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kevindoc81: All right, welcome back to Fright Central. I'm Doc back here again, as always, with Keck, and we have a special guest today, our old friend Manny. How's it going, buddy?
Manny: It's great man.
Keck: yeah uh
kevindoc81: That's good. How's it going, Keck?
Keck: bad yeah i wasn't some planning on it but many other fans but yeah anyway yep bad
kevindoc81: Okay, well, let's not get into it. yeah
kevindoc81: Uh, I should also mention that, uh, it might not be good when we will talk about it when it comes up. But right now the, uh, you know, the IAS, I A T S E, you know, the, uh, production level people that are negotiating with the studios right now, they have not come to an agreement, but their, uh, contract isn't up till, uh, the end of July, but let's hope they can come to an agreement to avoid another strike this year. So, uh,
Keck: Wait, us who's striking? Wait, what? Whoa.
kevindoc81: Nobody's striking right now. They're in negotiations. The, you know, the frontline people, the people that set up, you know, the camera operators and, the you know, the lighting grips and all those people.
Keck: Oh, the grips.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: Well, I mean, hey, the writers striked, the actors striked. I mean, I guess it's about time that it's like Revenge of the Grips, right?
Manny: Oh.
kevindoc81: yeah that's what they should call it send that fucking headline into deadline but uh yeah like uh hopefully the studios learn their lessons from the the last two strikes and are actually going to come to a fucking agreement but yeah he'll
Manny: Now that's a freeze frame. No. Oh, I'm the one. What the fuck?
Keck: Historically, in my opinion, the studios never learned their lessons. Manny, do you have any?
Keck: We lost Manny.
Manny: up
kevindoc81: be back yeah there he is he'll just come and go it's fine
Keck: He's back. yeah
Manny: I have no idea what else will go.
Keck: Yeah, we're trying something new. We have like kind of like a three -way situation going, so, you know. But yeah, we were saying that I don't know where we left off, like where you cut out Manny, but we were talking about like how the writers, the actors, striked, and now the, what would you you call them, technicians, I guess?
Manny: That's right. Yeah. Yeah.
kevindoc81: Uh, yeah, I guess, you know, the, the guys who do all the grunt work.
Keck: Yeah and get yeah getting none of the credit but usually bring a lot of the magic to the film.
Manny: Yeah, right.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Manny: Yeah, yep, yep, yep.
kevindoc81: Yeah. They can't, movies can't be made without them. That's for sure.
Keck: Well you were saying that hopefully the studios learn their lesson and in my experience just based on like historical precedent it seems like the studios never really Completely learned their lesson. I don't know if Manny you have an opinion on that but like in my and Like people just care about profit Yeah, I agree I Hope you're right doc.
Manny: Yeah, they know their lesson. Yeah, yeah, they'd they'd rather sit on it till the last second and beyond.
kevindoc81: Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah well Sony Pictures, one of the heads from Sony and recently came out and said that like the they were going to use regenerative AI to, to am you know, further movies going forward.
Keck: I'm not trying to be like the downer the but I'm just saying like, you know I do not think that they've learned or less. I hope I'm wrong
kevindoc81: And I think right now that just kind of means like that's what they want to pick what's going to be successful or not. So, you know, because all their shit keeps failing because that they don't just, you know, hire good writers and good directors.
Manny: Yeah.
kevindoc81: They just want to make crap like fucking Madam Web.
Manny: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah, it was Madam Web Bad.
Manny: Yeah.
kevindoc81: I don't know, I skipped it, but I heard it was...
Manny: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Keck: Oh, yeah, the ladies in my life watch it and like it.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: And that that makes me think that it's bad.
kevindoc81: Really? Alright.
Manny: Yeah.
Keck: So, you know, because they like bad things.
kevindoc81: Yeah. I mean, they they probably have no idea yeah it's connection to Spider -Man or anything about the character at all, so...
Keck: now what what are
Manny: yeah excuse but
Keck: oh Shauna does. shaun Shauna does. she She does. But, well, I should... Nevermind. Anyway, moving on.
kevindoc81: Yeah, so the only other thing that I have, I don't know if you guys saw the most recent Alien Romulus trailer. Anybody?
Keck: I did not.
Manny: I did not look so secure.
kevindoc81: Anybody?
Keck: But I agree i recently just rewatched. I rewatched the entire Alien series, except I didn't get all the way through. The one where Ripley is, I think it was Alien Resurrection. It's where like Ripley was like half alien, like her blood was.
Manny: Yeah, with one other writer.
Keck: Yeah, that is that is that what was called?
Manny: Correct.
kevindoc81: ru or where she makes that backward shot and it goes in and that was like one take and Rob is like super fucking surprised.
Keck: chris
Keck: Yeah.
Manny: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
kevindoc81: Yeah, it was all like real reaction.
Manny: Yeah.
Keck: yeah
Manny: yeah Yeah. Yeah.
Keck: Yeah, that that was that had one that I don't know if it it was I think it was Brad dwarf was in it and he was like real fucking big time But I've rewatched I rewatched the entire alien series Prometheus which I liked a lot better this time.
Manny: yeah
Keck: It was only the second time I saw it alien covenant and I even watched alien verse predator one and two and so I wasn't even aware of this this is all new information so no I have not seen the trailer when is this supposed to come out no shit so this is coming out soon
kevindoc81: Uh, this fall, I believe October ish or, uh, my mistake and it could be August. I'm not sure. I wasn't looking at the release date, but, uh, a neutral.
Manny: yeah it's imminent
kevindoc81: Yeah. It's my Freddie Alvarez who, uh, directed the remake of evil dead and he did a don't breathe, which are both good movies.
Manny: Yeah, it's imminent.
Manny: They're good. Yeah, they're really good.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Manny: Yep, I enjoy them.
kevindoc81: I mean, I like Evil Dead Rise better than the the remake, but it's still, I guess it's more of a reboot, I mean, or does it technically take the same world?
Keck: You are the latest remake of evil dead with what's her name with the beautiful red hair You liked evil dead rise the one before that more.
Manny: Yeah, as as far as recruits or needs go, and
kevindoc81: No, Evil Dead Rise is the more original one.
Keck: Oh Okay, yeah, oh that all right, we're on the same page I was about to say what the fuck all right
kevindoc81: Yeah. Yeah. No, I liked that one better. But yeah, it's by the same director that the trailer just dropped and it takes place between alien aliens, you know, because there's that that time gap between because she was like, sleep or whatever.
Keck: yeah There is indeed.
kevindoc81: Yeah, it looks very good. It definitely has that alien vibe to like practical effects.
Keck: It was 57 years, right? Yeah.
kevindoc81: Yeah, yeah, it's got practical effects. I even saw like a behind the scenes where a guy was controlling one of the little face huggers and it was running around and jumping and shit.
Keck: Oh, dude, I'll have to check that out.
kevindoc81: It's fucking dope.
Keck: It's probably up on YouTube, right?
kevindoc81: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
kevindoc81: and they And then there was an interview with Noah Haley who's doing the Alien TV series.
Keck: Nah, I knew about that, yeah.
kevindoc81: Yeah, and Hulu plans for multiple recurring seasons and and they want to have the two seasons, at least the first two seasons come out with those little time gap as possible in 2025. So we could be getting the Alien series as soon as like early 2025 with like the second season coming out by like the fall. they said they're still filming, right now overseas. Uh, but that's supposed to wrap in July. Uh, Haley's already, uh, done directed the, the two, the few episodes that he, uh, you know, and plan on directing on the home and he's doing, but, uh, they also said like Ridley Scott's, uh, serves as a producer on it, but he had very little involvement and it was just like a series of small conversations about story themes and nothing more.
Keck: I was hoping that he was going to be the director.
Manny: I was hoping he would be uninvolved entirely.
kevindoc81: No, I mean... Yeah, me too.
Manny: I think he's perfectly lost his mind.
Keck: I i guess guess I'm a man on an island, but I really like well i've really liked Raised by Wolves as a concept.
kevindoc81: I'm with Manny.
Manny: yeah
Keck: I just don't know what happened like they made like seven to eight episodes of like totally like groundbreaking like new meets old like fucking pure sci -fi and then it just went off the fucking rails into fucking
kevindoc81: Yeah, that that also felt...
Keck: I don't know what's beyond crazy. I mean, it just became an abomination. why it was i the punish yeah Me and Doc were talking about that last gas.
Manny: And this goes on for me, on and on, and back and forth, and it even gets until the movie just sort of ends.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: We were talking about Dr. Dolph Langer, and you know, is it cracking heads, full penetration. You know, it goes on for about 90 minutes or so, and then it just sort of ends.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Manny: Hold on,
Keck: Anybody doesn't know we're talking about stuff from Always Sunny and Philly. But, uh, yeah. the mean and That's how a lot of, I mean, that's how a lot of, like, films, I feel, like, should, like, if you can't figure out your ending, you should make it so it just sort of ends.
Manny: yup.
Manny: Yeah, just note the text in the second act, and...
Keck: Like, rather than try to, like, yeah, come out like this terrible, yeah.
Keck: Uh, although,
Manny: But with the thing on the Alien front, there is a the yeah the comic release coming out that Paul Reiser was involved in.
kevindoc81: Oh, really.
Manny: Yeah, it's so what it's a Marvel what -if Alien project. I didn't see any details, but I did see Paul Reiser's name on the cover.
Keck: And this is this is totally new like are they in production or oh
Manny: yeah I think it was just teased so it's coming out right no no they're they're the the like the cover of the comic was released and so it's gonna be released probably within the next couple of months yeah
Keck: Okay, so it's still in the rumor mill or like there's actually oh Okay, oh Cool cool
kevindoc81: So soon, okay. That's just something I did not have.
Keck: Yeah.
kevindoc81: Thank you for that.
Keck: And that is usually all on top of that type of shit.
kevindoc81: Especially yeah with the alien shit. i mean I'm not on top of it when it comes to comic releases and stuff. I'm not always is a there for that information, but definitely movies and TVs and shows and shit like that.
Keck: Well, you know, i had gotten I had bought a new computer monitor when it was right when me and Manny were building this PC. I realized I didn't have a new monitor for it. And it came with a subscription three months for YouTube, YouTube TV. you know the whole thing without ads and YouTube has like its own TV channel.
Manny: Yeah.
Keck: And two times I watched Fire in the Sky up until the point where he had the memory. It's where he hides under the table and like the Antrimimus syrup is going in his mouth and then he like remembers being on the spaceship with the aliens which you know Travis Walton actually said and various interviews that that was like entirely not what happened when he remembered the experience but like I watched it two times and both times I was like you know what I'm gonna watch through this fucking shit both times I turned it off as soon as I saw the syrup in his mouth I just want to say that dude
Manny: i was gonna I was gonna say one of the benefits of Disney acquired.
Keck: that shit was scary
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: Doc you said you said that you can't watch it again Why is that like there's almost no movie that I find that's too scary for me to watch but when it comes now I'm not talking about aliens like I'm not worried about xenomorphs coming down the earth to fight predators and getting loose on the human population and I'm not worried about like actual sci -fi aliens but if it's something about like alien abductions where like millions of people have claimed like under hypnosis and like I start seeing like terrifying shit like that where there's like a whole hint of realism as in I don't know whether or not they're all mentally ill or not and maybe you know there are bug eyed motherfuckers that are gonna come and get me from my bed one night
kevindoc81: Yeah, I can't go back and watch it. it's It still has that terrifying memory. I mean, I'm sure if I went and tried it, but I'd be like, that was the crap.
Keck: That, that fucks with me.
Manny: yeah
kevindoc81: I think it's just because I saw it when I was younger.
Keck: And it fucks with you and it fucks with you. Why is it all fucked with us? Maybe we' we're all abducted and we all know, huh?
kevindoc81: It fucked with me because I saw it when I was young and that scene was fucking terrifying when I was young so I don't want to go back and watch it.
Keck: just then
Keck: Yeah, I saw it in theaters when I was 13, bro.
Manny: yeah
Keck: I didn't sleep for like a fucking week.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Manny: Yeah. Just the idea of getting tubes shoved down your throat, whether it's aliens or not, is terrifying.
Keck: yeah
Keck: yeah didn't they able to put a needle in his eye like they took like a needle and just like like like yeah it was like a stabbing motion like just like like psycho like hey we're putting this needle in your eye here it comes
Manny: so
Manny: Yeah.
Manny: yeah
Manny: How hard can we fuck with you?
Keck: Yeah, exactly.
kevindoc81: yeah
Keck: and Travis Walton the lawyer said on various interviews, even on show Rogan, he was like, yeah, that was just total fucking horse shit. Like, that's not what happened at all. But like, you know, the studio got it and they just fucking basically probed me once again, you know, so anyway.
kevindoc81: Analite.
Manny: Well, back to the alien stuff.
Keck: but
kevindoc81: There.
Manny: One of the good things about Disney acquiring Fox Studios is the potential for the comics to be so get started again. I'm definitely excited about that.
Keck: For you.
Manny: Because I think i think those comics, those Dark Horse comics were great, between an Alien Predator and even the Roblopin and Temergy.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah. Alright, yeah.
kevindoc81: the
Keck: Yeah, i'll give I'll give you that because that's the only comic. The Predator comics are the only comics that I still because of the Bad Blood Predator, which like takes place right down here in the.
Manny: ye
Keck: You know about the bad boy, they like the insane, the mentally unhinged.
Manny: yeah yeah
Keck: Yeah, we should talk about that more. But that's pretty cool. Yeah.
kevindoc81: Yeah, the only thing I'm a little worried about is that the TV series supposed to take place on Earth like decades before the first movie, but he did say he when he thinks of alien he doesn't he doesn't want to go towards like the Prometheus style of stylized he what he likes that retro three of them.
Manny: ye Yeah.
Keck: A lot of people will be relieved by that.
Manny: Yeah.
kevindoc81: Yeah, he likes the retrofuturism. He was like, I want to see like those old screenings with the little, uh, you know, glyphs coming up and I hear the keyboard.
Manny: yeah
Keck: Yeah.
Manny: these
kevindoc81: He's like, that's in the hallways and everything. And that's what the new movie looks like too.
Manny: Yeah.
kevindoc81: Very retro. It looks very in theme with the old alien movies and not with the, uh, the newer stuff.
Manny: yeah But yeah, the cassette futurism.
kevindoc81: So I'm excited. for Yeah, I am excited for the new Alien stuff going forward, but we're not here to talk about Alien, we're here to talk about Godzilla, specifically Godzilla minus one.
Keck: many you saw it three or four times in the four I said I thought maybe I was exaggerating and it was two in color or three in color and one in black and white or was it two and two wait wait one in color and three in black and white or three in color one in black okay yeah so yeah obviously many uh
kevindoc81: and
Manny: Four times. Three.
Manny: got three three Three and one in black and white. yeah Three color.
Keck: was very enthusiastic about this film.
Manny: Yeah, I literally waited all my life for this film and It immediately took its place right next to terminator 2 as my favorite film of all time Yeah Yeah,
Keck: And this... Really?
kevindoc81: Oh, well.
Keck: Well, get can you talk can you elaborate on that? Like a little bit more? Like what was so like... and like I mean, obviously you're a fan of like the Godzilla universe, like, you know, Hothra and...
Manny: yeah always been always been but uh,
Manny: yeah yeah always been always been but
kevindoc81: American films, like, I don't know if any of the videos go by, but, uh...
Manny: I would say it's me. Oh, oh, you got a couple sirens.
kevindoc81: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, L .A.
Manny: Yeah, GTA.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: And that's basically where he lives.
kevindoc81: You know, the Redondo Beach Hood.
Keck: but
kevindoc81: But, uh, I'll backtrack a little bit before we
Manny: Yeah, you get five stars coming after you.
kevindoc81: Yeah, I want to backtrack a little bit before we get into the new Godzilla. What was your like earliest memory of watching Godzilla? Do you remember your first Godzilla movie?
Manny: I don't remember my first Godzilla movie it was probably Godzilla 1984 or 85 depending on who you talked to but uh yeah so that level that more serious Godzilla was definitely what I was yearning for and uh yeah I mean aside from the fact that I took mushrooms the first time I saw it uh the Godzilla minus one but I
kevindoc81: Okay, not in 1985 when you were like three years old.
Keck: Modesto, of course.
Manny: Yeah, no, I was I was not five years old taking mushroom, but yeah Godzilla 1985 Was definitely my first one because that's the first time I remember having it on the cassette But you know back in the day they used to play all the old ones on TV one time or another so I was always a Godzilla lifer and
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
kevindoc81: Yeah, how about UK?
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: I can't remember the title of the first Godzilla movie I saw. I'm not really sure if it had a title. I'm not sure if it was a feature -length film or if it was the Japanese series. Because if you remember in Japan at one point, they had like, I don't know, maybe it was a series of films. But it seemed the way they aired them, they used to put them on like AMC and stuff like that.
Manny: yes
Keck: And I think even sometimes Turner classic movies.
Manny: Yes.
Manny: Yep. Yep. Yep.
Keck: the among And they were like, I guess it was what was it late 1950s, early 1960s Japan. and they used to and like Godzilla used to have like this like theme music where it was like a bell like he would be like strolling in the town and it'd be like and like all this and you know you'd have like Mothra attacking and Godzilla battling all this was he a friend was he a fellow but like my earliest Godzilla memories come from
Manny: Yeah.
Keck: Japan when Godzilla first came to the big screen. I mean yeah, that's I used to watch it like with my grandfather and stuff like that because you know he Well, I mean he was rather racist, but you know he said Godzilla was one of the good things that came out of Japan and and you know fighting in World War II, I guess he had some issues. But anyway, I used to watch it with him, and I really enjoyed it.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: But I can't say whether or not like my first Godzilla experience was a movie, because it seemed like it was almost like a series of like a series before there were series, where it was just like it came on like a different Godzilla seemed to come on like once a week. And it would be...
kevindoc81: yeah i think
Manny: that They were just airing the they were just airing the movies and they're all relatively short movies Yeah Well, this is how hardcore of a fan I was my first job was at Best Buy and and they released Destroy All Monsters on DVD and it came with the soundtrack, which I just would listen to on rotation all the time, made every drive epic.
Keck: Yeah, yes but they yeah they were yes they were relatively short and they seemed like almost like a television show to me. and yeah and But I mean, full disclosure, Mothra was always my favorite. and yeah
kevindoc81: Yeah, I think I just...
Keck: that.
kevindoc81: I think my earliest, but I don't remember what which Godzilla fan movie was my earliest, because I used to watch them with my dad, but I remember the first giant monster movie that I watched that got me into it was the not Godzilla at all, but Night of the Lepus, along with the giant bunny rabbits.
Manny: oh
Keck: Oh yeah, I watched that with you and with your dad. Your dad came like, we were like, we were like, yo, Ken, check this out. And yeah, it had the, yeah, Night of the Lepus with the shiny bunny rabbits.
Manny: You know, I watched with my family.
Keck: Yeah.
kevindoc81: Yeah, that was the first one I'd watched.
Keck: that always like The first time you saw Night of the Lepus was with your dad showing it to you?
kevindoc81: I'd watched with him back in the back when it was on. And I was like, what is this? It was it was with my dad.
Keck: Oh, I didn't realize that.
kevindoc81: Yeah. When I was younger. Yeah. I showed it to you to to be like, yo, you got to check out.
Keck: yeah no i thought it was something like you discovered and like something you showed to your dad as like yo check this out i didn't realize like dad was like yo like come here son watch this the bunnies yeah well i knew that
kevindoc81: Yeah.
kevindoc81: Oh, no. Yeah.
kevindoc81: No, because he was a big Star Trek original series guy and generations. So that's how I got into Star Trek was through him. And because, which character were one of the characters from Star Trek was in Night of the Lepus. I believe it was the doc, the doctor.
Manny: those
kevindoc81: He's in Night of the Lepus. So that's why that was his connection to that movie.
kevindoc81: Yeah, but, uh,
Keck: Yeah, I would say the last time I saw Night of the Lepus was probably in the early 2000s.
kevindoc81: but
Keck: So yeah, it's been 20 years for me too. I watched it with Kevin. It's the one and only time I saw. I can't say that I would. The only way I'd probably watch Night of the Lepus again is if I wanted to like expose like, you know, some like, you know, my friend's children or something to it. Like, you know, I mean, it's like a joke or something. I could not see myself sitting down and sitting through a night of the deepest as like an adult. I I can't.
kevindoc81: yeah
Keck: But I would definitely if I was with children, I would.
kevindoc81: yeah
Keck: Yeah.
kevindoc81: Then I remember seeing that shitty ma Matthew Broderick, Godzilla 98, American film in theaters, but then i I remember not liking that one.
Keck: yeah I remember liking that one.
Manny: Thank you.
Keck: That's the last Godzilla movie that I saw. The last Godzilla movie that I watched from beginning to end, because I really liked the trailer for it, where those guys are out on like the dock. I remember thinking it was cool, and I liked Matthew Broderick. I mean, you know, in that time, who didn't? I mean, he was Ferris Bueller. And fucking, but from that movie until Godzilla -verse Kong.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: Whichever one that had the little brat from Stranger Things in it. That was the last Godzilla movie I had actually sat and watched all the way through.
kevindoc81: Oh, so I remember seeing Godzilla 2000 in theaters, and that was the first Toho Japanese Godzilla I got to see in theaters, so I was excited for that. And I remember liking that one. And then I saw Final Wars in theaters. I did not get a chance to see Shin Godzilla, which i'm still I still haven't seen that one yet, but I hear that one's really good.
Manny: Same.
Keck: you saw many okay yeah I figured you would see I figured that you had seen every Godzilla movie there was made available just now
Manny: I have not.
kevindoc81: You haven't seen that one either? i thought you would I thought you would have seen that. I was going to ask you questions about that.
Manny: I think I've seen just about all the others.
kevindoc81: OK. Have you seen all all the American ones as well?
Manny: The American ones. Oh yeah. 100%. Yep.
kevindoc81: but you haven't You said you hadn't seen Monarch yet.
Manny: Monarch. Yeah.
kevindoc81: OK. So you still got to watch that. my
Keck: Yeah, we're now we were me and the Manny, we were going to watch the first episode, but I don't know. We had kind of had like a rough night, and we ended up like not watching it the next day. But i I watched the first episode, and I told Kevin it just wasn't for me. But like I would highly advise you to check it out, because you know being such like a fan of those type of movies, you probably would appreciate it more than me. I am gonna give it, we talked about it in the last cast, we did. I am gonna give it one more episode. Dude, it's got Kurt Russell in it.
kevindoc81: Yeah, he only shows up at the very end of the first episode, but then he's in like the rest of the series.
Manny: Yeah.
Keck: so
Keck: So...
kevindoc81: So I was like, you've got to at least watch the second episode. that You get more people.
Keck: Yeah.
kevindoc81: You haven't even done a full Kurt Russell yet.
Keck: Yeah, I don't know.
kevindoc81: So.
Keck: I felt like Kurt Russell was in like the whole first episode. Like he was in the very beginning and then they're like carrying like that robot head towards the end of the first. Well, I don't want to spoil anything for Manny, but, you know, it
kevindoc81: yep like half the fucking season or something like that because it opens with like John Goodman from Calling Skull Island is the opening of that as a scene and it and it ends that season ends with I mean that first episode ends with like the kids meeting Kurt Russell in that like retirement home area that's the first episode yeah but only at the very end
Keck: Kurt Russell was in the first episode.
Keck: Yeah, well, i I don't know. I remember Kurt Russell and there was magic everywhere.
kevindoc81: in your pants. better But that the yeah, the series takes place after the the Godzilla most recent Godzilla one with Aaron Taylor Johnson and Bryan Cranston, it takes place like right after that.
Manny: yeah
Manny: Okay.
kevindoc81: And, i am it you know, it involves Kong Skyline, because since that takes place before, that takes place in what, like the 70s, right, like during the Vietnam War.
Keck: Well, yeah, that's an injustice.
Manny: Yeah.
Keck: I did not see the one with Samuel L. Jackson. That's something I need to, I've realized that's something I need to remedy.
kevindoc81: that one's fantastic
kevindoc81: yeah
Keck: I'm kind of embarrassed. I haven't, it's just, you know, things have been a little crazy for me recently, but that is definitely on my list at the top of my list. you know
kevindoc81: Yeah, that was really good. I mean, I enjoyed, uh, King of Monsters for like the, the, I thought the the battles were great. That's all I was going in for at that point with the American version. So I was like, I just want good Godzilla battles. And then it was like Godzilla versus Kong. I was like, all right, and they're fighting Mechagodzilla. I was like, awesome, this is fun. And then like the, the new one, I even thought the new one, Godzilla X Kong was fun, especially when the fucking Kong picks up that small little ape and starts beating the other apes with the small one.
Manny: Yeah, he was just twirling that little, that little shit.
kevindoc81: my favorite part of the whole fucking movie. Are there gonna be long ranges in that rock, Adam?
Keck: Well, I did see.
kevindoc81: yeah
Keck: Yeah, I did see that part. Yeah.
kevindoc81: The most recent Godzilla X -Con.
Manny: But the
Keck: Which film was that from?
Manny: new
Keck: Well I must have seen, because I remember thinking of a Game of Thrones when the White Walkers attack and the giant picks up like that huge log and is hitting at the army of the dead and I remember thinking of that when I saw that scene.
kevindoc81: from
Keck: If you're familiar with what I'm talking about, if you go Game of Thrones, it was when they went to the northern language, like, yeah, stronghold.
Manny: Yeah, yep, yep, yep.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Manny: The ice wall, yeah.
kevindoc81: yeah
Keck: And I remember thinking you know reminiscing of that with that. So yeah, I must have seen that scene. i
kevindoc81: Well, I definitely described it to you.
Manny: So I, yeah, have I have a massive gripe with GodzillaXcom.
kevindoc81: That's for sure. We definitely talked about it.
Keck: Well,
Keck: Oh I was just kind of like interested in because Manny said that like it's up like it is you said it's tied with Terminator 2 for the best it's minus one yeah well yeah no I've realized that I get that completely but I'm saying Godzilla minus one which is the topic right now
Manny: That minus one minus one Yeah Yeah hundred percent
kevindoc81: Yeah. until minus one but that but that's said That's unrelated to the American rope ones that like, yeah.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: you said that it's tied with Terminator 2 for your favorite film of all time. I'm kind of interested in why that was because I will be honest there was a certain part well actually there were maybe two points in Godzilla because Godzilla was almost like sort of like a metaphor
Manny: no yeah
Keck: for what the Japanese people experienced post -World War II.
Manny: yeah
Keck: And there were a few times in the film where you know I felt, I'll just be honest, I was a little bit emotional.
Manny: No, yeah, yeah i got I got emotional tons of times during that movie.
Keck: And I thought it was really interesting how Godzilla was kind of used in like, you know, just it wasn't did it going into a thinking of it as a Godzilla movie.
Manny: but i won't
kevindoc81: Thank
Keck: When I came out of it, I was just like, wow, that was something that I've in any Godzilla movie I've ever seen or heard of before. Like, I was like, wow, that was completely unique. That's what I know.
Manny: Yeah, that was be getting back to the roots of Godzilla.
kevindoc81: you
Manny: Godzilla was a metaphor for allegory for the nuclear bomb. And and and here it was this was like more like a war movie that dealt with post -traumatic stress syndrome and the loss and tragedy of
Keck: Yeah, suffering, yeah. Yeah.
Manny: you know, loved ones and the the guilt that but the main character felt for survivors
Keck: That he let his country down, yeah.
kevindoc81: you
kevindoc81: you do You mean that coward?
Keck: Yeah.
kevindoc81: He was a coward, the whole movie.
Manny: Yeah. like
kevindoc81: I was like, that goddamn coward.
Keck: Yeah.
Manny: yeah
Keck: and but there was such a I mean you could I mean just struggling with like extreme depression myself like I i could feel it just like vibing off of the guy like you know they did an excellent job not only like the actors who I thought were all excellent I really like that uh
Manny: Oh, yeah.
Keck: kind of quirky doctor how he like came to life and they found that he was kind of like a bigwig with the government and also I mean what I didn't realize because I ended up watching the movie twice because the first time like I wasn't like I didn't feel like I was vested enough in it but like I thought it was interesting how like at the end the government was kind of like, yeah, we don't know what the fuck to do. And it was sort of like the people rising up and taking back because it was done by private industry, really.
Manny: oh
Keck: Like defeating Godzilla. the Do you disagree or you know how they kind of like met up and had those meetings and the government and the army, those were like retired admirals and stuff. like It was like the people taking back like their island and doing what you know they felt that the government failed to do.
Manny: Right. Right.
Manny: Yeah. Yeah, it was redemption.
Keck: like you know Yeah, exactly.
Manny: got A lot of lot of it was redemption, yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
Manny: and but yeah, seeing that it was, uh, and I guess, you know, we're all, you know, close in age and we're kind of like the last children of the like cold war.
Keck: Yeah.
Manny: So it was just like that, you know, the, the, the, the nuclear stuff is always like, but which is partially why T2 is up there for many reasons, but that's partially that too, that, that is a reality for us. And that's like, It's just one of those things that's imprinted, that's always there, and that's the horrifying part.
Keck: Yeah. I also like the isolationism part of it too because like the people of Japan like they were saying like you know like alright there is this prehistoric monster that's like attacking Japan and they were like yeah the Americans cannot be involved because like they're worried about like you know the arms race and like you know the Soviets and stuff like that but I mean it's total bullshit because America would be interested in the Soviets
kevindoc81: you
Manny: It's obvious.
Keck: would be interested in the discovery of a dinosaur that has like the power to like basically shoot nukes out of People didn't want to think about what they had done to Japan, which was recently very well illustrated in Oppenheimer.
Manny: Yeah.
Manny: Yeah.
Keck: you know it it was like
kevindoc81: It's a good double feature. I'm a climber into Godzilla minus one
Keck: And the guy yeah that would yeah because i was thinking about often but it was just like you know like you know Oppenheimer saying like you know i feel like i bought people did not want to come to the realization as to what really was unleashed on Japan. And I thought that they did a very good job of telling that story without it being like anti -American or anti -Russian propaganda.
Keck: You know what I mean?
Manny: right
Keck: They did it in a way where it was just like, you know, this is how it was for us.
Manny: Right Yeah, the interface is alone
Keck: And I thought that was very powerful. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah, that so yes I feel that.
kevindoc81: Like when like going going into this movie, I was not like, I was like, all right, I'm going to see a fucking Godzilla movie. You know, we've gotten tons of these over the years to various degrees, especially like Toho. It ends up being a lot of like boardroom conversations of like, how do we stop this thing or whatever? then I think Final Wars had like aliens and shit. And it was like, so I'm like, alright, I'm just going in expecting, you know, what fucking Godzilla. I just want to see Godzilla fucking wreck, fucking wreck shit.
kevindoc81: That's all I'm expecting.
Manny: Yeah.
kevindoc81: Good Godzilla monster shit. Now I get in there and I'm watching.
Keck: Well, he did do that. He definitely did that.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
kevindoc81: in there that suddenly like all right he shows up in that like the first like five minutes fucking amazing and then suddenly like you're thrown into like this post -war movie about uh you know a kamikaze pilot who like didn't you know didn't want to go through that he just wanted to live and then he goes back home and like people are calling him a fucking coward and shit because he's like you know He was like, oh, we love that your place to your home wouldn't be destroyed if you didn't go through with this shit. And it's like, that's fucking bullshit.
Manny: Yeah, yeah, yeah
kevindoc81: Like, it would have been fucking different anyway. But then like, yeah, then like him, you know, helping helping that other girl out who had helped the baby out. And then like, I love i loved also how they showed like the passage of time with like, her like and went for like it like this hunt to like, it's going to be built up as well. And then like, and it's just like loss.
Manny: Yeah.
kevindoc81: I feel like as soon as like shit's starting to get like good for him, like Godzilla fucking attacks and he goes into like, save her and like, the shit gets fucked up.
Manny: Right, right, yeah.
kevindoc81: Like that's by my favorite fucking scene. Like you're watching like this hardcore drama and then every fucking 10 minutes Godzilla shows up. and And like half the time you forget Godzilla's even in this movie, and but when he does show up, he's front and fucking center and he's fucking drawing shit.
Manny: right right yeah
Manny: yeah yeah the Yeah, the humanistic element of the ground level of rebuilding after the devastation of war. and So it was like total the rebuilding of self and society and then tragedy again and then redemption.
kevindoc81: Yeah, and I liked how they fit in the whole part where like, they it kind of went into like, okay, him getting another job and what was the job is like post war cleanup, we have to get rid of these mines and shit like that. I love like, that aspect of it.
Keck: Yeah.
kevindoc81: And that's how like, they get back out on the boat and Godzilla is in again. And it's like, yeah, I thought that was like, super fucking cool it's like oh we got this specialized boat and it's just like this wooden bed and then we fucking up and he's he's fucking good at the being the gunner and shit like that and like so yeah i can't rebuild it his life and it's just destroyed again
Manny: Yes. When? When?
Keck: and
Keck: There was an interesting dynamic to between him and the woman who had the She found the child on she didn't like abduct that child from but Yeah, it was left to her so she but there was a part where well when he believed her to be dead and And he was criticized by his employees for, like I guess, not marrying her or something like that.
Manny: No. The child was left to her by her dying parents.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Manny: Right. Yes. Yeah.
Keck: And to me, that like brought the memory of like him like kind of like still struggling with his own like internal cowardice.
Manny: Yeah.
Keck: like you know I mean because like he obviously felt like he would like we just said the kamikaze by what why the fuck you would like want to like volunteer to do that I mean well it was just their culture the way they wage warfare that goes back like you know along I mean that's a whole that's a history lesson but like yeah
kevindoc81: Yeah, I don't know how much of it. It's volunteer as much as it's like national pride or being forced on him like if he joined or whatever, he yeah.
Keck: Yeah, well, yeah, I'm not really, I mean, you, we would have to get into a whole thing of about that, which I'm not trying to do, but like, it was still like this, like sort of like internal strife he had within him, like a failure to commit because like, you know, he loved her and he was like afraid to tell her his feelings.
Manny: yeah Yeah, he's... Yeah.
Keck: He failed on the battlefield, you know, he failed at, you know, he was failing at life in general except to do that extremely dangerous job which like you said the survivors guilt like you know going out and looking for mines you're most likely going to die
Manny: yeah yeah
Keck: And then they find out that, like, oh, not only are you going out to find mines, but by the way, that creature that, like, you first encountered, like, has gotten, like, I think about two years had passed when they encamped from when he encountered him on this small island in the very beginning.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Manny: Yeah
Keck: I think it was, uh, that was 1945 and I think it was 1947 when Godzilla is seen again, right?
Manny: yeah. yeah
Keck: yeah, so in two years that monster, you know, had like doubled or tripled maybe in size.
Manny: right ye
Keck: And, like, they were like, you know, not only are you going out here to get mines, by the way, like, there's a prehistoric monster out here that is just an unstoppable force.
Manny: yeah
Keck: All, like, the secret agencies know about it, and, like, you're just out here, you know, so...
Manny: Yeah. Hold as long as you can.
Keck: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it was a very... I went in totally blind.
Manny: so
Keck: I went in totally blind. I had known from you that Manny, I mean, I had known from you that you had told me it was like really epic and really deep and it's not what you think. And that gave me some expectation that I was going to see something where it wasn't just all about Godzilla, but like it still caught me by surprise of the originality.
Manny: Just, so.
Keck: of you know the film, the concept. I mean, yeah, it was just, it was very well done.
Manny: Yeah, it was definitely, you know, totally moving from beginning to end.
Keck: Yeah. yeah
Manny: And when when they're out on the boat and they're being chased, and then you you kind of forget for a second that right when the the naval ship comes to their aid, and that's that was just like a total, yeah, moment, you know, where you just like mated, that help finally came from them. And then for that hope to be dashed away so quickly,
kevindoc81: and
kevindoc81: yeah like Yeah, Godzilla fucking just wrecks that fucking ship.
Keck: Well, because he's like he's basically Jason.
Manny: Yeah.
kevindoc81: so the like
Manny: Yeah, yeah. I mean, heat he tanked his cannons.
Keck: He's a non -stop killing machine.
Manny: He totally tanked those cannons. to You know, you see them go down and you think, oh, maybe maybe they'll be able to get away.
Keck: Maybe,
Keck: maybe but you know dealing with dark powers of this nature.
Manny: Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
Keck: yeah
kevindoc81: yeah anytime like anybody would like try to like fuck with godzilla and like including the america the american ones i just be like what are you doing man just get out of his fucking way dude like you're just gonna anger him worse like you're not gonna beat him
Keck: yeah yeah it's the best way you can like defeat Godzilla is by like just ignoring Godzilla yeah yeah evacuation plans like get out of his past out of his path like just don't fuck with him like yeah
Manny: Yeah.
kevindoc81: yeah just let him do his thing he'll go back and rest eventually just leave him the fuck alone
Manny: Yeah. He's basically giant Karen. and You just deal with them by not dealing with them.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah, I mean, you it's like playing Rosham Bow where, you know, you let him kick you and then you just run away. You know, it's just, yeah, you basically just don't want to fuck with him. Yeah, that's the only thing. And yet he will eventually, that's kind of like a theme. He will eventually go away. But I mean, in this situation, they, well, they had fucked with him too much. And he wasn't planning on leaving until so I mean, you know, but Yeah, it was just really well done now.
kevindoc81: Thank
Keck: I also was very impressed by especially the the CGI When he did the blast I how all the spikes like on his back lit up I'm just talking about like
Manny: yeah
Keck: the visual effects because i was led to believe that they spent a lot less on visual effects in this film as they did the previous godzilla verse con yeah in total that one was like something like 90 million right dad
Manny: yeah
kevindoc81: you.
Manny: Yeah Yeah, I mean the 15 million dollar budget and in total so and
kevindoc81: possiblyly
Manny: and And correct me if I'm wrong, but then the director do all of it himself Yeah, oh Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the but yeah minus one was a 15 million dollar budget in total I
Keck: i don't know doc
kevindoc81: Yeah, know. No, the the American ones are made for like over a hundred million. ease one one point Yeah.
kevindoc81: Yeah. the Even the director was like, I don't know if it was that much, but like, yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: Well, my point is, is I was, for what they had, I was very impressed with like the visual effects.
Manny: Oh, yeah.
kevindoc81: Yeah, I mean, especially with like, if you're gonna, yeah, especially if you're gonna spend that much money, like, I mean, you got like these, I've never seen these actors before.
Keck: And, you know, because i it was high class CGI.
Manny: Yeah.
kevindoc81: I mean, maybe they're big in in Japan, but like, no pun intended.
Keck: yeah
kevindoc81: But uh, like,
Keck: Well, I think that they have to be somewhat established in Japan. I think I did see the doctor, the court doctor I was talking about, like the professor. I think I have seen him in other films before in like maybe an American film. or another Japanese film because I do watch like certain Japanese cinema but for the most part I'm just going to guess that they had to be somewhat established in Japan because they were very talented actors.
Manny: Thank
kevindoc81: Yeah, yeah.
Keck: or i could be totally wrong and they could have all just been first timers and all japanese actors are just fucking brilliant i don't know but i'm going to just i mean i'm just going to assume that they were somewhat known
kevindoc81: they were Yeah.
Manny: you. Definitely well known. Yeah. yeah
Keck: Yeah, so I mean, but yeah I'm not saying like I'm an expert on Japanese, but I recently had watched a movie called Drops of God, which could not be more different from Godzilla.
Manny: Yeah
Keck: It's about wine tasting. And one of the guys that was in Drops of God was also in Godzilla. I'm not going to go into that sidebar. Obviously, a movie about wine tasting and a movie about monsters don't really go with the program. But the yeah.
kevindoc81: drops a consumable.
Keck: I don't know. I'd have to check their IMDB profile. Actually, that's something I wish I had done before we started the cast this evening because I would actually like to know that that's like a question that's pondering in my mind right now. But regardless, I thought the movie was well directed. I thought the special effects were great. I thought the acting was great. I thought the writing was top class. you know Obviously, because I'm not as into these movies as U -Doc and U -Manny, it wasn't going to rate up there with like my favorite movies of all time, but like I totally respect this.
Manny: Thank you very much.
Keck: i mean This is definitely my favorite Godzilla movie that I've ever seen, by far. so That's where I'm at.
kevindoc81: Yeah, I would say the same. It's definitely better. It's bestly definitely the best one I've ever seen as well. And I was i was definitely not expecting it either.
Keck: Now, there's going to be Godzilla minus two, correct?
Manny: Yeah That's not a hundred percent it may not happen the the direct ye Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, I I think I think if they do I
Keck: You don't think?
kevindoc81: yeah
Keck: But they definitely left it open. Well, I guess what I meant is they left it wide fucking open. Like, so if they wanted to have that, it's definitely there. Because Godzilla cannot be defeated.
Manny: go back to it. I think it will be Hidora, that's the toxic waste monster. So that that'll go into from nuclear war to man's pollution and destruction of nature.
Keck: What if it's the aftermath of the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and like the radiation sort of you know like a a fallout thing that creates like monsters like Mothra and stuff like that and that comes into like the next Godzilla if there is a Godzilla monster.
Manny: i think
Manny: yeah
Manny: yeah but i I only suggested Hidora because of the shape that his remnants took.
Keck: Oh, yeah. All right. Yeah, that makes sense.
Manny: so there was there was a particular shape that he that his remnants took that that and and plus if you're going to keep in with a more serious tone that logically you would go from nuclear
Keck: Sort of like a rough. Yeah.
Manny: a nuclear war to to the more ecological side of it and address pollution and mankind's output in fact in nature.
Keck: Yeah, well, I guess I guess you would have to because I mean, yeah, they didn't even realize in Japan how fucked they were until like, you know, years later.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Manny: love
Manny: yeah
Keck: I mean, they knew that things were bad, but they did not know things were going to be that bad.
Manny: But, yeah.
Keck: The contaminating weather and all that.
Manny: But director the did say that there are no definite plans and he and he accepts that there may not it's unlikely that there will be a direct sequel.
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
kevindoc81: Well, I kind of like how like all the different Godzilla's are kind of like, yeah, we just do a solo one -off Godzilla movie. It doesn't have to be connected to any of the other ones, which is really fine with me, so yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
Manny: Right, right.
Keck: yeah
Manny: it was it was It was refreshing in that sense.
kevindoc81: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Manny: But yeah, I mean, look, like I said, I took mushrooms the first time I saw minus one and that really enhanced the emotional aspect of it. And I was you know i was no less emotional. the You know second time but it was it you know, it was deeply moving either way, you know I wouldn't have felt any I wouldn't have felt any differently.
Keck: Yeah. Yeah.
Manny: I not experienced that but uh Yeah, it was that it was terrifying. It was sad. It was tragic. It was all those things and You know the redemption, you know, yeah it got you going, you know, it really pumped you up especially that final scene when they're They're when they've crafted the plan and hatched the plan to defeat them, you know, you're definitely rooting for them Yeah
Keck: Yeah, and it would be in and a or even like some kind of like prequel because in I'm just remembering in the intro scene they knew Godzilla.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: They talked about the people on that island had heard myths. of a creature named Godzilla.
Manny: yeah
Keck: So soap it would open up the possibility for a prequel to maybe when Godzilla was not as like massive and huge and like maybe like you know him coming awakened. like you know centuries before that and it being like you know something like that when you know society was like a lot more primitive I mean it could have been in like the error of the samurai or something like that you know I mean that I mean there's what Godzilla the way they've done it like you guys have like said and described well you know they're very separate you can just make a Godzilla movie around like whatever circumstances
Manny: yeah yeah yeah
kevindoc81: Thank you.
Manny: yeah
Manny: yeah
kevindoc81: some noise at rest.
Manny: Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah
Keck: But it would be interesting if there was like something like a prequel now that I think about it. Because when you think about a sequel, I don't know if it would be possible to match the magic that they brought to this particular film.
kevindoc81: Well, I agree with Manny about how it should be our destruction of, uh, nature.
Keck: yeah
kevindoc81: I mean, a prequel just doesn't sound as interesting to me. I mean, what's, what's the allegory for it? You know, like what's the metaphor against
Keck: well that's what they would have to make i'm just saying that they there or because i'm not no i think there was fighting godzilla sounds very interesting to me but i mean i'm just saying like they left because i'm just i'm just throwing it out there that because they already obviously had
kevindoc81: samurai that just doesn't sound interesting. Like it's not like, it's not like predator versus samurai.
Manny: Yeah.
Keck: knowledge of Godzilla's existence before the attack after the Second World War. Obviously Godzilla had attacked before in that vicinity.
Manny: yeah
Keck: I was just simply saying that like there's so many possibilities.
Manny: Yeah.
Keck: if they
Manny: But he was kind of like a a worshipable, a demigod kind of thing that they offered.
Keck: yeah
Keck: jack Yeah, I'm not saying like yeah I think this should have I'm just saying that like they left it open if they decided like the same director if he were to You know because of the success of this movie, you know, I would think that like, you know It might be possible that he goes in and does something else or you know, maybe not maybe you know
Manny: Yeah.
Manny: Right.
Manny: I'd like that idea for a short film, like sort showing the samurai era, you know.
Keck: yeah but yeah Well, I mean, that's like when we talk about like how we first were exposed to Godzilla and I'm talking about like this like 1950s or I'm not sure exactly what the time is.
kevindoc81: Oh.
Keck: But yeah, I mean, I could see something like that. Yeah, I mean, I don't know me like samurai's and people like with bows and arrows and ballistas and shit like that fighting Godzilla to me that it does sound intriguing. like i don't know like i would like to see like dudes with samurai swords and horses and fucking like shooting fireballs from fucking you know makeshift cannons at like a smaller less developed godzilla that doesn't have all the powers that he has he doesn't have like that thing where you can you know shoot fucking warheads from his mouth to me that would be very very interesting and like
Manny: better.
Keck: them driving Godzilla back into the sea, like Godzilla being like, yo, I just ain't ready for this shit yet. I don't know. To me, that would be interesting. I'm just saying they left it open for so many possibilities. And that's.
kevindoc81: I would just be more interested in a samurai versus predator movie than samurai versus Godzilla.
Keck: Yeah, but the samurai verse predator, that would just be over very quickly because you can't see the predator. He would just be like banging them with the plasma can.
kevindoc81: Did you not see Prey?
Keck: like you know I'm yeah but he didn't have the plasma cannon pray well I've read a whole thing about it it was actually because uh which would pray well I'm not gonna again because this will lead into a huge sidebar that I'm not going to get into
kevindoc81: I mean Prey was even earlier than fucking that.
kevindoc81: how do you know he went How do you know he would have the plasma cannon against the samurai?
kevindoc81: and
Manny: All right, forget, pray.
Keck: so i do watch like or I have read like a lot of the yacha comics about like what they have to go through the training that like they have to go on like a pilgrimage to get certain weapons from the elders and stuff like that so he was kind of like in his like pilgrimage that's why he wouldn't have had that stuff but anyway yeah I'm just saying they left it open
kevindoc81: Yeah, anyway, people could write whoever's writing the next priority movie could just set it against samurai.
Keck: Yeah, they could do with that. Hey, as long as it's not like Shane Black, like doing what he did, like, you know, hopefully he has...
kevindoc81: That doesn't exist.
Manny: Yeah, we never need to speak about that shit ever again.
Keck: yeah Yeah, I, you know, I just assume that, like, I assume that after making that movie, he has at least once thought about killing himself.
kevindoc81: It does not exist.
Keck: Like, I'm not saying, like, he had a gun in his mouth, but do we know that he didn't?
Manny: Headcanon.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah, simply saying.
kevindoc81: It's a shame too. he's done He's done good movies in the past. but
Keck: He has, exactly he he has, but I mean, that that was just, again, I don't want to get, this could really go off the rails here, but back in Godzilla, I thought it was an amazing movie, and yeah, I would definitely, it really brought my, like, I don't know, it really kind of like brought, because I said the last full one I watched,
Manny: Yeah.
Manny: I think it has.
Keck: was the bad one well you described as bad with Matthew Broderick but like it has kind of like brought my interest back to like the whole genre really and i would be interested in seeing uh where they go from here whether or not it has anything to do with this movie or whether it's just something else in like the Godzilla monsters universe it's rekindled my interest
kevindoc81: I didn't like.
Keck: So yeah, for me it was definitely a success.
kevindoc81: All right. Final thoughts, Manny. What was your like, what was your standout moment from the movie? Your favorite part?
Manny: minus one
kevindoc81: Yeah.
kevindoc81: You know it's not shitty, right?
Keck: like oh that shit -eating grin that Mark CA has when he talks about his glory days.
Manny: Yeah. Yeah.
Manny: Yeah. When, when, when he attacked the city and let loose with the, uh, atomic breath and he was smoking and that he just had that, that classic. classic Godzilla grin and But yeah that whole scene when they were running away With the putting the mines in his mouth. I thought that was brilliant. I thought I was like that whole chasing built up right to the the naval ship coming to their aid and that that whole setup and Payoff was probably the my marquee moment
kevindoc81: All right, Keck you.
Keck: Well, Manny had mentioned the Godzilla grin, but my favorite part was when he was, it might be a little cliche because everybody likes the action, but my favorite part was when he was rampaging the city. I thought the graphics, just the way it was done was brilliant, especially right at the part where the film crew is basically you know shooting. They're like, we can't believe this. this is
Manny: It is gross.
Keck: this monster destroying it reminded me I've seen like a lot of movies like for example like the day after tomorrow where you know there's all this danger like l LA being hit by tornadoes and people like for some reason it's like they're like a deer in the headlights like they have to realize they're in extreme danger and like but like they're unable to turn away and
kevindoc81: on Yeah. Yeah.
Keck: and like that those news coverage people were just like look at this like blah blah like god don't he's right you like he sees it like and it's like don't you realize like you need the bouncer you're gonna get ripped and you know they you know got ripped and
Manny: That's real journalism though, that's commitment.
Keck: but it is it's it's total commitment yeah it was all commitment but like that scene where he's just rampaging the city like it was just it looked really fucking cool to me and yeah yeah yeah he yeah he like that was the girl like so yeah yeah it was just like what the
Manny: Yeah, yeah.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
kevindoc81: Yeah, when Godzilla looks at that, when Godzilla looks at that news crew and I'm like, they're like, oh shit, he sees us and he just kind of turns away and like just casually, knocks the building over with his tail. Yeah.
Keck: Yeah, it was almost like Godzilla in his mind was just kind of like, are you fucking serious? so way Do you not see what I just did to half of your city?
kevindoc81: see
Keck: Like, you know, well, fuck it.
kevindoc81: Like,
kevindoc81: Like Godzilla casually was walking through buildings, like with no effort.
Manny: Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
kevindoc81: Like you're just like, it's just in my way.
Manny: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
kevindoc81: I could go around, but nah.
Keck: No, no.
kevindoc81: But yeah, my favorite part was definitely that rampage scene when like, especially when like he had like picked up the train and like just casually like this just just in my way. And I'm just gonna fucking pick it up. And oh, especially when like the earlier and that when he first shows up on the island, and he's not even like eating those people, he just picking up with his mouth and just tossing them aside and shit like that.
Keck: Yeah, yeah.
kevindoc81: So when he gets to the tree and he's just like picking it up and just like fighting it up, like this is just in my way. And then like the fact that like she not only like and survived that, but then like saves him and gets blown fucking away. I was like, holy shit, they've I can't believe they just fucking did that. So that brings me to my last point, which is the only down the only thing negative I have to say about this movie was spoilers in the very fucking end where she's in the coma and like she's still alive. I think they should have just left
Keck: i had I had that issue, I wasn't gonna bring it up, but yeah, I also am of the same opinion.
kevindoc81: You, Manny, how did you feel about that?
Manny: I assumed that the her being irradiated did something you know to her that you obviously see in that in that scene on her neck so I figure I mean I knew it was ridiculous for it to have survived that going through all the being blown with all the debris to inform
kevindoc81: Yeah. She got one, like, fucking, like, 20 blocks.
Keck: Yeah i did I did in the back of my mind though think I hope they don't do this but there's a chance like I thought about it that she might end up living did either of you guys think there was any chance
kevindoc81: why
Manny: no i thought she was gone for sure yeah
Keck: All right, because I did in the back of my mind I was like, you know, like after it's because like I thought the guy was actually going to end up sacrificing himself.
kevindoc81: Yeah. I was
Keck: I thought he was going to die.
kevindoc81: wondering what he did. I was like that goddamn coward.
Keck: when when When he did not die, that put in my head, maybe they're going to go for a semi feel good ending.
Manny: yeah
Keck: Is there any chance he could have survived? And up until the very end, I thought like that they weren't going to go in that direction. But when they did, I was like, fuck, I did have it in the very back of my mind.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: But yeah, I i agree.
kevindoc81: Yeah, I mean, when I. All my rewatch, I didn't like I did catch it like the other they were looking for survivors, but they were like, yeah, probably nobody survived. I was like, yeah, there's no way that fucking chick survived. Like she got blown away like fucking 20 fucking blocks, like we said, and like shit was just crumbled everywhere.
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: It was a power. Yeah, it was a foul.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: I mean, that would have broken just the shock of it would have broke most of the bones in their body.
Manny: Yeah, we go five the internal organs
Keck: like
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah, I think they said she got like buried in Debray and she was like knocked out for a day or two and then they like noticed her or I think that was like their explanation that like, you know, she had been covered by parts of Debray or but like, yeah, I mean that was it was pretty ridiculous for her to survive.
kevindoc81: she would have heard found my maybeia
Manny: Yeah On minus one in particular
Keck: But hey, I mean, it definitely didn't spoil the movie for me by any means. So anyway, well, yeah.
kevindoc81: No, no. But yeah, still 10 out of 10 for me. Absolutely.
Keck: Yeah, yeah, so although that's all I got any any other thoughts on this
Manny: yeah
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Manny: minus one in particular Well, the only other thing, when you mentioned what i mentioning her surviving and having the radiation Godzilla poisoning in her neck, that's what led me leads me to believe that they'll be dealing with the nuclear fallout slash pollution destruction of nature angle and if they do a followup direct follow -up.
kevindoc81: Yeah, I could see that. oh yeah how old How was it in Godzilla -1 -Color?
Keck: Yeah, i can i can I mean, that would be a logical conclusion, yeah.
Manny: I was it was great. I mean, i I think I prefer it I I definitely prefer it in color because it was just so vivid, you know, and it really and it really captured the World War two Aesthetic like the the look of how older movies looked the coloration had the you know, almost like Technicolor kind of deal Yeah, I thought all the colors popped all the sense pops There's nothing bad about it being in black and white but
Keck: yeah
Manny: the the color was was just too vivid and I appreciate the but CG much better.
Keck: Yeah, yeah, fair enough.
kevindoc81: Yeah, I think that's kind of how I felt when I saw Mad Max, Fury Road was like, it's so good. It's so beautiful in color that like, watching it black and white is cool and all. Like it's good, like maybe for like a watch or or something like that. But like, it's like, like, the like you were saying, like the colors are so vibrant. And like, it's so such, it's so beautifully shot that like, color is the only way to fucking watch it for that movie.
Keck: Yeah that's why for my first watch like both you and Manny had said like you know for your first watch you gotta go with color and I definitely don't regret it.
Manny: Yeah.
kevindoc81: i mean
Manny: yeah
kevindoc81: Yeah.
kevindoc81: Yeah, so Godzilla Minus One is out on Netflix now, both with Japanese and the dubbed version, which the dubbed isn't bad actually. For my second watch, we threw the dubbed on. And I was like, okay, yeah I can i could still watch it. there weren't the It wasn't annoying at all. Because half the time I find dubs either like really bad or like the voice is just so off of what they sound like.
Keck: Yeah, I generally don't do dub -dev.
Manny: yeah
Keck: Yeah, I just don't.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
Keck: but And me and Doc mentioned it in the last cast. And before this cast, I also mentioned it to Manny about how Netflix seemed to not really promote the fact that it was going to be released on their platform. It seemed like it just sort of happened.
Manny: Yeah. Check will drop.
Manny: Yeah.
kevindoc81: Yeah, literally it was an announced like the day before that they were just like, Oh yeah, it's gonna be on Netflix tomorrow.
Keck: and
Keck: Yeah I mean I haven't really done any digging into that because you know that would obviously you would think would be like you know something Netflix would like to milk for everything it's worth like within you know hey next month like Godzilla like yeah not Godzilla is just here we just forgot to mention it.
kevindoc81: Like, Oh, cool.
Manny: Yeah.
kevindoc81: All right.
Keck: I'm not sure what exactly transpired to make that happen, but if I ever find out, I'll i'll definitely mention it in another cast.
kevindoc81: Yeah, I remember me and Kat Kat talked about it months ago when we were like, yeah, Godzilla is not theaters anymore because the new ones coming out and like, Toho have an agreement with who has a universal legendary pictures that like they have two to, Godzilla movies out in theaters at the same time.
Manny: Yeah, legendary.
kevindoc81: so And so then they were like, we don't know when
Keck: it was that it it wasn't the same year like in the same year or yeah yeah
kevindoc81: Yeah, in theaters. Yeah, in theaters.
Manny: Yeah, but it hasn't been extended beyond its original planned run for so long that.
kevindoc81: And so we were like,
kevindoc81: Yeah, because it kept making money. People kept going to see it.
Manny: Yeah, yeah.
kevindoc81: So yeah, it got into January.
Keck: yeah
kevindoc81: But then like the new the new American Godzilla came out in like March. And then they were like, Okay, well, it's not gonna be in theaters anymore.
Manny: yeah
kevindoc81: And we don't know when you're gonna be able to watch it. And they were trying to like judge it based on previous ones that they might not get it to like next year, but it was gonna be released in Japan. And like May or June, they said originally, and then it was like, We just don't know. And then suddenly, like, May like 28th, 29th, or something like that, they were like, Oh, yeah, God, so much is coming to Netflix, June 1st.
Manny: Yeah. Yeah,
kevindoc81: And like, I had to go look up and on like I was like, Wait, which region is that?
Manny: yeah I had just spoken with Kak.
kevindoc81: And they're like, all pretty much all regions.
Keck: over it yeah.
kevindoc81: So yeah, it was kind of.
Keck: My sixth sense tells me that in the future, they're probably going to all parties like that have vested interests are going to sit down and maybe like reopen like the legal like structure of when movies can be out.
kevindoc81: a fun i think
Manny: had
Keck: Because as long as everyone's making money, everybody's happy.
Manny: Head.
Keck: And I think that they kind of blundered this a little bit.
Manny: Head. Head.
Keck: because of Godzilla had still been in theaters I think they would have generated a lot more revenue because you know exactly yeah
kevindoc81: They probably wouldn't have put Godzilla, X -Kong, and March, but also they didn't know that Godzilla -1 was going to do so well either. I mean, I think in, like, what? Like, December? So I think i work maybe in November, I think it was like early December it came out.
Manny: Yeah, yeah November November was you know cuz I saw it for my birthday in November yeah Like yeah, yeah by the time I discovered you know For a week right I thought it was only couple
Keck: there
kevindoc81: And it got extended to like, in November, yeah. And then it got extended to like almost the end of January. So I think they only expected, I think they only expected it to be in theaters for maybe a month. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. Because half the time a lot of independent and even international movies are only out for like maybe two hours.
Manny: Yeah.
kevindoc81: And the fact that it got kept getting like not only extended, but it got put into more theaters on top of that too. So I think that's quite unprecedented.
Manny: Yeah, yeah.
kevindoc81: But i'm president but i mean if they had noted it was going to do well, they probably would have pushed Godzilla X -Con back to like the end of the year or something like that, or just somewhere else.
Keck: Yeah.
Manny: Yeah, I learned the summer for summer blog posters on.
kevindoc81: Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Keck: Again, I think they're going to figure this out in the future to maximize profit because, yeah, this was a little bit of a silly blunder, in my opinion. But, hey, the main thing that matters is it's out. People all around the world can see it and enjoy it. And it was, you know, petty, so.
kevindoc81: Yeah, so it goes.
Manny: i I would encourage everyone to not watch the dub because the the acting was so good.
Keck: the
Keck: Yeah, yeah.
Manny: So good.
kevindoc81: Yes, yes, watch wash the subtitle version first.
Keck: Yeah, we at least not that if you decide you have to watch the dub, like just don't do it your first time. Like just, you know, but even if it is a good dubbing, like I'm just saying, hey, that's just my thing.
kevindoc81: Yeah, first time, subtitle, second time, so if the black and white version is not out.
Keck: by the
Keck: Unless you can't read. If you don't know how to read and you want to see Godzilla, like, you know, so big.
kevindoc81: Yeah. yeah
Keck: I mean, and in that and that in that rare instance, like, go go for it. Like, you know, but...
kevindoc81: Yeah, if you want to watch it with like your kid or whatever who's who's not at that level of reading subtitles yet.
Keck: Yeah. Then you think your kid can handle, like, monsters destroying the city and, you know, shit like that.
kevindoc81: Yeah.
kevindoc81: yeah Hey, we all kind of grew up on that, didn't we?
Keck: you know concept of war and cowardice depression anxiety suicide for the greater good you know hey you know some kids are into that but anyway i'm saying uh that's all i got you know mani it was awesome having you on and hope to have you on again in the future and uh yeah that pretty much wraps it up thank you for joining us and uh
kevindoc81: i but
kevindoc81: yeah
Manny: Yeah.
Keck: to all a good night.
Manny: Thanks.
Keck: Peace, guys.
kevindoc81: yeah Thanks for joining us, Manny, and we'll catch you again next time. Thanks for listening to Fright Central.
