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Hearts and Minds Recap
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Boone and Shannon’s toxic sibling relationship is brought to the forefront, revealing startling secrets about their past. Our uncle delves into how this episode shocked original fans, while Nick tries to untangle the complicated emotions and questionable decisions. We also examine Locke’s enigmatic mentorship and the hallucinations that hint at deeper truths.
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Introduction to 'Lost with My Uncle' Podcast
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You're listening to the Lost with My Uncle podcast. I'm Aaron Diaz, and I'll be rewatching Lost, along with my nephew Nick, who will be watching it for the very first time. So come along with us and enjoy the journey.
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Let's get lost. Let's get lost.
20th Anniversary 'Lost' Deep Dive
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Hello and welcome back to The Lost with My Uncle, a lost rewatch and first timers podcast. We are your 20th anniversary deep dive into every episode of Lost. I'm Aaron, your millennial guide to all things Lost. And I'm Nick, the Gen Z newbie experiencing the show for the first time.
Boone's Backstory and Relationships
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Today we're going to recap episode 13 season one which is called hearts and minds and takes us really into Boone's backstory and who the kind of person that he was before the island and we got also a little bit of Shannon too um since they related Yeah. And we've got a lot to unpack this episode. So if you listeners haven't watched it yet, ah turn this off, go do that, and then come back. We love having you here, but you need to watch the episodes before you consume our content to spoil everything for you. And as always, feel free to email us with your thoughts, theories, questions at lost with my uncle pod at gmail dot.com. Lost with my uncle pod at gmail dot.com.
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So with no further ado, let's get lost. Let's do it.
Boone's Jealousy and Island Interactions
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So the episode once again opens with an eye and this time Boone stares at Said talking to Shannon on the beach. You can literally see what we think is anger building and until Hurley interrupts to ask about the lack of boar meat. Boone brushes him off and Hurley grumbles that maybe you guys aren't trying hard enough and living here isn't a game.
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Okay, well, to be fair, I agree with Hurley. They're not even doing anything. Like, they're just kind of looking at it and trying to figure it out, but they're not doing anything. You know, they're not getting, they aren't getting bored, so people are having to, you know what I mean? Hurley's having stomach problems. So I agree with Hurley. I think it's kind of annoying. Also, do we know where our I episode counter is at? I think it's at like seven. It's gotta be seven, yeah. It's getting up there.
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Yeah, I think that's that where're think we're floating right around seven. Yeah. Boone was very emo and very edgy this episode towards the beginning, at least, or to other people. Right?
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Yeah, I don't know how I feel about his character. because i There's some aspects that I really do like. um But there are also aspects that I hate, like how he was and in towards Jack in Jack's episode. And he's like, oh yeah, I could have saved the woman that drowned. Why did you
Boone's Flashback to Sydney
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have to come and get me even though I was dying? You know, like, is it's like stupid stuff like that. Like, and sometimes he seems like a jerk. Absolutely. Yeah, and the way he was staring Syene down was just,
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super weird. Yeah, yeah. He's like possessive. Yeah, possessive. And it makes more sense as we get further into the episode. But when you first saw it, you're like, Okay, what's going on here?
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So that takes us into our first flashback. And in our first flashback, Boone is at a ritzy tennis club and gets a very frantic call from Shannon, who says that things aren't good. And Boone could hear yelling in the background. He asks her where she is, and she says, I'm in Sydney, Australia. So she's basically crying out to him to come and rescue her. Yeah. What is she doing in Australia? I mean, like, because the guy that she was with wasn't even Australian, was he?
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Was he not? No, I don't think so. I think he's just a random guy. Like a random American dude. For some reason I thought he had an accent, but maybe that was, I don't know, zero one or more later in the episode. Yeah, I can't remember.
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And then back on Island, Boone's mood worsens as he later ends up confronting Saeed, warning him to stay away from Shannon.
Confrontation with Saeed and Discovery of the Hatch
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Saeed doesn't back down though, and before the tension really escalates, Locke intervenes, basically calling out to Boone and saying he found some fresh tracks just to get him to come with him. And in the jungle, Locke advises Boone not to make an enemy of Saeed as they will want him on their side.
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And Boone talks about how people are asking questions about the lack of boar, but Locke replies, what we're doing here is more important. He then reaches down and uncovers the metallic structure that they discovered at the end of episode 11. Said really doesn't back down. He was like, Boone was like, oh, I suggest you like stop talking to her. And he was like, what if I don't? What are you going to do?
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Like, and and I kind of like that because I think Boone kind of thinks very highly of himself as of right now. And Saeed kind of put him in his place a little bit there. Yeah, for sure.
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And then, you know, Locke, of course, bringing it up, but they're not even going to go get me. It's so dumb. I would be, I would like, I'm kind of mad at, at John Locke and balloon for that, because ah yeah you know, at least, at least get a little bit of the meat. And what you we don't even know you saying like, Oh yeah, this is so much more important. We don't even know what it could be. Nothing could be nothing. And then I also, last thing I want to say, it seemed like it was so much closer to the island this episode than it was when we discovered it at the end of episode 11. The end of episode 11, it seemed like they were in the middle of nowhere and it took them hours to get there. Yet this episode, it was like 20 minutes away or 10, 20 minutes away from camp. So, I don't know. Well, that wouldn't fit the plot line if it was that far of a walk. Fair, but still, I don't know.
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Weird. Yeah, no, I hear you. And then in the next scene, Hurley is talking to Jack about some digestive issues that he's been experiencing.
Locke's Secrets and Boone's Revelation
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He asks him about doctor patient confidentiality and then gets into some stuff he's been dealing with. Jack tells him he could use some protein, which causes Hurley to once again, bring up the boar.
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And after Jack and Hurley part ways, Jack stumbles across Kate in the jungle and they seem to be sort of making up from the intensity at the end of the last episode. And Kate takes Jack to a garden where Sun is planting seeds and Jack says, this will be great since the boar is running out. But Kate has the theory that maybe it isn't running out, but rather Locke is keeping it from everyone else.
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And we then go back to lock and boon at the structure. And lock refers to the structure as a hatch that has no handle and no latch. And they discuss how they're going to get it open, Nick. But also this is the first time we hear it referred to as the hatch in the show.
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Interesting. So I'm assuming that that means we're going to hear a lot more, you know, things about the hatch later is what that means. Yeah. and That's actually not a bad theory from Kate that locks recording it. I, you know, that's not bad and at all. I would, if I was in her situation, I would think the exact same thing, but that's not the case. And she's stupid, but really, you know, he's just doing something more important.
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which I just said it wasn't, but it kind of is, but it's kind of not at the same time. I don't know. I'm kind of, I'm conflicted because well yeah you're going to be conflicted because you don't know. I'm going to be completed because I don't know. I don't know. I would tell you from experience, it is more important than finding the boar. But like these people don't have protein. That's true. it's So problematic.
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there's also a plane full of people who have crashed on an island and two of them are trying to get a magical hatch open while there's, you know, 38 or 40 other of them that are just kind of standing around doing nothing. Maybe they should learn how to hunt some boars. Fair, very fair, very fair. Yeah, I actually like that point. But yeah, I don't know. I guess it's important I'm just mad because i if I were there I would really want some boar. Yeah.
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I think it was funny that Hurley was the one who was who kept bringing it up over and over again, right? but Yeah. um i I think Sun is amazing. I think Sun is actually one of the best characters on the island for like like making like a living. The garden, the whole thing with the um the herbs and helping Claire and stuff like that. Sun is great.
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Oh yeah, it sounds a great character. Yeah. um And only going to get better as the show goes on. I believe it. And then we zoom to our second off-island flashback where Boone knocks on the door of a house and Shannon's boyfriend Brian answers. Boone enters looking for Shannon and when she comes in the room she looks
Flashback: Shannon's Manipulation
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surprised to see him.
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Boone says, I just spent 15 hours on a plane to come here. And Shannon says, listen, this isn't really a good time. Why don't you give me a call tomorrow? Seemingly trying to hide something from Brian. And while Brian has his back to her, Shannon pulls back her hair to reveal a large bruise on her face and Boone leaves.
Locke's Hallucination Experiment on Boone
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So what were you thinking in this moment, Nick, before you got to some of the other stuff that transpired in the episode?
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I was thinking that Brian was a horrible boyfriend and was beating the crap out of Shannon and that Boone was going to have to do something about it and that he was going to do something about it. That's really what I thought. And then I was like, wow. I was like, I can't believe that makes sense why they're in Australia. They were on their way back home after Australia, you know? And then it just takes the most craziest turn ever in a million years.
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Yeah, for sure. But in that moment, I was like, Oh, yeah, Boone's gonna have to save her and make sure that he stops hitting her or whatever. That's what I thought. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty intense. Most certainly. And then back on Island, Hurley catches up to Jen and tries to communicate with him. He has a spear looking thing and is wanting Jen to teach him how to fish.
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Jin chuckles to himself, shakes his head, speaks in Korean, and points Hurley in the opposite direction, to which Hurley replies dejectively, you just said something mean, didn't you? Can I say really fast? I love this whole interaction between Hurley and Jin. It is my favorite it is my one of my favorite parts of this episode.
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their whole interaction. It is so funny. Oh my goodness. It is. It's one of the reasons Hurley is like my favorite character in the show, is stuff like this. He's so funny. And i this actually made me appreciate and like Jin a lot more, like a lot, a lot more. I don't know what, like why he's changing. Maybe he's going back to the original Jin that we saw from the Son in the House of the Rising Sun episode, you know, kind of like before he started working for Son's father.
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And, you know, maybe he's like, you know, becoming, dare I say, normal again. I thought he was great in this episode. and I really liked him. Yeah, and I'm with you, the the dialogue here, because I feel like there was also some other stuff that really said, I think he asked him so something, of the effect, are you sure you don't speak English? yeah Didn't he also like say, after Jen didn't reply, he said, your wife is hot or something like that? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, trying to trying to trying to get him to like, get angry or something. Yeah, that was hilarious. Yeah, he's he's just an idiot.
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And then back to Boone who is fixated on returning to camp to tell Shannon about their discovery of the hatch. Locke disagrees saying Shannon and the others at the beach aren't ready to know. And Locke asks why Boone cares so much about Shannon and he replies very angrily or he's very agitated. He's like, you don't know her man. She's smart and she's special in a lot of ways. And Locke replies, fair enough. And then asks, you're sure? You're sure you've thought through the ramifications? Boone says yes. And as Boone walks away, Locke knocks him out. And Boone awakens tied to a tree while Locke is spreading a mysterious paste on his head wound.
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And Locke says, I'm doing this boon because it's time for you to let go of some things. And you're going to thank me for this later. Locke leaves a knife just out of Boone's reach saying with the proper motivation, you'll be able to cut yourself free. What a wild scene here. I, I love John Locke. I love John Locke so much. He's such a cool character.
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Oh, absolutely. When he originally did this, I was like, why are you doing this? Why? Why are you doing this? And I was really, really confused now seeing like what the the the truth is. This is amazing. Like, this is so amazing. It's both amazing and at the same time, super inappropriate and creepy. Yes. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I What do I think? What am I trying to say? um I love this particular scene. i think I think Locke is right not to tell Shannon. and I think telling Shannon it does not make any sense. Like, why would you tell Shannon? Yeah. That makes zero sense. She's objectively been the the like the most least helpful person on this island. Right. She's the last person you would tell. Yeah, she's the last person you would tell.
00:14:33
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and Like she wouldn't help anybody. And I feel like she would just run her mouth and she would go and tell people. ah Maybe I'm wrong, but track that's what it seems. Yeah. I'm track record. I mean, like like, that's what it seems like. Yeah. And then I love the whole set up here.
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And I love that he's like, you'll when you when you have the motivation, you'll be able to do this. Like that's such a cool line too. Oh, I think he's such a cool character. Oh yeah. Hands down he is a, I mean, he's undeniably a top five character character and yeah I would find, I could argue to anyone probably that he's a top two character in the show. Yeah.
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Vision number one. Well, I don't want to reveal all of my secrets yet. Okay. All right.
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And then we head into our third flashback at an Australian police station. Boone learns that the authorities are not going to intervene with Brian. He's trying to get them involved. And throughout the course of that conversation, we also find out for the first time in the show that Shannon is his stepsister and not the soul blood sister. Did not know this. Yeah, we did not know that. So that was a ah pretty big twist at the time of watching it.
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And then frustrated that the police are not going to intervene, Boone ends up showing up to, I guess, Brian's boat dock or whatever was going on there. yeah And he offers Brian 50K to break up with Shannon and writes him a check on the spot. So a few things. One, why not specify that she's your stepsister? Like why, you know? Right.
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I feel like they're really. Especially if you're going to be so possessive. Yeah, exactly. It's potential scooters. It's really weird and stuff. Like, I don't know. It's really weird. um Also, Sawyer Cameo in the police office. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I forgot all about that. What is what is he getting arrested for? What does Sawyer do?
00:16:56
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that may be forthcoming. I'm just so curious, what did Sawyer do? Maybe, maybe the producers will give us another Sawyer-centric episode in the near future. I hope so. I actually really like the Sawyer episode. Oh yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, I mean, 50K, because he kind of wagers, he kind of bargains, negotiates. He's like, he's like, oh, I'll give you 25K on the spot, and he's like, make it 50K, and you got yourself a deal.
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He's like, Oh, okay. Yeah. so And then back on Island, Kate and son are planning in the garden and Kate is just talking to sort of hear herself talk until she realizes that son had a visible response to something she said and that she can speak English and son asks her to please not tell anyone. Kate doesn't understand how Jen doesn't know. And son tells her it's because she loves him.
00:17:57
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And then Hurley is struggling to catch fish and Jen is giving him a hard time. But then Hurley steps on a sea urchin, and he, this was this is a hilarious exchange, but he he basically is telling Jin over and over, you're gonna have to pee on it, you're gonna have to pee on it, man. And Jin is like, no, no, no, not doing that. And then later, yeah, it was so funny. And
Character Dynamics and Humorous Interactions
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then, you know, there was also some heartwarming stuff between Jin and Hurley, because later Jin ends up bringing Hurley a fish that's already been cleaned. So some super fun scenes.
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Yeah, but I still love the, the Jin and Hurley bit. I think it's so, I think it's so funny. Their whole interaction is awesome. And oh my goodness. I just, I, I love Hurley's character and I, I really, I love Hurley's dynamic with um other characters more specifically. Like I love his dynamic with Charlie. I love his dynamic with Jack. I love his dynamic like with Kate, even with when he was like, oh, she's a fricking criminal man. And he's like,
00:18:57
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and stressing out and stuff like even stuff like that. I think that's like so funny. And it's just a part of his character. I love his interactions like that. Also, son, you can't be you can't be letting people learn about your identity thing like that. That's a recipe for disaster. Yeah. Yeah. Could you imagine though, if you were in that scenario, yeah like, how perfect you would have to be at all times to not let it slip to so Oh, yeah, I shouldn't do it. But you know,
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ah She has to experience that living a lie. No, I'm not explore. Maybe I am and you don't know And you're so good. I'm so good that you just don't know That's true. It could be
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Meanwhile, while all of this is going on, Locke sneaks up on Said and they chat about Russo's maps, which Said is still trying to decipher. And Locke also tries to build some camaraderie with Said by telling him a story and then giving him a compass. And Said says, wait, don't you need this? And Locke replies, not anymore. So interesting response from Mr. Island, John Locke himself there. So wise.
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He's so wise. He's so... I feel like he's really... Why doesn't he need a compass anymore? ah Because he knows. He just he just knows. The island is his compass? Yeah, no, he just knows. like he's He's just like that. Yeah. That's the way I take it. He's just freaking awesome.
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You know, it was it's kind of interesting. I feel like that's the the second time that he's been really close with Said. The first time when he gave Said the knife, ah talking about like, oh, maybe Sawyer was the one who art attacked you or whatever, when that happened, when that whole ordeal went down a while ago. Both times he's been manipulating Said a little bit. A little bit, yeah.
00:21:01
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I don't know. I love his character so much. I do too. I mean, I absolutely love his character. Yeah. And his his flashback episodes, probably his and Jack's are consistently the best flashback episodes. I believe that. But yeah, lot Locke is still, you know, despite the fact he's a great character, like he's definitely a manipulative individual. Yes. I agree.
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And then back to Boone, who Locke has been consistently manipulating. Boone awakes and struggles against his bonds when he hears Shannon screaming.
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They yell back and forth to each other and she says, I'm tied up too. They then hear the monster and Boone stretches himself until he is able to reach the knife that Locke left. He frees himself, finds Shannon tied up and they run through the jungle as the monster is making loud noises and chasing them. And they hide in the trunk and shelter of some trees while the monster rages on the outside.
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And in the next scene, Syed approaches Jack and asks where North is. Jack looks at the sun and tells him his thoughts. And Syed says, that's correct, but that isn't what this compass is telling me. So Syed and Jack discussed Locke's unusual compass, which seems to be defective. And Jack asks him where he saw Locke. So Jack was doing a lot of, uh, as we'll come to later, he was doing a lot of checking up on Locke this episode as well.
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And then we return to Boone and Shannon, who eventually emerge, seemingly safe. And Shannon asks, what did you do to that psycho to piss him off? And Boone deflects and says, let's go back to camp. So a lot going on there, Nick, to unpack. I mean, Shannon's there. So did Boone just like pass out or like fall asleep?
00:22:59
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while being tied up?
Island Mysteries and Locke's Enigma
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I think so, yeah. Kind of seems that way because he kind of he kind of wakes up and then Shannon's there. Yeah. I mean, that was my first like kind of clue to what's really going on here. Right. Yeah. And why did he tie Shannon up? That wouldn't make sense. Like that wouldn't make sense for for lock to do. I feel like like lock is He's manipulative, but I think he has a reason. And he kind of is like, he's playing a game of like mental chess and he's thinking like however many steps ahead. I feel like he's very, he's a very thought out character.
00:23:34
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ahha Yeah. He lets Boone persevere and yada yada yada. They see, we actually see what seemed the monster for like a second. um It seems to be like a bird like creature from what I saw. Yeah, I was gonna ask you, you know, I know that you've been waiting and waiting and waiting and and probably hoping to get any glimpse of the monster. And yeah, this was the episode where I couldn't remember if we really got that and Even when I watched it back getting ready for this like the first time watching I was doing something else. Yeah. Not paying full attention. So I had to kind of like rewind as I was preparing tonight because I was like, Okay, did we see it? or Did we not see it in this episode? Yeah, it kind of looks bird like with wings. I don't know if I'm like crazy or from seeing things. That's kind of what I got at. Okay, is that it looks bird like.
00:24:25
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Yeah, you couldn't see him very well this episode. You get better vantage point in upcoming episodes. Okay, good. Said in the whole compass bit, maybe the compass just doesn't work. I don't know. I don't think John Locke would give Said the compass to try and like mess with him.
00:24:47
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I feel like that's reading into something that's not existing. Because like I said, I think Locke is a very well thought out character. Why would Locke give him a faulty compass? Like what would what would be the purpose of that? He doesn't have anything against Said. He actually said earlier this summer episode he wants Said on his side. So why would he give him a faulty compass? That doesn't make sense. Yeah, I don't think he would. I think the and think you have to read further into this one based on stuff that's happened in previous episodes yeah already.
00:25:14
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and comments that have been made. um Do you remember the episode where all of their stuff was being washed into the ocean because the tide was changing so quickly? And they made the comment that nothing on this island functions as it should. Yeah, it's kind of like an island thing. I think that that's what they're wanting you to think back to when this scene happened. Yeah. And just thinking through, okay,
00:25:42
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There's something off about this island. I think that is what the whole point is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then what did you do to that psycho to piss him off? I mean, I still, like, even if you, like, even if you're Boone and you've hung out with John Locke that much recently, you, I feel like you would know, like, that's not the kind of person or character he is. The kind of person to, like, if you say something, tie you, knock you out, tie you up,
00:26:09
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tie your your c sister up and then almost kill you with the monster. You know, that just doesn't seem like his character. I feel like especially, especially knowing the monster exists there. I feel like he would have, you know, he's a lot like, well, um more thought out with that. You know, right? It does beg the question, though, before we even get into, you know, kind of the twist that happened later.
00:26:36
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Obviously listeners were hoping you have watched the episode anyway, yeah so you know what happened. now But it it begs the question, like why would, it's it's interesting, I guess, yeah that Locke would put Boone in that situation of tying him up in the jungle, knowing that the monsters is out there on the loose. But it also kind of harkens back to the fact that Locke is one of the few people at this juncture that has actually seen the monster. right And so, you know, that's all very interesting to think about and theorize. Yeah, I completely forgot about that. Oh, what a great dude. What a freaking great scene. Oh, yeah. I think he he knows the monster. I don't want to say wouldn't hurt him because that doesn't seem right. But I think he knows that he would be safe, that boom would be safe. He gives him a knife to defend himself, too.
00:27:35
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And he clearly had, he clearly could reach it. And if he's being threatened by the monster, he'll probably have, he'll probably have the same amount of motivation to save his life. You know? Right. Based on what we know of the monster so far and and how easily the monster tore through the pilot out of the cockpit though. I'm not certain a knife would do anything. That's very true. It's very true. But yeah, we'll find out more. Yeah.
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And then in our next flashback, Boone is at the house to collect Shannon and her luggage after paying Brian off. And Brian comes into the room and and lays it all out for Boone and causes Boone to realize that he has been manipulated, that Shannon orchestrated the whole drama in an attempt to get money from Boone's mother. And Boone is humiliated and lets his emotions get the better of him, resulting in a fight between he and Brian. And Boone leaves the house bloodied and rejected.
00:28:33
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I felt so bad for Bernie. scene I mean, seriously, he finds out that Shannon has been stealing money from him multiple times and multiple times that money has been just like not even used for anything. Shannon hasn't even used the money. Just the guy that she's dating has like bolted. And it happens again in this episode. And then to to worsen the fact Boone gets his butt handed to him by this guy.
00:29:01
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So wow yeah, you couldn't help but feel some sympathy. Yeah. And then back on Island, Jack approaches locked on the beach as he stares out into the ocean. And Jack says, it's been a while since you and I talked, John. They talk about how they're both busy men. Jack asks, where's Boone? You two have been attached to the hip all week and lock jokes. Let me check my hip and then laughs.
00:29:26
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And Jack then asks him how the boar hunting is going and and Locke feeds him a line about how the boar are beginning to migrate based on their predators, their human predators. And then in our next scene with Jack, we see him talking to Charlie and he's asking how Charlie is doing and they see Locke sitting off to the distance still. And Jack asks what Charlie thinks Locke's story is.
00:29:51
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And Charlie replies that on first impression, the guy's a freak of nature, highly disturbed, and chances are he probably killed all his mates at the post office the day his mom forgot to put a cookie in his lunch tin. So that was a great line by Charlie. But he then talks about how Locke saved his life, and Jack asks, so you trust him? And Charlie replies, no offense, man, but if there's one person on this island I would put my absolute faith in to save us all, it would be John Locke.
00:30:17
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So a lot of doubt about him and conversation about who Locke is in this episode, Nick. And it's clear that Jack is on to Locke and wondering what's up.
Debate on Locke's Leadership and Trustworthiness
00:30:25
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ah Yeah. I mean, I liked Locke's banter, the like being attached by the hip. I felt it was funny. But I feel like he was kind of.
00:30:36
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at the same time with that banter he was trying to ease the situation a little too much like it didn't seem normal it didn't seem like normal John Locke you know it seemed like something was up but what even is normal John Locke right because he is such an enigma that's true like personality wise he's he's all over the place and It's almost like you never know what you're going to get. But he's not the cracking jokes kind of guy, you know? Yeah, up to this point, he hasn't really been that, yeah. So that's the way I see it. And then the boar beginning to migrate. that that i'm I don't even believe that's false. I think he probably told me the truth there. Is that, you know, it's been getting harder. Why would he lie about that? That tracks. Yeah.
00:31:21
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The only thing that i I disagree with with Charlie is he said, if there's one person to to save us all, you know, I would put my faith in John Locke. Okay, fair. I agree with you. But for your specific case, Jack saved your life.
00:31:37
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Jack saved your life. yeah but That's ah you know kind of a low blow to say that to Jack. Yeah. And like, not intentionally, but like, it just kind of is. Right. I feel like john ah Jack and John Locke are the two leaders of the the island, if you will, with Said being a close third. And I don't know. I really do think um that was kind of rude of Charlie, especially after Jack saved his life. Yeah, no, I'm with you.
00:32:07
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so
00:32:09
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And then finally back to Boone and Shannon after what felt like a very long delay to their story resolution. After some nagging by Shannon, Boone reveals the existence of the hatch to Shannon.
00:32:21
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But continues to support lock and talk about how awesome he is. And as they're talking, the monster returns and comes flying out of the ground. And so this is what you had alluded to earlier when you said that. So it kind of looks like a bird like creature. Yes. And so they run again, but this time the monster grabs Shannon as Boone screams hysterically.
00:32:42
Speaker
So what did you think about the scene? And you know you mentioned how you feel like the monster is, or looks like a bird-like creature, but but just where are you at on the monster in general and you know your mindset, your theories of what it is, how it got there, what it's trying to accomplish, if anything? I think it's just living and trying to yeah i get some food.
00:33:05
Speaker
Yeah. And maybe the human makes good food. I don't know. I think it just kind of exists. I don't, you know. Why didn't they eat Locke? This is true. I genuinely have no answer for that.
00:33:18
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i I don't know. I think it's very, very hard because Locke, maybe it was scared of Locke, maybe it talked to Locke, maybe Locke, maybe it senses fear or something. I don't know. I literally have no idea when it comes to that. I just think maybe it's, i mean and this, also, this depiction of the monster, is it real?
00:33:41
Speaker
Right. ah So it's kind of hard to base things off of it because I said it was Birdlock, or Birdlock, but I said it was Birdlock, but it might not be because this is Boone's drugged perception of it.
00:33:56
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That's how I see it. Yeah.
00:34:01
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And then we flip to our final flashback and at his hotel, Boone is just kind of sitting in his room, sulking, still bloodied from his interaction with Brian. yeah Shannon shows up drunk saying that Brian left with the money and Boone reacts coldly and says, so the player got played. Shannon then tells Boone that he brought her the money because he's in love with her. She seduces Boone who gives in despite his better judgment.
00:34:31
Speaker
And the next morning, Shannon becomes cold again, telling him she wants things to go back to the way they were. And ultimately crushing boots hope. So all right. This little thing just got weird. Yeah, it's really weird. It's really weird. That's really weird. Yes. It's just weird, right? It's stepsister or blood. It's just weird. Yeah. And But it does solidify the visual daggers that Boone was giving Saeed at the beginning of the episode. Yes. You know, that at least makes sense. Yes. um It wasn't him being a protective brother or step-brother as we learned in this episode, but he is actually in love with her. Right. A mixture of anger and jealousy towards Saeed. Yeah. i I'll give a little bit of a spoiler. Shannon is in my bottom three from this episode. I figured. I didn't like her here.
00:35:22
Speaker
I just thought she was so annoying. She was manipulative, she was she seduces Boom just so he's not like mad at her. She's kind of horrible. Boom was just trying to help and she's just horrible over and over and over and over again. He like defends her, especially from Locke when he was like, oh yeah, she's actually a lot smarter than you know. No, she's not smarter than you know. She's an idiot because she let this guy steal $50,000 from you. so like you know? Yeah. Well, how smart are we? Right. And then back on island as we close the episode out, Boone finds Shannon's lifeless and bloody body by a stream and mourns her death.
Boone's Epiphany from Hallucination
00:36:05
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However, when he goes to confront Locke at the camp,
00:36:08
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Locke points out that Shannon is alive and unharmed, laughing with Said, and so Boone realizes that Locke's paste was hallucinogenic, forcing him to confront his deep-seated feelings for Shannon. And reluctantly, Boone admits that when Shannon died, he felt relieved.
00:36:26
Speaker
and satisfied Locke nods and says, yes, time to let go and tells Boone to follow him. And as Locke's theme song plays, Boone gets up out of the sand and follows his leader into the jungle. And we fade to black with, phew, lost, hitting our screens. And another episode is in the books, Nick. Fannan's death left me genuinely speechless. That might've been the most speechless I've been in the show. Yeah. The twist of lunch, she's actually still alive and she's fine.
00:36:56
Speaker
Yeah. And another red herring, right? Because we had the red herring of Charlie's death. yeah Now we've had the red herring of Shannon's death. Oh my goodness. When is someone actually going to die in this show? Yeah, and but like here's the only thing for me is Shannon's death felt more...
00:37:11
Speaker
Sad, but like, but like not sad. You know, like, oh like like, sad, sad and sad. Let me say this. Sad, but not sad, but also gruesome. Gruesome, yeah. Charlie's death, quote, quote, because he's not dead, felt so eerie. Like, like the way you see him hanging from that tree is legitimately terrifying. It's so terrifying when you see him hanging from that tree. Yeah. Like, it like my heart dropped when I saw him.
00:37:40
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hanging from that tree. And then also, Boone is like a psycho. Like, I was satisfied when she died. That's crazy. Yeah, that's insane. And to say that you were satisfied when your step sister who you previously loved, like, you know, and are like possess him over, and you're satisfied, that's crazy. what What I'm interested in is Locke said, that's what it made you see.
00:38:10
Speaker
So that too, it could have made him see a bunch of stuff and that's what it made him see. I wonder if Locke has done it before and Locke has seen something else, yes. I would say he probably has. He probably has. That would make the most sense to me. Because how would he even know to do that and tap into the island in that way? Yeah.
00:38:39
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so
00:38:42
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Also, two two things before we get to our to our scheduled program. Sure. One, where's Rose? I'm gonna ask in every single episode, where's Rose? Yeah, Rose is a, she's a pinch hitter. she She stops in here and there and, you know. She seems so pivotal with Charlie. Yeah. And like,
00:39:09
Speaker
Every single time she's on screen, I love it. And she seems so wise and she seems great. But then also my second question, where is Claire? Where is Claire? Making me mad that they're not going out and trying to find her. Yeah, you know, you would think that they'd be more worried about that right now than yeah finding war. Yeah. So, I don't know.
00:39:41
Speaker
Yeah, very interesting. Thank you. All right, well, it is time for Most Loved, Most Hated segment. Yes. And this is the segment of our show where we talk about which characters are trending up and which ones are trending down, who we are loving and who we're hating on at the current moment. So as always, I'm going to kick it over to you, Nick. Top three, we're going to go Hurley Lock Said.
00:40:07
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All right. I'm pretty fast on that. I'm pretty solid on that honorable mention, who I wouldn't put in my top three, but I really enjoyed this episode was Jhin. Yeah. Thought he was a great character. Bottom three, we're going to start from the worst and work our way up to my least, my least worst, my least hated of the three. Shannon was definitely my least hated or sorry, my most hated. Okay. You're both hated. Okay. I thought in the flashbacks, it just shows how much of like,
00:40:38
Speaker
like annoying and how horrible of a person she was. Yeah, it just confirmed everything we thought about her from away from the island. Exactly. Exactly. Whereas Boon, Boon helps a little bit, right? Like seeing him off island, I feel like helped the way I felt about him some. Agreed. Aside from the weird stuff sibling. Yeah, exactly. If I have to go to my second Most hated, I'm probably gonna go on Brian, I hated him. yeah He was annoying, wasn't even Australian, so that made me even more mad, obviously. The question is, how mad are you gonna be if you go back and re-listen to the episode and he does have an Australian accent? Oh, I'll be so mad, I'll be so mad.
00:41:29
Speaker
I don't think he did that. That may happen. but I think there's like an 80% chance that could happen. I feel like if he did, I would have I would have made a mental note of it. Yeah. But then again, I did watch it a fair amount of amount ago. True. Yeah. listeners for your benefit. We usually try to record this podcast right after Nick has watched the episode. Fortunately, given some, ah you know, busyness in life, we had about a week delay before we were able to do this one. So correct. So yeah,
00:41:59
Speaker
I think if I had to go, I don't even know who's in my three year. I don't know. Cause usually I'd be like, Oh, Jen's an easy one to put in my most hated because he's been awful, but he wasn't even bad this episode. He was great. I'm torn between two characters and I think one of them will surprise you. I think the other one will not. All right. Boone is the one I think won't surprise you.
00:42:22
Speaker
yeah i'm not surprised there i still think he was weird and i still think he was shooting daggers or staring daggers at sai and he is being protective and weird and all this stuff my second one and this is the one i think is surprising is kate oh okay and it's not because i it's not because i hate her i i don't like her coming off of the last episode i don't really like her coming off of the last episode that's one two i don't know what it was just the approach of her like with the whole Sun thing, I feel like she was so, like and I feel like she was rude about it. I don't know if that's like me interpreting it like that. I just felt she was rude towards Sun about the fact that she speaks English and she didn't tell anybody. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if it really hit me that way. I could see how it could, I suppose. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm just a hate-hater.
00:43:19
Speaker
It could be. I mean look i it's ah hate Walt. so Historical context plays a lot into how you are feeling about people and characters. Yeah. and you know Recency bias is a real thing and you maybe have some recency bias from the last episode. Yeah. I think that's i think that's what I'm going with.
00:43:44
Speaker
All right, I like it. I think for me, most most loved right now, I could get on board with your top three. I'm not sure at this juncture that Said is in my top three. I think my top three most most loved or intriguing characters right now are Locke, Hurley, and Charlie would probably be in the top three. yeah And then Said would be in the top five if I was going five.
00:44:13
Speaker
Okay. And I'm not sure who my fifth would be. I'd have to whittle that down some. Probably Jack. Yeah, potentially Jack. Yeah, it could be. um Although, like you said, Son is a great character, and the more we get a the more we get of her in season one too, I think you're going to continue to like her character more and more.
00:44:35
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As far as most hated Absolutely Shannon is the most most hated Yeah, and I don't know that she'll ever leave that list unless she leaves the show Hate to say that about a character, but it's true and Yeah, obviously, you know once again the off island characters are delivering as being absolute jerks So Brian is definitely on that list And then even though Boone redeemed, I don't know, he redeemed himself a little bit this episode in some ways. Yeah, but I feel like he's still kind of like a, like a jerk. Yeah. got do too I think he's still absolutely in my top three most hated at this juncture. Yeah. Cause I'm with you, the gin, you know, this episode gin took a few steps. So I wouldn't have him in there in the right direction. Yeah. Yeah. And Michael didn't get enough FaceTime for me to bring him up this time. So.
00:45:34
Speaker
All right, awesome. So then let's jump into our theories and predictions portion. So what you got? I mean, I know we've been kind of sprinkling these in throughout the episodes, but anything else you wanted to tie up on this? I mean, I don't think so. I don't really think I have much. I and i will say I do think this is a theory. I don't know if this is true. I mean, it's a theory for a reason. I think John Locke could develop, like, I don't want to say a cult following, the kind of a cult following.
00:46:04
Speaker
And like Boon was his first like sort of subject to this, especially since he's so good at manipulation. I think he could develop like a cult following. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And I think Boon is like right hand man as of right now.
00:46:21
Speaker
I don't know, everything else I think I sprinkled in there, the whole thing about like how it looks bird-like, all that stuff, but it you know really could maybe not be bird-like because that's just one thing. Yeah, I have no theories of what's down in the hatch. I have no idea. It could be a series of underground tunnels. um It could also be something relating to the previous people on the island or the people currently on the island.
00:46:48
Speaker
so Yeah. All it does is raise more and more and more questions. Yeah. At this moment. Cause yeah, I remember when I was watching it for the first time, I had no idea. Right. No thoughts about what was in it or how they're going to get in it. Yeah. No clue.
00:47:09
Speaker
Well, thank you listeners for tuning into the Lost with My Uncle podcast. Next time we will be discussing episode 14, which is called special. So as we've been doing here recently, Nick, any guesses on which character that episode is going to focus on? Okay. So it could be a new character, but I feel like it could also be a repeat. It's not gonna be Kate. It's not gonna be Jack. That's like 100%.
00:47:37
Speaker
I'm saying it's either John Locke or Sawyer. I'm leaning towards John Locke. I think John Locke is my guess. Final answer. Final answer. All right. Unfortunately, that is not correct. um but I think you're going to be excited to, I'll tell you this, it is a great episode. It's interesting because this is kind of a, it's another Boone Shannon type of episode where we get multiple characters.
00:48:04
Speaker
Okay. So this, this one is a Walt and Michael flashback. Interesting. I would not expect them to be called special. Interesting. Okay. I mean, once you watch it, you'll understand why it was titled that naturally. Okay. ah So ah what we're, what I'm, what I'm hearing is that I'll have both Walt and Michael down at the bottom of my list. Next episode.
00:48:31
Speaker
There is some potential for that, or who knows? Maybe they will completely jump out of your most hated box. High rocket to the top? Yeah. Interesting. It's a very interesting episode, I will say that. All right. ah You could say a special episode. Yeah, you could say that. Love it. All right. So be sure to watch it, listeners, and join us for the discussion. And don't forget to subscribe, follow, or leave a review, depending on where you're listening.
00:49:00
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And we look forward to seeing you next time. Cannot wait. Woo!
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