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This week, we spotlight Michael and Walt’s strained father-son bond, exploring themes of parenthood, abandonment, and connection. Our millennial uncle revisits early fan theories about Walt’s mysterious abilities, while Nick shares his first impressions and absolute love for this episode. We also discuss the show’s talent for weaving supernatural elements into deeply personal stories.
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Introduction to 'The Lost with My Uncle'
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Terrific You're listening to the lost with my uncle podcast I'm Aaron DS and I'll be rewatching lost Along with my nephew Nick who will be watching it for the very first time So come along with us and enjoy the journey Let's get lost let's get lost
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Hello, hello, and welcome back to The Lost with My Uncle, a lost rewatch and first timers podcast. We are your 20th anniversary deep dive into every episode of Lost. I'm Aaron Diaz, a proud millennial rewatching Lost, and joining me as always is my Gen Z nephew, Nick. Hey, everybody.
Michael and Walt's Complex Relationship
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Today, we are gonna be exploring episode 14, season one, titled Special. This one mainly focuses on Michael and Walt's relationship, especially how complicated it can be. And it gives us a lot of insight into their story and their turning point.
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Awesome. Well, I can't wait to hear what you thought about it, but a little housekeeping first. I mentioned the 20th anniversary of lost, which hit in September of last fall. And speaking of the 20th anniversary, Nick, I completely forgot to mention this on last week's episode, but I recently had the privilege of watching the getting lost documentary.
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That was directed by a guy named taylor morton. He was a huge fan of lost And man, I have to say listeners. What an awesome documentary about lost I laughed i'm pretty sure I teared up in a couple of spots and just really enjoyed the quality of this Really, it was an indie documentary that that raised funds. I feel like it perfectly encapsulated the lost fandom and viewing experience the way it was back in 2004 to 2010 when the show was was on air. And it hit all the right themes with the cast members and even had some really high profile Hollywood fans that they brought in to do some interviews. I will say, Nick, it's not for you, unfortunately, at this time, given where you're at on your lost party.
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Yeah, you're gonna have to wait a little bit and also any listeners of our show that are watching for the first time as the documentary itself is filled with lots of plot points and some characters that you haven't met yet. But man, it's so good and I can't wait for you to see it once you've completed your lost journey. Can't wait.
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But back to today's episode and our current podcast journey, we'd love to hear your thoughts and theories listeners. You can send us your comments and questions and we will try to feature them in an upcoming episode.
Engagement with Listeners
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Email us at lostwithmyunclepodatgmail.com and that's lostwithmyunclepodatgmail.com. As usual, we've got a lot to cover today, another fun episode, so let's get lost.
Michael's Struggle as a Father
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Let's do it.
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We open up on Island with Michael and we get another eye shot to open this episode. So where where does that turn our counter at? Is it eight now? i think i I think it's eight or nine. I think it's around that. I think it's eight or nine. we need to I should go back and do like and we should have a tracker. We should, yeah. I mean, seriously, it's been pretty consistent. I feel like we've had one for the past three episodes.
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Yeah, we'll have to have our administrative assistant go back and count that up along with the other thing that you had talked about in a previous episode was counting up who makes the most love most hated list. So we'll have to do some of those things. And do averages of that. Yeah. Yeah. and So at the beginning of this episode, after we see the eyeshot, Michael is frantically yelling, Walt! Walt!
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Charlie comes strolling towards him and basically ignores what he is saying and asks, Hey, Michael, have you seen clear stuff? And Michael's like, have you seen my boy? So they're kind of going back and forth in this little merry-go-round as they're both focused on their own thing. And as Charlie walks off, Jack and Hurley walk up and Michael asks them if they've seen Walt.
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And then as he walks off, Hurley says, he seems to hate it, doesn't he? Being a dad? And Jack says, no, it's just hard work. And Hurley replies, nah, he hates it. So Michael is definitely struggling still to connect with Wald and starting to show a bit of overprotectiveness as well.
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I actually think Jack and Hurley do an amazing job of of capturing the audience. I feel like the the audience could have two sides and michael half of I feel like half of the audience could be like, oh, he hates his kid. But the other half, again, would be like with Jack and be like, no, it's just like part of being a dad that's hard work. Yeah, that's hard work, right? I think for sure he's trying struggling to connect with Walt. And that's very apparent, as we see later in this episode.
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And especially in the flashbacks too. Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's, it's hard enough being a dad when you've been around your child their whole life. Like it's not easy. true And then for somebody like Michael, and you know, as we get into his story today, we see that he went through some hard times and some circumstances that were somewhat outside of his control. So it's definitely a different thing to establish that relationship later on in life. Yeah.
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And in our first flashback off island, we meet Susan for the first time, who is pregnant. And in a baby store with Michael, they're looking at cribs together and preparing for Walter rival. They're very excited and optimistic about their future. Michael's trying to pick out the fanciest crib for his boy. And Susan jokes, jokes with him about that a little bit. And they also talk about what they're going to name the child. And Michael wants to name him Walter after his dad.
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First of all, I wanna say how young Michael looks in that shot, in that flashback. Right. He looks so young, it's crazy. He doesn't even look like the same guy. Yeah, and Harold Parrenew, who plays Michael, even if you look at him today, because he's in a he's in a new show that's out, I haven't seen it yet, I think it's called From, maybe? It's on Prime, if I'm remembering correctly. That could be completely off on what streaming network it's on, but...
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but he doesn't, it's like he doesn't age. Cause even his current pictures like- Looks the exact same. I mean, yes, he looks older, but he still doesn't look old. You know, it's been 20 plus years since loss was on him. It's crazy. Yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, I I'm ah excited to hear about the his his dad Walter, and how he named his kid after I kind of wanted to get like, I'm glad what we got with the Michael backstory. But I am I did want to know a little bit more about his his a little bit more about his past instead of more about waltz. I feel like it was a little I feel like it was a lot more waltz centered.
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Even though it was majority Michael, I feel like it was very Walt-centric. I kind of wanted to get a little bit more about Michael. I don't know. Yeah, I hear you. And I think that what the the writers and producers did is that they've been trying to sprinkle that into the different episodes. right You know, little things here and there like that Michael was basically an architect.
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He's very artistic into the drawing side of things, and obviously that came to play in this episode again as well, but now I hear what you're saying.
Locke and Walt's Bonding Creates Tension
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And then back on Island, Locke has decided to step in and sort of take Walt under his wing. He's showing him how to throw a knife, and Walt is it just a pure natural and impressing Locke with his skill.
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Michael, however, is furious when he walks up and finds out what they're doing, which leads to a very heated confrontation with Locke. Michael accuses Locke of overstepping boundaries and Boone ends up tackling him. And then Locke breaks them up. Locke tells Michael that Walt is different, which leads Michael to say, stay away from my son and me.
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Okay, so obviously we've read, we've we've not read, we've listened and watched the episode and we know what Brian says about Walt and how he's different. So I mean, if i'm if I'm Michael here, and I know you don't really like Michael, if I'm Michael here and I hear someone else call my kid different, like after b Brian said it, I'm also getting very an angry. Like I understand his frustration.
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Sure. You know, because like, that's crazy. That's just like, you know, it's always different. I also think this quote, quote, different might be heightened in the island. Is that crazy to say? Maybe that that's the island is heightening that quote unquote ability. No, I don't think that's crazy to say at all based on what we've seen so far.
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Right. Also in how Locke just does like visualize it happening. And then it happens. I wonder if that can happen more with Walt. I'm really curious about that. And I know I've been on a lot of Walt hate recently. But listen, I'm willing to hear out ah anything that I need to hear out. I'm excited for Walt's story. And I'm not gonna be so fast to judge.
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All right. Well, I love to hear that. Yeah. And that brings us to our second flashback. This was one of those episodes where it was a lot of back and forth on Island flashbacks, especially later on. But in our second flashback, Michael and Susan are in an apartment with baby Walt and Michael is saying, you can't take him. We find out that Susan is wanting to take him away to Amsterdam for a new job offer that she got. She tells Michael that she still loves him, but that they need to take some time apart. And Susan reveals that she already took the job and that they aren't married, so who do you think the court will side with? She tells Michael it isn't goodbye forever, but Michael is visibly upset.
Susan's Plan and Its Impact on Michael
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But then as the flashback ends, we realize that he is likely agreed to it, just based out of necessity or feeling like he was cornered.
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I think now's a good time to tell you that this episode is probably, for me, possibly, for sure a top five episode, probably a top, maybe a top three. Really? Really. All right. I loved this episode. I love this episode so much. This, I mean, yeah. I think Walkabout is probably still my favorite.
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ah I'll have to go through the episodes again, but this is one of my absolute favorites for sure. right I think it is so like like the emotion between Walt and Michael is so good. And all the flashbacks, I loved it. I loved it. I loved this whole episode. I think this was the most emotional I've been watching an episode of Lost So Far. It is very emotional. I'll give you that. And it was so well done.
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yeah Also, um great time to mention, and this is kind of a spoiler for me, Susan is my least favorite character on today's episode. She's on he's on my she's on my most hated. She is my most hated on this list. I absolutely figured she would be, and I'm i'm right there with you, man. Wow. She is she is brutal.
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Actual supervillain. Who do you think the court will side with? Wow. Yeah, you're not even leaving that up to interpretation. You're just saying it flat out. That's awful. Yeah, she was terrible to him. No doubt. She was terrible. And it's crazy. It's so crazy. Because at least from my perspective, you you tell me like how much you dislike Michael.
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And like, I don't understand why, because he seems like he seems like he cares so much about Walt. Like he actually like he like even back with the crib like he wanted to just like have a nice life with Walt and wanted and I like obviously I get both sides the argument like He shouldn't make Susan stay with him because whatever like she he shouldn't be denying her this amazing job opportunity. But at the same time, like that's cruel. Stingray is stunned like he's not coming with and that's like, it's genuinely horrible.
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I don't know. i sure This episode for sure is for me as a lost fan. And in conjunction with Michael and my feelings about him, like this is the episode where if I was going to like Michael, I like him the most at this point in time. I will say that I see. So most likely he's going to do some stuff to piss me off. He may. Yeah, he may. Okay.
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I have to be careful here. I'm walking. ah I'm treading the line here. and i'm walking on egg shows I don't want to lead the listeners too far here. Okay. All right. But then I forgot to mention earlier when, uh, with the, uh, whole John Locke and Boone and Michael confrontation, I don't know why this like stuck out to me. Boone tackles him to the ground with a knife and Michael punches him in the face.
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and turns him around and like like gets on him. I was not expecting that from Michael. And also Boone just got like like, kind of like putting his place a little bit by Michael. He did, yeah. Boone was kind of on the on the rise with John Locke and Michael just like put him right back down there and was like, no, no, that's not how this hierarchy works. You're still you're still a child to me. youre You know, you stay down there. Right. I thought that was really interesting.
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And later in the episode, it happens again, because Boone tries to speak for John at one point, and Michael's like, Yeah, I'm not talking to you. Yeah, it just turns around. I'm not talking to you. I is. Oh, my goodness. That's fantastic. Especially since I'm on a on a Boone hate train right now. After, ah you know, after the Boone and Shannon episode. Yeah, for sure.
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And then back on Island, Sun is asking Michael if he's all right as he stares at a sleeping Walt in the light of the fire. Michael talks about how he missed Walt's childhood and says, this can't happen. He can't grow up in this place. And then we transitioned to Said, Shannon, Jack, and they're once again talking about Russo's map. I feel like they've been dissecting that for weeks now.
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Obviously, in island time, it hasn't been quite that long, but it feels that long. Saeed thinks he has finally identified where the radio tower might be on the map. And then Michael walks up and he says, what are we thinking about doing now? Running off to get everyone killed? We can't keep doing this. And Jack asks if he has a suggestion. And Michael says, yep, we build a raft. The others aren't convinced, but Michael says he's moving forward with the raft idea.
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I don't, um' I'm gonna say that was a miss from Michael. ah A raft is not the move. Unless unless it's like hew unless something like a boat. That's a horrible miss. You are not getting anywhere with a raft. So. Maybe it is more like a boat. Who knows? I mean, Michael is the the architect guy, so I'm sure he can come up with a pretty solid. It's true.
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And then in our next scene, we see Walt reading a comic book that is in Spanish that has a polar bear in it. And this is, you know, really tying into the conversation we had earlier about Walt being different and You know, can Walt cause things to appear? I think there's some, some good conversation here. And I remember when I watched the show the first time, yeah, yeah there there were some good theories floating around. Did Walt cause the polar bear to come after him? Cause he was reading the comic book and saying those things in
Influence of Walt's Comic Book Reading on Island Events
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Spanish. So kind of interesting to think about Michael walks up and tries to get him to come and start working on the raft with him. But Walt's a kid and he's like, nope, I'm doing stuff.
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He then says he likes the pictures in the comic books, and he and Michael bond over art a little bit. Michael's like, oh, you like the art. But then we return to more of their disjointed relationship and Michael's lack of trust as he makes Walt come with him because he, quote, has seen what happens when he doesn't keep an eye on him.
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I'm gonna be honest, I literally just now made that polar bear connection. I just thought it was another polar bear. I was not thinking about the comic at all. However, that would make a lot of sense because he does the same thing in a later flashback with the um but the birds bird. Bird, hell. So I wonder, interesting. So that might be why polar bears are on the island.
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that might be why we've seen another polar bear in the past because Walt was reading this comic before. ah could be Interesting. That's very interesting. That means that possibly that preacher is something that Walt has read about in that comic or in a comic. Interesting, yeah. Interesting. I haven't i haven't thought about that is as a possibility.
Michael's Journey to Connect with Walt
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I liked that thought a lot, actually.
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All right, well, keep that at the top of your mind for your theories. Oh, it it's at the top of my mind. All right. And then that leads us into our next flashback off island where Michael is on a pay phone talking to Susan and having some space doesn't seem to have helped them as a couple. And Michael wants to talk to Walt, but Susan is sort of deflecting. She's like, hey, we're not we're busy right now. Can you call back later? he's I forget what she said. He's 18 months old, you know, not gonna understand what you're saying, or she said something to that effect. And then we also hear a man's voice in the background, which causes Michael to be like, Who is that? What's what's going on here? And we find out that Susan has been seeing Brian Porter, who was the guy who hired her for the job in Amsterdam.
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And so naturally Michael is furious and yells that he is coming to Amsterdam and Susan's like, Michael, it's over between us. And he says, I'm not coming for you. I'm coming to get my boy back, which I loved that part. And then hanging up, Michael storms away, but forgets to look and walks out in the middle of the road and hit by an oncoming vehicle. Wow. Jaw dropped on the floor. Mine explosion.
00:19:52
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what I like, I feel like there's so many powerful moments in this, in this episode. Seriously, I the whole and I mean, I'm getting hit by the car but like the and I'm not coming for you. I'm coming for my boy. That is like Like that's crazy. And I don't understand if anyone says like, oh, Michael doesn't love his son or like whatever. He wants to, he wants to so bad. He wants to like have that connection with Walt so bad. It's like, you we see that from the first flashback and we see it in every single flashback. He just can't because he wasn't like, he wasn't able to.
00:20:34
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yeah And it's it's so ah hard, and it's like it's so like it's so deep emotionally. It's like, ugh! It really, like, just like a punch to the heart.
00:20:45
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Yeah. Yeah. And I can see that like he, he definitely wants to make that connection. He hasn't had the opportunity to be a dad. I will, I will say the thing that bothers me is, is when we get later into the story, and she basically takes him away permanently and yeah ryan adopts him. And that part to me is frustrating because I feel like as a dad, you wouldn't allow that to happen. Yeah.
00:21:12
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Again, Michael, Michael had been through a lot, but but that's just kind of you know where I'm trying to draw on reason a little bit as well. Yeah. So then back on island, we get a long island segment with lots of story jumping. Kate finds Charlie on the beach as the golden sun is setting in the sky. He asks her if she's seen Claire's diary, which he knows she used to keep in her bag. And he is under the suspicion that someone has taken it.
00:21:41
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but Really fast. Yeah. Why is he just going through? Why is he just trying to go through her diary? Is that not weird? Like I get like you miss her and stuff, but is that not like a little weird? I think he has good intentions. I think he's trying to find out about what she was dreaming about. I don't buy that. All right, that's fair. That's a fair criticism. I don't know if I buy that. Especially as we see what happens later on in the episode. Yeah.
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Meanwhile, Michael and Walt arrive at their destination, and which is a clearing full of bamboo and pieces of plain wreckage that Michael has moved. Walt asks if he's being punished, but Michael tells him they are taking control of their destiny. And then back at the beach, Cade and Charlie go to their first suspect in regards to Claire's items, which is Sawyer. Oh, my favorite.
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yeah he once again uses the line trick or treat because they're looking for him in one spot and he's in another and that's the same line he used on jack if you remember in the fuselage when he jumped out and scared him yeah and he jokes that he is automatically the prime suspect whenever an object goes missing but sure enough he does have the diary And he toys with Charlie over what Claire wrote asking, you aren't curious what she wrote about you? Then he opens it up and says, dear diary, I'm getting really freaked out by that has been pop star. I think he's stalking me. A little limey runt just won't let up. And this results into the two coming to blows and forcing Kate to break it up. Again, well, Charlie kind of held his own there.
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If I did, yeah seriously, he he was, you know, he was doing a good job against, you know, the jerk Sawyer is. But Sawyer's a big dude. Yeah. He just, I love him, him taking the punch and then going, Oh, you, you punch like a pooch. Yeah. That was, that was fun hilarious.
00:23:48
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I love that they were asking Sawyer, or do you know where this thing is? And he's like, oh, you always suspect me first. And it's funny, because he actually did have it. I feel like he always does. I mean, they always suspect him, but it's for like reason, like, like they're they're reasonable for suspecting him. Yeah, almost always has what they're looking for. But he makes it seem absurd. Exactly. He makes it seem absurd. When in reality, it is not absurd.
00:24:21
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And then we go back to Michael again a lot of jumping around here he continues to sift through the plane wreckage looking for stuff for the raft and Walt spots lock and Boone heading into the caves and he pretends to go for water so that he can escape my supervision and Then inside the caves Shannon and Boone are exchanging verbal abuse as they often do and And Shannon suggests that they helped Michael build a raft. And the scene was was pretty interesting given the yeah the recent control that Boone basically took back from Shannon, right? Like she had a very deep control over him. And then Locke worked with him in the last episode and Boone just simply says, no, thanks. And it walks off.
00:25:08
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But what about the line with Shannon and Boone about like, oh, in high school you were so focused on like your body image and stuff like that was, what would well I'm trying to think what he said exactly. Do you know what I'm talking about? I do know what you're talking about, but I can't remember. Oh, he said he wouldn't mind losing a few pounds or something to that effect. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:25:35
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That's crazy. That's an insane thing to say. To your sister too. Yeah, like for sure. Like, jeez. Like, Boone, what are we doing?
00:25:51
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Yeah, he he definitely hasn't. the The challenge with Boone is, even though he's hanging out with Locke and and Locke is working with him on some things, he hasn't become a more likable character. No. There's not a lot of character arc or growth there with him that I see. Yeah, no, I'm not a big fan of that. I'm low on Boone right now. I'm with you.
00:26:21
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Meanwhile, Locke is telling Walt that your father doesn't want to spend any time together. And Walt disagrees by saying, he's not the boss of me. Locke replies, he's your father. You need to show him respect. And I'm serious, Walt. You're not to come to me anymore. So interesting that Locke was was doing the right thing here for Michael's preferences. Yeah. I mean, that kind of just goes back to why I'm such a big John Locke fan.
00:26:51
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kind of doing like the the the better thing for Michael, even though he doesn't really want to. the and i And I mean, that's why I appreciate his character so much. um um Yeah, he's great. Yeah, he's taken the high road and several scenarios with Michael and tried to make him, I mean, he's both tried to protect Walt in certain scenarios. And he's also tried to help respect Michael's wishes. Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:22
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But Michael doesn't see that in this situation. He spots the two of them together again and confronts and shouts at John in front of everyone. And then Locke tries to talk him down a little bit by saying, I was just bringing you this pencil as a peace offering. I thought you could use it. And Michael tells him that if he catches him with Walt again, he'll kill him. Yeah, I mean, yeah. I mean, really intense. Yeah, definitely.
00:27:51
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But he was like, he was so serious. And I don't think Michael could, I'm gonna be honest, I don't think Michael could, especially if this is John Locke. But right still the threat, knowing John Locke is the kind of guy that he is, the threat was like, whoa.
00:28:08
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So. And as Locke walks away, Walt calls Michael a jerk and asks him where he was all his life and tells him, you're not my father.
00:28:19
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And so in response, Michael throws Walt's comic book into the fire and says, you want to hate me fine, but you will listen to me. Now you get over there and you stay over there now. Yeah, that's, um, yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. Taking that, I mean, like taking that big of like, of like a, like, I don't want to say stance isn't the word, but like being that demanding, I don't know.
00:28:49
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I just think that's crazy. Especially if you're trying to get your kid to like, like you, that is not the method. does not but That is not the way that you do this, you know? Yeah, it's throwing your kid's toy or comic book in the fire. That's not gonna win you grody points. Yeah, exactly. It might even just make him summon a polar bear. That is true. I mean, based on the scene we see later, you have to think about that in relation to this. Yeah.
00:29:18
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I most certainly am. And then we have another flashback to the past where we follow up to Michael getting hit by the car and he is in the hospital. and We see him with a pencil and notebook in his hand. He's drawing a picture of himself because he's currently all bandaged up with casts. But in the picture, there's also a birthday cake. And he tells the nurse that it's for his son whose second birthday is next week. And then as the nurse leaves, Susan appears out of nowhere.
00:29:49
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And unexpectedly tells Michael he should have called her to let her know that he was in the hospital. He says, you know, he's given the state of our last conversation and didn't feel like that was really worthwhile. Yeah. She apologizes.
00:30:04
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And then she takes him for a walk pushing his wheelchair down the hallway of the hospital. She tells him, I'm going to cover all of your medical costs for you. So Michael's you know immediately suspicious and Susan admits that she will be marrying Brian and that he wants to adopt Walt as his legal son.
Susan's Manipulative Tactics
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Michael refuses, but Susan questions his motives suggesting that Michael is holding on for his own stubborn principles rather than love for his son.
00:30:31
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I, that's, I hate that. I hate that. I hate that. I hate that. I hate that. I hate her for saying that. That's so rude. Then that's not even remotely near like the case. And it's, oh, it's so, and like that's, that just makes me mad. That's why I don't like Susan. It's cause she says stuff like that and it's so mean and it's so rude and I hate it. But she's one of those people that she makes it seem like it's the right thing.
00:31:00
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Yeah, she makes it seem like all this is on him and that she's the the one that's in the right. She's one of those people. And so I have to admit Nick, and I talked about it a little bit earlier, but my heart did go out for Michael in this episode. The guy has been through a lot and Susan is the worst. Susan sucks.
00:31:19
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I hate Susan. She's trying to seem like like this this good person by pushing him down the um like through the hospital. You know, just kind of like trying to make herself seem better by doing that. I don't know if that's just me thinking too much about it, but that's how I interpret it. It just seems so shallow. That's why I don't like her. She just seems like so, so shallow. Yeah.
00:31:49
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And then back on Island, Hurley comes up to Michael and he says, dude, your kid's gone. He took the dog and left. Michael says that he knows where Walt's going and immediately heads after Locke and confronts him. But Walt isn't with Locke. And Locke communicates to Michael that I told Walt this morning that he couldn't be around me anymore. I'm trying to respect your wishes.
00:32:13
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But Michael is just, and you can just kind of see the change come over him, right? After that, it goes from anger to more of humiliation and fear. And he's like, well, if he's not with you, then where is he? And so Locke gets an empathetic look on his face and he says, let's go find your boy. That's another reason why I love Locke so much.
00:32:37
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I mean, you know, such a good character. I mean, like, he's just a good character. He's just also like a good guy, you know? I also love Hurley's. um
00:32:49
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Hurley's, um, hey, ah dude, your kid's gone. Just so matter of fact about it. Hurley's method of communicating is the best.
00:33:02
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ah Hurley's just fantastic. He's just so funny. Hurley is literally one of the, fun I think he might be the funniest character on there. That um might be crazy to say. I think he's one of the funniest characters on there. I think it's, it's the combination of he and Charlie for me. Like those two are going. Yeah.
00:33:24
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Meanwhile, on the other part of the island, Charlie is thanking Kate for her help and says that while he barely knows Claire, he's still hurting inside. And then this was hilarious, Nick. As Kate walks off after numerous times of almost opening Claire's diary, Charlie removes the temptation by running away from the book. that I mean, that whole sequence was so funny.
00:33:48
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Like it was, it was, it was so stupid. He was just like, like he was fighting it so hard. Like the urge. I, I think I, I, and I sat there and I just laughed for a little bit. It was, it's such a good scene. um It makes me like, I'm not a huge, huge Charlie fan. I know you are. um I'm not as big as a fan on him, but that might be just cause I haven't gotten enough exposure. on But I loved that scene personally.
00:34:17
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Yeah. And then elsewhere, Walt is out in the jungle. He's walking Vincent's when the dog suddenly barks madly and runs away. Walt chases after him, dropping his leash in the process. But he doesn't immediately find Vincent. Instead, he hears growling noises and looks on in fear as we transition to another flashback.
00:34:40
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And in that flashback, we see Walt inside of a house hanging out with Brian and Susan and they're having a conversation. They aren't really paying much attention to him. They also start talking about how Susan isn't feeling well. Brian goes with her and he says, maybe you should sit down and rest for a minute.
00:34:58
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And while keeps saying, Brian, look, Brian, look. And when Brian doesn't look, he says, you're not looking. And then whap all of a sudden a bird flies into the window, as we discussed earlier, and dies on impact. And so Brian approaches the window stairs down, kind of out of the corner of his eye at Walt's almost accusing Lee or, you know, yeah, a little it was a little bit. Yeah, no, I got that. but I got that feel.
00:35:24
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Yeah. So what'd you think about the scene as you were experiencing it before you saw some of the later parts of the flashback or a little bit more about Walt was revealed? I, I didn't really think much of it. Um, until, you know, we get that whole bit with like, Oh, well, it's different. He's weird. Then I kind of made the connection like, Oh,
00:35:49
Speaker
I see, you know, like, this is what we're talking about with, you know, Walt being weird. go So i I know something I do want to say is that I also hate Brian. Yeah. And I think he's horrible and stupid. It was such a like, like a bad episode for side characters.
00:36:13
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I hated them all. And usually I don't like them. Like I have a history of not liking the side characters and putting them in my bottom three, but I feel like this a little bit more than than others. I just, I hated him with a passion. Yeah, for sure. He wasn't even like, especially in one of the than the next flashbacks, like he didn't even want to be a father. And like he still took that away from from Michael. ah Exactly. that's That's how I see it.
00:36:45
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Oh, yeah. And that sort of leads us into our our next sequence of flashbacks, just to kind of avoid jumping around. that These were very quick of flashes between the island and flashbacks. so We'll kind of group some of these together here. Yeah, in America, Brian shows up at Michael's door. And he informs Michael that Susan died the day before that she had had a blood disorder and begin to feel symptoms about a week before her death.
00:37:15
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And Michael asks where Walt is and is shocked to hear that Brian has left him with the nanny after the death of his mother. And Brian tells Michael that before her death, Susan said she wanted Michael to have custody. We as the viewers, though, come to realize pretty quickly that Brian does not care about Walt's and only has paternal rights because of Susan.
00:37:37
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And he literally offers Michael plane tickets to and from Sydney, inviting him to come and take Walt. And Michael is absolutely livid that Brian would willingly abandon Walt, but is also confused. And and like you said earlier, when Brian says the boy is different and things happen when he is around. That's, ah that's why I hate Brian. I just, I despise the guy. Like seriously.
00:38:04
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Like really, that's that's what you, you came here to tell me that you're leaving the kid because you don't wanna like actually take care of him. after you After you said that you would adopt him, by the way, I i i can't, that makes like that makes me so mad. I know.
00:38:29
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And then in our last flashback, in back in Sydney, the nanny lets Michael in and gives him some of Susan's effects. She also produces a box. As she excuses herself, Michael walks down the hallway opening the box. Inside he finds all of the cards and letters he had ever sent to Walt, which had all been intercepted by Susan. Michael hears the nanny tell Walt that someone is here to see him. And he follows the voices down the hall where he essentially meets Walt again or you know, basically for the first time, as Walt can remember. And he tells him that he's his father and he says, look, man, I'm, I'm really, really sorry about your mom and and her loss. And, you know, we loved each other very much when we had you. And Walt's like, where's Brian?
00:39:22
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Michael says that he's going to take Walt home because he's his guardian. And he's he's essentially forced to kind of lie to him. But Walt's like, I'm not going anywhere with you. Yeah. And so we kind of see how the basis of their relationship post crash had started. And, you know, Michael's able to kind of coax him into it. And he says,
00:39:48
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You know, Brian's not going to be out of your life completely, even though that, again, was a lie. yeah And he says, and you'll still have your dog. um And Walt's like, well, that's Brian's dog. And Michael's like, yeah, but Brian said you could have him. So I thought that was pretty cool. like Michael's like, all right, Brian, you're a terrible human. So we're taking your dog. taking your dog
00:40:12
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I didn't, I was actually really surprised to hear that. I mean, this whole sequence was so like, i this was this was the like the the the kicker for me. This was like the bring it home kind of kind of feel. This, I mean, it was so so well done. ah So, so well done. It like actually like almost brought me tears this this episode. ah So good. Yeah, it is really good.
Michael and Locke Save Walt from Polar Bear
00:40:43
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And then back on island for remaining events for this episode, Locke and Michael find the leash and they hear Walt screaming in the distance. They find him trapped between tree stumps behind some vines, you know, very similar looking or could even be the same place where Jack and Kate and others have hidden from our monster before. It is true.
00:41:04
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And a polar bear thrashes against the confined safe space, trying to get to Walt. With Locke's guidance, he and Michael climb up a nearby tree and maneuver themselves ah above Walt's location to help Walt. Michael gives him Locke's knife and then tying Walt to a vine. Locke pulls him to safety while Michael single-handedly fends off the bear. And then Michael and Walt ah embrace emotionally. And Walt says, what about Vincent? He ran off again.
00:41:33
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And Locke replies, he found his way back to you once, Walt. He will again. And then Michael and Locke nod at each other. Michael silently portraying his thanks to Locke. So that was pretty cool seeing there also between Locke and Michael, I thought. I thought it was an amazing scene. I also thought the fact that he was yelling, like ah he previously he said, like, you're not my real dad.
00:41:57
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right? And that was like really heavy. um And then that goes to him like screaming like when he's being attacked by the polar bear. He's screaming just like the only thing he's screaming is like, dad, dad, dad, you know, and it's kind of like, it's kind of like, dang. You know, yeah like, yeah it's heavy. It's so heavy. I don't know. and That brought me that whole thing. Like that whole episode brought me a lot of joy. Especially that part.
00:42:28
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You didn't really think the wall was going to get eaten by the polar bear though, did you? I thought it was a slight possibility. And I was like, no, they wouldn't. They wouldn't do that. I mean, they can't kill a kid off. That would. Yeah, no, they cannot do that. That wouldn't be a good way to start with the main character. This is true.
00:42:51
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And then as night falls back with the rest of our survivors, Michael says, Hey, I've got a present for you since you like to look at pictures. And he hands Walt the box of letters and drawings that he got back in Australia. And Walt asks why his mother never gave them to him. And Michael points out, well, she never got rid of them either. You know, trying to take the high road and defend his mother.
00:43:17
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Yeah, cut Susan some slack. And then the two of them look at the cards and laugh together at some of the cheesy jokes inside them. um They had the sunburned penguin, one that Michael had drawn, and Walt's like, that's dumb. And Michael's like, yeah, you're right. And then they kind of joke together. So it was a very touching finish to their strenuous experience during this episode. Oh.
00:43:43
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It was such a good episode. It was such a good episode. It was so heartfelt. It was so, like, emotional. Like, it really was so emotional. Yeah. I did not expect you to like the episode as much as you were loving it.
00:43:56
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I, yeah, no, i I wasn't really either going into it. I was not at all expecting myself to like, I mean, like I, you know, I was like, Oh, i'm I might like it, but I wasn't expecting it to like it to the extent that I did. And I'm glad that I liked it as much as I did. I thought it was great. I loved it a lot. I fully expect here in a few minutes during our most loved most hated segment for there to be some changes this week. Hmm.
00:44:24
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So no no spoilers right now, but I'm just telling you my expectations. Okay. All right. And then in closing, as we close down this episode, Charlie has finally broken down and is fully reading Claire's diary in which she writes how much she likes him.
Clues from Claire's Diary about the Black Rock
00:44:43
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But he then notices something that sticks out to him, and he tells Jack and Said, and after they're like, you're reading someone else's diary, he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that's crappy, but look at this. And he so he tells them about a dream about the Black Rock, and Said recalls that Danielle Rousseau had said something about the Black Rock, and Charlie believes that this is perhaps where Claire was taken. So we've heard a lot about the Black Rock, Nick, what what are your thoughts on what that might be?
00:45:13
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Um, I kind of agree with the theory that like, that is where the radio tower is. That's where Claire was. Because obviously she isn't anymore. That I mean, that's the only way that's the only theory I have. And that might be where Ethan and the others are camping out. Ethan, who is Alex, right? Yes, Ethan, who is Alex? Yeah, that could be.
00:45:43
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Meanwhile, out in the jungle, Locke is with Boone and trying to use his homemade dog whistle to find Vincent, and they hear a noise and stirring in the trees. Instead of Vincent, however, a human figure starts to emerge from the jungle, and Claire reveals herself, and then we fade to black, lost, and another great episode in the books, Nick. And how about the sudden reappearance of Claire?
00:46:10
Speaker
So many questions and not enough answers. I have to wait so long before I can watch this episode. Well, how long do you have to wait? I think, I think right after we record this podcast, it's a fair game. This is true. But then I do like to wait sometimes until right before we watch, right before. I know, because then it's fresh in your mind. Then it's fresh.
00:46:36
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Yeah, I don't know if weve we've fully explained this to the audience before, but I just want to give some kudos to Nick because he is watching these one episode at a time, which is incredibly difficult, right? Like, again, I kind of talked him into doing it that way because that's how we did it back in the old days when Lost was on their own. So hard not to binge. It is so hard, but I think it builds character to have that little weight in episodes. True.
00:47:06
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but But it's it's great, like i'm I am absolutely proud of you. I think we were talking about this offline the other day that you know I was impressed that you haven't read anything online, you haven't- No. So names or still shots, like the episodes on IMDB or or anything. So yeah I appreciate your dedication to the task here. I will say, for Claire, she did not look pregnant walking through the jungle.
00:47:38
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to John Locke in Boom. And also, she looks like she was covered in something like mud or something. I don't know. Yeah, I did notice that you think that was maybe just camera angles as far as the pregnancy or like oversight on the I think she would have had the baby. I can't imagine she's gone for a week and doesn't have the baby. Yeah, it's possible.
00:48:07
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I think she's had that baby. I also don't think she's moving through the jungle pregnant.
00:48:14
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Yeah, that would be tough. Especially since we thought she was having the baby with Charlie. And why is she back? How did she get away from Ethan? Exactly. What does she know? Yeah, hopefully we'll find some of that out in the next episode.
Most Loved and Hated Characters Discussion
00:48:33
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00:48:36
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All right, well, it's time for our Most Loved, Most Hated segment, which is your favorite segment of our show where we talk about which characters are trending up or trending down. Who do we love and who are we hating on at the current moment? So as always, I'll kick it over to you. Most Hated in order for Most Hated to Least Hated, Susan, b Brian, Boone. Boone is my three there. Might be a little controversial. Not at all. Boone is my, Boone is my three. I thought he was really annoying.
00:49:07
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yeah Most Loved, Hurley, John Locke, a little closer to this episode. I liked John Locke this episode. I guess I'll put Charlie three. I don't really have a strong three right now. Honorable mention is Michael. I really liked Michael this episode. And I like that we did get a little bit of sun action, at least with like, you know, like keeping up with sun and Michael's relationship, which I think is gonna turn more romantical later.
00:49:38
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Yeah, they're this was one of those episodes where they're the characters were, you know, it was pretty focused in on some primary characters. And you had a scene here, there, that filtered in characters like Son, Kate, was was in some with Charlie. Yeah, Said, Jack, Shannon, occasionally, early. But it was a very, it was a very Michael and John Locke and Walt episode. Mm-hmm, exactly.
00:50:08
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There were a lower hints of Charlie. Yeah, Charlie had some pretty good screen time. For most hated, i'm I'm completely on board with the three that you have. I don't think that there'd be anybody else I would want to put in there for this episode. yeah For most loved, yeah, Hurley's still in most loved. I'm going to keep Locke up there. Third is tough. I don't know if I want to put Charlie in there just because he did read the diary. hey Yeah.
00:50:35
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I do think he had good intentions originally. like ah Obviously, was he trying to read stuff about himself? Probably. Yes. But I do think he was trying to genuinely solve the puzzle of you know what was going on with Claire. Is there anything in there that could point him in the right direction on that?
00:50:55
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Maybe he wasn't, but I guess that's the the approach I'm taking. But as far as my third, I'm just gonna say it's a four-way tie. I don't know if that's legal. I mean, I guess if I can make it legal. you can Yeah, you can make it legal. I'll let it pass. I'll let it pass. All right. since Since most of the other characters were pretty secondary this episode. Oh, no, actually, no, I'm not gonna do that. I wasn't gonna do a four-way tie between Charlie, Jack, Kate, and Son.
00:51:23
Speaker
I thought they were all fine. This episode served served a pretty decent purpose. Uh huh. But I'm actually gonna I'm actually gonna put Walt as my third most love for this episode. Oh, come on. Yeah, I'm doing it. Oh, I mean, I don't know how you could watch build like this Nick and and not have Walt shoot up your ladder like you talk you talk to all this Mike and shoot up my ladder. He did.
00:51:48
Speaker
Yeah, but you talked all this Michael love and you know, Walt was the great character of this episode. So I don't know what's going on right now. I don't know about that. All right. Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Yeah. All right. Well, it's time for theories and predictions. The portion of our show where Nick talks us through the mysteries of the island that we're going through in our episodes currently and also other mysteries theories we've talked about over the course of the episodes. So where are we at? Give us a primer on any mysteries or theories that have been answered recently and then, you know, run us through a summary of the other things on your mind. Uh, I don't think anything's been answered as far as I am. I am i'm aware of, but except like we know Claire is alive. I guess that's an answer to something. Yeah.
00:52:46
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Walt's theories, Walt's mystical, I do think that Walt has created the monster in in a way. He's created it, okay. Yeah, i think I think he imagined it or if he found it from his comic book and that therefore it made, you know, this monster be real. Just how he created the polar bears.
00:53:06
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All right. That's my theory. That is a bold prediction, my friend. It is a very bold prediction. I think Claire is not pregnant anymore. She has a baby. Okay. I don't know where the baby's at. If she does have the baby, she has a baby. If she doesn't have the baby, I think that the organ of the other's kidnapped it. Because I remember Ethan was very obsessed with the baby. Because remember, he tried to put a needle in in Claire's stomach.
00:53:35
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I really got awesome.
00:53:39
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Well, I think that's, I think that's all we really have. I also want our administrative assistant to go through and compile all of your theories so far. Yeah. one So we can have a and running counter of, of what, you know, which ones you've completely knocked home and things like that. Yeah.
00:54:02
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Thank you listeners for tuning in to another episode of the Lost with Michael podcast. Next time we'll be discussing episode 15, which is titled Homecoming. Any guests, Nick, as to which character this episode will center around? What if we not had an episode and we haven't had a Hurley episode yet, but I feel like I have no idea. Wait, hold on. Yeah, we haven't had Hurley yet. I don't think they'll be Hurley.
00:54:29
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I think the key is the titles tie in so heavily to which person they're involved. Yeah. So who does Homecoming hit you? Is there any threads that you can pick up? I see, so this was not a Michael episode. This was a Walt episode. It was. Walt was special. Yep. Interesting. Interesting. Okay, I didn't even think of that.
00:54:56
Speaker
Okay. um Homecoming. I'm thinking it could be a Shannon episode, because I feel like the other one was a Boone episode. So I'm guessing it could be a Shannon episode is, I think my prediction is where I want to go with that. Final answer? Final answer, Shannon.
00:55:20
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It is not Shannon, but it is a blonde. Well, actually, no, it is not a blonde female. It is a blonde male character named Charlie. Wow. Charlie has another one. Yeah. And which is good timing, right? Because Charlie episodes generally include content about Claire. And so hopefully we'll try to get some answers on this episode. Yeah.
00:55:46
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So be sure to watch it, join us for the discussion and don't forget to subscribe, follow and leave a review. We will see you next time. Yes, we will.
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