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11: What's Your Fantasy - Dungeons & Dragons (with Jamilah and Kelli)
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We're back and diving into the world of fantasy! We're starting this next group of theme episodes by exploring Dungeons & Dragons with our guests, Kelli & Shauna.
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Introduction and Episode Theme
Fantasy and Nerd Culture: From D&D to Bravo Shows
00:00:33
Ryan
Welcome to Real Hot Nerd Shit, a pop culture podcast where real hot nerds talk about real nerd shit. I'm your host, Ryan.
00:00:42
Shauna (she/her)
And I'm your co-host Shana. And on this episode of Real Hot Nerd Shit, we're going to start our next ah chapter grouping of episodes. It is called What's Your Fantasy? And what better way of starting off with a topic on fantasy than Dungeons and Dragons?
00:00:59
Shauna (she/her)
And on the subject of London Dragons, we have two guests for today, a special we have actually four people today with us. And so I'd like to welcome Jamila and my partner and wonderful, amazing mother to my child and just ah and Kelly.
00:01:07
Ryan
Woo-hoo.
00:01:15
Ryan
Oh, yeah. Welcome, both of you.
00:01:20
Shauna (she/her)
I had, I had to.
00:01:21
Ryan
it's not It's not that Jamila is not special.
00:01:25
Jamilah
Bro, listen.
00:01:25
Shauna (she/her)
Also very cool and happy.
00:01:25
Ryan
It's just that.
00:01:26
Jamilah
It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It is fine.
00:01:27
Shauna (she/her)
I just like, I'm like, well, if I'm giving the Kelly intro, I kind of have to.
00:01:28
Jamilah
It is fine. no you gotta no no chakra chakra chakra please my moon my stars yes
00:01:31
Ryan
Yeah.
00:01:32
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:01:34
Ryan
Yeah, I really did.
00:01:35
Kelli
ah
00:01:35
Ryan
I felt I felt it as soon as soon as it was happening.
00:01:36
Kelli
ah
00:01:38
Ryan
I was like, this is gonna sound like it's Jamila and then the literal creator of joy and the sun in my sky. Like, ah okay, so yes, yes.
00:01:51
Shauna (she/her)
My dungeon master. Yeah.
00:01:52
Ryan
Yes, and in case that got like you know ah covered up by giggling, um Kelly is the DM for um the group of Dungeons and Dragons players, many of whom have been on this cast before.
00:01:52
Jamilah
ah
00:01:53
Kelli
Aww.
00:02:02
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:02:06
Ryan
So we will um get started with getting to know our guests a little bit better.
00:02:06
Kelli
but
00:02:06
Shauna (she/her)
yeah
00:02:14
Ryan
So um for real hot nerd shit, we kind of take this idea that a nerd is someone who is weirdly knowledgeable and really passionate about something. um And sometimes people think that thing is uncool, um but who cares because, you know, it's something that you love. So what are you a nerd about first Jamila and then Kelly?
00:02:38
Jamilah
Okay. Um, I'm a real big nerd about a good portion of Bravo shows.
00:02:45
Ryan
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
00:02:46
Jamilah
Like that isn't what I'm a giant nerd about.
00:02:48
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
00:02:49
Jamilah
Like I remember watching the lead into Vanderpump Rules when it was like the, the, just like an episode of brought Beverly Hills and they just, just walked them through, through Sir.
00:03:05
Jamilah
And they were just like, Oh, okay. Yeah. New show. Cool.
00:03:08
Jamilah
um i like it is my passion like i'm in 18 million facebook groups about my about my illness that i have about bravo so yeah listen let's say you're not ready this is very this is this is this is extreme you're not ready for this so
00:03:08
Ryan
really
00:03:20
Shauna (she/her)
See, I love that.
00:03:20
Ryan
Okay, wait, I have a question. yeah um What happened? Why was Vanderpump Rules trending? Something about the original cast? Are you okay?
00:03:33
Ryan
i'm I'm terrified and intrigued.
00:03:33
Shauna (she/her)
She's very glad you asked what I love that.
00:03:35
Ryan
Yeah.
00:03:35
Jamilah
two i to be honest i am very Two years ago, um there was a scandal, a a a known yeah unknown cheater
00:03:42
Ryan
Yes. Yes, Skandoval.
00:03:46
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
00:03:47
Jamilah
cheated but with a with a friend instead of just some random person that he usually cheated with and then things started to happen so this the last season the season before this last one it was very much rah rah girl power ah we all hate these guys these guys suck they they're rattle and then This new season came in and somewhere in the middle of it, I guess the producers got into the ear of a couple of cast mates and said like, hey, if you don't forgive and try to get people to forgive the people that everyone hates, this man, Tom Sandoval, not Sandoval, but Tom Sandoval.
00:04:11
Ryan
Mm.
00:04:24
Ryan
Sure. Ooh. Heard it. Heard it.
00:04:28
Jamilah
um if you don't get them to like start liking him you're not gonna have a show and so then the two most annoying characters on the show uh Sheena I will say in their names Sheena and Wala
00:04:28
Ryan
Uh-huh.
00:04:39
Ryan
Yeah. Say it. Say it. Okay. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I'm so invested.
00:04:43
Jamilah
decided decided to basically at every turn make the woman who was cheated on, Ariana, seem like it was um like her unrea she was being unreasonable.
00:04:55
Jamilah
When in all actuality, she had just been cheated on earlier that year.
00:04:58
Ryan
Right.
00:05:00
Jamilah
like it They started filming like three months later.
00:05:00
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:05:00
Ryan
Right.
00:05:04
Jamilah
like she She literally had just gotten cheated on and they were like, why aren't you over it, girl?
00:05:04
Ryan
Oh, God.
00:05:08
Ryan
Work it out.
00:05:09
Jamilah
He cheated. yeah like keep seated all you as you should wow so then it became a whole thing it became a whole thing on the reunion and basically just people started doubling
00:05:09
Shauna (she/her)
And just start writing with the gaslight gatekeep girl boss, like just without like.
00:05:12
Ryan
Yes! Vary that. And like on, unlike, you know, across the entire country, I don't watch any of these programs. And I knew about that. I don't even, like Bravo doesn't even exist in my sphere.
00:05:27
Ryan
And it had it penetrated that. That's how deep the the culture of Bravo is.
00:05:40
Jamilah
Lala doubled down and basically said, I don't like you. <unk>ce You think that you're Beyonce, you think that you're above us, yada, yada, yada, all this and all that. And then proceeded to basically the, basically the entire run of the actual, because that was before the season ends. So the entire run of the season, she's telling everybody on all of hers, on all of her social media and her podcast, like, hey guys, I just had, I was being really real. I just had to say something like,
00:06:09
Ryan
Oh.
00:06:09
Jamilah
um like I love her but like I just had to say something I you guys you're gonna understand it because people again were flaming her the entire season like hey we think you're being a jerk and she was like I'm not you don't understand you'll see and then when it came out that like no you were being a jerk she's like
00:06:16
Ryan
Yeah, yeah.
00:06:19
Ryan
Yeah.
00:06:26
Jamilah
Well, I don't like them anyway. I don't want to be friends. I don't want to be friends. It has proceeded to say, I don't want to be friends until basically they got canceled because she sucks.
00:06:29
Ryan
And that's why.
00:06:34
Ryan
Damn.
00:06:36
Jamilah
So, but actually it, to be honest, it needed to be canceled.
00:06:37
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:06:39
Jamilah
They're, they're 40 year olds.
00:06:39
Ryan
Okay.
00:06:41
Jamilah
There's, there's sort of a, like when it started, they were late twenties.
00:06:41
Ryan
Sure.
00:06:47
Jamilah
Some of them were early thirties, but they were mostly late twenties, hot single people in l LA who were like,
00:06:53
Ryan
Sure.
00:06:56
Ryan
Let's be on TV.
00:06:57
Jamilah
I yeah or like they were just like I I'm gonna be an actor I'm gonna be a model I'm gonna be this and then the issue is that like now we're seeing like like like you're still drinking that all the time you're still crazy but now you have babies you have businesses you're you're fucking 40 like this there's nothing about being fucking 40 that kind of makes that seem like it's ugly it's not it's not as fun like I guess technically like it's kind of fun when it comes to like
00:07:09
Ryan
Yeah. Right. It's sad and weird. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:27
Jamilah
it when it comes to like uh let's think like uh what is it oh oh i don't know i was thinking of um southern charm because southern charm has has old men on but so talk that's a whole other can of worms but but but there's something
00:07:30
Ryan
Schadenfreude kind of way. Like. Oh.
00:07:40
Ryan
It's okay. Yeah, rabbit hole. I'm like, so I'm following every turn. I'm like, uh-huh. So Southern.
00:07:46
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:07:47
Ryan
Uh-huh.
00:07:48
Shauna (she/her)
Well, and I think that that's where, ah like, why I love that you're so knowledgeable about, you know, the Bravoverse, the extended, the Bravoverse cinematic universe here, because, you know, being
00:07:59
Ryan
yeah The Bravo cinematic universe.
00:07:59
Jamilah
oh yeah no it's it's it's so it's it's all it's it's also insane because it's just all it's just all about people like
00:08:01
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, there we go. Because being a nerd is so often like, you know, when I like D and&D and comic books, and I do, but there's so many wonderful things to be nerdy about.
00:08:09
Ryan
Yes. yeah Yes.
00:08:11
Shauna (she/her)
And so that's where I wanted to really like, I'm so, I love curious. Southern time.
00:08:15
Ryan
Yes.
00:08:24
Jamilah
all about rich people, mostly rich white people, being their absolute, the yeah, the absolute worst value, worst version of themselves.
00:08:28
Ryan
Consuming themselves.
00:08:32
Jamilah
And that's the reason I like it, because I'm just like, i'm I'm never like, with Southern charm, I'm like, I'm never going to be a rich, like Southern,
00:08:33
Ryan
Yes. Yes. Yes.
00:08:41
Ryan
Oil tycoon.
00:08:42
Jamilah
Yeah, Belle, whose father created a bridge and who whose father was also like the the the governor of the state.
00:08:52
Ryan
Oi.
00:08:52
Jamilah
And then you're ah you're over here at the big age of 45 trying to scam on this 18-year-old and you got her pregnant. if she And the thing is, like you she understand like she is playing the game because it's the game of like you are a hot southern young woman and you want to get with a big
00:09:08
Ryan
Yeah, she's smart.
00:09:12
Jamilah
monied old man and so it's like they're playing each other but it's also is in it's a dip into a world i don't want to be in but also i do because i'm like i just i just want to be there for five seconds like i don't even want to for real interact like i just want to yeah i just want to be in it so i love it yeah
00:09:14
Ryan
Yeah. Yes.
00:09:27
Ryan
Spectate. Yeah.
00:09:29
Shauna (she/her)
Right. It's why I like succession.
00:09:31
Ryan
I genuinely that's what I was gonna say because Jamila you hit the nail on the head that's my what I don't really like drama I don't really um well let me make sure I specify um I don't like drama as a genre as much as I do like comedy action etc
00:09:46
Jamilah
e
00:09:48
Ryan
Um, I also don't like reality television show but because that fabricated
00:09:52
Jamilah
and sir
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00:09:54
Ryan
drama, the other type of drama is just like, I, I see the appeal, but I watch it and I'm like, I hate you.
00:10:01
Ryan
I hate everything. Stop talking. I hate you. Um, because I don't know what it is, but, um, the, I love watching wealthy white people cannibalize themselves.
00:10:09
Jamilah
Oh, it's the best.
00:10:13
Ryan
it's It's a lesson in sociology. It's literally, this is what dominance does. like There always has to be an alpha. so in what I should have put big air quotes around that. like That's how power works. And so succession is literally you know a bunch of wealthy white kids ready to eat their father like for the sake of fame in some capacity. So anyways,
00:10:38
Ryan
I totally understand, not my bag. I think you watched me, Shauna and Kelly, all sort of like disassociate for 14 seconds because I was like, I get it.
00:10:50
Ryan
I get the love.
00:10:52
Jamilah
and but
00:10:53
Ryan
It comes through loud and clear. And I really, we need someone with your voice, honestly.
00:10:58
Jamilah
No, listen, it's, listen, thank you.
00:10:58
Ryan
So brave of you to speak out.
00:11:00
Jamilah
It's an addiction and I'm trying to, I'm trying to, to kick it, but also, you know, it's a big monkey on my back and I'm sorry about that.
00:11:04
Ryan
Yes.
00:11:08
Ryan
What, um, are there any other things that you're a nerd about?
00:11:12
Jamilah
Um, I, um see I'm, I'm nerdy about one No, let me be specific.
00:11:25
Jamilah
There's a single show that I have been obsessed with. I got a DVD of it as like a tween.
00:11:32
Ryan
Hmm.
00:11:33
Jamilah
It's called, um it's it's called Prophet.
00:11:37
Ryan
Hmm.
00:11:37
Jamilah
It was on Fox. It starred Adrian. the guy from ah The guy with deep voice and the big square head from uh he was married yeah he's married to sorry he was married to one of the chicks one of the dixie chicks it's in that in the more recent in the more recent dixie chick uh that they that they uh album that they released during covid a lot of the song yes that slider is about him because he was cheating on uh his
00:11:53
Ryan
Adrienne Pastar.
00:12:09
Ryan
Gas lighter or whatever. Oh.
00:12:19
Jamilah
one of the the ah chicks ah with random women. it It becomes a whole thing. But as but as a young man, he ah there was a one-season Fox show um called Profit, where he was the star. And it's about um a man who is trying to take down a corporation from the inside.
00:12:46
Jamilah
um it's And it it has 90s early 2000s tech in it. And so it's like he, in one episode, in one scene in the episode, he's like on the computer and the computer has it. So it's like you are you are walking through the halls. like it's like It's like a directory. But the idea of the directory is that you are walking through the halls in this building and then you like the little like name tag person is not it's not like it's just like a like a oh picture it's like a little humanoid person comes up and it has the face of like your like name tag on it and then like let's say he got rid of a person from that uh from the building it'll just it'll just shatter that person like that person will just be shattered and be like dude i did business and so then he'll like say something like witty with his deep voice um
00:13:34
Ryan
Oh.
00:13:43
Ryan
I'm, again, fascinated.
00:13:44
Shauna (she/her)
I bought.
00:13:48
Ryan
The deepest cut. the I'm like looking at this. First of all, it looks like, um so it came out and it originally aired in 96. And then in February, 2008, repeat episodes began airing on Chiller and in October of 2010 on CBS Action in Europe.
00:13:57
Jamilah
okay is it is yes it is one season it is one season of some of the the the most like this is 90s with what people believe 90s business is about like it's like
00:14:07
Ryan
So um limited limited viewing opportunities.
00:14:23
Ryan
Mmm.
00:14:25
Jamilah
hey are you a businessman this is what business is like this is how you do it yeah and what the what draws me is that in the is that in the uh the first episode uh spoiler for and something that came on the 90s my apologies
00:14:25
Ryan
Yes. Yes, I do. Uh-huh. Yeah, but we business here. Yes.
00:14:44
Ryan
Spoiler alert, it's literally 30 years old.
00:14:45
Jamilah
see
00:14:50
Jamilah
um A woman walks up to him like he's like in his office and a woman he a woman walks up to him and kisses him and then he pulls back and he's like, hi mom.
00:15:00
Ryan
o
00:15:00
Jamilah
And then that's where they and that's where they cut it. That's where they cut to commercial.
00:15:03
Ryan
What?
00:15:05
Jamilah
And you're like, what is going on?
00:15:05
Ryan
Wilding.
00:15:09
Ryan
Okay, well, I think um pretty much everyone here is sold on profit. Thank you so much. ah Sharks, we're in.
00:15:14
Jamilah
youre welcome
00:15:17
Ryan
Shawn and I are absolutely gonna do an episode, like a chapter of episodes about um shows that only got one season, but demanded, but deserved more. And perhaps we'll have to have you come back on.
00:15:29
Ryan
to
00:15:29
Jamilah
Please, i i was just watching I was just watching it the other day because I ah had to read, this is how ill my sickness is, I had to read by the DVD because I couldn't find it in my home.
00:15:39
Jamilah
So I don't know, i there's a DVD, a loose DVD of it somewhere in this house, but I also have a new one. So now I have two.
00:15:39
Ryan
Well.
00:15:47
Ryan
Okay. So um Kelly, what are what are you nerdy about? And I regret to tell you that no one will ever be as charismatic about their nerdiness than Jamila on Bravo.
00:16:01
Ryan
So good luck. You got it.
00:16:04
Jamilah
i'm sorry
00:16:04
Kelli
That's okay.
00:16:05
Ryan
No, I'm kidding kidding.
00:16:06
Kelli
That's okay.
00:16:07
Ryan
I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
00:16:08
Kelli
um I was like trying to think the whole time like, what should I say nerdy about? Because honestly, I feel like I've been nerdy about a lot of things throughout my entire life.
00:16:17
Ryan
Yeah.
00:16:18
Kelli
Like, my dad is a huge nerd, and I got it from him. So all this is a bunch of nerds. But I think I got the most recent thing I've been very nerdy about is I love games.
00:16:27
Jamilah
I'm just not right.
00:16:32
Kelli
I mean, obviously I'm going to be talking about Dungeons and Dragons, so obviously I love games.
00:16:37
Ryan
Right.
00:16:37
Kelli
ah Most recently I got buried into this game called Blood on the Clock Tower, which is a um social deduction game.
00:16:42
Ryan
Oh, yes.
00:16:46
Kelli
I think it was made in like the UK a few years back and it is Overly complicated like the amount of people are just like this is confusing I might watch this and I don't understand what's happening because everyone has different characters they all have like different powers that help you figure out who It's like a good and evil kind of thing you have Couple evil players and then a couple and then the rest of everyone's good and they have to find the demon who is killing people at night and everyone just has a you know, weird powers and abilities to solve that and
00:16:55
Ryan
sure
00:17:14
Ryan
Sure. Woof.
00:17:22
Kelli
And then one person has to like kind of run the game, which is but my favorite. i thinks I think running the game is more fun than playing it when I watch.
00:17:30
Ryan
Oh, okay. Got it.
00:17:30
Jamilah
Oh, okay.
00:17:31
Ryan
So any opportunity to be the DM you're you're in in whatever capacity.
00:17:32
Kelli
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like, I like being in charge of things.
00:17:36
Ryan
Yeah. Love it.
00:17:37
Kelli
I like, you know, sometimes I like to be in control in these very specific situations.
00:17:42
Ryan
Yes.
00:17:42
Kelli
um But you have to like have the person like from the game and like wake everyone at during the night phase where everyone's eyes are closed and tell them their information and keep track of everything.
00:17:56
Kelli
um and it's it's It's crazy. it's I've watched weird things happen and I always tell, I always and constantly info-dumping on Shauna like, oh my gosh, I just watched this crazy game of people playing and this is what happened.
00:18:06
Ryan
Sure.
00:18:11
Kelli
And she's like, cool. I don't know what you're talking about. You said like five things and I don't know what they are.
00:18:20
Kelli
The end.
00:18:20
Ryan
And that's the best part about being a nerd.
00:18:20
Shauna (she/her)
But I feel very prepared to play it for the first time. Like, um I'm ready because I feel like I've lived it.
00:18:25
Kelli
Yeah, it's gonna be less complicated when you
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00:18:27
Kelli
play it the first time because of do the beginners.
00:18:28
Shauna (she/her)
I'm sure.
00:18:30
Ryan
Exactly. So ah we are clearly, ah you know, I don't remember if we were already recording um when Shawna came in and made the comment about the next four years.
00:18:45
Ryan
I have this gross feeling. We haven't recorded since the election, which is wild. um So ah everything went bad, as anticipated. Things did go poorly, ah pretty pretty like unilaterally.
00:18:56
Jamilah
gee Yeah.
00:19:00
Ryan
ah ah not a lot of great outcomes. um I don't know that we really need to like talk about how much that sucks because there's a couple of more regional or more like important items that we put on the list. um One of which being um like high five Sarah McBride, our first trans legislator in Congress. um And then we grabbed Sarah's hand with love and say,
00:19:27
Ryan
were We're fighting back, sis. We're not gonna just not fight here. So, Shauna, do you wanna talk ah about Sarah?
00:19:38
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:19:38
Ryan
Because you had you had some heat for her the other night.
00:19:41
Shauna (she/her)
I do and I have a heat for a lot of because recently she's been under attack because a another representative Nancy mace of South Carolina has put forth a bill banning her from using the women's restroom in the capital and is then advancing
00:19:57
Ryan
specifically Specifically her.
00:19:59
Shauna (she/her)
But yeah, because there's no other trans legislator. But there are a bunch of other aides and other trans people who exist in that space.
00:20:01
Ryan
Right.
00:20:05
Shauna (she/her)
But as the first legislator, she's the one being targeted and also is then advancing it for all federal property.
00:20:05
Ryan
Great, yeah.
00:20:08
Ryan
Right.
00:20:11
Shauna (she/her)
So museums and a lot of D.C. generally.
00:20:16
Ryan
Oh, not yet.
00:20:16
Shauna (she/her)
And I was very frustrated because on Trans Day of Remembrance, she decided, I'm just going, i I don't want to talk about this distraction. I'm here to help people. I'm just going to use the men's room. And I'm like, that is not the, what?
00:20:33
Shauna (she/her)
And I just feel like one of the number one things that they say not to do when living in an authoritarian, fascistic world is to not compel and obey when you don't have to. And I feel like this need and I understand the need to not want to make it a distraction, but Ultimately, the distractions happening, whether or not you acknowledge it or not, you can say I want to help the people of Delaware, and also say, but as our only trans representative ever being like, I'm
00:20:54
Ryan
Exactly. Exactly.
00:21:06
Shauna (she/her)
I don't want to think about bathrooms as just literally today in our wonderful state of Ohio.
00:21:13
Jamilah
Oh, God.
00:21:13
Shauna (she/her)
our Governor DeWine passed a kindergarten through college ban for anyone on campuses and schools, including employees, children, adults, everyone, to have to use the bathroom of what they where they were assigned at birth.
00:21:30
Shauna (she/her)
And the fact of the matter is these bathroom bills are not a distraction. They are literally a harm that is happening currently. And I want some of my representatives to do better in terms of being able to speak up and speak out.
00:21:45
Shauna (she/her)
And when, you know, Sarah McBride, I think of that like, you know, raising your hand in the ocean and just getting a high five. Like, I feel like that's what, you know, Democrats have been doing for her.
00:21:53
Ryan
Yeah.
00:21:55
Shauna (she/her)
Like, we see you.
00:21:56
Ryan
Yes.
00:21:57
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, that does suck. And we need more from that because so much of the aforementioned election for me was seeing how trying to ignore the, you know, giant elephant in the room of the massive transphobic hate campaign that is going on.
00:21:59
Ryan
Yeah.
00:22:11
Ryan
You do.
00:22:14
Shauna (she/her)
because, you know, and this is going to segue great into Wicked because, you know, you need a good villain.
00:22:20
Ryan
you did
00:22:20
Shauna (she/her)
And they have found one in the trans community, but that is not a reason not to speak up and speak out.
00:22:24
Ryan
They really have.
00:22:24
Jamilah
Mm.
00:22:27
Shauna (she/her)
And so all I ask is that I think you need more from, I need more from Democrats. I need more from liberals and from allies to speak up and speak out about these injustices.
00:22:34
Ryan
Yeah.
00:22:39
Shauna (she/her)
to not have to say well you know what why don't you just obey and we can you know we can just do the important things we'll deal we'll deal with you know the price of bread later but just just go ahead and just use the use the bathroom they tell you to don't do that please one more
00:22:50
Ryan
right
00:22:55
Ryan
Yeah, take, take, I'm, so when we were, when we were ranting and raving on it, I also got, you know, a little heated. And if I were Sarah McBride, I would have left the biggest shit on Nancy Mace's office with a note that said, I'm not going in the men's restroom.
00:23:15
Ryan
So I guess this is my new bathroom, bitch, because I am fucking it up every day in here.
00:23:18
Shauna (she/her)
Right. and And choosing to, and that just is like, she can say, well, I'm just going to not make a big deal of it.
00:23:23
Ryan
You wretched whore.
00:23:23
Jamilah
Yeah.
00:23:28
Shauna (she/her)
But it's also then her not speaking up for AIDS ah and all sort of people who are also having to be in the Capitol.
00:23:29
Ryan
But what if you did?
00:23:36
Shauna (she/her)
And I think that's where it is so important. All of us should use our voices. All of us should be using our spaces and taking up that room to fight and advocate for others.
00:23:47
Shauna (she/her)
And I was disappointed on Trans Day of Remembrance that she failed to do that.
00:23:51
Ryan
Yeah.
00:23:53
Shauna (she/her)
And I'm hopeful that she will and the Democrats generally will do better though. It is hard to have confidence at this point.
00:24:00
Jamilah
it it It really is mostly because i I feel like the worst thing to ever happen to the Dems was for Michelle Obama to say like, when they when they go low, we go high.
00:24:11
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:15
Jamilah
And like, I know that now she has walked that and said like, that was for me.
00:24:15
Ryan
Yeah.
00:24:18
Jamilah
Like y'all, I don't know why y'all are using that, but like, I feel like that was taken and they were like, it's a way for us to like, just get out of everything now.
00:24:20
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
00:24:28
Ryan
The black lady gave us prediction.
00:24:29
Jamilah
like we
00:24:29
Kelli
Yeah.
00:24:30
Jamilah
yeah like so because like i
00:24:31
Kelli
but
00:24:31
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
The D&D Experience and Cultural Evolution
00:24:36
Jamilah
i want so much for the dems to be i i have been loudly vocal into multiple people around me i'm like we need to bring back when we could fight in the in the like congress like back like the only thing i will ever give a racist the one thing
00:24:52
Ryan
yeah
00:24:55
Ryan
Yeah.
00:25:00
Jamilah
the one thing is the only thing I will only give the only thing I will only give a racist playboomer is during that like the one of the last fights that happened before the the Civil War was the guy who hit who beat up the other guy on the floor of Congress because he talked about his cousin he hit it he
00:25:01
Ryan
yeah Real, real tough sell, but go for it. There's a lot of them.
00:25:24
Ryan
Oh, well.
00:25:25
Jamilah
one guy was like uh like a sit it was like senator from this state talking about that probably a senator from our carolina i don't know which either which one it was they're the same to me uh and so he was like you your countryman sucks he's a horrible person something something and then the senator from one of the carolinas was like first off don't ever talk about my cousin i'ma beat you
00:25:32
Ryan
Mm-hmm. Sure. Sure, same. I don't know the difference.
00:25:49
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah, 100%.
00:25:51
Jamilah
And so he, he actively beat him. He, he, he beat him up. And I was like, that is the, we got to bring that back. Like, I think that is what is missing.
00:25:58
Ryan
We need to.
00:26:01
Jamilah
Like the, I'm going to need Democrats to just get the, the, just to, to beat a Republican at their game. You just have to, you have to.
00:26:12
Jamilah
meet the bully where they are sometimes like you have to actually be like so i understand that you think that you're gonna win because i'm gonna just be polite like you want me to be polite to you i'm never i'm not gonna be polite to you anymore i'm actively going to destroy you every single time i see you every single time yes every single time we we meet it's on site
00:26:15
Kelli
Yeah.
00:26:23
Ryan
Right.
00:26:26
Ryan
Right.
00:26:30
Ryan
I'm gonna take a shit on your desk.
00:26:31
Shauna (she/her)
Right. and
00:26:36
Ryan
Yeah.
00:26:37
Jamilah
I'm not gonna beat you up because I will go to jail and not lose my job, but I will verbally accost you every single time.
00:26:40
Ryan
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, or with these guys. They they know.
00:26:45
Jamilah
Yeah.
00:26:46
Shauna (she/her)
Police want you to just be nice and comply and let them bully you and not speak up for yourself.
00:26:49
Ryan
Yes.
00:26:53
Shauna (she/her)
That is literally the like, go that is just a tale as old as time.
00:26:57
Ryan
Yeah.
00:26:58
Shauna (she/her)
And I think that Democrats are very unequipped to answer this moment where these bullies need to be stood up to and the people being bullied need to be stood up for.
00:27:06
Ryan
hundred a trip percent
00:27:09
Shauna (she/her)
And they are just in trying to ignore it and trying to pretend like it's not actually our fight.
00:27:10
Jamilah
yep
00:27:16
Shauna (she/her)
and that is was widely unsuccessful.
00:27:17
Ryan
100%. Or that it's not actually a fight.
00:27:20
Jamilah
even
00:27:20
Ryan
And that's the thing that I think I really, the two things that I want to say maybe before we switch to this perfect segue of um Wicked, the one thing that I wanted to say was i the the part for me around
00:27:21
Shauna (she/her)
Great.
00:27:33
Jamilah
Yep.
00:27:34
Ryan
um Sarah McBride and her statement on TDOR specifically was that, like, I'm not here to do this, but, like, first of all, girl, yes, you are.
00:27:36
Jamilah
Mm hmm.
00:27:45
Ryan
You are literally here to fight. So um I understand that the sentiment was that this is background noise. But, like, at the end of the day, you know, you're standing up for yourself.
00:27:58
Ryan
You're standing up for the AIDS. You are also saying, I just got here. I am not going to be the last one here. because that is the other tactic that they're using. They are making sure that trans people do not feel safe in any of those spaces so that none of us ever get the fucking spine to send a trans person to represent us ever again. And if we keep showing that we're just gonna, you know, roll over about it, then they're, again, but bullies. That's what they fucking do. So, you know, swing on your transphobic uncle on Thanksgiving.
00:28:34
Ryan
um call out your you know fucking rap Thanksgiving is tomorrow. We're recording this the day before. um And so I'm wishing strong hands to those of you that are going to be brave enough to really get the people that need it together um because We got to figure out something with like the election and this holiday because they're too close.
00:28:57
Jamilah
e Oh, yeah.
00:28:57
Ryan
People need time and space to breathe.
00:28:59
Ryan
Like, because again, I'm not i'm not going around the racists in my family, which is all.
00:28:59
Kelli
Yeah.
00:29:07
Ryan
I'm not going around them. And also, it perhaps would have been easier if the election was in like June. Like, what if we went on a fiscal year for elections?
00:29:15
Jamilah
Ooh, that'd be nice.
00:29:17
Ryan
You know what I mean?
00:29:18
Kelli
I mean, I agree.
00:29:19
Ryan
Yeah.
00:29:19
Kelli
My birthday is in November and it was way too close.
00:29:22
Ryan
Yeah.
00:29:23
Kelli
It felt kind of a bit of a downer around my birthday.
00:29:25
Ryan
Yeah.
00:29:25
Kelli
I'm like, okay, I want to celebrate, it but everything's sad and bad.
00:29:27
Ryan
100%.
00:29:31
Ryan
And that's why we continue, and I feel like I said this a bunch on the last one, we just keep living our fucking weird ass life, doing the best thing we can, and yeah, it's stupid, um but whatever, it's the best thing that we can do because we would be hypocritical if we said we're not just gonna keep fighting, because that's ah to be black in this country, especially to be born in the body of a black woman, to be trans in this country.
00:29:56
Ryan
all of the identities of the people represented on this call. We're all fucking under attack in some way, shape, or form. And ah we're still here, motherfucker. And good luck, because some of us are fighting.
00:30:10
Ryan
Some of us are gonna take shits on your desk. I'm lining up number one. I've got IBS Let's go.
00:30:16
Shauna (she/her)
I think you're actually lining up number two.
00:30:17
Ryan
No, I'm kidding.
00:30:23
Ryan
Shauna! removed from chat. but um ah So we also thankfully have all now seen Wicked.
00:30:34
Ryan
um let's ah Let's be brief. So Kelly, you were you're the bigger fan between you and Shauna, correct?
00:30:41
Kelli
Yep, yep.
00:30:42
Ryan
So what were your first thoughts?
00:30:42
Kelli
I've been ah listening to it once it came out. I mean, I loved it. Like I've seen a lot of movie musicals and it it's probably the most that like it to me felt like just see it felt seeing it on stage but with bigger sets and more stuff happening.
00:30:59
Ryan
Yes.
00:31:02
Ryan
Yes. Yes.
00:31:04
Jamilah
Yeah.
00:31:04
Kelli
And i I love that. I love feeling like this feels like a stage show.
00:31:06
Ryan
Yes.
00:31:08
Kelli
It feels like that's where I'm at right now.
00:31:12
Ryan
I totally agree. um And there was actually a moment like right as it was getting started when I took another bite of an edible that China gave me um was like, oh my God, I can't wait to see the Emerald City.
00:31:25
Ryan
Like it it was just, you know, there's a unique experience obviously from like film or from book to film, but this is book to stage to film.
00:31:26
Shauna (she/her)
Mm.
00:31:33
Jamilah
Mm hmm.
00:31:35
Ryan
So there's no, you know, like it, there's no, um
00:31:36
Jamilah
Mm hmm.
00:31:41
Ryan
nobody is going in with a truly blank slate. Like we have an idea of what these things look like based on the stage interpretation.
00:31:44
Jamilah
Right.
00:31:50
Ryan
And it, I think the only thing that really caught me off guard was the idea that like Schiz was by water um because they arrived on boats.
00:31:57
Jamilah
Oh, yeah.
00:32:00
Shauna (she/her)
That's fair.
00:32:00
Kelli
Yeah, I don't think I, yeah, that was, that was, I was surprised by, by the, by water, but I was like, okay, cool.
00:32:00
Ryan
Didn't, yeah, I never really thought about where Schiz would be, but okay, they came by boats.
00:32:05
Kelli
Boats. Why not?
00:32:11
Shauna (she/her)
Shiz is going to be on Nancy Mace's desk.
00:32:11
Ryan
Jamila, what'd you think? She's on Andy Mason's desk.
00:32:18
Jamilah
I so I'm I'm also I'm realizing that um I I've had such like all of my true ah like um Wizard of Oz energy has been just mostly put in towards the Wiz like the yeah and so I I
00:32:38
Ryan
The whiz, yeah.
00:32:44
Jamilah
reason in my mind I was like I'm gonna there's gonna be some connection with them I read I i've read some of them I read the book like I read the book and I know the musical but for some reason I was still like oh my god we're gonna see Eveline we're gonna see
00:32:51
Ryan
Sure. Yeah.
00:33:00
Ryan
Okay, so that's, yes. So I saw a great point. um You know, if there's anyone that doesn't know, ah The Wiz is the all black cast version of The Wizard of Oz that came out starring Diana Ross and Michael Jackson. And um so a couple other big names that I'm forgetting.
00:33:20
Ryan
um But Eveline is the Wicked Witch, so technically Cynthia Erivo is not the first black Elphaba, because Eveline is the Elphaba of the Wiz. And it is kind of one for one in terms of the characters, but we do love that. um Yeah, i I don't remember, maybe it was Shauna that I was talking to about this, but Honestly, like it never I always root for you know a black person to get a role.
00:33:56
Ryan
and It wasn't until we were sitting there watching it. I've seen the stage show probably like three or three times, maybe, two or three times.
00:34:05
Shauna (she/her)
Thanks.
00:34:06
Ryan
um I tried reading the book in high school, but ironically, I was not even remotely socially conscious. So I was like, ugh, what is this? Like I just couldn't get into it. It's really, ah Jamila has known me the longest out of everyone.
00:34:16
Kelli
but
00:34:19
Ryan
And I was not this person um all all those years ago, but um Yeah, i never until we were sitting there, I was like, it should always be a woman of color that plays Elphaba. Like, it just...
00:34:35
Jamilah
It hits different.
00:34:36
Ryan
It's not even like it sells the story. Like it does, because at the end of the day, when Cynthia Arevo washes off her makeup, she's still a black woman and the entire musical still makes sense.
00:34:38
Jamilah
Yeah, it just.
00:34:52
Ryan
And there's something about that experience and like the message of, you know, the skin color aspect of um Wicked.
00:35:03
Ryan
I just think there's something about that. and It's not that, like, obviously Adina Menzel, you know, there's several other very good ones that are all incredible, but just thinking, like, that is something that, it's kind of like Nick Fury.
00:35:19
Ryan
Nick Fury was white until he was ah ah Sam Jackson, and now Nick Fury shall be black from here on out.
00:35:22
Jamilah
Sam Jackson.
00:35:28
Ryan
Like, I swear to God, if they ever put a white Nick Fury on the screen, I'm swinging.
00:35:29
Shauna (she/her)
It just is.
00:35:33
Jamilah
No, it's gonna be it's gonna be the way that we feel about the the Green Lantern. Like there is technically there is a white Green Lantern.
00:35:33
Ryan
Don't do it.
00:35:40
Ryan
yeah Yeah.
00:35:41
Jamilah
No one knows who that white man is. We only know this.
00:35:43
Ryan
Except Ryan Reynolds, obviously.
00:35:44
Shauna (she/her)
John Stewart is.
00:35:45
Jamilah
well no one remembers that but there but we yeah we all remember that the the one black the black green lantern that we have now seen through multiple things so whenever they try to push this white man we're all we're all like um who brought you where are hmm i don't know you get out of here
00:35:48
Ryan
Yeah. John Stewart.
00:35:57
Ryan
Yes. Right. Wherefore, up there, John Stewart. Yeah. And not the not the quippy white man, John Stewart.
00:36:09
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, and
00:36:10
Ryan
Speak. No, go ahead.
00:36:14
Shauna (she/her)
Well, no, I was just going to say, but I think that the like those it are like thinking about the intersections and the ways in which I saw myself in Elphaba and saw the plight of trans people in terms of that like then intrinsic part of yourself that makes you different from everyone else, that everyone else is staring at and can't believe you're there and are unable to take that look of shock that you dare even be a part of it, and those ways in which
00:36:14
Ryan
Please
00:36:30
Ryan
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes.
00:36:41
Shauna (she/her)
that those intersections between the experiences you've just described in mind and how similar they are. and how i and like i And I think that's something that adds that layer of depth that it does speak to those experiences because so often that we are like like there's such an attempt to divide instead of seeing commonality in those kinds of you know avenues of oppression and how they're not the same, but they're not altogether different either.
00:37:02
Ryan
Yes.
00:37:08
Ryan
Well, it's all the same.
00:37:08
Shauna (she/her)
And no, no, no, please.
00:37:09
Ryan
I'm sorry, sorry, sorry. I was just gonna say, it's all the same, it's all rooted in you know white supremacy, and like it's all rooted in imperialism, and like they're all like intimately tied together, and then it's all the isms and shit are just the leaves that spring from that root. And so, yeah, it does feel really similar when we talk about bathrooms, for example. like Perhaps it's a little on the nose to be like,
00:37:39
Ryan
Hey, older black folks that are perhaps having a hard time with the understanding the plight of trans people.
00:37:42
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm.
00:37:48
Ryan
Doesn't it feel kind of fucked up to tell people what bathroom they can go to? And there is a very, you have to be very intentional with that approach because from the wrong mouth, it's interpreted differently. And that's like also, you know, the power of in community conversation where like, hey, call out your uncle because he's your fucking uncle. Don't make it be the trans girl that he's bullying outside. Like you do it. You do the work as, you know, the CIS person or whatever.
00:38:17
Shauna (she/her)
Mhm.
00:38:17
Ryan
um which also was kind of why Annessa Rose does end up becoming a villain in a lot of ways. but um Seeing Nessa in the in in Wicked and kind of being like, this bitch, and she's in a, she uses a wheelchair.
00:38:35
Jamilah
Hmm.
00:38:35
Ryan
It's like, that's that's real inclusion. The fact that I can look at someone in a wheelchair and say, this bitch with the same ire as someone who is not disabled.
00:38:45
Ryan
I feel like that really, you know, that says something about about the importance of representation.
00:38:49
Shauna (she/her)
Well, and as I was watching it, and as she like watches her sister get treated like shit time and time again by her father, by everyone around her staring at her, and she's just, well, she's just there like, hmm, that does suck.
00:38:49
Jamilah
but but
00:39:01
Ryan
Yeah, that does suck. And like, specifically, wrong musical, wrong musical.
00:39:04
Shauna (she/her)
Sucks to be you, but,
00:39:07
Ryan
um it That's an Avenue Q joke.
00:39:09
Shauna (she/her)
uh, hmm.
00:39:10
Ryan
um But yeah, so I mean, we could we could go on about Wicked forever. um it was like It was a touch too long. ah jamila made a group Jamila made a great point at like before we were recording that like, if you're gonna split it into two movies, why the fuck are they each gonna be two and a half hours long?
00:39:30
Jamilah
I just, I, and here's the thing, I, and I, I like, I, I like what they added.
00:39:30
Ryan
Trim some fat.
00:39:36
Jamilah
Like I do like that it feels like a lived in world. I like that it feels like, like, like I could, yeah, like it's, yeah, these feels like real people and yeah, the animals are, and I like the, I like, I've now read so much about like,
00:39:39
Ryan
Yes. Their stakes are real. These people, these are these animals are in danger.
00:39:54
Jamilah
oh I've been all over. I've been on the Reddit. I've been in the Twitters.
00:39:57
Ryan
Yeah.
00:39:57
Jamilah
I've been i've been i've been on the blue sky. I've been skating all over.
00:40:01
Ryan
The butterfly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:40:02
Jamilah
but yeah
00:40:03
Ryan
You've been seeding all over.
00:40:06
Jamilah
And I just, I i i like b ah and how they have now expanded the like they talking animal plot, I guess, for it.
00:40:07
Ryan
um
00:40:19
Ryan
yeah
00:40:20
Jamilah
um i interesting because lots of people on TikTok are are talking about like what they're going to see and in Act 2. So I'm like, all right, well, I'm i'm excited to to see how this goes.
00:40:33
Jamilah
Because like to be honest, if this it was two hours, and we just all we got was like the first three months of her and in like college high school.
00:40:42
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:42
Jamilah
So this is going to really, we're going to be really going through a lot.
00:40:49
Ryan
We're definitely going to have a civil rights movement in Act 2.
00:40:52
Jamilah
yeah like
00:40:52
Ryan
No, unfortunately, the the end of an Act 2, and this is, ah it cannot possibly be.
00:40:53
Jamilah
look
00:40:58
Ryan
I mean, I guess it's a spoiler, but like it happens in The Wizard of Oz. like Wicked ends where the Wizard of Oz begins. So like, wicked ends, well, I guess wicked and wicked ends tangentially with Wizard of Oz.
00:41:13
Jamilah
Yeah, like this.
00:41:15
Ryan
So like, fucking no. We never get to know about the plight of the animals. Although we definitely didn't need to see their intimate living room scene. Well, that sounds funny to think about in a dirty way.
00:41:26
Jamilah
yeah here I I loved it I loved it I love that to be honest I was thinking I was I
00:41:27
Ryan
um The intimate animals. Lesser known parts of Wicked.
00:41:32
Kelli
Bye.
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00:41:36
Jamilah
like tweeted the other day I was like I'm gonna I'm just gonna end up doing like a like a hear me out cake and it's just gonna be all the hot talking animals because that doctor that wolf doctor that's oh that's that's no leopard hot hot
00:41:44
Ryan
Yeah, that's Snow Leopard.
00:41:49
Shauna (she/her)
Like.
00:41:51
Ryan
Yeah, hot, hot. Okay, and then ah last little tangent tangent before we jump into the content. ah We are awaiting um the new Captain America Brave New World um starring Anthony Mackie as, ah what's his chose? What's his name? What's the character's name?
00:42:14
Shauna (she/her)
Captain America.
00:42:15
Ryan
sam Sam Wilson, shut up, Shauna. Sam Wilson, who has now who now has the mantle of Captain America and ah those of us that are too attached to um nerd ah content online.
00:42:34
Ryan
There's a couple of stories floating around about how they're gonna go back and do a second round of reshoots because it did not, like, next month, I'm pretty sure.
00:42:40
Shauna (she/her)
The movie's coming out soon, isn't it? Isn't it like very...
00:42:43
Kelli
Oh.
00:42:43
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, I was gonna say I'm like, it's really late in the game to be doing reshoots part three.
00:42:44
Ryan
yeah Yeah, and yes,
00:42:48
Jamilah
Re-shoots?
00:42:50
Ryan
and yeah, this the second set, because they already reshot some stuff, or maybe re-edited it. they They retooled it. i don't We don't really, I guess, know all the details.
00:42:56
Jamilah
Oh no.
00:42:57
Ryan
But exactly, because it was after after focus groups, they randomly pick employees to participate in focus groups.
00:42:57
Jamilah
Oh, I'm so scared.
00:43:06
Ryan
And I'm like, OK, we don't even need to go down the that rabbit hole of how like, OK, so you randomly select employees at Disney and we should believe that there's a fair distribution of the general ah population.
00:43:21
Ryan
and Okay, got it. um
00:43:23
Shauna (she/her)
I'm going to move to Middle Kansas just so that I can be a part of these focus groups and be like, actually.
00:43:25
Ryan
Right, and just get a real yeah let's find out what that that middle america um no but shauna made a great point which is um it's doomed it's gonna be bad no matter what even if it is the greatest entry into the marvel cinematic universe because they have yielded because i refuse to believe that anything you know i i guess i don't i haven't
00:43:39
Jamilah
Yeah.
00:43:53
Ryan
I haven't read any of the specific critiques. All of these are like leaks from leak sources and blah, blah, blah. But like, yeah, it doesn't really surprise me that the first film starring Black Captain America in 2024, after we just elected a goddamn racist fascist, like, yeah, no, we should already be prepared for people to be dissatisfied.
00:44:17
Ryan
Like,
00:44:17
Jamilah
Yeah, it's gonna be bad.
00:44:18
Ryan
He can't be all things to all people.
00:44:19
Kelli
Yeah.
00:44:20
Ryan
He can't be every issue of every comic and it's just unfucking fair because when we just like trust the process we get things like Agatha all along which was clearly made for and by fans and with intention and love and care and detail to both the source material and who the target demo is because they also are going to have a lot of explaining to do to Black folks if they don't really do this
00:44:57
Ryan
right if and by right i mean like with again intention like he should be respectable he should not be the fucking you know second captain america but we got a good introduction to him at the end of um falcon and the winter soldier
00:45:01
Jamilah
yeah
00:45:13
Jamilah
Yeah, I was wondering about that.
00:45:13
Ryan
it it just it just um It just feels like it's doomed. It just feels like this is gonna be another She-Hulk, the Marvels, where all of the attention is to all of the negative critiques instead of how good it actually was.
00:45:31
Kelli
yeah
00:45:31
Shauna (she/her)
You know, I actually just watched the Marvels, by the way, and it was really good.
00:45:31
Kelli
yeah
00:45:33
Ryan
What did you think?
00:45:34
Shauna (she/her)
I enjoyed it.
00:45:35
Ryan
Yeah, it's cute.
00:45:37
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, it absolutely is.
00:45:38
Ryan
Or it's fun, not cute, cute feels reductive.
00:45:38
Shauna (she/her)
Like, I... No, but like, it's cute. No, but like, this is a cute movie. Like, I mean, are you kidding?
00:45:43
Ryan
Yeah.
00:45:44
Shauna (she/her)
Watching Ms. Marvel geek out over her hero is very cute.
00:45:48
Ryan
Yeah, it is cute.
00:45:49
Shauna (she/her)
Like, but that's just it. But I think that the same thing. I'm like, I see exactly why people hated it. And there's nothing they could have done because at the end of the day, it still starred three women.
00:45:55
Ryan
Yep.
00:45:59
Jamilah
a
00:45:59
Shauna (she/her)
and they did not, two of whom are people of color, and they don't want that. That is not what a certain subsect of nerd fans are looking for, and they've always been this vocal, and they've always been very willing to be aggressive.
00:46:03
Ryan
Exactly. Exactly. Yep.
00:46:12
Shauna (she/her)
Like, you see it in Star Wars with...
00:46:14
Ryan
Oh my god, yes.
00:46:14
Jamilah
Oh, don'll get me started on still don't get me started on the acolyte, man. Oh, my God.
00:46:18
Shauna (she/her)
exactly.
00:46:21
Ryan
Specifically, I actually do not want to open the can of worms of the acolyte um because there's there's so many things there. But even just down to John Boyega in the first trailer for the new in like...
00:46:30
Jamilah
Don't even get me started on top of yoga. Don't get me started. Oh my god. Oh my god. Don't get me started.
00:46:35
Shauna (she/her)
Don't get me started, John Boyega.
00:46:35
Ryan
Okay, so we won't. We're gonna, we're gonna stop it there. Yeah, but but but the point of the matter is like, when are the creatives going to learn, not actually not the creatives, when are the executives going to learn that as long as you
00:46:39
Jamilah
and
00:46:39
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
00:46:51
Ryan
Empower the creatives and trust the creatives and try not to just fucking pander. You'll do just fine because like it seems like Jack Schaefer had a lot of control over Agatha all along.
00:47:07
Ryan
And if she is as much of a gay witch as that show suggests, then she was the perfect person to hand it to. But in general, she already clearly was because it just was so good.
00:47:22
Ryan
So good. So before we get into um the, go ahead Kelly, where you say something.
00:47:24
Kelli
Yeah.
00:47:28
Kelli
Oh, this is what it is. You saying that just made me think of a thing. So this is like really good quote from ah Miyazaki, where he's asked like, you know, when do you when you're writing something, when do you write for yourself? And when do you write for the fans? And he basically is like, I don't care what the fans think. I'm making the thing I want to make and they will have it.
00:47:55
Kelli
And I just, I just think it's sort of, you know, that he gets trusted to like, make whatever he wants. And I mean, I think that's something that like, stuff like Marvel could learn from, like sometimes just, just make the thing.
00:48:08
Kelli
Stop being so focused on like, well, what fans are going to be mad about this?
00:48:09
Ryan
Just make the thing.
00:48:13
Ryan
Right, right.
00:48:13
Kelli
Just let them make it.
00:48:15
Ryan
And when it comes to things like movie adaptations or adaptations in general, like, yeah, you should probably keep some, you know, things in mind to make sure you don't go completely off track, which is actually a great segue into the the conversation.
00:48:32
Ryan
You have to have, you do need the fan um in insight, but the people who work for that project should be people who are inclined to like that material.
00:48:37
Shauna (she/her)
Thank you.
00:48:44
Ryan
Like not exclusively, but like, you just have to imagine that like, if you gave a person like, you know, I'll just use me, if you gave me a chance to work on an X-Men project, I promise you,
00:48:44
Kelli
yeah
00:48:57
Ryan
out like I'll work my fingers to blood, whatever it means, because the idea that I'm getting paid, which I guess is actually kind of fucked up, because that's how they take advantage of like video game developers.
00:48:59
Kelli
Thank you.
00:49:08
Jamilah
Yeah.
00:49:09
Jamilah
Yeah.
00:49:09
Ryan
So there is there is a little fucking comma in all of this.
00:49:12
Ryan
like you know do jobs you love, but like also pay them and treat them with dignity and kindness and all those other things. So anyways, okay, we're here to talk about Dungeons and Dragons, ah the film Honor Among Thieves, but also as a whole, um because both Shauna and Kelly are players. Jamila is a spectator, as I understand.
00:49:36
Jamilah
I actually, well, as of right now I am, the my group that I've been playing with, we' are on we're on hiatus. ah My, the DM and one of the and one of the players, ah they're together.
00:49:48
Jamilah
ah i'm in I'm in a group of couples and I'm a single person.
00:49:49
Ryan
Sure. Yeah.
00:49:51
Jamilah
And so what of ah one of them, ah one of the group of couples just had a baby.
00:49:51
Ryan
but
00:49:57
Jamilah
And so and in the other group of couples is about to have a baby.
00:49:57
Ryan
Oh, great.
00:50:00
Jamilah
And so we're about to, there's about to be two new babies.
00:50:01
Ryan
Yeah.
00:50:02
Jamilah
So we're,
00:50:04
Ryan
You might be on hiatus for a minute.
00:50:04
Jamilah
We're down for right now. Yeah, we're on.
00:50:06
Jamilah
Yeah, we're. Yeah. Until further notice.
00:50:06
Ryan
Yeah.
00:50:08
Ryan
So, so, you know, Jamila kind of, what's your like, um, what's your overall origin story with, um, D and&D and like not, you know, you don't have to tell us, you know, every, cause it sounds like you're a big fan, but like, are you, you're a player, how long have you, what's, what's your connection?
00:50:27
Jamilah
Okay. So I, so I feel like, like, maybe I I don't want to speak for a lot of people, but I feel like it is like ah the running joke that is like you you get a group and then you never meet up or like you hardly ever meet up.
00:50:43
Ryan
Sure. Sure.
00:50:45
Jamilah
And so that was kind of the the the thing until I felt, until like kind of COVID. I think COVID really solidified, like like we're lockdown, we're in the house.
00:50:56
Jamilah
Like we have nothing to do. Everybody has a sourdough starter on the kitchen table. everyone's over here trying to do some type of new pasta like we're you're bored we need to do something and so yeah and so we all of the people that I was that I would usually try to do like one-offs with all were able to like come together and we've been kind of playing ever since until you know people had babies uh so it's been like I never played as a kid
00:51:09
Ryan
We're doing the best we can.
00:51:24
Ryan
Yeah, yeah
00:51:32
Jamilah
uh and so and I don't think I really like I like I'm a fantasy girl like I like fantasy outside of D&D like I like the Lord of the Rings I like the Hobbit I like all of that stuff but I I never thought of D I always thought of D and&D as like a whole bunch of just sweaty nerdy old men in a basement like like ro
00:52:00
Ryan
Hey, they're sweaty 12 year olds in basements too.
00:52:03
Jamilah
That's true, that's true. My apologies to the 12-year-olds.
00:52:04
Shauna (she/her)
They all need deodorant, but...
00:52:05
Jamilah
just
00:52:07
Ryan
They all need deodorant.
00:52:09
Jamilah
And just like rolling dice and uh and like it's telling each other like well I have the urk going here and like
00:52:11
Ryan
Yeah.
00:52:18
Ryan
Yeah.
00:52:19
Jamilah
like that doing that type of stuff like i was i was trying to not like i was trying to not be that nerdy i felt like for me dnd me starting dnd meant like hey you are fully committed to being known as a person who is nerdy like you give it up like put put the hat of like i'm just a normal person away like you put that away like
00:52:26
Ryan
Sure.
00:52:31
Ryan
yes yes yes yeah no you're you're you're cooked you're cooked
00:52:46
Jamilah
Yeah, get the trouble. Get the trouble. Start saying my lady like it's this time, baby.
00:52:49
Ryan
yeah
00:52:51
Jamilah
It's time.
00:52:52
Ryan
Okay, that's so funny because I i too have used D and&D as like a level of trying to describe my own nerdiness. like Because there's sort of, I think there's like an understood like image.
00:53:02
Jamilah
Yeah.
00:53:07
Ryan
And again, it's why, to Shauna's point, like you can be a nerd about fucking Bravo. But like when you hear nerd, you think of you know a specific archetype.
00:53:12
Jamilah
you know
00:53:17
Ryan
And never having been one of those archetypes, I was like, yeah, well, I'm a different type of nerd. I'm this type of nerd, blah, blah, blah. Baby girl, we're all the same nerds.
00:53:26
Jamilah
Yeah.
00:53:26
Ryan
Like, and there's, there's weird sweaty 50 year olds that are also, you know, going to Bravo Con. Let's be real.
00:53:32
Jamilah
Oh, and they're they're the people selling it out.
00:53:33
Ryan
like There are people need deodorant at conventions, period. It doesn't matter what your convention is.
00:53:38
Jamilah
Yes. he Whoa, whoa.
00:53:40
Ryan
And I'm actually like anti deodorant. I'm pretty pro now, but like some of you don't bathe well enough. Sorry.
00:53:45
Jamilah
Whoa, whoa.
00:53:45
Ryan
No, hot take. I'm not take, I'm pro no deodorant if you are a hygienic person. If your body odor just smells like, oh, that person, you know, I haven't worn, nevermind, we don't have to do all that.
00:53:59
Ryan
We don't have to do a, that's a specific subset when Shana and I finally launch a private adult only Patreon for this podcast. Maybe I'll show pits, but yeah, you're not, you're not, the pit tier is gonna go crazy.
00:54:08
Jamilah
the The pitch here is going to go crazy. It's going to go absolutely. The pitch here is going to go crazy.
00:54:16
Ryan
Um, no, yes, yes.
00:54:16
Shauna (she/her)
That's actually gonna be the pit crew. They're gonna have their whole name for that. Yeah.
00:54:20
Ryan
Yeah. We have a fan base. So, you know, it's interesting because my, I played, um, a, an offshoot introductory game to Johnson, to Dungeons and Dragons that I told you about Shauna at volleyball one day and you remembered what it was, but I, ah I.
00:54:38
Ryan
I'll Google it while someone is talking, but anyways, I did try playing a little bit of that role playing game. I have always been a fantasy person. like i Very few people know this about me, but there was a brief period in time where I was an online role player. ah like I had a specific screen name for it. and like I would go into AOL chat rooms with my friends, also putting Anthony on blast yet again because he was there for that nerd thing too.
00:55:02
Jamilah
Oh, no.
00:55:03
Kelli
And.
00:55:04
Ryan
um We had like screen names for, and they were embarrassing. They were like, you know, uppercase X's and shit.
00:55:10
Jamilah
now
00:55:11
Ryan
um But fantasy never stuck with me, period. Like that game never really stuck with me. That, um you know, that role playing era never really stuck with me because I continued role playing.
00:55:23
Ryan
It was just usually like X-Men and Charmed and Buffy and whatever. Um, but the, like you said, Lord of the rings, like, it just, I watched them. I've seen them all.
00:55:34
Jamilah
Yeah.
00:55:35
Ryan
Like it was all because I was friends at one point with a bunch of swell, sweaty 12 year old boys, but specific sweaty 12 year old white boys.
00:55:41
Jamilah
Yeah.
00:55:43
Ryan
And we were like, I'm like, it was just two liters of fucking Mountain Dew and like large pizzas. And just like, you know, DNA stains everywhere from like,
00:55:56
Ryan
fingerprints and other weird things that teenage boys do at sleepovers but and that's a universal experience no one's gonna clock me um anyways thank you
00:56:05
Shauna (she/her)
like I spent a lot of formative years at a comic book shop. I can concur with all of that. that is all very' as
00:56:12
Ryan
So yeah, like this, I watched this movie. i love I would love, I did a one-off with Randy sort of when we went on like a big gate camping trip one time. I'm super down to get in because to Jamila's point, I stopped giving a fuck a long time ago. My friends seem to love it and there it's a group thing to do and I love group games. And so, um you know, I'm a big fan. I'm gonna see, you know, like,
00:56:39
Ryan
It's another opportunity to do things with people who have similar interests, and that feels really nice. um But yeah, that's my that's my my fantasy world. Shauna, and well, obviously Shauna and Kelly, whichever.
00:56:54
Shauna (she/her)
Well, and I think it's a fun, like, cause I think there's so many different ways of going about with the role playing. Like, you know, you can make your own character.
00:56:59
Jamilah
Hmm.
00:57:01
Shauna (she/her)
Like I find that like a lot of times when I play my characters tend to just be shades of me and that it's like, Oh, like, and and so like a lot, like my, I'm just putting my personality into this character and that is the character I'm playing as like, what if I'm a Bard or whatnot?
00:57:07
Ryan
Mm.
00:57:07
Jamilah
e
00:57:16
Shauna (she/her)
You know, like, I'm like, no, there's a musical, but like, that's really the way, but then, you know, and I have the campaign that I'm doing with, you know, guests of the show Hector and snacks, where um my character is based off of a character I like on a TV show Legends of Tomorrow.
00:57:35
Ryan
right.
00:57:35
Shauna (she/her)
And so yeah, and so my one character is based on like, it has like the personality of the, cause there's an episode where they talk about D and&D cause I love a D and&D episode of of TV shows.
00:57:46
Ryan
Yeah.
00:57:48
Shauna (she/her)
And where, you know, they described this character, uh, McRory as a half orc rogue. And I was like, that's perfect. I want to play this like big, tough, like lady or half orc who's like, I steal things because I don't want you to make eye contact with me.
00:58:04
Shauna (she/her)
And then I grab it. Like that's my like.
00:58:06
Ryan
Yeah. Yes.
00:58:07
Shauna (she/her)
kind of like gruff in being able to kind of play a different character and to kind of play a pop culture of character I thought was a lot of fun too.
00:58:12
Jamilah
love the
00:58:12
Ryan
Yeah.
00:58:15
Ryan
Oh, great.
00:58:17
Kelli
Yeah, think I think that's what I really like about D and&D is having like getting to see people like bring out these very different characters.
00:58:17
Ryan
Kelly, where'd she?
00:58:26
Kelli
like Not just in like games that I've run, but games that I've played in. There's people always bringing crazy stuff.
00:58:34
Jamilah
I love it.
00:58:35
Kelli
And I'm always impressed by people's roleplay. and
00:58:40
Ryan
Yeah.
00:58:41
Kelli
this especially, I think someone said like, you know, when you're a DM and you just had your players just sit there and role play and I'm just like, and I'm just gonna relax. Will you guys just mingle amongst yourselves? Cool. I like that when I could do that and it's fun, you know?
00:58:56
Ryan
Yeah. i um Did you play when you were younger? Was this an adult ah endeavor?
00:59:02
Kelli
No, I actually didn't play it when I was younger. um i Well, I got into D and&D around COVID times.
00:59:12
Ryan
Sure.
00:59:13
Kelli
I had a friend who was like, I'm doing a game. I'm going to play outside. And that's kind of how I got into it. But it wasn't my, yeah, outside the time table.
00:59:20
Shauna (she/her)
Like we were all sitting around the table, like, yeah.
00:59:23
Jamilah
Oh that's cool.
00:59:24
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:26
Kelli
But it's actually weirdly, it wasn't really my first introduction to role playing games. I actually ah hated them in college.
00:59:34
Ryan
Oh.
00:59:34
Kelli
I had a friend who I think he played like World of Darkness, which is like, D and&D with vampires and werewolves and stuff. And he tried to get me to play and I sat and watched the session.
00:59:46
Kelli
I was like, well, I hate this. This is annoying. This sounds hard. I don't want to, you know, have to pretend to be someone for two hours.
00:59:55
Ryan
Right.
00:59:56
Kelli
But then I realized he was.
00:59:56
Shauna (she/her)
He had very specific rules about whether you could you couldn't break character.
00:59:58
Kelli
Oh, yeah, he had like crazy rules. Yeah, you couldn't break character the whole session. If you had to say something out of characters, like put your hand on your head and say something out of character, or else I assume your character's saying it.
01:00:07
Ryan
Oh, God. Oh, boy.
01:00:13
Kelli
And I was like, this sounds so stressful.
01:00:14
Ryan
Oh, boy.
01:00:15
Kelli
Who would ever want to do this? And then I realized he was crazy. And this is not how most people play.
01:00:19
Jamilah
you know
01:00:19
Ryan
Sure. sure yeah there is something a little bit intimidating by it but like again if you get with the right group of people it's fun it doesn't really like you know it's really not that big of a deal um but you know it's it is a commitment like you have a commitment in the sense of like you have
01:00:30
Kelli
Yeah.
01:00:41
Ryan
you have to commit to the bit, basically.
01:00:45
Kelli
Yeah.
01:00:45
Ryan
like you have You have to fucking buy in.
01:00:46
Jamilah
Yeah.
01:00:48
Ryan
Otherwise, it's weird and it's boring.
01:00:48
Jamilah
Yeah.
01:00:50
Ryan
But if you can really like you know buy in a little bit and drink the Kool-Aid and be like, I am a tiefling, what would you like to know? You know what I mean? like Then it's a ah ah different it's a different story.
01:01:02
Jamilah
Yeah, I think for for you, Ryan, I think because like I know that you you like the theater.
01:01:03
Kelli
yeah
01:01:10
Jamilah
I think of like it would just like it would speak to the like the actor like the actor inside of you.
01:01:15
Ryan
Mm hmm.
01:01:16
Jamilah
like I think that's what it like really kind of drawed out in me. like for like Because for so long, i i haven't I hadn't been acting. And I was like, I'm not really doing anything with like but like my my musical theater feelings.
01:01:24
Ryan
Yeah.
01:01:30
Ryan
Mm hmm.
01:01:30
Jamilah
so like and then i Like my friends got me into the game and at first I was just like, yeah, whatever. like we Like, I do this thing and it's like hard cause you're like learning how to do the mechanics of like, oh, I'm rolling this thing and doing all this stuff. But my first character that I played was just, I named it, and I named her Noms. Like I just don't, I like, it was just a throwaway name. I wasn't thinking anything of it. And I was just like, oh yeah, this is just,
01:02:02
Jamilah
Nam's the fighter and then the next the after we finished that we came back like it was like a sequel to our thing and we we did a whole thing and so my DM was like okay like let's figure like let's really draw it out like who who was your like what happened to your character and I was like I was like all right yeah like
01:02:17
Ryan
who Yeah.
01:02:22
Jamilah
During the whole campaign, I was like talking about how I was going to open up a a store or like open up like a like a coffee shop and all of these places and I was like my character liked gold.
01:02:36
Jamilah
and was thinking of franchising. Oh, my person's a capitalist. Like, I'm just gonna, so like, so I just made it nom.
01:02:41
Ryan
Oh, sure. Sure. Lean in.
01:02:45
Jamilah
Yeah, so it was just like, nom's the capitalist. It's not my name. She had a little top hat. She had everything.
01:02:50
Ryan
but
01:02:50
Jamilah
She had a little monocle. We ended up going down to hell in D&D.
01:02:55
Ryan
Sure.
01:02:56
Jamilah
And so my goal for the whole thing was like, I'm gonna open up a, I'm gonna open up a shop in hell. I'm gonna open up a, open up coffee. in this hell area never happened i got a son and then he died but never in like that but that was like that was my main goal and it kind of like it was like really fun and it got me back into like like kind of like writing and like doing other type of stuff even though like i don't think my dm really cares like i do a backstory for my characters i don't think my dm cares about my backstory who but
01:03:08
Ryan
Yeah.
01:03:21
Ryan
yeah
01:03:26
Ryan
Sure, sure. Yeah, that's for you. That's so you can access motivation.
01:03:32
Jamilah
No, I want everyone to know about my backstory. I need people to to read my full, yeah, I need them to know that.
01:03:34
Ryan
Oh, got it.
01:03:38
Ryan
Did you get my, ah Jamila, did you get my one and a half page document with detailed notes about how the podcast will run? Because I understand the idea of just you have to get it out.
01:03:47
Jamilah
Yes, yes, yes.
01:03:51
Jamilah
No, you, yeah, you gotta get my things.
01:03:51
Ryan
You have to write, you got to get my things.
01:03:53
Jamilah
Like I had, like I had one backstory where it was like, oh, this, my person is like from an orphanage and they had like, like people that they talked to, they didn't talk to their dad, their dad died.
01:04:05
Jamilah
It was like a whole thing. And my dad was just like, that's really nice. I don't, I don't know what I'm going to do with this, basically just.
01:04:09
Ryan
yeah anyways magic missile um That's my only, that's my Dungeons and Dragons joke. Okay, really quickly, just because you said theater um and that is, so that's how Jamilah and I met. This is like, I'm gonna tell a quick 30 second side story um because there's probably like one person that listens to this podcast ah that is of course Ryan Smith that would understand. um Obviously I have a list of um musical, like characters from musicals that I would love to play at some point in my life. Obviously those days are long gone.
01:04:44
Ryan
um One of my favorite musicals of all time is Little Shop of Horror, Little Shop of Horrors, and that is where Jamil and I met, right?
01:04:50
Jamilah
Oh, yeah.
01:04:53
Ryan
Yes. And ah she was, so the the street urchin character, the girls that do all the doo-wop singing in the background, I want to be one of them.
01:05:04
Jamilah
Oh, yeah.
01:05:04
Ryan
Like I want to be um um um Gina and Pam. I can't remember their real names right now from Martin.
01:05:10
Jamilah
oh yeah
01:05:11
Ryan
I want to beat them. I want to be singing in a stupid little satin dress and like, you know, my wig turned around. um And since I never got to do that, the closest thing I ever got to do was choreograph for them.
01:05:23
Ryan
because me and my friend Cynthia were the choreographers for Little Shop of Horrors, and I got to put choreography on Jamila for The Street Urgent. And I think about it all the fucking time! Fun backstory about musical theater nerds. Anyways. um Okay, so let's get into the movie.
01:05:46
Shauna (she/her)
Okay. All right. So now we're good. Here's the synopsis for Dungeons and Dragons. Having spent two long years in a dark and dank prison cell after a botched attempt to get his hands on a magical artifact, Luke playing bard turned thief, Edgin Darvis decides he has had enough and is the once respected former member.
01:06:04
Ryan
quick pause sorry i already put a pause i just finished this i just finished this um movie like an hour and a half ago um there is uh the eagle
01:06:15
Jamilah
who
01:06:15
Shauna (she/her)
I love that. Was that your first time watching it, or was it just a real world?
01:06:19
Ryan
Yes, a hundred percent. I'd never seen it before.
01:06:21
Shauna (she/her)
Amazing.
01:06:22
Ryan
Yes.
01:06:22
Jamilah
but
01:06:22
Shauna (she/her)
Amazing.
01:06:23
Ryan
um There is a person on the council that he goes to see that is an eagle that he's waiting for. And the eagle's name is Jarnathan.
01:06:33
Ryan
And yeah.
01:06:34
Jamilah
Oh, Jonathan is my favorite character.
01:06:34
Kelli
I need to um actually um actually he's an
01:06:37
Jamilah
Yes!
01:06:38
Ryan
Oh, thank you for the first, um actually Kelly. Crushed it. Whatever he is, his name is Jarnathan and I fucking love that. It made me laugh out loud.
01:06:51
Shauna (she/her)
And I think that is the real thing that this movie does so well is it really feels like you are watching a off the rails D and&D campaign filled with them making their ideas up on the fly, realizing it's not working quite like they hoped.
01:07:02
Kelli
yeah
01:07:07
Ryan
Yeah.
01:07:08
Shauna (she/her)
and wishing they had a little bit more skill than they ended up having and still needing to learn. And I think it just really like, like I saw someone say that they would love to see these characters or ah the actors play different characters next time.
01:07:21
Ryan
Yeah, yeah.
01:07:21
Shauna (she/her)
And I really love that idea.
01:07:22
Jamilah
Oh yeah.
01:07:23
Shauna (she/her)
Because, but, you know, I thought, you know, which is which Chris is it? Is it Pine?
01:07:28
Ryan
It's Chris Pine, yeah.
01:07:29
Kelli
For Stein, it's fine.
01:07:29
Jamilah
Yes, fine.
01:07:31
Shauna (she/her)
Yes. And, you know, he was, I think, one of my least favorite pines, but you know what? Shout out to Star-Lord for really dropping himself down.
01:07:38
Ryan
Yeah, yeah, what you said yes of the number three slot as opposed to the number four slot.
01:07:38
Shauna (she/her)
So, you know what?
01:07:39
Jamilah
what Accurate.
01:07:40
Shauna (she/her)
Chris Pine, you are the benefactor.
01:07:46
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, congratulations. Well done.
01:07:48
Ryan
Yes, the worst the worst Chris remains the one that plays Star-Lord and the one that fucked up end game and made everyone be blipped because he's a fucking toddler. um Okay, so the Harpers, is that a real thing in Dungeons and Dragons?
01:08:04
Kelli
Yes.
01:08:04
Shauna (she/her)
Yes.
01:08:04
Ryan
Okay.
01:08:05
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah. Kelly, do you want to explain somewhat like where a lot of this comes in?
01:08:05
Kelli
Yep.
01:08:07
Shauna (she/her)
Like, cause a lot of it came from DNG lore.
01:08:08
Ryan
What's a Harper?
01:08:10
Ryan
Oh, yeah.
01:08:11
Kelli
I'm doing my best because I'll throw out I haven't watched this movie in a year. So see what I remember.
01:08:15
Ryan
That's fine. I have specific parts that I noted. I was like, I wonder if this is a reference because as a nerd, I know that something like that is going to be chock full of like, if you know, you know type moments. Like it's like the comic books on steroids because there's so much source material to draw from, which I guess comics are too. But so my, so, uh, Ed Ginn, Ed, whatever, Ed, Chris Pine,
01:08:46
Ryan
Um, first and foremost, in a different timeline, that's Brendan Fraser.
01:08:46
Kelli
Crisp spot, yeah.
01:08:46
Jamilah
here my
01:08:47
Shauna (she/her)
Ed, yeah.
01:08:50
Jamilah
oh Yes.
01:08:51
Kelli
Yeah, definitely.
01:08:52
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:08:53
Ryan
Thank you.
01:08:53
Jamilah
Yes.
01:08:54
Ryan
He said, um, when they like fall out of the window or something, he says, bird, fly, bird, fly. And it literally sounds like Brendan Fraser in the mummy or something. It could have been Brendan Fraser. Um, but so Edgan is a part of like a, uh, the, like, what are the Harpers?
01:09:13
Kelli
remember correctly, I feel like we're gonna get, someone's gonna watch me be like, that's incorrect. But they're just like, a I'm gonna get them actually, because I know, some of these groups are like know of them, like I recognize that name from them being a background group that did stuff.
01:09:19
Ryan
You're gonna get un-actuated right away.
01:09:20
Jamilah
think
01:09:28
Jamilah
Mm hmm.
01:09:29
Kelli
They're, I think they're mostly like, they're kind of a lawful good group that just kind of does like, and acts like, I think they're religious too, like acts laws and like does with some like religious stuff in the background.
01:09:42
Ryan
Yeah, he like tricks.
01:09:42
Kelli
I've never actually used them, but they they do stuff.
01:09:42
Shauna (she/her)
like the knights of columbu
01:09:46
Kelli
You know, they're an organization that just exists throughout D and&D lore.
01:09:46
Ryan
Yeah, definitely not lawful good.
01:09:50
Ryan
there there's a um There's a scene when he's introducing them and he kind of shares what they do. They're like spies, but for whomever. And so they like you know they showed someone running away, stealing something, and Edgens right there and he like trips him.
01:10:08
Ryan
And it's just like, you're lawful good like chaos agents.
01:10:09
Kelli
Yeah.
01:10:14
Kelli
He said that scribes them pretty well. I mostly have ever used them as like, I am giving you a quest. Here's your quest giver. They are a harper, I guess, but that's not relevant.
01:10:22
Ryan
Mm.
01:10:24
Kelli
Ignore it.
01:10:27
Kelli
What's that? It's fine. Just, here's your quest.
01:10:29
Ryan
yeah
01:10:29
Kelli
Please take it.
01:10:31
Ryan
They're a Harper, I guess.
01:10:33
Shauna (she/her)
This is where Hector comes in and asks 50 questions.
01:10:34
Ryan
Because... Yes.
01:10:36
Kelli
yeah Yes, Hector will come in and ask me the 50 questions.
01:10:37
Shauna (she/her)
Absolutely.
01:10:37
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
01:10:38
Shauna (she/her)
like
01:10:40
Kelli
I'm just like, I don't know what happened in this organization five years ago um and why this is a what?
01:10:42
Shauna (she/her)
And ultimately decided they want to fight.
01:10:47
Ryan
Right.
01:10:49
Kelli
Why are you asking this?
01:10:49
Jamilah
Yeah.
01:10:49
Ryan
Hector says, when can I use magic missile? Because that's always my question.
01:10:54
Jamilah
No, that's the type of, that's the type of character I am where I'm like, uh, type of player I am where I, the DM will just, just, it feels like it's a throwaway where it's like, it's not really important and then I'm like,
01:11:05
Jamilah
Oh, no, I'm gonna drill down on that. Yeah, not yet. Yeah, I'm opening up.
01:11:09
Ryan
Yeah. You presented me information. That's your fault.
01:11:12
Jamilah
Oh, yeah.
01:11:13
Ryan
I'm a furious little bitch.
01:11:14
Kelli
And this is where I start making stuff up and hope that I remember next time it comes up.
01:11:16
Ryan
Yeah.
01:11:18
Kelli
I'm like, what did I, I said this.
01:11:21
Ryan
Yeah.
01:11:21
Kelli
Okay. I guess I said that. I was making it up on the fly.
01:11:23
Jamilah
but Yeah.
01:11:23
Ryan
Don't worry, Jamila wrote it down.
01:11:25
Ryan
Jamila has extensive notes on it.
01:11:27
Jamilah
No, it is it is a running joke in in my groups that I take no notes. Like it is It is such a big joke that I, one of my, one of my characters, I, I would always note, like, my character took notes.
01:11:41
Jamilah
I took no notes though. Like, I would just say that my character took notes.
01:11:43
Ryan
Yeah.
01:11:45
Ryan
Right, right. Yeah. ah You have ah the concept of a plan.
01:11:49
Jamilah
yeah
01:11:49
Ryan
You have a concept of notes.
01:11:49
Jamilah
yeah
01:11:50
Kelli
yeah
01:11:51
Jamilah
and
01:11:51
Ryan
Okay, interesting. Are you a um a gamer, like of a video gamer by chance, Jamil?
01:11:57
Jamilah
i I'm, I'm a, what is it? Like, what are they called? Like people who.
01:12:02
Ryan
Cozy games.
01:12:03
Jamilah
Yes, I'm just do like basically like Stardew, Stardew Valley has been in my top yeah like in my top three for the last however long it's been and it's gonna stay there until they pry that game out of my hands or my DS dies like I don't want like it's either one I don't know which one but I I love that I never really played games as a kid my mom would always
01:12:08
Ryan
Yeah, cozy games.
01:12:16
Ryan
Mm-hmm.
01:12:24
Ryan
Yeah.
01:12:27
Ryan
Right.
01:12:33
Jamilah
come in when i was starting like when it felt like i was just starting to get to a spot in a game and be like go outside go read a book so i never got to be like a true like gamer in the way that i want to game so i don't have the the like i guess i'll say like the uh the ability to like be like yeah like yeah like be there with it but
01:12:38
Ryan
Yeah.
01:12:40
Ryan
Right.
01:12:51
Ryan
Sure.
01:12:55
Ryan
the attachment. Yeah, it is definitely something that that we build. And I was just asking because you would totally be a loop princess in Fortnite, which is like a whole specific sub genre that we now use as a tag for our friends, because um it basically just means you're a dumb slut that like shiny stuff, which is
01:13:17
Jamilah
Oh, oh yeah, that's on that's on brand. That is on brand.
01:13:20
Ryan
Yeah. So me and Shauna will be like passengers in cars and Ryan will have to be like, get back in the car. You don't need to explore every golden chest. um Kelly can attest because Kelly knows that Shauna, Kelly he will scold Shauna in the background.
01:13:31
Kelli
Sure, I watch them play a lot.
01:13:33
Jamilah
but
01:13:36
Ryan
Like you're really far away from your team, Shauna.
01:13:39
Kelli
like
01:13:40
Shauna (she/her)
Like someone's gotta be paying attention, it's not me, so.
01:13:40
Kelli
I'm being helpful, I'm helping.
01:13:40
Ryan
so Exactly. Exactly. um Okay. So pick us back up, Shauna. Sorry.
01:13:47
Shauna (she/her)
Oh god, okay, so, and so yeah, th throws Jonathan off the window and then ends up, jonathan I'm sorry, Jonathan.
01:13:53
Ryan
Jonathan, say it right.
01:13:55
Kelli
um
01:13:57
Shauna (she/her)
I always thought it was Jonathan, and so I just have it in my head. So yeah, and so then you meet his fierce barbarian companion, Holgan Kilgore, played by, I believe, Michelle Rodriguez?
01:14:00
Ryan
Yeah.
01:14:03
Jamilah
Mm
01:14:06
Jamilah
hmm.
01:14:06
Ryan
Correct.
01:14:07
Shauna (she/her)
Yes, and ah assemble a motley crew of old and new friends, a dangerous mission to reunite with Edgens' daughter Kira, and the busy streets of the mythical Neverwinter have eyes, evil sorcerers, powerful necromancers, and legendary creatures of lore that now stand in the way.
01:14:26
Ryan
Okay, so ah a nice little a nice little overview, and I didn't even really, you know, jump in too much.
01:14:26
Shauna (she/her)
Do Edgens' despots have what it takes to complete their quest in the perilous world of Dungeons and Dragons?
01:14:37
Ryan
Okay, but my one thought, not my one thought, I have several thoughts, obviously, I have notes. um I was surprised at the script. I had some laughs. I thought it was funny. I thought it was well written.
01:14:47
Jamilah
in
01:14:48
Ryan
um I was actually really, you know, because sometimes things like that just end up being like, kind of like fluff guard, not fluff garbage, you know what I mean? Like in and Dungeons and Dragons, the least important thing is the script of what they're saying, because the best part about Dungeons and Dragons is that it's like, improved.
01:14:58
Jamilah
You got anything?
01:14:59
Shauna (she/her)
Sure. and
01:15:10
Ryan
And so, There's something about like, good luck finding that natural balance and it seemed really good.
01:15:18
Shauna (she/her)
I agree. like it was I think it was very fun and that's what a D and&D movie should be to me and it really did capture that kind of element that everyone just felt like it was silly when it needed to be but took itself just serious enough that you didn't lose sight of the fantasy of it all.
01:15:19
Kelli
Yes. yeah
01:15:23
Ryan
Yes.
01:15:24
Jamilah
yeah
01:15:35
Ryan
Yes.
01:15:35
Shauna (she/her)
And I think that is a real difficult balance to play and I thought they did a really good job of that.
01:15:36
Kelli
Yeah.
01:15:40
Ryan
So Michelle Rodriguez, um let's talk the cast for a moment.
01:15:41
Jamilah
Yeah. Yup.
01:15:46
Ryan
um Michelle and Rodriguez has said problematic things in the past.
01:15:51
Jamilah
you
01:15:51
Ryan
I don't remember what many of them are, except I'm pretty sure they were anti-black. And also she gives big closeted lesbian vibes.
01:15:57
Jamilah
Probably.
01:16:01
Ryan
She might not be closeted anymore.
01:16:04
Ryan
But
01:16:05
Shauna (she/her)
i go back shit like
01:16:06
Ryan
Right. Honestly, she might go back.
01:16:09
Jamilah
but
01:16:09
Ryan
um Because I think she said something stupid about gay people too. But anyways, she's never done it for me. I've never been like, oh my god, Michelle Rodriguez is in this. But... The bitch is a good physical actor.
01:16:22
Ryan
like She gets into those stunts, those fight scenes.
01:16:22
Shauna (she/her)
you
01:16:25
Ryan
like I don't know how many times I've seen Michelle Rodriguez like you know fucking throw someone over their shoulder, but she looks great when she does it.
01:16:32
Shauna (she/her)
Let me go back.
01:16:34
Ryan
It's believable.
01:16:34
Jamilah
She does.
01:16:35
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, she's a great barbarian.
01:16:35
Ryan
She's a great physical actor.
01:16:37
Jamilah
Oh, perfect.
01:16:37
Ryan
She's a great barbarian.
01:16:39
Jamilah
She is good.
01:16:40
Ryan
Yeah.
01:16:40
Kelli
Yeah, like I loved how she like, you know, played a barbarian.
01:16:44
Ryan
Yeah.
01:16:44
Kelli
It's just like, yep, this is every, every barbarian ever played with this right here.
01:16:48
Ryan
There was a moment when right before they find the Hithertither wand that makes the portals um where they're trying to like problem solve because Simon the hapless a sorcerer steps on the little tile that makes the whole bridge disappear because there's like oh that was definitely a moment where I was like oh this is directly from like a DM's like a book or like a Dungeons and Dragons manual.
01:17:16
Ryan
So Zank, the guy played by Ray J. Jean Pierce, I think, the friend of Bridgerton.
01:17:22
Jamilah
e This is on page.
01:17:25
Ryan
Yeah, thank you. um I'm not gonna remember his name.
01:17:28
Jamilah
It's fine.
01:17:28
Ryan
Just the but pretty light-skinned one that kind of made me mad.
01:17:29
Jamilah
It's fine. The multiple French names, yeah. Definitely like the one.
01:17:33
Ryan
Yeah, the pretty light-skinned one that kind of made me, like I was just like, shut up, Zank. Shut up, Zank. Shut up. You're so self-righteous. um But he's like explaining.
01:17:43
Kelli
It's actually for a paladin.
01:17:45
Ryan
Right. Okay. What do paladins do? I'm sorry. What's their whole gig?
01:17:50
Kelli
The whole gig are like, so they are basically holy warriors.
01:17:54
Ryan
Got it.
01:17:54
Kelli
They're so like similar to clerics. They normally pick a religion pretty early on. And I've seen some you know pretty chaotic paladins.
01:18:06
Kelli
But for the most part, they tend to be the like, they're your soldiers. They're they're obviously, they're your cops.
01:18:11
Ryan
Right. So, okay, got it, got it.
01:18:13
Kelli
Paladins are cops.
01:18:13
Jamilah
Yep.
01:18:15
Shauna (she/her)
If I said one of your friends is playing a paladin in our campaign, who do you think it is?
01:18:19
Ryan
Oh my God, I have no, is there a paladin in your campaign?
01:18:23
Shauna (she/her)
Yes.
01:18:23
Kelli
it We have a paladin?
01:18:24
Ryan
Remind me, remind me.
01:18:25
Kelli
Who's a paladin?
01:18:26
Shauna (she/her)
Wait, or no, I'm sorry, you're right. It's not a paladin, but it's very so similar. It was cleric.
01:18:31
Kelli
We have a cleric.
01:18:31
Shauna (she/her)
I always get paladin and cleric are very, so I feel like they're very similar, but paladin's a little bit more fighty and their cleric's more spell, but they're both the same kind of like.
01:18:34
Kelli
Yeah.
01:18:37
Kelli
How are you fighting?
01:18:38
Ryan
And clear it's more magic-y.
01:18:41
Kelli
Yeah.
01:18:42
Ryan
Yeah.
01:18:44
Kelli
They're the same kind of self-righteous generally.
01:18:44
Shauna (she/her)
I'm just going to follow the rules.
01:18:47
Kelli
you know Yeah.
01:18:47
Jamilah
like Like FBI versus like regular beat cop.
01:18:47
Ryan
Yeah.
01:18:51
Ryan
Sure, sure, yeah.
01:18:52
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah. Well, so it's not Hector. I'll say that much.
01:18:56
Ryan
Yeah, no, I can't imagine that. um Is it Eric?
01:19:01
Shauna (she/her)
No. Eric plays a sorcerer that is very bad at what he does.
01:19:04
Ryan
An actual troll?
01:19:06
Kelli
Yes.
01:19:07
Shauna (she/her)
Literally used all, put all of his skills in the wrong places, the wrong places.
01:19:08
Ryan
Got it.
01:19:08
Jamilah
but
01:19:12
Ryan
Uh-huh.
01:19:12
Shauna (she/her)
So that way his best skills are like dexterity, which you don't need as a wizard.
01:19:18
Ryan
Sure.
01:19:18
Shauna (she/her)
And like, because he's like purposefully like a very rich character.
01:19:22
Ryan
Sure.
01:19:23
Jamilah
Oh, love it.
01:19:23
Shauna (she/her)
That is just like, that is just like fails up.
01:19:27
Ryan
um Shauna, sorry, not Shauna. Jamil, what's your favorite class of character to play? What's your go to?
01:19:35
Jamilah
So I, because I like to, I like when I come to being a bee, I come to the space for fun. Um, I, no, I like to, uh, I try to
01:19:45
Ryan
Like Nicole Kidman in the AMC movies.
01:19:52
Jamilah
rain off. For some more reason, whenever I get, whenever i i I start playing D&D, my brain decides that like it is, it is not going to be here. It's going to be everywhere else but where I need it.
01:20:05
Jamilah
So anything that's like not just a plain, like, I'm just, I'm just a fighter. Like I'm just a regular old night person.
01:20:14
Ryan
Yeah, I'm just here to knuck.
01:20:16
Jamilah
Yeah, I and like, and then the i those are tends to be the ones that I play but then I get upset because as you're as you're just scaling up everyone else is getting like cool stuff like they're getting spells they're getting things and then it's just like you got some hp girl like yeah like that's really it but yeah well I want I want well I want to I usually I
01:20:29
Ryan
Sure.
01:20:34
Ryan
Right, you got more HP.
01:20:36
Shauna (she/her)
You still punch good.
01:20:36
Ryan
You found a shovel.
01:20:37
Kelli
Now.
01:20:38
Ryan
you Yeah. um Okay. So wait, did you add, you said just like a fighter, like what's your, what's that class?
01:20:48
Jamilah
I try Bard a lot. I do try Bard a lot. And I'm bad at it.
01:20:54
Ryan
Okay, great.
01:20:55
Jamilah
um Because I feel like Bard is a really good supporting character. Like, I think that they they they they do really well when when they are able to, like like, you're able to maximize your joint slay for all the other characters. I'm bad at that because A part of me is like, I want to i want to um want to fight, but I also just want to sing.
01:21:21
Jamilah
And also, a lot of my characters, I'm like, I don't want to opt in. like i'm I say I should be a rogue, but I don't want to because I'm an obstinate.
01:21:25
Ryan
Why don't you be a rogue? I feel like you should be a rogue.
01:21:32
Ryan
Got it. Sure.
01:21:34
Jamilah
So i fighting I'm fighting myself.
01:21:34
Ryan
Sure.
01:21:37
Jamilah
I'm fighting my DM. I'm fighting my that everyone else.
01:21:39
Ryan
Sure.
01:21:41
Jamilah
i
01:21:42
Ryan
So you're your mystique, whatever category mystique would be, she's just there for the vibes and for a complicated backstory.
01:21:46
Jamilah
yeah what is Yeah. Yeah. Who is, it's like the the carrot, if I could, if there's a, if there was oh like a role for a person who was just like, I don't want to do anything that you planned, but I want to know what you planned.
01:22:05
Jamilah
Like I don't want to do it, but I want to know what you have decided to to tell us that we think that you think that we're going to do.
01:22:07
Ryan
I just wanna know.
01:22:13
Ryan
Because I might join in a little bit later.
01:22:13
Jamilah
We're not, yeah, I'm not doing it.
01:22:15
Ryan
We might, we might maximize said joint slay at some point in this campaign, but just know I'm here.
01:22:19
Jamilah
Yeah. Yeah.
01:22:22
Ryan
I mean, that does sort of sound like what Hector does because Hector just likes to pick fights. What's your go-to class, Shauna?
01:22:30
Shauna (she/her)
My go-to is rogue. I love playing a rogue because I think it gets i think it has really fun abilities in terms of like I do what can do a lot of damage, I can stay far away and be sneaky and get to kind of do all the like the fun, like it has fun like utility stuff, but also good damage.
01:22:32
Ryan
Yeah.
01:22:49
Shauna (she/her)
because like i think i'm I love Bard, but you're right, it's so utility-based. And if you're in a campaign that's very heavy combat, I feel like sometimes I feel really underpowered.
01:22:54
Jamilah
Yes.
01:23:00
Shauna (she/her)
and wanting to be able to do more is like I guess I'll hit with my little dinky crossbow cool here's a spell it's vicious mockery take that one default damage like you sucks like yeah yeah
01:23:01
Jamilah
Yep.
01:23:14
Ryan
Um, the, um, you said something about, oh wait, no, I'm sorry. I did not mean to interrupt you. Um, was that the end of what you're saying? Okay. Um, Kelly, do DMs get classes?
01:23:30
Kelli
I mean, i can i'm I'm every class. I i do it all.
01:23:33
Ryan
Sure. Sure.
01:23:35
Kelli
so
01:23:36
Ryan
Okay, got it. I was just curious because I don't, I'm like, I do think that there's something interesting about personality types in there, um but I don't like, I guess I would usually go for like wizard or sorcerer. I have had everyone try to explain it to me every single time what the difference is, but I never remember the difference between a wizard and a sorcerer. So perhaps it will stick this time. What's the difference between a wizard and a sorcerer?
01:24:04
Kelli
I mean, it's mostly a lot of the magic one that's mostly how the difference is how you got your magic.
01:24:10
Ryan
Got it.
01:24:10
Kelli
So Wizard gets their magic from from studying. They sat down in the library and just read and learned and just they put the work in to learn other spells.
01:24:22
Ryan
Interesting.
01:24:23
Kelli
Sorcerer's were born with it. They were just born with the ability to do magic and Yeah, they they can just do it.
01:24:34
Ryan
interesting
01:24:34
Kelli
And there's overlap in some spells, but they're going to have different. it's just all It's all how they got there. you know
01:24:42
Ryan
Sure.
01:24:44
Shauna (she/her)
And then there's warlocks too, because they made a deal with a deity or of some sort or other to get their powers.
01:24:45
Ryan
Oh.
01:24:51
Kelli
Yeah.
01:24:53
Ryan
oh
01:24:53
Shauna (she/her)
And so that's how then they get theirs.
01:24:55
Ryan
Interesting. i Also kind of funny considering that we're talking about we were talking about um Wicked earlier. And in Wicked, there is obviously the wizard, but there is also sorcerers, which is what Glinda wants to be.
01:25:10
Ryan
um which I guess i I don't know in this instance what the difference, I'm sure it's in the book, but.
01:25:16
Shauna (she/her)
Okay, I think Linda's more of the wizard who wants to learn via studying and then Elphaba is the sorcerer who was born with it innately.
01:25:19
Kelli
Yeah, she was.
01:25:20
Ryan
Yeah.
01:25:24
Kelli
Yeah.
01:25:24
Ryan
Right. Right, but I mean, I feel like um she wants to learn sorcery from Madame Morrible, or maybe she just wants to study under her and she is a sorcerer, maybe.
01:25:32
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:25:38
Ryan
Anyways. um re the different types um One of the things that you said about barbarians and Michelle Rodriguez being a great barbarian, right before they find the hither-tither thing, I was i started down this path and then forgot.
01:25:55
Ryan
um They're trying to figure out how to cross the bridge, and she goes, I have a rope in my bag, and I could tie it to my axe and then throw it across the way. And first of all, the I have a rope in my bag feels like a very specific Dungeons and Dragons reference.
01:26:12
Kelli
Oh, it super is.
01:26:13
Ryan
Yeah, like, no you don't. You don't have a fucking rope in that bag. But for some reason everyone has a rope in their bag. Why does everyone have ropes in their bags?
01:26:20
Kelli
So, starting equipment-wise, rope is just starting equipment.
01:26:21
Jamilah
a
01:26:24
Ryan
Got it.
01:26:26
Kelli
And pretty much every time I've ever had someone use a rope, it's always it's always the same reaction of just like, oh, a rope.
01:26:26
Ryan
Got it.
01:26:28
Shauna (she/her)
Thank you.
01:26:35
Kelli
I have one of those.
01:26:37
Ryan
Yeah.
01:26:37
Kelli
I actually have that.
01:26:38
Ryan
I have a rope in my bag.
01:26:38
Kelli
And everyone's like, oh, I also have rope. We all have rope.
01:26:42
Ryan
let's tie them together and make a really long rope. But like mic the, it was just that moment where I was like, okay, got it. Yeah. Like that feels from the the way that all of these like archetype characters or these exemplars of characters like exist across the fantasy universes. Like, yeah, the barbarian is stupid and she thought she could throw a ah an axe at stone and it would stick and they would swing across.
01:27:10
Ryan
um I really thought that that was hysterical. That whole scene with the bridge and Zank is like saying, okay, well first you have to only use, ah you have to use the odd number tiles until we switch the halfway point and then you can only use the even number tiles, but you have to skip every other even number tile. And I was like, I'm certain that they gave some fucking DM in Adderall and they were like right the worst, like,
01:27:40
Ryan
bridge like experience that a user, a game player could ever have. And he was like, or they were like, that I got you. Here's your script.
01:27:50
Jamilah
Yeah.
01:27:50
Ryan
It's 15 pages.
01:27:52
Jamilah
That, I think, I think that kind of solidified to me that like, Zink's character was just like, the, the, the DM's inserts where it was just like, the DM is like,
01:28:03
Ryan
Sure.
01:28:05
Jamilah
you guys you guys are gonna fail you guys are gonna feel so bad like you need help yeah yeah yeah yeah because it it would the power scale level for that would just be insane like if you bring in the character that is definitely overpowered to the ending battle like you're just all
01:28:06
Ryan
Great point.
01:28:07
Kelli
Okay, you need help.
01:28:09
Ryan
Yeah.
01:28:11
Kelli
NPC come in. Please help them casually drop all the answers.
01:28:12
Ryan
Yeah.
01:28:17
Ryan
Yes. Because he doesn't go with them on the quest. That's such a also a great astute point.
01:28:20
Kelli
no
01:28:27
Ryan
Yeah.
01:28:28
Kelli
um
01:28:34
Ryan
That's what I was thinking.
01:28:35
Jamilah
yeah like
01:28:36
Ryan
I was totally thinking that during, I was like, I guess I didn't think of him as the DM, you know, like proxy or insert or whatever, but like, oh, also that's a, that's a thing in Dungeons and Dragons, right?
01:28:36
Jamilah
gu throughism
01:28:48
Ryan
Like they, you can literally drop in a random character and just be like, right.
01:28:51
Kelli
Yeah, I just have random MPC shows up.
01:28:52
Shauna (she/her)
Oh, yeah.
01:28:55
Shauna (she/her)
We've had an NBC's in our party forever that like there's romances.
01:28:58
Kelli
You guys have too many MPCs in your party. It's stressful for me to remember who all is wandering around with you.
01:29:00
Shauna (she/her)
You always say that.
01:29:04
Shauna (she/her)
We had a small busy at one point.
01:29:07
Ryan
You know what?
01:29:08
Kelli
Oh yeah, snail.
01:29:09
Shauna (she/her)
Snail.
01:29:10
Ryan
How'd it work?
01:29:13
Ryan
um I also...
01:29:14
Shauna (she/her)
The hot air balloon that is coming back, it's Kelly's favorite.
01:29:14
Kelli
I hate, no it's not.
01:29:17
Shauna (she/her)
She loves this hot air balloon.
01:29:18
Kelli
I hate that air balloon. I hate that air balloon.
01:29:22
Ryan
There was a scene when we first meet Simon, the wizard source, I don't know, whichever one he is, sorcerer.
01:29:23
Shauna (she/her)
Love this ad.
01:29:29
Kelli
Sorcerer.
01:29:31
Ryan
um He...
01:29:31
Kelli
Yeah.
01:29:33
Ryan
um It's our like our introduction to him. He's conning people, doing like simple tricks you know to make a buck or whatever. um And first of all, Justice Smith, a grade A cutie, real cutie pie. But he has gotten some pretty iconic roles already. like I don't think he's like young, but he seems fresher. He was on this like show Generation on HBO that was kind of like a different version of Euphoria.
01:30:03
Jamilah
me
01:30:03
Ryan
um But he also was in the Academy for Magical Negroes recently. He was in Detective Pikachu, which was going to be the penultimate one.
01:30:12
Kelli
What's the name, Detective Pikachu?
01:30:13
Jamilah
Yes.
01:30:17
Ryan
And then there's another one that I realized he was in because I had seen Detective Pikachu. And I was like, it feels strange as ah you know an adult person to be like, isn't that the guy from Detective Pikachu?
01:30:29
Jamilah
Lies. Lies. That is the only way I remember him.
01:30:31
Shauna (she/her)
Well you
01:30:32
Ryan
Yes.
01:30:33
Shauna (she/her)
But he's also in I Saw the TV Glow, which I still really want to see.
01:30:35
Jamilah
Oh, that new one.
01:30:36
Ryan
Oh, yes.
01:30:37
Jamilah
Yeah.
01:30:37
Shauna (she/her)
He's the main character in that.
01:30:39
Ryan
um In Generation, there's this scene that um is pretty incredible where he like jumps in a pool.
01:30:40
Shauna (she/her)
I want to see that.
01:30:46
Ryan
He's like, they're playing high schoolers. It's very a euphoria. It's very like euphoria. And I imagine they canceled it because it was on at the same time as euphoria. um But he jumps into a pool and he starts complaining and he goes, it's a party and nobody wants to party with me.
01:31:01
Ryan
And I was like, oh wow, that feels like me 15 years ago. just Why doesn't anyone want to party with me? I'm just trying to party on a Wednesday. um Oh, also, that's speaking of, I wore my number one party school.
01:31:14
Ryan
So Jamil and I both went to OU. So this is, this, yeah, this is one of, and it has a bunch of, oh, it just says Ohio University in there.
01:31:16
Jamilah
ye I was wondering what that shirt says.
01:31:17
Shauna (she/her)
Nice.
01:31:24
Ryan
It has, um this was my first, like, perhaps one of my first nerd identities. I was a fucking nerd about Ohio University. I,
01:31:34
Ryan
It's like someone learned that about me recently. Like, oh, I didn't know you went to OU. I was like, oh, that says a lot about how much I've grown because it was like 60% of my personality for the first four years after I graduated.
01:31:41
Jamilah
you
01:31:46
Ryan
No joke. Like all I had to offer the world. Something that I thought was really interesting. Oh, I was talking about Simon. Simon, he does a little spell, and he like starts to float up into the sky, which um is also one of my worst fears.
01:32:00
Ryan
He like turns off gravity or he switches gravity or something. um That's one of my worst fears, and so I didn't like seeing that.
01:32:06
Shauna (she/her)
Sorry.
01:32:08
Ryan
But I did, like from early on in the movie, start thinking about the roles thing, like the role for dexterity or whatever, and then like
01:32:15
Jamilah
Hmm. Hmm.
01:32:20
Ryan
They're doing a, um there's a scene where he's trying to do an illusion and it starts to like glitch out. It's Chris Pine going into the village and singing and his um Simon's foot gets stuck in a brick.
01:32:30
Kelli
Right. Yeah.
01:32:37
Ryan
And I'm like, oh, he would have failed us a role for sneaking. Is that what it would be? Stealth.
01:32:43
Kelli
Yeah. So it's a started fine and then got bad. I would soon probably failed sneaking and then had to roll for concentration and failed the concentration roll.
01:32:51
Ryan
Okay, got it. Dang, see, I obviously did not get that deep into it, but I was like, that is, that's also how plots are made.
01:33:02
Ryan
You could literally write a movie by like, just using a dice roll and being like, all right, well they failed dexterity, so how are they gonna fuck this one up?
01:33:08
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm.
01:33:11
Ryan
I never thought about it like that. Basic plot points. Um, The other thing that I liked seeing was like random references. um like So obviously the magic miss magic missile is featured, and as a person who played Baldur's Gate, which, okay, sorry, this is one of my huge notes. Baldur's Gate is a thing in Dungeons and Dragons.
01:33:35
Jamilah
yeah
01:33:37
Kelli
There's, uh, Baldur's Gate is a city in Dungeons and Dragons. There's, I think even I have one of the campaigns where the go to Avernus. You know, it's...
01:33:47
Ryan
news to me because there's the PlayStation well it's the online game Baldur's Gate which is essentially just Dungeons and Dragons on PlayStation and it couldn't hold my attention then either unfortunately um I just so much dialogue it was so much fucking dialogue to read it hate it wear em guns me want kill um
01:34:07
Jamilah
You said too reedy. Hated. do
01:34:16
Ryan
But the final battle between the red witch person who's like trying to do the death thing and then, you know, Simon like kicks ass and it's two hand formations.
01:34:22
Jamilah
e
01:34:31
Ryan
Oh yeah, and Kelly and I were talking about like, was it was supposed to be, what did what did you call it?
01:34:35
Kelli
I think it was the making of the hand.
01:34:37
Ryan
Mage hand?
01:34:37
Kelli
Like both having the hand and hiding each other.
01:34:37
Ryan
And they're like fighting each other.
01:34:39
Jamilah
Oh yeah.
01:34:40
Ryan
I enjoyed that. That was the end of that note.
01:34:45
Shauna (she/her)
Thank you.
01:34:45
Ryan
I enjoyed that.
01:34:48
Ryan
um Okay, ah if any thoughts of things that we didn't mention? Ree, Dungeons and Dragons. Oh, the Tiefling, played by, what's her name? Doric, Sophia Lillis. She was cute.
01:35:05
Kelli
Yeah.
01:35:05
Shauna (she/her)
Now.
01:35:06
Kelli
I know a lot of people complain that she didn't look like the, you know, stereotypical Tiefling from Dungeons and Dragons, which is a little more a little on the demony looking side, you know?
01:35:13
Ryan
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:35:17
Shauna (she/her)
Mm.
01:35:19
Kelli
And I don't know, I agree with that. I guess it could have been cool, but also she looked fine. It's it's a movie.
01:35:24
Ryan
Yeah, of course.
01:35:25
Kelli
They're going to change things. And I don't really care.
01:35:29
Ryan
um There was a mo- I thought she was really cool.
01:35:29
Kelli
I like your character.
01:35:32
Ryan
I liked the wild shaped thing.
01:35:32
Shauna (she/her)
The druid was a yeah.
01:35:35
Ryan
Yeah. um There's a moment at the end when everything is like getting all exciting and um ah like all of them are, they've completed their quests and um Simon asks Doric out on a date and her response is, yeah, calm down.
01:35:48
Jamilah
Mm hmm.
01:35:57
Ryan
um And it reminded me of specifically a funny moment in Agatha all along when um he's freaking out about Lorna Wu and Catherine on goes, take it easy.
01:36:11
Ryan
And it's just, ah it just felt like a ah moment that was for me. that if That's it.
01:36:18
Shauna (she/her)
um virtual
01:36:19
Ryan
um Anything special about this movie that like as Dungeons and Dragons nerds, you all like really appreciated?
01:36:29
Kelli
I mean, a lot of it was like, I did just generally love how it did kind of feel like a ridiculous campaign. I'm just like, just, their plan is really complicated and just somehow works, but kind of barely, but also still does.
01:36:48
Kelli
And it feels like, what are they, I think they make a joke that's like, no, no, Juan, plan C, plan C or whatever it was.
01:36:48
Ryan
Right. Plan C.
01:36:57
Kelli
I'm just like, yeah, that's, how most D and&D games go. um Just we're on plan whatever D at this point and it's kind of working and this thing's working for no reason beyond like someone rolled a really good, someone rolled well here for that to have worked.
01:37:15
Ryan
Right, right. Um, Shauna, Jamila, anything that you appreciated about the film?
01:37:22
Jamilah
i'm but i I like seeing the backstories of the characters. Like I think I just really like them that much still the drama in kind of the Michelle Rodriguez a barbarian character.
01:37:30
Shauna (she/her)
Thank you.
01:37:36
Ryan
Sure.
01:37:37
Jamilah
I loved that is like she had like this little this little boy boy, not little boy, this tidy tiny husband that was like, hey girl, I don't want to be with you anymore.
01:37:44
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah.
01:37:49
Jamilah
Like, please.
01:37:50
Ryan
Yeah, you're doing too much.
01:37:51
Jamilah
wrap it up i got a new big bitch in the back like please wrap it up wrap it up
01:37:52
Kelli
ah
01:37:54
Ryan
she
01:37:57
Ryan
That scene, first of all, the the husband, it took me like five minutes to be like, is that Bradley Cooper? It's a very small Bradley Cooper, um which is hysterical.
01:38:09
Ryan
But then the fact that he has another, um as Jamila put it, another big bitch wife, ah really took me down to, I was like, oh, this is funny.
01:38:15
Jamilah
so
01:38:18
Ryan
This is this is niche humor.
01:38:20
Shauna (she/her)
You know, it's like, it's when you're dating someone and then you break up and then you go and find that they're just, they found someone else. They're like, Oh, okay. I was a type.
01:38:27
Ryan
yeah Yeah, yes, yes, yes, absolutely.
01:38:28
Shauna (she/her)
Okay.
01:38:29
Jamilah
Mm hmm.
01:38:29
Shauna (she/her)
ah like Got it.
01:38:29
Jamilah
Yeah.
01:38:30
Shauna (she/her)
Okay.
01:38:31
Jamilah
Yeah.
01:38:33
Ryan
um Any other thoughts on it, Jamila?
01:38:34
Jamilah
but
01:38:35
Ryan
Any other big things that made you smile?
01:38:37
Jamilah
Just I think just the the movie in general, I think I went into it thinking it wasn't I was kind of like, it's not gonna be that good. Like, it's gonna be like, kind of like how lots of
01:38:50
Kelli
Thank
01:38:51
Jamilah
maybe like video game movies end up where it's just like you're just like they tried but like I don't think that they they really care about the source material in this like like Kelly has said like it's it did it really just felt like it was ah like you watching like a like a ah group of people sit down and be like
01:38:53
Ryan
Yeah.
01:38:54
Kelli
you.
01:38:59
Ryan
Sure.
01:39:11
Jamilah
we're gonna make the most chaotic thing happen and then we're gonna go front to back like this is it and it just it kind of just felt like I like it felt like some of the campaigns that like I've been in were just like nothing should have worked absolutely nothing like like one campaign I the what was it we were we were doing Strahd so Strahd is like a vi vampire uh
01:39:12
Ryan
Yes. Yes. Yeah. yeah
01:39:40
Jamilah
like campaign whereas like you get stuck in this in this like town city thing and then you have to fight as a vampire man to get out um and so in it my the characters and i we all ended up going to a city and we were uh we ended up um through like getting everyone killed and burning the city down and and we all like to be honest it wasn't all of us it was one character that ended up doing it and we all like looked at the character we're like how you just burned down the entire city you just got everyone murdered and burned down the city yeah you just burned it down and got the murder and they were like oh i my fault like it was just like and just like the entire the entire mood of the whole campaign is just dark because it's just like it's like sad and gory and like moody and it was just like
01:40:18
Kelli
it It's always just one person.
01:40:20
Ryan
Yeah, yeah.
01:40:22
Shauna (she/her)
Sure.
01:40:36
Jamilah
you're just turning to like you like, you're just like, oh, you you've killed this entire group. All these people are gone.
01:40:44
Ryan
Yeah, yeah.
01:40:44
Jamilah
And I think like something kind of like like watching that kind of chaotic thing on screen and seeing all, just seeing that like the people who wrote it and created it also, I feel like they've also had moments of that.
01:41:03
Jamilah
And i feel like I felt the love of like the of people who actually liked the thing that they were doing.
01:41:07
Ryan
Yeah.
01:41:09
Jamilah
And it was really just nice to it was nice to see.
01:41:09
Shauna (she/her)
Mm.
01:41:11
Jamilah
i i want like After I finished watching it, I was like, I hope I get 80 more of this. like i like i don't like I don't really want more Spider-Verse type stuff.
01:41:21
Ryan
Brave.
01:41:24
Jamilah
But like to be honest, i could maybe i could do I could do a couple of D and&D-Verse type stuff. like
01:41:29
Ryan
Yeah.
01:41:29
Jamilah
I could do like like eight more of these, like just put them in a bag, like that
01:41:30
Kelli
Yeah.
Representation and Diversity in Fantasy Media
01:41:33
Jamilah
would be cool.
01:41:34
Jamilah
like You get whole new like whole new characters, maybe you switch out some of them, because it's just like, some of them are gonna die, some of them are gonna be old.
01:41:40
Ryan
Didn't they do that with, didn't they do that with Jumanji where they, the it was the same four actors, but they played different avatars or something?
01:41:48
Jamilah
Yes, and i just yes i just watched I just watched those the other day. And I was like, to be honest, these aren't bad. They're not bad films.
01:41:59
Jamilah
we could we can
01:42:00
Shauna (she/her)
i like the first one of the
01:42:01
Kelli
Yeah.
01:42:02
Shauna (she/her)
new ones yeah
01:42:03
Kelli
Yeah, I never showed the second of the new ones, but I liked the first one.
01:42:03
Ryan
Yeah.
01:42:05
Shauna (she/her)
and say
01:42:07
Ryan
Uh-oh.
01:42:07
Jamilah
like We could go on about how The Rock is not that good of ah an actor, but that's a separate thing outside of itself.
01:42:13
Ryan
Yes. Yes.
01:42:15
Jamilah
So but yeah.
01:42:17
Ryan
Um, Shauna, anything in particular that made you happy as a fan?
01:42:24
Shauna (she/her)
I really liked the gelatinous cube. I thought that was a really good.
01:42:27
Ryan
Yeah, what was that?
01:42:29
Shauna (she/her)
It's a, so that is a very common D and D spell is these gelatinous cubes.
01:42:31
Ryan
Trap?
01:42:34
Shauna (she/her)
And so having, that was one of those like Easter eggs.
01:42:35
Ryan
Got it.
01:42:37
Shauna (she/her)
Like you were saying that really like, Oh, I'm glad they put that in there.
01:42:38
Kelli
Yeah.
01:42:41
Shauna (she/her)
Same with the, uh, displacer beast that's on Kelly's shirt, making an appearance as well.
01:42:44
Kelli
I'm wearing a Slice It Be shirt.
01:42:47
Ryan
Oh, that thing from the games.
01:42:47
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah.
01:42:49
Kelli
Yeah.
01:42:50
Ryan
Very cool. I mean, yeah, I gathered as I gathered all that stuff was going to be.
01:42:52
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah. Like, you know, it's a thing, but like, you know, and like little things like needing to take time to attune to the magical object is something you have to do in D and&D.
01:42:55
Ryan
Yeah.
01:43:01
Ryan
Yeah.
01:43:03
Shauna (she/her)
And there's like little kinds of like, again, that appreciation for the lore and source material that I think is so important in making nerdy things.
01:43:04
Kelli
Yeah?
01:43:13
Shauna (she/her)
Cause so often you see them being ashamed of their own property and not having that and just embracing that this is weird and loved by nerds and we are they and it's for you.
01:43:16
Ryan
Totally. like
01:43:23
Shauna (she/her)
And I think that is something, you know, and again, going back to our beginning topic of where I worry that they're not going to do that with this Captain America movie, that it is better when it's made with a love and appreciation and knowing that even if it's not for everybody, it is who I made it for.
01:43:23
Ryan
Yeah.
01:43:37
Ryan
Yes.
01:43:40
Shauna (she/her)
And that I think is something the D and&D movie gets very well and why it is such a good jumping in point for people like you who didn't really know as much, but also for people like, you know, us who have,
01:43:41
Ryan
Yes.
01:43:52
Shauna (she/her)
done it, been like got to see ourselves in it too.
01:43:55
Ryan
Totally. Yeah, I was really... um I think one thing I like about contemporary fantasy more um is that they understand that like these are the places where you can have the most sort of like atypical actors, like people that don't necessarily fit into standard Hollywood tropes and archetypes. It was a little disappointing. Like, you know, you just kind of had like ah one of the Chris's as the lead and somehow Bradley Cooper still ends up making his way in and
01:44:26
Ryan
like Justice Smith and ah Kira, the daughter, are, I think, the only two main Black characters, and they're both, like, extremely light-skinned. Like, it's not without its issues. And also, like, it is really fun to watch and be like, oh, that kind of looks like, you know, he kind of looks like me. So there is a little bit of, like, you know... um of, like, my own bias there. It'd be like, it's not that big of a deal, because I see myself But at the end of the day, like it is fantasy has a long, long way to go to continue to improve like how they represent all of the types of players in the world. Because what Shauna and I really, when we were planning these episodes, we were trying to think, like
01:45:14
Ryan
that is, you know, in the nerd genres, in the nerd sub-genres, like the fantasy realm is still so overwhelmingly owned by like, you know, white dudes in basements. And that's not the people that participate in those worlds or consume that media. And so, you know, hopefully I don't have that great of ah an interest. We will not be talking about Game of Thrones because I Refuse to watch it because too many people said I should watch it and I'm obstinate like Jamila but in a different way um But yeah, so the one question that we always ask at the end of our podcast Who is the hottest character in Dungeons and Dragons? Because you all are super nerds I so i will say that that can extend to the larger D and&D cinematic universe even if they weren't portrayed on screen but I
01:46:12
Ryan
I only have who was on screen to draw from.
01:46:21
Kelli
just So I was trying to think of this when when you sent the like script and stuff. like think It's hard to think of who's the hottest just in all of D and&D character because for the most part, like i get I do a lot of pre-made adventures because it's easy and sometimes I'm lazy.
01:46:31
Ryan
Yeah.
01:46:39
Ryan
yeah
01:46:39
Kelli
It's mostly all descriptions and I thought it's going to be hard. like How am I reading the description? How hot is this description of a person?
01:46:44
Ryan
Yeah.
01:46:49
Kelli
difficult
01:46:49
Ryan
But hey, we all know what good fanfic reads like.
01:46:52
Ryan
let's not Let's not pretend that this group of people doesn't know that you can absolutely into a description of a character.
01:46:52
Jamilah
Oh, that's true.
01:46:53
Kelli
This is true.
01:46:56
Jamilah
me
01:47:02
Ryan
We all know that part's true.
01:47:03
Kelli
True.
01:47:03
Jamilah
That's true.
01:47:05
Ryan
All right, that's fine. You don't have a you don't have to have a hottest.
01:47:07
Kelli
I mean, well, if I had to pick something, like in all of D&D lore, I'd actually probably just end up falling into Baldur's Gate. And to me, the answer then is Karloch, because she's the hottest to me.
01:47:15
Ryan
Sure.
01:47:18
Ryan
Okay, got it.
01:47:18
Jamilah
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01:47:21
Ryan
Got it. Okay, cool. I wish I knew who that was. yeah
01:47:25
Jamilah
You got to, you got to play.
01:47:26
Shauna (she/her)
I like that you didn't even get into Baldur's Gate 3 enough to know, like, do you know, do you know, though I believe you did actually.
01:47:31
Kelli
it Didn't even get to Karla. That's okay.
01:47:33
Ryan
I mean, I might have. Shauna, you played it. Did I get to Carlok?
01:47:36
Kelli
I don't- You guys played- I don't know.
01:47:38
Ryan
Okay, probably. That was a while ago.
01:47:40
Kelli
She's the- she's the Tiefling who's basically on fire.
01:47:43
Ryan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's got a big old tail.
01:47:46
Jamilah
you
01:47:47
Kelli
yeah
01:47:48
Ryan
Yeah, I definitely know who that is because I think my character was also a tiefling in that, so cool. Sounds right. Jamila, do you have one? Do you have one?
01:47:59
Jamilah
Okay, I think um so before the campaign before this last campaign that we were doing um oh maybe I can do okay so um in the in the not Harry Potter Harry Potter campaign that we did uh because D&D came out with like uh its own like magic university um
01:48:21
Ryan
Okay, got it. Magic school? Sure, yeah.
01:48:28
Jamilah
there was a big um sort of a like a Minotaur guy that was kind of hot. He had glasses, he was like really cute.
01:48:39
Ryan
Yeah, yeah.
01:48:40
Jamilah
ah as you it's i i just I want the people who who watch in or listen to this to know that like I guess I in my in my reading do love monsters.
01:48:54
Jamilah
I'm not like a ah big monstery weirdo.
01:48:56
Ryan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're not a monster fucker.
01:48:58
Jamilah
no that's true no i am but i don't i don't want people to think that like i'm a horrible person that yeah no i would i just like in a normal way i just
01:49:00
Ryan
Oh, okay, work.
01:49:07
Shauna (she/her)
No, don't get me wrong. Like, no, do not misunderstand.
01:49:09
Ryan
I fuck monsters.
01:49:10
Shauna (she/her)
I am. Damn, I'm good.
01:49:16
Shauna (she/her)
But in a normal way.
01:49:18
Ryan
yeah Yeah, as long as the the human half is on bottom.
01:49:25
Jamilah
Hey, who am I to judge?
01:49:25
Ryan
Nope. Jamila said actually.
01:49:26
Jamilah
Who am I to judge? Listen, I'm not judging no one.
01:49:28
Ryan
Yeah.
01:49:29
Jamilah
um And then, ah been and then in the um in this last campaign we were doing ah where, crap it was the one where there's like dinosaurs and stuff, um there are men, they're snake men.
01:49:30
Ryan
Yeah.
01:49:30
Shauna (she/her)
Well, that's our show for now.
01:49:33
Ryan
No redemption for Jamila. You fuck horses. Okay, got it.
01:49:52
Jamilah
They're sexy snake men.
01:49:54
Shauna (she/her)
It's people.
01:49:55
Ryan
They're sexy snake men!
01:49:55
Shauna (she/her)
yeah
01:49:58
Kelli
Juan T.
01:49:58
Jamilah
this place yeah there are sexy snake people and you know i
01:50:05
Jamilah
ah yeah I'm not really giving myself a good case that I'm not.
01:50:08
Ryan
You're fine. You don't have to explain shit.
01:50:11
Jamilah
and
01:50:11
Ryan
it's you First of all, you establish yourself as a monster fucker, and we think that's really important.
01:50:17
Jamilah
Listen, I just need everyone to know, just everyone to know me.
01:50:17
Ryan
um Yeah.
01:50:20
Jamilah
I need to um bear my soul open, yes.
01:50:21
Ryan
Yeah.
01:50:24
Ryan
Maybe we'll get some cute pictures of what these characters look like and we'll like so put them on the screen when we're talking about them.
01:50:28
Jamilah
but a No, because now you're going to see his thing. You're going to post them and people are going to be like.
01:50:33
Ryan
yeah
01:50:36
Ryan
Bad take, bad take.
01:50:37
Jamilah
Yeah.
01:50:38
Ryan
You already said you want to do a hear me out cake for... ah Oh, right.
01:50:41
Jamilah
Oh, but because the talking, the talking animals and wicked are hot. and No, that's hot.
01:50:45
Jamilah
They're hot. I'm sorry.
01:50:45
Ryan
Yeah.
01:50:46
Ryan
Yeah. yeah
01:50:47
Jamilah
My apologies.
01:50:47
Ryan
Okay, we're not going back down the, which is Dr.
01:50:49
Jamilah
Sorry. My apologies.
01:50:51
Ryan
Dillman fuckable.
01:50:52
Jamilah
Yes.
01:50:53
Ryan
Shawna, who's the hottest character in the D and&D world?
01:51:01
Shauna (she/her)
Hmm, so I think in the movie I do love a like a Likeable fuck up rascal like Chris Pine's character like at the end of the day That is an archive that I do find attractive and I'm like, okay The charismatic asshole will always have a soft spot in my heart.
01:51:11
Ryan
Sure. Mm-hmm.
01:51:18
Ryan
Right.
01:51:19
Shauna (she/her)
It is what it is I think I'm gonna go with that for the movie and then like general kind of D and&D realm I think like it's hard to argue with car lock cuz like I
01:51:29
Ryan
Yeah.
01:51:30
Shauna (she/her)
She's pretty wonderful.
01:51:30
Jamilah
you know
01:51:32
Shauna (she/her)
Yeah, so I think that those are my two answers.
01:51:32
Ryan
Yeah.
01:51:34
Shauna (she/her)
I think but I'm gonna follow Kelly's lead there.
01:51:38
Ryan
Okay. I think in the D and&D movie, I mean, honestly, I don't really recall anyone being Jarnathan.
01:51:48
Ryan
I'm going with Jarnathan is respect for Jarnathan.
01:51:49
Jamilah
Yes! And that's a good answer! That's a good answer!
01:51:49
Shauna (she/her)
kind The wings of an angel.
01:51:52
Ryan
You know, respect for Jarnathan. Yeah, I literally started down the path and I was like, nope, nevermind, abandon it, it's Jarnathan. And then I think in the, I will say, you know, it really stuck out to me, Shauna's naked character in Baldur's Gate when we would go to camp,
01:52:12
Ryan
I, every single time I would remark and be like, wow, Shawna's character, you know, boy, do I have a girl for you.
01:52:21
Shauna (she/her)
i mean
01:52:25
Ryan
Okay, ah so yeah, it was, um that's that's our show on Dungeons and Dragons. um Thank you to both Jamila and Kelly for joining us.
01:52:38
Ryan
Jamila, it was great to giggle with you.
01:52:40
Jamilah
Thank you guys! I'm so sorry.
01:52:42
Ryan
yeah Can't wait to find another opportunity for you to bring out your um animals.
01:52:53
Ryan
um Yeah, it was great to chat with you both.
01:52:56
Shauna (she/her)
Something bad dragon is happening in Oz.
01:52:59
Ryan
Yeah. Oh my God. Yes. Can't wait to see can't wait to see what um what animals we get in part two.
01:53:02
Shauna (she/her)
That's, fun yeah.
01:53:05
Jamilah
but
01:53:05
Ryan
um Check us out on Instagram at realhotnerdpod and on YouTube.
01:53:12
Jamilah
Thank you.
01:53:12
Ryan
um And that's it. Thanks for listening. See you all next time.