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Episode 9: Witch Bitches - Agatha All Along (Eps 6 & 7) with Hector
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Spoilers throughout - but the real discussion starts about 40:00!
Jump right in with another recap and review of Agatha All Along, episodes 6 & 7 with our special guest host Hector! We're rounding the final bend of the Witches Road, so check out some of our theories and interpretations.
Opinions shared by the hosts and/or guests of Real Hot Nerd Shit are their own and do not represent any workplace or organization that they may or may not be affiliated with.
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What happens to a toad struck by lightning?
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Do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning?
Reclaiming relics of iniquity
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And to reclaim these relics of iniquity.
Introducing 'Real Hot Nerd Shit' podcast
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The same thing happens to Welcome to Real Hot Nerd Shit, a pop culture podcast where real hot nerds talk about real nerd shit. I'm your host, Ryan. And I'm your co-host, Shana.
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And on this episode of Real Hot Nerd Shit, we'll be talking about Agatha All Along, episodes six and seven, right? Six and seven um in the theme of ah witchcraft, witch bitch, our coven, et cetera, which is how we got our our guest for today. um To do that, we have our our guest hot nerd, Hector Bonjour.
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Hola, como estas? Oh, please don't make me try to speak Spanish on a podcast. I don't want to get cancelled. I don't want to get cancelled. I don't want to poorly speak Spanish into a recording.
Language, identity, and cultural learning
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I took Latin, so I'm just going to translate. It's a chance like I got that, like, but yeah.
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That's a great question. You're a useful. Shani, Shani. Shani's remedial Latin has come in handy quite a bit. Is it fair to say it's remedial? I can't imagine it still. Absolutely. No, no, it is. I was going to say I was like, great use. Yes. 100%. Yeah. I love calling bitches remedial. Father Vincent did his best. however Okay. Got it. Oh, was that your, did, did you have to have a Latin name?
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No, no, no. He just happened to have, that was the priest's name. Oh, that was not the priest's name, got it. Yeah, he was my sophomore land teacher. Did, did you have to have a different name in, like, so we had to have like a French name or a Spanish name. You don't have to share yours, but... No, I don't think they did, actually. Yeah, we did. They did in French. What was your French name? God, I don't even remember. It was not something like Francois. I don't remember what it was.
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my freshman year it was Pedro um and then my sophomore junior senior year um it was Javier specifically obviously because it's like the Spanish version of x Xavier ah and ah it like became part of my identity like for a good chunk of my ah like high school and honestly into college. I had Estabi Javi as my email ah because my Spanish teacher would like say that casually to me if I would like mess up. I wanted to be a Spanish teacher. I wanted to be Mr. Shoe from Glee. Before he was Glee, I wanted to teach high school Spanish and I wanted to direct high school theater, um but that's a whole other episode.
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for a whole other thing. But um but shout out to the Nosables. Shout out to the Nosables who are still learning the language. um I really, really love. ah i still I'm so glad that I i know the
Benefits of language immersion
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language. like I get embarrassed by trying to speak it because I don't speak it often enough that it sounds very much so like an American speaking Spanish. But like when I was in Puerto Rico earlier this year, it took, like it took a couple days of me like intentionally trying to speak Spanish when I could before I was like, oh, okay, I still have no idea what most people are saying, but at least I know how to ask like survival question survival and conversational questions that will tell someone, you know, this person is not a native speaker.
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Yeah, yeah. Immersion has been the best way. I mean, when going to going to Guatemala, Guatemala, that was absolutely something that I encountered of my comfort level growing the longer we were there and then really being proud of helping some like German tourists at one point. So we were both communicating. We were all communicating in Spanish and it was just like I was able to help them. So that was, that was big. Love that.
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Now Shona, do you have any experiences where um speaking Latin to another Latin speaker has helped? Latin is a dead language. I know, it's a joke bitch. It was like yeah very useful in terms of speaking. Look, i at least I do love getting giving the etymology of the word ambidextrous. That's one of my favorite. because it means Do you care to share with class? I would love to. So the Latin word for right is dextre, where you get words like dexterity. And the Latin word for left is sinister. a du Of course, the the right lab. Yeah. and so then
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ala that echa yeah you fact and so So ambidextrous, am is the Latin word for to use by, of course, meaning to.
Obsession with D&D and board games
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And so dextrous means to be able to use both your hands as if they're your right hand. So to have two right hand. How are you to default to the right hand, though? Absolutely. let's just be somewhere You know, there was a different time. It was the 90s. They didn't think the same way.
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but to to But the Latin root and and being able to really construct from the love languages and then being able to then translate spellwork. Sure. but very helpful like And also, ki let cognates rule. When I can read stuff in other languages because it looks like Spanish or like it looks enough. it's Shout out to cognates. Not the false cognates though. Those are like the things I remember from wanting to be a Spanish teacher. I've been confused before reading Italian thinking I was reading Spanish because Oh, for sure. Wait, does it oh, wait, no, that's what else? Oh, same thing. When I ah dated an Arab man, um and I tried to start learning Arabic, and it which dialect though, aren't there? I don't know. Whatever. I'm not I think there are a lot of them. This was farcey. Is that? Yeah. one of the arabog ones yeahp um It was on
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I don't even think it's like unduly. Uh, maybe it was unduly. No, I don't remember. our see I did not. I did not see it. I believe Iran. Oh, okay. Yeah. And yeah glimpse this person's Palestinian.
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Um, anyways, obviously we're nerds for language, but Hector, you're here, um, as a member of my coven, but also just cause you are a generally nerdy person. So aside from like, you know, bruhaa and like, uh, other things, if a nerd is someone who is like weirdly knowledgeable and passionate about something, and sometimes people might think that thing is uncool. What are you a nerd about? So.
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Shauna will relate to me in this that D and&D has absolutely been over the past like couple years at this point, couple of years we've been playing. One of those things that it's like before there is the before time. And then there is the after time. Totally. Where I find myself wanting to bring up D and&D in general conversation with someone who is just trying to make an order out of Wendy's. right
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But it really, it it put into perspective that like can concept of of how people would look at somebody who was a D and&D nerd, you know, in high school or grades or whenever, you know, thinking about being young and a D and&D player, there's that like, oh, you're, you know, a loser, you're a nerd, you know, whatever it is.
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And meanwhile, as an adult coming into this game and realizing the way that game structure and character development really ties in at so many levels. There are so many times now where I'll be watching a show specifically, and I will be like, oh, that's the bard. That's the paladin. Yeah, the archetypes. Like they are the archetypes, exactly. Yeah, totally.
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D and&D has absolutely been something that I've immersed myself in. It it was absolutely it it was a hyper-fixation for a while. sure um I was building a lot of characters. I was buying a lot of like supplemental materials, custom character sheets, designing different minis.
Social dynamics in D&D and RPGs
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This is what I'm saying, like as it's a ah a whole world of photo options.
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you know design your hair to participate in with so much so much and then that's not even getting into like mechanics of actually playing the game sure so that's that's absolutely one of those games where it's like everything it's like ninety percent all the other stuff ten percent actually playing the game right sure yeah because playing the game like you know, is, uh, more of just like hanging out. And it's like, i did it's like it's fun prompts. It's literally just prompts for conversation with your fucking friends. It is a story that you tell together. Yeah. Is my best explanation. Are you, Shawn is obviously a D and D or you're, we played, it we play in the same, we play together. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Uh, who's your DM? Is it Kelly? Kelly. Yeah. Um, so the,
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Are you a general board game nerd or just D and&D? Me, I... a Not so much sit down board game stuff. like i i like I think what it is about D and&D is that there's opportunity to be creative without any limitation. Sure. like there there are some i mean I guess you could look at them as limitations based on on game mechanics.
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but I mean, how you tell a story is how you tell a story. So so I have really opened the door to playing other tabletop role playing games, TTRPGs. And actually was just playing with Kelly and a group of friends on like Friday, we play our Friday, Wednesday, played Monster of the Week. And that was yeah, so it's it's it's like DMD is one path.
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down like a myriad of different types of games that are mostly for creatives, I look at it. sure that you know That tabletop role playing is just an avenue to itself. I don't look at it as like a monopoly sure know or ah or a- Very that, very that. you know It's a very different thing. Totally different worlds, yeah. Shaun, you're a board gamer. That's true. I mean, I feel like what are,
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you know, what's your experience with board games? Do you want to don't do brain dump how much you love them? for ah You had this like smirk on your face while Hector was talking like while hector was talking and I was like, she's got something cooking and i need to I need to like, you know, open the oven and check. ah Sorry if I pre-need as the gamers say. How are your buns doing? My buns are great, thank you. So we hear.
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Yeah. So no, I love board games though. And I love like the indie and like those, like you were saying, the creative aspects, the, there's no wrong way to approach a problem. And like, let me tell you this one, Hector's a bit of a chaos goblin. Yeah. Like I know it was only a surprise and I literally started the the the game with kelly and on wednesday i literally started by saying i'm here to fuck shit up like that i'm here to be a problem i am the problem
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Well, and you know, and like so, you know, my girlfriend's the GM. So like she writes all of like the stories and just we always she expects like, oh, they're not going to get from point A to point G. It's going to make this long, convoluted backwards for it. And we'll get there eventually, maybe, but you have to plan for the route. Right. And you can't. And it's often to the consternation of our other friend, Ryan Stan, who is Arguably the most, like, rigid. Rule lawyer! Yeah, yeah. yes And that's where I appreciate having someone else who's as much, if not more, of a rules lawyer than I am because oh that tends to be what I do in board games is I'm the one who's like, okay, someone needs to read the rules. I'm going to read it.
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But he wants to, in a way. And he's going to be like, oh, well, actually, you can do x, y. Like, it's fascinating playing multiplayer games with him for that reason, because, oh my god, aware of all of those idiosyncrasies, which I, for love and appreciate, because my brain also works that way. So it's something, it's actually one of my favorite things about him, is that he is so in that way. And so it really, like, it's always a great challenge to like step up like my like board gaming skills when I'm like playing at a table with him.
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Yeah, i not the go I love it at the same time. o There are times where ah where he will start. down some levels but i welcome i I have absolutely told him, shut the fuck up. Let Kelly tell me I can't do this without you telling her I can't do this. Yes. Well, in in my daughter's defense, ah each and every one of us needs to be told to shut the fuck up. Absolutely. like I was just thinking about in X-Men 97 when Charles is pontificating and Magneto says, Charles,
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I'm gonna say something to you that I've wanted to say for a long time. Shut up. The way that that hurt my feelings, because I'm little, people want me to shut the fuck up. charles's hole opened up so wide at that moment. Oh, yeah. the Oh, yeah. Natural poppers, baby. Natural poppers. Shut up.
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One of the reasons that I like doing that stuff with Ryan is because I feel like I naturally am put in the position to facilitate like that's just The Libra moon of me. It's you know, it's all of my personality in terms of like how I move in relationships Especially with more than one person um But anyways, it's nice because Ryan like leans into the other side. So like, I literally, add like, we're what are we doing, boss? When we play Fortnite, I just follow him. Like, I'm not, I don't, cool. You make the decisions. You tell me where we're going. So that is so interesting because we were playing Baldur's Gate. Oh yeah, no, Baldur's Gate's not for me. Well, I loved it.
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the game obsession. It's because the parallel to D and&D is immediate. And but playing with Shauna and snacks, Ryan's um I had to learn that I'm just going to follow him. Sure. Because it's the best way to it's the best way like just be along for the ride. now He's having a great time. It is a great way to play. Yeah, i I am just very chaotic with a game like that. And I had started my own game prior to to the game collectively. And in my individual run,
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I was doing stages and explaining to Ryan how I was somewhere. And he's like, how did you even get there yet when you haven't done this other thing? oh i'm like I'm like, bitch, there's no map. I mean, there is, but there's no like point, go here, go there. I was just roaming around and that's where I landed. And I'm, no one's going to tell me where to go. You know, like,
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Shauna is very much so a um rules lawyer for board games, but then when it comes to um video games, again, Fortnite's gonna wane soon. ah this This battle pass is ending soon, so stay tuned for if we make it into the next one.
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um but I can't that's too fucking like like of a whimsical sissy bottom loop princess like that will that will take out your whole team it like on her gravestone no joke she'll she'll take out your whole team, but it's because she had to because she got distracted and went to the other side of the area that we're in. And so we're not even going to make it to her in time, but she does kill them all by herself because she had no choice. She got it done.
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she got it done like i I'll be off making herbal preparations over in the corner and then all of a sudden it's like oh no oh you dropped a minute ago no no it's fine I'm coming it's okay if I'm like sailing across the map very slowly because I need to get sliding only sliding.
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Look, you get used to it. Sliding? Oh, true,
Representation in media and film
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true, true. No, it is a great thought because there was a moment in this past week's Agatha where I was like, oh, this is relatable. This is how I play Fortnite, where all of a sudden I'm there when you don't expect me to. But it's very clutch and handy. yeah And so just throwing that out there as a pre-enter. Yes. Yeah. Before we jump into the episode, um the our little general banter portion, um Shauna has terrible news to deliver about quality programming that ah we are losing. Yeah. If you haven't had the chance to check out the show Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, it's on Disney Plus. And it's so good. So good. And it's also canceled. Because why wouldn't a show about a smart intelligence, science,
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family, like black woman girl, like this family of like amazing, like there's so much representation. It's very trans inclusive as a show. It's like like India Moors, a voice actor in it, which I love. Dynamic scientific just application. Like the way that her yeah her grandmother's relationship works is so amazing. And the music fucking rocks. Like it's so good so good good. I was so upset when Shauna said that it was canceled because then I just started singing the theme song and it's been stuck in my head for fucking a whole week. Like moon girl magic. Like what about? What about? What a waste. What a fucking waste.
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Tony Stark's ego can't handle it because technically she's the smartest person in the Marvel universe. Fact. That's a bad bitch right there. And she has a big red dinosaur. She sure does. and It's such a good show. It's such a good show. And so good so the fact that that show and Blade also got indefinitely delayed, which is essentially canceled, you know, I will like say each other. yeah I'm not so mad about that.
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i have fine have your I love I love Blade. I just, I don't know how they would redo it. That's all. well Because isn't Mahershala Ali, wasn't he cast as Blade if I'm not mistaken? Yeah. I think that's a really... That was the per... For me, there um my excitement for it was that Mahershala Ali is a perfect Blade.
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In my opinion good is a villain in yes age and i i was really looking forward to his return to the marvel universe in this big and i'm sorry. Yeah and he's got the longevity he's like the perfect age where of course because he's black and has great skin he will he literally is a vampire he'll look like this for the next fifty years.
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So we were talking about our virtually as Blade and how Wesley Snipes coming back for Deadpool and Wolverine. like I mean, he obviously looks older, but like he still has it. Just like Jennifer Garner still very much so has it. Absolutely. Very much get it. In that first Blade movie, like yes on it really helped get Marvel and like be like, oh, these movies can be still comic book big action feeling, but still not be ridiculous, like that and spawn at the same level. Oh, I still never finished spawn because it terrified me when I saw it at the drive-in theater when I was a kid. Oh, the so good. The clown. The clown is a violator, scary spot. John Leguizamo, I believe, played it. But John Leguizamo as that fucking clown. First of all, John Leguizamo, T. Right. Down.
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Anyways, we had to leave. it was It was a drive-in theater, so it was like... I was like, I can't watch this, I'm too scared. I was like six, seven. Because it was terrifying. Yeah. But I was frightened by Jurassic Park. I still think back to seeing that in theater far too young and getting absolutely frightened when the Dilophosaurus did the frill out. It scared me. It scared me. Yeah. That definitely scared me. That and the full T-Rex blaring. Yeah. That roar. Just like. No.
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So the thing that i always I think is very interesting about that is in Deadpool and Wolverine, Wesley Snipes looks dead to camera and says, there's only been one blade and there'll only ever be one blade. Like I know I fucked up the lines, but I remember like tapping one of the like someone that I was with, I was like 100% that's him telling us that Blade's not happening. ah right like I knew this was coming. i Shutting it down. like I don't know why they, ah again, it's definitely not coincidental, but like I don't know why they would do it like that, why they would include it in the movie unless it serves some purpose, um you know unless they're gonna recast him as Blade again.
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Yeah, which they got it. At the end of the day, I think kind of circling back, I really want to focus on it's just another instance of these big companies canceling, you know, black ran black starring queer ran queer starring women ran women starring properties, giving them just enough of an opportunity to not actually have a real opportunity so they can cancel it and be like, we tried.
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but Yeah, it did exactly that to say we did it and say yeah, look we have all this representation in these canceled shows Mm-hmm. Absolutely. And so then they turn through they keep them in developmental hell and It's so frustrating seeing these shows get canceled when there's no reason moon girl and devil dinosaur shouldn't have five seasons and just be something that You know, like my kid can look back and be like, oh, I can watch this for, you know, like those shows just don't exist anymore. Be it for how many Spider-Man and friends, yeah how many versions are there of Spider-Man and friends? Like Lego. Imagine if you got, you know, the same development of Lunella. Like it's, what it I think part of it is also that, um,
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the push around like inclusivity and um the, ah you know, how I feel like they, but like ballooned for a second with like focusing on recruiting and hiring, you know, diverse staff or whatever. And then those people are always the first to go, which means they no longer have those show runners, those, ah you know, um ah writers, directors, those voices. And then on top of it, something that is super real is that some leadership spaces are just not, you can say you want black people, but then you're not prepared to have black people in the room.
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Your actions don't reflect your words. Correct. like it's It's really wild that these things ultimately have nothing to do with the quality of the content, the um desire for the content, the audience of the content. It is all about who holds the pen to fucking tell the story. But to harp on Moon Girl? Yeah. I just love her technical brain. Watching her invent and think through the process of creating an interdimensional portal out of things, pieces, parts in her house.
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you know like la Not for nothing. Also, the fact that she has a ah Latina best friend who's also super smart and was, what's her name again? I think it's Lucita. Okay. um When, you know, she was mean to her at first, if I remember correctly, and I just What that's one of those tropes that I will just always like is like the popular girl is friends with the loser girl and Actually loves being friends with the person that's not cool. It's like there's no need for any messy stupid. Nope. They're just friends now Casey's her name and yes, okay and speaking of like a social media influencer gets oh I'm
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Ryan recently started Owl House. I did. I'm very excited. It's so good. Speaking in a very, you know, the relationship that Luz and Amity have. Yeah. And like seeing that. Very much so. So sheres Amida, also in Moon Girl and Devil
Witchcraft and cultural connections
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Dinosaur. Does she voice the mom? Adria, Adria? I think so. um Well, and also funny enough. Yeah. um Hector mentioned all the different versions of Spider-Man.
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And apparently, ah fucking ah Nicholas Cage is starring in a Spider-Man noir. Like what? I just saw something on like, oh what's it called? um Threads. And it was like him fully in the Spider-Man noir outfit on top of like a cab. And it's like, oh, first looks at Nicholas Cage as Spider-Man noir. And I said to Shauna, and she just said, the what? Like who green lit this? Nicholas Cage though.
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Yeah, honestly, he's the voice of noir in the Into the Spider-Verse. Oh, work. OK. I'm not done there that man. Yeah. Yeah. That's why he's playing him is because of that movie. I'm just like, I guess Nick Cage kind of has gone the way of Tom Hanks for me. You know, like. Sunset, the old white man. Oh, I don't know. I used to hate Nicholas. So weird. Now I kind of fuck with him in a weird way.
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Anyways, none of that stuff really matters. um Let's get into the reason for the season, ah Agatha All Along and Witchcraft. So i ah Sean and I asked Hector to join us today, largely because Hector is one of the members of my coven as well. um Their face is literally on my altar, a picture of me, Hector and Utsmaal, where one time we were at an event together eating eating the girls up. We looked incredible.
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um Another mutual friend of ours, Tommy, stopped and he said, ooh, look at all this bruheria. And I literally stopped in my track and I was like, you better fucking believe it. You you better recognize that. So ah Hector, what's your relationship to the metaphysical, to magic, to the craft? How long do we have? double but Keep it showing succinct, but okay i know you're a good storyteller.
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So I come from Catholic school, like all my life, Shawna and I- And then you saw the craft and then blah, blah, blah, that's the- It was over, curious, yes. Famously, Shawna and I attended the same school. And, but from, I mean, honestly, from early on, like fifth grade or so, my mother at one point bought me a tarot deck from Spencer's that I still have,
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Oh, yeah. And that was like the start of something that was like, OK, I'm going to study up on this and then I'm going to get this book and I'm going to look at that book. But i there was a good story. At one point I was reading ah the witch's Bible in choir rehearsal. Oh, no. In the church. In church. It did not go over well. I, however,
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ah through through like hesitating telling my mother and after, ah because of course, I got in trouble for it being at a Catholic school. And afterwards, her reaction to it was something that still sticks with me because she just kind of laughed about it. And she was like, really? like That's not even a thing that's important. yeah So from there, honestly, it was a lot of looking for I think a way to... I just really put together the fact that you were reading The Witches Bible in a Catholic school. That is correct. Sorry, it took me a second to really, like, understand the enormity of that. Right, like right. It was during quiet practice, but still. So my relation to witchcraft was really about trying to find a way to control a lot of uncontrollable aspects of my life.
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uh, growing up in a very hectic household and being a queer, closeted, um, chubby kid, you you know, there wasn't a lot of freedom there and working through therapy, the, um, the need to stay quiet. So wish the thought in what world did this bitch start quiet?
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Well, you've know you all have received- That's what I'm saying. see and It's just so wild. And you all get the Hector that is in the direction that I want to be in. Healing. You get the healing Hector, exactly. Mm-hmm. Whereas Nicole came over for Thanksgiving a couple years ago and turn to at one point she's like, your family has no idea who you are.
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And I was like, yeah, no, no, they don't. ah so So, like, not to get too deep, but like, that know is very much the the aspect of of Bruhindiya, which is honestly a more recent embracing of my own cultural heritage and incorporating that into what was really a Western view of the craft and esoteric religions and and how that was constructed based off of you know the European origins versus growing into a more culturally diverse and really reconnecting back to my own people. So it's really making like this huge circle in my life
00:32:19
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to to be able to connect in a way that is both spiritual and rooted in my people. Totally. I very much so, i you know the relationship between the African Diaspora and like the Puerto Rican Diaspora is basically a circle. like the Very. very like I'm sure that historians could describe it better than that. But, you know, the fact completes my entire life. ah Also, four days ago, someone asked me if I was Puerto Rican and I went to Puerto Rico and literally was like, oh, yeah, yeah, but I got it. um And also, like, thanks. Like, what a great, honestly, huge compliment. I love being black. I love my black features. And then I see a Puerto Rican man. I'm like, oh,
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I love yours too. Who may also be black? Correct, exactly. um But I feel like a big part of our ancestral magic was they found ways, at least within the African diaspora, I don't know so much, I like as much, they found ways to like adhere to the dominant culture, like Catholicism, but they just baked their you know traditional practices and religion into like you know safer, um ah westernized,
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um like American quote practice. And that specifically is what makes Santeria and Brujeria so much more accessible and very much was stuff that I was into and and around growing up. You know, there's things like Sana, Sana, Colita, Delana,
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ah the the healing spell, you know, no abuelita would ever call it a spell. Right. but But meanwhile, they're getting an egg from the refrigerator and rubbing it all over your body to absorb the marito. But the egg is just baby Christ? No.
00:34:29
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No, yeah isn't that what they isn't? I feel like like it's to represent the the the newness of Christ or something. I don't know. I could be totally right. I wouldn't be surprised, but right he so like, and I mean, the innocent sacrifice, like an innocent this arab speaking on your and I can see that as a very work. OK, so that yeah that makes sense. We could be wrong. People that we could be wrong know this shit. Feel free to correct us. But, you know, that sounds smart. That sounds right. But like I think that Well, that's why I loved why in college I was a religious studies major is because I loved seeing all of the different ways of which there's so much similarity and so much difference and all of that kind of historical aspect. But yeah, sorry. Yeah. And I think. Please go ahead. The overlay specifically that you mentioned about how.
00:35:25
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Especially in in a time where Slavery was more than what it is currently because it's not fully gone but in a time where there was so much oppression and so much specifically from the Catholic Church in getting or in the name of Prostylatizing and in trying to really whitewash an entire continent depending pick a continent and and and again, like present. Right. and And the way that they made they being the practitioners, the practitioners made it accessible was exactly that was assigning a saint, a specific orisha, or, ah you know, just like being able to pray to St. Jude, but really, you're praying to this other deity, you know, or it was a way to craft
00:36:24
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even the prayer books, the craft prayer books are very common and still sold and I have quite a few and they're really good that are prayers but the way that they're written and the way that they're constructed in such that they are petitioning a particular saint or a particular angel even is very much a result of that overlay of deities where you know you're you're praying to Mary but really you're praying to Yamaja and it is you know rooted in that African culture the Yoruba culture and it's
00:37:07
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difficult even to understand where the distinction is and I find myself having difficulty because I on that commissary i associate myself with you know brehiia and san and and that knowledge and wanting to seek that knowledge and and understand at the same time The line is so blurred between the Yoruba people, between the African diaspora, between that segment and what they're doing and how they are practicing in Cuba, in Puerto Rico. And and it's it's all connected, but at the same time, you don't really want to step on anything. I don't want to you know i assert myself in a place.
00:37:50
Speaker
Totally totally. And I think I think we're both speaking like from a relatively elementary level. Like I'm not I'm not friends who are like, it yeah, I have friends who are, you know, um you know, deeply invested in the spiritual. Yeah, exactly. All of it. And I don't want to disrespect it. So, you know, again, if we're wrong, like we're happy to be wrong and to, you know, admit that I don't know these things as well as possible. But like for me,
00:38:18
Speaker
a lot of my magic that I access is through my ancestors and like if there's one thing our ancestors are all doing like the the planes might be different but they're we're all like um rooting for you words yeah Literally. I've never really talked about like my like divorce story, but you know part of what moved me forward in the process was I had this moment um after I asked for separation, and I was in the bathtub ah where I find most of my ah most meditative moments.
00:39:01
Speaker
and i I was terrified. I was like, I can't do this. I'm yeah like, I can't, I can't do this. Like I was questioning. I, ah you know, I was.
00:39:13
Speaker
fully spiraling. And I just heard this voice like, just trust yourself. And it was wild because I had, you know, realized how many times I had had these conversations in my head and how many times I had talked myself out of something and just be like, you're not trusting yourself. Like your, your instinct or your gut is, is telling you something. It's your intuition.
00:39:39
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your It's your intuition. And when I made that change and when I made that choice, the first time I moved into my apartment and was just my space, the most unreal things happened. Like when I fully started to step into actually practicing and like acknowledging this connection that I have to the divine,
00:40:06
Speaker
like, it just felt like I described it as feeling like I got my powers. Like, Abre Camino. Sure, the door open, bitch. Exactly. Exactly. Abre Palco, open the way. Open the way. Oopsies favorite spell from Charm. Exactly. um Which is funny. And I think perhaps one of the last things before we jump into the show um is that we fully used our witchcraft to get our friend out of a terrible relationship. That's all we're going to say. That's all we're going to say. It's their business. Immediate results, though. We're too powerful. Too powerful. The coven is really powerful when Miuksi and Hector set our mind to something. When we are all aligned, get out the way, bitch. Yeah, it's nice. And she did. It's great. But the thing that I was going to...
00:40:53
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connect into Agatha All Along was this connection between like the craft being a witch and magic, which are like three separate things. And one of the things that I have loved about um Agatha All Along is that they have begun to show you the differences in those things. So like you have witches as people and when in one of the early episodes, you know, ah Agatha says, wherever there's witchy enough people, right? So like, you have to like, yes, we understand that witchiness is an aesthetic, but it is also about being a woo woo bitch. If you're a woo woo bitch, you're a witch. Like, I don't know what else to tell you. That's like, that is like, ah that is a place to start from, like the craft, the practice of
00:41:47
Speaker
ah learning about your connection to the metaphysical and like understanding your answer. That is practicing. That is like the spell work you do. And then like magic is the shit that happens, the shit that's in the air, the shit that we can control and harness the in in the instances of supernatural shows. like When they have powers, like that is magic.
00:42:13
Speaker
that is controlled magic. And ah I have really fucking loved how they've played with that in so many different ways. So like the brooms, like that's witchcraft. That's in hex. I was like, what are you talking about? That's in hex. And then I saw and I was like, oh, that is so cool.
00:42:35
Speaker
So jumping right into, yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Jumping right in, because I have comments already, on the one, talking about the proximity of, of which is you know, woo woo girls, yeah the sentiment that Agatha makes about how the collection of people amplifies the power. totally and that is so much It's sisterhood but it is such a thing that is
00:43:07
Speaker
recognized in so many different cultures, when you have a collective number of people aimed at the same goal, and it may be um just intention, going to church. you know like That is an example of a collection of people singing, singing, singing, singing, by the way, being praying twice, sure love. ah the the Just touching on all of that. The the music in this is so intrinsically magical that it is just locked in. Bitch, have you walked around outside in this gorgeous, autumnal-ass atmosphere listening to Down the Witch's Road? It's yeah incredible. It's like the only thing I walk my dog to. like I'm sure that my neighbors are tired of hearing me full-throated sing. And thank goodness the leaves have finally started changing, as they normally do in late October.
00:44:07
Speaker
Yeah, notoriously. Right. 80 degree day. So Shauna, um was there something else you were going to say or are we going to jump in? Oh, I wanted to just say like thinking about in terms of like those like alternative theories in the way that I've always been a very like, ah I've been I've like, argued with people on like, Facebook about like, how I believe in the validity of things like acupuncture. And, you know, and I feel like that's something that we do not have a scientific explanation, but seems to work. And I feel like that kind of Connection to the body that just because we don't understand something in one way doesn't mean that it doesn't work But I I always think acupuncture cupping. Um What's the laying on a break? Thank you yeah energy movement Like I yeah, and I've absolutely had success with Reiki and enjoy like when you know, shout out to my co-worker Mercedes who was like so many times was like I'm Right is ah oh the But yeah but
00:45:06
Speaker
I worked with a Reiki practitioner and um like i i Mercedes was always connected to the center when I worked there, yeah but like she explicitly did Reiki for me one time. But a former coworker of my gen, she was a Reiki practitioner and sometimes she would just come up behind me and put her hands on my shoulders. And I would just like be working and like you know not realize that like my shoulders are dropping. And then I realized she's touching and I'm like, what are you doing?
00:45:34
Speaker
And she's like, oh, just a little Reiki, you're fine. And I was like, oh my god, just adjusting your chakras, bitch. Right. that Right. And that but that alternate way of knowing thyself and the world around you and thinking of like, yeah having like a big believer in the inner connectivity of like, there's an energy there and that going but again, that spirit that collective energy, I feel like there is something to that. And I just want to kind of add that in a way that like, I feel I wouldn't have thought myself like,
00:46:01
Speaker
is it it is it spiritual but it because it is there is an absolute spiritual aspect to it that I don't necessarily attribute like but is still something that's been and that I found to actually be very true and important in my life. But as a as a rational person, and as a a someone who really needs things to make sense to them, before I can ascribe before I can can can be like, yes, that makes sense. And I'll do that. Even with what, you know, the current, what we're talking about right now and the energy work. Like I look at that even from a scientific lens of nothing is neither created or destroyed. Energy is never gone. You know, like, so like directing that energy in a scientific, my scientific brain tells me, yeah, that is feasible. Like that is something that you should be able to do. And we can, we can direct energy light, you know, however, but
00:47:01
Speaker
It then ties to a an energy that, like Shauna is saying, we may not fully understand, but we know that, you know, that, that Reiki helped relax shoulders or, you know, whatever it did for you.
Agatha All Along' episode analysis
00:47:16
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laugh think i think Because you know, it's not real. Those people on TikTok that do telekinesis with them. Please tell me you all have seen that. You're not. Oh my God. Okay. There.
00:47:29
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is this like couple, I think, where um they they do telekinesis. They're literally just moving things with gusts of air. with their They're literally doing like the prue hand movement. um my god like it's It just moves, and it's like foil. So it's like, bitch, of course it's gonna move. That's air and foil. like thats how like That's air. That's not, okay, whatever.
00:47:56
Speaker
Maybe like i the gag of us being like, it's all fucking cool, man. And then being like, you know, it's not real. look now fuck Yeah. Yeah. You're a fucking weirdo telekinesis. But there was a thing that we used to do in middle school. I think it was your, your cheeks or something. They touch up either side of your face and then like use your hand to move something. It was the same exact thing. oh God, I do remember that yeah bio electricity. Like it wasn't even Santa Claus. It was like, I think it was your cheeks or like your I don't know. I don't remember. Anyway, Shawna, bring us into episode six. We got to stop talking. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Absolutely. Agatha all along. The reason why we're here. The reason why we're here is to bullshit with each other and you know, at the end of the day, by way of Agatha.
00:48:38
Speaker
So now episode six, so we we're a immediately brought if you recall in episode five where we find out that the teen is actually no mere teen. He's the son of the Scarlet Witch as the crown forms on his forehead and Billie Eilish plays in the background and we're left with a whole lot of questions which are thankfully answered mostly in this episode.
00:48:59
Speaker
So we're now in a flashback and we get to see young William Kaplan, a teenager from ECU celebrating his bar mitzvah, where he encounters a poem reader, Lilia, who is using her abilities to then deduce and seize, oh shit, something's going to happen with this kid. And I was shocked to find out that she was the one who actually created the sigil. That was such a fucking good twist. I agree. I wasn't surprised.
00:49:27
Speaker
Really? why Yeah, I just kind of suspected because she that foresight that she has really lended itself to someone wanting to protect him. So like with her, it played out in in a way I was like, Oh, this makes sense. Are you reading that? Are you reading that from the perspective of someone who's now seen a whole episode dedicated to her? Or were you genuinely not surprised when you saw it?
00:49:52
Speaker
No, I was genuinely not surprised. I was happy. I was like, oh wow, that's so cool. But it wasn't like a shocking revelation for me. And it's so pleasing to her forgetfulness too. She's such an inherently forgotful character. The fact that she forgot the second she dropped that sigil into his pocket was incredible. Like like ah it witchcraft. It was witchcraft, but it's almost like she was not only protecting him, but also protecting herself.
00:50:22
Speaker
because I think it was too much for her to know. So theyre one of the theories that I have heard is that um what she saw, like an an alternate future or something, if she had, okay, so that sigil was put on as the hex was falling. like So that in that same night, she puts the sigil on him and the hex falls. Actually, it's almost like like they exit the tent and then like eventually his dad go says that something's happening with the anomaly in Westview.
00:50:55
Speaker
right um like The theory was something along the lines of she saw that if she didn't put the sigil on him, Wanda, after the events of WandaVision,
00:51:11
Speaker
Wanda would have been able to find him using the Darkhold, which meant that she would have found her son and already been corrupted by the Darkhold and then eventually passed that on to Wickham. I don't know if that's based in anything, but I thought that, like, there's i mean there's so many reasons that they can, like, that sigil changed a lot in the multiverse right now. So I'm that was it was a great great fucking plot device. Interesting though how how we can being protected in that way. Where's our whole claim? Well, well, we'll get into that. Yeah.
00:51:55
Speaker
What had happened was they're then on their way home because, you know, all of a sudden stupid powered assholes are having a dome created and they're like, shit, something's happening. I guess my bar mitzvah has gotten ruined. Right. Like so they're on their way. Yeah, really and truly. And there's a crash and this this young William Kaplan hits his head on the window splat. Not looking great.
00:52:22
Speaker
However, at that very moment, the soul, essence, mind, whatever of Billy Maximoff enters into this newly open body and instead of finding its way into whatever ether is now in this teenager and doesn't remember his past and is now very curious to have him. Well, he wakes up and he must go to his tummy and then like That's the heartbeats. The heartbeats really sell a lot there, you know, yeah oh my god the fading heartbeat of William yeah and then the immediate rush from Billy. And so there's like some morality, questionable morals here. You know, like, did he push William out?
00:53:04
Speaker
as, um, as is discussed later, like yeah you don't, don't feel bad for that. You can't think about that shit for too long. You were surviving. is There's nothing you can do. yeah You didn't, you were surviving. It wasn't a just thought. It was, it wasn't no, no. And so now he has this mind running ability that he's kind of learning causes a lot of problems and he's not,
00:53:29
Speaker
use And, you know, three years later, he meets his boyfriend Eddie, which leads the question. Which one of them is or was gay? Is it William that was gay? Is it Billy that was gay? If one of them was straight and one of them was gay, does that lead to a bisexual, post-Soul merging person? I have questions. Do the Souls merge? Will the Souls merge? once Was William Kaplan gay and so was Billy Maximoff? yeah Or was William Kaplan gay and Billy Maximoff was straight but he entered into William Kaplan
00:54:02
Speaker
Who knows? Like a Mary Jane Watson situation with Zendaya, where it's like, oh, actually, my full name's Theodore, but I just went by Eddie for some silly reason. Totally. Like it's just going to be like something like that. like Like his, you know, his sibling couldn't say Teddy. And so they just called him Eddie. Yeah. um I'm Thad.
00:54:24
Speaker
the ah I have a friend whose name is Edmund, but he goes by Ned. And he explicitly says, and Ned, not Ed. He's a brown person. And we are renowned, us brown people, for being named. Whole new name. Things that are not our names. so And um our our ah you know other hot nerd, Uxmal, pointed out that we see that he has a double earring. Like he wears ah two earrings in the same low, which is a specific ah style choice of Teddy in the comics. And also in a scene later on, um Eddie takes his jacket off and he's wearing a sleeveless shirt and he's got great arms. And his um and Billy says, like, you know, like put those arms away. ah Yeah, like your arms are going to distract me. Love Teddy slash hulkling exclusively wears cut off your sleeveless shirts like his his outfit is sleeveless. It's very true. It would be it's definitely a
00:55:39
Speaker
big swing like in terms of theories, but I don't think it's far off. no it's do i mean he also I feel like he handled the news of, oh, by the way, I'm not this person you think I am. I actually might be the son of the Scarlet Witch incarnated into this Jewish boy's body.
00:55:56
Speaker
and like really though factually but really though he's a jewish man he had his bar mitzvah that's some respect on that my mistake well i mean yeah that's right my mistake this is jewish man's body excuse me this jewish man's body um handle it so so well though like having the only question oh sorry but having the only question be well then who are you then you know like i'm still here for you but who are you Yeah, I really like that one for someone who maybe is also superpowered themselves. Like it's all I don't know if it was that exact moment, um but I also thought that that was like um I read that scene as like these are.
00:56:43
Speaker
13, 16 year old queer kids, like the assumption is you're about to come out to me as trans, not tell me that you are the reincarnated son of the Scarlet Witch. You know what I mean? Like, so I think that's one take on it. The other take is something that you pointed out, Sean, Hulkling, the hero name for um Teddy,
00:57:09
Speaker
He's called Hulkling because he's part Skrull, part Kree, and he's green and can shapeshift. And I think his original shapeshifted form, he just turns bigger and like greener. I think he's not green like when we meet him as Teddy. um but So like he goes by this this name Hulkling, um but then he starts to like be able to really seek and shapeshift and stuff. And he's a shapeshifter, not Hulk, but he keeps the name.
00:57:39
Speaker
And I don't remember why I started down that path. Oh, because, um, Shawna saying, Shawna said, pointed out like, um, yeah, of course, like he was testing the waters with one of his responses to see how Billy would respond. Like, Oh, Oh, it was about aliens, something about aliens. And he's like testing the water to be like, how do you feel about aliens? Because when did we do that? I didn't, I missed that. I don't remember. It was the scene where they're in.
00:58:09
Speaker
in the car. but Like in the like, yeah, it was wonderful. It was Yeah, it was a scene where Orville Peck was playing, I think. Yeah. And then okay, that's in the car. Also, I love the Orville Peck. I am mean, honestly that guitar strum. I was like, that's Orville Peck. I love this inspired choice. yeah Saw him perform his band over the summer. In my like, I had my gay back to back concerts where I saw chapel known and then Orville Peck and it was incredible. Fascinating last Wow. It was such it was the the distinction between the two, but also it was just such a great queer like summer for concerts. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So um we meet Teddy and then from that car conversation, they go to the garage and then what? It's bone. And that is better. Ralph Boner makes an appearance and you know, not quicks over himself. Yeah.
00:59:06
Speaker
Fiatro, if we remember correctly. Fiatro, yes. When. um Which I'm curious if he still has his powers. Well, he's not. He's not. Quicksilver in this. He's just Ralph Boner. Like he's just a regular dude. Did he not have powers in the. No, no, he's just that he might as well just be his other role as the chaser from Pose. Like that's pretty much like. Right. Yeah, because he's got. Creeper chaser. Got it.
00:59:33
Speaker
Yeah. um I thought when he was like slinking around in the coat and stuff, I thought it was going to be Agnes. like I thought that was going to be the the first time that Agnes and Billy interact with each other. I was a little bummed by that. I was like, oh, that's fucking Agnes. That's totally Agnes. It's exciting that it was boner time, but like what is it?
00:59:54
Speaker
All right. So then now he's jamming out to Lorna Wu, listening to The Witches Road and gets inspired and is like, this is clearly the answer. She uses down Agatha and you get to see some of the flashbacks where she's wearing the Boner family camping picnic, you know, let's pitch a tent, which is such a dumb, great like pond that they included in the show. It's fantastic.
01:00:22
Speaker
And then you figure out that because Billy can't control his powers. So now they need to go on the witch's road and help each other. And so they proceed forward and you are now kind of caught up as the viewer into what has actually been going on as you realize he tries to talk and say his name and like realizes, like doesn't realize that he's not being heard and that Agatha did actually have like an idea that this might be the case. Right. Catches up with the show.
01:00:49
Speaker
the The thing that didn't get mentioned that led to him sort of doing that starting to do the Witches Road inquiry was um he learned about Agatha Harkness from Ralph Boner, and then he learned that Wanda had two sons that were twins, and then ah he learned, because Ralph Boner calls them the speedster and the mind reader, his mind reading brother. And so that's when he learns about Tommy, and ah we... are out Yes, but i you know, we don't he that's him waking up. So like,
01:01:33
Speaker
I think maybe. Yeah, I'm curious if like he woke up knowing Tommy because what he says is like he explains to Agatha later um that he can sense him, but he can't find him. And so I imagine he knew the name Tommy and that Tommy had some type of relationship to him, but not that he was his brother and not that it was, you know, they were the anomalies from the Scarlet Witch.
01:02:04
Speaker
something And then on top of it, go ahead, please. Well, something I found so incredible from that episode as well was the fact that the entire coven had interacted with William yeah prior to Billy. So it's almost like that destiny and had some type of effect there of them having all been a part of each other's lives beforehand.
01:02:32
Speaker
And none of them remembering it because of the sigil. Boom. And thinking he actually then did meet all of the members of the Coven because, you know, the head hitting the window, he met death. Oh, oh stop. Holy shit. i You're not wrong, but you're not wrong. Correct. William Kaplan did probably I mean, William Kaplan probably she probably shepherded William Kaplan to the afterlife.
01:03:02
Speaker
William at death. Wow. One of the things that, uh, he's also like, so when there was a a lot of really good, um, like symbolism and references, um, you know, so there's been a lot of the Wizard of Oz references throughout the show. Um, Billy has, William ah has a ton of them in his room. Um, and the, um, uh, Crap.
01:03:33
Speaker
ah wiard ro Oh, so there was a bunch of pop culture references, specifically the Wizard of Oz, um which I also recognized that at the beginning of the episode when William at his magic theme Bar Mitzvah goes to see the fortune teller, it's very much so the same sort of setup as ah Dorothy going to see the fortune teller before the tornado comes in the Wizard of Oz. Oh my gosh.
01:04:02
Speaker
because it all and then it also like comes all back around. I dropped that in the ScreenCrush Discord and one of that the hosts of one of the ScreenCrush YouTube videos said, um oh my God, I totally missed that. um I'll shout you out in the next video. What if this is my start of internet celebrity? You're already hot. You're already a nerd now. Yeah, totally.
01:04:27
Speaker
like here's hoping god I'm tired of working this shit is bullshit um but some of the pop culture shit uh included um Agatha potentially being Jolene uh from Dolly Parton's song being the other woman and stop that was in the image search that was in the image search when he also I wish reverse image search worked that well it does oh it doesn't work man That well like to be able to pick up the pictures of Agatha across like all those various Exactly like that was pretty cool. Like I wish that were real that also manage Something that someone pointed out like oh, why was Agatha all at all those major tragedies because she was at um the Titanic sinking she was at some other major loss of life event and
01:05:19
Speaker
the, again, the theory is like, if your girlfriend's death, who we do learn officially in the coming episode, um, that, uh, Rio of it all is death, um, that, you know, what better place to make sure that you don't have to deal with killing people than to just take a bunch of souls at once, meet your quota and, you know,
01:05:44
Speaker
like fucking go bonkers and then fuck each other's brains out? Because clearly they fucked a lot. They fucked a lot. They fucked a lot. Like paint peeling off the walls. I know. Like a terrible episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer from season four. Oh, God. That's what I'm talking about. Where the wild things are, yeah. Yeah. But the yearning in Agatha for Rio, like when they were riding the brooms, there was that moment where One, they immediately did the witch role with each other. Correct. So gay. Yeah, obviously we're going to gift each other brooms. In a very gay way. yeah yeah Literally, they scissor. it start like It's basically just scissoring. Broom scissoring. They broom scissored. That's what Hex and Besson actually loosely translates to. Broom scissor. Broom scissors. Right, Seanan? Yeah, broom scissoring.
01:06:41
Speaker
But the also the gift giving as a magical component, very, very strong to be given a gift and that be the magical component. So the fact that they had to gift it to each other, I thought was really, really cool. by Some of my most favorite magical items are gifted to me. But the the the acting is so good in Just the smallest lip movements, the glances, I've rewatched all of these episodes at minimum twice, most of them three times. But specifically the moment in the episode prior where Agatha ah absorbed our poor Alice's power, I wanted to know definitively
01:07:37
Speaker
Did she do it on purpose? Right. Was it intentional? And she plays a great, incredible, liar, incredible liar. But I think part of it is because there's truth in it. Right. And there is the moment when Alice is is is is targeting Agatha and and pushing her power into her to push Agatha's mother out where yeah Agatha has the realization yeah that's what she's doing of the power. Like she she feels it and it feels so familiar and so good and she wants it and she I think her instincts took over and she really did just, yeah, give it to me. And then by the time it was all said and done, it was too late.
01:08:29
Speaker
So I think that in in that moment and the the a moment immediately following where you you know she's having those conversations with teen and there's remorse. you know She's remorseful and also very misunderstood, I feel like. I think she's she's cast as the role of villain and so she will play the role of villain.
01:08:57
Speaker
I feel like that is very much how she has inherited this this this infamy is is the the the way that she's been painted.
01:09:09
Speaker
Well, I think there's something so queer to that too. like being like If you're going to paint us as the bad guy, then we will embrace that. If we are just this numbest image. I'll show you a sexual deviant. Right. Right. Now, exactly though, there's something but about them taking ownership away from and then being at some aspersion cast upon us and then having to be like, well, you can't hurt me with this if it's something that I claim for myself.
Character development in Episode 7
01:09:37
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It is absolutely the...
01:09:39
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It's absolutely that, well, you're going to call me that anyway, so. So. If a witch is a bad thing, then I will be a witch. Yeah. Right. When the that that acting like the the quality of acting of Catherine Hahn, like and relating that to sort of the big queer allegory of it all and how, you know, she has now picked up this gay child.
01:10:04
Speaker
And there's, um you know, when she's talking to him, you can read every line, you know, as symbolism, like, don't you dare feel shameful of your gift, of your talent. Like, she didn't say I didn't mean to. She said I couldn't control it. Like, there's a difference between those things. And like, her telling him, like, yeah, you might not have meant to do it,
01:10:29
Speaker
But you did. So like you're going to need to learn how to control that shit. And because people get hurt. And so obviously she's also like ex ex she's like giving herself some grace in how she's saying that she's saying what she wishes her mother would have said to her. um But talk about it.
01:10:47
Speaker
the like the whole allegory of like look don't fucking believe them when they tell you it's bad being queer is a fucking gift it is a it's a fucking talent to be able to stay alive and do this shit it's a fucking talent don't ever feel bad for doing whatever it takes to survive because witches have all you did what every witch has ever done you survived when your mother wants you dead Hello. Okay. Okay. When your own mother wants you dead, who do you become? So speaking of gay mothers, let's go to episode seven. ah Let's talk about it. Which graciously we were given an entire episode to Patti Holmes, Lilia Calderoo. But can we at first just talk about the high notes?
01:11:44
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and which is um when she's doing the desk camp in wit's row
01:11:50
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Cuts through everything and to say, perfectly incredible, incredible, distinct voice. I mean, Patti LuPone is Patti LuPone. There's no, there is a no, bene patone and and to touch on some more nerd shit, her as Yellow Diamond in Steven Universe. um like I get that this bitch will take a check, but I also love that she's like not, I'll catch it.
01:12:18
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like right the check cashes it was no um there there was no artist i'm sure artistically it had to check a lot of boxes for her let's be honest sure this episode is incredible it is beautiful television if that was put in front of me i would sign on too especially if you're fucking patty lapone But I love that there is stigma around being in Marvel shit and like self-respecting act, well, quote unquote, like serious actors or whatever. Like, you know, it's there's so much hate towards the Marvel Cinematic Universe and what it has done to movies and and film that there's a lot of um
01:13:03
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a negative energy towards the Marvel Universe. And so for her to still do that and not be like, I'm a literal like Tony winning Broadway star, like. Multi.
01:13:17
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just for her to still participate in it. One, speaks to how much money they have. Two, speaks to how good the source material is. But three, also, like she's not, she doesn't take it that fucking serious. like She played a cartoon alien that was comprised of yellow diamonds. No, she's- Light energy.
01:13:38
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She's white diamond. Yellow diamond. No, she's yellow diamonds. Oh, she's yellow diamond. Yeah, because and has a great musical number in it. Incredible music. Steven universe. Shout out. Oh, we have a whole other episode about that. Don't you fret? Yeah. Shout out to Rebecca Sugar.
01:13:56
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Shout out. She's also imposed, by the way, as speaking another yeah post fallback, because she's like, she's the evil landlord lady who is MJ Rodriguez. Damn, I forgot about that. howanging in ah par Great choices. and ah She will do one thing, and that is uplift the queer community. okay she knows what She will also do another thing, and it's to have a song. I believe that there are actors and actresses that have writers. I'm certain that this is not absolutely ah you know groundbreaking or anything. but
01:14:33
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Patti LuPone, Bette Midler, I'm certain that Bette Midler demands to have a song in a movie if it's appropriate. Why would she not? Like Cameron Diaz, do you ever notice that Cameron Diaz has a dance number in like every movie she's in? But why?
01:14:50
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I mean, probably not every movie. I never saw the, like, what's it called movie. I don't know. I'm fine. She's a fucking fun. Okay. We got a great movie anyway, appsize you no manying angel respect yeah hector episode seven.
01:15:07
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So episode seven, incredible. We we get to see Agatha and Billy continue on the road before coming across a castle and upon entering transformed. This is incredible. Into the Wicked Witch and Maleficent, which Joe Locke, I mean, what's not wrong about the cheekbones? Yeah. Served cheekbones so well, like just in feeling her oats just in it.
01:15:37
Speaker
Evil Queen realness. Also, Evil Queen, um we get a another we get two confirmations of just how gay Agatha Harkness is. The first of which being when Billy asks her, is Scarlet Witch alive? She says no. Yes. Is there a body? And then she says maybe. And then bill Joe Locke says,
01:16:04
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um Did you see a body? And she said, yes, because Agnes did. And she remembers that Agnes saw a body. And then he's shes she said something like, and then the next question was like, it's, you know, it's it's complicated because like, did anyone else see the bodies? Like, did anyone, where did that scene come from? um But ultimately, she the line she says is, if you wanted a straight answer, ask a straight lady.
01:16:33
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You want a straight answer? Ask a straight lady bitch on my grave. So good. And like again, that there's something of that is how queer people talk to each other. Like, no, I mean, I would probably say that to a straight person, but like, don't get me wrong. Like, I love the I love this now. You're gay. I'm gay. Everybody's gay. Dynamic. It's beautiful. Sorry. but it's It's very much um and not to upset the those people, but it's very much a normalization of we're people being people who are also gay and having a conversation. And where we now we are gay right and if you want a straight answer, ask a straight lady. Ask a straight lady. But I feel like there's going to be a queer Bechtel test where it's like two queer people talking about someone who's not a who is not a straight person.
01:17:31
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like Great, yes. I try to limit my my time spent on um that community. Well, yeah, except for when you're stuck in a monolith. Hey, straight-ish.
01:17:48
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So, back to episode seven. So they they're walking into this castle, and then they're presented with the next challenge, which it has to do with tarot cards, and obviously they need the Leia, and the Leia is not there, because she's been sucked into the mud with our our friend Sashir's the maida, Jennifer Kale. Jennifer Kale, what ah what a like white woman named that. Crunchy, crunchy, whoa. No, that's a woo woo bitch ass name. It is a woo woo bitch ass name. Kale, come on.
01:18:18
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So if they don't place the proper cards in the correct sequence, swords will literally fall from the ceiling, which is so tarot-like. And I think at the top, at the top of this episode, I did mention that was my four way into, drew yeah yeah, into the craft was tarot. So this episode really gave me a lot in terms of symbolism, specifically,
01:18:45
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And Lilea had been doing this throughout the series, calling out the car. Lilea's name, right. Lilea, wait, what is it? Lilea? Lilea. I thought Lilea was the person who reads the car, and it was just a term I didn't know. Right. No. Lilea. So when they said it the first time, I was like, Lilea? Like, the lake? The spread? Like, what? Lilea. Lilea. Lilea. Lilea. Lilea. Lilea. Lilea.
01:19:14
Speaker
Stop trying to make it Puerto Rican. I'm trying. I'm adding spice. I want to add some sazon to her name, okay? Right, right. There's no emphasis. Okay, continue, sorry. When Lilia. Lilia. Lilia. Lilia. Lilia. Patti LuPone. Just call her fucking Patti LuPone. When Patti. Patti LuPone. Throughout the series. No, same full name. Patti LuPone. When Miss Patti LuPone. When Tony winning Patti LuPone.
01:19:44
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No, no. But throughout the entire series, she's been calling out these cards. And it and there was some speculation about how these moments that she was having, these stricken moments of witchcraft as Agatha recognized in the initial scene with Patti LuPone, that witchcraft was happening was really to do with some memory lapses and some flashbacks that Lilia was experiencing.
01:20:16
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Patti LuPone. Patti LuPone. And so that was incredible because immediately then we get into the flashbacks from Malaya's childhood in revealing her practice with divination magic and experiencing her life literally out of order, which, what movie is that? There's another, there is a movie like that where, what is it? mementso Memento. Okay.
01:20:42
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i guess I've seen that. Ellie loves a good out of order memory. It's cool. so It's a great plot device. I want to pause there. Yeah. like So the the connecting pieces. The fitting puzzle.
01:21:01
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Billy and Agatha are trying to read for each other and they can't do it because neither of them know Tarot for shit. And Agatha is just fucking it up. Like she's just like, put the cards down. like she not She doesn't believe it. She thinks it's subjective and it is you know subjective. but well So here's the thing about Tarot specifically. It's a tool.
01:21:23
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it is sure it is communication tool It is a communication tool that is specifically for the person learning to do the reading. They are interpreting symbolism and that is why you have so many different types of decks and and different designs. and and i mean Rider-Waite is just one deck design.
01:21:47
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And so anyone who is reading that card is going to read it in their way. So Agatha's not wrong. It is subjective, but the interpretation, the connection in there and into the individual's intuition is what we're really looking for. And Lele has that Lea. God damn it. Now I'm going to be so... sorry how do you lapo Um, so, you know, they're fucking it up and that's when they realized like, you know, I wish Lilia was here and we have been getting, um, they've been cutting back and forth between, um, Lilia and, uh, Jen, Lilia and Jen underneath the witches road. We learned that they were safe after, um, being thrown off by Billy. Um, and like.
01:22:37
Speaker
the way that it plays out, until about halfway through the episode, it's not making sense. You're not even really understanding what's happening to Jackie. So disconnected. It's so disconnected, but there are so many things that are, like, she's picking back up where they belong, so they do a super cut where they start pushing things together. So we get the scene from, I think maybe,
01:23:07
Speaker
when they're in the woods and she starts to say, um Alice don't. And then it smash cuts to her with Agatha in the bathroom of the wine trial going, try to save Agatha. And we see those as separate. And like that, I think that was one of the first ones that people put together. Yes, yes. and um But the, I,
01:23:30
Speaker
We really didn't, at the beginning, we didn't like each other, but now I love you guys. Like those two things. those were parts of separate conversations. So like when she says um at the beginning, we really didn't like each other. And I'm pretty sure I mentioned on of the previous episode that I was really interested to hear what she was going to say about vampires because she was talking about a vampire bite on her neck. And she says, um in the beginning, we really didn't like each other. I assumed that was for starting to tell a story about vampires and then getting lost. But in reality, it was a time jump or like a, you know, ah an out of
01:24:08
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out of sync moment with her then in the wine episode where they were all hallucinating or they were all being poisoned, but they assumed her going, I love you guys, was just a hallucination. Drunk talk. yeah exactly yeah It was just her being unnecessarily emotional. A couple of lessons of wine too deep. Yeah.
01:24:30
Speaker
I mean, the pair one was too many in that instance. Exactly. Right. As somebody who drank more white wine last night and had ah like a 40 year old woman's hangover for like two glasses of wine, like I can relate. fun Did your face get all puffy?
01:24:45
Speaker
I just, you know, the tannins. She said, bitch, did it? Did it? No. No. Um, cheekbones. Um, so, you know, Billy says, I wish Lilia was here and then Lilia arrives. We have arguably one of my favorite moments of the series when, uh, um, uh,
01:25:08
Speaker
Patti LuPone grabs um teen by the neck, by his shirt, and she, we are not cool, teenager. And Jennifer goes, damn, calling him by his full name. I don't, that was.
01:25:24
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So, like, she might as well have said it's government. Like, it's incredible. What did that happen? I was like, this is a brown moment. i Yes, that was a brown moment. And I also feel like I was thinking about this when I was stoned in the shower. I was like, well, I feel like ah like the actual line should have been like, damn, pulling out of this government.
01:25:45
Speaker
but it's not his government name we don't know his government name but teenager is the full name of team which is just so fucking funny like it really took me down it was like And it but it's those moments that in this episode that it's so much seriousness that that levity was still in it and like something that I think Catherine Hahn has really added throughout this whole series. So good. And now you see, you know, the Jennifer Cale giving that especially stepping up in this episode in a really great way. Like I love the development like between her and Patti LuPone. I thought it was so good. They had a moment as she said. They did.
01:26:26
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um So one of the other things that I saw someone point out excuse me was um in two of the previous trials. So when they when they run into the chamber doors of the road, Jennifer literally pushes through people to get through the door because the Salem seven are coming. And then after the wine trial, she literally pushes people out of the way to get out through the oven. And when they are leaving later in this episode, she waits and says, I'm not going before you.
01:27:00
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to Lilia and it's like again the power of sisterhood reminds you like it's not about you bitch like really it's it's about everyone so and i'm not gonna let but isn't that what the road is about for sure. I feel like like the power you, it's literally gonna come to this. It's the friends that you made along the way. Yes, it's literally, literally gonna be. The magic is the friends you made along the way. 100% I believe that. I do believe that. i like Because think about the refinement. If someone says that though, I'm boycotting.
01:27:36
Speaker
i'm But think about the refinement they have to go through to get to these through these trials. I mean, they are discovering, rediscovering the magic that they have, the power that they have, and really just unlocking that that's already been there.
01:27:54
Speaker
the Uh, one thing that I was kind of, I'm like interested in and just like, haven't really talked through is like, it also maybe seemed like these were not their trials. Like other than the first one, which was very clearly Jennifer's, but like people were pointing out like.
01:28:12
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Keen is the first one to find the clue. And, like, ah the all the things from Agatha's trial were, like, yeah shit from his room. Like, a bunch of his stuff. The record that breaks in the in Alice's trial is the same record that he was listening to and realized in episode six about The Witches Road.
01:28:40
Speaker
and there was something else in the the wine mom episode that I don't remember but like there's like obviously each of those witches has played a role but like it has been billy all along like the that we have a reality working from which yes which is one of the notes that I made when Lilia is doing um his tarot, so Lilia and Jennifer get into the the room with Agatha and Billy, they start this trial, and she's like, this is my shit. I am a divination witch, here we go. um And she pulls the first card for him as the traveler, and it's crap. something i I should probably remember what it was. Don't recall. Isn't it like the magician? It's the my magician, AKA the witch.
01:29:36
Speaker
So, and then the second card is the son, which he is looking for. He is looking for Wanda's other son. And then, um you know, through a series of events, she realizes it's not him that she's pulling for. But one of the words that she says when he, when she's reading for him, for the sun, she says, you are capable of making your dreams a reality. And like, that's literally, Wiccan is literally a reality worker. Well, and isn't, he's literally the result of Wanda's dreams becoming reality. He is a dream made reality himself.
01:30:15
Speaker
Yes, very bad, very bad. Oh my God, episode seven. So we also find out, and Shauna, you already touched on this, Rio being the personification of death, the original green witch. The original green witch. That was the, I mean, so.
01:30:35
Speaker
We tried to be like coy about it in a previous episode. It was spoiled for a lot of people that Billy is Wiccan or sorry, teen was Wiccan and that was death because of those Funko pops.
01:30:48
Speaker
That's, I was like two stone and couldn't articulate like, I don't know if this is technically a spoiler, but like, I know that, I mean, I don't know how many people listen to this podcast, but like, I know that there are some people that didn't have that Funko pop in their algorithm, but also like, I guess if you're not primed to think about her as deaf, like it's been right there all along. Like when she popped up and said the green witch, I was like, oh, she's deaf.
01:31:15
Speaker
It was the way she came up from like a zombie earth. Yes. She said, you know, I came up. She's she's she's from hell.
01:31:27
Speaker
Um, so when we finally see her as death, it's when, again, the episode is happening out of sync and, um, Patty and Jennifer fall through, we find out that they fall through the road. One of the things that bothered me is that, uh, Lillia said the Scarlet Witch's son telepathically kicked us off the road.
01:31:51
Speaker
That was telekinetically, telekinetically kicked us off. Excuse me. I don't have glasses to push up, but technically, um, that was probably telekinesis. Unless you want to use the answer that, um, he did use telepathy to control their minds, to throw, uh, agatha off the road. So telepathy might have been involved, but it was really more aligned with his telekinetic ability. and really we more you said energy I mean it was really an energy blast that kicked them off the road I mean I would know it was tokenist tokenistas he didn't nothing hit them he he went
01:32:32
Speaker
Yeah, and you saw the telekinetic woo-woo, the telekinetic wigglywoos, as they called it in WandaVision. But can we talk about the hand, like, gestures? The finger placement, how Wiccans is so close to Wanda's. Yeah, and he said, Joe Locke said he studied it. Oh, that makes sense. It's intentional. That makes sense. I love that. Okay. So...
01:33:01
Speaker
We have Lilia realize that she is the person she's supposed to be pulling for. And what a realization. She is the traveler. Like she is the one that is actually traveling through all of these times.
01:33:17
Speaker
didn't Isn't that what the old lady referred to her as too, if I'm not mistaken? Correct. You're traveling. You're traveling. Oh, you're visiting is what she says. Oh, yeah, yeah, okay. The first time we flash back, she says, oh, you're visiting. Yeah. um So when she's pulling for her, she has this incredible, like she
01:33:40
Speaker
recalls through the actual show, they show you the clips of her randomly spouting off the tarot cards, and that's how we look she pulls the spread. So every random card that she shouted in the entire show was a card in her tarot spread. She was reading her fucking tarot out of sequence, out of time,
01:34:08
Speaker
incredible so incredible beautiful and then she successfully completes the trial but to back up a little they're still running from the Salem seven exactly holes which I'm like where's that subway there was like a subway let out Yeah, I'm curious if that was. To like lead them back to reality. Yeah. Like right like you can and go. thought I wasn't expecting that. Billy got where he needed to get so y'all can beat it. Honestly though, like y'all are inconsequential now you can go. Yeah. Or you can or you can continue down the road. But like says that does not give me a lot of confidence for what's going to happen to Jennifer Kale next week. Look, total each of the trials somebody dies.
01:34:54
Speaker
I've accepted it. Each of them ah will likely die. true yeah a while i mean We'll talk about theories in a minute, but there's no way they're not all coming back. Oh, absolutely. I would hope. I think they have to.
01:35:10
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so Go ahead, actor. Sorry. Well, I also we didn't we and I do not want to not mention the outfits with Miss Patti LuPone as Glinda and Sashir Zameta as the Evil Queen looking busted. That was so funny. Like when you're when you're talking about the moment of of ah her saying, oh you know, um Damn, his full name. Full name. Yeah. It was like, um, you're also got this war and just. Right.
01:35:46
Speaker
so bused Iconic. Iconic. So, Lilia realizes that, I mean, I don't understand how she, I don't understand how she knew that she would be able to kill this five of the Salem seven, but- Did she? Did she kill them though?
01:36:12
Speaker
Well, right I saw five bodies dropped. We saw that we didn't see all seven means that there's probably going to be a they're going to come back as is a final conflict with right Rio slash death. But the fucking imagery. So, so, so incredible.
01:36:35
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as someone who has learned tarot and who is intimately familiar with how the tower reversed versus the tower. The tower, when I'm reading, the tower is worse than death because you have this burning structure literally crumbling and everything is falling apart.
01:36:59
Speaker
And to have about the tower reversed being the card that she's reading yelp is such a ah positive omen, like such a great thing, but to just pick up that card and to flip it and the entire structure flip over, incredible. That was so cool. I was like, oh my God.
01:37:27
Speaker
when um there's ah the moment when she's ushering them all out and she says to Agatha, when she calls you a coward, hit the deck or hit the floor, then she gives Teen his spell book back. and Which he'll need, of course. Of course. um And then she and Jennifer kind of say goodbye to each other. and That moment.
01:37:53
Speaker
the the word she says before she closes the Iron Maiden, she says, I loved being a witch. Oh, incredible, beautiful. It very much so reminds me of that quote that is like, um in every lifetime I would choose to be queer. In every lifetime, I would i like and i would be gayer every lifetime if I could. I would come out sooner. I would know myself sooner. In every lifetime I would be queer.
01:38:20
Speaker
And that felt very, like that, they that did really make me cry just because I'm right about to cry now. Yeah. But that moment, I was like, oh, fuck, that is so beautiful. So um how do you look home? I was going to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. What what pissed about what?
01:38:40
Speaker
i I didn't feel the need for that. You could have just closed the doors and kept running, bitch. Why you gotta kill yourself? Because no she suck that's why i'm supposed to die like right right she knows that's the thing. She knew that it was coming to an end because all of those moments were getting closer and she was closing gaps. She's like, I know that it's the end.
01:39:02
Speaker
which also saw She literally saw death. We didn't get the whole interaction between her and death. So right so we did not get the interaction between um ah Mrs. Hart and death. We did not get the interaction between Alice and death. We did not get the interaction between Patty and death. Interesting.
01:39:28
Speaker
So I think... And Rio disappeared the moment that... That's what I'm saying. Like we didn't... We just saw her say, don't you remember me? And then she realized... I bet we got those moments this upcoming next episode. I think that is a prediction. Same. Because I think these next couple of episodes... um So to wrap... the Last two.
01:39:48
Speaker
Yeah, season, the episode seven, we lose Patti LuPone. We never see her body fall, um just like we never saw Alice's body. Just that moment. Like it's gorgeous, cinematically, but we see five of the Salem seven hit the ground um and ah skewered by those swords, skewered by the swords because for real swords, by the way, that were dropping. I thought that was a neat detail. Practical effects committed. I love the practical effects in the show. I think it's a really neat. It's such a better. It must be. Restated. Yeah. and yeah
01:40:25
Speaker
So um getting into the future, um I think that you know we're going to get flashbacks the next couple of episodes. We're going to see ah Agatha and Rio's relationship. I think we're going to see how that way Rio... Oh, by the way, Rio's theme the and that like plays in the background when you see her for the first time is death. Incredible.
01:40:51
Speaker
um But I think we're going to see what her process is of collecting the dead. And so that, I think, is where we'll get the resolution for what happened to those characters. And I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure she's specifically the witches, like the the reaper for witches. Well, from other things that I saw. I don't know. Yeah, maybe. Could be. like that's I have no reason not to believe that. um What are other predictions?
01:41:18
Speaker
We kind of talked about it a little, but I think that they will all, everyone who is departed will be back in appearance and there will be a big musical number with them all together again. Lorna is going to be there hand in hand with Alice. oh la ah should be I think they are going to see each other at the end of the road in their at the same destination of their journey. Because that the repeat in the song, I'll see you at the end. like There's no way that's not a prediction.
01:41:51
Speaker
I was thinking that earlier when I was listening to it. And I thought it would be because they were going, she was going to make it alive, but I think it's actually because they're dead and they are reunited in the afterlife. And maybe it's even that death is not all that bad and there's something maybe, you know, maybe there's some sort of- Yeah, death might not be evil. I don't think death is evil. It doesn't seem like she is, per se, even though there's clearly been orchestrating- She's kind of fucked up. Oh, yeah, she's been- Aubrey Plaza. Aubrey fucking Plaza.
01:42:20
Speaker
That which is cackle as she riding that broom. I want that as my rating for that. Like she's really waiting for that moment her whole life. Oh, my God. I so go home. Go on. Other other first predictions. You also think.
01:42:40
Speaker
The teen embraces his dual identity, and I think he realizes the question isn't, am I Billy or am I William? It is that he is Billy and William, and that you can't separate the two. was bisexual But I think the, well, right, maybe, actually, we'll see, depending on what ah Eddie slash Teddy shapeshifts. Like I think wherever his gender fluctuation may lie, I think might depend. Like he's, if you're dating a shapeshifter, you've got to be prepared for anything. hello big of past yeah And I mean anything. is Anything. anyway so um So yeah, and also I think lastly, I think the way in which what Billy does at the end, I think he remakes the Darkhold and I don't think it comes back with Wanda.
01:43:27
Speaker
And nor Agatha, but I do think it gets made. And that is where you might see. Wait for it. Mephisto Mephisto. It doesn't have to be Mephisto, but I think there's still going to be something that will lead to the Darkhold gets remade. So that the Scarlet Witch does not die. And she is then reborn. And it's. You know, yes, I think I think we're going to see her until.
01:43:56
Speaker
I don't think we're gonna see her until like doomsday. Yeah. She will not make an appearance in this show. They did not pay for Elizabeth Olsen. No, 100%. That's my- They have to pay for Patti LuPone. That's the priority.
01:44:10
Speaker
so so i Well, i'm I'm struggling with the idea of whether or not the road is entirely a construct of Wiccans.
01:44:23
Speaker
the When the spell is cast, he is the first one to walk in. And I think, I mean, Ryan, you said it like how those trials were kind of designed with him in mind. I do think that him being the initial person to walk in very likely set the groundwork for the spell in that his presence has driven. I think there's something to that. I don't think it's yes, it's his construct. Right. But I don't think so. It is ultimately. But I do think that you're on to something there that I had not realized with him walking through that it is in turn to him. Yeah. Also, so there are a number of scenes from the mid season trailer that we have not seen yet.
01:45:14
Speaker
um One of them is Billy sitting on the ground and like there's ah like on a floor and there's a bunch of floorboards shaking and there's a bunch of blue magic underneath it.
01:45:26
Speaker
I think that the reason that the road did not open because was because Billy was not chanting. And then he starts to chant and gets, that's when the door opens. And if we recall, the door to the road opening was blue. It was lined with like, you know, blue fluorescent rocks. But like the magic that was there when it opened was blue.
01:45:52
Speaker
and To deny the idea that Billy is not part of the coven, which they, they tried to like perpetuate that the whole way through, but there's no, we no there's no way to, to say that he's not really part of his presence was still integral needing someone who did not partake of the cup to rack. He'll be there. Like if it he was still involved, even if he wasn't in the coven from the gut girl. Yeah.
01:46:21
Speaker
So last question before we close out. um One of the people, one of the questions from the internet is which which is most fuckable, which is essentially our closing question. um Who is the hottest witch in Agatha? And who do you think is the hottest witch of all time? Shit. Need your response. Who's the hottest in Agatha? It's absolutely Rio Vidal. Yeah, it is 1000%. I would.
01:46:50
Speaker
immediately opened my whole phone for her. yeah Like, um, and I think we, me and Sean already answered this unless yours has changed, Sean, but who's the hottest, which are no answers.
01:47:04
Speaker
I think I said prove how specifically it's a good thing and I said hiking Margo. High King Margot, right? Oh, oh, that's cool. I like that answer. Oh, my God. God, she's such a hot bitch. High King Margot. That's a good, good, good, good choice. The hottest witch of all time. I mean, it's immediately going to be a woman. yeah i I think of all of the witches that have influenced my life.
01:47:35
Speaker
Because there's you don't answer this question. Oh god. Wait, you're gonna have to cut all of this thought. Well, I'm gonna have to cut Ryan ringing the doorbell because he's gonna be at my house any second. Okay. Patty Lapone. No, the hottest witch of all time is I'm I want to say from the craft. Hmm.
01:48:02
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but it's mostly because, God, now I can't think of her name. I mean, see Rachel Bonnie, Sarah. No, the first one. Nancy, first of all. Nancy, God, Nancy. Nancy, and I think it's specifically because of the scene where she changes her, does the illusion magic and changes into Sarah. Oh, no, that's Sarah. But it's not about who looks, it's her attitude.
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It's it's the seduction. It's the conniving, like just darkness of it. I just think it's very sexy. Well, I I think the sexiest moment in the craft is when Bonnie takes her jacket off when she's walking in and shows that shoulders bit getdoors get into Get into it. Sorry. My manicure ran late. All right. Anyways, put those arms away.
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