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The Secret Life of Walter Mitty w/ Vanya (@nostalgiaphile)
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Doug and Tony sit down with Vanya to discuss Ben Stiller auteurism
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Introduction and Uncle Juice Humor
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Uncle Juice is a good man. He's never gonna stop being the Juice. He could explain a lot, Juice. Just hear him out, Juice. He's right, Juice. Listen, Juice. Juice, Juice, this is your life.
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Juice, Juice, please, Juice. Juice, Juice was there for me every night. It's like he's not really the Juice anymore. I gotta get you dressed, Juice. Juice, Juice, I will.
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Juice, Juice, Juice. Juice. Juice! They have some juice here. They have some fucking juice.
Meet Vanya and Social Media Connections
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see you it's so funny like when you start a show it's like everybody has their own way of jumping in i don't know yeah i i just it's just like i do with pools you just dive into the deep end like you just just just get get in there get wet uh you know this is these guys got juice uh doug and tony we're here with uh vanya also known as sorry my brain is mush what's your hand on Nostalgia file. Nostalgia file. Who am I? I'm Doug. Right. Okay. I'm Doug.
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No. Vanya and I go way back, you know, like Vanya and I connected through Twitter. And it's important to note that Vanya also hosts ah at The Review, Peyton's Sweat. It's a monthly series and it's ah one of the best that The Review hosts at one of the best theaters in Toronto. So I just wanted to say that it's an honor to have Vanya on here. And it's also very weird, you know, because like I'm used to seeing Vanya in person. So like this is the first time I'm doing like a, you know, virtual, but I see her kind of thing, you know, like we've done like yeah Twitter. spaces, but this is a unique frontier, I'd say. It's actually the reverse of what I think a lot of people have is that we're used to being in in real life like friends and same to the person. This is actually freakier to see you like not in like not in the room with
Virtual vs. In-Person Interactions
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me. It's really weird. Exactly. Not in a bar kind of like, oh, yeah look at that guy over there. but i I think people are I think these days a lot of people are more comfortable with this format, but really I'm just like
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Hey, guy. What you doing over there? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we could be anywhere. we're We're inside your computer.
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Yeah. This is all just a fake facade, you know, and just like at some point I'll just like rip it down. Like Mission Impossible styles? or yeah Yeah, the walls fall down. yeah exactly. off My mask. I was in a bowl the entire time. like if Whoa. Yeah.
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That would be a twist. I'm just looking to see what I have in the background. ah It's not great. It's actually not great back there, to be real. my names this a This is a Buffy poster.
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Oh, that's cool. There you go. like ah so in the right homelma boat Like a mounted one that I got from ah Greg Chabot. Anyway, um and then ah back there on that mantle is a bottle of gin and a bottle of Earl Grey tea.
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That's it. Yeah. Hell yeah. It's
Buffy the Vampire Slayer Reboot Cancellation
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a good combo. Shot chaser. Yeah, exactly. The mantle of a single person. but sit there That's the essentials. ah You brought up Buffy as ah as a fan. How do you feel about they were going to do like a reboot or like some kind of legacy sequel, but then it's not happening now, right? Correct? Like, wasn't it canceled?
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Yeah, it got pulled. um Yeah, it sucks because it should definitely have something like that. It's the kind of thing. ah Tons of things are repeated and everybody's always like, oh, well, this is that version for ah this generation. Well, I think Buffy deserves that.
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I actually had an idea for like a show too. I don't want to get into it, but it's really good. It's better than their idea. Well,
Challenges for Creators of Color and Women
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if if you say if you say it, well, we'll cut it. You know, like like we're we're not going to... We save our best ideas because we're often like pitching gold. I mean, yeah. Yeah, yeah I feel like it's gold. Plus there's an opening.
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Huh? Plus there's an opening. Yeah, yeah. I didn't go for it. I mean... they yeah Yeah, because all they said really was that it just wasn't, like, good enough, right? Like, the idea they just didn't want to go forward with it, right? Because they hadn't actually filmed anything. was make money or something? Yeah, and um they I guess they didn't think it was going to make money. It's the same old story, you know?
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Like, People of color, black people can't yeah you can't make money. And then it does. And then women can't make money with their stuff. And then they do. Like Devil Rose Prada is like kicking everybody's ass at the box office. Yeah, exactly. You know, it's like the chick flick. It wasn't going to do anything. And then it just does. And then everybody goes back to the old way of thinking. I don't understand that. It keeps proving itself. And then...
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but But only as so as a one-off that they'll count they won't count it as like an actual...
Success of Diverse Filmmakers
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Because I think another example is like Ryan Coogler's X-Files revival. He's proven just so many time and time again that he can like deliver that that's why he gets to do this. But if he had ah and had had even one movie underperformed or something, he would probably be getting like noted to death or something. Or maybe they would have colder feet.
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Yeah. well Especially after sinners, like you can't really tell them shit. You have to have a specific, well, now they will try. Trust me. They will. Yeah. um But there, know, you have to have a specific kind of identity to just be forgiven over and over and over and keep being able to make stuff. Yeah.
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I was shocked that they didn't even release the pilot, you know, like they just were like, no, we're just, you know, shutting it down, you know, and Chloe Zhao, you know, like I don't love everything she's done, but like at the same time, like she's one, you know, best picture, you know, like yeah you think that you you think that would be worth something.
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Exactly. Right. You think. go Like, i would want to see it, even if it's, you know, good, bad. That's out of the question in my eyes, you know. Like, I'm just more interested in, you know seeing what
Gender Roles in Film
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that would have been. And it seems like yeah everybody who was involved was very passionate about it. So, you know. Yeah, and they had, you know, for Bossy, they had...
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Yeah. sort upeller Like, which is not always the case where you have that person, the person that you need and that they back it and they believe in it. And they had all that. I don't know. I don't know heck's going on. I mean, the thing is, I think it's an it's it's funny. It's like it's an empower empowering thing for women, too. It's like, well, let's stop that. ok because Yeah. Because it's going to go out backwards in every possible way. That's impressive. I mean, that's... That's kind of what's happening right now. so That's the way things are trending. right yeah
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Somebody in a boardroom somewhere is just like, don't you think we've had enough? Don't you think this will hurt men? Don't you think it'll make men feel even more lonely? Don't you realize there's a male loneliness epidemic? They're going feel so bad about it if Buffy's not passed as a male. Yeah.
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yeah yeah Yeah, yeah. they could Just reboot it. It's ah just a really swole dude who's like looks maxing all the time.
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Clavicle. Clavicle plays buff. It makes me still. hate it so much. It just makes me me want to just crawl into a hole. I hate it.
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I'm book-smaxing. That is like, just go to jail. Just and ah just forget it. Yes, yes. eat Lonely. men Men should be lonely. Be lonelier.
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What did you do? If that's what you're going to do with your time in the spotlight, you know, get back in the shadows, you know. But but when it comes to this whole looks faxing thing, you know, Flavikia, I feel like that's also like a thing where like, I feel like the the journalists and the articles that were coming out about this guy, I'm like, I don't want to hear about him. I'm like, why why do i know who he is? i shouldn't know who he is. i shouldn't know who any of those guys are.
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I don't even want to talk about this. like Not to you guys. i want to talk about it because it's funny. But like, I don't want to see it all the time. Like, you're right. Like bury it. Like, i yeah Why do I know? i don't know anything. you know how long I went without knowing like huge plot points to Game of Thrones? I never finished it. But there was one point where I was watching it and a massive thing happened on the show. i went weeks, weeks.
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Yeah, I am i am like, um like, I can do that. I can avoid and people will be like, turn off your blah, blah, and turn do this and set do your settings like that. And I don't I just risk it. I just fly through life. And then I'm i'm fine.
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I never use filters. Like i just i just scroll faster if it seems like there's more stuff on the timeline that I don't like blindly. i focus in on the things that I want to see. Selective vision. and Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And so the fact that this is so on my face and I know about it is that means people are paying way too much attention. It's troubling. It's like, yeah, it's an effortful that like there he's putting people like that are being put like in our field of vision where it's like, no, I get him out of there.
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yeah It's like to distract us or some bullshit. On the scale of meth heads, you know, because he's a meth head. That's like a known thing about him. I'm like, I want to see like, you know, a guy in the street who's doing backflips, you know, like, i you know, somebody who's enjoying life. I don't want to see somebody who's like, oh or or even someone in Florida who's like had surgery to look like the Joker. Like that's a more interesting kind of meth head. That's Toronto. Actually, that's our own Toronto Joker. if you're Oh, OK. I think I think we there's people like we have that in Florida, too, also, though.
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Like where someone's just going to like live it like literally they' like they're just like I'm the Joker and they live as the Joker. are you in Florida? No, no. i'm and i'm in I'm in Illinois. It's just i I hear, you know, legends about like what goes on down there. I'm so relieved for you. Like I was like, was like, how am I going to turn this around? Are you Florida? Okay. No, I mean, my grandparents had a place there that I saw once. You know, like, yeah, I don't fuck with down there. I wouldn't have been like that. I would have been like, oh, no. That's what we would have to real.
John Cusack's Career Highlights
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Don't come for me, people. i don't even I don't even do cocaine anymore, so there's no reason for me to be in Florida. You know, it's like, why would I even go away Anymore. I'll say about Florida is ah Florida, enjoy it while you can. That's what I'll say about Florida. What? Wow. That's funny.
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I mean, it's not like that's going away. So it's going to keep pressing. Well, Illinois. i never been that I've never been there.
00:11:12
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and oh Chicago. It's the best. Hell yeah. Best city in the world. I know. i know. Rollo Toadie. I know you the love of Chicago. I know it. Whoops. Whoops.
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Anyways, guys, Ferris Bueller, stay off. Yay, nay. That's your Chicago movie? No, no. The joke was just so obvious. Listen, always a thumbs up. I love that movie. Yeah, it's a good time. great.
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Yeah. It's one of John Hughes's best movies, I would say. Like, just enjoyable front to back. It's the one I've seen the most. Yeah. It was right you i'm probably because there was a time where it was playing all the time on TV. And partially it was like the most played movie on TV for a while um because it was something that most people could relate to because everybody went to school.
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So that's why the stations just kept like running and running and running it. It's also like teenage, but it's not like too vulgar. It's not like, you know, like parents could watch it and not feel too like, oh, my dear, you know, like, oh, my heavens. It's not that kind of movie. I was thinking about... Actually, I was talking about maybe the raunchiest part in the whole movie, which is not even raunchy, but it's just when... Because i was talking about how there's a picture of, I can't remember who plays Sloane. can't remember the actress and Jennifer Grey. There's a picture like behind the scenes photograph of them kissing. And so like once a year, I'll like put that in my Instagram story and I'll...
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with that with the ah caption. So that's how it is in their family. and Because it's from the movie and I just think it's so funny. But um yeah, so and that's probably like the raunchiest, which is not raunchy thing in the movie is when they're kissing. It's a good joke though. The dad, and he thinks it's the dad. Her dad coming to pick her up and they're like making out.
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It's really funny. It is a good bit. Yeah, it's great. It's great that. Yeah. Classic Chicago movie. um
Highlighting Cusack's Iconic Films
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OK, so John Cusack thoughts that you just keep doing. yeah but that's That's my that's my touchdown. John Cusack, I'd say don't seem enough. You know, I feel like he's been gone a lot. Is he just doing movies in China now or like what's his what's he working on? Well, he's just like.
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tweeting all that's what he does yeah tweeting all professional tweeter he's very pro palestine i believe okay well yeah i i support that that's like most of his timeline it's about when we're gonna get the gross point blank legacy sequel little little blanks i don't know when we when are we gonna get 1409
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checking back in samuel jackson's like i thought you were already collected your deposit like i don't know um what what what is the best john cusack movie in your guys's eyes like now now i i i'm defaulting to gross point blank just because it's got it's kind of just has everything for me yeah i mean got the high fidelity Yeah, that's great one, too. No, no, you go ahead. Go ahead. No, was just like, you know, the romance works, the soundtrack's a banger, and then, like, there is, like, good action in it. You like, for a robocop, you're like, oh, the action's going throwaway or something. Like, no, it's actually, like, some really cool fight scenes.
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Mm-hmm. is really good. I think I pick High Fidelity because, well, I love... at every iteration, like read book and I love the show and, um, and, uh, but I love the film, but I like it because he made it and he's like, he basically made that movie, you know, like he got that movie made. And so it's like very much him.
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Um, I think he's like very authentic in that and his acting's great. Um, yeah, I just like that. I like that. It's like, um And it's in Chicago because. Yeah. no And and um you see so he kind of turned and like made it about like the kind of people that he would have known, but use the same stuff. You know, it's it's it's great.
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So and probably that one. What about you, Tony? What's your favorite? Yeah. one thing I will say about high fidelity is I do like how like it covers like the whole oeuvre of his talent, you know, like you see like yeah manic, you see comedic, you see romantic, all that stuff. Right. Um, I, I do have to go with 1408.
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Like I do like it when he's in, you know, paranoid thriller mode and he's like a little too serious. And like, there are some actors who can fit into that kind of either straight to video or straight to video adjacent kind of thriller film. Some people who sell that more convincingly than others. I say like John Cusack is alongside Liam Neeson in terms of doing that better, you know? like like And seeing someone tightly wound unravel is like always fun, but especially like the way he plays it is especially satisfying. He's never bad.
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He's never bad. No. No. He does his research. You know, though the one movie I don't think anyone was good in, did you guys ever see the Stephen King movie, Cell? Yeah. No, I never saw that one.
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Yeah. van Yeah. Yeah. the cell phones yeah Oh, my God. That yeah is horrendous. Yeah. I don't even know if that was John Cusack's fault. Like, Doug, do you know? he but No, that's not his fault. Is it like the cell phones transmit like it's like it's almost like a apocalyptic zombie thing, but it's like cell phones transmit it. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah, that they gotta go nuts. there There's parts where they do things that are goofy. It's it's maybe like a funny watch, if if for whatever reason. He's, um... Yeah, I was like, yeah, 1408.
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Nice pick. I had an identity the other day with somebody. why was Identity? Yeah. Some people hate that movie because of the ending. And I, for me, yeah, you hate it So you think you think the ending undoes any goodwill the movie had, or did you not like the movie up until that point and ah otherwise already? Yeah.
00:17:48
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Consider me all of the above. i found that movie funny. You know, I enjoyed it when I was like, you know, OK, we ended up at this place. But at the same time, i like some of the performances, but the writing is all over the place. It scared me. I remember thinking scared me and I haven't seen it since. Yeah. But I don't know if that's real.
00:18:09
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ah You know, like, I don't know if I... may be like a memory. Yeah, I saw it in the cinema. I saw it when it came out because I'm big. I
Nostalgia for 80s Actors and Films
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was like, even more so back then, I was a big John Cusack fan. So didn't go to and see it in the cinema.
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um But I don't... And I remember being like freaked out by it and being like, um I don't want to watch that again. um But I don't know that I would feel that. I feel like I could probably watch it again and it would affect me in the same way.
00:18:36
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Yeah. Did Ben Stiller ever do a movie with John Cusack? I'm blanking on that. Let's look that up. I feel like those two should have done something. Yeah. Like the window for it has closed kind of. was like the Particularly in the ninety s moved Okay, hold on. something Something came up called Hot Pursuit. A 1987 film with John Cusack.
00:19:06
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ah Yeah, it's like an action comedy. Ben Stiller's like in a smaller role. It seems like his dad might even have a larger part in it. um Yeah, funny.
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Yeah. I've never heard i've never heard of this one. yeah oh Yeah. Jerry Stoller. So great. Mm-hmm.
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Hot Pursuit, you know, I'm not about to watch, you know, a forgotten John Cusack movie. That's that's one of those things. Forgotten John Cusack movies from the 80s specifically, that's one of those, like, dead patches where i'm like, maybe. What if it's really good, though? He the Oscars?
00:19:46
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He showed up at the Oscars? For um Rob Reiner's a tribute because he was on the show thing. Oh. Right. and And he was there. Mm-hmm. And I was like... Shocking.
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I was like...
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Of course, of course, they let him be there because he wasn't going to be close to a mic. They were just standing there. If he was going to be close to a mic, those cowards would not have invited him. I'll tell you that right For sure. I'm surprised that Corey Feldman wasn't there. You know, like he should have been there because of the Robert. I'm surprised, but then not surprised. Kind of. I don't know. wasn't that He wasn't invited.
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Yeah, that that that's that's what I mean. Like the fact that they would exclude him doesn't really surprise me. But I don't know. i'm I'm thinking about not sleeping on Hot Pursuit the more I look into this. This is from the writer director of of the original Tron. ah you got You got a Mankiewicz wrote on this, Tom Mankiewicz. So, you know, like Robert Loja is in it. i think i think there's probably something. I need to watch that.
00:20:48
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keith Keith David's in it. He's also in Stand By Me. It's Junkie that's also in Stand By Me. Right, right, right. What a great character in that. He's such a small part, but he's, this is not a Junkie's podcast, but it's just such a small part. Can be. But he's so, he's so, um it's so emotional. Like, he's so sweet. He's so sweet in that part.
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Like, and yeah, of course he's like perfect because he's, deceased and you know it's all of the only memories you know so it's like he's like right he's like an angel but i just love his performance in that the way he like leans over to will wheaton and he's just like it's really good story you know like i always like i'm gonna cry
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i'm gonna cry good filmmaking this would reiner had the juice and And even like young Cusack, you know, like he's got like that authoritativeness to him, you know, like he was always leading people in his deliveries, even when he was somebody who was on the back foot. Right. yeah And he was showing that even at a younger age. And that works well for that character, especially when it comes to somebody you learn from. um
Comparing Cusack and Ed Harris
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Yeah. No.
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Love Cusack. Love him and everything he's in. Really. Like I'm on the same page you, Vanya, in the sense that like even if, let's say, he's, you know, lesser than or something, I just like seeing him, you know. yeah he's just john kusack's on screen i'm happy yeah even even in a movie where he has not much like in kanya air when i finally saw it i saw that movie way later i was like he's good in it but his care it's like not even really it's like all about the stuff that's happening on the plane like his character is almost incidental until the very end so i'm like yeah but still cut back to him because i want to see him i want to see him in that little mouth that is It's like a hard, that's a hard role because everyone's going to be thinking about how to, like, wanting to get back to the plane.
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And so you've got to be entertaining all for that time that you're on screen. Every time they cut to him, you know that everyone's going to be wondering, oh, what's going on there? I want to get back. So you have to be really good. Like, it's a harder yeah harder job. Yeah.
00:22:57
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You know, it's the same thing. It's like Ed Harris in the Truman show, right? Like anytime you're pulled out of a simulation, right? You need to have somebody who's of that caliber. And I guess that you could say that John Cusack and Ed Harris are on that same kind of level, you know? Yeah. um ah But yeah, no. Con Air.
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Excellent. hello fun good I I just love that Nick Cage is basically playing Elvis in it. Like his voice is very, he even says mama, like, like, he's like, that's, that's my, that's where my mom was from.
00:23:28
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Like, it's the closest we got to Nick Cage Elvis. Um, yeah. Anyway, secret life of Walter Mitty. I kept waiting for for a way to naturally transit. You like brought up Ben Stiller. He tried. He tried. and He really tried. and and but But then we just kept going harder on John Cusack.
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No, no, hold on. More pressing matters have presented themselves. We'll drill in on this point here. no I'm not complaining. We need to cover Hot Pursuit. i am I am down.
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<unk> put it on the books
Streaming Forgotten Movies
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hey Jamie could you pull it that up you know and then it just turns into you know us just watching it you know live we're just watching Hot Pursuit we're commenting upon it mystery science theater style I mean I'm down let's do a stream of it sometime so I don't know one's no one's gonna come looking for the right like if we do that on Twitch it's probably one of those movies where it's like we can fucking broadcast that everywhere no one's gonna like give us a copyright strike don't know It's so funny. We'll play the movie and then like the studios will get into like a ah fight over who actually owns the rights because like they've lost track over all the deals that they've had. yeah It'll be in like one of those cray areas. Like, do we own that? I don't some i don know. Call our lawyers anyway. They're going to be like, it's going to take more money than we than that movie will ever make for us to pursue this. Let's let it go.
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Right. To hot pursuit
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this. Yes. That's what would happen. The Secret Life of Walter Mitty. The dragonfly ran away But it came back with the story to say
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Yeah. So I definitely had heard about this movie. I remember it having very the trailers had of ah like some kind of impression on me. that i just read I don't know. I just stood out at at the time like I was, of course, a Ben Stiller fan, but.
00:26:09
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This was like when he was trying to be like, no, take me seriously. Kind of like this was kind of the start of it. Right. Like, uh, I mean, i feel like this actually seeing the movie, it's trying to kind of walk in multiple, like it's not a broad comedy, but there are lighter touches to it. So he's not fully leaning Like this isn't like a weepy drama or anything. It's like, it it's, but, uh,
00:26:34
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It does feel like he's trying to like balance of like he doesn't want transition too sharply into something dramatic. Like he's still staying somewhat in his lane. I'd never seen the original movie. I read the short story. It's only like five pages. Like after I watched the movie. It's funny that that's a New Yorker short story. But this movie is about life. magazine like they just couldn't get the rights to new yorker or something or they didn't want to make a new yorker movie i don't know film is a visual medium you know the photography was better in my opinion well that's true because like the photograph yeah i yeah no one talks about photographs with the new yorker it's just cartoons these sean penn could have been a cartoonist
00:27:23
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hu Yeah, sure. They also use it really well. Like, they use the the term life, like, as, like, the overarching... theme right for the whole thing right it's like life is over right like magazine but like life is over his life and how he's changing so it's it is kind of makes sense for the screenplay like it's it's like better almost in that way because they can just keep like hammering that metaphor of the magazine and then as the bigger picture for his how his life is going so it makes sense
00:27:59
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To kind of pull back a bit, you know, like ah before this movie came out, right? Like the the last movie he did was Tropic Thunder, right? Which like, let's let's be honest, that movie kind of just took over, right? Yeah. It was a moment, you know, in terms of like everybody loved it and stuff. Yeah.
00:28:15
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ah You know, that's one of those movies I've revisited from time to time. I've never, like, you know, returned to it and, you know, found it as funny as I remembered it being. You know, it still has some good laughs in it for sure, but it just wasn't all quite there. ah But when it comes to the Walter Mitty movie, I feel like this is him trying to do like an Albert Brooks movie. I feel like he's trying to do, you know, like a adult-minded, serious-ish comedy with kind of broad, sorry, a serious comedy. ish ah drama with some comedy to it right this feels like defending your life kind of style you know um but at the same time this feels even more restrained than that was um and and yeah it's very low-key
00:28:55
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Yeah, surprisingly so. And then ah you're talking about the advertising, Doug. And the one thing that we'll definitely have to address with this movie over and over again is this movie is like cashing in big on like hipster core from like the, you know, early 2010s, like late 2000s. The whole soundtrack of the movie. Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:13
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Arcade Fire, you know, like, I feel like this was, like, besides Where the Wild Things Are, like like, a huge use of their music. It almost felt like Stolen Valor, because I associated that so heavily with Where the Wild Things i was like, you can't use that song.
00:29:30
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Sometimes it's just that you have those associations. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah For sure. ah yeah um Yeah, the soundtrack is great, though. It is really good.
00:29:42
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It's like, it's weird, like, space oddity. um But they don't ever, i don't, they don't ever refer to it as that. They just say Major Tom. They say Major Tom.
00:29:57
Speaker
I think they really toss off like Bowie and stuff. Like everybody knows it's
Walter Mitty's Modern Life Reflections
00:30:01
Speaker
that, right? Yeah, yeah. But I just thought that was interesting how they were like, you know, it's like people who are like big Bowie fans or, you know, people who are sticklers about that kind of thing. Like, you know, um that, you know, like people that refer to, it's like Frankenstein's monster, not Frankenstein, like value mindset, right? They're like, yeah.
00:30:26
Speaker
uh excuse me space oddity um actually yeah you would you would think at least Kristen Wiig's character because she seems like she's like the bigger fan fan in the equation that she would be like you know she like you're saying like she would be the one if someone just said teenage wasteland be like well actually it's Bob O'Reilly you know Yeah, that's another one. I think that, though, maybe, like, they're not really... for fur They only really, i think, refer to the song, like, specifically as a title, like, near the end.
00:31:00
Speaker
um And maybe it's, like, one of those things where he says it and she doesn't correct him. would People do that all the time, which I think is, like... Which tracks for his character. It's really realistic. Yeah. He might not know the title, but...
00:31:14
Speaker
You know, she might know the title, but she doesn't say anything, which is just how, like, life works, right? Where people just don't do bother doing that. Some people have to. is They have to correct you, but other people might not do it, you know?
00:31:30
Speaker
is Is Kristen Wiig's character in this film the first manic pixie single mother? pla but
00:31:40
Speaker
I don't know if she's the first. I would have to like look at a timeline of yeah yeah of like wondering because like because it does it almost feels like it's coming like we've already had the run of like regular manic pixie dream girl. So like, yeah, is this like the evolution now? Like we're seeing the transition phase or is she coming in late? grown up Yeah. is she Or is she grown up?
00:32:03
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Like it's like still residuals because there that was like a time where they were being phased out kind of right. By 2013. Yeah. it kind of feels like that, that was like more, more of like the late two thousands.
00:32:19
Speaker
Yeah. So they, they're kind of like, Well, i mean, they were around for a long time. That's true. or But they didn't have the name. They didn't have the name, but they all, like, they had existed for a while.
00:32:31
Speaker
But then they kind of started to go away. And that's just, like, the same girl that grew up and had a kid. You know?
00:32:44
Speaker
and Yeah. being that Not their mom, but actually one of them, but had a kid. Still still the same. Still the same lady, just older. with a chance It's somewhat just an evolution.
00:32:57
Speaker
it's so It's interesting, her character, because I feel like there almost is an attempt to give her like more interiority than that kind of character, but it's still so we're so... We're we're fully in Walter's POV the whole time. So that doesn't really give us many much wiggle room to like actually make her like a fully fleshed out like person. Like so I'm i'm not even saying that like as as like a flaw of of the movie, because it's probably better that we're like, you know, and like strictly in Walter's head.
00:33:31
Speaker
Uh, but ah yeah, it's, it's, it's interesting that it feels like the, mo the, the screenplay like wants to do that. Cause like just based on other, uh, the writer, Steve Conrad, like I'm a fan of like the shows he's written and he's written a couple other movies like weatherman, ah pursuit of happiness, the promotion, but like, especially like in his shows that he's written,
00:33:53
Speaker
like ah most recently DTF St. Louis, like that he does, even if the perspective is male driven, that he does like try to circle back around to like the female perspective, like, no, no, no, these, they're ah actual people too and have a perspective.
00:34:09
Speaker
So I don't know if this is him like almost fighting against himself in, in, in that sense, or if it's just, just by virtue of the movie structure, he just doesn't, you know, that that's not what the movie's about when, you know, so, which is fine for it to, you know, not focus on that. Yeah.
00:34:24
Speaker
It's just an interesting thing I notice. Yeah. I mean, i think it makes more sense. I mean, the movie is named after him. I mean, there's not, not that that, that the hard and fast rule, like there are other movies that are named after characters and.
00:34:38
Speaker
Clute's the most boring guy in Clute. i love well yeah i I wouldn't say that, but he's definitely not the main character. He's not the main character. Yeah, I was being hard. She's not boring, but but but but yeah, it's not a about him. It was the first movie I was going to bring up as an example, like that is not about him. It's about her, even though it's named after him. But this movie is actually about the character that it's named after. And so it makes makes sense.
00:35:06
Speaker
I'm not sure how we like all stand on this film. Right. I would say like, just based on like testing the waters stuff, I feel like I'm maybe the lowest on this film of everybody here. And part of the reason for that is because I feel like this is kind of like ah a blockbuster version of Garden State. Right. This is like doing like the, you know, like, yeah.
00:35:27
Speaker
life crisis kind of thing. And then especially taking it further by doing like ah a standard midlife crisis. that Now, that's not to deride the film too hard because there's certainly a lot to appreciate about it. But a lot of like what the struggles of this film are, you know, like I can very easily see people just going to be like, cry me a river you know that being said i feel as though there's a lot of like comfort elements about this film you know there's a lot of you know you gotta do it you know you gotta grow up and do blank you know and i can imagine people getting those specific things out of all specific elements of this film and some of it's very entertaining um but that's kind of where i'm coming at this conversation at you know hmm
00:36:11
Speaker
i see I see what you mean about the Garden State comparison. I didn't immediately jump there. It just... ah It does... It did, for me, ah feel and uneven at times. But I think, ah you know, like...
00:36:27
Speaker
Even if someone's like, I feel like it speaks to something broader than just a midlife crisis, just the the the general feeling of like your life didn't go the way you wanted it to go. Like, right. Like that's something like that. a lot of people can can latch on to. So like, I feel like that's a good thrust for the movie to ride. It's just.
00:36:50
Speaker
I wanted it to do more with with certain aspects. Like, since it's so front-loaded with the fantasy stuff, I almost felt like, since like this is this is a movie with like ah a budget, I was like, oh, they could have maybe even gone bigger. like i like I like how they
Breaking Societal Norms in Film
00:37:06
Speaker
try to blend it in into his daily life, but like even if...
00:37:12
Speaker
and I think both I haven't seen the original movie. I think both are pretty, you know different from the original short story. But there's like war. He's fantasizing about war a lot, like in in the short story, like while he's like distracted shopping with his wife and like he's like imagine there's other scenarios, but a lot of like I feel like that's that's trying to tap in or speak to like a specific kind of masculinity that he's like i' picturing himself like, you know, like, I don't know like fighting Germans or something. So like I was like, oh, like you could have had some like more. It could have it could have gone a little more sucker punch with this a little bit. Not that I'm saying most most I'm almost never recommending other movies go more sucker punch, but maybe here.
00:37:52
Speaker
i wouldn't advise it. yeah I it's funny because when I think about the movie. Well, if there's going to be a companion, i I wouldn't have gone Garden State, but I understand the comparison. um Maybe more Stranger Than Fiction. Yeah. first um And ah something like that, where it's like rooted in this like if fantasy and somebody who hasn't, is resting on what they are used to and their familiarity.
00:38:27
Speaker
um i don't even really think about it as like, I'm in like crisis. I just think about it as the way most people are like just going through their life. They have a routine. They don't take many risks. I think that's most people, you know? And so I don't think, i think it's just, I don't think it's midlife. I think it's just that time in his life where is just like, Oh, he's awakened to something.
00:38:54
Speaker
you know, and potentially pushed, pushed to that, you know, by John Penn's character. but But like, really, it's going to be forced upon him.
00:39:06
Speaker
It's not really about him making, being in this crisis. I don't even think he's in a crisis. I think it's just the views things that are happening. You know what I mean? Like, no, I mean, like as a, on him with an internal thing, I think that some of the things that are happening to him have been like,
00:39:23
Speaker
dumped upon him, you know, happening to him. And then he rises to the occasion because, you know, there are other things that he wants in his life, which is to me different than a midlife crisis. You know, it's a little different to me. Anyway.
00:39:37
Speaker
The reason I can't drive. same I have an authority on it. Let me pass this one by you first, then, you know, before I, you know, make any misnomers or, you know. ah But ah the the thing, of that the reason I kind of interpret it that way specifically is because a lot of this film's actually tied up specifically within the 2008-2009 recession.
00:40:00
Speaker
Sure. A lot of this film is about how, you know, a lot of people lost their jobs. And it's also represented through that idea of the transition between print to digital. Right. Which was also happening at that same time. Right. All that stuff is up in the air. And definitely what I will say is, you know, using that term or phrase, this film is also very similar to up in the air. I was going to say that movie is all about that. Yeah.
00:40:24
Speaker
And so when it comes to what this film is about, you know, you're right. It's about, you know, all these things are thrust upon you and you have to go through this kind of like odyssey, right? To kind of go everywhere and there and then back, right? To where he came from and you're a different person. But really all of this stuff is brought upon by, know,
00:40:44
Speaker
their position being downsized, this being like the last hurrah and all of this stuff being a questioning of who they they are as a person. And at ah at this moment, you know, a lot of the film, more than I remembered actually upon revisiting, I was reminded of this more. A lot of this film was reflecting on the person that he was when he was a teenager and going like, I was a lot cooler when I was a teenager. And then a lot of the film was about like trying to get back to that. So that's why I viewed a lot of this film. sure. Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:09
Speaker
Yeah. um ah maybe maybe it's Maybe it's about that, but ah the way I feel about it when I'm watching it is not really what I tapped into. Like, I can agree with that. um I just feel like when I'm watching it, it's bigger.
00:41:25
Speaker
than that. And, and you, you, you, yeah, you are right. It's funny. It's actually such a relevant film today still, which is sure. Like for what's happening, you know? And a yeah, like it's in a way, I guess if it's a midlife crisis there, your life does feel like people do feel like their life is being downsized. like very job that he's doing. So um that does make a lot of sense. Like maybe people aren't going to look at you the same, you know, or even recognize you or even pay attention to what you feel, what you love, what you're into, you know, um that's not going to be a priority for like the people around you maybe. um
00:42:09
Speaker
And so you have to kind of pivot, make different decisions for yourself going forward. um Even if you don't choose to choose to, you're just like made to. okay okay a lot of sorry go ahead no i was just gonna say uh to what vonny's saying like i see what you're saying about it like being bigger than just a midlife price because i think well this could speak to both the midlife crisis of it all but then also what what you're saying the fact that it begins with him on e-harmony like he's unable to send a ah was it a wink i i don't have any harmony account i didn't realize that that the they do winks i don't know if that's how the that site works. But ah the ah the yeah i like I like that that recurring... I didn't expect that to become a recurring thing with him talking to customer service to Pan Oswald. but but But the whole idea of like you leaving sections of your profile blank because you don't know how to sell yourself in terms of like, oh, I haven't done anything impressive. like That's not even just a middle-aged... That's just stuff that I think about sometimes now where I'm like, wait, I wouldn't... Have I done anything cool like that I could like put on a profile? or on ah i mean, later when he's filling out a resume, I'm like, I feel like resumes is just work experience. Like if you did a cool travel thing, that's not where you put that.
00:43:28
Speaker
I was like, what job is you applying for that you do this? I was kind of like, I think I have a note. It's like, don't write your resume like that. Like I don't advise that. But then I'm like, actually...
00:43:39
Speaker
It depends on the job. Well, actually, kind of like the world's coming to an end, so just kind of do whatever. I don't know. Yeah. Right. It's not your... Resumes that could be read by person anyway. like Exactly. They're not going to be read by person. People are still not getting jobs with incredible resumes, so maybe maybe it is right. Who knows? I'm really good at running a rickshaw. That moment was crazy to me. That's probably, you know what? That's the most unbelievable thing that happened in that movie.
00:44:12
Speaker
It's him writing that resume is is it crazy that's crazy him everything else skateboarding down i i yeah i could buy the skateboarding and all that easier that resume writing maybe as i may be having suffering from a bit of ptsd from jobs like but like i was just like what are you doing what are you doing But you're right. Maybe that's what we should try. We should pivot to just write that. Yeah. Like, why not? Just do it Who cares? I saw that this thing, not not to go off topic for a second, but I saw this. John Cusack? Yeah. I was talking to John Cusack. oh yeah I ah saw a thing where somebody was freaking out because somebody was eating a cinnamon roll from the center and and like right from the middle. and whoa And I sent it to this group chat I'm and everybody was like, oh my God. like this is fun We always talk about nonsense stuff. And so everybody was like, oh my God, you got to eat the outside. earn it. You earn the center. And then my friend and then friend Chris in there was just like,
00:45:18
Speaker
Nah, eat the middle, throw the rest out. The world's on fire. Who the fuck cares? And I i was like, what? You can do that? you can eat the center You can do anything. so go ahead. Go ahead, people.
00:45:33
Speaker
I mean, don't come at me with any legalities, but go ahead and write your Walter Mitty resume. Maybe I'll do that tomorrow. Yeah. That's the end of this episode. Everybody send an at at us. Send your resume of Walter Mitty style. You know, we want to see your attempts at this. I mean, It does make, if you, say if you just did it as an exercise, like just as an exercise for your life, if you did your resume ah in those, um in with that um ah template kind of thing, like he did it, would you have, it maybe i that's why I cried at the end of this movie. Would you have,
00:46:11
Speaker
Oh, my God. Would you have any anything of note? Right. Like, would it maybe you feel worse to list it that way? Because then I'd be like, well, fuck. What am I putting?
00:46:22
Speaker
Maybe that's the goal of the film, right? um To kind of get you into that. go Go on an adventure so you can write it on your resume. Yeah. Or, yeah, do something because, you know, like the last thing I want anybody to even mention or even come close to mention is the the fact that I know how to use Excel. Like that's that's like a nightmare, great Right. You know, i don't want i don't I don't want anybody, anyone, just make sure of this. You're younger. I'll probably die before you. So if anyone mentions how good I was at work, that i oh it makes me ill, you know? Yeah.
00:46:58
Speaker
Which is a nice... work i love Unless it's the work I love. No, sure. but but but yeah But I think there is some kind of message there in terms of like his job, even though i think the movie is clearly like pro-life magazine, but the way the corporate space is is like perpetual, yeah, yeah. that it's like it's It's like a limbo that you're trapped in So like the ah the idea of separating your identity from your work, where for some people, that's almost like the goal that we're, or at least we're conditioned to think that should be the goal of like, that we define ourself through some kind of, you know, like success and in in whatever the field. But
Walter Mitty's Climax and Resolution
00:47:40
Speaker
I think the movie is trying to be like, well, no, like you can, you do impressive stuff outside of that.
00:47:46
Speaker
Well, I think it's more like the word life, you know, it's it's it's how you live, right? Not what you're do what you do, but how you live with that. And in the doing, yes, you are living. I mean, he happens to really love his job. Like, he's he's good at his job and he loves his job. And I think it's a very worth worthy profession for sure. um And he's...
00:48:09
Speaker
earned respect from this person who's this artist, you know? Um, and so I think that the point of the, him, it's not about him not liking his job. It's how it's been like taken away from them. Right. So he actually loves his, his position where he like actually loves what he does, um, and is good at it. Um, it's just that the light life, it's what you do. Like,
00:48:34
Speaker
how you're living in all the, all the facets of of it. Right. Not just a walking through punch and clock kind of thing. No, I agree with that, that he likes his job. It's just maybe because I saw, you know, watching Ben Stiller stuff in reverse and having seen Severance, like visually the office space itself, like looked similar to like, kind of like the oppressive, like, ah you know, office in in Severance. Not saying that like those things are equal or anything, but like it just, there's there's there's definitely some Severance Easter eggs, including like some like ancillary cast members, like the guy he sees at the karaoke. Yeah.
00:49:13
Speaker
yeah Yeah, Adam Scott, yeah. course, yeah. But also, like, but at the same time, that final image, like, that the 25, you know, is of him working. He's working, you know. Mm-hmm. Just loving what he's doing. and you can see that he loved that the photograph itself shows you...
00:49:36
Speaker
That he loves it. Like how he's captured him no not knowing that he's being captured shows you he loves his work, you know, in that moment.
00:49:47
Speaker
Actually, i love that moment a lot when they finally see 25 like
00:49:55
Speaker
sometimes, sometimes in movies or in stories or whatever, there's like a buildup of this thing. Yeah. thing There's this thing. And sometimes they don't show it, you know, Pulp Fiction.
00:50:08
Speaker
i don't see what's in the briefcase, right? So it's like, ah laura or Mulligan of in something, right? So it's... you It's risky. It's a real risk in a movie to have a buildup of something that's been talked about the entire film. Especially if you're going to show it. Yeah. And that just and then show it.
00:50:28
Speaker
That is risky. And in this movie, I think it works and it pays off. Like it actually, i was emotional when I saw that. It's a great photo. um And it actually says something about hypocrisy. him as a human and the person that we've been watching the entire time, um it looks good. And the reveal is like very simple. It's not this over to the top. It's not this massive musical sting. It's like, right you know, they just kind of show it. um And that's really risky. Like I just saw Mother Mary...
00:50:59
Speaker
Oh, I saw i still have to see that. Yeah, yeah. But but but there's there's a buildup that doesn't pay off in that. i No, no, I'm not saying. I'm not saying. Okay. saying You can if you want to.
00:51:11
Speaker
ah yes ah just saying that I don't want to give it away. But anyway, there there is like a buildup of the thing. Okay. There is a buildup of the thing. but But you do have to choose usually of like, yeah, am I going to show the thing or or not? And this movie kind of pulls off a double payoff because in a way, yes, it's building to that picture, but the initial build and kind of emotionally what i'm latching on to is just the idea of him getting to sean penn i'm like like little shot shaw sean penn's like the mcguffin really i mean the picture is but but it's like he needs to get to sean it's like the idea of sean penn i said it all again ma oh yeah sorry so yeah same Same difference. but but But I think it pays off in both ways. Like when he finally does find Sean Penn and then the conversation they have about the wallet and then him finally getting the picture back. Like that that's like a series of payoffs that I think like tie in really well. I mean, especially like. And I think they work. I may be the person that likes the movie the most in this.
00:52:17
Speaker
and know But I think they all work, those payoffs. I think those parts work for me. Like, I i pretty much like that whole through line. Like, once we've connected the dots on Sean Penn and are getting the picture and, like, the stuff at the end, like, I... Yeah, like, the the payoffs all work for me. i just...
00:52:36
Speaker
My my biggest issue was like like, oh, could we have gotten here like in a cleaner way or something? Because like it's like the actual moments beats themselves like I felt satisfied from. But there there were parts before the like just earlier in the movie, like kind of like going from like the second to third act or when there's still like like a half hour. There's a point where I'm like, oh, there's still like 40 minutes left. this movie and I wasn't sure not that like feels like it's super dragging but I was just like kind of feels like we should be wrapping up but we're still going for that much longer huh the the core thing is that this whole journey is about you know winding up where you started right it's about you know like all you had it in yourself all along so the the core issue with those kinds of stories is making it feel as though the protagonist wasn't cheated or tricked Right. And I do think that the that this film does a good job and at least, you know, like catching you off center, you know, keeping it so it's least when it that reveal does come, even when you, you know, may see it coming or not, it still feels earned because I think that Walter Mitty as a character, you know, you can talk about how funny it is that Ben Stiller is choosing to direct himself this particular way. to, you know, you know, I'm going to be this character. I'm going to direct myself. I feel it is funny that he's playing this like, shucks, see Jimmy Stewart kind of role. This feels like a very, like there's a bit of ego here. Right, guys? Like, I feel like there is some degree of him trying to be like, I'm the perfect ordinary folk, you know? And I'm not saying that even as like a derision, you know? I think that he does that well in this film.
00:54:17
Speaker
um but but But there's something about that. Is there anything guys wanted to say to that? Yeah. No, I get what you're saying. ah You know, there he i think he does play that that part well, but in terms of...
00:54:35
Speaker
you You know, like, do I believe Ben Stiller as a person has had all these kind of, like, normal existential, um you know, ah problems that, that they're like, a regular person had? I don't know. But, like, he's able to tap into something that that feels genuine when when he's doing it.
00:54:58
Speaker
Yeah, I am. i mean, if he... Sometimes it's like... I don't feel, i I didn't feel like it was egotistical. and that It is, it ah it definitely is. I think any, listen, anybody who says they're going to be a director of film, like, has an ego like that.
00:55:15
Speaker
Like, yeah if you're going to be like, you know, basically hire yourself as to lead a group of people, you know, to do this kind of thing, there is a level of ego that is different from maybe other jobs. Um,
00:55:31
Speaker
and So it's there already. But if he wasn't, if he didn't do the performance well, then I could ding him on that. But it's a good performance. He can act and he directed himself well, you know. um So it's too late kind of to be like, oh, well, because he didn't pull, in my opinion, he pulled it off. If there is a criticism of the movie, it's not going to be that.
00:55:55
Speaker
So then. Sure. what You know. If there's anything I wanted. to be like Oh, sorry. I was gonna say if there's anything that I wanted more from his performance is that I was enjoying the the comedic bits of the different fantasy versions of. him so and i get structurally why the fantasies need the seed and like go away as he his you know he goes on the adventure and he has like you know more fantastical things are happening for real but i kind of still wanted to see you know like when he sees like the mountain climber version of himself and he's doing like the accent stuff like i don't know it's goofy so like i was like you could still sprinkle some of that in somewhere i don't know
00:56:38
Speaker
I think what makes it charming is, like, you get, like, the sequence when he's doing, like, the kickflip. Like, when Kristen Wiig's on the phone, right? Clearly something that's not a dream sequence. love that. Right? Like, it's one of the best parts of the movie, right? Like, because it's him all of a sudden having this, like...
00:56:53
Speaker
superhuman ability you know just to do awesome tricks and didn't speak to the ego of it you know on paper it's very funny you know for i'm gonna write and direct a film or you know like when nobody's looking i'm really good at kickflips you know i think there's something inherently funny with that you know and there's a streak of that throughout this whole film yeah think that was even brought up earlier you know when he's longboarding in you know iceland or greenland wherever when he's on longboarding that's him that's ben stiller doing that you know So it's like, clearly there is a bit of something where it's like Ben Stiller wants to, you know, put himself out there. This is it the Tom Cruise rubbed off on him. He just like spent some time around Tom Cruise. He's like, I i need to do my own stunts.
00:57:36
Speaker
I was thinking about that. You know, is ah that's so funny because I was like, what would this movie be like if that this was Tom Cruise? Oh, God. You would have to, like, can't we buy him as a regular person at this point?
00:57:51
Speaker
Like, yeah I feel like even movies where he did play, like, quote, unquote, like a working class guy, they had to throw in some kind of angle or caveat. Like, now I don't know that Tom Cruise could do, like, I'm just a guy.
00:58:06
Speaker
why Why are we pretending like this doesn't exist? This is called Vanilla Sky, you know? Like, have you seen it? Have you heard of it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like that that's kind of his Walter Mitty, unfortunately. Yeah, I feel like, I don't know. i've For me,
00:58:22
Speaker
um if an actor is good enough... and the direction is good enough, they could pull it you can pull it off. you can And the writing is good enough, you can pull it Sure. Yeah. Contextually, that that's what matters if if you um give it the right elements. I mean, there are certain things that just should not be done.
00:58:41
Speaker
But, know, if you got this juice, then you can... if he
Artistic Influence in Walter Mitty
00:58:46
Speaker
got this juice then you can you can You can do it.
00:58:51
Speaker
The Tom Cruise version would have to be like he would be doing more stuff like that. sea Sean Penn flying into a volcano to get pictures. Tom Cruise would be like, well, I want to be the one doing that.
00:59:05
Speaker
Right. Like that. That would be his creative instinct is like, why am i watching the guy fly into the volcano? I want to fly into a volcano. Let's do that right now.
00:59:17
Speaker
To bring that up, though, geez, like, is there a better, was there a better casting than Sean Penn in this role? Like, I like to call him perfect. At this point in time. I'd like to call him perfectly pretentious Penn. Like, he's just like, he's just like, but I mean that complimentary because, I mean, that's what kind of makes him work is the fact that he's pretentious. That's kind of like, you know, and he like is perfect for this role, you know?
00:59:44
Speaker
And then he was funny, like when he's talking about how I oh and should i guess this should have been more clear. yeah Yeah, because you buy life's pretty funny you buy it as a character thing because you you could roll your eyes at the contrivance of like, oh, well, come on. It was in the wall. But like I but it like the way his characters present, I'm like, yeah, he would do that. You know what? I've thought about things like that where you've done something and you're like, yeah, oh, this is going to be cute.
01:00:12
Speaker
It's going to be cute. I think people have done that before. And then you're just like, or you're trying to do it. And you're then you're like, what was that? What am I thinking? Yeah, in hindsight. You're like, don't do this thing. Except in this movie, it went all the way. Right. So like sometimes you go to do something as a person and you're like, well, this is going to be cute or neat or whatever.
01:00:33
Speaker
And then it's like. then you stop yourself because you're like that's ridiculous. They're never going to find the thing that I hate whatever. They're never going to, it's, that's the waste of time. It's going to, it's not, ah it's not a good gift anymore, you know, um kind of thing. Like, so you stop yourself as a, well, you should. Some, some people don't. um And then there's other things where you do go too far and then you're like, no,
01:00:57
Speaker
Ooh, went too far in that one. Yeah. it When he says it, it's like you relate to it, you know, because he's like, it's kind of cute. it may It makes him more human, too, because he's just like a mythic figure up until that point. Like of someone that like Walter is like kind of idolizing, like because he's never really met him, you know, like they've they work together, but it's not like...
01:01:21
Speaker
as a person, you know, ah it's just like, Oh, this guy is so cool. He does what I want to do Uh, so then actually getting to meet in person, I feel like it's important to humanize him in that moment. And, but while still playing like, like the the Zen Sean Penn thing, cause like, just like ah the offhand way he delivers lines, like when he's like beautiful things, don't ask for attention when he's trying to get the the picture of the tire. Like, I love that line. Like, yeah. he's he's great and stuff like that i feel like there was like a period where he was seen as like legendary prestige actor and then like he went off the deep end right like just public perception wise and this was the film that was like right before that deep end period right so it's like this was like that period when people really still respect them the way that they don't as much now but he's still a great actor you know And I do think that there is a great degree of, you know, humor that he brings to this role.
01:02:16
Speaker
um And I do also like the fact that this simple mistake that he makes in delivering this information to Walter, Walter also makes his own mistakes, you know, in trying to follow those instructions, right? So it's not like, you know, it's entirely on Sean Beds' character. It's also like, you know, they don' they both kind of, you know, have their own shortcomings and it's about perception. So, you know...
01:02:39
Speaker
The film is very, you know, it's trying to be humanist in that sense, where people can kind of make simple mistakes and miscommunication. And it's not, you know, something that's, you know, the end of the world, even though it may feel that way, as we see through those, you know, dream sequences. um Speaking of which, we haven't talked about him so much.
01:02:56
Speaker
ah You know, we were talking about the most unrealistic elements of the film. The most unrealistic element of this film is ah Adam Scott's beard. ah yeah It looks uncanny valley almost where I'm like, what's happening there?
01:03:11
Speaker
um It's so dark. um It's so dark. And I love seeing him play a dick. Yeah, it like a black hole. Crazy. It almost feels like they they they made something and then they kind of darkened the rest of his hair to match it. And then was too far, you know? But also, like, I think...
01:03:34
Speaker
I'm glad they bring it up though. I'm glad at some point somebody acknowledges that it's there because, no but also it's, it you know what? it to I like, i like i remember thinking when I was watching it, cause I watched it this afternoon. Um, like,
01:03:50
Speaker
the seeing Walter with his beard, his, like, very natural-looking kind of, I guess people would say now, the term they use now, kind glow-up beard. Yeah. It's kind of like... who Oh, you know how that makes me feel. ah ah And you you know how to get You know how to get me. That's the crazy. He's pushing the buttons. Because he knows. He knows the buttons. um So, yeah. he
01:04:22
Speaker
yeah So, he, ah like, seeing that comparison. between the two, it made me feel like it was more on purpose than think to like almost compare it to somebody who's like weathered, you know, with their beard has gone through something and they earned that beard in that way where this guy is just like very manicured kind of version of that, you know? So in contrast with each other, it kind of works. Yeah.
01:04:52
Speaker
You know, it's crazy. but it yeah, but in my mind, maybe I'm thinking way it too much into it. But I because I knew I was going to be talking about it. But it did come to my mind. I was just like when he walks into the office and he got refers to him as a dick, like and he he's all bearded and everything. Like it's kind of like, right, because he has a beard by that.
01:05:11
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Right. So like, yeah. So I was like, oh. um the The manicured corporate thing and then the real life, you know, stuff coming, meeting is, you know. I think there's intention there for sure. Like, like, and I think it is additive that he just looks inhuman because he's like represents like a larger existential threat, you know, of like, like this, this corporate downsizing and stuff that so that,
01:05:41
Speaker
ah You know, like the movies is humanist in a lot of ways, but I i feel like, yeah, we don't need to feel sympathy for this guy. he So it's going, you know, like it's fine that he just looks like some kind of uncanny, like but corporate bro monster. Yeah.
01:05:58
Speaker
I feel like he's made to look and Adam Scott is performing him this way, but he's meant to be playing older than Walter Mitty, which is a strange choice. Like he has seniority over him. yeah is Or is it, is the sense of like that there are younger people in the corporate ladder who are above people who want to project that kind of, guy yeah, like, like that they want that authority to project the authority, even though the people below them are older. Like I, maybe I'm reaching, I don't know. but in the air before i brought up and up in the air before he's playing george clooney's character from up in the air right and that's the exact same thing that he's doing in this film right like the kind of taking over oh we're going to restructure all that stuff um so like that's where i'm coming at this he's kind of doing like a george clooney in that film but taken to like from the different humanist perspective that's kind of also why this movie maybe a bit better than up in the air in the sense that like that film is so much about like pull up by your bootstraps. Like it's all about, you know, how you face the problems that face you versus this film where it's about like, you know, sure there are some shortcomings and how it's perceiving, you know, labor and stuff, but this film is much more centered on, you know, what makes you a whole person. And it's saying like, you know, your labor does not define you. It's about what you experience through everyday life, which is a better message.
01:07:14
Speaker
Yeah, I would agree with that in terms of the messaging.
01:07:20
Speaker
Yeah, um there's something else on Disney, but I can't remember.
01:07:28
Speaker
Oops. Oh, it's gone. It's gone. It's gone forever. um Is this... like i guess we No, I was just... It's interesting that this is like, you know, Ben Stiller's done other PG movies, you know, like Night at the Museum or whatever, but this doesn't feel like...
01:07:46
Speaker
like in that milieu, you know, like it's it's like not raunchy, like it's not like trying to be Zoolander or anything, but then it's all, it just feels weird that a movie like this is PG, even though there's nothing objectionable in it that would give it a higher rating. I'm just probably just thinking of the ratings in terms of like, what kid is going to be into this?
01:08:06
Speaker
Me, that was me. and feel what What kid is going to be into Walter Mitty? Mm-hmm. yeah Yeah, me too, also. Oh, okay. so yeah Because I was actually just talking the other day to a friend about how I used to watch Days of Heaven when I was a kid. like Nice. I mean, when I said that to my friend Alicia, who um who does Silent Review, um and she often she was doing a Terrence Malick retrospective, and so I said to her... um
01:08:39
Speaker
ah in the summertime, i think it was last summer, and I said to her, oh, I used to watch Days of Heaven as a kid. Is that weird? And she was like, actually, no, it's like from a kid's perspective. Yeah. um So it it kind of makes sense that you would kind of relate to it. It's narrated by her and all that. And I was like, oh, it kind of made me feel less strange. and but But, you were seeing you know, I was like into it. like i And when I watched it again as an adult, I realized like as a kid, like I...
01:09:09
Speaker
did actually like have an appreciation for like that type of beauty because that's a beautiful movie. I could imagine watching this as a kid. This is a really great looking movie. It's so vibrant. There's oh yeah action action in it. You know what i mean? Like there's just like a lot of things that I think kids could relate to. Probably it would be a great message for kids, for kids, you know, before they get into the place where he is. Yeah.
01:09:35
Speaker
but Yeah, it's probably too late once you're a doll, your life, so you're already stuck. Never too late. No, no, that that's also the point the movie's making. Like, it's not silly. I'm just being silly. yeah I, like, would have loved to see this movie as a kid. And I think, you know, like, if this movie came out, like, like in the 80s or in the 90s or something, and you went, like, your family to see it, it would be kind of cool. Like, it would be, like, you would feel cool having seen it if you were young, you know.
01:10:06
Speaker
This movie is clearly going for like a 50s style of genre, right? Like it's it's going for that adult, like, you know, casual, cozy, safe. And we're talking about how this movie feels. If this movie were to just be on TCM right now, you know, it wasn't a special event. They just threw it on TCM. No one would complain, you know, it would totally fit within the their programming. Right. That's sure And I don't think that's a mistake. Yeah, I think that Ben Stiller was trying to make that kind of film here. He's like, as much as he's influenced by somebody like Albert Brooks, along that that ladder, you know, you're also going to hit like Preston Sturges in them, you know, and a lot of that, like, I forget even who directed Walter Mitty, but like, if I'm not mistaken, like Frank Capra or someone adjacent to that. Oh, the original Walter Mitty.
01:10:53
Speaker
ah It's like in that realm, I want to say. Yeah, if it's not Capra, it's someone-esque. Norman. Norman McLeod. Yeah. mccleod Practically a Capra.
01:11:09
Speaker
Yeah, I'd be interested to see the original and if it has those same kind of cozy vibes. Yeah. Like, obviously, it's going to be different in terms of just, you know, like setting and how it deals with the fantasy stuff.
01:11:24
Speaker
But, yeah, I'm i'm just curious. shany And I want to see Danny Kaye because performance. Excuse me, um because... ah I don't know if you guys know Danny Kaye.
01:11:38
Speaker
Have you ever seen him perform? Have you ever seen a movie with Danny Kaye? White Christmas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. ah um I think that's that's probably the main one
Ben Stiller's Varied Acting Style
01:11:47
Speaker
for me. He's kind of goofy, right? He's kind of goofy, kind of silly, but can kind of have like moments of like,
01:11:55
Speaker
tenderness you know i think that's what you kind of need for that well ben stiller's walter's like subdued more right like so like you're like i'm thinking like oh danny case is going to be it's going to be like a bigger performance probably maybe or maybe it's not maybe what if the original is just like really low-key in a a way that kind of feels atypical for the time Ben Stiller feels like Meet the Parents, Ben Stiller, but like dialed down by 30%, you know, if just like slightly less, but still the spiritually the same person. Yeah.
01:12:27
Speaker
Not, not, um, there's nothing about Mary Ben Stiller. No, no, no, no.
Catherine O'Hara and Rizzo
01:12:32
Speaker
He's too, like, he's compelled by his impulses too much, you know, Meet the Parents, you know, there's a level of assuriveness there. Right, right, right.
01:12:42
Speaker
That movie's funny. Yeah. Yeah, no, for sure. came's out the award winner i move Academy Award winner. Award winner from Something About Mary, right? Yeah.
01:12:52
Speaker
So good. um We have a pleader. ah yeah There's something about Mary we're still talking about. that Yeah, i don't know. We could think of something about Mary podcast. It's ah Keith David's.
01:13:10
Speaker
Oh, he's so funny. How did you get the mo the beans above the wiener? That's the best. each That's... Keith David should have been in this movie. that's That's what we needed. Yeah. That's what Chris Stuckman had over this film.
01:13:26
Speaker
Yeah, he got him for one scene. Good for him. yeah Yeah. But... um ah I love that they got catherinen o'hara but Catherine Catherine O'Hara. Sorry, Catherine O'Hara. I just, oh, rest in peace. Who? I just like had a brief fart, you know? Yeah, no. Catherine Han is the sister, but they did get oh they yeah did get Shirley MacLaine as the mom,
Catherine Hahn's Role in Film
01:13:50
Speaker
too. So that that's... yeah Shirley MacLaine? Okay, I have something to say about Catherine Han in this movie, though.
01:13:57
Speaker
Yes. What's that? You just don't like Grace? I love Greece. That's the best part is when she says, and Rizzo is my favorite character in Greece. And when she says tough and tender, I'm like, yeah, that's Rizzo. Like, i like I know, I like, yeah, I love, I love, love love Rizzo. um But, and then when they use it at the end, when he's inviting her and he says, yeah, tough and tender. And she like agrees. She knows, she understands. I like that.
01:14:26
Speaker
But, Every time Catherine Hunt popped up or said words, I'd be like, oh, oh yeah, you're in this? white Weird. Why are you here? Why are you here? Oddly overqualified. Because it didn't give anything. Well, she just feels disconnected. Yeah. if she If she disappeared from this movie, I would not notice.
01:14:46
Speaker
Like, if they pluck if they just plucked her out from this movie... And I and this is not this is nothing against Catherine. No, no, no. I get what you're saying. i mean, I don't even know what why she's there. her friend Like her really her really only function is just like to introduce the idea of the mom. where I'm like, do you even need to set that up or can you just go to a scene of him visiting his mom?
Walter as an Only Child?
01:15:10
Speaker
Yeah. Mom. Or kid in in the kitchen when they're at the place, I'm like. Okay. Like, it could just be Shirley MacLaine. And also, the idea of Walter, Walter almost makes more sense as a single a child, doesn't it like Like, as an only child? No, I like the idea of him being a big ze bigger, because he seems like the oldest, right? Yeah, right yeah yeah yeah, no, I assume he's the older, more put-together one.
01:15:40
Speaker
It's also the idea that like there's that disparity, right? The idea that he is so put together and that he's got a sibling that's following their dreams, right? And it's the idea that like, oh, she can just be Rizzo, right? And she's happy about that. And to him, it seems like what his dreams are are so unattainable. It's that irony. That's why I see that at least. And that's why I'll defend at least her being there.
01:16:01
Speaker
I think that's the purpose of it. Yeah. You got me on board with that. Hey. Did it have to be Catherine Hahn? No, it didn't. She was overqualified
Patton Oswalt's Comedy Rise
01:16:10
Speaker
for that. I agree with that. Because I was just like, uh. Distracting, right? like Yeah, it is distracting. Every time I hear her voice, because she has such a distinct voice, every time she spoke, I was like, oh, it was jarring. Mm-hmm. What I'm watching M. Night Shyamalan's The Visit? Like, what's going Well, and have her be such a dialed up, like, the ultimate free spirit. Like, I get you want to show the discrepancy between the the two extremes, but it doesn't, like, she's like a cartoon compared to all.
01:16:41
Speaker
But honestly, that could have been, like, every time she's there, it could be, like, a phone call. Like, I feel like it could be, like, a voice a voice acting situation. She could have been Patton Oswalt.
01:16:53
Speaker
Yeah. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Because it's almost like two of that same character, you know. I will say about Patton Oswalt specifically, I feel like with Patton Oswalt, like on the larger scale, like he wasn't a bigger actor at the time. Like he was in smaller things. He was a smaller standup. Had young adult come out yet? Yeah, too.
01:17:13
Speaker
um I think that was after this. Or no, before 2011. This 2013. and So the two years after a young adult.
Visual Style and Cinematic Appeal
01:17:21
Speaker
Yeah. this Whoa, my mind's being blown right now.
01:17:26
Speaker
that's That's crazy. I thought it was the other way around. yeah Steel's heavier than feathers. But what were you saying about it? ah But... valid it' still um When it comes to Patton Oswalt, you know, like I feel like he's mostly known as like, you know, a voice actor kind of character. And he wasn't really known as being like a bit character that would show up in things, especially at this era. So to have him kind of be like, oh, it's me. I'm here, at Patton Oswalt. I remember like, you know, when i saw this film, when it came out, i was like,
01:17:54
Speaker
that's him, Patton Oswalt. I know who that is. i pay attention to his stand-up. and Yeah. I really care. They're just like, that's that's Remy Ratatouille. You'll know. Whatever. Now I feel like, you know, you turn on you know, whatever, Brooklyn Nine-Nine. Yeah, he's always he's always popping up. Sure.
01:18:12
Speaker
Yeah. Actually, that's the first season. you got Patton Oswalt in the package deal kind of thing. I do love the idea that like You know what? I think what it was, I was thinking about Punch Drunk Love, you know, of the sisters in that and how so much of, wait, did we see that together? Yeah, we did. Yes, we did. yeah Great movie. um I was just like, it was a rewatch, but yeah, we saw that.
01:18:43
Speaker
like Yeah, we saw that and we saw Matt and Mara the same night. Oh, nice. That was a good, that was a good, that was a good, that was a good double. And then, ah so, yeah, the idea of them so much of the time, i mean, it's a whole device in the whole movie, people being on the phone, but it's so effective. You know what i mean? Because you get, learn so much and you get so much information, but it's not as like, there's a whole person there. You know what mean?
01:19:10
Speaker
Right. Right. yeah With this thing, we get the information. It's quick. It's impactful. There was something about her there that and maybe it's just like the fact that she's a side ponytail. Anyway, I don't know. There's something about it. Back to Catherine. Yeah. It's really crazy.
01:19:29
Speaker
I love McClane being there. No. Yeah, it's it's great just to see her. um What was I going to Especially as like, oh, sorry. No, no, I forgot what I was going to say. It was probably something about paying out well, but then it it slipped my mind.
01:19:44
Speaker
No, but especially as like a person that is in her in the apartment, because Baxter in the apartment is kind of like a Walter Mitty character. Yeah. a similar kind of He's a similar kind of person. He's like, there're they're like architect there's a similar archetype of person. Pushover, do-gooder, right? Yeah, try yeah. Like trying its best, but they're ultimately a pushover of somebody. And then they are being pushed by like a like a big corporate entity eight also. Right. For different reasons. But still. um
01:20:18
Speaker
And they're quite good at their, he's quite good at his job and all that. And he's kind of getting along okay. But there certain things that he wants and he works with this person that he admires and and is attracted to. Like it's very similar.
01:20:33
Speaker
um And then so to have, to have Shirley McClain in there, kind of nicely.
01:20:40
Speaker
ties the bow. Yeah. Makes it, makes it complete. And then also just to talk about like the kind of way that the corporate thing is designed and it's called up even before severance, right? There is this kind of uniform nature to it. Even though it's like life magazine, there is a bit of detail and there's a richness to it. Right. Um, the, like there's a simplicity to it still. Right. And there is still the idea that this is a corporate job. Yeah. The only thing that adds any kind of flavor to it are the people who work there. And we've talked a bit about some of the side characters there, but I feel like there's so many character actors through all this film, except for only it's at Greenland, right? Where I feel like there's some, you know, local casting going on, right? But when it comes to any time that there's like a side character that's in Life magazine or beyond, it's like ah that guy or that girl, you know, you know them from somewhere. Yeah.
01:21:35
Speaker
Yeah, like the other guy who who works in the basement. I've definitely seen him in other stuff. I think he's in another Steve Conrad movie, the promotion. na I almost forget his name.
01:21:48
Speaker
But yeah, it's, yeah, it is packed in the background too with people. How about the way this movie looks though? have it playing in the background. Um...
01:21:59
Speaker
Yeah, it looks great. at it it's like It's so rich. I just i was just like, it's so rich. It's so... um It's so vibrant. It's so saturated.
01:22:10
Speaker
You know? this is This is the kind of movie that people wish they had visually nowadays. This is what people are, like, dying to have. And everybody's like, it's so dark.
01:22:23
Speaker
It's so dark. And there's, why is everything gray? You know, this movie is, like, the not like that at all. Like, it's on the last legs of that kind of, you know, imagery. um It's so...
01:22:38
Speaker
Every color. Well, and the fact that they actually like went to places like, yes, there is some subbing in for some certain sequences, but like they went to Iceland, you know, like it's like that's they're using the budget in that way where you can see it. It's like, you know, that that adds to it.
01:22:57
Speaker
ah And on that saturation note, like most of this film, like because it's tied into the whole dream logic thing that's going on where a lot of the film is shot considerably, like there's a lot of shooting into angles and symmetry.
01:23:11
Speaker
um But a lot of the film is trying to sell you on things being real. And then when it makes that transition, it feels very natural. Right. They want to have it. So it's like, even though we are now jumping through a window to save a dog but before a building explodes, um it still needs to be colored the same way as that dramatic scene and not feel
Adventure and Discovery in Film
01:23:30
Speaker
different. Right.
01:23:30
Speaker
And so why like a Michael Bay film is colored the same way it is. So for whatever decision they had made throughout the whole film, they found the perfect exact contrast between, you know, something that's like low key, that's still dramatic and something that can at a moment's notice be like we're escaping a volcano. Yeah. And I like that's a great point that you're bringing up there, Vanya, where it's like there's a great contrast here.
01:23:52
Speaker
Very rarely does this film take place at night. A lot of this is just like day adventures running through these places as fast as possible. And there's a real sense of discovery to it. Any of the things that could have been said negatively about this being like a midlife crisis thing, whatever, you can leave that at the door in the sense that you could experience this film of just being like, we're running through Iceland and Greenland. You know, this is a great travelogue film in that sense.
01:24:16
Speaker
But even still, like, to your point about it, it's very rare that it's, like, late. Like, what's the latest it gets maybe on the boat is, like, the latest time of day. Yeah, it's the darkest the film gets, too. Yeah.
01:24:29
Speaker
And you can still clearly see everything. Yeah. And yeah, exactly. It's still like getting all those, even if it's like shadows, like it's it sharp, you know, it's like, it's yeah. Saturation is the word that keeps coming to mind. But then also, um, you have, uh, like when you're in New York, you're getting like, like that magic hour too. That is very specific.
01:24:53
Speaker
Like there's a point where he's in a cab you're in the background, you can kind of see all the way down. Like, you're catching him in the cab. You can see the street all the way down. like mean, it could be fascinating. I don't know. But it's like...
01:25:06
Speaker
Just the the light, how it's hitting the buildings and everything and the window and the car. Like, it's, that's that's the way New York looks, like, in real life. But then it's also cinema, so it's like, it's very, has that, yeah, it's heightened, but it still has that feeling, that magic, that but that time of day with a camera,
01:25:29
Speaker
It's like, like, you know, even if you don't understand how that works or have never experienced or day even tried to capture it, you can feel it. Like you're actually feeling what that looks like. I could, I can imagine like somebody that's from there looking at that and being like, oh that's just like the way home looks, you know, there's like, it's, but also I'm being like entertained with it too, you know, because it looks like those, that timing.
01:25:59
Speaker
m and that But then it's very different from when we're in Iceland. Like, it's completely different kind of coloring and depth because it's, it's it you know, the terrain is completely different.
01:26:12
Speaker
ah And I think that that lighting and how everything's saturated also lends to, like, the whimsy of the film, too, you know? Just very whimsical. Oh, absolutely.
01:26:23
Speaker
You know, when you're when him and Sean Penn are on the mountain and they're looking out at the kids playing and whatever. But then it's like there's the tents and there's like the one little red tent. Like it like every time they cut kept cutting to that. I was like, look that.
01:26:36
Speaker
Look at that nice. Look at that tent. You know, I was like, I was like, really, like, I loved it, you know. So um and even the little red car that he rents.
01:26:47
Speaker
yeah You want the red one or the blue one? Yeah, that's fun song. The plane he flies over in is red. Yeah, yeah. is the Yeah, and so I just, um yeah, it's very whimsical.
01:26:59
Speaker
Such a whimsical movie. And just his use of color in this, I feel like you start to, I mean, I guess I'm not really tracking.
Ben Stiller's Directorial Growth
01:27:10
Speaker
He's directed stuff before this movie, but in terms of visually what he's doing with it, I don't remember Zoolander making like choices like that or something, you know, like. It's fun. Hmm?
01:27:24
Speaker
No, but there are some really incredible, um like, lighting, framing choices in um in ah Reality Bites that I still remember. Like, yep there's a point where ah ah she's like...
01:27:39
Speaker
in like it's sunny and she's wearing sunglasses, Winona Ryder and she's wearing sunglasses. Just the way the light looks at on her skin there, you know, um on her hair and everything. I just remember like there's like a brightness to it. um The framing of her and Ethan Hawke like next to each other when he he's like talking about, oh, just, you know, all we need is like cigarettes and, you know, coffee and like five bucks or whatever.
01:28:03
Speaker
um It's just really pretty. Like there are many moments in that movie where it's really pretty and that's him, you who that that's a movie that like is a moment too right like you watch that film and there are things that may or may not age as well there are narrative things that may not work the best but it's like when you're watching it and you get caught up but you're like i can see why people are obsessed with this you know there's a real energy and a magic that's there yeah and i think that the pairings are interesting Yeah, the visuals stand up, though, because like even I i always remember how Troy looks. That's Ethan Hawke's character, like on stage, like how he's lit on the stage, you know, um is very like particular. Again, it's in a bar. It's something you recognize if you've ever gone and seen a band in a bar like that. But then also it's cinema. So it's a little like, you know, little bit more exaggerated, but it's still like you feel like you're in that space. so
01:28:59
Speaker
you know, he's good at capturing that, like a feeling that you have when you're in those kinds of spaces. Yeah. There was always like a level of like groundedness, right? Like he, but and it was always like centered around some kind of like, you know, real world or comedic effect that he was kind of go for. This is the first time that he's really going expressionist, you know, like he's going on the realms of like what's real. Right. And that that's definitely breaking out of his comfort zone here in Walter Mitty.
01:29:30
Speaker
But at the same time, it's still delivered within the register that we're used to seeing from him. Right. I don't think that this is like, you know, outside of the realm that we're used to with him. It feels natural.
01:29:41
Speaker
I'm actually kind of surprised he doesn't do more stuff like this. It feels weird. and And also when I was thinking about this, I was like, when people talk about like the loss of like the adult comedy or the adult drama. Mm Like, I feel like there used to be more movies just kind of like this that would come out. Yeah, absolutely. yeah Lost these. That are just kind of like. there's There's nothing like this that comes out in theaters now that I can think of.
01:30:09
Speaker
It's funny, like. Sorry, go ahead. Go ahead, Matt. Yeah. You were saying? Yeah. Sorry. No, i I was just saying, like, you're right about that because it's like even when a movie like this comes out, everyone's always like, well, what about this? and they want something else. They're always looking for something else. But it's so funny. The films that all tell you everything about what's happening are always the ones that I feel like I'm missing something. Yeah.
01:30:35
Speaker
Right. right But a movie like this where it's just kind of like things are happening and there's like this fantasy, I'm like, oh, let me get to the end and I feel like complete.
01:30:47
Speaker
But so often I watch movies these days, not to knock everybody, there's some great movies, but i'm I'll be like, that was, what was, what's happened? Because that seemed like a good movie. And then I'm leaving thinking,
01:31:01
Speaker
Oh, I'm missing something. It kind of doesn't leave you with anything. It's a little hollow sometimes. Even yeah even even some, ah you know, and again, not to denigrate all, you there's there's good there's good stuff coming out all the time, but like some movies like will be aesthetically pleasing, but then inside you're like, what am I walking away with here or something? Yeah.
01:31:26
Speaker
Speaking of the fantasies, though, i was just scrolling through this. I forgot. I don't know. I forgot about this, though. The Benjamin Button fantasy. ah i mean, area that movie that movie that movie was that movie was very successful, but I'm just like five years later, we're still doing Benjamin Button bits. Wow, that's crazy. funny And it's actually a really funny bit. Oh, because it's like, like I've never seen it. That's just what I think of the movie or something. That's what he says.
01:31:57
Speaker
It feels like ah a deleted scene from Tropic Thunder almost, right? Like a little bit. was like, yeah, it's something like in the back burner almost. um And what I like about that joke too is that like in the moment that he's talking about it, he's going like, oh, I don't even remember what that movie was. Like it made you smaller or something. He doesn't even know it's about like age.
01:32:19
Speaker
Yeah. And I love that it's like in in the bit, it doesn't quite make sense.
Misremembered Film Scenes
01:32:25
Speaker
It's not what's happened. It's not what is in Benjamin, which makes sense to him saying, I don't even remember it. So they actually, they don't try and like make it the same. They make it as this weird, like who would much more weirder, creepier kind of.
01:32:39
Speaker
It just fits his internal logic or his memory of what he thinks it is. and that's But that's the thing that, that's why that part is actually really, really funny because that, I talk about this all the time about how things change after you've watched, I've watched either you, you haven't seen a movie in a really long time and then you repeat it back or you think you've interpreted it in a certain way. Um, and then you remember it completely wrong.
01:33:07
Speaker
Like, uh, that happens all the time to people. I actually, I went to see Top Gun Maverick. Oh, nice. Um, And I was like, I don't know if I'm going to see it because i felt like I liked it, but I didn't like it as much as I wanted to. But I realized I rewrote it in my mind. Like, I loved it when I saw it. And then when I saw it again this week, I was like...
01:33:30
Speaker
I love this movie. I hadn't seen it. And I rewrote like how I remembered it. I also was talking about just like, you know, i' have probably told this to Rolla Tony before, um that when I was watching The Fugitive, like for years, I would say that Tommy Jones said and when he's in the tunnel and Harrison Ford says, I didn't kill my wife. He i used to be like,
01:34:00
Speaker
ah I don't care. Like, fokkorn likecor like crazy. And he doesn't say it like that at all. It's like a throwaway line. It's just very low key. I don't care. Like, he throws it away. He's like, yeah.
01:34:13
Speaker
He goes, I don't care. just throws it away, which is actually the brilliance of his performance in that. The brilliance is like in that moment is that he doesn't make it big. That's how good of an actor is. I destroyed him for years. i don't care. Crazy. you You were tapping into his JFK performance. You were you were making him... yeah Or other parts of the fugitive, really, because in the other part when he's doing the like the the doghouse, outhouse, you know, that part, he goes, at the end of that, he does the craziest thing. And I've seen it recently, so I know it's accurate. He he does like a head swivel. goes, you' our target, or you know, or feet you know is our fugitive is Dr. Richard Kimball.
Influence of Iconic Actors
01:35:00
Speaker
like like mix He's like And like, but like, let is he's Richard
01:35:06
Speaker
ki Kimball and he does like a weird like head wiggly thing and that's accurate so I don't know what went wrong ah sorry Tommy Lee Jones and Harrison Ford have the same thing where like they act like they're above it all but they're like theater kids at heart you know like they they they really want to go for it when they're given a chance oh for sure um yeah oh sorry were you guys in talking about something No, sorry. Did you have a ah thing you wanted to?
01:35:38
Speaker
Yeah, it's Walter Mitty. It's Walter Mitty. Don't worry. Oh, surprise. Oh, honestly, I thought it was going to be a second time. Yeah, go ahead. No, ah I want to talk about her playing Space Oddity because it's truly, i it's something I actually think, even though I hadn't seen this movie in so long, I think about that scene all the time because I think I was liking the movie, really liking the movie up until that point, but that was the point where it tipped over and I was like,
01:36:07
Speaker
Sometimes um ah one scene can make you love like a whole movie, you know, and that scene really nailed it for me. Sometimes just a good needle drop deployment can lock me in. I feel like that that that happens there. But her performance of it, too, just like not just not the singing even just like her face or her facial expressions, just the way she like, you know, when she's walking by him, how she like looks at him like on a slide, like the side of her eye when she's like when there's the aerial shot and the hairs but the hair is blowing in her face. Oh, it's just it's so it's like it's magic. It's just like what movies can do, you know.
01:36:46
Speaker
Kristen Wiig, no, Kristen Wiig would have killed it if we had a better, like more healthy, like adult comedy drama sphere, because like she can play this kind of stuff so well. yeah I feel like we never see her in this kind of register. Only a few yes if you're like in like independent, and you have to go to like movies that she's done that are independent films that are so tiny, you know, that nobody has seen them. But I've watched a few, you know, um and she's great, you know.
01:37:12
Speaker
she's got the goods for sure in terms of that kind of subtlety um and this one here she absolutely does nail that kind of like like we buy ah there's an earnest to uh midi having that uh you know vision of her to motivate himself and then the relaying of that vision to her later you know i feel like there's something that's earned there as well that like it's seen as this you know declaration of you know feeling towards one another you know It's all earned, you know, and it it it is kind of like the apex of the film in terms of like him realizing what he needs to do, you know, sure. what He needs to let behind, you know, and I think that the film does a good job in terms of handling all of those desperate ah themes without it flying off the rails. the you be Yeah. What are we doing here? You know, and it runs the the.
01:38:05
Speaker
um the right to use that song because I find like nowadays, like needle drops, there's people just dropping songs. Yeah.
01:38:16
Speaker
Yeah, needles. They're just to just putting in songs and then everybody's like, oh my God, that needle drop. No, no, the song is good. Listen, the song is good. Spinning Saudi is a great song. You're always going to get, you're going to get shivers. You're to get those goosebumps because it's a great song, right? You know, when when you're hearing that countdown in that song, incredible. Awesome, right? When he finally, when he says, when he's like, this is ground control control. When that happens in the song, he finally tips over into that.
01:38:41
Speaker
And that's when, like, it was like, it's a kind of a crescendo and so on. he's up, he finally he gets onto the plane. And it's like that, to to to do you know, and it goes. That's something that people think they can just... There's a lot of things and things in television and movies these days where things haven't been earned yet.
01:38:59
Speaker
And people just think they've earned them. And they're just able to just do this thing. That's not how it works. You got to, like... get there and well you got to also place it in the right spot you just can't be just slapping things on there that's good it's like deodorant on a dirty body okay heaven like you got to wash that shit and then that's how the deodorant works or it doesn't work But like people do that with relationships in movies now. It's like all of a sudden we're supposed to love or care about these characters or care about their relationships with each other. it's like you didn't build that up on anything
01:39:31
Speaker
You didn't do anything. Like why why am I supposed to care about these people? That and with music, similar thing. They're just throwing out. They think that they can make like a period piece or, ah you know, or make you feel emotion by just playing an awesome song.
01:39:46
Speaker
But it has to be placed and in the right spot in the movie, you know, to tell that part of the story. Because you' you're telling a story. That's the thing that people, like, don't understand about movies. Sorry, I'm on a rant here.
01:40:01
Speaker
No, go off. It's just that what I think that people don't understand about movies is that all the pieces together...
Collaboration in Filmmaking
01:40:08
Speaker
They have to work together. That's what a director is for. That's what, you know, the all all the pieces. It's the greatest medium in some regards because it takes all the other arts and it puts them all in one place.
01:40:22
Speaker
Right. And so the mastery is how to put those pieces together like an actual, like a puzzle, like a real puzzle. you Right. You can't force, you can't force the, you know, the square into the circle or whatever. You actually have to make them connect and compliment each other. And so um it's so wasted sometimes. You'll see that here, this great song, but it doesn't make sense with this other part of it.
01:40:46
Speaker
You know, you're putting together a quilt and you got to make them, make it look good. You know, you got to make it feel good. You got to make it sound good. And so I i feel like, So often, it's just things are just placed willy-nilly in places.
01:41:02
Speaker
But it has to make sense. You can't just do that. You can, but it sucks. sucks. i I kind of blame, guard people did this before this movie, but i kind of blame Guardians of the Galaxy, even though I like those movies. But like, I feel like that, like a lot of especially bigger budget movies became a way to lax with their needle dropping in terms of like, they're like, oh, we found a cheat code. If we just use the the song, then it doesn't even have to fit the scene. And then the scene works now. And it's like, well, no. Well, yeah.
01:41:36
Speaker
That had a reason. Sorry. I was going to say, what other movie was famous for their soundtrack was Garden State. you know Oh, you're bringing it back. Oh, my God. On the escalator with Frafra, that let go. Like that...
01:41:53
Speaker
That is so good. That's a great needle drop. And it feel you feel everything in that mood that movie. It's like the artistry of like costuming and story and sound and all these things that we put together in a movie.
01:42:09
Speaker
They all have to, like, what the escalator, how the escalator is moving, you know, what's at the time escalator? It has to timed right, yeah. It's all timed right with that song. You know mean? Imagine if that wasn't timed right. You just waste a great song.
01:42:22
Speaker
that's It's so frustrating, um you know, because I feel like that that's a great example. Like, the Kristen Wiig Space Oddity scene is like...
01:42:34
Speaker
it's a great example of how things can be done. You know, all the things coming together, all the little pieces, like, you know, coming together to make a beautiful scene that can write, like you said, be the apex of the the film. um Yeah. and And also just talking to what you were saying about like, you know, if you're going to make use of that song, you have to earn it, right? Like, yeah, the the moment isn't directly commenting upon the lyrics or anything but it's kind of getting the gist of it right and that's kind of i feel like the the best scenes kind of do that right where it's like it's taking the emotion of that song it may even take some specific lyrics and apply that to the action but ultimately it's about getting that emotion of the sequence right and while i will say that there is a bit of inelegant to it because it's just you know him jumping into a helicopter and then like driving away whatever at the same time that that rush that you get when that payoff happens it's played off very nicely and it's Kristen Wiig again who's carrying the sequence like Ben Stiller is good in this movie but like she is the one who's bringing more in terms of that relationship in my opinion okay
01:43:41
Speaker
I mean, it feels like an emotional payoff for Walt. Because like I said, like the the idea of wanting to do more with your life is a very universal one. So this is the moment where it starts to become, for me while watching it, at least like almost like a kind of wish fulfillment of like, oh, he's doing the thing for
Whimsical Elements in Walter Mitty
01:44:02
Speaker
real now. Like he's not just daydreaming. Like this is like...
01:44:05
Speaker
Like, okay, if he can do it and hop on the helicopter, so can I. You know, like that's kind of ah the the feeling I get from from that sequence. um Yeah, the latest thing that I've seen that where it actually works in movies, I guess is Project How Married. There's a moment with music that really works.
01:44:26
Speaker
I still got to see it. There is a musical moment. There is a music moment. um that really works. And I'm just like, there was a moment where I was just in the moot that movie where I was just like, yeah, okay.
01:44:41
Speaker
Yeah, this is good. It's fine. But that scene kind of like, it elevated it. I don't know if it kept it there, but it certainly elevated it in that moment. if If not just momentarily, yeah. Yeah, I was just like,
01:44:56
Speaker
Yeah. And it's everything. But it's not just the song. It's not just the person connected to the song. It's how everybody's performing off each other. It's how it looks in the moment. I like that that feeling. the All the little...
01:45:10
Speaker
all the little pieces, you know, that come together to make that scene. um Yeah, I don't know. It's just, yeah, that kind of whimsy, that it lends, if if that scene doesn't happen, kind of, and there are a lot of other things things that happened that were fantastic and crazy. Yeah.
01:45:27
Speaker
But that kind of is weird because it's that one's a fantasy too, but somehow it grounds the movie. So that when yeah the next thing that happens, one of the things that he happens when he's skateboarding down the mountain is like very close to that scene. And it actually makes you believe that scene more, even though it's not a fantasy anymore. even though it's real like that, like jumping out of the helicopter. Like, I mean, he has a shark fight and that's, and that's where in reality. Yeah. That's, that's the moment that scene, even though that is like the fantasy, everything tips over or into, it's like moving from white, black and white into color kind of. ka Yeah. Like that's what it, it, it tips it over.
01:46:11
Speaker
It's a perfect, perfectly placed, moment my my only like you know if i were to think about nitpicks of like when that transition happens i wish that this was more of a globetrotting thing the fact that they go back to new york at some point that felt weird did you feel like it disrupted it like a little did them you know yeah and it just had to start and stop again it It could have been a phone call, you know, like all the stuff that they were talking about. It could have just been done virtually and all that stuff. I don't want to jump ahead too far. This is a note that I wanted to kind of read the room on a bit, you know. So ah there's a sequence when, ah you know, he's trying to, you know, skateboard or longboard, right? And he's like, oh, I'm going to get that from this kid.
01:46:58
Speaker
How fucking evil is he to try to trade a stretch? I was thinking about that the entire I was like, that's not an equitable trade at all. yeah like yeah maybe Maybe I'm devaluing Stretch Armstrong, but I'm like the long the long board is the the prize there. Yeah.
01:47:16
Speaker
Yeah, you know, there was a moment when I was watching that scene today and I was like, and you it's a a it's in the background. um You hear him say, yeah, see? Like it like this like. Yeah, how cool. Yeah, cool. Cool, right? Kind of thing. like And I'm just like, that's like skeevy.
01:47:33
Speaker
Like, what the fuck, dude? You're taking advantage of these things. You're manipulating. Yeah. And I felt that. But maybe we're supposed to feel that. Well, that's living your life. That's what this movie's about. You've got to manipulate some kids to get the law for it. You've got rip off a kid now and then. That's part of living. No.
01:47:55
Speaker
so It's not what we believe, to be clear. I'm just, what is the movie? maybe Hey, listen, maybe that kid will be able to sell that stretcher. Maybe it's has right it's collectible or something. I don't know. Yeah, maybe. Maybe on the EBA or something.
01:48:11
Speaker
That's the charitable reason. To ride it. But that no, but I did get like a like a what's his name? um What's that character's name? I forget. But I did get like a skeevy kind of like vibe for a second, just for a second. I was just like, um wait a second. You are you are messing with these kids. These poor children just want to play there.
01:48:36
Speaker
They're not even playing too. They're just kind of like hanging out. They're just holding their longboards to be like, we're here, we're kids. You know, like they're doing like one of those. It's funny. my God. I like all of the different, like, you know, i like all the different like things that happen when he is abroad. I don't think that there's any kind of, you know, oh look at all the different cultural differences we have. You know, I feel like a lesser movie would have been, you know, like, oh, i look at how crazy they do it over there or anything. This movie is so much more about like, look at the sights to see this, like these things to explore and to conquer kind of, you know, in a, you know, broad sense. What did you guys think about that?
01:49:16
Speaker
hello Um, I, I would agree with that mostly, although in the montage towards the end, right before he finds Sean Penn, like when he's like repicked up the trail, I was worried that they were going to get into that of like, almost like, I don't even know what to call it. Like, like kind of, yeah, just luxuriating into like, Oh, this is so exotic and straight. Like when has to go to the Afghanistan, but like,
01:49:46
Speaker
I feel like it still ends up on the right side of things because it like is leaning into like most of the film into like a humanist angle. like like It's like, oh, the warlords in Afghanistan, they love the cake. like that's That's the scene. like It's not really playing...
01:50:03
Speaker
I mean, I guess that in the, in that, that that's a subversion of the scary Arab trope, but like, it's not really, it's subverting that without having to lean into that really. At least that's how I feel.
01:50:19
Speaker
Yeah. I, I, I feel like it all worked for me for sure. Like, that I did love that. I actually, I like that montage. I like the cake. I don't know why. The cake, like, I like the cake. It looks good. I like the way it looks. It has, like, a Wes Anderson kind of vibe to that cake. want to eat that. Yeah, like, know what I mean? Where it just feels like it can, like, go through anything, that cake.
Alternative Endings to Walter Mitty
01:50:48
Speaker
Like, you can just, like, throw it and catch it and it would be fine and taste as good and be as, like... together as it was when it was you know fresh um I don't know I liked that connection to every buddy and it was fast enough that it wasn't like like you said luxuriating it wasn't it was quick enough that it wasn't like this this white man being like oh yes the world's so different it wasn't like that it wasn't like that it seemed like it was respectful you know
01:51:23
Speaker
should have ended with him beheading Adam Scott and then you think it's a fantasy and it's like Nick cuts back everyone's like ah boy like oh my god no the end of this film is just Sean Penn looking into the camera and just talking about the Ukraine just like everything that he said about you know like AI and all of that you know all of his choice quotes What was his weird AI? I know he did say something about AI, but what did he say? it was He's always saying weird stuff. Sean Penn. What did
Sean Penn's Opinions on AI
01:51:53
Speaker
he say? Sean Penn. I don't even want to, like, summarize it because I don't want to get it wrong in the sense that what he said was pretty vile. essentially
01:52:01
Speaker
Essentially what he was doing was he was talking about, like, how AI was, i like, invasive in identity theft. And then he, would like, was comparing it to, like, people's daughters. Like he was trying to like go.
01:52:15
Speaker
exploitation. you know what I mean? I don't want to quote it immediately because I don't know offhand, you know, I don't want to misquote him in that sense. But like it was gross. That's what i remember it being. I don't understand like what he was trying to get at.
01:52:28
Speaker
he He is that type, though. Sean Penn is like a fucking like weirdly aggressive, you know, bad vibes, you know, not not a cool guy. Just based on vibes front, you know, like even if he's like kind of seemingly on the right side of an issue like that, like, yeah, you could use AI for identity theft. It's like, why did you go there to that example for that? Yeah.
01:52:53
Speaker
So i messed up. oh ah I'm just hating everybody's take. Some AI directors. and It's sad. I mean, it's so kind of not surprising for some of the direct like when Peter Jackson says that he's like into it I'm like, yeah, I guess. Forkfounding Kitchen. But still, it's it's still disappointing.
01:53:16
Speaker
That man is so he's tone deaf like ah Peter Jackson. It's just a new toy for him to play with. i mean, it's like, yeah, I fucking saw that new Beatles, of you know, music video you did. So that makes sense. The guy who did that would want to play around with AI, you know, it's like, yeah.
01:53:33
Speaker
When he came here and he took, like, before in land acknowledgement to play God Save the Queen because it's in your movie. Oh, my God. Like, at TIFF. Like, I don't i don't fucking and care that it's in your movie and it relates to your movie. you You're on indigenous land, you know.
01:53:51
Speaker
here and you know that's that's effed up and so wanting and then wanting everybody to stand and then people were standing i'm like fuck you i was there there's no way i would have stood are you kidding me you'd have to you'd have to like drag me and out of my seat to get me to stand in that that's crazy in when we do have land acknowledgments with then just fucking erase the land acknowledgement that night ah for real because you didn't like you allowed that to happen anyway What's crazy? He's not even British.
01:54:20
Speaker
He's Australian. Yeah. Is he in New Zealand? New Zealand. like New Zealand. Yeah, I mixed those up. But yeah he's a LARPer either way. yeah But, you know, he's also, this is what it's like.
01:54:32
Speaker
Yeah. He's also a white. Yeah. True. that's you True. saying um Well, can you say that?
01:54:47
Speaker
I'm saying. I don't know. Can I? ah No. um ah We were talking about Peter Jackson. who What was the other filmmaker we were talking about before that? Well, Refn said had an AI quote for just talking about directors who said a AI. We were talking about like, ah what's called?
01:55:06
Speaker
Yeah. No. What? There was another filmmaker. Aronofsky? Reese Witherspoon. Oh. I'm talking about Reese Witherspoon. yeah I love Reese Witherspoon's approach where she's like, us women, we have to like girl boss and like all use AI. oh Well, because isn't the excuse like it's going to replace us anyway, so we need to learn how to use it or something. these women that to me more like what's another like fucking talking head person i can't remember her name but that's the that's the that's the party line right of that's their that's they they're all towing the line they've all been passed they've passed around all the the the verbiage so that they can like get ah and it's like this is very familiar this kind of behavior is very familiar um you know
01:55:53
Speaker
the The foot soldiers, ah these women um being these foot soldiers for bullshit has been happening since forever, you know, yeah where the women where it's like men are there's a bunch of men doing this shitty thing. And then they basically get these women on board to get in there to do the serious damage. they're they're the ones walking into the living rooms. They're the ones that are getting like doing the close, the close hand to hand, like damage that's been happening forever. Right.
01:56:26
Speaker
and Well, and selling a softer image of it of like, no, this is something we need. Like it's, it's like to help us. Yeah. They can get closer to people. They can try and convince women, young women, they can do all that stuff.
01:56:39
Speaker
It's just, it's, it's sick. and It's sick. It's sick. I just need that bubble to happen because it's going to happen. But it's like it feel like all of everything's getting so much worse so too fast. Like like the whole is's fast. yeah But yeah, soon people are going to start. There's going to be.
01:56:59
Speaker
not going to say it. Oh, data centers being lit on fire. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's inevitable. It's going to be the big like fireworks, you know. Power to the people. It's going to be... They're very combustible. It's going to be some Terminator 2 at Linda Hamilton's front of me.
01:57:19
Speaker
But I was talking about this and I was just like, who's going to be like a guy? And he's going to be like like Joe Morton being like... in Terminator 2. But then my friend was like, no, they're not because they're they don't have morals. They're not like Miles in Terminator 2. They can't be... shame Shame isn't a thing anymore. realized that he did something wrong. He didn't know. You know what i mean?
01:57:40
Speaker
He didn't know that he had done something wrong and it got away from him. These people all know. And they're just doing it. Okay. Walter. um ah good I was going to say, I'm choosing to believe the future is going to be a Mad Max Thunderdome situation.
Fictionalizing Real-Life Scenarios
01:57:53
Speaker
I feel like that's more realistic.
01:57:55
Speaker
i mean, will Tina Turner be there? Yeah, no, but that happens after the destruction of it. that No, I think we're rushing right there. I feel like, you know, we're speed running, you know, like civilization happens. We're going right to Thunderdome. I mean, yeah, the president.
01:58:09
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but Who just like flip the switch to Thunderdome? I mean, my the president of my country wants to have MMA on the front lawn of the White House. So like that's how how far removed is that from Thunderdome?
01:58:22
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Yeah, because like how far is he going to be like guys fighting in a ring? How far removed is that from, okay, now put a smaller guy on another guy's back. yeah Now toss a chainsaw in there. Yeah, that's not too far off, you know? So like I don't think it's a a big leap, you know? Mel Gibson is already close to this administration, so so. Oh, I cannot wait for Passion of the Christ. Yeah, you're going to be there opening night? No. be their opening day I'm not going to pay for it. i' I'm going to buy another ticket, you know, but I'm going to be there.
01:58:56
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It's probably going to be boring because you think like, oh, what's this madman's conception of Jesus's three days in hell? What's that going to look like? It's probably going to be really pedestrian and like a shitty basic take of hell or something. I don't know.
01:59:12
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but But it costs $250
01:59:16
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Like, that's crazy, right? Like, that this case that accounting error. Who made that accounting error? It was like Mel Gibson. Here you go. Like, who did that? I want to, like, take them to court.
01:59:32
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Oh, I wanted to say one thing about this movie. Sorry, John Cusack? so Are you?
01:59:42
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like you can i
01:59:45
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um It's a good bit. there's Yeah, it is a good bit. He's got me. He's this got me. um that if If the resume thing is the the most unrealistic thing about this movie, the most realistic thing about this movie is when Adam Scott is distracted by Hall and Oates because that makes perfect sense. You know what I mean?
02:00:07
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Like when he's just like, he can't pay attention because Hall and Oates is playing. That's me. yeah That's the thing I have the most in common with that man, that character. Because like, I'm the kind of person that if am when I'm in bars or in a store, walking down the street, if I hear a song that I know, I'm like,
02:00:26
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I can't, I can barely, I can barely speak. Like I i have to like walk into that song for a moment. If I'm in a grocery store and like Barenaked Ladies comes on, I have to like so put my cart. yeah Yeah, I have to stop. I'd be like, okay, well, I can't even think about what aisle I need to be in right now because it's it's been one week.
02:00:47
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ah oh my favorite One of my favorite things from Family Guy is when they were doing like, it was like like a talk show, but it was like less than a minute or something like that. And they had, ah and they had Bair Naked Ladies on and it was like, it's been, and then like, curtains closed. It's been, and then just slam. It's been. Yeah.
02:01:13
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that's That's actually one thing I thought about when I was watching Walter Mitty again this time. Like all of the dreams have a cutaway feel to them. that I feel like they lasted a bit longer in my mind, but like there was something about how fast some of these dream sequences were, even though like they imply that he's lingering, you know? To the point where it felt like a cutaway gag. The longest one is when he has like the fight in the streets with Adam Scott over the stretch Armstrong. Cause that's like, that's like a set piece. Like it's like, if they go crash through the window and then they're like speeding through the streets. And like that, that's probably the longest one, but you're but you're right. The rest of them are like cutaway gags. Yeah.
02:01:54
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I could have used like five more fights, you know, just like, you just have them turn into WWE wrestlers. It was kind of like, you know, what it reminded me of um ah Scott Pilgrim a bit, especially when they're going to punch each other in the face. Like it kind of gave me that vibe. Right. and No, for sure no, definitely.
02:02:15
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Yeah, that sounds right. Around that time. it's also because Because we're talking also about like the midlife crisis thing, not to hammer that point home too much, but like the idea of like this Stretch Armstrong being introduced there. Like I'm thinking about like 80s cartoons from the period. I'm thinking about like, you know, like G.I. Joe, Transformers. Oh, sure.
02:02:34
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Ninja Turtles, right? The He-Man for sure, right? Like all those types, right? And I feel like that sequence you just described, Vanya, that's very similar to what you'd see from those kinds of car cartoons where it's yeah like we're...
02:02:47
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Yeah, a Mighty Mouse, yeah. Mighty Mouse, a classic. Yeah. Maybe like Dragon Ball Z is like a little bit later. Right, Astro Boy. The classic. Just that, like those images.
02:03:02
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ah yeah Yeah. Yeah. The fist out, yeah. Yeah. yeah I just really like Adam Scott in this movie. I got to say, I'm a big fan of Adam Scott. Oh, I'm i'm very pro Adam Scott. Yeah. Me too. Me too. But I, and he's incredible at playing a dick.
02:03:19
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He's so good at it. Yeah. He's almost too good at it. You know Right. You're like, oh, it's... It's so funny because he can play so sweet, you know, obviously. Yeah. He was so sweet. um But man, when he... I don't know if you've ever watched um that show of Veronica Mars. That's the first time I really remember him um in that. And he's very, like, I would say...
02:03:46
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complex um he's just a guest star he's just on the one episode um but he is like there's like a complexity there um there's like a there's like different switcheroos and that um but he's are you are you a big fan of comedy bang bang No, but I know he's he's like one of the most reoccurring like guests on it. Yeah, because he's yeah good friends with with Scott Aukerman. And then they've even done like a spinoff.
02:04:15
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ah Like it's not even a full podcast, tip of series but but they've done multiple episodes or series thing where they just talk about you, too. No. Oh, that's so funny. That's so very specific. the The podcast is called Are You Too Talking To Me? and they they They have like several other podcasts about other bands. Like REM, REM. Yeah. I want to listen to that. um They're very good.
02:04:44
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I was just talking about him on the weekend, too, because i was at a friend's place and we were just, like, hanging out. And then I sat then we were, like, watching a couple videos, like, couple trailers and things like that. um And then I was just like...
02:05:00
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can we watch theme song? and mean want stuff Can we watch some old theme song in like intros like to shows? And I was just like, I just really want to show you guys Streets of San Francisco. I don't know you guys know about this show. It's like Michael Douglas and Carl Malden detectives in the streets of San Francisco. So it's like very like 70s-ish kind of like and out and You know, like the the music is incredible. um And then I showed them um Adam Scott when he was doing those those theme song opening split screens.
02:05:35
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Have you guys ever seen this? I don't think I've seen this one. No. he was doing, it was his idea to do. for Adult Swim. Yes. Yeah. boy i He did simon Simon and Simon, which is a show I grew up watching. um Simon Simon and with him and Jon Hamm as right Simon Simon. Yeah, that's really good. Heart to Heart with him and Amy Poehler as Simon.
02:06:01
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Was Chrissy Wig in one of them too? I don't know. I don't know. But I i know that they... There was a third one too. There's another one. that Oh, they did Bosom Buddies. and it's Yeah. um I can't remember who is who's the other guy um that's in the Bosom Buddies one. And I think, I want to say they did one more. too close to comfort to Too Close for Comfort, I think. I think they did four. Okay, that sounds right. Yeah. Yeah.
02:06:26
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And, ah like, I grew up watching because I have older siblings, too. um I grew up watching a lot of these things. the so So I showed the Simon, Simon, and Hart one. They're incredible. Like, he's so good in it. Like, and the other cast members are great. But it's just, like, he's awesome. And it's such a great idea. He's so inventive. And I could see totally see him while he was in this movie, too.
02:06:51
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Mm-hmm. It brings that energy to this. So we're obviously all pro Adam Scott. Oh, yeah. No. For talking other. I'm coming out anti-Scott. You're anti-Scott?
02:07:03
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I'm coming out as anti-Scott. No, you can't. You won't. You can't do it. You're not going be able to do it. No, I like him. That's true. I like him. but Also really good in the two episodes he's in, Eastbound and Down plays, plays ah a dick in that, but like that show does such a good use of like when they do the title drop and it's like him admitting, like he's like leaving AA or something. And then he's admitting to a sponsor that he fucked his wife and his sister. And then it just starts as it says Eastbound and Down as he walks away.
02:07:37
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Yeah. He's just, he's good in this as he's just good at being bad. but also being good. Oh, and in between, because like Severance plays off of the like, well, he's like sympathetic because he's been through stuff, but he's also like a dick to people, you know, like he's a sad dick. and that i dont I haven't seen it. I haven't watched Severance.
02:07:57
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I think, you really especially as a Walter Mitty fan and a fan of like visually what this movie is doing, I think there's a through line between this and Severance. I mean, Ben Stiller didn't direct to every episode. Yeah.
02:08:12
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And, and yeah, to the show, I always, i'm I make this mistake because I always forget the name of the guy who actually created the show. Everyone talks about like it's Ben, Ben, Ben Stiller, you know, helped the show get to where it is. And he just directed a large, Dan Erickson. Okay. Yeah. So like, yeah, of course, like his influences there throughout like ah the tone of the show itself. But like visually, I think ah Ben's building off of like what he did here in Walter Mitty.
02:08:43
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You guys want something crazy? Like, this is just completely separate, and this is maybe, like, rant territory. You know, be advised. um Severance is kind of a ripoff of Backrooms.
02:08:54
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um which is getting a little bit soon. And like, you know, like Vanya, you're probably, you know, separate from severance because you haven't seen it. So like you may see backroom soon instead of seeing severance first, right? So it's like you might be in a unique position to just like completely not see what people saw in severance so that when you see severance, you're like, oh, that's kind of like backrooms. I just think that's interesting, you know, ah because ah like do you you respond to that so well and the fact that like the severance and backrooms are actually surprisingly similar.
02:09:24
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It's so funny that you say that because when I saw a clip back rooms, like I saw on is some of the images in back rooms, that's the first thing I thought was, wow, this looks like Severance. ah A lot of what Severance is about, like, metatextually, you know, like, what what they're working towards is kind of the text of Backrooms, which I was surprised revisiting Backrooms where it's, like, so much more about the social commentary and, like, the Verhoeven-y kind of aspect to it than you would have think.
02:09:50
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and And Severance is very funny you show. So it's, like, the fact that it didn't do all of it the same way as Backrooms and Backrooms kind did it better is surprising to me. all But Backrooms looks a little scary to me, to be honest.
02:10:01
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I mean, that's why I'm excited for it. Yeah. Because i'm i'm it it makes me feel claustrophobic. I'm claustrophobic. I'm not. read Yeah. Like, the idea of it makes me feel claustrophobic.
02:10:14
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It's ever since claustrophobic. the The web series, like for back rooms, does the claustrophobia crazy. Like there are certain sequences where it's like, you know, like you're going, like you can see a shoot, right? And a character to like go through a shoot. the First person, you're going through it. Yeah. oh Yeah. I hate that.
02:10:34
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Oh, I hate that so much. I hate that. The movie's going be great. it's gonna be i'm I'm really excited for it. i think I think it's going to be phenomenal. Yeah. I don't know if I'll watch it. scared. I mean, that' that's so that's what I want. So, you know, that's good for me. Yeah. ah The another Walter Biddy ah thought maybe we already commented on on this, but like the fact that, you know, once he gets on ah the helicopter and we have the Major Tom ah part, like the the fantasies are kind of over until he goes that one part when he goes to Kristen Wiig's house and you know, the husband's there or, you know, her ex is there.
02:11:22
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And then when he gets in the cab, it's like on, he's on Conan. Yeah. Yeah. Which is funny to watch, see Andy Richter in a movie so soon after I saw Obsession. i'm like, wow, Andy Richter's everywhere. right Have you seen Obsession yet, Vanya? No.
02:11:39
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it's It's good. You should check it again i Too scary. looked him up and i was like, claustrophobic? Is it going to claustrophobic? Not in a physical sense, like maybe emotionally claustrophobic. Okay. Vanya, you were joking about the male loneliest epidemic before. You know, that's what the movie's kind of about. Okay. I just don't know that I can see it by myself.
02:12:05
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Fair. I'll watch it again if you want to check it out. Okay. I was at the movies on Monday, and I saw four movies. Numbers on the board. I was like, obsession was going to be one of them, but then couldn't do it. I just couldn't do it.
02:12:25
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Was Sheep Detective take its spot or something? I heard it's good. I haven't seen it yet. I went to see Mother Mary. Okay. It's been out longer um and it's still there. um But.
02:12:38
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Yeah, it's already gone from theaters here. i saw too many movies that day. Too many. You saw four too many movies. and i yeah And I ended on that Mother Mary, which I was like, I'm so depressed now. so sad. i could have, like, why didn't I see one of the other ones, which just made me feel much better.
02:13:00
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Yeah. I walked out of my day being like, like, just ruined, just ruined, just sad. And there's a like a level of setlist thing you have to do with movies, right? Like sometimes you have to like strategically plan, you know, like where you end off on the marathon because you can do the four movie marathon, right? But it's like you end off on the wrong foot. Sometimes it's a night ruiner. It's because yeah it was because of the timing and I got great.
02:13:26
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You know, I should have asked cut it off. It's because I got greedy because I was still there and I should have just been left after the third one. I would have been riding high. You know, the person at the box office was like, are you sure? And you're like, no, we're doing it. yeah You should have should have listened. Yeah, exactly.
02:13:43
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Just there all day. And I was just like, I made a mistake. isn't that the worst when you go to see a movie like you you go to do like a movie marathon in a theater and like it's the same staff that's there yeah and then they keep seeing you yeah and you just gotta be like you gotta be like and they keep yeah they keep behaving like it's the first time like yeah that they saw you and you're like act like you know me like yeah Yeah, exactly. I'm like, we don't have to play these games. We don't have to play these Rangers games. Acknowledge it.
02:14:13
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You can acknowledge my favorite are the people who like, they believe that it's more like weird to be seeing movies alone. So they try to overcompensate for it. Yes. You being like comfortable with it. Right. They think that they think it's like embarrassing for me that I'm still there.
02:14:28
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I'm like, no, this is like the best case scenario. for And that's how that's why I was so greedy, because I'm so I'm like that. Like, I will stay there all day. Like, right listen, I went to see Top Gun.
02:14:39
Speaker
Hell yeah. 40th anniversary. I went to see Top Gun. Right. Because it's the 40th anniversary. So I went with a friend and then we went out to have like a coffee or whatever and then, and talk. And then I was just like, listen, I don't think I'm going to go. I'm going to see what's up next. I'm going to see what's, you know, convenient that's coming up. right And then she was, and she had bought my ticket for Top Gun. So i was like, i'll buy your ticket for, and we went see. as god is Oh, is that good? i want I want to see that.
02:15:11
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It's great. um Yeah, it's great. It looks it looks good. She'll see it soon. So yeah keep it in there. um And ah so i she was like, great. So I bought her ticket and we go to see it and we're like, great. And I said, I mean, during the movie right before the movie started, I said, listen, if things work out, timing wise, I'd see another.
02:15:36
Speaker
Hell yeah. Because that's how I am. Like, I remember somebody saying to me, A partner of mine, i was like, we were going on a trip and I was reorganizing my stuff and i went he saw me like reorganizing my wallet and i put my scene card back in my wallet and he said, whoa wait, why are you making sure you have that? And I was like, you know, be say like we're on the way back.
02:16:00
Speaker
Something that happens and something stalls and we can just like, we need to kill some time. Let's go into movie. And he's like, oh my God, you have a sickness. You have a sickness. And I was like, I do. I admit it. So I said to him. not a sickness. It's secure.
02:16:14
Speaker
I was like, listen, I might go see another, you know. works out. And then she was like, I'll see how I feel. And when she said that, I knew, i knew i was going to lose her. You know what mean? Like, cause I just, people aren't like, they're not built like me. It's just, they're not. And so, and so, tough so I was just like, we went to have, uh, no, she's tough. It's just that,
02:16:36
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People have lives and they want to talk little I think normies cap out at one or two movies, you know. But she's not a normie, but I feel like people just have to – they set their boundaries, you know. That's fair. And so I was like – so I was just like – I guess I should eat something after. And she's like, I'm going to go home. So I had, ah I ate something and then I like killed time.
02:17:02
Speaker
So then I went to see Top Gun Maverick because it's in, it's in, I was on IMAX right there, right there. I gave that a whirl. Then went back in one more time because I was there and the timing wasn't that bad. So I stuck in it. And then ended it on a down note with Mother Mary. And then I was, and then I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I want to die. Like, you know what I mean? Like, this is a terrible idea.
02:17:29
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But well do I still think it was worth it? Yes. Of course. Yes. And I was there. It's not like I now i have to make a trip to go and see that or watch it. You know, I still haven't seen Mother Mary and I wanted to. Like, I would say I'm ah a Lowry boy. i like his stuff. Yeah, I'm i'm a Lowry boy.
02:17:48
Speaker
I wonder what you'll think of this one. I don't know. Yeah. Like, I i don't think it's going to be like a shoe or anything, but i like, ah you know, i like I'm always interested to see what he's what he's doing. What's he putting out there? Sure. Sure.
02:18:00
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sure Sorry. I like this little Tamiyo in Queer. Oh, that he is Queer. Oh, yeah. i really liked Queer. Yeah, it's a great movie. But I like Luca. good I mean, this is a pro-Luca yeah podcast. Yeah.
02:18:19
Speaker
This is a pro ah Luca podcast for sure. I saw that movie at TIFF at 9 a.m. m That was a crazy screening. I was watching that with a monster energy drink in my hand. just glu Like as Nirvana. That sounds about right for you. Yeah. Sounds about right for you. Yeah. For me specifically. Yeah.
02:18:41
Speaker
yeah is he is he Is he still going to do an American Psycho remake? Or is that like i hope they like... I actually hope he drops it. He's just gone the same direction as his Scarface remake, right? Because he was supposed to do a Scarface remake with like the Coen brothers, right? yeah And then there was also like a a not DC, DC thing, like Sergeant Rock, which is basically nothing to do with superheroes, but it's like, it's just like World War II pulp that he was going to do a version of that that got dropped. And yeah. ah ah Doug, you want to secretly record her now before she says the really incendiary stuff. So we have her, you know, and then there'll be like blackmail.
02:19:24
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Yeah. In case you run for political office or something. No, that's how we get her to get the good mic for next time. Oh my God. Use the good mic or we'll release the audio. Incriminating audio.
02:19:43
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Or else we'll reveal your true thoughts. I don't know. Vanilla Sky. The incriminating audio is this, as it's not as good as yeah could have been without the... With all some the context. um I... Yeah. I do can have concern about certain things in my life that if I were to ever, just for even if a flash of time, become famous... Right. um There are some things I'm concerned about. It would be like, you just don't want that level of scrutiny under yourself. No, I always say I wanted to say, always say I want to be tripping famous. Tripping famous is when I saw, was at TIFF. Well, TIFF was happening and I was walking down the street and I saw Calum Keith Rennie.
02:20:31
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um Do you know Callum Kithreni? Not really. No. he's a He's a Canadian actor. You definitely have seen him. um Have you ever seen the movie Last Night? Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. Hard Candy.
02:20:44
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. um Battlestar Galactica. um Anyway. Oh, yeah, absolutely. so ah he was he's canadian um So he's So he's walking down the street and he was walking out of a restaurant and he kind of tripped. But at the exact same time,
02:21:00
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if Pierce Brosnan was just getting out of her car. and no Calgary's running, like, recovered. Like, he didn't fall, but he kind of tripped and he recovered and he just walked on. like And I was like, oh, shit.
02:21:12
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Calgary's running, because I'm a huge, like, I'm a big fan of his, right? Like, from all the things that I listed. And I was just like, oh, look at he look what he can do. He can just, he's a working actor, regular working actor. He does, I don't think he does anything else, you know, um
Tripping Famous vs. Celebrity Status
02:21:29
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successful. People like me would know him, but he can trip, but Like, Curtis Brossom can't get out of a car without being swarmed. You know what mean? Right. And I'm like, that's the, I want to be tripping famous. that's the That's when I decided, that's when I came up with that term. Because i when I saw that, I was like, wow.
02:21:48
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Like, you know, he's, nobody's paying attention to that. Mm-hmm. and But i I did this thing when I was younger. I'll tell you guys. This is one of the things I'm concerned about because there's an archive, I'm sure, somewhere.
Embarrassing Canadian Pop Star Audition
02:22:01
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Sure. ah I auditioned for Canadian Pop Star.
02:22:05
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The show Pop Stars. Canadian Idol? is No, no. It was like, there's a show, it was more international called Pop Star. Oh, right. think know what you're talking about. Yeah. And I auditioned for...
02:22:18
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I auditioned for it. And i I just couldn't sing. Like, I i choked. I choked. i choked that day. And I've sang since. Like, i'm I'm fine. Like, I can carry a tune. but That day, it just was like I couldn't carry a tune. It was crazy. Like, my all my mouth drew right up. Like, I was weird. I acted weird. I remember I got up there and you had to sing. It wasn't like American Idol where you can sing, like, whatever song you Right. You had to, you there were like three songs you had to choose from. And I made a joke and I was like, oh, I flipped a coin. The judges fucking hated that. They were like, what the fuck? Right? Like you didn't prepare something. Like you just started. No, the thing is I tried to prepare all three things. It was, and still to this day when I hear the song that I sing,
02:23:02
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I just, i i'm I'm ill. Like, I'm ill. Like, I just like, i I can't believe it. And so I am always like nervous about that. I'm also nervous about, it also has to do with singing.
02:23:15
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um I was in a choir in elementary school. And we became like, an um there was a guy that are our teacher, our vice principal, he was like the our singing coach. He was like our um, um, choir leader. He had a friend who was a musician who was like a big environmentalist.
02:23:35
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They were both a big, and they, he wrote a bunch of environmental, environmentally friendly focused songs. Classic. And he wanted to record with children, um And so our teacher, who's very good friends with him, got us to record with this man, like go to his house. And we went to the studio and we recorded a record with this man. But also, not only that, is we had the T-shirts that said like, save the Rouge River and stuff like that. And had like, witches of deer and stuff. And we had these T-shirts and we toured around
02:24:07
Speaker
Oh, no. Like, malls. We went to malls and we sang indifferent at different malls. This this is, like, very Canadian. and it it gets And there's more. There's more.
02:24:19
Speaker
gets worse. Also, on Rogers Channel 10, you know how they would do, like, things. Yeah, the public access. And they would show the same thing every night and they would just, like, yeah For the longest time, we were just on there, just a recording of us. We went to record like a video of us like sitting there singing and they would just play it all the time, like on a loop. And um and there was a point in the choir, there were three rows in our choir, but then they would like, there at one point they would do like,
02:24:49
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The best of the the best singers would like we're in the center row and they would send the other two rows off and the best thing, the center row would sing. So like there was hardly any of us. And so I'm like right there in that row. Like so it's like you can't I can't hide like I can't hide in the choir. Like I and so that was playing while I was in entrepreneur elementary school. And I thought like I was like that was cool or whatever. Right. Yeah.
02:25:16
Speaker
It went away. It went away. Like, it, like, was pulled off. it wasn't playing anymore. Then one day, I'm in high school. I'm now in high school. I'm walking down the hall, and somebody was like, I saw you last night on Rogers. And was like, what the fuck?
02:25:32
Speaker
like My life is over and every... Somebody said it and it spread like fucking wildfire. I wasn't even popular. it wasn't a popular person. I wasn't like not popular. I was just kind of like posting. I was tripping famous in high school. I was tripping famous in high school. Like that was like the level... of yeah popularity it had. It was perfect perfect level of popularity in high school. Well, everybody, every fucking person, teachers were watching it.
02:25:57
Speaker
Like, it was crazy. And I was like, this is my nightmare. It went away. And this is my nightmare. Like, brutal. Yeah. You thought it was in the past. and I thought it was in the past. And it's those things that I'm worried. Those aren't even the worst things. But those. But stuff like that. Yeah. and Like that. Those aren't the worst things. I feel like there's a recording of me yelling at a Spider-Man.
02:26:18
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ah town What did he do? Spider-Man cosplayer. No, it's just. Just don't like the
Busker Fest Spider-Man Incident
02:26:26
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character. So I used to be on the talent team. I used to be on the talent team for ah Busker Fest. Like I was basically, we're basically stage managers and there was only like a handful of us, but we ran Busker Fest. And so when it went to Yonge Street, it was massive, right? So, and we basically i have to go to, i have a group of stages that are my stages and i have to go to every stage and connect with each performer and run the show, like get the show up and running and sort of go to the next stage and just do that all fucking day, right?
02:26:52
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So, There was like all these people that would just, because it was on Yonge Street. it used to be in st Lawrence Market. it was a little more contained or whatever. But on Yonge Street, it was crazy. So people's shows would get interrupted all the time by other buskers, cosplayers, crazy shit.
02:27:06
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So there's a point where I'm kind of trying to clear this area. And I think I'm recorded yelling at a cosplaying Spider-Man. And so there's also that. Yeah.
02:27:19
Speaker
That's probably the same. there any colorful language to them? I don't know. I was very tired because, like, basically, i remember one of us took a pedometer um on, put it on us, and you would be like, we would do, like, a marathon in, like, like multiple days, over more than one marathon. Right. Over four days, we would do the the length of a marathon, how much walking we did.
02:27:44
Speaker
Like it was crazy. And we were we would get like three hours sleep and then start again. You know, like I wasn't sleeping. I don't remember anything because it was like I was drunk, like for four days straight. You know, like we were working like crazy, crazy hours.
02:27:58
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um So, of course, I yelled at somebody like lost my shit. But you can't explain that to the Internet, you know. Yeah, but you're not going to get canceled for yelling at Spire. That's more like it would just become a meme or something, you know.
02:28:13
Speaker
Yeah, that's brutal. Sure, yeah, there's degrees to that, right? Yeah, but then that's when you just need that fame to die. Right. you know but It's also like you weren't like freaking out at the Spider-Man like you were like that guy yelling at the guy playing the trumpet in New York. You know that small guy, the clip that I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah. I went to NYU, sucker. It's not a situation like that, right? Why couldn't i be like why couldn't it be like...
02:28:40
Speaker
a succulent Chinese meal. Why can't I have that? Why can't I do that? Why can't I do that? that That guy was like the inverse of who I was just talking about, right? Yeah, that's what I mean. The other thought he was making a big stand and he wasn't. Yeah. Succulent Chinese meal guy. He had a point.
02:28:57
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. I'm on his team. He has done a recording where he talks about that and basically is just like, ah, whatever. I was just doing stuff. You know what i mean? Like, but I just wanted a succulent Chinese meal. It's not.
02:29:11
Speaker
It's not even that deep, you know? That's the thing about his situation. I don't know. So those are the things I fear. Get your hand off my penis. yeah yeah And I think he said, they I think somebody asked him, did they have your aunt their hand on their penis? And he was like, no. He's just fucking around. Yeah. You can tell that. When you hear him saying that, you can tell he's just a power trip. He's just like, oh, yes. Oh, yes. the you Whatever he's saying in it. Yeah. He's...
02:29:40
Speaker
He is like the prototypical sovereign citizen. If you guys are familiar with them. like Oh, sure. guys know what sovereign citizen? Yeah. Yeah. like I just, yeah. I love it when they're like, oh yeah, like like I'm not being trespassed upon, you know, like I will watch like sovereign citizen YouTube compliments. Just people like getting into those semantic arguments. i love that shit. Yeah.
02:30:05
Speaker
So good. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, they're fun. yeah okay Anyways. Do we have any final final thoughts on the Walter Mitty?
02:30:17
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and he's He's a sovereign citizen in some ways. We are recording. Yeah, we are. Have we been recording all this time? when Yeah. well Walter Mitty being like, ah what are my rights? You know, that was not yeah at the end of the film, this like gets into a shootout with him. um Well, they do detain him at the airport. That's true. He does have that. That is a very sovereign citizen move of him at the airport sequence. If I were to say anything about this film, we didn't touch on this at all during the
Walter Mitty: Quintessential Obama Era
02:30:47
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conversation. This is like one of the most quintessential Obama films. Like this is like movies that encapsulate That.
02:30:53
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like movies that encapsulate living That era. like but yeah Exactly. I'd say like Walter Mitty is like the perfect encapsulation of it. and And I wouldn't even say that as a bad thing. it's It's just more so just like that's what the vibe was. That's what we were doing back then.
02:31:10
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yeah Like we we we're we're not making stuff like this now or or even under Biden.
Walter Mitty vs. Adjustment Bureau
02:31:16
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No. And i would very much so compare it to Adjustment Bureau in that sense. Like this movie gives me the same kind influence as that film, but this one is far more competent. This one I care about what's going on. I like the message in this better than Adjustment Bureau.
02:31:33
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Yeah, hot take, hot take. we We got to do an episode on Adjustment Bureau one day, by the way. I love that film in a corny sense. Yeah, I do appreciate Walter Mitty. I said I was the most negative on it just from like, just by rule, I would say. I wouldn't say that like, you know, I don't like this movie. I do like it. I just think that it's a little corny. It's a little cheesy. And like, Oh, I wouldn't even disagree with that, but that's like a charm, like a feature for me in terms of like, yeah, I mean, a little bit of corny, especially like when it's or in earnest corniness, like I'm fine with that.
02:32:10
Speaker
One could make the argument that this film is dishonest or disingenuous or trying to reach for something that it doesn't earn. I'm not in that camp. I i think that Ben Stiller like genuinely feels the way that he does making this. Yeah, I believe that.
02:32:24
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Yeah, and and you could like comment on like maybe how vapid or like how first world problems some of this stuff is.
Charm of Walter Mitty Despite Cheesiness
02:32:30
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But again, this is my new show. This is like, you know, yeah i don't think that that really matters at the end of the day. And I think that most people would relate to this. Most people would see this as like kind of like not odd inspiring in a grand sense, but like they would be like, oh, you know what? That was kind of sweet. Felt nice. And I think that this, yeah, like this is the like, this is like less problematic Forrest Gump, you know, like something that's like, you know,
02:32:53
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broad class that's a good way because it is touching at a similar thing but i don't get angry watching it's like when i watch forrest gump forrest gump
02:33:06
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there's that's see that's how i feel when i watch forrest gump
02:33:12
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yeah Oh, no. du Doug's mic muted after he said that. like i was Because I was taking a drink of water and I didn't want to get that on mic. Forrest Gump is... just Yeah, anyway. um Yeah, we don't have time for the two-hour Forrest Gump rant. I can't talk about Forrest Gump. Let's not talk about Forrest Gump. Can we talk about Forrest Gump, the restaurant, Bubba Gump? Oh, I've been there, yeah. I've never been to Bubba Gump shrimp. Is it any good?
02:33:42
Speaker
it's yeah it's even go It's fine. It's just ah they're playing Forrest Gump there. So, you know, you take, you know, you get some good seafood, but you just kind of have to mentally tune out or just focus on the people you're with because you're like, i I've seen that movie too many times. don't want to fucking turn. I haven't seen that movie too many times. Maybe I should rewatch it. I dont i mean, i don't know. i love you Maybe you like, i don't know. i i I've seen it too many times where it's like almost impossible for me to like it now.
02:34:13
Speaker
Do we have a Bubba Gumps in Toronto? I can't remember. Or did we? Maybe. I feel like we might have, right? Like, trying to remember because, like, they were, like, a larger chain like that where they would be around. Did like, go the way of Rainforest Cafe? They're kind of in that. like, Planet Hollywood?
02:34:30
Speaker
Or, like, Margaritaville, right? like Yeah, yeah. Remember Rainforest Cafe? That's crazy that that happened. And the food was terrible. Terrible. Awful. Who wants to go to a ah restaurant where every 30 minutes they're like, oh, the lights are gone now. And now there's going to be like, you know, flashing. And then you hear how like with and like, all your kids are crying now, you know, they're scared. They just wanted to time out. they They thought that the wishing well at the front was fun. But, you know, this is too much. So expensive with so shitty food.
02:35:06
Speaker
Right. The the the feet the return on investment is not there. I was young when I worked at the cinema at a mall that had Rainforest Cafe. And i remember all the people that I worked with that were like, you got to go to Rainforest Cafe. And I still remember just being so disappointed. Yeah.
02:35:25
Speaker
I remember, like, when Cheesecake Factory came to Yorkdale, right? And, like, people were making a huge deal about it. And I was like, fuck Cheesecake Factory. Cheesecake Factory is such an overhyped piece of shit. I sleep i've still never got... what I've, like, I've been there a couple of times and it's fine. But, like, I don't understand, like, why is it... People talk about like it's, like, Mecca Valhalla or something. I need to send you guys this clip of... this is like a very funny, like, it's like very ah black internet, uh, coded. Like, it's like Don, la at Don Lemon, when he was on CNN, um, he has like a panelist, a black panel talking in politics. And one this one guy who's like more like, um,
02:36:13
Speaker
like a bit of an apologist for the right wing a bit. A little bit. Van Jones. these No, not Van Jones. But he says, he's like, you know, we're getting away from letting people just like live their lives. If somebody is wearing like, they're talking about somebody wearing a MAGA hat, like if there's like ah a man wearing MAGA hat and you see him and you're going to get go up to him and like harass him or whatever in a restaurant. He's like... you know, this man, he should be able to sit at, um you know, Cheesecake Factory and just enjoy his meal without... the And we we're getting away from that as matt as as ah as human beings or whatever. And one of the panelists, you just see, as he says she as he's sitting there, you just see him, like, smirk. Like, he just does a side smirk. And then Don Lemon's like, oh, you seem like you will have something you want to say. And he says...
02:37:02
Speaker
first off, I'm just wondering why he's at a cheesecake factory. And then they, like, die. And, like, John Lemon and the other woman panelist, they, like, die of laughter. And the guy, like, gave him with his, like, bow tie is, like,
02:37:14
Speaker
like all serious when they're they're all like like killing themselves laughing because he's just like nailed it you know it's just like he's just like first off i want to know he's at shoescape factory and yeah i take issue with your your framing here yeah exactly i'm like i've already forgotten about the mega hat that's hilarious ill i'll try and find it and send it to you guys um oh i think i i think i found it oh you did It's so funny.
02:37:42
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um You mean American trader Don Lemon, right? Isn't like Donald Trump going after Don Lemon right now? Well, probably. He's always going after Don Lemon.
02:37:54
Speaker
That's true. Because he's speaking the truth too hard. yeah so you He's not even speaking truth that hard, you know? No, he's not. That's the thing. It's like like fear. My fear is that once Donald Trump is out of office, he's That it would it's just going to still go back to being quite moderate, you know? Yeah. As we know, that's so dangerous.
02:38:16
Speaker
Like, it's so dangerous. Everybody's just going to get comfy again because they're going to be like... look They'll be like, the evil's gone. was so evil. Yeah, he's so evil. But the rest of the people are are not that bad people. They just have different beliefs. You know, no, no, no, no.
02:38:33
Speaker
Those are big ass beliefs. That kind of revisionism or softer brush with other Republicans even has been pretty insidious. Like, because it's like, yeah, Trump is so, so bad that some people have even like Bush by comparison. Like, well, at least Bush, Bob. I'm like, no, no, no, no. no no We're not giving a path. So I'm not. We're not giving a pass that fucking war criminal. Or like even when cheney when Cheney died, you know, people were like, yeah, yeah but at least at the end he yeah you know he denounced Trump. like he Oh, stop. He believes the same shit. He just denounced him because he doesn't think you should say that shit out loud.
02:39:09
Speaker
like yeah does some business me They're not different. any time we've talked about Israel. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, like, because they'll talk about like, oh, Benjamin Netanyahu, he's the guy, you know, like once they get rid of Benjamin Netanyahu, it's all, you know, everything will be hunky-dory. I mean, it's like, no, but all the people voted for him.
02:39:28
Speaker
Yeah. Well, that as well. Right. But it's also but it's it's actually the system. Right. And it's it's the things that like permit these things to exist the way they are. And then also to talk that point of Trump and and like what will happen like in quotations when he's gone. When he's gone, the people who were working for him will pretend like they didn't work for him. They'll pretend like, you know, oh, that was just like, you know, something that happened and I was there. You know, that was the gas leak season. So being that. Yeah.
02:39:54
Speaker
Exactly. Right. And then there will be the added element of like where it's like, we're just trying to move forward. Why are you looking at the past? Like you you're, you know, like you're looking too fast, like too much and you're getting in the way of progress. And it's the same thing that happened like at the end of like World War II when they had a bunch of like German soldiers come over, you know? the war honestly, end of Civil War. we were way too easy on the Confederates.
02:40:20
Speaker
Oh, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, like the Confederacy stuff is always so funny to me because I always love the arguments where it's like, how long do they exist in comparison to like how long people have talked about them?
02:40:33
Speaker
You know? Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're a blip. Less than a blip. Ridiculous. But that's why. en ranged Like, I'm shocked at the stance that Walter Mitty took with the Civil War.
02:40:50
Speaker
Wait, what was was that stance again? I don't know. I didn't remember. I was shocked. Love this transition. No, it was good. and But for a second, I took it literally like, you know, you see like an ironic post on Twitter for in for a second, your brain takes it. It's like, well, this can't be, this is real. So like, I need, it's like an article. Yeah. Yeah. yeah You, you won't believe what like Walter Mitty is like number 26 image was, you know, like what he was doing there.
02:41:23
Speaker
too good. love it It's just a nice movie, you know? Just feel good. It is a nice movie. What else was I going to say about it? Sorry, go on. It's a nice movie, but it's also, like, greatly representative of actor-turned-director brain, right? Where it's like... oh, you know, movies like this don't exist anymore. And I'm going to make a movie the way I am want it to be made. God damn it. And I'm not saying that is a bad thing or a good thing either. Right. Like like it it very much so feels like a a filmmaker who feels like there's a space missing and they're filling in for it. And and I feel like Albert Brooks, again, is like the key to this. Right. Where it's like they're trying to bring back the adult comedy with a high concept. Right.
02:42:09
Speaker
And for that alone, I have to like recommend Walter Mitty as like a good movie. Is it the best version of that I've seen? Probably not. But I feel like that's more so speaking to Ben Stiller's own drawbacks.
02:42:21
Speaker
And I don't even hate Ben Stiller. It's just that he's not as great as Albert Brooks or people like that, you know? Oh, yeah, I wouldn't say he is, but he also just like in terms of output has like ah has he done he's mostly been doing TV since Walter Mitty. Oh, Zoolander 2. I forgot that exists. ah He also did that like escape from like the prison show for first show for showtime. yeah. yeah I still haven't seen that. It was great.
02:42:50
Speaker
It was very good. it Like I would highly, highly recommend that show. You guys haven't seen that. I mean, I've seen the clip of Benicio going, don't tell anybody. And I was like, that makes me want to see it.
02:43:03
Speaker
Well, what they don't tell you is that like the first like three episodes is about like how much Paul Dana was fucking Patricia Arquette. Like it's like, and and there's a whole moment where like she has like a romantic montage set to a Nick Jonas song. Like that, that, that show is operating on a galaxy brain level. yeah Okay. let's I'll check it out.
02:43:23
Speaker
I think like the only reason I had watched it sooner is just because it was Showtime. And that like, does like if it was HBO, it was like, yeah, okay. I'll just load up the HBO app. was like Showtime. That's it. What even is that?
02:43:38
Speaker
ah Well, like, A, it's also a miniseries, which is great in terms of, like, you know, there's an in and out. Like, they're not trying to, like, you know, extend it for longer than it needs to be. And then another thing, too, is that a lot of what he does in Severance in terms of filmmaking, he tries out in that show first. Interesting. Like, interest there's one sequence that happens where there's, like, an eight-minute long unbroken take of Paul Dano, like, sneaking through a place. It's amazing. Like, it's, like, shocking how cool it is. Yeah, I don't know.
02:44:07
Speaker
ah Really good series. And also, wasn't... Like, I want to... Who was the guy who wrote it? Was it was it fucking... What's his face?
02:44:16
Speaker
Michael Tolkien is one of the... Exactly, I going to Michael Tolkien. That's what I was going say. Because we talked about having Emma on. We got to... Yeah, we got to get Emma on. Yeah. Exactly.
02:44:29
Speaker
yeah I mean, not not just because of her dad, but, like... and yeah um Emma Tolkien, ah the ah daughter of, what's his name again? sorry Michael Tolkien. He wrote The Player. Michael Tolkien.
02:44:42
Speaker
He wrote The Player. he he like he he directed a few films in the 90s. He's a known quantity in the night like screenwriting world. He wrote the ah ah the miniseries from Paramount that was about the Godfather, like the making of The Godfather.
02:44:57
Speaker
a Very funny career. Interesting career. Oh, the offer. I forgot that was him. Interesting. Miles Teller. Sounds like fake. We're going late. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah no, no. we we This is supposed to be the final thoughts. I was about to go on a Miles too Teller tangent.
02:45:16
Speaker
No, I like Miles Teller because I remember I just saw Top Gun Maverick. Yeah. ah For a moment there, i thought you were just pull out that you saw Michael. but No. i he's like He's his agent in that, right?
02:45:33
Speaker
Yeah, he he plays the lawyer. Miles Teller is in Michael? He plays Michael Jackson's lawyer. yeah Yeah. And by the way, it's important. It's important to note that he plays the lawyer who's in control of his estate right now. So the only reason he's played by Miles Teller is because the guy who owns the estate had a say and who plays him in the film.
02:45:52
Speaker
And that that's why he's so important. Prominent in the movie is because that lawyer helped the movie get made. And also the version of Michael that exists right now is considered like cut down. Cause I don't, do you guys know what happened with the production of that film?
02:46:09
Speaker
Well, that they were, they were going to explain, cover a larger expanse of time originally. And, uh, legally they can't touch. It's like one of the families, or they're not allowed to like mention them. So that that like changed their whole approach of like, they just kicked the can down the road of like, they just cut it off at 88 or 87. And they're like, yeah, I don't know, maybe it'll be a sequel.
02:46:41
Speaker
You're being a little vague with it because the film was originally going to be about here's why Michael Jackson is innocent. Right. And that was going to be the third act of the film was the court case and stuff. And they shot it. And the pair they actually shot it. with I didn't even realize that. They shot all of this, Doug. Like that was the shocking thing. And the opening of the film was his was Neverland Ranch getting raided.
02:47:03
Speaker
And the whole film was based around how he was innocent. Like, that was what Michael was supposed to be. The version that was in theaters was because they didn't have the rights to tell their story. wow And they were like, oh, we have to scale it back. We fucked up. So, like, i just think that's shocking. The fact that we were, like, this close to, like, here's the pro, like...
02:47:21
Speaker
Here's the defense against, like, for the pedophile. You know, like, that was what the movie was going to Are still allowed to do that? Like, if in part two, if they just don't bring up that fam? I'm not saying they should, that'd be awful, obviously, but, like, the only thing, like, legally.
Legal Challenges in Michael Jackson Film
02:47:35
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They're trying to do it.
02:47:36
Speaker
Right, because I'm like, because the only thing stopp do it the only thing stopping them is shame, and that doesn't exist. So, like, they could yeah they could just do that. I think the only thing that's stopping them right now is literally like the names of the families. So just nuts. We've got off on a complete tangent. I'm sorry. I just like we we we we were talking about Miles Teller and it led us to fucking Michael Jackson. we got I didn't know he was in that movie. And um yeah, I like him. I think he's a really good actor.
02:48:05
Speaker
We've talked about his like Finnish long drink. Did you know about that, Vanya? Yeah. He endorsed a and ah finished beverage, like an alcoholic beverage. It's called finished long drink. he He just sold the steak in it like really recently. But he did that whole like celebrity, you know, alcohol beverage tie in thing. But it was like with a culturally specific beverage, which and and I don't believe he's finished. Like, I feel like he just tried it and he was like, oh, I want to be on on the finished long drink.
02:48:32
Speaker
Sure. That's so weird. Yeah, right? Apparently it's good. it Apparently it tastes like like grape soda. Like it's like kind of like soda-y instead of like alcohol-y.
02:48:43
Speaker
I don't know. Ramble, yeah. I'll take your word for it. I don't know. I'm not huge drinker these days, so I don't know I'll get around to it. But Vanya, do you have any plugs? Oh, I certainly do. Yeah.
02:48:56
Speaker
I am a curator, a review cinema. I run a series, monthly series called Paid and Sweat. um It's some sports, effort, athletics, and, you know, showing up. It's like,
02:49:10
Speaker
You know, it it has adjacent films. It has traditional sports, it also has film films that are adjacent. um What I have coming up this summer is, ah well, what tickets are available right now are Bend at Lake Beckham.
02:49:24
Speaker
Oh, cool. On 35mm on June 25th. And um also I have Whip It on 35mm. Drew Barrymore's directorial debut. view But roller derby. um Yeah, on July 23rd. So it's going to be a Bend It, Whip It summer, both on 35mm. They're not great companions for each other. Try and see both of them together. They're both directed by women. They're both the highest grossing movies of those sports films in um cinema. um And um they are, yeah, they both are about young women who are...
02:50:07
Speaker
you know, trying to break the mold of their traditions, of their families. And um so they have great companion pieces. Buy buy both ti tickets and see both. Yeah. Check it out. This is a separate question, Vanya. Sorry, this is separate from your plugs thing. ah Like, have you seen ah the film ah directed by Bennett, like Beckham's filmmaker, called Blinded by the Light?
02:50:30
Speaker
you know what this film No, I haven't seen it. I really want to see that because I'm a big Bruce Springsteen fan. I just haven't gone around to seeing it for some reason. I missed boat. Yeah. That was a film where I went with my sister and ah it was just her and I. And then there was a 50 year old woman there and she brought in her own beers and she treated it like a Bruce Springsteen concert. She was like, you know, every time a song came out, she was s singing along, you know, like and it got to the point where like my sister and I, you know, like we're're we're just hanging out, you know, we're like, you know what? We're joining in. You know, we we know sang along with her, you know. and i love that.
02:51:10
Speaker
Like, i say Bennett, like Beckham specifically has that kind of like route rowdy energy, you know? Like, it's it's a film that really wins you over as you're watching it too, you know?
02:51:20
Speaker
it does. And it has like that it like, you're so right about the energy. And the montages are incredible in that film. Like, and the and the and I'm talking like a combination of sports montage with like,
02:51:35
Speaker
Other things happening, traditional, like Indian wedding, all these things that are mixed together. And it's seamless, like from between a game of ah football or soccer and um and, you know, watching women ah like a fashion montage, basically. So ah it's it's awesome.
02:51:55
Speaker
Like, she's a good filmmaker. Everybody should see Ben it like Beckham. It's very cool. um You can go in, like, so probably tomorrow or the next day, I'll have the trailer up for and I like Beckham on um Instagram, Peyton Sweat. So you see that? um I know what I'm showing in July. i mean, in August. I know what I'm showing in August, but there's no ticket page yet.
02:52:19
Speaker
We can cut that out if you don't want to, um you know. Yeah, it's going be. I wonder if I should wait. Oh, wait. I'll just put a long bleep. Well, I mean, I just like it. The only thing that's missing is the ticket page is booked. um I'm showing Hunger Games.
02:52:35
Speaker
Oh, okay he yeah. Hell yeah. yeah um And i I feel like that's going to be kind of cool. And coming soon if in real life to America. We're doing that soon. I don't know if you heard, but we will. we' We're going to do that.
02:52:51
Speaker
Just for fun. We're trying it out. you know I think he did have an offhand comment, though, about something. He didn't call it Hunger Games, but like where he was talking about like he did doing shit like that.
02:53:03
Speaker
No, he wanted to do like a like a one person from every state kind of competition. Oh, my God. talking about He talked about that? He did. He talked about that. um But that's too far away. Yeah.
02:53:15
Speaker
See, we're not that far from all the dystopian stuff. I was like, you're telling me that because that'll definitely be part of the promotion of my screening. Yeah. yeah Yeah. The intro just wrote itself. um All I wanted to say to like Vanya's promo is just like, I've been to so many of these Bates and Sweats, you know, like, like Vanya's vibes of these screenings have always been excellent. Everybody should go check it out. Again, the review is one of the best theaters in the city. And Vanya is a part of that. So like, we're very lucky to have Vanya on the show. And ah like, like Doug and I have been talking about having you on for a long time now. You came long time. Yeah. Yeah. exactly. And you fit in like a glove and like, obviously we knew that we had our own rapport, but like, I always knew that you and Doug would have a great rapport as well.
02:54:02
Speaker
Um, it's one of those situations where it's like two different worlds colliding, but it's not like that's an issue because I knew that both you guys would get along. So, you know, it was great to have you on. yeah I just want to say thanks for having me. It's been a blast. And um I feel like very welcome here and very at home. So thanks a lot for letting me talk about this movie that I and really realize I really care about.
02:54:26
Speaker
We'd love to have you on again. Like, yeah, I would be it would be my pleasure. i would come back. Definitely for sure. Thanks for being ours as well. Yes, of course. ah but did Did you have any plugs you want to throw in there, Tony?
02:54:41
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um
02:54:45
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Two-Step Film Critic. I just did a podcast on Strange Days. um the reason i Oh, yeah. so So that was one of Arthur's favorite films. And like I got on for that recording and I was like, oh, i'm going to be on here for like two hours. We recorded for like three and a half.
02:55:02
Speaker
So like that's a massive episode. And like we went over everything. We went over like Bigelow's career. We and went over like cyberpunk as a genre as well as just the film itself. And the one thing I will say, that film, Angela Bassett, that's what she did the thing in. You know, like like she is incredible in that film.
02:55:19
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Like she did it, you know? ah But yeah, that's all, all you know, um plug for right now for me personally. Oh, and also one thing I will say, actually, because Doug, you and I both do this, Unsource Wall Radio every Sunday. We're almost out of the cornfields.
02:55:34
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woo We have like three, three more children of the corn movies. Two. Okay, thank God. yeah Are you guys covering all the children in the corner? All the children in corner. 11, 12 of I don't know. I've lost all sense of time.
02:55:51
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Oh my gosh. It's 11 and we're about to be on 10. And, ah you know, Vanya, like it sounds as terrible as it is. And I would say that like, it's about like 0.5 better than I thought it was going to be. not Some of them are, you know, like oh as ah as a whole, this is about where I felt like we would be at like 10 movies deep. But like occasionally there's ones that are like, oh, there's like kind of an idea there.
02:56:22
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Right, right. And Urban Harvest is the best. Yeah, yeah. is
02:56:31
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ah Yeah, so check that out. That's awesome. Any final words? o It's good movie li is a good movie. Live your dreams.
02:56:45
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do Whatever they may be. on it If you want to have watch a movie that has like the lights on, uh that this is a this is one you can watch you can see you see what's happening you said it if you've had a gripe about that you can yeah you can see every everything that is in this movie even even when the sun is going down you you see clearly everything that's on the screen so there's just remember what that looks like watch this <unk> All right. Take care, everyone.