:24
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's hard. And that's the thing about Lost with the way that it shifts characters and perspectives from episode to episode. It's hard to get all of the characters in each episode as much as you'd like to see them, you know?
00:28:37
Speaker
Yeah, especially Rose. Well, that's true. It's hard to get her at all. And then in our next flashback, this was a pretty cool scene. You know, up to this point when we've seen Jack with his dad, it's been largely negative. But this scene was actually fairly positive.
00:28:56
Speaker
You know, the first time we've really seen them happy together as a dad and a son. Jack is sitting on the edge of the hotel pool. He's got a half full bottle of alcohol trying to write his vows. And his dad walks up from behind and says, hey, kiddo.
00:29:11
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And. Jack's like, you know, i may not make a good husband, and I may have only proposed to Sarah in the first place because I saved her life, essentially.
00:29:23
Speaker
And his dad's like, well, do you love her? Then why are you sitting out here? And then when Jack asks if he should marry her, Christian says, commitment is what makes you tick, Jack.
00:29:34
Speaker
The problem is that you're just not good at letting go So pretty cool scene here, I thought. Yeah, i mean, we've seen a lot of Jack's dad, and I think I've had him at the bottom. I think I had him at the bottom of my character list, probably in Jack's first episode. I don't remember exactly, but this is a really good light for Jack's dad. He's kind of on the uprising in this episode where we actually do see him as father.
00:30:00
Speaker
And... and It's great. And it's such it's such ah also a heavy line where commitment is what makes you tick. Right. And then commitment is you don't like letting go or whatever. And it like once he said that, it's almost like it clicked and it made sense why he was so like, we need to save Boone. We need to save Boone. We need to save Boone. We need to save Boone.
Drastic Measures Considered for Boone
00:30:20
Speaker
That's just the kind of person that he is. He was the same way with the Marshall when he was trying to save the Marshall. So like it it makes sense. And yeah, it was just a really nice way to see his dad.
00:30:32
Speaker
And also saying, even saying like, hey kiddo, like whoa, whoa, that's so dad. so clearly this is when they're both surgeons. This is not like after he's kind of exiled him.
00:30:48
Speaker
Right. Yeah, this was definitely years before that. Yeah.
00:30:56
Speaker
And then back on island, Michael and Jack are at a nearby cargo container from the plane while Sun is is watching after Boone, who's definitely starting to take a turn for the worse.
00:31:07
Speaker
his His right leg is filling with blood, and Jack thinks that if he doesn't amputate it, he's not going to be able to save him. So what Jack and Michael are doing here is they're practicing with a log in the cargo door and trying to use it essentially as a be blade or a guillotine and they swing it down over the log and it just slices in half.
00:31:30
Speaker
So this kind of starts some interesting conversations about that. Back with the delivery party, Kate decides the contractions are close enough together and Claire needs to start pushing.
00:31:43
Speaker
Instead, Claire decides to hold her breath. She's trying to hold the baby in and Kate sees what she's doing. She's like, Claire, you got to have this baby. This scene was touching also because Claire really shared some of her hesitation here.
00:31:58
Speaker
And she obviously is is well aware that she tried to give her child away. And she's like, babies know that kind of stuff. And what if the baby picks up on it? And Kate asks Claire if she wants the baby now and if she wants it healthy and.
00:32:13
Speaker
Claire's like, yep. And so Kate's like, the baby's going to know that too. so finally Claire pushes and Charlie is, this was funny too. Charlie's off to the side trying to, wanting to run in and help. But Jen is like, nope, no, no, you stay.
00:32:27
Speaker
So that scene was awesome. And then back real quick to the cave. Boone has started coughing up blood and Jack and Michael moved Boone to the cargo door, much to son's chagrin. She's like, no, don't do this to him.
00:32:42
Speaker
And Michael doesn't have the stomach for it either, so Jack's like, it's all right, man, i'll I'll take care of it. You can walk away. And Sun is just, like, pleading with Jack, saying he's bleeding inside. You can't save him, Jack.
00:32:54
Speaker
And Jack says, don't tell me what I can't do. So I loved the fact that he borrowed Locke's catchphrase there. And then Sun walked away in protest while Jack was preparing to do it himself.
00:33:08
Speaker
Uh...
Contrasting Wedding Vows and Loss
00:33:09
Speaker
New worst nightmare. Crushing my leg and having the blood pool in it. Yeah. New new nightmare. Terrified. I think it's very interesting that the death wasn't because of the lack of the blood, it was the leg.
00:33:25
Speaker
And the lack of bleeding. Or sorry, not the lack of bleeding. The bleeding from the inside. ah is that It kind of went through a lot of twists and turns. First, we thought it might have been his chest. Like these different things.
00:33:36
Speaker
We kind of really didn't know what was wrong with Boone. it was kind of a combination of everything. And I think that was really, really big. I mean, crazy. Resorting to a guillotine for his leg. Crazy.
00:33:50
Speaker
ah The whole bit with Kate and Claire, I really just think that's a sweet bit. i don't really have a lot to say on it, but and think Kate really was there for Claire. And I think Kate is a really good character that is very passionate and has a lot of compassion for other people.
00:34:08
Speaker
Absolutely. And I've kind of been ignoring it, but like you see it a lot with Sun, Sawyer even, and we see it again with Claire here. Kate's just a very passionate character, and and it's really nice to see that.
00:34:21
Speaker
Agreed. Charlie did not need to get involved, and Jyn reassured him for that, and I'm i'm glad he did. i'm i was a really, really, really big fan of Jyn this episode.
00:34:32
Speaker
Yeah. Sun was... Very helpful this episode for Jack. And I think Jack just needed to listen a little bit more to son.
00:34:45
Speaker
I love Jack saying, don't tell me what I can't do. Love that. Yeah. Love that. We didn't get any luck to this episode at all. So it was nice to get a little reference to him.
00:34:58
Speaker
Yeah. Kind of just insane all the way around. Yeah.
00:35:03
Speaker
Absolutely. I agree with you completely on Kate. You know, she, she's probably one of the most, when it comes to caring about other people, she's probably one of the most genuine people on the island.
00:35:15
Speaker
And I think she gets, she gets a bad rap sometimes. That's probably not fully merited because again, it's interesting conversation with her character, right? If Kate was, I heard someone the other day say, if Kate was a man, if she was Locke or Sawyer or Jack, like, would we be as hard on her character as we are?
00:35:37
Speaker
I think that's a, it's an interesting question. I mean, I still think she's super annoying at times, but all of the characters have their, their flaws, you know? Yeah. Yeah. But she also has a lot to bring to the table, and she showed that in this episode. so Right.
00:35:54
Speaker
And I agree with you. Jen is growing on me a lot at this point. you know Early on, you just had the negative connotations with him, but he's definitely growing.
00:36:05
Speaker
And then in our next flashback, Sarah finishes giving her vows at the wedding ceremony, and the minister turns to Jack, and after struggling to get started, an emotional Jack says,
00:36:18
Speaker
I didn't write any vows. I couldn't and started to wonder why that was. I'm not good at letting go or maybe I'm afraid of what will happen if I fail. I know one thing, though, I would have never been able to write anything as beautiful as that.
00:36:31
Speaker
And you got it all wrong. I didn't fix you. You fixed
Boone's Death and Emotional Impact
00:36:34
Speaker
me. I love you, Sarah, and I always will. As the audience just soaked that in and and looked on and clapped.
00:36:42
Speaker
Yeah, I mean... That was pretty genuine. i think he's still conflicted in this moment. And I think he's going with it, hoping that the problem will solve itself.
00:36:54
Speaker
But then again, I really don't know. ah This is our last flashback, I think. But I am um very happy for the both of them. But it seems like he is not as in love with her as she is um with him.
00:37:08
Speaker
Yeah, definitely feels that way. And what about Matthew Fox, though? He is just such a good actor. And yeah we talk about how these Jack episodes are emotional.
00:37:19
Speaker
Matthew Fox is about 80% of that because he's just yeah so good at the emotional performance. He did a really good job. Yeah.
00:37:30
Speaker
And then back on island, moving right along here, just as Jack is about to amputate the leg, Boone cries, wait. And Jack says... if I don't take your leg, you're going to die, Boone.
00:37:42
Speaker
But Boone is telling him, just let it go, Jack. I'm aware that my injuries are fatal. And even if you take my leg, I'm probably going to die anyway. Boone says, I know you made me a promise, but I'm letting you off the hook.
00:37:55
Speaker
And he says, let me go, Jack. And finally, you just see relief across Jack's face and he stops fighting and he sits down next to him and he says, I'm sorry.
00:38:07
Speaker
And Boone says, don't be. And then in his last words, he tries to get out something to Shannon as he tries to say, tell Shannon, tell tell.
00:38:18
Speaker
And then he dies and an emotional Jack closes his eyes. So this was a really tough scene. Yeah. So when you asked me last week and you said, hey do you think Boone will die or yeah he we are we going to get our first death? And I was like, no, there's no way to kill Boone off.
00:38:36
Speaker
Well,
00:38:39
Speaker
Well, they did. Yeah. They did. Now that that's the first death, I think I can expect more deaths, that makes sense.
00:38:51
Speaker
Sure. I was kind of waiting for the first one, and then now I'll be a little bit more ready, I think. Mm-hmm. It's such an emotional moment, and especially, like, the whole, I'm letting you off the hook.
00:39:04
Speaker
Whew. It was really emotional. it was It was, I would argue, one of the most emotional scenes in the show. I'll put it probably top three, for me at least, for in in that and that light.
00:39:17
Speaker
Yeah. It was such a touching way to end Boone's storyline. And um now knowing that this is how he dies and this is his death, I think it kind of does change Boone's character for me overall.
00:39:31
Speaker
It really shouldn't, but I think it does in a little bit of a way. sure Because Boone has been a previous like a character that previously I haven't really been enjoying. But this kind of puts him in a different light. And I feel like I've been kind of crapping on Boone when I don't necessarily need to be.
00:39:50
Speaker
Almost taking him for granted. He went out with a bang because he he went out... to you know He stayed up in the plane because he was trying to radio someone. Right.
00:40:02
Speaker
yeah It was really, really, really sad to just Boone be like, you know, I'm done. You know, like, you're good. We're done.
00:40:15
Speaker
I still think it would be possible for Boone to survive. i think if they amputated the leg, he would have just lived just without a leg.
Life and Death: Claire's Baby and Boone
00:40:24
Speaker
i think that would have been possible. Yeah, that's possible.
00:40:29
Speaker
I also think, and this kind of goes into theories, I'm kind of jumping the gun a little bit, I think it's possible for the island to revive him.
00:40:38
Speaker
Just as I think it's possible for the island to revive Ethan. I don't think it's out of the cards that Boone is completely dead. That's one theory that I have.
00:40:50
Speaker
Interesting. But then again, i don't really, I really can't know until we get, you know, a little farther. See the island raise someone from the dead, right? chaio Then Then I'll... yeah I hear you.
00:41:07
Speaker
Yeah, and it's it's a good theory. it's It's one of those things that, you know, you have to ask the question, where where does the power of the island Yeah. We've seen it heal locks, legs.
00:41:20
Speaker
Obviously, there's some crazy things with this island, but what is the extent of the capabilities? And really, what is the island willing to do if we're kind of looking at it as its own character still at this point?
00:41:32
Speaker
Yeah, I completely agree that it's its own character.
00:41:42
Speaker
And then speaking of the island, back on island and in the jungle, Kate is continuing to talk Claire through labor. And finally, the head crowns and Claire gives one more big push.
00:41:53
Speaker
And she has a healthy baby boy. And Charlie and Jen celebrate. And then the next scene for me was the ah sort of the crowning moment for this episode for me personally. Mm-hmm.
00:42:08
Speaker
Claire carries her new baby out to the beach where she's warmly greeted by the rest of the camp as one of the great lost compositions called life and death is playing in the background.
00:42:20
Speaker
And another shameless plug here for the season one soundtrack audience, probably getting sick of me talking about the soundtrack all the time, but those of you watching the show for the first time, you know, crank that up in your background throughout your work day. Those of you that have computer jobs, like it's such a great backdrop for life in general.
00:42:38
Speaker
But anyway, back to our plot here. Hurley points out to Jack that Shannon and Saeed are returning from up the beach, and Jack walks over to tell Shannon about Boone.
00:42:49
Speaker
And then we pan to the caves where Shannon is crying over Boone's body. And, you know, we talked about this a little bit already, Nick, but no matter how we felt about Boone at times as a character, this was such an emotional moment in the show while that emotional soundtrack played in the backdrop.
00:43:08
Speaker
Yeah, I know it, but I don't say it enough on this ah show, at least. The soundtrack makes this show. It makes it so much better. And this is one of those moments that kind of resonates with you.
Jack's Anger Towards Locke
00:43:23
Speaker
Yeah. I think we kind of traded, kind of traded lives. We got Claire's baby and Boone's death. Yep. We lost one. We got one. Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:36
Speaker
And then as we close out our episode, back on the beach, Kate catches Jack as he's heading towards the jungle with a backpack and some water. And she tries to talk to him about Boone's death. She's like, hey, you need to chat?
00:43:48
Speaker
And Jack's like, about what? And she's like, Boone died, Jack. And Jack says, Boone didn't die. He was murdered. And she says, where are you going?
00:43:59
Speaker
And he ends the episode saying, I'm going to find John Locke. oh Pretty cool ending. Perfect way to end the episode, actually.
00:44:10
Speaker
Very perfect way to end the episode. I'm very excited for the next episode. Who didn't die? He was or he was murdered. Love that. Yeah. I am sad to see John Locke kind of have to fight people on this.
00:44:24
Speaker
I'm assuming there's going to be a lot of conflict, and it'll be interesting to see. Jack is going to be a formidable character. um We're probably going to get Dark Evil Jack.
00:44:36
Speaker
next episode we got a little bit we got like hints of dark evil jack this episode but i think we're gonna get real evil jack next episode so i'm kind of excited like i said already great way to end oh also that that's what i wanted to say there was one thing i wanted to say is the music shifts when he says boone didn't die music shifts he was murdered and it's like almost like intense it's like so intense there I feel like episodes either end on a cliffhanger or like like ah like a crazy cliffhanger, or they just they end like with a normal happy ending, if you will.
00:45:16
Speaker
Those are the two endings that I get. Yeah, and the the writers and Michael Giacchino do such a good job with those transitions because that was the same with the last episode with Locke, where it went from that super emotional scene where his theme song was playing very emotionally in the background, and then all of a sudden that light comes on in the hatch and it just switches to boom, dip boom boom, boom, you know?
00:45:42
Speaker
So I'm so mad that we don't know anything else about the hatch. They keep like giving it to us in like bits and bits and bits. And then, yeah, I feel like we wait so long.
00:45:54
Speaker
So how would you feel? if how would you feel about getting the answers to the hatch in season six? Would that work out all right for you? No. If you're like, if you're serious, and I will be so upset.
00:46:06
Speaker
If I have to wait six whole seasons to get the answers to that. am i Am I serious? If they drag it out six seasons? I'm a guy that is very serious, but am I being serious about this? Hard to say because I'm not allowed to steer the conversation or say anything. There's no way. i I refuse to believe that.
Reflection and Personal Insights
00:46:30
Speaker
Yeah, that's fair. You have to. All right, awesome. So I know we're going our rankings episode, but if you had to off the cuff rank this out of 10, what would you give it?
00:46:42
Speaker
ah What did I give the past two 9.2s and 9.3? i think so, yeah. I'll give this a solid 9, maybe a 9.1. All right.
00:46:55
Speaker
We've had a lot of really good episodes in a row here. Yeah, for sure.
00:47:00
Speaker
Yeah, I like this episode a lot. I don't know. I still want to like rank all of these against each other. Yeah, I'm totally going to do that. IMDB gave that one an 8.9.
00:47:12
Speaker
So it's it's right there. you know It's pretty close because IMDB ranks Machina 9.0 and Numbers was 9.0. Yeah. So... yeah so
00:47:25
Speaker
All right, awesome. Well, it is time for the most loved, most hated segment. This is the portion of our show where we talk about who we are loving and who we are hating on at the current moment, who's trending up or who's trending down. So as always, Nick, why don't cue us up?
00:47:40
Speaker
It was so hard for me this episode. Like this one really threw me through a confusing spiral. My most loved for this episode.
00:47:53
Speaker
Drumroll, please.
00:47:59
Speaker
Jack.
00:48:01
Speaker
All right. Yep. Agreed. First time that my my lock Hurley ah one two will be broken. My Locke Hurley 1-2 has been pretty undisputed, and Jack's breaking through there with this episode.
00:48:16
Speaker
I feel like I didn't get enough Hurley this episode to put him top three. We didn't get any John Locke this episode, and even though he's a really great character, he's kind of falling off with his recent decision.
00:48:28
Speaker
He definitely made a poor decision. Yeah. Yeah. So I hope he gets it back because i i enjoy John Locke so much and I like I like liking John Locke.
00:48:40
Speaker
I can't say that about a lot of characters and in media. i enjoy liking Locke. I can't explain it. Yeah. With that, number two. We'll go to Boone.
00:48:52
Speaker
All right. I think I kind of have to. And I'm not just saying that because he died. i really think this episode allowed me to think about his actions a little bit more.
00:49:06
Speaker
And I do want to give him a few points for his character, which I have definitely overlooked in the past.
00:49:16
Speaker
My last spot, really difficult. I think I'm going to go Sun. Yeah. I think she was great this episode, and I think her dynamic with Jack was fantastic.
00:49:28
Speaker
I loved it. Like every little bit of it, I loved it. great Honorable mention for this episode that I almost put in three was Jin. I think Jin is starting to make a huge comeback, and I think he will become a favorite of mine the more that we get of him. so I had a feeling, and before you get to your most hated, I'll jump in here. so On my most loved this week, we have a lot of crossover, but can I coin a new term today?
00:50:01
Speaker
Go for it. Instead of a you know top three or a trifecta, I have a five-fecta today the top of my list. So Jack, for me, agree with you. He's he's my favorite for this episode.
00:50:15
Speaker
Number two for me would be Kate, believe it or not. I think that Kate was super strong in this episode and and just showed her value. Number three would be the combo of Sun and Jin.
00:50:34
Speaker
yeah I'm throwing them in there as a combo, even though they were doing their own separate things, but I thought they were both great. Sure. Number four would be Claire. I mean, how can you not include the one who birthed the child?
00:50:48
Speaker
So you've got to put Claire in my favorite. And then, of course, Boone has to be in it because, you know, very emotional episode, and especially when we think about his sacrifice.
00:51:01
Speaker
Yeah, I don't hate that list. I think if I did have to do a top five, I think my next two would be Claire and Kate. Yeah. So I'm 100% in agreement with you there.
00:51:13
Speaker
Most hated, also very difficult. Really hard this episode. And my least hated out of the three, I'm going to put Charlie. i don't like that he's this low for me.
00:51:26
Speaker
He has high highs, but he also has very low lows. And I feel like for me, I'm more annoyed with him than anything else right now. yeah Just because of his immaturity. But at the end of the day, i think he is, he does have a ah good heart and he's trying. So I'll give that to him.
00:51:43
Speaker
My second most hated for this episode I seriously don't even know who I would put here. Because I know I can tell you that my most hated is Shannon. Right. For sure.
00:51:55
Speaker
so So therefore, even though she was fine in this episode, she still has to be in your list if you hate her that much. Right? No, because I feel like, i don't know, I feel like
00:52:09
Speaker
I mean, it's not at least 15 minutes talking about how much you hate their relationship this episode. Well, hold on, hold on, hold on. I feel like like it's not directly her fault, but at the same time, how long was... Like, that was a whole day.
00:52:26
Speaker
was whole day that that Boone was just dying, and she didn't know. You know? Right. I don't know. I feel like in in some way that's almost bad.
00:52:39
Speaker
I don't want to say like a bad sister because it's not really her fault. But at the same time, i don't know. I feel like it's just like she is to blame in some way. I don't know why. I can't put my finger on it.
00:52:51
Speaker
Also, I hate her and Saeed. Anyway, um he ah my second most hated... I really don't know, i because i would be I would be tempted to say Saeed, because, you know, I hate the both of them together.
00:53:04
Speaker
But he didn't really do anything. No, Saeed's fine. He's not doing anything. Yeah, Saeed's fine. just in love. Yeah. I don't even, like, and feel like there was no bad character.
00:53:20
Speaker
You know what? I know what I'll have The baby. there i have it the baby
00:53:27
Speaker
The baby is my second most hated. Yep, that tracks. yeah for fit Like, i just need to fill the slot.
00:53:39
Speaker
I need to fill the slot with something. i didn't hate anybody in Jack's flashbacks. I can't pull from there. no one was ah like was No one was bad this episode.
00:53:50
Speaker
i would maybe be compelled to say Locke, but I'm not putting Locke in my bottom three. That's, like, unheard of. All right, well, let me rip the Band-Aid off. I am putting Locke in my bottom three for this episode.
00:54:04
Speaker
And it's all based on his poor decision, which really probably cost Boone his life, because if Jack would have known what had happened, he could have treated Boone. It's true.
00:54:16
Speaker
So, unfortunately, Mr. Locke has gone into my bottom three this week. I'm with you that Charlie is kind of annoying right now, so he's definitely been trending downward.
00:54:27
Speaker
And then Shannon has to still stay in my bottom three just because she's Shannon. Fair. But it was a hard episode, right? It wasn't like, no, it was very, it could have gone anyway.
00:54:39
Speaker
Yeah. Except for the mention of what he did last at the end of last episode, Locke wasn't in it. Shannon didn't do anything really that annoying unless you just really hate the relationship between her and Saeed. Then, then you could be annoyed.
00:54:52
Speaker
And Charlie was annoying, but most hated. That's pretty strong still because I still really like Charlie's character, but that's just kind of where we're at right now. I agree.
00:55:04
Speaker
right. Awesome. Well, you had some theories and predictions that you talked about throughout the episode, but what else? Anything that we, obviously we've got a lot coming and it is likely to be a huge shift in the dynamic.
00:55:21
Speaker
And we've we've kind of talked about this leader thing in previous episodes. I feel like we're really moving towards some resolution there where it's going to start shifting and you're going to have Jack, you're going to have Locke, you may have others that arise.
00:55:37
Speaker
Yeah. um I don't think i have very many theories for this episode. i was sort of just mourning. It's mourning Boone this episode.
00:55:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:51
Speaker
I feel like there wasn't much for me to go with. I don't really know. Yeah, that's fair.
00:56:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:04
Speaker
All right. Well, that brings us to the end of another great episode. Up next is episode 21 of season one called the greater good. So I can't wait to continue this journey and get into that episode. But when you hear the greater good, Nick,
00:56:20
Speaker
Where does it take you as far as which character the episode will be focused on? Sadly, I cannot make a prediction for this one since I already know the answer. Oh, no.
00:56:32
Speaker
Well, here's the thing is I needed to watch the episode on Hulu instead of Netflix because I was trying to watch the first half in school ah during one of my free times.
00:56:45
Speaker
And Netflix won't work at at the school. Hulu does. But the way that Netflix does it is they do it in a column. So if I scroll down to episode 20, I can't see 21 unless I scroll down more.
00:56:57
Speaker
Hulu does it in chunks of three. And so when I scrolled down to see this episode, I also saw that this next episode is a Saeed-centered episode.
00:57:09
Speaker
All right. Well, that's all right. Was that the only one that got ruined for you? i i think the one after Saeed is a Kate episode. I could be wrong.
00:57:22
Speaker
Oh, you're right. You're right. Yeah. So the next two are a little are spoiled for Come on. Dang Hulu. But that's OK.
00:57:32
Speaker
i will i will start another streak come season two. And I have my intention of trying to oh because what was my streak at? Probably like four, right? I think so. Yeah. From before. So I have my, and my intention is to break that streak and to hopefully get higher.
00:57:51
Speaker
All right. Well, I think that's a fun goal. Yeah. So are you, are you feeling about another side episode next week? Uh, I'm excited. I really did like the other Said episode.
00:58:02
Speaker
It's kind of foggy in my memory. When I do my ranking, I assume it'll be pretty middle of the pack, if not on the higher side, maybe a little bit. I think ranking them is going to be extremely hard, but I'm very excited to get a second one, since he is one of my favorite characters in the show.
00:58:22
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. Such a good character.
00:58:27
Speaker
Well, thank you so much for listening in to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. Be sure to join us next time. Watch episode 21, The Greater Good, and join us for the discussion. And don't forget to subscribe, follow, and leave a review.
00:58:40
Speaker
And we'll see you next time. We will see you next time.
00:58:58
Speaker
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