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Episode 88- Star Wars Media Chat With Ryan Davis
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Welcome to The GALactic Podcast! In this episode, Lauren is joined by Ryan Davis! They chat about the different Star Wars media available during the Disney-era content. From books, comics, television and more, they discuss what areas they have enjoyed the most.
As always, please review, like, share and subscribe to the podcast where available. Follow us on twitter @theGALacticpod. And as always, may the that force be with you!
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Introduction and Guest Welcome
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Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Glad to podcast. I am Lauren Romo, and I continue my journey of talking with friends from my Star Wars Twitter family. And I have a very
Star Wars Community and Celebration
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special guest. I'm so excited to have him on talking about some Star Wars. Mr. Ryan Davis, what's going on, bud? Not much. How are you, Lauren?
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I'm doing good, man. Thanks for reaching out. And when I did a tweet a while ago, as we're recording this, you reached out to me and said, Hey, man, I really want to talk some Star Wars. And I was like, yes, let's get on. Let's have some fun. So thank you so much for reaching out and wanting to be a part of the show. So thank you. Thank you. That means a lot.
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Yeah, you're in the rotation of Star Wars podcasts I listen to. I don't get to listen to every single one just because there's so many and so little time, but I'm trying to be more social with the people that I seem to agree with and like and seem to be positive in the Star Wars fan community. I've always felt kind of like an outsider.
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I went to Star Wars Celebration for one of the days in 2019 in Chicago, and I didn't know anybody, so I didn't meet anybody there, and it feels like such a lost opportunity now that I've gotten a little more integrated with the Twitter community. I really appreciate you asking me to be on.
Podcast Format and Star Wars Media Expansion
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Well, thanks for, first of all, putting us in your rotation. I really appreciate that.
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But yeah, Star Wars celebration was great. I was there with friends that I met over on Facebook. So it was, yeah, Star Wars brings people together for sure. And that's, that's, that's one of the beautiful things about the franchise, really. I don't think people talk about it enough for sure. But before we get started, cause we have a really fun, I think really fun conversation we're going to have.
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If this is your first time listening to us, welcome. We are Star Wars podcasts that discuss anything and everything within that galaxy far, far away. In each episode, we will dive into one or two topics. They have a general discussion on them. Topics could be movies, TV series, books, comics, a specific character, you name it. And we talk about it. So Ryan, when you and I were talking about
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ideas for our show. You brought up a really fun idea of talking about Star Wars media and kind of what, what's our favorite thus far? Maybe some honorable mentions and all of that. So I'm really fun. I'm really excited. And we're going to have a lot of fun talking about this. But before we kind of jump into it though, I want to ask you when Lucasfilm bought, or I should say, yeah, when Disney bought Lucasfilm from George Lucas.
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They really did make a, I think, impression of, hey, we're going to do more than just movies, right? We're going to, we're going to do different types of media. And I think they've delivered, I think on that, I mean,
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We have books, we have comics, we have live action now, we have animation. We have a lot of content that they have spread through different types of media. How have you felt that they've done thus far as in spreading their content over various types of different media? How have you felt about that?
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Honestly, I think in the Disney era, in at least books and comics in that realm, I feel like for those fans who really love reading, they've knocked it out of the park.
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It's been a ton of content and it's been wide ranging and they've touched on the main storyline of the original trilogy. They touched on the prequel era. They touched on bounty hunters. They touched on criminal underworld. They've introduced new characters like one I'll
Character Development in Comics
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talk about.
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When I get to my favorite part of the media, a character they've introduced named Dr. Afra, and then she got her own comic series, and she's kind of like a Star Wars Indiana Jones, and that's really cool. And they've really branched out. They've done the sequel trilogy timeline. They've given you more about Snoke and Kylo Ren in that early relationship.
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For really, if you're a fan of reading the comics or the books, they have found a way to find just about something for every single type of fan there is. And I'm sure there's even more stuff they're constantly planning that kind of meets the needs or the wants of fandom.
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And I feel like just the that side of it has been so good. And that's what I really want to. That's exactly why I wanted to talk about this is because, again, I love being positive about Star Wars and talking about the things I love. And one of the things that I think the Disney era has done so well has been giving content for readers. Yeah. Oh, God, 100 percent right. Because I think what they've done is really expound kind of what you're talking about in the different eras in Star Wars, right?
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We have a lot of prequel stuff. We have a lot of original trilogy content within the books. We have a lot of starting to get a lot of sequel trilogy stuff. And not like you say, not just in books, but comics. Man, I try to keep up, right? It's hard as a Star Wars fan to keep up with a lot.
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comics all of it but if you're into like books and comics a lot 100% agree they have done so well spreading that out and telling great stories introducing new characters that I think
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And I hope that they bring to maybe more of the forefront somehow, right? And maybe we'll talk about that as we're, as we're talking, but there are so many characters, like, just like you mentioned, Dr. Arfia, man, I would love a series, like a live action series of her, like, my God, it's so good, right? Like there's a lot of opportunities for what they've created within the comics, within the books that they can really expound on in different media. And I think that's what they've done in my opinion too, is really kind of spread it around.
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But really you can like say Dr. Efria could do a live action, right? You can pick and choose some of these characters that they've created in the comics or books and you can make them really, really special. And then you can make them even more special by putting them into maybe a live action or somehow some way animation, right? Cause that's like the next evolution. I feel like like you, maybe you start a character in a comic or book, maybe give them into animation.
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get him into like a live action. You know, there's just so many opportunities. Right. You know, I've seen a lot of people with specifically Dr. Afra. I've seen people like fan casting. What's I think her name is Chloe Bennett. I think she was the one of the stars of Agents of Shield. Right. And and we've seen before, you know, characters that fans have kind of fan casted that ultimately ended up. I mean, there was a push for Donald Glover to play a young Lando before he was cast in that role. And I think
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And it was I mean, he did an amazing job. So it wouldn't surprise me at all that Disney kind of listens to those things. Lucasfilm listens and that we could end up with someone like her playing a live action, Dr. Afra. And that's it adds to the richness of Star Wars that they are able to create those things that start in these niche groups and then expand into more of the mainstream and to go to just, you know, the
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the actual film side of it. Ahsoka is the best example, right? You know, she started as a character introduced in the Clone Wars movie and then the Clone Wars TV series. And then now, I mean, she had books, she had comics, and now she's in, you know, the mainstream again being played by, you know, a big one of the bigger named actors to appear in Star Wars period. Right. Right. Right. Yeah.
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at least at the time that they were cast, obviously Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, big names now, but not when they were cast. So one of the bigger names to be cast in a Star Wars project period, Rosario Dawson as Ahsoka. So that shows you the way that all of that is going under the Disney era.
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Yeah. And a good point that you made up too, like Rosario Dawson, a lot of people fancasted her as a soca way back when, you know, she was on board. Right. Oh God. She was, she was so on board and you can see that when you watch the gallery.
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of Mando season two, they, you know, she's in there for a little bit and she talks about that. And, and she's talked about in interviews, if you read, you know, if you read your interviews a lot of times about Star Wars, when it gets brought up, she talks about that all the time. Like, yeah, do that. This was a fan cast thing. I was on board. She's like, I love that character. She's like, so I was honored. So like, it is really cool for people that like take that and like, yeah, I'm in, I'll do it. And it happens. Like it's very cool. You know, so let's get into,
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the media, because like we were talking about, there's so, so many avenues right now that I think fans can get into, whether you do, maybe you, maybe you do love to read, like you're talking about, maybe you like the live action animation. There's so many different medias for Star Wars fans to jump into. So what's your favorite right now and what do you see moving forward with it?
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Yeah, so I kind of tossed it around a few times in my head. I wanted to give an honorable mention. Shout out to Claudia Gray's novel, Leia, Princess of Alderaan. It's really good. It's one of my favorite books. Star Wars books, period. I absolutely was a joy to read. And my daughter is about 10 years old and she's getting about to the age where I think she'll be captivated by that. Nice.
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She and I are in the process of reading Shadows of the Empire together, which is another great Star Wars book and one of my favorites from a long time. But the main one I wanted to say is the Darth Vader comic series, and it's really been all of them that they've done recently. They did.
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a run in 2015 that told the story, I think it was between A New Hope and Empire, of what was going on with Darth Vader. In 2017, they did another comic run where it basically picked right up at the end of Revenge of the Sith, and even rewrote that Darth Vader no a little bit, and made it a little less cringe-worthy, and picked up with
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And then it was kind of his journey learning to be a Sith, right? Because we lose all that in the movies. He's kind of like Darth Vader at the end of Revenge of the Sith and okay, so now he's a Sith, but he doesn't really know much about what the Sith believe or what the Sith do other than what the Jedi have taught him, right? So he hasn't learned anything under
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Palpatine and then, you know, kind of fast forward to when we see him again in A New Hope. You know, we've lost a lot of that development of him as a Sith and that comic book picks that up. And for that reason, it kind of makes it my favorite. And it shows the development of his castle on Mustafar and why he chooses that place and that there's this kind of portal to
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the afterlife in that castle that kind of takes him to these interesting places where he sees, you know, events of past, present and future. I think that that comic, you know, shows him a vision of him fighting Ahsoka, which ends up happening in Star Wars Rebels. So it ties in, you know, things like that. And so when in Star Wars Rebels, when
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Vader tells us, OK, it was foretold that you would be here. It's showing him experiencing that foretelling in a vision. So that that's really cool stuff, the way they intertwine the stories and make everything, you know, as Lucas would say, make it all rhyme. That's the kind of things that they do in these comics. It's it makes it my favorite. And also because Darth Vader is just has always been one of my favorite characters. And I think one of the most interesting characters in cinema in general.
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And they add so many more layers to him in a way that, you know, when they were originally announcing, you know, the sequel trilogy, and then they were saying, and we're going to do anthology movies, and there were rumors it was going to be this Rogue One movie, and then it was going to be an Obi-Wan movie, and it was going to be a Boba Fett movie, and there was a rumor that there was going to be a Yoda movie, you know, all this stuff that was flying around that was probably at least being discussed, I always kind of hoped
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they'd make a Darth Vader movie while James Earl Jones was still, you know, reasonably interested in doing it because I think he's what, like 93 at this point. Yeah. Yeah. Just a little bit up there. Yeah, that's so I was always hoping that they would do something like that. And it doesn't really appear other than his involvement in the Kenobi series doesn't appear. They're going to do much with that. But they've filled in a lot of those gaps in the comics and
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It's really been a joy to follow those stories and see that development of that character.
Vader's Depth and Kenobi Series Expectations
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Yeah, I got Charles. So well, first of all, let's let's 2015 that comic that happens, like you're seeing between A New Hope and Empire. Who that kind of changed the game a little bit, because that is when we find out that he knew about Luke prior to and prior to seeing him on Cloud City in Bespin because Boba Fett, he had Boba Fett kind of
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search and find some information. And Boba said, yeah, that kid that blew up the first Death Star, his name is Luke Skywalker. So like, just that kind of like, drop was, it's kind of big, like, how to, I mean, as fans, we were like, man, that's, that's some deep stuff like that. That changes everything. If you think about like,
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So he knew up to, you know, even going into empire and like, it's just really interesting. And like you're saying Vader is such an interesting character deep. I mean, you talk about Vader, Anakin, it's almost, you know, I always intertwined them because it's always like there's a little bit of a Vader, a little bit of Anakin, like at all times, I think within that character, you know, and then specifically when you talk about the 2017 with Charles soul, my God, that who that comic, if you guys haven't read that one,
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It's deep and it's really good, like Ryan is saying, like to go straight from when he dons the suit at the end of Revenge of the Sith, you follow this really interesting journey of his. And it's really cool to see his character kind of work things out because I still think at that time too, which they explored in the comics, I feel Ryan that.
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They showed that he struggled, right? He struggled being Vader and being Anakin still. Yeah. He had doubts. Yeah. And that was great to see, right? I mean... Right. And you would imagine if you were writing this story organically in your mind, that at the end of Revenge of the Sith, the whole point was he was so afraid of losing Padme. And we see...
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the end of it for him is the cutoff when he finds out that after all the sacrifice, everything he did, slaughtering the younglings, you know, I mean, everything, turning his back on the Jedi, all of it was for Padme. He even, you know, probably accepted the fact that he lost his limbs and burned alive if it would have saved Padme.
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Right. But but none of it did. And it was all part of Palpatine's kind of master manipulation. And so we we see the cut off right there. And organically, you would think he's going to have some doubts about whether he really should follow on this dark side path. And we get to see him, you know, go to Mustafar, be essentially exiled there by the emperor to, you know, ponder his, you know, loss and.
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you know, we see him develop that story and kind of go through that. He has this vision where he imagines going to Obi-Wan, wherever Obi-Wan is, taking his helmet off and just like kneeling in front of him, basically like begging him to just put him out of his misery.
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So yeah, I mean, that's really heartbreaking storytelling. And I mean, it's amazing in the comics. It does make me wish we could have seen some of that on the big screen or in a Disney Plus series. I think it would be amazing. And to their credit, when they were planning the 2015 and probably 2017 comics to tell those stories, it probably wasn't even really a thought process that that kind of thing would be successful on Disney Plus.
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because Amanda was really the first test and they didn't really even know if it was successful until it was. So that stuff was way before and I do think there are probably some regrets at Lucasfilm about having told maybe some of these stories in comics or telling the Twin Suns episode with Obi-Wan and Darth Maul on Star Wars Rebels rather than in an Obi-Wan Kenobi series. So I'm sure there are some regrets but
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Ultimately, it ends up with these amazing stories written in this medium that are just, you know, a joy for me. Comics have always been kind of a big joy for me in my life. And it's something I get to share with my daughter now too. So I love that they wrote these stories there. Right. Right. And it's, again, like there's, they've made and are able to tell this story. Like you're saying, maybe, maybe this wasn't something that they thought of that maybe, Oh, if we did this live action or even an animation at that time, people might, you know,
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enjoy it but they you know it was a it was a crapshoot like you're saying with Disney Plus they didn't know I mean back at that time like 2017 like streaming was still kind of a thing but it wasn't as big as it is now especially with like pandemic and everything people are obviously staying inside more so like streaming is is a major part of people's viewing so I would be very interested to see if somehow maybe within the Kenobi series right
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Who knows? Maybe we have a flashback of something that maybe hints to something in the comics, right? It's possible. I mean, will they do it? I don't know. I venture to say no, but they have opportunities, right? Because they are doing stuff in this Disney Plus streaming. They could pull some stuff from comics and like put it into live action a little bit, you know, and see it from Vader's perspective, which I think is going to be really, I really hope that's one thing.
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in the Kenobi series, I hope they do, is get a deeper perspective from Vader that we see in these comics, right? Because if you just watch maybe, like you're saying, the movies or even in the animation, you don't really get that deep into it like they do in the comics, right? Like they go really deep into his character.
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What do you think that's? I mean, I hope, but maybe I think that's something they can explore in the Kenobi series. Right. I think they probably should, because you're right. Vader in the original trilogy is just kind of this, you know, masked evil until you learn that he's Luke's father. And then it's like, wow, there's got to be more to that backstory. Right. And then they give you some of that in Return of the Jedi and they humanize him to a degree, but not until really the end of the movie. Right.
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There's only kind of one hint when it's that scene where Darth Vader lights up Luke's lightsaber, where it kind of focuses on him at the end, where you get that. OK, maybe there's some Lucas, right? There is humanity here. There is still Anakin in there. But we know based on these comics that internally there is always still Anakin. You know, just like how when he was Anakin, there was always a little Vader in him, even when he's, you know, killing the sand people.
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Right. Right. You know, he always had a little Vader and a little Anakin is just which one was more prominent at the given time. So, yeah, I really hope they do show that more in the Kenobi series, because again, in their relationship in the prequels is what's leading to this moment. And we saw so much of Anakin and Vader, those two sides of the same person throughout the prequels. So to kind of
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brush over Anakin and just kind of portray him as original trilogy Vader, I think would be a huge missed opportunity. So I do think we will see more humanizing of Vader and learning more about the internal struggle, I hope, in that character. I know there have already been, you know, Star Wars Newsnet put out those images about, you know, we might see Anakin in the back
Future Directions of Star Wars Media
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to tank. And I think
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You know, inherently showing him trying to heal his body, which at this point it's been what, eight to 10 years? So he's got to have at least some thought that he's never going to be able to properly heal his body, but he's still trying to heal his body. That shows a lot of that human side, that Anakin side, just in general. So I do think you're right on. I think we'll get to see a little bit more of that internal struggle because it's inherent to the relationship between him and Obi-Wan.
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Yeah, I mean, that's, that's a huge part of the relationship is just that struggle between, you know, Obi-Wan, you know, showing him the right path. Anakin not always listening and kind of doing his own thing. And again, like you're saying, towing that line of good and bad, you know, light and dark all the way. So yeah, I, oh man, he, he is one of those characters that I think they've done, especially in the comics really well. I mean, then you go to,
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And maybe you'll know, you'll know maybe the comic book run that I'm thinking of, but like when he's searching for information on Padme, and then he finds the, um, one of the handmaidings that looks exactly like her. He thinks for a moment. Yeah. He thinks for a moment, like, Oh man, is she alive? Like, was this all a big lie? So like, you know, and then the, you talked about it earlier too with the emperor, like they really showed, I think the,
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interesting relationship between those two as far as him not really trusting him a lot but still doing what he's being told because he doesn't really have anything left like you know like you're saying you like you talked about before like Padme was gone you know and they he was a lost kid a lost soul now really and now the Emperor was the only guy that really he could still kind of look at and like feel that he had a family so like
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They really explore that well within these comic books. And I think they do that. And I hope that they kind of reflect that into the Obi-Wan Kenobi series that we're talking about. That'd be so good. And then even with, again, it was in comics, so many different characters. You brought up Dr. Affia earlier, like there's so many characters that they have introduced in comics that, my God, they could be huge if they did like an animated or even a appearance in live action.
00:22:43
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100% Dr. Efri I think would be someone that every Star Wars fan that's not familiar with her comic, right?
00:22:51
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they could get 100% behind with, cause it is, like you said, that Indiana Jones style that I think fits really well with Star Wars. And she would just be an absolute gem to like put in pieces that maybe we are missing from like live action or even animation. Cause all of her ventures have been really interesting as far as like artifact chasing and things like that. She's had run-ins with Vader, like it's really cool character, you know? And I think that's what's,
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special to me as far as comic books go is the vastness, you know? Yeah, she's one of those characters that is rare in that she's smart enough to kind of go toe to toe with Vader and to know
00:23:31
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you know, when to back off and when to I mean, she outsmarts him. She she flat out outsmarts him in the Vader comic. She he puts her into the like pressure lock and blows her out into space. But she has, you know, set it up so that she'd survive and be picked up by by her robots. So she's got she's got essentially a murder C three P.O.
00:23:56
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I mean, that's a character I'd love to see in live action, essentially. I mean, just talk about fan casting for the voice of that, essentially, you know, homicidal C-3PO. I mean, how fun is that? So, yeah, there's there's a lot you can do with these characters that they've they've built out. And, you know, we kind of talked at the beginning about how they can move forward with
00:24:20
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with all these different media. I do think it's just continuing to branch out. We haven't even talked about the higher public stuff, which, to be totally honest, I haven't even read any of it. I see that people are loving it, and that's awesome. I'm sure I'm going to get around to it eventually, but there's just so much that's out there that appeals to me.
00:24:39
Speaker
So it's been hard. But yeah, that stuff, I love that they're building that whole next little Star Wars universe and starting with the books and comics. I mean, I feel like I remember them saying at one point that this is where the story is going to be contained, but I never believed that for a second. If they see that it's going to be popular and people are reading it and enjoying it,
00:25:04
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They know that they're going to get a big audience if they put, you know, OK, we're going to announce in 2030, we're going to do a higher public trilogy and people are going to go nuts. That that's kind of what I expect and how they continue to branch out and tell those stories. But I'd also like to see and touch other eras of Star Wars. I'd like to see more about what happened with the main original trilogy characters in the years that followed Return of the Jedi.
00:25:32
Speaker
They've given us little tastes of where they were and what they were doing. But, you know, again, you know, George Lucas did the original trilogy. Then he did the prequel trilogy. And then Disney's kind of filling in the gaps between those years right now. Then they did a 30 year time jump between the original trilogy and the sequels. You've got to fill in some of that. We need to see more than in just comics, you know,
00:25:59
Speaker
I'm not saying they have to go do a trilogy in between those trilogies, but, you know, Mando is a great first start. You're showing us the fall of the empire and what kind of lawlessness exists and the different political opinions about, you know, who thinks maybe the empire was better than this kind of lawless nature that they're going through.
00:26:22
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So I like that they're starting to expand that, but I really would love to see more. And maybe it's a cartoon series. Maybe it's an animation that they do it. I'd love to see a way to put it in live action on a Disney Plus series, but I don't know how you do that at this point without upsetting some people. So maybe if it's in a comic or a cartoon, that's fine with me. But yeah, I'd love to see.
00:26:48
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them flush out Luke and Han and Leia and Chewie and kind of show us where the adventure went after Return of the Jedi. Yeah. I mean, Star Wars fans being upset, that's a, you know, that's just crazy, crazy talk there, Ryan. We're never, we're never upset. That never happens. Never, ever does it. But yeah, I really hope that they continue
00:27:13
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on
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thought it through and are flushing it out. All these authors came together and they were like, let's build a story. Let's build a storyline that we can talk about for a while and just have everything connect, like the comics to the books, everything. And I think that's what I think they're trying to do in Star Wars, especially now that the Skywalker saga is kind of over,
00:27:57
Speaker
Let's let's shift and let's focus on a different era. Now, the higher public is that era. So, you know, within the media of comic books and novels. So, yeah, higher public is good. I know if you're enjoying the Vader stuff, I know. And obviously, Charles Soule, he's done some stuff within the higher public. You'll like it when you get to it, Ryan. It's it's good. Like, it's really good. Star Wars for sure. Yeah. And that's what I've heard from the people who have actually read it. I don't think I've really listened
00:28:26
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to anybody that I know who read any of that stuff and said, yeah, I didn't really care for it. And it's usually if you're a Star Wars fan and you read it, you're into it. And I think it's a good way to get non Star Wars fans who like the genre, honestly, because it doesn't it's not a high bar. If you put, hey, we're putting out a new Luke and Leia story. You know, if you're not into Star Wars, you'd be like, ah, there's so much about those guys. I don't know. I don't know anything about it. It's not going to interest me. But if you're starting with these fresh new characters that
00:28:52
Speaker
It allows you to expand to a bigger audience. And the other part of it is the way you describe that they're doing it, this collaborative way with all these writers getting together and creating this one big overarching story that they're breaking out into all these different books and comics. And some of the books are for young adult, and some of them are more like middle grade. So they're putting all the stories out in ways that can grab different categories and age groups of readers.
00:29:21
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it's addressing in general the problem that I think most non-toxic fans, when they objectively look at the sequel trilogy and critique it, it's the biggest problem that most of us have is nobody sat down and said, let's do a full story. Disney just wanted to announce a trilogy without having a trilogy. Well, we'll make whatever story we come up with fit for three movies. It was kind of how they did it. And I'm sure that's a company. Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:49
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you know, that that doesn't take away from anyone's enjoyment of any one, two or all three of those movies. I certainly would not want to do that because I enjoy all those movies in different ways. But it is it is still, you know, we can we can critique the art we love. And that's my biggest issue is they wanted to pass the baton rather than
00:30:08
Speaker
writing a coherent storyline and that that's too you know it's failing but they're showing consistently since then in these ways that they've learned that lesson that fans don't want you know the story to be disjointed we want things to connect we want to be able to get into all of it and
Animation's Role in Star Wars Storytelling
00:30:29
Speaker
you know, Marvel's the best example of, you know, you can do that and give us 25, 30 movies over the course of a decade and we're going to enjoy it and we're going to tie it all together and we're going to still show up in the theater if you give us stories we like. So it's a lesson that Star Wars, I think, is hopefully showing their learning. I mean, they're tying together, you know, Book of Boba Fett and
00:30:54
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uh, Mando and I'm sure Ahsoka, you know, obviously that was, you know, kind of her story in live action was started in Mando and is going to continue. And they had planned the Rangers and the new Republic until there were issues with that. And hopefully they still come back with something similar with, uh, Paul Sung Hyun Lee because he's awesome. But, uh, but yeah, so it seems like they've learned that lesson that, that fans have an appetite for tying all these bigger stories together and making this one kind of
00:31:22
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small universe inside a larger universe. And you're right, the High Republic is a great example of them doing it successfully. And I'm sure that that means soon in the next coming 10 years, probably, that we see them start to do it with that storyline on the big screen or on Disney+. Yeah, definitely. I think it's right there if they want to, right? I mean, it's whether or not they really want to do it. But I'm glad you brought up kind of like animation and everything like that because
00:31:51
Speaker
For me, for my kind of media that I have just fallen in love with and I love it, is animation. And I think what they're doing in that media, very similar than like what you're talking about with the novels and comics, right? Like they're taking some of these stories
00:32:11
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that we love or they're taking the timelines that we are familiar with and giving us new characters and new stories but still fitting it into what we know already what's established and it's just it's really great to see obviously a lot of examples for me and one of my favorite animation series is rebels i think rebels is
00:32:32
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one of the best story arcs of characters that I have seen in Star Wars yet like it's just from season one to season four man it's just such a great ride with these characters and what they do with these characters and the openness that they have left it to where now again we're assuming with a live action Ahsoka series we might get Ezra we might you know they there's a rumor about Sabine being casted already so like
00:33:00
Speaker
And then obviously the Thrawn mention in Mando season two from Ahsoka, like we assume he's going to show up. So all of these mentions are because that they built that storyline from Rebels and people loved it. Like it's a genuinely loved, I think overall for Star Wars fans, a big animation series that everybody enjoyed from top to bottom. Absolutely. You know, like, I mean, they might have favorite episodes and favorite moments, but overall, like it's just some of my favorite stuff.
00:33:30
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And I think what they can do is within the animation and now the technology, I mean, you look at Bad Batch now, the animation is beautiful, isn't it? Like it's, it's spectacular. So like you can do a lot of stuff within the animation, like you're talking about, like, I think a really good spot for like more stories of Luke, Han and Leia, right? Post Return of the Jedi, throw it in animation. And guess what? Mark Hamill is a voice actor, kids. Let him do Luke. I mean, it'd be,
00:34:00
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He could do it and you can do it and make it feel natural and everything like that animation for you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say that that idea, if you're doing a post return of the Jedi Luke and animation, you know, I'm sure Mark Hamill would still love to do. I mean, obviously he's still doing voice acting. He just did an amazing job as Skeletor in the universe revelation.
00:34:23
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He was so good as Skeletor. And yeah, and I think it goes further to take more steps towards healing that relationship. Obviously, Mark had issues with how Luke was handled in the sequel trilogy, and it's beyond just his complaints that he voiced.
00:34:38
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you know, leading up to the Last Jedi release. It was also, you know, he when he signed on, it was with the understanding he would be in three movies as, you know, more than just a cameo. And I think he felt, you know, real bad about, you know, the fact that he was a cameo in the first movie killed off in the second movie and a cameo in the third movie. But, you know, regardless, they've they've made strides in kind of healing that relationship with Mark Hamill as an actor, as a person.
00:35:06
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by that Mando season two appearance and doing the full day. When they didn't have to do that, I'm sure. Technologically, they probably did not need Mark Hamill to be there physically, but they still wanted to put him in the outfit and let him do
00:35:21
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that part of it and get credited at the end of the episode, which I think is amazing. I would love to see them continue to say, you know what? We don't see Mark Hamill as just the guy who was Luke Skywalker who we brought back. We see him as Luke Skywalker. He's our Luke Skywalker and we want to do more Luke Skywalker stories with him. I think that would be amazing. The animation in general,
00:35:46
Speaker
I think that I love about rebels is kind of this. It's and Filoni does this with Mandalorian, too, and did it with Clone Wars. It's the semi serialized semi anthology style of storytelling where the overall story all ties together very well with Bad Batch, too.
00:36:08
Speaker
But along the way, you get all these little side quests. And I thought that rebels did a lot of that where, you know, they they when you look at it, it's all these new characters, but they all feel really familiar because they're in this universe where, OK, so Ezra is this kind of Luke style character and Canaan is this older jaded Jedi kind of like Obi Wan. And there's this semi parental
00:36:34
Speaker
relationship going on there and then you've got Hera who is kind of a Han Solo-esque Leia. I mean it just all and you know just all of these characters that feel familiar but you like them and they go on these you know fun missions together on their spaceship and it's but at the same time they incorporate concepts like
00:36:54
Speaker
Darth Maul and Darth Vader and the Emperor and and the Sith and the the search for the Jedi and the building of the Empire and they bring in Thrawn. I mean, it adds in all these characters that are familiar and interesting and again, gives them more layers. You get to see more. You get to see that again, maybe something they regret putting in animation at this point, but you get to see that Ahsoka versus Darth Vader in his prime. Oh, so good.
00:37:23
Speaker
And it's like and it again gives you more of that. But there's still Anakin in there. Right. This is this is someone whose entire relationship was Anakin and Ahsoka. Now he's Vader. So there's still Anakin in there. And it just adds more to all those characters. So, yeah, that that's the stuff that I love about rebels, just like you is it.
00:37:43
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It gives us that familiar world, but it also adds all these new concepts, like the world between worlds. I mean, it's just the amazing concepts, and it kind of rewrites part of the story from season two. I mean, all of it is really interesting, and it just expands the Star Wars universe. I think of the world between worlds episode as very similar to the Mortis arc.
00:38:06
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of the Clone Wars, where it just kind of takes the mythology and just goes, OK, you think you know what Star Wars is? Look at this and just kind of blows your mind. Yeah, I again, I think and that's where I think animation can really, really like strive and do those type of concepts and do it in animation to make it not feel kind of weird. Like if we saw World Between Worlds in live action,
00:38:36
Speaker
I think people might be like, okay. A little weird. Like if the rise of Skywalker had been the, you know, dealing with the world between worlds, people would have lost their minds. Right, right. Like, so I think animation is like a really good spot to where they can introduce those types of concepts. Like you're saying at Clone Wars.
00:38:56
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mortis one of the the staples of I think animation and in star wars like a huge art for anakin so like you can put those concepts in animation because you can do some fun stuff in animation right that maybe it would have come off
00:39:13
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as good as maybe if you did it in live action. So I think with animation, they can do a lot of cool stuff and a lot of things that maybe in live action, like we're talking about, it might come off silly, but it just works and just feels better in animation. And I will still attest to the fact that I think if they did an animation theatrical movie, it would do really well. I think people,
00:39:40
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Especially nowadays, I think animation isn't looked at as like four kids. Because like you said, rebels, it was dark at times, not just a little bit. It was dark. Like season two, that was dark stuff, kids. Like that was some really dark concepts, dark episodes. I mean, it was something that I was like, okay, this is for kids. Interesting. Feels a little more adult, but that's okay. But like you're saying, they mixed it in so well with like those fun adventures.
00:40:07
Speaker
Just like you know chopper in AP five or just these other kind of side quests that were really again Felt more of like the the animation for kids and everything like that But I think another example though too for animation that again I say that it shows that people would go see in the theater is those last four episodes of Clone Wars season 7 like put that in a theater and I'm telling you people would lose their minds that was something that
00:40:35
Speaker
I think that's something that people would have gone to the theater. I would have. I completely agree. Yeah, I know that they.
00:40:42
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They definitely I thought it was fun that they did it in that style where they essentially bookended Clone Wars with movies. But the original Clone Wars movie was theatrically released. So I agree with you. I think if they had just done it the same way, only, you know, just keep the episode running, you know, just do that full two hour final portion of Clone Wars and maybe you release it theatrically and put it on Disney Plus.
00:41:12
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Obviously, releasing theatrically for the last two years has been a challenge for a lot of movie companies.
00:41:22
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I don't recall when that aired, but maybe the pandemic changed some of the plans. Maybe they had thought about doing it theatrically, but ended up not. I can't recall exactly when that came out. But yeah, ultimately, I do agree. I think that if they were to say, hey, we're going to do, let's say, a post Return of the Jedi movie.
00:41:44
Speaker
Um, and it's going to be an animation, but we're going to bring back Mark Hamill to play Luke Skywalker. And, you know, uh, we're going to recast some of the other actors, but you know, we'll bring back Anthony Daniels, uh, to BC three PO, et cetera,
Evolution and Impact of Animation Technology
00:41:58
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et cetera. Um, and we're going to put it out in theaters and release it also on Disney plus, um, just as kind of a love letter to the fans and to kind of bridge
00:42:07
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the story of the original trilogy to the sequel trilogy. I think that would be something that, yeah, they probably would be successful with. I think fans, especially again, you know, there's I only use the Marvel example because, you know, obviously owned by the same company and there's a ton of overlap between Marvel fans and Star Wars fans. And you see that the same people are willing to go
00:42:33
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three times a year to the theater and now also watch three or four shows on Disney Plus and theorize and do the YouTube videos about it and all that stuff that we all absolutely just eat up as fans. I think they're seeing that there's an appetite for this and that there's a market for that with Star Wars and that it doesn't need to be like Marvel where it's just live action movies that all tie together constantly.
00:42:58
Speaker
you know, building to one overall story, it doesn't have to be exactly that. It could be, like you said, the occasional anthology movie or animated movie that they put out that just covers a certain area of the galaxy. And I think with two, again, you go I go back to with Colomar season seven, that fight between Ahsoka and Mal Mocap and it was awesome. So you could do some pretty cool stuff, I think, with animation. Now, I think like we're talking about, like,
00:43:27
Speaker
I mean, the Bad Batch and like I said, the end of like Clone Wars season seven, those two is some of like the most realistic stuff I've seen. Like it almost feels live action, like just how detailed it is, right?
00:43:41
Speaker
You're getting to the point where animation is just going to feel and almost look like a live action and you're not going to be able to tell the difference. Like you're, we're getting there and we're almost there. I feel like like it's, I mean, you look at video games, like I go to, uh, the last of us part two and like how realistic from, from the first move, from the first game to the second game of that, of that franchise. I mean, the, the.
00:44:06
Speaker
the details in that game and just how it looked so real. You could, I mean, again, you're right there with animation. It's the same thing. Like you could do that stuff and make it feel like you are literally watching a live action. I mean, right.
00:44:20
Speaker
we go to again, a very, a very kind of controversial thing, but the, the video game. Yeah. The eclipse one. I was going to bring that up. Yeah. Right. So controversy aside, cause that that's a whole different, that's a whole different show that I'm going to do on that. But if you just look at it aesthetically and like visually,
00:44:43
Speaker
man, that looked amazing, right? Like, I mean, you have, like, I think you can, you can do that and put that in theaters, right? Like if that was something that was a trailer that I didn't know was a video game, I'd be like, when's that movie coming out? Like that's, that's very much how I felt about it when I was watching it. And I'm not a big gamer. I buy games that I like, but I know nothing about the gaming community. So when I found out after I saw that trailer about more, I know obviously I was,
00:45:09
Speaker
Uh, pretty disgusted by, by what I was reading, but, um, but as far as like, you know, I, I, I buy, you know, like MLB the show and you know, I bought a squadrons because I wanted to play VR, you know, like I buy that kind of stuff. Uh, just if I'm fairly interested, um, I'm still working on fallen order, but, um, yeah, that when I, when I saw that trailer for that game,
00:45:32
Speaker
It was the most blown away by a game trailer I've ever been. It certainly looked like games are evolving into essentially live action interactive movies. That's how it felt. When it was moving very quickly through a lot of the trailer, I was kind of just looking in my mind going,
00:45:51
Speaker
Okay, so there's only a handful of actual human characters on screen. So everything else just looks like a movie because CGI is so integrated into movies now that the game just looks like a movie. And the only thing that can really bridge that gap is when you see these uncanny valley Tarkins.
00:46:09
Speaker
that are floating around. Right. Right. It's like I almost have to like grab onto them like life preservers like, OK, I'm going to focus on this CGI human to remind myself to not fall into the trap of thinking this is real. So, yeah, you're absolutely right. And when you started to talk about gaming, that was the first thing I thought of was how how blown away I was by the by the actual trailer for that game. Right. So again,
00:46:38
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you know, connecting that to the animation like they could easily again, it might cost a lot of money. Again, I guarantee animation is not cheap. I mean, to make and to do.
00:46:47
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takes a lot of time so but there is that technology out there and clearly like with the volume they use a lot of kind of video game ask stuff to film like it's there like it's getting to the point where like you're saying CGI everything is it looks real like you're not gonna be able to tell the difference unless you like you're saying
00:47:09
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You stare at a character and just know that, okay, that's not a real person. That's totally CGI. And you can kind of like the shovel, the two, but yeah, I think animation, if they do it and they do it well, I think in the future, it could be huge in Star Wars. And I think it's getting there. Like people do watch, like my parents watch, or at least my mom, I don't know about my dad, my dad, probably not, but my mom.
00:47:33
Speaker
I've gotten my mother to watch all the animation stuff. So she's watched Bad Batch, Rebels, right? So like, it's in, she's enjoyed it. Like she has told me like, yeah, those are really fun stories. Like, so the audience, even as a general audience member, like my mom, it's there. Like animation is something that people can watch and enjoy. So if done well, I think the future for animation, Star Wars specifically is, it could be huge. Like I think, again, I think down,
00:48:02
Speaker
I think within the next, I'll say five to 10 years, we will definitely get a animated theatrical Star Wars movie, maybe more than one, but I think we'll get at least one in the theaters. And I think that's it. As long as they keep producing these wonderful animations, like we know we're getting a bad batch season two and you know, that's going to be really great. And even like a thing like Star Wars visions.
00:48:28
Speaker
a different take on Star Wars, and it was awesome. Again, people enjoyed it and it was animated, and a different style of animation was animated. So you can do a lot within that, I think, media, and really tell some really fantastic stories that either, A, like you're saying, we fill in the gaps between some stuff, or we can go back to, say, the Old Republic, or tell some High Republic stories.
00:48:54
Speaker
You can really build upon, just like they do in comic books and novels, build a totally different era and have it visually look like a movie almost. Like, and feel like a movie. And that's why I think animation too. I liked the long form of it. Like, Four Seasons of Rebels was perfect.
00:49:12
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like I don't think it was too short or too long like four seasons was perfect and just like bad batches bad batch ends up like two seasons perfect I think that's that's that's the story you wanted to tell and it was two seasons I'm cool with that and it and it's just how you present that story and how you show it I think that's the most important thing in animation for me and they
00:49:35
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They have done an outstanding job, whether that's Clone Wars, whether that's even Resistance back in the day, whether that's Rebels or whether that is Bad Batch currently.
00:49:47
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animation for me is is where it's at. That's just it's just my favorite for sure. And I think animation and also the comics and the books are doing such a great job grabbing new fans in a way that I think again, I don't want to I don't want to be down on the movie side because I love the movies, but in a way that I think that it was mixed reviews. You know, my my daughter, right, right.
00:50:12
Speaker
My daughter likes all the movies, but as far as she likes Rey, she likes Kylo, she likes Finn,
Optimism and Embracing Star Wars Diversity
00:50:19
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all of them. She likes the characters. She likes all the prequel and all of them. But if I asked her which character are you most excited about seeing more new stories, she would probably tell me Omega.
00:50:32
Speaker
Uh, because, because she's, she's a 10 year old little blonde girl who has dreams of flying in starships. Uh, so when she sees this, I don't know, 10 or 12 year old little blonde girl, uh, who kind of just goes from being this cute, smart little nobody to all of a sudden, you know, this big role with the bad batch, she just loves it. And I love watching her, you know, see that story and project herself in that role. And,
00:50:59
Speaker
you know, her imagination just go because of it. That is that is what I love seeing. And I know that
00:51:06
Speaker
all the different types of media are grabbing age groups. And I love Bad Batch because I love the story in general, and I love the clones. And I didn't love them in Clone Wars, which is crazy. I was one of those people who thought, oh, Bad Batch series. Well, that's not for me. But I'll probably watch the first episode and just see. And when it came out, it was the trailer. When I saw the trailer, I was like, OK.
00:51:32
Speaker
All right, maybe. And then and then I watched it and was like, all right, you got me. This is good. I really like this. Yeah, it was for me, too. I remember when Clone Wars season seven came out, they did that for four episode arc of The Bad Batch. I was like, OK, very interesting. Different type of clones. That's cool. And then they announced that they were going to do a series of them. I was like, OK, interesting. And I wonder what they're going to do with them.
00:51:58
Speaker
The trailer hits and I'm just like, Oh dear God, Star Wars. Why do you like, you get me every time with the trailers, like every time. And then they'll, like you're saying those first, that first episode of who of again, Dave Floney likes to break our hearts with, you know, order 66. You show that through Canaan's perspective. It's just, I mean, it was good. And then you were like, you're saying you're off and running and you had Omega who's been such a cool character. And like you're saying,
00:52:25
Speaker
It's big for kids in, like you're saying, for your daughter's age, to identify and be relatable to a character like that. It's huge, and I think that's what Star Wars can do and is doing well in these different type of medias, not just the movies, right? Because we all love the movies. The movies is where it started, and I think that's where a lot of people's hearts are. But I think now that- There's nothing like seeing Star Wars live action on the big screen at the crawl.
00:52:53
Speaker
There's nothing like it. No, no There won't be ever right. I totally agree Ryan and but now that they are kind of dipping their toes and doing more of this Like we talked about comic books novels animation like they're really expanding it and getting new generation new fans Into Star Wars who are now watching the movies for the first time and being like, oh wow, these are really good like that's what they're doing and I don't think people talk about that enough, you know, like
00:53:20
Speaker
Right. They're doing it pretty well. Again, sometimes marketing frustrates me with Star Wars. Not going to lie. But when it's done well, they do it very well. And they continue to do that. Star Wars overall will be fine. I mean, it's going to be fine for years to come. And I think like you're saying, they are learning from stuff. I think they're changing, you know, maybe ways they do things as far as marketing and whatnot and knowing what to
00:53:49
Speaker
what to put out, what kind of shows people are liking, the characters, the eras. But I think overall, I think Star Wars in both comic book era media and in the animation media, the future is super bright for both, like super bright. I think we'll be okay, kids. We'll be okay with what we're going to get moving forward.
00:54:12
Speaker
It's a good time to be a Star Wars fan. I always said that. And I think it's very true. We are in a very golden era of Star Wars. It's a wonderful time. It's a wonderful time to be enjoying the franchise that we love. Before we wrap up, Brian, any final thoughts on media, Star Wars, what we've been talking about?
00:54:33
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Oh, no, I'd say that we covered it pretty thoroughly. The one last thought that I had had kind of floating in my head was how I love that they they give us those things that we love in animation, in the books, in comics, and they still find ways to kind of just give you little inklings, whether it be showing Darth Maul at the end of Solo as kind of an Easter egg to the Clone Wars fans, even though they clearly had no actual plan to use him moving forward.
00:55:00
Speaker
from that moment. It was very clear. I remember it being like, yes, they're going to give us more Darth Maul live action. And it sounds like maybe they thought from the reaction to that, like maybe they'll do it. And then other things with Ray Park seem to have taken that out of the. Yeah, right.
00:55:18
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out of the plans, but it's stuff like that and stuff like, you know, bringing in Freddie Prince Jr. to do a voice as one of the Jedi speaking to Ray and the rise of Skywalker. That's awesome. I would have loved to have seen that moment with all of those force ghosts, you know, physically manifesting there. But again, we're more issues with how the sequel trilogy was handled that I don't want to get too far into. No, that's fair. Again, it's.
00:55:46
Speaker
We can, you know, again, those are, those are fun discussions to have when you have them with people that obviously are, are able to have those discussions for sure. Right. But yeah, I a hundred percent agree. Like they are doing stuff that I think people don't recognize and don't talk about enough. Like you're saying Canaan in the rise of Skywalker, that voice, Ashley Eckstein with Ahsoka at the end of the rise of Skywalker. Like those are things that for fans like us, hardcore fans,
00:56:12
Speaker
Those are big moments man. That's huge like to have those characters that we have followed and loved to have them show up in a movie that maybe Small percent of hardcore fans would like catch and just know that we were gonna react to that You call it call it fan service call it what you want. It works, right? I mean that means that we will that people talked about at that movie, right? I mean that was one of the things that I remember talking about with my cousin and
00:56:41
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after that movie was like, man, they gave the voice of Ahsoka, they did Canaan, like, that's amazing. Who would have thought in that time that we would get those type of moments that we got?
00:56:56
Speaker
And Anakin, I mean, Hayden Christensen as Anakin. I mean, think about when Disney bought Lucasfilm, how hard they tried to distance themselves from the prequel era at the time. And even the first line of The Force Awakens, people thought was intended to be a dig at the prequels with this will begin to make things right.
00:57:20
Speaker
You know, like that going from that and canceling Clone Wars to, you know, Clone Wars revived and, you know, everything about, you know, the way that they're pushing now to embrace more of of that prequel stuff, bringing back Samuel L. Jackson and Liam Neeson to do the voices in the Rise of Skywalker. So Ewan McGregor doing the voice in The Force Awakens and Rise of Skywalker.
00:57:46
Speaker
just like doing all of that, bringing those characters back, doing the Obi-Wan prequel series, all of that, I think, embracing everything about Star Wars. That's the stuff that I wanted to just add one final shout out is, you know, I love that they're embracing the things from the past because they realize now that maybe they didn't when they bought the whole thing that
00:58:10
Speaker
Every era of Star Wars has its fans and and you can make things that make everybody happy By making lots of things targeted at different groups Yeah, well said. I mean, that's a good way to end this. That's a good that's good. Well said. Well said Ryan So before we bounce out though, you know I appreciate you very very much to having coming on having this really fun discussion about Star Wars media and everything like that and
00:58:35
Speaker
Before we bounce, let the good people know what any projects that you do or where you're at on social media if they want to follow you.
00:58:43
Speaker
Sure, yeah. I'm on Twitter at Ryan Q. Davis. The Q doesn't stand for anything. It's just Ryan Davis is a popular name. So I picked a random middle initial. And yeah, you can follow me there. I tweet a lot about basketball and baseball, because I'm a sports fan as well. But I tweet a lot of Star Wars stuff. I'm currently working on finishing my very first book. It's a fantasy sci-fi coming of age story. Don't know how I would have been.
00:59:12
Speaker
prompted to write a story like that but it's called The Forgotten World about a couple of characters living on kind of a desolate sort of Tatooine style planet and unraveling the mysteries of what happened to their planet and
00:59:28
Speaker
the forces behind some of the evil going on. So yeah, I'm working through edits on that and hopefully that'll be published early in 2022, probably self-published so you should be able to get it on like Amazon and other places where you can read online.
00:59:45
Speaker
Um, that's my big project going forward right now is the forgotten world coming out in 2022 at some point. Um, and it's, uh, uh, I'm pretty pleased with my story. It's about a 50,000 words. So fairly short, uh, regular size and regular length novel. Nice. I'm boom. I'm excited. You got me a treat bells. I'll definitely be on the lookout for that. And we'll tweet it obviously for sure when it, when it does come out. So.
01:00:09
Speaker
Again, Ryan, thank you so much for jumping on. This is a really fun discussion. I know everybody is going to really enjoy this. And if you do enjoy our show and these episodes, please go follow us on Twitter at Good Elected Pod.
01:00:23
Speaker
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01:00:40
Speaker
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