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The Other 48 Days + Collision Recap
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We finally see the survivors of the tail section in ‘The Other 48 Days,’ where Ana Lucia, Mr. Eko, and others reveal the brutal challenges they faced. Then in ‘Collision,’ tensions explode as Ana Lucia clashes with the main camp in the wake of tragedy. Our millennial uncle recalls how these episodes expanded the Lost universe, while Nick gives fresh insight into the blending of two survivor groups and the rising conflicts that threaten them all.
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Transcript
Introduction to Podcast
00:00:21
Speaker
Terrific. You're listening to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. I'm Aaron DS and I'll be rewatching Lost along with my nephew Nick who will be watching it for the very first time.
00:00:37
Speaker
So come along with us and enjoy the journey.
00:00:42
Speaker
Let's get lost. Let's get lost.
Hosts' Perspectives on Lost
00:00:51
Speaker
Hello, hello, and welcome back to The Lost With My Uncle, a Lost Rewatch and First Timers podcast. I'm Aaron DS, and I'm something of a self-proclaimed millennial lost superfan, I guess.
00:01:06
Speaker
And I'm Nick, the nephew who is now completely and utterly obsessed with the show and honestly mad at you for not making me watch it sooner. Oh, that's fair.
00:01:18
Speaker
i own that. Well, we're about to dive into two episodes that are going to continue to mess with your head in the best possible way.
Preview of Upcoming Episodes
00:01:27
Speaker
We've got the other 48 days and collision and Nick, these are some heavy hitters.
00:01:33
Speaker
They, I mean, they really are. i especially the second one, especially collision, very, very heavy episode towards the end there. Absolutely.
00:01:45
Speaker
And as always, we love hearing your feedback listeners.
Listener Engagement
00:01:48
Speaker
Please feel free to send us your comments, questions, theories to lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com. Again, that's lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com.
00:01:59
Speaker
So without further ado, let's get lost. Let's do it.
Analysis of 'The Other 48 Days' Episode
00:02:05
Speaker
So our first episode tonight is episode seven, and it's called The Other 48 Days.
00:02:12
Speaker
And this one isn't a traditional character-centric episode. Instead, it's very special because it shows us what happened to the tail section survivors, or the tailies, or the other survivors, as you like to call them.
00:02:26
Speaker
And it kind of chronicles the same 48 days we've been following our beach camp folks, but it's all on-island events with no flashbacks. I actually really liked this format.
00:02:38
Speaker
It was kind of nice having not a character-centric episode. And don't get me wrong, I love the character-centric episodes. But it was nice to see one, you know, because we really haven't had one of those since the pilot.
00:02:51
Speaker
Yeah. that's The pilot episodes. So and I really enjoy it. And I guess um the Exodus episodes too, because that was kind of a flashback to everybody, but I really liked it. I love how they structured it.
00:03:03
Speaker
The whole it's it's, it's lost same Island, same timeline. completely different experience and a lot more more brutal we get to see and also i really liked the fact that they would give us like day one day two and then like it would kind of skip some like day seven yeah skip some day 12 day 15 uh day 21 day 34 you know like whatever i loved that yeah absolutely that was a really cool approach
00:03:33
Speaker
And the episode opens with the tail section crash, and right away we see how different their survival story is versus our other losties. see And Anna Lucia wakes up in the ocean and immediately takes charge along with Mr. Echo, who is saving people left and right, pulling them out of the ocean.
00:03:51
Speaker
So Nick, what do you think of the tailies on island crash versus our original survivors and just some of these early character and world building scenes? um it was different, but the same, but different.
00:04:07
Speaker
If that makes sense. It does. a lot of parallels, uh, between some of the characters initially, Anna seems okay, but we all know, you know, what becomes.
00:04:20
Speaker
She's kind of the Jack of the, of the group, but a lot less empathy. I really enjoy getting to see things from the perspective. And of course we get a lot of good character building and a lot of good scenes with Anna, Echo, Libby, Cindy, Goodwin.
00:04:37
Speaker
Nathan, even Bernard, I feel like we we learned a little bit about them. And we saw some of them step up, especially Libby. um There's also these two kids that survived. And you know, that teddy bear is flashing in my mind, like I remember it from somewhere.
00:04:56
Speaker
Yeah, anyway, pretty crazy.
Nick's Take on Episode Format
00:04:59
Speaker
Yeah, we also see that Bernard almost died, and then Anna and Goodwin find him and save him, basically. He was stuck in a tree and they saved him, so good for them.
00:05:13
Speaker
Yeah, that was wild. And I would say this episode was really fun. Just seeing a plane crash through a different lens with a different set of
Musical Elements in Crash Sequence
00:05:21
Speaker
players. And the music during the crash sequence is so different, too, where Michael Giacchino uses these harsh discordant strings that immediately tell us it's going to be a darker story than what we saw with the fuselage survivors.
00:05:34
Speaker
Speaking of the crash, we need to talk about Mr. Echo. Because he is... literally soaring in my rankings. Yeah.
00:05:45
Speaker
He's awesome. Rescues a bunch of people post-crash, pulls out dead bodies, comforts Bernard when he asks if there's any African-American bodies in the water by telling him, I will pray for you and I will pray for the rescue parties too.
00:05:58
Speaker
So we learn, similarly to John Locke, Echo is the John Locke of the group, in a way. Yeah. i've I've been noticing a lot of parallels.
00:06:10
Speaker
I think you could also make the argument that Libby is a Jack type of character. Yeah. But she also might be, like you know, because she's, you know, ah kind of Dr. E as we seen for as we see in the one scene where she fixes the guy, Donald, I think is his name, his leg. Yeah.
00:06:28
Speaker
We see that. But she also kind of has, I don't know, she gives a little bit of Kate vibes to me as well. So. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting you know that we found out she was a clinical psychologist, and she really uses those abilities and her limited medical knowledge to help set that leg when she's talking to Donald. That was pretty cool.
00:06:50
Speaker
Right. you And to your point, Echo is just phenomenal. And I think he and Locke are going to have some potential interesting conversations coming up if or when they meet.
00:07:02
Speaker
Mm-hmm. And after the initial stage setting and character intros, it doesn't take long for things to get serious.
Character Development: Echo
00:07:10
Speaker
So you mentioned the day one, day two, day 15. I thought that was cool also.
00:07:15
Speaker
And so on day one, we see that they're attacked by the others while sleeping. And they wake up to sounds of struggle. And when they come out of the clearing, they find Echo all bloodied with huge rocks in his hands. And there are some dead others.
00:07:30
Speaker
And all of a sudden, Echo goes silent on day two, and he's not talking to anybody anymore. This guy named Nathan comes running up saying, three of our people went missing.
00:07:42
Speaker
Yeah. ah love Echo. Just going say it again. He's freaking awesome. and And they have they have kids. And Anna's survival instincts kick in. And she's like, we got to get off the beach, get somewhere safe.
00:08:00
Speaker
But then you also have, you know, Cindy explaining what we already know about the plane being two hours off course because they crashed and that they won't know where to look. So they kind of have to stay on the beach.
00:08:14
Speaker
Yeah, that was ah kind of the planted there, obviously, by the writers, but very similar to how that we had those conversations over on Losty Beach initially. yeah I don't know why I call the other one Losty Beach since the whole show is Losty Beach, I guess. Yeah.
00:08:30
Speaker
yeah just my No, I get it. I get it. It makes sense.
00:08:35
Speaker
And as we continue to move through the initial days on Island, the injured are dying left and right. Echo still isn't speaking, but he is taking some time to carve that really big and nice stick that he would later use to shellack Sawyer, Jen, and Michael.
00:08:50
Speaker
he And Libby even tries to tell him, hey, it wasn't your fault. You were just defending yourself. And then we've got the others coming for more people and the kids. Man, it's just getting crazy.
00:09:03
Speaker
I mean, if it's ah it makes it makes the Losties, it makes it look like they were having it nice. i mean, these are brutal weeks. Yeah. And in that list, too.
00:09:16
Speaker
At first, wondering how do they have a list of names? Right. And how do they know what they look like? Obviously, as we get further into the episode, we find out that they had a, you know, spy.
00:09:28
Speaker
But still, why in the world are they taking people? And what constitutes who makes that list, you know? Yeah. And we kind of get a little bit of a reason, but not really.
00:09:43
Speaker
But I want to know more. Yeah, for sure. That is so interesting. And by day 15, our group is on the move and has really thinned out. At this point, we're down to, I think, seven. We're down to Anna Lucia, Mr. Echo, Libby, Cindy, Nathan, Bernard, and Goodwin.
00:10:02
Speaker
And Anna Lucia is becoming pretty unbearable, but really she's just doing her best to try to keep them alive. And she then becomes convinced that they have a spy in their midst and digs the pit that we'll later find our raft survivors thrown in.
00:10:18
Speaker
Yeah. And then Libby doesn't do, Libby doesn't do her any favors. No. You know, saying saying Nathan creeps her out and he went to the bathroom for two hours.
00:10:32
Speaker
Right. So she goes and puts him in that pit. He's like, edge they're brutal to him in there. Like, seriously, Echo doesn't like it. like Still not talking, but he does not like it.
00:10:46
Speaker
Yeah, and Echo's kind of like this moral compass for their group, even when he's not speaking, which is pretty cool to see. And poor Nathan, yeah, being drilled by Anna, Lucia, and and knowing he isn't going to be able to say anything at this point to talk her down. And Goodwin even says that later in the episode.
00:11:06
Speaker
He's like, you know, if you cut off his fingers, he was going to tell you he was still on the flight. Mm-hmm. But that moment where she starts throwing rocks at him is just crazy because he had food behind his back that Echo had given him.
00:11:20
Speaker
and then the Goodwin scene with Anna where he tells her that she should let Nathan go and ask her if she has any kids. And she hesitates, which at the time you don't really read a lot into it until maybe the next episode. But it's all kind of foreshadowing what we find out in the next episode.
00:11:38
Speaker
You're and extremely right. i actually didn't catch that hesitation there. That's crazy. Just as we think, Goodwin decides to rescue Nathan from the pit, snaps his neck and kills him.
00:11:51
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. I mean, that twist was, I mean, it was a twist. I kind of saw it coming. Did you? With the amount of Goodwin that we were getting and the amount of lack of Nathan we were getting, i totally saw it.
00:12:08
Speaker
So Goodwin was the the other one. and he kills Nathan to protect his cover. And probably one of the first times I've ever said this, but I'll probably say it multiple times. Anna Lucia was right.
00:12:19
Speaker
She was right to be paranoid. She was right.
00:12:23
Speaker
She was. And that leads to one of the best confrontations so far, probably in the whole series, when Anna Lucia finally figures out Goodwin's the spy and confronts him on the hillside. She's asking him stuff like, the day the plane crashed, you came out of the jungle and you weren't wet.
00:12:41
Speaker
Did somebody see you? Is that why you infiltrated us? And where are the kids?
00:12:47
Speaker
Amazing scene. Amazing scene. Amazing Anna Lucia.
00:12:54
Speaker
What I actually think is when she asks about the kids and he's like, the children are fine. They're better off now.
00:13:01
Speaker
I think something that's really crazy and actually a really good attention to detail is In that conversation, after she addressed that he was the other, he got 10 times creepier.
00:13:17
Speaker
Like Ethan creepy. He got Ethan creepy. He got Ethan creepy. so i'm i'm So now I'm confused. Because you have Ethan...
00:13:31
Speaker
a recap. The others, and in this is in my mind, the others are the people that took Walt. The other others are the people that Anna Lucia's group are dealing with and also, um...
00:13:46
Speaker
The other others are, i think the others are the people that were sent for the Dharma Initiative and the other others were, are kind of just like they were there before and they were, you know, they're a little more barbaric, if you will.
00:14:00
Speaker
So I was under the impression that Ethan was an other. And so Goodwin would also be an other. But now that I'm realizing it, I do think that there are other others. Yeah.
00:14:12
Speaker
both I'm just confused. Yeah. But I'm just confused how they have such normal clothes and all that kind of stuff. And there's very like compared to the, the other, other others that we've seen. Right.
00:14:27
Speaker
That we've, that we've seen where they're like barefoot and they're in these clothes with no tags, no symbols, no nothing, you know? And like, they have no pockets. They don't have anything, you know?
00:14:38
Speaker
Yeah, no, I hear you. It's stuff like that. So I think there, I'm really curious to to know. And then also, the only last thing i'll say is Anna asked him about the list and he said, he was like, only the good people were on the list.
00:14:58
Speaker
Yeah. Or something along those lines. Right? Yeah. so so I wonder what he means by good people. Like, good people how?
00:15:11
Speaker
Right. You know, and like and if so, why wasn't Anna, Bernard, Libby, and Cindy on that list? We still don't know what happened to Cindy.
00:15:22
Speaker
No, we don't. I'm actually a little ticked off about that, that they didn't cover that in the next episode. They didn't cover about where Cindy, they kind of just left Cindy and didn't really think about her.
00:15:36
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Although, if they focused a little too much on Cindy, I would have been annoyed that they were focusing too much on Cindy. Anyway, I think I'm just being picky.
00:15:48
Speaker
It makes sense why Anna Lucia killed him. And good for her. Yeah, for sure. And can I just say, am I the only one that needs a glossary of Nick-isms?
00:16:00
Speaker
We've got the others, we've got the other others, and the other other others. No, we don't have the other other others. We don't have the other other others. I was saying... That was just my brain. My brain was hearing the word others so many times.
00:16:14
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was saying the yeah what the the different other others. Gotcha. all right. That's what I was trying to say, and it came out as three others. All right, well, the listeners would still like a glossary by the next episode. All right, don't worry, i'll I'll give you one.
00:16:31
Speaker
Awesome. But yeah, the the way the that whole scene played out and the way Anna Lucia holds out the stake just as he is trying to like do some kind of... he was doing like a you know It reminded me of the Obi-Wan versus Anakin duel. Yeah. ben the sit Where Obi-Wan had the high ground. And obviously this a little bit different, but I get you.
00:16:57
Speaker
But yeah, that was crazy. And a couple of other topics that I wanted to raise from the tailies this episode, Nick, number one, we get to see them discover the Dharma arrow station where they were hanging out in the previous episode and,
00:17:11
Speaker
They little bit of fun exploring that and they find a couple of interesting things in a box, a glass eye and a Bible. So it'll be interesting to see if either of those things come back around later.
00:17:23
Speaker
And second, we actually get to hear the walkie conversation between Boone and Bernard, which was cool. Yeah, I completely forgot about that. I like 100% completely forgot about that whole thing.
00:17:39
Speaker
I hadn't really originally when I watched it, I didn't catch the other end that said where the survivors of flight 815. So it's really cool confirmation that it was Bernard. And Anna Lucia kind of shutting it down immediately and being like, it's them.
00:17:53
Speaker
Right. You know, like, don't get your hopes up. It's them. you know? Yeah. It's really cool to see both sides of that whole interaction. It's like, everything's kind of weaving together and I love it so much.
00:18:08
Speaker
Also, as much as I... haven't liked Anna Lucia in the past. The scene with Mr. Echo. Yes. You know, and all the all the crying and him finally talking and him being like, it's been 40 days.
00:18:22
Speaker
She's been like, you haven't talked in 48, 40 days. You waited 40 days to talk. He says, you've waited 40 to cry. That was awesome. Dang, Mr. Echo. Dang. Yeah.
00:18:34
Speaker
And then him with it. It's going to be OK. He's so awesome. He's great. He's great.
00:18:41
Speaker
Yeah, that was so good. And then as we close out our sort of montage episode that we've had here, we catch up to the present day with Jen running through the jungle screaming, others!
00:18:53
Speaker
and meeting Michael and Sawyer on the beach. So seeing that scene again, but now understanding what Jin had just been through was but so different. Now we know that he wasn't just running from some random attack. He had just witnessed the tail section survivors.
00:19:07
Speaker
And when Anna Lucia, Mr. Echo, and Libby capture our guys, we understand why they're so aggressive. Yeah, it was... I really liked this episode in general. I mean, on-island flashbacks gave us, like, everything that we needed.
00:19:21
Speaker
It was a really different style, but I loved it. We also got to see like the the the Shannon and Saeed whole interaction, kind of. and it was a perfect transition. Absolutely.
00:19:35
Speaker
Any last thoughts on the other 48 Days before we dive into Collision?
00:19:42
Speaker
I really liked it as a whole. I actually, I loved the style. I loved the style. I think in this, you know, in this section, like I said, last episode, will probably I'll probably be comparing the two episodes that I just watched.
00:19:57
Speaker
And it it gets kind of close with me here. But I think episode eight, Collision, will probably win it out. i think this episode was done so well.
00:20:11
Speaker
Like, actually so well. Absolutely. I don't think there was any other way to tell their story than the way that they did it. Yeah. I loved the format.
00:20:23
Speaker
I loved seeing how paranoid Anna Lucia was. And I loved... how well, like, they they made me feel paranoid at some points, you know? And they had me questioning if it was Nathan or if it was Goodwin, and like, so many different points.
00:20:40
Speaker
And Anna Lucia figuring out, like, all that stuff, beautiful. Like, it was it was a beautiful, perfect blend. And I also really like how the show makes you think that the others killed Goodwin.
00:20:54
Speaker
Right. When in reality, he was part of the other others, I guess I should say. When he was a part of, you know, that crowd. Yeah, for sure. Also question.
00:21:05
Speaker
And this, you know, this could be question or theory. Question, not really a theory. How many others are there? Or how many other others are there? Like, no, like seriously.
00:21:18
Speaker
Because I mean, Echo killed two. and they took And they took a total of 12 from the camp. So are they what are they doing with the hero? He might have killed some other ones too, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah And Anna Lucia killed one on the other night too.
00:21:36
Speaker
So how many other others are there? Yeah, there must be a handful. that's what That's what I'm like so curious about.
00:21:48
Speaker
that's what That's what I want to know, is how many are there? like Seriously. and are they and When they're pulling these people, are they like converting them to be other others?
00:22:01
Speaker
so With Ethan and in Goodwin, in like like are they are they like i said are they converting them, or are they like killing them and like eating them.
00:22:12
Speaker
Cause like I, I was, I was keen on the cannibalism, and think a few episodes ago. And actually when we had a moment with Michael Sawyer and Jen Sawyer was like, yeah, they're going to eat us.
00:22:24
Speaker
So I was like, okay, I, you know, like, like I'm, I see where you're coming from. I thought the same thing. So I wonder what the other others are doing. Yeah. Good question.
00:22:36
Speaker
I would venture to guess that we will get some of those answers this season, especially with how apt our friend Michael is to run off into the jungle. Yeah, correct.
00:22:48
Speaker
I doubt he's going to be able to sit still for, you know, more than like two episodes. I agree.
00:22:56
Speaker
Awesome. So moving into our next episode, which is episode eight of season two called Collision. This is Anna Lucia-centric episode. The writers waste no time bringing us into her story as we actually start off with flashbacks.
00:23:12
Speaker
And the episode structure is brilliant. We're jumping between her flashbacks, showing her past as a cop, and then the present day collision course between our two groups of survivors. So what do you think of her backstory?
00:23:24
Speaker
It was pretty crazy. um' I'm not going to lie. It was it was crazy. Did it change your opinion of her yet at all? Yes. Yes. Remind me to talk about Anna Lucia in The Most Loved, Most Hated, if she doesn't crack, if she's not in My Most Loved or Most Hated, because okay that i'm I'm actually still piecing that together, My Most Loved, Most Hated, so remind me to talk about that.
00:23:45
Speaker
But um seeing her as an LAPD officer like who got shot by a suspect, and she had, like, you know, during, like, a, you know... She had to let go ah you know let go. And then finding out she was pregnant and lost the baby because of this shooting explains so much.
00:24:06
Speaker
Like, actually so much. It does. And that revenge storyline where she tracks down the guy who shot her and kills him... While telling him I was pregnant right before she shoots him, that was chilling.
00:24:20
Speaker
And it just shows that she's always been someone who takes justice into her own hands, like it or leave it. Yeah. When she was like, i was pregnant.
00:24:33
Speaker
Jaw on the floor. Yeah. I would have never known. And it makes and it makes sense You know, like, when she hesitates. And it also makes sense when she asks Saeed later in the episode, do any kids?
00:24:48
Speaker
Yep. And he's like, do you? And she's like, nope. it like It, like, it clicked. Right. right And then her mom being the the captain who has to, like, cover it up and let her come back on the force.
00:24:59
Speaker
The family drama mixed in with this. Extremely well done. Extremely well done. For sure. also love that... honest partner on the force is the actor that played Abraham on the walking dead.
00:25:14
Speaker
i don't know that you've gotten far into the walking dead. I have not. He was definitely one of my favorite characters on there for a minute.
00:25:25
Speaker
And then in the present day on Island, we see the immediate aftermath of Shannon's death. So he pulls his gun on Anna Lucia, but Mr. Echo stops him and knocks him unconscious after a muddy fight.
00:25:38
Speaker
Uh, Echo, I will give you props forever and always. Love how he takes control the situation. i love that they kind of have like a little bit of a scrap. You know, like I wouldn't i wouldn't expect Saeed to be able to hold his own as much as he did.
00:25:53
Speaker
Yeah. i live for Yeah. And Lucia forcing Libby at gunpoint, you know, to tie Saeed up. Yeah. Taking the vines from Sawyer's stretcher.
00:26:05
Speaker
so i mean, ah the whole thing was just kind of nuts.
00:26:10
Speaker
It really was. And then Echo finally just makes a gut decision and he's like, you know what? I am just going to pick Sawyer up, throw him on my shoulders and I'm taking him to his camp and Anna Lucia questioning him on it.
00:26:26
Speaker
He's like, I am taking him to his camp. And after that happened, Michael dared Anna Lucia to shoot him because he was trying to give Saeed some water and she had ah her gun raised on him again and So the tension was pretty incredible on this.
00:26:43
Speaker
I will say that was like a, okay, Michael. That was an okay, Michael moment. Yeah, I agree. Like like I said, he he kind of he really fluctuates for me. Sure.
00:26:55
Speaker
Sometimes, like like, again, special is my favorite episode so far that I've watched. yeah And he's like, up there. I love to drift. But then again, i understand and I have my moments where I dislike Walt. Like, Walt!
00:27:10
Speaker
Shush. Right. But, you know, whatever. He was like, I dare you to shoot me. i was like, okay, go off. i was like, tell him. was like, tell him.
00:27:21
Speaker
And that's also the moment where Michael michael tells Saeed about Walt and how he was taken. And Saeed, you know, when he realizes he didn't believe Shannon, you can see the regret. You can see the guilt. You can see how much he misses Shannon. You can also see how much he, like, how much he feels bad for Walt, you know, and have, you know, for Michael. like you Like, the actor does a really, really, really good job.
00:27:52
Speaker
Yeah, that was a tough one.
00:27:55
Speaker
And Anne and Lucia is completely panicking and falling apart at this point. She's convinced that Saeed and the others will never stop hunting her to get revenge. So she makes this deal with Michael. She's like, hey, you go give me supplies I can disappear into the jungle and live alone, and I'll let your friend go free.
00:28:15
Speaker
Yeah. And, you know, meanwhile... we get this, you know, the, the losty beach where, where Jack joins Charlie, Kate and Hurley playing golf.
00:28:26
Speaker
Yeah. The contrast. It's such a contrast. Yeah. Yeah. And when Jack misses a shot and goes into the jungle to find it, perfect transition for our reunion. Yay.
00:28:41
Speaker
i know. Right. We see Mr. Echo arriving, carrying Sawyer and the fun golf match kind of goes out the window. And they bring Sawyer into the Swan Station. The countdown timer is going off, but Jack has to focus on treating Sawyer. And he's like, John, the button.
00:28:57
Speaker
And then we hear it roll back, so we know that John entered it. And then the two men of faith, Locke and Mr. Echo, meet each other for the first time. Well, first of all, I love Jack.
00:29:08
Speaker
telling Locke about the button. I love that. Yeah. I actually think that's, like, amazing. That was pretty funny. And, like, Jack almost believing him a little bit. Like, you know, believing it a little bit.
00:29:19
Speaker
Loved that whole interaction. But... The Echo and John, i'm not going to say I was disappointed. i want more. That's really what I want, is I want more.
00:29:31
Speaker
they They didn't really get much to talk about. Mr. Echo exploring the swan, he sees the Dharma logo, and he knows that he's seen the Arrow Dharma logo, too. Finds the gun closet, and then tells Locke there was a mistake. a girl was shot and killed.
00:29:47
Speaker
And explains her. Locke immediately knows. Yeah, and Locke naturally it asks him, why can't they come back with you?
00:29:57
Speaker
And Echo's like, no, they can't come back right now. And he's asking Echo if he could take Locke to them, and Echo's like, nope, not after that gun room I just saw.
00:30:09
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. And in our next scene, you know, like, Sawyer won't take the pill. Yeah. I mean, and Kate's kind of like, all right, you're going to do this.
00:30:20
Speaker
You kind of have to do this to save your life. And, you know, Jack responding with like ah I never really learned about the whole whisper in the ear trick in med school.
00:30:31
Speaker
Hilarious. A little jealousy there, maybe. And this right after Jack and Kate had been all flirting on the beach while playing golf. So you knew this was coming as we all knew Sawyer was on his way back for a collision course.
00:30:46
Speaker
And then we also have Jack questioning Mr. Echo and ready to just grab rifles and storm out for a rescue mission. And I love Echo's response here. Anything I say will only make you angry. So yes, I will sit here.
00:31:00
Speaker
Yeah. I do feel bad for Jack. Sure. It's kind of playing a hard game. It's kind of got a love triangle here. Yeah. I really, I really hope the Michael, Jin, son love triangle doesn't come back. I don't want that to be a thing.
00:31:19
Speaker
Me either. I really don't want that to be a thing. And also, Anna Lucia being there now throws Jack in a position where Jack's going to start, you know, kind of being in love with Anna Lucia.
00:31:32
Speaker
so there's that.
00:31:35
Speaker
Echo's amazing. Loved Echo's response. And they're loading up guns to leave. And Locke is telling him, like, don't do this. And Echo, with his amazing response, what do you want?
00:31:51
Speaker
Peace? Revenge? Justice? Because you're storming out with a bunch of guns. awesome And Jack is like, I want my people back safely.
00:32:01
Speaker
Which makes sense. And Echo is like, Anna Lucia made a mistake. Jack is like, Anna Lucia? Oh, crap.
00:32:13
Speaker
And Echo's like, I will take you. Only you. No guns. Awesome scene.
00:32:24
Speaker
And back in the jungle, Anna Lucia starts interrogating Saeed, asking if he has children, like you mentioned. And the conversation gets really dark when Saeed talks about how he used to torture people and maybe she was meant to kill him.
00:32:38
Speaker
And Anna Lucia's response about feeling dead since she was shot and how she lies to Saeed about never finding her shooter. Thought that was interesting. think I can't feel sorry for her, but I also can.
00:32:52
Speaker
You know, like... when When she, like, frees Saeed, drops the gun, drops her sword, and is like, pick it up. I deserve it.
00:33:03
Speaker
Yeah. And Saeed, with his, what good would it be to kill you if we were both already dead? Hmm.
00:33:15
Speaker
Steph's kiss. Nah. He walked away. the most powerful moment in the show, maybe about violence and revenge. yeah I mean, it's, it's beautiful.
00:33:28
Speaker
It really was. And of course, Saeed was the bigger person who does the right thing.
00:33:38
Speaker
And then as we close out our episode, we get those beautiful reunions at the beach and man, this, this part of the show was just phenomenal. We've got Bernard and Rose,
00:33:50
Speaker
finally finding each other again. je and son embracing. Yeah, Rose. Yeah. yeah And Bernard. Yeah, that one.
00:34:01
Speaker
and Yeah, it was yeah beautiful. So good. Agreed. Yeah, it was so good. And then we have Jin and Son embracing after Jin takes off in a run across the beach. And again, so emotional after all the darkness and things that they've been through.
00:34:18
Speaker
And even Vincent the dog running up to Michael. I mean, that amazing might have teared me up a little bit, even given my case for Michael, generally speaking.
00:34:29
Speaker
I mean, i will say this, this got, this got close to some tears. only Only close, huh? We couldn't crack it yet? Only close. You couldn't crack me yet.
00:34:40
Speaker
Okay, well, the show will it will crack you before it's all said and done. I guarantee it. That's good. That's good. That's good. I really like this episode. i think ranking these are going to be so unbelievably hard.
00:34:56
Speaker
Oh, for sure. And the soundtrack, too. I felt season one, part three finale, like I felt it. Yes.
00:35:07
Speaker
Yeah, the way that they brought that back around, so good. I mean, you talk you talk about the soundtrack a lot, but I like i noticed it. I really noticed it during this Awesome. Yeah, it's it's so moving. I mean, I've been i've had that final orchestral piece going through my head since I watched the episode a couple days ago, and then I just turned on the last scene again tonight,
00:35:35
Speaker
and watched it and I was just as emotional as I was when I'd watched it two days ago. Yeah. mean, it's amazing. And even the final shot of of Jack and Anna Lucia meeting face-to-face while Saeed is carrying Shannon's body in the background, it's just haunting.
00:35:51
Speaker
You know, you got these two people who met at the airport and had a drink, now meeting under tragic circumstances, and Lost continually doing the contrast of of life and death or love and death so well.
00:36:07
Speaker
I mean, the episode really just highlights how well the island... brings out both the worst and best of people. You know, we see it with Dark and Light ah Jack, and also with Anna Lucia and her trauma.
00:36:21
Speaker
But then you have these moments of human connection and forgiveness between the two of them.
00:36:31
Speaker
For sure.
00:36:35
Speaker
Well, these two episodes really showcase Lost at its finest. You've got complex character development, you've got multiple perspectives on the same events, and consequences that feel both shocking and inevitable.
00:36:49
Speaker
So how did you feel but these two episodes stack up to the rest of season two so far? Well, thought they were both really strong episodes. I think, as of right now, season two is giving us a lot of info that season one didn't do.
00:37:07
Speaker
i mean, season one just kind of raised a lot of questions and was all about character development and character building. This is building, building characters, you know, we see with the other survivors, but,
00:37:19
Speaker
it's also answering so many questions. And it's also giving us answers like about the others. Seeing all that stuff with Goodwin, amazing. um Amazing. I love stuff like that.
00:37:30
Speaker
I want to dive more into that. Do I care about the supernatural properties of the island? Yes, 1 billion percent. But at the end of the day, I'm probably just going to get some supernatural answer that I'm not necessarily going to be like,
00:37:45
Speaker
super like, wow, like, it's just, go they're just gonna be like, oh, the island has special properties. Well, duh. You know, but like, with the other others, or and the others, there's a reason they're doing that.
00:37:58
Speaker
There's a reason they're doing what they're doing. And I cannot wait to find out what it is. And I want to know if because right now they seem creepy and weird. I want to know if when they actually explain that to us, if they actually explain that to us, if that creepy and weirdness is actually creepy and weirdness, or if it's just coming off that way, you know, and they're actually, like, reasonable people, which could be totally possible.
00:38:22
Speaker
So, but, anyway, to answer your question, these two, I want to put them in the middle of the pack, because I think they are episodes that are really good, but they're, and don't know. i feel like neither of them are really high on my list.
00:38:40
Speaker
So I would probably put them at like the top, but like the top quadrant of my list of season two so far. If we're, don't even ask me to rank them against ah season one. Season one.
00:38:52
Speaker
I'll wait until we watch all of Lost and then and then ask you to go through tier ranking exercise. I might try and weave in the season two episodes as I go. That's fun also. i have been doing that. i might I might just try and, like, I might go back to my list and might say, you know what?
00:39:14
Speaker
you know, let me go back through my list and let me say, did I like Collision better than Special? No. Did I like it better than Walkabout? No. Right. Did I like it better than, know, let's just skip a few.
00:39:27
Speaker
Cowboys have the best daddy issues or whatever. Yes, probably. You know, like, you know, kind of like, weigh it off of that and find a place for it.
00:39:37
Speaker
Yeah. no that makes sense.
00:39:41
Speaker
Awesome. Well, let's jump into the most loved, most hated segment, the portion of our show where we talk about which characters are trending up and who are we loving in the episodes and which characters are the most hated or trending down.
00:39:55
Speaker
So who impressed you most in these episodes?
00:40:01
Speaker
I mean,
00:40:04
Speaker
it's really hard. It's like stupid hard. I was actually thinking about this earlier today. I don't think I know. i think I have a top three for you.
00:40:17
Speaker
My top three, from least loved to most loved, but will be Anna Lucia in my three. Might be shocking. That is shocking.
00:40:28
Speaker
I think she did redeem herself a little bit. I think her paranoidness was actually kind of normal. especially after seeing the other others take three of them on the first day, it makes sense.
00:40:42
Speaker
And after the list too, and after she caught Goodwin, it makes sense. And I do really like her character and I do think her character can go somewhere in' it interesting. I don't like how rude she is. I think that's my main thing.
00:40:54
Speaker
And I think sometimes she's rude or she's kind of crazy. That's the only thing I dislike. everything else, I think she's actually a phenomenal character, like written wise, I think she's written really, really well. That's my number three.
00:41:05
Speaker
My number two would probably be Saeed. Yeah, which I actually didn't think I would have him up there. But the reason I do have him up there is because ah for two reasons.
00:41:18
Speaker
One, the ending of ah Collision where he is, you know, we're both already dead. Like, beautiful. That whole interaction between the two, like Anna Lucia and Saeed, wonderful. I actually was thinking there might be a sort of love triangle thing going on where Jack likes Anna Lucia and so does Saeed.
00:41:37
Speaker
But that'd be kind of weird considering Anna Lucia killed Shannon and Saeed was not other one. Anyway, Point being, the actor's performance of Saeed in this episode was amazing.
00:41:48
Speaker
Where he like shouts like, untie me now. Beautiful. i Like he really did an exceptional job. Saeed like really earned points here for me. Number one, we're not really surprised.
00:41:58
Speaker
Mr. Echo.
00:42:02
Speaker
I think it's going to be really hard for me to gauge whether I like John Locke or Echo better in an episode or a set of two episodes. And I think it's really just going to come down to how much of them i get.
00:42:14
Speaker
These two episodes, we got no John Locke. So I can't confidently put John Locke in my top three knowing I didn't get i didn't get any of them. So exactly Echo, for me, takes that number one spot.
00:42:26
Speaker
I think if we get a good amount of Echo and a good amount of John Locke, I think it's going to be really, really, really hard for me to decide which one I like better.
00:42:36
Speaker
Okay, my my least, my most hated. This is where it gets really, really, really, really hard. don't even know who I want to put down there.
00:42:47
Speaker
I think at my least hated, and this also might be a little bit of a shocker, I think I'm going to have Goodwin there. And the reason he's in my least hated because obviously he was in other other and I hate that, you know, because like that's creepy.
00:43:04
Speaker
But on the other hand, I kind of don't want to put him lower because I loved his performance and I loved his writing.
00:43:15
Speaker
You know, like, like I think they, they, they cued him up so well, like so well. how he came off so lovable and you really trusted him.
00:43:29
Speaker
And especially the fake with Nathan and like the reveal too. Like the reveal was really good. Like, like I'm telling you when he changed to be like that creepy Ethan type, loved it.
00:43:42
Speaker
loved it yeah it was pretty crazy too because we didn't talk about this but after he snapped Nathan's neck the next morning he's laying there on his arm staring at Anna Lucia with a creepy grin on his face and right but exactly he's creepy and I really like it It's the same thing with Ethan. When I had Ethan in my bottom three, I didn't necessarily want him down there.
00:44:07
Speaker
He was just down there because he was an other other. But I really like the creepiness. I mean, that sounds kind of crazy, but like it plays into that element.
00:44:18
Speaker
And I don't really like horror at all, but I really do like what they're doing with this, where they're kind of putting you on the edge of your seat. It's not quite horror, but they're putting you on the edge of your seat. Love it. Yeah.
00:44:29
Speaker
Okay. My two and three. My second most hated...
00:44:37
Speaker
i guess I'll put Nathan there, which might sound stupid, But to be fair, Nathan was extremely suspicious. He was, and he like like i knew he didn't to... He didn't do anything to prove it. like he went to the He did go to the bathroom for two hours.
00:44:53
Speaker
Why didn't he just say, no, you weren't going to bathroom for two hours. What were you actually doing? Mm-hmm. I feel like he could have explained it so much better and he could have avoided, you know, he could have avoided his death, you know, if he just was a little bit smarter and explained a little bit more about himself.
00:45:13
Speaker
Yeah. and it is possible that Nathan was also an other. Another other. other Rather. i don't think it's likely, but I think it's it's also possible.
00:45:28
Speaker
Who is Jason? I feel like there was the name Jason that I might just be making things up. But I thought there was someone named Jason.
00:45:39
Speaker
who is Who is Jason? I'm looking it up. I don't even remember. Because now I'm now i'm curious. Oh, oh, oh, no, he was in this episode. He's he's my bottom. He's the one who shot Anna Lucia.
00:45:53
Speaker
Oh. Jason McCormick. Yeah, yeah, okay. I remember saying to myself, oh, I hate Jason. And I just had to look it up Jason McCormick. Okay, so. That's right. That's who that's who he is, Jason.
00:46:06
Speaker
um He's probably at my bottom. So my bottom three is not very interesting, but it's what we're at. Well, my bottom three and my top three are pretty interesting.
00:46:18
Speaker
Okay. They're pretty close to yours, so that means yours are pretty interesting, too. Okay. I'll do my bottom first. So I am going with with Jason to get the shot.
00:46:29
Speaker
Yep. I'm also going with Nathan. I agree with you that he was just kind of a crappy personality and didn't do anything to talk anybody out of the fact that he was and another.
00:46:42
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And then... Sorry. The writers tried to get me to feel sorry for Anna Lucia. And I just could feel a little bit with the pregnancy. i definitely feel that.
00:46:55
Speaker
But just as a character, she's still my bottom. ah That makes sense. I get it. So I actually have similar most loved because I also have Saeed. He's probably my second favorite of the episode.
00:47:10
Speaker
His response and choice not to choose revenge was just so powerful. Yeah, I agree. And Mr. Echo right now is the undisputed reigning champion of Most Loved. Yeah, yeah. Until someone else can dethrone him. Yeah, yeah.
00:47:25
Speaker
And then the other person that makes it into mine, it's actually a flip for me. I've got Goodwin in my Most Loved because, like you said, the character is just so awesome. And I'm like, it's really cool.
00:47:37
Speaker
Yeah, I want to know more about what he was doing on the island. You know. That makes a lot of sense.
00:47:47
Speaker
Cool. Well, let's move on to any theories and predictions that you have floating around in your mind. mean, you've talked a little bit about your others and your other others. I usually sprinkle them in I don't really, I feel bad because I feel like I don't really have much for this end of the segment because I usually just say it if I think about it because I don't want to hold it to the end because I'll probably forget about it.
00:48:07
Speaker
Yeah, that's okay. This is just to, you know, tie up any loose ends or... Yes. Something that I definitely want to mention. There's a few things that I want to mention um just because I don't want to forget about them.
00:48:23
Speaker
Sure. And it made me think about it with the um the Bible and the glass eye. Mm-hmm. really made me think about the dead Nigerian preacher that John Locke and Boone found.
00:48:37
Speaker
So it made me think about that. So I don't want to forget about that. I also don't want to forget about the backgammon pieces that were found in the cave. Yes.
00:48:48
Speaker
With the Adam and Eve bodies, the backgammon pieces that were found there. I don't want to forget about that. And I also don't want to forget the dead individuals at the bottom of the lake with the briefcase full of guns.
00:49:03
Speaker
Oh, okay. I don't want to forget about any of those things. I also don't want to forget about Danielle, because she's still out there. Yep. And they said that the swan was station three of the Dharma Initiative.
00:49:23
Speaker
Which means the arrow is either one or two. My guess is that the arrow is two. The arrow was really small. I don't even know what they were. We don't know what they were doing at the arrow. We know what they were doing at the Swan, which was hitting the button.
00:49:39
Speaker
We don't know what they were doing at the arrow. And why is the arrow so much crappier than the Swan? Like the Swan has everything. it's like books, ping pong table, food, all this kind of stuff. But the arrow is kind of just like an outpost.
00:49:53
Speaker
Considering they said Swan is three, i was thinking that they had different stations on different islands, maybe. But now that we've seen Arrow, it makes me think that there's at least a third bunker station, whatever, somewhere on the island.
00:50:10
Speaker
So I wonder if the other others or the others, you know, whatever you want to say, I wonder if they are in the original first bunker, whatever that station is called.
00:50:22
Speaker
That's, I guess, a theory that you could you could say. i don't want us to forget about Desmond because he's still out there. yeah He might be dead, but he's still out there. think that's all the theories I have right now.
00:50:35
Speaker
I like it. Yeah, yeah. Those some really good ones that you brought up. Yeah, I want i want answers. I'm not going to tell you that they're all really good, and I'm not going to tell you which ones are good ones, but you I will say you brought up some good ones.
00:50:51
Speaker
Okay, that's good.
00:50:54
Speaker
I also think that the backgammon pieces tie into Locke a little bit because he does mention backgammon in the first episode. Yeah. So. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see.
00:51:07
Speaker
Yeah. Love it. Such such a fun show. Yeah, I agree. And that's a wrap for our deep dive into seasons two, episodes seven and eight. So another two episodes in the books and it's all right with you. I'd like to do something we haven't done yet this season.
00:51:24
Speaker
I can't believe we haven't done it as I was thinking back, but I'm going to throw out the next two episodes, which we'll discuss in our next podcast. going to throw out the titles and see if you can guess which characters off Island flashbacks we will see on those episodes.
00:51:40
Speaker
Yeah. All right. I mean, i'm excited to get back in this this field because I want to you know, get my streak going. Yeah. Well, you should get a pretty good start on the first one because the first one for our next episode is titled What Kate Did. There's no way you'll get that one.
00:52:00
Speaker
It's Kate. Yeah. All right. You got it. Ding, ding, ding. And then the second one is called The twenty third Psalm.
00:52:10
Speaker
So what say you? Okay.
00:52:16
Speaker
I'm going to go Echo on the 23rd Psalm. Echo really, you know, is the other man of faith we seem to see. But from what we've from what we've seen, it seems, I said a lot of that.
00:52:29
Speaker
John Locke isn't super religious faith. He's more like island faith. Echo seems to be more religious faith. So I think that the Pissom 23rd or the 23rd Pissom is 100% Echo.
00:52:47
Speaker
Well, you would be 100% correct.
00:52:51
Speaker
Echo episode. Yes. I'm excited. Oh, you're going to love it. You're going to absolutely love it. excited. I'm so excited. Hey, be excited about the Kate episode too. I think you're going to it.
00:53:04
Speaker
I know that that's not typically... Every single Kate episode has just been so lackluster.
00:53:11
Speaker
I... Yeah. i don't I don't agree that every episode. But I think we differed on that one episode. I wasn't a big fan of it.
00:53:22
Speaker
The one with her and Sawyer it was pretty good. but that But that wasn't a Kate episode. That was an outlaw. or That was a Sawyer episode. No, that was a Kate episode. Born to Run. Oh, Born to Run.
00:53:34
Speaker
yeah right now i I thought it was okay. I know. Can't measure up the special. Oh, can't measure up the special.
00:53:48
Speaker
Big fan. Yeah. Send us your thoughts and theories, listeners. We love hearing from fellow castaways on this emotional and exciting lost journey.
00:53:59
Speaker
And seriously, if anyone spoils what happens next I'm going to strand you on a mysterious island with polar bears and smoke monsters and bunch of others and a bunch of other others.
00:54:16
Speaker
And you're not going to like it. All right. You heard it, folks. Don't mess with that guy. Until next time, keep questioning and remember that every perspective tells a different story.
00:54:29
Speaker
Until next time. Woo-hoo!