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Maternity Leave + The Whole Truth Recap
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In ‘Maternity Leave,’ Claire’s memory returns, revealing chilling details about her time in the Others’ camp. Then in ‘The Whole Truth,’ Sun and Jin grapple with a pregnancy that raises big questions about trust—and timing. Our uncle revisits how these episodes deepened the island’s mystery, while Nick pieces together new clues about the Others and shares his theories on who’s really pulling the strings
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Introduction to 'Lost with My Uncle'
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Terrific.
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You're listening to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. I'm Aaron DS and I'll be rewatching Lost along with my nephew Nick who will be watching it for the very first time.
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So come along with us and enjoy the journey.
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Let's get lost. Let's get lost.
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Hello and welcome back to The Lost with My Uncle, a Lost rewatch and first timers podcast. I'm Aaron DS, a proud millennial rewatching Lost for fifth, sixth time. It's hard to count at this point.
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And I'm Nick, the Gen Z nephew who wasn't the least bit convinced about Henry Gale and his telling of the truth. And can I just say, especially now, after how we left off episode 16, that I was right?
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and i Can I say that? All right, all right, all right. You can say it right, Matthew McConaughey. ah Gotta get that in where you can get it in.
Episodes 15 & 16: Themes of Trust and Doubt
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easy Today we're diving deep into episodes 15 and 16. So we're going to get into maternity leave and the whole truth. And let me tell you, these episodes are going to test all of our faith in people's honesty.
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e Let me tell you, I'm already stressed. You know, we've we've got Henry Gale, who is mysteriously in a balloon. b s by the way.
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ah And he's locked up. And now you're telling me that there's even more trust issues outside of a man who's been lying this whole time. I can't handle it. I actually, i i told you, but now I'll tell our viewers, I watched this night after we had recorded one of our episodes, and I watched the two of them right after we were done recording, which usually I don't do. Usually I wait a few days.
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yep And I try and do it close to the recording day. I couldn't wait. So I i i watched it. Worst mistake of my life because I was up so late and I was so anxious because I, you know, it was dark out and there was lights on my TV so I could see my own reflection in the TV. So I had to turn off the lights and it's already dark.
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but I had to turn off the lights and we have this maternity leave episode, which is so creepy and is so scary. And I was like, I hate this because I'm in the dark and I'm watching a scary thing and I have anxiety, but I mean, it kind of did add to it a little bit. So I do have to, i do have to put that in.
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Nice. Well, and it was also the, you know, generally speaking, it would not have been the worst decision of your life because we would have recorded on our normal schedule, but this week our schedule got way off.
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We each had things that we had to kind of shift around and, So that now you've been waiting for an eternity, it feels like. I know. i really and I regret taking notes. I'll make sure I do that for the next set of episodes.
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Awesome. Well, I'm excited to get into it. And as always, we love hearing your feedback, listeners. Feel free to send us your comments, questions, theories, predictions, all that fun stuff to lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com.
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Again, that's lostwithmyunclepod at gmail.com. All right, Nick, let's do this, man. Let's get lost. Let's do it.
Episode 15: 'Maternity Leave' - Claire's Flashbacks and Panic
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So again, episode 15, the first one we're going to cover in this episode is called Maternity Leave, and it's a Claire-centric episode. But here's the twist, Nick. Instead of traditional flashbacks to her life before the island, we're getting flashbacks to her time with the others when Ethan kidnapped her. Remember way back when she disappeared in season one?
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Yeah, i remember. And ah I've been thinking about it every single episode. Not really. I kind of forgot about it. But I'm very, very, very excited to get into it.
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And especially since I didn't like the other Claire episode, this is extremely refreshing to get another one and kind of like a redemption because, and I'll say it now, i think maternity leave is probably my second favorite episode of this season.
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Wow. I think want to say. Nice. Or it's, it's definitely, it's definitely a top, it's definitely a top three. Awesome. Because have a lot of, I have a lot of contenders up there, but this one I really, really, really did love.
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Instead of the traditional flashbacks, right? We get these amazing ones and I've been dying, you know, D-Y-I-N-G dying to know what happened.
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And That's insane. Like the whole thing that happened is insane. The flashback sequences are creepy. I was jumping up, you know, in my seat watching and seeing Claire like, like drugged up thinking that she was like in Australia is extremely disturbing.
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Exactly. And our episode starts with baby Aaron getting sick. He's burning up with fever, has this rash and Claire is absolutely panicking.
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And Jack tries to reassure that babies get fevers all the time. But then... Don't tell me. Don't tell me. Russo shows up being ominous and cryptic, right?
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You are learning. Russo always has that ability these to just come out of nowhere, appear mysteriously. and but She tells Claire, your child is infected and is sick, which, as you can imagine, sends Claire into full mama bear mode.
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ah Yeah. And I mean, wouldn't anybody? ah Yeah. Rousseau showing up in the middle of the night, first of all, creepy. It was in they always you know what they always do in Lost is they they have a character show up and then they pan to him on the camera so that it's like they've been there the whole time and they do like a musical sting. And it's like, oh, when did you get there?
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It's a oh, my God. Terrifying. and And, you know. She said, your child is infected and is sick. i I thought she was going to kill Aaron like at that moment.
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If anybody knows how to make an entrance, it's Rousseau. Yeah. And here's where it gets interesting. Claire starts having these fragmented memories of her time with Ethan. And she starts remembering being in what looked like a medical facility, getting injections. Yeah.
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But again, she was so drugged up that I think the whole time she thought she was still in Australia getting ready to fly to L.A.
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Yeah. And I mean, the medical facility was a lot more advanced than I would think for, you know, being on an island and, you know, seeing Ethan, the way that we saw him, which was, by the way, awesome that we got to see him come back.
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um yeah And seeing him be all, like, gentle with, like, drugged up Claire and caring was almost, in a way, another level of creepy. Not in the same level of creepy as we saw him when he got caught as another,
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really really, really, really, really creepy. ah The way he talked about the injections just being for the baby's health and pretending like, you know, he was adopting, you know, Aaron and helping her and saying, we're good people is incredibly manipulative. But at the same time, that could honestly be how Ethan sees it and how he is, um you know, thinking about it. So that might be a theory ah ah is maybe the others think they're doing the right thing.
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Yeah, that's definitely, well, I'm sure they do, right? Like most people, most people think they're doing the right thing. um Right. So yeah, it's interesting. As we, as we learn more, it'll be just interesting to see if they are doing the right thing.
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Mm-hmm. And so Claire actually starts working with our resident island psychologist, Libby, and she starts remembering more and more. remembers Ethan telling her that they need to give the baby injections, saying, we have to make sure this baby stays healthy. And the way he says it, though, suggests that it isn't just standard medical care.
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Yeah. And yeah first of all, that's incredibly and just utterly disturbing. But what were they planning to do with baby you?
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Yeah, that's the million dollar question. But here's where the episode gets really tense.
Searching for the Medical Facility and Discoveries
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Claire decides she needs to find that medical facility to get medicine for Aaron. So she, Kate, and Danielle Rousseau go on this trek into the jungle together.
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e And of course, Rousseau knows exactly where this place is. There's this, I mean, fantastic moment where Rousseau, you know, tells them about how her child was taken, her baby Alex, when she was one week old. And...
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ah ah the may amazing for the actress who actually pulled that off but you know her like her voice breaks and she's like you know they said she was sick and it's like almost a parallel we see with Claire and um my baby uncle so I mean it's happened before right the others taking babies claiming they're sick you know is that their thing Right. Like, are we going to wait for, you know, what happens at the end of 18? And maybe that's something else. I mean, what do they want with these children? Because they took the other two from the plane. Do they just want to raise others like as soon as they're out the womb?
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Yeah. Well, first of all, they need to leave your baby uncle out of it. And then secondly, it definitely seems like taking children is their thing. yeah And when they find the medical station, which is this underground Dharma facility, Claire starts remembering more. There's this young girl there. She's maybe 15, 16, 17, and she's got dark hair. So dark Russo, it's about the same age.
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I mean, i like that they added that in and The timing makes sense. And she seems conflicted about helping Claire being loyal to others, but and and she inevitably does.
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In my mind, that is Alex. I have no doubt in my mind that that is Alex. I don't think that's just a random other that's deciding to... Yeah. You know, be different. And i was wrong thinking that Alex was a guy and I own up to it. I believe ah because ah originally in the first episode, she said my child.
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She never said daughter. Yeah. Maybe she did say daughter and I just breezed over it. But I thought it was a guy. I don't think she ever said daughter specifically. So i I thought it could be.
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And then I think actually on one of the most recent episodes when we were talking about it, maybe two or three episodes ago when we were, when Alex took Kate, I was saying, I thought it was a guy, but it could be a girl.
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And then I like changed my mind. I was like, no, it's definitely a guy, but it is, it's a girl. So I, that's my mistake. And I will own up to it. Hey, it's all good. Look at you taking the responsibility, connecting the dots.
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So it was Alexandra is what we find out. And yeah,
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Here's what's really messed up. Claire remembers this girl helping her, being kind to her, but also being torn about what the others are doing. So obviously Alex is not, you know, happy where she's at.
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And right back to your point about the medical facility or station that they're in. It's a very fascinating story. seen from a world building perspective.
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You know, it's clearly yeah the dhar more of the Dharma initiative. You've got the logo, the 70s aesthetic that we're getting used to. and then you've got all these medical supplies, vaccines, equipment, and different types of rooms in there also.
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Yeah, so this kind of debunks my theory um from before that there's a but there's three stations on ah the island, or at least three, ah one being um the Swan, one being the Arrow, and now one being the medical facility.
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So um is Swan is correct, right? I'm not making that up? Correct. Okay, I thought so. So I was i was thinking maybe they were camping out in the third one, but it maybe not because there's no one there.
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But it's also possible they moved because it seems like when we were in season one, that's where all the others were camping out was that medical facility. So I guess we don't know. But point being, they have this extremely sophisticated operation here that we know nothing about, and I can't wait until we find more about it, find out more about it but...
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ah Claire, you know, doesn't find the vaccine that she was looking for, but she does remember everything. And I mean everything with the help of Libby and the help of Rousseau and Kate. And we also find out that, you know, we find some new things from Kate who was snooping around. So um I can't wait to talk about that too a little bit.
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Yes. And Rousseau, we also find out Rousseau is actually trying to help Claire the whole time. You know, we... The show had kind of painted it as if Danielle was the villain, you know, and we find out that's how she got the scratches on on her arms.
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Rousseau was actually trying to help. So what a plot twist. he Yeah, I i want to say it was a plot twist, but I don't even know if you could consider it a plot twist because it kind of makes it kind of makes a lot of sense.
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Because, I mean, from the get-go, Russo has been sketchy, but it wouldn't make sense. for I mean, it kind of actually um kind of makes sense. don't know thinking about it because she lied about the others in the finale of season one. So I guess I can't really even say that. But I saw that coming from a little bit.
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you know, a little bit down the road, like ah a possibility of, you know, that's not how things unfolded. But the more I get the character, I am enjoying Rousseau more and more, especially like the story behind her actions.
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And i really love how Claire gave her slight hope, was able to take that. But a right after that slight hope, Rousseau was like, if your baby is sick,
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I hope you'll know what to do and have the strength to do it. And it was really was really creepy. Yeah, it was. But I do agree that I am liking Rousseau more and more the more that I get to know her character.
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Yeah, it's also interesting with the sickness or you know perceived sickness or quarantine stuff right I feel like if ah feel like if there was some kind of sickness, that some of our survivors would have gotten sick and died already. So it's just interesting what's going on with that. and we'll get back to we'll get back to the Kate stuff that she found a little bit later.
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But there's also this subplot this episode
Mr. Echo's Confrontation and Claire's Decisions
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with Mr. Echo wanting to see Henry Gale. First, we see him in the jungle chopping wood and working on something. We're not sure exactly what he's working on.
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And then he heads over to the hatch to borrow a saw. And while there, he sees the armory door open and realizes they are harboring a prisoner. So he confronts Jack and tells him, I'll keep it a secret as long as you let me speak to the prisoner.
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And when he finally gets his audience with Henry, it's this intense, quiet conversation where Echo tells the story about his first night being dragged into the jungle, how he killed the two men.
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And then he asks Henry for his forgiveness, to which Henry is like, why are you telling me this? Um... Let me just say again how much I love Echo and how he is probably, if we got a little bit more of him in ah in a few of these episodes, he'd probably make my list. He might actually still make my list. I don't know.
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But yeah I mean, it's it's great to see him on screen again. and Henry's reaction to that being like, okay, especially since I think he's another, in his head, he's like, okay, this is the guy that killed two of our guys.
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Yep. Look out. Because what? The original Lost people, I think you call them the Sandys or the Beachies. I don't i don't know what call them.
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The Losties. But they, yeah, the Losties. They um think of these are beaches they have killed... you Yeah, I mean, i mean they killed they've killed Ethan, and that's it.
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But, I mean, Echoes killed two, Anna Lucia killed one, or Anna Lucia killed two, technically, because she also killed, what's his name? I want to say it's Goodrow, but it's not. That's a hockey player.
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Goodwin. Yeah, killed Goodwin. So the Tayleys are kind of crushing the Losties in terms of others killed. So I just think that Henry is extremely suspicious and Echo is kind of, he sees right through it.
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Oh yeah, for sure.
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And we also got this incredible scene this episode with Claire opening up about how she wanted them to take Aaron and but now she realizes that they're supposed to be together and take care of each other and that she loves him so much. And i absolutely love that scene as we've really seen Claire struggle with the concept of motherhood and whether she should keep Aaron and, you know, the psychic telling her she's not supposed to raise him. who Yeah, it it was a night it was a really nice touch and i it played into Claire's character a lot and I appreciate that.
00:18:54
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For sure. And then the way this episode ends is just perfection. John enters Henry's cell, offering him some food. And Henry reveals that he heard an earlier conversation through the walls about books and authors.
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So the two are philosophizing. Philosophizing. it word? Yeah, I think it is. I don't know. I'll say the two... i'll see the two philosophize, there e we go, about morality and schools of thought and before Henry comments about Jack, I just don't understand why you let the doctor call the shots.
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And Locke immediately disagrees saying, we make decisions together. That was such a good scene. I mean it really was and it hits Locke hard, especially after he you know goes crazy and throws all the dishes down and the look on Henry's face when he hears it.
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Didn't give away a ton, but ah that was enough for me to extremely solidify his his ideas and his motive, which was which is not an innocent man.
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Yeah, so
The Others' Costumes and Identities
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intriguing. And hopefully over the next few episodes, we'll get some more answers about what he's doing and what his endgame is, but it's very interesting. he And can we talk about Zeke's appearance this episode?
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is Previously thought to be the other's number one commander in chief, but Claire overhears him chatting with Ethan and asking, what do you think he'll do when he finds out?
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So clearly he answers to someone, Nick. i Yeah. And he had no beard and no rustic, scary look.
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He looked like ah like a VP of a company. That's really what he looked like. Not, you know, an other that's like, you know, living on this magical, mysterious island. And then, of course, later in the episode, we come back to that Kate situation where she finds the closet with costumes, theater glue, fake beards.
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So... Are the others... Just pretending to be other like, okay, I'm curious to know when we saw his beard and his rustic look, is that his actual look now? Because it's been a considerable amount of time since Claire got kidnapped.
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But is that his actual look? Or is it just theatrics? And it makes me think, you know, what does Henry really look like? Yeah.
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Considering. yeah I mean, o I need to see more of, i need to know more answers about Henry. That's what's driving me up a wall right now.
00:21:44
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Yeah. There's so many, so many questions at this point about the others, about who they are, about the Dharma initiative and what, you know, yeah who they, who they are. Like, are these others, they seem to use all all the Dharma hatches or some of them. Yeah.
00:22:03
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So are they the Dharma Initiative? Like, what's going on? i mean, that's what I think. I no longer think there's two groups of others. Maybe there is. I don't know. I really don't know now. Because the other... Okay.
00:22:19
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What I'm considering to be the other others are the group of people that Echo and Jyn saw towards the beginning of this season. trekking through the woods, like barefoot, and stuff like that, compared to the others, which I consider to be the people that took Walt. That was my original theory.
00:22:36
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But now, as we're getting farther in, I start thinking, like, okay, maybe they are just one group. Right. Especially because we see on when Kate was going through... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So maybe... So when we saw all those outfits that were also in there, so you know, maybe...
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um I mean, maybe they're just one group in there. i don't even know. But yeah I don't even know at this point.
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and There's so many questions that I don't have answers to.
Episode 16: 'The Whole Truth' - Sun's Storyline
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You know what I'm going to do, actually, is um write down in my notes. When I take my notes, I'm going to write down any questions that I have and possible answers.
00:23:22
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And last time I did it on my phone and it was a lot of like reactionary stuff. I think I might handwrite it out instead because feel like that might be a little better to visualize it. I don't know.
00:23:35
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We'll see. There you go. I love it. Awesome. Any other items that you want to discuss from this episode? Things that I failed to mention?
00:23:47
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I don't think so. i don't think we got a lot of things to talk about outside of Claire, Kate, and Rousseau. I don't really know about the ah subplot as much besides, you know, a little bit of Henry Gale.
00:24:03
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Yeah, for sure. i think I think that's it. I think we get a little bit more into the Henry Gill stuff next episode, which let me say I'm very upset about how that episode turned out.
00:24:13
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And not because I didn't like the episode and don't put words into my mouth, but I think the... And and I will say I liked maternity leave better than...
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and the whole truth yeah and the only reason why is because i know it was a sun focused episode and i love that because we haven't had one of those in a long time but i thought there were a little bit of holes in that episode and i also think the pacing was very very very weak gotcha so yeah that's that's that's completely fair And a good segue as we get into episode 16 called The Whole Truth. and And like Nick mentioned, it's primarily a son episode.
00:24:57
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Obviously, anytime you get son, you get a lot of gin. But this one was definitely more focused on sure Yeah. And man, you want to talk about some adult relationship drama in this episode? I'm ready.
00:25:09
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I mean, this episode, it while I was just slamming on it, it hits hard. I was not expecting the fertility storyline to go there. And son.
00:25:21
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mean, come on. Come on, son. I did lose respect for son this episode, which is another reason. OK, I will get ah into this a little bit more.
00:25:33
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into the most loved, most hated. Yeah. But I thought there were some major character flaws throughout this episode with a bunch of different characters.
00:25:46
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Yep. And the main two storylines for this one are that on Island, son isn't feeling well and starts investigating if she might be pregnant. She takes us down a whole rabbit hole of mistrust in our flashbacks. Yeah.
00:26:00
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And then, of course, our Hatch storyline on Island continues with the mysterious, is he or isn't he Henry Gale? ah This episode, it's it's hard to watch at times.
00:26:13
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You know, i I enjoyed it, especially with, you know, Locke and Lucia, Sun and Sawyer and andnna Lucia talking to Henry. And especially what I do like is how Echo and Lucia,
00:26:28
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and Saeed, who have all been in the room alone with ah Henry Gale, have all taken very different approaches. They have. Saeed being more rough and trying to get answers.
00:26:40
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Echo kind of... I think, in a way, Echo was the most successful. Saeed... Saeed got an answer for himself.
00:26:51
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That's great. right I think Echo, just being Echo, revealed so much about Henry's character. Yep. yep than anyone else could do. i think Anna Lucia took a very logical approach to it, which is different than Said and different than Echo.
00:27:06
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But if you were to ask me to go in there, me to talk to Henry Gill, first of all, I'd say no, and I wouldn't even do that. But second of all, if I were to be closest to any one of them, I would probably be closest to Anna Lucia and try and find out that he's, you know, he's he's innocent, right?
00:27:26
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until proven guilty and whatever, and I'd go, you have him draw that map. So. Yeah. Yeah. For sure i will say, i find it interesting that Charlie tagged along with Saeed and Anna Lucia.
00:27:45
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Thought that was an interesting choice. Yeah, it is interesting. Saeed and Charlie have all of a sudden become pals. It's like. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:27:56
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Because we had that most recent episode with Saeed at the end where he's chatting with Charlie and right kind of led us into the maternity leave episode. Right.
00:28:09
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And starting with the flashbacks this episode, they reveal some additional complicated stuff about Sun and Jyn's marriage. We see Sun visiting a fertility doctor. The doctor tells her that Jyn is sterile.
00:28:24
Speaker
He can't have children. But this is after they go and visit that that they find that out later in the episode, right? Initially, yes son, you can't have children. Right. and And then later sees son and is like, actually, it was Jin, but i you know he works for your father. And I couldn't tell him that out of you know fear of what they would do to me.
00:28:46
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I mean, that's a whole nother layer of deception, you know for the especially for the doctor. Yeah.
00:28:55
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And it made things it made things worse for the two of them. Right. Doctor was fearful of his life. Yeah, for sure. And who wouldn't be, I guess, in that situation? Mr. Pake's reputation precedes him and Jin works for him. and Also, we had the very strong implication this episode that Sun had an affair.
00:29:21
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Yeah. I'm going to be honest, I'm not entirely sure. Yeah. I really like to think, that and that could just be me in denial.
00:29:35
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Right.
00:29:38
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i mean, I guess that's the only way that it's possible because, you know, Jin is, you know, not able to have kids. How is son pregnant? Right? So it kind of comes to that.
00:29:54
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Yeah, it becomes a huge timing thing too, though, right? like the Yeah. does the Does the pregnancy math add up? like They've already been on the island now for, what, two months, basically, at this point?
00:30:07
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Yeah. Yeah. So, like, I don't know. I don't know if that math would would add up. Yeah.
00:30:17
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I don't know either. so That's the intriguing thing. Yeah, I am very curious about that. But if she did, then I have some pretty mean things to say to Sun.
00:30:29
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Yeah, agreed.
00:30:32
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But there was a really beautiful part of the episode on the island when Sun tells Jin that she's pregnant. His reaction was just pure joy. Wraps her up in a big bear hug. You know, he doesn't question it.
00:30:45
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He doesn't do the math about the timing. He's just happy. And then she does tell him the truth. And this this episode was interesting because it was called The Whole Truth, but there was never the whole truth going on in really any of the situations, I don't think. Yeah. ah You know, but she shares with him how the doctor told her that it was he who couldn't have kids. And so i don't know, Nick, like, do you feel like the islands maybe healed that issue for him?
00:31:17
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I mean, it's possible. and that would i and That honestly might even make more sense than her having an affair. That honestly, in my opinion, makes more sense.
00:31:29
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and loved you know I joy. like he doesn't He doesn't question it.
00:31:38
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so this I get really confused because I like that idea that the island is, you know, giving them a fresh start, but I also, like, i kind of have to think, I kind of have to think to myself, does the island actually have magical properties? Right. Or are we just, like, is everything explained logically?
00:32:07
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Right? Like, I'm at least trying to think right now to anything and go back to anything that's magical about
Island's Mysteries and Character Interactions
00:32:18
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the island. And I don't want to say the security or surveillance system, because that was the biggest thing for me was that there was something like a creature or some mystical, magical creature, whatever.
00:32:29
Speaker
And now it's, it's like, it's a security system that seems to be with the others, but I have no idea if it is with the others, you know? The only thing that I can think of that's, you know, magical is like something like the connections where, you know Echo, you know, the plane that landed on the island is Echo's plane. Echo's also. um Okay, that's a crazy freaking coincidence, like insane coincidence. Yeah.
00:33:02
Speaker
It really is. Right. And that's where I start getting into the the magical aspect. But outside of that, everything can be explained by not magic or not something that can be explained by science. And because we don't even know about, you know, the timer and the bunker and are in the hatch.
00:33:25
Speaker
You know, we don't we don't know what that does. i mean, we saw the hieroglyphics, you know, a few episodes ago, but. We don't know what that means. Your Honor. So, you're ah at least in my thought. Objection.
00:33:38
Speaker
who Objection, Your Honor. Objection. we we cannot okay We cannot do anything about the fact that John Locke was crippled and now could walk.
00:33:50
Speaker
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. yes yes Okay. Good, good objection. I like that. I like that because I forgot about that.
00:34:00
Speaker
Also, the polar bear. Yeah, the polar bear. Although that one, I think, can be more easily... i think the polar bear can be more easily explained, right? If you're looking at the videos we've seen of Dharma so far and talking about them running experiments. Yeah.
00:34:17
Speaker
They probably just brought polar bears to the island at some juncture and they're still there, you know? Okay. Yeah, I see. i feel you. Maybe...
00:34:28
Speaker
Okay, well, we haven't, I will say, we haven't really learned about how John Locke became crippled yet. That's true. We haven't reached that part. So maybe, the um the only thing that I can think of is maybe something got pushed out of alignment.
00:34:44
Speaker
And when he fell out of the plane and he crashed back, maybe it fell back into alignment. yeah But, you know, take that away and you're right. He is, he was healed. So...
00:34:55
Speaker
But then again, it started to go away that one episode like where he couldn't walk. Right. And the island was like, to okay, i'm I'm getting crazy sidetracked.
00:35:06
Speaker
But ah yeah, okay, okay. Whatever, whatever, let's let's go back. Jin didn't receive the whole truth from Sun, in my opinion, because Jin didn't tell him that she was having this affair.
00:35:19
Speaker
Or Sun, did I say that right? Did I say Jin was having an affair? No, Sun was having affair. I don't know. It works either way. I mean, early on, Jin destroys Sun's Garden.
00:35:33
Speaker
Yeah. And, you know, that was one of my issues with this episode, is that seemed so incredibly out of character for him.
00:35:45
Speaker
And so I'll talk again, I'll talk more about that. Most loved, most hated, but... sure I mean, i really can't see him doing that after everything the two of them have been through.
00:36:00
Speaker
So we see Sawyer with that. You know, like we see Sawyer. And that, I will say, that makes sense. Because we see a lot of character arcs moving backwards. So we see Sawyer's character arc move backwards.
00:36:16
Speaker
you know But I think that makes a little more sense because his reason is he has to con. and you know that you know like that makes a little more sense to me. We see Charlie um and hate him moving a little bit of back back. And again, that makes a little bit of sense because you know getting off of... getting off of drugs is a really hard thing but jen i don't see the reasoning there i i could say the same thing about sun and sun's arc which isn't really an arc she's kind of been relatively the same but her moving back a little bit just seems very out of character so yeah you know yeah is everyone moving backwards
00:36:56
Speaker
Yeah, maybe. That's a good question. But I think for Sun, it's more likely it's just a scenario of peeling back the layers of the onion, and we just didn't know some of those things about her, and now we're finding out, right?
00:37:09
Speaker
Yeah. I feel you.
00:37:14
Speaker
All interesting conversations, though. And meanwhile, back to our hatch happenings this episode. First, we have the scene... where Locke is waiting for Anna Lucia outside her tent after a run that she was on, and he tells her about the others that they have locked up in the hatch.
00:37:33
Speaker
He smooth to her by saying, figured with your background as a cop that you're about as qualified to find out the truth as any of us.
00:37:42
Speaker
Yeah. and And this goes back to, you know, the Jack and Locke dynamic. and Yeah. Yeah. you know Jack's car, sorry, not Jack Locke's comment.
00:37:52
Speaker
um I don't need Jack's permission to talk to you. And then he gets back to the hatch, mentions Anna Lucia and Jack's like, okay, I'll talk to her. Like he agrees. And then Locke reveals, oh, I already did it though.
00:38:06
Speaker
You know? So Jack was in agreement, but Locke just went and jumped to the gun. So i mean, really liked that. I also really liked Anna Lucia getting from her run and being like, what do you want?
00:38:19
Speaker
And he's like, what do you mean? i'm I'm just sitting here having a banana. And she's like, you haven't spoken to me in two weeks since I've got to this island. Since I've since i've come to this island, you clearly want something. What do you want?
00:38:30
Speaker
Yeah. I loved that. She she knows because she's a cop. Yep.
00:38:37
Speaker
And I love the way that Locke said, already did. funny He's shaving over the sink and Jack's like, I'll talk to her. Already did.
00:38:49
Speaker
And then, of course, Anna Lucia interrogates Henry Gale, and she nicely talks him into drawing her map, and then lies to Jack and Locke, saying he told me the same thing, and I need some more time with him.
00:39:06
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know about the lying part. I don't think that was a good idea, but I do agree that if she were to have him draw a map, Locke and Jack would have demanded to see it and then argued over it. And then, you know, of what to do, whether to go, you know, who's going to stay and all that kind of stuff. So I do agree with that.
00:39:27
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She then goes and loops Saeed into it, who inevitably is with Charlie and they go on their own track to find it. You know, they show them the map and they're like, did you show this to Jack and Locke? And,
00:39:38
Speaker
She goes, eh, Jack and Locke are a little too busy worrying about Locke and Jack, which is a fantastic line from these two sets of episodes. Yes, that is fabulous.
00:39:52
Speaker
Yeah, overall, not a lot to discuss on the Trek scenes, I don't think. Obviously, you had Charlie playing keep away with the gun from Anna Lucia, but is there anything else you wanted to discuss from that particular plot line?
00:40:06
Speaker
Um, I thought I did like the nice little moment of sentiment that Anna Lucia had with Saeed towards the end of their trek. I am a little disappointed we didn't get to see what happened and that we are left on a cliffhanger. But then again, that's just lost. And if they didn't do that, I wouldn't be so excited to watch the next episode as soon as we're done with this.
00:40:26
Speaker
But, you know, i did really like the dynamic between Saeed and Anna Lucia.
00:40:34
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Yeah.
00:40:37
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And as we close out this episode, the actor who plays ah Henry Gale or not Henry Gale, whatever you want to call him at this point, Michael Emerson, his performance is just incredible.
00:40:48
Speaker
He can make the most innocent statements sound ominous. Like when Anna Lucia asks him about the balloon and he gives these very detailed, very specific answers, but they still feel rehearsed.
00:40:59
Speaker
Right. And then we get to the end of the episode and that scene where they let him out of the armory to eat some breakfast was so good, Nick.
00:41:09
Speaker
Oh my God. It's it's so unbelievably good. that That might have been my favorite scene from these two episodes too. Absolutely. Him going, oh, so this must be my reward for drawing that map, huh?
00:41:20
Speaker
Jack and Locke are like, what? And Henry says, oh, wow. You people really have trust issues. And then he adds at the end...
00:41:32
Speaker
like very casually, way too casually, you know, if I were one of them, these people that you think are your enemies, there'd be no balloon. And I draw a map to a secluded place to ambush your friends.
00:41:47
Speaker
And I would, I would have them make a trade them for me. And then he says, guess it's a good thing. I'm not one of them. And, you know, after all of that,
00:41:58
Speaker
I know I said I was already 100%. I'm 120% now. Like, and it was so haunting. And you know how I said, once Ethan was caught, he got scary.
00:42:10
Speaker
Once Goodwin was caught, he got scary. That's the scariest we've seen Henry Gale. Yeah. And I'm all for it. Yeah, what an ending. And he goes from that haunting and and bold delivery to turning on a dime, smiling and asking, guys have any milk?
00:42:29
Speaker
So what I for what I overall considered more of a mid episode, the ending was about as good as it gets. And Henry Gale, I agree with him or hate him. And, you know, Henry Gale or not Henry Gale, the debate there. I love him. He's an amazing layered character. And I hope they don't kill him off soon, because if I'm watching this for the first time, I know I want more.
00:42:53
Speaker
I'm in the same boat as you. I want, I just want more others answers. I think this is the closest we've got to an other, you know, cause like if they kidnap Henry Gale, i don't think they would just kill him.
00:43:06
Speaker
I think like the plan would be to kidnap him and get answers, which is what they wanted to do with Ethan before Charlie, pop pop out you know? So right I really hope we get more answers with a successful kidnapping of Henry Gale.
00:43:22
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. And who knows, if if Anna Lucia wouldn't have been so unhinged, maybe Goodwin would have helped them or given them answers. like We don't know what would happened there.
00:43:35
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That's true.
00:43:38
Speaker
Alright, cool. Well, as we close that episode out, is there anything else that missed that you wanted to chat through? I don't think so. i think i think we hit...
00:43:51
Speaker
think we hit all the points for the most part. I don't think there's anything that I'm forgetting. Okay. I'm assuming we chatted through theories and predictions already.
Hosts' Favorite and Least Favorite Characters
00:44:02
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All good there?
00:44:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:07
Speaker
All right. Awesome. Well, let's jump into our most loved, most hated segment portion of our show listeners where Nick goes through gives us who is trending up and is his most loved characters of the episodes and which characters are trending down or are the currently the most hated. So kick us off, bud.
00:44:28
Speaker
Uh, so I'm going to start off by saying the same thing I've been saying for the past five or six most loved and most hated and saying that it's incredibly difficult for me. Easy. Oh, I thought you were going to say it's incredibly easy.
00:44:39
Speaker
Incredi- no, no, no. Incredibly difficult. Um, I thought there were a lot of really good character interactions throughout all of these episodes, and a lot of characters that were very out of character at the same time.
00:44:54
Speaker
So I kind of want to start with ah what will probably be... I think it will probably be a little easier to do my most hated, which...
00:45:06
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I mean, it's interesting because I want to put Gale down there, Henry Gale, but I also don't because his character is so, like, I can really, really, really appreciate his character.
00:45:20
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Same reason why i think maybe once or twice I've had Ethan... in the top three because he was just so scary and so good at being scary.
00:45:32
Speaker
Right. As i kind of form my list in my head, ah let me actually jump to most loved because I think I have a most, I think I have a most loved list here. All right.
00:45:46
Speaker
In my most loved is kind of makes sense. And my number three slot is which won't make sense to you Anna Lucia.
00:45:58
Speaker
Okay, yeah. but Believe it or not. hello I really liked her in the whole truth episode. Really, really, really big fan. i thought she was fantastic. I thought she did everything really logically.
00:46:13
Speaker
She apologized to Saeed about everything. Her banter was funny with John Locke. I think she wanted... answers the same way Saeed did, but didn't go kind of all crazy willy nilly.
00:46:24
Speaker
And honestly, I feel like I kind of need her up there. Since we haven't really been getting a ton of Anna Lucia. And when we do, I've been kind of disliking her. And this was a nice change of pace where I kind of got to like Anna Lucia.
00:46:37
Speaker
And I liked the interactions that she had with Charlie and Saeed, even if I didn't really love Charlie, which like, you know, when Charlie turns around and is going, are you looking about bum or whatever?
00:46:50
Speaker
and she's like, and she's like, if you're going to hide a gun, make sure you hide it better. You know, like, it's like, like that kind those kinds of interactions and whatnot. And I'm, I was a really big fan of that. So I have Anna Lucia at my three,
00:47:06
Speaker
um she could be pushed down to an honorable mention. I will say because I do have echo at an honorable mention. i really wanted to put echo in my top three, but he just unfortunately didn't get enough screen time for me to actually put him up there.
00:47:20
Speaker
I will also say Rousseau is kind of an honorable mention and that's as far as I'll go. i can't give any more honorable mentions out.
00:47:28
Speaker
ah Yeah. I mean, that's really all I can say. At my number two so spot, I have ah Kate, actually, which is kind of surprising for me because I never have Kate up this high.
00:47:40
Speaker
Yeah. I thought she was amazing. I thought she was really good for Claire. She was really her help helping her out during maternity leave. And also kind of defending her from Rousseau whenever Rousseau was doing anything creepy or bad or whatever and whatnot. I think Kate was also looking for answers as well as Claire, just for different reasons.
00:48:01
Speaker
She found all that theatrical stuff, which is a huge leap in the right direction with the others. raises a bunch of questions. She didn't have that much of a say or plot-wise to do in The Whole Truth, but she did kind of help Sun talk through some of her issues, which I did respect.
00:48:19
Speaker
So, Kate, number two. And as my number one slot, as my most loved character for these two episodes, it's gotta be John Locke. I mean... Do I think we could have gotten a little bit more of him? Yes.
00:48:32
Speaker
However, I'm very happy with the direction that they're taking with him, where he's he's not this like like perfect character, which is what I appreciate.
00:48:46
Speaker
He's got these great strides, and he's got his great Lochness, which is like, okay, it's John Locke. This is what I'm used to. But then he's also got, you know, these moments where he is like essentially losing his mind and he's crashing all these dishes and he wants to be in charge. And, you know, Jack is making things a little difficult for him, but he's still staying true to his Loch Ness.
00:49:11
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Interesting. So that doesn't like, that doesn't mar his, his, his score for you when things like that happen in episodes? Yeah. i I usually they would. And I think in the past, I think in one of the past episodes, it kind of did hurt him a little bit, especially with I think Fire and Water was the episode where it it kind of hurt him. i didn't want to put him in most loved or most hated.
00:49:34
Speaker
But at least in this episode, I feel like he didn't do anything. in and' i don't think he did anything bad, unless I'm just forgetting something. But I don't think he did anything that was out of character for him.
00:49:46
Speaker
So that's my most loved. I'm still trying to find a ah most hated for me, but I'll start going to most hated really fast and I'll try and keep it quick. And I don't like my, most I don't like my, my number three slot for most hated.
00:49:59
Speaker
My number three slot for most hated is actually Claire. And the reason I don't love it is because I do think Claire was valid in a lot of the things that happened throughout this episode.
00:50:11
Speaker
huh. you know, she's a mom, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever. and that makes total sense. But... I think she was incredibly rude to drag Jack when he was trying to give really good answers to Claire.
00:50:25
Speaker
i thought Claire was rude to Rousseau countless times. I thought she was extremely rude to son when, you know, she's asking son to watch her baby. And son's like, I don't really think you should leave. And, you know, like a mother really shouldn't leave her child.
00:50:39
Speaker
You know, like that's not great for, you know, a newborn. And, you know, Claire's kind of like, are you the mother? Like, have you had kids before? then shut up. You know, like that was kind of rude, but also kind of foreshadowing as well.
00:50:50
Speaker
It was, yeah. So I think that was a little rude, personally. Yeah, that's just why I have her down there. My number two most hated, I have Sun, for the obvious reason of, you know, she probably she probably had an affair.
00:51:08
Speaker
But also, she's not being very truthful with Jin, especially, you know, I mean, you already lied to him once with... you know, the whole speaking English thing. And you saw how that went. So you're lying again. And that's not very good.
00:51:22
Speaker
So, I mean, for that, and she doesn't tell him the whole truth. The reason, and this is what I wanted to get to. I said this like, like at the very beginning of when we started talking about the second episode, I thought there were so many holes with Sun's and Jin's character.
00:51:35
Speaker
Jin would, i feel like after everything they had been through and how much Sun missed Jin when he left, how much Jin missed Sun when they left, how they reconnected when they got back, it makes no sense for Jin to go rip up her garden like that.
00:51:50
Speaker
In my mind, that is not Jyn's character at all. And I was really upset when I saw that. Same thing with Sun. Sun, while Sun has had her difficulties with Jyn, I don't think she would actually go to the the the the length to have an affair.
00:52:05
Speaker
That just does not seem real to me. And Jin taking the time and effort to learn i love you in English for her is amazing. And i felt that was better. That was more on on track. But for now, I have Sun at the two.
00:52:21
Speaker
Number three, I'm going to play Henry Gale. i don't really love it, but I have no one else to put there. So he's going to go down there. Okay.
00:52:31
Speaker
Oh, man. Yeah. It's not easy, is it, when we do these two episode runs? No, it's not. All right, here's here's where I'm leaning for mine.
00:52:42
Speaker
so I'm going to start with most loved. And yeah the way I'm leaning is most of my most loved are really going to come from the screen time in maternity leave, as that was the episode that I favored much higher.
00:52:59
Speaker
So, yes, the trio is in my most loved, but they're going in as a trio, as a group, because they went on the trek together. The whole episode, they were together. There's a lot of stuff unpacked with them together.
00:53:11
Speaker
So I'm counting that as one spot for my most loved ones. They would probably be my yeah ones my number one spot. Then for two and three, it it gets harder.
00:53:26
Speaker
I would say my number two this episode is... and this This is probably going to surprise you. Okay. But he had enough of a scene with Henry Gale that Mr. Echo remains in my top.
00:53:40
Speaker
All right, that's fair. Yeah, that scene alone keeps him in my top three right now. And then my my number three is going to surprise you. So I thought about Locke. i I think Locke is... is Such a great character. And, you know, um obviously I appreciate seeing both sides of the characters. i like seeing the flaws.
00:54:01
Speaker
um The way he let Henry get to him and through the dishes really annoyed me just enough to bump him out of the top three for this week. Wow. And I don't feel like I don't feel like he necessarily did enough.
00:54:16
Speaker
You know, obviously, yes, he was working behind the scenes. Him and Jack were going back and forth. He's recruiting Ana Lucia to come chat, whatever. For me, that wasn't like anything to put him in the top three.
00:54:28
Speaker
and I'm actually putting not Henry Gale as my number three for this episode, for these episodes. All right. Amazing. I love it. Yeah, because... ah love it.
00:54:39
Speaker
Hey, you guys got any milk? I mean, so good. Very good.
00:54:47
Speaker
And then most hated, I'll probably surprise you a little bit on that side of things also. okay One person I think you forgot about. Ethan still has to be in my most hated. Any episode that he's in, despite the fact that he was being nice on the surface, but he was also just being creepy Ethan and trying to manipulate Claire.
00:55:08
Speaker
so Still gotta have him in there. My number two most... so I'm actually not gonna put Anna Lucina in my most hated this episode. I will give you that. that She was better. Progress. did Yeah, she did try to you know make amends with Saeed.
00:55:26
Speaker
I am going to, for my second spot, it's going to be a tie between Sun and Jin, believe it or not.
00:55:38
Speaker
Okay. I like it. Yeah, Sun, obviously, for the reasons that we've mentioned, the implication is that she had an affair. sure we'll find out. Right. Either for sure or, you know, maybe they were just giving us a red herring. But right now, that's the implication.
00:55:56
Speaker
And, you know, you can just see it in her face that she wasn't telling Jen everything, regardless of what that everything was. Right. And then obviously, Jen kind of taking a little bit of a step back and throwing that tantrum, ripping up the garden.
00:56:12
Speaker
you know I get it from, hey, i want to I want to protect her, and she had gotten blindfolded and put a sack put over her the last couple of episodes or whatever, but still, man, come on.
00:56:24
Speaker
Agreed. And then my number three for most hated.
00:56:32
Speaker
Well, this is tough now because I took Anna Lucia out. I told you. So, actually, it's not a tie between Sun and Jin. They're just down there. That's how I'm ending it. Okay. So we've got Ethan, Sun, and Jin for this episode.
00:56:47
Speaker
Gotcha. Is any a Sun or Jin lower, or are they still tied? I would say Sun is is higher on the most hated.
00:56:59
Speaker
gen je is less. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gotcha. All right. Awesome. Well, that's a wrap for our deep dive into season two episodes, 15 and
Teaser for Upcoming Episodes 17 & 18
00:57:12
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16.
00:57:12
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And we've got a couple of great episodes coming up. So i want to play another round of guess that click centric flashback here. So we'll start Nick with episode 17, which is called lockdown. Okay. Well, I would imagine that's a John Locke centric episode.
00:57:37
Speaker
You're going with the up play play on words there, huh? I'm going with the play on words there. All right. You are correct. That is a lock-centric. Okay, good. I'm okay. I'm excited.
00:57:49
Speaker
Yeah. No, it'll be a good one. And then number episode 18 is called Dave.
00:57:57
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It's called Dave? Totally random. And let's see if you have any idea what that one would be about.
00:58:06
Speaker
Okay, knowing knowing what I know, is it possible for me to figure it out?
00:58:13
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um I don't think it was necessarily possible for anyone to figure it out the first watch through. Okay. It's just very random. I just got to get extremely lucky.
00:58:25
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I got to get extremely lucky is what I'm hearing. yeah Well, that kind of sucks because the more that I like, I feel like the the recent times that we've done this, I've been one out of two every single time.
00:58:36
Speaker
Yeah. Like I've gotten one and then I've missed the second one. Okay, let's let's let's think logically here because I really want to figure this out. You're a logical thinker in this episode.
00:58:49
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i am a logical thinker.
00:58:53
Speaker
Okay, I'm leaning right now off of first thought to Libby because we got a Hurley episode, episode four. Uh-huh.
00:59:05
Speaker
Right? We've already gotten a John Locke episode, so we're getting a second one of those. Yep. But that was like episode two. John, or maybe, no John Locke was episode one.
00:59:17
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Oh, three, something like that. Yeah. yeah
00:59:21
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So...
00:59:24
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I mean, it could be a Hurley episode, but I highly doubt it. I highly doubt they would go Locke-Hurley again in the exact same order. So I'm trying to think. it could either So I'm thinking it's definitely not Locke. it's It's definitely not Jack. It's definitely not Sawyer. It's definitely not Kate.
00:59:40
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I guess it could be Kate.
00:59:44
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It's not Jin or Sun, because we just got a lot of them. It's definitely not Charlie. It's definitely not Claire. So i'm I'm leaning towards Libby.
00:59:54
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I don't think it's Anna Lucia either, because we've already gotten an Anna Lucia episode, and we've already gotten an Echo episode, so I doubt it's one of those two. It's not Saeed. I might have already said that.
01:00:06
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I guess it could be like a Bernard or a Rose, maybe. it also could be a Michael episode,
01:00:18
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considering Michael has been gone for the past four episodes and we've heard nothing about him. so it could be a Michael episode as well to update us on where Michael's at.
01:00:31
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ah Okay. Final guess, Libby. Final guess is Libby. Okay. It is not Libby.
01:00:43
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Dang. So I gotta wait. You gotta wait. Yep. All right.
01:00:50
Speaker
But you don't have to wait long. This is true. As we mentioned to the listeners earlier, we had to move some stuff around this week and we are recording later tonight after you watch the next two episodes. so yes Yes, we are.
01:01:02
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Love it. Yes, we are. Awesome. Well, thank you listeners for joining us. Don't forget to subscribe and leave a review. And until next time, keep punching in those numbers.
01:01:14
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