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26: Eternals with Katie
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This is episode is more "review" than "recap" because it's a long ass movie that is kinda inconsequential? At least for now. But we have a great bonus Hot Nerd, Katie, to help us talk through the ups and downs of this Phase 4 installment.
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Introduction to Real Hot Nerd Shit Podcast
00:00:30
Ryan
Welcome back to Real Hot Nerd Shit, a pop culture podcast where real hot nerds talk about real nerd shit. I'm your host, Ryan.
00:00:38
Shauna (she/her)
And I'm your host, Shauna, and I love how everybody just kind of has to bop along to the theme song when they hear it.
00:00:43
Ryan
know that's possible not to.
00:00:44
Shauna (she/her)
It's my favorite thing.
00:00:47
Katie (she/her)
I was just saying, when the beat dropped, I was like, yeah, I'm here. I'm i'm ready for this.
00:00:50
Ryan
Thank you so much.
00:00:51
Shauna (she/her)
so good.
00:00:51
Ryan
One of my more, like, I'm going to be honest, I'm proud every time I listen to it. Like, I made that with, like, Windows fucking, like, media or something.
00:01:00
Katie (she/her)
I love that. I love, obviously obviously, I love Buffy, the sample of Buffy at the end.
00:01:05
Ryan
Yes, yes, they're all baked in there.
00:01:06
Katie (she/her)
That's fabulous. Yeah.
00:01:08
Ryan
um So on this episode of Real Hot Nerd Shit, we will be continuing our phase four rewatch with Eternals.
00:01:17
Shauna (she/her)
And to do that, we have our special guest hot nerd, Katie. Welcome.
00:01:23
Katie (she/her)
Hi! Thank you having me!
00:01:26
Ryan
She's used to fanfare. She's a performer.
00:01:30
Katie (she/her)
This is so fun. this is so white
00:01:32
Ryan
I'm so
Nerdy Friendship Origins
00:01:33
Ryan
hyped. So ah the tiniest of backstories, we won't go too deep into our personal lore, but I think it is safe to say that ah Katie is my first, like, I've said Anthony is like my first like nerd friend, but we didn't have a lot of like similarities on our nerd stuff. Katie was my first nerd friend that we were like,
00:01:55
Ryan
you like Buffy the Vampire Slayer? And that was like the core of how, other than the fact that we lived down the street from each other, grew up together, et cetera, that was our like core ah connection.
00:02:02
Katie (she/her)
Right, right.
00:02:06
Ryan
to him Like, do you remember that those moments of like realizing that we had the same interest?
00:02:12
Katie (she/her)
Yes, because it made it into my prom scrapbook, Ryan.
00:02:18
Ryan
Please say more because I totally, totally remember the scrapbook.
00:02:21
Katie (she/her)
i i do not I don't know where it is. it's probably in the other room. but um so For those who don't know, Ryan and I went to high school together.
Prom Memories and Viral Fame
00:02:30
Katie (she/her)
um and i took Ryan to my senior prom.
00:02:33
Katie (she/her)
and When we were taking photos beforehand, because you know you have to take a million photos in the backyard, um i was like i remember I was singing part of the the Buffy musical.
00:02:34
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
00:02:46
Katie (she/her)
like i was like singing oh it was like humming along to it or something.
00:02:46
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
00:02:49
Katie (she/her)
and You were like... hold on, do you do you also love Buffy?
00:02:52
Ryan
Let's see.
00:02:56
Katie (she/her)
And I was like, yeah, i love Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I've been singing the musical all like all summer or whatever, all spring. And you were like, Pimpis, we got another one. like
00:03:05
Ryan
Oh what my god.
00:03:07
Katie (she/her)
yeah The exact quote is in my prom scrapbook, but I i would have to go get it.
00:03:11
Ryan
i can see it in your handwriting in the corner of it, um which also does remind me that Katie and I low-key went viral last because...
00:03:22
Katie (she/her)
No!
00:03:23
Ryan
So Katie's senior prom was the year 2005.
00:03:27
Katie (she/her)
Ugh.
00:03:27
Ryan
And apparently there is some account on TikTok that's called like high school in the 90s or high school in the 2000s or something. And we had an AV club at our high school and they took prom videos and stuff. And somehow... For some evil fucking reason, someone put those videos, like the prom videos, on our on um TikTok.
00:03:54
Katie (she/her)
on TikTok.
00:03:54
Ryan
And it is it is a clip from an interview of Katie and I, which also I see you touching your eye also out of like trauma flashback because...
00:04:03
Katie (she/her)
like Yeah, I had this enormous sty in all my my prom photos.
00:04:05
Ryan
ah
00:04:09
Katie (she/her)
I had to get eyedrops, so I had to like look fairly normal in my prom photos.
00:04:12
Ryan
It was absolutely wild. But um they i don't the prompt was something absolutely unrelated, but we just had to share the fact that we were the only biracial, interracial couple at prom.
00:04:14
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:04:26
Katie (she/her)
Because...
00:04:26
Ryan
And I like stuttered and, or like we said it in unison, but i
00:04:31
Katie (she/her)
No, we said it in unison.
00:04:33
Ryan
It was remarkable. And the threads were like, or the comments were like, um ah Janice Ian and Damien, we love you. Like, girl, do you know he's gay?
00:04:44
Katie (she/her)
That one was my favorite one.
00:04:45
Ryan
Like, there' it's just hysterical. And it went viral, viral. Like, thousands of views and comments.
00:04:51
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:04:52
Shauna (she/her)
So cool. so forth
00:04:54
Ryan
Incredible.
00:04:54
Katie (she/her)
People that like we did not go to high school with like that I, you know, friends or whatever that were like, Hey, I saw this video on Tik TOK.
00:04:54
Ryan
Incredible.
00:05:00
Katie (she/her)
Is this you? And i was like, please don't like, no, no, dear God.
00:05:05
Ryan
don't even use TikTok it's really embarrassing so
00:05:07
Katie (she/her)
no neither do I. Yeah. I know I had to watch it on your Instagram reels like an adult because I don't have a Tik TOK account.
00:05:13
Ryan
yes thank you I like I like my TikToks in two to three weeks on Instagram reels like a fucking
00:05:15
Katie (she/her)
But yeah.
00:05:19
Katie (she/her)
Yes.
Nerdy Passions and Creative Process
00:05:21
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. Yes. Yeah, exactly.
00:05:21
Ryan
adult
00:05:23
Ryan
So we have a deep, deep, long ah history of being embarrassing queer nerds together. um But the other thing that I did really want to show you, I'm wearing my Buffy shirt just out of, um you know, love and respect.
00:05:35
Katie (she/her)
I saw that. I saw that. It's beautiful. Yeah.
00:05:39
Ryan
But Katie did give me for Christmas in 2006, 2005, my very first Buffy the Vampire Slayer figure of Anya Christina Emanuella Jenkins.
00:05:48
Shauna (she/her)
I
00:05:49
Katie (she/her)
It's my girl. She's my girl.
00:05:52
Katie (she/her)
She's my girl.
00:05:52
Shauna (she/her)
love that, yeah.
00:05:52
Ryan
Forever and ever. Forever and ever.
00:05:54
Katie (she/her)
she deserved She deserved so much better, Anya.
00:05:56
Ryan
She better fucking get on this.
00:05:57
Shauna (she/her)
As did so many women in Buffy.
00:06:00
Ryan
see
00:06:01
Katie (she/her)
Correct. Unfortunately, correct.
00:06:02
Shauna (she/her)
you know, it's actually funny because I actually, i don't know if you can see, but I'm wearing my Buffy earrings.
00:06:05
Ryan
Which is.
00:06:08
Katie (she/her)
oh
00:06:09
Ryan
Love it
00:06:09
Shauna (she/her)
Really coincidentally.
00:06:10
Katie (she/her)
oh
00:06:12
Ryan
Love it.
00:06:12
Shauna (she/her)
not knowing this backstory of our you know, special guest today.
00:06:12
Katie (she/her)
i
00:06:15
Katie (she/her)
It was...
00:06:17
Shauna (she/her)
So I love that the universe guided me to these earrings.
00:06:20
Katie (she/her)
It's meant to be.
00:06:20
Ryan
Sure did.
00:06:21
Katie (she/her)
It's meant to be.
00:06:22
Ryan
And ah how very appropriate that the movie that we were talking about today is directed by Chloe Zhao, who will be directing the Buffy reboot and is the reason that Sarah Michelle Gellar agreed to do it because she trusts Chloe Zhao that much.
00:06:30
Shauna (she/her)
That's true.
00:06:39
Katie (she/her)
That's right. I forgot about that.
00:06:42
Ryan
Me too, until like like the first third of the movie, i was like, oh wait, she's directing Buffy.
00:06:42
Katie (she/her)
my gosh.
00:06:47
Ryan
So that's fantastic. We love it. So,
00:06:51
Katie (she/her)
I'm excited.
00:06:53
Ryan
Jumping right in the first question that we always ask our guests, um Katie, if a nerd is someone who is weirdly knowledgeable and passionate about something that sometimes people may find uncool or whatever, who gives a fuck, um we know Buffy, but what else are you a nerd about?
00:07:11
Katie (she/her)
I was like, because you sent me these this lovely like run of show, i was like thinking about it for like the whole week.
00:07:17
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
00:07:17
Katie (she/her)
I was like, what am I nerd about? um And... baseball, um certainly Shakespeare, but like theater in general, it's like live theater.
00:07:24
Ryan
Mm-mm.
00:07:28
Katie (she/her)
But I really thought about it.
00:07:28
Shauna (she/her)
Mm-hmm.
00:07:29
Katie (she/her)
And I was like, I think I'm a nerd about like, how art is made. Like, and like, I love talk talking about how art is made, like, whether it's live theater or film, television, um poetry, you know, writing, I love talking about like, the choices that creators make or the the the choices that artists make and like why?
00:07:36
Ryan
e
00:07:51
Katie (she/her)
Like why are the curtains blue? Like the curtains are blue and like why? And you know, I love like digging into that.
00:07:56
Ryan
Yes.
00:07:58
Katie (she/her)
um So yeah, that's, i'm I'm super excited to have this discussion with you.
00:08:05
Ryan
I, first of all, I forgot how much you love baseball. Totally forgot. ah And it's like, ah ah that is a core part of Katie's personality is being a like diehard baseball fan. um Shauna is also a sports nerd. Is baseball one of your sports, Shauna?
00:08:22
Shauna (she/her)
It's not, it's been bigger, a bigger part of my life historically. Like, like when I was a kid, my mom took me around one summer to get all of the Cleveland baseball players, like signatures on baseballs.
00:08:27
Ryan
Sure. Mm-hmm.
00:08:35
Shauna (she/her)
And so like, I have like Chad OJ and like all of the like, like That era of B-list and lower.
00:08:38
Katie (she/her)
Yes, yes.
00:08:44
Shauna (she/her)
With the exception of Albert Bell.
00:08:45
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:08:47
Shauna (she/her)
Because i will never forget, my mom taking I went with my mom and my grandmother.
00:08:48
Katie (she/her)
Huge.
00:08:51
Shauna (she/her)
And my grandmother goes up to Albert Bell and with the kind of chutzpah that only 70-something-year-old white woman can do, goes up and kisses Albert Bell on the cheek.
00:09:05
Shauna (she/her)
And I just will always remember that as like, just that my very, like, my very stubborn German grandmother just going, to like, I'm giving giving Albert Bell a big kiss.
00:09:05
Ryan
ah
00:09:10
Katie (she/her)
Bold.
00:09:10
Ryan
an icon.
00:09:16
Shauna (she/her)
And, like, and she did.
00:09:16
Ryan
Come here, Albert.
00:09:18
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. You know what?
00:09:18
Shauna (she/her)
yup
00:09:20
Katie (she/her)
If anybody could do it, you know, I believe that.
00:09:22
Ryan
Yeah, exactly.
00:09:22
Katie (she/her)
I believe.
00:09:22
Shauna (she/her)
Yep.
00:09:23
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:09:23
Shauna (she/her)
Emily. Yep.
00:09:24
Katie (she/her)
That's amazing.
00:09:25
Ryan
Exactly.
00:09:26
Katie (she/her)
I love that.
00:09:26
Ryan
um But similarly, i have been i've been talking about this lately, um and even with, you know, ah like, Sean, i don't know if it it rings any bells, but I have lately, i have loved picking apart the elements of storytelling, like the choices that actors make, the colors that they use, like what they are trying to tell you with the various, like the, the plot device, just something about it.
00:09:44
Shauna (she/her)
Mm-hmm.
00:09:54
Ryan
I lately, I would say like within the last year, it has been one of my favorite things. And I like, we'll pause what we're watching and do you see what they just did there? I'm pretty sure they're trying to say like, I,
00:10:05
Ryan
I love it. And that just you know reminded me again how aligned our nerd personalities are. What is your zodiac sign again?
00:10:14
Katie (she/her)
I'm a Gemini. Yeah.
00:10:17
Ryan
you
00:10:19
Katie (she/her)
look
00:10:19
Ryan
Mm-hmm. Familiar with those. um
00:10:22
Shauna (she/her)
thanks
00:10:23
Ryan
So it is Aquarius season.
00:10:24
Shauna (she/her)
The Team Rocket of Cleveland. The
00:10:26
Ryan
Yeah, yeah exactly.
00:10:27
Katie (she/her)
yeah
00:10:27
Ryan
exactly ah it's It's Aquarius season, Age of
Marvel Marketing Strategy Discussion
00:10:31
Ryan
Aquarius. ah The world is ending, however. So ah I don't know. we We don't have too much in the general banter, pop culture.
00:10:40
Ryan
um The one thing that...
00:10:41
Shauna (she/her)
world's been a lot, and we can, of course, like...
00:10:43
Ryan
It's been a lot.
00:10:46
Ryan
Then we also, tonight actually, think like right now, the full eight episodes of Wonder Man starring the absolutely stunning Yahya Abdul-Mateen is just dropped. um And they did a terrible job of promoting it per the use when it comes to any people of color in their leads.
00:11:06
Katie (she/her)
I was
00:11:10
Ryan
They just don't promo the show.
00:11:11
Katie (she/her)
I was going to say, what are you talking about? like i don't Yeah, cool, great, yeah.
00:11:13
Ryan
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Are you... As, like, an OG nerd, does Wonder Man ring a bell?
00:11:21
Katie (she/her)
Vaguely, but yeah, not really.
00:11:24
Ryan
Like, old-timey Avengers, to become Vision or something like that. um But...
00:11:39
Ryan
They like promo'd it starting last month and all of the early promos were with that Trevor Slattery guy from ah the Iron Man movie and then from Shang-Chi and then now ah he's in Wonder Man and they didn't like show Yahya Abdul-Mateen's Wonder Man until like earlier this month.
00:11:49
Katie (she/her)
Sure.
00:11:51
Shauna (she/her)
Two new squash show.
00:11:51
Katie (she/her)
Yes.
00:12:00
Ryan
And now they're already promoing the Daredevil second season, which Like he couldn't, be he couldn't get one day of this just sole focus.
00:12:09
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. Yeah. Hashtag noticing. like That's yeah.
00:12:14
Ryan
Literally. like so Shauna was, was piping up a little bit about it. Do you want to share what your sentiment was?
00:12:21
Shauna (she/her)
So I am not convinced that they're not trying to work us into a shoot, which if you know pro wrestling terms to be worked into a shoot is to have it seem like this thing is a like,
00:12:30
Ryan
particularly
00:12:36
Shauna (she/her)
You are being made to think it's like this real off-the-cuff thing that is like that's not actually real. And so then you get worked up and have like an actual real response to it, i.e.
00:12:48
Shauna (she/her)
every one of us who's like, why aren't you promoting this show? Why aren't you promoting people of color in your shows and leads, etc., etc.?
00:12:52
Ryan
Yeah, true.
00:12:54
Katie (she/her)
Yes. yes
00:12:54
Shauna (she/her)
But I actually think that it might be a work that I think it actually is planned if they're not promoting it because they know that it'll get that response from people. And so it's actually a way of artificially drumming up that response and encouraging that fan base to support it that much more because they're like, well, if we don't support it, nobody will.
00:13:11
Ryan
yeah
00:13:11
Shauna (she/her)
And like, it like gives like a, like a real, like us against them mentality.
00:13:12
Ryan
true
00:13:15
Shauna (she/her)
And like a, like, so it like almost doubles down on making you want to support it more. And I wouldn't be surprised if that was an intentional decision on their point.
00:13:22
Ryan
I think that's a great point.
00:13:25
Shauna (she/her)
that's my personal like that's my like weird conspiracy theory on their why their marketing is bad it's like yes it is racist but also i think it's actually intentionally so to specifically get like its fan base to be more vocal and more po like behind it because they did the same thing ironheart like ironheart was just as bad and how it was supported
00:13:29
Ryan
Not weird.
00:13:31
Katie (she/her)
Oh.
00:13:40
Ryan
Yeah.
00:13:43
Katie (she/her)
I 100% believe it. Yeah.
00:13:45
Ryan
They did it.
00:13:48
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:13:48
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah, I definitely think that makes sense because I do feel like an innate sense of like, well, now I have to watch this. Like, I have to at least stream it tonight, even if I'm not watching it.
00:13:57
Shauna (she/her)
Right.
00:14:00
Ryan
Like, I'll stream it, you know, the next. I had Ironheart just running in the background, ah like when it was, you know, fresh because I was like, I need to get these streams up. So... It is a smart marketing tactic.
00:14:10
Shauna (she/her)
right
00:14:11
Ryan
It's just fucking annoying because if they instead just like showed the material and showed how interesting and good it was going to be, then people would just watch like the people who are going to watch it out of frustration for the lack of marketing.
00:14:26
Ryan
We're going to watch it anyways, but by not showing how good it is and how like rich it's going to be. you're losing out on that middle group of people, the the movable middle, as we talk about in political organizing. like There's a bunch of people who would have watched that if they knew about it. And yeah.
00:14:45
Katie (she/her)
i just feel like there's like a whole bunch of factors, but like Marvel clearly does not have faith in their like phase, whatever, what phase are we on now?
00:14:53
Ryan
Four, yeah.
00:14:53
Katie (she/her)
Four or five? Yeah. So like I feel like they clearly don't have faith in the like new generation.
Marvel's Phase Four Critique
00:14:59
Katie (she/her)
So like they're like, Robert Downey come play this other character. You're like practically dead, but it's fine.
00:15:03
Ryan
Yes.
00:15:05
Katie (she/her)
And then like Chris Evans is like, I'm out. I don't want to play Cap anymore. and they're like, no, no, no, but you' you're going to marry Peggy Carter and have a baby.
00:15:13
Ryan
Yes.
00:15:13
Katie (she/her)
Because we need you to be heterosexual for us on screen and not gay with Bucky Barnes.
00:15:16
Ryan
Yes. yes
00:15:18
Katie (she/her)
And so like, so I really feel like they're like, no, we don't trust this new phase because we made like a billion dollars with the Evans generation, but we don't trust like everyone else to do it.
00:15:19
Ryan
you
00:15:30
Katie (she/her)
And I, so I a hundred percent believe your conspiracy theory. That's 1000% plausible.
00:15:33
Ryan
Yeah.
00:15:35
Katie (she/her)
Absolutely.
00:15:36
Shauna (she/her)
What does America's ass do? Not that apparently.
00:15:38
Katie (she/her)
yeah
00:15:39
Ryan
Yeah, exactly.
00:15:39
Katie (she/her)
ah Not that.
00:15:40
Shauna (she/her)
Very clear.
00:15:41
Ryan
Yeah.
00:15:42
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, we're very clear.
00:15:42
Ryan
So that's actually a great, you know, we have now gotten ah four teaser trailers for Doomsday, which is dropping in December.
00:15:54
Ryan
And we got a glimpse into cap, which is storyline where we see he has a baby with Peggy. um We got a glimpse into Thor and his daughter, Love.
00:16:09
Ryan
got to see, we got our first like X-Men a teaser trailer that had Magneto and Professor X and James Marsden in the comic accurate Cyclops costume unleashing his full optic blast.
00:16:24
Ryan
And that was the like, that was the strength of my orgasm when I saw it, when he unleashed it, I was like, Oh, me too. Like we simultaneously optic blasted if you know what I mean.
00:16:34
Katie (she/her)
And hey, I'm going to start using that. like Is that going to be the new?
00:16:38
Ryan
Yeah, I'm going to optic blast really quick. um And then ah we got one with the Wakandans and the thing from Fantastic Four. Here's the thing in Wakanda and Namor. And well I guess we're going to get a trailer probably soon, maybe during the Super Bowl, I would imagine.
00:16:58
Katie (she/her)
Oh, sure. Yeah, that makes sense.
00:16:59
Shauna (she/her)
Thank
00:16:59
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. Right.
00:17:01
Ryan
So that brings us to, um you know, a nice little segue into our topic today. So one reason that I, you know, reached out to Katie again is um because we're OG nerds and we were talking about heated rivalry and um we're both foaming at the mouth about it.
00:17:15
Shauna (she/her)
you.
00:17:19
Katie (she/her)
Mm-hmm.
00:17:19
Ryan
Um, And then i was like, so what's your what's your experience with phase four? And you shared that you kind of fell off. I said, perfect, let's join. So what made you what's your what's your origin with the MCU and Marvel? And what made you kind of fall off?
00:17:37
Katie (she/her)
So feel like that my Marvel origin is like the 90s TV show, right? Like, then and and an er no no no no yeah, right.
00:17:43
Ryan
Yeah. Yes, yes.
00:17:45
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, like rogue rogue and yeah optic blasting all over the place.
00:17:46
Shauna (she/her)
The best.
00:17:47
Ryan
Optic Blast.
00:17:50
Katie (she/her)
um Because a rogue and Gambit's terrible Cajun accent in that show, I was like all about that. um And then...
00:17:57
Ryan
Bisexual awakening, be real.
00:17:59
Katie (she/her)
I mean, you know, but I was like, that was like one of my first like OTPs. I was like, Oh, I love them. I ship them so hard. Like I want them to get married and have like tortured, like, you know, like we can't touch each other, but we love each other so much.
00:18:08
Ryan
Yeah.
00:18:13
Katie (she/her)
um And then I started watching um X-Men Evolution, the, the, like the show where they were like, little teenagers in high school but they were like going yeah like they were in class it was so good and like like kurt kurt wagner i love me some nightcrawler um so that was like my earliest origin so i like read the comics like i wasn't like super like i wasn't like reading everything but i was like reading comics throughout high school and then um
00:18:14
Ryan
Exactly. good.
00:18:27
Ryan
So good.
00:18:41
Katie (she/her)
the new Avengers movie, the Joss Whedon Avengers movie came out in like 2012. And I feel like that just like, i mean, that exploded into the like, the mainstream really.
00:18:51
Katie (she/her)
And i I like because I love like nerd shit, I'm definitely involved in fandom. And like, I was reading all the fic, like I was reading so much fic.
00:18:58
Ryan
Yeah.
00:19:01
Ryan
Yeah.
00:19:02
Katie (she/her)
of the Avengers, like moving into, moving into Avengers tower and like having real world of adventures.
00:19:03
Ryan
Okay. Because you love
00:19:08
Katie (she/her)
Like that's, I was like, I don't care what, like what world they're saving. I just want them to be doing like weird friend shit in the towers. Like that's what I wanted.
00:19:15
Ryan
Cleveland.
00:19:16
Katie (she/her)
um And then in 2014, I feel like my favorite Marvel movie is winter soldier, like captain America, winter soldier. And so like,
00:19:24
Ryan
because you love cleveland
00:19:26
Katie (she/her)
because I love Cleveland. I love Cleveland and I love Sebastian Stan. um And so i just, I also, i have a, yeah.
00:19:32
Shauna (she/her)
A Sebastian Stan, if you will.
00:19:35
Ryan
a t less Yes, excellent.
00:19:37
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. don't um So I just like loved that movie. And I was like really in those fandom spaces, like reading a lot of fake and like consuming a lot of fan art and stuff like that.
00:19:50
Katie (she/her)
And I just like felt like this is like a tangent. I just feel like that's one of the best movies in the MCU canon. So i I like just love that movie.
00:19:56
Ryan
Yeah.
00:19:59
Katie (she/her)
And I felt like that first phase, first two phases were like really,
Overwhelmed by Marvel Content?
00:20:02
Katie (she/her)
really good. But I have fallen off.
00:20:03
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
00:20:04
Katie (she/her)
I've i've definitely it's felt a little bit like a chore to to to watch three hour movies like every six months. Like, oh, man, that's a lot.
00:20:15
Katie (she/her)
Like and like I don't have a lot of streaming services now.
00:20:16
Ryan
A lot.
00:20:18
Katie (she/her)
I canceled a lot of my streaming services. So I was like, oh, I'm going to have to. i went and got the Eternals from the library because we love supporting our public services.
00:20:23
Ryan
We love it.
00:20:26
Katie (she/her)
Mm hmm.
00:20:28
Ryan
Amen. we stand We stand a public service queen.
00:20:31
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, exactly. Shout out to the Lakewood Public Library.
00:20:33
Shauna (she/her)
well and i feel like as i'm getting like my child into like the mcu and like we're watching things and i was like all right well we need you to watch this before you can watch this and then okay wait we hold on we gotta get through this but then once we get through this then we can get to the movie that you want to watch and i feel like there's a lot of that during this specific era and like the like even like right before like where we're like okay well i want to show you the marvels but in order to watch the marvels we have to watch not just captain marvel but we also have to watch the miss marvel tv show and the wandavision tv show to get to the point where all of those characters will make sense in order to watch them and i think there's a lot of that that's actually they're not as like like you don't necessarily need to watch miss marvel i guess but also it's more like i enjoyed it thoroughly so it was so much fun
00:21:22
Ryan
Yeah. Did you watch Ms. Marvel, Katie?
00:21:26
Katie (she/her)
I did not. i'm I'm really far behind.
00:21:28
Shauna (she/her)
the
00:21:28
Katie (she/her)
Like I am just very far behind.
00:21:29
Ryan
Okay.
00:21:29
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. So like when you were like, oh, the Eternals, I was like, oh, sh fuck, am I going to have to like watch like a whole bunch of movies? It feels like homework. Sometimes you're like, oh, man, like I got to like, i you know, I'll do some homework.
00:21:38
Ryan
It does.
00:21:41
Katie (she/her)
But like I was like, oh, man, like, am I going to am I going to need to read a whole bunch of synopses or like go back and watch all these things? Because like, I don't know if I have time for that in the two weeks that you that we like we're talking about this.
00:21:52
Ryan
Exactly.
00:21:53
Katie (she/her)
So, yeah.
00:21:54
Ryan
Exactly.
00:21:54
Shauna (she/her)
Well, and I think especially with the attorney...
00:21:55
Ryan
Thankfully, the Eternals is, you know.
00:21:57
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, just apparently a standalone because it doesn't exist in anything else and they've yet to use it again.
00:21:58
Ryan
Go ahead.
00:22:02
Ryan
Literally.
00:22:02
Shauna (she/her)
But but also, like, with the fact that it's, like, got, like, you know, a dozen characters that it's introducing for the first time, all of whom are kind of unique and have varying, like, these ones are kind of strong and this one, like,
00:22:02
Ryan
So...
00:22:04
Katie (she/her)
Womp, womp.
X-Men vs Avengers: Storytelling Preferences
00:22:21
Shauna (she/her)
I kind of get it.
00:22:21
Katie (she/her)
Like this one has, yeah
00:22:23
Ryan
fighty it's yeah blah blah blah so we could we can jump right in i think the other thing that I did I want to ask Katie so um you are i think you are similar to me where your entry point with Marvel in general was like the X-Men and not like the Avengers is that accurate
00:22:28
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:22:40
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, yeah, totally.
00:22:42
Ryan
Yeah, I was like, I didn't see any of the MCU movies until I think the Avengers came out. And then I was like, I guess I'll watch this. I literally just like didn't like the Avengers. I thought they were boring.
00:22:53
Ryan
What do you mean? They don't have superpowers. Like he's just a strong guy and that guy can shoot with a he has he's he's a robot and she's a spy. Ooh, superheroes.
00:23:02
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. Yeah. Like, i I think that like the X-Men are a little flashier. Like they have, you know, like the story is a little bit more tragic.
00:23:07
Ryan
Yes.
00:23:11
Katie (she/her)
Like, you know.
00:23:11
Ryan
Yeah. well and it also has the part you were talking about where, like, you were saying you want the Avengers to just, like, do real-life stuff. Like, the X-Men are much more, I think, sort of... Their stories are interesting because they are trying to just live lives as mutants. And it's obviously this story as the other. And that is, of course, appealing to folks like us as well. So um I think it does... it gives you a better...
00:23:40
Ryan
um It gives, to me, again, you just have more well-rounded stories. Not that it doesn't happen in the Avengers comics as well, but um I feel like that was another part of why I always liked the X-Men the most.
00:23:51
Ryan
um They're your messy gay polycule. And who doesn't love a messy gay polycule?
00:23:56
Shauna (she/her)
No, literally.
00:23:57
Ryan
Literally.
00:23:58
Katie (she/her)
I was like, I'm laughing because it's true. It's so true.
00:24:00
Ryan
It's true.
00:24:00
Shauna (she/her)
Well, it's also my... I'm glad they're making an X-Men movie franchise, but I think X-Men are better in TV series. I think they are teams like that.
00:24:14
Shauna (she/her)
That was the problem with the original X-Men trilogy, that they made it the Wolverine show. Or it's solely about Xavier and Magneto. And that's true, but also I think it misses that part of the fun is getting more than, oh, there's a snippet of Shadowcat, and oh...
00:24:30
Shauna (she/her)
Maybe next movie will actually get Colossus.
00:24:31
Ryan
Allegedly. Right.
00:24:33
Shauna (she/her)
Like, you know, but like, I feel like there's so much of that.
00:24:34
Ryan
Right.
00:24:37
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
00:24:37
Katie (she/her)
I totally agree. Like the, the larger ensemble pieces, I think do work better as like mini series or TV shows, like, because you can, you can say, oh this episode is about, you know, a professor X and like, but that's okay.
00:24:43
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
00:24:50
Katie (she/her)
Because two episodes later, we'll get an episode about Cyclops and his optic blasts not safe for work, but like, yeah.
00:24:55
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, it should but it should just be a prestige television show. And I think that if it was an actual, if it was 12 episode and ever it felt like they're a bunch of mini movies, I think that it would be not just popular, but i think it would really help cement them as the Marvel leading franchise, even away from Spider-Man.
Eternals Plot and Character Analysis
00:25:19
Katie (she/her)
100% agree, 100% agree, yeah. hundred percent agree
00:25:20
Ryan
Agreed. I also think um it's hard because the X-Men are so visually um compelling and and complex.
00:25:22
Katie (she/her)
yeah
00:25:32
Ryan
like you know, the ah Avengers, like you don't have anyone that's just entirely blue until Beast technically becomes an Avenger, but that's like in the comics. But like, you know, you don't have to figure out how to make Medusa's hair, you know, work. And instead you just shave it all off. And ah one of the things that Shauna pointed out, did you ever did you ever try to watch the Inhumans show that they attempted and failed, Katie?
00:26:02
Katie (she/her)
no
00:26:03
Ryan
Oh, it's bad. It's real bad. It's real bad. I don't think I ever even finished like the first episode. It's terrible. But Shauna made a great point that like the Eternals could have been the Inhumans, like if they had really put their time and energy into it, just like Black Widow could have actually been about Yelena instead of being about a character who's already dead.
00:26:27
Ryan
Just a thought.
00:26:28
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, the Black Widow movie was about eight years too late. Like the timing on that was like really rough.
00:26:32
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:26:35
Katie (she/her)
We were like, no, we were clamoring for this, but you just didn't want to make a movie about a woman. So you didn't, Kevin Feige.
00:26:40
Ryan
correct and instead of focusing on the character that every like a breakout star like Yelena which I mean I guess it does a good job of balancing but like it just it didn't do it so that's fine
00:26:52
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:26:53
Ryan
Let's jump into our film du jour, The Eternals. um A quick summary. Eternals follows a group of 10 immortal cosmic beings created by the celestial Erishem to protect Earth from monstrous creatures called Deviants. After thousands of years of protecting humanity and living in secret, the team reunites in the present day to stop the emergence, a world-ending event triggered by the return of the Deviants and a hidden agenda.
00:27:19
Ryan
Did either of you know anything about the Eternals outside of this movie?
00:27:24
Shauna (she/her)
Not even a little bit.
00:27:25
Katie (she/her)
not one thing.
00:27:25
Ryan
Same.
00:27:26
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:27:27
Ryan
Same. So if we if you were to just receive that summary, you'd be like, what's a Celestial? What's an Erishem? What's any of those things?
00:27:36
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:27:37
Ryan
So I think our first question that we are asking ourselves is, why did they introduce this movie? Which we will return to again later because we don't know. Even at the end of the movie, you still don't entirely know.
00:27:52
Ryan
um
00:27:53
Shauna (she/her)
I knew Kumail Nanjiani. really like Kumail.
00:27:55
Ryan
ah
00:27:56
Shauna (she/her)
Like, I think he's great.
00:27:56
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:27:59
Ryan
So, go ahead, Titi, sorry.
00:28:01
Katie (she/her)
all i knew about the sorry All I knew about the movie was that he went through this like ridiculous body transformation. like That's literally all I knew about this.
00:28:07
Ryan
It looks so
00:28:10
Katie (she/her)
He, like I don't know, cultivated possibly an eating disorder. like i was like, like literally like transformed his whole body.
00:28:14
Ryan
Yeah, 100%. hundred percent
00:28:18
Katie (she/her)
And I like watched the movie and I was like, I don't know if you needed to do that, sir. Like, you i don't I don't know if you needed to. You looked good, but like, i don't know how...
00:28:25
Ryan
Yeah.
00:28:28
Katie (she/her)
You probably could have just been your normal self. Good looking dude.
00:28:30
Ryan
yeah
00:28:31
Katie (she/her)
Like, ah Yeah.
00:28:32
Ryan
Yeah.
00:28:33
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:28:33
Ryan
Cause you're not even really a God as they eventually find out. So anyways, um we'll start with the plot and kind of like talk about them as they ah get introduced.
00:28:43
Ryan
But we meet the Eternals at the beginning. We learn about the Celestials um and how they were created by these like the six singularities which they never really come back to and explain.
00:28:58
Ryan
ah but maybe it's the infinity stones because they like have the colors of it. But i was thinking, isn't that like eternity and death and like the, all the big giant things, whatever, it doesn't matter.
00:29:11
Shauna (she/her)
Well, because now the Celestials, like Galactus is a Celestial. Am I correct in that?
00:29:19
Ryan
I don't think so.
00:29:22
Shauna (she/her)
Like I could be, but because i thought like Arisham was like a Galactus kind of deal.
00:29:22
Ryan
Because I,
00:29:27
Ryan
Is Galactus a celestial?
00:29:30
Katie (she/her)
was going say, we need to get to the bottom of this because, oh well, there you go
00:29:32
Ryan
No. Yeah, Galactus is not a celestial, but rather a unique cosmic entity.
00:29:36
Shauna (she/her)
Okay. Okay.
00:29:38
Ryan
ah Blah, blah, blah.
00:29:39
Shauna (she/her)
He's his own thing.
00:29:40
Katie (she/her)
go. Yeah.
00:29:41
Ryan
He's his own thing.
00:29:41
Shauna (she/her)
Like...
00:29:44
Katie (she/her)
He's not like those other celestial beings that are called celestials.
00:29:46
Shauna (she/her)
We're the Eternals.
00:29:46
Ryan
Exactly.
00:29:47
Shauna (she/her)
Part of it.
00:29:48
Katie (she/her)
yeah
00:29:49
Shauna (she/her)
And yes, that is a David Pumpkin's joke.
00:29:49
Ryan
Yeah.
00:29:51
Katie (she/her)
Love it. Love it.
00:29:52
Ryan
Oh, David has pumpkins. Yeah.
00:29:54
Katie (she/her)
Mm-hmm.
00:29:55
Ryan
So the Celestials send the Eternals to Earth thousands of years ago to eliminate the Deviants and help humanity evolve, but not interfere in human conflicts.
00:30:06
Ryan
So we get these, like, little glimpses to them in, like, Mesopotamia and, like, introducing tools and, like, the plow and the steam engine and shit. And i kind of had, like, a little bit of a ah feeling about that because, like...
00:30:24
Ryan
I don't know, it feels like it discredits, like, you know, the the humans who, actual people, like, you know, forget those, you know, ancient brown people that, you know, discovered the plow or fucking daggers or whatever.
00:30:28
Katie (she/her)
Actual people. like
00:30:39
Ryan
it was gods instead. Boo. Give folks their things.
00:30:43
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. Yeah, it it this is going to be maybe niche, but it reminded me of um the Animorphs. If either of you read the Animorphs.
00:30:52
Ryan
Yes. Of course.
00:30:54
Katie (she/her)
Yes, great. um like that Like the like Elimist being and like his like beef with the the other. I'm having trouble remembering all the different things, but like it's like these like, you know, big um like celestial beings that are like
00:31:10
Ryan
Yeah.
00:31:11
Katie (she/her)
using humans as pawns in their little games and like eventually the animorphs were like you like hate you both like
00:31:17
Ryan
Wow. Okay. I don't remember that part. I just, I kind of remember the basics of the Animorphs. There's like a higher.
00:31:22
Katie (she/her)
this would have been like yeah this would have been like later on in the series like they're they reveal like this being called the elemis who is kind of like
00:31:27
Ryan
Okay.
00:31:34
Katie (she/her)
certainly a more powerful being than like anything that they've met before. And it turns out the Elemist is like manipulating time and like, or maybe not manipulating time, but like manipulating the people who are in the timeline.
00:31:39
Ryan
Sure.
00:31:47
Katie (she/her)
Like he, he's stacking the deck to like, to save humanity or something.
00:31:52
Ryan
Got it.
00:31:52
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:31:52
Ryan
Interesting.
00:31:52
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. Can recommend a reread of the Animorphs as an adult though.
00:31:53
Ryan
the
00:31:57
Katie (she/her)
It holds up, holds up.
00:31:58
Ryan
And isn't Jake, what's her name?
00:31:59
Shauna (she/her)
Interesting.
00:32:00
Ryan
JK Applegate? No.
00:32:03
Katie (she/her)
ah k eight
00:32:03
Ryan
Something Applegate?
00:32:04
Katie (she/her)
K.A. Applegate. Yeah.
00:32:06
Ryan
Sorry, i got their letters wrong.
00:32:07
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:32:08
Ryan
um But in staunch in staunch contrast to the other tra the other bitch with two letters, who's an awful transpobe piece of shit, K.A.
00:32:17
Katie (she/her)
yeah
00:32:18
Shauna (she/her)
Never heard of her.
00:32:20
Ryan
Applegate is a tremendous trans ally, isn't it? She like has been out and proud about supporting trans folks.
00:32:24
Shauna (she/her)
Yes.
00:32:25
Katie (she/her)
Yes, i believe I believe has a a trans child.
00:32:26
Shauna (she/her)
Absolutely.
00:32:28
Katie (she/her)
i i i could be wrong about that, but i but I think she also is just like, yeah a very staunch ally.
00:32:34
Ryan
Yeah, shout out.
00:32:35
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:32:35
Ryan
Yeah. shout-out
00:32:36
Katie (she/her)
And honestly, the books the books hold up as like an allegory for war. like and and a like a real like a not like a I just i'd read a headline in the New York Times.
00:32:42
Ryan
e
00:32:47
Katie (she/her)
I haven't read the article yet about like how Gen z has like rejected Harry Potter. And like part of the reason is like this like neoliberal, like like there it doesn't nobody buys into that anymore.
00:32:57
Katie (she/her)
Like there there is no happy ending.
00:32:58
Ryan
yeah
00:32:59
Katie (she/her)
like Like there's all these like very complicated things. And Harry... and I haven't read the article, so. But ah but yeah, I was like, yeah, because Animorphs, I think, was a little bit more mature.
00:33:05
Ryan
Sure.
00:33:09
Katie (she/her)
like If you remember the the ending to Animorphs, it was pretty bleak.
00:33:11
Ryan
Sure.
00:33:12
Katie (she/her)
It was a pretty bleak ending. And I think like.
00:33:15
Shauna (she/her)
It's not just the protagonist becomes a cop at the end. Fascinating.
00:33:18
Katie (she/her)
Hmm.
00:33:21
Ryan
Excellent point.
00:33:22
Katie (she/her)
Like the the leader the leader of the interwarfs like goes to war, becomes like a a teenage general and doesn't like know how to deal with his life afterward.
00:33:23
Ryan
Yeah.
00:33:31
Katie (she/her)
Like he doesn't know how to be anything else.
00:33:31
Ryan
Yeah.
00:33:33
Katie (she/her)
It's way darker, way darker. Can recommend.
00:33:36
Ryan
which we love because that's the reality. Child soldiers, again, full circle to the X-Men, child soldiers, teen soldiers, not, not reliable war fodder.
00:33:41
Katie (she/her)
yes Child soldier. Yeah.
00:33:47
Ryan
um So we get introduced to the Eternals and we'll kind of talk about them as they get introduced through these scenes. But we see that there are all these individual connections between them and,
00:34:01
Ryan
they all have different powers and things like that um but they essentially defeat the the deviants and we get a smash cut to the the present day where we meet our first eternal cersei who is ah her powers are matter manipulation and can like transform objects and materials only non-living ones because again elements of storytelling when she's talking to her boyfriend dane she specifically tells him like oh yeah i can't change biological material or whatever and i was like huh well i already know how this is going to change later so wild that you would just randomly say that he wants to be transformed into a giraffe i was like this it was really heavy-handed in the beginning yeah i
00:34:46
Shauna (she/her)
Nothing. Well, um also, like, again, that they're like, and now here's Jon Snow, like, and just, like, not knowing anything about the Eternals.
00:34:48
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, yeah. the I will...
00:34:55
Ryan
Yeah.
00:34:58
Katie (she/her)
I didn't even watch...
00:35:00
Shauna (she/her)
We are all Jon Snow, because none of us do about the Eternals either.
00:35:00
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, I didn't even watch... Right.
00:35:03
Ryan
Yep.
00:35:03
Katie (she/her)
i didn't I didn't even watch Game of Thrones and I was like, isn't that Jon Snow? Isn't that Kit Harington, that's goodhered isn't it like and then And then the other guy, yes, like then the other guy from Game of Thrones showed up and I was like, there are two of them.
00:35:08
Ryan
Yep.
00:35:10
Shauna (she/her)
older brother is also in it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:17
Katie (she/her)
She's choosing between Game of Thrones men. What's happening right now?
00:35:21
Ryan
Game of Thrones as men's as...
00:35:23
Katie (she/her)
Men's is blah, blah, blah.
00:35:25
Shauna (she/her)
Mm-hmm.
00:35:25
Ryan
Yeah. um one One note that I did take is um I did really like, or I do really like, as we learn, you know, it's not all true, but like they're from this planet called Olympia, which is obviously, you know, kind of a nod to Olympus and the gods.
00:35:26
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:35:44
Ryan
And they all have these names that are sort of reminiscent of mythological beings or like, um i don't know, I guess mythological is probably a good word to describe all of them.
00:35:54
Ryan
But like, it I really liked, i think that's a very interesting idea that these people that have existed through time or these gods that have existed through time and the stories that we've been told are based on, you know, sort of like real, um real entities or real beings.
00:36:11
Ryan
Like I, I like that little inclusion in there around the, yes, exactly.
00:36:15
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah. Like, here's Gilgamesh. Like, and I was like, I was a religious studies major.
00:36:20
Ryan
thena
00:36:20
Shauna (she/her)
i thought that was neat. Like...
00:36:22
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. I know.
00:36:24
Shauna (she/her)
Like...
00:36:24
Katie (she/her)
I was trying to figure out like all the connections.
00:36:25
Shauna (she/her)
as
00:36:26
Katie (she/her)
I was like, oh, right. Gilgamesh and like, and obviously Icarus. And the only one I couldn't really figure out was, was Kingo.
00:36:30
Ryan
Yep.
00:36:35
Ryan
No idea.
00:36:35
Shauna (she/her)
Once again, that is a good point.
00:36:35
Katie (she/her)
Like,
00:36:37
Shauna (she/her)
is I'm not sure of what his... like and i did not Again, i maybe I should have read more on the... like but Or maybe these are the things that like they could have put out about this that they just didn't.
00:36:48
Ryan
Sure.
00:36:50
Shauna (she/her)
Because I think that would have been interesting. Or like Hephaestus.
00:36:52
Katie (she/her)
Because I googled it. I googled Kingo.
00:36:57
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, like who makes the weapons is like...
00:36:58
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:36:58
Ryan
What did, what'd you get?
00:36:59
Shauna (she/her)
the
00:37:00
Katie (she/her)
Nothing. i The only thing that i that came up about Kingo was about the Eternals or like or the comic books.
00:37:06
Ryan
Got it.
00:37:06
Katie (she/her)
like So I was like, oh, OK.
00:37:07
Ryan
Interesting.
00:37:09
Katie (she/her)
maybe I know Google sucks now, but like you know like this is, you know.
00:37:12
Ryan
Right, exactly. Did you try ChatGPT? Because you want to waste some water.
00:37:15
Katie (she/her)
I did not.
00:37:17
Ryan
Yeah, don't.
00:37:17
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. I was like, i'm because I'm morally opposed. Yeah.
00:37:20
Ryan
Yes, agreed. um So as I literally clearly clearly use ChatGPT to put together a run of show, but, you know, it's a tool. It's a fucking tool. It should not be the entirety of what we use. It is a tool to make our lives easier. Yeah.
00:37:34
Ryan
Some of my other notes from this section, ah i remembered that one of my biggest critiques of the movie is how heavy handed the dialogue has to be when it comes to the exposition.
00:37:46
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, I agree.
00:37:46
Ryan
It's tough.
00:37:47
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, I was watching it and i was like, oh, this is a little bit of a slow start. Like, and like I think it's like both of those things.
00:37:53
Ryan
Yes.
00:37:55
Katie (she/her)
Like Shauna mentioned, like, it's this big ensemble. Like, it's 10 people.
00:37:58
Ryan
Yes.
00:37:58
Katie (she/her)
We have to get to know 10 people. And then, like, they're also not entirely human, right? They're, like, otherworldly.
00:38:04
Ryan
Right.
00:38:05
Katie (she/her)
And so their dialogue is a little, is a little, like, this is who we are This is what we do.
00:38:11
Ryan
Exactly.
00:38:11
Katie (she/her)
And, like, you know,
00:38:12
Shauna (she/her)
And their powers are like just similar enough like, this one's strong. Well, this one's strong but with weapons now. And this one flies and this fast and is strong.
00:38:23
Ryan
This one's deaf.
00:38:23
Katie (she/her)
And this one, his eyes glow and he like makes people do what he wants.
00:38:23
Shauna (she/her)
Like...
00:38:27
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, like, okay.
00:38:27
Shauna (she/her)
yeah He's like Superman, but not like...
00:38:27
Ryan
Yeah.
00:38:30
Ryan
Yeah, that I was, i think I read something that I'm not properly recalling about how, like, Icarus is supposed to be, like, what inspired the fictional, like, the fictional comic of of Superman.
00:38:31
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:38:44
Ryan
Like, they mention Superman in the movie when Icarus shows up at Faces' faces his house.
00:38:45
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:38:48
Katie (she/her)
Right.
00:38:50
Ryan
um
00:38:51
Katie (she/her)
Right.
00:38:51
Ryan
And so I think that was supposed to, that's, like part of the in-universe lore is that he's what inspired it. Yeah.
00:38:57
Katie (she/her)
Interesting.
00:38:59
Ryan
But I also, you know, obviously i
Eternals' Exposition and Pacing Issues
00:39:01
Ryan
was a little stony baloney when I was watching this and my notes, um you know, there's so much that we have to know about it that they literally give a preemptive story like that you have to read. And I was like, well, that's kind of what Star Wars is. But as a person who has only seen Star Wars like once or twice, is Star Wars that like...
00:39:25
Ryan
again, like heavy handed with the expository dialogue, like, do they have to do all that in the beginning?
00:39:33
Katie (she/her)
I don't I haven't seen Star Wars in a while, but the I will say the crawl in Star Wars is longer. So like this, that you know, like that's way longer so that you can just have people read it.
00:39:39
Ryan
Yeah, definitely.
00:39:43
Katie (she/her)
You're like, read it.
00:39:43
Ryan
Yeah.
00:39:43
Katie (she/her)
And then we're going to get right into it. The Eternals is not that long.
00:39:45
Ryan
Yeah.
00:39:46
Katie (she/her)
So i yeah, it I don't think I feel like Star Wars did it slightly better, but I don't I don't know.
00:39:47
Ryan
No.
00:39:52
Ryan
Sure. You know who else did it pretty well? The original Mighty Morphin Power Rangers movie. That's all I'm saying.
00:40:00
Shauna (she/her)
With Ivan Ooze.
00:40:00
Katie (she/her)
I mean, have an oomph.
00:40:02
Ryan
Uh-huh. And it should have been a Mariska Hargitay as the hottie in the bikini. Fun fact, there's like behind the scenes photo. Do you know Dulcea, the whistling sticks lady?
00:40:14
Katie (she/her)
Oh my God.
00:40:14
Ryan
ah That was originally Mariska Hargitay. And there are pictures of her in the fucking like, you know, sort of like leather bikini swinging the sticks. It's unreal.
00:40:25
Ryan
I can't wait to send those to you because...
00:40:27
Katie (she/her)
Please, please do. that is wild.
00:40:28
Ryan
Yeah. Very important. um So i I also noted that it was kind of like the comic books, like the old comic books, like the sort of golden age or silver age, Shauna, correct me.
00:40:41
Ryan
i don't I don't really remember the right timeline, but like, I used to, I really did not like the old timey X-Men comic books, like the 60s, 70s, 80s books, because that was so dialogue heavy.
00:40:49
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm.
00:40:53
Ryan
and like everything was explained in word instead of through art, which is, I think what one of my favorite parts of contemporary comics are, is you just get these incredible splash pages with no words. And it's just like, that's all you need to know. um but yeah, I definitely really liked the, the,
00:41:11
Ryan
though i was I was grateful when we got through sort of like that first chunk of the first act where they had to tell us everything and then we got to see their powers, which was really cool.
00:41:21
Katie (she/her)
And there was like a lot of ah like jumping around from location. It was like, first we're in Sumeria and like, we're gonna like this barely bad actor, like is gonna get eaten by, eaten by a deviant.
00:41:26
Ryan
Yeah.
00:41:31
Ryan
Yes.
00:41:32
Katie (she/her)
And you're like, oh shit.
00:41:33
Ryan
Yes.
00:41:33
Katie (she/her)
And then like the, they didn't save him in time. And then like, then we're immediately in like to Babylon. And then you're like going, it felt like a little bit like, wait, which, where am i What part of the world am I in right now?
00:41:39
Ryan
Yep.
00:41:42
Ryan
Exactly.
00:41:44
Katie (she/her)
And when, and yeah.
00:41:45
Ryan
And now that I'm also thinking about it, we had all those sort of like jumpy changes back and forth from different areas. um But then the way that they reintroduce Cersei and show her that show us that she's modern is she's like taking a picture of a sign or something on her iPhone, which is like a clear way to timestamp it as we are now in the present.
00:42:04
Katie (she/her)
Right.
00:42:07
Katie (she/her)
Right.
00:42:09
Ryan
So in that first chunk, we meet Cersei and Sprite and Dane Whitman, who is ah completely irrelevant to the story, except for the last you know three minutes.
00:42:23
Ryan
And then he is also still not relevant to the story. So um
00:42:27
Shauna (she/her)
He might be in Avengers, maybe.
00:42:28
Ryan
we he's sure he's definitely going to be in...
00:42:31
Shauna (she/her)
Because... Well, but, like, they literally explain nothing other than he's, like, maybe related to Moon Knight? Hmm.
00:42:39
Ryan
No, his, his, uh, his uncle who he mentions, he has an estranged uncle, uh, who I believe has the ebony blade, which is what makes the black knight, which the ebony blade is referenced when they get to Macari later and she's in the ship and she's got all of her collectibles and Sprite's like, Oh, is that the ebony blade? And Fina is like wielding around. She goes, no, it's Excalibur. Um,
00:43:04
Ryan
That is the sword that we see at the end of the movie when Dane opens that box, which we'll come back to that because there's a moment that I'm so curious if Katie caught, it but we'll we'll come back to it.
00:43:16
Katie (she/her)
Oh no.
00:43:17
Ryan
Um, so, uh, the, this giant deviant comes and we get to see, uh, Sprite's power, which is that she can, ah create images or she can create highly realistic illusions and visual projections. Um, so she and, Cersei are trying to fight the deviant and then Icarus comes and saves the day. So we get to see this first chunk of their powers. Um,
00:43:44
Ryan
Any thoughts on just like those Icarus, Cersei, and Sprite?
00:43:57
Katie (she/her)
Just resounding silence.
00:43:57
Shauna (she/her)
Well, like, again, like...
00:43:58
Ryan
Exactly.
00:43:58
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm.
00:43:59
Katie (she/her)
like like
00:43:59
Ryan
Precisely. Precisely. Fun fact, though, Cersei, the actress that plays Cersei, is also stunning.
00:44:05
Katie (she/her)
Beautiful.
00:44:07
Ryan
um And she is also in Captain Marvel. She is a member of the squad that Carol is on for the Kree. She's like in that same actor is used in there, which is, again, weird.
00:44:18
Katie (she/her)
Oh.
00:44:20
Ryan
um
00:44:20
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, interesting.
00:44:22
Ryan
We also forgot to...
00:44:22
Katie (she/her)
I just know her from Crazy Rich Asians, obviously.
00:44:25
Ryan
Like, she's so nice to look at. Just...
00:44:28
Katie (she/her)
She's beautiful. Just, yeah.
00:44:29
Ryan
So beautiful. Which, speaking of beautiful, we also did not um acknowledge the the first Celestial we meet is actually Ajak, played by Selma Hayek. So let's just really quickly talk about how weird it is. And I don't know if weird is the right word. I'm curious what your all's thoughts are on the inclusion of these like huge name, like award-winning actors who...
00:44:55
Ryan
Like, I never would have thought I'd see Selma Hayek or Angelina Jolie in a an MCU movie. What are your all's thoughts?
00:45:06
Katie (she/her)
I did. i I, I actually liked Anna Jelena Jolie's performance.
00:45:10
Ryan
Same.
00:45:11
Katie (she/her)
Like I, I thought she was, I was like, God damn, if she's not so fucking luminous, like, like she's, she's like one of those people.
00:45:11
Ryan
Same.
00:45:17
Ryan
Truly.
00:45:19
Katie (she/her)
And I think Marilyn Monroe also is one of these people. Like you, like you, you, she, you see her on screen and you're like, Oh yeah, I know.
00:45:27
Ryan
yeah
00:45:27
Katie (she/her)
what i like, I know why people are so drawn. Like, and it like the camera goes to her, like your eye just goes to her when she's on screen. Like, like, And she's, it's a supporting role.
00:45:39
Katie (she/her)
She's not like, she's, she doesn't talk a lot, but like when she does, you're like, oh, she's really putting it she's putting it in performance.
00:45:39
Ryan
Yeah, she doesn't talk a lot.
00:45:46
Katie (she/her)
Like she's not, she's not phoning it in by any means.
00:45:50
Ryan
She acts her ass off.
00:45:50
Katie (she/her)
And you're like, she, she really does. And she has that lovely connection with Gilgamesh. Like you, it like you she gets this lovely little storyline and you're like, fuck yeah, Angelina Jolie in the MCU.
00:45:56
Ryan
Uh-huh.
00:46:00
Ryan
Yeah.
00:46:02
Katie (she/her)
Okay. And then like, we never see her again.
00:46:03
Ryan
Yeah.
00:46:04
Katie (she/her)
Like, okay, great.
00:46:04
Ryan
No.
00:46:05
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:46:06
Ryan
So, I mean, maybe instead of trying to like talk through this plot, because, okay, so one thing that Sean and I laughed about was no one wanted to record about these artists.
00:46:19
Katie (she/her)
I'm gay.
00:46:19
Ryan
So it's, yeah, i
00:46:21
Katie (she/her)
I love that I was like, yeah, sure, i'll I'll watch this. Like, whatever.
00:46:24
Ryan
I was so excited. Like when the idea came to me, I was like, oh wait, that's actually such a great idea. And then I was so nervous that you're going be like, I don't want to watch this movie. Like I was so nervous that you were going to say no, um because no one wanted to watch it.
00:46:38
Ryan
And that's like, I I'm so glad to have you here. And I can't wait to do a movie. That's like really exciting and fun with you. But yeah it just, this is, it's, it's beautiful.
00:46:46
Shauna (she/her)
Wow.
00:46:49
Shauna (she/her)
You said so much about the Eternals there.
00:46:53
Ryan
Okay. So let's say that it is a stunning visual movie.
00:46:56
Katie (she/her)
It is very is shot very well.
00:46:57
Shauna (she/her)
It's kind of a mess, though.
00:46:59
Ryan
Say more, say more.
00:47:01
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, I want to hear more.
00:47:01
Shauna (she/her)
It's such a mess of a movie.
00:47:05
Ryan
Yeah.
00:47:05
Shauna (she/her)
I just feel like it's not doing anything. It meanders and it has so much character bloat. When I realized, oh, they still have to go recruit two other fucking people.
00:47:19
Ryan
Yes.
00:47:19
Shauna (she/her)
I was like, how have they not gotten the band back together already? How are we still gathering people again?
00:47:26
Ryan
The fellowship.
00:47:26
Shauna (she/her)
It was like, it just...
00:47:27
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:47:27
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, it's like, alright. Maybe it's... like I just it's just there was so much and I just and again like again like the whole plot of like the bad guys being like you know a bad first draft and I just feel like this movie was kind of a bad first draft like they didn't know what to do with this phase and then that's how they get the Eternals
00:47:47
Ryan
you
00:47:51
Katie (she/her)
I, so I texted a friend of mine and I was, I texted like ah a group chat and I was like, Hey, has anybody seen the Eternals?
00:47:56
Shauna (she/her)
yeah
00:47:56
Katie (she/her)
Like I'm watching it tonight for you like, I'm going to be on my friend's podcast. Like, you know, I, I just want to like kind of to test, you know, get the the room temperature.
Eternals as a Limited Series: A Better Fit?
00:48:04
Katie (she/her)
And a friend of mine texted me and she was like, yeah, I saw it.
00:48:07
Katie (she/her)
You're like, it's, it's solid. I, I enjoyed it. You know, like I'm sure she didn't see it in theaters. I'm sure she like, you know, was streaming it. And i texted her after and I was like, okay, my capsule judgment, it's a solid, like,
00:48:20
Katie (she/her)
couch movie like okay like i watched it there there was there was some like good performances that i enjoyed some of the visuals were very beautiful um and then but i was like yeah it kind of was a little bit slow to start and i think it would have been better as a limited series like a six episode you know eight eight episodes they really get to know all these characters we can get the band back together on episode two instead of you know like we don't have to like cram this all in
00:48:22
Ryan
Yeah.
00:48:39
Ryan
Sure.
00:48:47
Ryan
Yeah.
00:48:47
Shauna (she/her)
A team of six.
00:48:50
Katie (she/her)
A team of six?
00:48:50
Ryan
Why did we need so many?
00:48:50
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, 10, 10 people. I was like, wait, hold on. There's 10 of you? Like I literally, the first scene where they're all like sitting around the, ah the Arashem statue or whatever. And they're like, you know, commuting with the cult leader.
00:49:03
Katie (she/her)
Cause that's what it also felt like to me.
00:49:05
Ryan
Yes, very that.
00:49:05
Katie (she/her)
I was like, oh no, they're all in a cult.
00:49:06
Ryan
100%. 100%.
00:49:07
Katie (she/her)
We're all in a cult.
00:49:08
Ryan
Which, wild.
00:49:08
Katie (she/her)
You're all in a cult.
00:49:08
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
00:49:10
Katie (she/her)
Like, and so like, I'm watching I'm like counting. I'm like one, two, three, four. Oh my God, there's 10 of them. We have to, we have to get introduced to 10 people in the next 157 minutes.
00:49:20
Katie (she/her)
And like, i wild.
00:49:21
Ryan
which again wild
00:49:23
Katie (she/her)
And I like kept, like, I like looked up and I was like, hey, the pacing is a little okay. Fine. And I kept looking up at like different intervals being like, wow, we're only halfway through. Like, okay.
00:49:33
Katie (she/her)
Like, all right. Like, got it.
00:49:35
Ryan
Yeah.
00:49:35
Katie (she/her)
I can see why it didn't, I mean, it's pretty telling. The only thing I knew about the movie was Kamail Nanjiani's failed, or I guess successful body transformation, but the failed movie.
00:49:47
Ryan
Yeah. Right.
00:49:48
Katie (she/her)
Like that's, that's literally all I knew about it before, before I.
00:49:51
Shauna (she/her)
And that he thought there'd be more Marvel opportunities. Like, alright, I'm staying buff.
00:49:55
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. And oops.
00:49:57
Shauna (she/her)
Still waiting.
00:49:59
Katie (she/her)
Ooh.
00:50:00
Ryan
Yeah.
00:50:00
Shauna (she/her)
Well, like, but...
00:50:00
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:50:00
Ryan
I did see on his stand-up special, he was like, but I actually really like looking like this, so I'm probably going to stay like this. And I was like, i don't hate it either, Camille.
00:50:07
Shauna (she/her)
Good for him.
00:50:08
Katie (she/her)
Fair.
00:50:09
Shauna (she/her)
Good for Emily Gordon, who's a sweetheart.
00:50:09
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. like Yeah.
00:50:11
Ryan
Good for Emily Gordon.
00:50:11
Shauna (she/her)
and His wife is all...
00:50:13
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:50:13
Shauna (she/her)
Well, but like, honestly, having watched this and Shang-Chi, two movies that i when they came out, I was like, i don't really have any interest in because I don't know the characters and I don't really, like it just neither really spoke to me.
00:50:27
Shauna (she/her)
I had the exact opposite feeling after watching Shang-Chi. I was like, wow, this was a missed opportunity. This was poorly marketed. This was a much better movie than I was expecting. I thought it was really fun. I thought the concept was interesting, the way they explain the past, present, all of that, and had an interesting hook for the future.
00:50:46
Shauna (she/her)
i just don't feel that way about the Eternals. I feel like it both neither set anything up for the future. Like, i guess, like, like, here's Eros, that, like, a guy...
00:50:59
Ryan
We'll get to that mess.
00:50:59
Shauna (she/her)
We'll get that, but like, but like, but like, I'm like, oh, and actually, just kidding, guess who? The boyfriend's also a guy.
00:51:07
Ryan
Right?
00:51:07
Shauna (she/her)
Surprise!
00:51:07
Ryan
The boyfriend's also a guy.
00:51:07
Shauna (she/her)
so Surprise! as
00:51:09
Ryan
Literally. Yeah.
00:51:11
Katie (she/her)
I need to write that down.
00:51:11
Shauna (she/her)
Now you know. There are actually more people that should have gotten...
00:51:12
Katie (she/her)
the boy person.
00:51:14
Shauna (she/her)
There were so many fucking people in this movie that even the people who were in it didn't get a full fucking go-over of who they are.
00:51:17
Ryan
yeah
00:51:21
Shauna (she/her)
Shit.
00:51:22
Ryan
yeah the the math of that is actually wild when you think about there's 10 characters that you are supposed to have some investment in but only 157 minutes which means that each of those characters if they were to get 10 minutes of screen time you still have a
00:51:23
Shauna (she/her)
What are we doing?
00:51:41
Ryan
Wait, I'm really so bad at math. You still have a whole other hour almost? You still have another 57 minutes left? What the fuck are we doing? Can we consolidate here? Like, so, you know, we get these first couple and then I think we get introduced to...
00:51:54
Shauna (she/her)
Like the X-Men didn't focus on 10 fucking X-Men. Like shit.
00:51:57
Ryan
No, no. We barely got four.
00:51:58
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:52:00
Ryan
Please.
00:52:00
Shauna (she/her)
o o
00:52:02
Ryan
Like, so...
00:52:03
Shauna (she/her)
I wish we got 10 X-Men. Why couldn't this have been the X-Men?
00:52:05
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. Right. Exactly. Yeah.
00:52:07
Ryan
i would watch 157 minutes of X-Men.
00:52:07
Shauna (she/her)
Would have been better as the X-Men.
00:52:10
Ryan
Always. that's ah That's a tagline.
00:52:11
Katie (she/her)
Always.
00:52:11
Shauna (she/her)
Richard Madden, make Richard Madden a British Cyclops because he's already shooting lasers from his goddamn eyes. Like, so you're like, what are we doing?
00:52:18
Ryan
whos
00:52:18
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:52:19
Ryan
Is that who that is?
00:52:20
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:52:20
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:52:21
Ryan
That's Icarus? Okay.
00:52:22
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:52:23
Ryan
So
Eternals Characters and Their Impact
00:52:23
Ryan
um we see Ajak is dead and that these deviants are basically sucking up their powers and ah this there's this one main deviant, which like again, another guy that I'm...
00:52:23
Katie (she/her)
Scottish.
00:52:38
Ryan
There's a villain guy who's a...
00:52:40
Katie (she/her)
So you, yeah, yeah.
00:52:40
Shauna (she/her)
Because he becomes a guy! He becomes a guy!
00:52:43
Katie (she/her)
So, so you said that you, you like you just said like, Oh, the main deviant. And i was like, there's a main deviant. Like literally like I, okay.
00:52:49
Ryan
Yes. Yeah. The one that they...
00:52:53
Katie (she/her)
I believe you.
00:52:55
Ryan
The one that Thena just, like, dispatches very, very quickly, despite being, like, everyone's...
00:53:00
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:53:01
Ryan
nu Like, he beats everyone's ass throughout the entire movie, and then Thena gives him, like, a quick world chop, and he falls to pieces. Like...
00:53:10
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:53:11
Ryan
Okay, that's not...
00:53:12
Katie (she/her)
Like...
00:53:13
Ryan
That's not lining up with what I expected. I thought he was supposed to be the big bad, but... what was his point?
00:53:18
Katie (she/her)
Nope.
00:53:18
Ryan
If he just dies that easily, what was the point other than to get us to this fact that like the deviants are actually victims and the celestials are bad and that the eternals are not actually gods.
00:53:32
Ryan
Like,
00:53:32
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, that they're in a cult. They're in a cult. Everyone's in a cult.
00:53:35
Ryan
They're in a cult.
00:53:35
Katie (she/her)
That's like...
00:53:36
Ryan
Yes.
00:53:36
Katie (she/her)
like that's
00:53:37
Ryan
it's It's colonization. it's It is the indigenous you know peoples being slaughtered by incoming colonists for the sake of developing a world.
00:53:52
Ryan
And then they're going to destroy that world anyways, which is what the colonizers have essentially done now. So, okay, Eternals, there's a little bit of a metaphor there.
00:53:58
Katie (she/her)
You're
00:54:01
Shauna (she/her)
But also isn't that kind of what Marvel generally did with all of these cultures and backstories and gods and religions and like they really just were like actually it's all been Marvel all along just kidding
00:54:14
Ryan
It was an Marvel all along.
00:54:14
Katie (she/her)
you' like, oh, yeah, great.
00:54:17
Ryan
Yeah. So, ah we...
00:54:19
Shauna (she/her)
Oh my gosh. By the way, my child was like, wait, isn't there an Agatha along? When does that come into play? I'm like, don't you worry about it.
00:54:26
Ryan
Don't you worry.
00:54:26
Shauna (she/her)
You don't know. Because we're literally like...
00:54:26
Ryan
Did you watch Agatha all along, Katie?
00:54:29
Katie (she/her)
I have not. I'm the worst.
00:54:30
Ryan
Okay. No, it's okay.
00:54:32
Shauna (she/her)
Oh no, but that is very good.
00:54:32
Katie (she/her)
I know.
00:54:32
Ryan
It's okay.
00:54:33
Shauna (she/her)
Have you seen WandaVision?
00:54:33
Ryan
do you...
00:54:34
Katie (she/her)
That's what I've heard.
00:54:34
Ryan
What did you
00:54:34
Katie (she/her)
I'm sorry.
00:54:36
Ryan
what'd you say
00:54:37
Shauna (she/her)
Did you WandaVision?
00:54:39
Katie (she/her)
Yes, I watched WandaVision and I watched, yeah, the first season Loki.
00:54:40
Shauna (she/her)
Okay.
00:54:43
Katie (she/her)
So, yes.
00:54:44
Ryan
Okay, so you can you can watch Agatha all along. Like, there'll be some parts that won't necessarily make sense, but it's pretty self-contained. um But do you know that Patti LuPone is in it?
00:54:53
Katie (she/her)
Yes, I do know that.
00:54:54
Ryan
Okay.
00:54:54
Katie (she/her)
Yes.
00:54:55
Ryan
Okay, just making sure.
00:54:55
Katie (she/her)
And Aubrey Plaza.
00:54:57
Ryan
And Aubrey Plaza, who's amazing.
00:54:57
Shauna (she/her)
Who's amazing.
00:54:58
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, yes. I love her.
00:55:00
Ryan
um So, ah blah, blah, blah. We realize that everything is actually bad and not good. So let's just talk about how fun these characters are. So, yeah, Katie, go ahead. where you say something?
00:55:13
Katie (she/her)
No, i I'm just like, I'm looking at my notes because I took notes.
00:55:16
Ryan
Yeah.
00:55:16
Katie (she/her)
Like I was like, okay, what did I say?
00:55:17
Ryan
Yeah, same.
00:55:18
Katie (she/her)
Like I watched it last night um and yeah, there were some there were some interesting things about it, but yeah, like it was just, I wanted more.
00:55:20
Ryan
Yep.
00:55:27
Ryan
So... After we meet Ajak, we go to Kingo, who is Camille Nagiani, who I really liked his the idea that he was this
00:55:37
Shauna (she/her)
mayor rare Mayor Richard Wilkins the third
00:55:40
Ryan
Yes, Mayor Richard Wilkins III, like, holy exact same guy, exact same guy um And, you know, he i love that idea that he's just been, like, gaslighting people into thinking he's different people over, you know, these generations.
00:55:52
Katie (she/her)
This Bollywood dynasty.
00:55:54
Ryan
Yes, I love a Bollywood dynasty.
00:55:54
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:55:56
Ryan
i love him having a valet. Like, I think Kingo is my favorite character out of all of them. um Because, one, Camilla Nagyiani is so... hot like I think he's I thought he was attractive before he was ripped now he's also even more attractive I love he's so funny
00:56:06
Katie (she/her)
Fair.
00:56:09
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. And he's funny. He's so funny.
00:56:12
Shauna (she/her)
He's so... see Very funny stand-up.
00:56:14
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:56:15
Shauna (she/her)
Like, I... His um Call of Duty joke still, like, is one of my, like, favorite, like, sketches.
00:56:16
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:56:22
Shauna (she/her)
Like, or...
00:56:22
Ryan
don't I can't say I know it
00:56:24
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, my gosh, yeah, because he's, like, oh, my... He was playing the new Call of Duty, and they go to Karachi, and i'm like, I'm from Karachi. Oh, my gosh, hey, we should go over there. That's a great convenience store. We should stop at...
00:56:34
Shauna (she/her)
Like, he's, like, just, like, giving, like... It was just a...
00:56:39
Ryan
Karachi is a real place where real people live. Call of Duty. It's kind of wild.
00:56:44
Katie (she/her)
yeah with those
00:56:44
Ryan
ah So Kingo has like shoot him up hands, ah which I think is cool that he basically does gangster hands. Yes.
00:56:53
Katie (she/her)
yeah yeah it yeah yeah but he's like quippy about it
00:56:53
Ryan
Yes. Kamehameha also. He goes full Kamehameha.
00:56:55
Shauna (she/her)
He kind of shoots things.
00:56:57
Ryan
Yeah. He's a shooty guy. Yes.
00:57:00
Shauna (she/her)
Must be confused with eyeshooty guy.
00:57:03
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, not eye shooty guy
00:57:03
Ryan
Yes.
00:57:05
Shauna (she/her)
Big punchy guy.
00:57:05
Katie (she/her)
He's hand shooty guy. Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:07
Ryan
hand-shooting guy. ah And then Faestus, who can basically make whatever he wants to with energy constructs, a very useful power, I guess, to be able to just be boop be boop beep boop beep-boop, beep-boop.
00:57:08
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:57:23
Shauna (she/her)
So Forge...
00:57:24
Katie (she/her)
Hephaestus. Yeah.
00:57:25
Ryan
He's Forge, but with energy.
00:57:27
Katie (she/her)
ah faceus
00:57:28
Shauna (she/her)
But also literally Forge, because he's based off, like, Hephaestus, the Greek god, yeah, is the god of the Forge.
00:57:28
Ryan
and
00:57:29
Katie (she/her)
yeah Hephaestus, yeah.
00:57:32
Ryan
Yeah, exactly.
00:57:33
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:57:34
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:57:34
Katie (she/her)
I thought his performance, i like specifically, I thought his performance was lovely.
00:57:34
Ryan
Exactly.
00:57:39
Katie (she/her)
Brian Tyree Henry, right?
00:57:39
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:57:40
Katie (she/her)
That's, yeah.
00:57:41
Shauna (she/her)
It was very good.
00:57:45
Ryan
So good. ah Like i' I was trying to find the most respectful way to say, first of all, his husband. Second of all, his husband, his husband not being white.
00:57:51
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm. Actually, one of the... got A gay character... There was even a gay...
00:57:56
Ryan
I'm sorry. i just had to say, like, i was so thrilled that they didn't like, i you know, I'm always going to want to see black love on screen, especially queer black love.
00:57:57
Katie (she/her)
Oh my god!
00:58:01
Katie (she/her)
Like make it
00:58:05
Ryan
But I, Oh, I also am thrilled to see two queer people of color loving each other.
00:58:10
Katie (she/her)
it... When he was like, when he was like, hubby, bee you have to go.
00:58:10
Ryan
And
00:58:13
Katie (she/her)
and I was like, oh no.
00:58:14
Ryan
Flood the basement. Flood the basement.
00:58:17
Shauna (she/her)
Right.
00:58:17
Ryan
I was moist.
00:58:18
Katie (she/her)
Like... know.
00:58:20
Ryan
Habibi?
00:58:23
Shauna (she/her)
God, but doesn't that say everything?
00:58:23
Katie (she/her)
I know.
00:58:24
Shauna (she/her)
that This even has, like, a gay character. Like, one of the main characters is gay, and it was, like, an afternoon, an hour into us doing this, and that we didn't come up.
00:58:32
Katie (she/her)
Yes.
00:58:33
Shauna (she/her)
Like, I think that says something, too, about this movie.
00:58:34
Katie (she/her)
I was like, oh.
00:58:36
Shauna (she/her)
But also, like, like nobody cared.
00:58:37
Ryan
No.
00:58:37
Katie (she/her)
I know.
00:58:39
Shauna (she/her)
Like, gay people didn't weren't claiming it. Bigots weren't trying to boycott it. Nobody cared that. Like, what you doing?
00:58:45
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. Because nobody saw it.
00:58:47
Ryan
Exactly. i will say their kid, their son, breakout star, breakout star.
00:58:53
Shauna (she/her)
Mm-hmm.
00:58:53
Katie (she/her)
Too cute.
00:58:53
Ryan
One of my favorite characters.
00:58:54
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:58:55
Ryan
He was so fricking cute. I loved ah his interactions with, you know, especially after he finds out kind of like who his dad is and stuff like that.
00:58:57
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:59:04
Ryan
It's really, really, really endearing. um My all caps.
00:59:08
Katie (she/her)
I just thought all their scenes were so cute. like They were so lovely and very human.
00:59:10
Ryan
Yes. Agreed.
00:59:11
Katie (she/her)
like It felt very like lived in.
00:59:12
Ryan
Yes. Yes.
00:59:14
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
00:59:15
Ryan
And it also gives a reason, right it gives a reason why Faestus would feel so strongly about saving the world.
00:59:15
Katie (she/her)
For the 10 minutes we got.
00:59:25
Ryan
Like, so the primary conflict is no longer about the deviants. It's instead about the fact that there is a celestial that is feeding off the energy of the humans living on the planet.
00:59:36
Ryan
And the reason they need to destroy the deviants is because the deviants kill people, which basically slows down the incubation process. But this celestial living inside the earth and growing named Tiamat is ready to explode and they have to stop it so that the earth doesn't, you know, doesn't explode. And it creates this divide between the celestials where you have,
00:59:59
Ryan
ah Oh, we didn't get to the other ones yet. Sorry. We'll get to that in a second. So then we also have Makari who has super speed and is played by a deaf actor. The character is deaf. Um, and one of the, uh, pieces of trivia I saw was that her father, the actor's father actually taught the cast how to speak sign language, like, uh, in a way that looked natural. Um, and so I thought that was really cool.
01:00:26
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, nice.
01:00:27
Shauna (she/her)
I like that.
01:00:28
Ryan
Um, And then we have Druig played by Barry Keegan. ah
01:00:34
Katie (she/her)
I wrote, I wrote Druig, Sabrina Carpenter's ex-boyfriend. Like that's literally, I was like, I don't know his name, but I'm going write it down that way.
01:00:38
Ryan
Yes.
01:00:41
Ryan
Yes. And also the the the the unwell one in Saltburn. Did you see Saltburn?
01:00:47
Katie (she/her)
Yes, I did not, but I'm i'm on Tumblr.
01:00:49
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
01:00:50
Katie (she/her)
Let's be real.
01:00:51
Ryan
right
01:00:56
Ryan
I swear to God I saw something about the same thing with like Heated Rivalry. It's like, no, I haven't seen Heated Rivalry. I have Tumblr. Like I already know. I saw, I've seen all the good stuff.
01:01:04
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, like.
01:01:04
Ryan
um Yeah. So Druid can control people's minds. Speaking of cults, we see that he has basically started a cult for himself. And okay.
01:01:13
Katie (she/her)
In the rainforest, question mark, or i I don't remember where, but yeah, yes, yes.
01:01:15
Ryan
In the rainforest.
01:01:16
Shauna (she/her)
The tropical rainforest.
01:01:18
Ryan
Yeah, we love it. ah Gilgamesh played by a man who in the least problematic way possible I absolutely superimposed Wong on Gilgamesh
01:01:31
Shauna (she/her)
I ah felt so bad because like I was like, wait, no, that is a... They are just a very similarly statured, like, just very...
01:01:36
Ryan
that is a different actor yes similarly featured similar sounding actors
01:01:37
Katie (she/her)
It's a different actor.
01:01:42
Shauna (she/her)
so
01:01:43
Katie (she/her)
Well, and also like the first half hour of the movie, I literally had to keep telling myself, like stop stop looking for the other connections, like stop looking for them.
01:01:48
Shauna (she/her)
it Yeah, like, oh.
01:01:51
Ryan
Yeah.
01:01:52
Katie (she/her)
Cause like I was convinced, i was I was like, oh, is Wong an eternal?
01:01:56
Ryan
Right.
01:01:56
Katie (she/her)
And like, I just missed something in the other movies.
01:01:56
Shauna (she/her)
That makes sense.
01:01:56
Ryan
Right.
01:01:58
Katie (she/her)
Like i was like so confused.
01:01:58
Ryan
Yes.
01:02:00
Katie (she/her)
I was like, wait, hold on. Am I supposed to be looking for a connection here? And then I was like, oh no, no, I'm not. Like it's not it that's not the same person.
01:02:05
Ryan
No, that that is the answer to that question throughout the movie. Is there a connection? No. Although, one note I did make that...
01:02:12
Katie (she/her)
No.
01:02:12
Shauna (she/her)
Will there be?
01:02:13
Katie (she/her)
Right.
01:02:14
Shauna (she/her)
Also no.
01:02:15
Ryan
Also no. um
01:02:16
Katie (she/her)
yeah
01:02:17
Ryan
I did, like, one of the things that... ah the mcu you know uh properties has continued to do is like they sort of casually reference the blip um and i do think that that is like an interesting you know part of the mcu story that like even the one thing that i both sean and i will tell you like phase four has a lot of
01:02:29
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm.
01:02:30
Katie (she/her)
right
01:02:43
Ryan
good stuff, a lot of mid stuff. And then there are a couple of things that you should just actively avoid. One of them is Secret Invasion. It is god-awful. It is absolute trash.
01:02:53
Katie (she/her)
Oh.
01:02:56
Ryan
um However, the antagonists in um ah Secret Invasion are this sort of like fringe group of people who feel like they've been disenfranchised because when everyone returns from the blip,
01:03:12
Ryan
There's like resources for them. It's very refugees. Like it's very like people are mad at refugees because they're getting support and resources. And as people who live here, they feel like they are not.
01:03:23
Ryan
And so that's like the fringe activist group that are the antagonists in Secret Invasion. Again, another story where like, OK, they're not wrong, but they're wrong.
01:03:29
Shauna (she/her)
Like...
01:03:29
Katie (she/her)
Got it.
01:03:33
Ryan
Like, you know.
01:03:34
Shauna (she/her)
and and and like I guess ah more so than obviously that situation, but like I can see where I'm like, no, no, we had to suffer through this apocalyptic event, and we should be getting bonus resources for having lived through that.
01:03:46
Shauna (she/her)
You just got to go take like a nap for five years and then came back refreshed.
01:03:50
Ryan
Yeah. And we literally don't even know what happened.
01:03:52
Shauna (she/her)
Like...
01:03:53
Ryan
Like they just went away and came back and I don't think that there's any, like, we don't know where they went.
01:03:59
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, we just like never.
01:04:00
Ryan
Yeah.
01:04:01
Shauna (she/her)
Da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da, in heaven, think they're in heaven.
01:04:01
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:04:03
Ryan
Yep. Another hole.
01:04:06
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:04:07
Ryan
What? Oh yes. Excellent. Well done. Yes. Yes. Well done. huh. Which I kind of feel like, I think you were humming I'm under your spell. ah on prom day. um
01:04:20
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, probably.
01:04:20
Ryan
But maybe it's...
01:04:21
Katie (she/her)
yeah. yeah
01:04:24
Ryan
It's from the...
01:04:24
Katie (she/her)
I would have to, yeah, I would have to look at it.
01:04:24
Ryan
board Anyways. It's fine. We'll survive. um
01:04:28
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
The Eternals' Internal Conflict
01:04:30
Ryan
And then the last one who we haven't talked about, who we have mentioned, is Thena. Her powers are that she serves absolute face. ah She is the very definition of cunt.
01:04:41
Ryan
And she makes weapons with her energy. Like...
01:04:45
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:04:46
Ryan
Angelina Jolie, i what when I was watching her do like the you know the fight scenes and stuff, I was like, work, Tomb Raider. like That action movie you took on however many years ago really paid off big because she's a great action star.
01:04:55
Shauna (she/her)
my god, I forgot.
01:04:57
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. Yeah. She looked amazing.
01:05:01
Ryan
Yes.
01:05:01
Katie (she/her)
She is. Like, she, I was like, oh, okay.
01:05:03
Ryan
Yes.
01:05:04
Katie (she/her)
She's going to like phone it in, like whatever. Like what I, I wouldn't blame her, but like, no, she gave it all.
01:05:06
Ryan
Right.
01:05:09
Katie (she/her)
ah She gave it everything she had. She was like all this pathos and like, she was like losing her memory and like, you know, she's also kicking ass.
01:05:13
Ryan
Yes. Yes.
01:05:18
Katie (she/her)
i was like, what can't she do? Like this is, and she looks good as a blonde.
01:05:20
Ryan
What can't she do?
01:05:22
Katie (she/her)
She looks great as a blonde.
01:05:22
Ryan
she She looks so stunning.
01:05:24
Katie (she/her)
Rude.
01:05:25
Shauna (she/her)
It's true.
01:05:27
Ryan
So does Shauna. She looks so stunning as a blonde.
01:05:29
Shauna (she/her)
sort
01:05:30
Ryan
um And I do think I saw something about how the reason that she did it was that her kids like the MCU. And so like she wanted to purchase. Because obviously like you know most of these actors are not hurting for work but like when you think of again like these prestige actors like Selma Hayek and Patti LuPone and Angelina Jolie you're like do they need to do take a Marvel movie like can't they probably just not but i guess I could see like you know if your kids love it wanting to be a part of it um so I respect her for that yeah
01:06:02
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. Just to be like, yeah, no, I that's ah totally. And, and she didn't, she didn't phone it in. Like she was like, no, I'm i'm here. I'm going to do it.
01:06:11
Ryan
Absolutely remarkable performance. I mean, if so, i will I will say, I think, you know, in terms of the the film itself, the actors all did really well. I really struggle with Selma Hayek's act acting sometime. I got to be honest with you. I don't always see it for her. I don't always see it for her.
01:06:28
Katie (she/her)
I would agree with it.
01:06:29
Shauna (she/her)
We don't start on doing Dogma. And I think if we got to see her as the muse in Dogma, might have made us
01:06:33
Katie (she/her)
Dogma. Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:06:37
Ryan
yeah yeah we did do a run of kevin smith movies we didn't get to dogma though mm-hmm
01:06:38
Katie (she/her)
Excellent point. I love Dogma. um But honestly, my note about Salma Hayek was like, yeah, she can be kind of, she's not really acting. She's just kind of playing Salma Hayek as, you know, like, she you're like, that's just Salma Hayek, like, hanging out in space, um which, okay, great, whatever. um But like i like, I literally wrote down, I was like, somebody put her in a Western because she looks good in the denim and like the sheepskin.
01:07:05
Ryan
She does. She does.
01:07:07
Katie (she/her)
i was like, and the braid. I was like, oh yeah, like put her on a horse.
01:07:09
Ryan
Yeah.
01:07:10
Katie (she/her)
I'd love to see her in a real Western, but like, that's not what we're doing here.
01:07:13
Ryan
Yep.
01:07:14
Katie (she/her)
So yeah, guess we're going to go to space instead.
01:07:15
Ryan
Yeah, she Guess we're gonna throw her off a cliff to reveal that ah Icarus is actually the bad guy.
01:07:19
Katie (she/her)
yeah
01:07:22
Ryan
so
01:07:22
Katie (she/her)
Never trust a hot white man, unfortunately.
01:07:25
Ryan
t Tea. And also, let's... Never mind this. One of my campaigns over the last couple of years has been like, stop telling white men they're good at stuff just because they're hot. Specifically, singing.
01:07:43
Ryan
There are a lot of white men who are attractive that just get on the microphone and sing and people gas them up because they're hot. And we... wish That's... In this essay, I will talk about...
01:07:54
Katie (she/her)
You're...
01:07:57
Katie (she/her)
I do theater, so yes, i i'm I'm an actor. I'm quite i'm quite well versed in the like, hey, we need a warm body. Can you maybe carry a tune?
01:08:05
Ryan
Yeah.
01:08:06
Katie (she/her)
like Great, you're in like
01:08:07
Ryan
The overconfident white man. Yeah, exactly.
01:08:09
Katie (she/her)
Yes, yeah.
01:08:11
Ryan
So ah those are our characters, except for Dane Whitman. um So the team splits because they find out all this stuff where, ah you know, again, we already talked about it. Like basically the deviants are just kind of mad that they have been killed over and over and keep getting put on these planets. And um the Eternals basically...
01:08:35
Ryan
decide that half of them or a chunk of them want to save the world. Some of them are like, no, this is our purpose. That's, we have to see this through. um
01:08:44
Katie (she/her)
We have to fulfill the purpose of our cult leader. Yeah.
01:08:47
Ryan
Exactly. Exactly.
01:08:48
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:08:48
Ryan
So Icarus and ah Sprite are down to end the world because Sprite loves Icarus, which is like its own whole sad thing.
01:09:00
Ryan
Also, Katie, did you watch new mutants?
01:09:06
Katie (she/her)
Did I?
01:09:06
Ryan
was a
01:09:07
Katie (she/her)
No.
01:09:07
Ryan
It was a movie.
01:09:07
Katie (she/her)
No.
01:09:08
Ryan
It was a quarantine movie. That one is actually a really good.
01:09:10
Katie (she/her)
Ah.
01:09:12
Ryan
i i really like New Mutants. it's It's, again, totally self-contained. It's like, you know, it it references the X-Men and stuff. But um they have Wolfsbane. And that actor is played by someone from Game of Thrones who I kept confusing the actor of Sprite for.
01:09:29
Ryan
I kept thinking that was her.
01:09:31
Katie (she/her)
Oh, I was going to say the actor looked very familiar to me and I i was like trying to figure it out and I i couldn't figure it out. um
01:09:38
Ryan
Yeah, again, not the same person, but ah they do they do favor one another.
01:09:40
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:09:42
Katie (she/her)
Did hate her wig though. Yikes.
01:09:45
Ryan
Sprite.
01:09:45
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. I was like, somebody get her a better haircut.
01:09:47
Ryan
Yeah.
01:09:48
Katie (she/her)
Jesus Christ.
01:09:49
Ryan
And, like, this soft, butch, like, mask of center, non-binary, troubled teen...
01:09:55
Katie (she/her)
I actually did. I did actually miss gender sprite in my initial notes. I was like, he is like, I was like, what did i write down?
01:10:03
Ryan
yeah
01:10:05
Katie (she/her)
I wrote something like, what did I say? i was like, what is he? What's his deal? He's kind of annoying. And then like, they said like, feel a whole bunch of times.
01:10:12
Ryan
Yeah.
01:10:13
Katie (she/her)
And I was like, shit, sorry.
01:10:14
Ryan
Oops, my bad.
01:10:15
Katie (she/her)
No.
01:10:16
Ryan
Yep.
01:10:16
Katie (she/her)
o badig Bad wig, bad wig.
01:10:17
Ryan
that's That's an angsty NB teen.
01:10:18
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:10:19
Ryan
Like, I love i love the inclusion of non-binary folks in in this movie.
01:10:22
Shauna (she/her)
Thank
01:10:23
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. Yeah, love it.
01:10:25
Ryan
It's really important.
01:10:26
Katie (she/her)
But, and I, at first I was annoyed by her though.
01:10:27
Ryan
um
01:10:29
Katie (she/her)
I was like do we really have to do the kid actor thing?
01:10:30
Ryan
Totally. She is annoying.
01:10:31
Katie (she/her)
Like, oh man. And then, and then as the movie went, I was like, oh, I see why you did this.
01:10:32
Ryan
She is annoying.
01:10:36
Katie (she/her)
Fine.
01:10:36
Ryan
yeah
01:10:36
Katie (she/her)
Like, all right. Like I'm now I feel bad for her. Like, sure.
01:10:40
Ryan
But if we're being completely honest, like, I think, you know, maybe ah an idea is like, who who could we have gotten rid of? Sprite did not really add anything. Like, yeah, she throws some illusions, but you have someone that can control minds. So why do you need illusions?
01:10:59
Katie (she/her)
Points were made. Points were made.
01:11:01
Ryan
You know?
01:11:02
Shauna (she/her)
Well, and isn't that just it, though? is like And again, like I'm like, okay, I see... But again, even had the most plot of, like again, the literal Peter Pan plot of Tinkerbell can't fall love with Peter Pan because Peter Pan loves Wendy.
01:11:11
Ryan
Yeah.
01:11:17
Shauna (she/her)
Like, I get it, but...
01:11:18
Ryan
Right. Well, and also because she's a child and he's an adult and eternally.
01:11:22
Shauna (she/her)
But she's not a child! She literally just looks like a child. Again, like...
01:11:26
Ryan
Yes. Yes. same Same concept, though.
01:11:28
Shauna (she/her)
But also, like, but also, but again, literally the, like, ugh.
01:11:29
Ryan
Like, they're they're mismatched.
01:11:33
Shauna (she/her)
So, but like, again, why would you do, them why would you make one of them a fucking child? Like, like.
01:11:40
Ryan
It's not that compelling.
01:11:42
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. And like, I got like what they were doing with the whole, like, you know, like I've but i've been watching them, you know, i I hate, I hate being on earth because I've seen humans be born, grow up and then die, which is something I cannot do.
01:11:56
Katie (she/her)
And I was like,
01:11:56
Ryan
Right, right.
01:11:57
Katie (she/her)
Okay, but like, it's the whole, i don't watch the show, but it's the Claudia problem in Interview with the Vampire, right? Like, she was, she was turned, yeah she's turned into a vampire at the age of like 15.
01:12:04
Shauna (she/her)
Yes, exactly.
01:12:08
Katie (she/her)
So she looks like a child, but she's clearly hundreds of years old. So she's an adult mentally.
01:12:12
Ryan
Right.
01:12:13
Katie (she/her)
It's the whole, like you know, like, it's that thing. It's that, that problem.
01:12:16
Ryan
Yes.
01:12:17
Katie (she/her)
And they, like, fiction still hasn't solved that problem, I guess, like,
01:12:17
Ryan
Yep.
01:12:20
Ryan
Yep.
01:12:21
Shauna (she/her)
and ah and and they just, in frankly, a Marvel movie just isn't equipped to answer that question compellingly enough other than the very base level, well, I'm jealous.
01:12:29
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:12:32
Shauna (she/her)
Well, fair.
01:12:33
Ryan
Right, right, right.
01:12:34
Shauna (she/her)
Valid. Okay, but now what?
01:12:35
Ryan
Totally.
01:12:36
Katie (she/her)
Okay.
01:12:36
Shauna (she/her)
Like, yeah.
01:12:37
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:12:38
Shauna (she/her)
So I'm gonna kill you?
01:12:38
Katie (she/her)
Cool.
01:12:39
Shauna (she/her)
I don't know.
01:12:40
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:12:40
Shauna (she/her)
Okay.
01:12:40
Katie (she/her)
Like, i so I want the world to end so I can be reborn maybe as an adult this time.
01:12:40
Ryan
Yep.
01:12:45
Katie (she/her)
Like, great. Okay. Like, yeah.
01:12:46
Shauna (she/her)
No whammies, no whammies, no whammies. Damn it, child again.
01:12:49
Katie (she/her)
Damn it.
01:12:49
Ryan
Child again. Child again.
01:12:50
Katie (she/her)
Like, hmm.
01:12:52
Ryan
Best I can do is kid again. um
01:12:54
Katie (she/her)
but
01:12:55
Ryan
Then ah they are successful at saving the world because they make this Unimind. At the point where they are like it is like optic blasting, climaxing, I'm like, okay, right, it ends after this. i'm like, wait, no, it doesn't. It ends after this. Wait, no, it doesn't. It ends after this. It was like the one of those where like, Jesus...
01:13:16
Ryan
This could have ended three endings ago. And instead they chose to just run out the clock. Like it just, it was too long. They could have chopped so much off at the end, including the post-credits scene, which let's touch on those post-credits scenes.
01:13:35
Ryan
So ah we see Dane Whitman open this. Oh no. The first post-credits scene. is it Eros or Dane Whitman? Which one's first?
01:13:44
Katie (she/her)
It's Eros.
01:13:45
Shauna (she/her)
there's black. Eros is first.
01:13:45
Katie (she/her)
Eros is the first one. And I literally watched it and I was like, I know we're recording this tomorrow.
01:13:47
Ryan
So,
01:13:51
Katie (she/her)
And I just like texted you and I was like, Harry Styles?
01:13:53
Ryan
yes. yeah There was no interaction between like Katie saying like, okay, great, this time will work.
01:13:57
Katie (she/her)
I was like...
01:14:01
Ryan
And her texting me saying, I know we're to talk more about this, but Harry Styles, what?
01:14:09
Katie (she/her)
I literally felt like ti the Tiffany Pollard gift.
01:14:09
Ryan
What?
01:14:11
Katie (she/her)
I was i was like like, is that, what?
01:14:13
Ryan
What? What?
01:14:15
Katie (she/her)
Like, what is he doing here?
01:14:17
Ryan
And why?
01:14:17
Katie (she/her)
are you, and why?
01:14:18
Ryan
And why is Patton Oswald voicing a drunk fucking gnome creature?
01:14:23
Katie (she/her)
was Was that, oh my God, I didn't realize.
01:14:24
Shauna (she/her)
Who's the brother of Thanos?
01:14:27
Ryan
the Yes, and then Eros is the brother of Thanos for no reason. Like, what?
01:14:31
Katie (she/her)
what ah What a family. that's like It's what's happening right now?
01:14:33
Ryan
What if... And why doesn't he have a nut section?
01:14:39
Shauna (she/her)
Or is purple?
01:14:41
Ryan
Why isn't he purple with a nutsack chin in the words of ah Chris Pratt's only good part of that entire, his existence?
01:14:43
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:14:48
Katie (she/her)
Fair.
01:14:49
Shauna (she/her)
Chris Pratt.
01:14:49
Ryan
um Yeah, so they all split up or whatever. like ah Cersei goes missing because she gets abducted by Arishem with, I think, Athena and someone else.
01:15:05
Ryan
And then they're on the ship with like... ah
01:15:10
Ryan
Druig and maybe, I can't remember who's where, but basically all, yeah, they all split up and ah yes.
01:15:13
Katie (she/her)
I think it's Druig, yeah. Yeah.
01:15:17
Shauna (she/her)
Well, isn't that a problem though? Like, and then they're all somewhere.
01:15:21
Ryan
Then they're all somewhere.
01:15:21
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, they're on a they're on this ship.
01:15:22
Shauna (she/her)
you.
01:15:23
Katie (she/her)
They're on they're not on their ship. they're on They're with Arishem in the place. And they're like, where'd they go? We have to find them. And then like you figure then then you find out that Icarus has betrayed everybody the whole time, never trust a white man with a jawline.
01:15:30
Ryan
Right.
01:15:35
Ryan
Right.
01:15:37
Katie (she/her)
so you're like, oh, OK.
01:15:38
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
01:15:39
Katie (she/her)
and so you're like oh okay
01:15:41
Ryan
And also remember Icarus died because he flew into the sun, which, you know, I guess that is kind of a, yes.
01:15:46
Katie (she/her)
Right. Which he chooses to do on purpose. He suicides. Like he suicides in this movie, which they telegraph. They do telegraph that. But like, it's, you know, it's very much like, it's like, oh, he doesn't, there's no redemption arc.
01:15:54
Ryan
Very much so.
01:16:01
Katie (she/her)
There's no like, yeah I don't know. It just felt like they could have dealt with it in a longer way. If this is a TV show, like there could have been more, there's like a fallout or something.
01:16:08
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:16:09
Ryan
Yeah.
01:16:10
Shauna (she/her)
Right. Well, like Steven Universe, when like the arm comes and fights out of the planet's core, because it's kind of the same thing.
01:16:12
Katie (she/her)
I don't know.
01:16:19
Katie (she/her)
I mean,
01:16:19
Ryan
When Icarus comes back as a giant limb voiced by Patolepone.
01:16:22
Shauna (she/her)
well or more like the celestial that's in the Earth's core is like the plot of Steven Universe.
01:16:22
Katie (she/her)
yeah
01:16:26
Ryan
Oh, yeah.
01:16:27
Katie (she/her)
oh, sure.
01:16:28
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, yeah, right, right.
01:16:28
Ryan
That is true.
01:16:28
Ryan
That is true. um So that's that scene. Like Arrow shows up out of nowhere. He's basically he's another eternal and he wants to help them find the other eternals and start telling them all the truth about what's going on. They're basically going to be whistleblowers to the fact that there synthetic beings that are sent to destroy planets, which.
01:16:50
Ryan
OK, cool. But like, I certainly don't think that needs to be a sequel. I don't think we need that.
01:16:54
Katie (she/her)
No, no.
01:16:56
Ryan
We're good.
01:16:56
Katie (she/her)
and
01:16:57
Ryan
Keep it.
01:16:58
Katie (she/her)
Again.
01:16:58
Ryan
ah
01:16:58
Shauna (she/her)
Do you think it shows up again? do you think like the Thanos is weird? no
01:17:03
Ryan
You mean Harry Styles? I don't know is he he's got it He just released a new song that's really good, so I'll i'll give him that.
01:17:04
Shauna (she/her)
roor
01:17:09
Katie (she/her)
didn't Didn't he do a really... he did he just did a movie with Florence Pugh, didn't he?
01:17:15
Ryan
Oh, yes.
01:17:15
Katie (she/her)
And his performance was ah widely panned, I believe.
01:17:16
Ryan
Yes.
01:17:21
Ryan
Okay. Yeah, that kind of checks out.
01:17:22
Katie (she/her)
So...
01:17:23
Ryan
I mean, not everyone needs to cross over. You could just make great music and wear cute clothes and do your thing.
01:17:27
Katie (she/her)
They're, yeah, two separate skill sets and that's okay.
01:17:32
Ryan
Yes. Yes.
01:17:33
Katie (she/her)
You don't have, you don't have to be good at everything.
01:17:35
Ryan
Not everyone's a resident Katie Atkinson with the singing and the acting and the dancing.
01:17:38
Katie (she/her)
No, no. oh
01:17:40
Ryan
Um... So then the second cut scene, ah we get Dane Whitman, ah who's like clearly unwell in in the movie.
01:17:52
Ryan
A couple times it's mentioned that he needs to like reconcile with his estranged uncle, blah, blah, blah. And then, you know, he's like opening this box that has a sword, which the only reason I know, i think it's probably because like Uxie told me or something, or I went and looked at it, but that is the ebony blade, which will make him the black knight, which is like, you know, kind of the part of the mystical side of Marvel.
01:18:14
Ryan
So um what's the midnight sons? Is that a group of ah heroes like the magic users?
01:18:20
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, it's apparently like the Merlin it's the merlin sword, basically. It's the like...
01:18:26
Ryan
Something like that, yeah.
01:18:27
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:18:27
Ryan
or right But it's not the Necrosword, which is in Thor Love and Thunder, which is another one that I would just say
01:18:32
Shauna (she/her)
Of course not.
Blade's Post-Credits Scene: Relevance?
01:18:33
Katie (she/her)
There's so many, so many swords, so many stones.
01:18:33
Ryan
skip.
01:18:34
Ryan
Don't bother.
01:18:37
Katie (she/her)
Like, like,
01:18:37
Ryan
So many swords, so many stones, so little time. Um... So ah as he's getting ready to touch the ebony blade, we hear a disembodied voice say, are you sure you're ready to do that?
01:18:54
Ryan
Katie, could you tell whose voice that was?
01:18:56
Katie (she/her)
I know I could not.
01:18:58
Ryan
i didn't know.
01:18:58
Katie (she/her)
I'd have to listen to it again. yeah I'd have to listen to it again.
01:19:01
Ryan
It is.
01:19:01
Katie (she/her)
Cause like, I was like, wait, what, what? like
01:19:04
Ryan
Yeah, it's Mahershala Ali's blade, which doesn't exist anymore.
01:19:10
Katie (she/her)
Oh, which doesn't exist anymore.
01:19:11
Ryan
So exactly.
01:19:12
Katie (she/her)
so so literally this movie is just a black hole. Like, yeah.
01:19:15
Ryan
this it's a, it's a black hole.
01:19:16
Shauna (she/her)
But also, why?
01:19:16
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:19:18
Ryan
Like what?
01:19:19
Katie (she/her)
yeah
01:19:19
Shauna (she/her)
Why would Blade be there? What? Okay.
01:19:22
Ryan
So I think that is so blade, the black night, like, again, the, what I know about the midnight sons, like those are core characters in the midnight sons, like the, the, any of the magic users, the sort of mystical groups.
01:19:33
Shauna (she/her)
Okay.
01:19:35
Katie (she/her)
Sure.
01:19:36
Ryan
So, it does make sense for Blade to be there, but why are we trying to introduce that? Why are we trying to introduce Blade? Why is it just his disembodied voice that you hope people will understand?
01:19:47
Ryan
Like, none of those choices made sense other than, to Katie's point from earlier, they're just trying to milk people for money. Like, they're just trying to breadcrumb just enough so any and everyone will come and see whatever they want them to instead of doing right by the fans.
01:20:06
Ryan
Like, It just...
01:20:07
Katie (she/her)
And frankly, by the actors, I mean, like if I'm an actor and I'm like, I'm, I'm Herschel Ali and they're like, can you just come into the studio for like literally a line like that is going to take literally 15 minutes.
01:20:10
Ryan
Yes.
01:20:20
Katie (she/her)
Like, okay. And I was like, how much are you paying me for this 15 minutes of my time? Like, you know, and do you just like do that line reading like for 15 minutes and you're like, okay, bye.
01:20:31
Katie (she/her)
Like, I don't know.
01:20:32
Shauna (she/her)
Like, why would they flash to him show him, like why Easter Egg, like, why Easter Egg within the Easter Egg?
01:20:36
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:20:36
Ryan
Well...
01:20:36
Katie (she/her)
Like,
01:20:40
Shauna (she/her)
Like...
01:20:40
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, there's so many eggs.
01:20:41
Ryan
And even worse, they do it in Thor Love and Thunder where they just show the guy that's Hercules. So Hercules gets introduced in a cut scene at the end of Thor Love and Thunder.
01:20:52
Ryan
And he is played by a really hot man who I wish I knew his name. Hercules, MCU actor. um He is played by ah brett Goldstein from Ted Lasso.
01:21:04
Katie (she/her)
Oh, from Ted Lasso.
01:21:06
Ryan
Yeah, and he looks super hot, but his titties are out and furry, which...
01:21:11
Katie (she/her)
They that is you can obviously you can also see those in Ted Lasso.
01:21:12
Ryan
Two for two.
01:21:15
Katie (she/her)
So yeah.
01:21:15
Ryan
Great. He's... So, he...
01:21:17
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, that guy. Okay.
01:21:19
Ryan
Yeah, he plays... So, again, they could have showed us Blade, but I do...
01:21:24
Katie (she/her)
Right.
01:21:25
Ryan
Which now actually makes me think, like, so, to again, to your point, Katie, like, you have this incredible actor. You have Mahershala Ali cast as Blade. You have been talking about him playing Blade for years.
01:21:35
Ryan
And then you get the opportunity to show him, and instead of showing him, you just have his voice. And then now smash cut to however many years later, and they've basically...
01:21:47
Ryan
and indefinitely shelved the Blade Project. Like, you wasted that man's time.
01:21:52
Katie (she/her)
Which I feel like the... Right, yeah and I feel like the Blade Project actually would be a popular one because people know the franchise.
01:21:58
Ryan
So fucking good.
01:21:59
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, and like it's good and also Mahershala Ali is fucking great.
01:22:00
Ryan
So fucking good.
01:22:05
Katie (she/her)
like Why would you not? like Yeah, yeah.
01:22:08
Ryan
So I think one of the other things that ah is like sort of relevant is just, you know, I always wondered ah in Deadpool and Wolverine. did so Katie, I keep asking you these questions like, have you seen this?
01:22:20
Ryan
And I feel like such a fucking weirdo.
01:22:21
Katie (she/her)
Well, I'm I'm I didn't know because I'm the asshole who has not watched any of these movies like but I watched this one for you.
01:22:23
Ryan
ah Did you see Deadpool and Wolverine?
01:22:28
Ryan
Well, so you know, some of them are just kind of like relevant. OK, thank you for that.
01:22:31
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:22:31
Ryan
I appreciate it.
01:22:32
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:22:32
Shauna (she/her)
That's one Wolverine.
01:22:33
Ryan
um
01:22:33
Shauna (she/her)
Also worth it, though.
01:22:35
Ryan
dead one will And you get a lot of payoff from some of these older characters that have been neglected.
01:22:35
Shauna (she/her)
I like the dub group.
01:22:36
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:22:41
Katie (she/her)
Sure.
01:22:41
Ryan
So there's a Wesley Snipes' Blade does make a cameo.
01:22:45
Katie (she/her)
Nice. Nice.
01:22:46
Ryan
ah And one of his lines is, there's only ever been one Blade and there's only ever going to be one Blade. And I heard that and was like, so they're telling us that Mahershala Ali is never going to play Blade.
01:22:58
Katie (she/her)
No.
01:22:59
Ryan
Uh, and then now we have since been told that it is indefinitely shelved.
01:23:00
Katie (she/her)
yeah and We have we have confirmed it. Yes.
01:23:04
Ryan
So that kind of makes me mad, but, um, yeah.
01:23:07
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:23:09
Ryan
So wrapping it up, uh, none of these things actually matter. Um, the most annoying part of the movie is that, uh, some of these things that could have been interesting just didn't pan out. Um, Katie, I know you took notes. Did you have any other specific notes?
01:23:26
Ryan
Um,
01:23:27
Katie (she/her)
Like, what did I
01:23:30
Ryan
Kingo is definitely bisexual is one of mine.
01:23:33
Katie (she/her)
He's a little bit in love with Icarus too. Everyone's in love with Icarus.
01:23:36
Ryan
Absolutely.
01:23:38
Katie (she/her)
um I did write, unfortunately, Icarus is is exactly my fictional type. Timu, Timu Scottish Sebastian Stan. Like that's literally what I wrote.
01:23:48
Katie (she/her)
I was like, oh no, unfortunately, unfortunately I am also attracted to him, but he's evil. So, well, he's not evil.
01:23:54
Ryan
yes
01:23:54
Katie (she/her)
He's whatever. um I did write, leave Faestus alone. This poor man just wants to tinker with his things. Like, that's awesome.
01:24:01
Ryan
Like, and be with his babies.
01:24:02
Katie (she/her)
Like, Yeah. Like, what are we doing here?
01:24:05
Ryan
um
01:24:06
Katie (she/her)
I also, this is an actual thing.
01:24:07
Ryan
Okay, so.
Eternals' Human Integration and Allegory
01:24:08
Katie (she/her)
I did write, it's interesting that they're all above humanity, right? Like all these, these, the Eternals are above humanity. They're like not humans, but they partake in very human rituals.
01:24:19
Katie (she/her)
Like, like Circe and Icarus get married.
01:24:19
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
01:24:19
Shauna (she/her)
yeah
01:24:22
Katie (she/her)
They get married in a human marriage ceremony. Like i was like, okay, you're not human, but you're certainly acting like humans.
01:24:27
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
01:24:30
Katie (she/her)
And then they do funeral rites. Like when Gilgamesh dies, spoiler alert, like when, when he dies, they like cremate him and like scatter his ashes in a beautiful place. And like, it's a very human thing.
01:24:42
Katie (she/her)
so it's just very interesting to me. Like, i I think that was like maybe a theme that they, they wanted to explore more and they just didn't have the time, did not have the time.
01:24:51
Ryan
That they've been humanized, essentially, like that they are no longer that they are a part of us.
01:24:52
Katie (she/her)
Yes. Right.
01:24:56
Ryan
Yeah. One of the things that i I did take note of again is something that I just appreciate as a ah storytelling device. um Having the boyfriend find out about the Eternals is like a really interesting way of explaining it.
01:25:10
Ryan
Like it, it is kind of something that we have seen done in other, you know, pieces of media where it's like, oh, well, we're introducing all this stuff, but this person is totally new to it all.
01:25:20
Shauna (she/her)
Thank you.
01:25:23
Ryan
So we have to explain it to them, but they're really explaining it to the audience. Um, I did like that.
01:25:27
Katie (she/her)
Right, right. right
01:25:30
Ryan
Um, so ah Athena's craziness, the, the, um, the mad weary, ah interesting. Uh, but the way that Gilgamesh calms her down with his, with his hand, like touch my hand or whatever. Um, Shana likes to often make the reference to, ah Black Widow and Hulk with the, Hey, they're big guy. The sun's getting real low.
01:25:54
Shauna (she/her)
Mm-hmm.
01:25:56
Ryan
It's the inverse of that. Like, it's the inverse of, hey there big guy, the sun's getting real low.
01:25:58
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, yeah, it is that. Yeah.
01:26:02
Ryan
um Which is also why love stories feel so unnecessary.
01:26:04
Katie (she/her)
oh
01:26:06
Ryan
I was trying to remember if they were supposed to be romantic or platonic, but I think they work perfectly fine as platonic. Like, I don't think that they have to be romantically linked.
01:26:16
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, Thena and Gilgamesh.
01:26:17
Ryan
I think they can just love each other.
01:26:19
Katie (she/her)
It felt very platonic, to like but like a very deep platonic, as opposed to like the Icarus, Cersei, which obviously was an obvious romance.
01:26:20
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:26:27
Katie (she/her)
And then like, but they...
01:26:28
Ryan
Right.
01:26:28
Shauna (she/her)
It was very Buffy Terra end of season five.
01:26:33
Katie (she/her)
Oh,
01:26:34
Ryan
Aww. Yeah.
01:26:36
Katie (she/her)
but that's what it felt like.
01:26:36
Ryan
Hmm.
01:26:37
Katie (she/her)
It was like, you know, you're, oh, you're, you're going to sequester yourself with me to take care of me. And he's like, yeah, of course. Why wouldn't I like it's rotten work?
01:26:46
Ryan
Yep.
01:26:47
Katie (she/her)
Not to me. Not if it's you.
01:26:48
Ryan
Yeah. Oh, wait, what's that from?
01:26:51
Katie (she/her)
ah It's from a translation of which Greek play is it? I want to say Electra, but I could be wrong. It might be, it might be Oedipus, but yeah.
01:27:01
Ryan
Beautiful. It sounded familiar, but...
01:27:02
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:27:03
Ryan
um So... All I'm saying is if we're going out, why does it have to be by fucking fascist billionaire losers and not Tiamat the Celestial? I keep saying, like, I understand the world is ending.
01:27:16
Ryan
Can it be a little more interesting?
01:27:16
Shauna (she/her)
Don't say that. I don't know, man. i don't know that.
01:27:19
Ryan
Shauna hates it. Shauna doesn't like when I say that. But, like, can we get a kaiju or something? Let's go!
01:27:24
Shauna (she/her)
No, no kaiju. We don't need a kaiju.
01:27:27
Katie (she/her)
We are up on time, though, aren't Pacific Rim, think, takes place in the
01:27:27
Ryan
why
01:27:29
Shauna (she/her)
But like...
01:27:32
Katie (she/her)
Am wrong about that?
01:27:36
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:27:37
Katie (she/her)
am i am i wrong about that
01:27:37
Shauna (she/her)
Well, I mean, that's literally the way that, I mean, but that's literally the plot of the Watchmen.
01:27:39
Katie (she/her)
more
01:27:44
Ryan
Sure. Is there a kaiju in The Watchmen?
01:27:45
Shauna (she/her)
Is yeah technically. And either I can't remember. I always get the movie and the comic confused of which one is which.
01:27:55
Katie (she/her)
Fair.
01:27:56
Ryan
And I've only ever seen the show.
01:27:56
Katie (she/her)
That's fair.
01:27:57
Shauna (she/her)
But OK. Well, OK, so basically like the spoiler alert for a very old comic book. But like the whole point of it is like the best way to get humanity over their shit is to have a big bad to fight against.
01:28:10
Shauna (she/her)
And I feel like we are kind of there because otherwise we're just going to keep, you know, picking like we're going to get.
01:28:10
Ryan
Yeah.
01:28:16
Katie (she/her)
That's a good point.
01:28:18
Shauna (she/her)
And so I think there is something to be said for maybe we'll do a fucking kaiju. But also I don't want that because that's terrible. Unallowed
01:28:26
Ryan
Yeah, you you do have a whole human that is waiting to see life.
01:28:27
Katie (she/her)
That's fair.
01:28:30
Shauna (she/her)
to be. yeah I was like, oh, I don't know.
01:28:31
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:28:32
Ryan
Not to be the resident mom or anything, but I'm like, can we wrap it up?
01:28:32
Shauna (she/her)
Like, so you but like the weird, but the weird things.
01:28:33
Katie (she/her)
Which...
01:28:35
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:28:36
Katie (she/her)
But, like, so I wrote that down, too, about... um that That was actually one of the moments that I... i With, like, the the human the human rituals, like, the human funerals and the human weddings.
01:28:46
Katie (she/her)
And Faestus has a baby. He has a child.
01:28:49
Ryan
It's a baby.
01:28:49
Katie (she/her)
Which is, like...
01:28:50
Ryan
Yeah.
01:28:51
Katie (she/her)
Which, A, is, like, deeply human. And a deeply, like... I always say that, I say this about real people who have who have children who are not fictional. I'm like, what ah what a crazy wild act of hope to have a child in in this in this timeline that we are living right now in this moment in history.
01:29:04
Ryan
Yeah.
01:29:06
Shauna (she/her)
That's true.
01:29:11
Katie (she/her)
What a deeply insane act of hope. And I mean that sometimes in like, in a very positive way.
01:29:14
Ryan
Yeah.
01:29:17
Katie (she/her)
And sometimes I'm like, oh my God, like Jesus, what a, and so like for faces to be like, no, I'm raising a child
01:29:19
Ryan
Yeah.
01:29:24
Katie (she/her)
in in this environment and you know metaphorically in in this timeline like what ah what a deep act of hope you know to be like no i'm gonna i'm going to like we're gonna make this world better if i have to fucking drag it out of the sea myself right like that's that i i liked that moment but again these moments i had to like dig them out i had to dig them out of this movie like there it was there was a lot there was a lot and i had to sort of sift through
01:29:32
Ryan
yeah
01:29:44
Ryan
yeah
01:29:47
Ryan
there
01:29:50
Ryan
And I do think it's also interesting um with... faced us, faced us in, like, even the decision to have a child, like, he advanced humans to the atom bomb.
01:30:06
Ryan
So, like, we get him in Hiroshima, like, looking around at the destruction that he's caused. And they don't, I don't think they ever actually say where it is. I think we just are supposed to use, like, context clues.
01:30:18
Ryan
But it's definitely the atom bomb. It definitely is, like, you know, this massive...
01:30:21
Katie (she/her)
I think they do.
01:30:23
Ryan
Oh, do they?
01:30:23
Katie (she/her)
i think they do, Yeah.
01:30:23
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, I think they...
01:30:24
Ryan
Okay.
01:30:25
Katie (she/her)
yeah They definitely, i think they put the year at least.
01:30:25
Ryan
But like...
01:30:28
Katie (she/her)
So you kind of, yeah.
01:30:28
Ryan
Okay, got it. You know, so he has... he knows what humans are capable of and he still has a child and he has seen all the things that humans are capable of, which I do think is really interesting. Um, and, uh, one of the other things that noticed, uh, faces his hand gestures while he's using his powers. The first time we see him do it, it kind of looks like he's ticking like, or like he's doing the robot. Um, and then another time it kind of looks like he's finger blasting someone.
01:30:57
Ryan
Uh, yeah And then, okay, there's a couple of other there's a couple of other just absolutely ridiculous notes. um So when Cersei transforms the um the deviant into a tree, ah Katie, you did or did not watch Charmed.
01:31:19
Katie (she/her)
I did watch Charmed. I loved Charmed.
01:31:20
Ryan
Okay, it reminds me of a very specific spell written by Paige. Nothing is immune, everything transmute. Take this demon and give it roots. And as soon as they turn that into a tree, i was like, Paige, where are you at?
01:31:36
Katie (she/her)
Oh my god.
01:31:37
Ryan
Oh, terrible, terrible.
01:31:37
Katie (she/her)
i used to i used to write spells in my notebook all the time.
01:31:42
Ryan
Same, same, same. um And then I like when Makari and Druig, it's kind of like implied that they're maybe having a thing. And Kingo says, is this new? Cause I hate it.
01:31:52
Ryan
ah Feels relatable.
01:31:53
Katie (she/her)
I liked that. Yeah. I loved that moment.
01:31:55
Ryan
Yeah.
01:31:56
Katie (she/her)
It was like, Ooh, Oh, but then then I was like, Oh, but tell me more about what's what's happening here. Like, I want to see you with this like forehead touchy, like, let's go explore this a little bit.
01:32:01
Ryan
yeah
01:32:04
Katie (she/her)
Oh wait, the world still needs saving. Oh God damn it. Like, come on.
01:32:07
Ryan
Oh, yeah.
01:32:08
Katie (she/her)
Like, yeah.
01:32:08
Ryan
Yeah. um A specific nerd thing ah for Marvel Rivals, um Shauna, when they are making the thing for the Unimind, and he makes them all bracelets. um And I'm pretty sure Kingo's line is like, bracelets? You made us bracelets? And it's basically a Doctor Strange team up with the Bengals. Yeah.
01:32:28
Shauna (she/her)
It is...
01:32:30
Ryan
And then ah stopping Tiamat is great, but like that is like cataclysmic environmental damage. What do you mean this thing came from inside the earth and broke through and we're just like, everything's fine now.
01:32:47
Ryan
We froze it.
01:32:47
Katie (she/her)
I'm literally, I'm laughing. I'm like laughing because I had that exact thought. I was like, i was like oh, the volcano's erupting and then she turns it. i for For some reason, like I thought she turned it into ice at first.
01:33:00
Katie (she/her)
And then I didn't i did then i like realized, oh, it's stone.
01:33:01
Ryan
Yeah.
01:33:03
Katie (she/her)
But I was like, but like that's a volcano.
01:33:04
Ryan
Right.
01:33:05
Katie (she/her)
So like environmentally, how is this like affecting like the the very immediate environment? And then I was like, oh, is this like an, the whole thing is like an allegory for climate change also?
01:33:13
Ryan
I live alone.
01:33:17
Ryan
Sure, sure.
01:33:17
Katie (she/her)
Cause they were like, well, you know, it heats up. Like we, we have to get like all these people on the earth. So we like, it reaches a certain temperature and population. So we can, so the celestial can burst forth, you know?
01:33:29
Katie (she/her)
And I was like, oh, this is a, this is a climate change allegory.
01:33:30
Ryan
I'm sorry.
01:33:32
Katie (she/her)
Okay. There's not enough. There's not enough that we've crammed into this movie. We have to add yet another thing.
01:33:36
Ryan
right
01:33:38
Katie (she/her)
Like, okay.
01:33:38
Ryan
The giant, like, a there's no tidal waves.
01:33:39
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:33:42
Ryan
There's no, like, what about the sea floor?
01:33:45
Katie (she/her)
Just, just, that's, yeah, it's like this.
01:33:47
Ryan
Just like a hand and like the top of someone's head, which we do get a little more information about in um in the second Black Panther movie, but that's neither here nor there. Yeah.
01:34:00
Ryan
Dane's outfit at the end definitely reads like the Black Knight outfit. um it's And then my final note is it's wild that they introduce three new characters at the end.
01:34:10
Ryan
So they introduce Eros, Black Knight, and Blade, two of which are maybe supposed to be relevant. And one of them is Harry Styles after introducing a whole other 10 set of characters.
01:34:21
Ryan
Like, God damn.
01:34:23
Shauna (she/her)
And Pat Oswald.
01:34:23
Katie (she/her)
Oh, there's...
01:34:24
Ryan
And Patton Oswalt. Like, what the fuck, guys?
01:34:29
Katie (she/her)
Which, like, the CGI, i get it, i understand.
01:34:31
Ryan
Yeah, that was bad. That was really bad.
01:34:33
Katie (she/her)
but it's it was bad. And I'm like, I'm kind of, I'm a little, i'm a little like, ah soured on all the CGI.
01:34:36
Ryan
Pipsy guy.
01:34:41
Katie (she/her)
I'm like, give me some practical effects.
01:34:41
Ryan
Yeah.
01:34:42
Katie (she/her)
I want some practical effects.
01:34:43
Ryan
Yes. Agatha all along is a lot of practical effects.
01:34:47
Katie (she/her)
Okay, all right, all right.
01:34:47
Ryan
Um, so I think the only other note is Thena's speech to Cersei telling her to get up because she's like the new leader was really, really good. Um,
01:34:59
Ryan
So let's jump to a couple of questions. um What power set would you have? who which Which of the Eternals power sets would you have?
01:35:11
Katie (she/her)
I
01:35:16
Katie (she/her)
i selfishly...
01:35:16
Ryan
I think I'm going with Kingo's.
01:35:17
Katie (she/her)
oh the... I'm going to go with the healing, the regeneration.
01:35:20
Ryan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:35:22
Katie (she/her)
i feel like that's that's useful.
01:35:22
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:35:22
Ryan
Ooh, Krodoi.
01:35:24
Shauna (she/her)
That was also the one that really spoke...
01:35:24
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:35:26
Shauna (she/her)
Like, that or, like, being able to create things, but, like, probably just healing.
01:35:29
Ryan
Sure.
01:35:30
Shauna (she/her)
Like, at the end of the day, like, when is that...
01:35:30
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:35:32
Shauna (she/her)
That's always going to be relevant.
01:35:34
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:35:34
Shauna (she/her)
And, like, I'm not doing shit.
01:35:34
Ryan
Great point.
01:35:34
Katie (she/her)
yeah
01:35:35
Shauna (she/her)
Like, I don't i don't need to be fucking out here.
01:35:37
Ryan
What do I need to shoot them up guns for?
01:35:38
Shauna (she/her)
Like, going to be out here, finger...
01:35:39
Katie (she/her)
yeah
01:35:40
Shauna (she/her)
but let Just move along.
01:35:41
Ryan
Okay. Got it. Optic blasting. um
01:35:44
Shauna (she/her)
was going say finger blasting, but...
01:35:45
Ryan
Yeah, I know.
01:35:45
Katie (she/her)
finger blasting and off-dip blasting.
01:35:46
Ryan
I got it. At the same time, one leading to the other.
01:35:50
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, if I'm just eye-fucking people like out here with like...
01:35:50
Ryan
Yeah.
01:35:51
Katie (she/her)
If you do it right, yeah, sure.
01:35:52
Ryan
yeah
01:35:54
Ryan
um So shout out my friend Mandy, who ah asked me this question to present on the podcast. If you had to make a superhero team, like if you had to make a direct translation from a superhero team from a sitcom cast...
01:36:08
Katie (she/her)
you
01:36:13
Ryan
What sitcom would you choose and what heroes would you turn them into? So for example, if Family Matters were the Avengers, I said, Laura would be the Wasp, Eddie would be Wonder Man, and Urkel would be Ant-Man.
01:36:31
Ryan
Take a beat.
01:36:31
Katie (she/her)
I have to tell you, i thought about this question all day and I have struggled with it.
01:36:35
Ryan
Great.
01:36:36
Katie (she/her)
So I would love to know anybody else's take on this.
01:36:36
Ryan
Okay.
01:36:39
Katie (she/her)
So was like, I've forgotten every TV show I ever watched. Like that's just, yeah, ever.
01:36:43
Ryan
Ever. Ever. Like, what is my favorite sitcom? like
01:36:47
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, that's also a hard question because I feel like, oh, who yes.
01:36:48
Shauna (she/her)
Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Fantastic Four.
01:36:51
Ryan
Okay, great. Who's Who. Excellent choice.
01:36:53
Shauna (she/her)
I think ah Will Smith is Johnny Storm, the the fire hothead.
01:36:57
Ryan
Totally.
01:36:58
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:36:58
Shauna (she/her)
And then you're going to have um Uncle Phil is then going to be the thing.
01:36:59
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
01:37:05
Shauna (she/her)
And so then from there, I'm pretty sure you have... um Gosh. Now I'm like, do you go...
01:37:15
Ryan
Aunt Viv or Hillary or Ashley?
01:37:18
Shauna (she/her)
going to say, Ashley feels like she'd probably then maybe, like, you make maybe Invisible Woman?
01:37:23
Ryan
Well, does it have to be one-to-one relationships?
01:37:23
Shauna (she/her)
Like, or the, like, the either youngest.
01:37:25
Katie (she/her)
yeah.
01:37:27
Shauna (she/her)
I don't know if it does. It doesn't have to be. I'm just, like, thinking, like.
01:37:30
Ryan
So, wait, I'm going to carry it out. So Johnny is Will Smith.
01:37:33
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah. Yeah.
01:37:35
Ryan
ah Uncle Phil is the thing. Aunt Viv, original Aunt Viv, is Invisible Woman. um ah wait, no, he would have to Reed.
01:37:46
Ryan
So...
01:37:46
Shauna (she/her)
Little Nicky's Franklin.
01:37:47
Ryan
um i was...
01:37:49
Shauna (she/her)
Nope.
01:37:49
Ryan
no I was going to say Carlton's Franklin and Ashley is Valeria.
01:37:51
Katie (she/her)
yeah
01:37:51
Shauna (she/her)
Ooh, okay, okay.
01:37:53
Ryan
um
01:37:54
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm.
01:37:55
Ryan
ah Jeffrey is the little robot. And... ah So... Viv is Invisible Woman. Uncle Phil is Reed Richards.
01:38:06
Ryan
Johnny is... Will. And then The Thing is like... Oh, the thing can be, um who's the, uh, the neighbor, uh, uh, uh, jazz.
01:38:20
Shauna (she/her)
Jazzy Jeff.
01:38:20
Ryan
Yeah. Jazz. ah Jazz is, uh, jazz is the thing. um then that did throw me down, ah
01:38:26
Katie (she/her)
I love this.
01:38:29
Ryan
um Sister, sister. And we could perhaps make sister, sister, the Scooby gang with ah the
01:38:36
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm.
01:38:38
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:38:40
Ryan
Tia being Buffy and Tamara being Faith. And Roger is obviously Xander.
01:38:45
Shauna (she/her)
Roger Xander.
01:38:49
Ryan
ah Their dad, Ray, is Giles. And ah Lisa can be Cordelia?
01:38:53
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:38:54
Shauna (she/her)
Lisa.
01:38:54
Katie (she/her)
yeah
01:39:00
Katie (she/her)
Oh, that actually, yes, that maps.
01:39:01
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm.
01:39:02
Katie (she/her)
That actually totally maps.
01:39:02
Shauna (she/her)
Actually. Yeah.
01:39:03
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, I agree.
01:39:04
Ryan
Yeah.
01:39:04
Katie (she/her)
Oh, sister, sister.
01:39:04
Shauna (she/her)
like it.
01:39:05
Shauna (she/her)
Here for it.
01:39:07
Ryan
Yeah, that... When you started seeing Fresh Prince, I was like, ooh, sisters.
01:39:08
Shauna (she/her)
I never knew how much I'd miss her.
01:39:10
Katie (she/her)
yeah
01:39:11
Ryan
I never knew.
01:39:12
Katie (she/her)
and then And then probably um Taj would have to be Yeah. yeah
01:39:19
Shauna (she/her)
Yes, Taj is done.
01:39:19
Ryan
yeah. Because never forget that Taj Mahal is in that show.
01:39:21
Shauna (she/her)
And Ryan is going to appreciate the the the Taj Mowry shout-out as a fan of, like, Smart Guy.
01:39:23
Ryan
Yes.
01:39:27
Ryan
Yes.
01:39:29
Katie (she/her)
I love Smart Guy.
01:39:30
Ryan
Wait, who is Ryan? Is that what you said?
01:39:31
Shauna (she/her)
Snacks.
01:39:32
Ryan
Yeah, he does love him.
01:39:32
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, as a smart guy.
01:39:33
Ryan
Some smart guy. um ah
01:39:36
Shauna (she/her)
yeah
01:39:38
Ryan
Okay, any other good sitcoms that would make a good... ah i feel like Modern Family has enough past...
01:39:44
Shauna (she/her)
ah Like, Step by Step is probably all the X-Men.
01:39:47
Katie (she/her)
Step by step.
01:39:47
Ryan
Oh, I don't remember. See, I don't remember enough about Step by Step.
01:39:51
Shauna (she/her)
Okay, okay.
01:39:51
Ryan
That's was Modern Family, which is kind of like...
01:39:52
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. I think it probably does map, but yeah.
01:39:55
Ryan
Yeah, like Modern Family feels also like a ah ah pseudonym for X-Men because they are structured as a family.
01:39:55
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:40:01
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:40:01
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:40:02
Ryan
um
01:40:02
Shauna (she/her)
Very true.
01:40:04
Ryan
and Claire, who's the most neurotic X-Men? ah Wow, not me not being able to think about any X-Men characters. I could just look to the side and just like throw them at people.
01:40:16
Ryan
ah No, I can't think of anyone good for Modern Family. They're not interesting enough to be the X-Men. um I think we got a couple good we got a couple good examples in there.
01:40:26
Katie (she/her)
I think those are really solid. Yeah, those are solid examples.
01:40:28
Ryan
Yeah.
01:40:29
Shauna (she/her)
Maybe we'll just make this a recurring bit and we'll just try and map like I like this.
01:40:32
Ryan
Sure.
01:40:32
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:40:33
Ryan
Just keep bringing it back.
01:40:33
Shauna (she/her)
This is a good like thought process. Yeah.
01:40:35
Ryan
Yeah. And i'll i'll definiteaf i'll I'll clip this part and make it a social media post and see how we can get people to respond. Yeah.
01:40:43
Katie (she/her)
Yeah, absolutely.
01:40:45
Ryan
Last questions. um What piece of nerd memorabilia would you steal from this media? What would you take from the movie?
01:40:57
Katie (she/her)
Oh, that's a good question. um I kind of ah like Angelina Jolie's like whole outfit, like with the what the ah the the gold thing and the shield.
01:41:04
Ryan
Sure.
01:41:08
Ryan
Yeah.
01:41:09
Katie (she/her)
Like, yeah.
01:41:09
Ryan
So would you take her eternal superhero outfit or her really cute gauzy dress that she wears when she's like hanging out with Gilgamesh?
01:41:18
Katie (she/her)
Why not both?
01:41:20
Ryan
Exactly.
01:41:20
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:41:20
Ryan
Okay.
01:41:21
Shauna (she/her)
I think.
01:41:21
Ryan
So Angelina Jolie's wardrobe.
01:41:22
Katie (she/her)
ah Yeah.
01:41:23
Shauna (she/her)
yeah
01:41:23
Ryan
100%.
01:41:23
Katie (she/her)
but Yeah.
01:41:23
Shauna (she/her)
yeah i think
01:41:24
Katie (she/her)
And I really, like side note, would like just like to acknowledge all the Power Ranger colors that like they're like, Gemma Chan can only wear green and Angelina Jolie wears white.
01:41:30
Ryan
hundred percent Yep.
01:41:33
Katie (she/her)
Like that's like, they're like, we're just doing it.
01:41:33
Ryan
Yes.
01:41:35
Katie (she/her)
We're doing the Power Ranger thing.
01:41:35
Ryan
Wow. I really did not clock that. I did not clock that.
01:41:40
Katie (she/her)
I love costume design, so i that's like kind of...
01:41:42
Shauna (she/her)
wo
01:41:43
Ryan
Yeah.
01:41:44
Katie (she/her)
they It's not like a total one-to-one.
01:41:44
Shauna (she/her)
yeah
01:41:47
Katie (she/her)
Some of the other characters don't, but like it's Cersei specifically and Angelina Jolie are like the two that really...
01:41:53
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah.
01:41:55
Katie (she/her)
to
01:41:56
Ryan
That checks out. Shauna.
01:41:58
Shauna (she/her)
Faced us as Ikea table.
01:42:03
Katie (she/her)
ah be to that table.
01:42:05
Shauna (she/her)
The R-I-P-A.
01:42:05
Ryan
R.A.P. to that table. A great scene. a really, really great scene.
01:42:08
Katie (she/her)
That's fabulous. Yeah.
01:42:11
Ryan
Brian Tyree Henry, hysterical.
01:42:12
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:42:14
Ryan
um
01:42:14
Katie (she/her)
Ikea. Ball collection.
01:42:18
Ryan
um Also wild that he is in Atlanta and plays like a rapper. ah I can't remember the rapper's name, but um I think I would take
01:42:37
Ryan
um the mug full of Kingo's spit after he drinks the beer from Gilgamesh's spit.
01:42:45
Katie (she/her)
Oh, the spit beer. Yeah, the double spit beer.
01:42:47
Ryan
The spit beer that is the double spit beer, specifically Kingo's double spit beer. Like anything from Kingo, like King, uh, whatever underwear Kingo is wearing because he's so fine.
01:42:55
Katie (she/her)
Fair.
01:42:58
Ryan
Um, so now our final question, who is the hottest character in this form of media?
01:42:58
Katie (she/her)
I mean,
01:42:58
Shauna (she/her)
So is he your hottest? really
01:43:02
Katie (she/her)
yes. yes
01:43:07
Ryan
I'm going to initially say Kingo, but Angelina Jolie is just breathtaking, but I want to fuck Kingo.
01:43:14
Katie (she/her)
he's She's breathtaking. Yeah.
01:43:16
Ryan
Like if we're talking about like, who am i the most sexually attracted to it's Kingo.
01:43:17
Katie (she/her)
Fair.
01:43:17
Shauna (she/her)
The King is funny. Yeah.
01:43:19
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:43:19
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:43:20
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. Yeah. I've already explained, unfortunately, Richard Madden as Icarus.
01:43:22
Shauna (she/her)
yeah
01:43:27
Katie (she/her)
and And I say unfortunately, like, unfortunately, like, emotionally tortured white men with jawlines and dark hair.
01:43:29
Ryan
Yeah.
01:43:35
Ryan
Yep.
01:43:35
Katie (she/her)
i was like, God damn it.
01:43:36
Ryan
Who are villains?
01:43:37
Katie (she/her)
If this is who are villains. I was like, come on, this is rude. It's rude. And like also has like a tragic love story going on.
01:43:41
Ryan
Yeah.
01:43:43
Katie (she/her)
I was like, this is really not cool. Like really not cool.
01:43:45
Ryan
Yeah.
01:43:46
Katie (she/her)
I've Everybody else is very, very beautiful. I'm going to just, everyone is gorgeous.
01:43:48
Ryan
Yes. Gemma Chan, Angelina Jolie, Selma Hayek, obviously like a quintessential hottie, but king Kingo takes it for me.
01:43:51
Katie (she/her)
Yes. Gorgeous. Yeah. Yeah.
01:43:59
Ryan
Okay. So Icarus, Shauna, what's yours?
01:44:00
Katie (she/her)
That's fair. Yeah.
01:44:02
Shauna (she/her)
I think it's King-O. It's hard. Like, he's funny, too. And that just is...
01:44:06
Ryan
Yeah, it really sells it for me.
01:44:06
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:44:06
Shauna (she/her)
the Like, there are a lot of attractive people in this movie.
01:44:08
Katie (she/her)
I wanted more. Yeah, there are lots of pretty people in this movie.
01:44:10
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:44:11
Ryan
Yeah.
01:44:12
Katie (she/her)
I wanted more of Kingo.
01:44:12
Ryan
madam
01:44:13
Katie (she/her)
i like He like disappeared. He was like, no, I can't fight Icarus. I'm out. And then like we see him later. and i'm like, where'd you go, dude? like
01:44:19
Ryan
Yeah.
01:44:19
Katie (she/her)
Come on, man.
01:44:21
Ryan
Yeah, that is kind of one of the things that, like, what is it like a, crap, what's the word? um A conscientious objector. Like he's like, I don't agree with this war, ah but I like, I don't want to participate in this war. I'm morally opposed to destroying the earth, but like, I'm not going to fight. so I, that you know, that was an interesting perspective. Yeah.
01:44:48
Ryan
Yeah. Any last minute thoughts um before we close out ah for what's next? Or like for for the episode?
01:45:00
Ryan
Are you going to continue watching phase four movies?
01:45:00
Katie (she/her)
No.
01:45:04
Ryan
Did this, I mean, that what an awful what an awful question to ask, but like, did this inspire you to pick up phase four?
01:45:11
Katie (she/her)
What is, okay, so what is in phase four? That's like, I should probably know that.
01:45:14
Ryan
So... so The films are Black Widow, Shang-Chi, Eternals, Spider-Man No Way Home, Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness, Thor Love and Thunder, Black Panther Wakanda Forever.
01:45:30
Katie (she/her)
I would like to watch black the Black Panther sequel because I loved the first one.
01:45:36
Ryan
Yes.
01:45:36
Katie (she/her)
um And I would like to watch Shang-Chi also because solidarity.
01:45:39
Ryan
Yes.
01:45:41
Katie (she/her)
um And also I hear it's really great. um And i but I want to like the Black Widow movie.
01:45:44
Ryan
It is, yeah.
01:45:47
Katie (she/her)
Like I want to, and I just, I've heard like, it just feels too little too late. Like I wanted, I wanted my Black Widow movie like literally 15 years ago and we didn't get it so yeah.
01:45:57
Ryan
yep that was shauna's big big gripe about it um so spider-man no way home is really good shauna have you watched that yet
01:46:06
Shauna (she/her)
I have seen that one. Yeah.
01:46:07
Ryan
Okay, so that's our next film in our Phase 4 rewatch.
01:46:11
Katie (she/her)
Nice.
01:46:11
Ryan
um A lovely, lovely film that I'm excited to to watch. um the The one thing I will say about Black Panther Forever is it's got a lot of grief in it. It's... it
01:46:22
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm.
01:46:23
Ryan
includes you know the acknowledgement of Chadwick Boseman and by way of T'Challa and there's just there's a lot of heavy shit in it but I re-watched it recently and it's still it's still a great movie um but it's it's heavy so you definitely have to be in the right headspace for it yeah
01:46:23
Katie (she/her)
Fair.
01:46:26
Katie (she/her)
Right.
01:46:29
Katie (she/her)
Right. Yeah.
01:46:39
Katie (she/her)
That's yeah, that makes sense. Totally.
01:46:42
Ryan
Okay, ah check us out um on Instagram at RealHotNerdPod. You can follow ah your hosts at Helen Pastels or at Intuitive Blurred on IG and Blue Sky. i use Threads. I don't really use Blue Sky.
01:46:59
Ryan
um so you can follow me on on Threads. Katie, anything you want to promote? Any ah shameless plugs?
01:47:06
Katie (she/her)
No, I have no shameless plugs. I'm i'm not doing a show right now. So I'm just kind of chilling.
01:47:10
Ryan
Hmm.
01:47:11
Katie (she/her)
yeah
01:47:12
Ryan
being just like a regular one job adult.
01:47:13
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. Usually I'm like, yeah, be having one job that is like in front of a computer instead of on stage. Yeah. is
01:47:20
Ryan
Yeah.
01:47:20
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:47:21
Ryan
Well, um thank you so much for joining us. It was a blast. I you know hope to have you on for another one that's maybe better and you know maybe more consequential.
01:47:25
Katie (she/her)
I loved it. Please.
01:47:31
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:47:32
Ryan
um But yeah, this is all leading up to Doomsday, which will launch ah in, well, technically phase five is like in there too, but phase five is like almost even worse.
01:47:32
Katie (she/her)
Yeah.
01:47:37
Katie (she/her)
and
01:47:42
Ryan
Like the fucking captain. Oh, wait, no. Phase five, so phase we're finishing phase five with, uh what's it called um wait okay sorry let me just so phase five ended with thunderbolts and phase thunderbolts it's really really really really good really good okay that's it um thank you so much for checking us out and uh we'll see you next time bye gang
01:48:01
Katie (she/her)
Oh, Thunderbolts, which I heard was a delightful movie.
01:48:05
Shauna (she/her)
We'll see.
01:48:06
Katie (she/her)
Yeah. Yeah.
01:48:14
Katie (she/her)
Bye.