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Ryan : Welcome Real Hot Nerd Shit, a pop culture podcast where real hot nerds talk about real nerd shit. I'm your host, Ryan.
Shauna (she/her): And I'm your co-host, Shauna.
Ryan : And on this episode of Real Hot Nerd Shit, we will be talking, we'll be doing a double feature. We'll be talking about Mallrats and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back just for, you know, the sheer joy of it.
Ryan : um And we are still in our theme of the View Askewniverse. We did take a quick little pause to talk to the remarkable Jacqueline Moore about the film The People's Joker.
Ryan : um But hey, we're back talking about Kevin Smith.
Shauna (she/her): A regularly scheduled broadcast. And with that, we have our special guest hot nerd for this episode, the oft-referenced.
Ryan : regularly.
Shauna (she/her): And, you know, are you have been on this podcast, even though this is your first time on this podcast. Welcome, Anthony.
Anthony: Yes, I exist.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: I'm real. I am not, in fact, a figment of Ryan's imagination. You've not, yeah, in the flesh.
Ryan : I didn't make them. i didn't make it up.
Anthony: Here I am.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: Soak it in, people. I've made it.
Ryan : Yeah. Um, you, you are my Brad Pitt in, uh, whatever that fight, fight club. You're, you're my Brad Pitt and fight club. You're Tyler Durden. I've been doing this alone for 30 years. Turns out he's all made up.
Ryan : Um, so yeah, we have my OG nerd friend here, uh, who I have talked about in nearly every single episode. Um, because we have been friends for where I think we're just rounding up to 30 years at this point. Like,
Ryan : It's probably like 28 in reality or something, but we'll say 30 years. um And we have been through every weird iteration of general interests.
Ryan : So um I know I could name the things that you are particularly nerdy about. But Anthony, we asked this question of our guests. um If you are a nerd, if if a nerd is someone who is weirdly knowledgeable about something and kind of like intensely passionate and sometimes other people don't really understand it or think it's uncool.
Ryan : um What are you a nerd about?
Anthony: Ooh, yeah. Top of the list. Absolutely, like, big, starred, italicized, underlined gamer, like, ever since a very young age.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: Like, earliest memories playing track and field and Duck Hunt on the Nintendo in the basement with my brother and his, like, the neighborhood kids.
Shauna (she/her): Oh god.
Anthony: Like, oh, yeah. So, like... And then ah EverQuest. Oh, dear God. Yeah. Middle school got absolutely just helplessly addicted to EverQuest. i Ryan and probably was like the only friend I had left at some point because people would come over and I would just play EverQuest all the time.
Ryan : Yeah.
Ryan : And I'll be like, oh, sick.
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : can Can we make new characters so I can pick out their outfits, please?
Anthony: Yes, exactly. Exactly. um So that has been a certainly lifelong nerddom of mine. um i also very passionate about science, biologist and engineer by trade, little bit of both, but um genetics, like always been my jam, cell biology, gene regulation, holy shit.
Anthony: Like talk about it for hours. It's my favorite.
Ryan : Yeah,
Anthony: So ah yeah, you know, fairly nerdy, but, you know, that's my kind of like intellectual jam, if you will.
Ryan : yeah. Yeah,
Anthony: um And furthermore, I'd say music is something like, I'm not like oh, yeah actually, like you should like this album by this band for blah, blah, blah, because they had...
Ryan : yeah, yeah.
Anthony: like you know Not like that, but um I'd say my musical taste is fairly nerdy these days.
Ryan : Mm.
Anthony: um I mean, it was also cringe at some points in my life, too. Like, when Ryan and I would wear velour tracksuits to school and bump, like, G-Unit in my Ford Explorer, you know what I mean? Yeah.
Anthony: So there was like some cringe there as well. Absolutely owning it. But ah no, these days, like my favorite bands are like prog metal.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: And i love listening to shit that I cannot like, like, how did he just do that? Especially with drummers. Cause I am like a ah casual hobbyist drummer.
Ryan : Self-taught drummer.
Anthony: Yeah. Self-taught self-taught mad props to rock band.
Ryan : Self-taught. Yeah.
Anthony: That is actually what got me wanting to learn how to play a real drum set was I got like stupid good at playing rock band in college is like, yeah.
Ryan : Oh, what?
Shauna (she/her): Okay.
Ryan : Yeah, Shauna, add it to the fucking list.
Shauna (she/her): i have... Oh.
Ryan : Are you kidding me
Shauna (she/her): Absolutely.
Ryan : We were just talking about how Shauna was a rock band girl, but I was a guitar hero.
Shauna (she/her): oh my god.
Ryan : Like I kind of peaked at guitar hero. i was like, this was fun.
Anthony: Right. Right.
Ryan : No, thanks.
Shauna (she/her): see.
Ryan : Apparently it stuck for Shauna though.
Shauna (she/her): But a rock band was a staple in my house. It was a staple at our house parties because I was usually the host and a lot of for a lot of them in my 20s. And so we would just have rock bands set up because then it's both an activity for people to do and it's music for the party. It was great. It was fun.
Shauna (she/her): It was so accessible to everybody because there's something to do for, you know, some people just want to sing. Some people just want to sit there and
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): do their little drum thing, but it was, oh my gosh, i I think one of my biggest, like, when I think of my video game accomplishments in my life, beating Rock Band 1's Endless setup Set List on Expert is absolutely one of them.
Ryan : Pretend to play the drums. Yeah.
Anthony: Ooh, flex. Yeah. So ah there you go
Shauna (she/her): It was, beating that on guitar, that was in, oh because the the hardest song was that kind of that country song that was like, oh, green grass and high tides.
Anthony: Green grass in high tide forever.
Shauna (she/her): Oh my God.
Ryan : Oh my god.
Anthony: Yeah, and then the and yeah the the riff was super jumpy, catchy, and fun.
Ryan : Jesus Christ.
Anthony: And then the solo would start. It was just like, fuck you. Like, yeah, you better save some star power because this is going to hurt.
Shauna (she/her): Oh yeah. Abs. Save. Okay. Okay. we keep ah
Ryan : When like, I'm sorry, it just, the the list of reasons why I'm so grateful that I finally like ah two and two together that the two of you should be friends because the the list of similarities ah just continues to go on and on.
Anthony: Oh, for real.
Shauna (she/her): Absolutely.
Shauna (she/her): We are...
Anthony: oh yeah
Ryan : You both have, one of the other things that I would say you are kind of nerdy about, you are a sports nerd. Like you're not like a ah ah betting sports nerd, but you you have played sports your whole life.
Anthony: no
Anthony: joe
Anthony: Those lesbians can fall, man.
Ryan : yes yeah yeah especially especially some of our folks yeah sean i'm sorry
Anthony: People can play.
Shauna (she/her): oh
Shauna (she/her): Oh, no, i was just but I just think it's funny that like when you mentioned like not being betting, even though you're like, like oh, yeah, I love math and like science-y, and you're like, yeah, you know what, though? Even you're like, I'm going to away from this.
Shauna (she/her): This is like, maybe that's probably the smart like thing in the grand scheme of it all.
Anthony: No, I...
Ryan : Not for me.
Anthony: Yeah, I know myself too well that I would ah be donating a lot of money if I decided to and go embark on that endeavor.
Ryan : True.
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): Hmm.
Anthony: So, like, casual fantasy football leagues, absolutely. Like, all about talking shit and playing fantasy football.
Ryan : Sure.
Anthony: But, yeah, the, like, like the FanDuel thing, not for me.
Ryan : That stresses me out. I'm so sorry.
Anthony: No, no, I can't.
Ryan : okay did you ever watch Idiocracy?
Anthony: Yeah. Um, I, I've seen it, but oh man, I probably greened out during it. So like, you know, I know like the things that are memes still, you know what mean?
Ryan : yeah
Ryan : yeah well it just it feels like every day we get closer and closer to like just fully living in like you know giant trash piles like in idiocracy and like i think about just like the overwhelming amount of pressure to participate like that advertising for fan duel and online sports betting is so fucking intense like
Anthony: It,
Ryan : I am thankfully old enough to be, that was never something I was interested in and it's never going to become something that I am interested in But there's a lot of people who have access to gambling now who might not have had that access before.
Ryan : And it's just terrifying, you know, in.
Anthony: Yeah, like like, how am I supposed to raise my children to enjoy sports when from their childhood that that is just shoved in their faces like an integral part of the experience?
Anthony: Like, how could you possibly sit and enjoy watching this Cavaliers game if you're not betting on the second half over?
Ryan : Damn.
Shauna (she/her): Oh, gosh, I hadn't even thought of that. Oh.
Anthony: Or like Darius Garland's rebounds, you know what I mean?
Ryan : Right.
Anthony: Like, it... and No, I, it actually legitimately like makes me enjoy watching professional sports less for sure.
Ryan : Yeah, no.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: It is, you know, detracted from my enjoyment of it.
Ryan : It's the, it's advertising on fucking steroids. Like it's advertising is one thing, but like advertising that to your point has now sort of taken you not taken, but it pulls focus from the actual game itself and makes it something that you are like, you're really missing out if you don't fucking take this free $50 before we turn around and take, you know, five grand from you.
Anthony: FanDuel owns the goddamn regional basketball networks that broadcast the games locally. It's the FanDuel sports network. Like, find me a garbage bag that I can go vomit in.
Ryan : Fresh hell.
Anthony: It is...
Ryan : Fresh hell.
Anthony: But literally, we could probably tangent and do an entire separate podcast about the horrors of sports gambling.
Ryan : Yes.
Anthony: But, yeah, I would say, like, for sports, my nerddom...
Ryan : Yes.
Shauna (she/her): That's...
Anthony: Because I am very much, like, I love watching X's and O's. I love watching All-22 football. Um... My YouTube algorithm is just lousy with pickleball videos. Like, you know, hit your third shot drops here.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: You don't want to hit them here. You know, like positioning, all that shit, all about it. But, um, I was a goalie my entire life. So like, I think it's informed, like being a hockey goalie, you're the only person who sees all 10 people.
Anthony: and And I'm out there directing traffic. Cause I'm the only person who could see everything. So I have, I have to be constantly doing the math of like, this where's this guy, you know, where's the weak side winger?
Shauna (she/her): o
Anthony: Did he crash? Is the weak side defenseman pinching, is he in the slot? Like, where I got to know. And if my defenseman don't know, then I have to go like, hey, get get the fuck out there. Like, don't let that happen. So um I think it's just been ingrained in me.
Ryan : You want to know how that's my best friend? how How I know that's my best friend? Because I was just sitting here staring at you like so endearingly because I do, you know, this has been my my life for 30 years is being like, I have no idea what you're talking about, but you're so passionate about it. Thank you. Keep going. Yes.
Ryan : I will, I will, I will lose focus in a little bit, but really like, you know, I've said it before on the podcast, like most of my exposure to sports was because of Anthony and his family and like his, you know, his brother and his dad were, are also very, his whole family is all extremely sportsy.
Ryan : Um, but like, you know, his dad helped me with baseball when we were both playing like little league together and just, you know, I'm one of the very lucky, uh, kids who grew up down the street from their best friend.
Shauna (she/her): Mm-hmm.
Ryan : And then like, you know, I, I rode on his athletic coattails for our entire adolescence until I could find my thing. And then once I started doing my thing, he started doing it too.
Ryan : This bitch joined theater in 10th grade because he's got a great voice for fucking theater and, you know, is ah a boy with a pulse. So the directors were like, please, please, please, please.
Ryan : Um, Yeah, so not a theater nerd like me, but it's in his roots. he knows
Anthony: Theatrical.
Ryan : He knows the weird shit about theater nerds because he was backstage all the time.
Anthony: Yes. Been there, done that. Absolutely.
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): It's funny because that's kind of how I got into doing theater in high school as well was that same kind of way. and it didn't, like, keep me, but I was where I, like, the experience was going in with someone else and, like, joining with, like...
Ryan : Yeah. Yep.
Shauna (she/her): Ugh. No, and I...
Ryan : Just having a...
Shauna (she/her): But... Oh, I was just thinking about sports because, so first of all, i cant I actually was coming from playing pickleball.
Ryan : Go ahead.
Shauna (she/her): And so is the funny just, but I had a day at the gym. I played with dodgeball and pickleball back to back. It was really, it was actually wonderful. But I was thinking about this in terms of like thinking back historically, you know, with have good newt knowing I was going be talking to you two, you know, how you and I, think you and I, Ryan both come from a similar relationship.
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): growing up not necessarily being seen as athletic, being seen as someone who's good at sports, whose interest is sports. And, you know, that is where we just differ because I've always been interested.
Shauna (she/her): Like I was the kid in fourth grade who was taking the newspaper on Monday mornings, the sports section, and do it running a fantasy football league by hand for like four or five classmates. Like,
Shauna (she/her): That was where I was. And so that kind of nerdy, like, i so appreciate that.
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): But then I was also like, never actually treated really as being this like as sportsy as I've always been. only until like now, like when I was saying, like I mentioned to a friend today, I was like, wow, you know, when my dad was talking about my athletic ability, I think his comment was, well, it's a good thing that I'm good at school.
Shauna (she/her): Like, so that was how I was always like seeing from that perspective.
Ryan : yeah
Shauna (she/her): And now like, I as I like, oh, that's not at all like what my friends would think of me or what the people who know me in my actual life or think and I, yeah, that what if and the influence of.
Ryan : correct
Ryan : it's um
Shauna (she/her): Hmm.
Ryan : I was the exact opposite. Yeah, I had all of the expectations. Everyone expected to meet me to be a great athlete. I've been tall my entire life. Like, I was always, you know, tallest kid in even our, like, elementary school classes. And um i have really long arms and really long legs. So, like, I should, in theory, be good at sports.
Ryan : But, like, the socialness of it all, you know, obviously I've talked about it a million times. and finding the right kind of team, which also speaking of another thing that I brought my best friend into was, ah he played on Stonewall kickball for the first time. And it was, it healed a little part of me that I don't think I needed. I knew I needed healed to like play on a sports team with my childhood best friend and do like really, really well together.
Ryan : um we did also both suffer an injury because I sprained my ankle and he pulled some muscle one day, but
Anthony: Yep. Quad pull.
Ryan : yeah
Anthony: Yeah, that was ah that was a pickleball, kickball back-to-back that did me dirty.
Ryan : Yep.
Shauna (she/her): It was like this. Oh.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: i tweaked it, played pickleball in the morning, and I was like, ah, fuck it. I'll be fine. and And the first kick, I just felt it rip, like, from right above my knee to, like, halfway.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: I was like, oh, no, Anthony, you idiot.
Ryan : Yep.
Anthony: So I put myself on the IR for a couple weeks, but all good.
Ryan : Yep.
Ryan : Yeah. So, you know, the the joy could go on forever about all the reasons that um I'm so stoked to have um Anthony here. But there were some things that we felt like we should catch up about, you know, our normal sort of general banter thing.
Ryan : um First and foremost, Shauna and i Yes, please.
Anthony: Can I cut you out for a second, Ryan, to ask a very important question to Shauna? And you guys can edit this out if you want to.
Ryan : Yes.
Anthony: But Shauna, where do you play pickleball on Sundays? And when are we playing? Because Sundays is pickleball day for your boy.
Shauna (she/her): Ooh. So I wish, I really wish that we had done this I would have, we were needing a fourth person for our pickleball league.
Anthony: Oh, damn.
Shauna (she/her): And like, I was literally needing someone for this.
Anthony: um
Anthony: Oh, I'm um'm a stud.
Shauna (she/her): And I, okay.
Anthony: um I can play.
Shauna (she/her): Okay. Cause I can too. And so that's where, cause like I grew up playing tennis. And so like, and again, like I was like, even like doing that is like, and always feeling like I did solidly enough, but like, I was still like,
Anthony: Oh.
Shauna (she/her): I had so much time in it now that like I'm like, oh, my gosh, like all of those like lessons. And then I took my dodgeballness and was wearing my knee pads. And so I was like sliding to get balls. and It was looking really cool.
Shauna (she/her): Like I felt really like for not having played pickleball in like two years. And that was like the only time I'd ever played it. I was like, oh, I walked in. You know, apparently pickleball is a lot like what they say about, you know,
Shauna (she/her): It's like riding a bike or wearing high-heeled shoes. Once you know how, you never forget.
Ryan : Sure.
Shauna (she/her): And also, fun fact, i only know how to do one of those.
Ryan : Sure.
Shauna (she/her): Your guess as to which one. and
Ryan : No one, no one guess. No one's allowed to guess.
Shauna (she/her): Well, it's a mystery.
Ryan : Does she know how to ride a bike or does she know how to walk in high heels? We did have a whole conversation about, you know, uh, nope, nevermind. I don't think that that conversation was, um, on, was actually recorded when we were talking about your shenanigans and jacklet in San Francisco.
Shauna (she/her): It's on, you have, um, for $5.99 a month, you two can get, no, I'm just kidding.
Ryan : like
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Ryan : First of all, it's $6.99 a month, bitch.
Anthony: Join the Patreon community for this and more. Let's monetize this bitch.
Ryan : Yeah, yeah.
Anthony: Let's go.
Ryan : Yeah. So um stonewall had Stonewall is doing their pickleball season.
Shauna (she/her): ah
Ryan : That's that's where you were playing today, right, John?
Shauna (she/her): yeah Yeah, the local Stonewall Sports League.
Anthony: Gotcha.
Ryan : But look, between the...
Shauna (she/her): Yeah, like,
Anthony: Do they still have open plays on, like, was it Friday nights? There we go.
Shauna (she/her): I think they do.
Anthony: Food for thought.
Shauna (she/her): They have, like, a bunch of, like, honestly, it's, they have a lot of times, like, you can rent courts and such, and, like, I would love to, like kind of get some practice in.
Anthony: Food for thought.
Anthony: Excellent.
Ryan : Between the two of you and snacks, with the two of you and snacks, Ryan would absolutely, totally, if you all wanted to start, I'm not including myself in this in any way, shape, or form.
Shauna (she/her): oh my gosh.
Ryan : No, thank you.
Anthony: One of us.
Ryan : um Maybe I'll give it a shot.
Anthony: One of us.
Ryan : Maybe I'll give it a shot.
Anthony: One of us. One of us.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Ryan : We'll see.
Shauna (she/her): I mean, you know, you are tall. No.
Ryan : ah Right, exactly. Exactly. Will my gigantic arms...
Anthony: With his, dude, his reach at the net, he would be so lethal if we taught him how to hit like a little forehand flick.
Shauna (she/her): a
Anthony: He'd be devastating.
Shauna (she/her): It's a little like... Oh, yeah.
Anthony: Yeah. that he Yeah.
Ryan : yeah
Anthony: He's got potential.
Ryan : All you have to do is compliment me, Anthony. I'm already in. Tell me that there's a space for me and I'm in. So Sean and I went to Fan Expo yesterday and ah that was that was your first time at Fan Expo in Cleveland?
Shauna (she/her): I've been to it when it was WizardCon.
Ryan : Did you go before?
Ryan : ahard con I'm so glad they changed that name.
Shauna (she/her): So, like, i it's... It's the same thing. Well, yeah, because it was because of the former Wizard magazine that now is no longer a thing.
Ryan : Oh, to me, it felt very like Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.
Shauna (she/her): Is why they were a WizardCon. Wizard?
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Ryan : Oh, different, different, different interpretations.
Shauna (she/her): Or, oh. Oh, yeah, no. Different, similarly bad thing. Well, okay, not similarly.
Ryan : Correct.
Shauna (she/her): One was much worse, but...
Ryan : Yeah, yeah, yeah. One was much worse, but, you know.
Shauna (she/her): Okay,
Ryan : Yeah, I don't think I ever went when it was WizardCon. It was always the, it's always a really shitty weekend. Like, it's not a good weekend to attend for some reason.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah, you know, and but they got some good stars. like they they They came out and it was really nice to see like the Supernatural guys were there. um
Ryan : Charlie Cox, Manny Jacinto.
Shauna (she/her): Charlie Cox.
Ryan : so um So you met bra you may Brandon Routh, who is from...
Shauna (she/her): Brandon Routh, who is ah famous for a couple roles, Scott Pilgrim vs. The World. He's one of the evil ex-boyfriends. He's also Superman in, I believe it was the Bryan Singer movie, that was the one-off that was kind of like a redo of the original Superman, but it was fun.
Ryan : Yes.
Ryan : Yeah, it wasn't great.
Shauna (she/her): He was a good Superman. And then he's also ah Ray Palmer, who is the Atom, on one of my favorite shows of all time, Legends of Tomorrow.
Ryan : It was fine.
Shauna (she/her): And so I, of course, had to show up wearing my...
Ryan : yeah
Shauna (she/her): I have a shirt that looks like an Adidas shirt, but it says Avalanche instead of Adidas. Avalanche being the main ship in the show. And so...
Ryan : Anthony, that was so funny. i ah That was hysterical because you like dropped down and then your head was just kind of hovering for a second like you were being maniacal.
Anthony: Oh, yeah. No, i was ah I was standing at my standing desk. And now i would like to get cozy. So I'm getting cozy.
Ryan : Yeah, good choice.
Shauna (she/her): That's fair.
Anthony: But yeah, no, my head vanished. And then it like elevated back into the frame very, very slowly.
Ryan : that
Anthony: Yeah, that's that's gold for the ah that's gold for the social medias right there.
Ryan : I thought you were doing a bit.
Shauna (she/her): a
Anthony: My dumb bald ass head just like,
Ryan : ah truly is.
Shauna (she/her): It's going to a gif.
Ryan : We brought in our token white guy and exactly.
Shauna (she/her): It's going to first post-podcast gif. Yeah.
Anthony: There. Oh, what an honor.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: i am. Gosh, just this. I am such a, uh, gosh, you guys are making me blush over here.
Ryan : Groundbreaking. Yeah.
Anthony: Just cameo appearances, gifts.
Ryan : Okay. so So
Anthony: i got the whole nine going for me.
Ryan : the whole nine. um But yeah, yesterday we spent ah quite a while there. um And I, I met Felicia Day um of I know her from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She plays a potential named Vi she's one of my favorite potentials. And that was like the thing that I told her. And then she was like, so do you like voice work? Because like, that's what a lot of her career has been, has been like voice acting.
Ryan : And um I, I kind of forgot that that's what she was like, the most well-known for. I was like, oh, sorry, girl. Like, it's just, you know, I came up to because I'm, I happen to be watching the episodes in which you are starring right now on Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Ryan : um And I think she seems super nice, but she told me I had a great voice for um voice acting.
Shauna (she/her): Oh, I love that.
Ryan : So suck it, nerds. I'm out of this bitch.
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : Someone of the 50 people that listen to this, and I have now just, yes, I'm saying 50 people listen, it's like 25, but of the people that listen to this, if you are ever interested in casting me in voice acting, I'm tired of working for companies and organizations. I just want to do voice acting. Let's get into it.
Ryan : I think I'd be good at that.
Shauna (she/her): what would you What's your catchphrase? Like, can you on workshops some here? Like, is there anything you want to try out here?
Ryan : No, don't put me on the spot because the first thing that's going to come to my mind
Shauna (she/her): Ooh, I like that. That's a good one.
Ryan : Don't put me on the spot.
Shauna (she/her): no
Ryan : um No, no. um My, I'm a, I'm a grumpy faggot.
Shauna (she/her): sure
Ryan : What did I say earlier?
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : Disgruntive faggot.
Shauna (she/her): is it
Ryan : That's yeah. That's my actual catchphrase. I said, I'm a homosexual having a panic attack.
Ryan : um So yeah. Fan expo, anything that like stuck out, Sean, anything that was particularly cool.
Shauna (she/her): No, I was, Brandon Roth was delightful. I was so happy I got to meet him Though, i'm I'm a big Felicia Day fan. Like, I used to watch, you ever watch The Guild? Is that on...
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): Okay, so where she was in this like web this web series of her being in-life WoW party that like then like meet each other and like how that goes.
Shauna (she/her): and like I thought it was a really interesting look at that kind of like online gamer life from the early 2000s. That was very much...
Ryan : yeah
Shauna (she/her): you know i was never i was never a while girlie, but like i appreciate... it and like was playing first person shooters instead.
Ryan : I mean, you weren't... Yeah, oh my goodness. Also, the list of games that both of you, I'm certain, would have played. Like, Shauna, I...
Ryan : The two of you need a one-on-one Halo match for me.
Anthony: Oh, whenever whenever she wants to BR start me on blockout and lose a little bit of her soul, come find your boy.
Ryan : Just for me.
Anthony: I'm ready.
Shauna (she/her): Oh, see, i was going to say, we we break out the Halo 1 pistols at Hang'em High.
Anthony: oh Oh, okay.
Shauna (she/her): That's my... Yeah.
Anthony: You're a purist, a lady of culture, I see.
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah. the
Anthony: and But no rockets, though. No rockets. we you know
Shauna (she/her): No, yeah.
Anthony: yeah Yeah, no one gets the rockets and we just, yeah, mano y mano. There we go.
Ryan : i literally just...
Shauna (she/her): See, we had and we had a name for when you had a rocket launcher and you grabbed the invisibility. It was called Squirrel Tactics for our one friend whose name was always Squirrel Ass.
Ryan : Sure. Sure. Everyone had a friend that went by squirrel ass.
Shauna (she/her): Of course, as you do.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: Oh, no.
Ryan : Mm-hmm.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Anthony: I wore brown armor and my name was Poops in Halo 1.
Ryan : It sure was.
Anthony: Classic.
Shauna (she/her): See? Because then you were killed by poops.
Anthony: Classic. Yes.
Ryan : up
Shauna (she/her): I mean, unfortunately, I still will always think of my one friend who, at the time, it was unfortunate that he picked that you were killed by Jane Fonda, and he thought it was the funniest thing, but the jokes were on him because it ended up being his nickname for the next decade plus of his life.
Anthony: Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): So, everyone just called him Fonda.
Ryan : Work. What a great nickname, though. Jane Fonda's a bad bitch.
Shauna (she/her): That's true. You're absolutely correct.
Ryan : Her name deserves respect. Jane Fonda is a bad bitch. um
Shauna (she/her): That was almost the universe's way of making sure that she was respected. That was like, no, no, she's worth more than being this one-off Halo nickname.
Ryan : Yes.
Ryan : Exactly.
Shauna (she/her): Clearly.
Ryan : duper right. um the ah What was the show that we watched, Anthony? Was it Red vs. Blue?
Anthony: Yes!
Shauna (she/her): Yes.
Ryan : Did you watch that, Shauna?
Shauna (she/her): Oh, absolutely. i watched it. And actually, one of the funniest, like, for being, like, a closeted trans woman. yeah So at one point, my ah i they local comic book store owner, which is where we all hung out and played, and he was our friend, he went and he got the group of us all red versus blue shirts with the different characters on it.
Shauna (she/her): And the one he gave me was Tex, who was the one who wore black armor and was actually a girl.
Anthony: Beer. Yup.
Shauna (she/her): And because the joke was, ha ha, you're both really good at Halo, but you're a girl, was like what he was trying to do.
Ryan : Oh,
Shauna (she/her): But, ha ha, I'm really a girl. You're right. Nailed it
Anthony: yeah ah The joke is on him again.
Shauna (she/her): Broken clock right twice a day right here. Good for you.
Ryan : right. And don't forget it. I forgot about that. Text the character that ended up being a girl. i
Anthony: Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): Because I was really good at it.
Ryan : but I totally remember that.
Anthony: Right. Yeah. Her voice changer shorts out.
Shauna (she/her): That's stupid.
Anthony: But yeah, she like kicks everybody's ass. And she's like, yeah, she's like the the super the the only one who's like actually competent in the entire ah cast.
Ryan : Surprise.
Anthony: And Sheila.
Ryan : Surprise.
Anthony: Sheila's the best waifu.
Shauna (she/her): Thank
Ryan : My word. i the last The only reason I thought of it was because you two were talking about Halo and because, not to continuously reference you know this trip that we went on 20 years ago, but i remember watching Red vs.
Ryan : Blue on my portable DVD player in the back of your parents' car driving a fridge.
Anthony: Yup. Yup.
Ryan : My word.
Shauna (she/her): you
Ryan : How did we pass that time? We were so fucking bored.
Anthony: We didn't know any better.
Ryan : Oh, warm.
Anthony: but we had We had a fucking portable DVD player. We were we were basically, that was peak, peak technology in, you know, and now we are old and I am bald and here we are still gaming and going on trips together.
Ryan : T.
Shauna (she/her): That's pretty good.
Ryan : True. And now we are old. um
Anthony: So some things never change.
Ryan : Yeah. um The other thing that we want to talk about, Daredevil, Born Again, is Up and Running and Born Again.
Shauna (she/her): And again.
Ryan : um Sean, you are the the Daredevil expert between betwixt us.
Anthony: Thank you.
Ryan : um what are your What's your take on Daredevil so far?
Shauna (she/her): I've been loving it. Honestly, it's been so good. i love the interplay, the the similarities and the parallels in the journey of Wilson Fisk and Matt Murdock as they both grapple with no longer being Kingpin and Daredevil.
Shauna (she/her): And I think that's such an interesting... journey that they're having I love that they didn't fridge Karen Page which I was really worried about and I'm still not entirely out of the woods on that one i feel like I could absolutely see that being a like oh that that's what actually happens like I don't know how spoiler or heavy we want to go in but like I feel like
Ryan : Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we can just make sure that we add a ah spoiler.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah, because this isn't a spoiler.
Ryan : This is your formal spoiler warning.
Shauna (she/her): This is just my pure supposition, just knowing that there's a very, again, bringing it actually back to our topic of today, there's a very famous Daredevil story where Bullseye kills Karen Page.
Ryan : Right.
Ryan : Right.
Shauna (she/her): And it's called, and it's written by Kevin Smith.
Ryan : Oh, shit.
Shauna (she/her): And it's called Guardian Devil.
Ryan : How funny is that?
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Ryan : How funny is that?
Shauna (she/her): and yeah And it's so pretty because it's drawn by Brian Michael Bendis, and I really like his art style.
Ryan : Mm-hmm.
Shauna (she/her): That kind of like really, like, cartoon.
Ryan : Same.
Shauna (she/her): And so, yeah. So written by Kevin Smith, drawn by Brian Michael Bendis. ah One of my favorite. It's such a good Daredevil story. like It's a great trade paperback if you ever want to pick it up, in my opinion. Oh.
Anthony: Thank you.
Ryan : Yes. Okay, really quickly, since this is also a you know, intersection of social justice and pop culture, what is fridging? Shauna, you mentioned that. What does it mean to fridge a character?
Shauna (she/her): oh Of course. So fridging is a term that is coined by comic book writer Gail Simone, which refers to the common practice of killing off a female character for the sole purpose of advancing a male character in her life's story.
Shauna (she/her): yeah Most famously done to the girlfriend of Green Lantern Kyle Rayner, where he literally found his girlfriend in the refrigerator.
Ryan : Fun fact, you know, a fun not maybe not so fun fact, but um yeah, it's ah it is an extremely common trope that we see in most of our favorite forms of media.
Shauna (she/her): You
Shauna (she/her): you know, and and it's not as prevalent as it's been historic as it was because people like Gail Simone brought attention to it.
Ryan : Mm-hmm.
Shauna (she/her): And I thought and really moved the conversation forward 20 years ago would and to where it is now not as common, but still a very popular,
Shauna (she/her): you know, thing that happens for better or worse. And, you know, it's just going to be like, Oh, how do we get to the hero? Well, we heard someone in his life.
Ryan : Right.
Shauna (she/her): And again,
Ryan : Right. And it's like, it's a, it's a trope because it's a tactic that works. And it is unfortunately, um historically was like, okay, well, oh great. We have a woman let, we have a ah character in the forefront. That's a woman.
Ryan : only for her to then be killed and you know used as motivation. But at the end of the day, like Shauna said, there's still a specific tactic that's behind it. So here and now, looking at you know the type of media we have access to, it is a little bit easier to see see characters die and not just be like okay well you know Karen Page also was on the entirety of the original run of Daredevil on ah Netflix so like killing her off if they do kill her off it's not like she didn't have a really interesting story she wasn't a full character like she had a lot of really cool shit that she did in her run so I don't want her to die but
Ryan : Um, it does, it would make sense if that was the final motivating, motivating factor specifically because as we were talking earlier, Sean, realized, um, we still haven't seen him. We only saw him in the daredevil suit in a retrospective at the beginning of the first episode.
Ryan : Um, But he has yet to put the suit back on, which does kind of mirror what the original run on Netflix was. He didn't actually wear their Daredevil suit until like the second or third season.
Ryan : But that was like a big point of like, can we just see the fucking suit already? So I'm very excited for his new suit. That is the one thing that I'm ready for.
Shauna (she/her): We love a suit reveal.
Ryan : We love a suit reveal.
Shauna (she/her): Outfit choices are always great. and
Ryan : um So let's jump into our topic of the day. Again, we are talking about the View Askewniverse.
Anthony: Thank you.
Ryan : So we've already done Clerks. We're doing Mallrats and Jay and Silent Bob. There's Chasing Amy. There's Dogma. is there ah I know Jane Silent Bob had like a reboot, but Anthony, what's your like, what are your key memories of those films growing up?
Ryan : um what What do you associate them with? How did you how did you get hit to them?
Anthony: Well, for Jay and Silent Bob specifically, and why I am the esteemed guest on this particular episode, is that we absolutely watched that movie for the first time in your bedroom at a sleepover, and...
Anthony: I walked away from that movie believing two things. That Jay was maybe the coolest person and funniest human being I'd ever experienced in my 12 years on planet Earth. And Eliza Dushku was the hottest woman I'd ever seen in my life.
Ryan : Period. To this fucking day.
Anthony: Done. Yeah. Spoilers.
Ryan : Still my number one bitch.
Anthony: Spoilers for later. But yeah. That catsuit, woof. My lord.
Ryan : Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anthony: In heaven. Ha ha ha ha ha.
Ryan : we We were in love with that scene for very different reasons. ah i
Anthony: Ha ha ha ha ha.
Ryan : love a slow-mo click walk. I love needlessly big hair. I love women feeling themselves. And they are all also objectively super fucking hot. So it worked for, you know, it worked for both of us.
Anthony: Not wrong.
Ryan : um
Anthony: Fun for the whole family, right?
Ryan : Fun for the whole family. But um what about the other ones?
Shauna (she/her): And whereas I thought both of those things is the
Ryan : Yes, correct.
Anthony: yeah
Ryan : Shawna, historical bisexual slut, was really thrilled about all of it.
Shauna (she/her): yes and.
Ryan : Yes, and. um What about the other movies, Anthony? Have you seen the rest?
Anthony: Yeah, yeah. So um big shout out to Clerks 2. Clerks 2 is probably my favorite Kevin Smith movie, but I definitely remember going and seeing that with the boys in high school.
Shauna (she/her): Interesting.
Anthony: And oh my gosh, the like the Lord of the Rings, like when he makes the Lord of the Rings guy vomit, or when he's talking about there only being one return and it's of the Jedi, like just all time shit.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: So good.
Ryan : Yeah. Yeah.
Anthony: um But that's off topic and not the movie we were discussing. Mallrats, I didn't see until high college, but um I definitely... watched Jay and Silent Bob like multiple times throughout that run that was like peak Anthony started smoking weed and so now he is going to watch Kevin Smith movies like era of my life so I did go back and watch like Clerks 1 at that point in my life and Mallrats and blah blah but yeah
Ryan : yeah
Anthony: so many quotes from these movies that as I was watching them, like there's as a dad, like anytime I go to the mall and I see a kid on the escalator, you better fucking believe in my mind that the kid is back on the escalator.
Ryan : Yes.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah, yeah.
Ryan : Incredible.
Anthony: Like, yeah, absolutely. So it was a great nostalgia trip.
Ryan : incredible
Anthony: We watched it of last week. It was, ah it was a lot of fun.
Ryan : It was. um ah Sidebar, also, yeah, I don't even think i realized this until earlier. um Anthony, your oldest and Shauna's a kid are, like, around the same age, I think. Like, seven-ish somewhere plus.
Anthony: Yeah, Mallory is seven. She'll be eight in May.
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): yeah yeah
Ryan : Yeah, really wild also. um Shauna, what about you? what's what you You talked a little bit about this on the Clerks episode, but what was your view askewniverse? Like, specifically Mallrats, Jay and Silent Bob.
Shauna (she/her): So like for Mallrats especially, it was, that was probably my favorite movie in high school.
Ryan : Mm-hmm.
Shauna (she/her): Very defining for like the last like two years.
Ryan : Mm-hmm.
Shauna (she/her): Cause like when I was in high school was when Dogma came out. And so that was very much the, like, I remember debating it with like my theology teacher, like, and like where it like became a lot, like we may ended up making a lesson because we were, cause he was like that kind of grumpy theology teacher.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah. But then, but for mall rats, my gosh, like, going to the mall was, like, such a, like, activity for me. It was very relatable.
Shauna (she/her): The comic book nerdiness, the discussions that they had with each other were so, like, ugh, it was so good.
Ryan : Yeah. were you you So you were a mall rat, Shauna?
Shauna (she/her): Yeah, absolutely.
Ryan : I don't think we were ever really mall rats, Anthony, were we?
Anthony: No, i think I think the few times that we did go to Parmatown Mall, Brittany was always stealing stuff.
Ryan : my god.
Anthony: And so I think she kind of soured us on the experience of going to malls.
Ryan : Oh my god.
Shauna (she/her): ah
Ryan : Oh my god. Oh my god. god open Oh god.
Shauna (she/her): ah
Anthony: Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): See, whereas when they built South Park Mall right by me, that was...
Ryan : Oh god.
Anthony: But no, we were, yeah, we were like, we were like hanging out, riding bikes around the neighborhood, sleepovers, playing video games, ordering pizzas, like renting movies from Blockbuster.
Ryan : yeah
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: When we hung out, we didn't like go to the mall to hang out because we lived two minutes away from each other. Like we could just walk to each other's houses or ride our bikes over.
Ryan : Right.
Anthony: So we never had to like meet at a second location to hang because we always just hung kind of around the neighborhood.
Ryan : Right.
Anthony: Right.
Ryan : Yeah, I'm also thinking there were definitely, I feel like in later middle school, early high school, when it started being like, and maybe even specifically like like later high school, where our friend groups became a little more mixed gendered.
Ryan : Like I definitely have memories of like going to the mall and like hanging out. But I can really only remember like two specific experiences, one of which ah It was not with you, Anthony, but it was with a friend of mine growing up, Jocelyn, and her sister and my sister, and they all stole from Claire's.
Ryan : ah And then also hanging out with, like, Abby Driver from middle school days. i don't know if that name...
Anthony: That's a name drop. Holy.
Ryan : Yeah, yeah. um I remember going to the mall with her and some of her friends and... You know, they were all kind of like the the, not bad kids, but like, you know, they were a little misbehaved. Like, they were the alt kids. And I'm pretty sure we definitely stole them, too.
Ryan : stealing.
Shauna (she/her): Thank you.
Anthony: i like i wasn't I wasn't there, but I have this mental image of of teenager Ryan like hanging out in front of South Park Mall smoking cigarettes with the goth kids that we went to high school with after shoplifting.
Ryan : Yep. 100%. 100%. ah drinker hundred per Yeah, 100%. um Parmatown Mall, though, actually, so I worked at Journeys the summer between our fresh earth junior and senior year in high school, and um I was dating this girl, Olivia, that had worked at ah the Arabica in North Royalton, because that was that you know that was our coffee shop, but Um, my sister caught me smoking cigarettes, walking out of work one night.
Ryan : Cause I had stolen a cigarette. I like bummed a cigarette from one of my coworkers. And she, she also had worked at the mall as a teenager. She's like, I never would have had the guts to smoke before going home. Like blah, blah, blah. i was like, well, I don't give a fuck. I'm the youngest.
Ryan : Can I bum a cigarette please? Cause you also smoke at this point in our history. So give me a cigarette. Um, But yeah, I never, like, I went to the mall today and I didn't, I did see some kids like running around, but you know, they have other stuff to do, I guess, like be on their
Shauna (she/her): I think it's not that they have other stuff to do. I think it's the elimination of third spaces generally in our society. I think they've been absolutely discouraged from being at malls, that being a mall rat isn't really a thing because they don't want you there.
Shauna (she/her): They want you to get in and get out, which is part of the reason why then people just aren't getting into malls anymore.
Ryan : Yeah.
Ryan : Exactly.
Shauna (she/her): Let's be honest. Because malls are a dying...
Ryan : So is so terrible.
Shauna (she/her): Like, Parmatown doesn't exist, and South Park and Great Northern are both shells of themselves.
Anthony: Oh, yeah.
Anthony: Oh, yeah, the the shops now are South Parker.
Shauna (she/her): Let's be honest.
Anthony: Tragic. Yeah.
Ryan : Really?
Shauna (she/her): Oh yeah, they have to change they're having to re-change their zoning to make it so that you can have things that aren't just retail there because they need to do something to get people there because there just isn't enough reason with stores.
Ryan : i haven't been in that mall in so long.
Ryan : When that South Park mall went up in whatever year it went up that you would have thought like every person in the suburbs was given like a golden ticket to the Wonka factory. Like it was so, i just remember being like, holy shit, this place is huge because Parmatown was, you know, vast, but it was not two stories.
Ryan : South Park was two fucking stories. And then like the department stores had more than two stores. Like, It was the shit. And then they got a movie theater towards the end of high school.
Ryan : It's good thing we were out of our mall days.
Shauna (she/her): Remember the Smithsonian store?
Ryan : ah Oh, are you sure you don't mean the science store? the
Shauna (she/her): Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ryan : the I didn't know it had a name. It was just the science store to me.
Shauna (she/her): It was like the WVIZ store, I think, it actually, is what it was.
Anthony: Yes!
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: Yes.
Shauna (she/her): That's what it was.
Ryan : Yes. At Great Northern.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah, or no, at south I think it was at South Park. was There was one...
Ryan : so I don't remember that.
Shauna (she/her): There was one at there was a thing a Smithsonian was at Great Northern, but South Park had that WVIZ store that I just remember was like the coolest place in the world.
Ryan : I do remember those.
Shauna (she/her): Because there was the Rainforest store.
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): oh my gosh. Malls used to be great. Wait, let's, I hate that that that we can't even say shit like that.
Ryan : Malls used to be great.
Shauna (she/her): I was like, oh man, what a terrible adjective. Things shouldn't be great again.
Ryan : No.
Shauna (she/her): Let's keep them in the past.
Ryan : you Make malls great again. yeah We got kind of fucked up with that.
Shauna (she/her): That's where i was like, no, I can't fucking say that shit. Fuck that. Like, damn it.
Ryan : Yeah. Bring back malls. Bring back my malls. So... so
Shauna (she/her): Mall Madness.
Ryan : As we continue talking about malls, let's um jump into the the first part of our...
Shauna (she/her): Yeah, wait.
Ryan : ah
Shauna (she/her): Edentown Prairie or Midlow Park?
Ryan : Oh, I don't remember. Those both sound so familiar. What the fuck? What are those?
Shauna (she/her): Those are the two malls in Mallrats. Edentown Prairie being the main mall and Midlow Park being the dirt mall.
Ryan : Yes. The dirt mall, right.
Anthony: the flea market
Ryan : Yes, there were so many things.
Shauna (she/her): Yes.
Anthony: yeah
Ryan : I forgot about that whole fucking section of the movie.
Shauna (she/her): as they As they called it. and
Ryan : Like, I remembered the beginning half.
Shauna (she/her): with the Well, so the basis of Mallrats is where this transsexual...
Ryan : And yes, Ivana, the topless fortune teller.
Anthony: yeah that was I could not remember that either yeah it's funny
Ryan : Like, I saw the sign. I was like, whoa, wow. um So Shauna, tell us about the the basics of Mallrats.
Shauna (she/her): Oh wait, I'm sorry, his name's Justyess.
Ryan : Right, exactly.
Shauna (she/her): um My bad. and
Ryan : It's just TS.
Shauna (she/her): i got confused.
Ryan : It doesn't stand for transsexual, but it is TS.
Shauna (she/her): Oh, okay.
Ryan : And it's not Elliot.
Shauna (she/her): That's actually the sequel to Mallrats that they never came out with, unfortunately.
Ryan : Yeah, unfortunately.
Shauna (she/her): Really, we just left lot on the table there. But anyways, so T.S.
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): Quint is dating Brandy Svenning, whose father is running a game show and also is a future guardian of the galaxy. and And so they...
Shauna (she/her): The dad's, um... but the mo What's Yondu? Yondu.
Ryan : yeah totally he sure the fuck is holy is shit wow
Shauna (she/her): He's Yondu, yeah. Yeah, Yondu is the father that you get to see fucking butt-ass naked. And so...
Ryan : oh again had my attention right away i was like dude butts in continue sorry
Shauna (she/her): Yeah, you got to see Yondu's ass, like... Anyways, so other... Reaver ass aside, we then go, she, this daughter now has to be on his game show. That's this dating show at the mall.
Shauna (she/her): And, you know, they get in a fight as, you know, young college age or just post college aged kids do. yeah I think they're all like 21, like 2021 the, what I kind of got the impression.
Ryan : 20 something, Yeah,
Anthony: Yeah, like in college or in, yeah.
Shauna (she/her): And so bo Or should have been, but they dropped out or something.
Anthony: Exactly.
Shauna (she/her): Like, it felt that kind of.
Ryan : yeah, yeah.
Shauna (she/her): And so, no, they end up breaking up. And sure enough, then Brody Bruce, played by Jason Lee, and his girlfriend, played by Shannon Doherty, whose name is, um... Oh, gosh, what is her name?
Ryan : Everyone note, her name's Renee.
Anthony: Renee, yep.
Shauna (she/her): Renee, thank you.
Ryan : Yeah, yeah. Everyone, Shannon Doherty is my fucking bitch, man. I love Shannon Doherty so fucking much, man.
Shauna (she/her): She's great.
Anthony: That monologue when she gives, when she dumps Brody, throwing fucking a hundred.
Ryan : RIP.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: Because I actually made a note that the that the acting in the T.S.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: Brady scene was like, oh no, how long is this movie?
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: This is rough. But then that happens. I'm like, oh, Shannon Doherty, let's fucking go. Like, we got some actors.
Ryan : yeah
Anthony: Here we go.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah. The person that...
Ryan : Masterclass, truly.
Shauna (she/her): change it that Charts the plane the plane's flight path. The navigator.
Ryan : um I did also notice that Shayna Doherty got top billing in the cast at the end. She was the first on the credits, so...
Shauna (she/her): Yeah. That is an interesting... like
Ryan : Reserved.
Shauna (she/her): But yeah, so then her and her, you know, stoner, lazy, lives in his mom's basement, like, and she has to sneak in like, Brody, they break up as well.
Shauna (she/her): And so now our two protagonists are girlfriendless and are now spending the day at the mall, as you do.
Ryan : Mm-hmm.
Shauna (she/her): Because where're what else would you do?
Ryan : Mm-hmm. So let's, let's start there. Let's, let's pause there and, and talk so about what we've seen so far. um First and foremost, I wouldn't sleep in that bed either. Jason Lee, you fucking prick. That is a child's twin size bed.
Ryan : Grow up. I would have left his ass the first time I went there and he was like, this is my bed. i would have said, I'm gone.
Shauna (she/her): I think there's no sneaking in a second time through that window.
Ryan : Correct.
Shauna (she/her): That is a one time, okay, now we've got to meet or this is not okay.
Ryan : Correct. Correct.
Shauna (she/her): And, you know, maybe again, I'm just a little um sensitive to being someone's secret.
Ryan : yeah
Shauna (she/her): So I have like, not going to fuck with that.
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): Like, that's not absolutely not like get out of here.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: I mean, all I'm saying is that with the very little that Brody had going for him, the dickhead have just been exceptional, that she kept climbing back into his mom's basement for his shitty twin bed.
Ryan : and
Anthony: I mean, there's something there, right?
Shauna (she/her): That's true.
Ryan : yeah
Shauna (she/her): Well, you know what?
Ryan : I don't know, because she also comments on it later.
Shauna (she/her): But like, who does... I love a...
Ryan : She said, when a girl says it's a good size, she definitely, i mean, I guess a good size and it being good dick are completely unrelated to each other.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Ryan : ah
Shauna (she/her): It's a nice way of saying it's small.
Ryan : Maybe. Yeah, i I don't think that um it's the dick. Maybe. Maybe it's maybe it's the dick. Maybe it's the dick.
Shauna (she/her): No, he's carrying...
Ryan : I don't know.
Anthony: some combination of self-loathing and the dick, like 70-30 self-loathing and dick.
Shauna (she/her): No, no, no. I know that star... I know that nerd.
Ryan : Yeah, yeah.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Ryan : The dick wasn't that great, but she didn't like herself enough.
Shauna (she/her): He is charismatic. as
Ryan : Mm-hmm.
Shauna (she/her): When he's on, he is very on. He's very charismatic. He's very charming. But unfortunately, it's hard to maintain that sometimes when you don't have anything else.
Ryan : True.
Shauna (she/her): And so it's not enough. But that is why.
Ryan : Yep.
Anthony: Yeah. But Hartford, the whale, they only beat Vancouver like once or twice in a lifetime.
Shauna (she/her): but
Anthony: He is correct about that. Like...
Shauna (she/her): great so fucking great.
Anthony: I don't know.
Shauna (she/her): Yes!
Ryan : The writing in this is um really verbose, but really good. And I think I said that about Clerks, too. and They figured it out once they got to... like ah There was a noticeable difference between Jane, Silent Bob, and Mallrats.
Ryan : But like no one... The way that they talk just feels like a really funny writer gave them really good lines. But it it always felt like they were kind of...
Ryan : Didn't feel like it. It was just so verbose.
Shauna (she/her): They were line reading.
Ryan : It was line reading and it was believable and it was great and it was well written. But, you know, there's like a couple of interactions where it's like, this literally is like, no one went through, no one read pen, this shit. Like you have three more words in here than you need to be. And it's drawing these interactions to the point of like,
Ryan : okay, these are really long conversations about absolutely nothing. But that's that that was just my one note slash take on the general um writing of the movie is really funny, could be more succinct.
Shauna (she/her): But how the hell else am I supposed to get the cat out?
Anthony: I wonder if that's...
Ryan : What? Right, right, right.
Ryan : And also, so I think, do do you remember, is the girl that died that was Brandy's cousin and the reason that Brandy has to go on the show, is that the girl that died in Clerks?
Shauna (she/her): Yes, it is. And that's why they have to go to the funeral is for that same girl.
Ryan : That's the connection.
Ryan : Yes. So this is happening. They're happening simultaneously.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah, yeah, it's all in the same era with the same, like, high school graduating class. So actually, it's very appropriate that you two are on. Like, it has a very similar vibe of, like, a, like...
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): this kind of small town, everyone knows each other.
Ryan : All these people know each other. Mm-hmm.
Shauna (she/her): yeah absolutely. Like, can you see that in the next movie too? Which by the way, I was thinking, I think the dialogue doesn't get any less verbose as much as the actors when it's, cause Ben Affleck is good, is capable of good acting and, you know, and I love Joey Lauren Adams and i think Jason Lee even does a great job too.
Ryan : Mm-hmm. So
Ryan : cute.
Shauna (she/her): Like, but giving the better actors, those kinds of lines that are able to do a little more with it.
Ryan : There was definitely a noticeable it improvement between Mallrats and Jane Silent Bob with Jason Lee's acting. Because if you notice, Jason Lee's acting was just, he got louder.
Ryan : Like that, every every line read was just like regular volume, intensified volume, super loud volume. And that's where the the punchline is almost always buried.
Ryan : So like, sometimes I was like, is he funny or is he loud?
Shauna (she/her): See, I've gotten in many arguments with comic book nerds that follow that same pattern, so actually that's just true to form.
Ryan : Which, same.
Shauna (she/her): I think that was just really the nature of, yeah, that that was actually just playing the part.
Ryan : Sure. That was good casting. Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): That was acting.
Ryan : Yep. Okay, got it. Good call. Good call. The other thing before we actually enter into the mall, did you peep some of the names of those stores, by the way?
Anthony: i wrote down I wrote down rug munchers.
Shauna (she/her): Oh yeah, absolutely.
Ryan : Yes. um Rug Munchers. Oh, I didn't write down any of the names. I just write LOL the store names. um One of them was, fuck, Popular Girl. And it's just like a girl in a bra and a skirt. And she's like, oh, she literally looks like a full blow up doll.
Ryan : um But that store was called Popular Girl.
Shauna (she/her): Fashionable male, aka Express. Like...
Ryan : Yes,
Anthony: Thank
Ryan : Fashionable male. What a wild time. What a wild time. Okay, take us into the mall. Let's tell what happens next.
Shauna (she/her): Okay. Well, they of course meet everyone's favorite, Jay and Silent Bob, who are in, i think, really great form. They are given just free reign for hijinks and shenanigans.
Ryan : Yes.
Ryan : Yes.
Shauna (she/her): They're trying to break up this game show that's being filmed at their beloved mall, taking up all of this space, construction. It's a real problem. And so now they're on a mission, except there's the security guard, LaForge.
Shauna (she/her): Wait, you know LaForge? You know LaForge is, right?
Ryan : Is he? He looked very familiar.
Shauna (she/her): They don't know LaForge is.
Ryan : Oh, shut up, Sean.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah. Yeah.
Ryan : Damn it. Who is the actor that played the fours?
Anthony: Ha ha ha.
Shauna (she/her): Oh, I have no idea. I'm just going to keep making Mallrats quotes.
Ryan : Yeah, no, keep it up.
Shauna (she/her): that's
Ryan : You're doing great.
Shauna (she/her): That's... That's where I'm at.
Anthony: Ha
Ryan : Uh-huh.
Ryan : So we meet Jay Silent Bob.
Shauna (she/her): But yeah, and so... So we meet Jay and Silent Bob, and, you know, you get an imitation of Wolverine's Berserker rage, which I think is a great, like, shnickety-shnickety-shtot...
Anthony: ha.
Shauna (she/her): just so good at making it seem so, like, they're they're so in the culture, like, so very much, like, written by nerds, and, you know, I love all of these, like, pieces that go into it.
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : Yes.
Shauna (she/her): And then you find out that Stan Lee's even going to be at this mall, which is, I think, a great cameo.
Ryan : Agreed.
Shauna (she/her): Ugh.
Ryan : What, first,
Anthony: i did i was tickled I was tickled by ah the hit the reference to Silent Bob's like ah mechanical geniuses that he turned his mom's vibrator into a CD player for the science fair.
Shauna (she/her): Let's see.
Anthony: It was just like a throwaway line that Jay said while they were good. I had to pause it because I was laughing so hard. was like, he did what now?
Ryan : I really cannot... I have to... what Like, you have to wonder how much how many of the lines specifically between Jay and Silent Bob or, like, the lines that Jay is delivering in those are, like, ad-libbed because the way the way that he, like, throws throws away some of the funniest lines is clearly intentional, but it's, like, it feels like, you know, they did that take four or five times to see which one was the funniest and, like, it's, like, that's the one that they landed on um because...
Ryan : Jason Mewes just has impeccable comedic timing. He's so fucking funny. They are, for just being like stonery nerd white boy characters, they are probably two of my favorite characters in, you know, like ah fiction intellectual property. I just have always loved James Allen Bob.
Shauna (she/her): I agree. Like, they're, you know, there's just, like, an affability to them. a Like, even when they're being really crude, like, I think you see them, like, they were, like, a little rude in Clerks, but I think that kind of grows past that, like, into a different kind of, like, ways, like, in which I think is a really great evolution of the characters, and, oh, you're you're absolutely right, like, just such a great pop culture moment of that, the late 90s, early 2000s.
Ryan : Yeah.
Ryan : Agreed.
Anthony: Yeah. there is a There is a wholesome person underneath that just like several inches thick layer of sleaze that just encompasses Jay at all times.
Shauna (she/her): ah
Ryan : Yeah. yeah
Anthony: But yeah there's a, yeah.
Ryan : Agreed.
Anthony: There's a cutie in there deep down.
Ryan : And he's like teachable. Yeah, he definitely, um he responds well when he's checked. Like, he's not toxic in this, like, yeah, he might say some weird shit, like, in Jane's on Bob, you know, when him and Shannon Elizabeth are talking, and he calls her a bitch, like, lovingly, and she's like, maybe because women don't like to be called bitches.
Ryan : He's like, they don't? Like, literally, it's not, it's not that he's a bad guy, he's just fucking stupid, and, you know, women probably don't want to talk to him for very long, but...
Shauna (she/her): A great lesson on bringing people in
Ryan : Then he tried.
Shauna (she/her): I think that's the...
Ryan : Yes.
Shauna (she/her): yeah.
Ryan : and That's a call. And that's a call in. What a great job, Ally, Shannon Elizabeth. um Yeah, I like had to, I rewatched the Jade Silent Bob intro um in Mallrats because it was such a ah geekable moment. And I largely think they are why loved Mallrats so much when I was younger. Like the comedy is so funny.
Ryan : Watching um Brody and TS, like that part's funny, but like Shannon Doherty and James on Bob, that's that's what I'm here for in Mallrats, my favorites, my absolute favorites.
Shauna (she/her): And that cover of Build Me Up Buttercup by the Goops.
Ryan : i You are such a weirdo with these soundtracks. Like I don't hear those things. I didn't, when did that happen?
Shauna (she/her): Oh, that's the scene when they're having sex in the elevator. is there's It's the, why don't you build me up?
Anthony: yep
Shauna (she/her): And it's that like...
Ryan : Didn't even notice that.
Shauna (she/her): That's going on as they're like having it. And then it cuts to the outside where you see like Ben Affleck waiting. his shannon His character, Shannon Hamilton, who likes to have sex in very uncomfortable places, like the back of a Volkswagen.
Ryan : Yes. Very uncomfortable places.
Anthony: What, like the back of a Volkswagen?
Ryan : You back with Volkswagen?
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : Yeah. um Okay, so they they enlist Jane, Son, and Bob for help to try to break up this stage, and ah then they go off to get themselves a cookie from what used to be called...
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Ryan : The Great Cookie Company, is that what it was in Parmatown?
Shauna (she/her): No, it or it was the original cookie. It was the original cookie something, I think.
Anthony: company. I don't think it was a factory.
Shauna (she/her): was it
Anthony: It was a company, but those cookies were absolutely fantastic.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Ryan : die for.
Anthony: Oh my gosh.
Ryan : Die for.
Anthony: The M&M ones.
Ryan : Yup.
Anthony: Yeah. Take me back.
Shauna (she/her): They're not a part of the food court, though.
Anthony: No, it is.
Ryan : They are not.
Anthony: No, we all agree that that is,
Shauna (she/her): They're autonomous eating stations.
Anthony: For midmma mid-mall snacking.
Ryan : For mid.
Anthony: Like the Auntie Anne's at South Park.
Shauna (she/her): Absolutely.
Anthony: Yeah. now that is
Ryan : Yes.
Shauna (she/her): Correct.
Anthony: that is not a hot take. Brody, dead on accurate. He won that argument, hands down.
Ryan : Yup.
Shauna (she/her): Absolutely. You know what?
Ryan : And I like that all three of us committed that part to memory because it's like, yeah, he's right.
Anthony: Although I...
Ryan : That's not the food court. Like he's, he is correct. I, sometimes I need a mid mall snack. oh Oh, Annie Ann's. There's that bitch. Let me get pretzel.
Shauna (she/her): yeah And he's probably also right that only someone like Wonder Woman has the ability to carry Superman's baby. i think that was also oh W for Brody.
Anthony: i do I distinctly remember having a very similar conversation about Dragon Ball Z and Vegeta impregnating Bulma.
Anthony: Very similar, like, like very nerdy.
Ryan : He's a Saiyan.
Anthony: like Like, how does the biology of this transpire? You know, like ah like a human woman, like, yeah, the Prince of Saiyans baby inside.
Ryan : She can't take that nut.
Anthony: It was very, very, you know, so that, yeah, that that ah that particular conversation, like being, so like, actually, like, we're going to math this out, guys. Like, how does this work?
Ryan : Serious about it.
Anthony: Yeah, like, yeah, very serious, yeah.
Ryan : Yes. 100%. hundred percent we're As Stan Lee says, I think he has a fixation on super superhero private parts or whatever he says.
Ryan : Superhero sex organs is the is the line that he used, which I thought was remarkable.
Anthony: Yes. Yes.
Ryan : Okay.
Shauna (she/her): You know, it's an industry secret that what, you know, what is the case with Ben Grimm? I was thinking, he's...
Ryan : What is... What is it? Is it just...
Shauna (she/her): What's he got...
Ryan : Is he a regular dick?
Shauna (she/her): I think it's got to be smooth, right? Like, I think it's got to be, like, kind of like a, like a, like a Barbie Ken doll situation.
Ryan : Just no genitals.
Anthony: Oh.
Shauna (she/her): i don't think so. Like, where would I, like...
Ryan : Nah.
Shauna (she/her): I'm thinking, like, I think it's just, like, he's, like, he doesn't have a nose, like...
Ryan : Nah. I thought you meant his dick was like a smooth rock. You know, like maybe it's like...
Shauna (she/her): Now, is the question, does is it an erogenous zone for him, I think is really the question. Because I could see it kind of being like its own, like, you know, canal kind of situation, like maybe.
Ryan : Wow.
Ryan : Jesus Christ.
Shauna (she/her): like But I can't help but think...
Ryan : In Guido Canal, Shauna? What? Yeah.
Anthony: Yeah, like there's like there's just one particular rock down there that's the hot button, and if you find that it's game on.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah, that...
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): Oh, yeah.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : Yeah. Maybe it's that. Maybe there is a sex organ, but it's just like, you know, in the Hunger Games when um she sees Peeta's face like painted to look like a bunch of rocks, but then she like touches his face and his his eyes open.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Ryan : Maybe it's like that, but it's a wiener.
Shauna (she/her): He's got eyes down there, you think?
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : Yeah. No, he's got a wiener down there, but it's a wiener.
Shauna (she/her): Interesting. I don't know.
Ryan : It's a rock wiener. Okay. Anyways, superhero sex organs aside,
Shauna (she/her): It's a rock wiener.
Ryan : ah
Shauna (she/her): Oh,
Shauna (she/her): thanks
Ryan : Okay, ah keep keep us moving along the plot. So they enlist Jay and Silent Bob.
Shauna (she/her): oh yeah, of course. Well, then they write the... um Well, then, of course, we can't forget them meeting the very not-holds-up, underage sex book writer...
Ryan : Whoa. Okay, so now let's start with Trish the Dish.
Shauna (she/her): Because
Ryan : Let's just take a moment to talk about how fucking wild that, nobody calls for that.
Anthony: Oh, my.
Shauna (she/her): nobody calls her that.
Ryan : ah
Shauna (she/her): thank
Ryan : ah Anthony, I know you said you took a bunch of notes. Did you have anything about Trish?
Anthony: ah not Trish specifically, because I was too busy starring and writing in all caps, that kid is back on the escalator, because that's when that happens. So, um my my under eight, you know, I don't know how old that actor is, but the schoolgirl uniform was working, but then it's like, oh, she's 15, Anthony, bad, like, straight to horny jail, like, whoops.
Ryan : Yeah, well...
Anthony: So, I'll cut, yeah.
Ryan : That woman is an adult. That is an adult woman playing a 15-year-old.
Anthony: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so, ah yeah, roleplay unlocked for your boy. file that away for a rainy day.
Ryan : As Trish the Dish, specifically.
Anthony: yeah Yeah, something adjacent would would certainly get the get the juices going, I suppose.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: But yeah, no, I definitely, like as the like I had already mentioned, that is like a quote from a movie that I routinely use in my existence.
Ryan : You're joking.
Anthony: And so I just, I got so geeked when it happened. And I, yeah, so I got sidetracked by that.
Ryan : I actually can think about you. I can hear you saying that in my voice and I don't think I remember a being from Mallrats.
Anthony: Because I will just say it at random fucking places where there's escalators that have kids on them.
Ryan : Yes.
Anthony: Like, even if the kids are being totally behaved, I just can't help myself.
Ryan : Yes.
Anthony: It's like, I just have to say it. So yeah, you have almost certainly heard me say
Ryan : Yes. i am.
Shauna (she/her): yeah shut no shout out to my grade school best friend john holton who him and i would make those that reference at each other all the time as well and like we're we've been friends since kindergarten yeah like that is a line that like it's so uh
Ryan : It's just so funny.
Anthony: Yeah, he delivers it so perfectly, and yeah, I just my love it.
Ryan : And he's not even focused on the conversation either. i ru I'm sorry.
Anthony: No, not at all.
Ryan : I can't focus. I can't.
Anthony: She's talking to TS, and he's just like Hawkeye on the fucking escalator out of frame. Oh, it's so good.
Ryan : He's locked in. He's locked the fuck in about this kid on the escalator. But, okay, so i remember I remember not really under... Like, I don't know that that I've watched Mallrats since I was, you know, like a teenager or, like, since I was younger.
Ryan : So I don't really remember being as, like... I kind of feel like i recall being confused by like everything she was saying. Cause you know, it was supposed to sound super academic and you know, the, the male libido and whatever, but then listening to it now, I'm like, in what world would a publishing institution support underage sex with 20 grand and for this woman to commit multiple, to participate in multiple felonious crimes and doc document it and then write a book about it.
Shauna (she/her): Like, and, you know, not being one to evict, but, like, I think that at the rate that you're like, no, I'm going out and sleeping with these adult men very intentionally is like, like, nobody's coming out good here.
Shauna (she/her): That's all I'm saying.
Ryan : Right.
Shauna (she/her): Like, nobody's winning.
Anthony: Thank you.
Ryan : Bad choices are being made.
Shauna (she/her): Everyone's doing bad.
Ryan : Correct.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Ryan : Correct. Everyone's making bad choices. Um, but, uh, uh,
Shauna (she/her): Like, shit, though. Like, ugh.
Ryan : Please, please, whatever you were gonna say after that shit, though.
Shauna (she/her): Oh, I was going to say, i was this makes me think of... So I was i i went out dancing last night, right? And it was...
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): ah one point I had the realization that I haven't been single longer than some of the people that have been alive.
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): And that is weird.
Ryan : Mm-hmm.
Anthony: These are the realizations that we come to when we were 30 or 40 years old, right, Shauna?
Shauna (she/her): Look, you...
Shauna (she/her): It's very true. look All I'm saying is you can't forget 9-11 if you weren't there to remember it in the first place.
Ryan : Correct. I remember my cousin who was born in the year 2003 posting something on her Instagram on 9-11 like never forget. And I was like, you weren't alive to remember it.
Ryan : What do you mean never forget? That's not that's okay. This is how you know it's brainwashy patriotism and not actual sentiment.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, there was it was a lot of fun, and i just... that is a very, it's just the nature of, you know, what and I love it though.
Shauna (she/her): I want, I'm so glad that all of these like young queer people, trans people, et cetera, are all out, you know, living their best life.
Ryan : Yeah. yeah. This
Shauna (she/her): Like, you know, frankly, like I see why people are worried. i was like, you know what? Good. Cause we are fucking doing your shit. You know, i did worry. i did think at one point that magic, the gathering tournament was going to break out, but you know what?
Shauna (she/her): That's still, that's all I, guess that's just the threat. That's the new normal in these days. And I, you know what? I love that. I accept it.
Ryan : and And you were actually worried because you didn't have your cards on you, not because you didn't want to see it.
Shauna (she/her): Look, I gave that life up long ago, thank you very much.
Ryan : It's because you were unprepared.
Shauna (she/her): we all have our vices, and never never will I ever have a Magic the Gathering collection.
Ryan : did Did MTG stick for you, Anthony?
Anthony: Um, I, I, I played it briefly, but no, I never like collected cards of my own.
Shauna (she/her): o
Anthony: Like I knew how to play the game and I would occasionally play with a couple individual friends and they'd be like, here, use this deck. And then I would just get absolutely shithoused by them. Cause I was like, Oh, I do this.
Anthony: What? Like, but, um, tangentially related, I have taught Mallory how to play the Pokemon card game and we have like decks and stuff and we battle a against each other.
Shauna (she/her): ah but
Shauna (she/her): o
Ryan : As you should.
Shauna (she/her): Same, that's...
Anthony: Yeah. And she,
Shauna (she/her): That I think is like our like future summer. Like we we dabbled in it a bit about a year ago with ours. And I think it's like, it was a little too much. Like it was like right on the edge where it was like all the math made sense, but I think it was like a little, needed a little more reading.
Shauna (she/her): And so now I feel like we're going really like blossom this summer.
Anthony: Yeah, yeah.
Shauna (she/her): That's, I'm excited for that.
Anthony: Mm-hmm. Yeah, it was very guided play.
Shauna (she/her): But also have you played Ballot Pro?
Anthony: Oh, gosh, no. um I'm scared to try it because I'm a huge Slay the Spire fan, and so Balotro would absolutely...
Shauna (she/her): That's fair. my god, I love Sleeve the Spire! It's the post...
Anthony: No. Stop being so relatable.
Shauna (she/her): See, this is...
Anthony: I just got...
Shauna (she/her): love Sleeve the Spire.
Anthony: Yes, my current romantic interest slash girlfriend who is probably listening to this. Hi, Claire. um I got her super addicted to Slay the Spire.
Ryan : Hey.
Anthony: So, ah yeah.
Shauna (she/her): Oh, I love that.
Anthony: One of us. One of us. I'm spreading the addiction like any self-respecting indie gamer should.
Shauna (she/her): um my god.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: The game's so good.
Shauna (she/her): good.
Ryan : Have I played
Anthony: all right, so episode 112 of Real Hot Nerd Shit.
Shauna (she/her): What?
Anthony: We're just going to put Ryan in the corner and we're going to do two hours on Slay the Spire deal.
Ryan : it? Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): Yes. pardon
Ryan : Precisely. and its
Shauna (she/her): car Card games is a great...
Anthony: When you're really running it out of ideas.
Shauna (she/her): Actually, card games is a good... You joke, but card games is absolutely a good theme, and i one I could talk about far more.
Ryan : When we did our um fantasy run, we we toyed with the idea of recording a one shot or like a, is it called a one shot in D&D?
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Anthony: yes it is. Very good.
Ryan : Yeah, of us of us doing a one-shot for D&D. And, you know, it's they can barely keep their campaign on track. So trying to throw another random, you know, one-shot in there would have been a nightmare.
Shauna (she/her): Well, look, there's one person who's not great about checking his texts and responding to them.
Ryan : Say their name. Say their name.
Shauna (she/her): Charlie.
Ryan : Oh, I thought it was going to be Armana.
Shauna (she/her): It's absolutely Charlie.
Ryan : Okay, got it.
Shauna (she/her): No, no, no.
Ryan : Fucking Charlie.
Shauna (she/her): It's absolutely Charlie in our little D&D group who's very bad at times. And so we often wait for group consensus of like, hey, are we playing this Sunday? And then one person will say something, and then we'll just wait for anyone else to say anything.
Shauna (she/her): But often it's like because like there's one person who's going to throw the wrench in. and We almost didn't get to record this today because I almost had to be playing D&D. But...
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: I am the wrench thrower in my D&D group. I hate to admit it.
Ryan : Boo.
Anthony: I'm that guy. But we are playing tonight, actually. Playing at 9.
Shauna (she/her): See?
Anthony: So, yeah.
Shauna (she/her): sure right
Anthony: that's But no, i I tend to be the the wrench thrower in my group, so I apologize.
Ryan : So
Anthony: that's ah It's a shitty thing to do to the homies.
Ryan : you play online or like
Anthony: Yeah, we do the, we don't, ah virtual tabletop. Yeah. So it's like we're in a Discord server and then it's like, ah yeah, it's an applet that you run on like a webpage that has the map and the tokens and the rollings and all that good stuff.
Ryan : Sick.
Shauna (she/her): It works pretty well, honestly.
Ryan : Not.
Shauna (she/her): like
Anthony: It does.
Shauna (she/her): You know what?
Anthony: Great.
Shauna (she/her): Not a lot of positives coming out of that their pandemic, but one that was.
Ryan : Mm-hmm.
Shauna (she/her): Online gaming, a lot easier now, it's really which is really nice
Anthony: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Ryan : Which also, just real quick while while we are on this mini tangent of gaming, um I have, so Shauna kind of picked up the second half of influencing my gaming. Like Shauna and Ryan were like my but older adult influences on gaming, whereas Anthony was my you know, original um ah influence on gaming.
Ryan : And the first game that I played during the pandemic that like made me say, okay, going to buy a Switch was Zelda. And I was so nervous to play because for my entire childhood, i would sit at sleepovers and watch Anthony play Zelda with glee. Like I never wanted to play. I just wanted to watch But I would be like stressed out for him and like would be thinking in my head.
Ryan : Like i I really had to like let go of the idea that this game is like too hard for me because Anthony made it like look easy.
Shauna (she/her): Mm-hmm.
Ryan : But also i could never I couldn't pick it up as easily if we were like if he were to hand me the controller. it would take a little bit longer for me to be able to like acclimate myself to it.
Ryan : So as an adult, I'm like, i don't know if I can play this game. Like this game was so fucking hard. I can play that game. So shout out to ah Anthony for trying when we were kids, but I know everything I know about Zelda is because I watched Anthony play Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask in real time for however long you played those games for.
Anthony: That is factually correct.
Ryan : Great times.
Anthony: Oh yeah.
Ryan : Yep.
Shauna (she/her): Hmm.
Ryan : All right. ah So the gang is trying to get onto this game show with ah Brandy. But before they can really make anything happen, they go to the dirt mall because they get this like grand idea.
Shauna (she/her): Well, they got kicked out first, so they finally did get caught, you know, because ah Mr.
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : Yes, they get kicked out.
Anthony: Fucking Lathor's.
Shauna (she/her): Svenning was, like, he was taught, yeah, he was had he had enough, and so he finally got his revenge on them and that way that, you know, you i guess you have power when you're a TV show producer at a mid-level mall in Minneapolis.
Ryan : at a local New Jersey.
Shauna (she/her): I'm sorry, it's in New Jersey, but the mall is actually in Minnesota.
Ryan : Got it.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Ryan : So they get kicked out and they go to the dirt mall to see Ivana the fortune teller, which we talked about earlier.
Shauna (she/her): the topless fortune teller.
Ryan : A topless fortune teller, which we talked about a little bit ago, but I completely forgot about that part of the movie. And it like triggered this part of my brain that I was like, I definitely jerked off to this as a teenager. one hundred percent 100%.
Ryan : Like, I don't, I don't have a specific memory, but this feeling came back of being like, this was porn to me.
Anthony: Thank you.
Ryan : 100%. Confusing porn, but it was porn. Because she was a topless storyteller who worked through her third nipple. that was her That was her connection to, you know, her powers or whatever.
Ryan : And of course we learned that it is not real. But another... One of my notes from this scene, and please feel free to jump in if you all have notes, but one of my notes is I have said, fuck us for like my whole life.
Shauna (she/her): What is...
Ryan : And I did not remember that it was from Ivana, the topless fortune teller until that moment. She said, fuck us. And I said, oh my God, another thing unlocking in me. That's where that's fucking from. Holy shit.
Anthony: I just had made note of how hilarious it is that Brody drags him in there and then she tells him it's like 60 bucks or whatever. and he's like, Hey dude, like you got like, get your wall. Like that's just such a bro move to like be like, we all have that one guy friend who just you're you sharking money from you constantly for dumb shit.
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): And.
Anthony: That is his idea. Like that, that tracks so hard.
Ryan : yeah Exactly.
Anthony: That's eternal. Like there's always going to be that guy.
Ryan : you go.
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : Absolutely.
Anthony: And then he's like, Hey man, can I get 20 bucks?
Ryan : yeah
Anthony: Sorry. it's Yeah. There's always one.
Ryan : Walking to Taco Bell with Jared in ninth grade and having 20 bucks in my pocket and treating the homies to Taco Bell because you could get a lot for 20 bucks in the early 2000s.
Anthony: Yeah, you could feed four teenagers with 20 bucks at Taco Bell back in that day.
Ryan : You sure the fuck could. You sure the fuck could. Any um notes or thoughts on the dirt mall scene, Sean?
Anthony: Can't even feed myself now.
Ryan : Anything that stuck out or that you're remembering?
Shauna (she/her): Well, let's see. they Because they have the great rare realization. you know, i like the, like, one of you suffers silently and one of you you... Like, I always thought that was such a great, like, the parallels between them when they're both kind of very much in the same boat about their respective significant others. always thought that was such a good, like, the way she kind of tied it all together.
Shauna (she/her): you know, really, it was a really nice, like... You know, yeah especially after the like the real slapsticky chase scene that was before it. i think that it was such a good follow up. And like, I really appreciate it as it moves it the movie to its denouement as they then go and decide they have a plan sort both wreck the stage, get revenge on Shannon Hamilton, who is the jerk who, you know, wanted to beat the shit out of them.
Ryan : Fucks people in uncomfortable places.
Shauna (she/her): And then fucks people in uncomfortable places. Yeah. and And so they go knock out the two of the three contestants, except for Brian O'Halloran himself, who is playing his cousin, Dante Hicks.
Ryan : The suitors.
Anthony: Well, yeah, Jay smokes them under the table. That's what happens.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: The contestants become incapacitated from the ah copious amounts of marijuana that Jay entices them with.
Ryan : And that is why you keep stoners around.
Anthony: They're just like, uncut. Yep.
Ryan : Exactly. Snoochie boochies.
Shauna (she/her): Mm-hmm.
Anthony: Yep. Snoochie boochies.
Ryan : I'm so excited to work those things back into my ah into my vocabulary again as an adult because occasionally texting Anthony and responding with snoogins has like brought me a level of joy again.
Anthony: Yeah.
Anthony: No.
Ryan : like ba It just, you know, it's a great great callbacks, great reminders, great quotable lines.
Anthony: No, Snitchy Boochies needs to fucking make a comeback. it's That's a great, great phrase.
Ryan : Sure does.
Anthony: All for it.
Ryan : That and until the day he dies.
Shauna (she/her): God, but its it it ah looks like someone shit in your cereal.
Ryan : so Go, go, go, go.
Shauna (she/her): BANG!
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: ah
Shauna (she/her): God.
Ryan : What I was going to say before, you know we we're um advocating for Snoochie Boochies coming back. And until the day he dies, Anthony will advocate for jabronis to remain in the popular lexicon.
Anthony: Oh, yes. If there is if theres there's one person left on this planet using the word jabroni, I will be alive.
Shauna (she/her): Gironis is a great word.
Anthony: If there are zero people, then I would be dead. I will keep it alive. I will keep that fire burning as long as I shall live. And, you know, teenage children of mine several years from now can, you know, I'll start trying to work that in, but they're a little bit young.
Ryan : they
Anthony: Although having a four-year-old call somebody a jabroni would absolutely hit. And I would, if it was not my kid, if I heard some four-year-old call somebody a jabroni, I would die.
Ryan : Yeah. Top tier.
Anthony: i would absolutely die.
Ryan : Top tier.
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : Then there's that fucking kid on the escalator calling people jabronis now.
Anthony: yeah
Shauna (she/her): I think that kid's actually the jabroni.
Anthony: e she
Ryan : Truly.
Anthony: Isn't there like ah like a random, like there's a bunch of emergency workers that come running by in the one seat and it's because the kid got stuck in the escalator?
Ryan : Yes.
Shauna (she/her): Yes. So yeah, in in a callback, like, help, there's a kid stuck on the escalator.
Anthony: Yeah, yeah, like they just totally throw it away in the background.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah, it's just a great, like...
Ryan : Yep.
Anthony: Yeah, so good.
Ryan : So good. um So...
Shauna (she/her): And then they also go and meet Stan Lee. and Because that's when they meet Stan Lee.
Ryan : Oh, we cannot forget that. We cannot forget that. So they go back to the mall and ah ah Brody um is like...
Ryan : You know, he he realized that Ivana, the topless fortune teller, was right and that he is suffering, but he doesn't really know what to do about it because he's fucking, you know, a dumb boy with no sort of understanding of how to talk to other people or about his feelings.
Ryan : And so out of nowhere, pop Stan Lee, who gives him this wonderful sage advice about, you know, like. we not regretting your chances or like, you know, taking taking another chance on somebody and how it's a huge regret of his.
Shauna (she/her): Thank you.
Ryan : um And that sort of inspires Brody to participate in the shenanigans to get their girlfriends back at the end of the movie. But in particular, um something that I noticed with the Stan Lee ah part is he never really engages in any of the dirty talk. He just kind of like politely sidesteps it.
Ryan : And I just thought that that was really interesting. Like when he says something, he asks about Mr. Fantastic and if everything can stretch. ah Stanley's response is, we never really tackled that back in the day.
Ryan : And then just keeps it moving. I'm like, there are some politicians that need to watch this movie and see how well he just navigated that.
Shauna (she/her): right
Ryan : Because it was a great answer. And it just kept it pushing. And then he said the same thing about um the the thing. jason ah Brody asks about the thing. And I don't remember what Stanley's response was, but I was like, that was really delicately handled.
Ryan : And Stanley still looks old, but looks less old. And it's wild because he looks like, you know, a man that should have been retired only for us.
Shauna (she/her): o
Ryan : That's one thing that we didn't talk about at the beginning was this Stanley documentary, but Anthony.
Shauna (she/her): Oh, he died, didn't he?
Anthony: He sure did.
Ryan : Oh yeah. He's been dead for a minute. Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): No, I know, I'm just...
Ryan : Okay.
Anthony: Oh, God, i was gonna say, Shauna, come on, you're s slipping. and
Ryan : Yeah. Yep.
Anthony: What the fuck? I know that, and I don't read comic books. Like, what are you doing with your life? You got me. That was well played.
Shauna (she/her): Thank you.
Shauna (she/her): Oh, but what i did want to say though, on that note, I think it's something that when I think about why these movies, why Kevin Smith movies resonated with us, you know, like in varying degrees of closetedness, you know, in that kind of way, because they're always, even in these nerd dick and fart joke movies, there's this romantic underpinning.
Ryan : um
Shauna (she/her): There's a real romanticism there. This true, like the love of a good partner, you know, not like fighting for love is like a great message that is at the heart of both clerks.
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): And, you know, ah you know, there are a lot of fine looking women. Not all of them are bringing you lasagna at work.
Ryan : Yes.
Shauna (she/her): you know, and then to follow that up with Mallrats.
Ryan : Yes.
Shauna (she/her): And then in the third movie, Chasing Amy, you know, even like there's real romanticism to it all that I think is why Kevin Smith movies are so appealing, both back then to spoke to all of us in different ways, but then because and also now still has a lot of value and we still find meaning in them.
Ryan : Yep.
Shauna (she/her): I think it's because of that.
Ryan : Yeah. And speaking of stuff that makes you want to throw up, um we forgot to mention the... We forgot to mention how um ah Brody shits in a bag. Okay, so let's talk about the stink palm thing that he tries to do to Mr.
Anthony: Oh, do we have to?
Ryan : Svenning, where...
Shauna (she/her): I don't think he shits in the bag.
Ryan : Oh, I think he shits in the bag.
Anthony: No, he just...
Shauna (she/her): no no, no.
Ryan : He gives him a cup...
Shauna (she/her): He wipes what he does.
Anthony: He's unkempt, and so his ass is sweaty and gross, and so he shoves his hand all down in there and gets the ooze, for lack of a better term, on hand.
Shauna (she/her): because let's be honest, he probably does not wipe well, if I had to guess.
Anthony: No.
Ryan : No.
Shauna (she/her): He does not, he is not fastidious.
Anthony: And what are...
Shauna (she/her): Is not the word I would use to describe this Brody.
Ryan : When Yeah.
Anthony: What are the odds that he actually took a shower from the last time that he had sex with his girlfriend from when he went to the mall?
Shauna (she/her): Not so.
Anthony: Like, 8% chance he took a shower, so he probably was still just, like, swimming in whatever juices were.
Ryan : the He, bold to assume that she got wet. um He, so um okay, that was actually something that I noted because he said, he's like, yeah, you you can shower all you want to, but that smells never coming off.
Ryan : And like, yes, it should. um Yes, it should. Like, no matter how dirty your ass like, nothing should...
Shauna (she/her): You should try a again
Ryan : You should, you're not doing it right then, my dude. Like, if your hands are not smelly after you wash them, problem.
Anthony: No,
Ryan : And that speaks to what your ass is probably like, which is why your hand doesn't stop smelling. But no, the chocolate covered pretzels. He gives them chocolate covered pretzels. And I'm pretty sure he's shitting them.
Anthony: no because he he just shoved his gross, disgusting hand with the ooze into the chocolate-covered pretzels and like, yeah!
Ryan : but Really? Really?
Shauna (she/her): Yeah, that's that's the Secret of the Ooze from the 90s, actually, was that fit scene............................
Anthony: Yeah, it that is the secret of the ooze. Yeah. And so the chocolate-covered pretzels were just a a literary device for it to look like he was licking shit off of his fingers because he had stuck his ass hand in the pretzels.
Ryan : Oh.
Anthony: And as a chocolate-covered pretzel aficionado, like I'm going to have the ick about eating chocolate-covered pretzels for a little bit now.
Ryan : I don't know if that's...
Anthony: Thanks, small rats, for that.
Ryan : So that was my note, because um I really have... four This movie came out in 1995, so for 30 years I have really been thinking that someone shit in his chocolate-covered pretzels, and that's why he gets so sick.
Ryan : Because my note was... it also made me think of the pie in the help where she shits in that pie and gives it to the woman and makes her eat it And like the woman eats more than one piece.
Shauna (she/her): but I don't remember that.
Ryan : Yeah. Um, it's how, um, uh, fuck what's her name? Um, I want to say the character's name Hattie. No, that's the main white character. Um, it is the character played by, v Octavia Spencer.
Ryan : Um,
Shauna (she/her): Wait. Oh, wait. What movie? Oh, I thought. Wait, what movie did you say?
Ryan : Oh, the help.
Shauna (she/her): oh I thought you said a different. Oh, I thought I heard a different movie completely. Okay. Nevermind.
Ryan : the help The Help is a classic white savior book film, but there is a scene where a formerly employed
Shauna (she/her): like yeah like
Ryan : um ah black housemaid feeds her for previous white boss ah a pie, but it's got her shit in it. She took a shit in a pie and and this woman like happily eats a piece and then happily eats a second piece.
Ryan : So I, my note was like, how do people eat shit stuff in, even in fictional media and not be like, wow, this tastes like shit. Like did, did she add awa a lot of shit? Like, okay. So that mystery is solved. He did not shit in the chocolate covered pretzels.
Ryan : I feel not any better about it, but I do feel more informed. I do feel more informed.
Shauna (she/her): That's valid.
Ryan : Um, The other note that I had around that area is when Jay and Silent Bob take down... Who do they... Do they...
Ryan : They knock somebody out after they smoke those boys out.
Anthony: Well, Jay bludgeons LaForge with an aluminum baseball bat, just casually.
Shauna (she/her): him too. yeah
Ryan : Yes.
Anthony: Like, no one has anything to say about the fact that he just bludgeoned a man unconscious. Where do you get the baseball bat from? Is he just walking around the mall with an aluminum baseball bat? Did he go to the sporting goods store and, like, shoplift the aluminum baseball bat?
Ryan : Yeah, that's why...
Shauna (she/her): Hmm.
Ryan : Silent Bob's got a long trench coat.
Anthony: I have a lot of questions about this baseball bat. Yeah.
Ryan : um But at the after he hits the fours over the head, he says, kneel before Zod.
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : And i was like, oh, it's so nice to finally understand that reference. Like, I didn't i didn't get it until, you know, I watched it now as a bigger nerd. But um yeah, so all this chaos transpires and they go onto the show.
Shauna (she/her): a
Ryan : Here's Toad, everybody. Um, they go onto the show.
Shauna (she/her): God.
Ryan : Yeah. I can big give it. Um, and really don't do anything that makes them worthwhile to get back with. I do not. He basically attacks Brandy for her choices and like airs all of their shit out.
Ryan : And then Jason Lee acts like a fucking turd. Brody acts like a turd. And Shannon Doherty is like, that's my turd. What?
Shauna (she/her): Yeah, well...
Ryan : That part of the movie I just wrote, these guys suck. Like they're not good people.
Anthony: one So I wrote this down and I had a question I wanted to ask you guys about this movie. And I feel like this is a great segue. ah
Ryan : Yes.
Anthony: If this movie was made in 2025, Brody would just be an incel, right? And like this plot wouldn't even happen.
Ryan : Yeah. Correct. He wouldn't have a girlfriend to begin with.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah, know no, but these nerds don't exist in this way anymore in the same kind of ways because I think that the spaces are so changed that either you would not have those kind of behaviors, reactions, or you would...
Ryan : Well...
Anthony: right.
Shauna (she/her): like the The equation is just different because the like... But maybe that's just part and parcel of how...
Ryan : I don't know.
Shauna (she/her): our culture is so put people into boxes that maybe there is like a way out. Maybe we can find the affableness in their shenanigans and it doesn't have to be so incel-y, but I don't know.
Ryan : So toxic. I don't know, because the anger that Jason has, the anger that Brody has towards his ex-girlfriend for basically wanting to be treated like a partner and, like, the way that he behaves, my, like, he sucks.
Shauna (she/her): How the fuck do you say that? Like,
Ryan : He's not a good boyfriend. Like, it is, it does very much so remind me, like, of just how, especially in heterosexual couples, like, there's this normalized, like,
Ryan : oh, it's okay for, you know, these people to hate each other. Like, you know, I think about these like suburban women who are like married and just miserable.
Ryan : And these like, they clearly don't like each other anymore. And that's who Meghan Trainor makes music for, by the way. I've already, I've recently come out and said, I don't like Meghan Trainor because she makes music for um straight women that hate their husbands.
Shauna (she/her): Thank
Anthony: you
Ryan : um But yeah, So the the anyways, the thing that I was trying to get at around like being in the the incel of it all, like it it it felt very like this was kind of normalized in the 90s or like prior to, you know, sort of a maybe a larger um social shift around how couples are supposed to treat each other.
Ryan : But Brody would have like a YouTube channel where he talks about the one girlfriend he's had and how it lasted, you know, three weeks because he wouldn't wash his ass or take her in public in the daytime and or at nighttime.
Ryan : um But like I ah he would totally be an insult. He would totally be an incel. That's the vibe that he gives in Mallrats.
Shauna (she/her): right
Anthony: I thought so.
Shauna (she/her): Living in one's parents' basement has absolutely, like, it went from, not that it was ever endearing, but I think it went from this, like, oh, well, it's harmless to ah real negative in the next decade after this movie.
Shauna (she/her): Like, and especially, like, that is an interesting change, though.
Anthony: were
Anthony: Brody would have an extensive posting history on 4chan. I think that's accurate to say.
Ryan : Yeah, yeah, 100%.
Anthony: Like that would definitely be like the vibe of that human being in like this era. He would be that guy for sure.
Ryan : Yeah. because he Because there are a lot of...
Anthony: lot of Pepe saved his computer.
Ryan : There's yeah there's a...
Anthony: And Wojax.
Ryan : um like the honest but um Strictly uses VPNs, never gets on public Wi-Fi, never.
Anthony: Oh, absolutely.
Shauna (she/her): Eric Bischoffer, he.
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : um Yeah, he he does remind me of like a specific archetype of of men, of specifically straight men. And obviously, you know that archetype is kind of like incels. But like before...
Ryan : um and Maybe message boards, maybe like the ability to connect with other people who are also experiencing similar things... like, bred that incel culture of, like, oh, you experienced this too, you experienced this too, it must be the women that are the problem in this situation.
Ryan : But, like, the Brody-TS dynamic, like, TS is at least, like, in a normal conflict with, well, normal, in, like, a somewhat normal conflict with his girlfriend and just handles it really poorly.
Ryan : Brody is wrong and stubborn and mean to her and then, like, you know, publicly airs all their shit too. So anyways, I just, neither of them are good guys and it's just wild that this worked.
Ryan : And it also kind of shows like, you know, the, the growth perhaps of Kevin Smith that like he would have made them the romantic archetypes at a point. Like, I don't think Kevin Smith would highlight that type of behavior in movies or media now.
Ryan : Like, I don't think he would make them endearing the way that they, we were endeared to them before.
Shauna (she/her): Hmm.
Anthony: Yeah.
Anthony: Sure. I mean, yeah, he even went out of his way to have a specific scene where Gwen is talking to Brandy about how if she doesn't get her act together and get back together with TS, who's just such a super stud, like, maybe I'll go back after, you know what I mean?
Shauna (she/her): o
Ryan : Yes.
Anthony: Like, oh, he's such a catch, you know what I mean?
Ryan : Yes. He's such a catch.
Anthony: Like, is he though? Is he really right? Like,
Ryan : Right.
Anthony: Are you guys not just going to like have these same arguments again, six months from now when he's not like listening to you or being attentive to your feelings and shit? Like, i don't know. That's just me.
Ryan : Yeah, correct. Correct. um So, you know, we do switch protagonists from Brody and TS in Mallrats into Jane Silent Bob, where they are the sole protagonists.
Ryan : Well, they're not the sole protagonists, but they are the primary protagonists and now step into the forefront, which for as much as I, i do have a lot of like love and nostalgia for Mallrats, Jane Silent Bob like was next level sort of like I was older. I got the jokes more.
Ryan : I was in that like time of those jokes being very funny.
Shauna (she/her): o
Ryan : Like when fucking Chrissy or whatever farts at the end of that laser maze thing, that was like, Oh my God, a hot girl farting.
Shauna (she/her): Oh my god
Ryan : That's the funniest thing I've ever seen in my whole life.
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : Like that was peak cinema for that period.
Shauna (she/her): Wait
Anthony: chekhov Chekhov's fart when he tells her at movies that if she eats that shit, it's going to make her fart. And then she farts.
Ryan : Yup.
Anthony: Yep.
Ryan : Yup.
Anthony: I wrote down Chekhov's fart.
Ryan : And she yells, that stoner nerd was right.
Shauna (she/her): but wait
Anthony: I was so proud of myself. Yeah, that stoner.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: God damn it. That stoner.
Ryan : Kind of picking up on the last little bit before we wrap the movie, are there any other... I'm saying this like of a leading question because there's absolutely another part that I want to talk about, and that was the schooner sailboat. but um So let's jump there and then see what other things that you all thought about. But um that... First of all, I'm pretty sure I saw a... What is it called? Magic Eye?
Ryan : Is that what it... Like...
Anthony: Mm-hmm.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah, Magic Eye.
Ryan : I'm pretty sure there's one in Beachwood mall. Like I'm pretty sure I saw one today um while I was shopping.
Shauna (she/her): And same I've never been able to see Magic Eye. Ethan Supley's character is very relatable. I've never i've never seen the sailboat, and i feel like i'm missing out, but is what it is.
Ryan : Very.
Ryan : Oh, I also.
Anthony: So this just made me think of something. What if you, as an adult, like got a magic eye now and hung it in your house as just like art? Like, wouldn't people be like, oh, fuck, that's a magic eye.
Anthony: And then you just have like eight people at your house party, like staring at the magic eye on your wall, trying to figure it out.
Ryan : Yeah.
Ryan : Wow, Anthony, it sounds like you've got some good.
Shauna (she/her): And it's going to be of a sailboat. I think that's going to be what it is.
Ryan : but Yeah.
Anthony: Oh, and if it was a sailboat. Oh my God. If it was a sailboat, that'd be so based.
Shauna (she/her): That's the choice.
Anthony: Yes, absolutely. That'd be such a great like little trinket for your, like a room in your house.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: That's so good.
Ryan : Yep.
Anthony: There you go.
Ryan : And for.
Shauna (she/her): That's...
Anthony: Someone, someone out there, one of the 20 people who are watching or listening, you could steal that.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: You're welcome. I do possess some aesthetic sense.
Ryan : Also, I know what to get you for your birthday now.
Anthony: Thank you. Oh my heaven.
Ryan : remember note to self.
Anthony: Yes, I would. Yes, please do. Cause I will forget by October.
Ryan : Also, both of you are Libras. Unrelated.
Shauna (she/her): Oh shit. Wait.
Anthony: ah Oh, shit, indeed.
Ryan : Okay, um, so the schooner sailboat, that Ethan character is a fucking gem, and he always kind of plays, like, the... I mean, I, i like, just have to say what it is. Like, he always kind of plays, like, the dummy trope.
Ryan : Like, he's on My Name is Earl, too, right? And he plays, like, um...
Shauna (she/her): He is with Jason Lee.
Ryan : with Jason Lee.
Anthony: And he's a, isn't he one of the offensive linemen and remember the Titans, but he's like, but like, like the coach has to like help him pass school so he can keep playing football.
Shauna (she/her): Mm-hmm.
Ryan : Yes.
Anthony: Like he has, yeah, he's like the ogre idiot with a heart of gold character, like and everything.
Shauna (she/her): He
Shauna (she/her): Ah.
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): But the role I knew him first was as the best friend to the bully in Boy Meets World.
Ryan : Bless his heart.
Ryan : Oh yeah, 100%.
Shauna (she/her): Because he was Harvey's friend.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah. Oh, my gosh. but Boy Meets World. Ugh.
Anthony: I liked how they used, like, the mustard stains all over.
Ryan : The...
Anthony: Like, he had been there so long. Like, he, like, didn't even... He was so fixated that he didn't even, like, change his clothes. He was just, like, filthy and just, like, standing there. Imagine the smell as he's, like, standing at the magic I took it as the homie was just...
Ryan : i
Ryan : I really... really was not certain if that was supposed to be like the design of a shirt or if it was supposed to be stains. And I... thank i was
Shauna (she/her): I think it was despondent, dazed staring.
Anthony: Yeah. Yeah.
Ryan : I've seen a lot of that. Right.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah. But yeah, the phrase, a schooner is a sailboat's stupid head, has lived in my head rent-free ever since the first time I saw that movie.
Ryan : And the way that they...
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : 1,000% also how I learned what a schooner is. I would never have any other understanding of the word schooner because, you know, that that nice young man told that character that a schooner is a sailboat.
Shauna (she/her): It's why I know callow means frightened and weak-willed, because that was one of my favorite parts.
Ryan : You dummy. Stupid man.
Ryan : Oh shit, that's true.
Anthony: Yeah, she did she did call me Calo. He thought that was a compliment. Yeah, that's that's really ah was funny.
Ryan : I thought that was the one nice part of the letter. Hell yeah. um Yeah, the I loved how they tied that to the using the force thing with Silent Bob. Like, what ah what a lovely little nod to, like, again, a part that was kind of prevalent in the movie earlier. Like, i I love that kind of, like, self-referential humor. Like, obviously that one was pretty easily baked in But, like, it it's really funny that he gets to use the Jedi mind trick all because this disgruntled man couldn't see the fucking schooner in the magic eye.
Ryan : Like, hell yeah. The circle of life, baby.
Anthony: Yep.
Ryan : Mm-mm.
Anthony: Yep, he he didn't leave any loose ends. Whatever he was smoking and when he was writing that script, and he was like, oh he can come fucking hit the the support for the stage and make him pull the Jedi mind trick off.
Ryan : Yes. Yes.
Anthony: like
Shauna (she/her): and then it leads to the Kevin Smith line the the one silent Bob line of the episode of adventure excitement a Jedi craves not these things just it's that's just so good
Anthony: Very good.
Anthony: Nails it.
Ryan : I really... sorry
Ryan : I really love... Like, Kevin Smith is ah ah kevin Kevin Smith is a handsome man. Seeing him as an adult in my 30s and realized they had to like style him to be kind of unattractive, like I think Kevin Smith in his early 20s is a hottie. I've always also been like weirdly attracted to Jay, too.
Ryan : um
Shauna (she/her): Hmm.
Ryan : But I think that's just you know ah that's just something for me to work through. But ah Silent Bob is, or Kevin Smith specifically, is I've always thought he was a hunk.
Anthony: does Does Jay just radiate I can fix him energy for you, Ryan?
Ryan : Probably. probably Wow, Anthony. Right from my fucking throat on my podcast?
Anthony: Hey, man.
Ryan : Wow.
Anthony: Hey, man. If you're going invite people with this kind of history, you're you got to be ready to play these kind of fucking games, my friend.
Ryan : Damn.
Ryan : Clocked.
Anthony: Like, here we are.
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): Angie, bust not miss.
Ryan : Yep.
Shauna (she/her): And that hit.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: Yup.
Ryan : Wow.
Anthony: Yup.
Ryan : my My cheeks are actually turning red because that was such a good fucking read. That was such good fucking read, too. Yeah, of course. I can tolerate that behavior and definitely improve it. It's very... What did I say earlier? He's very fixable. He's very teachable.
Shauna (she/her): A bit of a fixer-upper.
Ryan : He responds well.
Shauna (she/her): and and
Ryan : Yep.
Anthony: He's got a couple of flaws.
Ryan : Yep.
Anthony: That's awesome.
Ryan : what What is this song that you both are also referencing to?
Anthony: Oh, because we have young children.
Shauna (she/her): Frozen.
Anthony: That's from Frozen.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : oh got it.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Ryan : Okay, got it. Got it. I was what the fuck, you guys?
Shauna (she/her): ah
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : Okay, so what else for Mallrats?
Anthony: Oh.
Ryan : Any other thoughts?
Anthony: ah Yeah, I'll take one. um I just had, ah I was very, very, very laughing hysterically at the scene when Jay and Silent Bob beat the shit out of the Easter Bunny because they they they someone told them that the Easter Bunny was who had, I don't remember, the Easter Bunny had wronged them in some way, but so the Jay and Silent Bob got their vengeance on him.
Ryan : Yes.
Ryan : Roughed him up.
Shauna (she/her): and
Shauna (she/her): And the little girl was just struck.
Anthony: Yeah, so what I wrote...
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: that Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): oh
Anthony: Yeah, the... I just... I made a note for myself that my daughter would be the terror-struck little girl, like, traumatized by the Easter Bunny being molested, but my son would absolutely be one of the kids that ran in there just, like, flying body slam and, like, dogpile the Easter Bunny.
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : 100%. 100%. He's like... 100%.
Anthony: Like, I just...
Ryan : Yeah, your son would fully be like, this is being encouraged?
Anthony: Yeah, my dad brain was like, oh, yeah, that's my one kid and that's my other kid. Like, there they are in that scene. Yeah.
Ryan : Here I go.
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : Here go. Yeah. Yeah. your son would fully be like oh so this is being encouraged but here i go
Shauna (she/her): Well,
Anthony: Yeah. Yeah. He definitely just lying cross body block on the Easter bunny while he's laying on the ground there.
Ryan : here i go
Anthony: No regard for human life.
Ryan : yeah
Anthony: Absolutely.
Shauna (she/her): well So I think my after, because somehow these shenanigans lead to them getting back together with the girls.
Ryan : Yes, again, how?
Shauna (she/her): Because, you know, of course they did. And, you know, we find out, you T.S.' 's big plan. He's going to propose when Jaws pops out the water. And I mean, you know what?
Shauna (she/her): That is real romantic. You know, I'd credit where credit's due. I'm like, good for you.
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): You've got a plan and you can do worse with it. And you know what? Even this plan was bad. But having a plan is better than no plan at all.
Ryan : True. And the thing that I think is kind of... And, and you know, maybe there's more... So, we learn that plan at the beginning of the movie, but he never tells Brandy that. He only tells um ah Brody that.
Ryan : But... he keeps encountering these people throughout the day who know somehow that he was going to propose at Universal Studios, specifically when Jaws pops out.
Ryan : And so like someone is talking, there's, you know, there's this messenger that's passing around and everyone's giving him a hard time for it. But then on the actual dating show, you know, when they,
Anthony: Thank you.
Ryan : when he chooses to propose, which was, you know, again, smart in the moment, spontaneous, he took Ivana, the topless fortune tellers advice as one should and proposed to her on the spot. And then they get married on the, uh, jaws ride.
Ryan : And, when I was watching it back, like I had forgot, I just, you know, there's a bunch that I had just forgotten about when they show them at the end, standing there, like, you know, the kiss the bride moment.
Ryan : I was like, it struck me like one second before the Jaws, ah before Jaws pops out that like, oh my God, they were getting married on the Jaws thing.
Ryan : And then Jaws popped out. It was a really good, like, I'm so glad that I forgot about that moment until just that point. Cause it's a great,
Shauna (she/her): I love that.
Ryan : It's a great little button on it.
Anthony: Yeah, the epilogue is good.
Shauna (she/her): You know, and I love the flash forward, too, where, you know, Brody's hosting the Tonight Show because he is very funny in an irreverent way, and i'm like, you know what, that's fair, good for you.
Anthony: Hmm.
Ryan : Yes.
Ryan : Of course.
Shauna (she/her): And, you know, the song Suzanne by Weezer's playing, you know, with, I love the great, as a big Guns N' Roses fan in high school, i love the, where they name drop Izzy Slash and Axl Rose when you call I Put Them All on Hold.
Ryan : Where did they drop that?
Anthony: Ha ha.
Shauna (she/her): It's Alight and Suzanne.
Ryan : I don't know.
Shauna (she/her): Even Izzy slash an Axl Rose.
Ryan : oh
Shauna (she/her): When you call, I put them all on hold. Yeah.
Ryan : yep got it okay I definitely again Shauna pays attention to the soundtrack
Anthony: yeah
Shauna (she/her): See, that's, again, the...
Anthony: like
Anthony: No, see that? Actually, not Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): I do. And Moritz is a bop. Like, it's a heck of a soundtrack.
Ryan : yeah
Anthony: It is.
Shauna (she/her): Silverchair...
Anthony: No, I made a note. It was actually during Jay and Son and Bob, but it is absolutely applicable to every Kevin Smith movie. His taste in like his music so and when he needle drops things just kills it.
Anthony: It's very ah very, very, very...
Ryan : yeah
Shauna (she/her): Absolutely.
Anthony: ah While I was re-watching them this week, like I had a whole different appreciation for just how good the music in the movies are. When he needle drops shit, I'm like, yeah, I get it. ah super into it.
Ryan : so yeah i you know there were perhaps because none of those songs were of my of my oeuvre i i couldn't have the appropriate um appreciation for them um
Anthony: So I'm glad you saw that.
Shauna (she/her): Absolutely.
Anthony: You noticed that as well, Shauna.
Ryan : Yeah, any any last minute, any other other thoughts on the movies? On Mall Run specifically?
Shauna (she/her): Well, just as we see Silent Bob carrying out the, you know, orangutan named Suzanne at the end of the movie, we are going to carry forth our momentum from this episode into our next episode, where we too, as we go off into the sunset, we are then going to then be seen later in Jayon Silent Bob Strikes Back.
Anthony: So and who who is Jay and who is Silent Bob and who is Suzanne in this trio here?
Ryan : That's correct.
Ryan : Anthony, I hate that you said that because I was already thinking in my head. And of course, I was like, well, Sean is Jay because long hair and you're Silent Bob because you're Silent Bob.
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : I'm not going to be the monkey. That's too racially charged.
Anthony: yeah yeah That's why I asked.
Shauna (she/her): Nope.
Ryan : It can't happen.
Shauna (she/her): Nope.
Anthony: I was like, we can't just do that to Ryan because we we need to be like culturally sensitive and and like, you know, not awful.
Shauna (she/her): Nope.
Ryan : You have to be the monkey. Yes.
Ryan : Yes.
Anthony: And so we can't do that to Ryan.
Ryan : I'm not going to be the monkey.
Anthony: Yeah, I'll be Suzanne.
Ryan : No.
Shauna (she/her): Well... Yeah, like like like a Brody...
Ryan : I'll be signing on Bob.
Shauna (she/her): You're a Brody who doesn't suck. I think that's the answer.
Ryan : Sure.
Shauna (she/her): is the in the As the actual...
Ryan : Yeah, sure. I'm not. that No one's the monkey.
Shauna (she/her): But... Well, no, yeah, I think let's just go ahead and safely say that.
Ryan : Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Ryan : Yeah. Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): The, like...
Ryan : Except though, I think really in theory, when when i like think about it in a giggly way, like Anthony and I have always kind of been like Jay and Silent Bob. like I was kind of the louder of, well, no, not volume wise.
Ryan : Anthony has always been like louder than me, but as loud as me.
Anthony: accurate
Ryan : But like of the two of us socially, I think you know I was a little more,
Ryan : so he was never like the quiet one but of those two archetypes i definitely think i'm j anthony is silent bob so shauna you're suzanne
Anthony: bri Ryan warms up to strangers faster than I do.
Shauna (she/her): okay
Anthony: So there are certain social situations where I am the silent Bob kind of reading things out before i get in. And Ryan's just like, hey, what's the fuck's up?
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: like Charisma, let's be friends.
Ryan : Yeah. Yeah.
Anthony: And so yeah that then and also in my like you know past heftier years when I definitely had more of the body type of a silent Bob,
Ryan : Uniqueness, nerve, and...
Anthony: like Lunchbox, tons of fun, very routine nicknames that my friends, yeah, one like Jake Harigel, even like into our 20s, would call me Lunchbox and tons of fun routinely.
Ryan : Yeah, we do... Yeah, Lunchbox was a nickname for a while.
Anthony: so ah
Ryan : No.
Anthony: And now I'm in better shape than him.
Ryan : no
Anthony: So bag of dicks, Jake.
Ryan : ah
Anthony: There we go. I am now a hot nerd.
Ryan : And also, Kevin...
Anthony: I was just a nerd. Now I am a hot nerd. So there you go.
Ryan : Kevin Smith is also super trim now, too. So, you know, it works.
Anthony: He is. Yeah, good. Yeah, he looks great. I'm happy for him.
Ryan : Um... Yeah, so we're going to pick up and Silent Bob Strike Back in part two of our Jay and Silent Bob-themed episodes in the View-esque universe.
Ryan : um Who knew that we would have literally so much shit to talk about these movies? um
Anthony: you guys brought a certified yapper on your podcast and then you were shocked that it was an hour and 45 minutes just talking about one movie.
Ryan : But again,
Anthony: I mean, here we are.
Ryan : I'm proud.
Shauna (she/her): ah
Ryan : um Yeah, go ahead, John.
Shauna (she/her): Kevin Smith speaks to monologues. It's kind of the it's part and parcel.
Anthony: It's that is much a good take, Shawna.
Ryan : It's like... I
Anthony: Well done.
Ryan : i was talking about it. um There is a drag queen on Drag Race this season named Susie Toot who I don't particularly like. I don't like her drag.
Shauna (she/her): your favorite
Ryan : someone Notoriously my favorite. um
Shauna (she/her): but
Ryan : I don't particularly like her drag because I think it's bad. um But I also find her to be irritating because she is quite self-important and I have to only...
Ryan : be able to acknowledge that I am very much ah like I'm annoyed by her because I would probably, you know, be perceived by her, but as the same way as her, just like I said, this ah script is verbose and obviously, you know, it takes one to know when you fucking yapper.
Ryan : So on that note, let's get to these final parts of the, the episode, which are our fate, some of our favorite questions.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah.
Ryan : Yeah. The first of which being who is the hottest character in Mallrats? And this is actually a hard one because we have had some ones where it was like not hard. This is actually kind of hard.
Shauna (she/her): Yeah, because Shannon Doherty is hot as hell.
Ryan : Shauna, please.
Shauna (she/her): I honestly, i will always, always, always have a very soft spot and a real attraction to Jenny, to um Joey Lauren Adams. I think she is just, you know, I mean, and let's honest, we get this, like, again, when you think of, like, oh, the things, you get to see her, like, oh my gosh, like like, that was, like, one of those, like, moments that, like, I remember, like,
Ryan : Mm. Go on one.
Ryan : You get to see tits.
Shauna (she/her): seeing on AOL, like, waiting for it to load, like, well, like, that, like, one of the, like, God, that's dating myself in all sorts of ways, but that, like, that's the, but that was the kind of like, the back then internet, yeah.
Ryan : Yeah, no.
Anthony: yeah the chi You some hoops when you were already teenagers to see some titties on the internet. Now it's like, boom, instant.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: You know you' had to wait for that shit to load.
Ryan : Load.
Anthony: Yeah.
Shauna (she/her): Oh, yeah.
Ryan : I was just thinking, imagine waiting for one single picture to load. Just one picture.
Anthony: Yep.
Ryan : Now I'm like, a website takes more than 30 seconds to load all of its content, and I'm like, what the fuck?
Anthony: visit
Shauna (she/her): And you know now there's just gooning, which is in many ways just waiting to load.
Ryan : SHAUNA!
Anthony: and
Anthony: ah
Ryan : You are fucking wild.
Anthony: Shut it down!
Ryan : Oh my god. ah
Anthony: Oh, can we, can we like soundboarded some air horns right now?
Ryan : Yeah, and ah wait, I think I can do at least...
Shauna (she/her): and
Ryan : Wait.
Anthony: Oh, yeah.
Ryan : man.
Anthony: That's the line of the episode. We've arrived.
Ryan : Oh man.
Anthony: Fucking killer.
Ryan : I haven't been using this. This is our 18th episode of this is our 18th episode of this show and I have yet to use.
Anthony: Good try, good try.
Shauna (she/her): yeah
Anthony: Yeah, you have a soundboard.
Ryan : I'm going to be so annoying.
Shauna (she/her): Oh what terrible...
Anthony: Flux that, dude. You have a power for great good with that soundboard and great evil.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: Like, you, yeah, you hold the power.
Ryan : Uh oh. Uh
Shauna (she/her): Yeah. Pandora's box has been opened. Funny sounds came out.
Anthony: Oh, man. But add some air horn to it for sure.
Ryan : oh.
Ryan : Anthony, who do you think is the hottest person in Mallrats?
Anthony: Shauna stole my thunder. but It was not hard for me. Gwyn, final answer. Next question.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: Smoke show.
Ryan : Yeah. Super, super hottie.
Anthony: I mean, no notes. Yeah.
Ryan : Um, Shannon Doherty is, I've been in love with Shannon Doherty since I was a kid. Like I'm obsessed with her. I'm obsessed with her in this movie. I'm obsessed with her but specifically.
Ryan : um actually no, all of her outfits are cute. Like the way that her little boots scoot out of the window when she's sneaking out of, um, Brody's basement room. um But at the end, when she becomes the lead of the band for The Tonight Show alongside Brody, she's wearing this like oversized black suit jacket with like a black bandeau top.
Ryan : And I didn't notice it until just this previous viewing. She's wearing like a super long skirt with like a huge slit up up the side and you can see her leg
Shauna (she/her): o
Ryan : You want to talk about no notes.
Shauna (she/her): Oh. I love that.
Ryan : You want to talk about no notes. Miss Doherty, let the girls breathe. Let the girls breathe. Justice for Shannon Doherty. RIP Shannon Doherty. We miss you. yeah um Okay.
Ryan : um And anything nerdy that we're looking forward to? What are we what are we hype about?
Anthony: Actually, while we were on break, Shauna and I were nerding out about the pending early access release of Slay the Spire 2. So nerds out there, if you respect any of Shauna or mine's opinions on anything, especially related to gaming...
Shauna (she/her): Very excited.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: Go buy yourself Slay the Spire 1 right the fuck now.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: You can get it on your phone. It's on every console. You have no excuses. It's an indie game. It's made by two people that are just like regular ass dudes who made one of the most fun and addicting games that you will ever play in your life.
Anthony: And um the next one is coming out this year sometime, TBD. And oh my fucking god. Yeah. So excited. So I'm like... rushing through Baldur's Gate trying to finish it because I have to because any self-respecting nerd needs to play that game as well and I haven't finished it yet but um once yeah I'm trying to plow through it and get my Baldur's Gate out of my system because once Slay the Spire 2 comes out I'm just I'm not leaving the house it's gonna be a struggle for real
Ryan : yeah
Ryan : I definitely am now convinced that I need to download Slay the Spire because, again, I do value both of your opinions and Anthony really just hit it home.
Anthony: one of us one of us one of us
Shauna (she/her): It's fun math.
Anthony: It is.
Shauna (she/her): It's the good, like, no, but it's the good, like, no, but it's the good.
Ryan : Oh, Shauna just killed it.
Shauna (she/her): no damn it.
Anthony: it's ah It's a puzzle game, dude.
Shauna (she/her): It's the good stuff. Like, it's the, yeah, it's a puzzle game.
Anthony: it's yeah It's strategy.
Shauna (she/her): That's the way
Anthony: It's a big puzzle you have to solve with your cards. and it's ah yeah Infinite replayability.
Shauna (she/her): I hate math.
Anthony: It's so good.
Shauna (she/her): Like, I've never felt like I've been good at math, but I love card game math.
Ryan : Bimbo. Bimbo.
Shauna (she/her): Like, I think that is such and much ah so different.
Ryan : Mm-hmm.
Shauna (she/her): Like...
Ryan : Yeah, I can see that. I can fuck with that.
Anthony: Yeah. i So... Nerds out there, you're welcome.
Ryan : um
Ryan : The other thing i was trying to Google, I feel like we have more um more nerd shit coming soon to be excited about. Oh, no, Fantastic Four is not until July.
Ryan : But I feel like there's something else that's coming out before like daredevil is finishing what's the next marvel project um thunderbolts is in may i guess i'm excited for that we'll be recording before that you know what i'm looking forward to going to miami this weekend with um our special guest hot nerd because i desperately need to get out of shitty cold weather and into a
Shauna (she/her): like yours too
Shauna (she/her): o
Ryan : bathing suit and a cocktail because that sounds delightful.
Anthony: Hell yeah, fuck yeah.
Shauna (she/her): I want that for you too.
Ryan : any
Anthony: Yeah, we're going to be...
Ryan : Thank you.
Anthony: My older brother is getting married next weekend, finally.
Ryan : e
Anthony: And they are doing a destination wedding in Miami.
Ryan : Literally.
Anthony: So Ryan and I will be peak hot nerd. Like, yeah.
Ryan : Peacock nerd.
Anthony: Really, really strutting our stuff.
Ryan : yeah get Get ready. Get ready. Yeah, my pants are tight. I'll definitely be showing my stuff. um Shauna, is there is there...
Anthony: Attaboy. Get it.
Ryan : Wait, hold on.
Shauna (she/her): have nothing to add to that.
Ryan : Hold on. Hold on.
Shauna (she/her): that That's the...
Anthony: ryan Ryan and I will both be on the hunt for cocktail waitresses, but not the same one. So it should work out really good.
Ryan : Correct. Correct. Yeah. you know And we we we um we play off each other quite well, so the possibilities are endless.
Anthony: There you go. Dynamic duo. Although, yeah, we'll have to see. Shots will be shot.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: How successful they are. TBD.
Ryan : Yeah. We'll see. Okay, well, um thanks for joining us on this episode of Real Hot Nerd Shit. You can follow us on Instagram at RealHotNerdPod, and you can follow Shauna and i on Blue Sky at Helen Pastels and at Intuitive Blurred.
Ryan : Anthony doesn't do social media and hasn't forever, and you're the smartest person I know for that. So, good.
Anthony: I'm a ghost. Can't find me. Poof.
Ryan : you Trust me, you don't want to be there.
Anthony: Gone.
Ryan : it's it's all it's There's nothing good except for porn.
Anthony: But yeah, like i had to like I had to give my bona fides because if somebody was like, oh man, this guy Anthony on Ryan and Shauna's podcast sounds so fucking cool. I need to know more about him desperately.
Anthony: His cameo appearances.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: Like, what a guy. And then they go try to look me up on the internets and it's like, you know, oh, there's like two pictures that don't even have him in them from 2006.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: Like, is he a bot? Is he real? Is Ryan's like Ryan? lu So yes, I do exist. Just not in a... In those spaces.
Ryan : not in the socials and all of good choice.
Anthony: Not for me. Hard pass. I'm not that interesting. Like, who needs more straight white guys talking about straight white guy stuff? Like, at capacity.
Shauna (she/her): I was just thinking that's what the culture really calls for i think when in doubt not not enough is being said yeah
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : Yeah.
Anthony: Like, yeah. What about this straight white man's opinion about things, people?
Ryan : And.
Anthony: Like, you know, I have i think thoughts about things, too.
Shauna (she/her): More space.
Anthony: You know. But no one gives a fuck.
Ryan : Right. Get into it. Um,
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : Although they're I'm certain that i I have done my best to scour the ah the Facebook wasteland of photo albums, but I was a really annoying picture taker up until about still to this day, but less so now. But um So there are a lot of pictures of me and Anthony extremely drunk in Athens, Ohio, over the course of four years that I'm not going lie to you, Anthony, I was tempted to find one of them to use for a promo image.
Anthony: um
Ryan : um But I'm not going to do that to either of us.
Anthony: Thank you. i Yeah, if you could go ahead and nuke from orbit all traces of my affliction shirt phase from freshman year and sophomore year of college, that would be... A real solid homie move.
Anthony: Amongst a lot of the real solid homie moves that you have done and will do continue to do for me. That one? Like, yeah, let's nuke that from orbit. I don't... That doesn't need to see the light of day.
Anthony: Please.
Ryan : It was really strong.
Anthony: My children need to respect me.
Ryan : the Holy shit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that, I know... In your defense, the specific picture that i know that you were talking about, we are both wearing those style shirts because it was a Jersey Shore-themed party, because it was the year 2009. However...
Anthony: I know, but I'd lord them unironically, and that's the problem.
Ryan : however You did. Correct. Correct.
Anthony: Yes, that is problematic.
Ryan : Correct. That picture is not an appropriate capture of your genuine use of affliction.
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : But, you know, again.
Anthony: Although, that one particular shirt had the ring race on it from the Lord of the Rings. So it was actually nerdy as fuck, but it was also an Affliction shirt.
Ryan : Work.
Anthony: So it's like...
Ryan : Work.
Anthony: Yeah.
Ryan : You know.
Anthony: Still does not pass. It does not pass.
Ryan : That's all right. There's plenty of time. right, gang. Thanks so much for joining us. um We will see you in part Peace out. sir
