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Whatever the Case May Be Recap
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Sawyer and Kate’s uneasy alliance is tested as they unearth a mysterious briefcase. This week, we explore Kate’s complicated backstory, the growing trust issues within the group, and the evolving dynamics among the survivors. Our uncle reflects on how these revelations deepened the characters, while Nick questions the significance of Kate’s secrets and behavior. What’s in the case, and what does it mean?
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Introduction to 'The Lost with My Uncle' Podcast
00:00:21
Speaker
Terrific You're listening to the lost with my uncle podcast I'm Aaron DS and I'll be rewatching lost Along with my nephew Nick who will be watching it for the very first time So come along with us and enjoy the journey Let's get lost let's get lost
00:00:49
Speaker
Hello and welcome back to The Lost with My Uncle, a lost rewatch and first timers podcast. I'm one of your hosts, Aaron D.S., and this is your 20th anniversary deep dive into every episode of Lost.
00:01:05
Speaker
And I'm Nick.
Kate's Past and the Mysterious Case
00:01:06
Speaker
Today we're going to be doing episode 12 of season one titled, whatever the case may be. This episode focuses a lot on Kate's past and why she is a quote, quote criminal. And also we find out the case that the, um, Marshall had had and why it is so valuable.
00:01:27
Speaker
Awesome, well, I can't wait to get into it. I know that you've had a lot of questions burning on your mind about Kate and her mysterious past, so I think we're gonna get some answers here today. yeah And as always, we would love to hear your thoughts and theories, listeners. Feel free to send us any comments, theories, questions that you have, and and we'll try to feature them in an upcoming episode. You can email us at lostwithmyunclepod at gmail dot.com.
00:01:55
Speaker
Again, that's lostwithmyunclepodatgmail.com. So without further ado, let's get lost. Let's do it.
Discovery at the Waterfall
00:02:05
Speaker
The episode opens with a bit of a more peaceful moment. So we've got some peaceful music playing. Kate is in a tree picking some apples out deeper into the jungle. Apparently they have, you know, started to get a little bare with the trees that are closer to our survivors. And as they've been surviving on fruit and fish and some boar here and there over the last few weeks. And so she gets down and starts to walk off and hears the sound like someone has stepped on a branch somewhere behind her.
00:02:36
Speaker
So the music gets really eerie and then she hears it again and she picks up a rock and throws it into the woods to find out it was Sawyer. The rock hits him in the knee and they joke around a little bit. Sawyer tells her she shouldn't be out there alone after what happened to insert somebody's name here because Sawyer doesn't actually get to finish his sentence as Kate shushes him.
00:03:00
Speaker
and she tells him to listen and they walk through a branch into a clearing and stumble upon a waterfall. They then decide to take a swim, get pretty flirty with each other, but things quickly take a darker turn when they discover two bodies from the plane crash submerged underwater. who So this might have been, i had there there were two I think jaw dropping moments for me in the show. Maybe three maybe there's one I'm forgetting. But um this was one of them. I was cutting because like it went from such a like a like a happy like la la la la la to like a, you know, boom. And I was wondering like, watching this this opening scene and I was like,
00:03:42
Speaker
Is this lost? I was like, this seems too happy to be lost. This doesn't doesn't sound right. Doesn't look right. And they were very flirtatious, too. I thought that um there was going to be something like a little bit more with the Sawyer and Kate dynamic, but I guess not. And it it sets the um it sets the scene for the rest of the episode and how it's so there's so many questions. I feel like this episode, for me,
00:04:11
Speaker
I didn't love it too much, because I don't think it answered a lot of the big questions.
The Battle for the Locked Case
00:04:17
Speaker
It was kind of like very specific to Kate's story. And the results that I got from it, I didn't love. Yeah, I could see that for sure. So then they, they end up diving back down to see what they can find under the water. Sawyer finds a wallet, and then they also find a locked metal case among the wreckage, which immediately piques Kate's interest.
00:04:41
Speaker
She tells Sawyer that it's hers, but as she is trying to get it open, Sawyer says, that case ain't yours, is it? She says no. And then he says, well, you wouldn't mind if I just take it. And is there something you want to tell me about this little suitcase freckles? She thinks about it for a minute, and then says, take it, and walks off. ah Why? that was That was, in my opinion, the dumbest thing ever. If you wanted it, just say you wanted it.
00:05:06
Speaker
Yeah, why the game? Just say, why? Because then it became this whole thing. Like at the beginning, if you were just like, no, I wanted it, you know, like, or whatever. Like, why? Why do this, you know? Yeah, I agree.
Island Mysteries and Alliances
00:05:23
Speaker
And then back on the beach, the tide has risen at an accelerated speed and the survivor's luggage is starting to get swept out to sea. Sawyer and Jack talk about how it isn't normal, but there there isn't much normal about this island. Jack then asks Saeed to take him back to Russo since she said there are others on the island and that Saeed heard something. Saeed downplays and then Jack asks him, what about the map?
00:05:51
Speaker
And then shifting gears over to Boone and Shannon, they have a conversation. And we find out that he and Locke have been going out into the jungle and staying out there late at night, about four days.
00:06:04
Speaker
And she asks what they are doing, and if Locke is, quote, his new boyfriend, Boone says, we're looking for Claire. I'm trying to contribute. At least I'm doing something. And you, you're just useless. That's another thing I was really mad at in this episode was, well, I mean, not the whole should call. I mean, I should say that about the whole calling standing useless, but that's not what I'm referring to.
00:06:26
Speaker
they totally like this whole ending of the episode two episodes ago, because this is why episode 12. So the ending of episode of episode 11 was they found this thing. And we got no questions answered about it. I was so mad. I was that was one of the main things I was looking forward to in this episode. And I was like, Okay, come on. I was like, What are we doing?
00:06:51
Speaker
I was like right you that that's like, that's the way I see it. is I was so mad at that. But then and I did like the Said and Shannon side plot bit. I loved that. I thought that was really good. and I thought that was cool. Yeah, I'm with you though. The episode felt like a bit of a sidestep from the the main intriguing
Saeed and Shannon: A New Dynamic?
00:07:11
Speaker
storyline that we've gotten into the last few weeks. Yeah.
00:07:17
Speaker
And then we transition to tonight and we get a revisit of one of my favorite lost orchestral pieces while Kate is sitting on the beach and and looking on as Sawyer walks to his tent carrying the case. And this musical score in this scene, Nick, is a variation that we've heard before.
00:07:36
Speaker
And we will hear it again quite a bit throughout the show. We first heard it after, I don't know if you remember, the five minutes of post-crash chaos while the survivors were trying to pick up the pieces. I know that you had commented on that during the pilot episode. Yeah. I didn't particularly notice that, actually.
00:07:55
Speaker
I'll have to go back and listen to it because there were moments I thought towards the end, the orchestra was really, really good. That's when I heard it. I didn't hear it here, but I did towards the end in a few scenes that I was like, Oh, that's good. This I think that's one of the most underrated parts of this show, in my opinion, is the soundtrack and they did such a great job with it.
Kate's Criminal Past Revealed
00:08:16
Speaker
Yeah, totally.
00:08:19
Speaker
And then that scene takes us into our first flashback off island where we once again visit Kate's life prior to the island. And the first flashback takes us to a bank where Kate, under the alias Mrs. Ryan, is applying for a loan to a bank manager named Hutton.
00:08:39
Speaker
A group of masked robbers breaks into a bank and hold her and everyone else in the bank captive threatening to kill them if access to the money cage is not granted. This is what confused me so much. This is why I was like, how is she a criminal if if she's just a normal person? She did a really good job of pretending she was a normal person. of I really did think that she was just your average Joe. And then what i don't I don't know if it's the next flashback or if it's um a few flashbacks later. But like, oh my god, that was like, boom. Yeah. Yeah, I think it is the next flashback scene. Yep. Yeah. There's also I, this is just kind of a note, it's not really anything crazy. But I thought it took so long to get to this first flashback. It felt like a really long time before it was solidified as a Kate episode. That was my mental note is I feel like it was like almost 10 minutes before we got the first flashback, which usually isn't the case.
00:09:38
Speaker
usually it's either really like really early on or like even starts with the flashback so I was just curious also was the I can't believe I didn't mention this earlier the tree that Kate was climbing was that not the tree and maybe everything just looks similar but that kind of looked like the tree that Charlie was hanging from in the last episode yeah I mean it's very likely that they filmed with the same tree or trees on some of these scenes, or it is also likely that, you know, in a jungle like that, there's multiple large looking trees that have that same look to them.
00:10:19
Speaker
I think that if the writers specifically chose that tree, that would have been a poor decision on their part, given the emotional weight of it. You know, I can't see Kate climbing that same tree where Charlie was hanging from, right? I think it's probably more coincidental with some of the filming and whatnot. It kind of that's what I just thought is I thought it kind of looked like it. Yeah.
00:10:42
Speaker
And then back on the island, Kate approaches Sawyer in his tent while he is sleeping in a desperate attempt to get to the case. Just as she grabs it, Sawyer opens his eyes and grabs her holding her on top of him. He makes some crude jokes about her being the one on top and she kicks him. He doesn't let go of the case though. And he says, you want to try for it again? Kate says, give it to me. And Sawyer's like, nope. And she gets upset and walks out.
00:11:13
Speaker
I mean, I kind of got handed to Sawyer there. I mean, that was kind of smart, putting the briefcase between his legs so that no one could take it. I thought that was smart. Yeah. And then um and also to Kate, like, dang, she knows how to like bite. Like she was kind of like beating the crap out of him. Yeah, she's scrappy for sure. Yeah, for sure. I think that makes Kate one of the most underrated people in the show.
00:11:45
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. Like on the survival side of things, she's definitely one of the stronger characters and full of surprises when it comes to that side of things. Yeah. I agree. And then in the next scene, Said happens to walk past Shannon while she is sunbathing. He suggests that they are much closer to the equator than what she is likely used to.
00:12:08
Speaker
And then he asks if she can help him interpret the French language on Rousseau's map. So we're going to have some more conversations around Said and Shannon later in the episode, um as you alluded to. And then we pan back to the beach where Sawyer is trying to get the case open. And he's really frustrated because he's not able to pick the lock. Michael and Walt walk by and Michael tells him that if he can pick the lock on a Halliburton,
00:12:36
Speaker
that Michael will put them on his back and fly them off the island. And Sawyer says, you better find yourself a runway daddy because there ain't no lock I can't pick. Hurley walks up and asks what they're doing or trying to do and and Michael tells him and Hurley just starts laughing hysterically and says, good luck. Then Michael tells him he'll need impact velocity like a sledgehammer or an axe to get it open.
00:13:00
Speaker
I also want to call out Nick that I think this episode is the very first episode that we hear Sawyer's most famous catchphrase in probably all of lost. And that's where he constantly is saying son of a. And we heard it, you know, in the opening scene with Kate, when he got hit by the rock, and then we heard it here again. And and this is definitely one of those phrases you'll hear a lot throughout lost. Yeah.
00:13:25
Speaker
I thought that the, I think I already said this, but I think the dynamic between Shannon and Said this episode was really good, ah especially since we haven't seen a lot of Shannon, and we've seen a lot of Said. It was a nice dynamic to have them play around. And also the fact that they were, it was, I feel like at no point did I think that they were going to get in any sort of relationship, it felt completely platonic slash like,
00:13:51
Speaker
like formal. And I feel like that hasn't necessarily been the case with all the men and women, like Michael and in son, um Kate and Jack, Kate and Sawyer, Charlie and Claire, all of that feels like so romantic. I think this was one of the first times that it doesn't feel as like forced. Yeah, interesting.
00:14:15
Speaker
Yeah, and then I love that the only the only line that Hurley has in this episode is him laughing at the fact that Sawyer is not gonna be able to get the case open. And he's like, Oh, yeah, he's gonna he's Albert in the case. I have no idea what that is. But I love that Hurley instantly knows what that is and just knows to laugh at it. Right? Yeah, that was priceless. I loved that as well. But to your point about Said and Shannon, I find that I find that take interesting. And I have some I have some comments i'll I'll make
Boone and Locke's Secretive Endeavors
00:14:46
Speaker
later on their interactions that interesting that i think I think a little differently on on some of that, but maybe that's just the way that I interpret Said's character. And then still on island in the next scene, we see Boon coming back through the trees to Locke who says, you got it. And Locke asks if anyone saw him take it and then says, let's get to work.
00:15:12
Speaker
Yeah, but Locke was very strict on like, because Boom was like, I think so. And he was like, do you think so? Or is it no? He was very strict on that. So I wonder why they need the axe so bad. Like that's like, what are they doing? Like, are they trying to get in and they're not in yet and they're trying to use the axe? I don't know. Yeah, I would gather that's what it was for. Like they they have no idea how to get into that structure. Yeah, interesting.
00:15:42
Speaker
And then back on the beach, Nick, Rose finally makes another appearance and has a fun little scene. Yeah, I know you'd be excited about that. I'm so excited. I have missed Rose. It's been almost, it's been what, eight episodes? Yeah, it's been eight episodes. Yeah, at least. is Yeah, I think so, because it was from episode four and this was episode 12. That's crazy. I loved her character too, in this episode and in eight episodes ago.
00:16:11
Speaker
Love that character. This episode was great. I loved this scene with Charlie. you know Obviously, he's still very visibly impacted by Claire's kidnapping and is just kind of sulking around, which is to be expected. Yeah. And rose Rose tells him, though, that she has sob stories and he isn't the only one who's missing someone. So why don't you grab the other end of this thing and help me? Yeah, that was that was really funny. That was 100% funny.
00:16:38
Speaker
Yeah, I loved it. I wouldn't expect her to be a comical type in this show, but she 100% was. Oh, for sure. Yeah, she's great. And then we see Sawyer out in the jungle, once again messing with the Halliburton case, and he's trying to throw it down on the ground repeatedly, but it still won't open. And so he looks up at some vines that lead to a much higher spot, and he gets the clever idea to try to drop it from the top.
00:17:06
Speaker
He tosses it down probably 20 feet or more and and nothing happens. But what he didn't account for was that Kate was waiting to jump out of the trees and take it from him. That was one of the most clever things that I have seen anyone do on this entire ship. Yeah, it was just kind of like waiting. Yeah, like that was I yeah, I loved that. That specifically I don't know why but I did. Yeah, for sure.
00:17:32
Speaker
And then Sawyer yells down at her and she grins up and runs off. And so we see Sawyer chasing her through the jungle. And even though Kate had quite the head start, Sawyer's got some pretty long legs and he catches up with her. And they once again end up on the ground with Sawyer pinning her down this time. She head butts him, but he still wrestles the case away from her. And he offers her the chance to have it if she'll just tell him why it's important to her. And she once again walks away.
00:17:59
Speaker
So I have to say, Nick, in rewatching this episode, this episode makes me a little uncomfortable with some of the dynamics here between Sawyer and Kate and the way that Sawyer, and and maybe i'm you know as as a dad who has a daughter, maybe I'm reading a little bit too much into it, but I feel like Sawyer sort of uses his physical stature as a man and and just being a man in general, I think he kind of He holds that over Kate in this episode and you I don't know, it didn't sit well with me on the rewatch. I don't i don't think it's necessarily aged very well from when it was recorded 20 years ago.
00:18:38
Speaker
No, I think the writers probably did that intentionally to keep Sawyer in that like, because because that's what I think about Sawyer. I think he's got some like redeeming qualities where he was like but he was like, if you just tell me what's in the case, like I'll let you have it. like It's not Sawyer's intention. He doesn't even care about the case. you know He just wants to know what's in it.
00:18:59
Speaker
You know, he's like, if you just tell me what's in it, I'll give it to you. Right. And then but like, it's like a flip flop because then you see this other side and the flip flop in and Sawyer kind of is like this really horrible person. He becomes this person that you don't like, but then he's got those funny one liners.
00:19:17
Speaker
And it's kind of like a ah love-hate relationship between Sawyer. But that's, I mean, that's how I think about it. I thought, yeah, I thought the same thing as you. It was a little disturbing. Yeah. And I get it, the the writers are writing a character and and that's who Sawyer is at this juncture of his life, you know? Yeah.
00:19:42
Speaker
So then I guess the question is, is he a redeemable type of character? I guess time will tell. Yeah. yeah And then this leads us into our next flashback where we're back in the bank and you kind of alluded to this earlier. A man attempts to grab one of the robbers, forcing him to lose his gun, which slides over to Kate. Kate picks it up and then claims she is unable to use it.
00:20:10
Speaker
and that sort of ends the little insurrection against the robbers. so And to punish her or act like he's punishing her, the robber takes her inside a room only to reveal that Kate is a participant in the robbery as well. They laugh and then kiss. So is this maybe some of the answer you've been waiting for a while regarding Kate? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. That is one of the moments when my jaw dropped. And I was like,
00:20:40
Speaker
oh Yeah. Yeah, I mean, seriously. Like, i'm I'm getting tripped up, you know, just thinking about it, because it was so crazy. Like, I mean, like, I knew that she was like, like, you know, it was coming eventually. But the fact that she was like, you know, with this guy, Jason, too, like, and they were somehow romantically involved, maybe. So, I mean, crazy.
00:21:12
Speaker
Absolutely crazy. Yeah, very interesting. Yeah. And again, I love, I love how the flashbacks give us these little tidbits throughout the episode and reveal other pieces of it. who And then back on the island, Shannon is having a hard time reading the maps, but Saeed tells her that if she really puts her mind to it, he knows she can do it.
00:21:35
Speaker
And they are very clearly, from my perspective, this is where, you know, I was maybe differing from your thoughts earlier. I feel like they're forming a very quick connection. And to me, Said seems a bit stricken by Shannon with all these conversations.
00:21:53
Speaker
And I think that for me, when I look at Said, like, if you look at even his, his feelings for Nadia, when we had his flashback episode, like how quickly, you know, it went from, Oh, your childhood friend, who I haven't seen in however many years, but, you know, I love you and have some very strong feelings for you.
00:22:14
Speaker
Yeah, that was crazy. So I think Said is, you know, you've heard that saying, I'm a I'm a lover, not a fighter sites, both a lover and a fighter. Yeah. But he definitely I think ah falls head first for people. I agree. And then over in the caves where we haven't spent as much time the past couple weeks, Kate comes running into Jack and says, we have a problem.
00:22:40
Speaker
And Jack says, we have a problem or you have a problem. Wonderful. Wonderful, Jack. I'm gonna stop you right there. That was wonderful. Keep this up. I loved Jack this entire episode with the way that he treated the Kate situation. I loved that. And that might be like, I'm not a super big Kate fan. And I know I've heard a lot of things where either you're a huge Kate fan or you're not a huge Kate fan, and there's like not really much in between.
00:23:10
Speaker
and I would definitely say that I am on the not a huge Kate fan side just because I think there's things that she's done in the show that I don't really like but You know, there's other things that I love. Like I think the whole like shooting or not shooting, but yes, shooting because I was going to say shooting the polar bear. She didn't technically shoot the polar bear, but her knowing how to operate a gun like that, one to the other flashback, I think it's the last flashback, which is perfection. Like she's such a cool character, but there's like things that she does that makes me so mad. Yeah, it's just too secretive.
00:23:51
Speaker
Yeah, and we've talked before about how she just kind of like inserts herself into situations constantly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which you could I mean, you could take either side of that, right? Like, obviously, anybody is there on an island together trying to survive. So anybody's able to jump in and and do whatever. Yeah, just the way that she goes about it sometimes is ah is a bit annoying.
00:24:15
Speaker
you As someone rewatching the show, I don't want to give away too much about my um thoughts about Kate long term.
Confrontations Over the Case
00:24:24
Speaker
Yeah. But I will say that the first couple times I watched the show, I wasn't a Kate fan. Yeah. I think that primarily my struggle with her is early seasons, like season one, specifically, the stuff we're going through now is where she's the most annoying, I think as a character. Yeah.
00:24:49
Speaker
So after Jack made his awesome statement about him having a problem or her having a problem, Kate says that Jack's the only one who knows about her and she tells him that the Marshal had a case on the plane with some nine millimeter guns with boxes of ammo. Jack says, where's the case now? And she says Sawyer has it. She then says she knows where the key is and wants to know where Jack buried the Marshal.
00:25:15
Speaker
Jack gives her a look of disbelief and says, so what else is in the case, Kate? If you want my help, we're going to open the case together. So he's very skeptical of Kate based on her deceitful nature or secretiveness. So she agrees that she will open it with him. here I mean, she agrees, but it's very like hesitant. It's very hesitant. Yeah.
00:25:40
Speaker
She was like, okay. It's, uh, and it like, especially when she, what she does later with the key. But I seriously love the way that Jack approaches this whole situation because he knows how, you know, her response is going to be. And he knows that he she is 100% lying. And so he takes it the way that he takes it. It's so good. Mm hmm.
00:26:06
Speaker
And then we transitioned back to Charlie who is with Rose and Rose is smiling. Charlie can't understand it. He says, no one's coming to the island. There's a thing out in the jungle trying to eat us and there are people trying to hurt us. And Rose stops him and says, Charlie, no one blames you for what happens. You tried to protect her and almost died yourself. And Charlie says, maybe I should have died. And Rose says, you know what, Charlie? I think you should ask for help.
00:26:35
Speaker
And Charlie's like, who's gonna help me? So what a cool scene and and Rose for the win as the motivational speaker of this episode. i I'm saying I love Rose. I'm like a huge Rose fan. Like she's freaking fantastic. She brings a lot of like mom energy, I guess I would say. I feel like she does a lot of that. And she's very like, I feel like Rose is very human.
00:27:00
Speaker
You know, like, there's some characters like Jack, who almost seem like a superhero in a way, or John Locke, who are just so mysterious, but then you have, like, characters like Rose, who just seem so down-to-earth and so human. Like, it's crazy, and I think she does a really good job of that, just like the actress. Yeah, I agree. I hope we get to see more of her coming episodes. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:27:28
Speaker
And then that brings us to our third flashback where we are still in the bank and to keep up her charade, Kate, who is known to Jason as Maggie, asks him to hit her. Kate returns with a bloody face and Jason pretends to threaten her life while demanding the cage's key from the bank manager, Hutton.
00:27:49
Speaker
Assured of Hutton's reaction, Kate fakes an attempt to stop him, claiming that Jason will kill her anyway. yeah However, Hutton agrees to cooperate in order to save her life. Phenomenal acting by Kate's part. Not by, I mean like the actress too, but like the actress does a really good job of Kate pretending like she is acting, you know? Like, if that makes sense? No, it does, yeah.
00:28:14
Speaker
Yeah, ah that was amazing. I can't believe like how hard he hit her too. Like she was bleeding bleeding from like the mouth. So I thought she did and I thought that was a little insane. And Maggie is so not her name. Like you can tell like Maggie is so not her name. Yeah, for sure.
00:28:37
Speaker
And then back on the island, again, Kate and Jack are digging up the marshal's body to get the key. Kate tries to pull the old switcheroo on Jack by dropping the maggot-filled wallet after she had already grabbed the key out of the wallet. But Jack doesn't get tricked so easily and demands that she open the case. Yeah, that was that was crazy. That was crazy. I think that was a jump. I think that might have been the last drop jump moment.
00:29:06
Speaker
Yeah. When he opened up the wallet and he was like, oh, it's not in here. It was like, oh my God. And then he was like, it was a nice sleight of hand that you did there. um I was like, what? I was like, how did he even pick up on that? And then like the fact that she wouldn't open her hand to reveal the key for a second. Oh my God.
00:29:26
Speaker
Yeah, it's so good. It was so good. Yeah, that was a cool scene. And yeah, but it begs the question also, like, this whole episode, you know, Jack is very distrustful of Kate and relationships are built on trust, Nick. So it's true, your your theory that Jack and Kate are gonna end up together. Like, what does this do for that? ah I don't know. It's a that's a good point. I think Jack is still like, still very infatuated with Kate. But he's also like, very skeptical at the same time, because she hasn't told the truth.
00:29:58
Speaker
I don't know, I i still think they're gonna become something, and if not, Jack and Kate, them for sure Sawyer and Kate. Yeah, we will see. And then we have Shannon, who unfortunately hasn't gotten very far on interpreting the maps. She keeps saying fluffy things like blue infinity, and Saeed starts to get frustrated and says, this was a mistake, to which Shannon replies, yeah, haven't you heard? I'm completely useless, and then walks off visibly upset.
00:30:30
Speaker
Yeah, I think Kaboon was very hurtful when he said that. And I also think Saeed was, I mean, he was just mad, really. That's all it was. Yeah. He just got frustrated. And I think he kind of took it out on her. And like, obviously, then the whole thing Kaboon said made her upset. and I mean, she's very valid for the way that she feels. I usually kind of crap on Shannon, but I think in this episode, Shannon was a good great character. Yeah.
00:30:57
Speaker
And then we transitioned to Jack and Sawyer, where Jack is arriving at Sawyer's place to try to get the case. Sawyer says, I knew she'd get you to do her dirty work for her. We gonna wrestle? Yeah. So that was one of my favorite lines in the episode. We gonna wrestle? I know. I'm saying I think that Jack and Sawyer could potentially be like really good friends in a different universe. Maybe even on this show. Hard to say.
00:31:27
Speaker
Yeah. Once again, my lips are sealed. Jack replies to the we going to wrestle question. He says, you're going to give it to me. And Sawyer says, why would I do that? And then we see a different side of Jack here as dark Jack comes out and threatens to stop giving Sawyer his antibiotics. Dark Jack. Yeah, I think that's how we're going to differentiate the jack. Sure. I love it. personas that we're getting.
00:31:55
Speaker
And Sawyer doesn't seem to fully believe that Jack will do it, right? because Jack's the doctor and do no evil like the whole ah creed the doctors adhere to. But he asked Jack, she tell you what's inside. And yeah, Jack shakes his head because he doesn't know and then Sawyer gives him the case and says, I know you think you're doing her a favor, but however she talked you into doing this, she lied, brother. So that was another cool line right there.
00:32:23
Speaker
It was so heavy too. It was such a heavy line. Oh my God. It was amazing. Well, again, going back to Sawyer in his flashback episode as the con man, like he gets Kate because Kate is a con woman, con person, however you would say that. Yeah.
00:32:46
Speaker
And then this scene takes us into our final flashback of the episode. Inside the cage, they call it at the bank, the robbers continue to pretend that Kate is their hostage. And then when Hutton asks them to release Kate, after which Jason sarcastically reveals for trickery and points his gun to shoot Hutton.
00:33:04
Speaker
Kate then throws us all for a loop by pulling a gun and shooting Jason in the leg, as well as shooting his other two accomplices, and then demands from Hutton the bank key to deposit box 815. So I want to come back to that in a minute.
00:33:18
Speaker
but she also reveals to Hutton that she has the customer key. You have to have the bank key and the customer key to get in. Yeah, yeah. And so Kate was pulling a Sawyer like con here with Jason and his crew, Nick. You know, thinking back to earlier comments that you made and and just wondering if Kate was in a relationship with Jason, I think this was just a big con on her part. Yeah. And then going back to deposit box 815. Yeah. Oceanic flight 815.
00:33:50
Speaker
Oh! Did you make that correlation? Yeah. No, I didn't. Oh my god. Interesting. There was the plane in there. No!
00:34:04
Speaker
Yeah, pretty crazy. Oh my god. I love that I just blew your mind live on the podcast. You get you get you get like a live reaction, yeah. Yes, this is awesome. I didn't even realize that.
00:34:20
Speaker
Oh my God, that's crazy. That can't be a coincidence. That can't be a coincidence at all. No, absolutely not. The flight was for her her boyfriend guy that she killed. Oh my God.
00:34:36
Speaker
oh Mind blown. Mind blown. And this audience is how you blow the mind of a Gen Z. Oh my god, I didn't even think of that. That's crazy. Yeah. Well, let me just I want to quickly mention before we move on. Kate with that freakin gun. Geez. Like that was crazy. That was crazy. I know. right bow bo Like some serious skills there.
00:35:11
Speaker
Yeah, and it's so funny because on Island, she's trying so hard to- To sell that she doesn't know how to use one. Yeah, to give away that she is a skilled expert with a gun. Oh my goodness. It's crazy. Yeah, for sure.
00:35:27
Speaker
And then we we transition from the flashback back to the island where we get to see Jack and Kate finally open the case, revealing the guns, some money.
Emotional Confession and Closure
00:35:38
Speaker
And there's a tiny yellow envelope in there that says personal effects. And Jack asks her, is this it? Is this what you wanted? And then Kate opens the envelope to reveal a toy plane.
00:35:51
Speaker
and Kate's reaction when she sees the plane is very emotional. So we sense that there's a lot of pain attached to it Jack tries to get her to Discuss and open up about it, but Kate deflects trying to once again keep the truth to herself But Jack's over it at this point. He's not having it. He keeps getting louder asking. What is it? I want the truth just this once I And she replies kind of in a a tiered response as far as her level of emotion and volume. And she starts off saying, it belonged to the man I loved. And Jack's like, no, Kate, what is it? And she says, it belonged to the man I loved. And then Jack says, stop lying to me. And she finally blurts out, it belonged to the man I killed. And then she breaks down emotionally while a clearly shaking Jack walks off. I mean, dude.
00:36:43
Speaker
That was one of the best scenes in the in the episode three. The way that Jack was able to see through that lie, even though, you know, like, i I didn't, I didn't see through it, and she's been lying the whole episode. Like, oh my goodness. Like, seriously, mind blown.
00:37:05
Speaker
Yeah, that was a great scene. Also, like, okay, I just said that she she lied, but what if she wasn't lying? Like, that's kind of like a theory I had. What if she wasn't lying and the man that she did kill was the man that she loved? Yeah, that could be as well. Yeah, I thought that myself. Yeah. And originally, I thought it might have been Jason, but if it was Jason, then she probably wouldn't have lied about her name being Maggie. So it was probably another guy. And then The whole 815 thing, that makes me think that the guy, the whole plane, how the plane was in the the box, 815 or whatever, makes me think that she took his spot on the plane. oh And that really, he was supposed to go on the plane, and that she did. And that's where the Marshal maybe tracked her down to. I honestly don't know.
00:37:59
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that's interesting. I don't know how that would work, because like you said, the marshal was kind of tracking her. I don't know, there's a lot of but of interesting ah theories around the plane for me still. Yeah, I agree. Nothing is final.
00:38:17
Speaker
And I've watched the show five times, I'm not sure, i i'm I'm not sure I still know the answer to all that. Yes, no one no one knows. But I wouldn't tell you if I did, so maybe I'm just misdirecting right now. It's hard to say. True.
00:38:32
Speaker
And then as the episode closes, the survivors who are now fully packed are moving down the beach and finding a spot where the beach goes a little bit further inland, away from the tide. And we have a few different themes to
Rose's Wisdom and Hope
00:38:46
Speaker
close out this episode. We start with Rose and Charlie. And that night on the beach, Rose continues to help Charlie come to terms with Claire's kidnapping. Charlie asks about Rose's husband being in the tail section. And she says, yes, he was, but he'll be back.
00:39:01
Speaker
And when Charlie questions her belief of getting reunited, ah Rose explains there's a fine line between denial and faith, which she feels is much more on her side. And Charlie in tears asks her to help him, but Rose replies that, I'm not the one that can help you. And then holds his hand while looking up to this guy and saying a prayer for him. So what a touching moment with Rose and Charlie here. I i mean, that's what I'm saying. I'm a big fan of Rose. I think she's like, really, like, really, like a really good person. Like, seriously, like a really, really good person. And I like that she has the faith that her husband is still alive.
00:39:42
Speaker
And my bet is if he is, like first thing she's gonna be saying is, I told everyone that he was alive, but no, you didn't believe me. So I hope she's right. I hope she's right. What do you think though? Do you think he's alive?
00:40:03
Speaker
I think he could be I'm not gonna like say for sure if he is I would say I'm it's like 60 40 I'm in this 60 that he's not okay and then the other 40 is that he is still alive but I because anything is still possible this island is magical or whatnot I think it's possible yeah but unlikely yeah
00:40:31
Speaker
And then at the same time this is going on, Shannon approaches Said and tells him a story of her French boyfriend's son, Laurent, who repeatedly watched a French-dubbed cartoon about a fish. Apparently the cartoon had a song with matching lyrics to Rousseau's notations on the map. And when Said asks her about the song, Shannon starts to sing Charles Trenton's La Mer.
00:40:58
Speaker
As she sings, Boone watches them intensely from behind a tree. And then passing by them, Jack heads to the caves with the case, but stops to look at Kate who gazes at the fire with a face covered in tears. And as Jack leaves, Kate twirls the toy airplane around and around in the light of the fire. And then we fade to black. Phew, lost. And another episode in the books, Nick. I mean, it was a good episode.
00:41:27
Speaker
I think, in my opinion, it was on the worst side. And that's not because I don't like Kate. I just think it distracted us from the main plot of the episode. Because we've gotten a lot of episodes that were online with the the kind of the story, like with the whole Ethan drama, like Where's Claire? Like we just had a whole episode where we didn't talk about Claire like at all, like like once or twice.
00:41:50
Speaker
But I liked the episode. I just think it was, it's probably on like my lower scale. I'll give you a rating and um in a second, but also want to mention one quick thing. Why was Boone so terrifying? Oh my God. Like right half of his face was lit by the fire and the other one was just like dark. He knows something. He knows something. He got into something with John Locke. They know something.
00:42:17
Speaker
Yeah. Like, oh it's like killing me. He was so freaking creepy. Well, on that note, I'm going to go ahead and do what we normally do at the end of the episode. And I'm just going to let you know that you will find out a little more next week because we are going to finally get a Boone backstory. Yes. Boone backstory. I love it.
00:42:42
Speaker
And therefore, because it's a Boone backstory, you will also get a lot of Shannon backstory. So it's kind of like, even though it's specifically Boone centric, it's also Shannon centric as well. Okay. Okay. I'm excited. Yeah. I think that'll help. Cause yeah, I'm with you. Like he was super intense in that scene, staring at them. I think we'll find out a little bit more about why that is. But I'm with you on this episode. You know, I don't even know.
00:43:11
Speaker
Like if you looked it up on IMDb, I think this episode probably ranked a little under eight, s like somewhere in the 7.8 or somewhere range. I was going to give it a rating. what I'm trying to think what it was. I was going to give it a rating, like 7.8 is what I was going to give it. Yeah, I think that's, that's probably a fair rating. Like definitely one of my least favorite episodes of season one. Yeah. And I think that's, that's the other challenge for me for Kate as a character. Like she,
00:43:41
Speaker
She's intriguing, but yeah I always feel like there her flashback episodes have the least reward for me. Yes. Compared to the other characters. I agree.
00:43:56
Speaker
All right, well, it's time for Most Loved, Most Hated, its the segment of our show where we talk about which characters are trending up or trending down, who we love and who are we hating on at the current moment. So, Nick, I'll flip it over to you. yeah And I'm allowed to say this is my favorite part of the show. You are allowed to say that. Well, let me say that. This is my favorite part of the show. Top three. Number one. Hurley.
00:44:24
Speaker
One line this episode, right, or what? One line this episode, and I still loved it. Yeah. Number two, John Locke. Okay. I'm leaving space so that the people can process. Number three, usually I would say Said, but he is not in my top three this episode. All right, make way. We're gonna put Jack in my top three. Oh, nice, Jack. We're gonna put Jack in my top three.
00:44:54
Speaker
and I think an honorable mention, right, they didn't crack the top three, they might be on my top five, would be Rose. Rose would be my honorable mention. Yeah, I can get on board with that. In fact, for this episode, specifically, Rose might be in my top three. I just, I feel like she was such a, such an uplifting character. I agree. To the challenges Charlie was going through. I agree. All right, how about your bottom?
00:45:23
Speaker
so this is where things get difficult uh let's just do an obvious one jason yeah bottom three i didn't like him at all he made me mad his face made me mad yeah every time he took off that stupid mask and i got to see his face i like i went like ugh it was grossed out no hate to the actor by the way if If he happens to be listening to our podcast. Is listening. No hate. I i just didn't like the way that you looked. I don't know how to say that politely. Yeah. Please tell your friends about the podcast, Jason. Yes. and Please tell your friends. Number two, I guess I'll go gin because that's the only person I can go with.
00:46:10
Speaker
I mean, I could go with Walt, but i don't I don't hate Walt like that. You've taken a lot of of you know shaming for that in the past. Yeah, we should we should do a tally of who is like who has the most points yeah for most hated at the end.
00:46:26
Speaker
I think that should be a good idea. Yeah, that's a good idea. And like, if you get first place, you get three points, and get second place, you get two points, and you get third place, you get one point. And then find out who my overall most loved top three are and my overall top three most hated are. Interesting. That'd be a good idea. Yeah, I think we're headed for a wrap up episode at the end of season one here where we're gonna have to do some of that. Yeah, for sure.
00:46:49
Speaker
Okay, my third, I'll just say, is Kate for now. Just because I didn't really like her being as deceptive as she was in this episode. I don't know if, has she ever been in my top three? I don't think she has. Yeah, I feel like maybe in the pilot episode. Maybe, yeah, that sounds right. That sounds right. No, that sounds right. All right. I think for me,
00:47:18
Speaker
my My bottom list... I mean, Jin didn't really do much this episode, but I understand if he's still in the penalty box. Yeah. Who else? I mean, Michael didn't have a huge part in this episode either, and everybody knows that I've got issues with with Michael, as I've been very clear. Obviously. Kate... I don't know. i didn't I wasn't a fan of Kate in this episode, just because of the deceptiveness.
00:47:48
Speaker
Yeah. But then again, does she owe anything to Jack and Sawyer when they're trying to dig into her personal life? I don't know. It's probably debatable. So, um you know, I'm torn on that piece as well. I like that Jack made it into your top three. That's for this episode. I think that's a good choice. Yes.
00:48:12
Speaker
Yeah. Bottom three, bottom three is tough right now. I think I would almost have to put Sawyer in it just because again, I was a little uncomfortable with his approach to things in this episode. Yeah. All right. Awesome. Well now it's time for theories and predictions portion. So obviously as I'm rewatching the show, this is really more of a time for Nick to give us a look into some of his theories as he's watching the show for the first time. So.
00:48:39
Speaker
Any theories the or things that got answered previous theories or new new things that got raised that you want to discuss and predictions that you might have? I would say that ah this wasn't a really good episode for theories in my opinion. I don't think we got a lot of big ideas. The only thing I can think of is something behind Boone and John Locke kind of making him his little goon almost.
00:49:09
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that's the only thing I can think of as of right now. And then the 815. You can't forget that your mind was blown live on the podcast. Yeah, it was it was blown live on the podcast. I don't I like I would say theories and predictions for that. I literally have no idea. I think I've like I've said, like, it could be this, it could be that I have no clue at all. So it could go in any direction. The way I see it. Yeah, for sure.
00:49:41
Speaker
But outside of that, I don't really think I have that many theories. Maybe that we find Claire in the next episode, or we get something with Claire in the next episode. That's a theory that I'll throw out there. You know, you would think that we would be moving towards that. Like, Claire's missing. And I'm with you that this episode just felt a little out of place with- Okay. Yeah. No one's looking for Claire anymore? Like, what's going on here? Yeah, it's like, what? Crazy. So yeah.
00:50:11
Speaker
I will say the next episode, I think that we're going to get a little bit more into some of the theories prediction side of things again, when it's all said and done. So that's good. Yeah, and speaking of that, thank you audience for tuning into the loss of my uncle podcast is already previewed next time we'll be discussing episode 13, which is hearts and minds.
00:50:35
Speaker
It's a Boone-centric episode with a lot of stuff about Shannon and naturally there'll be a lot of locks sprinkled in since Boone and Lock are hanging lot out a lot these days. So be sure to watch it. Join us for the discussion. Don't forget to subscribe or follow us depending on what platform you're listening to the podcast and and leave us a review. We'd love to have some feedback.
00:50:58
Speaker
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