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Raised By Another Recap
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Claire’s unsettling dreams reveal an ominous warning about her unborn child, and we dive into the haunting backstory that gives us fascinating hints into Lost’s supernatural elements. Our millennial uncle recalls the original impact of this episode during his first watch, while Nick grapples with the show's eerie foreshadowing. We also explore the island’s growing paranoia and the pivotal moment that changes everything.
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Introduction to 'Lost with My Uncle'
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Terrific You're listening to the lost with my uncle podcast I'm Aaron DS and I'll be rewatching lost Along with my nephew Nick who will be watching it for the very first time So come along with us and enjoy the journey Let's get lost let's get lost
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Hello, hello, and welcome into the show. Welcome back to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. We are your 20th anniversary deep dive into every episode of Lost. I'm Aaron D.S. playing the role of the uncle in this podcast. And joining me is my nephew, Nick. What up, my man? Hi, everybody. I'm ready. I'm ready for this episode. I really like this one. Also, um you gave me permission to make fun of you for being old.
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I did. And I will say, what up my man is is not not very hip in the lingo, if if you if you will. Is it not? No, well I mean, you can say what up, but my man is is is not, that that's old. All right, all right. youve you've entered You've entered like the official uncle status. All right, well, I mean, I guess I have to wear that with pride, but. yeah and apparently I've been hanging around with an older crowd. Yes, you have. Well, thanks for looking out for me, Paul. I do appreciate it. Of course, anytime.
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Listeners, dude, we have an episode for you
Discussion on 'Raised by Another'
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today. Today we're breaking down episode 10 of season one called Raised by Another, and this episode centers around Claire, and it is a barn burner of an episode.
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i was blown away when I rewatched this episode because i I didn't remember how much I loved it, Nick. It's just one of those episodes that as I rewatched it, I was like, oh, I completely forgot that that happened. yep And yeah, I'm just so excited to chat through this one with you. But before we get into it, let's do a little housekeeping.
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We'd love to hear your thoughts and theories, listeners. So send us any comments or questions, theories that you have, and we'll try to feature those in an upcoming episode. You can email lostwithmyunclepodatgmail.com. Again, that's lostwithmyunclepodatgmail.com. All right, Nick, let's get into it. Let's get lost, my friend. Let's get lost.
Claire's Nightmare and Symbolism
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All right, so we start out on the island in this episode, and I think this is just one of the coolest opening scenes to any episode of TV that I've watched. This episode kicks off with a jolt as Claire, who is heavily pregnant, experiences a terrifying nightmare. In what ends up being a dream, she wakes up on the beach, and then she's roaming the jungle. Here's a baby crying and ends up seeing a light in the jungle.
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And under that light is a table. And lo and behold, who is sitting at the table, but none other than John Locke himself. Couldn't really see what he was doing at that table. I was trying to take that detail in, but the panning was in and out. So I don't know if you were able to determine what he was doing there. I have no idea. He was sharpening something it looked like.
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Yeah, I think that maybe just another knife that he's making out of wood or something. He I don't think he was doing anything essential to the dream. You just go unlock being John Locke. Yeah, probably so. So Claire asks what's happening and Locke says you know what's happening. He was your responsibility, but you gave him away Claire. Everyone pays the price now.
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And as Locke lifts his head up to look at Claire, his eyes are super creepy, and one of them is black while the other is white. Did you notice that? I did notice that. So another another callback to the whole light versus dark and and backgammon conversation. Yeah, I want to say he had a card. I want to say he had a card of some kind. He may have. That might have been something I saw. I can't remember. It was very hard to see. It was very hard to make out.
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and then Claire hears the baby crying again and it almost immediately pans to her running through the jungle and she finds a crib and above that crib is one of those baby mobiles that has the the spinning things on it and this one has little oceanic flight 815 airplanes on it which is kind of cool and And she digs through the blankets in the crib and at the bottom of the blankets is a pile of blood, which she then gets all over her hands and screams in the dream, which also wakes her up screaming on the beach. And then Charlie eventually gets her to, you know, fully wake up and realize that she was dreaming and she stopped screaming. But as he looks down at her hands, she actually has blood on them.
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So we've kind of returned to the horror element this episode, Nick. I mean, seriously, I was just about to say that with that whole opening event um totally returned to
The Psychic's Ominous Warning
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horror. And I want to, I want to, I have a lot to say actually about this first segment. One, we opened with another eye shot. We did. We did. And I, cause I feel like the the past few ones we haven't gotten one. Yeah. So where's where's our count at? You're keeping a counter, right?
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Oh, they're queuing a counter, but I totally don't remember what it is. I wanna say it's like five? Yeah, I think that's fair. So, pilots one and two, and then episodes four and five, and then now this one. No, because Sun and Jin also opened one with one. How's the writings and also opened with one? I don't remember. It's either, it's either it's somewhere around there. I think it's like it's like five or six. Yeah.
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My second thing, I don't know if you saw, or I don't know if I i i saw something I shouldn't like, like I was crazy, but when she hears ah the crying, at like right after the whole John Locke sequence, she hears crying and it flashes to a shot of the jungle. And it's almost like there's a light in the bottom, like in the bottom right side of the screen. And it's like, there's a fire and there's someone sitting by the fire. Did you see that? Or was I crazy?
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No, I think that, I think you're right. It all happened too quickly and I didn't, I didn't rewind and like pause, you know, slow frame it or anything. i and Yeah, i I did. And then it also seemed like right after something was running through the jungle in the dream. I do remember that, yeah. And I kind of interpreted that as the crying baby. I don't know. Interesting. Literally no clue.
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My number three, and this was actually kind of interesting, I am very, very, very interested that John Locke is the only person we actually see in this dream. I don't think that's a coincidence. In what way? like what what are you What are you leaning towards there? I think this dream is somewhat island related. And I think that's why John Locke is in this dream is because he's so connected to the island.
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And i think I think he definitely knows something, especially with the end of the episode, which we'll get to when we get there. Yeah, I think i think John Locke is 100% involved with the island, like no doubt in my mind. And I think seeing him in this dream solidifies it. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, crazy that's a crazy opening sequence.
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Yeah, and it's like it really like kind of sets a tone for the ah the whole eeriness surrounding the pregnancy. Mm-hmm, absolutely. And then in our next scene, Jack is checking in on Claire and he's asking her a lot of questions about her pregnancy.
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He asks her, how many weeks were you when you found out you were pregnant? Which leads us into our first off-island flashback. And in our first flashback, it takes us to Claire's life before the crash, where we see her discussing her recently discovered pregnancy with her boyfriend.
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And she's she's a little upset, doesn't seem convinced that they should keep the baby. But her boyfriend, who we find out is named Thomas, talks her into it, and he's like, oh no, it's gonna be great. I'm here with you. Let's do this. And at the end of the scene, Claire seems content with that decision. Well, I think i think two things. One, I think Thomas is an idiot. Like, did you pee on it right? like Did you pee on the stick, right? nice No, I didn't. um i so I thought it was pretty dumb. I was so disappointed because I had such high hopes after this first flashback for Thomas. And now, like I'm going to reveal one of my my most hated. It's Thomas. Thomas is one of my most hated on this episode. No doubt.
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I feel like we haven't really gotten much of the the gin and like the Shannon for me to hate them enough. so So Thomas is down there. That's fair. And I don't like him. I actually like, cause I think the reason I don't like him is cause I was so like, I liked him so much at the beginning. and I was like, Oh, that's so nice. I was like, he's being so reassuring. He's being so great. And then I was like, it was like,
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You know, like, screw you. yeah So, you know, like he's definitely down there for me. Also, it was not an intentional baby, which is interesting. It's an accident. Yeah. So, interesting. I wouldn't have i wouldn't have predicted that.
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And then back on island, Kate is once again staring out into the ocean and Jack walks towards her on the beach and he kind of jokes about it being a first for her to stand still and do nothing in the middle of the day. But you notice I said she was once again staring out into the ocean because I feel like all of the characters have lost like stare out into the ocean a lot. And she says she is sinking in the sand and that she used to do it as a kid. And then they talk about Said and how he's been gone for a week. And Jack's like, he'll be okay.
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And then they also talk about how Claire is going to have her baby soon, which neither one of them seemed too excited about the prospects of delivering a baby on the island. And then we flip to Charlie walking up to Claire. She's writing in a notebook and I love this part. It's Charlie jokes. Dear diary, I'm still on the bloody island. Today I swallowed a bug. Love Claire.
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And he breaks her tea, asks her how she's feeling. You know, he's very concerned about her being on the island without family and friends. And while she's pregnant, and he's like, I can be your friend, you know, if you needed someone to talk to, I'm here. And Claire just
Charlie's Support and Friendship
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says, Charlie, and then just kind of leaves it at that. And Charlie says, I understand. And he walks off. Yeah, I mean, okay, I got a few things I want to say. Kate is always wearing that freaking green shirt.
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Literally every single scene, she's wearing that green shirt. I have nothing against the green shirt, but i and I realize you only have so many pairs of clothes. Wear a different shirt. It's always the green one or the orange one. She has two main tops. It's annoying.
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roost through someone's luggage and get something else. Anyway, that was one. Two, I feel like the whole sinking thing is definitely gonna come back, like as a metaphor. Like you're sinking into the island. I think they're gonna like sort of like implying that they're sinking into the island and they kinda like, you know, like they're gonna be here for a while and like, it's just gonna slowly like take over, you know, like that. That's kind of like what I imagined when with the whole sinking thing. Also,
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Kate is really worried about Said. I don't know why, I mean, like, I don't know why she wouldn't be, but I also don't really understand, you know, like, why she would. Her specifically? Yeah, yeah like her specifically. And I get, like, she was close with Said, but, like, she's always like, ha where's Said? So, like, there's this other love triangle, like, Kate is just, like, in five love triangles, you know, like, Said, huh, Sawyer, huh, Jack?
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Yeah. So, yeah, I thought that was interesting. Also, great scene with the Dear Diary. I'm still on the Bloody Island today as well. I love that. So good. I was wondering why Claire was so hesitant to let hesitant to let Charlie, like, in. You know? Yeah. Maybe because she didn't want to get hurt like she did with Thomas.
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I don't know, maybe how she kinda says later in the episode, we're like, oh, you're only helping me because I'm pregnant. I like the dynamic they have. And I don't know if I called it back, what was it, the peanut butter episode? What was the peanut butter episode? Yeah, what was the peanut butter episode? What's that? That's the Sawyer episode? I didn't think that would have been the Sawyer episode. I believe so, yeah. I think that was two episodes ago. Did I say they were gonna have some sort of relationship or some sort of thing? I can't recall.
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You may have, I think originally you said something about Charlie and Shannon, like way back in the day. That's originally what I said. Yes, that's what I said like a long time ago. But now I think it's, now I think it's Claire and, I think I said Claire and Charlie in the Sawyer episode. I might not have, but I'm definitely thinking a Claire and Charlie thing is going to happen now. If friends, if more than friends, we'll see. So.
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And then our second flashback takes us to Claire visiting a psychic with a friend. And this is when Claire is still happy with Thomas. They talk about how Thomas cleaned out his loft and they're going to move in together. And then they go into the psychic's house. He takes her hands and starts doing his thing and he asks her immediately. So when'd you find out about the baby?
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as he continues to read her poems, his whole face changes and he says, I'm sorry, I can't. I'm not doing this for you, you have to leave now. So what'd you think about this scene, Nick? What was going through your mind? It's weird. Like it's it's weird, but like, it kind of makes like, it kind of makes sense with this whole like eeriness surrounding the baby, you know?
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ah I think it leans into the, I don't think it's like, okay, hold on. I think the dream was very horror element, but I don't think anything else about this episode is horror at all. I think it's very, that what this episode does is it's very disturbing and like yeah killing. It's like it's it keeps you on the edge of your seat.
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Mm-hmm. It's like horror movies that don't have that jump scare. It's just like they're really unsettling That's kind of what this did but like to a way lesser degree because obviously it's not a horror movie It's like a thriller. Yeah, if you will I think the psychic was like a really good way to show like the evil presence that's going on um There's definitely something going on with this baby.
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And we find out later what is, yeah, it's so weird that he won't even, like he gives her a money back. Won't do it. So it's, it's clearly a big deal. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very, very interesting. What is actually going on with the baby? Right.
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And then back on the island, Claire is sleeping and it seems that someone comes up and puts their hand over her mouth and we then pan to Jack waking up.
Mystery of the Needle Attack
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to hearing what he thinks is just another disturbing dream from Claire. And Charlie and Hurley look everywhere, but they don't see anyone. So Claire believes someone is trying to harm her and her unborn baby and stabbed her with a needle. Meanwhile, Jack is skeptical thinking Claire's stress and fear might be leading to these vivid dreams and just the stress of the crash in general.
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But the audience knows and lost nothing is ever just what it seems. So we're left questioning what's real here and what's not. And then Jack actually gets to a place where he openly doubts Claire, tries to get her to take sedatives, which really upsets her. And so she kind of takes off.
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which we'll talk more about that later in the episode. And Charlie really takes on the role of her protector and friend in this episode. And he tells Claire after this happens that she can close her eyes and that he'll be there all night and won't leave her. Yeah, Charlie is very, um very like I'm very close to getting to Claire. I feel like they like super glued together really, really fast. I don't know, that's crazy. I feel like they had like one interaction, then they were like zip together.
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That's what fake peanut butter in a and an empty jar does to you, man. It's true, and but it's it's kind of interesting, because I feel like Claire was not even remotely part of the Charlie episode, but Charlie is all over thelare the And that might just be because Charlie's a main character and Claire's not. I might just do it up to that. um Chalk it up to that. Queue it up to that is not a saying.
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But yeah, I think that's one. ah Two, I agree with Jack that there was no mark from the needle. Just another dream. Okay. That's my thoughts. And then in the next flashback, Claire is putting up drapes in Thomas's place when he comes home from work.
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She is happy and is trying to talk to Thomas about the baby, but he reveals to her that everything's really become too real and and he can't do it and that she had to have seen it coming. And he also says some really crappy stuff to her about, you know, there's your daddy abandonment again. And, you know, blaming her for skipping the pill or accusing her of skipping her pill. And then he storms out and says it's over. And Claire is just all kinds of upset and messed up.
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Boo, Thomas! Yeah, for real. I hate you. I hate you. You are what's wrong with the world, Thomas. Yes. Not the actor, though. The actor the actor did such a good job that I hate the character so much. And naturally, this has to be playing into her tenetiveness with Charlie. um Yeah, it has to. And like the fact that he accuses her. I hate you.
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You said that you were gonna stick around and then you're not, like, you know, what the heck, man? Mm-hmm. That flashback just, like, locked in that I am going to hate. um Thomas, that's what that did. Absolutely.
Hurley's Census and Survivor Identities
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And then back on the island, Hurley has talked to Jack and decided to take a census of the survivors. And his motivation is quite simple. He just wants to know who's who on the island. He says, I don't know the first thing about Scott and Steve or anyone else. So the Scott and Steve names keep coming up in these episodes, Nick, as you probably noticed. And he begins going around and writing down first and last names, where people lived, what they did, and why they were in Sydney.
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And his first interviewee that we see is Locke, and Hurley walks up to him and says, John, right? John Locke? And Locke says, is this about your census? And Hurley explains his motivations, and you know Locke is pretty open about everything with him. But also a really interesting and fun exchange here, as Locke gives his reason for being in Sydney as looking for something. And when Hurley asks if he found it, he says, no, it found me.
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So the ever philosophical John Locke, who if you didn't know Nick is also the name of a real life famous English philosopher and physician. Oh, I know. I do know that, actually. All right. Trying to bestow some uncle knowledge on you here, but you already know everything. Yeah, no, I mean, history time history class, tell me something. I love the Scott and Steve bit. I love that bit. I think that's hilarious. I actually, like, if if they keep doing this, and you told me they will, I will laugh every single time. I think that is so funny. Oh, it is. Also, great job, Hurley. Great job, Hurley.
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for wanting to make this census. He did some really good ideas lately. Golf course, census. Come on. Like, like keep him rolling. Keep him rolling. And I love that we get his real name. Yeah. His real name isn't Harley. His real name's Hugo. I don't remember what he said his last name was.
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Reyes. But yeah, Hugo Reyes, I love that. I have another theory that I just came up with right now. And usually I would save it for the theories and predictions, but I'm just gonna say it. Bring it, bring it now. I don't think John locks his name. I don't think John locks his name. All right. I think he's lying. I think that he is lying. Or maybe he is, I lied.
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I lied. Cause that doesn't check out. Or does that check out? Oh, I don't know. We've already had a flashback where they were calling him that.
00:22:25
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ah True. I mean, I don't know. I feel like his name. I feel like he would say that to cover it up because it already is a philosophy. Like, I like the famous philosopher's name. That's why I think he would like go by a different name. That being John. OK, that's that's probably a stretch. And I I something later in the episode disproves that. So um but I'll save that for later. OK. Yeah, I ignore that theory. OK.
00:22:54
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We will withdraw your theory. Yes, please withdraw my theory. I do like the, um no, it found me from John Locke there. That was pretty cool. um That was pretty cool. And I think the island is what he was looking for. I don't think directly, I don't think he was like in search of this island. I don't think he was trying to.
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But I think he was looking for something, like some goodness to happen to him. And the island is what found him. That's what I think. For sure. No, I think that's what he's yeah referring to as well. Yeah. And then throughout the episode, Hurley is seen conversing with a few other people regarding the census. We find out the name of a new character who was in our last episode hanging out with John Locke. And we find out his name is Ethan.
00:23:47
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Hurley goes up to him as like Lance, right? And he's like, no, Ethan. And then when Hurley is talking to Boone and Shannon about the census and asking them questions, they of course get a little a little ah snippy with Hurley and are like, who are you to be asking us questions? Like you would expect Boone and Shannon to respond. hey But then they also mentioned that, hey, there's a passenger manifest from the plane that that you could reference. And when Hurley asked them who has it, of course Sawyer has it in his stash.
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Yes. And then we move to another flashback. And this one is Claire's second visit to the psychic. So it shows her returning and asking him to give her a reading.
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And he reluctantly agrees and starts reading her palms. And he immediately asks when he left her and talking about Thomas. And she says last week, she asks if that's why he didn't want to do her reading. And he says, no, I saw something really blurry and blurry is bad. Are you sure you want to go on?
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And Claire, of course, does, and he reads her and tells her, i I can tell you this is important. It is crucial that you yourself raise this child, if the child parented by anyone else, anyone other than you, danger surrounds this baby. Your nature, your spirit, and your goodness must be an influence in the development of this child.
00:25:08
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And she tells him that she is putting the baby up for adoption. He is adamant that there can't be another and she can't allow another to raise the child. And so Claire gets upset and runs out and as she's leaving, he says, Ms. Littleton, please, this baby needs your protection. So this scene is super creepy. it's It's kind of one of my favorites in the whole episode and also raises a ton of questions. Who is this psychic and what is he trying to accomplish here? has I have a better question. All right.
00:25:38
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What did he see? We never know exactly what he sees. You know? Because he's just like, oh yeah, you have to raise the child. Why?
00:25:50
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What do you know? What happens if I don't? What do you see if I don't raise this child? That's the kind of questions that Claire should be asking. Like, what happens if I do put this baby up for adoption? Like, what's gonna happen to my baby? What's gonna happen to me? You know, like, why is it so bad? Why is it so important? You know? yeah What's wrong with my baby? With Thomas? Is Thomas like some evil spirit or something? And then my baby now has your evil spirits or something?
00:26:21
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Yeah, I mean, like that's naturally where your mind goes. that's That's where I'm going right now. Very, very, very i dedicated to getting Claire to raise this child. But why? Why? That's that like that's why that's why I'm confused. It's like, why? Yeah. um I actually did really like the psychic though. I thought it was a cool addition. I liked him.
00:26:48
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Yeah, for sure. And as we close out that flashback scene, later on that night, Claire is sleeping and the psychic calls her trying to reason with her. And he says he has an offer for her, which we'll get back to a little bit later on in our podcast episode. Yep. And then back on the island, we see Hurley go over to Sawyer's tent and sit down and he says, I'm just gonna lay it out for you straight. You have the flight manifest, I need it and want you to give it to me because dude, you could use the points.
00:27:19
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And Sawyer, of course, you know in his response, throws out a nickname, Chuckles, and says, it's in the briefcase. Go ahead and take it. So he doesn't put up too much of a fight. And then we have Charlie, who has followed an upset Claire as she's hiking through the jungle. And Claire starts having major contractions. So Charlie tries to help her calm down. And this is my favorite of the episode, Nick. One sugar plum fairy, two sugar plum fairy.
00:27:47
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Yeah, I will absolutely be using that in every episode from here on out trying to slip it in somewhere. Yeah, exactly. And again, Charlie, you know, is just working really hard to gain Claire's trust and prove that he can be there for her. And he also lets us slip accidentally in the scene that he was a drug addict. and So that should lead to some fun and interesting conversations in the future.
00:28:12
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Yeah, I wanna say I love that Hurley and Sawyer interaction. I love that Sawyer didn't really care. He was like, yeah, just take it. I love that Hurley just was like, yeah, I need it and I want it. And, you know, you could use some positivity. And he's like, okay.
00:28:33
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yeah I love that, that was so great. And I think he said something like, um story says something like oh, aren't you a charmer? And he was like it's what i it's like he's like i he's like, it's a gift. So I loved that interaction so much. So good. And then I did love the one sugar plum fairy and two sugar plum fairy. Loved that. um And then ah the way he slipped that he was a drug addict addict was funny. like the like Just the way that he like accidentally said it.
00:29:02
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Mm-hmm. He was just like, oh, yeah, I I I'm a drug addict. I'm just a drug addict. So he's like, well, not anymore.
Charlie's Past Revealed
00:29:12
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You know, like, like the blood backtrack and like correct himself because he's like, oh, yeah, I'm a drug addict. Oh, wait. No, I'm not. So I thought that I thought that was funny. Yeah, for sure.
00:29:25
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And then as we close this scene out, we see Charlie run off to get Jack because Claire is like, please just go get Jack. And that brings us into our next Off Island flashback where we see Claire meeting with her lawyer and a couple. And she's in an adoption meeting where she initially appears ready to sign the papers and relinquish her parental rights.
00:29:47
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And as the couple enthusiastically talk about their future with the baby, Claire's discomfort is is becoming very evident in this scene. And she asks if they know the song, catch a falling star and put it in your pocket. And if they could sing it to the baby from time to time, but she is ultimately unable to bring herself to sign the documents. And it's interesting because she was ready to sign it. And then her pen malfunctioned.
00:30:12
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And they give her another pen and she has the same situation happening and then it just causes her to really doubt what she's doing. And I also think that this is kind of a pivotal moment and shift for her character as she sort of begins to trust her own instincts and grapple with, you know, profound responsibility of motherhood.
00:30:31
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I think initially, I didn't really think much of this flashback. And I still don't really think too much. I think it's just like, I agree with what you said. It's just a major shift. And the whole pen's not working. As soon as the first pen didn't work, I was like, I was like, come on. I was like, it's a sign. I was like, you're not doing this. And the second pen didn't work. And I was like, okay, what are you doing?
00:30:56
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like you can't sign this. And she's like, I think she started signing it with a third pen. So the third pen did work, but she was like, no, I can't do this. But I also will say, I thought it was really funny how how annoyed the other parents were. yeah yeah Or at least the mom is like, I can't do this. sir now yeah o yeah No, no. She was like really upset. I thought the same thing. I get it, like if you if you if you think you're gonna get a child, like I understand, but but at the same time, like it was never promised yours yet. If you didn't sign it yet.
00:31:32
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Right. It's not like she made it. It's not like she made it to the delivery room, delivered the baby, and then was like, yeah, sorry. but Exactly. I thought it was funny. And then the final portion of that flashback shows Claire returning to the psychic after reconsidering the adoption.
00:31:51
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And she says, what is it? What's your offer? So this hearkens back to the phone call where he called her. And this time he tells her about a couple in Los Angeles who would be a perfect fit to adopt her baby. And he even offers to pay for her flight. He offers her 6,000 upfront, 6,000 once she delivers the baby to the couple. But Claire isn't quite sure about the change in perspective from this psychic who had been so adamant about her keeping or raising the baby herself.
00:32:20
Speaker
So what'd you make of this scene and the kind of the shift there? Um, I was like wondering, cause I was, yeah he told her so many times, like, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it. Change. It seemed really weird. And obviously we find out, well, we don't necessarily find out for certain, but we don't think that it's the psychic's intent to actually get her to Los Angeles.
00:32:50
Speaker
if the people are on the island so that she can have a baby and she can raise it. of Which makes me think, whatever it is, whatever important event that has to happen, like or why e Claire has to raise this baby, has to be so important that the psychic has to literally strand her on an island to get her to raise the kid. So that's it's gotta be pretty intense, gotta be pretty important. Yeah.
00:33:17
Speaker
or else why in the world would you put a person through that? Like that's crazy. Yeah, absolutely. And this raises so many so many questions going forward about fate and destiny and whether the craft really was an accident. If it wasn't an accident, you know, who is who is orchestrating this? I still think it was. I still don't think it was intended. I just think that the psychic knew. Okay.
00:33:47
Speaker
And specifically in the flashback, he says like, it can't be the next flight. It has to be this flight. So he definitely knew. But I think that might just tally up to him being a psychic. Yeah. Well, maybe not. Because he remember she was like, Oh, if you're a psychic, why'd you have to count to $200? Maybe that only maybe that only works.
00:34:09
Speaker
if like he touches the palms of another person. So maybe it was rigged. That's actually a good point. I haven't thought about that. Maybe the plane was supposed to crash. Yeah. But maybe they weren't supposed to survive. It's very interesting. What if the plane was supposed to crash, but they weren't supposed to survive? Or maybe they weren't supposed to survive. and Or what if they weren't supposed to be on the island? Oh my goodness, so many questions. So many. I'm telling you. So many questions. Okay. This one opened up a big old can.
00:34:40
Speaker
Yeah. And then back on the island, we, we kind of feed into this narrative a little more. And we've got some, some back and forth scenes here, but Charlie is running to get Jack because he thinks Claire is having the baby and he runs into Ethan, who we've just been introduced to. And he frantically tells Ethan that Claire is having her baby. Please go and get Jack from the caves. I'll be right over here with Claire.
Ethan's Suspicious Identity and Confrontation
00:35:03
Speaker
And then he gets back and that's when they kind of Claire and Charlie start talking a little bit about the psychic as clear as clai's contractions are actually stopping and she's calming down a little bit. And Charlie raises the question, well, you know, I i believe that some people do have a gift. So what if he knew?
00:35:19
Speaker
And Claire later admits that she's kind of thinking about these things he knew, he knew about the plane and what was going to happen. But what happens at the end of this episode is truly shocking. nick So tell us what happened next to Charlie and Claire, and then please share with our listeners if you at all saw this coming throughout the episode. Okay, so I think this might be the most excited I've been in this show before.
00:35:45
Speaker
i'm I'm lying, I'm lying. I was more excited when I learned that John Locke could throw knives and was secretly like the coolest guy ever. yeah Second most excited was this moment. so yeah We flash back to the caves, right? Where Said is getting back from the the last episode. um I was wondering where he was gonna come in from. So he's like dehydrated and he's like got like he's like limping. I don't know if that's from when he was cut in the leg from the tree or if that was just something else that happened. And he's like, we're not alone. I've met the French woman.
00:36:19
Speaker
He's like, it's so frantic. And you're like, like, like, okay, keep talking. That's when Hurley, you know, comes comes running along. And it's like, ah Jack, we've got a problem. And um he's like, yeah, so we went through the home manifest. And one of the names wasn't in it. And it was Ethan. He was not on the plane.
00:36:43
Speaker
So that raises the question, if Ethan wasn't on the plane, who is he, you know? And then we flip back to Charlie and Claire and Ethan shows up looking all creepy and he says super creepy. Hello there. And then they stare at each other and we fade into the lost. Oh my God. Oh my God. What an ending. What an ending.
00:37:12
Speaker
Why is Ethan so creepy? Oh my God, he's so creepy. That's one. Two, I think Ethan is Alex. Oh yeah? I think Ethan is Alex. I don't think Ethan is Ethan. I think Ethan is Alex. That's what I think. I think Ethan is Alex. And two, I think John Locke knows that Ethan is Alex.
00:37:36
Speaker
Ah, okay. Because I think towards the end, when Hurley was like, oh yeah, we've got one person who's not on it, we got a lot of flashes of John Locke out of nowhere. When Said came back, we got a lot of flashes of John Locke. So either John Locke is like gonna, you know, bust down and solve this mystery, or he knows.
00:38:03
Speaker
Yeah. John Locke is always there in the pivotal moments. He's always, he's always lurking. Yeah. I mean, great episode. Great. And I think Ethan said like, hello there. And he's just staring at them. He never went to go get Jack.
00:38:22
Speaker
Right. Never went. Just staring. and And he's like, hello there. Chills like throughout my whole body was the creepiest thing ever. And two things about Hurley. One, go Hurley for finding out that Ethan was the guy. Good for you, Hurley.
00:38:42
Speaker
You had a great idea. Two, he said to Ethan earlier that episode, it's so crazy that we've been on this island for weeks and we don't know each other yet. Yeah. He said that to Ethan. Yep. And it's because Ethan's an imposter of some kind and Ethan is in my head actually Alex. So interesting. So interesting.
00:39:07
Speaker
Yeah, this episode was so good and it raises so many more questions. I mean, the stuff with Claire's baby is fascinating. The stuff about fate and destiny and the island, the psychic, like all of this stuff is just very intriguing. And then Ethan comes into play, you know, who is he? What does he want?
00:39:28
Speaker
So good. And I feel like this is, if I remember correctly, this is sort of a turning point in the season because after this point, the momentum just picks up to a whole nother level. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Like the early episodes were great, you know, and it had lots of exciting moments, but it was a lot of character building. And now I feel like from this point on, we're going to be running the rest of the season. Oh, I cannot wait.
00:39:58
Speaker
Yeah, good stuff. So what would you rate this episode on the 10 scale? I don't know. Because I'm thinking about it. I didn't love the episode as a whole. In my like, like for me, like I really liked to the beginning, like with the whole horror elements. And I really liked the ending. And that was great. But I don't know, I feel like none of the flashbacks like stood out, stood out to me. And it was eerie the whole time, but I feel like there were moments where I was like, oh, okay. And just like that was the end of it. So I would say for now, I would say like a solid, I'll say 8.25, cause I'm picky. I think it was a great episode, lore wise, and like what we're going to get into with the actual show, but
00:40:52
Speaker
for the intense stuff happening. I feel like not that and many intense things happen until the very, very end. Yeah. So. Yeah. I mean, it had a had a lot of Claire and Charlie relationship building dynamic. Yeah, that's that's yeah. And I feel like I feel like there were a lot of flashbacks this episode. There were. Yeah, absolutely. Which I liked because most of them were centered around the psychic, which I was fascinated by.
00:41:22
Speaker
Right, I agree. But I think 8.25 is pretty fair. Yeah, I feel like there were there was very little on island stuff. And if it was, it was just up Claire's pregnant. Here's Charlie. Yeah, on IMDB, this episode gets an 8.5 out of 10. So that's right in that ballpark. Yeah.
00:41:48
Speaker
Awesome. So you talked a little bit about, you know, you introduced Most Loved, Most Hated a little earlier segment of our show where we talk about who's trending up or trending down, who we're loving, who we're hating. But go ahead and give us a quick recap there if you don't mind. Okay, so my most hated for this episode is Thomas. Thomas, yep. Freak you, Thomas, man. I hate you. And again, the trend is the characters who are a big part of the flashbacks are typically jerks. And they're typically in the most hated. Yeah, I mean, seriously.
00:42:16
Speaker
Seriously, and i i like I want to say like more permanent characters, but we just haven't gotten any like characters that have done jerky things. Jin is a jerk, don't get me wrong, but we haven't seen him. but We didn't see him in all that episode.
00:42:34
Speaker
Right. I don't think we saw him at all last episode either or son for matter of fact. I think the last time we saw them was the Sawyer episode. Yeah, which is fine. Also, we have not seen a rose. Where is fliling rabbit? Where is Rose? We've not seen Rose in what was that episode 10?
00:42:55
Speaker
Yeah, we just watched episode 10. Yeah, it's episode 10. So we haven't seen Rose in five whole episodes. We didn't see her at all in Walkabout. We didn't see her as we saw her in the beginning. And I think that's it. So in the beginning, White Rabbit, and that's it. Or no. Rose wasn't even in White Rabbit. She was in Walkabout.
00:43:19
Speaker
I think. Yeah, I think you're right. I think it was Walkabout. So it's been six episodes. Anyway, getting off topic. Just for now, I'm gonna say, oh, Ethan, duh. Yeah. Ethan is my, I didn't think about that. Ethan is my two, because I just thought he was so creepy. But I i kind of do like it. I'm not gonna lie. I do like the creepiness factor. But for the sake of putting someone on my most hated, I'm putting Ethan there. Yeah, for sure.
00:43:49
Speaker
Can I say I hate the psychic? Sure. Cause he was the reason Claire's in this mess. You can say it. Probably. I think that's what I'm going to go with. I switched, switch Shannon and the psychic though. Psychic is, I hate the psychic more than Shannon. Wow. Honorable mention.
00:44:11
Speaker
Honorable mention, they didn't make the top three. No, no, no, no, no. Honorable mention, they didn't make the bottom three, but I still hate them with a very fiery passion as well. Uh-oh, uh-oh, I knew it. I mean, we didn't get any of them this episode, but I still hate them. I'm so sorry, listeners.
00:44:34
Speaker
Most loved, I gotta go Hurley one. I gotta go Hurley one. He was my favorite last episode. Cause the whole golf course and he just like, he's so smart with this whole idea. I gotta to go early one. Yeah, he's amazing. I think I still am going to go John Locke too. Cause I love his character so much. a and I'm so fascinated by it. And I have so many questions about him too. I just want them to be answered.
00:45:06
Speaker
Three, I guess I'm going Saeed. I do really like Saeed, so I'm going Saeed three. Also, something i that I'll say for um but sort of the theories and predictions. Sorry, I'm jumping ahead a little bit. I originally thought that Claire was dreaming with the whole needle thing. After I found out that Ethan was um not actually part of the island group, then I thought, okay,
00:45:35
Speaker
Ethan is 100% the guy that tried to attack Claire. Like i I definitely think that happened now. Especially because Charlie was all like, oh yeah, she's not crazy. You know? Yeah. So. So what do you think about the the needle specifically? Like, do you think that that was something that she conjured up or? Um.
00:45:59
Speaker
No, I think if it is actually Alex, which is my current theory, that he would have those kinds of supplies. Similar to- Because like we said last time, like Danielle had those guns. Yeah, well, and she had, she was like injecting stuff into Said too. Right, so buts it would make sense. But what would he be wanting with the baby? Yeah, I don't know. ah Yeah, I literally have no idea.
00:46:30
Speaker
Awesome. Well, this, this episode was just so good. It was so good. For me, this was one of those episodes. And, you know, again, we are a spoiler free podcast. For those of you listening for the first time, I'm rewatching it for the fifth or sixth time now.
00:46:46
Speaker
I'm never going to say anything that gives anything away. But for me, as I rewatch season one, there are so many aha moments for me for later on in season six where threads threads get resolved or things just callbacks to the first season that that I didn't even remember. And and there was one of those in this episode and I was just sitting there going Oh, crap. That is so awesome. Like, I didn't even remember that. And it just closes the thread once you get further into the show. It's just so amazing. I gotta wait all the way until season six. You gotta wait a long time for some of these, my man. Oh, that's brutal. So it's okay for me to say my man if it's not if there's not a what up in front of it, right?
00:47:34
Speaker
Yes, that's actually true. Okay. All right. You can just say I'm my man. All right. If there's no, what happened? If you said, ah if you said what, if you said like, what up dude, like that's okay. Dude is okay. Okay. My man. All right. Dude is a little bit more acceptable. Well, I am a, I'm a dad and an uncle that's always learning. Yes.
00:47:59
Speaker
Thank you so much for tuning in to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. Join us next time as we'll be discussing episode 11 called All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues. Any guests, Nick, on who that episode centered around? I mean, I would guess like a Sawyer episode, but no. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm trying to think. Who could it be?
00:48:23
Speaker
Could it be another Jack episode? Cause he had a big dad thing. Unless it's like a new character. Wait, can you tell me if it's a news character or if it's an old character? It is a second flashback episode. So it's a character we already had. It's 100. So it's 100% Sawyer or Jack, but Sawyer was so recent. I want to say that it's Jack. Excellent work. You got it. Yes. We will have our second Jack flashback next week. Yeah. Oh, didn't Sawyer call Jack a cat? He did, yeah.
00:48:55
Speaker
That's why it's all the best Cowboys have daddy issues. Yeah. The funny thing though, when I was preparing for this podcast and trying to remember what the next episode was, when I saw all the best Cowboys have daddy issues, I, in my memory was like, Oh, that's a Sawyer episode. And then I was like, I went and looked and I was like, Oh no, it's Jack. Yeah. Like it kind of thing. Can you think the cowboy? Yeah. I feel like that makes you think Sawyer just cause he's got that accent. Yeah, for sure.
00:49:24
Speaker
though. So it'll be good. Be sure to watch it and join us for the discussion. And don't forget to subscribe and leave a review. We'd love to continue to grow our listenership. So we will see you next time. I cannot wait.