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12: 2024 in Review (Part 1)
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Once again, a little technical hiccup (my wifi dropping) resulted in us having to put this episode out in 2 parts. Which just means more episodes!
Join us as we (unsuccessfully try to) review 2024 in pop culture. But just like any good nerd knows, you have to do a little bit of world-building first. Enjoy!
Opinions shared by the hosts and/or guests of Real Hot Nerd Shit are their own and do not represent any workplace or organization with whom they may or may not be affiliated.
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Transcript
00:00:31
Ryan
Not twice, we can only hold it in for so long.
00:00:31
Shauna (she/her)
ah
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Ryan
ah We're gonna keep that because it's the end of
00:00:37
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
Introduction to Real Hot Nerd Shit
00:00:38
Ryan
the year.
00:00:39
Ryan
Welcome to Real Hot Nerd Shit, a pop culture podcast where real hot nerds talk about real nerd shit. I'm your host, Ryan.
00:00:47
Shauna (she/her)
And I'm your co-host Shana.
00:00:48
Ryan
And we barely kept it together to not laugh through that intro. um And I don't really know what it is. Perhaps you were experiencing the same thing as me, which is like, it does kind of give me the giggles every time I listen to it, because first of all, I'm like, I made that.
00:01:03
Ryan
And second of all, this is our podcast. And third of all, it's filled with things that I want to repeat out loud. So I don't know if that's what you were giggling about, but that's what I was giggling about.
00:01:10
Shauna (she/her)
ah Well, what does happen when I try to start violating and I think it was like I shrugged my shoulders and I was like, that is a oh, yeah, that's right.
00:01:22
Shauna (she/her)
I had to.
00:01:22
Ryan
the same thing as everybody else.
00:01:25
Ryan
Sometimes they lose a due call like my toad.
00:01:25
Shauna (she/her)
Of course.
00:01:28
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, my gosh, that poor sweetheart, I am so glad you took such good care.
00:01:30
Ryan
My baby.
Ryan's Dog Adventure
00:01:33
Ryan
Yeah, he, um so to our loyal listeners, in case anyone does not also follow us on social media, and already knows this, my sweet angel perfect baby um cracked his dewclaw at the end of last week and then it just like progressively got worse and so i had to take him into the vet on monday and he got the whole thing chopped off and um he's completely okay and he has a little cast on and he's not even bothering with it
00:02:02
Ryan
Like I do not have to do anything other than occasionally be like, okay, just leave that alone. And he listens. He's the sweetest dog. I have to put a little booty over it so it doesn't get wet. And he like literally just like hands me his paw and stares at me like, I don't get this, but okay. Angel, absolute angel. Speaking of angel, um you have two of my favorite icons over well several of my favorite icons over your shoulder.
Shauna's Holiday Traditions
00:02:33
Ryan
Shauna, talk about your your holiday decorations and you might have to describe a little bit because some people will be listening and then watching.
00:02:40
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, so a holiday tradition in our household is my spouse Dara always goes around and makes little stuff, little hats Santa hats for all of our different figures.
00:02:52
Shauna (she/her)
And so over here, you have Raela from Dragon Prince wearing a little scarf and Buffy and Faith wearing hats as is Commander Shepherd. And then of course, Sarah Lance and Captain Cold from Legends of Tomorrow and My Honor Earp.
00:03:09
Shauna (she/her)
And so you've got a little holiday decor and then the, what's one?
00:03:10
Ryan
And Spider Gwen's back there, but she doesn't have it. Does Spider Gwen have a hat on or a scarf?
00:03:15
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, ah she has a, well, and she's like the most sturdy for some reason to see out. So she has like a little scarf.
00:03:21
Ryan
Work.
00:03:22
Shauna (she/her)
She's all set up.
00:03:23
Ryan
Wow, Dara really made it flying in the wind.
00:03:26
Shauna (she/her)
You know, that's what they do, you know. Like we have a Hulk. Well, I have a Dara and whenever I need a problem solved that's artistically based, that's what they're there for.
00:03:36
Shauna (she/her)
in a And just, and throughout the duration of our relationship.
00:03:36
Ryan
Agreed.
00:03:39
Shauna (she/her)
And I just love it. Appreciate that so much. sweet Which they've also been making me memes for our other latest obsession, which has been Marvel Rivals, which we'll get into that for a bit, but also you have nerdy Christmas.
00:03:45
Ryan
Yeah.
00:03:49
Ryan
Oh, great.
00:03:53
Shauna (she/her)
Um, so something we've had for. probably six, seven years now is we always have an angel on top of our tree, but it is David Boreanaz, an action figure for him. So we always make sure that that is a feature of our Christmas. And then Dara also made a ornament for me one year that is Willow and Terra hugging, like but it's their action figures. so and so And it's really cute and Christmassy. So those are our two like Buffy staples of our Christmas tree. And like and i am I'm very fortunate because I have a lot of my childhood ornaments. So like going back, like the old like you know Disney and like Ninja Turtles and
00:04:31
Shauna (she/her)
all sorts of different things that I like are, you know, just traditions on our tree.
00:04:35
Ryan
Still relevant and still very much so a part of your life.
00:04:37
Shauna (she/her)
Absolutely. So relevant in my life and still very much make me like smile, you know, make our family smile.
00:04:39
Ryan
Yeah.
00:04:43
Shauna (she/her)
And so I'm very lucky to have been able to keep that.
00:04:43
Ryan
Yeah.
00:04:45
Shauna (she/her)
And so yeah, I love, I love Christmas. Like I think Halloween is still my favorite, but like, I do love the festivities and getting into the spirit and,
00:04:51
Ryan
Yeah.
Ryan's Holiday Experiences
00:04:54
Ryan
I like that people are like generally a little cheerier to to each other. um i um Being raised Jewish, like Christmas always felt... I don't even really know like the right word for it. like i Indifferent. I think I am still indifferent to it.
00:04:54
Shauna (she/her)
you know, there's a lot.
00:05:13
Ryan
um I am admittedly somewhat a materialistic person, so any opportunity for gifts, both giving and receiving. um I'm versed when it comes to gifts.
00:05:24
Ryan
I get too excited about it. and I love giving gifts. It's so fun. I love getting gifts.
00:05:28
Shauna (she/her)
So.
00:05:29
Ryan
It's just as fun. um but Yeah, my my like whole experience with Christmas was with my ex. And like, so I had no traditions that were just mine because I didn't celebrate it growing up up.
00:05:44
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, that makes sense.
00:05:46
Ryan
And then I didn't, I've only ever celebrated with another person. So last year, actually shout out to Taryn who helped me kind of like figure out what I got, what I wanted to keep and what I wanted to make new.
00:05:57
Ryan
Like I didn't have a Christmas tree until like December 20th last year. And truthfully, I, you know, it kind of comes and goes in terms of like, if I actually want to keep it up or whatever, I'm just like, this is mostly out of um a tradition that I established as an adult, albeit with another person that does bring me joy. And this year and last year, I decorated it with Taran. And so it still felt very joyful. But it is definitely a weird, like,
00:06:28
Ryan
trying to come down on where I feel about the holidays in general. like i'm you know I don't really have a relationship with my family of origin.
00:06:32
Shauna (she/her)
Sure.
00:06:37
Ryan
My family, the the family that I've created, like I love spending all this time. like this um Anytime we're all off work and get to hang out whenever we want to, aces, thrilled about it.
00:06:49
Ryan
um But like I think the emotional weight of how everyone sort of romanticizes what this time of year is supposed to be both like romantically, romantically, but also like romantic in the sense of like it's supposed to be perfect and and whatever.
00:07:07
Ryan
And like, I think we've all accepted that that's just not real life, but like sometimes it is. And I think people that get to experience that around the holidays, like it makes me happy that it makes them happy, but it just sort of like slides off me.
00:07:24
Ryan
You know what I mean? I'm just like, okay.
00:07:26
Shauna (she/her)
absolutely
00:07:26
Ryan
I like often forget that Christmas is coming.
00:07:29
Shauna (she/her)
No. And like, I understand that, especially like you said, between being raised and where it is in like, just kind of an adult space.
00:07:36
Ryan
here
00:07:36
Shauna (she/her)
I think that's a very, you know, like very fair perspective. And, you know, like for in our house, Darrow's, you know, raised Jewish. And so they, but they did celebrate Christmas still. And like, they decorated like the one tree in their house.
00:07:48
Shauna (she/her)
Like that wasn't a person that wasn't like, it was just the tree that they decorated.
00:07:53
Ryan
And technically Hanukkah is the festival of lights.
00:07:53
Shauna (she/her)
You know, and that's true.
00:07:55
Ryan
I used to get so mad about that as a kid when I was like, they can took that. all We get eight candles, which is like a beautiful like ceremony, but like,
00:08:06
Ryan
The Jews should be decorating our homes. like we it's That's ours.
00:08:09
Shauna (she/her)
Absolutely.
00:08:11
Ryan
Y'all got a baby. We got lamps. So that's the difference between Christmas and all I got.
00:08:15
Shauna (she/her)
And bringing light, right, bringing light and joy. And, you know, and especially this year where the first night of Hanukkah is Christmas Day.
00:08:20
Ryan
True.
00:08:23
Ryan
That is wild.
00:08:24
Shauna (she/her)
And so.
00:08:24
Ryan
But I
Hanukkah and Christmas Overlap
00:08:25
Ryan
do not remember. I don't think that that's happened and in my life that I can recall.
00:08:30
Shauna (she/her)
Gosh, I don't I i would. Yeah, that's fast. i'm I'm curious when the last time was.
00:08:34
Ryan
Let me Google.
00:08:35
Shauna (she/her)
So this is where we need a producer.
00:08:35
Ryan
has
00:08:37
Shauna (she/her)
This is where like we would come in and like fact check, be like, who's already like looking it up as we're talking about it.
00:08:38
Ryan
Right.
00:08:41
Ryan
right Right.
00:08:43
Shauna (she/her)
That's, that's the future. That's 2025 goals.
00:08:46
Ryan
I started typing, has Hanukkah ever been ah what i oh on Christmas?
00:08:53
Ryan
The sunset of December, sorry, 2005 was the last time. And then before that was 1959.
00:09:01
Shauna (she/her)
No, shoot. Okay.
00:09:03
Ryan
Before that was 1921. And before that was 1910. So this is...
00:09:10
Shauna (she/her)
Gosh, the lunar, that lunar calendar is always wild how that works out in those ways.
00:09:15
Ryan
Right. Like the that...
00:09:17
Shauna (she/her)
And so it's nice that we can, with our families, like we can do, we're doing Christmas with my one partner Kelly's family on Christmas day, and then we're doing Hanukkah with Dara's parents the next night on the second, or the second night, just in the way that it works out.
00:09:32
Ryan
Beautiful.
00:09:33
Shauna (she/her)
And so it's really good that we can kind of have a continued spread out celebration and Yeah, like in but at the end of the day, the holidays are about people.
00:09:43
Ryan
Right.
00:09:44
Shauna (she/her)
And that's where like you said about gift giving and you know, what you know, I look it's anything gift giving. I both love doing it, but sometimes it's difficult when I don't know.
00:09:55
Shauna (she/her)
If i if nothing is speaking to me, if there isn't like an idea that comes, I feel like that's always the hard part.
00:09:57
Ryan
For sure. Yeah.
00:10:01
Shauna (she/her)
Because sometimes it's like, oh, this is so-and-so. This I want to get.
00:10:04
Ryan
Yeah.
00:10:04
Shauna (she/her)
and like And I love that the holidays kind of empower you to go out of your way to do that. I think that's a really beautiful thing.
00:10:09
Ryan
yeah
00:10:11
Shauna (she/her)
So yeah, that's what Christmas means to me.
00:10:12
Ryan
Yeah. Do you keep a, I keep a running list. That's what Christmas means to me.
00:10:16
Shauna (she/her)
Oh my God. I do too.
00:10:17
Ryan
I keep a running list.
00:10:18
Shauna (she/her)
I've had a, I've had a gift list too. Absolutely. Where I think of a gift idea.
00:10:19
Ryan
Yeah.
00:10:21
Shauna (she/her)
And like, I actually went back in and just like got something for Kelly. Cause I had written it down and like, Oh yeah, I did want that.
00:10:28
Ryan
Yeah.
00:10:28
Shauna (she/her)
That's right. ah for
00:10:30
Ryan
Oh, haha. I did make a gift note for you. So, um, uh,
00:10:35
Shauna (she/her)
That's funny.
Polyamory and Family Acceptance
00:10:39
Ryan
Okay, so the thing that I was getting at about my my notes app is that I still have the note for like all the things that I have like 11 years of notes of what to get a person, my my ex.
00:10:39
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:10:53
Ryan
And I'm like, I feel like I can't delete it. This is a goldmine. Like, you why would I want to get rid of this? um But speaking of, ah you know, romantic partners, I was struck um you know, that this might be a cool opportunity to talk about how you navigate like ah the holidays being poly because you mentioned going to your one partners on Christmas day and going to your other partners, ah your spouses on um like this year for the second night of Hanukkah.
00:11:27
Ryan
Obviously, that is ideal, smooth sailing, like, you know, that it splits up like that. And I think anyone in a romantic relationship knows how difficult it is to manage sometimes, like, in-law expectations, but specifically, like, how do you how do you all show up? And like, what what was it like to have your first, you know, um like, Polly Christmas? Like, I'm fascinated.
00:11:54
Shauna (she/her)
Well, and I think this is where I am just so fortunate that both of my partner's families are so wonderful and accepting of all of us as we are, that we are able to come and do family celebrations where we are just, all of us are able to go and be a part of it.
00:12:05
Ryan
Yeah.
00:12:13
Shauna (she/her)
That is just a normal welcome thing that, you know, one, like we introduced Kelly cause, you know, my spouse and I, we've been together since we were 17. So we've, we have a lot, like, there's a lot to that.
00:12:27
Shauna (she/her)
And I, you know, I ill think I'll save this story for another day, but I do love the story of when we told Dara's parents that we were polyamorous and that I had been seeing someone and it was getting to the point where I wanted to say this to my, you know,
00:12:38
Ryan
oh
00:12:46
Shauna (she/her)
parent, ah you know, my family, my parent figures, you know, because especially like I don't, you know, I don't have any, you know, relationship with any of my biological family, like I'm very much, you know,
00:12:46
Ryan
Family, yeah.
00:12:57
Ryan
Yeah.
00:13:00
Ryan
Something that we share in common.
00:13:00
Shauna (she/her)
disconnected from all of that. Absolutely.
00:13:02
Ryan
Yeah, yeah, for better or for worse.
00:13:02
Shauna (she/her)
And so that is one of those. Exactly. And, you know, in a lot of ways it is better, but also a lot of ways it does suck.
00:13:08
Ryan
Yes.
00:13:09
Shauna (she/her)
And especially you can feel like these holidays where, you know, but I think I grew up traveling a lot for different holidays.
00:13:09
Ryan
Yeah.
00:13:17
Shauna (she/her)
So I think with to like traveling as in like going to different friends and, you know, that kind of their family.
00:13:22
Ryan
Yeah.
00:13:25
Ryan
Yeah.
00:13:25
Shauna (she/her)
And so being a guest at, I think really helped
00:13:28
Ryan
Totally.
00:13:28
Shauna (she/her)
both make this so much more important, where we kind of started, you know, doing a little like we would before our child was born, we would always like give each other gifts right at midnight on Christmas Eve has kind of became our way of making it special.
00:13:39
Ryan
Yeah.
00:13:42
Shauna (she/her)
And then, you know, we still do that some for some things, this are some more adults oriented gifts. But then, you know, now we have like, yeah, you don't want to always like, oh, yeah, that's you don't want to open the underwear package in front of like kids like you're like, that can save from the night before.
00:13:48
Ryan
Right.
00:13:55
Ryan
Right, exactly. Exactly. Hey, why did you get batteries for Christmas?
00:13:59
Shauna (she/her)
but Oh, well, you always want to make sure that your toys are batteries.
00:14:01
Ryan
Why did you give each other batteries?
00:14:06
Ryan
Exactly. A responsible adult always has batteries.
00:14:07
Shauna (she/her)
like that
00:14:10
Shauna (she/her)
The toys may change, but the truth of it all is the same.
00:14:11
Ryan
Right.
00:14:13
Shauna (she/her)
But yeah, so we're so we navigate it very, you know, we're very lucky that we can just all that we don't have to pick and choose.
00:14:13
Ryan
You better tell them.
00:14:19
Shauna (she/her)
We don't have to downplay ourselves or our relationships because that is a real pitfall that is
00:14:23
Ryan
Yeah.
00:14:27
Shauna (she/her)
that just, i my hair I feel so bad and I know so many people. like I had a long distance ex partner who would lost family because of, lost affection to his brother because he wouldn't accept my partner's other girlfriend that he lived with. like Because he actually had a very similar situation in mind where he lived with his spouse and then lived with his girlfriend and that partner. and then but where Kelly has been just loved and treated as a part of it and I don't have any siblings, but they had a big split and that is a very, it's I think one of those ways in which I think that polyamory isn't queer inherently, but there's so much overlap in how the systems treat those people that I think there's so much natural,
00:15:03
Ryan
Right. Yeah. When.
00:15:23
Shauna (she/her)
like There's so much natural synergy there and so much natural, like we should relate to each other and to our own struggles. And even if they're not our own and that doesn't speak to the degree or depth that is so much of queerness in many ways, that doesn't mean that there isn't a lot of overlap and a lot of where, and so many queer people are obviously also polyamorous because once you throw away one aspect of heteronormative society, it becomes these.
00:15:35
Ryan
Right.
00:15:38
Ryan
Agreed.
00:15:45
Ryan
Exactly. Right. When you realize it's all made up, you're like, oh, it's all made up? Got it.
00:15:52
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah. Well, but honestly,
00:15:52
Ryan
So we're doing whatever we want.
00:15:54
Shauna (she/her)
That was how Darren and I first really had our foray into polyamory was when I transitioned, you know, over a decade ago, because that was something that we had always, we had never really explored much of, but I think it was a, but I was always the, you know, in my friend group in my twenties, I was the one who's like,
00:16:02
Ryan
Right.
00:16:17
Shauna (she/her)
Deira never gave me shit for playing video games with my friends, where all the other partners were always kind of like resentful of that time in a different of way.
00:16:20
Ryan
Right.
00:16:25
Ryan
Right.
00:16:27
Shauna (she/her)
And I think that kind of sharing of time and space really translated naturally to polyamory of just like, no, I want you to be happy and have those circles.
00:16:27
Ryan
Right.
00:16:35
Ryan
Yes.
00:16:35
Shauna (she/her)
But once we were no longer seen as this Hunter and over couple, which is really funny, considering that both friends
00:16:41
Ryan
Correct. Considering you're a heteronormative couple.
00:16:44
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, like, yeah, we're like, back like full circle that, you know,
00:16:46
Ryan
As a giant. Yeah.
Ryan's Trans Identity Journey
00:16:48
Shauna (she/her)
right?
00:16:49
Shauna (she/her)
Like I used to, like when I met my partner, Dara in high school, they, they were an out lesbian and I used to think I was the exception, but it turns out I was the role.
00:16:55
Ryan
Mm hmm.
00:16:59
Shauna (she/her)
And so. I always think back to it and then like, I was like, Oh, this made more sense then and it was a real easy, like, obviously, like, I mean, I bought my first skirt the at a visiting over Christmas when I because I went to go stay with Dara's parents back in junior year of high school.
00:17:06
Ryan
Totally.
00:17:15
Ryan
Mm hmm.
00:17:18
Shauna (she/her)
And so I flew out, my mom had just died months ago or a couple of like two months earlier. And so I flew to stay with them meeting Dara's parents for the first time and Dara and their friend who had has now also since come out and is a trans man.
00:17:33
Ryan
work.
00:17:35
Shauna (she/her)
And so two future trans masks went to go buy a future trans woman her first skirt at the mall together. And that is right.
00:17:44
Ryan
There's a joke in there.
00:17:45
Shauna (she/her)
And that is,
00:17:45
Ryan
And the joke is that it's in Columbia Station.
00:17:48
Shauna (she/her)
Right, yeah. ah This was in New York, thank you very much.
00:17:52
Ryan
Right, right, right, right, right.
00:17:52
Shauna (she/her)
It was in the sticks of it was the stx in New York.
00:17:53
Ryan
Right.
00:17:55
Shauna (she/her)
It was like 45 minutes of Westchester going through the hills of...
00:17:58
Ryan
pray Okay, well now you have to just say it's in Westchester forever.
00:18:00
Shauna (she/her)
a Yeah.
00:18:02
Ryan
In my head now, Dara's family is from Westchester. Great, it's headcanon.
00:18:09
Shauna (she/her)
I love that. But yeah, so I always think that, you know, and this is back in 2002.
00:18:14
Ryan
Hmm.
00:18:15
Shauna (she/her)
So like, when you think of with the way queerness has been here, you know, I, that is such a important thing that this wasn't, you know, yesterday, this is where these, you know, whenever we all choose to come out, like, these are all part of our lives and part of the tapestry of our lives and our queerness and our transness.
00:18:18
Ryan
Please, yeah.
00:18:28
Ryan
Hmm.
00:18:33
Shauna (she/her)
So yeah, I always, another fun Christmas anecdote, yeah, that I didn't even know about.
00:18:33
Ryan
Totally.
00:18:37
Ryan
Yeah, it's really something that like kind of, you know, jumped out that um when you were talking, you know, like even the notion around like coming out, like coming out as Polly is like, I don't know.
00:18:38
Shauna (she/her)
it That was Christmas.
00:18:57
Ryan
i think I think I've technically come out three times as, you know, queer in my sexuality, in non-binary in my gender identity, and in, like, romanticism, polyamory.
00:19:11
Ryan
And arguably, the hardest was polyamory.
00:19:17
Shauna (she/her)
yeah
00:19:17
Ryan
Like, it was so intimidating.
00:19:17
Shauna (she/her)
absolutely i
00:19:22
Ryan
One, because it's also, in in in our instance, you know, but we were a, you know, a throuple, like we weren't really, we were poly in the sense that like my, we we did have a hierarchy.
00:19:38
Ryan
Like our our polyamory was um different not different, but like, I don't think we got to the point where we were able to really like um break down the hierarchy and see the relationships individually and like dyadically.
00:19:39
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, absolutely.
00:19:56
Ryan
we were very much so like, we are married, you are our boyfriend. And that coming out in that way is very different than I think coming out as Polly. But like, I was so in love, like I wanted to shout it from the fucking rooftops. And it was so hard. And I think in hard, you know, with air quotes around it, or, you know, sort of contextually, but it was really hard because it Or rather, I guess it it the coming out experience of that was like, it almost felt like coming out as queer again, where I was like, well, I guess I'm just going to slowly tell people that need to know. And it never got to my family and never got, I don't think, I mean, I haven't really had like a super close relationship with my family in a number of, like my family of origin in a number of years.
00:20:46
Ryan
um But I'm certain you know people had questions like there were people that we didn't tell that knew um Hello it's like oh the three of you are celebrating Thanksgiving together got it Well they can fuck off so Sorry, I as if this as if they'll ever be listening to this, but fuck you guys I
00:20:52
Shauna (she/her)
And you start seeing the pictures online and like suddenly there's always this third person. Oh yeah. Well, I mean, I never told my father or my step-family about the existence of Kelly and back when I had a relationship with him.
00:21:09
Shauna (she/her)
Well, I mean, no, it's okay. Well, spoiler alert, not likely.
00:21:17
Ryan
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:21:18
Shauna (she/her)
at least in the case of my father, but that's a whole nother story.
00:21:20
Ryan
Yeah. Oh, shit! Right! Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. Right.
00:21:24
Shauna (she/her)
Anyways, moving right along from that, but no, but the, but I didn't tell my, I had a picture of me, Derek Kelly and our child, you know, when he was like a baby on my desk at work.
00:21:25
Ryan
Anyways. Yeah.
00:21:37
Shauna (she/her)
And I remember one of the managers asked me like, who's that? I was like, Oh, that's, you know, one of Xavi's family members is what I had said because
00:21:44
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:47
Shauna (she/her)
I didn't really openly talk about polyamory because for some people it is that road too far. It was a road too far for some of my friends even.
00:21:53
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah, totally.
00:21:55
Shauna (she/her)
like And that was you know like where they thought, like oh, it's one thing for you to have come out as trans, which was already very difficult on them.
00:22:04
Ryan
Sure.
00:22:04
Shauna (she/her)
and that that one you
00:22:05
Ryan
Which also... Yeah, sorry.
00:22:07
Shauna (she/her)
Right. Well, I even, and but, you know, in thinking about like, when I came out, it was literally before Caitlyn Jenner came out, before like, you were like, when America was having it.
00:22:14
Ryan
Right. Way before Caitlyn Jenner, bitch. There's... yeah We're talking about, I mean...
00:22:19
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:22:21
Ryan
You... Okay. So you, you said 2002 was the first time you went, came out to yourself.
00:22:27
Shauna (she/her)
Well, that was when, yeah, that was when I first, that was like when I was still in like four rays. Yeah. Like was starting to, and then, you know, fighting it throughout all of undergrad.
00:22:37
Shauna (she/her)
And then I was like going to go to law school.
00:22:38
Ryan
Right.
00:22:39
Shauna (she/her)
And then I was like, I got, I was, I did the very traditional thing where I was like, I'm going to get serious. Cause I had grown my hair out in college and I had cut it short.
00:22:46
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
00:22:49
Shauna (she/her)
And like, I had got the wind really short. And like, I, like right before my senior year of college.
00:22:52
Ryan
and dove right into gender dysphoria.
00:22:55
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah. It was really like, it was like, no, no, I've got to get serious with my life. I can't like, this is like, just, this isn't the, you know, your childhood, you know what I mean? Like I, cause there wasn't really the, like, this is just a thing you could do at that point.
00:23:08
Ryan
Right.
00:23:09
Shauna (she/her)
So it was like, I have to like try and like hide and push it down.
00:23:09
Ryan
Right.
00:23:12
Shauna (she/her)
That's why like Elsa always really spoke to me because that concealed don't feel felt very relatable to how I interacted with my transness for so long.
00:23:16
Ryan
Yeah.
00:23:22
Shauna (she/her)
And so like, yeah, so I cut my, oh,
00:23:22
Ryan
I do just really, sorry, keep going, keep going, keep going.
00:23:25
Shauna (she/her)
No, I cut my hair and I got glasses or I got contacts because I'd always wear in glasses. So I went to my freshman, my senior year of college, like a completely different person. Cause I used to have like my hair, like like long brown hair down to like the middle of my back, you know, always wear it like back in a ponytail.
00:23:41
Shauna (she/her)
Cause I didn't like, but yeah, I always had like that very nerdy, like long hair was the way it like was portrayed as, but it was the like.
00:23:44
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah, I, Never saw it, but I see it, my friend. I know, I know.
00:23:52
Shauna (she/her)
Well, cause that was the, like, right, you know, and I was always skinny and so always like, which is funny.
00:23:57
Ryan
Yeah, shout out to the gangly, nerdy teens and 20-something.
00:23:59
Shauna (she/her)
and Right. So funny to think that I weighed like 30, 40 pounds more. Cause I always think of myself as being so like, but like in that way in which. you know hormone replacement therapy changes your body in a very significant way in many ways.
00:24:12
Ryan
yeah
00:24:13
Shauna (she/her)
like and so like the all of As I felt all of that, you know like you know I'm sure we'll talk about trans athletes at some point, but like I remember that first year of transitioning.
00:24:25
Shauna (she/her)
I started in March and less than six months later, I had already lost over 50 yards on my golf drive.
00:24:32
Ryan
Oh my God.
00:24:32
Shauna (she/her)
like like really like But that was a, but it was a really funny cause it was such a tangible way of knowing it that I used to always like, I used to have a 250 yard drive.
00:24:36
Ryan
That's wild.
00:24:42
Shauna (she/her)
I was really good at driving. And then it dropped down to a little under 200. and, like, without doing anything other than, like, no change other than just adding, subtracting testosterone and adding estrogen in its place.
00:24:57
Ryan
Right. which you know I'm certain that um there's some psychosomatic effect too. like There's probably also a lot less repressed like repressed emotion you know driving but driving the drive.
00:25:09
Shauna (she/her)
Oh. ah Absolutely.
00:25:12
Ryan
But before we continue down that rabbit hole, I have to point out, because you said serious and law school,
00:25:14
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:25:17
Ryan
those That is one of my favorite songs from Legally Blonde the Musical, um where she's thinking what she wants to do to go after Warner. And um she says, this is the kind of girl that woman wants.
00:25:30
Ryan
Someone serious, someone lawyerly, somebody who wears black when nobody's dead. I fucking love Legally Blonde the Musical, down Shawna.
00:25:37
Shauna (she/her)
of I That's on my list if I really want to see it. i would Because I love Legally Blonde.
00:25:44
Ryan
it
00:25:45
Shauna (she/her)
I love that archetype of character. It's my favorite archetype.
00:25:47
Ryan
Yes. like some maybe over the holiday break or something, um we we should find, because it's they aired it on, you they aired it on MTV um in 2008.
00:26:00
Shauna (she/her)
Oh no.
00:26:01
Ryan
And the homosexuals on Ohio University's campus were of Twitter because we were all obsessed with legally-blown musical.
00:26:10
Shauna (she/her)
I love that.
00:26:12
Ryan
Also present tense, still favorite, what top three favorite musicals of all time. um
00:26:19
Shauna (she/her)
Well, and I've been really kind of hitting my musical moment here, like.
00:26:19
Ryan
So, I know.
00:26:23
Shauna (she/her)
I've never been more I didn't realize like I've never had a musical like get its like claws into me and just really wicked has been so I'm still like just like it was having a bad day and I'm like I'm just gonna put on the wicked soundtrack and i'm like I do feel better now way.
00:26:29
Ryan
Welcome, bitch.
00:26:36
Ryan
Yes. Okay, so this is a perfect segue into our theme for today, but I do wanna ask, what about once more with feeling?
00:26:41
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:26:47
Shauna (she/her)
I do love once more with feeling.
00:26:49
Ryan
Would, like, did that tickle any urges?
00:26:52
Shauna (she/her)
See, and that's where, well, and I always loved music.
00:26:53
Ryan
Because I'm a tried and true musical faggot.
00:26:59
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah. Like I've always been a big music fan. It was actually one of the things that, um, that Kelly and I really first connected on was a shared love of music and getting to really connect on that front.
00:27:09
Shauna (she/her)
Like she's like my, mom's her buddy. And I love that she always wants to be like at the very front, like, you know, set list kind of like.
00:27:14
Ryan
Yeah.
00:27:16
Ryan
Love it.
00:27:17
Shauna (she/her)
That's the, so I really, I loved like Once Worth Feeling. I love like Steven Universe and all the songs from that. But I would think in many ways I feel like episodes were always more musical adjacent than really musical.
00:27:28
Ryan
Yeah, totally.
00:27:29
Shauna (she/her)
Thinking about like, I just want this story. You know, and I think that it was one of those areas where I might've had like, there's such an alternate timeline where I got more into theater instead of.
00:27:41
Ryan
Yeah.
00:27:42
Shauna (she/her)
And where that part of my heart really encouraged is really
00:27:43
Ryan
Wow.
00:27:46
Shauna (she/her)
A.
00:27:46
Ryan
That's actually me. That's me. Now that I think about it, because My you know adolescent experiences, I was on this trajectory to be a basement gaming nerd.
00:28:03
Ryan
I mean, I guess I was a basement nerd that gamed, but like that was not my like you know primary activity in the world. um But my friends were, like my this group of friends that I had at the time that were all
00:28:13
Shauna (she/her)
sure
00:28:22
Ryan
I mean, very mean, mean boys. Like probably one of the things that drove me from them was like, ah I don't, you guys are mean to each other for no reason.
00:28:32
Shauna (she/her)
Oh yeah.
00:28:33
Ryan
And anyways, but, um, when I got to high school.
00:28:36
Shauna (she/her)
ah Chasing Amy, like, why are you calling your opponent, you know, like slurs? Like, why are you going down?
00:28:43
Ryan
Yeah.
00:28:43
Shauna (she/her)
Like, like thinking about things that kept me from coming out, you know, the amount of times I would hear, you know, the opponent get called a faggot just for being like different or better at the video game or whatever number of, or just for existing.
00:28:53
Ryan
yeah
00:28:56
Ryan
right right right but
00:28:59
Shauna (she/her)
Like, and I was like, those casual ways are so like, oh, normally, yeah.
00:29:03
Ryan
normalized. Yeah, but that I went to high school and honestly, I was like, you know, I started smoking weed more and was, you know, my, my sister's five years older than me.
00:29:16
Ryan
So I started smoking weed pretty early. So by the time that I was a freshman, like I smoked weed frequently, um, because she was 19.
00:29:19
Shauna (she/her)
Mm.
00:29:24
Ryan
So like that, you know, it was much more normal for her to be a daily smoker than it was for a fucking 14 year old to be a daily smoker. Um, But like my friends told me that I, Anthony, again, I don't know if Anthony listens to this with enough frequency to, considering how often I talk about him, but like him and my friends literally sat me down and told me I was becoming a burnout because I was smoking so much weed, which was not necessarily wrong. Like, what is the, what's the, you're out of line, but you're not wrong. It's always useful.
00:29:56
Ryan
um
00:29:56
Shauna (she/her)
It is a great line that I'm so happy that has been added.
00:30:00
Ryan
It's sticking.
00:30:00
Shauna (she/her)
It is absolutely part of my pop culture lexicon of the, well, we were looking at these Buffy horoscopes and I loved, like my three characters and your three characters were both, I think, pretty, and it was both very interesting, but yours had the Xander Sagittarius, I believe.
00:30:03
Ryan
Yes.
00:30:09
Ryan
Yes.
00:30:16
Ryan
Yes. Yes.
00:30:17
Shauna (she/her)
It would have, yeah, combining to, like, it was just such a great, like, it basically,
00:30:23
Ryan
Yeah.
00:30:24
Shauna (she/her)
such you're out of line but you're right and i'm like but i love it's the because you're willing to speak up when you're right and i it's one of my most big favorite qualities of you is that like yeah i would not i love that okay we well we're already yeah
00:30:26
Ryan
You're out of line, but you're right. Yeah.
00:30:30
Ryan
Totally.
00:30:34
Ryan
Oh, thank you. I was gonna do a whole love on each other session later. We don't have to do that up right now. We'll do that later. Yeah. Yeah, we're preemptive, we're we're prematurely loving on each other. The end of that story was just my freshman year English teacher asked me if I had ever done, yeah, my, you know, another entry into the, you know, the English teachers that made me who I am because it was my gifted language arts teacher in sixth and seventh grade, or seventh and eighth grade, and then it was my freshman English teacher, Sarah Stork,
00:31:09
Ryan
who asked me if I had ever done musicals before and I had in middle school, but I was a T-bird in Greece and so she like told me to audition and I got cast as a freshman with a speaking role and um my voice was changing still at the time and I've always been sort of like not the most confident singer like I know I have I can carry a tune but like I just get very in my head about it and so they had to change my two solos into one became a duet in which the other person led
00:31:18
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm. Hmm.
00:31:39
Ryan
And the other was, ah became a group number.
00:31:40
Shauna (she/her)
new
00:31:43
Ryan
So, um but that was, it like reignited my love for theater. And I was involved in theater for the rest of my time in high school. I stopped hanging out with my friends that were smoking weed every day after school because I had a rehearsal.
00:31:56
Ryan
And I stopped hanging out with the mean boys that were my video game friends. I became friends with compassionate gay theater people.
00:32:03
Shauna (she/her)
Mm.
00:32:07
Ryan
instead. So, you know, that that trajectory is literally like where our paths split.
00:32:08
Shauna (she/her)
God, that's such a.
00:32:14
Ryan
It's pretty wild.
00:32:14
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, see, I was the eponymous Pete in Pete's Luncheonette in our seventh grade, which is a seventh grade musical that we did. And I will.
00:32:25
Ryan
Cute.
00:32:27
Shauna (she/her)
But I always think that I had one of my friends was like kind of a little mean about my singing. And it always made me very then self-conscious because like I used to have a much deeper voice.
00:32:33
Ryan
Yeah.
00:32:38
Shauna (she/her)
And so like the like how to navigate that and like where I felt.
00:32:38
Ryan
Sure.
00:32:42
Shauna (she/her)
And I think it's probably also again where like dysphoria kicks in of like how how to sing was such a more difficult thing for me in so many ways.
00:32:48
Ryan
Totally.
00:32:51
Ryan
Totally.
00:32:51
Shauna (she/her)
And so yeah, that was always one of those interesting like the what it, cause then I remember like I was in a play in freshman year. I was in little women and I was, I don't even remember. I was one of the like as none of the women.
00:33:01
Ryan
As none of the women.
00:33:04
Ryan
and
00:33:04
Shauna (she/her)
And like, I was like, what?
00:33:05
Ryan
And didn't you did she go to an all boy?
00:33:05
Shauna (she/her)
ah
00:33:07
Ryan
The school that you went to was gender specific.
00:33:10
Shauna (she/her)
Yes, absolutely. And it was in a other gender. It was in one of the all girls schools productions of little women too.
00:33:18
Ryan
So you all partnered.
00:33:19
Shauna (she/her)
And so then, yeah, so then we went over there and yeah, got in from that.
00:33:24
Ryan
Fascinating.
00:33:24
Shauna (she/her)
That's how we, that's how we did it. Yeah.
00:33:26
Ryan
How cute.
00:33:26
Shauna (she/her)
So I was in the St. Augustine freshman year. Was it a freshman or something? I think it was freshman year, a production of Little Women.
00:33:34
Ryan
I'm sure the homosexuals that also went to that school that we know would remember.
00:33:34
Shauna (she/her)
And then.
00:33:38
Shauna (she/her)
Absolutely. And then I started dating and well, cause then I, I went there cause it was like one of my best friends was in it cause she went there and then I started dating her cause that's, you know, what we do.
00:33:48
Ryan
How things go. Yeah.
00:33:50
Shauna (she/her)
And then that was when I had to go, and my cousin had to get a condom, had to help me buy condoms at right before our confirmation, right before my kind first confirmation meeting, because he was my sponsor.
00:34:00
Ryan
Aww. Wow.
00:34:04
Ryan
Wow, what a good cousin.
00:34:04
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, that's always such a fun, right?
00:34:06
Shauna (she/her)
Because I just will never forget it. She was like, yeah, I think, you know, we should have them. And I'm like, why? I don't understand.
00:34:12
Ryan
Oh, when my, the last girl I ever dated, um who's nevermind, who is also queer now is not the thing that I was gonna say but is or the last I heard she was queer but she was definitely queer when we were together but the same thing like I bought condoms fully being like I don't know why the fuck I'm buying these like I'm not trying to have sex this is not this it was mostly to just appease her like that I had them
00:34:24
Shauna (she/her)
but also a great.
00:34:33
Shauna (she/her)
Right, like, no, I was like, I'm not gonna like, I was like, you know, i'd like, you know, shout out to Catholicism, forgive me a real convenient excuse, because they could just be like, well, morality.
00:34:44
Ryan
ah Oh, I hope that Tommy is listening to this because 100% same.
00:34:46
Shauna (she/her)
i Yeah. like
00:34:50
Ryan
That homosexual hid behind his Catholicism. I will never forget we were in ninth grade. I'm totally blowing your spot up, Tommy. um We were in ninth grade.
00:34:56
Shauna (she/her)
Okay.
00:34:59
Ryan
And ah the way that our, ah was it World Civ? No, not World Civ. Western civilization, Western Civ. The way that our seats were oriented.
00:35:11
Ryan
um uh my girlfriend Stephanie who is not like my girlfriend Stephanie sat in front of me and then I think Tommy was in front of her and then like this guy Tarek who also was gay um was next to Stephanie or something like that, but we were all kind of seated like in a way that we could all see each other and we were all talking and I will never forget Tommy said something about homosexuality beings against his religion and Stephanie fully went, aren't you gay?
00:35:43
Shauna (she/her)
yeah
00:35:44
Ryan
Clocked and he was like, I'm pretty sure he was just like, uh, no.
00:35:46
Shauna (she/her)
sure
00:35:51
Ryan
Yeah, he didn't say yet, but, and it wasn't even in like a mean girl calling you out way. It was very much so like, wait, I thought we were all, it was Britney Spears ah looking at Ryan Seacrest when he said girlfriend, like what?
00:36:05
Shauna (she/her)
o Look.
00:36:06
Ryan
I thought we all just knew this. I thought you were just, we you were gay and we just were like, yeah, he's gay.
00:36:08
Shauna (she/her)
Hey.
00:36:12
Shauna (she/her)
Um, I will never forget the Jesuits taking me and the other future queers to be, uh, go on the tour.
00:36:12
Ryan
Then again, I don't know if she knew I was gay.
00:36:18
Shauna (she/her)
Are you sure you don't want to be a priest tour of the rectory?
00:36:20
Ryan
Oh God, oh God.
00:36:21
Shauna (she/her)
Cause you know, like the Jesuits are the ones that are like cool. They're like, yeah, you can just be gay and a priest. It's cool. Whatever. Like, and having sex with anyone.
00:36:26
Ryan
Right, right.
00:36:28
Shauna (she/her)
So like, what does it matter who you're having, who you're not having sex with is like, yeah, and whatever it doesn't matter.
00:36:31
Ryan
Who you think about having sex with, yeah.
00:36:35
Ryan
Okay, so we are here almost 40 minutes in of us talking shit for 2024 in review. It's a very special episode.
00:36:46
Ryan
It's on Drag Race whenever it's just Ru and her judges. She always says it's just the family. So it's just the family tonight. Not that the other people aren't family too, but it's just me and Shishi.
00:36:55
Shauna (she/her)
Hello.
00:36:59
Ryan
So we're going to talk about some of our favorite things of 2024, some stuff we liked. Um, just general pop culture, but overall, Shauna, how is 2024 for you?
00:37:12
Shauna (she/her)
You know, it had its moments and obviously like the last month or or so has felt like a whole year in and of itself in terms of like, and it's hard to not, it's hard to look at 2024 and not think of November, but I'm just going to try and ignore that one specific, you know, ignoring that, like, you know, I think there was so much good.
00:37:19
Ryan
Correct.
00:37:28
Ryan
no
00:37:31
Shauna (she/her)
Like I am very fortunate that I was able to travel around the country for my hobby and passion dodgeball.
00:37:36
Ryan
Yes.
00:37:38
Shauna (she/her)
And, you know, like, ended up like, I won a little, like, I won a medal this year, like, which was like second straight year.
00:37:44
Ryan
Work.
00:37:45
Shauna (she/her)
We're ah very fortunate to have, you know, come in first place in, you know, one of the team USA, ah the USA dodge ball premier tour tournaments. And like, that is not an easy feat and not everybody can, is so fortunate.
00:37:59
Shauna (she/her)
And so I'm very lucky that I've had, you you know, the ability to keep playing with some, you know, amazing people and specifically some amazing women athletes and like,
00:38:07
Ryan
Yeah Yeah
00:38:08
Shauna (she/her)
You know, I think that's one of the things that I take away is like, I'm so lucky that I get to share the court with so many amazing athletes. And there's so many talented, wonderful women in sports, both in my sport and in general, that I love, you know, the opportunity to kind of celebrate that.
00:38:28
Shauna (she/her)
and you know and that it does get to take me all over. I got to go on a tour of California where I started at San Francisco, visited ah my friend Chelsea and you know her spouse and like got to celebrate their wedding.
00:38:42
Shauna (she/her)
and like because i would I did a podcast with Chelsea and like she like and so it was really cool getting to meet her.
00:38:45
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
00:38:48
Shauna (she/her)
and like you know, nerd out and like around San Francisco and then take a train down to LA and the train, like getting to see all of California, like that California coast and mountain was just gorgeous and like being on a train all day.
00:38:59
Ryan
Sure. Sure.
00:39:02
Shauna (she/her)
It's delightful. Like, and I'm, I'm very fortunate.
00:39:03
Ryan
I'm sorry. I know that trains are like, whatever. I've technically only ridden them in Europe and then like, you know, like public transit. I've never ridden like American railways.
00:39:17
Ryan
like i I want to do it.
00:39:17
Shauna (she/her)
This was the first time for me.
00:39:20
Ryan
I think it seems so like romantic.
00:39:21
Shauna (she/her)
It was actually really, it really was. And especially like, I don't travel by myself often. Again, like I've been with my partners since we were 16, turning 17.
00:39:27
Ryan
I love traveling alone.
00:39:31
Shauna (she/her)
So like having this like real experience of being on, like, cause I was like with my partners and then I wasn't. And so we ended up going down and i they went back home because we were hanging out in San Francisco for San Francisco pride together.
00:39:45
Shauna (she/her)
and then we're going and so then it was just me as I'm taking this train you know and and like having that kind of adventure like solo adventure was a really cool part got to see some of my wonderful friends in LA my you know so grateful for my friend Karen for putting me up for a couple days at her house her and like you know my friends in WeHo dodgeball like it's just delightful and then
00:39:53
Ryan
Yes. Yes.
00:40:08
Ryan
Yeah. Excuse me, sorry.
00:40:13
Shauna (she/her)
You know, and like getting, you know, my year strike went went to Vegas and I'm going again, which I'm so excited for.
00:40:17
Ryan
For sensitivity.
00:40:18
Shauna (she/her)
and twenty five Yeah. Sin City is the best tournament. And if you are queer, if you're listening to this or watching this and you're queer and love sports, you should go to do it.
00:40:23
Ryan
It's so fun.
00:40:27
Shauna (she/her)
Cause it's just a blast.
00:40:27
Ryan
Yeah. It is, except I don't really care for Vegas. I wish it traveled. I wish it went other places. I mean, obviously it's the same city classic, but I just don't like Vegas.
00:40:35
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm.
00:40:38
Ryan
It's like, granted, I've never really gone and explored.
00:40:39
Shauna (she/her)
Interesting.
00:40:42
Ryan
It's, it's too overstimulating for me. Like it's too many people. It's too many sounds. Everyone's smoking cigarettes. I don't like it's, And I guess I'm talking about the strip.
00:40:54
Ryan
Like I've never seen more of Vegas other than that, but like it's also hot all the time and I don't want that either. Like Vegas just isn't for me and I'm fully comfortable with that.
00:41:03
Shauna (she/her)
Well, I think that I get that and like I I so see why it is not everybody's company.
00:41:03
Ryan
Like there's no appeal for me.
00:41:12
Shauna (she/her)
Like I think it's a very fun like as a night person, like I've always been a night owl.
00:41:12
Ryan
Right.
00:41:15
Ryan
Yeah, you are not so secretly like a party girl. Like you love the nightlife.
00:41:20
Shauna (she/her)
I know.
00:41:21
Ryan
You like to boogie.
00:41:22
Shauna (she/her)
I do. And like, and I've been like, and a and I've been feeling like I'm really feeling my age lately. Cause like, I've been like missing, I've been missing that kind of go outness.
00:41:30
Ryan
I know, you keep trying to get us to go out and then and then it doesn't happen because I wish you would have known me 10 years ago.
00:41:31
Shauna (she/her)
Like I know it's, it's, but I, it's going to happen. We're going to make fetch happen. Like I know, I know.
00:41:39
Ryan
Like, bitch, I would have been down. I fucked around and completely lost all interest in partying.
00:41:42
Shauna (she/her)
That's what I'm saying. Like I gotta like, we're gonna just like, Look, I mean, I will just not forget about.
00:41:49
Ryan
I just want to get violently high with you instead. Can't we do that? That's way more fun.
00:41:53
Shauna (she/her)
I mean, we do do that and it is delightful.
00:41:54
Ryan
Correct.
00:41:55
Shauna (she/her)
Like, yeah, it is. Again, it's why I haven't been going out because I'm like, you're right. Because I do you want to stay home and play video games or board games and hang out like it it has been really because I do love those things, too.
00:42:02
Ryan
Right. Right. although
00:42:06
Shauna (she/her)
Like.
00:42:06
Ryan
when we when we do When we do go out, you know, we still smoke weed. So, you know, that's that's great, but...
00:42:11
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah. Yeah. And at the end of the day, like. I'm, I don't love getting so drunk.
00:42:16
Ryan
Ugh.
00:42:17
Shauna (she/her)
Like it's fun sometimes, but by and large, like I'm just really like, if it happens, it happens, but it is not really my goal.
00:42:19
Ryan
Yeah.
00:42:23
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
00:42:25
Shauna (she/her)
Like I'm, I'm very, I'm very fortunate that I've always had a very healthy relationship with alcohol. Like, and even with being around, even when I was in my more indulgent twenties and you know, beer pong, like it was beer pong every weekend.
00:42:30
Ryan
Sure. Mm-hmm.
00:42:38
Shauna (she/her)
Like, you know, wake up, do it again.
00:42:39
Ryan
Yeah.
00:42:40
Shauna (she/her)
That song, like, yeah, that was very much like my twenties, like.
00:42:41
Ryan
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I love college, came out when I was in college.
00:42:47
Shauna (she/her)
ah See it was like right after for me.
00:42:47
Ryan
It was unreal, bitch.
00:42:52
Shauna (she/her)
Oh Yeah, I it was it is a Facebook status that will still pop up is this fucking raw something Roth lyric Asher Roth.
00:42:55
Ryan
Yes! Fuck a Facebook status. There were, Asher Roth, there were whole, um like Facebook albums, like Status is Temporary, bitch, the picture albums named I Love College.
00:43:00
Shauna (she/her)
That's it.
00:43:04
Shauna (she/her)
Oh so So many embarrassing Facebook albums. Oh my god, like the pictures where like we're like like
00:43:13
Ryan
Cigarette and beer in one hand, ah like this actually probably, and Pongball in the other, like, you know, a little bit of blow on my nose or something, like just a complete degenerate.
00:43:13
Shauna (she/her)
ah
00:43:21
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, I've like i like, oh yeah, doing beer bongs. Oh my gosh, those were the days.
00:43:28
Ryan
Oh what my god.
00:43:28
Shauna (she/her)
And that was like like, we knew just enough to not put everything on, but didn't know enough to know that we shouldn't put as much as we did on Facebook. Like it was that era.
00:43:37
Ryan
Yeah, correct, correct.
00:43:38
Shauna (she/her)
Like back when I, you know, back in my day, you had to have a college email address sign up on Facebook.
00:43:42
Ryan
Call an email. Now you have to be, nevermind, nevermind, nevermind.
00:43:46
Shauna (she/her)
Like, no.
00:43:49
Ryan
But now you have to be a fucking idiot. That's the prerequisite is you have to be an old fucking idiot on Facebook.
00:43:53
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, or 50.
00:43:55
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, that is not something that I miss.
00:43:58
Shauna (she/her)
She's.
00:44:01
Ryan
Um, I think my, I do miss beer pong.
00:44:02
Shauna (she/her)
I do miss beer pong. I love beer pong. I don't care.
00:44:05
Ryan
I'll still play drinking games.
00:44:05
Shauna (she/her)
It's still fun. I will.
00:44:06
Ryan
I just like playing games.
00:44:07
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, I will.
00:44:08
Ryan
Bitch, we just like games.
00:44:08
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah. You're right, we just like games that are like, you know, the you no, you're not even this is right in line, but you're like drinking is a vehicle for having fun with games.
00:44:12
Ryan
You're out of line, but I'm not even out of line. to say Yeah.
00:44:19
Shauna (she/her)
And I was like, yeah, same same page.
00:44:20
Ryan
Correct. correct um yeah it's i admit I had a i had a um ah tricky relationship with alcohol.
00:44:31
Ryan
like it just it I went to a party school.
00:44:32
Shauna (she/her)
fair.
00:44:37
Ryan
It became my whole personality. I've always been the sad rising, like everyone sees me.
00:44:44
Shauna (she/her)
a
00:44:45
Ryan
I remember one time in college, like my senior year, I started having like, you know, fucking mental health breaks, not full like, you know, scary breaks, but like, I remember calling my sister, I've called several people at like two o'clock in the morning, not blacked out, just losing my shit because i like everything is hard and alcohol makes it harder.
00:45:07
Ryan
but um I remember I was, I was at a bar and um I was just getting, like I was sad. I didn't want to be out.
00:45:17
Ryan
I was like, I just want to go home. And someone literally said to me, why you're supposed to be fun? Why aren't you having fun? And I'm like, oh, I, it like, it, that was one of the first times that I was like, oh, that hurts when people perceive you.
00:45:25
Shauna (she/her)
Oh.
00:45:34
Ryan
for something and don't see the value. Like when people have put you on a pedestal of yes, yes, yes.
00:45:41
Shauna (she/her)
The rate of expectation, oh my gosh.
00:45:44
Ryan
And that was, you know, obviously there's been plenty of times in life where that happened. But anyways, we're talking, that was fucking 2010.
00:45:51
Shauna (she/her)
i appreciate yeah as I appreciate that our year in our review episode has really been like, it's all about the last 15 years.
00:45:52
Ryan
We're talking about 2024.
00:45:59
Shauna (she/her)
And you know what, I love that for us.