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Episode 10: Witch Bitches - Agatha All Along (Eps 8 &9) with Uxy
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"ALTHOUGH WE'VE COME....TO THE END OF THE ROOOOOADDDD....STILL I CAN'T LET GOOOOOO. Its unnatural! You belong to me! I belong to you!" - Boys II Men, but also kinda Billy Maximoff.
Holy shit, we hit a whole 10 episodes! Join us as we cross into double digits with Uxy, discussing the final two episodes of Agatha All Along. Spoilers throughout (and maybe for the Boys too, but that's less important.)
Opinions shared by the hosts and/or guests of Real Hot Nerd Shit are their own and do not represent any workplace or organization with whom they may or may not be affiliated.
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Meet the Hosts
00:00:26
Ryan
Welcome to Real Hot Nerd Shit, a pop culture podcast where real hot nerds talk about real nerd shit. I'm your host Ryan.
00:00:34
Shauna (she/her)
And I'm your co-host Shana.
Series Finale Introduction
00:00:36
Ryan
And today we're here to talk about Agatha All Along, the series finale, episodes eight and nine with our very brilliant Rich. Uxy
00:00:47
Uxy
hey
00:00:49
Ryan
Good to see you, good to see you. Oops, he's running this this wig into the dirt, although not this Halloween's wig.
Halloween Costume Talk
00:00:58
Ryan
This is obviously from um previous ah wigs, because what was your Halloween's costume with us this year?
00:00:58
Uxy
and
00:01:05
Ryan
Our Coven of Witches?
00:01:06
Uxy
ah Nancy Downs and my husband Sarah, very lesbian coded.
00:01:09
Ryan
Work. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. very much so. Sean and I went as ah Willow and Dark Willow from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which inspired a hysterical, what do you mean?
00:01:26
Ryan
i hate how I hate gay Halloween. What do you mean you're both willows?
00:01:32
Shauna (she/her)
so
00:01:33
Ryan
On the off chance that there's someone listening to this podcast that doesn't know what Sean and I look like, um we Neither of us really looks like Willa Rosenberg, although one of us um definitely looks a lot more like Willa Rosenberg than the other.
00:01:50
Shauna (she/her)
Look.
00:01:50
Ryan
In this instance, it was me.
00:01:53
Shauna (she/her)
It's true. I was good. I'm glad. I'm glad you said it because I was going to agree with you. I was like, that's the end.
00:01:58
Ryan
Yeah, thank you.
00:02:00
Shauna (she/her)
Look, you did ah you did do a great like your makeup work on like the veins and the lines was fantastic.
00:02:09
Ryan
Thanks, I mean, i I was relatively satisfied with them. I wish I would have figured out a way to make them, like, I mean, I i tried really hard to like reapply and and set it and shit, but I'm sorry, there's, Ooxie shaved with his entire face. Like, I i spent like 35 minutes rushidly applying, you know, blue eyeliner to my, or purple eyeliner to my face to make fake veins and Ooxie is mug-balled.
00:02:37
Uxy
I beat my face to the gods.
00:02:39
Ryan
Yeah, yeah.
00:02:39
Uxy
It was then regretted it almost immediately.
00:02:44
Ryan
It was really good. Your outfit, I mean, I'm gonna be honest, all of our outfits were but really, really good. James' wig was so unsettlingly good.
00:02:53
Shauna (she/her)
So good.
00:02:56
Uxy
Which is why he wanted to wear that into the ground the whole weekend. He was like, for Halloween, we're I'm using this way again. And I was like, well, I'm not bathing, so we will pivot to something else.
00:03:02
Ryan
Yeah.
00:03:03
Shauna (she/her)
Absolutely.
00:03:04
Ryan
Yeah.
Character Embodiment
00:03:07
Ryan
I learned my lesson shaving for a costume when I did it for drag, like how in 16 or 17, like 2016, 2017, and I simply will never do it again.
00:03:18
Ryan
I don't, I commit, like i mean i will I was Willow Rosenberg grieving her partner that was murdered in front of her and thusly so moved
00:03:30
Shauna (she/her)
That's true.
00:03:35
Ryan
Emotionally, that I turn to the darkest arts, but I will not shave my face for that. I simply won't. Nope.
00:03:41
Shauna (she/her)
I also tried to embody my character. I was more than a little gay.
00:03:46
Ryan
yeah You started experimenting with women, is what you mean?
00:03:47
Shauna (she/her)
So. Yeah, just it was that night. It was inspired. I'd never before it was like, oh, what a great idea.
00:03:52
Ryan
Yep. First time. Wow, there's ah there's a first time for everything, you know.
00:03:58
Shauna (she/her)
You know, it was it's all that chapel room. She just has all the lesbianism in
00:04:01
Ryan
Yeah.
New Song Performance
00:04:03
Shauna (she/her)
the air.
00:04:03
Shauna (she/her)
So I was like, what a great idea.
00:04:06
Ryan
Wait, um...
00:04:06
Shauna (she/her)
Which, by the way, did you see her on SNL, by the way?
00:04:10
Uxy
I caught her performance.
00:04:10
Ryan
I... Wait, uh, Uzi, what did you say?
00:04:14
Uxy
I caught her one performance. Yeah, it was John Mulaney and she was a musical guest. So I saw, I didn't see the whole thing, but I saw her Pink Pony, or the Pink Pony Club song that she did.
00:04:19
Ryan
Yeah.
00:04:25
Ryan
Yeah, could you hear the new song?
00:04:25
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, and now she has a new song.
00:04:28
Uxy
No, I haven't.
00:04:28
Shauna (she/her)
It's so good. Oh, it's very good.
00:04:30
Ryan
It's so good.
00:04:30
Shauna (she/her)
You should definitely listen to it.
00:04:32
Uxy
It's on my list.
00:04:32
Ryan
it's It's cute, it's a country song. I mean, all I'm gonna say is um Beyonce's impact, but it is a country song. And she saying she sang the fuck out of it. Her movement around um like fame and how we've seen her like step away and then now like reenter is... I'm really happy that she continues to just be like, leave me the fuck alone, but also don't forget,
00:05:01
Ryan
like
00:05:02
Uxy
Listen to me.
00:05:02
Ryan
That's all just weird. Yeah, exactly. That's just weird background shit that's happening. Listen to my music, it's good. And I'm gonna sing it live.
00:05:10
Uxy
I knew she was going to release something because she was hinting at it for I think this week or the last week.
00:05:11
Shauna (she/her)
And.
00:05:15
Uxy
I think she like put something on Instagram to like, I think it's time for the bitch to change or something like that. And so I was like, well, this will be like literal.
00:05:20
Shauna (she/her)
ah
00:05:23
Uxy
I'm assuming it's new music.
00:05:24
Ryan
Right.
Marvel Release Excitement
00:05:25
Ryan
And in front of the new in front of the agatha finale we got a trailer marvel whoever has taken their um marketing over is doing really well um it was very smart they dropped a preview trailer for like the next year and a half of upcoming projects um and i mean
00:05:56
Ryan
most of them we knew about but some of them we were excitedly reminded were still happening um oh here let's um let's pull it up real quick
00:06:05
Shauna (she/her)
is immediately. Just like we thought it would be.
00:06:08
Ryan
So we get footage from your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man coming out in January, Daredevil born and again in March, which again, all three of us have agreed.
Marvel Series Reflections
00:06:22
Ryan
Charlie Cox's Matt Murdock works. He's so hot.
00:06:28
Ryan
He's so hot. The encounter we get between him and Kingpin at that diner immediately, you know, flood the basement.
00:06:40
Uxy
I'm glad they kept him as kingpin and they're including him and continue.
00:06:41
Ryan
Flood the whole thing.
00:06:43
Shauna (she/her)
He's such a good kingpin.
00:06:46
Ryan
Yeah, but Vincent D'Onofrio.
00:06:46
Shauna (she/her)
Oh. Vincent D'Onfrio, yeah. He just really hits like... You know, and I liked Michael Clark Duncan because I think he had the physical imposingness and like really felt like someone was like, Oh, I can see both why you're in charge of a criminal organization and you could kick someone's ass.
00:06:59
Ryan
Totally.
00:07:05
Shauna (she/her)
Like that was what mark Michael Clark Duncan really brought both of those, but I think Vincent D'Onofrio does too. And a more, like, I think he has like that, you know, savvy business, like.
00:07:17
Shauna (she/her)
I really, he's such a good actor. I'm very, gosh, I'm so excited for more of that. I'm really glad they decided to bring, I mean, they brought John Bernthal back as the Punisher, which I thought was such a good decision because I thought he also did a great, he was a great Punisher.
00:07:30
Shauna (she/her)
ah
00:07:31
Ryan
Yeah, agreed. I also only ever saw clips of the Punisher. I never watched the whole, but he's a great Frank Castle.
00:07:35
Shauna (she/her)
God. See, I never, I only watched it in charitable too. Like, and just in that way was like one of those gap shows that I missed, but like the defenders with Jessica Jones and, um, Luke Cage and like,
00:07:43
Ryan
Right.
00:07:48
Ryan
Yeah. Confession, I never finished Luke Cage.
00:07:55
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm I don't think I watched the second season but I felt that was like where I fell off a bunch of shows like Because I think it my biggest problem is that sometimes the Netflix shows were very grimdark in a way that I just kind of sometimes have to be in the right mood to be like I'm gonna watch this like everything sucks like world like I
00:08:02
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:15
Ryan
Yeah. Totally. Um, I never
00:08:18
Uxy
Yeah. for the ending of Luke Cage. like i could I think i know I know I watched it, but I remember it was a hard watch because either I watched it at the wrong time or I was genuinely just falling asleep because it wasn't great writing at the end because they got axed after that.
00:08:31
Shauna (she/her)
Mm.
00:08:36
Uxy
And I think they knew it was coming beforehand.
00:08:38
Ryan
And I never even bothered with Iron Fist, like I just, I never, no, fundamentally I refuse, like, you you made, you made the car you broke the cardinal, like, contemporary rule, like, we're not just casting white dudes for characters, and like, I get, you know, that character exists and
00:08:40
Uxy
Done. it
00:09:01
Ryan
I think he exists as Iron Fist one time, but like, come on, man. Come on, we can do better than that.
00:09:09
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, I think that it would have been very easy to to be like, you know what, this is something that in this moment in history, we can change in like, kind of them like positively retconned to a different way.
00:09:19
Ryan
Right.
00:09:21
Shauna (she/her)
And like, I get, I get both where it came from, but like, you know what, what if instead of doing the same like blonde white guy again, like we could just do something a little bit different, but really,
00:09:21
Ryan
Right.
00:09:27
Ryan
it
00:09:30
Ryan
right
00:09:32
Uxy
Well, I guess they kind of did that, like because they at the end, yeah, they ended up, like his um like the person, his romantic interest, calling ah calling Wing, right?
00:09:35
Ryan
at the end, right?
00:09:44
Ryan
Yeah.
00:09:44
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:09:45
Uxy
She ends up getting the like power of the Iron Fist at the end of it, which I was like, OK, I'm not mad about that.
00:09:48
Ryan
Which, like that.
00:09:53
Ryan
Yeah. I'm sure that, you know, incels somewhere are mad that it's a girl, but, you know, at least it moved in the right direction um in terms of some representation.
00:10:00
Shauna (she/her)
Always.
00:10:04
Ryan
but Also what if, we're getting what if season 3 before the end of the year. It wasn't in that trailer though, was it?
00:10:11
Uxy
It was. Remember you see that?
00:10:12
Ryan
Was it?
00:10:12
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, because there was the Marvel zombies.
00:10:15
Uxy
Well, that's another episode.
00:10:15
Ryan
Right.
00:10:16
Uxy
but like That's like a whole nother show that they're doing. But um there was like no, it's so I think it's separate because it's like a whole part of a whole separate um trailer that they did with it.
00:10:18
Ryan
Yeah.
00:10:19
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, is it? Oh, I thought it was part of what if. Oh, OK.
00:10:28
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, gosh.
00:10:29
Ryan
Yeah.
00:10:30
Shauna (she/her)
Somewhere, Darrid did a group costume for all of us where we were all Marvel zombies and like it was like made out of foam.
00:10:37
Ryan
Sick.
00:10:39
Shauna (she/her)
Gosh, I wonder, there's got to be pictures somewhere of it. That's ridiculous. Like just unlock that.
00:10:43
Ryan
Who were you? what When was this?
00:10:46
Shauna (she/her)
It's just like. 11-12 years ago, like going to a Comic Con way back when.
00:10:51
Ryan
Dang.
00:10:55
Shauna (she/her)
Like, ugh, I'm not the- I'm a ponder. As I don't even remember who I was in it.
00:11:01
Ryan
Yeah.
00:11:02
Shauna (she/her)
Like literally have no idea.
00:11:03
Ryan
Things that got pushed out.
00:11:05
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, absolutely. Like it was like maybe like Iron Man, but I can't remember if I just remember the Iron Man mask or if I was like what I wore.
00:11:14
Ryan
Right.
Marvel Animation Buzz
00:11:15
Ryan
um We also got animation with Eyes of Wakanda.
00:11:15
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:11:20
Uxy
Yes.
00:11:20
Ryan
We got like a quick look at that. Really excited. um Honestly, surprised I was genuinely surprised that that one didn't get axed or pushed.
00:11:33
Uxy
It kind of did get axed in a way because I think originally when it was pitched it was supposed to be a live action show and instead they made it into like an animated show but
00:11:39
Ryan
Okay.
00:11:43
Uxy
Apparently, like rumor up around the internet, um it's like still canon to like the MCU timeline.
00:11:51
Ryan
Sure.
00:11:52
Shauna (she/her)
Okay.
00:11:52
Uxy
like like and like all And now, like so anything that we've seen like within Wakanda, it's still like within like our universe that we've been in so far, just in cartoon.
00:11:52
Ryan
I don't mind that.
00:11:59
Ryan
I'm cool with that.
00:12:00
Uxy
Yeah.
00:12:01
Ryan
I don't mind. I like a little...change it up. and Like, she could shit can be animated.
00:12:05
Ryan
Then Marvel Zombies is in October of 2025. And then Wonder Man is December 2025. Let's talk about Yahya Abdul-Mateen and how I want him to punch a hole through my midsection and just fuck that instead because...
00:12:29
Uxy
Carry on.
00:12:31
Ryan
so beautiful. He's so beautiful.
00:12:34
Shauna (she/her)
The boys.
00:12:34
Ryan
So beautiful. Is he in the boys?
00:12:38
Shauna (she/her)
No, there was just a character who liked to make holes that he could fuck in the boys, and it just made me think of that.
00:12:43
Ryan
Oh my God, you're so fucking, yep, uh-huh. Sure, sure.
00:12:48
Shauna (she/her)
I well, I wasn't going to elaborate until you because I was like, but that was what made me think of it. I was like, oh, my God, I forgot about that.
00:12:54
Ryan
Yeah.
00:12:54
Shauna (she/her)
That shows so weird anyways.
00:12:55
Ryan
um are you or Did you get caught up? Was it you that just said you finished?
00:12:59
Shauna (she/her)
I did. I'm, yes, I just got caught up with the most recent season and I'm very happy. Like it was a great bench.
00:13:06
Ryan
It was, it was a great season. um Did we start talking about when we were together, the conspiracy, that my My, oh wow, this assassination attempt feels familiar.
00:13:18
Shauna (she/her)
Oh yeah. I remember you mentioning something of that. And I was like, so I was kind of keeping an eye out for that moment. I was like, you but you're right though.
00:13:25
Ryan
Yeah.
00:13:26
Shauna (she/her)
Like.
00:13:28
Ryan
um I need to make a i mean to make them note that I'm gonna talk about a spoiler when I'm editing this.
00:13:29
Shauna (she/her)
That's what I'm.
00:13:35
Ryan
I'll probably edit it and listen to it in real time. but um so In The Boys, this most recent season, now that all three of us are caught up, oopsie, you're caught up, right?
00:13:47
Ryan
You were silent, sorry.
00:13:48
Uxy
Yes.
00:13:49
Ryan
Yes. um So in the most recent season, Homelander is positioned as sort of like Trump, if we're being just, like, if we're just calling, calling it what it is, you know, he's this like actual demigod, demagogue that, uh,
00:14:10
Ryan
declares himself as superior to humans. And people are like, fuck yeah, we love that. like His lawlessness is like super attractive to people for whatever reason.
00:14:21
Ryan
So these two camps, like the Homelander camp and then his nemesis, sort what Starlight?
00:14:31
Shauna (she/her)
Starlight, yeah, and the Starlighters The Woke Liberals, yeah, like There's literally like the one lady who's like the like Fox News founding superhero like
00:14:32
Ryan
Yeah. The Starlighters, which are basically just kind of positioned as like, you know, crazy conservatives and the liberals, the woke liberals, right? Right.
00:14:49
Ryan
Yeah. Yes. Oh my
The Boys and Politics
00:14:50
Ryan
God. Yes. Chair. Her name was cherry bomb and then she changed it. Yeah.
00:14:54
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, I think so
00:14:55
Uxy
Yeah, and she actually I think even even said that she based her character off of Marjorie Taylor Greene and like tried to make them a gas.
00:15:00
Ryan
That's hysterical. And she's queer in real life.
00:15:03
Uxy
Yup.
00:15:04
Ryan
Yes.
00:15:04
Uxy
yep
00:15:05
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:15:06
Ryan
So um in that they they stage this, um they essentially like set up a mass riot when there's an event happening between the Starlighters and the Homelanders and they have this big clash that is orchestrated by this character that is like super humanly smart. um And she uses his fans like these people that are obsessed with him willing to do anything for him. um She like recruits them and is like you would do anything for Homelander so like we're gonna basically murder you and then she has
00:15:47
Ryan
she they get beaten to death and then the speedster like carries the bodies over to the scene of the crime so of course no one can see that someone came in and intervened and dropped off these dead bodies um so then they make it seem as though the starlighters are like these crazy violent like they're so intolerant blah blah blah but it was actually just um you know uh it was a plant Um, but originally that episode was supposed to be about an assassination attempt.
00:16:16
Ryan
Am I remembering that correctly?
00:16:19
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, and I think they changed it then because...
00:16:24
Ryan
There was a real assassination attempt.
00:16:26
Uxy
Yeah, it was like two days after it like the real assassination on Trump happened.
00:16:27
Ryan
Um, right.
00:16:30
Uxy
they had to like release like a They had to make a pre-show statement saying that this has nothing to do with the events that just happened. This is like no relation.
00:16:39
Ryan
Right. Yeah, um it just... You know, no, we don't even have to talk about... You said, when like, it was a couple days after the real assassination attempt, and my gut instinct was to be like, no, it wasn't.
00:16:55
Uxy
no i mean like
00:16:56
Ryan
Interesting choice of the word real.
00:16:56
Uxy
ire
00:16:58
Ryan
Yeah. Right. Like, I realize I i have... ah Sometimes, like... I'm just not stupid or naive enough to pretend like these things aren't real possibilities.
00:17:11
Ryan
So I'm not going to pretend like I don't kind of think that, but also I don't want to think that.
00:17:16
Shauna (she/her)
Well, and I think there's something, like everything in our culture is kind of teaching us to be cynical, teaching us to be disbelieving, teaching us that it's really hard to tell what is true, what isn't, it what's a work, what's a shoot.
00:17:16
Ryan
But also.
00:17:23
Ryan
Right.
00:17:33
Shauna (she/her)
Like it's hard to know what where so many things fall.
00:17:33
Ryan
Right.
00:17:37
Shauna (she/her)
And I think intentionally so, especially as our internet deteriorates and it makes it more easy to obfuscate the truth.
00:17:42
Ryan
Yes.
00:17:45
Ryan
Yes. Point, literally Shauna, exactly.
00:17:50
Shauna (she/her)
but
00:17:51
Ryan
um But what's funny is we were talking about Wonder Man, not the boys. um And I said he should punch a hole in the middle of me and that's how we got to the boys. But anyways, um yeah, i I have to be honest, the only thing I really know about Wonder Man is that he like is with Wanda for a little while.
00:18:12
Ryan
And the vi the vision is...
00:18:16
Uxy
very heavily intertwined. Like it's like this whole thing where Jim meets, I think Wonder Man's introduced first.
00:18:19
Shauna (she/her)
Is it?
00:18:23
Uxy
He is injected with like a version, like a super steroid out version of the super, super soldier serum.
00:18:32
Ryan
Right.
00:18:33
Uxy
And he is like an undercover villain in the West Coast Avengers, I think is it what it is. And long story short, he has to keep taking these injections and if he doesn't, he dies.
00:18:44
Uxy
He finds out, turns into a leaf, becomes a superhero. Eventually, he stops taking the injection so many times, or like just like weans off of it and he ends up going comatose. And then Hank, him, I think takes
00:18:53
Ryan
Oof.
00:18:57
Uxy
ah They start monitoring his brainwaves, and those brainwaves, like the map or schematics of it all, they use those to make vision. So vision's brainwaves are based off of Wonder Man, which is why it's like a whole thing in Vision's storyline where he creates his family when, oh my god, what's his brother's name?
00:19:07
Ryan
Brave. Wonder Man.
00:19:18
Uxy
It's a villain. Death? No. Wonder Man has a brother that goes villainous and he goes after Vision's family. And that's like, it's like Wanda, Vision, Wonder Man are also like just heavily intertwined somehow.
00:19:27
Ryan
Oh, right.
00:19:31
Uxy
So it's kind of cool that they're finally bringing him in.
00:19:33
Ryan
Yeah. um And is he, he's an actor in some of the properties, right? Like he's a famous person.
00:19:41
Uxy
Correct.
00:19:42
Ryan
Yeah. I love that. That's the one I'm the most excited for. um I'm definitely excited for um Eyes of Wakanda and Daredevil.
00:19:53
Ryan
I'm curious about the Spider-Man cartoon. um Do you all have any?
00:19:55
Uxy
Yeah,
00:19:57
Ryan
Yeah, yeah I mean, um'm I want it all to be clear always. I want it all.
00:20:00
Uxy
yeah but there's just like, how yeah, but there's like so many, like choose a different superhero.
00:20:01
Shauna (she/her)
Look, Spider-Man is great in cartoon form.
00:20:04
Ryan
Yes.
00:20:04
Shauna (she/her)
like
00:20:07
Uxy
to do Like I miss the Avengers, uh, animated series. Like that shit was so good. Like I'm just very much over all of these different variations of Spider-Man animated shows.
00:20:14
Ryan
Yeah.
00:20:19
Shauna (she/her)
We'll see, that's where I ultimately liked.
00:20:19
Uxy
Like so I did.
00:20:20
Shauna (she/her)
Did you watch Ultimate Spider-Man?
00:20:24
Shauna (she/her)
And I like the like little team where he's like the high school group with like, you know, Luke Cage.
00:20:29
Ryan
Yes, I like that one.
00:20:30
Shauna (she/her)
And yeah, I thought that was a very fun one and has a great like Spider-Man sense of humor.
00:20:31
Uxy
Jeff.
00:20:35
Shauna (she/her)
Like as someone who like really enjoys Spider-Man though, I think that with, you know, it's time for a Miles Morales show. And I understand that he's like the star of the movies.
00:20:42
Ryan
Yeah.
00:20:44
Shauna (she/her)
And so they probably don't want to double down, but again, there could be a million Peter Parker projects. Why can't there also be a million Miles Morales Spider-Man projects?
00:20:48
Ryan
Right.
00:20:50
Uxy
Yes, that's what I mean.
00:20:51
Ryan
Totally. Totally.
00:20:52
Uxy
Like switch characters or switch different spider people and like focus on them and build that world, I guess, rather than having to like start over from square one at during every single animated series where like he's a teen, he's figuring it out.
00:20:56
Shauna (she/her)
No.
00:20:56
Ryan
Yeah.
00:21:05
Uxy
Look at his like jinxed up costume.
00:21:05
Ryan
i Right. Right. Yup. And the one that I also forgot is Ironheart, which, who did we learn is debuting in Ironheart? Is Storm coming in Ironheart, allegedly?
00:21:21
Shauna (she/her)
Is she?
00:21:23
Uxy
like Allegedly, it's Mephisto, but I don't believe that. I'll i'll believe it when I say that.
00:21:27
Ryan
Oh!
00:21:28
Shauna (she/her)
Well, Mephisto...
00:21:28
Ryan
Yeah, because isn't it? Shut up, Shauna. Shut up. Whatever you're gonna say. Keep it. Keep it. Raggedy. Keep it. No make it. Whatever it is. Keep it. Let me hear. Let me hear.
00:21:40
Shauna (she/her)
No, no, I'm sure this is the one. Mephisto's definitely coming this time.
00:21:43
Ryan
Definitely.
00:21:44
Shauna (she/her)
You know, it like Lucy with the football, but it's Mephisto.
00:21:45
Ryan
definitely
00:21:49
Ryan
Part four. ah
00:21:51
Shauna (she/her)
No, like, well, I think really that's, sort if we're going to get into this with our ag at the talk, but I think really they were so close to me saying Mephisto the whole time. I think it's just like, we are just one Mephisto reveal away.
00:22:03
Shauna (she/her)
It is like, it was like, they clearly wanted to.
00:22:03
Ryan
Yeah.
00:22:05
Shauna (she/her)
I could tell that was what was written out was all the Mephisto references. I think we are due.
00:22:11
Ryan
I definitely, I thought that the um the curse revealed monster um was Mephisto in the trailer. I was positive. I was so positive.
00:22:21
Ryan
I was like, that's it. That's the fucking devil.
00:22:23
Shauna (she/her)
This is the right, like it always feels like, this could really be, but and the joke's great to be on me because at some point Mephisto is going to show up or I'm just going to get to keep making this joke forever.
00:22:23
Ryan
Somehow we're getting that.
00:22:31
Ryan
Right?
00:22:33
Shauna (she/her)
And either way I win.
00:22:34
Ryan
At forever.
00:22:36
Shauna (she/her)
So.
00:22:36
Ryan
Because what I heard is that the whole thing is like magic versus science. Like that's the...
00:22:42
Uxy
The hand is supposed to be a like the big bad and he's supposed to get, he allegedly has made a deal with Mephisto and that's how his villainous career starts.
00:22:42
Shauna (she/her)
and
00:22:53
Ryan
the hand? Like the person that creates the hand?
00:22:56
Uxy
No. Um, it's like an actual, oh my God, what is his name?
00:23:01
Ryan
Because the hand exists, I mean, if Charlie Cox's Daredevil is MCU, then doesn't that mean that the hand already exists?
00:23:13
Shauna (she/her)
The hand has already been the hand was absolutely in an episode was in a season of Daredevil.
00:23:16
Ryan
Yeah.
00:23:18
Shauna (she/her)
It was the season with Electra.
00:23:22
Ryan
The front-runner of those Marvel shows, if I'm being honest. Other than Jessica Jones. But Jessica Jones kinda lost me in the second season, I think.
00:23:28
Shauna (she/her)
But that season one was so good.
00:23:28
Ryan
Okay. Yeah. Of Jessica Jones? Oh my god, I was riveted.
00:23:36
Ryan
Riveted.
00:23:36
Shauna (she/her)
I love Kristen Redder though. I'm such a big Kristen Redder fan. Like Don't Trust the Bitch in Apartment 23 is like an underrated favorite television show.
00:23:41
Ryan
Never watched that.
00:23:43
Uxy
Oh my God. I'm an idiot. It's not the hand. It's the hood.
00:23:47
Ryan
Oh, who's the hood?
00:23:50
Uxy
He has like, he literally is in a hood and he has like these like magical pistols, but he's very like, he's a mystic like villain of the streets, like Daredevil type.
00:23:52
Ryan
Well, yeah.
00:24:00
Uxy
I can't remember what comic book he was introduced to, but it's the hood and it's um Anthony Ramos.
00:24:02
Ryan
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
00:24:05
Uxy
He's playing him.
00:24:06
Ryan
Oh, Aethiramos is so cute.
00:24:07
Uxy
Yes.
00:24:09
Ryan
Oh my god, there's like pictures of him already.
00:24:12
Uxy
Yeah. He was in the trailer.
00:24:14
Ryan
Was he really?
00:24:15
Uxy
Yeah.
00:24:16
Ryan
Shit, I, okay, I must need to watch the trailer closer again. Sick, okay, I'm into it. um All right, the other, you know, general banter topic before we get in is, um it's election day on Tuesday, how are we feeling?
00:24:36
Shauna (she/her)
always nervous because I feel like that's where yeah at the end of the day because too much is like too much shouldn't have to be writing on every election but that's part of the problem with our system that like it feels like oh can't wait for my rights to be on for voting every four years but
00:24:37
Ryan
a Baseline.
00:24:46
Ryan
Right.
00:24:48
Ryan
Agreed.
00:24:55
Ryan
Right.
00:24:56
Shauna (she/her)
Hopefully, I'm like, you know, the salts are the um poll that just came out on Saturday night, where with, you know, kala up in in Iowa, so here's, you know, and this is my Kaitlyn Clark liking Taylor Swift's tweets important, you know, like, that's ultimately nice.
00:25:19
Ryan
I mean, I feel like I also saw something that was still saying they're basically neck and neck, which is not to be surprising. Like, you know, that's how elections work.
00:25:25
Shauna (she/her)
Exactly. Like, but that's just it is it shouldn't be this close. Like if you watch anything, it's so ridiculous that these two people are up, but you know, I'm really hoping that everything yeah I'm, I'm just nervous because whatever the results are, it's going to, there's going to be, you know, allocate allegations of tampering, like, and you just know that it's going to happen.
00:25:29
Ryan
Right.
00:25:48
Ryan
Yeah.
00:25:50
Shauna (she/her)
And that I just worry about that.
00:25:51
Ryan
And they're fully, didn't a ballot box just get blown up?
00:25:56
Uxy
They got burned, yeah, in Michigan or Wisconsin, I can't even remember.
00:25:58
Ryan
like
00:26:01
Ryan
Like, like, come on, like, it's already, it's the shenanigans are already, nanny that they're shenanigans again. And not to make light of like, you know, election tampering or whatever, but
00:26:10
Shauna (she/her)
Well, hmm.
00:26:16
Ryan
Our system is kind of a joke, so it's hard to be like, oh, look at that. You know, how weird that a sitting president tried to, uh, you know, defund the post office prior to election season to get rid of by
Voting and Podcast Timing
00:26:31
Ryan
mail voting. But anyways, um, yeah, I, Oksi, how are you feeling?
00:26:41
Uxy
Well, I guess the same. Panicked. But I think I'm more hopeful that shit will play out right.
00:26:42
Ryan
Yeah.
00:26:47
Uxy
And I just hope I'm not surprised.
00:26:48
Ryan
Yeah.
00:26:51
Uxy
um But I mean, like Shauna said, with that poll coming out, and that one's like pretty raved about how accurate it is, or how on point it usually is. And there was something about, like there's usually like a a margin of error of, like Usually the candidate is seven points or more ahead of what it actually is, but it's usually like the closest to the mark.
00:27:12
Uxy
Um, which is why it's like such a huge deal that they're a part of that. She's ahead in Iowa. So, I mean, I mean, I'm just hopeful that it'll be, I try not to think too much.
00:27:19
Ryan
Yeah, you're an Aquarius, of course you're hopeful.
00:27:23
Uxy
Cause then it's like, why stress myself out?
00:27:25
Ryan
It's overwhelming. Yeah, that's kind of how I feel.
00:27:26
Uxy
it is like ill day did it Day at a time.
00:27:29
Ryan
Yeah. um I heard something, or I saw something online that said like, it's easier to try to hold a president accountable than, you know, a fucking fascist.
00:27:43
Ryan
And that's kind of where my head is at is like, I'm not, again, I'm,
00:27:49
Ryan
just, I wish I could be excited about the prospect of voting for a Black woman who is, the or the idea, it's not a prospect, that I get to vote for a Black woman who is, again, just otherworldly qualified in terms of experience and expertise.
00:28:11
Ryan
And the biggest push to the polls is like to keep the fascist out. And that also fucking sucks because that's like, you can't let it steal the enormity of that.
00:28:20
Shauna (she/her)
Mm hmm.
00:28:25
Ryan
But, um, I do, I do care that I get to vote for a black woman. Um, and you know, all of the federal funding of a genocide and the happenings around the rest of the world.
00:28:33
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:28:40
Ryan
included and also notwithstanding, like it is that where I am settling on my decision to vote is it's easier to try to hold a president accountable than a fascist.
00:28:56
Ryan
So that's what's motivating me.
00:28:57
Shauna (she/her)
the every president is going to make decisions that a normal person would be morally opposed to, every single president in a national war scale at the end of the day.
00:29:08
Ryan
Right.
00:29:13
Ryan
Right.
00:29:13
Shauna (she/her)
like And I feel like the United States in particular is, yeah look, I'm not telling probably anyone who listens to this anything they don't know about the United States history of aiding and betting atrocities across the globe.
00:29:25
Shauna (she/her)
And that's true whether a Republican or Democrat is in charge.
00:29:25
Ryan
Right.
00:29:28
Ryan
Right.
00:29:28
Shauna (she/her)
However, and with that being said, and so the but that's why i like trying as much as like this, you know, the atrocities that are happening in this current moment are obviously very present as they should be on all of our minds.
00:29:29
Ryan
right
00:29:39
Shauna (she/her)
I think with that being said, there is still a difference between the two, both in terms of, like you said, the ability to move, but also on so many other issues, be it, you know, abortion, the Supreme Court, you know, LGBTQ,
00:29:53
Shauna (she/her)
rights and what that will mean at a federal level in terms of funding. Like all of those things are just as real and just as impactful in many ways.
00:29:58
Ryan
Right.
00:30:03
Shauna (she/her)
And in a at least you can make a tangible difference that way, even if everything else is the same.
00:30:07
Ryan
bring So.
00:30:10
Shauna (she/her)
And that's why I think I urge to vote.
00:30:12
Ryan
Yes, yes. By the time this episode comes out, election day will have hopefully passed. Sean and I were texting trying to figure out if we should put it out, you know, like the day, like hold it until the day after um to see if it can bring a little levity if things are bad.
00:30:31
Ryan
But I'm going to see if I can try to get it out tomorrow so that it's its own separate thing. And, you know, i I'd rather, I'd rather not
00:30:38
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, something to watch while you're, yeah, and instead of doing scrolling.
00:30:39
Uxy
Thank you.
00:30:42
Ryan
Exactly. I'd rather not have to, um, you know, I want to be able to do whatever I want on election day after I vote and like take care of myself how I want to. And I feel like I'm going to have to do a lot again, regardless of what happens. I just got like a gurgle in my stomach thinking about like, Oh God, I'm going to have to like talk to people about this at work. And.
00:31:07
Ryan
I'm gonna have to hold space, I'm sure whichever way it goes, it's just going to be
Agatha All Along Series Finale
00:31:13
Ryan
a lot. So we're gonna hold each other up and we're gonna keep watching good programming such as Agatha All Along, this has been your civics lesson. um We're going to jump into this two episode finale. I mean, we're gonna break it down um as we go, but is there anything you know from either of you that you're just like,
00:31:36
Ryan
I just really have to say I'm how I'm so happy. I don't think I need to wait until the end or till a specific moment.
00:31:41
Uxy
Thank you.
00:31:42
Ryan
But like, what a hard pivot from the last topic. This show has brought me so much joy. It's I'm so sad that it's over. But like, God damn it, if they didn't really, they gave they the girls got to eat.
00:31:59
Ryan
They got to eat. We got to eat. What do you all think just off off rip?
00:32:03
Shauna (she/her)
I think my, you're right. I think it was a zeitgeist for queer people everywhere to be able to talk about and discuss.
00:32:09
Ryan
Yes.
00:32:10
Shauna (she/her)
And, but especially for, you know, our little friend group and being able to go over what we think, you know, at the end of the day, my, like.
00:32:11
Ryan
Yes. yeah yeah
00:32:19
Shauna (she/her)
my seven year old has had down down down the road down the witches road stuck in his head too because I've been singing it and so have my partners and so then he he'll just be like why he was he literally said why is this in my head now because it's such a catchy moment and I'm really it's been so great to get to share with both you know with you two and with
00:32:22
Ryan
Yes. Yeah. yeah
00:32:41
Shauna (she/her)
And, but also with you all on this podcast, I think that's been a really fun thing to get to discuss and I really have enjoyed so many moments and it's been such a, it really spoke like we were the audience and I love that it really felt made for us in so many ways.
00:32:43
Ryan
Yeah.
00:32:55
Ryan
Agreed. Uxie, how are you feeling?
00:32:58
Uxy
Yeah, like it was a show for the gays days and all the witches out there. like It was fantastic.
00:33:05
Ryan
Yeah.
00:33:06
Uxy
And the fact that it like nothing stood in its way, like all the incel bros, like there's nothing they probably could have done to like get this off track in terms of like good viewership or ratings or even
00:33:16
Ryan
Mm hmm.
00:33:18
Uxy
a cult following almost like this like it grew such a like I saw people like online Twitter, Instagram, Facebook like friends I'd never even thought would it be into the show like a friend from California of mine texted me about it and I was like hold up you don't like anything Marvel like how are you watching this and it's just all because of mother Han she's like I love Catherine Han I will eat anything she serves and it served quite the buffet
00:33:28
Ryan
Mm hmm. Right. Yep. Yeah, I, um,
00:33:45
Ryan
huge fan of Katherine Hahn, like just in general, I don't think again, um it feels very cyclical, cyclical to come back to raving about how incredible she is. But now we have so much more perspective. Like, what a wonderful performance. I have also really loved the press tour of it. Like, you know, it's a hard contrast, obviously, you know, the exact other side of the spectrum is like, you know, Dakota Johnson doing Madam Web, but like,
00:34:14
Ryan
You can't you can't turn on you can't you know swipe through any app right now and not see an ad. At least in my world, obviously, my algorithm is quite tailored. But um you know and people are very happy with her performance. like The conversation about her relationship with Rio, which we get more about in these episodes, like you know i don't the part of what want what I think a lot of us hold so fondly about WandaVision is, you know, especially for the gays days and and femmes. um We love seeing a complicated bad bitch on television and
00:34:56
Ryan
You know, Wanda Maximoff is nothing but. And so WandaVision was so fun, but it was like such a shitty fucking time. Like it was the depths of lockdown. And it was like the only thing that was like, you know, pass the time by. It felt like weeks between each episode because we were so like connected to it. And, you know, our, our, are our, our circle or whatever it was called, our bubble.
00:35:24
Ryan
was so small at that point, it was just like, this is all we have to talk about be because the rest of the world is on fire. um And, you know, maybe it is a little eerie that the world is still on fire, um but this made, you know, it made time pass in a way that I was like, it's Wednesday, I can't wait to watch television and talk to my friends about how much shit we're getting like you know as fans like not shit in a bad way but just like if this was so like fan service just like ladled on top in terms of even bringing it all the way to the ending of like us seeing you know a high camp like Katherine Hahn as a ghost Agatha Harkness like
00:36:13
Ryan
They did it, they did all of it. They did all the things that we wanted or most of the things that we wanted and let's talk about it. Shauna, do you wanna talk us through episode eight?
00:36:26
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, so episode 8 opens with a flashback as alex is ah Alice's spirit awakens to discover her newly dead body as Ryo, now in her death visage, was waiting to lead her towards the afterlife.
00:36:39
Ryan
Yes.
00:36:41
Shauna (she/her)
And so I really loved getting to start off seeing what happens because, you know, we saw the little snippet of Lillia getting to see death and getting to see Ryo.
00:36:51
Ryan
Right.
00:36:52
Shauna (she/her)
And so now you get to see what happens to Alice and I loved like the really sweet moment where they're like, well, you died protecting someone.
00:36:57
Ryan
Yes.
00:36:59
Shauna (she/her)
You're a protection witch. like It really helped kind of give her, I think, that closure to move forward, which she probably doesn't have to give to and everybody, but obviously gave to her at least brief compatriot in Alice.
00:37:00
Ryan
Right.
00:37:11
Ryan
Right. Right? Yeah. um I think you just said something that reminded me that clicked when we were watching this episode, which was um that, like, ah Lilia saw death in her um disorganized timeline, like,
00:37:34
Ryan
I didn't really put together that she saw Rio as death before she actually died, which was another instance of her life happening out of order. Because it's not like Rio would just appear to her. She didn't die when she fell. Like, you know, she...
00:37:50
Ryan
just unless that's what they were saying but anyways um yeah and we got the softer we got the not full rio death costume that we see at the end of this episode we got her a little more subdued a little um wayfarer into the afterlife not full-blown comic villain which was which
00:38:12
Shauna (she/her)
But I also like that there was that kind of comic villain outfit that she can really like, you can see where her comic, you know, where they have a little bit more budget and a little more where it will go to the next level.
00:38:23
Shauna (she/her)
Though, can we talk about the physical effect makeup of her skull face and how
00:38:24
Ryan
Yeah.
00:38:27
Ryan
Oh my God.
00:38:28
Shauna (she/her)
It was actually done with physical makeup in a way that I was not expecting in Marvel using everything CGI, because everything just looks so good in this show for it existing.
00:38:37
Ryan
So good.
00:38:38
Shauna (she/her)
And they were and it was lauded universally as being like, oh my gosh, this was one of the cheapest Marvel shows. And I'm like, no wonder they didn't have 50 supercomputers putting shit together and instead were having actual experts.
00:38:47
Ryan
Right.
00:38:47
Uxy
Everything was super practical.
00:38:51
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:38:51
Ryan
Yeah.
00:38:51
Shauna (she/her)
Cause that it's not like we don't have the technology in a physical way to make that too. And I love that they embrace that and we're able to save money for it.
00:39:01
Shauna (she/her)
So yeah. So, all right, moving on. So then you get Rio informs Agatha that she's there for Billy, who she views as this abomination for, you know, adding a life that shouldn't have been to the world.
00:39:13
Shauna (she/her)
And I'm like, I guess that makes sense that she's very much like everything of order, you know,
00:39:17
Ryan
Yes.
00:39:17
Shauna (she/her)
this green witch, that there's a there is an order there's an order to nature, and nature doesn't like it when you skip steps and go out of line.
00:39:23
Ryan
Great.
00:39:25
Shauna (she/her)
you know And I think it's interesting that their group in many ways has multiple people out of that natural order. as You have Lilia, who sees time in different ways and has kind of been able to be alive for a very long time.
00:39:33
Ryan
Sure.
00:39:38
Shauna (she/her)
Same with an Agatha, who's also, like actually, and all of that, like Jen Kale's also a very old lady.
00:39:44
Ryan
Yeah.
00:39:47
Ryan
She is, yeah.
00:39:48
Shauna (she/her)
Yes, they've all kind of cheated death in a way.
00:39:48
Ryan
I, like, I think... Yeah, and I mean, Alice too. She, um, it was fucking cursed.
00:39:54
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah,
00:39:55
Ryan
Like, she was surrounded by death all the time. That is a good point. All of them were...
00:39:59
Shauna (she/her)
yeah and she should have been she should have died a while ago, but because of the protection spell on her. Yeah, I hadn't thought of that connection between all of them and death and their avoidance until they met on the road.
00:40:05
Ryan
Right. Damn.
00:40:11
Ryan
Totally.
00:40:13
Shauna (she/her)
So yeah, and so now you get Billy and Jen rejoin Agatha at the end of the road discovering that it just goes in a circle as they comic-con their shoes right where they left and they're all left to think, what the heck?
00:40:28
Shauna (she/her)
And so I think it's really, yeah.
00:40:28
Ryan
We. Sorry, um the one thing that I wanted to make sure that we also saw like um we got a little bit more connection between Rio and Agatha to um where you know we get they really.
00:40:46
Ryan
Like their chemistry between them as actors gives such remarkable exes. Like the way that the dynamic between them goes back and forth between like genuine hatred and then like softness, like is only possible with an ex.
00:41:05
Ryan
And there's a moment when she says, like, why do you let them believe those terrible things about you?
00:41:07
Shauna (she/her)
Mmm.
00:41:11
Ryan
which then tells us that Nikki, she did not tell her son. I mean, we find out for real on the next episode, but what Rio is referencing is that she did not actually give her son up for the Darkhold, which leaves a giant question mark as to where she did get the Darkhold from. um But she says,
00:41:30
Ryan
ah because the truth is too awful. And what we learn in the next episode is that the baby was gonna die during childbirth, seemingly. That's what I took that as, is that?
00:41:42
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, no, I think that was my takeaway as well was that it was going to be a like a stillbirth of some sort and that she could sense it because she could probably feel death near.
00:41:42
Uxy
Yeah.
00:41:53
Ryan
Right, right. And again, getting ahead of ourselves, but like now I can't wait to go back and rewatch the entire show through through knowing what we know now, but um the the other thing that she says is something about ah wasting the road's time, but when Rio leaves that exchange between the two of them where ah Agatha promises Rio to bring Billy Ria walks up to the, what is a backdrop, but like she uses her knife to cut through the so backdrop of the the road and it looks like she's tearing a hole in reality and it's just so sickening.
00:42:41
Uxy
Mm.
00:42:44
Uxy
She also, in that exchange, like right before she does that, she almost gives it away that the road isn't real. So like in that same in like exchange where ah Agatha's like, it's a waste it's a waste of the road's time.
00:42:57
Uxy
And then she says, ah and about like you're on the road that isn't even. And then like Agatha cuts her off as she's like about to say, isn't even real.
00:43:05
Ryan
Yes.
00:43:05
Uxy
And it's just like, they're they've hinted at this shit since day one.
00:43:06
Ryan
yeah Yes.
00:43:09
Uxy
like like There's been a hint.
00:43:10
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, you can sew all of Agatha's little looks like.
00:43:14
Uxy
you And then she goes and cuts into this like fake TV scene and she's like about to say, it's like it's not even real, look.
00:43:16
Ryan
well
00:43:22
Ryan
The, um, ah it's funny, I hadn't even picked up on that. I took it as like, you're walking on this road with a son, the son of a woman and he's not even yours. Like I took it as she was going to say like, that's not your fucking son. Like I know you're projecting onto him because again, I'm your ex.
00:43:42
Ryan
I know that you are also projecting this relationship onto this kid.
00:43:42
Shauna (she/her)
and
00:43:45
Ryan
Like, you're taking this fantastical road trip with another son. Like, he's not your son. Um, I definitely didn't take it as...
00:43:53
Shauna (she/her)
But just like you took a trip on the road, like in finding out, you know, again to the next episode that it was written with like her and her son singing the song on the road. I think it's really that she then did get to walk this journey again with a surrogate.
00:44:03
Ryan
Yes.
00:44:07
Ryan
Yes. Okay, let's...
00:44:09
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:44:10
Ryan
Yes, let's keep it pumping.
00:44:12
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, okay.
00:44:12
Ryan
um Yeah, keep us going.
00:44:13
Shauna (she/her)
Okay. So Billy puts his shoes back on and another comment about like, Oh, do you expect them to be bronzed? Which I did love that. Like, you know, flash forward call ahead.
00:44:22
Ryan
Yeah.
00:44:24
Shauna (she/her)
And so they're now in the basement, but it's this weird futuristic, like almost, you know, felt very medical with like, and then plus the grow lights as you
00:44:33
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:38
Shauna (she/her)
then and get the big reveal that it was Agatha who was paid to bind Jen all those years ago and realizing that she breaks the power and it was such a great scene as she then regains all of her strength and you know vanquishes Agatha and then gets to leave.
00:44:57
Ryan
Like, how... So in an earlier episode, I definitely said that, like, I was not a huge fan of Sashira Zemeda's acting. I was having a little bit of a hard time adjusting to her beyond just how, like, I think she's a great comic actress. um That Unbinding spell, baby.
00:45:25
Ryan
I mean, obviously like we have to acknowledge the dynamic um that was definitely supposed to be like commentary on white fe feminism because you know Agatha took this money from men to harm another woman.
00:45:40
Ryan
not knowing that, you know, or not caring that she was harming another woman. And in this instance, you know, it was a Black woman. So adding that additional layer of how that still very much so exists in spaces for women, like, you know, the exclusion of Black women, the harm that happens to Black women and femmes. But there was like, it was it was really powerful to watch Sashir reclaim that like you said like reclaim her power back and undo the binding spell and then she just sheds like one single tear and disappears from the road and it's like oh how fucking beautiful how it was incredible writing acting directing like
00:46:23
Shauna (she/her)
It's beautiful
00:46:25
Uxy
It's incredible writing.
00:46:33
Ryan
how how much she repeats it and like Agatha is clearly like uncomfortable like yeah right bitch that's not how it works like you're not going to do it but as we are reminded like um Sashir's magic is like rooted in you know her African interest. She's an 11th generation root worker. Bitch, she's doing magic that you don't know, you don't even have access to. like She is doing magic that you think is not real and then realizes, again, similar to what we see in the episode, that like a lot of the magic that exists is based on the person's connection to it. like
00:47:14
Ryan
Sometimes motherfuckers make whole like reality constructs with their connection to magic that should not exist. um But yeah, I really... i That was just so beautiful. It was so beautiful. Great work. I also saw a clip that was like, isn't it wild to think that Sashir Zameta spent all this time with Catherine on and then came out as a late in life lesbian?
00:47:39
Ryan
Like, yeah, it checks out.
00:47:40
Uxy
Yes, absolutely.
00:47:40
Ryan
how would Wanna fuck Katherine Bond with all that fucking Dom Mommy energy, damn. She made death her bottom. Death is a bottom. A whiny, sissy bottom.
00:47:51
Uxy
Give me, give me, give me.
00:47:53
Ryan
Gimme, why don't you love me, man? Okay, sorry, we love you bottoms.
00:47:58
Uxy
and But I also had kind of the same feelings towards Shaseer's acting from like beginning to end. And I think that was actually intentional. like I think it was you were supposed to not like this very selfish, guarded woman that was very much into herself because that's all she's been able to focus on for a while is like, how do I unbound myself?
00:48:07
Ryan
Yeah.
00:48:13
Ryan
Yeah.
00:48:17
Ryan
Yes.
00:48:18
Uxy
How do I you know make something out of myself? And then you do see that transformation from like the first episode where she's climbing in the oven and she pushes Lilia out of the way to get into this event to the ending where she's like, I'm not going before you.
00:48:29
Ryan
Yeah.
00:48:32
Uxy
Like you do go like she, like that whole episode of her in the tunnels with Lilia made me love her so much more.
00:48:33
Ryan
Yeah.
00:48:36
Ryan
Agreed.
00:48:39
Uxy
And then you get to the like next episode and you're like, baby girl, absolutely yeah fly away birdie, fly away.
00:48:43
Ryan
yeah yes yes especially the dynamic between her and Lilia too because um you know i think the commentary of the show that exists that has been said and is very clearly in the subtext but like you know Lilia says to um
00:48:46
Uxy
and
00:49:06
Ryan
Uh, Jen, when they're in the tunnel, like, you know, I hope you will go with me because you are, so you are my sister in the craft. And, you know, the, what Lillia says when she's doing her, her tarot reading, like, um, I was missing you all. I was missing my coven. And it is just, you know, specifically about the power of sisterhood, but also about the power of community, like what we are capable of doing when we work together. And.
00:49:35
Ryan
from, especially from like a small scale, like these women's lives were changed and improved by the decision to do something together. And even if it was all selfish to begin with, like that also kind of calls into question, like, is it really fucking selfish to just want to find your strength again or your connection to, you know, your divine, right? Like,
00:50:04
Ryan
Is it selfish to be like, I want i want my shit back? like It's been long enough.
00:50:08
Uxy
Right.
00:50:08
Ryan
And yeah, I think we're supposed to read power as you know something that is abused. But I think that's more about commentary on how we individually think about power than who these women are.
00:50:23
Ryan
like you know We meet them at such a weird point in their lives just
00:50:30
Ryan
it's It's always that deep, and it's never that deep.
00:50:30
Shauna (she/her)
Well.
00:50:33
Ryan
Thank you, Jack Shafer, for this incredible commentary. And like i you know I know obviously it's like so many people involved, but Jack Shafer specifically, what a...
00:50:47
Ryan
she's She is in charge of all... She's in part she's in charge of the division of magic at Marvel Studios. Make her the president.
00:50:55
Shauna (she/her)
They really should give her absolutely more like. let her keep doing this because she's clearly making a successful product. But in that vein, it's something I also thought of during that.
00:51:04
Ryan
Yup.
00:51:08
Shauna (she/her)
So Billy kind of takes it very personally. He's like, oh my gosh, when you find out the reveal that he made the road, he's like, oh my gosh, I killed these women.
00:51:13
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
00:51:15
Shauna (she/her)
And and I get this, well, like, well, not really. Like, I mean, I killed Alice and, you know, like, shit but I think there's something to that.
00:51:20
Ryan
Right.
00:51:23
Shauna (she/her)
The road didn't give Jen back her powers.
00:51:26
Ryan
Yes.
00:51:27
Shauna (she/her)
She gave herself back her powers.
00:51:28
Ryan
She took her.
00:51:29
Shauna (she/her)
so The road shot her out then thereafter and she could leave, but she gave herself the powers just as she, you know, she it wasn't like the road magically gifted them to her.
00:51:30
Ryan
Yes.
00:51:41
Ryan
Right.
00:51:42
Shauna (she/her)
And I think and so there wasn't really a prize other than the determination that she found in herself and the that the road gave her that.
00:51:42
Ryan
Right.
00:51:47
Ryan
Right.
00:51:51
Shauna (she/her)
indirect, indirect, like, you know, but not directly, indirectly.
00:51:54
Ryan
Right.
00:51:56
Uxy
Well, kind of.
00:51:56
Shauna (she/her)
I think that's a really interesting aspect.
00:51:58
Uxy
Earlier, when Jen's talking about how she was bound, and she's like, I still don't even know how he did it without any magic, ah Agatha wasn't even around for that.
00:52:05
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm.
00:52:06
Uxy
She was talking to Teen at that moment when she like made that commentary.
00:52:09
Shauna (she/her)
e
00:52:10
Uxy
And so that's why it's a full circle moment when they get to the end.
00:52:10
Ryan
right
00:52:13
Uxy
And she's like, wait a minute, you're the one that bound me? After she puts her face at face, and then she takes her power back and like goes away.
00:52:16
Ryan
Yeah. Totally. And I think also is you know um commentary on the realization of women with more privilege about how they do harm.
00:52:39
Ryan
like Obviously Kathryn Hahn and I'm sorry, obviously act of the hardness is a terrible example because she is evil and she knowingly harmed people um But you know, she said like it was either um Bind or burn like I was saving my own life. I Did what I had to do and it's like well, yeah girl because you had the option to save your own life like she's she had no option and It just, I think that particular moment of growth um is cool and important.
00:53:14
Shauna (she/her)
Definitely.
00:53:15
Shauna (she/her)
So yeah, so that, gosh, that was a good moment. And so then you're left with just Billy and Agatha and Billy in the same way also kind of helps himself and finds a body for his brother, realizes that he's out there in the ether and gives life.
00:53:35
Ryan
Yes.
00:53:35
Shauna (she/her)
And so now you know so now you know that Tommy's out there somewhere. and But that's for another episode because, yeah.
00:53:44
Ryan
Ooxie as our resident, yeah, as our resident Wiccan enthusiast. um How are you feeling? i I really thought that we were gonna get a glimpse of Tommy because the moment, first of all, what a cool scene, but like, you know, she's helping, she's guiding him, bringing hurt his dead brother back from the grave to find a body because that's the level of power he has. But before, I wanna come back to that, but what are what are your thoughts on
00:54:23
Ryan
tom knowing that Tommy is coming.
00:54:26
Uxy
It makes me very excited because it could lead to one of my favorite storylines. I mean, they're two of my favorite characters. um And like, am I to understand this whole time that that Billy just has had Tommy like, in his, like within himself the whole time up until he goes and releases him?
00:54:43
Uxy
Because that, that part did confuse me. um Trying to figure out, it's like, so you're just...
00:54:47
Shauna (she/her)
Well, I didn't think it was necessarily in him as much as just kind of like in a like You know it the energy had to go somewhere and it's in like a magical storage containment like and you know Yeah, yeah, it's in the cloud exactly though
00:54:49
Uxy
um green and
00:54:53
Ryan
He exists. Right. It's in the cloud. He's in the cloud. Because he was just a bunch of pixels.
00:55:07
Uxy
valid. I do I mean I'm not mad they didn't show him because then it's like people would be on the lookout for this actor what if he's recast kind of how like Cassie Long got recast like once she became an integral part and also it it leaves the person it leaves that character in this Mysterium where like
00:55:15
Ryan
Right. Right. Right.
00:55:26
Uxy
You look for him in little shows, because like we know Vision Quest is coming. We don't know if he's going to be in that one. Our Agatha and Billy get to get their own spin-off show, and that's how we meet him. like It just creates so much work for theory crafting and figuring out where we're in to see Tommy next now that we know he for sure is out there.
00:55:41
Uxy
I'm also kind of curious, does that mean this is not the last of Rio that we've seen, considering that she was after Billy because of this like ah thing that he did that she doesn't agree with? Is she going to come back again when he just
00:55:52
Ryan
Right, and then he did it again.
00:55:53
Uxy
Yeah. Like the first thing.
00:55:55
Ryan
He's like, oh, you hated it the first time?
00:55:57
Uxy
Right.
00:55:57
Ryan
Bitch, just wait. There's more. I got another one for this, ah for this dead body count you're keeping.
00:56:04
Uxy
right
00:56:06
Ryan
Yeah, I have my hands on Ooxie's shoulder while we were watching it, like death gripping because I thought for one fucking second we would get like, a you know, his face kind of bursting through the water coming back to life or whatever.
00:56:19
Ryan
But I'm glad that They, you know, didn't, um, I thought it was really interesting that they made it very clear, like he's not taking over another person's life. Like Billy Kaplan, like he is, this kid had no one. Like he says, you know, it's a prank. These kids are pranking him. It's going wrong.
00:56:42
Ryan
he has no one, he has no parents, like no one is looking out for him. So, you know, this isn't, it will make introducing that character and not having to explain all of that stuff um even easier. But the thing that I was gonna get at is Agatha, you know, sees Jen disappear and then she has this moment where, and nothing is said, but like, again, knowing what we know,
00:57:11
Ryan
She just says... Fuck it. I bet he can do this." And so she says, I'm going to help you find your brother. like It had nothing to do with Agatha. She she was not it in the in the slightest way. like Her putting her hands on that was all for fucking show. like she just She knew he needed someone to guide him through it, which is kind of a cool, you know again, preview into what we know will be a mentorship relationship.
00:57:42
Ryan
um But yeah, I thought that was really, really interesting. I also thought it was interesting that the grow lights were definitely ticking way slower than any other counter or way faster, the more emotionally upset he got.
00:57:56
Ryan
um Like really like you're getting to the end, like, come on, we got to hurry this shit up.
00:57:57
Shauna (she/her)
o
00:58:02
Ryan
um And then and then what how do we finish out, Shauna?
00:58:07
Shauna (she/her)
And so then now that Billy vanishes after finding his brother and you're left with just Agatha who goes into the locket and you know touches the hair of Nikki and finds a seed and suddenly then there is now some soil on the ground and so using her tear she gives it water plants the soil and it sprouts and she gets the heck out of that basement and she survives
00:58:41
Ryan
The witch's road.
00:58:42
Shauna (she/her)
The richest road only to then find act to find a cackling Rio on the roof and pure like, you know, I love like, oh, were you expecting a finish line?
00:58:52
Shauna (she/her)
Like, yep, you're here.
00:58:53
Ryan
Right.
00:58:54
Shauna (she/her)
And now we get to do this. Like, where's, you know, you promised me this kid. Where is he?
00:59:00
Ryan
Yeah. um The other thing that I think was really beautiful, um you know, we get a moment of closure for Agatha um that is, you know, ripped open again. But Billy, when Billy is trying to bring Tommy back, he's saying like, am I killing this kid to bring my but brother back? And she says no and like the ground cracks and that's how the soil gets there or whatever which i thought was really cool um but
00:59:30
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm, I didn't realize that detail.
00:59:34
Ryan
Yeah, he's like, so much power is coming off of him that the ground cracks. And that's how the soil appears.
00:59:38
Shauna (she/her)
Huh, no.
00:59:40
Ryan
um Yeah, but she says like, no, in response to his question, I'll only make him say she said sometimes boys just die.
00:59:49
Shauna (she/her)
Oh.
00:59:49
Ryan
And that's, again, the first sort of like, reminder that like, no, she didn't sacrifice her fucking son. for the Darkwald. She just murdered people. um And then we get a lot of people.
01:00:01
Shauna (she/her)
A lot of people.
01:00:03
Ryan
A lot of people as we come to find out. But we do get this badass fight with the ultimate Wiccan reveal.
01:00:16
Ryan
Ooxie, please. Your first response. like
01:00:18
Uxy
I mean, I could have died that day and been fine.
01:00:23
Shauna (she/her)
the
01:00:23
Uxy
That was my first thought in the first like five seconds. And then my follow up thought was, wait, he's kind of goofy. But it was still great.
01:00:32
Ryan
yeah it It was kind of goofy.
01:00:34
Uxy
its a little bit It was a little bit goofy. But in every way, I would look past the goofiness because I was just like, this is incredible.
01:00:40
Ryan
Totally.
01:00:42
Uxy
Because then you also like you watch the behind the scenes of like the detail in his costume about how like the outside is more ah formatted to Scarlet Witch's costume from Multiverse of Madness.
01:00:44
Ryan
Yes.
01:00:55
Uxy
And the inside of his cape is like the pattern of Vision's cape. So his parents are with him the whole time. like it's just a really Like every detail of this show has just been so spot on in terms of like references or homages to certain things and like his costume just did not disappoint.
01:01:10
Uxy
you know Right.
01:01:11
Ryan
Yeah, and also so crafted with so much love. like Whose idea was that?
01:01:16
Shauna (she/her)
in
01:01:18
Ryan
who What creative genius was like, let's make the outside of his coat his mom and the inside of his coat his dad. like what Who thinks that?
01:01:26
Uxy
Right.
01:01:28
Ryan
Geniuses.
01:01:30
Uxy
I did think that
01:01:30
Shauna (she/her)
You got up and screamed. When it happened, you stood and screamed, Ryan, and that was a moment
01:01:35
Uxy
I did.
01:01:35
Ryan
I did, I screamed.
01:01:38
Shauna (she/her)
You stood up and exclaimed loudly and it was wonderful and it was like, like I cannot help but think of that moment.
01:01:38
Uxy
I don't have to explain.
01:01:44
Ryan
yeah
01:01:47
Shauna (she/her)
When I rewatched it, I was like, oh, this was it.
01:01:50
Ryan
Yeah, it was, I mean, it was, he comes down, you know, he, he telekinetically throws Rio away and then comes floating down in his full fucking Wiccan fagotry with his, you know, stupid little blue wigglywoos and his, you know, his PJs and his hood and like, it's, if it's, the costume is just campy.
01:02:08
Shauna (she/her)
because
01:02:15
Ryan
Like, Wiccan's costume
01:02:16
Shauna (she/her)
And it's what he wore as a child. like
01:02:18
Ryan
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Wickens' costume is... You can't adapt that in a way. I mean, it it looks cool, but like, it's campy. Like, he looks like a little gay boy superhero.
01:02:31
Uxy
Yeah.
01:02:31
Ryan
And means you can't have capes without it being silly.
01:02:32
Shauna (she/her)
and
01:02:35
Ryan
Capes are just fucking silly in general.
01:02:35
Uxy
More tapes.
01:02:38
Ryan
Like, it just... Come on, girl. um But yeah, that was such a... Fucking great reveal. Such a great reveal. I mean, I don't think it counts as a reveal.
01:02:48
Shauna (she/her)
but Yeah.
01:02:48
Ryan
Costume reveal.
01:02:51
Ryan
at one point then yeah but during the battle she throws, Ryo throws Agatha, so Wiccan gives all his power to um Agatha and ah she like respects that and doesn't kill him, which is lovely.
01:02:52
Shauna (she/her)
And so.
01:03:11
Ryan
um but Rio th throws Billy into a greenhouse, and you hear in the background, Agatha, u Rio says, power looks good on you, because now Agatha and Rio are fighting, and Rio says, power looks good on you, and Agatha screams, everything looks good on me.
01:03:33
Shauna (she/her)
It's so good.
01:03:36
Ryan
So good.
01:03:36
Shauna (she/her)
But also, she definitely outright killed Alice, and that was something that we kind of talked about, like, wait, did she, was she in control, was she not, and she was, and she did.
01:03:43
Uxy
Yes.
01:03:43
Ryan
yeah
01:03:48
Uxy
Yeah, because even in the next episode, it shows that she intentionally went out.
01:03:48
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
01:03:48
Shauna (she/her)
she
01:03:52
Uxy
It wasn't this just like, oh, I accidentally keep killing.
01:03:54
Ryan
She was gonna kill him.
01:03:55
Uxy
Yeah, it just it was.
01:03:56
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, that was her plan.
01:03:57
Uxy
Hmm.
01:03:59
Ryan
She was gonna kill all them hoes.
01:04:02
Uxy
I did feel like this scene or this whole interaction did rob us of a great fight though.
01:04:02
Shauna (she/her)
ah
01:04:06
Uxy
Like that's one critique I think we'll have of this episode is that we didn't get the, like and again, broken record, keeping the comparison to WandaVision, but like the fight between Wanda and Agatha was certainly way more climactic than the fight between Agatha and Rio.
01:04:25
Uxy
Like it was just, there was no,
01:04:26
Shauna (she/her)
Well, I think it was, that was a superhero show. And I think you got a superhero fight for it in a way that this didn't really ever, even though it's in the Marvel universe, it didn't feel like a superhero show.
01:04:30
Ryan
Right. Totally.
01:04:37
Shauna (she/her)
So I'm not surprised that we didn't get this big climatic, like final battle because it really wasn't, it was really much more about the journey. than any one moment and so like I see I think that's a fair criticism but I'm also not surprised because I wasn't really looking for that personally at least though it would have been cool
01:04:56
Ryan
And as we're talking about that, I'm reminded of how we talked about the fight scene between the two of them at the beginning of the series, where it's very like down and dirty, you know, sort of like grappling hitting each other type shit. And I think that also is the same vein of like these are not here like These are not people who fight like that.
01:05:18
Ryan
you know like even we We see Wanda technically get like a moment of training when she's announced as an of like a formal part of the Avengers at the end of whichever one, Civil War.
01:05:32
Uxy
Age of Ultron.
01:05:33
Ryan
No. Not Sivor, Age of Ultron, yeah. And, you know, so we see her in the Avengers facility, so we have to assume she's getting, you know, combat training. But like, you know, she was a fucking Avenger. She fought, you know, she fought a bitch like the Avengers, and so I think it was also kind of an interesting, like, no, Agatha and Ryo would not be in this, like,
01:05:58
Ryan
you know close quarter combat type shit they're just like trying to haul off and take each other down which i think is not as like action-wise it doesn't pay off in the same way but i i think i'm sort of along the same lines where it's like it's totally a valid criticism and i'm also glad that it was a little more grounded in how they actually fought But I, app I think it's totally a fair criticism because that's what we tune in for.
01:06:31
Uxy
Yeah, and I think mean, I guess that does play into the whole like, this is a very cheap, cheaply conducted or produced show.
01:06:36
Ryan
Yeah.
01:06:38
Uxy
So like, does you mean that whole scene with like Billy falling through the greenhouse, getting up super slowly, peering through like the glass, making his way out of this like bro, like it was definitely planted there to like cut out what could have been used to like add more like fighting or like,
01:06:39
Ryan
Right.
01:06:52
Ryan
Right.
01:06:55
Uxy
Shooting a wigglywoos or whatever you want to do it because it's just like he's here with the banter But you don't see anything and it's like okay I did not see I did not need to see this little boy crowd on the screen house Like you could have added a little bit more and that probably would have satisfied me Yes Absolute filler footage
01:06:57
Ryan
Right, right.
01:07:03
Ryan
Right.
01:07:06
Ryan
Totally, totally. Great point. Great point. That was definitely some filler footage of, we did not need to see him get up. Like we, we know, like he would have, he could have.
01:07:18
Uxy
and yeah of course he's bleeding he's like 16 years old that was hauled through a blast like of course like he's gonna be like ah
01:07:22
Ryan
Right. Right.
01:07:26
Ryan
but He just got that super suit.
01:07:27
Shauna (she/her)
but
01:07:28
Uxy
right
01:07:30
Shauna (she/her)
And things we did need to see though, the next scene, because you then get a final
01:07:33
Ryan
Ugh.
01:07:37
Shauna (she/her)
You know, one last Agatha double-crossing as she is just ready to sell Billy out when he agrees to go with her.
01:07:40
Ryan
Yes.
01:07:45
Shauna (she/her)
And she immediately just flips the script and is like, oh, that's a good point. You probably should go until the emotional tenor of the moment. Billy reminds her that of, you know, her son and like, is this what really happened?
01:07:59
Shauna (she/her)
Did you sell him out? And she's like, well, no, I did what I could to protect him and.
01:08:01
Ryan
Right. Yeah.
01:08:06
Shauna (she/her)
gives in and sees the moments that she had and embraces death, embraces Rio, and we finally get our lesbian MCU kiss.
01:08:13
Ryan
Yes.
01:08:16
Shauna (she/her)
And I'm so happy for it. That was my big prediction. It was like, it was going to be gay. And it was. And I'm very here for it. And speaking of like valid criticisms, there were a lot of people that wish we got more backstory on Rio and on Agatha.
01:08:30
Ryan
Totally.
01:08:32
Shauna (she/her)
But at the end of the day, they still paid off with a moment that was befitting. It gave her a hero's death in many ways, or at least a death that was one that was, you know, of merit.
01:08:38
Uxy
Thank you.
01:08:44
Ryan
Yes.
01:08:45
Shauna (she/her)
And so ended up satisfying her under the bargain. She go- And actually, she says that she doesn't want to see death when she dies, and she did close her eyes.
01:08:55
Ryan
Great. Yep. Oh, great point. Great point. And I think I saw Jack Schaefer talking about that and she said that she did have some regrets. Like that was kind of the end of the quote, but she's like, that story does exist. Like they had to build the story between them because then where the next episode picks up, which we'll get to in a few minutes, but like when the next episode picks up,
01:09:23
Ryan
We see Agatha by herself, and we get to see Rio, you know, a couple of times but like, they already know each other there's a whole backstory. And, you know, that story exists and perhaps we'll get we'll get the chance for it to be told but like, I think.
01:09:42
Ryan
Again, valid criticism, but not what the show was building towards. Like, Agatha is not a character that's going to have a majorly substantial presence, I have to imagine.
01:09:47
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:09:53
Ryan
Like, I'm sure she'll still be around, especially knowing what we know.
01:09:55
Shauna (she/her)
um that's why ultimately she becomes Ghost Agatha and I think that's like where like if you were expecting her to be this major player that's not really where her story is but she's still present and is able to then assist Billy and be a mentor and all that fun stuff as
01:09:58
Ryan
We don't... Exactly.
01:10:05
Ryan
Right.
01:10:10
Ryan
Right. Right. Which is what we get at the end after Agatha turns into um a bunch of mushrooms, which was really gross.
01:10:23
Ryan
um But it was beautiful. And it did kind of, the the panning of the footage, like it starts at her feet and goes up to her head as she slowly like rapidly decays.
01:10:33
Ryan
It's shot very much so like the witch, the witch's feet, the Wicked Witch of the West, her feet like rolling back up into the house after she dies when the house falls.
01:10:43
Shauna (she/her)
who
01:10:46
Ryan
That's what it reminded me of at least.
01:10:47
Shauna (she/her)
Nice.
01:10:49
Ryan
Yeah.
01:10:49
Shauna (she/her)
Well, speaking of the Wicked Witch and things that remind one of things, we then go to the room, in Billy's room, where he comes to realization.
01:10:54
Ryan
yeah
01:11:00
Shauna (she/her)
And this is something that we'd kind of had seen moments of, but really hadn't put two and two together. He made it all up. The road was his own fabrication.
01:11:07
Ryan
it all up.
01:11:09
Shauna (she/her)
as everything in his room were things that were present in the road as he had conjured this into being this and made it come to life. And it was still such a wonderful thing.
01:11:22
Shauna (she/her)
as all of these elements in his room were represented, except for one.
01:11:22
Ryan
Yes.
01:11:27
Shauna (she/her)
He has a giant trans lives matter flag, but I sure saw a lot of cis people and not a lot of trans people on that road.
01:11:27
Ryan
Which ones?
01:11:34
Ryan
True, it's true.
01:11:34
Shauna (she/her)
All I'm saying is if he really wanted his room represented, at least one transsexual should have been involved.
01:11:40
Ryan
Right, yes, transsexual.
01:11:40
Shauna (she/her)
It's all insane.
01:11:43
Ryan
Who knows, you know, maybe, ah maybe yeah, ew, gross.
01:11:44
Shauna (she/her)
Maybe, maybe that's like a hidden backstory that we're going to find out. And I look forward to that. But that's all I'm saying, like,
01:11:51
Ryan
gross in the sense of retconning them later, like, you know, however many years. In 20 years, they're going to be like, Alice Wu-Gulliver was a non-binary trans femme. Like, shut up.
01:12:00
Shauna (she/her)
Absolutely. That's going to be I think that's going to be the case. Yeah.
01:12:04
Ryan
Yes. um And we...
01:12:05
Shauna (she/her)
but Yeah. So i ah what a great reveal because we had always we'd been really on the like, hey, he's the one who gets the clue every time.
01:12:14
Ryan
Yes.
01:12:14
Shauna (she/her)
It really feels like he's got some aspect of control going on here that either he realizes that or doesn't.
01:12:19
Ryan
Yes.
01:12:20
Shauna (she/her)
We had talked about that in previous episodes, and I think we were credit to us for kind of seeing the breadcrumbs they'd been leaving us in that regard.
01:12:30
Ryan
Totally. And to the other nerds who shared it on their you know like shout, again, kind of what Ooxie was referencing earlier, like it was so fun to theory craft and to see other people's stuff and to like hear what other people thought and like to be like, no, that's wrong. That's wrong. To like sit and listen to other people's theories and be like, um No, you're way off, like you're way, way off, but cute that you thought so. Um, but yeah, shout out to the other nerds who picked up on the stuff that we didn't because, you know, there was a lot, there was a lot to connect and picture and whatever. And again, I hope more people understand why
01:13:20
Ryan
consuming content like this is fun for the sake of like being able to like reference and you know think back like yeah it's a lot of work to keep up on the content but like it's so fucking fun when it pays off like that like that was that was a that was self-refer self-referential to mostly itself But then all of the clues that we start put to put together, like the entire end of the credits, um I noticed in the credits, they have a map of Westview and they have a pentagram inside of a hexagon. And someone pointed out that, you know, a pentagram is five sides because um Billy could
01:14:07
Ryan
control, or it's, you know, it's five points. Billy could control all five senses, but he couldn't control their minds. And that's why ah oh Scarlet Witch's spell was a hexagon because it was all five senses, like what they could see here, feel, taste, blah, blah, blah, blah, and also she had control over their minds.
01:14:34
Ryan
That's wild, but it also, again, is like very, okay, cool, why else would they show this pentagram inside of a hexagon over the town that Wanda had a spell over? like what the the It's just so fun and I'm so glad we got to do that again.
01:14:53
Ryan
um Any other closing thoughts for episode eight?
01:14:59
Uxy
Oh my god, the walk out where he walks out of her house and he puts her hood up, or he puts his hood up exactly like Wanda did when she leaves Westview.
01:15:03
Ryan
Yes.
01:15:06
Uxy
And then he gets in his little car, and instead of flying in away, it's like, oh, yep, get back in your Subaru and go home.
01:15:07
Ryan
Yes.
01:15:08
Shauna (she/her)
His Subaru.
01:15:09
Ryan
This little fucking Subaru.
01:15:15
Ryan
Yes. Get back in the Subaru.
01:15:18
Shauna (she/her)
That's not in my chemical romance.
01:15:18
Ryan
Did you see that Instagram exchange?
01:15:21
Shauna (she/her)
Wait, which Instagram exchange?
01:15:24
Ryan
Um, Subaru's Instagram account commented on something and said, like, we saw what kind of car he drives.
01:15:28
Shauna (she/her)
Go on.
Subaru's Niche Marketing
01:15:31
Ryan
And Joe Locke responded to it and said something like, well, when you need something reliable. And like, it was just, that's what every lesbian, why did you buy your Subaru, Shauna and family?
01:15:46
Shauna (she/her)
It's very reliable.
01:15:49
Ryan
It's gay culture to own a Subaru.
01:15:50
Shauna (she/her)
And it's stereotype. Look, and I do love the story of why Subaru's are gay culture that it was.
01:15:56
Ryan
Wait, what is that?
01:15:58
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, so they were we were like, lesbians were explicitly targeted as the audience because they saw they're like, oh, this is like a market of people that were not applied, like appealed to at all.
01:15:59
Uxy
Ha ha ha!
01:16:09
Shauna (she/her)
And so they saw this like market gap. And so then they started. like putting ads in more lesbian places and kind of like soft depicting. And so like a lot of like women hiking together kind of like ads and like, so it was, and that's how I kind of became this like de facto, you know, it was a very intentional choice on Subaru to market themselves to queer women.
01:16:33
Shauna (she/her)
And so I thought that was such an interesting, like, like marketing strategy back.
01:16:33
Ryan
Love that. Oh, super. So it was literally just, yeah, it was just a marketing strategy that worked.
01:16:38
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah. You know, like this is, yeah like I thought that was kind of a cool like this like a neat like oh hey there's money to be had here that nobody's cashing in on why not us
01:16:51
Ryan
Right. Right. These, these, these women love to, to use these bike racks, whether if it's for bikes on a trail or all of your belongings after a second date.
01:17:08
Ryan
Okay, Ooxie, take us into episode nine.
01:17:13
Uxy
So episode nine as Billy is coming to the realization that he made the road and then here's Agatha's boo. We then cut to 1750 where Agatha is giving birth to Nikki and as she's doing so she's looking very alarmed kind of looking all over the woods as she's kind of picking up that like something's wrong and that's when we see death.
01:17:34
Uxy
she pleads with her, please don't take him, and Ryo ends up giving her six years of extra time and and essentially giving her a special treatment by giving her more time with her son, which I thought was
01:17:48
Ryan
So some, yeah, go.
01:17:50
Uxy
kind of just a like you saying earlier that it was like alluding that it was supposed to be like a stillborn, or it wasn't going to make it. And so then Rio granting her that life was just kind of like the little extra gift that she could give her and then when she calls her my love to like I feel going back to the whole um getting more time and figuring or seeing how Rio and Agatha first met because I mean the fact that we just get the whole alluding to them being in a relationship her calling her might love I would have loved to have seen how they initially met other than Jen's comment of them meeting over corpses.
01:18:25
Ryan
Right, exactly. One of the um other things that I thought was really interesting was when Agatha bites down on the lemon um to suppress her screams in childbirth, I was like, wow. I thought the depiction of childbirth that she was like, was really interesting. Again, like we, you know, thinking about how women have, or people have traditionally given birth over you know the centuries and like she was just walking it out. The best she could do was just walk that bitch into labor and then fucking put her face on a lemon to hold her screens back. It was pretty cool.
01:19:16
Uxy
So then from here, we end up seeing Agatha spending the next six years raising her son, running a con to kill witches, manipulating them for power, which then the Niki eventually ends up growing to oppose it all and doesn't like it anymore. um But with them creating this con, moving from village to village, they create this song, ah children's song together, which we end up finding out is the Witches Road song. um And They take this ah as they go from village to village and during one of their last stops, Nikki eventually grows sick and death takes them devastating Agatha.
01:19:56
Ryan
One thing that I definitely did not clock until someone pointed out on the internet is like, Nikki does look a lot like Rio and like, you know, Rio is the father of her child. um Not literally, but like, you know, she's not, she's not the stepdad. She's the dad who stepped up.
01:20:15
Shauna (she/her)
Wait, we don't know that. Maybe that's how there's trans representation.
01:20:19
Ryan
Maybe, maybe.
01:20:20
Shauna (she/her)
that um that's the
01:20:21
Ryan
I mean, Cece, Mystique and Destiny.
01:20:24
Shauna (she/her)
Right. That's what I'm saying. Like maybe it's like a situation like that going on. We don't, we don't know, but no, but like, and I also like, you know, I think it was interesting when he was like, yeah, uh, my mother needs me home.
01:20:29
Ryan
We don't know.
01:20:35
Shauna (she/her)
And it's like later that night is the one that he gets taken because death takes him home. And I thought that was a really interesting, like, Oh.
01:20:44
Ryan
Someone... Yeah. um
01:20:50
Ryan
someone pointed out like he was not weirded out when he saw death and like the language, the way that they spoke to each other, you know, like he kind of points at her at Agatha and says, like, give her a kiss.
01:21:04
Ryan
Like, you know, he knows that he's supposed to go with her. And so, like, you know, has she been visiting him? Like, has has she been preparing him because she cares, you know, like.
01:21:15
Shauna (she/her)
Mm.
01:21:15
Uxy
in his dreams probably like visiting him at like when he sleeps because like another theory I saw flowing it around there is that maybe Agatha was the reason that Agatha was running this con with Nikki of like killing witches is because she was literally doing that as like a token to Rio to like buy him some more time because of course the one night that they don't kill anyone that's the night that he died
01:21:19
Ryan
Yeah.
01:21:37
Ryan
Mmm.
01:21:38
Uxy
so it's like i tell and so a sacrifice was missed and that's why she was like oh this is my opportunity and he was so comfortable with her because every day was maybe uh is this the day is this the day no one was killed in my name or no one was killed as a token
01:21:39
Ryan
Mmm.
01:21:53
Ryan
Right. Well, I also think, I mean, because it was interesting when we pick up with our action, I went back and looked, so um it was...
01:22:07
Ryan
1750 when we pick up with her at the beginning of episode 9 and at the end of WandaVision we find out that she was expelled, she killed her coven in 1693.
01:22:20
Ryan
So she had been alone for like 50 something years at that point turning these, you know, turning these, not tricks or whatever, you know, but like
01:22:20
Uxy
Yeah.
01:22:21
Shauna (she/her)
Okay.
01:22:31
Ryan
kind of pulling this con, which is a lot of time for her to either do it to collect, keep death on her side, and keep, you know, her away from Nikki, or because that was just like, you know, she was bound to eventually see death at all of these things, ah you know, killing all of these witches in all these places where she's donating bodies, because they say in that ah recording episode, the, um, uh,
01:23:02
Ryan
Alice's trial when you know, she says just like the good old days like you knock them up and I'll shut them down like she was giving her bodies and It is interesting that they hadn't ah You know, they didn't kill anyone and that's nice she took Nikki Yeah
01:23:22
Uxy
You know, that's why I think like the whole them constructing the ballad of the witches road, like I feel like that could have been shortened like this is just like the last critique I had of the series and like the this episode in general was they probably could have for sure cut out like there was just a lot of her and this little boy singing they definitely could have shortened that and given us like a quick
01:23:44
Ryan
Right montage.
01:23:45
Uxy
meet you. Yeah, like a montage of like their meet you and how they end up getting me and then like this like relationship they established with maybe beforehand Agatha was only killing like one witch at a time.
01:23:47
Ryan
Yeah.
01:23:56
Uxy
And that's when they met over this one dead witch's body.
01:23:56
Ryan
Right.
01:23:58
Uxy
But then the whole thing happened with Nicky and then she's like, has to be a coven now, which is it has to be a more powerful death to keep my child alive, not only just my child, but myself too. I mean, we don't know.
01:24:08
Uxy
Like that's what leaves us all up to speculation is because we truly don't know what their meet cute was, what their arrangement was, or if it really just was kill anybody for me and I love you.
01:24:11
Ryan
Right.
01:24:19
Ryan
Right, because again, she had killed her coven 50 years prior, like, so it wasn't the first time that she realized she could suck off a whole group of witches.
01:24:27
Uxy
that
01:24:27
Ryan
Like, she knew what she was capable of, and so I definitely think, yeah, she knew she could suck off witches.
01:24:31
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, she definitely knew. Definitely not the first time.
01:24:36
Ryan
Yeah. So, like, you know, i i'm I'm curious, you know, if it was just, uh, easy, easy appraisal, or if it was just like, you know, here you go, I'm doing this anyways, so.
01:24:49
Shauna (she/her)
Easy Appeasal.
01:24:51
Ryan
Yeah.
01:24:52
Shauna (she/her)
I like easy.
01:24:55
Ryan
Yeah, I definitely said that and I was like, those are cute words next to each other.
01:25:01
Shauna (she/her)
Easier.
01:25:02
Uxy
Well, with Nikki's death and her losing her shit with nothing holding her back anymore either, she spends like centuries murdering witches, stealing powers by conning them by promising the road. And then that's how we get this whole montage of them coming to the realization that Agatha up until that point was about to kill one more set of witches. And then all of a sudden this job that she's been applying for for centuries becomes real and she gets tired and she's like, what the fuck? There's a door. There's never been a door here.
01:25:31
Ryan
That, again, like it was, that was the combination of these two sort of like reveals of what was actually happening.
01:25:42
Ryan
I cannot wait to go back and rewatch the entire thing because, you know, like you said, the look on her face when the door appears is now looking at
01:25:44
Shauna (she/her)
Oh my gosh.
01:25:51
Shauna (she/her)
And you see him just run down like.
01:25:55
Ryan
Yes.
01:25:55
Uxy
Well, I think they give us a different pan of that scene because I think when you see it, it's like you see her side profile.
01:25:56
Ryan
He- They did.
01:26:01
Uxy
And then when it's like the realization that she made that all up and there's a door all of a sudden, and she like looks annoyed because it clicks her. She's like, this bitch's son just made a goddamn road underneath my basement.
01:26:10
Ryan
Yeah.
01:26:14
Ryan
Yep. So, speaking of the, this bitch's son, um I was trying to work through, like, so when did she know that it wasn't Nikki? Because Obviously in that moment, she was like, huh, this is new. There's only one new factor here, and it's this homosexual boy that's been following me. um So it must be him.
01:26:45
Ryan
So, like, you know, you have to imagine, she said, like, you know, your tell or whatever, and what Uxy and I, we were laughing about it when we watched it, like, his tell is that he loves witches shit.
01:26:55
Ryan
Like, every single, you know, thing in his poster told us who he was and what he was gonna incorporate, just like his mom loved sitcoms.
01:27:04
Uxy
Mm hmm.
01:27:04
Ryan
And so he shaped, you know, reality around the things that he loved. And ah so I'm curious, like, Did she immediately know it was Billy and then hope that it was maybe Nikki?
01:27:18
Ryan
Like, because she doesn't find out that it's definitely not Nikki until Rio tells her in like episode four, maybe?
01:27:25
Shauna (she/her)
Maybe she thought it was also like a split Billy Nikki situation. She was with us and she thought it was a duel.
01:27:29
Ryan
Maybe.
01:27:32
Shauna (she/her)
like
01:27:33
Uxy
Yeah, because I mean, now knowing that they were walking along together side by side created this song and like he's basically the creator of this fictional road and him saying, take me on the road.
01:27:34
Shauna (she/her)
and the
01:27:42
Ryan
Right.
01:27:45
Uxy
I can see how she could have been hopeful. Like nobody knows about the road and nobody knows what the road actually is other than my son.
01:27:49
Ryan
Right.
01:27:51
Uxy
And here's this little boy I don't know and I've never seen before being so adamant about the road.
01:27:52
Ryan
Right.
01:27:56
Uxy
And it's just weird because beforehand, probably a bunch of it was probably just like female witches approaching her about the road.
01:28:02
Ryan
Right.
01:28:02
Uxy
And now it's like this boy, I mean, assumption, but it's just it the core the way it correella ah correlates to her past life and like the present.
01:28:05
Ryan
Right.
01:28:11
Uxy
For sure, she probably hoped it was him. But at that moment when the door actually appeared and then at that moment where he runs down the stairs, she probably was like, no, something's off, like something's way off.
01:28:20
Ryan
Yeah. um Someone pointed out you know the if you go back and look at the whole Sparky thing when um Tommy or Billy says to Wanda and WandaVision, you can do anything. like you know bring Bring Sparky back from the dead. And Agatha says, you can do that. And there's this like genuine look of, like Oh my god, Kamyu type of thing.
01:28:50
Ryan
And so, you know, I don't think this was a we knew at like, they knew that far ahead that they were going to invest in Agatha as a character to give her that direction.
01:28:51
Shauna (she/her)
Mm hmm.
01:29:02
Ryan
But like, what a cool connection to think like, maybe she thought like, Okay, this is definitely some weird shit with the Scarlet Witch's son, and maybe he can also bring my kid back to life.
01:29:16
Ryan
Like, maybe he can find a way to bring me Nikki.
01:29:19
Uxy
Mm hmm.
01:29:20
Shauna (she/her)
Because I remember Agatha had like the baby in Wandavision too. like she was like Her motherhood has been a part of the character even going back then.
01:29:24
Ryan
Right.
01:29:29
Shauna (she/her)
And so it's interesting to see that still also.
01:29:29
Ryan
Totally.
01:29:33
Uxy
Alright, so Agatha tells ah Billy as he's coming to the realization that he may have just killed his coven. um She basically explains to him that the road isn't real, that she made it all up.
01:29:46
Uxy
ah She was already planning on killing them like we mentioned. And at least one good thing happened about them going on the road, which is essentially that Jen is still alive and she was unbound.
01:29:49
Ryan
it
01:29:56
Uxy
And she got to live her life free of being bound. um And As Billy's coming to the realization that a Agatha is going to be around, he heads back to Vesphew to try and banish her, which she, of course, resists having to, like, the whole reason I think that she's holding on is she actually became a ah ghost and took that calculated risk, um was because she knew that she could probably hold herself back from moving on because she, at still, centuries later, still afraid to like face her son.
01:30:26
Uxy
um And also, I think her attachment to Billy also kept her there. So it was kind of like a double, a two-sided thing that she was holding her back.
01:30:32
Ryan
yeah
01:30:36
Uxy
And so um she takes that risk, becomes that ghost.
01:30:40
Ryan
Yeah.
01:30:42
Uxy
Billy relents and allows Agatha Spirit to guide him at the end. And after sealing the entrance to the road and recording the names of the fallen, Billy and Agatha set out to find Tommy. And then we get no end credit scenes.
01:30:54
Uxy
So we don't even know where they were.
01:30:55
Ryan
No end credits scene.
01:30:56
Shauna (she/her)
discipline Which Jack Shafer wanted and had multiple written and I'm so mad that they were like, no, that's okay, we're good.
01:31:03
Ryan
Right, we need, which, okay, fine, like it is kind of, um it is something that has adapted into like movie and TV culture for those to be expected.
01:31:03
Shauna (she/her)
I'm tearing there.
01:31:03
Uxy
Yeah, Marvel told her no land credit scenes.
01:31:20
Ryan
And I think it's kind of good to keep it like, surprise, because instead of it being like an expert expectation expectation, like it has become, um
01:31:29
Shauna (she/her)
Why does it have to not be an expectation in the media that I want it for?
01:31:33
Ryan
No, do that for Secret Invasion when no one wants to see anything else from Secret Invasion.
01:31:37
Shauna (she/her)
One, you're a great idea.
01:31:40
Ryan
We're good. No more bad scroll footage. We're good.
Marvel's Future Plans
01:31:44
Uxy
Well, I think it's also like a like a secure or an insurance risk, I think is like they're not not trying to promise anything when, you know, the Jonathan major of it all, like something could completely knock it off, like, production and like plans change again.
01:31:55
Ryan
right
01:31:59
Uxy
So I think it's also like an insurance on them to not over promise and then have to backtrack yet again on something else because someone they hire was maybe problematic or something.
01:32:08
Ryan
Right, right. And especially when it's like, they're not even that important yet. Like, yeah, kingng was Kang was becoming important, but thankfully, you know, it wasn't like the guy that played Thanos, like, dropped the hard R on a microphone the day before Civil War came out.
01:32:12
Uxy
Right.
01:32:24
Ryan
Or not Civil War, war like, Infinity Game. Infinity Game?
01:32:29
Ryan
Infinity War came out. um So yeah, I guess that's smart. I really loved the interaction where, you know, um he seals the road and writes the the fallen witch's names and the cement was really beautiful
01:33:07
Ryan
And then, again, he starts to do it, just like we were talking about with Jen and the Unbinding. um But like my question, is it analog magic that he's doing, or is he just reality warping because that's his power set?
01:33:19
Uxy
I think it's reality warping.
01:33:19
Ryan
like
01:33:20
Uxy
Because like in the comic books, I think they also did a good job of showing the direction that his magic is going to go in. Because like even when he was using his like blue magic, there was like sparks, or it was something electricity related.
01:33:30
Ryan
Right.
01:33:36
Uxy
In his intro, like the power outlines were exploding, the light bulbs were exploding.
01:33:39
Ryan
Yeah.
01:33:40
Uxy
Because when we first when we first meet Wiccan in the comics, his the only thing that he can conjure are like lightning-based attacks. So they kind of pay homage to that with like incorporating that ah little detail because like Juan does this very like smoky, very like fluid and his is very just electrical.
01:33:56
Ryan
Yeah. Wiggly loose.
01:33:58
Uxy
Yeah and his is very just electrical, charged, So then in the comics he ends up you know realizing that his powers are way more than that and he can actually warp reality and the way that he does like spells quote on quote is by like repeating the same thing over and over again in his head and like willing it into existence.
01:34:17
Uxy
So like I mean but then again it's the MCU they might retcon it and do it like a whole different way where it's not that he can't be that OP because
01:34:18
Ryan
Yes.
01:34:26
Uxy
That's just, no game man should be OP in the MCU or whatever they want to go with, whatever their decision is.
01:34:26
Ryan
Right.
01:34:30
Ryan
Right.
01:34:32
Uxy
um but I mean, they could be one of two ways.
01:34:32
Ryan
Right.
01:34:36
Ryan
Yeah, I think um the like hurried speech will thing is is cute. um And... also kind of even, again, when he's like running down the road in the first or the second episode, he's going like, is that the door to the road?
01:34:50
Ryan
Because we should really get going. And like that hurried speech, like that's kind of how his spells are in the comics. like they They write it in like really tight, condensed font all running into like one sentence.
01:35:01
Shauna (she/her)
Interest.
01:35:03
Ryan
And so it's supposed to give that sense of he's just like repeating something really fast and hoping that it works. um And then, of course, it always does because he can warp reality. um But there was also a specific moment that I am praying was Jack Schaeffer's gay ass or someone's witchy ass referencing Prue because before they leave the basement, he just head nods to the door and that's how the doors of the basement open.
01:35:33
Ryan
And that's how they end every season of Charmed. Like the first three are, are Prue Halliwell using her magic to close the door. And they just carry that on through the end of the, through the entire series.
01:35:45
Ryan
That felt like a specific witchy nod.
01:35:45
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm.
01:35:48
Ryan
Like if you know, you know type shit.
01:35:48
Shauna (she/her)
Please.
01:35:49
Uxy
Yeah. Because how are you going to make another witch show and not? A witch show that references so many historical witches or witches of the past or whatever and not not to them.
01:35:57
Ryan
Right.
01:36:01
Shauna (she/her)
ah
01:36:01
Ryan
Right. Any overall thoughts on any, that I mean, we obviously fanned out super hard, but hopes for the future, theories or things we know for sure. Like we know Vision Quest is coming. We don't necessarily know if there's an assumption that a character that's been cast is Vision's son, whether that'll be Tommy or Victor Vision, his um Android son in the comics. What else do we know?
01:36:33
Uxy
They also they cast that character.
01:36:33
Ryan
We know that there's a Hulk. Yeah, sorry. but
01:36:37
Uxy
It's another teen character. So like their name is going to be teen. And at least for until the show starts, they might just do that up until select to not make a huge reveal. But it was like reported that they cast another character by the name of teen.
01:36:46
Ryan
Right.
01:36:50
Uxy
And so they probably won't do what they did with Billy, where it's like a whole season like, who is this?
01:36:54
Ryan
Yeah, they can't. Yeah, can't do that again.
01:36:56
Uxy
Because that's not too much. So you can do a repeat just because it was successful once.
01:36:59
Ryan
Yeah.
01:37:00
Uxy
I don't think it's going to happen again. and But they probably will like but i release who it actually is.
01:37:03
Ryan
Right.
01:37:07
Ryan
Yeah. Any other thoughts or exciting things for the end of the program?
01:37:13
Shauna (she/her)
No, I. I'm just happy to, I thought it just was really good and I'm just excited to see, like I don't always leave like excited and wanting more in this kind of way but I feel like it really left me wanting more of this part of the universe and so I'm excited for when we get to see more of it.
01:37:30
Ryan
Yeah. Yes.
01:37:32
Uxy
So I guess a question for like the hopes for the future, like would you want a season two of Agatha All-Alon or just like an actual spin-off of Agatha and Billy?
01:37:33
Ryan
Me too.
01:37:44
Uxy
Because I mean it would still be like a season two but just with an under a different title or a different because then that's what I'm curious is like how we're gonna see them next like are we gonna see them at the end of Vision Quest? Um, cause you know, if Tommy is introduced in that in some way, shape or form, and then they show up to kind of tie it all together. Like that's what I guess I'm curious about is like, if they're going to actually do a season two or a spinoff or just introduce them at the end of vision quest and then lead off into like young adventures or something.
01:38:13
Ryan
I feel like Young Avengers is where we're going to get a lot of information filled in just because, again, like the the issue that they have, the the critique that so many non-nerds have is like, you have to watch all these things to be able to understand what is happening in each of these, like all the the properties are dependent on one another. And I think having, you know, the next big project where we're really getting to know Billy as Wiccan, it makes sense to like, we maybe we don't need a whole another show.
01:38:52
Ryan
Maybe we just need them to be the final pieces of the Young Avengers. And so we get that piece or like, you know, I'm i'm i'm curious and I'm hopeful.
01:38:58
Shauna (she/her)
I hope so.
01:39:02
Ryan
I don't know that I want a whole other season just because the, the, not the gimmick, but the plot device that they used of The Witches Road with it being him and like just the way that they brought those, you can't recreate that.
01:39:18
Ryan
I'm sure there's some clever way to do that, but like there is no season two for that. Like I'm just excited for whatever the follow-up property is.
01:39:27
Uxy
Right.
01:39:28
Ryan
Like This was very much so.
01:39:29
Shauna (she/her)
I agree.
01:39:30
Ryan
The follow-up to WandaVision. What's next? Obviously Vision Quest, but um I'm just nervous about that one because it's a boy. And I don't like boys shows. I like girl shows.
01:39:41
Ryan
So I don't know how I'm gonna relate to Paul Bettany, but we'll see.
01:39:47
Shauna (she/her)
Very carefully.
01:39:47
Uxy
i but me though I wasn't really a vision fanatic in terms of like fan like, you know, just nerding out on my character, but Paul Denny makes him a great character to love.
01:39:54
Shauna (she/her)
Visions fine.
01:39:56
Ryan
Yeah.
01:39:59
Ryan
Yeah, agreed.
01:40:00
Shauna (she/her)
But I agree though, like vision's just okay.
01:40:01
Ryan
Agreed.
01:40:02
Shauna (she/her)
Like I've never been like, well, you're you sure are there. Like, that's how I feel.
01:40:07
Uxy
and
01:40:07
Ryan
Right, right. Agreed. um Especially when, you know, like WandaVision getting a spin-off made a lot of, like, or Scarlet Witch getting a spin-off made a lot of sense. There was like momentum of her character building and she's like crazy powerful, like,
01:40:27
Ryan
Why, okay, all right. We only got interest in vision from Wanda's show, which I guess is true for Agatha Harkness, but like, yeah, I don't know.
01:40:39
Ryan
We'll see, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see.
01:40:39
Shauna (she/her)
The glory of Catherine Rahn, yeah.
01:40:41
Ryan
but Exactly, but you know, Ooxie loves Paul Bettany, so perhaps perhaps we're we're missing something.
01:40:47
Uxy
I mean, I don't like Paul Bettany as I'm not like a huge actor.
01:40:50
Ryan
Yeah, no, no, I know.
01:40:50
Uxy
and I just mean, like I love what he's done with the care. I mean, when he delivers a line like what is love but grief or what is grief but love persevering, like you can't deliver a line and line like that and not just make me, you know, completely fall in love with the robot.
01:40:56
Ryan
Please.
01:41:03
Ryan
Fall in love. Fall in love with a robot, and also because you are the Scarlet Witch. Thank you both for ah you know hopping on on this Sunday evening post Halloween, post Agatha finale. We've got a lot more fun things to look forward to.
01:41:25
Ryan
ah Follow us on RealHotNerdPod and we will see you next time.
01:41:33
Uxy
Te veo!
01:41:34
Ryan
Bye. theyo