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25: Shang Chi & the Legend of the 10 Rings with Micah
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And just like that, we hit 25 episodes! Special guest Hot Nerd Micah joins us to recap and review Shang Chi & the Legend of the 10 Bangles!
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Transcript
Introduction to the Podcast
00:00:29
Ryan
Welcome to Real Hot Nerd Shit, a pop culture podcast where real hot nerds talk about real nerd shit. I am your host, Ryan.
00:00:38
Shauna (she/her)
And I'm your co-host, Shauna.
00:00:40
Ryan
And on this episode of Real Hot Nerd Shit, we'll be talking about Shang-Chi, the Legend of the Ten Rings, in our Marvel Phase 4 rewatch.
Meet Special Guest Micah
00:00:49
Shauna (she/her)
And we've got a special guest host this week, a former Clevelander who we knew from our time playing sports together. Everyone welcome Micah.
00:00:57
Ryan
Woo!
00:00:58
Micah
Oh, hello. Oh, thank you.
00:01:00
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, and shout
00:01:02
Ryan
Wait,
00:01:04
Shauna (she/her)
out. Clap for Micah, clap for gay sports. All wins here.
00:01:07
Ryan
you never played D.Va.
00:01:08
Micah
Clap for knowing everybody who played gay sports but not playing one yourself.
00:01:09
Ryan
She was. first time
00:01:14
Ryan
met you, or the you was at
00:01:16
Micah
Not once.
00:01:17
Shauna (she/her)
Really?
00:01:18
Micah
Not once, but I was everywhere.
00:01:21
Shauna (she/her)
Everywhere.
00:01:23
Ryan
the first time i met you was or the first time i recall meeting you was play CLE that like jump that adult bounthouse bounce house when Stonewall Sports used to do events yeah yeah in the in the before times um so yeah Micah um this was an easy ask we've we've been nerd adjacent to one another for so long I feel like a lot of our conversations have been about this stuff so
00:01:31
Micah
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:01:36
Shauna (she/her)
good times.
00:01:41
Shauna (she/her)
In the long line ago.
00:01:54
Ryan
um when Sean and I were planning for phase four, we're like, all right, let's get some um new nerd voices in here. So um if a nerd is something, if a nerd is someone who is weirdly knowledgeable and passionate about something that sometimes people find uncool, Micah, what are you a nerd about?
Micah's Nerdy Interests and Professional Journey
00:02:14
Micah
It's extremely relevant for today's conversation. um
00:02:18
Ryan
Let's see.
00:02:19
Micah
Comic book movies. I have always, always loved comic book movies. I think my first one that I can remember is ah the Batman movie with Jack Nicholson as the Joker.
00:02:34
Micah
Probably saw that way too young. Yeah.
00:02:38
Ryan
like the wi
00:02:40
Micah
um Also, yeah yeah, so with the Wiz.
00:02:40
Shauna (she/her)
Absolutely.
00:02:44
Micah
um Also very much into anime. i love musicals. I love Legos. um A very wide swath of nerdy stuffs.
00:02:58
Ryan
And you're also like a brain nerd because you are one of the people that I think um like I have a specific type of respect for, which is like, you fully formed your brain.
00:03:10
Ryan
You became an adult and you're like, you know what I want more of school.
00:03:14
Micah
Yeah.
00:03:14
Ryan
And then you like, now you're becoming like a full blown professional and stuff as like an adult.
00:03:14
Micah
Yeah.
00:03:15
Shauna (she/her)
Thank you.
00:03:20
Ryan
Again, you didn't drink the Kool-Aid like me when I was 20 something. It was like, I definitely should get a graduate degree. Like this is the time that I'm certain that this is what I want to do You did the smart thing, bitch.
00:03:33
Micah
yeah Well, you know, there's some debate about whether or not it was the smart thing. Um, I definitely tried on the timeline when I was supposed to and ah appropriately failed out.
00:03:45
Ryan
sure
00:03:45
Micah
Um, but then I went back and decided to do it as hard as possible and, um, study something that requires such a wide swath of knowledge, um, that I regret. And I don't regret it.
00:04:01
Ryan
Yeah.
00:04:01
Micah
I question it a lot, but, um, I do enjoy what I'm doing. Yeah.
00:04:06
Ryan
What is it that you... um find so fascinating about like human speech and language and like what's like, cause I would, I would genuinely classify you as like a nerd in their profession or you seem to be at least um like you, you really care about what you do.
00:04:22
Micah
yeah
00:04:25
Micah
Yeah, absolutely. um So i think what I like most about speech language pathology is just the fact that it encompasses so much. And for most of the population, it's something we really take for granted. Yeah.
Hosts' Professional Interests and Social Commentary
00:04:40
Micah
In the, you know, four minutes that we've been recording, we've probably each said over a couple hundred words, and that's something that is really difficult for a lot of people for a myriad of reasons.
00:04:56
Micah
And parsing out what those reasons are and how to work with them and encourage communication and also empower people to be able to communicate is something that I think is so beautiful and so incredibly complex that it's like a it's like ah it's like a Lego set.
00:05:13
Micah
you know You're putting it together and it may not make sense, but at some point you're going like, oh, okay, this really came together.
00:05:19
Ryan
yeah very cool i you know sometimes it's just cool to hear people talk about stuff that they're passionate about that like is like what they're studying like sean and i are nerds about like
00:05:20
Micah
yeah. yeah
00:05:32
Ryan
social change and like the structures of social change, but that's like so much incorporated into like what we do like professionally that I think that's why I like doing this podcast because it's like, here's a different application of the same stuff that we would be talking about in a different capacity.
00:05:34
Micah
Yeah.
00:05:50
Ryan
So, you know, brains are cool and nerds are cool. Shout out to nerds. um So yeah,
00:05:56
Micah
yeah
00:05:57
Shauna (she/her)
Shout out to failing out of grad school in your 20s, because I definitely couldn't make it through law school. Like, look, I i was a first semester law school dropout because i like I got to Thanksgiving and I was like, I can either study for my midterms or or i just don't.
00:06:12
Micah
or
00:06:14
Shauna (she/her)
And I chose don't and I've never looked back.
00:06:14
Ryan
for example.
00:06:16
Ryan
That a girl.
00:06:16
Shauna (she/her)
You know, look, I was also trying to raw dog it without any sort of like ADHD medication or anything. And like that was real difficult. So.
00:06:24
Ryan
And you were even blonde at that point, which is like, what's the point of the clock when you're not
00:06:26
Shauna (she/her)
i know yeah i Yeah, I had my natural hair color. Like, obviously, I was not going to do well there. it was not a fit for success.
00:06:34
Ryan
blonde?
00:06:35
Shauna (she/her)
So...
00:06:36
Ryan
So, um speaking of No transition. Let's jump into our general purple whole banter portion.
00:06:44
Shauna (she/her)
No, speaking of a need for transition, because we now have to go...
00:06:46
Ryan
All right. All right. All right. All right.
00:06:49
Shauna (she/her)
Well, I'm sorry, it's my expertise level. I have to stick in here. see.
00:06:52
Ryan
What? As like the resident fucking pun?
00:06:53
Shauna (she/her)
of
00:06:54
Ryan
Like the walking pun? That's the thing need to find around.
00:06:56
Shauna (she/her)
yeah was like a the Yeah, leave the trans jokes here to me. This is 10 and 2.
00:07:01
Micah
Don't, don't step on the toes.
00:07:01
Shauna (she/her)
Thank you very much.
00:07:04
Micah
Don't step on the toes.
00:07:04
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:07:05
Micah
And you're lame.
00:07:05
Ryan
Don't fuck it up. um Okay, so I put a couple things in there. we I don't remember if we were talking about it during the recording already or if it was... um ah before we pressed record, but the Epstein files are coming out, a or rather things related to the Epstein cinematic universe
Discussion on Political Scandals and Societal Hypocrisy
00:07:30
Ryan
are being leaked before ECU.
00:07:31
Micah
Not the ECU.
00:07:35
Ryan
um And i don't know, let's just maybe do a quick roundup. What's been the funniest thing about watching our democracy fall? Mine is ah second Clinton blowjob has hit the tower.
00:07:48
Ryan
That's...
00:07:49
Micah
But plot twist in the wrong direction? Like, what's...
00:07:53
Ryan
Yeah.
00:07:53
Micah
why
00:07:55
Ryan
A second Clinton blowjob is taking down another president.
00:07:55
Micah
i
00:08:00
Micah
I was stunned. I, and it took someone explaining it to me because I was like, okay, there's a little ah going on and that's, you know, scandalous enough.
00:08:02
Ryan
Yeah.
00:08:09
Ryan
Yeah.
00:08:12
Micah
And then someone pointed out who, and i had to take a minute.
00:08:19
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:19
Micah
I had to take a minute.
00:08:21
Ryan
yeah
00:08:21
Shauna (she/her)
like We have long known that Russia has had videos of our illustrious president for a minute. those have been Those rumors have been going on for a very long time at this point. and So it is not surprising that this is all coming out.
00:08:35
Shauna (she/her)
I just can't get over how we the queer community has been called groomers for daring to have a drag brunch. And now you're getting, um, actually sex with a 15 year old is if the bull, it's not actually better.
00:08:51
Shauna (she/her)
Get the fuck out of here. or What the fuck are we doing?
00:08:52
Ryan
Right. Right.
00:08:53
Shauna (she/her)
Like you're going to call us fucking rumors for daring to have a mimosa while we watch a grown adult dance fully clothed.
00:08:53
Micah
um
00:09:02
Shauna (she/her)
And yet you're over here being like, well, you know, 15 is just a hop, skip and a jump away from 18. Carry the two and we're fine. Get the fuck out of here.
00:09:10
Ryan
Right.
00:09:11
Shauna (she/her)
Come on.
00:09:11
Ryan
It's not like they're 10 or 5 years old.
00:09:13
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, that would be how that is like and like well, I'm not saying it's good.
00:09:14
Micah
It's completely
00:09:19
Shauna (she/her)
I'm like, but then why are you saying it?
00:09:20
Micah
It's completely different if they've hit puberty.
00:09:20
Ryan
Then are saying?
00:09:20
Shauna (she/her)
What are we doing here?
00:09:23
Micah
Then it's fine.
00:09:23
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, sure.
00:09:24
Micah
Like, are you...
00:09:24
Shauna (she/her)
Yes, it is it is different.
00:09:24
Ryan
Right. Right.
00:09:26
Micah
You're insane.
00:09:27
Shauna (she/her)
it is also not germane to the conversation we're having because we're not discussing two people, each of whom have had relations with minor. No, that is not the situation here. The situation is the trafficking of 15-year-old
00:09:37
Ryan
right
00:09:41
Shauna (she/her)
for this behavior that has been going on as our government is just so willing to kowtow and bend its knee to protect each other because i think there is absolutely truth that this extends or you know this is unfortunately a bipartisan issue in our you know government and i think we need to be very i and i think that's always the thing is i've never met a democrat i was like well not bill clinton like the you know
00:10:04
Ryan
right right yeah he gave up the moral high ground with clinton when he got his dick sucked the first time we were all yeah all kind of were like you know i guess even as a child i was like well first of all it doesn't seem like that big of a deal but again it was
00:10:12
Micah
the first time.
00:10:12
Shauna (she/her)
right look
00:10:21
Ryan
the actual power dynamics of it, which were never the actual focus of the conversation. and it was, she's a slut and he just got his dick sucked. And instead it's like, so
00:10:29
Shauna (she/her)
yeah he's innocent yeah no and i
00:10:33
Micah
Yeah, that's just normal.
00:10:33
Ryan
the the running thread here is that you all are
00:10:35
Micah
It's normal.
Critique of Political Figures and Leadership
00:10:36
Micah
Mm-hmm.
00:10:36
Ryan
disgusting.
00:10:37
Ryan
You're bad people.
00:10:38
Micah
Yeah.
00:10:38
Ryan
You are objectively bad people that are not fit to lead a parade, let alone a group of people. I mean, a parade is a group of people, but you get you get what I'm saying.
00:10:49
Micah
Well, honestly, you shouldn't be let out the house.
00:10:50
Shauna (she/her)
To lead them to just walk, let alone in government form.
00:10:53
Ryan
Yes. Yes.
00:10:54
Micah
Yeah. You shouldn't.
00:10:55
Shauna (she/her)
Well, and I think there's also... No, are you saying, Micah?
00:10:57
Ryan
Go ahead.
00:10:59
Micah
I was just saying, they shouldn't even be let out of the house. like This is all, in my opinion, leading up to The Hague 2.0. We're going to see another Nuremberg trial. fingers crossed, toes crossed, nose crossed, balls crossed, whatever.
00:11:12
Micah
um Because I will be buying front row seats like it's the fucking Olympics. I need to be there because this is beyond, like the the simulation has flown so far off the rails that like Sean is saying, I can't believe some of the things that we're even trying to argue.
00:11:26
Shauna (she/her)
Come here.
00:11:26
Ryan
Yeah.
00:11:31
Micah
Like, no, no.
00:11:31
Ryan
Right. Right. Yep.
00:11:35
Shauna (she/her)
Look, and I'm long since over treating politics like a sports team. It is it is our lives.
00:11:39
Ryan
Yes.
00:11:40
Shauna (she/her)
And, you know, I'm a big fan of Parks Recreation. I think there's a lot of good in that show. It's something I hold very near and dear. But I think this lionization of politicians and this, like, you know, making them pop culture heroes never helped anybody.
00:11:54
Shauna (she/her)
And I think that, you know, on one hand, yes, you have to be relatable as a representative to your people, but also...
00:11:54
Ryan
Yeah.
00:12:01
Shauna (she/her)
like we can't be treating them as this, you know, be all end all sports team allegiance, because that's how you get these situations where both sides are clearly willing to bend backwards to help each other because the only, you know, the only solidarity is class solidarity and they have it with each other and they'll never have it with us.
00:12:22
Micah
Correct.
00:12:22
Shauna (she/her)
And we need to recognize and realize that across both sides of the aisle.
00:12:22
Ryan
Yes, exactly.
00:12:25
Shauna (she/her)
And I really hope that this could be a moment where we can all come together to say, okay, but this is wrong.
00:12:33
Ryan
Right.
00:12:33
Shauna (she/her)
Can we just agree on the subjective reality that it doesn't matter who it is, it's just wrong, and we should operate on that front so and have them not be in power anymore?
Excitement for Wicked Performance
00:12:44
Ryan
All right, let's get into the things that are exciting to talk about. It's been a Rich week in pop culture, we got like several new trailers, teasers.
00:12:58
Ryan
um The one that I did not put in the list, but just reminded me, um Wicked is coming.
00:13:03
Micah
i'm waiting
00:13:04
Ryan
Is that what you were going for? were you going to say?
00:13:06
Micah
No, but yes, I'm excited about that too, obviously.
00:13:09
Ryan
What were you going to say? And then we'll go back to it again.
00:13:12
Micah
i was going to say Devil Wears Prada too.
00:13:15
Ryan
Yes. Okay, we'll start there. We'll c start there. Shauna, Micah, you already clearly have demonstrated how excited you are. what are Are you a ah Devil Wears
00:13:26
Shauna (she/her)
I'm not not a Devil Wears Prada Gurley. i have not watched it recently. And like, I was like, I feel like, I think when it came out, like, ah because it came out a while.
00:13:37
Ryan
2006.
00:13:37
Shauna (she/her)
Okay.
00:13:38
Micah
Oh.
00:13:38
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:13:39
Ryan
I know it because I saw it in the movie theaters with the last girl I ever dated.
00:13:43
Shauna (she/her)
No. And so I think it being a movie from, I don't know actually that I ever watched it If I watched it after I transitioned, it was very early on. So it's still like a decade ago, but like,
00:13:55
Ryan
Oh, bitch, we need to...
00:13:56
Shauna (she/her)
So I don't know that I, yeah, I think I'm due watching with this new knowledge in mind.
00:14:02
Ryan
Yes.
00:14:02
Shauna (she/her)
Because I'm not like, like I enjoyed it, but like i was i'm not I wouldn't say I'm fangirling over it, but I think it's not for like, I don't get it.
00:14:08
Ryan
Yeah.
00:14:10
Shauna (she/her)
Like I just, yeah, I missed
00:14:11
Ryan
Yeah, I, um...
00:14:13
Shauna (she/her)
Again, full circle of this little podcast segment.
00:14:16
Ryan
Yep. It was not, I still, you know, the people in my life are obsessed with it um and I see the value of it, especially the older I get.
00:14:28
Ryan
I think my resistance to it for a very long time was I didn't see it for Anne Hathaway, but do now. I have long since seen it for Anne Hathaway. i dreamed a dream too, sis, and it was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen.
00:14:43
Ryan
um Okay, so Wicked is coming in one week from today. We're seeing it.
00:14:52
Shauna (she/her)
oh wow i didn't even think of that that was like that that's already next weekend
00:14:56
Micah
Oh, close.
00:14:57
Ryan
It's next weekend. Do you have your tickets, Micah?
00:15:00
Micah
Yes, but I will be at a conference next week, but I come back the following Sunday and we're going to see it Monday night. For sure.
00:15:08
Ryan
Good.
00:15:09
Micah
IMAX.
00:15:10
Ryan
Good.
00:15:10
Micah
I'm
00:15:11
Ryan
Yeah, we're going on Friday. um Can't freaking wait. ah
00:15:17
Micah
kind of late.
00:15:18
Ryan
The girls, Shauna has not seen the musical, correct?
00:15:23
Shauna (she/her)
I've seen the musical. I have seen the musical.
00:15:25
Ryan
Oh, you have.
00:15:25
Shauna (she/her)
I've only seen it once, but I have seen it.
00:15:26
Ryan
Okay. There's people in our group that don't know what happens. Like, I don't think Ooxie knows everything that happens.
00:15:36
Shauna (she/her)
ah really Oh, really? wait.
00:15:37
Ryan
Yeah, I don't think, like, when we saw the first when we saw the first part, Him and James were like, like.
00:15:44
Shauna (she/her)
I hadn't realized that, like, element of it. I just presume... Again, this is on me. I just presume that in the circle of people who enjoy enough musical theater to be there.
00:15:53
Ryan
yeah.
00:15:56
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, like...
00:15:56
Ryan
Yes, yes, yes.
00:15:57
Micah
Well, also, i would say
00:15:58
Shauna (she/her)
Like, look, Ryan Smith was crying. Like, it was... fine Like, yeah, just...
00:16:03
Ryan
Down, down, boots.
00:16:03
Micah
what's very impressive about that actually is going 20 some years and somehow not learning the plot of that musical.
00:16:08
Ryan
Yes.
00:16:15
Micah
Like, i from my perspective, it seems kind of difficult, but it's impressive.
00:16:20
Ryan
Yeah. um
00:16:20
Micah
Yeah.
00:16:21
Ryan
No, babes, you have to remember, if you weren't into musical theater, it wasn't it it it was just the Wicked Witch and Glinda.
00:16:35
Ryan
You don't know anything about it other than the imagery and like maybe a couple songs, and so I don't think you would ever really go out of your way to explore it because it's just like, oh, sure, it's the thing about the witches from from Oz, but...
00:16:36
Micah
Yeah.
00:16:49
Ryan
I just finished the book. I do. It's it's I liked reading it as an ah or listening to it as an adult. I tried reading it in high school and arguably one of the funniest pieces of information about my history is that I didn't like it because I thought it was too political. I thought it was too heavy handed.
00:17:07
Ryan
Like me was like, I don't like this. Why are they trying to make it all about politics? Hello.
00:17:12
Micah
That's a poster for change, everyone.
00:17:15
Ryan
Hello.
00:17:15
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah. Like you knew you grew up in a suburb when like, no, but like, that is absolutely, i get it though.
00:17:16
Micah
does feel better.
00:17:16
Ryan
hello
00:17:20
Ryan
Yes, very much so.
00:17:22
Shauna (she/her)
Like I am so grateful for meeting my, you know, future spouse because like really like helped make me inform on so many different things and be more introspective, you know, look, you know, cause like I went to Catholic school for 12 years.
00:17:32
Ryan
Yes.
00:17:37
Shauna (she/her)
You're just going, like you are taught that things are a way and learning that it did not have to be that And it's,
00:17:41
Ryan
Yes.
00:17:43
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, it was so eye-opening and I'm so grateful for it.
00:17:47
Ryan
Yeah, and the the book is so different than the musical. Like, um I will say the most jarring part is there, and it's like it's towards the end when, spoiler alert, if you don't want to hear some stuff about what happens in Act Two of Wicked, skip ahead a few minutes.
00:18:09
Ryan
um But when Fierro and Elphaba start fucking, there is a scene in the book where the, they, he touches her butthole and they like talk about it.
00:18:23
Ryan
Like they talk about him, like tracing his hand down her back and feeling like between her cheeks and it just having like the slightest bit of hair. And I'm pretty sure they talked about it being like like a, not a,
00:18:36
Ryan
like a ah to
00:18:37
Shauna (she/her)
Pigtail.
00:18:38
Ryan
not Um, like a spiral. Like, you know, how the, the rectum is like, all the tissues kind of look like it's like a, like it's a, um, like a spiral.
00:18:49
Shauna (she/her)
Duck's penis.
00:18:50
Ryan
No, stop. No.
00:18:52
Shauna (she/her)
That's a corkscrew. My bad.
00:18:53
Ryan
Like a, like a flat. Okay. Everyone knows what a butthole looks like.
00:18:56
Micah
What is happening?
00:18:57
Shauna (she/her)
eight
00:18:59
Micah
Did we all just forget what buttholes look like?
00:19:02
Ryan
Yeah. And Shauna was really adamant that buttholes are to like external.
00:19:08
Shauna (she/her)
No, I'm sorry, you're doing this gesture, and I'm just going to be like...
00:19:11
Micah
Yeah, it was like, like ah does it look like a cinnamon roll?
00:19:11
Ryan
I'm not trying to make like, you know.
00:19:15
Micah
like
00:19:15
Shauna (she/her)
like That's where was like, that is a...
00:19:16
Ryan
it
00:19:16
Shauna (she/her)
You are illustrating, oh, like a pig's tail, of course. And then I just had to follow through.
00:19:21
Ryan
Okay, so I'm showing the camera like, you know, if it's like
00:19:26
Shauna (she/her)
Yes, please explain to Bud Holmore.
00:19:26
Ryan
it
00:19:27
Shauna (she/her)
I think that'll help.
00:19:28
Ryan
As I finger the outside. Okay, anyways. So we're gonna stop.
00:19:31
Micah
What's actually funny, Shauna, is that you said a pig's tail, but I thought you said pigtail, and that made it even worse. Yeah.
00:19:38
Ryan
Yeah, yeah.
00:19:40
Micah
Her butthole was like a pigtail.
00:19:40
Ryan
Like, oh,
00:19:43
Ryan
like off the side of your head. Yeah, cute.
00:19:46
Shauna (she/her)
Just braid it off. Yeah, that's...
00:19:48
Ryan
All right, thanks so much, everyone. We're gonna wrap up this up this week's episode of Real Hot Nerd Shit.
00:19:52
Micah
Thank you for having me. Thank you for having me.
00:19:53
Ryan
Thanks, Micah, for being here. Everyone is disgusting. um Did you all see the teaser trailer for Toy Story 5?
00:20:01
Micah
I refuse.
00:20:02
Ryan
Okay.
00:20:02
Shauna (she/her)
I did not, not for any reason, just like, it didn't, yeah.
00:20:07
Ryan
It was in my CNN Five Things update, and so I checked it out.
00:20:10
Shauna (she/her)
Okay. Okay.
00:20:11
Ryan
Micah, why do you refuse?
00:20:12
Micah
Let me tell you something. I'm going to tell you why.
00:20:14
Ryan
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
00:20:15
Micah
And this is a very strange hill that I'll die on and maybe I have to put Pixar in my stuff that I'm nerdy about.
00:20:20
Ryan
Uh-huh.
00:20:21
Micah
Toy Story ended with three. It ended with three.
00:20:23
Ryan
Sure. Sure.
00:20:24
Micah
That was it.
00:20:25
Ryan
I think that's fair.
00:20:26
Micah
He gave the toys away. That was the end of the story. and now we got ah spoon for some reason. And God only knows what we're going to introduce in five.
00:20:36
Micah
Maybe we'll have a rose toy. um
00:20:39
Ryan
Oh.
00:20:40
Micah
Like who who fucking knows. Toy Story died at three. We're done.
00:20:46
Ryan
Well, the enemy in Toy Story 5 is Screens. the and The teaser trailer is this kid excitedly opening ah box and it's like a, it's a tablet and it's a leapfrog basically. um And that's like the whole, they're all, the toys are like so scared to see them open the the box and then they open the box and it's like a leapfrog.
00:21:10
Ryan
So yeah.
00:21:11
Micah
I would like to point out that the last 15 seconds that I was speaking was actually a deep fake, and I'm on board totally with Toy Story 5.
00:21:18
Ryan
two
00:21:22
Ryan
AI generated.
00:21:23
Micah
It's crazy.
00:21:25
Ryan
That was wild.
00:21:25
Shauna (she/her)
Well, it's actually just wait till Toy Story 6 happens when they actually go back to Andy being in college and they learn all about the sentient sex toys. It's a really weird universe.
00:21:35
Ryan
It gets real weird.
00:21:35
Micah
I...
00:21:36
Ryan
Expansive.
00:21:36
Micah
The...
00:21:37
Shauna (she/her)
That Hitachi, though, is quite the attitude.
00:21:39
Micah
The... The Toy Story cinematic universe.
00:21:40
Ryan
You but big With pigtails and all. um And of course, ah we got the trailer for Super Mario Galaxy.
00:21:53
Ryan
Rosalina's in the house, bitch. Her and her crunchy little sidekick.
00:21:57
Shauna (she/her)
And played by a super fan, love that Brie Larson genuinely loves both Super Mario Galaxy and the Mario universe.
00:21:57
Micah
Brie Lars and Brie Lars?
00:22:00
Ryan
Yes.
00:22:05
Shauna (she/her)
I think she's the only person in that movie who does. And she was so excited.
00:22:08
Ryan
Really?
00:22:10
Shauna (she/her)
She loves it. Oh my god, she quick I just saw a video of her. She's like, this is like May 21st. And... and I have to let you all know, going to be Rosalina and I'm so excited. Alright, you'll see this at the end of the year.
00:22:21
Shauna (she/her)
Bye.
00:22:22
Ryan
you
00:22:22
Shauna (she/her)
And it was just like, it was just a really cute, like she was at, like she was like, yeah, I'm like casual cosplaying at Mario World, like as Rosalina. I just didn't, it was, i love that she's here for it.
00:22:32
Micah
Yeah.
00:22:32
Ryan
Me too.
00:22:32
Shauna (she/her)
Like, I think I, ah you know, going back to Shang-Chi you know, the reason for the season, I was like, I just like, every time I see her as Captain Marvel, I always forget, I do like you.
00:22:43
Shauna (she/her)
Like, it's such a shame that
00:22:43
Ryan
Sure.
00:22:46
Shauna (she/her)
angry nerds hate her so much because I just don't get it.
00:22:50
Ryan
Yeah. I mean, like you do.
00:22:52
Shauna (she/her)
I know, but like...
00:22:54
Ryan
it's such a waste.
00:22:55
Micah
i'm angry Angry nerds hating a strong woman? Unheard of.
00:22:58
Ryan
Right.
00:22:59
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, right.
00:22:59
Ryan
Unheard of. Well, and it's also just such a waste because, like, I mean, i the kind of interesting swirl of all of that, the butthole of it all, is that, um you know, she plays Captain Marvel and then Miss Marvel, Iman Vellani, is kind of of the same ilk of being in this universe that she genuinely loves. And it's like...
00:23:23
Ryan
Isn't that what we want? Isn't that what we want in our in our nerd media is people who care about the intellectual property?
00:23:25
Micah
and
00:23:32
Ryan
Like, but no.
00:23:33
Micah
they're invested they love it they like yeah
00:23:36
Ryan
And they get it. They don't need to be primed on it. Like, she knows Rosalina's little bad bitch attitude. So good. So good. Yeah.
00:23:46
Micah
i'm very excited to see if she's gonna pull in a little bit of that attitude from scott pilgrim and just mix that up with Captain Marvel, because I think that kind of perfectly embodies Rosalina.
00:23:54
Ryan
Oh.
00:24:01
Ryan
Sure. I can't say I know enough about Scott Pilgrim because I never saw it, but I...
00:24:06
Shauna (she/her)
See, I never played Super Mario Galaxy. That was the one that I missed, yeah.
00:24:10
Ryan
Very cute and fun. Yeah.
00:24:11
Shauna (she/her)
Coincidentally. You know, and i we have the, like, when they released a three-pack of, like, well, even remastered, just, like, release of Super Mario 64 Galaxy and Sunshine.
00:24:17
Ryan
yeah
00:24:23
Shauna (she/her)
Maybe I'll have to give that a try.
00:24:24
Ryan
yeah yeah that was the last
00:24:26
Shauna (she/her)
Because I never had a GameCube. GameCube was the first Nintendo system I missed on.
00:24:29
Micah
Thank you.
00:24:32
Shauna (she/her)
i i like I literally had an NES. Nintendo was like my first system, Super Nintendo N64, but then I had an Xbox in high school and then went from to Xbox 360. I did.
00:24:43
Shauna (she/her)
three sixty
00:24:45
Ryan
course course you did um well in
00:24:47
Shauna (she/her)
and dar
00:24:48
Ryan
In the vein of of video games, today is ah a very important day. And I can't remember if you're a gamer. Do you play Rivals, Micah?
00:24:57
Micah
I do not play Rivals. um I have anger management issues, so I have a tendency to play RPGs um because online gaming will raise my blood pressure.
00:25:01
Ryan
Sure.
00:25:05
Ryan
Uh-huh.
00:25:10
Ryan
Yes, one of our friends was threatened to be evicted because he was getting so loud in his apartment, someone filed a noise complaint.
00:25:10
Shauna (she/her)
that's
00:25:18
Micah
Yeah, sounds like me.
00:25:19
Ryan
Yeah, so ah today, November 14th, Remy LeBeau was introduced into ah into the Marvel Rivals world. Shishi, have you played yet?
00:25:32
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, no, but I'm going to make a name for myself. i cannot wait.
00:25:35
Ryan
Ta-da!
00:25:36
Micah
nine
00:25:37
Shauna (she/her)
I'm so looking forward.
00:25:41
Micah
ah That kind of sounded like a threat.
00:25:44
Ryan
Boo!
00:25:45
Shauna (she/her)
Oh yeah, it's right in promise.
00:25:47
Ryan
Get her out.
00:25:47
Micah
ah
00:25:49
Ryan
I'm seeking a new host, please.
00:25:52
Shauna (she/her)
a
00:25:53
Ryan
I can't take it anymore. She did a bad impression of a bad impression of Randy Lobo.
00:26:04
Ryan
That, yeah. I mean, i feel like Ryan got in my head. Snacks got in my head a little bit with like how difficult it seems, but I was like watching a couple of the videos. I'm sure I will. i you know it won't be...
00:26:16
Ryan
Can I just get another Scarlet Witch style character that I really like? Like, please make Rogue a really manageable tank. Please. Make Cyclops a fun, Punisher-esque, like, pew, pew, pew, kind of like, don't make me do, don't make me aim.
00:26:38
Ryan
Stop making me aim in these games. It's not fair. um bad at it.
00:26:44
Micah
Just need a little, a little bit of auto lock never hurt anybody.
00:26:48
Ryan
ah Come on. um All right.
00:26:51
Shauna (she/her)
You need a Mercy. There was a character in Overwatch whose name was Mercy, and like her whole thing was that like you really just healed with her. like you held like She had like her healing her healing staff, and you could either be healing someone or damage boosting with it.
00:27:06
Shauna (she/her)
And then you could like switch to an alternate pistol, but really, it was all about her... like That's her kit.
00:27:12
Ryan
Yeah.
00:27:12
Shauna (she/her)
And like I think that's the that's that's the one you'll find.
00:27:16
Ryan
It's fine.
00:27:17
Shauna (she/her)
I don't know who it'll be. Maybe Kitty Pryde. don't know.
00:27:22
Ryan
As long as it's a character that I like, don't make me be like Eyeboy or something and it's like, oh, Eyeboy the most useful character in this fucking game.
00:27:28
Shauna (she/her)
You mean A-boy? Because that's been pretty much...
00:27:30
Ryan
Boo.
00:27:32
Shauna (she/her)
Well, look, I'm just saying, Punisher's right there, and I don't know that I've ever seen you play as him.
00:27:38
Ryan
um I have. i have. um But not often.
00:27:42
Shauna (she/her)
i was to say, i was like, it is...
00:27:42
Ryan
Like, maybe once or twice. Like, not very
00:27:46
Shauna (she/her)
just saying, maybe maybe that is, maybe as like we were talking about, maybe that's the answer, is you just go with like, shooting McShooterson from Shootsville, like, o yeah.
00:27:52
Ryan
right Spray and pray Yeah, or you my my my PlayStation handle is, or my rival's handle is be nice, I'm a baby because I'm not good at the game and I want people to know that I'm a baby and they can't be mean to me.
00:27:56
Micah
Shooty McShooterson. That should be your username from now on.
00:28:00
Shauna (she/her)
That's already Bernice.
00:28:16
Ryan
do I freeze?
00:28:17
Micah
And has that worked out for you?
00:28:19
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:28:19
Ryan
um Like, it's fine, but it says be nice, I'm a baby, but everyone thinks it looks like Bernice the baby, so... My new nickname is Bernice.
00:28:30
Micah
So they're like, fuck that baby with the old lady name.
00:28:33
Ryan
Right, exactly, exactly.
00:28:39
Shauna (she/her)
yes
00:28:40
Ryan
Okay, so jumping into today's topic. um We are talking about Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings.
00:28:51
Ryan
um But before we do that, ah we always like to hear a little bit about the origin stories of our guests. So,
Micah's Comic Book Experiences and Impact of Batman Returns
00:28:58
Ryan
Micah, what is your origin story with Marvel? Like you said, you're a comic book movie person. Did you read comics? Like, what's your history with Marvel?
00:29:10
Micah
um so i was a very sporadic comic book reader because my mom didn't want to spend the money um which is fair um ah so i would generally just like buy whatever covers interested me the most whenever i had some allowance money and but
00:29:20
Ryan
Reasonable. my god. Yeah.
00:29:32
Micah
I think one of the clearest and earliest memories I have was picking up the X-babies comic book.
00:29:41
Ryan
um my god yeah
00:29:42
Micah
And like, I'm not going to date myself. Please don't look up when those was originally came out. um And just having the time of my life. um And then or around the same time, because I can't remember the timeline very well, um,
00:29:59
Micah
the am I always pronounced it Amalgam. I know it's Amalgam. Whatever.
00:30:03
Ryan
Oh, yeah.
00:30:03
Micah
the crossover between DC and Marvel. Specifically. Wonder Woman vs. Storm. Which then resulted in.
00:30:13
Shauna (she/her)
Mm.
00:30:15
Micah
The Amazonian. Y'all.
00:30:19
Ryan
I don't know nothing about her.
00:30:20
Micah
Oh, let me tell
00:30:22
Shauna (she/her)
Mm.
00:30:23
Micah
you And some of um of these fights were nasty because I think it was Wolverine versus Batman was the other one that I had.
00:30:24
Ryan
Please, go
00:30:33
Micah
And then there was one more that I can't quite recall. But Diana, Princess of Themyscira versus the Goddess of Weather.
00:30:40
Ryan
Yeah.
00:30:45
Micah
Outrageous. And this was a not.
00:30:47
Shauna (she/her)
it it
00:30:49
Micah
Go ahead. Go ahead.
00:30:50
Shauna (she/her)
Oh no, it feels like a they're going to start by fighting, but then they're just going to be like, actually, we should just be best friends.
00:30:57
Ryan
yeah
00:30:57
Micah
Oh, it was The respect, that was what made it so, because actually it was the other way around.
00:30:57
Shauna (she/her)
Because like they feel like so similar in a wonderful way.
00:31:03
Shauna (she/her)
Absolutely.
00:31:06
Micah
They had the conversation before and they said, well, look, we don't necessarily have to do this. We probably shouldn't. We're both on the same side. And then it was like, well, we kind of have to, so let's do it with honor and, you know, fight, fight as hard as you can sister.
00:31:23
Micah
And I remember Diana calling Aurora's sister.
00:31:26
Shauna (she/her)
See
00:31:27
Micah
And I was like, okay.
00:31:28
Ryan
Oh, T.
00:31:31
Micah
Okay.
00:31:31
Ryan
T.
00:31:32
Shauna (she/her)
you.
00:31:32
Micah
And it got a little rough, but you know, in the end, Weather Witch took it.
00:31:38
Ryan
Of and does, always.
00:31:40
Micah
Oh, it was.
00:31:41
Ryan
So what's the Amazonian?
00:31:43
Micah
So then after all of the battles were complete, they put out just a single shot issue of those two battling characters merged.
00:31:56
Micah
and i will never forget the cover of the amazonian it is just imagine storm's original white regalia the big gigantic wings but in wonder woman colors it was absolutely sickening it was sickening i can't remember the story to save my life but i just remember her standing on what looked like pride rock Thunder lightning and this big old Wonder Woman costume.
00:32:30
Micah
Oh, beautiful, beautiful.
00:32:31
Ryan
Aurora of Themyscira.
00:32:33
Micah
Yes.
00:32:35
Ryan
Yeah.
00:32:36
Micah
Oh, it was it was everything.
00:32:37
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, that's great.
00:32:39
Ryan
Oh, shit it's just the Amazon.
00:32:39
Micah
yeah
00:32:40
Ryan
It's not the Amazonian.
00:32:41
Micah
Oh, the Amazon. Yeah. Oh.
00:32:43
Ryan
yeah
00:32:45
Micah
That whole, look through that whole lineup and you will see some amazing things like the, I forget the character when they combined Batman and Wolverine, but Batman alone is terrifying.
00:32:45
Ryan
Very cool.
00:32:49
Ryan
Malcolm.
00:32:52
Shauna (she/her)
Amazing.
00:33:01
Micah
Imagine him with adamantium claws and an even worse attitude.
00:33:06
Ryan
Right.
00:33:06
Micah
ah wo But yeah.
00:33:08
Ryan
Yeah, I see it. this is very Very cool. Okay, I'll have to dig into this. I definitely had heard of it before. But yeah, this is pretty cool. um So here and there with comics.
00:33:24
Ryan
um But was there anything in particular that kind of like made you into really like loving comic book movies? Like, what was it? What really brought you in?
00:33:35
Micah
can answer this with 110 confidence batman returns michelle pfeiffer catwoman
00:33:42
Ryan
T for me as well.
00:33:42
Shauna (she/her)
Mm-hmm.
00:33:44
Ryan
I definitely think that's that was really important.
00:33:47
Micah
ruined me in the best way possible um because i was already young and confused and at that point i didn't know if i wanted to be with michelle pfeiffer or if i wanted to be michelle pfeiffer uh it definitely turned out to be the latter um but then re-watching it over time and growing up realizing like
00:34:02
Ryan
um Sure.
00:34:12
Micah
the metaphor of femininity and how it's, you know, perceived in society, how she's expected to act and how she just decided to flip all of that upside down and be the absolute most powerful psychotic hypersexual weaponizing her body like it was absolutely beautiful and to this day if anyone starts counting you will still hear me go four five still alive like and nobody knows what i'm doing but i just
00:34:34
Ryan
Yeah. i've That's that Instagram meme or that meme that's like when I say like blah blah blah and no one knows what I'm referencing.
00:34:56
Micah
Yes.
00:34:58
Ryan
Yeah, that's yours.
00:34:58
Micah
Yes. It was, it was that movie really just like firmly got me, got me going on the movies. Yeah.
00:35:06
Ryan
Yeah. Shauna, what was your first, like, a comic movie that, like, really stuck with you? Yeah.
00:35:15
Shauna (she/her)
I mean, honestly, it was probably the 1989 Batman. that was absolutely one that I had like the action figures for, and like like I had like that Batmobile as a toy.
00:35:28
Shauna (she/her)
Absolutely.
00:35:28
Ryan
Yeah.
00:35:28
Shauna (she/her)
like that was the That was really very integral, I think, was like that era of Batman.
00:35:34
Micah
Mm-hmm.
00:35:34
Shauna (she/her)
And then eventually turning into the animated series, and of course, X-Men, the the the original character.
00:35:34
Ryan
Yeah.
00:35:39
Ryan
Sure, 100%. Yeah.
00:35:40
Shauna (she/her)
like thinking I was actually just thinking this in terms of like Gambit. and like Because Gambit was one of my... Gambit and Nightcrawler were probably two... And Cyclops. Those are like my big three favorite characters. And like realizing in a certain way of like, oh, like especially in Gambit, I like this character because I'm attracted to him.
00:35:57
Shauna (she/her)
And I did not know that at the time.
00:35:57
Ryan
sure
00:35:59
Shauna (she/her)
but like And even like looking back at like the pro wrestlers I like and all of those kinds of like, oh, actually, okay. this all checks out in a way that I did not have the words, language, or wherewithal to kind of figure out in real time, but did ultimately, like with hindsight of, oh, actually.
00:36:07
Ryan
yeah
00:36:16
Shauna (she/her)
Okay. But yeah, no, I love those stories.
00:36:20
Ryan
The three of those three characters in particular, all are also quite principled. Um, so like Gambit lives by the code of thieves, uh, Nightcrawler is of course a devout Catholic. And then Scott is, you know, your textbook, uh, boy scout. Like it's kind of interesting. There's something there, Shauna. There's something about, uh, an attraction to someone who adheres to a code.
00:36:46
Ryan
Um,
00:36:47
Shauna (she/her)
No.
00:36:47
Ryan
Because I don't see it. I mean, I see it for all of them, to be clear. um Especially now. Nightcrawler is so fucking hot in the comics. They really have made him into a slut.
00:36:58
Micah
it's It's the most unnecessary, but I'm so grateful for it.
00:37:02
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah. Why has he got a beard?
00:37:05
Micah
Why is he caked up like that?
00:37:05
Ryan
Why has he got a daddy beard? why is he got why he Why was he a Spider-Man for a second? Because that was great. Did ah did either of you read Uncanny Spider-Man?
00:37:15
Micah
Mm-mm.
00:37:15
Shauna (she/her)
no
00:37:17
Ryan
Oh, it's post the fall of Krakoa when all the like mutants are disbanded or whatever. Nightcrawler takes on a basically like a Spider-Man guys and it becomes the uncanny Spider-Man. It's like a four issue mini run.
00:37:30
Ryan
It's pretty interesting.
00:37:31
Micah
um
00:37:32
Ryan
um So um any other like major Marvel or DC either way, like moments for you, Micah?
00:37:43
Micah
um as far as movies specifically
00:37:47
Ryan
just like part of things that kind of defined your your nerd. Yeah.
00:37:51
Micah
hu um I have to echo what Shauna said. it was that pipeline of Batman, the animated series um X-Men. I mean, you could not pull me away from the TV when X-Men was on.
00:38:02
Shauna (she/her)
All right.
00:38:05
Micah
Do not talk to me. um i did the, I don't know what it was like a pizza hut book reading challenge or whatever. So I could get the VHS tape so I could watch it whenever um i didn't actually read the books. I just lied. Yeah.
00:38:19
Ryan
Yeah, course.
00:38:21
Micah
And then on to, oh my gosh, it just fell out of my head.
00:38:26
Ryan
The movies.
00:38:27
Micah
I mean, it was it was a typical, yeah.
00:38:27
Ryan
The movies.
00:38:29
Micah
I mean, people had some opinions about it, but Riddler and Two-Face, I loved Jim Carrey anyway, so seeing Jim Carrey as the Riddler made sense.
00:38:30
Ryan
Yeah.
00:38:39
Ryan
Same.
00:38:42
Micah
um
00:38:42
Ryan
Yeah.
00:38:43
Micah
And God, we just cannot skip over Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy. The terrible one-liners. Just, it was everything to me that like comic book movies were meant to be when they were goofy and over the top.
00:39:00
Ryan
yes i was gonna do that as i told lady freeze as i pulled her plug this is a one woman show um i that's one of those ones that if i if when i say that and nobody understands it like that one breaks my heart
00:39:00
Micah
Perfection.
00:39:07
Micah
Just...
00:39:14
Ryan
But I think I followed the exact same pipeline. I don't know. i didn't start with but the original Batman, but Batman Returns, specifically Michelle Pfeiffer as batman versus Catwoman.
00:39:22
Shauna (she/her)
Oh
00:39:24
Ryan
Specifically Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman. And how scary Danny DeVito was as Oswald Cobblepot.
00:39:32
Micah
Oh, repulsive.
00:39:33
Ryan
Like, incredible.
00:39:35
Micah
Mm-hmm.
00:39:36
Ryan
That really, like, solidified. I was like, this is good stuff. And then for the next ones to be, like, you know, ah ah Batman Forever was fine. like I liked the villains in that one.
00:39:49
Ryan
But Batman and Robin, babe.
00:39:50
Micah
Girl. Girl.
00:39:52
Ryan
Alicia Silverstone, babe. Babe.
00:39:57
Micah
the I mean, when you just talk about some of the scenes in the movie, some of the artistic choices they made, and like revealing Poison Ivy by doing like a burlesque out of a giant gorilla suit.
00:40:11
Ryan
Gorilla suit?
00:40:12
Micah
What are we doing here?
00:40:13
Ryan
Yeah.
00:40:14
Micah
What is, this is camp.
00:40:14
Ryan
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:15
Shauna (she/her)
God
00:40:17
Micah
This is entertainment.
00:40:18
Ryan
Or the three of them at the end standing around an upside down computer and he's like, oh, it's gonna take us so long to do it.
00:40:18
Micah
This camp.
00:40:25
Ryan
And then she like hits it twice and like types a couple letters and the screen reverses. Like, what an icon. What an icon.
00:40:34
Micah
Chris O'Donnell doing the laundry where he's being extra and like flipping the laundry around like his legs out the water.
00:40:40
Shauna (she/her)
Oh God
00:40:42
Micah
I know it's trite. I know people have said it before. Part of my gay awakening because I was like, what's what's going on here?
00:40:48
Ryan
Yeah.
00:40:50
Micah
What's why are we?
00:40:51
Ryan
Well, that that was the the hard plastic nipples and anatomically correct super suits. That really, that that did us all in.
00:41:01
Ryan
Like...
00:41:01
Micah
and the And the ice skates that came out of the boots. What was going on?
00:41:06
Ryan
Okay, boots.
00:41:09
Ryan
The definition of boots.
00:41:11
Micah
Oh, you said skate boots? Boots the house skate down?
00:41:13
Ryan
Right? Yeah.
00:41:15
Micah
Nipples?
00:41:15
Ryan
Oh, it Boots the house down is actually now only in reference to when Batman and Robin click their heels together in Ice Skate. that's When I say boots the house down, that's what I mean.
00:41:28
Micah
It's like the new Rocky Horror Picture Show. You go see it and everybody has to scream boots the house down when the ice skates come out.
00:41:37
Shauna (she/her)
You know, more movies should have public viewings with audience callbacks.
00:41:37
Ryan
the
00:41:42
Shauna (she/her)
I think that we are really missing that as a society, and we need to bring that back.
00:41:47
Ryan
participatory movies.
00:41:48
Micah
start the Start the organizing in your respective cities. We're going to get this done.
00:41:53
Ryan
Please, imagine, like, the amount of times I have to be told, and I think this is maybe why Sean and I never end up sitting next to each other, because I can't keep color commentary to myself.
00:42:04
Ryan
If something funny comes to light,
00:42:05
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, we would be, we would just be like da-da-da-da-da-da the entire time Like, is that, no, I'm constantly like, I want to say this to Ryan, but I don't want to yell this over, sta like, no, I, so, I, that's funny.
00:42:12
Ryan
I know. Brian gets so mad. He will tolerate it. Snacks hates it.
00:42:19
Shauna (she/her)
I could absolutely see that exact dynamic of, like, Uxie will be like, he's okay with it, like, but, like,
00:42:24
Ryan
Yeah. Oxy will allow it. he'll He'll giggle, but after a while, I'll tell you shut up. Okay. Speaking of telling me to shut up, let's get into our movie of the day.
00:42:35
Ryan
We are talking about Shang-Chi, Legend of the Ten Rings.
00:42:36
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, yeah.
00:42:41
Ryan
It came out in the year 2020.
00:42:45
Ryan
And no, 2021.
00:42:46
Micah
Great year.
00:42:47
Ryan
I'm sorry. Thank you. um And we're just going to jump right into it. But before we do that, actually, general, overall, Micah, what did you think?
00:42:58
Ryan
Was this a rewatch or a first work watch?
00:43:01
Micah
This was a rewatch for me. I've definitely watched it a couple of times because I do love it.
00:43:07
Ryan
Uh-huh. And this was a rewatch for me, too. It really kind of... I think one of my most consistent notes was like, God, this is a good origin story. Like, this is a great origin story.
00:43:20
Micah
Mm-hmm.
00:43:20
Ryan
um But I'm the most curious to hear about Shauna's because this was your first watch.
00:43:26
Shauna (she/her)
I really liked it, honestly. I thought it was very enjoyable in a way that I was not expecting, just because I do not have the...
00:43:33
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
00:43:36
Shauna (she/her)
like I just don't... And again, maybe it's just my perception of the way everybody talked about like this like era of Marvel movies, but honestly, I thought... I wish that it was promoted with how it started in that kind of...
00:43:51
Shauna (she/her)
like I feel like they felt they couldn't give the game away of what it was, But also it really did it at a disservice in hindsight of not having this kind of modern, like, you know, the like slacker turned actually like very competent person, but just enjoys being like with his like bestie friend who like is there mostly platonic, but also maybe not.
00:44:15
Shauna (she/her)
But like, you can't like.
00:44:16
Ryan
Yeah. I could have done without that, but we'll get into that. ah
00:44:21
Shauna (she/her)
Fair.
00:44:22
Ryan
Like, the I definitely went in the scene where they, like, meet her family, and she's like, when are you guys going to get married? and he's like, we're just friends. And then there's nothing else through the through the entire movie until the very end where I'm like, wait, are they trying to, like, make them be, like, romantic interests or whatever? Let them be friends. Okay.
00:44:40
Ryan
Anyway, so we're going to jump into the plot. So we are introduced to Sean in the beginning of the movie. We get a ah lovely little of sort of flashback ah that tells us about this scary man and his powerful bangles.
00:44:58
Ryan
They're not rings, they're bangles, and I cannot believe that we have to call them rings.
00:44:58
Micah
yeah
00:45:04
Ryan
Rings go on your fingers, bangles go on your arms. And he has 10 bangles.
00:45:07
Micah
Well, it's it's a ring shape.
00:45:10
Ryan
Don't ingress me.
00:45:11
Micah
Okay.
00:45:11
Shauna (she/her)
All bangles are rings, but not all rings are bangles.
00:45:13
Micah
with Withdraw.
00:45:13
Ryan
So are bangles.
00:45:13
Micah
um
00:45:17
Micah
Withdraw, in Your Honor.
00:45:19
Ryan
Thank you. So, um...
00:45:21
Shauna (she/her)
That's what that one semester of law school gets me. Heyo, callback.
00:45:26
Ryan
Motion to change the name of the movie, Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Bangles. Can I get a second?
00:45:33
Shauna (she/her)
Bang!
00:45:34
Ryan
Thank you. Thank you. All right, so um we get this lovely...
00:45:38
Shauna (she/her)
That was supposed to be Alexi Mateo. That was that was where I was going for there.
00:45:42
Ryan
Oh, bam!
00:45:43
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, but bang!
00:45:44
Ryan
Bangles.
00:45:45
Shauna (she/her)
Because they're bangles.
00:45:45
Ryan
Yeah.
00:45:46
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, thank you.
00:45:46
Ryan
Yep, no, i got it. I got it. I picked it up.
00:45:48
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, just making sure.
00:45:48
Ryan
Thanks so much. Micah's not feeling it. So, Sean is introduced as a valet in San Francisco living a low-key life with his best friend, Katie.
Discussion on Shang-Chi's Characters and Action Scenes
00:46:01
Ryan
Let's start there. Pause there because Katie is played by Awkwafina.
00:46:06
Ryan
um
00:46:06
Shauna (she/her)
I'm like, that's where I was like, is that Awkwafina? Oh yeah, no, it is She sounds like that spider from the movie my kid likes. Yeah.
00:46:14
Ryan
Micah, I did see you Go full Aurora Monroe and I only saw the whites of your eyes when I said Katie.
00:46:23
Micah
Trash.
00:46:25
Ryan
Yeah, you know, and go ahead.
00:46:27
Micah
Here's my here's my thing, okay?
00:46:27
Ryan
Go ahead.
00:46:31
Micah
And this is going to be very, very specific to probably me, and that's fine. Not the part that where I don't like Awkwafina. That's, I think, I feel like a general consensus. Okay.
00:46:43
Ryan
sure
00:46:43
Micah
But what pisses me off even more, if you cannot tell, I'm a fan of everything, everywhere, all at once. So, seeing Stephanie Sue in this film in a minor role when she very well could have been cast as Katie and absolutely killed it pisses me off.
00:46:50
Ryan
Yes.
00:46:53
Ryan
Yes.
00:46:57
Ryan
Not even a minor role.
00:47:04
Ryan
Yep.
00:47:07
Micah
It pisses me off.
00:47:07
Ryan
T.
00:47:08
Micah
And if I never hear Awkwafina's voice ever again... i will be very happy.
00:47:15
Ryan
It's... That is a very good point. And I hadn't even considered that because I definitely took a note during that scene when I was like, is that the woman from everything everywhere all at once?
00:47:27
Micah
Piz.
00:47:27
Ryan
And then I looked and it sure was. And I was like, oh, it's so strange seeing her play this very demure, like kind of nothing character. And it my note about Awkwafina was that like,
00:47:41
Ryan
I haven't watched her on anything in a while. And I feel like she has definitely started to scale back her, um affectation and whatever. And so in this movie, after not seeing it after a while, I was like, Oh, I kind of find her endearing. Like, I don't like her. I don't think she's particularly a good actor.
00:48:01
Ryan
Um, but I wasn't as bothered by her as I was when I first saw her again. I was like, Oh, And then I kind of got over it. But yeah, Stephanie Sue would have been so much better.
00:48:12
Micah
Yeah. I was thinking about how to say this today, and i'm I won't apologize to anyone you know listening to this because I mean what I say, and I'm going to stand in the paint.
00:48:24
Micah
To me, Awkwafina is like the Taylor Swift of acting, where it's not horrible.
00:48:34
Ryan
okay
00:48:38
Micah
you know It's entertaining, but a little it's entertaining
00:48:42
Ryan
Sure.
00:48:42
Micah
But at the same time, it's the same thing every time. Like, it's one note.
00:48:47
Ryan
One note. One
00:48:49
Micah
And any time I see her in a movie where she's not appropriating what she considers Black culture, um it's just Awkwafina.
00:48:50
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:48:55
Ryan
Right.
00:48:59
Micah
Like, I can never see a character. It's just her yelling and making quirky asides and moving around erratically.
00:49:11
Ryan
Wow, Stephanie Su would have added such a fucking depth to that character.
00:49:16
Micah
I would have been rooting for them to get married by the end of the film. Like...
00:49:20
Ryan
yes. Yes.
00:49:22
Shauna (she/her)
She's very Zooey Deschanel like we're just like I'm a quirky girl look how quirky I am.
00:49:26
Ryan
move
00:49:29
Micah
i
00:49:30
Ryan
Yeah, yep.
00:49:31
Shauna (she/her)
My thing is I'm quirky. Yeah, like.
00:49:35
Micah
It's just...
00:49:37
Shauna (she/her)
This is the girl in the grocery aisle where she puts the thing on her head and she's like ah like
00:49:41
Ryan
It's like, I'm so so crazy.
00:49:42
Micah
Like, she's so crazy. and it's, I will give her this.
00:49:44
Ryan
So crazy.
00:49:46
Micah
I will give her this. Towards the end of the film, when they're having more serious conversations, I did see something. Like, she was actually emoting.
00:49:56
Ryan
Yes.
00:49:59
Micah
And, you know, it was just this subtle performance where I was like, okay, girl, like, it's there. like do, yeah, do more of that.
00:50:07
Ryan
That was when I took that note.
00:50:10
Shauna (she/her)
I liked her plot. Yeah. Like I liked her story notes. I thought they were a very good. Like I appreciate, I appreciate that as someone a again, who dropped out of first semester of, know, law school. Like, I love that.
00:50:23
Shauna (she/her)
Please enjoy your valet life. Good for you.
00:50:26
Ryan
And the, you know, there was a couple of of moments and I, you know, we're definitely jumping around a little bit but there's a couple of moments where there's quotes that are sort of given to her, directed to her that I was like, yeah. Yeah. there are so many of us that are actually disconnected with their culture.
00:50:40
Ryan
And that is more about Katie than Awkwafina. But then it is also kind of about Awkwafina who just performs a different culture than her own.
00:50:42
Micah
And
00:50:48
Ryan
And it's like, I don't know, maybe that's why it was better to have her than Stephanie Sue because there was that additional layer of being like, we all kind of see Awkwafina as this fucking goof that like is not to be taken seriously.
00:51:04
Ryan
And by the end I did, I took a note. I was like, okay, I knowt i don't, I don't, I'm not as annoyed with her as I thought I would be. So um great little side, side combo there gang. I'm glad we we addressed it. So Katie and ah Sean are on their bus ride to work.
00:51:25
Ryan
and uh some members of what we learned to be the 10 rings organization attack sean and he pulls out some uh some stunts some flips some some tricks and um it's really cool we get it we find it we get this first glimpse of like oh he's not what we think he is um and they're they want his pendant uh that's what they tell us pretty much right away um But yeah, what did we think about this first major action sequence?
00:52:02
Shauna (she/her)
That dude has a blade for his arm.
00:52:06
Ryan
It's a razor, actually, for his fist.
00:52:06
Micah
Razor fist.
00:52:09
Shauna (she/her)
Razor fist.
00:52:10
Ryan
You'll notice his license plate was not blade arm. It was razor fist.
00:52:16
Shauna (she/her)
Not gonna call him that.
00:52:18
Ryan
That's fine.
00:52:19
Shauna (she/her)
Taser face! Razor fist! Like, okay.
00:52:24
Micah
um It was definitely...
00:52:24
Ryan
um
00:52:27
Micah
it definitely sucked you in. Like, I think...
00:52:29
Ryan
Yes.
00:52:30
Shauna (she/her)
in
00:52:30
Micah
you know, Marvel yeah sucked you in like that pigtail. Um, Marvel has definitely tried to like give us new action sequences, but like this is on a much smaller scale.
00:52:35
Shauna (she/her)
so
00:52:36
Ryan
Aliens.
00:52:45
Micah
Like this isn't, you know, new York versus in aliens.
00:52:49
Ryan
a
00:52:49
Micah
This is, we are on a city bus and everybody is confused as hell. Um, I want, I want someone's filming Clev, love some Clev.
00:52:53
Ryan
great
00:52:55
Shauna (she/her)
And someone's filming it, like...
00:53:00
Shauna (she/her)
Clev.
00:53:00
Ryan
um Alex Snyder. Alex Snyder.
00:53:02
Micah
yeah
00:53:03
Ryan
I sent him a video.
00:53:03
Micah
i want
00:53:04
Ryan
Sorry, go ahead, Micah, please.
00:53:06
Micah
I want to know why the bus driver was wearing headphones while he was driving.
00:53:11
Ryan
Oh, baby, that's what they do. you You want to hear what people are talking about on the bus, girl?
00:53:13
Micah
yeah i mean, i don't, but in New York State, that's illegal.
00:53:17
Ryan
No. They're in San Francisco. Okay,
00:53:20
Micah
I know, but it can, anyway. um And then, you know, they just gave that man a concussion.
00:53:23
Ryan
you're like...
00:53:26
Micah
he hit his head ah on that steering wheel, passed out. And, you know, then it was just hell from there.
00:53:29
Ryan
Yeah.
00:53:32
Micah
Y'all destroyed that poor girl's laptop. Like it was yeah all those cars.
00:53:35
Ryan
all those cars, things got bad.
00:53:38
Micah
That's how I know I'm an adult because I'm stressed out by all those things. Like I'm trying to get to work and now there's,
00:53:41
Ryan
Same. What if I was just getting coffee?
00:53:44
Shauna (she/her)
This man just punched my laptop with his bucket, like, not to be confused with a blade arm.
00:53:49
Ryan
His razor arm.
00:53:50
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:53:51
Ryan
His blade arm.
00:53:51
Micah
yeah
00:53:53
Shauna (she/her)
Don't call it a blade arm. It's been here for years.
00:53:55
Ryan
Don't call it a comeback and I won't call it blade arm.
00:53:55
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:53:59
Micah
Oh, yeah.
00:53:59
Ryan
One of my notes in that was um that...
00:54:05
Ryan
ah Bus driver definitely would have been Stanley if he were still alive. And they were still forcing to
00:54:09
Micah
oh Yeah.
00:54:10
Ryan
That would have been Stanley.
00:54:12
Micah
yeah
00:54:12
Shauna (she/her)
Boy, that's a different...
00:54:12
Ryan
Yeah.
00:54:14
Shauna (she/her)
Well, and I think, again, with...
00:54:14
Ryan
Yeah.
00:54:15
Shauna (she/her)
I wish things like that scene were in the... tra like Because I feel like they made it seem like this very kind of traditional, like, you know, the aesthetic of the, like...
00:54:30
Ryan
Talo.
00:54:30
Shauna (she/her)
not What's the place called?
00:54:31
Shauna (she/her)
Tallow, thank you.
00:54:32
Ryan
Talo.
00:54:32
Shauna (she/her)
i was like, not... not Yeah. Not...
00:54:34
Ryan
Yeah, not Kung Lao, which is Mortal Kombat.
00:54:35
Shauna (she/her)
non Right, not that, but like, well, but also like, but also I think that that's kind of one of those things where I do wonder, not that you can't have two stories like this in the Marvel Universe, because you absolutely can, but also I feel like this movie really missed having the name recognition of just making it a different Iron Fist, and just if everything else was the same, and you just had it be...
00:55:01
Shauna (she/her)
a different, not Danny Rand, but like a, or even have it to be Asian Danny Rand, who cares? I don't care. Why I call whatever his name is? It doesn't matter. But like...
00:55:08
Ryan
Yeah.
00:55:09
Shauna (she/her)
I think that if you had done that, I feel like it would have done better. And i not to say that they made a mistake in not doing that or that they should, because again, i don't that is not the yeah perspective I have, but also I do you think it did hurt in the grand scheme of the ways in which introducing Iron Fist is a major player and would have helped them in the grand scheme of advancing this era.
00:55:34
Shauna (she/her)
But it is what it is.
00:55:35
Ryan
yeah
00:55:38
Ryan
Totally. I did think something similar just around like, why, why did they choose Shang-Chi and not Iron Fist? Because i mean, again, not knowing enough about the similarity or the differences in their like power sets or whatever.
00:55:45
Shauna (she/her)
it
00:55:51
Ryan
um I think an uninformed person, I don't know, maybe they were like, we can have more than one Asian superhero, which I guess is oh the right.
00:55:57
Shauna (she/her)
Which, to like, absolutely, yes.
00:56:00
Ryan
Yeah. Right answer. It's just surprising that they didn't, I guess is maybe what it is, is like in a
00:56:05
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, maybe that...
00:56:07
Ryan
where we don't we got Black Widow after she died, like the fact that we have two Asian characters that are you know basically like Avengers or like you know part of major teams is really interesting.
00:56:13
Shauna (she/her)
Thank you.
00:56:24
Ryan
um And what made me think that, and as I'm kind of jumping back into the plot, when he's giving the background about what happened um or like his experience and like there were a couple parts of the flashbacks that I wanted to address.
00:56:39
Ryan
The first being when we see how, yeah, please.
00:56:40
Shauna (she/her)
oh Oh, was going to say, actually, before we move right along, I want to say also, I feel like the actual, but I feel that, and I guess this I feel the same way of the Eternals should have just been the, with Black Bolt, the Inhumans.
00:56:55
Ryan
Oh, the inhumans, interesting.
00:56:56
Micah
The inhumans.
00:56:57
Ryan
interesting
00:56:57
Micah
Yeah.
00:56:57
Shauna (she/her)
Like, the Eternals should have just been the Inhumans, and like, like it just it felt like they're trying they tried to reinvent the wheel in this era in a way that it just kind of Again, i and i'm a I'm a Marvel nerd.
00:57:10
Ryan
You are also naming Yeah.
00:57:12
Shauna (she/her)
like all like I read... and i had no I'd never heard of Shang-Chi. and um Again, that isn't to say that like you they have that's the only character I've never heard of.
00:57:17
Ryan
Yeah.
00:57:23
Ryan
Right, right.
00:57:23
Shauna (she/her)
But also, I feel like I can't be alone in not having necessarily had the background on this character. The Guardians of the Galaxy were the same way, where they made they elevated them up.
00:57:32
Ryan
sure
00:57:33
Shauna (she/her)
And I think that was ultimately the goal was to elevate this property, create something new.
00:57:37
Ryan
Yes.
00:57:38
Shauna (she/her)
And i think that is a positive goal.
00:57:41
Ryan
Agreed. And the the thing, though, that you mentioned is you talked about two controversial, if not arguably objectively bad adaptations. And so...
00:57:53
Ryan
it probably does make more sense to just do something similar enough that people won't feel completely bamboozled by introducing this type of character, but different enough that it's like, oh, this could have been the Inhumans. I don't think I had thought that about the Inhumans until you, I've never thought that until just now. It's basically kind of like the same, you know, and not the same plot, but like the same, uh,
00:58:18
Ryan
welcome to meeting this entire new race of of beings that have existed the whole time and we've never known about them and now here you are and they're up in space and now you get to know them and now there's way too many of them for you to try to learn in a three hour movie but that's our next one so hang tight while we while we carve out a few days for that fucking movie on X-Men
00:58:25
Shauna (she/her)
And they're up in space. Like, oh, they live on the other side of the moon. Cool.
00:58:41
Micah
We'll give you the
00:58:41
Shauna (she/her)
And Kumail Nanjiani's here.
00:58:43
Micah
We'll give you the answers next time.
00:58:46
Ryan
on x-men um so uh in the flashback so um in one flashback we see when ah shang chi's father and mother met uh in talo and they have this incredible beautiful choreographed fight scene and i did take this note one of them is just like i don't have the language for it but like something there's something so beautiful about that specific artistic style and, and Kung Fu and like, or martial arts or whatever the appropriate language is.
00:59:22
Ryan
um And then you add the additional color imagery and how it's shot and the stunts. And like, I never saw Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, but I just remember that being considered, you know, this incredible,
00:59:36
Ryan
um yeah, I've never,
00:59:40
Shauna (she/her)
word
00:59:40
Ryan
I've never seen it, but i've I remember it being like such a game changer.
00:59:42
Shauna (she/her)
I've never seen it actually other than in like I saw it no I never watched it I saw because I've seen it in the ways in which I know hmm
00:59:44
Ryan
It's
00:59:50
Ryan
like that. Yeah.
00:59:54
Ryan
But I've never watched it. I've never watched a movie.
00:59:56
Micah
If I can speak to that, and I will make it very brief, I saw a Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon in Theus, and that was the first time I fell in love with Michelle Yeoh, who coincidentally is also in this movie.
01:00:00
Ryan
Please. Uh-huh.
01:00:11
Micah
And I do not know, this is purely speculation, but I feel like she had an influence on that scene in particular, because it was very akin
01:00:11
Shauna (she/her)
Okay.
01:00:27
Micah
to Crouching Tiger in that, yes, it's martial arts, it's combat, but it's also dance. It's about movement and precision and like how your partner moves.
01:00:34
Ryan
Dance, yeah.
01:00:38
Ryan
Energy, yeah.
01:00:40
Micah
And it was just, that's the exact first thing when I thought, when I saw that scene, I was like, this is Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.
01:00:45
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, that had me sucked. I was so on the, like, I was not expecting that.
01:00:47
Micah
through
01:00:51
Shauna (she/her)
oh
01:00:51
Ryan
Yeah.
01:00:52
Shauna (she/her)
oh okay.
01:00:53
Micah
hundred
01:00:54
Shauna (she/her)
Like, again, everything, this movie just, like oh, yeah.
01:00:54
Micah
And it was...
01:00:54
Ryan
When...
01:00:56
Micah
It was somehow slutty.
01:01:00
Micah
It was very sexual.
01:01:00
Shauna (she/her)
I mean.
01:01:01
Ryan
Yeah, this movie...
01:01:02
Micah
And I loved it.
01:01:03
Ryan
Yeah.
01:01:04
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, like, I was watching it while, like, my partner was asleep, and, like, they, like, woke up at one point, and they, were like, started, like, and they were, like, they like kept watching like no no I should go back to bed but like i i i want I want to know more I want to watch this again with you like was like their reaction yeah like but and I think that speaks to exactly where this movie i I think it is absolutely I feel like it's the opposite of Black Widow I think it's an absolute shame that this kind of got so hidden and is is so not a part of the greater you know world of
01:01:19
Ryan
It's beautiful. my
01:01:33
Ryan
yeah
01:01:38
Shauna (she/her)
Marvel, but I think there's such a possibility with like the magical elements and the
01:01:43
Ryan
Yes. um And that was my note. My note was like, the this is the impact of Crouching Tiger. Like, I know that there's obviously been, you know, traditional Kung Fu movies and before and after, but like,
01:01:56
Ryan
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was a game changer in cinema in terms of how it was filmed and what it introduced into the contemporary you know conversation about art and to see it and again, have Michelle Yeoh have her own moment again later.
01:02:00
Micah
Mm-hmm.
01:02:12
Ryan
like if if If it wasn't her direct influence, it was her influence by way of that film that impacted the movie and then having her in there adds just this additional layer um so yeah we we also get a flashback of how basically uh shang chi as we learn his his real name and they have a very funny scene where she kind of roasts him for changing his name from sean to shang chi like totally fair roasted only she can make like that's a that is an in community joke that i don't think that any of us are allowed to make but it was funny to observe um but
01:02:40
Micah
Fair, fair.
01:02:54
Ryan
There, ah we see how he was trained and, um you know, this like really intense battle. And we also learn about his sister and um they're on their way to meet her because Shang-Chi got this, ah this postcard and blah, blah, blah.
01:03:10
Ryan
um And it all turns out to be an elaborate trap. But um when she, when they're talking on the plane and they're like showing the flashback of,
01:03:23
Ryan
him going through training, he was in this like yellow ah um training suit basically. And it kind of looked like a little bit like, um
01:03:35
Ryan
what is the like iconic martial artist? It's not Bruce Lee.
01:03:40
Micah
Bruce Lee.
01:03:40
Shauna (she/her)
Bruce Lee.
01:03:41
Ryan
Thank you. um It kind of looked a little Bruce Lee-ish. And so I was like, oh, is this some type of nod to like some Did he wear like a yellow suit in his early days? And so I Googled it and oh no, it's not that.
01:03:56
Ryan
um My notes were, is that yellow suit? He's wearing a nod to some type of classic suit. And then I Googled it and um as it turns out, it's racist. It's just the, well,
01:04:10
Ryan
the The yellow suit is not racist, but it did lead to something racist, which was when Shang-Chi was originally introduced, he was named the Yellow Claw, and he was literally yellow tinted. He was like a gold person.
01:04:24
Ryan
um So, right? This is why we can't have these things.
01:04:27
Micah
Well... Okay.
01:04:31
Ryan
Okay.
01:04:31
Shauna (she/her)
But again, and Okay. You know what? Yeah. I guess...
01:04:37
Ryan
And it's better now.
01:04:40
Micah
I...
01:04:40
Ryan
Go ahead, Sean.
01:04:41
Shauna (she/her)
I mean, wasn't there another one like that that had something where, like, they changed the name to a very, to like, oh, that's so much better from this very obviously racist origin.
01:04:52
Shauna (she/her)
And I'm trying to think.
01:04:53
Ryan
Probably for sure.
01:04:54
Micah
Statistically, yeah.
01:04:54
Shauna (she/her)
I'm just, I'm like, yeah, but I'm just, no, right. And I'm just like, I'm blinking on, there was one that i remember that I was like, oh yeah, no, that's, I'm glad that's not that anymore.
01:05:04
Ryan
Yeah.
01:05:04
Shauna (she/her)
That's, that's fair.
01:05:06
Micah
speaking of that flashback happening on the plane and this is just something that has bothered me ever since i first saw that movie your valet in san francisco um katie lives with her family how the hell did you afford two plane tickets to macau like at the drop of a hat
01:05:07
Ryan
Um,
01:05:30
Ryan
drop everything yeah well let's take into consideration she lives with her family so she's not paying rent uh probably as a ah means to be able to save yeah they didn't really
01:05:41
Shauna (she/her)
Wait, did she pay for them?
01:05:44
Micah
Who knows? They just said.
01:05:45
Shauna (she/her)
Well, because I felt like he probably had some kind of something that he had found a way to make money for and maybe just had like a secret, like, you know, former member of a criminal organization fund bank account that he never touched and just like...
01:06:03
Ryan
I took it that she bought it because she made the whole point. She was like, no, I'm coming with you. You're not going to Macau by yourself. um So maybe she was just really pushy and asked for it. But I did think the same thing. i was like, I could not buy a plane ticket. If you said we have to go right now, I'd be I know what to tell you, babe.
01:06:19
Ryan
Like you got miles.
01:06:20
Shauna (she/her)
Also, if my best friend I just found out was like this like incredible martial artist and just got attacked by multiple assassins and he's like, well, I've got to go face more assassins to help my sister.
01:06:31
Shauna (she/her)
i would be like, well, you have good luck with that because what the fuck am I going to do?
01:06:33
Micah
Mm-hmm.
01:06:34
Ryan
right share your location
01:06:35
Micah
Make sure you text me.
01:06:35
Shauna (she/her)
Other than get in the way and possibly get hurt.
01:06:38
Micah
Text me when you land.
01:06:39
Shauna (she/her)
I'm not going to be like, yeah, i was like, i'm not going to be like, and we should be like a, like a buddy cop comedy here of like, maybe this dynamic is not what I am needed and can provide here.
01:06:51
Shauna (she/her)
However, I wish you luck.
01:06:51
Ryan
one one of my notes was like wow thank god there's all these driving side quests for katie because like she drives to talo she drives the bus like Okay, got it.
01:07:05
Ryan
She's got to prove her point. She's here. she's here for a reason.
01:07:08
Micah
I'm helpful. Mm-hmm.
01:07:10
Ryan
Right, exactly. So they travel to Macau. They go to this fighting ring to meet his sister. um Here are some of my notes.
01:07:21
Ryan
um I just watched She-Hulk. I had just watched She-Hulk like a few weeks ago and seeing the Abomination crossover from the other side is really, really fun and cute. um Did you watch She-Hulk yet, Sean?
01:07:33
Ryan
I like I've asked you this a month.
01:07:33
Shauna (she/her)
Oh yeah, no, I did i did watch She-Hulk because that was a No, no, I did absolutely...
01:07:37
Ryan
Yeah.
01:07:38
Shauna (she/her)
was all on board.
01:07:41
Ryan
So then they have this big, okay, we're going fight. And Simulu has to take his shirt off. And my note was, I wonder if Simulu is naturally smooth or if they made him shave because he has the tiniest little happy trail. Like the tiniest little happy trail.
01:08:00
Ryan
Of course I noticed that.
01:08:00
Micah
I'm just imagining you pausing and being like, just gotta, I'm just gonna, I just gotta to make sure.
01:08:07
Ryan
What's the stubble count on that?
01:08:08
Shauna (she/her)
I'm here.
01:08:10
Ryan
Right, what's... No, that's natural. That's natural. I don't see enough stubble. That's natural. But... ah There is another note about me objectifying Simulud much later. But...
01:08:25
Ryan
by we are introduced to his absolute fucking brick shithouse bad bitch sister, Xu Xiaoleng. Xu Xiaoleng.
01:08:40
Ryan
ah She is sporting bob. bob?
01:08:48
Micah
What's your name? B-O-B. So they calling you Bob.
01:08:51
Ryan
It is a fuck-ass bob.
01:08:54
Micah
With the bang.
01:08:54
Ryan
Stiff wear.
01:08:55
Micah
With the bang.
01:08:56
Ryan
With the
01:08:57
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:08:58
Micah
Girl.
01:08:58
Ryan
And then she smokes her brother. She absolutely wrecks his shit, uh, and knocks him unconscious. And the fight, again, another really cool fight scene that's, like, very brief.
01:09:11
Ryan
Um, and, we we, she knocks him out, they bring him back, and we get a little bit of the backstory about Sha Ling, where we learn, excuse me, that, um,
01:09:27
Ryan
We learned that their mom died and that it was ah quite traumatic for them. And he basically abandoned her and left her alone for six years.
01:09:38
Ryan
um And he...
01:09:39
Shauna (she/her)
Which I, that felt like a very, that felt like one of those, like, this is only happening because of the plot. Not like, I just, I was like that part where you are being trained to be this like X, Y, and Z, like, you know, future head of criminal or whatever, whatever.
01:09:47
Ryan
Yes.
01:09:59
Shauna (she/her)
And you're like, I can't do it.
Exploring Father-Son Dynamics and Fight Scenes
01:10:02
Shauna (she/her)
I'm just going to leave, abandon all my responsibility. And the father's like, this is fine.
01:10:05
Ryan
Yeah.
01:10:08
Shauna (she/her)
bye
01:10:09
Ryan
We get that a little bit later, but, you know, we do, we get this, we see a little bit more into their dynamic. um And as they are starting to, like, kind of realize that they've been set up, the Ten Rings come and we get another massive fight scene.
01:10:35
Ryan
like multi-layered, multi-tiered, multi-room fight scene and that was just again, truly incredible.
01:10:46
Ryan
um My first note was like, I don't think I could even step outside onto that scaffolding, especially the bamboo scaffolding. Like, what you met what do you mean this shit is tied together with ropes?
01:10:59
Ryan
I need science. I need heat involved. I don't know how the fuck I'm supposed to trust this, but it's
01:11:06
Micah
i need galvanization i need chemical processes like i and need a handrail i need osha um
01:11:06
Ryan
um
01:11:09
Ryan
I'm from America.
01:11:12
Ryan
I need to know that this shit is solid.
01:11:17
Ryan
Where's OSHA?
01:11:19
Micah
Because this shit makes no sense.
01:11:19
Ryan
Where's OSHA? That's what I want to know.
01:11:22
Micah
And then on that point, and also on Shauna's point, here come fuck ass Katie.
01:11:23
Ryan
Yes.
01:11:29
Micah
Why are you even, let's be honest.
01:11:31
Ryan
Go.
01:11:32
Micah
Let's be honest.
01:11:32
Ryan
Go.
01:11:33
Micah
You need to be behind me. 10 feet, preferably.
01:11:39
Ryan
Just go hide.
01:11:40
Micah
Something, because yes, we got to go.
01:11:42
Shauna (she/her)
Run away with all the other people.
01:11:44
Micah
Yeah, we're going out this way. That's fine. But we got to clear a path because you can't do shit. And here you are 30 stories off the ground, like the worst stripper in Alabama on a Tuesday screaming for your life.
01:11:57
Ryan
ah
01:12:00
Micah
And now I got to deal with this. I don't. It's too much.
01:12:03
Ryan
That was too much.
01:12:04
Micah
It's too much.
01:12:04
Ryan
It was too much.
01:12:05
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, those pools are scary.
01:12:05
Ryan
When she was... When she was on that, yes, I was so scared.
01:12:08
Shauna (she/her)
Being up there that high. Get out of here.
01:12:11
Ryan
i was like, I don't know. i would, if I, oof. Obviously, I can't even, like, I can't think of words for what I would do because it was so fucking scary.
01:12:21
Micah
It would have been a wrap for me.
01:12:23
Ryan
Yeah, I'm just letting go. Like, I can't do it anymore!
01:12:24
Micah
but I've been like, you know what? Get me off of this pole. And then, you know, I was wrong. Go ahead and give me a ticket back. um It's been great spending time with you.
01:12:32
Ryan
Right. I'll cover for you at work.
01:12:35
Micah
I'll catch you in San Fran. Bye, girl.
01:12:37
Ryan
Right. um Shauna, what'd you think of this giant, this fight scene?
01:12:43
Shauna (she/her)
It was fun. i really enjoyed it and I thought it was a very...
01:12:45
Ryan
Yeah.
01:12:47
Shauna (she/her)
I appreciated the like the line where she's like, well, you left me. Or i like I left you like you left me. And I was like, that's fair.
01:12:54
Ryan
Yes.
01:12:56
Micah
Mm-hmm.
01:12:56
Ryan
Gotcha.
01:12:56
Shauna (she/her)
You know, valid. But you still came back because you're not like awful.
01:12:58
Ryan
Yeah.
01:13:00
Shauna (she/her)
like It really made it... like
01:13:03
Ryan
Yes. It was a nice, okay, we've acknowledged the harm you did. I've moved, like, I paid you back and it kind of feels like they just don't really worry about it from there on out.
01:13:14
Ryan
They're just like on the same page about, okay, things are bad.
01:13:16
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:13:18
Ryan
um i did the um scene where he's fighting the Chinese taskmaster who I like, we never got that character's name, but it's just taskmaster again in this movie.
01:13:35
Ryan
Um,
01:13:36
Shauna (she/her)
Wait, is it? No, wait, no.
01:13:37
Ryan
No, it's not.
01:13:38
Micah
Didn't
01:13:39
Ryan
It's like, it's...
01:13:39
Shauna (she/her)
I had to, like, think about it. I was like, wait, no, wait,
01:13:42
Micah
they call him like the general or something?
01:13:42
Ryan
Just no-name, B-list villain. Yeah, I don't remember. But the scene where they are fighting right before Wenwu when the dad comes and...
01:13:53
Ryan
um and i they're like fighting in front of this giant neon screen and it's like hyper pop colors. And I was like, this is so fucking cool.
01:14:03
Micah
yeah
01:14:06
Ryan
This is beautifully shot, staged, all of it. It was really, really remarkable.
01:14:15
Ryan
And then his dad comes and things go left. He brings them to the 10 rings compound. This is where I wrote my note. Oh my God, the 10 rings are actually just Scarlet Witch's bangles.
01:14:28
Ryan
So in Marvel Rivals, the Scarlet Witch gets a power up where she has like these circles all handling around her and we have all this, we call them her bangles.
01:14:41
Ryan
And so it's Scarlet Witch and the Legend of the Ten Bangles.
01:14:48
Ryan
a
01:14:49
Micah
The crossover we didn't know we needed.
01:14:51
Ryan
Exactly. so Uh, blah, blah, blah. When Wu's introduces the wielder of the 10 mystical rings, he brings them back to the compound and starts to let them in on his little plot that he believes their deceased mother Yingli is alive and calling to him from her ancestral home, Lo.
01:15:11
Ryan
He wants to invade the village to rescue her. And, uh, they quickly are like, well, that seems suspicious and make a plan to escape. where we meet Trevor Slattery, the Mandarin from Iron Man 3, which I didn't watch ah before this, I don't think. So I was like, okay, cute.
01:15:36
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, no.
01:15:36
Ryan
oh
01:15:37
Shauna (she/her)
So having... That was the movie I watched way back when.
01:15:39
Ryan
Yes.
01:15:40
Shauna (she/her)
And I remember it being, like, they made this, like, you know, because, again, the Mandarin was the, like, big Iron Man villain of that era. Like, of the era preceding, like, he was, like, in, like, Marvel Legend.
01:15:53
Shauna (she/her)
Like, all of those kinds of, like, Ultimate Alliance. Like, he was, like, a bad guy in that. Like, that was...
01:15:57
Ryan
Yeah.
01:15:58
Shauna (she/her)
He was someone. And then they're like, wait, they just made this up like a fucking like joke that he is this just paid actor. Like, really? That was the route. they Like, and i I was not a fan of that plot. So for them to kind of come back and actually like, no, no, it was both.
01:16:16
Shauna (she/her)
You're right. What an insult that was. And here. And I love the way that they kind of explain that. But also another thing that they could have done a better job of talking about in the advertisement for the movie of like, because I know they didn't want to give away the like game that this guy was going to be in it and that like, but also actually talking about like this being like, I think really playing up the fact that it was that
01:16:27
Micah
Mm-hmm.
01:16:34
Ryan
Yeah.
01:16:42
Shauna (she/her)
he is actually you know for essentially the Mandarin, like this big bad of Iron Man, just not going to call him that for a lot of reasons.
01:16:46
Ryan
Yeah. Exactly.
01:16:52
Shauna (she/her)
And like, I appreciate that. Like, Oh yeah.
01:16:56
Ryan
Yeah. It was a cool switch.
01:17:00
Micah
I think...
01:17:00
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah. Cause I remember like when I started watching, it i was like, wait, is this the fucking Mandarin? Like, is he actually like the, like, I didn't even like think of that until I was like, Oh, like, like, but wait for like, they never said his name. And I was like, Oh, I bet. Like, and,
01:17:12
Shauna (she/her)
Yes, but no, but yes.
01:17:13
Micah
I think they could have used that conversation at the dinner where he's like almost laughing about how ridiculous it was.
01:17:14
Ryan
Chicken dish.
01:17:22
Micah
Like, I think he says, ah he says the line, you know, he named himself after his favorite, you know, Chinese dish. Like, I feel like they could have done one of those trailers where it's just like, you know, snippets from the movie. You don't actually see Win Woo, but you hear this conversation, just snippets of it to get that question of like,
01:17:43
Micah
wait a minute, are we meeting the actual Mandarin? Because the like you said, Sean, that would have like pulled people in and been like, but there was no Mandarin.
01:17:48
Ryan
Right.
01:17:55
Micah
It was a fake character.
01:17:56
Ryan
Right.
01:17:57
Micah
So now you're saying it's real? Question mark. Here we go.
01:18:01
Ryan
Yes. And what's most important out of all of this is Morris.
01:18:08
Micah
Would die for Morris.
01:18:10
Ryan
I would die for Morris.
01:18:12
Micah
I don't know where your face is.
01:18:12
Ryan
I...
01:18:13
Micah
I will die for you.
01:18:14
Ryan
And he's sensitive about it.
01:18:15
Shauna (she/her)
He's very sensitive about that, yeah.
01:18:16
Micah
Yes.
01:18:18
Ryan
Like, when I tell you that's Toad, like, that's just Toad.
01:18:21
Ryan
Like, Toad is toad is my Morris. ah The best fucking little creature to have been ever introduced in any Marvel film, including Rocket and Groot.
01:18:21
Shauna (she/her)
It's so...
01:18:33
Ryan
I would tear Rocket in half for Morris, if I'm being honest with you. um
01:18:38
Micah
Brave.
01:18:40
Ryan
so Morris leads us to Talo through a wild maze of of trees and things. And ah we are graced with the presence of Academy Award winner Michelle Yeoh
Introduction to Talo and Mystical Elements
01:19:00
Micah
Auntie. auntie
01:19:00
Ryan
as Auntie Ying Nan.
01:19:05
Ryan
who basically gives us, ties this the world together, like starts to really weave it all together that um she is not,
01:19:17
Ryan
actually calling to him from beyond from talo he is being manipulated by the one who dwells in darkness we get this very cool story about the great protector and their big dragon who is so fucking cool um and uh though there were a couple of things that i was just curious um So I just, I want to go through my notes.
01:19:45
Ryan
This is where you can tell things were starting to get a little unhinged. um I was just getting recklessly stoned and it goes, the maze to Tal-o.
01:19:56
Ryan
Thank God for all these driving side missions for Katie. The music of Tal-o is so pretty and cool. oh my God, all caps, all the little Morrises, because we get to see more Morrises, heaven.
01:20:09
Micah
and they just And they just greet him.
01:20:10
Shauna (she/her)
Thank you.
01:20:11
Micah
We don't know how long he's been there. And they're like, oh hi, girl.
01:20:14
Ryan
Michelle and auntie says, look who made his way back home. So he's been missing. They knew they'd been waiting for Morris to return. um Then Michelle, yo in all caps.
01:20:29
Ryan
Okay. So the dwellers in darkness, I wonder if that will come back up. Like, I'm very curious if we'll ever get some, you know, it's very soul eater, demonic, multi-dimensional, like multi-realm type stuff.
01:20:43
Ryan
you know, curious if they come back. um And then the line that they say to Katie, if you aim at nothing, you hit nothing.
01:20:53
Micah
You hit nothing.
01:20:56
Shauna (she/her)
That's me taking telling jokes. I get
01:20:58
Micah
fucking Fucking bars.
01:21:00
Shauna (she/her)
I'm just like, I'm aiming everywhere. gonna hit something.
01:21:07
Ryan
And also fucking bars also took me down too, because it is a bar.
01:21:11
Micah
It's fucking it's fucking but bars.
01:21:11
Ryan
It's a fucking bar.
01:21:14
Micah
And i every time I watch that movie, I do the same thing.
01:21:14
Ryan
yeah yeah i wrote it down it matter it mattered that much to me if you aim at nothing you hit nothing um
01:21:18
Micah
I'm like, yes.
01:21:26
Shauna (she/her)
It's great. It is a really, but really it is a great line and such a great way to think about what we're doing in like life. And especially as someone who is very aimless and like, I get,
01:21:35
Ryan
yes yes it felt very poignant to hear that at that moment in time um So my next notes, I'm trying to be attentive to the ring's origin, but we don't really ever get anything about it because they're also connected to the bang the actual Bangles from Ms. Marvel.
01:21:58
Ryan
um And then my final two notes for this segment, the Bangles cinematic universe.
01:22:01
Shauna (she/her)
The Bengal cinematic universe.
01:22:03
Micah
The BCL.
01:22:06
Ryan
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. My final two notes, all caps, Michelle fucking Yeo in this training scene with Shang-Chi. Is there anything she's not incredible at?
01:22:18
Ryan
No.
01:22:19
Micah
No, the answer is no.
01:22:19
Ryan
Do you know she's not she's not formally trained in martial arts? It's just because she's done so many things.
01:22:23
Micah
But she is formally trained in dance.
01:22:27
Ryan
She is.
01:22:27
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm.
01:22:28
Ryan
And serving kind.
01:22:29
Micah
peep that because you know what my thing about her is whenever when the motherfuck ever they have her in the middle of some chaos a fight scene ah combat scene whatever they zoom in on her face and she is the most un-motherfucking be bothered
01:22:41
Ryan
Yes.
01:22:49
Ryan
Mug.
01:22:51
Micah
She could be sitting on the beach having a Mai Tai with the exact same face, and she looks at you like, yes, yes, I am that bitch.
01:22:51
Ryan
Yeah.
01:23:00
Micah
And I will always respect her.
01:23:01
Ryan
Here comes this ass whooping. Here comes this ass whooping.
01:23:03
Micah
I will. Yes.
01:23:05
Ryan
Yup.
01:23:05
Micah
Let me tell you about yourself, actually.
01:23:07
Ryan
Yeah. And then my last note. Seeing Simu Liu in these linen pants, I just know it's fat. He's got a hog.
01:23:31
Shauna (she/her)
I just can't.
01:23:31
Ryan
I just, I know it's fat.
01:23:32
Shauna (she/her)
ah got nothing.
01:23:34
Ryan
I know it's fat.
01:23:34
Micah
ten 10 million years dungeon.
01:23:38
Ryan
ah yeah I'll see you guys so much. I'll see you guys later.
01:23:41
Shauna (she/her)
The ten cock rings of Shang-Chi.
01:23:41
Ryan
Because he needs 10 around that thing.
01:23:47
Micah
um
01:23:48
Ryan
That.
01:23:50
Micah
i
01:23:50
Ryan
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Inches Around.
01:23:54
Micah
i'm It's been great. um I'm just gonna go ahead and call my Uber.
01:24:03
Ryan
Yeah. Thanks so much for being here. um So, yeah. we We get to see them training in this mystical arts. Shang-Chi learns to blend his father's discipline fighting style with his mother's more fluid spiritual techniques.
01:24:20
Ryan
It's truly fucking beautiful. Again, another and incredibly choreographed scene as we begin to prepare for Wenwu's attack.
01:24:22
Micah
Mm-hmm.
01:24:33
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah. He's by Stan Shule.
01:24:35
Ryan
Yeah.
01:24:37
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:24:38
Ryan
He's bi-stantual.
01:24:40
Shauna (she/her)
Stan Shule. Yeah. Cause he has the multiple, you know, that's where I was going with it.
01:24:43
Ryan
Yep. If you aim at nothing, you get nothing.
01:24:47
Shauna (she/her)
That's fair.
01:24:47
Micah
I don't know.
01:24:47
Ryan
So just keep
01:24:48
Micah
I think you still hit nothing. um I'm kidding.
01:24:51
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, no, that's no, look, they're not all winners.
01:24:51
Micah
I'm kidding. I'm just a gas fan. I'm just a gas fan.
01:24:55
Shauna (she/her)
They're not all winners.
01:24:56
Micah
It was fair.
01:24:57
Shauna (she/her)
Like I was, I'm just trying to, no, I was trying to like, oh, he's bisexual. He's fluid like his mother, but he's very disciplined like his father. And so thus that combines to being like, there's a, like there was something there.
01:25:06
Micah
It was fair. it was it was fair
01:25:07
Ryan
Yeah, because
01:25:10
Shauna (she/her)
There's still something there. I believe in that, but I'm not sure. I, I agree with you. That wasn't it, but there's something, there's something.
01:25:16
Ryan
But what I will say is that I've never met a disciplined bisexual before. So that's, you're wrong in that regard, first and foremost.
01:25:21
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm.
01:25:24
Shauna (she/her)
Well, there's... And of course, who can... Alright, but... Alright, never mind.
01:25:31
Micah
Okay, so i'm gonna i'm gonna um' gonna I'm gonna go ahead and pick up the mic for this one, because I need to say this.
01:25:32
Ryan
yeah You did a little... Uh-huh.
01:25:38
Micah
I've been preparing myself to say this, and there's a natural segue for it, so listen. I'm not bisexual, okay?
01:25:43
Ryan
I'm thrilled.
01:25:46
Micah
I'm as gay as day is long.
01:25:46
Ryan
Okay, no one can make you say otherwise. Uh-huh.
01:25:50
Micah
day is long This movie put me in the most amount of bisexual distress I have been in since The Mummy.
01:26:03
Micah
Okay?
01:26:03
Ryan
Uh-huh.
01:26:04
Micah
Because Shang-Chi, smash.
01:26:07
Ryan
Uh-huh.
01:26:08
Micah
His sister, smash.
01:26:11
Ryan
ah her
01:26:12
Micah
Wenwu, smash.
01:26:12
Ryan
Michelle, you
01:26:15
Micah
ah Michelle Yeoh, Peg Me, Smash. I mean, The Great Protector, Smash.
01:26:19
Ryan
Yeah.
01:26:22
Micah
Like, there is... There was no relief for me in this film. and it was it was problematic.
01:26:28
Ryan
The relief came out.
01:26:32
Micah
yeah Okay?
01:26:34
Ryan
Uh-huh.
01:26:35
Micah
Razorblade, Armblade, Fist Shing, I don't know. um Smash. and Okay? Okay.
01:26:42
Shauna (she/her)
That thing has attachments. You gotta believe that.
01:26:43
Micah
but You know it does.
01:26:45
Shauna (she/her)
Absolutely.
01:26:46
Micah
Because he put on that dragon ah dragon blade a little bit too quickly. He was primed and ready to go.
01:26:51
Shauna (she/her)
Go, go, Gadget. Dildo. Yeah.
01:26:53
Micah
I know there's three bad dragons in his backpack, like, just waiting for it.
01:26:57
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm.
01:26:58
Micah
Okay? Am I allowed to say that?
01:27:00
Ryan
You are! i just ah hadn't thought about the the bad dragon, you know, dildo world in quite some time.
01:27:06
Micah
Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep. Well, you know.
01:27:09
Shauna (she/her)
Oh.
01:27:10
Ryan
My very first... I'm thrilled to find out what the fuck you think a natural segue is from that. But my very first note in my personal note is, okay, first of all, the dad is hot. Let's start there.
01:27:23
Micah
Let's say that.
01:27:25
Ryan
let Let's wait now.
01:27:25
Micah
Oh, also, mom smash. Like,
01:27:28
Ryan
Stunner.
01:27:29
Micah
ah
01:27:30
Ryan
Mug, mug, all these hoes, all these hoes are just muggy, muggy.
01:27:31
Micah
effortlessly, effortlessly.
01:27:35
Shauna (she/her)
Um, it's very attractive movie.
01:27:36
Micah
It made no sense.
01:27:38
Shauna (she/her)
No, really, like...
01:27:40
Micah
I mean, it made sense because in order to have two kids that look like that, you you can't, I mean, I know it's a movie, but you can't cast somebody who's not already, like, blowing the boots off.
01:27:44
Ryan
Yeah.
01:27:51
Micah
Like, come on now.
01:27:52
Ryan
Right, right. um So we do get a quick flashback to the mom's actual death where we see the descent into madness from Wenwu, how, you know, his wife's death.
01:28:09
Ryan
He basically, like all supervillains, if only I had not taken off these rings, I would have been able to save her. quite sad. quite sad um they do have an incredible interaction between Katie and shaang Shang Chi where um he reveals to her that he lied and that he did take on that first hit and he did kill the person, um but he didn't run away. he just stayed in America. um,
01:28:45
Ryan
and um he says, I'm going to what he trained me to do. I'm going to kill him. And when he says, I'm going to do what he trained me to do, his eyes immediately started watering. And I was like, you better fucking act, Simulu.
01:29:04
Ryan
You better fucking act. Why is this man not in every single movie that we are watching right
01:29:11
Micah
Everything.
Marvel Connections and Future Speculations
01:29:11
Ryan
now?
01:29:12
Ryan
when
01:29:12
Micah
Everything.
01:29:13
Ryan
is Shang-Chi going to fucking matter? And that is perhaps for the end of this conversation, but what the fuck?
01:29:23
Micah
and it's it's so disappointing because i was so excited at that post-credit scene where we are having these conversations with bruce banner we're having these conversations with captain marvel and i'm like yes okay fantastic so we've got the science side we've got the space side we've got the mystical side yes i'm gonna see you real soon spoiler
01:29:34
Ryan
Yeah.
01:29:39
Ryan
Great.
01:29:49
Ryan
so still still
01:29:50
Micah
Still. Still. No mention. No word.
01:29:53
Ryan
can't wait can't wait so um we get to the big battle uh the bad guys show up um we have a little bit of a fight between um the uh warriors of talo and the uh ten rings um And then ah we get a big fight between Shang-Chi and his father, wherein Shang-Chi does kind of get his ass whooped and he gets thrown into the water.
01:30:21
Micah
Beautiful.
01:30:29
Ryan
But just like some of the greatest heroes in all time, of all time, they are awoken by the voice of their mother while they are underwater.
01:30:41
Ryan
And then the great protector shows her pretty ass up.
01:30:46
Micah
smash
01:30:49
Micah
I won't be shamed for it.
01:30:51
Shauna (she/her)
Thank you.
01:30:51
Micah
I just won't. She was beautiful.
01:30:54
Ryan
Really actually beautiful. Like so so well designed, so well, like what a beautiful fucking like artistry.
01:30:58
Shauna (she/her)
so
01:31:03
Ryan
But um yeah, we get this, ah Like my notes, if the Great Protector is not on your side, girl, what the fuck do you think you're doing?
01:31:14
Ryan
Like, how, Wenwu, did you come to believe that you were... i mean, granted, again, manipulation, evil all that stuff. um
01:31:27
Ryan
So he starts punching this wall to try to get his wife out. And the soul eaters come out. And they collect enough souls that...
01:31:40
Ryan
The one who dwells in darkness is released. um Let's just talk about the chaos.
01:31:45
Micah
sma No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
01:31:47
Ryan
but Not the one who dwells in darkness.
01:31:47
Micah
I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Okay.
01:31:51
Ryan
That, I really liked this series of twists. Not only did we have this giant unstoppable evil, but the Ten Rings had to join forces with the warriors of Tal-Oh.
01:32:03
Ryan
And then they're all kind of just trying to fuck people up. um But yeah, I just, I feel like I've just been like, reciting what's happening and not pausing any thoughts around the great protector and that the scene with um the siblings kind of saving the day
01:32:21
Micah
i What I was really so entertained by, and I love it, was like this this so this whole film has just been people versus people, like on this very human, intimate scale.
01:32:37
Micah
And then you're in a fucking kaiju battle. And like...
01:32:40
Ryan
Yeah.
01:32:42
Micah
These two are going at it. Like when the great protector just straight up slams that bitch into the wall and like drags it up the cliff.
01:32:50
Ryan
Yes.
01:32:52
Micah
I was like, you know what?
01:32:52
Ryan
Yes.
01:32:54
Micah
Damn right.
01:32:55
Ryan
Deserved.
01:32:55
Micah
Damn right.
01:32:56
Ryan
Deserved.
01:32:57
Micah
Like deserved.
01:32:57
Ryan
Deserved.
01:32:59
Micah
And also then to follow up with like, oh, I'm just going to touch the water and then manipulate that to hold you. Yeah. Brute force fort and and just this beautiful energy.
01:33:07
Ryan
So cool.
01:33:11
Micah
It was just like Shang-Chi. Like, yes, you got your dad's side of violence and then you've got your mom's side of this beautiful mystical control.
01:33:13
Ryan
Yes.
01:33:18
Micah
It was 10 out of 10.
01:33:20
Ryan
Yes. So um the things that i I, one of the things that I took note of um when the dragon is coming out, so they kept they kept pointing out how um
01:33:38
Ryan
Shang-Chi's mother says, like, you have the heart of our dragon. And when the dragon is finally, you know, the dragon like kind of yields to Shang-Chi. Like there's clearly a connection between Shang-Chi and this dragon, but when she is flying around um and she like flies past Xiaoling, she like makes eye contact with her. And it very much so in my head, I just heard the dragon go, diva.
01:34:07
Ryan
And like, they kind of like recognized each other.
01:34:09
Micah
Yes.
01:34:09
Ryan
um but it's because she also has the fucking heart of that dragon. Like she is of the same lineage. Like whatever it is about Shang-Chi, she has it too in fucking spades because she had to discipline herself and do it all herself. And Shaolin is just like a really fucking badass, but, um,
01:34:33
Ryan
ah when he beats his father, um i wrote it's because he trained his father and his mother, but his father thought the powerful, the power was enough without the mom's technique.
01:34:47
Ryan
And then I realized, oh, it's gender. It's just gender. This is a story of gender, gender magic, gender conformity. Like obviously that's a huge part of it, but yeah,
01:35:01
Ryan
Watching his dad get his soul sucked out of him, l o l Yeah, well, because, you know, he gets the he gets that gawk-gawk from the Dweller in Darkness and gets his soul sucked out.
01:35:04
Micah
not lol
01:35:13
Micah
not the nancy rayden
01:35:14
Shauna (she/her)
So that's why that's why you don't pick Smash.
01:35:18
Ryan
That's exactly.
01:35:20
Micah
i mean
01:35:20
Ryan
Exactly.
01:35:21
Micah
i mean, i would like to die happy, but that's a little that's a little much.
01:35:22
Shauna (she/her)
Not about that.
01:35:25
Micah
ah
01:35:26
Ryan
Too much.
01:35:27
Micah
um You know, it's interesting to say like the gender magic, because I think that's what also made the sister so interesting. Because, yeah, she was expected to stay in her gender roles and ignored during training, but she took it upon herself.
01:35:41
Micah
So she crossed that line herself, and that's what made her so fucking powerful.
01:35:46
Ryan
Yes, agreed. um Okay, so we are getting sort of towards the end. um The second boss, we get a second boss evolution where...
01:36:02
Ryan
um all the soul eaters drop those souls into his open waiting mouth, which is kind of hysterical. They're always like...
01:36:09
Micah
Demon Bukkake.
01:36:16
Shauna (she/her)
I didn't say anything.
01:36:16
Micah
That's what it was.
01:36:16
Ryan
First of all...
01:36:18
Shauna (she/her)
kept my mouth...
01:36:20
Micah
That's what it was.
01:36:20
Shauna (she/her)
Unlike this demon, mine stayed very shut there.
01:36:20
Ryan
First of all...
01:36:26
Ryan
First of all, it would be soul bukkake, not, you know...
01:36:28
Micah
I mean, it was bukkakedemons.com.
01:36:30
Ryan
Uh-huh.
01:36:31
Micah
Let's just...
01:36:33
Ryan
Great. Shauna's homepage in the year 2023. Okay,
01:36:37
Shauna (she/her)
That's me.
01:36:38
Ryan
but
01:36:41
Ryan
um okay so ah Second Boss Evolution. um the bach the the one who dwells in darkness tries to eat the soul from the Great Protector.
01:36:54
Ryan
And we get a cute little redemption moment with Katie
01:36:57
Micah
that bitch had never touched a bow in her life. And she was there for 24 motherfucking hours, if that.
01:37:05
Ryan
Yeah.
01:37:06
Micah
And you're telling me that this broad nailed writhing, fucking, writhing flying demon creature in the neck precisely where it needed to be hit from damn near a quarter mile over the water. What was the wind, Katie?
01:37:22
Micah
what was What was the angle? Was the sun in your eyes? How much did you draw back?
01:37:26
Ryan
What's the drag on that?
01:37:27
Micah
How much strength did you need? Don't lie to me, bitch. You don't know what the fuck going on.
01:37:33
Ryan
Talo magic, baby. i thought the exact same thing. It really wasn't even like the aim of it all. Cause if you think about how big that bitch was, like that's kind of a hard target to miss. It was the fact that she got it to fly that far.
01:37:48
Micah
That far.
01:37:49
Ryan
Like, okay.
01:37:50
Micah
They were not by the shore at all.
01:37:50
Ryan
Talo magic. Talo magic.
01:37:53
Micah
For, for she has been, she had been there for 18 hours.
01:37:54
Ryan
That works to me.
01:37:57
Micah
Don't I'm tired.
01:37:59
Ryan
Yep. So ah the one who dwells in darkness is defeated. Everyone kind of stays dead, which is a bummer. I definitely was like, so no one gets their souls back.
01:38:11
Ryan
Yikes. Sorry, Wongbo. Sorry, gang. All that matters Michelle Yeoh survived. So um
01:38:19
Micah
And was knocking bitches around.
01:38:22
Ryan
really was, including Blado.
01:38:22
Micah
Just because if i get if I get hit in the chest with a bo staff and it doesn't kill me, I'm not getting back up. There's no conversation to be had.
01:38:31
Ryan
Yeah, I'm just going to
01:38:32
Micah
I'm just, no, I'm good.
01:38:35
Ryan
like Trevor. Trevor laid down and was like, you know what? I actually think it's best that I stay on the ground.
01:38:41
Micah
Correct. Correct.
01:38:41
Ryan
I'm not going to get up. Get down, Morris. Lay down with me. um Okay, so then there's, you know, everything is everything is cool. We win.
01:38:53
Ryan
We get um some beautiful cultural traditions and I'm obsessed with the dragon. um And the movie ends with Katie and Shang-Chi being summoned by Wong.
01:39:12
Micah
Benedict.
01:39:12
Ryan
And there being this sort of like, oh, cool. I guess he's going to be in the Marvel movies now. And he is not. um But my last kind of notes, um,
01:39:27
Ryan
The post-credits scene, obviously, we get to see that Shaoling has taken over the Ten Rings and has advanced some DEI policies with her Femme Fatale fighters.
01:39:42
Ryan
So we love to see it.
01:39:44
Micah
At the front. She said, ladies to the front.
01:39:46
Ryan
Right at the
01:39:48
Micah
Dicks to the back.
01:39:48
Ryan
Mm-hmm. Okay, ladies. Now let's get information.
01:39:54
Ryan
They play in Anderson Puck song at the end, which is a choice. I love Anderson Puck. um But the only other note I have in there is apparently um ah the sequel is called Shang-Chi and the Wreckage of Time.
01:40:12
Ryan
So
01:40:13
Micah
when was this an announced
01:40:15
Ryan
it was on IMDb, but it is confirmed that the copyright or something was taken out for it.
01:40:24
Ryan
So we know that there's some things with timelines and all that stuff coming up here eventually. um but yeah, um scale of of, remember when I tried to do scale of one to four whatever last time, Shauna?
01:40:41
Shauna (she/her)
God.
01:40:41
Ryan
For phase four, yeah. um So we're we're ranking our phase four movies. were We're giving them a grade um on a scale of one to 10.
01:40:52
Ryan
Let's be reasonable here.
01:40:52
Micah
Nice. That's what I prepare for.
01:40:54
Ryan
um okay great michael what would you rate chung chi yeah
01:40:59
Micah
Just like I hope that Simu is 8.5. eight point five
01:41:08
Shauna (she/her)
A reasonable seven, I think, is actually where I'm going to go.
01:41:11
Micah
said what I said.
01:41:13
Shauna (she/her)
what
01:41:13
Micah
Wait, the movie or...
01:41:15
Ryan
yeah yeah yeah not the hog
01:41:16
Shauna (she/her)
I said. what i said
01:41:22
Ryan
Those are both solid scores. I would probably both hog. I feel like the hog is the hog is.
01:41:31
Ryan
Fatter than it is long.
01:41:32
Micah
what
01:41:32
Ryan
If we're being honest.
01:41:33
Micah
Not a chode.
01:41:35
Ryan
No, I did not say Chode. I just don't think it's eight and a half.
01:41:39
Micah
You said fatter than it is long. That's a chode.
01:41:42
Ryan
I'm not talking disproportionately. I just mean it's like a thick six, maybe.
01:41:49
Micah
Okay.
01:41:49
Shauna (she/her)
and And how...
01:41:49
Ryan
It's a. My rating the movie is an eight.
01:41:53
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah. Okay.
01:41:55
Ryan
My rating of the movie is an eight.
01:41:55
Shauna (she/her)
So about six
01:41:59
Ryan
My rating of the movie is an eight. my ah My premonition, my gut instinct of what it looks like is a fatter around the middle six inches.
01:42:06
Micah
Uh,
01:42:13
Shauna (she/her)
Can we have like a That's So Raven cut in right now like you like me? Yeah.
01:42:18
Micah
ah
01:42:18
Ryan
Where it's just Simu Lu's dick pic.
01:42:22
Ryan
It's going to leak. didn't mean it like that. Okay. All We got to, we got we got to land this fucking plane, girls.
01:42:31
Shauna (she/her)
say wrap it up and I was going to make another joke, but continue.
01:42:33
Ryan
yeah No. Raw dogging it. Wrap it up. What is this? The nineties?
01:42:38
Micah
I'm never talking to you, Dylan.
01:42:46
Ryan
ah yeah, we give it a
01:42:47
Shauna (she/her)
You've covered a breadth of topics here on this podcast. And speaking of breath, right back to... Never mind.
01:42:53
Ryan
Yep. Width. Around. Diameter. um Okay, so let's talk a couple of of final topics. um Are you prepared for Doomsday, Micah? how are you How do you feel overall about phase four? What are you thinking about as we're going into phase five?
01:43:16
Micah
You know i I personally loved Phase 4. I think there were a lot of you know unfortunately, one-offs that gave us some really uncommon and really interesting stories. like I loved the Eternals.
01:43:35
Micah
um i thought it was a really, really beautiful and unpredictable story. um I don't know how I feel about phase five because, ah I just don't know what the fuck they're thinking, to be honest.
01:43:48
Ryan
Yeah. Endgame. Yeah.
01:43:52
Micah
I mean, it's, it's anybody's game at this point.
01:43:53
Ryan
yeah
01:43:54
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:43:56
Micah
Um, I'm really hoping they're not going to do something stupid with RDJ as doomsday.
01:43:56
Ryan
and game
01:44:00
Micah
Like, I hope it's just a false flag where, yeah, he's doomsday, but it's like the opening credits and then, you know, he gets blown up and then we find out, you know, he wasn't a real doomsday or something.
01:44:12
Micah
Um,
01:44:12
Ryan
yeah
01:44:14
Micah
But I am hopeful for, I want to see X-Men. i need, I've been waiting for Marvel to get their hands on the live action X-Men because I know they're going to take the time to do it right.
01:44:28
Micah
um But it feels really listless. Like I don't know where the universe is going. So I'm just waiting.
01:44:37
Ryan
Yeah, I think I feel kind of similarly, like just watching this again and being like, okay, cool. So we do have an Avengers team though now, because if we've seen Thunderbolts, like we do know who the Avengers are.
01:44:52
Ryan
So what is Shang-Chi's role going to be in the Avengers moving forward?
01:44:54
Micah
Yeah.
01:44:58
Ryan
Like we do have this mystical realm that has been introduced with, um, uh, Wanda and Agatha and Ironheart and Mephisto and all those things. So there is a place for him. i just don't understand where it will be so far.
01:45:18
Ryan
um But we know he'll be in Doomsday. My take on Doomsday, I think RDJ will be Dr. Doom, but I think he will be um Iron Man.
01:45:29
Ryan
I think he will still be like Tony Stark, but instead of becoming Iron man he builds a suit of armor around the world and becomes Dr. Doom and becomes like the Iron Monarch, I think is one of the characters.
01:45:40
Micah
Mm-hmm.
01:45:46
Ryan
Shauna, any and notes before we jump into our last couple questions?
01:45:51
Shauna (she/her)
I kind of am with you. I think I can see all that. I do wish that Phase 4 did more to set up in into Phase 5 because it really doesn't seem like, with the exception of Fantastic Four and the new Thunderbolts, that whole... I really just feel like it there was not a lot that felt like it was building towards this next era.
01:46:14
Shauna (she/her)
Like, even... like i mean, gosh, even... like Captain America Brave New World, I still felt like it was very just the sense of its place in the Marvel Universe didn't really feel connected because they didn't really seem like they knew where they were going with any of it.
01:46:28
Micah
Mm-hmm.
01:46:31
Shauna (she/her)
So they knew they had to do it, but they didn't really have anything. they They knew they should make this movie, but they didn't know why they were making it other than the fact that they should make it. And you could just tell this lack of overarching vision that has, I think, ultimately been a big part of phase four.
01:46:40
Ryan
Yes. Grant.
01:46:48
Shauna (she/her)
I'm really hoping they do rectify that moving into phase five. But that's really my feeling is that I think that there's a lot of these stories like, oh, magic is really a thing. Okay, but what does that mean?
01:46:59
Shauna (she/her)
Like, where what are where's that going in practice? Like, are we going to have a you know, Shang-Chi, Ironheart, and then the...
01:47:11
Shauna (she/her)
the two queer kids yeah like like are they all going to be together in a show maybe that'd be cool like
01:47:12
Ryan
mystical academy yeah strange academy is right there i mean we would
01:47:22
Shauna (she/her)
that is a thing yeah like that is like that would be cool like i am excited for that like i guess that's a really easy way obviously with um you know everyone's friends and the abominations there too like all right neat
01:47:35
Ryan
right um So what piece of nerd memorabilia would you steal from this movie? What what would you want to take home?
01:47:46
Shauna (she/her)
If you like it, you gotta put a ring on it.
01:47:48
Ryan
A bangle or two.
01:47:50
Shauna (she/her)
And maybe even all ten. Shit, why not while we're here?
01:47:53
Ryan
Shit, why not?
01:47:54
Shauna (she/her)
Also, the are the bangles in Marvel Rivals the ten rings? Because I feel like that would have been a really great way to kind of bring it all full circle.
01:48:03
Ryan
No, but I do, it's canon to me now.
01:48:03
Shauna (she/her)
Like...
01:48:07
Shauna (she/her)
Like bangle technology, yeah. Hmm.
01:48:09
Ryan
yeah
01:48:11
Micah
hey They have the technology. They've made it wound.
01:48:14
Ryan
They have the...
01:48:16
Micah
um
01:48:16
Ryan
They've got bangles.
01:48:18
Micah
um If I had to take one piece of memorabilia from this movie, it's going to be Michelle Yeoh.
01:48:26
Ryan
I was gonna say Moritz, so...
01:48:27
Shauna (she/her)
Mmm.
01:48:28
Micah
Danton?
01:48:29
Shauna (she/her)
Mmm. A stuffed Morris. Oh, again. a thing that should have existed is a Morris plush. Why isn't that a thing?
01:48:35
Micah
Do you...
01:48:37
Shauna (she/her)
ever Like, literally, like, ways in which they just are, like, leaving money on the table.
01:48:42
Micah
Because you they could of they could have run with that BB-8 from Star Wars.
01:48:42
Ryan
Yep.
01:48:43
Shauna (she/her)
Like...
01:48:47
Micah
like
01:48:48
Ryan
Yep.
01:48:48
Micah
Make Morris the frontrunner. Make him in the opening sequence when it's flipping the pages. Nobody knows what the hell that thing was, but there was something there.
01:48:56
Ryan
Great. Yep. Great point.
01:48:59
Shauna (she/her)
I agree. like And everyone would be like, look they they did things with, um even Captain, like an ah that with ah the Flurkin.
01:49:08
Ryan
Yes.
01:49:08
Micah
so yeah. Yeah.
01:49:09
Shauna (she/her)
i just saw the Christine Jorkitson show, so I had to make it sound like I was the Flurkin. But, yeah.
01:49:15
Ryan
Uh-huh. Great. Thanks, Christine Jorgensen.
01:49:19
Shauna (she/her)
I'm very good at languages.
01:49:19
Ryan
um
01:49:20
Shauna (she/her)
And i'm i'm im my impressions, spot on.
01:49:20
Ryan
You
01:49:24
Ryan
are... 10 out of 10.
01:49:24
Shauna (she/her)
Can't wait for the Snatch game. It's going to be wonderful.
01:49:26
Ryan
Can't wait. Oh, my God.
01:49:28
Shauna (she/her)
Oh my gosh, I'm going to Christine Jorgensen. I think that's the answer.
01:49:31
Ryan
Great. No, you have to... Okay. Wrapping it to the final question of Real Hot Nerd Shit. Micah, who is the hottest character in Shang-Chi?
01:49:43
Micah
I mean, we're gonna... We have to go with... ah I was about to answer real easily. It's either Shang-Chi or Xiangling.
01:49:56
Shauna (she/her)
Well,
01:49:56
Micah
It's one of the two of them. because And it feels terrible because they're siblings. But, again, the bisexual distress...
01:50:03
Shauna (she/her)
you didn't say at the same time. Like, it's fine.
01:50:09
Micah
I mean...
01:50:10
Ryan
He didn't say it, but he didn't say he wouldn't.
01:50:14
Micah
Why go across the street? with Nope. I'm not finishing that. um Yeah. So it's, it's a tie. It's a tie for the, they're, they're tied the top two. Yeah.
01:50:24
Ryan
okay Tied together,
01:50:28
Shauna (she/her)
Um, I bet that fanficry exists. B, I think I probably have to go, ah look, Simu Liu is just such an attractive man. Like, again, like, the gratuitist, and now he's not wearing a shirt.
01:50:41
Shauna (she/her)
Like, I love that. Like, let's, a, what a great idea.
01:50:43
Micah
Thank you. Thank you, whoever made that decision.
01:50:48
Ryan
What happened to your shirt? Neither.
01:50:52
Shauna (she/her)
And then you know But again, that's where like Awkwafina's good. Like, well, like, you way to use your powers for good be like, just point out like, even though we just got exposition as to why he had to lose his shirt, but like still being like, but why is that?
01:51:03
Ryan
Right. Right. Say the thing that we all want to say.
01:51:06
Shauna (she/her)
I'm not attracted to you. Like, for some reason, you're just my friend.
01:51:08
Ryan
Right.
01:51:11
Ryan
um
01:51:12
Shauna (she/her)
Actually, maybe that's it.
01:51:12
Ryan
I will say.
01:51:13
Shauna (she/her)
Awkwafina's bringing asexuality to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
01:51:16
Ryan
um that'd be nice.
01:51:18
Shauna (she/her)
I think that's it.
01:51:18
Ryan
But Morris is right there. Morris, we don't we don't need Morris.
01:51:21
Shauna (she/her)
the Oh, Morris Fox. What are you talking about? He said he didn't have a face. He didn't say didn't. Anyways.
01:51:27
Micah
No, I was going to bring that up because if Morris doesn't have a face but Morris has genitals, fantastic.
01:51:32
Ryan
right
01:51:35
Micah
I want that whole movie about loris more loris Morris.
01:51:40
Ryan
um I think my hottest character is definitely Shang-Chi or his father, which that I'm not ashamed of either.
01:51:51
Micah
Keeping it in the family. I love it.
01:51:54
Ryan
um Okay, Micah, thank you so much for joining us. Be sure to follow RealHotNerdPod on Instagram, at Helen Pastels on Blue Sky, at Intuitive Blurred on Blue Sky.
01:52:08
Ryan
Catch us next time for the Eternals, and we will see you then. cuties.