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Confidence Man Recap
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Secrets and manipulation take the spotlight as Sawyer’s backstory comes to light. This week, we discuss his conman persona, the pain beneath it, and how his actions stir chaos among the survivors. Our millennial uncle shares insights from the original fandom’s reactions, while Nick weighs in on whether Sawyer is redeemable. Plus, we dig into the love triangle dynamics and simmering rivalries.
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Introduction to 'Lost with My Uncle' Podcast
00:00:21
Speaker
Terrific You're listening to the lost with my uncle podcast I'm Aaron DS and I'll be rewatching lost Along with my nephew Nick who will be watching it for the very first time So come along with us and enjoy the journey Let's get lost let's get lost
00:00:49
Speaker
Hello, and welcome into the show. And welcome back to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. We are your 20th anniversary deep dive into every episode of Lost. As always, I'm Aaron Diaz, and joining me, as always, is my favorite co-host. And am I allowed to say my favorite nephew?
00:01:12
Speaker
um Not sure that's gonna fly at the family reunions, but anyway, we're gonna roll with that for now. So, favorite nephew, Nick, how's it going, bud? It's going great. I i mean, you definitely you definitely can call me your favorite nephew. I have no i have i definitely have no problems with that. um I figured.
00:01:30
Speaker
it It's going good. It's been a long week. um you know we we got we We still have a little bit more left in it, so yeah let's get let's power through it. um
Exploring Sawyer's Backstory in 'Confidence Man'
00:01:44
Speaker
Today, we're gonna be looking at episode eight, ah Confidence Man, which is Sawyer's backstory and who he is on the island. Yes, we are, and I am excited for this one.
00:02:01
Speaker
We'd also love to hear your thoughts and theories, listeners. So feel free to send us your comments and questions, and we'd love to feature you in an upcoming episode. You can email us at lostwithmyunclepodatgmail.com. That's lostwithmyunclepodatgmail.com. So without further ado, Nick, let's get lost. Let's do it.
00:02:28
Speaker
All right, so the episode kicks off with some island events. We have Kate walking across the beach. She comes across Sawyer's clothes laying on the beach, and there's a book on top of the clothes, Watership Down, in case anyone was interested. And Kate picks it up and starts looking at it, and here's great book. And Sawyer's out in the ocean bathing, and he begins to walk towards her and up out of the water in his birthday suit.
00:02:57
Speaker
Why, why is he so, you know, why is, why, why is he so confident about that? I mean, I get it's too confidence, man, but, but why that's so strange. That's so strange. I was, yeah he he doesn't lack confidence. No, I mean, he really doesn't. We see that a lot throughout this entire episode. Yes, we do. yeah He really is a confidence man. It's crazy. For sure.
00:03:25
Speaker
But yeah, it was weird, really, really weird. Anyway. Yeah, I think the you know this episode opens with sort of what we've expected and what we've seen from Sawyer in the past, right? Because then Kate also says, you must be a little cold without your trunks. And Sawyer says, why don't you come over here and warm me up? So typical Sawyer response. um And Kate replies, you sure know how to make a girl feel special.
00:03:51
Speaker
And then we very quickly jump into a flashback this episode, which takes us into Sawyer's past, where we see him in action as a con man. So he's seducing
Sawyer's Flirtation and Schemes
00:04:02
Speaker
a woman and seems to be playing the role of the charming, attentive lover. And this woman seems very happy with Sawyer. So at first, we don't really know what's going on here, right? Are they in a committed relationship? Is this a one night stand?
00:04:18
Speaker
But then the woman happens to see the clock and tells Sawyer that he's late for the business meeting that he told her he had at 3.30. Sawyer jumps up, starts getting ready. And as he's getting ready, he pulls down a briefcase and the latch opens causing a bunch of money to just fly out all over the room. Yeah, so what? yes That's just my initial reaction. Like, so what?
00:04:43
Speaker
i i have like I was really confused. I feel like this i feel like usually the the first flashback ah gives you a lot of insight to what's going on. This one gave us nothing. I mean like um i think the second one explains it all, but it leaves you asking so many questions.
00:05:06
Speaker
like I originally thought that he was gonna have this, i I originally thought that it was like his wife or something and that he was leaving and that's why he had all that money was so that he could like successfully leave or maybe he was leaving the country or whatever. And that's why, that's what I thought. I thought he was leaving his wife and then, you know, later we find out that that's not his wife and it is in fact a one night stand which turns into a business deal. Yeah, I was just, I was just really surprised.
00:05:36
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. it was It was a very vague opening flashback. And then back on the island Sawyer hears somebody going through his stuff and he sees that it's Boone and he says, what are you doing with my stuff, son? And then the next thing we see is we have a scene where we flip to Jack who is tending to Said's wound from the end of our last episode. And Jack is asking him about the equipment and what happened. And Jack says, listen, don't do anything. And Said interrupts and says, I will do what I need to do to find the man responsible.
00:06:12
Speaker
very cool line. And then we hear Shannon running up and saying that they need some help. And she is helping a bloody Boone walk into the caves. They asked what happened and Boone just says Sawyer. So a lot to unpack here in the first few action filled minutes. But what a start to our first Sawyer backstory. Yeah, I just want to say I really liked this episode. I don't think it's like I didn't think it was like, whoa, it's revolutionary. I didn't think it was up there with Moth, White Rabbit, and Walkabout. But I definitely put it under Moth, I think, above the pilots and above. I think I actually put it above Tabular, also. And I think I put, and then I put it over House of the Rising Sun. A few things.
00:07:01
Speaker
ah One, we kind of see a different, I mean, we saw a different side of Kate last episode. We saw, we see a different side of Said this episode. Like, that's crazy. He cranks that up. He even says that at the end of the episode, but he cranks it up. Like, he's like, he does he's pissed off at whoever knocked him out or whatever knocked him out. And I mean, reasonably so. I mean, who wouldn't be? But like, he's going to the extremes. hu I'm going to say this, and this might be kind of like an interesting take.
00:07:40
Speaker
I think Boone is in my bottom three this episode. I'm like kind of spoiling that, but I think he's in my bottom three. I have not been liking Boone recently. I liked him in the beginning, because I thought he was just trying to help. And he was trying to help here. But so much of this conflict could have been avoided if he just asked. like I get both sides. like I get Boone's trying to help his sister, in which we later find out that Shannon has asthma, and he thinks that Sawyer has the inhalers. but like I feel like I understand both sides. I i understand Billy's trying to help, but also why go through another person's stuff? You know? Right. Yeah. Like he said, like, like, I mean, Jack says like, Oh, it's not your stuff. But to be fair, it kind of is. When you're stranded on an island, and half the people die, you don't really care what's someone's stuff and what's not someone's stuff. You know?
00:08:37
Speaker
Yeah, I mean like that's that's fair. So i I haven't been a big fan of Boone ever since. I i want to say it was. I want to say it was three episodes ago. Where he was. Yeah, White Rabbit, where he was being like an absolute um jerk to Jack. About like saving that lady and all that kind of stuff. Don't like they didn't like a man don't like him now.
00:09:08
Speaker
Yeah, that's fair. Totally fair. That's my that's my thought about that segment.
Confrontations and Conflicts Emerge
00:09:15
Speaker
Yeah, very interesting segment. And that kind of leads to the next piece here where you know, Boone is talking to Jack and telling him that telling him what happened. Talking about this is where the Watership Down book comes up repeatedly throughout the episode and Boone's like, look, I had Shannon's asthma medicine inside of my suitcase because she always loses her medicine. And I also had the book Watership Down. So I saw Sawyer reading it. I know he's got to have it. Got to have all this stuff. And, you know, Jack's the other one in this episode, that aside from Said, that really, he's getting very riled up about all of this as well. And so he goes out to the beach and demands from Sawyer, where's the asthma medicine?
00:10:01
Speaker
And to your point, Jack and Sawyer spent some time arguing about property and possessions. And Sawyer makes a comment about right now, possessions, nine, tens, whatever, you know, and then he also says, you sure you want to make this your problem, doc?
00:10:16
Speaker
because Jack tell tells him to stand up. and And then Jack also says, yeah, I'm sure, which takes us to our next flashback where Sawyer is talking to the woman who we found out her name was Jess in that opening scene. And he's explaining that you weren't supposed to see the money.
00:10:33
Speaker
He tells her this story and and at this point, we're we're not really sure what's going on, like you said in the first scene. So he tells her he has an investment opportunity yeah where he can triple his money and make a million bucks in a short time, but he only has 140K out of the 300K that he needs. So he has an investor from Toronto and he's trying to meet up with him and she tells him there's another option and he's like, what are you talking about? And she says, I could talk my husband into the 160K and then we could split it evenly.
00:11:02
Speaker
So I guess this, this kind of answers our question about Sawyer from earlier, right? He's definitely not in a committed relationship, but what did you, what did you think about this whole scenario as you were watching it?
00:11:17
Speaker
I mean, I think, I think, you know, this was obviously when we found out like this was a one night stand, but it's kind of fishy. It kind of seems fishy. And not kind of, it is. Like it does seem fishy. Like really, you have $140,000 thousand dollars and you're gonna you can just triple it just like that. And why would you, if if you're doing, if you're dealing with this much money, why are you telling this random lady that you're having a one night sin? You know? Yeah.
00:11:46
Speaker
Like, it kinda, it seems fishy. Also, going back to the other part with Jack, Jack was also a little bit more um intense this episode. For sure. So was Said and Jack, both of them were. It's interesting to see that side of them, especially later when Jack is having a discussion with Kate. Yeah, for sure. So.
00:12:12
Speaker
And and here's here's what I'll say. i Before we get into all of that later, I feel like despite the fact that you know Sawyer has consistently been in our most hated segment of our show, yeah he's one of the most interesting characters on the show, bar none. Yeah, by far. yeah And I was thinking about this earlier. He's sort of the he' sort of the thread that unites all of the characters. So in this episode, you're talking about how Said and Jack were just furious. The common denominator there is Sawyer.
00:12:46
Speaker
yeah And you know even with with some of the other just characters like Kate and and others on the island, like Sawyer is always at the heart of either the conversations or the struggles, the the different dynamics that are going on. So I just find that interesting. Yeah, I agree. 100%.
00:13:07
Speaker
And then back on the island, Jack is still furious with Sawyer and Kate says she'll talk to him and and Jack doesn't want to talk, but instead says, I'll kill him. But Kate ends up going to Sawyer and asking him what he wants for the medicine. Sawyer's out chopping wood on the beach and kind of takes his sweet time before replying, a kiss ought to do it.
00:13:30
Speaker
Kate then tells him she doesn't buy his act and that he tries too hard. She says, no one is that disgusting to ask for a kiss when asked to help a woman who can't breathe. And she then tells him, I've seen you, you know, with that piece of paper you keep in your pocket and the expression on your face when you read it. So you can play games all you want, but I think there's a good human being inside there.
00:13:53
Speaker
Sawyer replies, and in I also love Sawyer's gruff voice sometimes that he comes back with his his angry voice. yeah And he replies, you think you understand me? Read it out loud. And he angrily shoves the letter into her hands. And Kate reads it. And it's a letter that a kid has written to Sawyer talking about how he killed his parents. And after she finishes reading the letter, he says, now about that kiss, I didn't think so.
00:14:23
Speaker
So really cool scene, and we finally get to know what Sawyer has been mysteriously brooding about with that piece of paper the whole time, Nick. Yes, we do. I had to wait eight episodes before I found out what was in that freaking letter. I remember I said him in the first episode that I wanted to know what that letter was, and that he was acting so emo. And it makes sense. like now that i Now that I get to see that letter, it makes sense. I just thought it was about like his like like a girl or something. I never would have thought it would have been like that. um But yeah.
00:14:54
Speaker
I mean, we see, again, Jack is more furious to saying, like, I'll kill him, Jack saying, like, that's already crazy coming from Jack, the doctor. um Also, and why is like, I think this, I think Kate asks this question again towards the end of the episode, like, to Sawyer directly, but why doesn't Sawyer tell them at the beginning, like, I don't have the inhalers? Like, why doesn't he do that? He could have saved Like he could have just avoided so much like conflict if he just said that, you know? Yeah. No, it's it's like he- I don't i didn't really understand that. It's like he's a glutton for punishment. Yeah. And then like all, I mean, he's clearly like in love with Kate. Like that's very obvious.
00:15:37
Speaker
yeah And then the paper is just like brutal. you know You had relations with my mom, you stole money from my dad, so my dad killed my mom and then killed himself. like That's crazy. like That's insane. and i And I do agree. I do like when Sawyer is a little bit more like aggressive and sort of rough. I thought that was, like it's an interesting side.
00:16:03
Speaker
And then last thing that i that I'll say, um when he says, now about that kiss, I didn't think so. There was a really, really, really long pause there in the show. Like I i mentally took note of that. I was like, wow, that's like, it was it's like, now about that kiss. And like he waits, like he waits like a good 10 seconds.
00:16:23
Speaker
right? And then he's like, Yeah, I didn't think so. And he goes back to chopping the wood and the chopping the wood is so cool. The fact that he's actually chopping the wood he like makes like the scene not much cooler. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, there's a there's a lot of if you look at it, there's quite a few long pauses in this episode. And that's the thing. Yeah, Sawyer's character is just so well written from the the angry moments to the ah sad and reflective moments.
00:16:52
Speaker
which we got a little bit of all of that in this episode. yeah And then in the next scene, we flip back to Said who is basically grilling Locke about where he was the night before. And Locke says the only alibi would be with the boar that I was skinning for the group for dinner. And Locke suggests that it was someone who is profiting from the island and mentioned Sawyer as a candidate.
00:17:18
Speaker
He then gives Said a knife and says, in case there's a next time. So very interesting, Nick, that our conversation last time about was it Locke, was it Sawyer, as the knockout candidate comes up in this episode? I have an answer for you. All right, I want to hear it. So. I still think it's Locke. Okay. For a few reasons. One,
00:17:46
Speaker
The only excuse it was the boar I was, like, the only and the only person, the only witness was the boar I was skinning. Right? There were no witnesses. Oh, someone profiting from the island? Sawyer isn't necessarily profiting from the island. John Locke is, cause he's not profiting, but John Locke is the only one who understands the island. That's true. Yeah.
00:18:08
Speaker
Two, he diverts it onto Sawyer so hard, and the idiot knows how to ah how to light like or change the timing on like a ah rocket or whatever with a cigarette. And obviously, like you know he smokes on Sawyer, smokes all the time. So really, really, really good deflection on his part, not to mention Saeed already doesn't like Sawyer.
00:18:33
Speaker
And then he bribes him with a knife to try it, not bribes him, but like tries to make him feel like safer with the knife. Like, oh yeah, I'm on your side. Here's a knife to like you know to make sure you're safe. Yep, that happened. That's exactly what i think have I think. I think Locke is an amazing character, but I definitely think he's behind it. very very That's insane. Very interesting and very intuitive you are, young Padawan.
00:19:04
Speaker
Yeah, i'm i'm taking I'm taking that to, like, um'm I'm taking, that's my theory um for for now, because I don't think there's really much theories to go on in this episode, but that's one of them. All right, cool. Yeah,
Suspicions and Manipulations Unfold
00:19:19
Speaker
it's it's interesting because, you know, if you didn't already have that theory, I feel like Locke did a fine job of selling his alibi if you weren't if you were already thinking about him as potentially being the person.
00:19:35
Speaker
Yeah, he did an amazing job. He diverted that onto Sawyer. like him If I hadn't suspected him, that would have made me believe Sawyer in a minute. like Not now, in a second. i would I would have been like, oh, it's definitely Sawyer. John Locke brought up so many good points. But since I questioned Locke, it makes so much more sense than ever that it's him. Yeah, it's interesting. So then the question becomes,
00:20:00
Speaker
And I know we'll talk about it more in upcoming episodes, but the question becomes, and just to think through audiences, what motivation would Luck have for knocking Saeed out? And then what motivation would he have for pushing it onto Sawyer? Why Sawyer? you know Maybe because Sawyer's the easy target because there's already tension between Saeed and Sawyer. Yeah.
00:20:24
Speaker
that's That's what I was gonna say is there's already so much tension between the two of them, and everyone knows that. And also, like I don't think he's necessarily prof... I mean, not yet, he is profiting from the island. What am I saying? He can walk. He can walk on the island. He wasn't able to walk before. yeah um So he's definitely profiting from the island. That makes a lot of sense. like If anybody wouldn't want to leave, it would be luck.
00:20:54
Speaker
Yeah. Interesting. so And then we jump back to Shannon, who is having a terrible time trying to breathe. And just as Jack is digging through the medicine again, Sawyer comes waltzing through the cave with a backpack to fill up his water bottles, which clearly triggers Jack who confronts Sawyer again and says, give me the inhalers.
00:21:15
Speaker
Sawyer says, I wondered when you would stop asking nice. And that just did it for Jack, who punches Sawyer in the face. Sawyer gets up and says, well, it's about time, cowboy. I've been telling you since day one we're in the wild. I didn't think you had it in you.
00:21:30
Speaker
to which Jack replies by punching him harder and talking him down. And Sawyer says, is that all you got? And Jack realizes that all of the survivors in the cave are watching what will happen next. So he just shakes his head and walks off. And man, I'm really getting those Lord of the Flies vibes on this episode. I know that, again, you're you're not familiar. You haven't read the book, but you should you should go read it real quick.
00:21:55
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, Jack just punched Sawyer. Let's just take a step back. Jack, the doctor, just punched Sawyer in the face twice. Not once, twice.
00:22:07
Speaker
That's insane. It is. And Sawyer doesn't even have the inhalers. He's lying. up I know, it's crazy. Why would you even after, okay, even after the first punch, why would you like, like, if, if I'm me and let's, or like, let's, if I'm Sawyer, sorry, and let's say I had not told him that and I do take the punch, why after the first punch are you not telling him I don't have the inhalers? Why are you waiting for a second one?
00:22:35
Speaker
And I feel like Sawyer does a lot of talking He does a lot of talking and it's a lot of like little I don't want to say quips, but kind of Like but I wondered when you would stop asking nice Well, it's about time cowboy. We're in the wild. Is that all you got? Like, you know like he's very Talkative. Oh he is. Yeah and And the interesting thing about Sawyer, like and you've seen it a little bit, you know he is a he's a reader. like He reads a lot of books, and so a lot of his one-liners and stuff, I think, come from literature. And we'll continue to see that throughout the show. He's he's usually got a book in his hand, which is kind of interesting. That's cool.
00:23:22
Speaker
And then our next flashback takes us to Sawyer dressed up real fancy. He's out to dinner with Jess and her husband. And the husband is still reluctant to enter into the deal and invest in Sawyer. But Jess is is trying her best to talk him into it.
00:23:39
Speaker
Sawyer says, you know what, let's not do this and gets up to walk away with the briefcase in his hand. And as he's walking away, he hears weight and he just stops and gets a huge grin on his face. So.
00:23:53
Speaker
Nick, I want to ask you, is this is this kind of the moment that you realized that Sawyer was a con man, or had you sort of figured that out in some of the earlier flashbacks? um i had i had like i Like I said, I had my suspicions, and it seemed kind of fishy, and it also seems like Sawyer's kind of character um to be a con man.
00:24:14
Speaker
um But I mean, he does it well, he does it really well. And also, I'd like to mention, he looked, when he did, like, when his hair was, like, slicked back and, like, actually looked like that, he looked like Brad Pitt. Yeah, I could see that. He totally looked like Brad Pitt. I don't know, I don't know if that's, like, insane for me to say. He totally looked like Brad Pitt. I don't think it's insane, no. Yeah, um, the manipulation is, like, that's really what a con man is. He did it perfectly. For sure.
00:24:45
Speaker
And then back on the island, we see a few things happening. Claire and Charlie have been getting closer to this episode and spending a lot of time together. And in this scene, they talk about the things that they miss and Charlie brings up food cravings. Claire mentions peanut butter and Charlie says, I can get you peanut butter. Claire's like, yeah, right, where are you gonna find peanut butter? And Charlie says, when I do find peanut butter,
00:25:09
Speaker
you have to make a deal with me that you will move off the beach and into the caves where it's safe. And so Claire shakes on it and agrees. And then we switch back to Shannon in the caves who is hyperventilating and not breathing at all. Jack tries to help her and lets her know that it's anxiety. He helps her breathe through her nose and then walks off.
00:25:31
Speaker
And as he's walking off, we get our first, I believe our first Star Wars reference in the series, as Hurley says, whoa, dude, that was awesome. That was like a Jedi moment. And I just love that, Nick. I love Hurley. yeah That made me love Hurley so much more. Yeah, so good.
00:25:48
Speaker
Yeah, Claire and Charlie really do get a lot closer to this episode, but I liked it. I liked the dynamic a lot. Cause it feels like, cause we've seen a lot of stuff where like Charlie's like, you know, he's kind of like flirted with Kate a little bit and flirted with Shannon a little bit, but this, like but the the relationship that he has with Claire seems really genuine. Oh, for sure. So like, I really liked that. I really, really liked that. i Yeah, very heartwarming.
00:26:17
Speaker
Yeah, and then, you know, the whole um Jack and Shannon thing, Jack is like, he's a good doctor. He really is a good doctor. He is. Absolutely.
00:26:31
Speaker
And then immediately following that we also had a funny interaction with Charlie and Hurley where Charlie is making the assumption that because Hurley is a bigger guy and hasn't slimmed down much that he must have some food. So Charlie's trying to find peanut butter Hurley has another green line here and says actually I've slimmed down a belt notch and I'm a big guy it's gonna be a while before you want to give me a piggyback ride.
00:26:53
Speaker
So that was great. I loved that whole interaction. It was nothing that we needed. Like they could have cut that entirely, but I'm so glad that they kept that in because those two are like two of my favorite characters. And I thought it was so funny and especially where um like Charlie apologizes and he goes, it's okay, dude, I get it a lot. And like a few seconds goes by and Charlie's like, but no peanut butter. And he's like,
00:27:21
Speaker
Dude, I don't have any peanut butter. Yeah. And he's like, sorry. again that was great I thought it was so funny. I love that. So good.
00:27:32
Speaker
Yeah, good stuff. Yeah. And then we we also get a little bit of Michael and son and gin in this episode. So we flipped to Michael in the caves. He's trying to clean a fish and struggling and son comes up to talk to him and tells him she thinks she can help Shannon and we'll revisit them later.
00:27:52
Speaker
But then in our next scene, things start to get a bit crazy. As Said tells Jack, they have to get the medicine from Sawyer. And he reveals to Jack that he wasn't necessarily a communications officer when he was with the Republican guard, but rather a torturer.
Saeed's Past and Moral Dilemmas
00:28:07
Speaker
So we get some interesting info about Said on this episode. And he asks Jack for 10 minutes with Sawyer and Jack reluctantly agrees.
00:28:17
Speaker
And in the next scene, we see Sawyer napping and he wakes up to Said saying, good morning and knocking him out. And then Jack and Said drag Sawyer away from the beach and Kate sees them and tries to stop them saying, if you do this, but Jack and Said have made their minds up and they have tied Sawyer to a tree. Jack tells Sawyer, it doesn't have to be this way. We gave you a chance to do the right thing. Just give us the medicine and this doesn't have to go any further.
00:28:44
Speaker
you know And Sawyer, at first, Sawyer's like, what doesn't have to go any further? And then they kind of introduce Said as torturer or indicate that that's what's going to happen. But Sawyer, in typical fashion, doesn't back down. In fact, he continues to try to antagonize Jack and Said, telling Said, you know what I think, Ali? I think you've never actually tortured anyone in your life. And Said grimly says, unfortunately for us both, you're wrong.
00:29:12
Speaker
And as Saeed begins putting sharpened bamboo under Sawyer's fingernails, Sawyer still doesn't back down and says, that's all you got, splinters? No wonder we kicked your butts in the Gulf War. Until Saeed turns up the pressure and Sawyer's screams start to fill the jungle. And while this is going on, Jack is pacing around nervously, clearly not okay with what he originally signed off on. And he finally yells to Saeed to stop.
00:29:38
Speaker
But Sawyer who just can't help himself says, no, don't stop now. I think my sinuses are clearing, which really makes Said upset. And he holds a knife to his eye and says, maybe if you lose an eye, that'll shut you up. And Sawyer says, All right, only person I'll tell is her. That's the deal. So, wow, crazy intense scene here. And the people want to hear from you, Nick, what were your thinking as you experienced this for the first time?
00:30:05
Speaker
I mean, this was a roller coaster. This was actually a roller coaster. This whole scene was a roller coaster. um
00:30:18
Speaker
I mean, I mean, where do I even start? I mean, like, look at it. Look the whole like chunk and go, like, bit by bit. We really see how intense Jack and Said are. It's crazy. I was not expecting them to do torture.
00:30:33
Speaker
I was also not expecting Sawyer to sit there and take it when he doesn't even have the inhalers. That's insane. But at that time though, did you know that in your mind? No. Or did you think that? You would know, especially because he's acting this way. Why would you take all this stuff and you didn't even have it? Why would you take it? Right.
00:31:00
Speaker
Yeah, it's crazy. It's insane. And then Kate is like trying to convince him otherwise, like, if you do this, like, you know, like, it's you're not gonna like you're not gonna like this. And that's what ends up happening.
00:31:14
Speaker
um Yeah, I mean, and Sawyer has so many lines here too. Like,
00:31:26
Speaker
I don't think you've ever tortured anybody in your life. And then he like, or you know what, my sinuses are clearing up, you know? Like yeah splinters, you know, like he just keeps going. I was sitting there and I was like, dude, just shut up. I was like, I loved it because I thought it was funny, but like you're gonna get your your tail handed to you. Like he's like yeah clearly hurts. Why are you still talking?
00:31:56
Speaker
Yeah, it like, it like his screams like, also like, were it was intense. It was very intense. It really was. Yeah. Um, I want to give a shout out to like the actor for doing like the, like, for a person of all looking like Brad Pitt. But for second of all, um, you know, like,
00:32:18
Speaker
He did a really good job there conveying that. um And I said it before in like the pilot episodes with Kate and like how she conveyed her emotion there. I haven't really talked about it much since, but I think Sawyer did a really good job with it. um Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And to think that Said was going to take out his eye, that's crazy. Yeah, crazy.
00:32:48
Speaker
Yeah, insane. um And then obviously we see he's got a thing with Kate because he will only tell her. Yeah, for sure. But yeah, what what great acting. Josh Holloway, by the way, is the actor's name. Excellent actor. I have been very surprised that he hasn't been in more stuff. um I mean, he's had a few supporting roles post lost. And then he also had a show on USA that I forget the name of might come back to me later ah it was It was a pretty good show. I actually enjoyed it. Okay But yeah, he's his acting on lost I think is just superb. Mm-hmm
00:33:33
Speaker
So then Kate comes to Sawyer and says, I'm here, where is it? And he tells her that he's happy to tell her when he gets that kiss. And she asks if he's serious and he says, baby, I am tied to a tree in the jungle of mystery. And I just got tortured by a spinal surgeon and a genuine Iraqi. Of course I'm serious. You're just not seeing the big picture here, Freckles. You're really going to let that girl suffocate because you can't bring yourself to give me one little kiss.
00:33:59
Speaker
So a couple of things here. Sawyer, you know, goes really hard and after that kiss, but also this is kind of the episode. I don't recall if he had called Kate Freckles in previous episodes because Nick he's yeah, he's got like his nickname thing where he loves to give nicknames to people. Um, but this episode he calls her Freckles multiple times. So I'm guessing that one's probably going to stick. Yeah.
00:34:27
Speaker
And so Kate finally g agrees and gives him quite a substantial kiss. It wasn't a you know, short and sweet. Yeah. And then Sawyer tells her, I don't have it. I never did. So to your point, he never had the inhalers, the asthma medication.
00:34:44
Speaker
and Kate slaps him and walks off and she tells Jack and Said that he didn't have it and Said is just getting furious saying he's lying and he doesn't want us to get off the island. That's why he attacked me. He destroyed the transceiver and Said runs back into the jungle where Sawyer has been gradually loosening his wrist cuffs and is about to escape.
00:35:05
Speaker
And as Saeed approaches with the knife that Locke gave him, Sawyer jumps up and body slams him on the ground. And as they're rolling around and around fighting, Saeed stabs him with the knife and lodges it into him, whether intentional or not. I wasn't really sure if it was yeah accidental. I couldn't tell if he had done it on purpose.
00:35:26
Speaker
But as as they remove the knife, blood spurts everywhere and Jack tells them that they hit an artery and tells Sawyer to stay still. So again, what an intense scene and yeah talking network tell network television here, right? Yeah. Sawyer still wants that freaking kiss. Like after all that, after all of that torture, after all that screaming, after all that pain, still just wants to kiss and he doesn't even have the inhalers.
00:35:56
Speaker
these He's just like manipulating. um And then he does say, I thought this was interesting, he said, you're really gonna let that girl suffocate because you can't bring me, to give me a kiss. Kind of shifting the blame on her.
00:36:12
Speaker
um Oh yeah, manipulating. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then seeing Saeed get that like intense, I thought he might, I thought he was gonna kill him. I thought Sawyer was dead. I genuinely thought Sawyer was dead. And then he stabs him like he said, intentional or not. And Sawyer is like, he's like screaming in more pain. And he's like he got stabbed for something he didn't even have.
00:36:39
Speaker
Like that's like, that sounds stupid. That sounds ridiculous. Didn't even have the inhalers. Crazy. Anyway, it is crazy. And I mean, I think, I think all of this is just supposed to tie into that whole con man theme, you know? Yeah. Sawyer spent the whole episode conning Kate into getting that kiss, essentially, even though he knew he didn't have the inhalers and he knew he was going to take backlash because of it.
00:37:08
Speaker
And then back in the caves, we circle back to Sun showing Michael some plants that she found that she thinks could help Shannon. And Jin catches her and Michael talking and confronts them in Korean. So very interesting interaction here where clearly Jin has listened to our podcast, Mick, and he thinks that Sun and Michael maybe have something going on behind his back. I mean, I called it. i I think there is going to be something with Michael and Sun.
00:37:35
Speaker
And I think Jim definitely like somehow found a way to get the Korean version of our podcast. And then he got really mad when he heard my theory, because he realized that it wasn't a theory and that I was correct. So that's exactly what happened. Love it. And then back in the jungle, we find Kate and Jack leaning over a very injured Sawyer, they're holding the blood in the ruptured artery, while they're waiting on sight to return with Jack's tools from the caves. But despite his injury, Sawyer is still full of insults. He tells them both to let go. You know you want to. Jack tells him to shut up. And then Sawyer gets in a couple of other jabs to Jack specifically by saying things like, we already made out Freckles. What else is there to live for? And then he looks at Jack who was a bit taken back by that comment.
00:38:28
Speaker
and says, just so you know, if the tables returned, I'd watch you die. Oh my God. What a crazy line. What a crazy line. Like this, like I sort of felt bad for him, but like he's kind of doing it for himself. He's got some like crazy demons. like i don't like you i don't like He's telling him to let go. I don't think he wants to live, especially after like thinking through that letter, and then obviously there's the twist with the letter, but thinking about that letter, like he probably feels awful for what he, quote unquote, did. like that Just so you know, if the tables return, I watch you die, that's an insane thing to say to someone who is saving their life.
00:39:10
Speaker
i I thought he was gonna, I also thought Jack was gonna let him bleed out there. There were multiple times in this episode where I thought Sawyer was going to die. And he's such a jerk this episode, a little bit. like Such a jerk a little bit, but making why would you say that too? I don't think he would. I don't think he would let him die. I think he's all talking that way. I think there is a good side to Sawyer.
00:39:40
Speaker
i I do think there is a good side desire. I believe that as well. I think he's think he's hurting and I think he's a lot of talk in some cases, but then he's also, he does have he does have that dark thread running through him that at any time he could do the wrong thing. Yeah.
00:39:59
Speaker
And then we go to our next flashback off Island, where we find ourselves with Sawyer and Jess and her husband, where they are finalizing the deal. They're at their house now. And the husband has given Sawyer the 160 K and cash. And he jokingly says, you aren't going to skip town, are you? And as they are all smiling and joking, a little boy comes around the corner.
00:40:23
Speaker
And Sawyer's whole complexion changes and he freezes up. And then they see the look on his face and ask him if he's okay. And he says, deals off. And then as he is trying to walk away, the husband is confronting him and is like, what are you talking about? And Sawyer just drops the briefcase with his money and leaves. Wow. I was wondering, I was like, why? I was like, I mean, does he just not want to steal from a kid? I was like, does he feel bad? And now that I know what the actual twist is, it's just like, whoa. Like, it's so heavy. It's such a heavy twist. It is.
00:41:03
Speaker
And in our next scene, I believe we get one of the coolest reveals of our short season so far. And honestly, a season that has had some really great reveals. Yeah. But as Sawyer is waking up post-surgery on the beach, Kate is there with him. She tells him she can't understand why he beat up Boone when he didn't have Shannon's medicine anyway, and that she keeps coming back around to the fact that he wants to be hated.
00:41:28
Speaker
She tells him
Revelations of Sawyer's Childhood and Identity
00:41:29
Speaker
that she reread the letter and that she looked at the date of when it was sent and that that would have made him a little boy. So we go from our initial misdirect thinking that the letter was written by a young boy whose parents were conned by Sawyer leading to their deaths. But the twist is that the letter was actually written by Sawyer himself as a child.
00:41:49
Speaker
And Sawyer confesses to Kate and shares how he essentially became the man he has been hunting for years and a con man. And Sawyer isn't even his name. And then he says to Kate, don't you feel sorry for me and yells at her to get out while gripping his letter.
00:42:06
Speaker
Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. What say you, Nick? I say that's insane. that and We're saying that that's top three twists of this entire show so far. Yep. That's what I think. I think it's a top three. I think it's a top three twist. So good. I think if I had to rank my twists, I have hate is a criminal.
00:42:34
Speaker
John Locke can walk, and I think this is my three. Yeah, so good. Also, I think I said this like a few episodes ago, or maybe I said it last episode, we have not seen any Rose as of lately. And what is she doing? She doesn't even know if she's on the beach or if she's in the caves. She's yeah, she's off the grid right now. Yeah, she's she's been MIA. Anyway, I mean, what a heavy scene.
00:43:01
Speaker
Like really, what I have you seen. Sawyer's not even his name. And he's being this phrase he's a hated person. Why does he want to be hated? I don't understand. It's so confusing. I want i really wanna know.
00:43:21
Speaker
I mean, this episode gave us a little bit a little bit of insight into how much deep-seated pain he has and and his desire for revenge or retribution, how he's been you know basically chasing this con man who ruined his parents' lives and his life, and then kind of became him. But yeah, I'm with you. It doesn't really give us the why does he want to be in pain all the time and in conflict with others. Yeah.
00:43:52
Speaker
Crazy. And then as we close out our episode, back at the cave, Sun has applied eucalyptus on Shannon, which has helped her breathing. And Jin still seems upset with Sun and kind of unimpressed as he looks over. And then on the beach, Charlie starts packing up Claire's things, and she says, you didn't. And he says, yep, I did. But one thing, it's extra smooth. And then he pulls out an empty jar with nothing in it, pretending that he is eating peanut butter.
00:44:21
Speaker
And Claire looks bewildered at first, but eventually plays along while giggling. So fun little scene there between Charlie and Claire. And then after the torture, Said is just wrecked over with guilt over what he's done and decides to leave the camp to explore the island on his own.
Saeed's Guilt and New Beginnings
00:44:39
Speaker
And he has a conversation with Kate explaining to her why he can't stay. And he kind of talks about how somebody needs to map out the island anyway.
00:44:48
Speaker
um But Said's departure is definitely significant, and his sense of honor and guilt make him one of the more complex characters on the show, I think. yeah And I think that his his journey away from the camp will have major implications, both for him and for those remaining in the camp. Yeah, I wanted to say about Charlie and Claire, they're like insane. I think the i think the i think the island's getting to them. But it was. It was it wasn' yeah it was a nice moment.
00:45:17
Speaker
And then Saeed is, I mean, I have a slight theory that he will run into something on the island similar to John Locke, or that he might like die, like he might die, like mapping out the island. um So, but I'm very excited to see, I wonder if we're gonna get, we' we're probably gonna get a Saeed focused episode soon and where it's like him exploring the island. That's my guess.
00:45:46
Speaker
oh My lips are sealed. and Okay I'm glad more to come on that though. Yeah, and Then as Said walks away down the beach Sort of walking into the sunset we end the episode with a short lost musical montage where we see some various characters first we see Charlie and Claire walking happily to the caves with her luggage and Then we see Shannon and Boone Just sitting together, ah post all of the breathing issues. Now that Shannon is up to par again. And it's interesting because it's the first time I've really seen them happy in the show as well. Yeah. And then we see Sawyer in his typical ah aloneness on the beach. And he's sitting there holding the letter with a lighter, clicking the lighter over and over again. And he's trying his hardest to set fire to the letter, but not ah able to actually do it.
00:46:41
Speaker
And while Saeed walks down the beach by himself, the blind boys of Alabama serenade us with these lyrics, when my legs no longer carry and the warm wind chills my bones, I just reach from Mother Mary and I shall not walk alone. And then we fade to black and poo.
00:47:00
Speaker
Lost. And another great episode in the books. Yeah. um The interesting thing about the lyrics, I didn't even think about that when Saeed is going and walking alone um through the island. Oh, that's such a good thing. I didn't even notice that. um Oh, it's so it's so good. There's never a there's nothing in Lost that doesn't go with something or yeah fit. Like yeah everything is so relevant. Yeah.
00:47:29
Speaker
Great episode. So what do you rank it? I rank it a, we're going 8.75.
00:47:40
Speaker
Or maybe a nine. We're going an 8.75 or a nine. Okay. So it was it was a good episode. The only thing that I don't think we mentioned, and I think is worth mentioning, is before Jack like takes Sawyer to go torture him, is he like talks to, this might have also been last episode, he's talking to Kate and he goes, we're not animals, Kate, not yet.
00:48:07
Speaker
And that, like, seeing how intense that him and Saeed got this episode kind of locks in the, like, how insane it's going to get. It's been, what, nine days at this point? They are going to go crazy, and I'm kind of excited for it. So. Yeah, good call. Yeah. Yeah, I think for me, this episode is probably, it's at least on par with the moth.
00:48:35
Speaker
I think I would probably give it about the same rating as I rated the moth, but I'm with you. I don't, I don't necessarily think it's better than the moth. And I don't think it's better than white rabbit or walkabout, but great episode and great, great character development. Again, lots of threads that run through the episode and kind of, kind of spindle off into different directions. And I think in our next episode, we're going to get, uh, one of those threads.
00:49:03
Speaker
All right, cool. So it's time for the most loved, most hated segments. And this is the segment of our show where we talk about which characters are trending up or trending down. Who are we loving and who are we hating on at the current moment? So Nick, kick us off here. All right. We're going John lock one.
00:49:22
Speaker
absolutely We're going Harley two. Okay. Obviously. Um, And I'm kind of hesitant to put Jack in three because he kind of went like he he was trending upward because of but the moth. But then like he got way crazy this episode. I didn't like it. So I think I'm going to put Charlie in my three.
00:49:50
Speaker
And I also didn't like Syed as much this episode. i I did have Syed as like an honorable mention last time, but I also don't like, I mean, like I still like him as a character, but I i like him less because of what he did. And Sawyer is no longer, Sawyer's not in my, he's not, he's just, I like Sawyer, but he's not like a top character. He's also not like a bottom character for me. He's no longer like a most hated in my mind.
00:50:18
Speaker
Okay. And then going bottom three, let's put Boone down there for now. And like, I guess he was a good brother, but I don't know. Something just made me, something about Boone just makes me mad. I can't even, I can't even like describe it. Something about Boone just makes me mad. Like, I feel like so much of the conflict in this episode could have been resolved if Boone just opened his mouth and asked.
00:50:48
Speaker
Mm-hmm. So I'm not not ah not a big not a big Boone fan. I think it's just the look on his face sometimes like he just has that like arrogant look He totally does it's not it's not even his fault jesse just looks arrogant but he looks privileged Yes, he does. He looks very privileged. as Yeah, the blue eyes paired with like the um Jim Halpert looking hair almost. Yeah. um Yeah, I think Jin is going down there too. And I think Walt is still in my body. Oh, what was even in this episode, man? Come on.
00:51:36
Speaker
Well, Walt wasn't even in the episode, but but who do I hate more than Walt right now? There's no one that I hate more than Walt right now. I don't hate Sawyer. Shannon kind of got redeemed because I felt bad for Shannon this episode. Michael, I've never hated Michael.
00:51:56
Speaker
um I think Walt is still at the bottom of my list. all right And then Kate was redeemed too. i don't I didn't hate Kate, because Kate was in my bottom three last episode. She just annoyed me last episode. I don't know why. She just got a hanger. Yeah, i think I think either Walt or Jess. And then like Jess. all right
00:52:17
Speaker
Yeah, that's fair. And it's interesting because usually as we do these, the off-island characters are usually in the most hated. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm, I'm still on board with the, I mean, the top three for me at this point, probably still are lock early and Charlie. Uh, I'm with you. The, you know, Jack has been towards my top, but it's a little harder after this episode and the intensity that came from him. Um, well, I also understand, you know, some of the decisions that were made and just feeling like they needed to get the medicine for Shannon and they weren't getting it.
00:52:55
Speaker
a And then on the most hated, I think that, yeah, I don't think Sawyer's in my most hated. I don't think I'm with you. He's, I almost want to put him in my most loved from yeah not from the perspective of him being a good person or character, but just, yeah, I love the dialogue. I love the one liners. I love the complexity. Yeah. And I love the complexity of his character and.
00:53:23
Speaker
Again, like we talked about, just the way that Josh Holloway acts, the character of Sawyer is just amazing. Yeah. But on the bottom, I'm not even really, there's not really too many characters at the bottom, I guess, this episode for me. I'm with you, Boone's kind of annoying. I guess, yeah, Kate can be out of the the penalty box for now. I don't have anything against kids, so I'm not gonna say anything about Walt. And, um,
00:53:49
Speaker
um Michael is fine right now. He's been okay. So really, Jen is Jen's the main one in the penalty box for me, Boone and Jen, probably. So we talked a little bit about, you know, predictions are not being too many theories or predictions on this episode, but anything else you want to ah Throw in here. not need to and Not anything new. I think Saeed is going to definitely run into some trouble. He's going to find something that he doesn't want to find. And I think Locke is the one that knocked him out. And I think that possibly Saeed might run into Locke when he's exploring the jungle because I do think that Locke has a very good way around the the island. Also, I mean, I guess ah a theory I will have or like ah sort of like a question is how long is it going to take Saeed to get around the island?
00:54:40
Speaker
Is he like, is it gonna be like one day? Is he gonna have enough food? Is he gonna have water? Is he gonna have to like, stay a night, like alone? Because if he does, that's kind of insane. That's kind of crazy. So. Yeah. Well, the way I, the way I took his parting speech to Kate was he wasn't planning on coming back for a while. Yeah, that's what it seemed like. But I guess we'll, we'll find out. Very good.
00:55:08
Speaker
What a fun episode and thank you audience for tuning into the Lost with My Uncle podcast. Next time, we'll be discussing episode nine, which is called Solitary. And to give those of you who are watching for the first time and Nick a little ah snippet here, Solitary is a Said centric episode. Yes.
00:55:29
Speaker
So you don't have to wait too long to, and that's what I said, this episode that we just reviewed had so many threads and Said was one of the big threads off of the Sawyer backstory as well, which will continue next week. So that'll be great. wait So be sure to watch it and join us for the discussion and don't forget to subscribe and leave a review.
00:55:51
Speaker
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